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Great, I find this out after I buy a time share on Mars.
Solar Wind Rips Up Martian Atmosphere
ScienceDaily (Nov. 23, 2008) — Researchers have found new evidence that the atmosphere of Mars is being stripped away by solar wind. It’s not a gently continuous erosion, but rather a ripping process in which chunks of Martian air detach themselves from the planet and tumble into deep space. This surprising mechanism could help solve a longstanding mystery about the Red Planet.
“It helps explain why Mars has so little air,” says David Brain of UC Berkeley, who presented the findings at the 2008 Huntsville Plasma Workshop on October 27th.
Billions of years ago, Mars had a lot more air than it does today. (Note: Martian “air” is primarily carbon dioxide, not the nitrogen-oxygen mix we breathe on Earth.) Ancient martian lake-beds and river channels tell the tale of a planet covered by abundant water and wrapped in an atmosphere thick enough to prevent that water from evaporating into space.
More science at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081123142222.htm
LOL well I will find I have more time this week than usual as for once again in less then a month the plant has had a week long shut-down due to slow sales and lack of commitments. After dealing with repeated attempts at contacting the unemployment office. I think maybe the real growth industry in this country is the processing unemployment claims.
Become a nurse, Dog…we’re always swamped and I rarely get a day off. The one thing we can count on in this country is that no matter how poor we become, people will stay fat, sedenary, and continue to smoke…all job security for me! Of course I’d rather see people slim down, exercise, and quit smoking…maybe I’d have more time off.
When Science Points To God
by Dinesh D’Souza
http://townhall.com/columnists/DineshDSouza/2008/11/24/when_science_points_to_god
“No wonder atheists are sporting billboards asking us to “imagine…no religion.” When science, far from disproving God, seems to be pointing with ever-greater precision toward transcendence, imagination and wishful thinking seem all that is left for the atheists to count on.”
Travelling through Oklahoma met a waitress named Eurea. 35 years old, happy as a lark, and no one had ever told her her name meant piss. Gawd, I love it.
Hey all you socialist (Marxist) Obama lovers….look, Obama just took a turn to the right with taxes. Shows that even the Dims know that raising taxes is bad for the economy.
What a bunch of liars leading up to the election.
“Democratic officials made clear on Sunday that the cost of Barack Obama’s economic rescue plan would run into hundreds of billions of dollars and hinted he was prepared to hold off introducing new taxes for his first two years as president.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/43832dfe-b992-11dd-99dc-0000779fd18c.html
now that you have had your 5th grade snicker, beber, get over your immaturity long enough to realize you are wrong–as usual.
the spelling of the woman’s name does not mean urine. Nor does the actual spelling of urea mean urine. Urea is an organic compound with the chemical formula (NH2)2CO that is found in urine, but does not ‘mean’ urine.
you are hopelessly juvenile, aren’t you?
Urine, taxes, atheists, nurses’ time-off, and Mars.
Read all about it, right here.
What else could one ask for? Huh?
Where is this additional $700 billion going to come from?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/23/AR2008112302064.html?hpid=topnews
This Czech super model explains her less than divine beginings to the Price family:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/22/karolina-kurkovas-missing_n_145684.html
Hank Price said to be in tears…
And a good morning to you Craptor.
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/nvp/consistent/indivisible.html
An article by Nat Hentoff Presented at AUL Forum, 19 October 1986, Chicago.
Every atheist should be pro-life because life’s all we have.
On the other hand, one does have to wonder if someone/thing that beautiful could have happened by chance alone? Some of us get our faith from the strangest places…
beber…your lack of maturity continues to show, doesn’t it? Most people made fun of names..prior to beginning 3rd grade. You persist in that childish habit here. Does that make you feel ‘clever’?
Let’s see, First announcement from ZERO after the election (reaching out to the pro-life folks) that through executive order he will change the abortion rules to increase abortions and promote stem cell research from the aborted babies. Then he loads up his white house staff and state department with Clintonista’s. Throws out several trial ballons and then announces his choice for a few cabinet positions. Appoints some of the most rabid partisans such as Begala, Immanuel, and Dashle to his team. Disappears on the economy for the fist 2 weeks and now is heralded by the Main Stream media that he has finally got aroung to thinking about the economy and the financial well being of the country. Oh yeah, they’re doing a poll to see what kind of dog the little girls should get for the White House. What a gutsy guy.
