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This morning our Moon is waning away in a sliver towards a new (no) Moon on Thanksgiving Day four days from now. Then it will be waxing again towards a full Moon a couple weeks later about December 12th. Have a good day.
Isn’t it amazing the Moon is only a little over 200,000 miles from the Earth but unlike the Earth, the Moon has no atmosphere, water, wind nor weather. It’s light is reflected Sun light. Basically a giant rock revolving around the Earth providing so many life giving perks.
I predict that in another twenty years, the Moon will be covered with aerials, dishes, microwave towers, TV towers, electronic equipment from all the countries here on Earth … with a small cadre of scientists and technicians watching over the equipment.
Another Dissenter: Astrophysicist says put IPCC reports `in the trash!’
In the only country still debating whether global warming is man-made, according to SJSU professor Alex Gershenson, another contest to discuss it was held Tuesday night at San Jose’s Rotary Club. The event, put on by The Conservative Forum of Silicon Valley, saw two speakers on each side of the issue go head-to-head for 90 minutes on the validity of global warming and its attribution to the activities of humans.
“No other civilized, developed country is having these kinds of debates, period,” said Gershenson, an environmental studies professor at SJSU. “It is very frustrating. The overall understanding of how science works is very low in this country.”
Four individuals presented a large array of graphs and data to the 500-plus attendees in an attempt to demonstrate the validity of their arguments. The team representing the opinion that global warming is man-made, consisting of SJSU professors Eugene Cordero and Alex Gershenson, weighed their arguments on the consensus of opinion within the scientific community. The latest report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, commissioned by the United Nations, included 2,500 scientific experts from around the globe. “The IPCC report that just came out states that most of the warming is very likely due to human cause greenhouse gases,” Gershenson said.
Despite the scientific prowess of the panel’s reports, the team arguing that global warming is not man-made disregarded its validity. “What I’d do with the IPCC report is to put it in the trash can because that’s all it’s worth,” said Dennis Hollars, who holds a doctorate in astrophysics from New Mexico State University. His brazen pronouncement produced an eruption of laughter among the packed audience. Hollars produced a similar reaction from the crowd when, challenged by Gershenson about the inconsistencies of the data in the graphs he was presenting, he claimed to “not care” which one was accurate. It was hard to tell whether the audience was laughing out of the humor of Hollars’ delivery, or because they disagreed with him.
One of the central arguments of the side arguing that global warming is a natural occurrence was that temperatures were driving the increase in carbon dioxide, rather than the commonly accepted reverse. “CO2 has never led to an increase in temperature, based on historical record,” said Robert Cohen, a certified consulting meteorologist.
This point was countered by Cordero, who cited hundreds of scientific studies that showed that the temperature increase that has occurred over the last 50 years would not be possible without human-produced chemicals.
Hollars, meanwhile, claimed that carbon dioxide was an insignificant component of the earth’s atmosphere and that, rather than being the purveyor of doom it is currently viewed as today, it is needed in order for plants to grow. “Mars’ atmosphere is about 95 percent CO2 and has no global warming,” Hollars said.
Gershenson pointed out that while carbon dioxide may be a very small component of the earth’s atmosphere, it is one of only two components that absorbs and traps heat.
At the culmination of the debate, moderator and SJSU professor Genelle Austin-Lett conducted an informal poll of the audience to gauge its reactions to what they had witnessed. Although few people declared to have had their mind changed by the debate, more people who were unsure about the causes of global warming beforehand said that they believed the causes were man-made.
“I thought that the negative side did a good job in giving us evidence, whereas the other side had a little bit of evidence, but then didn’t really have a lot to follow up on when they were questioned,” said Candice Howsden, a senior communication studies major.
Gershenson said the debate came down to whether you trust the scientists who say that there is a nine out of 10 chance that global warming is man-made. “If I have a child and I have 10 doctors see that child,” Gershenson said, borrowing from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s rationale for supporting California’s California climate change legislation, “and nine of the doctors that see my child say that the child is sick and one says well, maybe not, I’m going to go with the nine.” [Wouldn't it be better to discuss the evidence for the various verdicts? Incorrect diagnoses are common]
Hank knows scientific credibility, he believes in a Earth that’s 6,000 years old.
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Maggotpunk
Posted November 23, 2008 at 7:06 am | Permalink
Hank knows scientific credibility, he believes in a Earth that’s 6,000 years old.
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Come on Maggotpunk!
I’ve allowed that it might even be 8 or even 10,000 years old.
It would be interesting to know exactly what creds you have, if any.
nitwit
Oh come on, Hank…you’re just being so silly! If you really believe the earth is only 10,000 years old, then why aren’t you using dinosaurs to herd your goats?
BTW, have you had “the talk” yet?
I went to the gun show at the Coliseum yesterday. It was about half the size it usually is with twice as many people. We got there about an hour after it opened and had to stand in line for about 20 minutes. We heard a lot of talk while standing in line. The large majority of people were Republicans and listening to them talk was like stepping into some weird alternate universe. Republicans are convinced that Obama is going to take away their guns. A couple of guys behind us were talking about spending several thousands of dollars to stockpile AR-15 and AK 47 ammo.
Gun sales seemed to be pretty brisk. Lots of people talking about stocking up before Obama gets a chance to outlaw guns. I heard a number of people say that there probably wouldn’t be any gun shows next year because Obama is going to outlaw them.
I’m just amazed at how stupid some people can be.
I added another pistol to my collection. Prices on so called assault weapons were through the roof. I saw AK 47s for over $700. Mini-14s were just unbelievable.
Hank belives the earth is 8 to 10,000 years old and Maggotpunk belives it all happened by a roll of the dice? Which one is the most credulous?
