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Despite being heavily outnumbered creationists will still claim there is a controversy. The only controversy is there are knuckle dragging politicians who still want superstition taught instead of the irrefutable fact of evolution.
It’s Science: Ninety-Nine Percent of Texas Science Professors Surveyed Don’t Believe in Intelligent Design
Moments ago, the Texas Freedom Network posted to its Web site a study conducted by Dr. Raymond Eve, a professor of sociology and anthropology at the University of Texas at Arlington, titled Evolution, Creationism & Public Schools: Surveying What Texas Scientists Think about Educating Our Kids in the 21st Century. It reveals the results of a survey sent to biology and “biological anthropology” faculty members from “all 35 public universities plus the 15 largest private institutions in Texas,” in which they were asked to take the following taste test: evolution or intelligent design? As Eve writes in the introduction, the reason for the survey was simple:
“In the spring of 2009, the Texas State Board of Education will vote to adopt new curriculum standards for the teaching of science in grades K – 12 in Texas public schools. (These guidelines are formally known as the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills, or TEKS.) Many observers, both within Texas and around the country, anticipate a vigorous push by certain interest groups to make the debate over the Texas science curriculum the latest front in the running battle over evolution.”
So Eve, and the TFN, wanted to see where educators stood on the issue. Oof the 1,019 faculty members to whom the surveys were sent, 464 responded — and fewer than 1 percent checked off the box marked, “Modern evolutionary biology is mostly wrong. Life arose through multiple creation events by an intelligent designer, although evolution by natural selection played a limited role.” In other words: Do the evolution. Now might be a good time to re-read Jesse Hyde’s March 2008 cover story on the subject. –Robert Wilonsky
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2008/11/its_science_texas_science_prof.php
Nearly half the respondents in a survey of U.S. primary care physicians said that they would seriously consider getting out of the medical business within the next three years if they had an alternative. Many said they are overwhelmed with red tape from insurance companies and government agencies
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/11/17/primary.care.doctors.study/index.html
SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM NOW, please…
Dennis Avery
Senior Fellow
Climate Change
The Heartland Institute
Dennis Avery is a senior fellow with The Heartland Institute, director of the Center for Global Food Issues, and a senior fellow of the Hudson Institute. With Dr. S. Fred Singer, he is coauthor of Unstoppable Global Warming – Every 1,500 Years, which spent weeks on The New York Times best-seller list in early 2007.
Avery is the author of Global Food Progress 1991 (Hudson Institute, 1991) and Saving the Planet with Pesticides and Plastic: The Environmental Triumph of High-Yield Farming (Hudson Institute, 1995). The second edition of Saving the Planet was published in 2000.
Avery writes a weekly column on environmental issues that is widely regarded across the country and internationally. He has been quoted in publications ranging from Time and The Washington Post to The Farm Journal. Avery’s article, “What’s Wrong with Global Warming?” was published in the August 1999 issue of Reader’s Digest.
Avery studied agricultural economics at Michigan State University and the University of Wisconsin. He holds awards for outstanding performance from three different government agencies and was awarded the National Intelligence Medal of Achievement in 1983. He continues to monitor developments in world food production, farm product demand, the safety and security of food supplies, and the sustainability of world agriculture. As a staff member of the President’s National Advisory Commission on Food and Fiber, he wrote the Commission’s landmark report, “Food and Fiber for the Future.”
Avery travels the world as a speaker, has testified before Congress, and has appeared on most of the nation’s major television networks, including ABC’s 20/20.
“An Example Positive Christian influence in America”
The Salvation Army- Social Services
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Emergency Assistance Program – Washington, DC – The Emergency Assistance Program provides eligible Washington, DC residents with financial and material assistance for rent, food, utility bills, clothing, furniture, and transportation. In 2004, almost 150,000 people received help with these basic needs.
Leid Renaissance Center – Omaha, Nebraska – The Lied Renaissance Center is nationally recognized because of its uniqueness and functionality. It stands as the world’s largest social services agency under one roof, featuring a broad and diverse offering of 24 programs, from child day care to services for the elderly. More than 160 people who might otherwise be living on the streets live instead at the Center, and more than 100,000 are served annually thanks to the generous donations of the people of Omaha.
Paleoclimatologist: Expect Global COOLING — ‘There’s been no global warming in the 21st century’
A professor from Carleton University may get the cold shoulder from environmentalists when he speaks in London tomorrow. Tim Patterson, a paleoclimatologist from the department of Earth sciences, will give an opposing view to Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. Patterson is speaking at a Canadian Club of London luncheon. He believes we should expect global cooling rather than global warming in the coming years. “We’re off on the wrong foot,” he says. ”
Climate change is not caused by humans, but by natural forces, Patterson says. His research indicates cosmic rays from the sun affect temperature by impacting cloud formation. When there are fewer cosmic rays, there are fewer clouds. Fewer clouds lead to warmer temperatures.
But Patterson predicts temperatures will drop as a result of the next solar cycle, which is much weaker than usual. Global cooling could significantly reduce Canada’s agricultural output, he says. In the current financial crisis, it’s essential our resources go into alleviating that problem, he says. Instead of focusing on carbon dioxide emissions, which Patterson calls “plant food,” we should crack down on real air pollution caused by heavy industry, he says.
He also believes we need to adapt to the coming changes. His advice comes not from his role as a paleoclimatologist, but as a Scout leader. “Be prepared,” he says. “The only constant in climate is change.”
Source
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2008/11/17/7433876-sun.html
Winemaker thinks AGW is all bull
Winemakers/growers are very close observers of temperature and weather generally. They have to be
I have a sticking point with the `science of global warming’. It’s not global. In fact, it is confined in the main to the Northern Hemisphere. If `greenhouse theory’ were correct, warming would be seen in all places and in all seasons. But, the advance in temperature is mostly in the winter and spring. There is an obvious cause for this and it’s the heat stored in the oceans as a result of episodes of tropical warming that are described as `El Nino’ events after the most obvious manifestation in the Pacific Ocean. In brief, this is the situation as I see it:
In the Southern Hemisphere there is very little warming but a lot of drying due to the expansion of the cloud-free area of the tropics we call the `Hadley Cell’. This is due to the increase in sea surface temperatures across the tropics.
In Antarctica, temperatures at the South Pole have been falling since 1957 when the US base `Amundsen Scott’ was established. Warm air ascending in the tropics is balanced by cold air descending on Antarctica, the coldest place on Earth. The islands of the South East Pacific near Peru have been cooling for 100 years. The big solar cycle made up of nine individual 11-year cycles is 100 years. We are getting to the end of that 100-year cycle. In the last year, sunspots have almost disappeared, the tropics have cooled and Antarctica has started to warm.
The Earth is closer to the sun in January than in July so there is an extra 90 watts per metre of solar radiation, an increase of 7% over the July figure. The Southern Hemisphere is more ocean than land. Ocean is a good heat absorber because it is transparent. The land is a fast emitter. That’s why average global temperatures `as measured in the atmosphere’ are higher in July than in January.
The tropical ocean is warmest in April at the end of the Southern Hemisphere summer. That provides the pulse of warmth to heat the Northern Hemisphere in December-January when the average global temperature over land falls to 3oC. It takes about six months for the waters of the Gulf of Mexico to arrive off Britain.
