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Evolution of the jaw from Pharyngula:
What do you know…just last week, I posted an article dismissing a creationist’s misconceptions about pharyngeal organization and development, in which he asks about the evidence for similarities between agnathan and gnathostome jaws, and what comes along but a new paper on the molecular evidence for the origin of the jaw, which describes gene expression in the lamprey pharynx. How timely! And as a plus, it contains several very clear summary diagrams to show how all the bits and pieces and molecules relate to one another.
The short summary is that there is a suite of genes (the Hox and Dlx genes, which define a cartesian coordinate system for the branchial arch elements, Fgf8/Dlx1 genes that establish proximal jaw elements, and Bmp4/Msx1 genes that demarcate more distal elements) that are found in both lampreys and vertebrates in similar patterns and roles, and that vertebrate upper and lower jaws are homologous to the upper and lower “lips” of the lamprey oral supporting apparatus.
More of the article written by an actual evolutionary biologist (not some scientific illiterate creationist wackjob who can’t do real science) at:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/03/evolution_of_the_jaw.php
Ksfarmgrrl: At this time, Sunday just after 7 AM, the Moon is waning or reducing from Full at about 85% … moving on its approximate 28 1/2 day cycle back to another Full moon in December.
I notice in the Almanac, the November Full moon is known as either the Full beaver moon or the Full frosty moon, take your choice.
A part of the Moon’s geometry that has always interested me is how to explain the Moon’s trajectory around the Earth at any given time. It changes a lot. The geometry involves the 23.5 degree tilt of the Earth, the lessor tilt of the Moon (something like 3 degrees as I recall), and the Celestial and Eliptic equators of the Earth. As I recall the explanation, the Moon revolves around the Earth’s celestial equator (in a plane with the line from the Earth to the Sun).
So, to us Earth beings, the Full moon (or any moon phase) can rise and set in a broad arc along the east and west horizons of the Earth.
The main thing is we have the Moon to provide a nightly change. Some planets don’t such as Mercury and Venus. Mars has two small moons, Phobos and Diemos.
So thank our Great Intelligence in the Sky on this crisp November Sunday morning.
Well, I might as well fire it up early.
Hey Regular:
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Regular
Posted November 15, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink
I ain’t arranging squat until I get better. Still have weeks of physical and visual therapy to do and I can’t drive in my condition anyway.
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A while back, you predicted that something bad was going to happen to me. In fact, you suggested that I should die.
Looks like your bad karma came back on you.
It was one of those incidents that cause me to think further on the subject. The day after the election and I heard the “N” word more often then I had in the last ten years. These were hard working whites and never had I heard them say anything that is racist before.
But one comment stood out these many days later, “Well maybe if I quit my job, go on welfare and buy an expensive car to drive. Maybe in a few hundred years I will have someone whom will represent me too!”.
These were members of the white working poor, not a bunch of skin heads or drunks setting around in a dank bar. All those within ear shot gave an agreeing nod to his comment which begs the question. If they feel they have not someone in the last few hundred years to represent them in either party. Who would or could? Bush’s appeal was said to be that he was someone that many felt they could set and have a beer with. Is that whom would represent them? They feel they are without a representation failing to have color or cash to buy some with.
If Republicans in the U.S. Senate ever secretly hoped for one of their own to lose an election, it might be Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska, who’s in a cliffhanger of a race with Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich.
On Tuesday, Stevens, who was convicted on corruption charges last month, will return to the Senate for what may be the most uncomfortable vote of not only his career, but that of his fellow Republican senators. They’ll be asked to decide in a secret, behind-closed-doors vote, whether to oust the 40-year veteran senator from the Senate’s Republican conference, stripping him of his committee assignments and ending his vote on party matters.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/55960.html
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Hard choice for Republicans. Stevens is a real stinker and needs to go. As close as the election in Alaska is, count on lawsuits and recounts no matter who comes out on top.
GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE
The world has never seen such freezing heat
A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore’s chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.
This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China’s official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its “worst snowstorm ever”. In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.
So what explained the anomaly? GISS’s computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.
The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs – run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious “hockey stick” graph – GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new “hotspot” in the Arctic – in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.
A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control over the data it was supplied with. This is an astonishing admission: the figures published by Dr Hansen’s institute are not only one of the four data sets that the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) relies on to promote its case for global warming, but they are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.
If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far outweigh any damage they had done themselves.)
Yet last week’s latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen’s methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.
Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising “very much faster” than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.
Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world’s governments to embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us all pause for thought.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml
I thought outie was leaving the blog?
Hey Writerdog, good to see you!
“If they feel they have not someone in the last few hundred years to represent them in either party. Who would or could? Bush’s appeal was said to be that he was someone that many felt they could set and have a beer with. Is that whom would represent them? They feel they are without a representation failing to have color or cash to buy some with.”
Why do I just think these are the same guys who wanted to burn Michelle Obama to the ground because she said for the first time she was proud of America?
I see a lot of similarities. Both feel/felt unrepresented.
Kinda like I do.
“I thought outie was leaving the blog?”
Yeah that is what he said. For about the fifteenth time.
But we are finding out every day every way that the word of a con is worth less than nothing.
True dat, JR. True dat.
I still havent gotten an answer to my question as to what church blesses those lies and the lying liars who tell them?
And they wonder why we call them hypocrits. Hehehehe. AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH.
Ya know, I also havent gotten an answer to my question about god burning down southern california, orange county in particular, because california passed prop 8.
Where is pat robertson, where is hagee, where is falwell (oh, we know where he is) when ya need them to explain such things?
nitwits
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Posted November 16, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink
I thought outie was leaving the blog?
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Should we maybe assign someone to hold the door open for these dispirited Cons?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted November 16, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink
Ya know, I also havent gotten an answer to my question about god burning down southern california, orange county in particular, because california passed prop 8.
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Sometimes bad karma comes back around and bites you on the a$$. Maybe Cali got bit?
By now I’ve heard lots of Dems and Libs telling us to “get over it” when it came to obamas election. Wonder when the same are gonna start telling those against Prop 8, to GET OVER IT?
Nope can’t do that, that would entail dropping the Dems much loved double standard.
EVERYONE has rights, but ONLY if they agree with ME.
Sounds like a bunch of surrender monkeys:
“The total withdrawal will be completed by December 31, 2011. This is not governed by circumstances on the ground. This date is specific and final,” cabinet spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.
He said the pact was supported by 27 of 28 cabinet members who attended a meeting to vote on it. Nine were not present.
Dabbagh said most major factions in parliament had indicated their support. Deputy parliament speaker Khaled al-Attiya said a first reading would be held in the chamber on Monday.
The draft would place the U.S. force in Iraq — which now numbers about 150,000 — under the authority of the Iraqi government for the first time, replacing a mandate enacted by the U.N. Security Council after the U.S. invasion.
It calls for U.S. forces to leave the streets of Iraq’s towns and villages by the middle of next year. Dabbagh said U.S. forces would hand over their bases to Iraq during the course of 2009 and would lose the authority to raid Iraqi homes without an order from an Iraqi judge and permission of the government.
A U.S. embassy spokeswoman called the cabinet’s endorsement “an important and positive step.”
With the government’s backing, passage in parliament seems likely although not assured. Followers of anti-American Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr oppose the pact, and the largest Sunni Arab bloc says it wants it put to a referendum.
I’m just curious what happened to regular exactly?
Did he have a stroke?
Second, I’ve determined that since my ‘religion’ says that thou shalt not kill then I also have the right to determine who can own a gun, which is nobody based on those commandments.
So I can take your rights based on my biblical beliefs. Horray! Now we can all live in peace and harmony.
What a conundrum for those anti-gay, pro-gun guys huh?
Political_mama
Posted November 16, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
Second, I’ve determined that since my ‘religion’ says that thou shalt not kill then I also have the right to determine who can own a gun, which is nobody based on those commandments.
Actually, it says “Thou shall not murder” if you want to get technical. Shooting someone in self-defense isn’t murder.
P-Mom, there are a lot of gun owners like me who don’t sit around waiting for an excuse to blow somebody’s head off. I collect and I target shoot. I’m too soft-hearted to hunt.
“I also have the right to determine who can own a gun”
No you don’t, thank God.
generaston
Posted November 16, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink
By now I’ve heard lots of Dems and Libs telling us to “get over it” when it came to obamas election. Wonder when the same are gonna start telling those against Prop 8, to GET OVER IT?
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Gene, your logic never ceases to amaze me. It must really suck to be a loser.
Sure I can, since your gun could damage my life, and because God says you shouldn’t kill…(depends on the variant you use), also it doesn’t say you shouldn’t kill people- so I’m going to apply that to animals as well. No hunting, we’ll all be vegetarians.
Using the bible for the basis of limiting rights in our country is fun!
Boxlock20
Posted November 16, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink
BlueJay
Posted November 15, 2008 at 11:39 pm. Last Open Thread
“Boxlock didn’t fail to show up, Boxlock never intended too”
“Debatable.
But not to Bawksalot’s advantage.
He is either a calculating liar or a coward.”
But not a fool, as are you! I say again; My ego and my confidence in myself are such that I NEED NEVER issue childish school yard challenges to others as you have on repeated occasion, NOR do I feel any obligation to accept them. As you BJ so obviously do.
To have shown up would have accomplished nothing, and as I have said, it is foolish to enter into anything that can yield no benefit. You issued that silly challenge for your own benefit, not mine or anyone Else’s in spite of what you pretend.
To have declined would simply have invited the same accusations of fear, EXACTLY like you and your fellow jackals have been entertaining your simple minds with now.
Now BJ, you call it whatever you need to to protect that fragile ego, go ahead lie to yourself.
The fact remains; you made a childish dare to meet. I, realizing there was nothing good to come of it decided to teach you and others so immature and gullible a lesson, and I have done precisely that as clearly evidenced by the unending chatter you and others of your character are putting out. Take heart in knowing there are a few showing themselves to be the childish idiots you showed yourself to be, so…you are not entirely alone.