That the universe is over 13 billion years old, and is so incredibly complicated, shows just how intelligent God is. The the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and has gone through so many changes (asteroid strikes, covered with ice, continental drift, incredible species diversity), just confirms Gods’ hand in all this.
Being a believer in Theistic Evolution in no way denies God, but allows for evolution as a way to celebrate God’s wisdom. It also allows for the fact this planet is 4.5 billion years old, as scientific research has shown.
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RightAngle
Posted November 23, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink
Hank belives the earth is 8 to 10,000 years old and Maggotpunk belives it all happened by a roll of the dice? Which one is the most credulous?
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Neither.
Evolution theory is for people who need trainer wheels on their faith.
JMWalker
Posted November 23, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink
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RightAngle
Posted November 23, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink
Hank belives the earth is 8 to 10,000 years old and Maggotpunk belives it all happened by a roll of the dice? Which one is the most credulous?
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Neither.
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credulous = gullible, naïve
therefore you belive both hank and Maggotpunk are correct and that the earth is only 8 - 10,000 years old and that it was created by a roll of the dice.
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RightAngle
Posted November 23, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink-
credulous = gullible, naïve
therefore you belive both hank and Maggotpunk are correct and that the earth is only 8 - 10,000 years old and that it was created by a roll of the dice.
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Is that comment supposed to be some ironic statement? Feel free to read my earlier post, if you’re capable of reading it, and you will find what my belief is. Otherwise, feel free to keep your ridiculous attempts at logic to yourself.
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Regular
Posted November 23, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink
Evolution theory is for people who need trainer wheels on their faith.
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Creationism is for people who can’t, or wont, attempt to understand science, and the role it plays in God and the universe. Evolution and God are in no way mutually exclusive.
The City of Wichita reminds consumers to focus on food safety guidelines, especially during the holidays.
Holiday celebrations typically include large numbers of people gathering together and sharing a variety of foods and large, home cooked meals. It is especially important to follow guidelines for preparing and cooking potentially hazardous foods, as well as cooling and reheating leftovers.
Potentially hazardous foods include meats, poultry, fish and seafood, dairy products, cooked vegetables, cooked rice, beans, potatoes, and pasta, tofu, raw seed sprouts, cut melons, and garlic in oil. Care needs to be taken when handling these foods in order to prevent food borne illness (FBI).
The following information is provided to help provide safe holiday meals:
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Obtain USDA inspected turkey and other meats from a reliable source.
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Thaw the turkey ahead of time on the bottom shelf of the refrigerator. This takes longer, but is the safest method to prevent bacterial growth.
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Keep uncooked turkey and parts separate from other foods.
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Cook all poultry, including turkey, and any stuffed meats to at least 165oF throughout.
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Cook all other whole muscle meats to at least 145oF throughout.
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Cook ground beef or pork to at least 155oF
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Thoroughly wash and rinse all surfaces the uncooked turkey comes in contact with immediately following preparation. Sanitize these surfaces with a solution of bleach and water.
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Do not use the same knife and utensils used to prepare the uncooked turkey with on other food items without first washing, rinsing, and sanitizing with a bleach and water.
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Always wash your hands thoroughly with plenty of soap and hot water before touching food and immediately after touching any raw meats.
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Always wash your hands thoroughly with plenty of soap and hot water after using the bathroom.
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Cool leftovers as quickly as possible to 41oF or colder within six hours after initial serving. Place leftover food in shallow pans and use ice to speed up cooling. Make sure your refrigerator is set properly to hold foods at 41o or less.
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All leftovers should be reheated to at least 165oF in less than two hours before re-serving.
For additional information, please call the City of Wichita Department of Environmental Services at 268-8351 or visit http://www.ksda.gov/food_safety.
I started my Christmas shopping last week when I found a good-sized Trilobite fossil my son will enjoy.
“Trilobites share with many other invertebrates in the drama of the “Cambrian explosion”: the rapid evolution of amazingly sophisticated and diverse life forms at the beginning of the Cambrian period, some 570 million years ago.”
Holding the petrified remains of this life form that became extinct around 230 million years ago, studying the book I bought to complement the fossil and thinking about their role in early life on our planet is fascinating!
“Maggotpunk believes it all happened by a roll of the dice?”
RightAngle, actually I think Maggotpunk may have a point. When I look just at him and a few others around WE Blog I can truly believe they simply evolved from Pond Scum.
lindainks55
Posted November 23, 2008 at 9:41 am | Permalink
I started my Christmas shopping last week when I found a good-sized Trilobite fossil my son will enjoy.
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Curious secular celebration of Christ’s birth I might add. :)
Perhaps a few ancient stone carvings of some idols will add to the antithesis of the occasion. :)
JMWalker, do you know the definition of “credulous”? Your answers do not agree with each other. By saying “neither” you are implying that both Hank and Maggotpunk are correct. I don’t think that is what you believe.
Even the Lib News Media has to cut back. NBC purchased Weather Channel and like any buy out reduce jobs. Not sorry to see the Greenie part go however.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2008/11/nbc_fires_twc_environmental_un.html
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Boxlock20
Posted November 23, 2008 at 9:45 am | Permalink
“Maggotpunk believes it all happened by a roll of the dice?”
RightAngle, actually I think Maggotpunk may have a point. When I look just at him and a few others around WE Blog I can truly believe they simply evolved from Pond Scum.
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If that’s the case, being as we all come from the same genetic line, that would make us all descendants of pond scum. Which may be closer to the truth than any of the creationists are willing to believe.
As for RA’s ridiculous assertions, he should try exploring logic instead of spouting nonesense.
More greenie news for the emission freaks. Obama special car is a monster gas guzzler. Just think of all the cost of the emission legislation coming our way. I wish I could put a zipper on my pocketbook to protect it from all the so-called green politicans who do not do what they say.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5213322.ece
Have a nice day, Mr. Walker.