Man is a land-dwelling animal. This is where the complaints are coming from. The fishes seem to be happy enough. The whales need to feed in the Antarctic and birth their young in the tropics because the newborns have not the fat to keep them warm. Life is a little easier for them now that the ocean is warmer.
Over the last 30 years we have had one El Nino event after another. Prior to that we had 30 years of one strong La Nina event after another. This pattern is apparent in Figure 1 where we aggregate the Southern Oscillation Index for each solar cycle. Furthermore, it is very likely that the changes that occur in the tropics drive the Pacific Decadal Oscillation Index which is correlated with changes in climate (and fish populations) in the North Pacific…..
CONCLUSION
Greenhouse theory does not stack up. `Tropo’ in `troposphere’ is Greek for `turning’. If the surface of the Earth heats up the troposphere turns faster and eliminates heat more efficiently. At an average depth of 10km, the troposphere is very thin. Moving air will not hold heat. Even in the warmest places, the nights can be cool. It is the ocean that is the real store of warmth and it is the coastal places that stay warmer overnight and in winter.
Carbon dioxide is less than one-twenty-fifth of 1% of the air that we inhale. It is a much larger fraction of the air that we exhale. Are we to breathe less deeply and exercise less vigorously to reduce our carbon footprint? Carbon dioxide is what the plants need to make them grow and that is why it is scarce. While we have plants it will always be scarce. More carbon dioxide enables plants to grow faster and use less water. This will help to green the deserts. Let us not confuse environmental religion with observational science. Reliable science explains what we observe. One can not understand the climate system without an appreciation of the influence of geography, spatial relations, ocean currents and the physics that drive cloud cover over the tropics. We have managed to banish religion from politics. Now we need to do the same for science.
Much more here (See the original for links, graphics etc.)
http://bravenewclimate.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/erl-happ_climatechange_wij_23_4.pdf
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/27/18546830.php
If the news reports on the draft SOFAs main provisions are generally accurate, it is hard to understand what the fight is all about. The US appears to have conceded on all major issues and is left with little alternative to withdrawal:
–after January 1, the US will undertake military operations only with Iraqi consent;
–all US non-military contract employees will be subject to Iraqi law. (The US military operation has become so dependent on contract employees that its hard to understand how the US could function if US contract employees are pulled out by their employers because of their exposure to arrest by a legal system they do not understand and understandably fear.)
–all Iraqis apprehended by US military must be turned over to Iraq authorities.
–by June 2009, all US military must evacuate the cities and return to fixed bases, from which they can operate only with Iraqs permission. The practical effect of this provision is that whatever the merits of General Petreuss strategy of deploying forces to cities and neighborhoods to protect the population and to sponsor civil affairs and local self-help activities, it will be history. Thus the surge will also be no more, together with the many soldiers and special forces needed to support it..
–By the end of 2011, all US combat forces will be withdrawn unless the two sides agree that circumstances require them to stay.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/us/18vets.html?em
snip
While few Americans are sheltered from the jolt of the recent economic crisis, the nation’s newest veterans, particularly the wounded, are being hit especially hard. The triple-whammy of injury, unemployment and waiting for disability claims to be processed has forced many veterans into foreclosure, or sent them teetering on its edge, according to veterans’ organizations.
The problem is hard to quantify because there are no foreclosure statistics singling out veterans and service members. Congress recently asked the Veterans Affairs Department to find out how badly veterans were being affected, particularly by foreclosures. The Army, too, began tracking requests for help on foreclosure issues for the first time. Service organizations report that requests for help from military personnel and new veterans, especially those who were wounded, mentally or physically, and are struggling to keep their houses and pay their bills, has jumped sharply.
“The demand curve has gone almost straight up this year,” said Bill Nelson, executive director for USA Cares, a nonprofit group that provides financial help to members of the military and to veterans. Housing, Mr. Nelson said, “is the biggest driver in the last 12 months.”
Congress has recently taken small steps to help, banning lenders from foreclosing on military personnel for nine months after their return from overseas, up from three months, and ensuring that interest rates on their loans remain stable for a year. Another relief bill to prevent certain injured veterans from losing their homes while they wait for their disability money was signed into law in October. The protection is good for one year.
“We owe these men and women more than a pat on the back,” said Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, who introduced one of the bills.
But the short-term measures do little to address the underlying economic difficulties that new veterans face, beginning with the job hunt. Veterans, particularly those in their 20s, have faced higher unemployment rates in recent years than those who never served in the military, though the gap has shrunk as the economy has worsened. (Veterans traditionally have lower unemployment rates than nonveterans.)
Hank’s anti-AGW cut & pastes = scroll over territory
“Heartland Institute” – indeed… holding my nose.
BlueJay<—-points at anti science sideshow and laughs.
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews+articleid_2804653.html
snip
“I have not seen prices drop as much as you would have expected based on the fact that cost of fuel and transportation for foods have come down,” French said as she rolled a shopping cart full of sacks out of a Kansas City supermarket.
“I would hope to see some change, but I don’t really expect it,” French said. “The mercenary quality of retail, once prices go up they tend to come down a little bit but not as much as they should.”
To be sure, food prices have outpaced overall consumer inflation in recent months.
Food inflation was 6.2 percent growth for the 12 months that ended in September, compared with a rate of inflation of 5.2 percent for all items tracked by the government. It was even more dramatic for the three months ended September, when food inflation was at 8.5 percent compared to 2.8 percent for all items.
The American Farm Bureau on Thursday projected a turkey dinner for eight to 10 people this Thanksgiving will cost 5.6 percent more this season.
But a lot has changed in the economy in just the last month or so, and some relief could be on the way.
Pat Westhoff, an agriculture economist at the University of Missouri, thinks consumers should see food inflation at least slowing fairly soon.
Westhoff, who is co-director of the national Food and Agricultural Policy Research Institute, said the group in August did a projection of the Consumer Price Index for food at the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.
“At that time, we were projecting about 6 percent CPI for food for both 2008 and 2009,” Westhoff said. “But at that time, we were projecting $120 a barrel petroleum.
annie_moose
Posted November 18, 2008 at 7:13 am | Permalink
Best f uking news I’ve heard all year. Thanx for posting it annie.
I know I’m spending a lot more at the grocery store these days….maybe I’ll lose some weight? Just like high gas prices have curbed people’s driving, maybe the obesity problem will be helped by the current rise in food prices. It worked for the Italians during WWII and the Cubans during the fall of the Soviet Union, heart disease bottomed out until they recovered and started eating again.
maybe I’ll lose some weight?
We bought a Wii Fit last night. Highly recomend it for young and old. While you will not get all the excercise you need for a day, it will get you moving and having fun at the same time.
Increadably hard to get. Start shopping now !!!
How the hell are ya Mary !!!
Incredibly*
I’d like to buy another vowel Alex…
(It is Alex on Wheel of Fortune right?)
Problem with high food cost is that the lower quality foods are the ones that are affordable. I have been getting into cooking recently and require a lot of fresh ingredients. That is where the bill hits you. Then you look at how cheap the frozen processed meals are. That is a shame. No decent farmer’s market around here. Hell it was 18 degrees this morning. Doubt anyone would show if there was a decent one.