I am humored at how much I accomplished showing not only you but some of your fellow children how ridiculously juvenile you all are.
BJ, was it cold standing in front of Dillions all that time….did ya miss lunch, did you learn anything or remain the grown child you were.
Boxlock20
Posted November 16, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink
Bye the way BJ, while you were standing in a parking lot in the cold I remained working at home, receiving and making calls to promote my company, to help my customers and to provide income for my family.
Now who’s the fool or coward???
It’s pretty clear to all here if they are honest and not simply a member of the jackal pack.
The night we waved goodbye to America… our last best hope on EarthLast updated at 5:57 PM on 10th November 2008
“Anyone would think we had just elected a hip, skinny and youthful replacement for God, with a plan to modernise Heaven and Hell – or that at the very least John Lennon had come back from the dead.
The swooning frenzy over the choice of Barack Obama as President of the United States must be one of the most absurd waves of self-deception and swirling fantasy ever to sweep through an advanced civilisation. At least Mandela-worship – its nearest equivalent – is focused on a man who actually did something.
I really don’t see how the Obama devotees can ever in future mock the Moonies, the Scientologists or people who claim to have been abducted in flying saucers. This is a cult like the one which grew up around Princess Diana, bereft of reason and hostile to facts. ”
“These strengths had been fading for some time, mainly due to poorly controlled mass immigration and to the march of political correctness. They had also been weakened by the failure of America’s conservative party – the Republicans – to fight on the cultural and moral fronts.
They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts. And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084111/PETER-HITCHENS-The-night-waved-goodbye-America–best-hope-Earth.html
Peter Hitchins, brother of Christopher Hitchens, writes that we are viewed by the conservatives as a nation of dupes. Could he be right?
Boxlock20
Posted November 16, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink
and as I have said, it is foolish to enter into anything that can yield no benefit.
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Then why are you here, Boxlock? Since your posts “yield no benefit”, doesn’t that make you a fool by your own definition?
Boxlock speaks:
baaaaaaaaawwwwwwkkkkkk bawk bawk bbbbaaaaaaawwwwwwkkkkkkk!!!!
boxlock = bbbaaaawwwwwkkkkkkssssslock.
okobserver
Posted November 16, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink
The night we waved goodbye to America… our last best hope on EarthLast updated at 5:57 PM on 10th November 2008
“Anyone would think we had just elected a hip, skinny and youthful replacement for God, with a plan to modernise Heaven and Hell – or that at the very least John Lennon had come back from the dead.
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Okobserver, I think you mistake relief for some kind of worship. America along with the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. An 8-year nightmare is almost over.
The Republican/NeoCon experiment is finished and is being relegated to the dustbin of history. The Republican party and it’s guiding principals have been soundly rejected.
Let’s recap. Before Bush, we had peace, prosperity, and a small surplus. The Bush administration has brought us an attack on the homeland, 2 wars, a 33% expansion of government, doubled the national debt, and brought us to the brink of financial collapse.
You need to understand; after that sorry SOB Bush, Obama looks pretty good.
Okobserver, I think you mistake relief for some kind of worship. America along with the rest of the world is breathing a sigh of relief. An 8-year nightmare is almost over.
XXX obviously ‘the rest of the world’ isn’t breathing a sign of relief. This is the top conservative columnist in the UK.
And XXX lets be honest. The many deeds you attribute to Bush just aint so. Honesty is important at this point in our country.
I am hoping that Obama is successful beyond his wildest dreams. My countries future is at stake.
Whining on TWO threads Bawksalot?
Self affirmation and reassurance in stereo?
CLEARLY you think some ’splainin is in order and are you are overtime on the case.
Good luck with that. Tall task. And it will keep you otherwise occupied and not bringing your usual hoaxes and lies here.
XXX says Let’s recap. Before Bush, we had peace, prosperity, and a small surplus. The Bush administration has brought us an attack on the homeland, 2 wars, a 33% expansion of government, doubled the national debt, and brought us to the brink of financial collapse
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Before Bush we had the Kobar Towers, the USS Cole, embassy bombings and we did nothing.
Before Bush we had a chance to take out Osama Bin Laden and we did nothing.
Before Bush we had never faced an unprovoked attack on our homeland of the magnitude of 911.
Before Bush we didn’t need to have a Nation Homeland Security division.
Before Bush we never faced national disasters of the magniture of Katrina and Rita.
Before Bush we had many in the gov that turned their heads the other way when warned of the collaspe of the mortgage world if Fannie and Freddie were allowed to continue as they were. Watters, Franks, Dodd, and others rose up to defend them and one lone voice in 2006 said if we don’t do something now we are in trouble. That voice was John McCain.
Now this is history but if we refuse to understand and learn from our history we are doomed to repeat it.
History writers will treat Bush much more kindly than we as a nation did. That has already started. Our future is how we move forward.
okobserver
Posted November 16, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink
And XXX lets be honest. The many deeds you attribute to Bush just aint so. Honesty is important at this point in our country.
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Bush and Republicans created the environment that allowed this to happen. Yes, honesty is important. So is responsibility. And the reality is, Bush and Republicans have left this country in a hell of a mess. Isn’t it about time you Republicans took responsibility for the mess you’ve made?
You make your living exploiting prison labor okobserver. I have little doubt the bush administration has been veddy veddy good for you.
I see you didn’t answer the question XXX, just made a snarky comment but didn’t respond with a logical statement.
“Bye the way BJ, while you were standing in a parking lot in the cold I remained working at home”
That’s yet another lie.
Look at his midday posts over on the gay marriage thread on Friday.
He noted numerous times he had “an appointment across town”. Then before he left the house, to “prove” something, who knows what, he sent HIMSELF a “time stamped” email to “prove” he never intended to meet JR.
WTF?
Both cant be true. Either you were home, and lying about leaving the house for an appointment, or you never had an appointment and were indeed at home lurking here.
Funny stuff.
He still hasnt answered about WHICH church it is that supports his lies and deceit.
And I think it’s really funny that NOW he says there was no good to come of it? Heheh. HAHAHAHA.
So.. why did you agree to it in the first place? Contrary to your over the top protests, your weenie out approach makes JR look GOOD and makes you look like the lying weenie you are!
I bet he agreed, then thought about it, then “siht” his pants, wet the bed, and started his lists of excuses.
WHO TF sends THEMSELVES an email to prove something?
heheheh. AHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAAHAH.
Too funny. JR, you pwned him.
You are delusional if you think the world isn’t happy we elected Obama!
You are delusional to think that Bush was a good president too!
Even your beloved Bob Dole is speaking out about how horribly wrong the conservatives have become.
http://www.saljournal.com/news/story/Tom-s-dole-edit-for-Sunday–Nov–16–2008
Bush and Republicans created the environment that allowed this to happen. Yes, honesty is important. So is responsibility. And the reality is, Bush and Republicans have left this country in a hell of a mess. Isn’t it about time you Republicans took responsibility for the mess you’ve made?
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XXX what was that environment. I never said the republicans didn’t share the responsibility for some of what has happened. I did say that if the libs hand Obama a built in excuse for what might happen then he will use that as his crutch.
Lets start out by expecting him to do more. To be positive in what he does. Yes you are right in some ways – the US is in a hell of a mess, like Carter left it when he left, like LBJ left it when he left, even Clinton left it in a recession when he left – there is a trend here you see. That is why we change prez’s and parties on a pretty regular basis.
Gene:
Prop 8 is unconstitutional and must NOT be “gotten over”. Actions are being taken to overturn the illegal law and to remove the tax exempt status of churches that use their status to become defacto political operations.
“You make your living exploiting prison labor okobserver.”
I doubt it JR. I think “she”, like bigotbox, is just another sock in the drawer.
mxyzptlk, did you see the mulitpage complaint that’s been filed against the Mormon church for electioneering in violation of their tax exempt status?
Next up? The catholic church.
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Posted November 16, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink
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Before Bush we had the Kobar Towers, the USS Cole, embassy bombings and we did nothing.
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During Bush, we had 9/11. We’ve accomplished nothing. The people who planned 9/11 are still at large. All we have to show for 9/11 is a war that has driven our economy into the ground.
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Before Bush we had a chance to take out Osama Bin Laden and we did nothing.
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Bush looked under the couch and behind the drapes and didn’t find Bin Laden, either. After all these years, we still don’t have Bin Laden.
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Before Bush we had never faced an unprovoked attack on our homeland of the magnitude of 911.
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Let’s not forget that 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch.
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Before Bush we didn’t need to have a Nation Homeland Security division.
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Is that really the point you want to make?
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Before Bush we never faced national disasters of the magniture of Katrina and Rita.
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Um, that would mean that Hurricane Carla, Andrew never happened? How about the Oakland quake? There have been and always will be natural disasters. It’s how we handle them that counts. “Heck of a job, Brownie”, anyone?
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Before Bush we had many in the gov that turned their heads the other way when warned of the collaspe of the mortgage world if Fannie and Freddie were allowed to continue as they were. Watters, Franks, Dodd, and others rose up to defend them and one lone voice in 2006 said if we don’t do something now we are in trouble. That voice was John McCain.
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That would be John McCain, the loser? Collaborator? The guy who got less that half of the electorial votes that Obama got?
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Now this is history but if we refuse to understand and learn from our history we are doomed to repeat it.
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Something we agree on.
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History writers will treat Bush much more kindly than we as a nation did. That has already started.
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I want some of what you’re smoking, LOL!
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Our future is how we move forward.
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Indeed. And we’re moving forward sans Republican leadership (oxymoron).
Pmom if you really read the article I posted you will see that Peter Hitchen said and I agree with him – that conservatives stopped standing for what had made them powerful in the past. We changed and we need to go back to our roots.