“george” tries –
“…Obama special car is a monster gas guzzler.”
Yeah, and he personally ordered that limo.
C’mon, “george.”
You’re not even trying anymore.
Evolution vs Creation.
Another perfectly good open thread shot to hell.
Now all we need is for the boy to come preach to us.
Hank posted November 23, 2008 at 6:51 am
One of the central arguments of the side arguing that global warming is a natural occurrence was that temperatures were driving the increase in carbon dioxide, rather than the commonly accepted reverse. “CO2 has never led to an increase in temperature, based on historical record,” said Robert Cohen, a certified consulting meteorologist.
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Hank’s “certified consulting meteorologist” does not understand that in the past, CO2 amplified the warming that was triggered by other factors.
This time, humans have caused CO2 to rise, which is triggering warming directly.
‘CO2 lags temperature - what does it mean?’
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
“Does temperature rise cause CO2 rise or the other way around? A common misconception is that you can only have one or the other. In actuality, the answer is both.”
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/03/co2_warming_and_causality.php
z, in comments:
“CO2 is not causing global warming, in fact, CO2 is lagging temperature change in all reliable datasets. ”
See also my forthcoming paper: “Chickens do not lay eggs, because they have been observed to hatch from them”.
JMWalker,
I know where I came from and where I’m going.
I wouldn’t begin to speculate about you, but if I were I’d be really nervous about the future.
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Boxlock20
Posted November 23, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink
JMWalker,
I know where I came from and where I’m going.
I wouldn’t begin to speculate about you, but if I were I’d be really nervous about the future.
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Is that a threat, boy?
I believe that giant space ants gathered all the junk from the universe and dumped it on what is now called earth. All that stuff from otherworld planets and species created us.
Why not?
The bible is a book written by humans. Edited by humans repeatedly. You’d think that God could find a better way. Like some glowing speakerphone in the middle of the desert that has been around for a billion years.
Why would any loving god create a whole mess of people who would fight one another over a few books and determine that if you do xyz, then you’ll go to hell- another creation of humans.
None of it makes sense.
Poor Republicans. Clinging to their false gods and soon to be confiscated guns.
Sucks to lose and have a party that worships the Goddless Palin.
Sucks to have nowhere to turn except on themselves.
Sucks to be Republican.
A threat from CHICKENman bawksalot?
He’ll pee his pants again like he did with BlueJay.
A yellow striped coward, Bawksalot will never be a man.
I believe I have the “final solution” for all the arguments on this site. A simple and easy scoring solution similar to a method published in the Journal of Irreproducible Results. This scoring system allows for differences in opinion while conferring points based on a prescribed set of criteria. The author with the highest point score wins any and all arguments. I suggest the following categories:
1. Gun Ownership: Points will be given in four categories - shotguns, rifles, black powder, and handguns. Extra points if your a member of the NRA. Points will also be given if your are vegan, don’t know the terms “muzzle” and “breech” or refused to purchase toy guns for your children. Ownership of cross bows, traps, Bowie knives, martial arts equipment, and brass knuckles count only in a tie-breaker.
2. Best iconic vehicle: Entry requirement is a full-size truck or Hybrid. Points will be given for political bumper stickers; extra points if you have “Abortion Kills” or “I Brake for Animals” stickers. Bonus points if you have a confederate flag or Green Peace plate.
3. Civic activities: Points for fundamentalist church affiliation or Sierra club membership. Extra points if you’ve taken your kids to an anti-abortion rally or if you are on any of the Federal government “watch” lists. Bonus points if you have a bunker (member of Posse Comitatus will suffice)or have experience chaining yourself to the gate of a nuclear facility.
Other considerations:
How much beer you can drink without urinating
Paint-ball duel
Demolition derby for two (”pas-de-deux)
This is still a work in progress and I am open to other considerations.
So begins the arguments about what the rules for the arguments will be… ;-)
There is only ONE rule:
There are NO rules.
I have three rules. I have personal expectations that I will follow them, but try to never expect others to follow my personal rules.
1. Control my desire to respond; there is never a need for a rebuttal.
2. Remember every opinion is as good and as useless as the next.
3. Recognize a pissing contest as quickly as possible and get out.
The Republican bloggers here are going to get a very BIG break from Obama:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President-elect Barack Obama may consider delaying a campaign promise - to roll back tax cuts on high-income Americans - as part of his economic recovery strategy, two aides said on Sunday.
All right!
‘Putting Global Warming Laggards on Trial‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/putting-global-warming-laggards-trial
The large majority of people were Republicans and listening to them talk was like stepping into some weird alternate universe. Republicans are convinced that Obama is going to take away their guns.
The mass hysteria of some people, in this case the Republican gun owners, reminds me of the people of Salem, Massachusettes, who believed a handful of young girls and murdered 19 people because of it.
“She’s a witch!”=”He’ll take our guns!”
A couple of guys behind us were talking about spending several thousands of dollars to stockpile AR-15 and AK 47 ammo.
I hope they can teach their families how to eat those guns…
Why is Climate Change divided between Left/Right, and CONservative/Liberal??
Why do CONservatives fight so hard against Conservationists??
And the really BIG question:
Why are there Interstate Highways in Hawaii??
Where were all the CCH folks?
Why was the soldier scared?
TUKWILA, Wash. – Police on Sunday were searching for a gunman who opened fire in a packed Seattle-area shopping mall, killing one man and critically injuring another, before apparently slipping away in a crowd of panicked shoppers.
The Southcenter Mall in Tukwila was jammed with thousands of pre-Thanksgiving Day shoppers when the gunman fired multiple shots after apparently getting into an altercation with the two victims, police said. One victim died at a hospital and a second was in critical condition Saturday night.