How is that CHANGE thingy working out for all of you 0bmanics?
Purple chickens — check your inboxes.
Extra, Extra, Extra – Dog shoots man!!!
Oregon Man Shot by Dog During Hunting Trip Sunday, November 23, 2008
PORTLAND, Ore. — Henry Marcum has nothing but kind words for the dog that shot his 23-year-old son this weekend.
Marcum says his son, Matthew, was standing in Tillamook Bay at the start of duck-hunting trip when his dog jumped into the boat, setting off a 12-gauge shotgun.
The blast blew a hole in the aluminum boat before hitting Marcum, who is recovering from injuries to his legs and buttocks at Portland’s Legacy Emanuel Hospital.
Henry Marcum says he’s not angry with the dog, and neither is his son.
The elder Marcum says the Labrador named Drake is a good dog and the shooting is “just one of those things.”
Bush has succeeded in one thing, limiting the options of his successor!
By letting the tax cuts expire on their own, he’s still raising taxes for the wealthy, according to repub logic, and can push through stimulus the country needs.
AlanB the stem cell thing was a no brainier, if you were finding money left over in your billfold at the end of the day. It still has value even though it is time to go to bed and you will have already paid for everything.
Does it make sense to burn it? No if there is a benefit from the end result of abortion then why not use it.
As is these children’s lives have been ended, at least through their deaths their existence could have meaning if it will cure deadly illnesses. As cold and unfeeling as that sounds, it is no more cold or unfeeling a thought than their ending is to be placed in a furnace and burn to ash.
I have not seen where Obama is expanding abortion, what words is being taken as him doing this?
I would rather he take the time to look at the problems with the economy and come up with a sound action.
So far the only one giving a snap answer is to extend the credit of those companies whom are failing because of them reaching their credit limits through bad practices. Gee that a sound solution huh?
Let hear yours? What would you do to solve these problems?
that through executive order he will change the abortion rules to increase abortions
ROFL Good one, AlanB!
I guess AlanB thinks the prez is all powerful. That could be believed after watching Dubya in office for 8 years.
Let’s improve life on the dead bodies of our children. Sounds like a great idea writerdog.
I wonder how long it will take for Obama to repeal the Bush tax cuts. You know, the tax cuts which have caused the stock market to crash and mortgage defaults to skyrocket?
C’mon Obama! We need more vociferous talk about how evil the Bush tax cuts are and how they are hurting the little guy like Blue Jay.
Deb that is something that has always befuddled me about pro-life and the whole issue of stem cell research.
There is such moral outrage about the using of these embryos for medical research to cure illnesses and genetic abnormalities.
Yet where is that moral outrage about their fate when they are thrown into a furnace like so much garbage and burnt like the unwanted leaves in the yard? Where are those demanding that they be given a decent Christian burial? I have yet to hear a self righteous Congressman or Senator pronouncing on the floor the outrage and demanding a law be pass to give these children a human burial!
“Let’s improve life on the dead bodies of our children“.
And what is your suggestion as to what should be done with them?
If in deed these are the dead bodies of our children than what meaning do they have with the way their bodies end up?
When the pro-lifers stand on their soap boxes and exclaim to the heavens that they are doing the right thing by standing in the way of improving their fellow human being lives.
Yet express barely only single words about what they refer to as human beings ending up burnt like trash and make no move to stop that. Well the word to describe such mix concerns is “Disingenuous”.
The Religious Right’s War on Christmas
http://tinyurl.com/56×2mo
Wow – everybody’s getting fat from the war on drugs.