Hey Sol! I walk about 3 miles a day…haven’t lost weight, but I feel better and have energy again.
Glad to report that Spirit One’s phones are out of order…I’m sure the outraged were blowing up their phones with compliants about their sign.
The next thing is to get them to fire their pastor for being a hate and fear monger. I might even go to their services on Sunday and hold up a sign about not bearing false witness..
“The next thing is to get them to fire their pastor for being a hate and fear monger.”
No chance. He leads a congregation who’s members are just like him. Racist, homophobic, and bitter haters who want to turn the clock back to the days before the Civil War.
He’s just like the people he leads. WHY would they get rid of him?
And…
Just like the phelps crew, they love the publicity. They are too dumb to know they are being made fun of.
And speaking of those good christian phelps pholks…
http://www.saljournal.com/news/story/Ben-s-Fred-Phelps-editorial-for-Wednesday–Nov–19–2008
A good editorial today in the Salina Journal!
KFG, how you doin’ this fine morning darlin’?
I dunno, Ksfrmgrl…he seemed a just a little stressed in the interview on CNN yesterday…and he started to back peddle. I think his congregation might be embarrassed about the negative attention. It cetainly has mucked up the works there. I really think he shot himself in the foot and he might have some consequences for it. I hope so anyway.
“God hates …”
Would be your first clue he has left the reservation…
“God hates …”
Would be your first clue he has left the reservation…
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yepper. That kind of makes me tune them out.
Naw, Frngirl…I’d rather kick Fred’s ass than pray for him…it’s much more cathartic!
BTW, isn’t he dead yet?
Naw, Frngirl…I’d rather kick Fred’s ass than pray for him…it’s much more cathartic!
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Don’t worry, he will burn. Hopefully soon.
Fred’s crew showed up at a funeral for a soldier in G.C. Once they took a good look at us and all the farm boys, cowboys, and SW KS Patriot Guard and other misc. biker characters…well none of them shouted or raised their stupid signs above their heads.
They knew if they did, they would not be leaving the site on their own power.
Is there hope?
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/11/17/pn.no.bonuses.cnn
They would be wise to say no to the bonuses!
A brief timeline on the banking mess for those that have not had enough.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/09/27/business/economy/20080927_WEEKS_TIMELINE.html
Lieberman Likely to Keep Senate Chairmanship
Though he defied his party by supporting John McCain over Barack Obama, Independent Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman may not be in for the punishment some had suggested he receive.
Fox
Hank,
How does Avery’s listing of peer-reviewed scientists that AGREE with the AGW theory support his anti-AGW opinion?
‘Outrage in the Climate Science Community Continues Over the “500 Scientist” List’
http://www.desmogblog.com/outrage-in-the-climate-science-community-continues-over-the-500-scientist-list
It seems to be something like:
‘These credible, peer-reviewed scientists support my opinion. . . but IGNORE the fact that they DISAGREE with me.’
Here we go. The IPCC’s draft full of lies.
cosmos’ chosen religion of lies and liars.
”
It is a bit of a stretch to claim three centuries of awareness of greenhouse gases contributing to a
possible climate warming effect
is several centuries old. I think it was Arrhenius who actually made a public case of it, in just a bit over century and a decade ago.
[Jerry Mahlman]
”
Status
Noted. Text has been edited.
Emphisis mine.
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Comments/wg1-commentFrameset.html
”
One could quibble with the idea that “observations … are the foundation of our science”, since
the whole IPCC enterprise is motivated by the theory of global warming due to increasing greenhouse gases.
I’d suggest changing “the foundation” to “a foundation”.
[Dian Seidel]
”
Status:
Accepted. Text has been edited.
Emphasis mine.
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Comments/wg1-commentFrameset.html
“Over the last decade global land-surface sets have been able to increase the number of
stations substantially”.
Is untrue.There has been a substantial reduction in the number of stations since 1980.
see T C Peterson and R S Vose 1997 “An Overview of the GlobalHistorical Climatology Network Temperature Database” Bulletin of the Royal
Meteorological Society Vol 78, pages 2837-2849. There has been a particularly large
reduction in the former Soviet Union. Delete from “decade” on line 30 to “not” on line 33 and replace with “substantial reductions in numbers of stations, and in their reliability, since 1980, have affected accuracy of recent figures”.
[Vincent Gray]
”
Status:
Noted. Text has been edited.
Emphasis mine.
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Comments/wg1-commentFrameset.html
”
Replace “Remarkable success” with “usefulness”
No model has yet succeeded in predicting a future climate change
and until one does they cannot be considered
particularly “successful”
[Vincent Gray]
”
Status:
Noted. Text has been edited.
Emphasis mine.
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Comments/wg1-commentFrameset.html
Lets hear that one again…
No model has yet succeeded in predicting a future climate change
“Unstated here is the mega-challenge on how to properly initialize the complete climate
system in our models.
Many tricks are employed
that produce an equilibrated state, but not necessarily comfortably close
”
Emphasis mine.
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Comments/wg1-commentFrameset.html
Many tricks to get the ‘models to work’
Now there is some science to believe in.
Please remember folks, this is the draft report from the IPCC. Any Joe Sixpack can request a copy and submit requests for changes. Please note, these changes were made because
THE IPCC LIED AND GOT CAUGHT
So how many more lies did Joe Sixpack miss? How many more lies are in the final document? If you have this many lies in a draft copy, just how credible are the contributors?
Hank posted November 18, 2008 at 7:12 am
Winemaker thinks AGW is all bull
…
I have a sticking point with the `science of global warming’. It’s not global.
It’s not global. In fact, it is confined in the main to the Northern Hemisphere. If `greenhouse theory’ were correct, warming would be seen in all places and in all seasons.
…
The Southern Hemisphere is more ocean than land. Ocean is a good heat absorber because it is transparent.
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Hank’s poor “winemaker” does not understand the ’science of global warming’, despite partly knowing the basics.
AGW science predicted more warming in the Northern hemisphere for this time period.
‘Northern Hemisphere Warming Twice as Fast as South’
http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/5660
“”So far the northern hemisphere is warming much more than the southern hemisphere,” WMO expert Omar Baddour told The Associated Press.
He said one reason for the difference was the greater proportion of land to water surface in the north.
“The oceans respond much slower to any change in temperature. This explains why the northern hemisphere, which has more land than the southern hemisphere, got as much as twice the increase in temperature than in the southern hemisphere,” Baddour said.”
And cosmos wants to talk about credibility and credentials. How about blatant lies and misrepresentations cosmos? How about all the lies from the so called credible contributors to the draft?
”
We always have to be very careful when we discuss “abrupt climate change”. Typically,
such
“abrupt” climate changes take decades to centuries to millenia,
e.g. thermohaline circulation slowdown/collapse(50-100 years), West Antarctic ice sheet collapse(500-1000years) ; Arctic summer sea ice melting roughly a century or so).
[Jerry Mahlman]
”
Status:
The point is well taken, although much faster changes than those cited by the reviewer are now known to occur. We will alter the text to clarify the concept of abrupt climate change.
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Comments/wg1-commentFrameset.html
SolDevVB posted November 18, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Here we go. The IPCC’s DRAFT full of lies.