He said that we were the last hope of a crumbling world. ” And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth.”
Does this sound like the rest of the world agreed with our election?
“Using the bible for the basis of limiting rights in our country is fun!”
Heheheh Pmom.
I’m still waiting on that constitutional amendment to ban divorce and make adultry punishable by death.
Yes. Churches should not be allowed tax exempt status if and when they become PACs. The Catholic Church with all the property it owns would be a particularly welcome addition to the property tax rolls.
“Does this sound like the rest of the world agreed with our election?”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Uh, it sounds like Peter Hitchens, (brother of christopher hitchens) didnt agree with our election.
I hardly think he speaks for “the rest of the world”.
I guess grmie was crying too hard on election night and the day after to see all the joy around the world that the news programs presented.
Prop 8 can NOT be unconstituional IF the majority of the voters wish to change the constitution. If the Feds have such a problem with it then let them withhold any Fed money from the state. Until then the majority of the citizens of the state want the constitution changed to reflect their vote.
By the way XXX, this question is still out there for you.
Why was it okay to invade a country that didn’t attack us but then it was not okay to invade a country that didn’t attack us?
“The Catholic Church with all the property it owns would be a particularly welcome addition to the property tax rolls.”
Well, ya know, they are pretty savvy lawbreakers.
It was through the K of C that they did most of their electioneering. The KofC was the LARGEST funder of the hate amendment campaign in Kansas.
Connecticut, in fact was where that money came from. But of course gail finney and her merry band of bigots didnt have a mumblin’ word to say about THAT out of state money, or the catholic church “buying” an election.
Come to think of it, NO DEMOCRATIC OFFICIALS in Kansas had a freakin’ thing to say about all that out of state money buying that election.
And besides, right now, the assets of the catholic church are largely pledged to pay off the victims of priest molestation.
Such holy men indeed. They have SUCH standing to tell anyone else how to live…
Gene unfortunately the attempt to have a rational discussion on this blog is limited by the mental age of the lib contributors.
Prop 8 failed because the citizens of CA didn’t want same sex marriage. It was a clear victory. Elections are held on a regular basis and there is usually a clear winner and loser – unless you are running for a senate seat in Minnesota and you have to wait for everyone to clear out their car trunks so the election can be certified legal.
There are some liberals that can discuss rationally. They must all be at church this morning.
“Prop 8 can NOT be unconstituional IF the majority of the voters wish to change the constitution.”
The “majority of voters” at the time also approved Jim Crow laws and laws that sanctioned “separate but equal”.
The Supreme Court declared those laws unconstitutional, just like they will this one.
AFTER obama makes his appointments to SCOTUS.
All young people, I hope. That way they can torment wingnuts and bigots for the next, oh, forty or fifty years…
As grmie likes to say, “elections have consequenses”. Like keeping a majority of SCOTUS sane people, and keeping abortion legal for the forseeable future.
heheheh. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Time is NOT on your side.
Prop 8 is NOT a Constitutional Amendment. It’s a law and as such can be challenged in court.
“unless you are running for a senate seat in Minnesota and you have to wait for everyone to clear out their car trunks so the election can be certified legal.”
Hannity hoax alert!
BlueJay sings…
When will they ever learn?
“For example, there was Friday night’s announcement by Minneapolis’s director of elections that she’d forgotten to count 32 absentee ballots in her car. The Coleman campaign scrambled to get a county judge to halt the counting of these absentees, since it was impossible to prove their integrity 72 hours after the polls closed. The judge refused on grounds that she lacked jurisdiction.”
You know for someone who despises religions, christianity, and the church, and someone who thinks religion has no place in government — why are you so anxious to have your sexual preference assigned the biblical term “marriage” ksfarmgrrl?
Another sock puppet emerges from the dirty sock pile.
People can get “married” now at the courthouse, with no church involvement, and you say it is a religious term? All the more reason to abolish “marriage” in the secular and legal sense and let you all have your meaningless ceremonies in your churches.
Because, ya know, “marriage” is so sacred you can have it done by an Elvis impersonator while you are drunk in Las Vegas…..
Religious term indeed.
mxyzptlk, I think the same person is responsible for the entire stinking pile.
B b b b buuutttt…didn’t HE (the sock puppet master) just have a stroke and was tended to by 17 attractive virgins on the private 10th floor of Wesley horsepistol?
too rich..hah!
At least 30 states define marriage as a relationship between a man and a woman. The majority of Americans, and most states now define marriage as between a man and woman. In 2004, the people in over a dozen states voted overwhelmingly in favor of marriage being defined as between a man and woman. Most recently California, Arizona and Florida joined the ranks of states defiing marriage. Although marriage probably has a religious beginning, the vote of the majority of Americans have put the biblical meaning and intent into law.
This is reasonably new. The majority in most of these states voted since the year 2000 to protect marriage.
Theses state laws are not old archaic laws based upon ignorance, superstition, or lack of understanding of the impact of their vote on gays and lesbians. These were today’s Americans. Informed voters.
Despite your whining that the “people” who voted did so based upon religious beliefs, the law is on the books all across America.
I would suggest you take comfort in civil unions for Gays and Lesbians and ensuring that civil unions are afforded the same “rights” and “opportunities” under the law as those afforded to married people.
An alternative might be (and I like the word alternative), would be to push for the removal of special rights, priviledges, and entitlements for married people.
Organizations should be pushing this issue. Get
GLAAD,GLARP, The Publishing Triangle, GLBTIC, GALAH,GLIDE, nblglf,NCLR, and even the ILGA to promote the removal of “marriage” from all aspects of legal, governmental, and entitlement systems.
Those in the American culture who enjoy marriage and civil unions can then be “equal”, if that is your goal.
But short of that, try as you may ksfarmgirl; making flaming posts, acts of civil disobedience, parades, news articles, protest marches – the majority of Americans have spoken on this issue. As you have told others, “get over it”.
mxyzptlk like you are a new incarnation? Right.
You are a former poster here by another name. But changing NIC’s doesn’t make you a “sock puppet”.
Your flaming posts do.
PROP 8 WAS an amendment to the California Constitution and thus the majority of the citizens wanted the amendment to their constitution. BUT by all means, PLEASE withhold Fed money from California.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted November 16, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink
“Prop 8 can NOT be unconstituional IF the majority of the voters wish to change the constitution.”
The “majority of voters” at the time also approved Jim Crow laws and laws that sanctioned “separate but equal”.
The Supreme Court declared those laws unconstitutional, just like they will this one.
AFTER obama makes his appointments to SCOTUS.
All young people, I hope. That way they can torment wingnuts and bigots for the next, oh, forty or fifty years…
As grmie likes to say, “elections have consequenses”. Like keeping a majority of SCOTUS sane people, and keeping abortion legal for the forseeable future.
heheheh. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Time is NOT on your side.
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OF course you would like this. The libs would love having legislature from the bench, don’t listen to the will of the people, they don’t all agree with ME, and MY side is the only right side, everyone else doesn’t deserve to have a voice UNTIL they agree with ME.
let you all have your meaningless ceremonies in your churches…….
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Surprisingly, I agree with you ksfarmgirl, in part. I am more than willing to sacrifice tax benefits, healthcare, etc…. as long as marriage remains protected as a religious act.
The reason I feel this way is because my marriage was a religious act and holds great spiritual meaning for me and my wife. It is a great part of my christian beliefs and life.
So protect my religious beliefs – but take away any financial incentive my marriage has in law and effect. My rewards are pending elsewhere.
Interesting observation here. Whenever someone disagrees with certain liberal posters here, those posters and friends lable the posters with different opinions as “puppets’ or “sock puppets”.
Age old democrat tactic to cast alternative opinions in a negative light.
This reflects a failure on the part of these liberal posters to understand that not everyone agrees with them, and there is merit to what others have to say about the issues.
It’s a win for the flamed poster.
HD I firmly agree with you on this one. The money was the issues as was finally admitted. The ritual and it’s meaning are the important things and this can’t be legislated away.
I fear we are trying to protect a lockbox that is empty anyway by denying monetary right to civil unions.
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mxyzptlk
Posted November 16, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink
Another sock puppet emerges from the dirty sock pile.
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…spews the Lib sock puppet…
So you anti-abortion protestors are just going to get over it too huh?
As far as I know, gays aren’t bombing churches.
Hitchens —
”And now the US, like Britain before it, has begun the long slow descent into the Third World. How sad. Where now is our last best hope on Earth.”
Hitchens is an angry Brit… probably hasnt agreed with anything the US has done since Reagan flew off into the sunset… But, do listen to the whines and groans of an UNAmerican right wing Brit… by all means… LOL
“The reason I feel this way is because my marriage was a religious act and holds great spiritual meaning for me and my wife. It is a great part of my christian beliefs and life.
So protect my religious beliefs – but take away any financial incentive my marriage has in law and effect. My rewards are pending elsewhere.”
So you and only you can get married because it means so mcuh to you? Well heck KFG, if only my marriage meant so much to me as it did to him, why he should be protesting everyone else’s love for their spouse as ‘less spiritual and meaningful’ as his.
Such freaking hypocrisy it astounds me.
The money was the issue…….
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Absolutely okobserver. The root of all evil.
And I am willing to bet if you took the money out of the argument, this would become a non-issue.
The Gays are attacking this problem from the wrong angle. Instead of trying to reach “equality” in name with those who believe marriage is more than a piece of paper, they should be fighting for their own place in our culture.
They have started a war against religion they do not need to fight. Stick with equal rights for civil unions, and most Americans and possibly the SCOTUS may support them.
Don’t trivialize a belief which is still held in high esteem in many religions and believers. Believers see this as another attempt to tear apart their biblical beliefs. Why fight that?
Instead stick with the law.
“Don’t trivialize a belief which is still held in high esteem in many religions and believers.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!
Uh, it wasnt gay people who trivialized marriage with the Elvis impersonator thing.