Chauncey Williams, a soldier from Fort Lewis, said he witnessed the shooting. He said he was coming out a store when he saw two men arguing and then saw one pull out a gun and start firing.
“I’ve got the heebie jeebies,” Williams told The Seattle Times. “It’s like I’m back in Iraq or something.”
WASHINGTON – When the Bush presidency ends, opponents of embryonic stem cell research will face a new political reality that many feel powerless to stop.
President-elect Barack Obama is expected to lift restrictions on federal money for such research. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., also has expressed interest in going ahead with legislation in the first 100 days of the new Congress if it still is necessary to set up a regulatory framework.
“We may lose it, but we’re going to continually fight it and offer the ethical alternative,” said Rep. Joe Pitts, R-Pa. “I don’t know what the votes will be in the new Congress … but it’s very possible we could lose this thing.”
“We may lose it, but we’re going to continually fight it and offer the ethical alternative,” said Rep. Joe Pitts, R-Pa.
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Because saving a blastocyst from research so it can be thrown away and incinerated as medical waste makes so much sense!
/sarcasm
Do they have a brain cell? Is it busy reminding them to stand upright?
Minnesota Senate Recount
11/22 10:30 PM: 68% in. Coleman leads by 180 votes
Go Al Go!!!
Christmas should be FUN this year… With money being so tight, maybe people will celebrate the holiday the way it’s supposed to be celebrated….
Share the love, people!!
Minnesota Senate Recount link:
http://ww2.startribune.com/news/metro/elections/returns/2008/recount/msenco.html
Based on what’s left to count (many Democratic strongholds) and the challenges, Franklen should be the winner.
About time somebody like Franken should be elected… I mean, the guy from Love Boat got elected from Iowa…. Sonny Bono got elected from CA…. Reagan got elected from CA…. Why not a commedian from MN???
Christmas is not the celebration of Christs’ birth.That would have been in the Springtime when the taxes were collected. Our present December 25th is a usurpation by the “Universal Church” of the Roman/pagan “Feast of Sol Invictus” and the Winter Solstice. Christmas, like any other dumb holiday in this country is nothing more than a friggin’ shopping spree, a price tag, a consumer’s wet dream. It does nothing to honor The Christ, but you can always go get your collective feel-good, pat-on-the-back at your church. In that way, you all can feel good and believe together, that you are all good Christian’s and not just good consumer’s.
But in no way is December 25th anything more that a pagan holiday. I just thought that you might like to know.
Google Sol Invictus.
Google Saturnalia.
Google Zeitgeist.
Easter=Ishtar (Goddess of Fertility aka Venus, symbols, the egg and rabbit).
All ya’ll “Christians” we’re suckered. And need to seek truth a little deeper than you have thus far.
Stuff it Pleefer!!
The DATE isnt important…
Cons after their getting pasted in the election: :I know there is much to learn from each other if we can make a truce. We can find a way to Co-exist. can there be a peace between us?
How Dems should respond:Peace? NO PEACE!
Cons: What is it you want us to do?
Dems: Die…die…
Chas posted November 23, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Why is Climate Change divided between Left/Right, and CONservative/Liberal??
Why do CONservatives fight so hard against Conservationists??
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Maybe it’s because the Cons are gullible, and prefer to believe falsehoods.
‘More on Booker’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/11/more_on_booker.php
“It seems that Christopher Booker as well as being a global warming denier, is also an asbestos-is-harmful denier. George Monbiot has the story (links added by me):
[snip]
There is some more commentary on Booker’s false claims about NASA and October temperatures by John Matson at the Scientific American:
“The fact remains that October was significant for its high temperatures relative to the historical record. In other words, the example that climate skeptics seized upon to poke holes in the evidence of climate change served only to confirm that the world is warming because of humans’ actions.”
and Coby Beck has addressed it as part of How to Talk to a Climate Sceptic.”
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More, and links at above page.
I don’t mind all the insults and namecalling here, but….what we really need here is more ‘classy’ insults! Let’s review some of the better historical examples. PLease TAKE NOTES. I will expect a better class of insult from now on.
RP
These glorious insults are from an era before the English language got boiled down to 4-letter words.
Exchange between W. Churchill & Lady Astor:
She said, “If you were my husband I’d give you poison.”
He said, “If you were my wife, I’d drink it.”
A member of Parliament to Disraeli: “Sir, you will either die on the gallows or of some unspeakable disease.” “That depends, Sir,” said Disraeli, “whether I embrace your policies or your mistress.”
“He had delusions of adequacy.” - Walter Kerr
“He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.” - Winston Churchill
“I have never killed a man, but I have re ad many obituaries with great pleasure.” Clarence Darrow
“He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary.” - William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway).
“Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I’ll waste no time reading it.” - Moses Hadas
“I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.” - Mark Twain
“He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends.” - Oscar Wilde
“I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a friend…. if you have one.” - George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill
“Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second… if there is one.” - Winston Churchill, in response.
“I feel so miserable without you; it’s almost like having you here.” - Stephen Bishop
“He is a self-made man and worships his creator.” - John Bright
“I’ve just learned about his illness. Let’s hope it’s nothing trivial.” - Irvin S. Cobb
“He is not only dull himself; he is the cause of dullness in others.” - Samuel Johnson
“He is simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up.” - Paul Keating
“In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily.” - Charles, Count Talleyrand
“He loves nature in spite of what it did to him.” - Forrest Tucker
“Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it?” - Mark Twain
“His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork.” - Mae West
“Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.” - Oscar Wilde
“He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts… for support rather than illumination.” - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
“He has Van Gogh’s ear for music.” - Billy Wilder
“I’ve had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn’t it.” - Groucho Marx
BlueJay
Posted November 23, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink
Cons after their getting pasted in the election: :I know there is much to learn from each other if we can make a truce. We can find a way to Co-exist. can there be a peace between us?