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Thank you SolDevVB, for proving that you do not understand that:
* “Drafts” often have errors
* Errors are not automatically “lies”
* The IPCC reports are compiled from peer-reviewed published papers
* The AGW theory is based on the science, not the IPCC reports
* “Drafts” often have errors
LMFAO. Errors, OK, so these contributors LIE and you call it an error. Great credentials!!! What a joke !!!
Replace “Remarkable success” with “usefulness”
No model has yet succeeded in predicting a future climate change
and until one does they cannot be considered
particularly “successful”
Looks like a lie to me. “Remarkable success” = not one single success. LMFAO!!!
* The IPCC reports are compiled from peer-reviewed published papers
Diggin that hole deeper. You just trashed the peer reviewed status. So how many peers reviewed and approved the lies? LMFAO!!! And you worship these liars. LMFAO!!!
* The AGW theory is based on the science, not the IPCC reports
The lying IPCC and Gore are the mouthpiece for the GW farce. They are the ones driving government policy. LMFAO, you really chose a stinker to worship.
Oh damn, gotta wipe my eyes I’m laughing so hard !!!!
Cosmos, did you know the Vikings farmed on Greenland quite successfully, after it was really cold…..but then the warming ended and they were trapped there and died.
Cycles (natural)
Oh this is too rich!!! The contributions come from “peer reviewed” reports, and yet it takes Joe Sixpack to find the lies. DAMN that is some good stuff !!!!
There used to be glaciers in Kansas…
…then those gas guzzling, CO2 spewing Cadillacs came along and drove them away…
SolDevVB,
Keep on laughing. . . and maybe you wont realize that you AGW deniers cannot refute the solid science accumulated since the 1970’s, that supports the AGW theory.
cannot refute the solid science accumulated since the 1970’s
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I have seen no evidence of ’solid science’ as per GW.
Cosmos I laugh at you daily. Your religion has died. The evidence is in. You are right, the debate is over.
1) We are in a pattern of global cooling and will be for the next 10-15 years
2) Gore is a money mongering moron
3) The IPCC lies and lies and lies to keep funding
4) There are still idiots out there believing the stupidity of it all, as the globe cools beneath them.
It is just too damn funny that you attack anyone’s credentials that don’t agree with the GW farce. Yet here is your gold standard, the IPCC (draft) report, chock full of peer reviewed lies.
Damn, how can you seriously keep swallowing the garbage? The peer reviewers accepted and backed lies, yet you attack anyone else’s credentials. Take the log from your eye…
I have seen no evidence of ’solid science’ as per GW.
But have you seen the mercury in the thermometers going down over the last 10 years?
WOW the pirates in Somalia have been busy the last few days.
But have you seen the mercury in the thermometers going down over the last 10 years?
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That is due to warming….right?
ANTI,
Explain how past natural climate changes PREVENT anthropogenic climate changes.
If humans had a large-scale nuclear war that put huge amounts of dust, etc into the atmosphere, would there be no climate impact?
SolDevVB posted November 18, 2008 at 1:23 pm
I have seen no evidence of ’solid science’ as per GW.
But have you seen the mercury in the thermometers going down over the last 10 years?
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http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.B.lrg.gif
If humans had a large-scale nuclear war that put huge amounts of dust, etc into the atmosphere, would there be no climate impact?
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Nuclear war would effect the climate….We are not in a period of nuclear war. At least, I am not aware of one going on…(looks both ways)…nope.
If humans had a large-scale nuclear war that put huge amounts of dust, etc into the atmosphere, would there be no climate impact?
But.. but.. but..
What if….
cosmos,
Notice the radical upswing in CO2 in sharp contrast to the settling – or even declining – global temperatures:
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=41&tstamp=200709
Cosmos are you suggesting we have a nuclear war to stop the cooling?
ANTI,
Are you trolling. . . or just stupid?
cosmos_originally
Posted November 18, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
ANTI,
Are you trolling. . . or just stupid?
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I am not in my boat cosmos.
I am just trying to understand why you brought nuclear war into the conversation.
SolDevVB posted November 18, 2008 at 1:21 pm
It is just too damn funny that you attack anyone’s credentials that don’t agree with the GW farce. Yet here is your gold standard, the IPCC (draft) report, chock full of peer reviewed lies.
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What’s funny is SolDevVB’s inablilty to understand scientific methodology.
And his inability to read graphs.
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp
That graph is 8 years old.
ANTI posted November 18, 2008 at 1:35 pm
I am just trying to understand why you brought nuclear war into the conversation.
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Because you implied at 1:08 pm that humans could not impact Earth’s climate, because Earth had natural climate changes in the past.
Again. . . explain how those past natural climate changes PREVENT human caused changes, such as the current AGW.
See, here’s what I don’t understand about Climate-Change-deniers.
What’s in it for them?
A few more years driving their SUVs?
Just pissing off Al Gore?
Early in my life I became influenced by the lectures, essays, and observations of Buckminster Fuller.
He called us “Spaceship Earth.”
If, for no other reason, it sorta makes sense to stop pumping poisons into the space craft’s breathing supply.
What’s the argument any of you Climate Change deniers have for continuing to pump poison into the air? So you can drive your truck?
I just don’t get it.
Just because it’s chilly outside in Derby doesn’t negate the major weather system change that’s resulted in 9 years of drought in formerly productive farmlands in Australia. What part of “global” do you not understand?
The Beijing Olympics showed us short-term advantages of shutting down dirty coal industries just so high-jumpers could get a lungful of relatively sweet air.
Maybe we ought to think of doing that more often, even when there aren’t television cameras.
There are plenty of ways to use petroleum and other fossil fuels which make more sense than spewing poison in the air. The technologies are there — or almost there — and yet the CONs seem to be obsessed with breathing as long as they can. To hell with their progeny.
At least they can hang their Truck Nuts on the back of the pick-up.
And his inability to read graphs.
Yeah, that pretty blue line going up off the chart while that funny red line drops. Might be you with the problem there scooter. Just because it doesn’t support your farce, doesn’t make it any less real.
Kinda funny you don’t want to look at the last 650,000 years and just take a slice. God forbid we see the pattern of climate change beyond what the alarmists want us to see.
More lies and deception. Good on ya cosmos.
Kinda funny how my chart says “Today” with the CO2 off the chart and the temps declining.
Again. . . explain how those past natural climate changes PREVENT human caused changes, such as the current AGW.
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I wouldn’t say natural cycles prevent our impact, but these cycles can over power our impact.
As of today I do not feel our impact has become able to drastically transition the climate into what the fear-mongers are predicting.
Just pissing off Al Gore?
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Yep. I can’t stand that toad. ;)
Monkey,
Seriously, have you thought about the impact of Cap & Trade to our already declining market?
I want off foreign oil. I’d love for everyone to have an emissions free car. I’d love clean energy to power my house, but just as you claim the ‘right’ as fear mongerers, so do I call the warming farce alarmists.
ANTI posted November 18, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I wouldn’t say natural cycles prevent our impact, but these cycles can over power our impact.
As of today I do not feel our impact has become able to drastically transition the climate into what the fear-mongers are predicting.
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You cannot refute that human’s have caused a sharp rise in the GHG levels in Earth’s atmosphere.