And your marriage is soooooooo spiritual and meaningful that it hinges on the meaning of a secular word?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
Man, that is TOO funny!!!!!
You should be on stage….
You are missing it Political_mama.
I am admitting marriage is a religious institution.
The bible clearly states for those who believe it, that marriage is between a man and a woman.
I’m saying let’s truly separate church and state.
Let’s take marriage out of the laws of the land. Period.
Let’s not have the “law” trying to define a religious ceremony and belief in order to reach an end.
“The majority in most of these states voted since the year 2000 to protect marriage.”
Give me a break… Marrige isnt threatened by same gender marriage…
Marriage IS threatened by a bunch of over-zealous geeks voting for Prop 8… That sort of pathetic bigoted activity is the REAL threat to marriage… and in fact to the way of Life in the USA… it is a flat out assault on the COTUS… Those voting for such a thing, are IMHO voting against the very foundations of this Nation!!
Jesus WEPT!!!!!!
How come straight secular marriages at the court house, with NO church involvement, are called, ya know, MARRIAGE??????
Sumbiotch. Your lack of logic is astounding. Not to mention, as Pmom said, the hypocrisy.
hee hee heeeeeeee. Exactly HOW would your marriage be harmed if gay people used the word marriage?
Must be pretty fragile if it all hinges on the meaning of one word. Too funny.
ANd if you and your gay friends think us religious kooks are so funny,
why the hell are you all trying to get married?
Why would your gay friends in California be lighting fires, literally crying in the streets, to join something you find so revoluting?
Why not accept the secular word, “Civil Union” or
“domestic partnership”?
“Let’s not have the “law” trying to define a religious ceremony and belief in order to reach an end.”
So does grmie, the left handed puppet, STILL agree with this, the right handed puppet?
And…. you “majority has spoken” hypocrites still havent said, overtly, that the jim crow and separate but equal laws, approved by majorities and legislatures, were ok? The courts should not have intervened to strike them down?
I love how they only answer the questions that fit their rather narrow world view.
And still no answer on which church it is that sanctions repeated lying like bigotbox does?
just askin’….
Marriage IS threatened by a bunch of over-zealous geeks voting for Prop 8…
You mean Chas like the same 51% who voted for Obama?
Which vote counts and which don’t Chas? In this recent election cycle four more states defined marriage. Over 30 total now.
All those voters are over-zealous geeks, Hmm?
Your not worth the key strokes responding to, except at Christmas time when you turn “christian”
over the yuletide.
their rather narrow
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Nothing narrow about it. Your rights end when they step over mine.
I support you having whatever kind of legal relationship you want. Even the same legal rights and entitlements that my spouse gets.
Just don’t try to justify your relationship using the bible.
HDChaplainCorps
Posted November 16, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
“Why would your gay friends in California be lighting fires, literally crying in the streets, to join something you find so revoluting?”
Uh, they want the same benefits under the law. And second, they are NOT lighting fires. That was god burning down california.
They are NOT agitating for religious ceremonies. Many churches are willing to marry gay people, and do. Those marriages are just not recognized in the secular world.
But then, we’ve been through this before. You are just being deliberately obtuse. Or more plainly, stupid.
“Why not accept the secular word, “Civil Union” or
“domestic partnership”?
When those terms carry all the same secular benefits as the word “marriage” I dont think you will get any arguement from my community. But those “words” dont carry those benefits.
Hell, as I’ve said about a thousand times this week, the federal government doesnt even recognize MARRIAGE between same sex people in Mass and Conn, even if they are sanctioned by those states AS legitimate marriages. And those MARRIAGES are not recognized by other states either.
So… I dont give a “siht” if you call it “bob’s yer uncle” as long as it carries the same benefits as straight marriage.
But then, you already knew that. You’re just yankin’ my chain and dont mind being and looking stew-pud to do it.
“Nothing narrow about it. Your rights end when they step over mine.”
Uh, exactly HOW does my marriage being recognize step on your rights? Your sock puppet ego maybe, but not your rights. You lose nothing if my marriage is recognized by the state.
“Just don’t try to justify your relationship using the bible.”
Oh, jesus WEPT!!!!!
Of that, you can be sure.
I might as well use the Brothers Grimm to justify it.
“Uh, they want the same benefits under the law.”
They have them. It’s legal in California and fourteen other states.
ksfarmgrrl don’t post your opinions if you don’t want to see others don’t agree with them.
Hee hee heeeee!
I think it’s kinda funny that god is punishing california….
When marching in unison, feet will strike the ground simultaneously.
If one forms a new marching group, play a different tune and march in a different direction, one cannot expect both groups to be marching to same beat or their feet striking the ground together.
- Mousey Tongue
“They have them. It’s legal in California and fourteen other states.”
Is there some part of “those marriages are not recognized by other states or the fed” that you cant understand?
Please post the states where marriage is recognized for gay people. Civil unions do NOT carry the same benefits as marriage for gay people.
You are too stupid to argue with. You are entitled to your own misguided opinion. You are NOT entitled to make up your own “facts”.
nitwit
ksfarmgrrl, you don’t get it. For many religions, based upon the bible, “marriage” means something specific. You trying to change that steps on my religious beliefs.
But you admit, you really don’t care anyway, as long as you get your rights.
My argument is: SO WHY PUSH FOR THE WORD?
Hell, I’m on gays side, and you still want to beat it over my head. Therein is the problem, or a part thereof.
Where in the name of anything sacred do you get the insane idea that the term marriage originates in the bible??? Thats just plumb loco!! What you smoking there, anyway??
To many, these are the facts:
When God created a partner for Adam He created Eve – not another Adam. This means that perfect partnership requires some level of difference as well as a level of similarity so great that Adam could cry out loudly, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh”. Sexual intimacy between a man and a woman is the normal method of male/female bonding (emotionally and physically) because it corresponds to the design of our bodies and because it is the normal means by which offspring are created.
If God had intended the human race to be fulfilled through both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, He would have designed our bodies to allow reproduction through both means and made both means of sexual intercourse healthy and natural.
And since you quote the bible,
“And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’”
—Matthew 19:4
“But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’”
—Mark 10:6
Jesus wept.
“My argument is: SO WHY PUSH FOR THE WORD?”
Because THE WORD carried the benefits. When you give equal rights to civil unions, we can talk.
Until then? You look and sound like the dumbbutt sock puppet you are.
Why dont you answer my questions?
I have answered yours.
I’ve never seen a cogent argument against equal protection under the law that doesn’t use religion or prejudice as its base. The Constitution of the United States is all that’s needed to argue for each citizen being treated equally.
So what the “against” crowd really want is to make the Constitution more closely resemble their Bible.
I don’t ever see a Constitutional amendment to make some citizens less equal passing, so if those against keep pushing, maybe they’ll get this right taken away from everyone thus ensuring our laws are equal to all citizens.
When Jesus was asked questions about marriage he went straight back to the defining passages in Genesis that say that marriage is between male and female and is meant to be life long. He saw the creation accounts in Genesis as authoritative in His day. And what is authoritative for Jesus is authoritative for Christians also. While Jesus did not specifically teach on homosexuality, His establishment of the Genesis passages as the fundamental passages on marriage (even more fundamental than the Law) leaves no doubt as to the outcome.
Didn’t proposition 8 fail?
Wasn’t that proposition in another state?
Didn’t it fail by quite a large margin of the voters?
Just asking…
That bible quoting is too funny.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. HEE HEE HEE HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!
Obviously this is a religious issue to you, even though you deny it while posting the same.
Thanks for proving, once again, that there is NO non-religious argument against same sex marriage. Only religious bigotry, which you have illustrated quite well today.
No wonder chas makes an ass out of you everytime you post. It’s so easy…
And, no matter what goes on in that deluded and narrow mind of yours, you are NOT on my side.
You prove it with every non-factual post.
In fact, many gay couples have very strong religious feelings…. And yet you would deny them that same WORD that gives you religious solace, because of their orientation??
C’mon, fool, what is your REAL agenda… You might as well tell us up front… Then the sane bunch of Americans will know what lunacy we are REALLY fighting against… cause it isnt “gay” marriage…
The whole issue (of gay marriage) is kind of ridiculous and based on American’s ignorance of their own government.
EVERY MARRIAGE IN THE US IS IN EFFECT A CIVIL UNION. The government has the power to grant a legal marriage, which it does. This power is wholly unrelated to any religious definition of marriage.
The church on the other hand can use its authority to wrap such unions in pomp and ritual and tradition as it sees fit.
However, it is only a legal marriage when the two participants sign the legal contract which is the marriage license.
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and render unto God that which is God’s.
In other words, let the churches marry or not marry whoever they want. As I understand it, the Roman Catholic church won’t marry a divorced person (for which they conveniently offer one an annulment). That isn’t the issue.
The issue is can the government discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation?
Answer: no.
Period.
The majority who voted in favor of Proposition H8 voted for something that is unConstitutional on its face.
“So… I dont give a “siht” if you call it “bob’s yer uncle” as long as it carries the same benefits as straight marriage.”
And ksfarmgirl I support you on this.
What question remains unanswered? Your above satisfies all I need to know.
I wonder how the phrase, ‘be fruitful and multiply’ applies to Gays in the traditional sense?
“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” King James Version, Genesis 1:28
Then the sane bunch of Americans will know what lunacy we are REALLY fighting against… cause it isnt “gay” marriage…
Your “we” is the minority of Americans.
The issue is can the government discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation?
Answer: no.
Period.
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Eggzactly! Remove all reference to special treatments of “married” people from the law. It’s not in the constitution. No entitlements, IRS tax breaks, healthcare entitlements, etc… based upon two human beings joining forces in life.
No more married filing separately
No more married filing period.
We are individual citizens with equal rights under the law.
Remove all reference.
“What question remains unanswered? Your above satisfies all I need to know.”