How Dems should respond:Peace? NO PEACE!
Cons: What is it you want us to do?
Dems: Die…die…
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BlueJay, hate is not a good thing to nuture. It will not affect your adversary, and it will eat you from the inside.
Plus, it makes you look pretty darn silly.
Those are great Murphy. A subtle, well placed jab is worth at least a hundred “you’re a moron”(s).
NYC bureaucrats concerned more about regulations than people.
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Nov 22, 2008 4:54 pm US/Eastern
NYC Churches Ordered Not To Shelter Homeless
NEW YORK (CBS) ? City officials have ordered 22 New York churches to stop providing beds to homeless people.
With temperatures well below freezing early Saturday, the churches must obey a city rule requiring faith-based shelters to be open at least five days a week — or not at all.
Arnold Cohen, president of the Partnership for the Homeless, a nonprofit that serves as a link with the city, said he had to tell the churches they no longer qualify.
He said hundreds of people now won’t have a place to sleep.
The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.
Last year, four unsheltered homeless people died in the city during cold weather, so three dozen emergency outreach teams were prepped to respond to reports of homeless people outdoors or in the subways.
“We really don’t want people sleeping on the streets, on grates, on church steps. We want people sleeping in beds,” said Homeless Commissioner Robert Hess.
The homeless can be coaxed indoors but not forced unless their life is in danger.
Or nitwit, Hank’s smarmy attempt at insult.
Dennis
Randle Patrick McMurphy,
IF we learn the art of using a better class of insults will you then introduce us to card games where we’re expected to bet cigarettes?
Enjoyed those “classy” insults. We don’t see many of those around here. ;-)
“3. Recognize a pissing contest as quickly as possible and get out.” — Ms. Inks
Are we talking volumn or distance, here? It has been my experience that women win of volumn hands down, but can’t hit the mark.
beber, the volume, distance or accuracy doesn’t matter. It’s the awareness of where it could go that I hope to see as far in advance as possible.
Now (borrowing from Tara) this is NOT science. I suffer from being far too human. It’s only a goal.
Outlander, I think you fail to see the “big picture” with the churches and the homeless.
There is the big issue of liability in case of injury to the people, and/or damage to the premises.
Thus, the NYC ordinance is not so far fetched as it might at first appear. As it says… available all week, or not at all!!
Too often, churches are more than willing to offer space for such tragedies… but they have not done their financial/protective homework first… It isnt difficult… but sometimes, they have too many boards/committees to run through to pass a motion…
YellowdogLiberal posted November 23, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Or nitwit, Hank’s smarmy attempt at insult.
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Hank causes people “nitwit”, because Hank himself is unable to understand the simple basics of AGW science.
Cosmos — Why is it that most of the AGW deniers keep expecting to see Global Warming moving in across the land, like a storm front on a weather map??
Why do they keep confusing GLOBAL warming, with the Weather forecast??
Yes Linda, I will gladly take your smokes…..
You got my first two names right!
Chas posted November 23, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Why do they keep confusing GLOBAL warming, with the Weather forecast??
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Same reason — they’re unable to understand the simple basics of AGW science.
For example, aerosols are masking some of the warming that the added GHG’s would cause. And the thermal inertia of the oceans is delaying the warming.
All Kansans can appreciate these:
You might be a KANSAN IF;
It never occurred to you to be offended by the phrase, ‘One nation, under God’.
You’ve never protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in public places.
You still say ‘ Christmas’ instead of ‘Winter Festival.’
You bow your head when someone prays.
You stand and place your hand over your heart when they play the National Anthem.
You treat our armed forces veterans with great respect, and always have.
You’ve never burned an American flag, nor intend to.
You know what you believe and you aren’t afraid to say so, no matter who is listening.
You respect your elders and raised your kids to do the same.
You’d give your last dollar to a friend.
HAVE A NICE SUNDAY EVENING……RP
Everyone needs to read this and hold the people at Fort Riley accountable.
Not every soldier is a hero.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/us/23abuse.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&hp&oref=slogin
You might be a KANSAN IF;
It never occurred to you to be offended by the phrase, ‘One nation, under God’. (Cuz those darn non-Christians will be tarred and feathered if they came out here- constitution be damned it was signed by God don’tcha know)
You’ve never protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in public places. (There is no separation of church and state, that’s a myth. Those founding fathers loved Christ so much they just assumed putting in the constitution was a duh)
You still say ‘ Christmas’ instead of ‘Winter Festival.’ (See number 1)
You bow your head when someone prays. (Again, See number 1)
You stand and place your hand over your heart when they play the National Anthem. (Cuz God only loves Americans)
You treat our armed forces veterans with great respect, and always have. (Unless its John Kerry- or any other democrat)
You’ve never burned an American flag, nor intend to. (Why that’s like burning God, we’ve never heard about idols in the bible)
You know what you believe and you aren’t afraid to say so, no matter who is listening. (See number 1)
You respect your elders and raised your kids to do the same. (Unless they were somehow against God, and then its ok to convince other people’s kids that they’re going to hell)
You’d give your last dollar to a friend. (But let some guy on the street freeze to death- even if he happened to be a veteran)
sAD COMMENTARY, p-mAMA…. VERY SAD
Why interstate highways in Hawaii? I asked that same question when I was there and saw them. I was told two reasons:
1) paid for with federal funds
2) the Eisenhower Interstate System (full name, Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways) was designed mainly to be able to move troops. And, there are bases/ports on Honolulu (the only island with “interstates”). Hickham AFB, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Marine Corps Base, USCG Sector, Hawaii, and Tripler Medical Center.