You cannot refute that Earth is warming at a much faster rate than in the past.
And your science(sic) is that you do not “feel” that it is AGW?
And your science(sic) is that you do not “feel” that it is AGW?
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I haven’t seen hard scientific evidence to prove me wrong.
Just because it’s chilly outside in Derby doesn’t negate the major weather system change that’s resulted in 9 years of drought in formerly productive farmlands in Australia. What part of “global” do you not understand?
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It is disingenuous to automatically attribute natural climate variations to AGW. In your Australian example, could the drought be caused by factors other than AGW? Of course it could.
A lengthy but very interesting study by South African scientists on the effects of solar cycles on rainfall, droughts and finding a positive correlation.
http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/alexander2707.pdf
ANTI posted November 18, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I haven’t seen hard scientific evidence to prove me wrong.
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Your not reading the AGW science, or not understanding it, does not mean it does not exist.
Your not reading the AGW science, or not understanding it, does not mean it does not exist.
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Natural cycles are having a far greater impact on global climate than man at this time. I understand what is going on perfectly.
Mans role in Global Warming/Cooling/Static deals with money and power, nothing more.
outlander posted November 18, 2008 at 2:07 pm
It is disingenuous to automatically attribute natural climate variations to AGW. In your Australian example, could the drought be caused by factors other than AGW? Of course it could.
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It is disingenuous to automatically exclude AGW from causing climate changes.
‘Working Group II Report “Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability”‘
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg2.htm
Your not reading the AGW science,
You know, liars peer reviewing liars and all.
C’mon Anti, get up to speed.
ANTI posted November 18, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Natural cycles are having a far greater impact on global climate than man at this time.
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Post your proof of that claim.
Post your proof of that claim.
The last ten years, unless of course CO2 has drastically decreased…
ANTI
Posted November 18, 2008 at 2:05 pm | Permalink
And your science(sic) is that you do not “feel” that it is AGW?
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I haven’t seen hard scientific evidence to prove me wrong.
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Dont read much, eh?? LOL
If you spent half the time reading fcts, that you spend posting trash, you might learn to distinguish the differrence between weather patterns, and climate change!! LOL
Post your proof of that claim.
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Beginning of Earth up to pre-modern man.
Look at the drastic swings in global climate.
I don’t have time to find you a graph, sorry.
you might learn to distinguish the differrence between weather patterns, and climate change!! LOL
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Look up, Chas.
“Mans role in Global Warming/Cooling/Static deals with money and power, nothing more.”
That would in turn, force the creation of tens of thousands of jobs… jobs that the CONS all claim they want to see happen…
That would in turn, force the creation of tens of thousands of jobs… jobs that the CONS all claim they want to see happen…
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Those would be temporary. The jobs lost would be far greater.
IF you know the difference, than what the hell is your problem??? All of your griping is centered on “Weather” issues… not climate change issues….
IMO, all of the Anti-Global Warming alarmists are basing the entirty of their arguments on a politically based platform….
When will you people understand that this is not just another Repub/Dem, or Left/Right issue….
This issue is not just about OUR nation, but it is about the WORLD community…. To keep putting it into an American political issue, is to fail to understand the scope of the problem….
Ye, sure right… ANTI wrongly forecasts >>>>
“Those would be temporary. The jobs lost would be far greater.”
Do you have ANY kind of proof of your “sky is falling” forecast of job losses?? IF you look at the issue properly, and take out your political rants, you can easily see NEW jobs…. NEW industry…. NEW approaches to international relations….
Chas,
Describe cap and trade and the implications on American industry.
Why dont you describe it?? I dont see it as damaging to the world economy… Rather, I see cap and trade, as expanding economic possibilities…. NEW jobs, NEW industries, NEW approaches to international reltions…
ANTI posted November 18, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Post your proof of that claim.
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Beginning of Earth up to pre-modern man.
Look at the drastic swings in global climate.
I don’t have time to find you a graph, sorry.
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And predictably, ANTI circles back to his earlier bogus claim that AGW can’t happen because Earth had natural climate changes before humans.
That’s as convincing as a young child just answering “because” over and over.
Part of AGW science is based on Earth’s earlier natural climate changes.
Chas, after a wind farm is built it takes very few people to operate one, same with solar.
A coal plant on the other hand, involves jobs at the plant, jobs dealing with fly ash, jobs at the mine, and rail road jobs. These jobs are continuous.
And predictably, ANTI circles back to his earlier bogus claim that AGW can’t happen because Earth had natural climate changes before humans.
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You must understand cosmos that I believe this is a natural cycle. Many years in the future, yes man may significantly alter climate.
The sulfur cap and trade was predicted to be very damaging — instead it had very little impact, and in some cases was even profitable.
^ Giblets ^
ANTI posted November 18, 2008 at 2:57 pm
You must understand cosmos that I believe this is a natural cycle.
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I understand that you believe that.
I also know that you have no science to refute AGW.
All that you’re doing is saying that it happened in the past, so it’s happening again now.
All that you’re doing is saying that it happened in the past, so it’s happening again now.
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LOL! That is also YOUR claim!
so it’s happening again now.
What? The temperatures falling for the last 10 years? All while CO2 has increased? Yes, I agree, it is happening now.
Global warming deniers are now irrelevant.
Global warming is now irrelevant.
Fixed.
http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/statewideresults.asp?eid=256
Holy Mackeral!
Obama is only down by 4,500 votes in Missouri.
The provisional ballots are all going his way.
You’re right, Repukes. Make it hard for people to vote, and it really is better for your side.
Obama says, “My presidency will mark a new chapter in America’s leadership on climate change.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwaGWP_xvQ8
CapnAmerica
Posted November 18, 2008 at 3:23 pm | Permalink
http://www.sos.mo.gov/enrweb/statewideresults.asp?eid=256
Holy Mackeral!
Obama is only down by 4,500 votes in Missouri.
The provisional ballots are all going his way.
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What is the most boring?
A. Being a person who has to continue to count votes in a decided election OR
B. Being a person who is still checking results in a decided election.
I vote B.
“SolDevVB” asks –
“Monkey,
Seriously, have you thought about the impact of Cap & Trade to our already declining market?”
I’m not sure what it is you’re calling “our already declining market.”
Care to spell it out?
“I want off foreign oil.”
Why’s that?
“I’d love for everyone to have an emissions free car. “
Why bother if it doesn’t matter?
“I’d love clean energy to power my house, “
Again, why shot clean energy matter if there isn’t a problem with dirty energy?
“…just as you claim the ‘right’ as fear mongerers, so do I call the warming farce alarmists.”
And if you go back to my post up-thread, you’ll notice I’m approaching the whole energy question as a Climate Change Agnostic.
I pretty much think spewing tons and tons of poison in the the air is probably not a good idea, but I’m not gonna get caught up in mots and tittles about the temperature at noon in Helsinki on February 4th, 1972.
How much poison in the air and water are you willing to accept before you think, maybe, perhaps, it might not be a good idea?
Perhaps I should show up at your place and “HLP’s” place and “Nathaniel’s” place and some of you other CONs and just piss a little bit in your cornflakes every morning. You probably won’t notice it for a while. But the more piss I put in your breakfast you might come around to thinking it’s probably not a good thing.