OMG, are you drunk or just really that dumb?
you have all the answers you need and you think that means you answered my questions?
heheheheh> AHAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
You havent answered this:
“And…. you “majority has spoken” hypocrites still havent said, overtly, that the jim crow and separate but equal laws, approved by majorities and legislatures, were ok? The courts should not have intervened to strike them down?”
Or this:
“Is there some part of “those marriages are not recognized by other states or the fed” that you cant understand?”
You havent listed the benefits confered by civil unions and compared them with the benefits of “marriage”.
And you still havent answered the question about which church supports the deliberate and serial lying such as bigotbox’s.
Scroll up dude. You havent answered ANY of my questions, including how my marriage steps on any of YOUR civil rights. What rights would you lose if my marriage were recognized as equal by the state?
nitwit
Christmas isn’t a religious holiday. Coincidentally, it was Christians who first stole the holiday from the Pagans.
I hate to tell you this HD, but marriage is NOT simply a Christian institution. Marriage ceremonies were held worldwide long before Christ ever walked the earth.
They were practiced in ancient China, ancient Africa, and all parts in between in some sort of fashion.
It is you who are trying to claim these as your own. So knock it off. I take my marriage very very seriously, and I’m not a Christian, and I’ll be damned if you try to take my marriage away from me. I just happened to be straight, and I will celebrate the day when ALL gay couples who wish to marry can have that same feeling of permanence from their relationship as I do.
“If God had intended the human race to be fulfilled through both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, He would have designed our bodies to . . . etc. etc. . . . ”
So, why pray tell, did God create homosexuals?
I notice that both reg and hd make ONLY religious arguments. No secular arguments against gay marriage.
Just as I and others have said all along. Thanks for proving our point. Linda is correct. You want the constitution to be more like your fairy tale book.
Tell me, if I quoted the Brothers Grimm, would that make my arguments more believable?
“In fact, many gay couples have very strong religious feelings…. ”
I don’t care if they have ANY feelings at all.
They can’t get married.
But they CAN get the same entitlements under the law allowed for married couples.
Or, as I suggest: Remove ALL special entitlements.
Why should a SINGLE person (and there are many staying single) pay higher taxes than married?
Why should my wife get higher benefits from Social Security when I die?
It’s all nonsense and unfair.
Some one explain to me why ‘butt fudge packing’ and ‘mutual male knob jobbing’ qualifies under equal protection clauses of the Constitution as acts that need protection via marriage ceremony?
Should sexual acts not even be considered unless they are capable of reproducing off spring? Since the main purpose of sex is for reproduction, then any acts done for pleasure or purpose might be considered deviant and not protected?
Man HD you must really despise them gays to go through all of that just so they can’t get married.
Your arguments have been soundly defeated on all fronts: secular, financial, legal, and religious. Why don’t you just admit that your wild distain of gays has no legitimate basis?
You’re seriously starting to sound like the kid making excuses when finding he’s been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Political momma:
“Christmas isn’t a religious holiday.”
Oh I agree! I posted much on this last XMAS, which Chas really didn’t want to know about.
“I hate to tell you this HD, but marriage is NOT simply a Christian institution.”
Go ahead and tell me Political Momma, I never said it was. But I do enjoy you only reading bits and pieces and lack of comprehension. Keep it up.
“when ALL gay couples who wish to marry”
Sorry KSFARMGIRL already stated she doesn’t give a crap if it’s called marriage. But go ahead and support that.
“Your arguments have been soundly defeated on all fronts: secular, financial, legal, and religious. ”
WTF is that all about? Besides being wrong. 30 plus states. Four more joined just this year.
Get over it.
“Why don’t you just admit that your wild distain of gays has no legitimate basis?”
Totally a lie on your part. Keep it up.
Eventually you might strike gold.
Bwahahahaha Regular, just cuz you can’t get any doesn’t mean the rest of us are going to give up sex for fun.
WOOOW, try getting THAT passed. Good luck! Hear that ladies *heteros that is*…no more sucky sucky! We don’t even have to say we have a headache lol lol lol!
Tell me something will ya, if male homosexual sex wasn’t meant to be pleasurable, why is there a pleasure center up in there? And why have there been homosexuality since the beginning of time?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted November 16, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
I notice that both reg and hd make ONLY religious arguments. No secular arguments against gay marriage.
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Nope, nope and nope…
Kfg, you are so rigid in you focus on this subject you ignored my stance that gay marriage may well be protected as defined by the constitution.
However, in your blindness, because I pointed out that gay flies in the face of tradition and custom, because neither one can be legislated or adjudicated, you think I’m some evil person.
When I point the very thing that is killing attempts for gay marriage, I am the enemy how?
The religious questions I posed as questions. None of you Libs have yet to provide an answer. It is it unfair to examine only one side of the equation.
I’ve thoroughly examine the legal side and I think gay marriage qualifies under ‘equal protection’ clauses as defined by the current language of the Constitution.
Where Gay Marriage legislation fails is that one cannot, however hard they try, dictate the will of a group people by ’strong arming’ morality issues.
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb . . .
Matthew 19:12
Why did God make eunuchs?
And Chaplin, have you made yourself a eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom?
HD, you have no argument other than you enjoy discriminating against gays. You and a whole lot of other people. THe constitution is supposed to protect people from you.
Uh nice try, but you left something out.
“Sorry KSFARMGIRL already stated she doesn’t give a crap if it’s called marriage.”
I said that ONLY if my marriage is equal, in the eyes of the law, to yours. Otherwise?
I care very much what it is called. When the term civil union carries ALL the benefits of marriage, then you can call it that.
Please tell me. I need to know.
HOW do I collect survivor benefits from my same sex partner’s social security?
You STILL havent answered my questions sphd.
Regular–
Sorry to disappoint your puerile pruient interests, but this issue is not about gay sex, it’s about gay marriage.
I’ve heard that some married people practice all kinds of “deviance” like REPUBLICAN Jack Ryan who took his wife (the beautiful “Seven of Nine”) to sex clubs for . . . you guess the rest.
You can’t outlaw marriage based on what people do who are married.
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CapnAmerica
Posted November 16, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb . . .
Matthew 19:12
Why did God make eunuchs?
And Chaplin, have you made yourself a eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom?
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What part of the verse that Eunuchs are celibate do you need to be explained to you Crapn?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/22/ryan.divorce/
Ummmm who decided Christmas isnt a religious holiday??? Yea, sure, it has a lot of economic overtones, and other stuff… BUT, if not for the birth of Christ, we wouldnt be celebrating the Mass of Christ, or Christmas… And calling it X-MAS doesnt cut it… X is the Greek letter “Chi” which put with the Greek “Ro” forms the alphabet shorthand used for CENTURIES for “Christ” —
But for those morons who insist it isnt a religious holiday, we will always be content with just saying, “Happy Holidays” –
“Holiday” = “Holy Day” in linguistic short hand… LOL
You hang in there sunshine, someday you might get ONE thing right…
When they say it isn’t about the money – it is always about the money.
For months I have said it wasn’t my faith that made me oppose it. I was ridiculed by the pack mentality of the left. Finally the left has admitted that what I said was 100% correct. Take away the financial benefits from ‘marriage’ and they don’t want it anymore.
“Please tell me. I need to know.
HOW do I collect survivor benefits from my same sex partner’s social security?”
Still waiting….
ReguLIAR–
If marriage is only for “male and female, He created them,” why did HE create some of the males eunuchs?
Those people shouldn’t get to marry either, using HDChaplin’s definition of marriage.
Regular — “What part of the verse that Eunuchs are celibate do you need to be explained to you Crapn?”
Ummmm…. check your verse again, Regular… It does NOT say that Eunuchs are celibate… no way, old man… not there…
“Take away the financial benefits from ‘marriage’ and they don’t want it anymore.”
Please repost where I said that. It’s ALL about the money for you too. You said it yourself, the only problem you have with gay marriage is that it will cost too much.
You sound like beber. You must be so proud.
And…
When I say I want the finanical benefits you have, then I’m accused of ONLY wanting marriage for that reason.
If I say it’s not about the money, then you say it’s about religion.
WTF?
Why dont you just admit you are an ordinary garden variety of bigot and save ALL the sock puppets and extra washing from being out of the drawer.
If you think a closet is a great place for ME to live, why isnt the sock drawer good enough for you?
I said that it isn’t a religious holiday, at least not in the beginning Chas. Christians took it over from the pagans.
CapnAmerica
Posted November 16, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink
ReguLIAR–
If marriage is only for “male and female, He created them,” why did HE create some of the males eunuchs?
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What part of being celibate as a Eunuch are you not understanding Crapn?
Eunuchs as referenced in the traditional sense, have sex with no one, male or female.
KFG —-
“HOW do I collect survivor benefits from my same sex partner’s social security?””
IF the civil union matter was given full and equal rights with all other civil unions, then that would not be a problem…
Chas I totally agree and would like to see a nation wide vote to remove Christmas from the list of federal holidays.
Forget about the school breaks for Christmas.
Treat it just as you do a religious holiday and let only Christian have the day off. This would decomercialize the birth of Jesus Christ.
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Chas
Posted November 16, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
Regular — “What part of the verse that Eunuchs are celibate do you need to be explained to you Crapn?”
Ummmm…. check your verse again, Regular… It does NOT say that Eunuchs are celibate… no way, old man… not there…
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You make the claim that eunuchs are not celibate during the time Matthew was written, now prove it.
If you think a closet is a great place for ME to live, why isnt the sock drawer good enough for you?
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For one thing you have a lot more room in your closet than I have in a sock drawer.
Yeah.
I’m waiting for the answer to KSFrmGrrl’s question too–how does she get to collect that the rest of us could theoretically collect.
And outlander, you’re wrong. It’s partly about the money, yes. It’s also about equal rights, like hospital visitation and raising children.
Lastly it’s about social validation (which is why the reich-wing is so bent on killing it).