Two reasons…I would imagine the Federal funding was the primary reason..
You might be a Kansan if:
You’re freaked out by a mother breastfeeding her baby in public.
You’re ready to condemn others to hell because they don’t believe in creationism.
You think all Democrats are bad people.
You think all Republicans are saints.
You send all your spare dollars to Jerry Falwell.
You think Bush has been the greatest President ever.
Rush Limbaugh is your idea of a real man.
You still think Iraq has WMD.
XXX,
The simple fact is that for 10 years many types of guns were no longer made, imported, or readily available.
30 round magazines cost a small fortune to buy because they could no longer be made or imported either.
People are worried about having even stricter gun control in place because less than 2 years ago several Democrats were trying to push the Assault Weapons ban again, this time with even more strict laws.
No matter how many times people like you keep telling us that nothing is going to happen it is not any more true.
You apparently have no idea of what you are talking about.
mxyzptlk,
“Where were all the CCH folks?”
There are not that many. I don’t know the exact numbers in that state, but I would imagine that less than 1-2% of the population has a CCH license.
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Nathaniel
Posted November 23, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink
XXX,
The simple fact is that for 10 years many types of guns were no longer made, imported, or readily available.
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Name them; tell me why I need them.
30 round magazines cost a small fortune to buy because they could no longer be made or imported either.
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So you’re not a good enough shot to kill somebody with 20 rounds? I can do it with one or two.
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People are worried about having even stricter gun control in place because less than 2 years ago several Democrats were trying to push the Assault Weapons ban again, this time with even more strict laws.
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A guy can never have enough assault weapons. You just never know when you may have to make a stand just in case them damn Liberals take over.
Oops! Too late!
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No matter how many times people like you keep telling us that nothing is going to happen it is not any more true.
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Nathan, you’re such a bed-wetter.
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You apparently have no idea of what you are talking about.
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And you base that statement on what? Nathan, just how many of your guns have the Liberals taken away?
As you like to say….
Idiot
Hmmm, ‘you might be a Kansan’ prose instigators…
It appears they are ashamed of their state.
Must be sad to think that people think in political terms 24/7 - which they don’t.
Some sad sad people on this blog.
RA claims
“Hank belives the earth is 8 to 10,000 years old and Maggotpunk belives it all happened by a roll of the dice? Which one is the most credulous?”
Since I don’t believe that the planet was caused by a “roll of the dice” I guess that would make me the most credulous.
XXX,
Tell you why you need them?
You don’t “need” any of the guns you already own. The argument was not about if I thought you needed them or not.
It was a refutation of your saying that no one is going to restrict our ability to purchase guns and you were calling those who were worried stupid.
Had nothing to do with me making an argument for why you might “need” any particular gun or not.
You don’t really “need” your freedom of speech either, so I guess you don’t mind if take that away?
Talk about me being an idiot? You can’t even keep the argument straight.
Whether or not I can shoot someone with one or two rounds was not the issue either. I simply pointed out that certain items like magazine with greater than a 10 round capacity were banned.
It is a fact you can’t argue against so instead you try to make a smart ass comment about my shooting ability.
You have nothing to offer in the form of a real argument, so all you can do is make fun of me and call me names.
The only idiot here is you.
Reg–I have noticed that many times…that there are a surprising number of people who seem to think that everything is politically motivated. And, a lot of them seem really angry much of the time.
Personally, I like to enjoy a sunset, for example, without worrying about who voted how on the changing of daily savings time.
Another possibility is when one comments about things political they do it on a political blog. They may spend the rest of their day apolitically.
Skyscraper twists and spins. Architects envision a shape-shifting skyscraper, with each floor capable of rotating independently.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/25/duibai.tower/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
You might be a Kansan if:
* You think that you proudly represent “Kansas values”, by LYING.
* You think that well-mixed atmospheric CO2 levels must be “static”, despite those levels rising by about 100 ppm since the late 1700’s, and showing yearly seasonal variations.
* You think that the scientists who correctly used an international CO2 reference gas were sloppy, because that reference gas was later corrected by 0.16 ppm.
You might be a Kansan if: Your pickup costs more than your house, and you can’t afford gas for it so you beat the wife.
I comment rarely. I would love to get involved however all I see is complaining, whineing, and hate from the left. You don’t like anybody’s responses to what you have to say and you avoid all debate. You know who you are and you must have a very sad life. I’m confident you would complain if you were hung with a new rope.
“wichhick”
Horses are hung.
Men are hanged.
I’m not sure I agree with hung (so are cows) or hanged. In any event which men are you referring to?
“wichhick” –
Reportedly, Milton Berle would have been an exception.
In his new book, Society Without God, Phil Zuckerman looks at the Danes and the Swedes—probably the most godless people on Earth. They don’t go to church or pray in the privacy of their own homes; they don’t believe in God or heaven or hell. But, by any reasonable standard, they’re nice to one another. They have a famously expansive welfare and health care service. They have a strong commitment to social equality. And—even without belief in a God looming over them—they murder and rape one another significantly less frequently than Americans do.
Denmark and Sweden aren’t exceptions. A 2005 study by Gregory Paul looking at 18 democracies found that the more atheist societies tended to have relatively low murder and suicide rates and relatively low incidence of abortion and teen pregnancy.
and speaking of somebody full of hate,and avoiding all debate we MXYZPTK…………….leading a very sad life
Moneyhawk…..and we are debating what?
“I comment rarely. I would love to get involved however all I see is complaining, whineing, and hate from the left…”
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Each poster contributes and all other posters are free to read or ignore what is posted. If one is whining, complaining… and you have something different, something interesting and thoughtful to add maybe yours will be the posts that are read. No one needs to meet a standard set by another.