Or, considering how most CONs operate in the forum, maybe not.
Well,
it’s not entirely uninteresting outlander.
IF Missouri holds for McCain, it will be the first time in history that Missouri was not consistent with who wins the election.
8 yr. old initially told police he found the bodies of his father and friend, I wonder if they didn’t just coerce a confession out of him.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081118/ap_on_re_us/child_charged_6
Anybody else notice how outlander never actually posts anything?
He just cheap shots people who do actual post stuff.
Of course, outlander pretends not to be interested in Obama gaining another state.
It’s part of pretending not to be interested in the crushing loss of the CONs and the massive repudiation of his beloved President Bush.
You lost. Get over it.
Wow, ReguLIAR isn’t posting . . . and neither is JimJohnson.
Just a coincidence no doubt.
I suspect the weblog is playing whackamole with the sock puppets.
Estimated attendance for Obama’s innaugeration:
4 MILLION.
LBJ had the record with 1.2 million in 1964.
“Perhaps I should show up at your place and “HLP’s” place and “Nathaniel’s” place and some of you other CONs and just piss a little bit in your cornflakes every morning.”
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Come on over!
hehehe
On second thought, I know where you live, why don’t I come over to your place and you provide the cornflakes?
ANTI posted November 18, 2008 at 3:08 pm
All that you’re doing is saying that it happened in the past, so it’s happening again now.
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LOL! That is also YOUR claim!
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No. My claim is that it’s mostly caused by AGW.
MonkeyHawk,
Why don’t you come over and try to pee in my cornflakes?
ANTI
Posted November 18, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink
Chas, after a wind farm is built it takes very few people to operate one, same with solar.
A coal plant on the other hand, involves jobs at the plant, jobs dealing with fly ash, jobs at the mine, and rail road jobs. These jobs are continuous.
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Ummm —- It takes factories to BUILD the wind generators, and the solar panels, etc. It takes WORKERS to do those jobs…. It takes marketing people to SELL the machines… It takes Office staff of all sorts to handle the paper work…. it takes Truck drivers to transport the products to the sites… It takes construction workers to put them up, and it takes electricians to direct the output… I sort of think that involves a huge number of ONGOING workers…. Dont you??
No. My claim is that it’s mostly caused by AGW.
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Keep chasing that greased pig, Cosmos.
I’m not throwing away my coat just yet.
I sort of think that involves a huge number of ONGOING workers…. Dont you??
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What happens when the boom is over and all you are left with is a small maintenance staff?
ANTI, keep ignoring the science.
I’m glad I am not fond of cornflakes.
cosmos_originally
Posted November 18, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink
ANTI, keep ignoring the science.
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Oink, Oink! Get used to that sound Cosmos.
Damn, a THREAT (sorta) and it isnt even after dark yet!! ROFL!!!
I’ll be back later.
Break a leg, ANTI!! :-)
Chas
Posted November 18, 2008 at 5:02 pm | Permalink
Damn, a THREAT (sorta) and it isnt even after dark yet!! ROFL!!!
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?Que?
Chas
Posted November 18, 2008 at 5:02 pm | Permalink
Break a leg, ANTI!! :-)
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Already have..too many times!
Chech ya later.
“I should show up at your place and “HLP’s” place and “Nathaniel’s” place and some of you other CONs and just piss a little bit in your cornflakes every morning.”
I think someone must already be on that.
I guess I shouldn’t be all that surprised.
But it seems both “HLP” and his boy “Nathaniel” are avid urolagniates.
May your rain be always golden.
;^)
ANTI
Posted November 18, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink
I sort of think that involves a huge number of ONGOING workers…. Dont you??
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What happens when the boom is over and all you are left with is a small maintenance staff?
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I think that is the kind of a boom, that if you ignore it, you could be losing out on huge return on your investment…. Buy stock in wind generators, and solar equipment…. Should be a good retirement offset for anybody with the capital to invest….
Sort of like the Coal Boom??? Like the Energizer bunny…. still going and going…
I don’t eat cornflakes though.
I like the off brand version of lucky charms.
LOL
Hank and Nathaniel,
How does Avery’s listing of peer-reviewed scientists that AGREE with the AGW theory support his anti-AGW opinion?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/11/open-thread-1118/#comment-471201
“Nathaniel” struts –
“MonkeyHawk,
Why don’t you come over and try to pee in my cornflakes?”
I thought you didn’t eat cornflakes, boy.
I thought you ate knock-off Lucky Charms.
No matter, I’ll piss on your breakfast regardless. Since you and your
masterol’ man think spewing poison in the air is non-consequential, I’m certain it wouldn’t make any difference to you.Try to keep your lies straight, boy. It’s your only chance of not looking further like the fool you are.
‘Americans Rejected ‘Drill, Baby, Drill.’ Bush Should Respect Our Choice.‘
http://www.onearth.org/node/734
“Words alone cannot do justice to the beauty of these places, but they do capture the absurdity of the Bush plan. Oil and gas drilling in Desolation Canyon? Industrial development along the meandering Green River? The thought makes one wince.”
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http://www.utah.com/raft/rivers/desolation.htm
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CapnAmerica
Posted November 18, 2008 at 4:34 pm | Permalink
Wow, ReguLIAR isn’t posting . . . and neither is JimJohnson.
Just a coincidence no doubt.
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lots of medical appoints, pharmacy runs etc.
I know where I was, don’t know about Mr. Johnson.
MonkeyHawk,
You don’t have the balls to come piss in my breakfast bowl and if you did, you wouldn’t after you were done.
Should we generalize from this?
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/601734.html
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – State officials on Tuesday took into protective custody 21 children associated with an evangelical group whose founder faces federal child sex charges.
The children, all younger than 18 and part of the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries, were taken while custody hearings were being held for six girls seized during a September raid of Alamo’s compound in Fouke, in southwest Arkansas. The court must decide whether the girls should be returned to their parents or remain in state care.
Authorities took three children into custody Tuesday at the courthouse in Texarkana, 130 miles southwest of Little Rock. Police seized the other 18 children from two vans during a traffic stop, said Julie Munsell, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Human Services. She said she didn’t know why the children were in the vans or where they were headed, and she declined to elaborate on the court order, which cites allegations of neglect and physical abuse as the reason for the seizures.
On Monday, a 14-year-old girl taken by the state during the September raid testified that Alamo molested her, counted a number of young girls as his wives, and coached her and others to say they weren’t touched improperly or beaten.
She said Alamo crept up behind her while she was showering, held his hand over her mouth and sexually molested her. She said Alamo warned her to keep quiet, saying if she didn’t, she’d be beaten by a man who witnesses have described as Alamo’s enforcer.
Nathaniel,
How does Avery’s listing of peer-reviewed scientists that AGREE with the AGW theory support his anti-AGW opinion?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/11/open-thread-1118/#comment-471201
Cosmos,
Because he probably highlighted certain of the studies or writings by those scientists which were in contradiction to AGW.
Generalize Ben? That’s really classy…
Used to think you were above that kind of smear, guess not…
Nathaniel posted November 18, 2008 at 6:00 pm
“Because he probably highlighted certain of the studies or writings by those scientists which were in contradiction to AGW.”