Mexico suspects ex-drug czar took huge bribes from traffickers
Noe Ramirez Mandujano arrested, suspected of taking $450,000 a month in bribes
About 30 officials arrested in massive operation investigating collusion with cartels
Report: 4,300 dead this year in war between authorities and narcotics traffickers
Drug cartels pay some officials bribes of $150,000 to $450,000 a month
MEXICO CITY, Mexico (CNN) — Mexican authorities have detained the country’s former drug czar on suspicion that he may have accepted $450,000 a month in bribes from drug traffickers, Mexico’s attorney general said Friday.
Latin America: US Plans to Supersize Mexico Drug War Aid — $1.4 Billion Package in Works
from Drug War Chronicle, Issue #504, 10/5/07
Move over, Plan Colombia — here comes Plan Mexico. Tucked into the Pentagon’s massive budget request is at least $1.4 billion in anti-drug aid for Mexico, the Dallas Morning News reported Tuesday. The aid package, which would be spread over two-years according to the report, represents a nearly twenty-fold increase over current anti-drug aid levels, which are estimated at about $40 million this year.
The Religious Right’s War on Christmas
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Ahh, our annual Christmas gift from Bill O’Riley
Thanks, dim bulb. How about skipping me next year?
Thanks,
Dennis
It isn’t necessarily just the use of the human embryos in research WD. Suppose that science finds a cure that only embryonic stem cells can effect. (Unlikely because it is becoming increasingly clear that embryonic stem cells from human embryos are not necessary to effect the promise of stem cell research) But let’s just suppose. Then what? The demand for embryonic stem cells would go through the roof. Are we then talking the chilling prospect of embryo farms? Where embryos are created so that the born can feed upon them?
Writerdog: The unborn should not be aborted, incinerated OR used for stem cell research.
“Yet where is that moral outrage about their fate when they are thrown into a furnace like so much garbage and burnt like the unwanted leaves in the yard?”
Have you never read comments by pro-lifers who have stood outside Tiller’s abortion mill and had the ash of the aborted landing on them? They are sickened, outraged, grieved about the whole situation (woman and child).
Outlander I am not up on the latest count of abortions in America. But the number I heard and it may have been for pure shock value. But it was a million, at least far more than we as a people could care for if allowed to be born.
The prospect of what you mention sounds more out of science fiction then reality though we may reach that point as it does in a cold unemotional aspect makes sense.
But as has been explained to me the reason for the desire to use embryonic stem cells over adult stem cells is that adult stem cells is a one shot deal. where embryonic can be use many times. I do not know other then that the differences but I approach it from the opinion I express in an above post. These embryos are being just burnt and destroyed, if there is a value and something about them that could improve the livings health and well-being. Would it not be better that their end meant something other then a puff of smoke?
Deb I describe myself as begrudgingly Pro-Choice for reasons that are lengthy and logical.
Yes I have read them and yes the mere thought of being covered by the ash does sound sickening.
But I find that different than how stem cell research has been opposed and the burning of the embryos.
Granted that much of what the elected officials is saying is playing to the base and is not something they really care about. The only exception is Brownback I find him genuine in his stance and I do applaud him for standing strong in his beliefs.
When talking about the subject of abortion I do not mince words it is the ending of a human life. Let to nature more often then not a human child is born and a human life is established. But on the subject of stem cell research it is no long a discussion of human life as that life has ended.
Ph what the heck I think I will go put some apps in around.
What type of person is it that can kill a defenses unborn child? I have held many a new born baby. There is no way that I could do any harm to them just because they have not yet exited the birth canal. They still feel pain. Especially horrendous is partial birth abortion. Just how cruel can one be? To me, anyone that can kill an unborn after it has reached the development stage where it can feel pain has to be one sick person. If there is a God there has to be a special place in hell for the late term abortion providers and their staff. Even if I were an atheist, I could not kill a defenseless unborn baby.
Writerdog,
I suppose it all comes down to if you think the unborn child is a human life worth protecting or you don’t.
If you do, then using the remains of an unborn child to experiment on is highly inappropriate and may very well lead to it being profitable for the destruction of the unborn to take place.
Imagine making the argument that we should go ahead and exeriment on the dead bodies of the Jews which Hitler had killed, well, because they were dead.