The “nic” appears first so if a particular poster is one you disapprove of it’s easier to know when to put that scroll wheel to work.
or, you can find someone to judge and complain about while complaining about posters who are complaining.
you are simply avoiding my post(par for the course)………….you do not desire meaningfull debate, you usually avoid, and you spew hate…..scroll away…….
Easter=Ishtar (Goddess of Fertility aka Venus, symbols, the egg and rabbit).
Ostara, the celebration of the Spring Equinox.
Note how all the words are similar.
Keep in mind that even now the date of Easter is determined each year by the first full moon following the Spring (vernal) Equinox.
wichhick posted November 23, 2008 at 6:13 pm
I comment rarely. I would love to get involved however all I see is complaining, whineing, and hate from the left.
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LOL! . . . A complaining, whining, hateful, and judgmental troll.
Do you want some cheese to go with your whine?
Monkeyhawk, I believe this is the story you are referring to:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article571206.ece
Life is indeed better in more Atheistic societies.
“Keep in mind that even now the date of Easter is determined each year by the first full moon following the Spring (vernal) Equinox.”
The First Sunday after the First Monday following the Spring Equinox….
That was so Easter would coincide with Passover….
Well,
I suppose it all comes down to what bechmarks you think it is which makes life better…
Try looking at the fertility rates in those “athiestic” countries, the suicide rates, the alcoholism rates, high tax burdens, and different “freedoms” and “rights” which they may or may not have compared to America.
But don’t bother critically thinking about the subject, please feel free to continue on in your ignorance.
Nathaniel is an ignorant slug too.
The proof is in his pudding. Coming out of the closet sometime soon Nathaniel?
I think you’ll all find this one non-political
Kansas—According to Jeff Foxworthy
If you’re proud that your region makes the national news at least 96 times each year because it’s the hottest or coldest spot in the nation, you might live in Kansas.
If your dad’s suntan stops at a line curving around the middle of his forehead, you might live in Kansas.
If you have worn shorts and a parka at the same time, you might live in Kansas.
If your town has an equal number of bars and churches, you might live in Manhattan, Kansas.
If you have had a lengthy telephone conversation with someone who diealed a wrong number, you might live in Kansas.
YOU KNOW YOU ARE A TRUE Kansas WHEN “Vacation” means going east or west on I-70 for the weekend.
If you measure distancer in hours, you might live in Kansas.
If you know several people who have hit a deer more than once, you might lie in Kansas.
If you often switch from “heat” to”A/C” in the same day and back again, you might live in Kansas.
If you can drive 65 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard, without flinching, you might live in Kansas.
If you see people wearing camoflage at social events (including weddings), you might live in Kansas.
If you install security lights on your house and garage and leave both unlocked, you might live in Kansas.
If you carry jumper cables in your car and your girlfirend knows how to use them, you might live in Kansas.
If your idea of creative landscaping is a statue of a deer next to your blue spruce, you might live in Kansas.
If you were unaware that there is a legal drinking age…you might live in Kansas.
If Going Down South means Oklahoma, you might live in Kansas.
If your neighbor throws a party to celebrate his new pole shed, you might live in Kansas.
If your idea of going out to eat is a tail gate party every Friday, you might live in Kansas.
(I can’t guarantee those were truly by Jeff Foxworthy, but what the heck.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
that brown stuff, that’s chocolate, Nathan.
If someone doesn’t get it right really soon, I WILL join this organization. Really scary! Be more afraid than you’ve ever been before
http://www.righteousmothers.com/video/RMVideo.html
beber,
I hope you were not posting that in an attempt to show how I am wrong when the list clearly shows that both Denmark and Sweden have higher suicide rates than America.
XXX
Posted November 23, 2008 at 8:54 am | Permalink
I went to the gun show at the Coliseum yesterday. It was about half the size it usually is with twice as many people. We got there about an hour after it opened and had to stand in line for about 20 minutes. We heard a lot of talk while standing in line. The large majority of people were Republicans and listening to them talk was like stepping into some weird alternate universe. Republicans are convinced that Obama is going to take away their guns. A couple of guys behind us were talking about spending several thousands of dollars to stockpile AR-15 and AK 47 ammo.
Gun sales seemed to be pretty brisk. Lots of people talking about stocking up before Obama gets a chance to outlaw guns. I heard a number of people say that there probably wouldn’t be any gun shows next year because Obama is going to outlaw them.
I’m just amazed at how stupid some people can be.
I added another pistol to my collection. Prices on so called assault weapons were through the roof. I saw AK 47s for over $700. Mini-14s were just unbelievable.
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AWARD WINNING POST OF THE DAY: MOST ASSININE AND MOST HYPOCRITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xxx whines about the majority of the gun show visitors being Republican. Ummm, Kansas is by far a Republican majority state.
Then xxx whines about how foolish the Republicans are there for buying guns because Obama is gonna ban them.
THEN, xxx says he added ANOTHER pistol to his own collection!
Which one xxx, and why did you buy it now?
Nathaniel posted November 23, 2008 at 7:42 pm
“Every opinion is as good and as useless as the next.”
Except for when one is based on facts and one is not, one is based in lies and the other is on truth.
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Nathaniel, you mean like the facts from Steven Milloy, Dennis Avery, and other AGW deniers, re AGW science? /sarcasm OFF
That was so Easter would coincide with Passover….
So both Judiasim, the basis for Christianity, and Christianity use the moon (and the sun) to determine the date(s) of their holy days.
Interesting Article on Thanksgiving:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=17984
Sorry, that should have been ‘Holy days’, in deference to my Christian friends. I do try.
JR, you must be EXCEEDINGLY LONELY.
You post almost daily now hoping to “meet-up” with one con or another. JR must need to hump a leg or something.
Get a life JR. My God!