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Nope!
Natural events like solar fluctuations and D-O are NOT in “contradiction to AGW”.
Try again, Nathaniel. . .
Regular – I was simply asking a question. Should one generalize from such an example? That is all I did – ask the question. I did not generalize to anything.
Posted November 18, 2008 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
Regular – I was simply asking a question. Should one generalize from such an example? That is all I did – ask the question. I did not generalize to anything.
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Yeah right…
You were hoping for a supportable response.
Why don’t you make a claim that all male Christians are child molesters and be done with it.
You know you want to say it, just so you can score some political and blog points.
If you didn’t want to say, then why bring up putrid innuendo in the first place?
Cosmos,
Sure they are, if they are what is causing the warming.
Ben,
Just like you never could come right out and say that you thought the attack on the Marines was a legitimate attack and not a terrorist one.
You kept defending the notion and “trying” to provide evidence for it, but never would just admit what you thought.
“Why don’t you make a claim that all male Christians are child molesters and be done with it.”
Because it would not be a true statement. My point – which went over your head – was that others who do generalize (for example about gays or Muslims) are making the same mistake.
Nathaniel posted November 18, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Sure they are, if they are what is causing the warming.
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They are not causing the warming.
Cosmos,
And neither are we.
Tell me this Cosmos, of all the “greenhouse gases” how much do we contribute vs what is contributed by nature?
Do you even know?
Nathaniel posted November 18, 2008 at 6:45 pm
And neither are we.
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And what is your proof of that?
Nathaniel: Tell me this Cosmos, of all the “greenhouse gases” how much do we contribute vs what is contributed by nature?
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What matters is how much the levels have risen, because the natural “sinks” are unable to remove what humans have “contributed”.
SPM
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
The global atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased from a pre-industrial value of about 280 ppm to 379 ppm3 in 2005. The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide in 2005 exceeds by far the natural range over the last 650,000 years (180 to 300 ppm) as determined from ice cores.
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The global atmospheric concentration of methane has increased from a pre-industrial value of about 715 ppb to 1732 ppb in the early 1990s, and was 1774 ppb in 2005. The atmospheric concentration of methane in 2005 exceeds by far the natural range of the last 650,000 years (320 to 790 ppb) as determined from ice cores.
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The global atmospheric nitrous oxide concentration increased from a pre-industrial value of about 270 ppb to 319 ppb in 2005.
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See SPM for halocarbons, and radiative forcings. More details in the chapters.
Can’t answer the question I see.
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bth
Posted November 18, 2008 at 6:29 pm | Permalink
“Why don’t you make a claim that all male Christians are child molesters and be done with it.”
Because it would not be a true statement. My point – which went over your head – was that others who do generalize (for example about gays or Muslims) are making the same mistake.
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Nice try, but you were simply going for ’shock’ and was hoping some one else would join in on your misguided analogy.
Because it would not be a true statement. My point – which went over your head – was that others who do generalize (for example about gays or Muslims) are making the same mistake.
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Interesting point, Ben. I can’t recall any specific examples of the generalizations about gays and Muslims being made on this BLOG. Can you?
“Should be a good retirement offset for anybody with the capital to invest….”
Retirement “offset”?????
Chas, admit you are in way over your head. Stick to asking folks “paper or plastic” at Dillions, and maybe getting the eggs/bread on top.
And perhaps lighting the candles as an alterboy.
Please. We know.
Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich has defeated Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, giving Democrats 58 seats in the Senate.
Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich has defeated Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, giving Democrats 58 seats in the Senate.
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Well there is one state that knows not to re-elect felons!
Phew!
THAT means there will be NO Senator Sarah Palin.
Alaska?
The Senate and millions upon millions of Americans thank you.
And, no more pork for Palin!
From electoral-vote.com
“The Minnesota Senate race is so close (Coleman is ahead by 206 votes) that a recount is required by law. Back in the old days, a recount meant that county officials went and counted the votes again. Nowadays it means it’s lawyer time. Both Al Franken (D) and Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) are preparing for court fights over absentee ballots where the voter or a county official made some clerical error on the envelope. The election could hinge on how these court cases turn out. On the one hand, the law says that a vote lacking a full address is invalid, so an absentee ballot without a zip code is invalid. On the other hand, Minnesota law is designed to count every vote if the intent of the voter can be determied, which argues against discarding ballots on minor technical grounds (no zip code, signed on the wrong line, etc.), when everything else is perfectly in order. Hundreds of absentee ballots have been voided for reasons like this and what happens to them may determine the outcome of the election.
The intent to count every vote would tend to trump a missing zip code. A ballot with a missing zip code STILL made it through the mail.
Of course, no one can know how these uncounted ballots trend. I DO know that the right is extremely nervous.
I’m thinking Franken pulls it out. Like the song says….
“Never saw things, going so right.”
That would be 59 Senate Dems. Beat Saxby in Georgia and it’s one Happy Holiday season!
Now, if Coleman will only lose.
With Iraq taking care of the “war” vote, maybe with Lieberman and McCain they’ll have 60 votes before the last two races are decided.
Stick it to em Grassley:
Grassley Seeks Probe of Tax Ruling Before Wachovia Takeover
By Ryan J. Donmoyer
Nov. 15 (Bloomberg) — Iowa Senator Charles Grassley said a tax ruling that helped Wells Fargo & Co. buy Wachovia Corp. raises concerns about “preferential treatment” for Wachovia, which is headed by former Treasury Department Undersecretary Robert Steel.
In a letter sent to Treasury Inspector General Eric Thorson, Grassley asked for an investigation into the Internal Revenue Service ruling because it would let Wells Fargo shelter about $74 billion from U.S. taxes and ensure top Wachovia executives collect golden-parachute severance payments.
“The facts and circumstances surrounding the issuance of the notice, particularly as it relates to Wells Fargo’s purchase of Wachovia Corporation, raises concerns about the independence of the decision makers,” Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, wrote. The lawmaker asked Thorson to review all documents and communication related to the notice, especially records of contacts between Treasury Department and bank officials.
Mccain’s a RINO, and Lieberman is coming back to the fold after ensuring a defeat for Mccain.
That’s what I meant, but you said it better. ;-) I was (kinda) joking but I honestly I don’t see 60 votes being much of a problem.
Greenhouse gases – we are going to tax your pigs and cattle. Got to save the world from emissions and your tax dollars will do it.
http://www.wyfb.org/NewsFeeds.aspx?file=Links/NWS281b9276fe1f.htm&ID=530&from=front
Now if only the Democrats would stop electing felons to represent them.
Nathaniel posted November 18, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Can’t answer the question I see.
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Nathaniel can’t understand the obvious point I made earlier.
The percentage of human vs natural production of GHG’s would be irrelevant, if nature could “sink” the full amount produced by humans. Nature couldn’t, and the levels rose sharply.
Also, there is no natural production of halocarbons, SF6, and some other gases.
Nathaniel posted November 18, 2008 at 6:45 pm
And neither are we.
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And where is your proof of that?
Cosmos,
I am still waiting for your proof that we are causing AGW.
It is not my job to prove the negative.
Still chasing that greased pig, eh Cosmos?
Pharmacy runs?