Ah and therein lies the crux of the matter- social validation.
If its OK then when their son or daughter comes out, they’ll be accepted and loved for who they are…and we can’t have that now can we?
Please note — Churches have no say one way or another, when it comes to dissolving a civil union…. That is soley in the hands of the Courts… the same courts who Sanction the union to begin with… it’s called Divorce.
That said, there are a few denominations who have developed liturgies to assist those persons who wish to dissolve their “marriage” in an amicable fashion..
And again, I say, with emphasis >>>>
SAME GENDER MARRIAGE, OR UNION, IN NO WAY EFFECTS HETEROSEXUAL MARRIAGE —
Regular,
I missed what has happened but I hope you are well or getting that way quickly.
Good luck with getting better.
“HD, you have no argument other than you enjoy discriminating against gays.’
Second lie Political-momma. I’m done posting to you. But you fit nicely with the rest of the pack.
Truth doesn’t matter.
Perhaps that is really the fear underneath…that one of their own kids is gay and they know it, but want to shame them into being straight?
Ask Tiarht how that ends.
Eunuchs are incapable of having children.
They’re not always incapable of having sex, as testosterone is created by the adrenal gland as well as the testies. That’s why women also have testosterone in their systems.
But that’s not my point.
If one bases marriage on gender (what is “natural” such as procreation) because that’s what God intended, what do you do with the people like homosexuals or eunuchs that were also created by God?
God created them but they were “mistakes”?
I don’t think so.
“KFG —-
“HOW do I collect survivor benefits from my same sex partner’s social security?””
IF the civil union matter was given full and equal rights with all other civil unions, then that would not be a problem…”
Yeah. But civil unions are not equal to marriage in the eyes of the law.
And captain, with all due respect, I dont give a rat’s patootie about social validation.
I want my civil rights. Bigots are welcome to think what they wish.
HD, why wont you answer my questions?
Dont ask me to repost them again. Scroll up and read them, then answer them.
I answered yours.
I beg to differ with you on that KFG, there are a host of reasons why social validation is important for gays.
You may be out, but you were discriminated against in a big way with your job. If you had social validation, that wouldn’t have happened.
make ONLY religious arguments. No secular arguments against gay marriage.
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Obviously a writing comprehension problem.
1. I agree Gays should have same legal/entitlement rights as married couples.
That should be the end of it.
2. You want to argue my “religious” beliefs.
That has been and will be the end of your equal rights movement.
3. I provided a completely secular solution:
Remove all “special” treatment of married people.
(posted details more than once).
Single=married=gay under the law.
No entitlements, handouts, healthcare insurance, IRS tax breaks (or handouts) based upon being married.
Keep attacking me personally, it only shows your lost cause.
“I thought outie was leaving the blog?”
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No. . . outlander has to continue proving how completely gullible and 100% clueless he is re AGW science.
‘Mountains out of molehills’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/11/mountains_out_of_molehills.php
Boxlock–
Every time ReguLIAR has stated something as fact to garner sympathy for himself, it has been proven false.
He claimed his tires were slashed by Libs. FALSE.
He claimed he was currently married, to a Jew no less. Then he claimed he was previously married. Now he claims he was never married.
He said he was injured in a war zone or not depending on which month it is.
He said he would stop posting forever on the WEBlog starting in January of 2008.
You can continue to get played for a sucker by this inDUHvidual if you choose to, but as for me, Fool me once, shame on you . . . fool me a million times, shame on me.
“You may be out, but you were discriminated against in a big way with your job. If you had social validation, that wouldn’t have happened.”
True enough Pmom. I guess I’m living proof that you can become immune to it after a while.
It’s been such a part of my life for the last twenty one years that I dont even think about it or care about it.
And.. might I point out, had I HAD my civil rights, i.e. it wasnt legal for someone to lose their job, inspite of board support, for being gay, I would still be drawing a paycheck.
Having equal protection under the law makes it unnecessary for social validation. They could hate me all they want, but they couldnt discriminate.
The pain is all optional :)
CapnAmerica
Posted November 16, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink
Yeah.
I’m waiting for the answer to KSFrmGrrl’s question too–how does she get to collect that the rest of us could theoretically collect.
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If one has to depend on the scraps that a partial social security deatg benefit would offer – they have more problems than just that paltry amount of funds they would give them.
You only want to remove those rights now because ‘the gays are coming’. So locking the windows and bolting the doors now is a little too late HD.
YOU made the argument about your religious beliefs and marriage, and I pointed out to you that Christianity doesn’t have a lock on marriage. So you twist yet again.
Aint gonna work buddy.
what do you do with the people like homosexuals or eunuchs that were also created by God?
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And that will never be known except by God. Religious groups will and have argued these issues for ages, but never will truth be revealed by any of us. Your opinion is no better than mine, nor is mine any closer to the truth.
That is why government should stay the heck out of religion and religion out of government. Take marriage off the legal table. Strike it from all laws on the books.
Hee hee heeee.
But I’m not dead like toby lynd, dying of cancer like lanny fabrizius, in a lousy marriage like dean papas, or going to jail like dave harding…..
KFG–
You don’t want others to see your relationship recognized as equal to theirs?
That’s what I meant by “social validation.”
Well, okay, but I’m pretty sure that a lot of same-sex marriage folks would . . .
If one has to depend on the scraps that a partial social security deatg benefit would offer – they have more problems than just that paltry amount of funds they would give them.
NOT AN ANSWER–NOT THE ISSUE.
Social validation also helps when a young gay person is coming to realize that they simply cannot hide their identity anymore.
Oh yeah, and I’m not a drunk like former mayor kenny deutcher or, like him, been hauled before the law for getting prisoners out of jail and getting drunk and having sex with them.
Trego county. You just cant make this stuff up. Where two of the last three sheriffs are in jail on felony convictions, two deputies are pending trial for assault with guns and kidnapping, and three of the last four sheriffs were forced to resign.
What a country…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
“HOW do I collect survivor benefits from my same sex partner’s social security?””
You don’t. But neither should my sexual partner.
What if she never paid a dime into the system?
Political_mama
Posted November 16, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink
Social validation also helps when a young gay person is coming to realize that they simply cannot hide their identity anymore.
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Of course, you are correct Pmom. I came out, to myself and the world, as an adult.
It’s really hard on kids. I wish I could give all gay teenagers a big platonic hug. It is hard for them. Especially when their parents treat them badly or throw them out of the house.
Gay teenagers have a higher rate of suicide than any other teenage cohort.
And most of that is because their parents are so bigoted, they’d rather have the kid die than be gay.
BTW, I’m looking at collecting about 2 grand a month (in 2008 dollars) when I retire.
Given that the median HOUSEHOLD income in the US is around 45 thousand dollars gross, my individual SS will be half that.
I don’t call that paltry.
So, ReguLIAR, even if the amount of SS collected were the point, which its not, you’d still be wrong.
Duh Libs do have a hard time focusing in a discussion, don’t they.
Questions get asked, they get ignored…
Or they bring up some irrelevant tripe that has nothing to do with subject being discussed.
Oh yeah, and the personal attacks…
same-o same-o
Like Tihart?
“And…. you “majority has spoken” hypocrites still havent said, overtly, that the jim crow and separate but equal laws, approved by majorities and legislatures, were ok?”
Was the above one of your questions? I really thought you were just making a point. Gays=blacks on the social scale of wrongs. That was your point. But I’d have to believe that to answer that.
“HOW do I collect survivor benefits from my same sex partner’s social security?”
You don’t.
So… then civil unions do not, as you stated above, carry the same benefits as marriage? Even grmies five dollar piece of paper wont give me equal treatment under the law.
“should” doesnt matter. What is, is. You cant deny what is and argue about what should be.
“Gays=blacks on the social scale of wrongs”
No, dumb”siht”.
The issue was majorities of voters and legislators approved those laws and then SCOTUS struck them down.
Should SCOTUS have supported those “majority wins” laws that ok’d discrimination?
“Like Tihart?”
I’m just glad I dont have to answer for HIS soul.
I’m fine with answering for mine.
No one haunts me!
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CapnAmerica
Posted November 16, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
BTW, I’m looking at collecting about 2 grand a month (in 2008 dollars) when I retire.
Given that the median HOUSEHOLD income in the US is around 45 thousand dollars gross, my individual SS will be half that.
I don’t call that paltry.
So, ReguLIAR, even if the amount of SS collected were the point, which its not, you’d still be wrong.
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You know how much I will get from Social Security per month?
About $300.00 Why you ask? Because Congress passed a law that says military cannot receive full benefit by double dipping into Social Security and military retirement. It’s because my military retirement exceeds the amount of social security. The law changed, back in the 1980s makes it where Military members even though they paid into Social Security, cannot receive full benefit.
I think that is more unconstitutional than kfg’s claim. At least I paid into my own fund and should get it back like anyone else.
kfg wants someone elses SS funds they she hasn’t paid into and cries foul?
WTH?
Life isn’t fair sometimes, we have a Congress to make sure it isn’t. :)
HD Chaplain–
You’re arguing two sides against the middle.
First, marriage is intended for hetros only, because God said it.
Then, marriage is solely a religious issue so the government should not control it.
But this ignores the fact that the government already distinguishes legal marriage (nothing more than a legal contract) which it recognizes and religious marriage which it has nothing to do with.
You can’t support Prop H8 and at the same time say that gov’t should get out of the marriage business.
It’s the very definition of “legal marriage” that we’re discussing here.
“Is there some part of “those marriages are not recognized by other states or the fed” that you cant understand?”
Last question you asked?
As I’ve stated clearly on several posts, that I have no problem “domestic partner” or “civil union” G&L’s having the same recognition as “married”.
Where I disagree is that your movement is shooting itself in the foot by bucking against religion, when you don’t need to. Demand equality for Civil Unions. That will win.
I also believe this entire social upheaval has revealed a connection to religion that government should never have affirmed. Marriage. Being “single” should not mean sitting on the back of the bus.