Could you imagine the outcry? It would almost legitimize or lend a kind of condoning of the actions of Hitler in killing the Jews.
The argument made by those in favor of experimenting on the dead unborn child is just the same. Ignore the circumstances around why the unborn is dead, just let us experiment on them because they are dead.
As I said, if you don’t think the unborn child is a human life worth protecting, then it doesn’t really matter. Just as Hitler and others in his regime didn’t think that the Jews were worth protecting.
Now, I am not equating the unborn child to a Jew during the Holocaust, merely comparing the two situations to provide you an example of how those who believe the unborn child is a human life worth protecting see the situation.
We don’t want to condone the killing of the unborn and legitimize it by saying that it is profitable and ok to experiment on the dead bodies.
sad….
Mary_Caruso
Posted November 24, 2008 at 6:52 am | Permalink
Become a nurse, Dog…we’re always swamped and I rarely get a day off.
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But Mary, I see you here everyday. Sould you not be taking care the sick if you are at work?
Linda & friends….
Some of my favorite lyrics in honor of our mutual friend, who is in need of positive thoughts today:
And she was lying in the grass
And she could hear the highway breathing
And she could see a nearby factory
She’s making sure she is not dreaming
See the lights of a neighbor’s house
Now she’s starting to rise
Take a minute to concentrate
And she opens up her eyes
The world was moving and she was right there with it (and she was)
The world was moving she was floating above it (and she was) and she was
And she was drifting through the backyard
And she was taking off her dress
And she was moving very slowly
Rising up above the earth
Moving into the universe
Drifting this way and that
Not touching ground at all
Up above the yard
Chorus
She was glad about it… no doubt about it
She isn’t sure where she’s gone
No time to think about what to tell them
No time to think about what she’s done
And she was
And she was looking at herself
And things were looking like a movie
She had a pleasant elevation
She’s moving out in all directions
Chorus
Joining the world of missing persons (and she was)
Missing enough to feel alright (and she was)
~Talking Heads
But Mary, I see you here everyday. Sould you not be taking care the sick if you are at work?
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Hey RightAngle,
Mary is a friend and a neighbor. We live in a very unique and rather eclectic community. We have a lot of hard working folks and Mary is one of the hardest working in the neighborhood.
I drive by her house twice a day on my way to take care of the goats, horses and ducks. Usually around 7am and 7pm. Many times Mary is at work at both times. She also works most weekends.
I have a list of various things you can give her crap about, her irrational fear of guns, her ridiulous support of a one payer national health care system, the fact that she insists on having cats as pets instead of dogs and of course the fact that she puts absolutely no thought into her selection of national political candidates . . . typical liberal democrat.
But you can’t give her crap about work. She is a hard worker, good neighbor and a good friend.
the fact that she insists on having cats as pets instead of dogs
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Now that is just unforgivable!!
A plague on your house Mary!!! ;)
Nathan I do not dispute whether a fetus or for that matter a human embryo is human life.
On this we will whole heartily agree partial birth abortion is murder once a child and yes by the third trimester it is a child. At that point the only decision to abort is the hard choice between the life of the mother or the child. Or that the child is so malformed that its life would be a living hell. For any other reason is the wrong decision and to be honest I do not see if the pregnancy has reach that point that the child would survive outside the womb. That anyone would choose to abort for the same reason as within the first trimester.
But this is a different issue than stem cell research and the disposal of the aborted embryo. I can see some would object if the call was to give the embryo a funeral/ burial on the issue of it would than cloud the issue of whether a embryo is a human being. But I would support the move to give the embryo the proper resting place. As I said it is a human being and yes that confuses the claim that I am pro-choice.
My reasons are very complicated and lengthy and I will admit they are unemotional but pure logic.
I have address them before and if anyone wishes to know I will explain them but only if they are truly interested.
As a Marine you are willing to die for your country agreed? But you do not want to die also agreed?
But if the cause is meaningful and your death is in the defense of the country you love. Your death has meaning and the scarifies is not in vain. So to these embryos are being killed for reasons that is in disputed.