Regular says he’s too disabled to drive and now he’s fine to run to the pharmacy . . . odd, isn’t it.
Capn’A,
Did you teach English in China? Serious question.
Don’t bother, Cosmos.
If a person believes that the earth is only 10,000 years old contrary to literally tons of data, you’re never going to convince that person with scientific evidence.
Nathan simply rejects what he finds inconvenient to believe.
It’s why he loves Bush so much–same kind of magical thinking.
Nathaniel posted November 18, 2008 at 10:20 pm
I am still waiting for your proof that we are causing AGW.
It is not my job to prove the negative.
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Actually it is, since you claimed that it’s a natural cycle, not AGW.
And read the reports here,
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
Chapter 7 covers the GHG’s, since you seem to be interested in that.
Cosmos,
Actually it isn’t.
CapnAmerica,
It is really sad, that the only thing you can do in any discussion is point out that I am a YEC. You only continue to show your complete inability to hold your own in most discussions with me.
You are an intellectual fraud.
Also funny, that you talk about my simply rejecting things I disagree with, when that is what you do with the majority of the Bible.
LOL
American_Way
Posted November 18, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink
“Should be a good retirement offset for anybody with the capital to invest….”
Retirement “offset”?????
Chas, admit you are in way over your head. Stick to asking folks “paper or plastic” at Dillions, and maybe getting the eggs/bread on top.
And perhaps lighting the candles as an alterboy.
Please. We know.
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Obviously, AmWay knows NOTHING of retirement investments… An investment in Wind Generator and Solar panel corps, would make a great investment to offset a pension, or 401K, or even IRA….
I dont work for Dillons, idiot… Havent been an Altar Boy since I was 17….
So, why dont you go stuff it, or else continue to show your total ignorance!!
Better yet, do some study/research before you post stupid junk at other posters who are making serious contributions…. might be good for your itellect (if you have any left)
Geez, AmWay cant even spell Altarboy
Nathaniel,
Are you admitting that you can’t explain the warming trend since the mid-1970’s?
If so, thank you for admitting that you can’t defend your opinion that the warming is “natural”.
Just trying to offer up the peace pipe Capn’A, but I understand if you do not want to discuss China.
Wow.
I go out for dinner and a movie and find “HLP” stalking me –
“I know where you live….”
…and “Nathaniel” fixating on my crotch –
“You don’t have the balls to come piss in my breakfast bowl and if you did, you wouldn’t after you were done.”
My, my…
Sex in the Shower
In a recent survey people from Detroit and Chicago have proved to be the most likely to have had sex in the shower!
In the survey, 86% of Detroit’s and Chicago’s inner city residents (almost all of whom are registered Democrats) said that they have enjoyed sex in the shower.
The other 14% said they hadn’t been to prison yet.
Ha, ha, ha!!!
Boxlock20
Posted November 18, 2008 at 10:56 pm | Permalink
Sex in the Shower
In a recent survey people from Detroit and Chicago have proved to be the most likely to have had sex in the shower!
In the survey, 86% of Detroit’s and Chicago’s inner city residents (almost all of whom are registered Democrats) said that they have enjoyed sex in the shower.
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It can be fun, but remember folks if she falls or you slip…..pain is going to occur to one of ya!!
Broken leg #2.
Not fair Boxlock, I am neither Dim and I haven’t been to prison….But I also have not lived in Detroit’s or Chicago’s inner city.
“I go out for dinner and a movie and find “HLP” stalking me –
“I know where you live….””
If this brings you any grief Monkeyhawk, I know where Hank lives.
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CapnAmerica
Posted November 18, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink
Pharmacy runs?
Regular says he’s too disabled to drive and now he’s fine to run to the pharmacy . . . odd, isn’t it.
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Not that it’s any of your business at all, but I do have friends and family to help me out time to time with such things.
Capn’A,
Did you teach English in China? Serious question.
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No. I worked for a consortium for foreign exchange.
That’s all the more specific I’m going to get because I’ve seen what you CONs do once you get ahold of a man’s profession.
cf. Chas
BTW, I don’t know what the Chinese love affair with English is.
They’re hiring every native-speaker of English they can find to staff their language institutes and university programs with the end result that they’ve got more people studying English than people who speak English in the English speaking world.
It’s crazy. These people all think it’s their ticket to the big-time and it’s a ticket to nowhere.
No. I worked for a consortium for foreign exchange.
That’s all the more specific I’m going to get because I’ve seen what you CONs do once you get ahold of a man’s profession.
cf. Chas
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That is fine. I just asked because I knew a guy that was in China & Taiwan in the early 80’s and again in the 90’s teaching English.
Nathaniel
Posted November 18, 2008 at 10:33 pm | Permalink
CapnAmerica,
It is really sad, that the only thing you can do in any discussion is point out that I am a YEC. You only continue to show your complete inability to hold your own in most discussions with me.
You are an intellectual fraud.
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Nathan is an intellectual fraud. He is an Young Earth Creationist. He must not be able to graduate from WSU because of his 8th century beliefs. Nathan, I will hire a lawyer and petition the Board of Regents to make sure that you can’t graduate from a Kansas University, given your very deeply flawed belief systems.
Practically all the foreigners I met there were teaching English . . . or they were missionaries in China under the cover of teaching English.
There are a lot of jobs for people who want to teach English in China.
I wouldn’t call them good jobs, but they are jobs . . .
They’re hiring every native-speaker of English they can find to staff their language institutes and university programs with the end result that they’ve got more people studying English than people who speak English in the English speaking world.
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That was his take as well.
Nathan would be the perfect case to test this silly ass notion. Bring it on…
Nathan writes, “You only continue to show your complete inability to hold your own in most discussions with me.”
Heh, another example of wanting to believe something so it must be true . . .
I wouldn’t call them good jobs, but they are jobs . ================
The fella I knew loved it there, except for the politics….He was about 6′8″ so he felt like a god. He was also the kinda guy that was happy with having very few things. He said most of the people were very gracious and kind, something not common here.
The Wall Street Journal once did a piece entitled, “The Japanese–World’s Most Polite People . . . or the Rudest?”
That’s the feeling I had in China. I some ways people you know are extremely polite–even to the point that they lie to you (in ways we wouldn’t) to make you feel better.
In other situations, like trying to get a room at a hotel, they don’t care if you live or die. You know they have rooms. They know you know they have rooms, but damned if they’re going to let you stay in one.
You have to wear them down for about an hour before they give a room. It’s ridiculous.
Capn’A, there are A-holes world wide.
The Japs, I have never come to grips with why they are fascinated by our culture.
I suppose theirs and ours are similar in that you have tradition mixed with “that is some crazy sh*t right there!”.
I am done for tonight. Good night.
Well . . . it’s part of the “iron rice bowl” mentality.
They get paid whether they work or not.
So . . . why work?
(And, no, this doesn’t have anything to do with helping poor people in America so don’t start with that, please.)
I’m sure that a lot of free-market incentives have been put into place since I was there 25 years ago.
They couldn’t have hosted the Olympics with the hotel and tourist system they had back then.
Monkeyhawk… Hank has tried that “I know where you live” routine before… makes him feel like a big shot… He really only knows where he, and Mary, and Nathan live.. And Mary appears to be a neighbor…