Stop all special treatment for married couples.
End it all.
Now you can demand your equality based upon your beliefs, because they are just and right. Not because there is a financial incentive to them.
“You don’t want others to see your relationship recognized as equal to theirs?”
With all due respect captain (and affection :)
It isnt that I would reject it. It’s just that I dont care about it anymore. I’m so accustomed to living without it, that I dont really think about it.
And you are right. Many, if not most people like me, do want it very much. I dont mean to disrespect them. But I’m just speaking for myself.
And also? I’m resigned that it will never happen. Bigotry never dies. You just have to force it underground.
Look at the racist crap said about obama. Even after being elected president, he will still not have total “social validation” for his mixed race heritage.
I’d be glad if someday mindless bigotry, both religious and secular, had a debilitating social stigma attached. But too many comfortable people, and both political parties, dont care enough to bother about it.
“The law changed, back in the 1980s”
Gee, my heart bleeds pee water for you, ReguLIAR.
Maybe if St. Ronald of Reagan hadn’t signed the law that forever screwed you over, you’d be able to enjoy your “golden years” with a little more gold.
Blame yourself for voting for the SOB’s.
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BTW, the State of Colorado and the State of Misery on both sides of us have done the same thing that ReguLiar’s talking about for people who draw from pensions.
Our hardworking union people have so far stopped them from doing it to us in Kansas.
Thank God the RepubliCONs let you keep your gun though, right, Regular?
outlander posted November 16, 2008 at 8:38 am
“but they [GISS] are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.”
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Ooops! It looks like outlander’s “journalist”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker
does not understand a simple basic fact of statistics.
When comparing anomaly data sets that use different references, you have to adjust for the different references, BEFORE comparing the data.
GISS does NOT consistently show higher temperatures than the other 3 data sets.
“Demand equality for Civil Unions”
Uh, that IS what we are doing. It’s the goddamned churches that keep making the religious arguments and fighting us on SECULAR issues.
Please post where ANY gay rights advocate groups want religious equality. You cant.
WE are all about civil law and equal protection under it.
Tell the rest of it to the phcuking churches.
But this ignores the fact that the government already distinguishes legal marriage
Not ignoring the issue at all CapnAmerica. I think I’ve posted a number of times – government should get OUT of marriage. End it. Change the laws so single=married=domestic partnership.
Take the religous argument out of the equation.
It is wrong.
I can be for Prop 8, and still support gays having equal rights.
My whole point is the movement should stop trying to cram religion down the religious peoples throats. They will not change their beliefs. My other point is that if you take away any “special” treatments based upon any of our partnerships, the problem goes away for financial purposes. It becomes something larger.
Look, G&S want equality right? So give it to them, but don’t freak out the religious right in doing so.
Approach the issue as demanding equal rights for domestic partnerships.
Re multi-nic’d Regular,
“A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth.”
– Aesop
“Maybe if St. Ronald of Reagan hadn’t signed the law that forever screwed you over, you’d be able to enjoy your “golden years” with a little more gold.
Blame yourself for voting for the SOB’s.”
Hee hee hee heeeeee. ^5
Reg, serious question. Did they deduct social security from your military paycheck?
I only want survivor benefits because STRAIGHT folks get “someone else’s” social security. I have plenty coming to me on my own from what I’ve paid in. And from a lifetime of work and investment. So does my sweetie. In fact, she’s quite wealthy, and earned it all on her own, no help at all from family. I got lucky in the parent lottery.
But I want equality. If straight folks give up on survivor benefits and all their special privileges, I will too.
So Crapn, I only get a fraction of a social security benefit that “I paid into” and you emphasize with kfg of not getting any of a benefit she has not paid into?
Cry me a river…
“My whole point is the movement should stop trying to cram religion down the religious peoples throats.”
WTF? HOW can you say that?
ALL we want is civil equality. Once again, the CHURCHES are the ones that keep brining “adam and steve” into it. Not us.
“Demand equality for Civil Unions Uh, that IS what we are doing.”
No you are not. If you are, why is it all over the press that G&S want Prop 7 struck down? California HAS a law protecting G&S. Start with that law and demand equal entitlements ($) under that law. Leave what you call a secular word, “marriage” out of it.
“Please post where ANY gay rights advocate groups want religious equality. You cant.”
I don’t think I posted that, or implied that.
Did I?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted November 16, 2008 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
“Maybe if St. Ronald of Reagan hadn’t signed the law that forever screwed you over, you’d be able to enjoy your “golden years” with a little more gold.
Blame yourself for voting for the SOB’s.”
Hee hee hee heeeeee. ^5
Reg, serious question. Did they deduct social security from your military paycheck?
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Yep, FICA, SSN and Medicare were deducted from my military paychecks.
Once Congress gets hold of your paycheck, they will control it like a plow mule, be forewarned.
“I can be for Prop 8, and still support gays having equal rights.”
No, you can’t.
Prop H8 defined “legal marriage” as between a man and a woman. That’s not a religious argument. That’s a legal definition.
Reg, if they deducted social security from your military paycheck, and matched it, then indeed you should be allowed to draw it.
But if not? Then I think you, pot, might want to meet kettle….
DID they deduct ss from your military paycheck?
And no comment that it was under St. Ronnie that it happened? What, he couldnt veto it?
Or, perhaps, did his administration instigate it?
So Crapn, I only get a fraction of a social security benefit that “I paid into”
Yes, and you did it to yourself by voting CONs into office.
Don’t complain to me about the consequences of your stupid CONs, I’ve been telling you that for years . . .
“I have plenty coming to me on my own from what I’ve paid in. But I want equality. If straight folks give up on survivor benefits and all their special privileges, I will too.”
Then, I am saying the same thing.
Cut off the gravy train from the government, and there will be fewer pigs at the trough.
“Yep, FICA, SSN and Medicare were deducted from my military paychecks.”
If that’s true, then I agree, you are entitled.
Maybe the democrats will correct this obvious inequality, since they do, indeed, support the troops.
Regular’s share of his SS was shrink wrapped into “bales” of 100 dollar bills and passed out to Blackwater operatives in Iraq.
Thanks helping to make the rich richer, Regular . . .
Enjoy your spam sandwiches.
“Take the religous argument out of the equation.
It is wrong.”
Then why were YOU quoting scripture to me?
Yeah. You all are the ones arguing about religion. I reject it. No argument there. Just keep it out of the civil arena.
But your churches cant do that. It would make them equal to those icky gays.
They are VERY invested in their own superiority.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted November 16, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink
Reg, if they deducted social security from your military paycheck, and matched it, then indeed you should be allowed to draw it.
But if not? Then I think you, pot, might want to meet kettle….
DID they deduct ss from your military paycheck?
And no comment that it was under St. Ronnie that it happened? What, he couldnt veto it?
Or, perhaps, did his administration instigate it?
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Military members will never get full benefit of social security retirement because their military retired compensation is used as a 1 for 1 matching fund to the social security retirement, even though they are two different pots of money and two different entitlements.
Let’s say your SSAN is 2400/month and your Military retirement is 2100/month. When you reach 65 or w/e, you will only get $300.00/month from Social Security because that is the current law.
The infamous Graham acts of the 1980s changed a lot of things in the 1980s, including that disabled veteran funds must be accounted into active duty military retirement funds.
For example, you retire from the military at 2000/month. Your disability is at 20 percent, so that means 400 dollars from the VA.
The old way to figure it was that 2000 from DOD and 400 from the VA.
The new way to figure it, is that you get 1600 from the DOD plus 400 of that $2000 retired pay is considered tax free.
You don’t no get a $400.00 pay check from the VA now, it is gone forever. The soldier, sailor, airman, marine only gets a tax deferment.
cute huh?
Oh yeah, the U.S. Congress is quite crafty with paychecks, that is, if it is not their own paycheck.
“Prop H8 defined “legal marriage” as between a man and a woman. That’s not a religious argument. That’s a legal definition.”
{laughing out loud} Now you are going to tell me what I can be for and against? Amazing.
How many times need I post it?
SO what? G&S should demand EQUAL Treatment under the LAW which provides for “CIVIL UNIONS” as the law provides married.
In California, it is called “Domestic Partnership”
As of 2007, California affords domestic partnerships all of the same rights and responsibilities as marriages under state law (Cal. Fam. Code §297.5). Among these:
Making health care decisions for each other in certain circumstances
Hospital and jail visitation rights that were previously reserved for family members related by blood, adoption or marriage to the sick, injured or incarcerated person.
Access to family health insurance plans (Cal. Ins. Code §10121.7)
Spousal insurance policies (auto, life, homeowners etc..), this applies to all forms of insurance through the California Insurance Equality Act (Cal. Ins. Code §381.5)
Sick care and similar family leave
Stepparent adoption procedures
Presumption that both members of the partnership are the parents of a child born into the partnership
Suing for wrongful death of a domestic partner
Rights involving wills, intestate succession, conservatorships and trusts
The same property tax provisions otherwise available only to married couples (Cal. R&T Code §62p)
Access to some survivor pension benefits
Supervision of the Superior Court of California over dissolution and nullity proceedings
The obligation to file state tax returns as a married couple (260k) commencing with the 2007 tax year (Cal R&T Code §18521d)
The right for either partner to take the other partner’s surname after registration
Community property rights and responsibilities previously only available to married spouses
The right to request partner support (alimony) upon dissolution of the partnership (divorce)
The same parental rights and responsibilities granted to and imposed upon spouses in a marriage
“Regular’s share of his SS was shrink wrapped into “bales” of 100 dollar bills and passed out to Blackwater operatives in Iraq.”
Yeah. And what didnt go there went to the banks and will be going to the car makers and eventually the ethanol boys too.
Unfortunately, MY SS money probably went there too. Along with health care, environmental work, funding for education, etc.
Yeah, I noticed that too, KGrrl.