But they are being killed and there is little comfort or immediate meaning to it. Their deaths are for the common good though that is hard. But to then deny their deaths having any meaning other then they are for a public good in the long run. And simple burn them as I compared the leaves in the yard is also as wrong and without logic or reason.
Abortion is the symptom and not the illness, it is preventable too but will take a major change in human nature.
WAIT A DARN MINUTE! I like cats too…..
Writerdog, what planet did you come from. You’re comments make absolutely no sense. Try rational logic sometime instead of the ‘emotion’ of the moment.
Alan perhaps that is where we differ, my thoughts are based on logic and reality. That might be why you have such a difficult time understand what I have said.
“RightAngle
Posted November 24, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink
…Even if I were an atheist, I could not kill a defenseless unborn baby.”
If you were an atheist, you would not believe that the fetus was alive until it was born. Thus abortion would not be killing “a defenseless unborn baby” it would be akin to removing a growing lump of cells.
Blogger Friends,
One of our own needs your best and kindest thoughts, your prayers.
avtolle (Vaughn) lost his wife of 36 years last night following a battle with cancer.
Judy Tolle
4-30-1949 — 11-23-2008
Thinking of all of us and wanting to blunt the news that will be in tomorrow’s obituary, Vaughn asked me to put something here.
He is doing about as well as can be expected. Trite expression, but I don’t have better words. He is with his two daughters.
He said he’ll be around as time and circumstances allow.
This is one of those times when we realize most that no man is an island and we really do need one another.
Thank you for sharing that sad news with us linda.
Times like that are always tough, but can be especially so during the holidays.
My thoughts and prayers will certainly be with Vaughn and his family.
My thoughts and prayers are with you VT. I am sorry for your loss. Take care and may your loved ones be with you at this tragic time.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, 61, a radical left-wing pro-abortion extremist, will be the new Secretary of Commerce next year, God help us. Ellen Moran, the executive director of the rabidly pro-abortion Emily’s List, will become the White House communications director.
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The news media practically refused to cover the abortion issue at all during this election campaign, except occasionally to highlight or criticize Republican candidates for being far too pro-life in their statements or voting record. The media almost never asked Obamanation a real question on foreign policy, except on Olympic games once or twice.
Now the only hope against a terrible increase in taxpayer-funded unrestrained profit-driven slaughter in America’s abortion mills, the only hope of saving millions upon millions more babies from mangling, dismembering, poisoning, and beheading, seems to be divine intervention in the stone-cold heart of the unashamedly evil man elected to become President. Obamanation lied through his teeth about acting in any way to reduce the number of abortions, which would cut down abortion mill profits, his favorite cash cow for filling Democrat coffers. His real first-priority agenda seems to be a huge rapid expansion of federal authority, overriding state laws, on domestic issues like socialized medicine and abortion and sodomy.
If God has cursed America, it is with good cause, we may well fear.
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Jessica Mae Betts, 19, was arrested Thursday in connection with the death of her newborn girl found in a Turlock, CA garbage bin on November 8, the tiny body still warm. Betts is charged with first-degree murder. In light of the legal safe infant surrender location a mile and a half from the garbage bin, there would be no reason for leniency in sentencing.
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Berwick, PA police are investigating the abandonment of a newborn girl in a plastic shopping bag left outside a house Saturday morning, covered in blood. Fortunately, emergency treatment was summoned for the infant only a few minutes after the illegal and cruel abandonment, as outdoor temperatures in the teens would have likely soon caused death by exposure without a quick rescue. The girl, whose fingers were blue with cold when rescued, was taken by ambulance to Berwick Hospital and then flown to Geisinger Medical Center near Danville.
Vaughn; No words are adequate in this situation. Know that I am thinking of you and your family and wish everyone the best as you go through this difficult time.
VT,
All I can say is I lost someone who was really dear to me due to cancer. I know something about what you are going through and I know how bad it hurts.
Every Human life is precious. Every individual has the unique capacity to add much joy to the lives of those around them. It is a joy to be loved and it is a joy to love. The more we miss them when they are gone, the more we can look back and be thankful that we were blessed to have had them in our life to begin with.
God bless you.