(You’d wet your pants if cons did agree to meet up with you!)
Great video, Linda! Do you think we could get a two-fer deal on membership?
Wouldn’t want to join without you, PreD! The cause is good! ;-)
Not only is the cause good, the weapons are superior! ;-)
Did you read that email from kansas.com? Bill Snyder will coach K-State football! WOW!
I want to join, too!!!
You’re in, Mary!
We should have some shakin’ in their boots by now.
However, I would point out, being older and definitely fatter than either of you two lovely ladies (PreD and Mary!) I have the superior weapon!
Wanna argue about it?
I think it means I should be on the front lines! I can save my younger, thinner compatriots.
“Interesting Article on Thanksgiving:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=17984”
Interesting on how it is factually wrong. The Pilgrims didn’t land at Plymouth Rock, they landed near Provincetown. Wallbuilders maintains it’s historical credibility by being wrong again. Maybe they’ll go on about other myths like how the Pilgrims wore black, wore buckles and had silly rifles that looked like trombones.
Liberals clinically mad, concludes top psychiatrist
Eminent doctor makes case leftist ideology is a mental disorder
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56494
Posted: November 12, 2008
6:33 pm Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”
I’m sure there are some old fat guys on this blog that would be pretty scary also!
Middle agers unite!!
Look at that Mary! We also suffer a mental disorder. It gets scarier and scarier.
Right, that has to be the most stupid post I’ve seen in a long time! I’ve been a psychiatric nurse for 22 years, and I have yet to see the DSM lV come up with a diagnosis for people who are liberal. Actually I’m sure the article you cut and pasted was meant to be tongue in cheek.
It came from WND what do you expect? WND is the national enquirer of the conservative blogosphere.
What’s the saying, Linda? “You don’t have to be crazy to blog here, but it sure helps!”
I think the right wingers should have a mental illness of their own, also…Let’s see, we could call it “psychopathic narrow minded cognitive disorder”.
Mary. PMom, is lunch a possibility sometime? Miss you gals! Would enjoy seeing you again.
It’s no wonder Rossiter had to publish a book, it’s because he couldn’t get such garbage published in a scientific journal. Rossiter did absolutely no scientific research to support his conclusion, therefore that doesn’t make him a leading psychiatrist, it makes him a fraud.
Mary,
So I see. You can say as many insulting things as you want, but if it is “obscene” that is where you draw the line?
True, Maggot…it just an opinion..no scientific basis for it at all.
Lunch anytime is good for me, Linda…just let me know when and where.
Goodnight…I gotta get up early tomorrow :(
Where do YOU draw the line, Nat?
“Where do YOU draw the line, Nat?”
He doesn’t. He comes by that naturally. That and whining about how he is treated because of it.
BlueJay,
What is it that you do for a living?
I only ask, because you are always talking about how you will not work for the man or say yes sir.
Whatever it is that you are doing, it almost has to be a service for someone.
Even if you are not actually their employee, you are contracted labor. You work for them.
Pre- that list is SO on the money how hysterical.
I find myself in a lot of that…is that funny?
I do measure distance in hours…doesn’t everyone? Turning the AC on and then Heat? I do that too.
Can’t every woman use jumper cables now? If not, why the heck not?
Did Foxworthy’s tour bus drive by while my DH was in the driveway in his shorts shoveling snow and wearing his parka? Yes, that’s a true story.
“Assplasia”…the disease that causes one’s pants to hang down below their underwear, causing awkward walking, losing change out of the pockets, and prevents one from obtaining employment.”
Just saw a special on TV about it.
I have an idea…let’s ignore Nathan.
He reminds me of the pastor at Spirit One…not happy unless he’s pissing people off. That’s probably where he attends church.
I’m done…you’ll have a great day tomorrow!
Good night Mary! Sleep well.
“You work for them.”
No, I work WITH people, not for them.
Occasionally, I run onto someone who feels the need to throw “you work for ME” at me.
Then they find someone else to work for them.
linda, mary, pre-destined…
Send me some Polaroids of your first meeting in full buff…
:D
Do I piss you off Mary?
LOL
Good.
Take a look at your own posts here, hypocrite.
Can Obama turn this mess around? He’s going to make an announcement tomorrow about his financial appts., and I think about his plans for the future. He can no longer afford to remain low profile while the country slides deeper into recession and the lame duck runs around the globe quacking.
God Save America, or at least let Obama get the country headed in the right direction!
Well, we might just say that God has given us the tools to make it work…. I think the rest is up to us…
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blessings K-State and Bill Snyder!!
so mote it be!!
Nathan, Johnny Cash says it so much better than I can:
http://www.shoprockamerica.com/product.php?productid=2831
Phant,
Presidents sometimes do things that get us into these economic messes, and Bush pulled a hum-doozy creating this one. They don’t have nearly as much control in getting us out of messes. Obama will probably get the best minds available to work on it, but don’t expect miracles. This recession is going to last a while and we’ll just have to make the best of it. Some of the programs Obama has proposed will likely do just that, and alleviate the worst of it while it’s here. I doubt we’ll end up selling apples on the sidewalks, but our invested money isn’t coming back for quite a while.
Hey Chas. I’m right and you’re ALWAYS wrong. And like how this blog goes, here’s a “nyah nyah nuh nyah nayh” at ya.
“The date’s not important”
Wha??? Seems to me, lotsa places have a lot invested in December 25th. It’s very important to retail stores and retail churches.
Important to Jesus? Maybe not so much.
Chas, you’re irrelevant and obviously, useless as a “minister” too.
No Nathan, you don’t piss me off…you couldn’t possibly have that much power in my life.
You are an angry little boy who needs to find a girlfriend and get a life.
Thanks. I was searching and got the point for my new assignment.