“If God has cursed America, it is with good cause, we may well fear.” [parkay]
So, it’s OK for parkay to say “God damn America”, but not Rev. Wright?? :roll:
Nothing hurts worse than losing a loved one. My thoughts are with you.
Dennis
Chas – of course! parkay is the “right kind” of ChristIST!
Blessings to Vaughn and all of his family at this most difficult time in their lives.
Thank you all who have posted here. I truly appreciate your thoughts during this time.
vt – Peace be with you and your family …
My prayers and thoughts are with you and you daugheters Vaugh. It is at times like this that we realized that no matter what our differences we all hurt for those who enter our lifes.
Box, the tax cuts probably caused this crisis in the first place. The propped up economy was done by your Bush and Cronies. We’ve been warning you for years this was going to happen. By your assessment, the govt should be soaring right now since Bush’s tax cuts.
bth
Posted November 24, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink
Chas – of course! parkay is the “right kind” of ChristIST!
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Of course, that has to be it!!
Vt, very sorry to hear of your loss.
Beber, (E)Urea is a component of urine, not the urine it self.
“avtolle,” it might be too soon –
But you’ll come around to bask in the absolute joy you were given.
Early last summer I was called upon to give the eulogy for my brother-in-law. And the damnedest thing it wasn’t a sad speech, because there were so many moments of his life that delighted all those who knew him.
Somewhere along the line you get past what you have lost and realize what it was you were given.
I’ve observed couples over the years and the best of them always secretly hope the other one dies first, because they don’t want to be left alone.
That turns out to be one helluva gift.
A gift that will long outlive the loss.
Still, I’m sad for your loss.
But the next thought in my mind is to rejoice in the gifts she gave you.
Beber, sorry I posted the above right after I read your posting about the waitress in Oklahoma. I should have taken the time to read some of the postings after yours.
ah Buddy Vaughn!
Man, wish I would have read this blog earlier. I am truly saddened at your loss and can’t imagine the empty hurting you must be feeling.
My God man, wish I could give a hug and you know I mean what I say and I sincerely do.
Don’t know what else to say, condolences… love ya brother Vaughn…
“Mary_Caruso
Posted November 24, 2008 at 6:52 am | Permalink
Become a nurse, Dog…we’re always swamped and I rarely get a day off.
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But Mary, I see you here everyday. Sould you not be taking care the sick if you are at work?”
giving you guys a hard time is how I wake up in the morning and prepare for my day, it’s sort of taken the place of my morning paper and it’s how I often unwind at the end of the day.
I hope you get back to work soon, too.
Thanks for the nice thoughts, Hank. You are the best neighbor even though you are totally delusional sometimes…can’t wait to try the duck noodles!
Yesterday’s Washington Post Magazine had a feature about a “pro-choice” medical student, Lesley Wojick, deciding whether to become a professional abortionist. Even with Roe v. Wade giving legal protection for “abortion rights,” the number of doctors willing to perform the procedure has been declining. And no wonder. The article describes in graphic terms how the young student was introduced to abortion techniques-beginning with practice abortions on a papaya, a fruit roughly the size and shape of a woman’s uterus. When Wojick observed an actual abortion, “[t]he patient was in obvious pain. Her screams gave Lesley the chills, and she thought she might throw up.” When one woman sought an abortion at 20 weeks, Wojick realized that on her neonatal rotation “she had tried to keep similar-sized babies alive.” In the end, Wojick decides, “Vacuuming out a uterus and counting the parts of the fetus did not seem like a desirable way to spend her work days.” Pro-abortion groups would like to force medical schools to teach abortion and ob-gyn students to learn how to perform them. Fortunately, regulations that will soon be issued by the Bush administration should reinforce the freedom of conscience of medical students and doctors, even the pro-choice ones, like Lesley Wojick, who simply can’t stomach performing abortions.
Additional Resources
Washington Post: A Hard Choice
LET YOUR CONSCIENCE BE YOUR GUIDE
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=PV08I02&f=WA08K48
Here are some quotes from Mr. Jefferson that seem very appropriate to repeat today):
Jefferson in some cases could be called a prophet.
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe. Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world. Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson
In light of the present financial crisis, it’s interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
Oh Thomas Jefferson please come back!
Yes, yes and when a patient is facing death or serious injury by continuing a pregnancy, Lesley can say, “Sorry, I can’thelp you because I skipped those classes, go find a real doctor.”
“go find a real doctor.”
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Interesting viewpoint. As I understand it, a sizable percentage of abortionists couldn’t cut in normal medical fields, so they went a different direction.
I wonder if the hippocratic oath is different for abortionists?
“Yes, yes and when a patient is facing death or serious injury by continuing a pregnancy, Lesley can say, “Sorry, I can’thelp you because I skipped those classes, go find a real doctor.”
Oh please, NOT the drama….how many abortions are medically neccesary to save the life of the mother? Very, very few.
Most doctors go into the profession to save lives, not to destroy them.
My sympathies in your time of loss Vaughn.
When a family member or loved one is ill or in decline for a time, it can be hardest on family and care givers. Make sure to take time for yourself and take care of yourself in the coming days.
Vaughn-
I am so sorry for your loss. If there is anything I can do, please email me at bloggerlittlejohn@yahoo.com
I know urea is a component of urine; however, to be more accurate, I could have written the name meant bird poop, which is almost pure urea. And I don’t really know how the name was spelled. I just heard people using it. I guessed “Eurea” to give the gal a little break. Names like Eulia and Euphonia are not rare (though not common) in cracker country. I figured that’s how it happened. Anyway, what’s next, a black football player named “Keytone?”
How about “dead white corpuscles” No, that’s a band, isn’t it.
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But how many suicides and infancides and abandonments are carried out over an unwanted pregnancy too Mary. Those are pretty fatal for the woman too.
At some point every OBGYN will come across a woman who really does need an abortion, and he/she should know how to perform it. We deal with nasty things all day long, things we don’t want to do. But we do it anyway, because its for the good of the person.
That article also gives me pause. Women don’t have to scream from having an abortion anymore. They’re not done in back alleys, well if you can afford it.
Could it be an anti-choicer created the story?
PolMom,
Mary is wonderful, as you well know by having met her. She is a pro-life activist. There are worse things I could say about some people.
I appreciate your respectful disagreement with her.
Night.
I am sorry for your loss Vaughn.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this time.
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God Bless
I love Mary, but she knows. You don’t have to like the act for it to be the best for the person involved.
Yeah, not the best for the unborn child though.
Vaughn,
I have been where you are and I think I understand what you are going through now. There are no words to make it better so I won’t offer any, except to say that you have friends here on the blog and we all have you in our hearts tonight.
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Boxic,
When a legal abortion is done, the patient is usually given a general anesthetic. Being unconscious, she’s not likely to scream. Medicine has progressed some since 1842, and surgeries are now done with a minimum of pain and hollering. You really ought to research these things before you accept them as gospel.
Boxic do research?? You are kidding, right Jed??
“At some point every OBGYN will come across a woman who really does need an abortion, and he/she should know how to perform it. We deal with nasty things all day long, things we don’t want to do. But we do it anyway, because its for the good of the person.”
No, if the doctor feels that performing an abortion is against his values, he can refer. Most OBGYNs don’t do abortions, they simply refer women to the abortion clinic where Tiller will happily do it. Doctors who believe abortion is taking a life won’t be convinced to do it for the “good of the person”. there are other options available. Me? I’d give up my nursing license before I’d participate in an abortion…thankfully I’d never have to make THAT choice…isn’t that what “pro choice” is all about?
“When a legal abortion is done, the patient is usually given a general anesthetic.”
No, most abortions are done with the patient awake.
“When a legal abortion is done, the patient is usually given a general anesthetic.”—Jed
General anesthesia is an option but it is more rarely given, you uninformed dope. Most are given local anesthesia for first and second trimester death procedures.
The example sited was that medical student’s experience, take it up with her, not me, I wasn’t there and wouldn’t ever be. Do you have trouble comprehending things you read Jed….sure seem so.
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