They trot out Genesis and then say, “but we’re not arguing on religious grounds.”
That’s enough for me . . . I’m going out to rake leaves . . .
“As of 2007, California affords domestic partnerships all of the same rights and responsibilities as marriages under state law (Cal. Fam. Code §297.5). Among these:”
And Prop 8 takes all that away.
Hell, they HAD same sex marriage. Total equality.
And then Prop 8 took it away.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Captain is right. You go from side to side.
And as Jim Hightower says, the only thing in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead armadillos…
“That’s enough for me . . . I’m going out to rake leaves . . .”
Me too captain. Except, I’m going to try to teach this crazy pup some manners.
But it’s good practice for trying to talk with these wingnuts. At least there is hope for Summer…for the wingnuts? Not so much.
She’s teachable. They are not.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted November 16, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink
“Regular’s share of his SS was shrink wrapped into “bales” of 100 dollar bills and passed out to Blackwater operatives in Iraq.”
Yeah. And what didnt go there went to the banks and will be going to the car makers and eventually the ethanol boys too.
Unfortunately, MY SS money probably went there too. Along with health care, environmental work, funding for education, etc.
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WTF!
Try to have a serious conversation with you and come up with garbage like this.
AMF
I’m very sure you know what the means in Texican.
“The infamous Graham acts of the 1980s changed a lot of things in the 1980s, including that disabled veteran funds must be accounted into active duty military retirement funds.”
I assume you are talking about phil GRAMM. Ya know, mcsame’s chief economic advisor and the guy who also deregulated banks and lobbied for foreign banks to get a piece of the heist, er bailout?
REPUBLICAN phil gramm?
yeah. I know that butthole. Been on stage with him before. What a miserable piece of human waste…
You know those same people who argue against your love and desire for marrying the person you love- but only if you’re gay- are the exact same people who would scream bloody murder about their rights when you attempt to take away an arsenal of steel that is capable of killing hundreds.
They are willing to lay down their life to die for their right to own that gun, but expect you to just deal with the discrimination against you and your loved ones. Who are very much a SPOUSE.
Regular–
I googled “military service” “social security” and got this from the official SS website:
You can get both Social Security benefits and military retirement. Generally, there is no reduction of Social Security benefits because of your military retirement benefits. You’ll get your full Social Security benefit based on your earnings.
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10017.html
Maybe you better check into it at the Soc Sec. office.
The DEMs may have changed it back since the Reagan-Gramm days.
I hope that is serious enough for you, Regular.
And if your pay is bumped up by many hundreds of dollars a month, remember, it was a DEMOCRATIC LIB who helped you get it.
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CapnAmerica
Posted November 16, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink
Regular–
I googled “military service” “social security” and got this from the official SS website:
You can get both Social Security benefits and military retirement. Generally, there is no reduction of Social Security benefits because of your military retirement benefits. You’ll get your full Social Security benefit based on your earnings.
http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10017.html
Maybe you better check into it at the Soc Sec. office.
The DEMs may have changed it back since the Reagan-Gramm days.
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The key words are full social security benefits based on your military retirement.
If my earnings from my military exceeds what I would receive from Social Security, I don’t get anything. If it is a little less than the max benefit I get a partial check from SS.
I know this to be a fact, I talk to retired military all the time, we got hosed.
not Phil Gramm, Bob Graham of Florida who was the one hunting for scalps of military members.
Well . . . you may be right, but that is in total contradiction to what the website reads.
Will check into this further when I can . . .
“If my earnings from my military exceeds what I would receive from Social Security, I don’t get anything. If it is a little less than the max benefit I get a partial check from SS.
I know this to be a fact, I talk to retired military all the time, we got hosed.”
Hey Regular! I am hoping for you to be in perfect health, even as your blogging is perfect.
But I am retired military and need to let you know that I will continue to draw my full military retired pay when I reach age 62 (and take SS early) and full social security. This is in addition to another retirement I am presently working toward.
Now maybe you are talking to some real old old retired guys. Prior to 1958, military did not pay in to the SS system. They fall under a little different circumstances. But for those of us who paid in to SS: We collect SS.
A dozen military/retired websites will confirm what CapnAmerica posted. For any retirment planning, everyone should KNOW what their entitlements are, and investment income. Please check this out.
However [comma, pause for effect] eventually Obama will means test you, and your SS benefits will be reduced if your other earnings (retired pay/investment payments) exceed the Obama limits.
PS: Regular. The hose job is on medical. I thought we were promised medical care for life. Turns out, at age 65 we convert to MEDICARE, and TRICARE becomes something paid with medicare-B coverage(whatever that is). I’ve not researched all this, but if you will look at the back of your ID Card, there is an expiration date for medical. I am told we still have the advantage as we cannot be turned down for coverage, the cost is based upon whatever the military is paying, and we are still eligible for prescription drugs either free (from local base hospital if available), or reduced cost via the VA…
Senate Majority of 60 Here We Come!!! Too bad loser Repubes!
Bill Clinton to campaign for Martin in Georgia
Posted: 01:02 PM ET
(CNN) — Three weeks before Georgia’s December 2 Senate runoff vote, former President Bill Clinton – the last Democratic presidential candidate to carry the state – will stump for his party’s candidate Jim Martin, locked in a tight race with incumbent Republican Saxby Chambliss.
Clinton, who first visited the state for Martin last fall, will become the first high-profile Democrat to visit the state to campaign for the Senate challenger since Election Day.
“They are willing to lay down their life to die for their right to own that gun, but expect you to just deal with the discrimination against you and your loved ones. Who are very much a SPOUSE.” — p.m.
If you change the definition p.m., just as the Right has tried for years to change the definition of a fetus to a child. Be careful of what you wish for.
I SALUTE the Great Repubes’ bloggers!
Reguliar worried about his cut of the socialist pie
Bawkslock keeping his secret secret while pretending he’s a bad ass
HLP looking for somebody he “needs” to kill
Nathan the irrational baby pretending he once was a marine
Franklin waiting on his Fuehrer’s orders
Max banned (if he even exists)
ksgrm exploiting slave convict labor and being loonier than Sarah (wackjob hillbilly) Palin
Goodbye Republican losers. It’s morning in America and the sun will soon shine on a brand new day.
from Faux news:
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — With about 12 percent of ballots still to be counted, Republican Sen. Ted Stevens’ chances of becoming the first felon elected to the U.S. Senate appeared remote Thursday.
Democrat Mark Begich took an 814-vote lead as ballots were counted Wednesday, and on Thursday, the Alaska Elections Division provided updated figures showing the origin of the 40,000 left.
“The bottom line is, I just don’t see a significant block of votes that’s remaining for Ted to get him back into this,” said Anchorage pollster Ivan Moore. “I don’t think in the end it’s going to be close.”
Al Franken will win in Minnesota!
On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal noted that Mr. Coleman’s lead has been mysteriously shrinking, even before the recount begins. Election officials in various jurisdictions, mainly liberal, have been discovering “lost” ballots or “miscommunicated” results. Mr. Coleman’s lead is now just 206. It doesn’t look bright: one very Democratic area has discovered that its ballot-counting machines registered overwhelming support for Barack Obama but somehow didn’t tally any votes in the Senate race. Hmmm. Guess who those will turn out to favour.
“ksfarmgrrl, you don’t get it. For many religions, based upon the bible, ‘marriage’ means something specific. You trying to change that steps on my religious beliefs.”
Bullsh*t. You don’t have to change your religion or your religious beliefs. Thsi goes back to the old Mencken definition of puritanism:
“The fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.”
More specifically, the fear that someone, somewhere, might be happy doing something that you and your faith don’t approve of.
BTW, “Chaplin”, MY religion has ministers who refuse to marry anyone as long as marriages between two loving adults who happen to be of the same gender are not legally recognized. So, by your logic, your trying to limit who can marry steps on MY religious beliefs. However, and this is the sheer bullsh*t of your claim, having people legally able to live in a lifestyle your religion doesn’t approve of does not, in any way, inflict on you or your rights to your religious beliefs, just as your beliefs do not inflict on my religious beliefs. However, by your mean spirited (and that IS what it is) insistence that people have to live under YOUR religions’ definition of marriage DOES inflict on the rights of others who do not subscribe to your religious beliefs.
FACT: The majority also disagreed with interracial marriage, and if such marriages had to go state by state on referenda, many if not most states still wouldn’t recognize them. The very reason for the Bill of Rights is to limit the tyranny that can come from majority rules.
Also a fact, and in fact I am very disappointed in some of the folks here who resort to this argument, marriage historically, particularly in this country, is NOT a religious institution, it is a civil one. A century and a half ago, most marriages were done by civil authorities. Marriage licenses are granted by civil authorities. It is not a religious institution, and I object to those who propose calling non-religious marriages “civil unions”. Call it what it is. If two unrelated adults who romantically love one another make an exclusive lifelong committment to one another, it is a marriage (there are, of course, other legally recognized marriages such as pre-arranged marriages, but in this country, overall when people make a lifelong commitment, they are getting married). If a religion doesn’t want to perform or recognize same sex marriages, fine, but they have no business inflicting that dogma on those who don’t subscribe to it, and this is true even if the majority subscribe to that dogma.
“Nathan the irrational baby pretending he once was a marine.”
Stop it. He was and is a marine, and I see no reason to assume otherwise.
If you want to think that whiney crybaby is a marine, that’s your choice.
The Center-Right Nation Exits Stage Left
Here’s the main thought Republicans are consoling themselves with these days: Notwithstanding President-elect Barack Obama, a nearly filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate and the largest Democratic majority in the House of Representatives since 1993, the United States is still a center-right country. Sure, voters may be angry with Republicans now, but eventually, as the Bush years recede and the GOP modernizes its brand, a basically right-tilting electorate will come back home.
The only problem: It isn’t true.
Some examples may be illuminating. In, say, 1980, it would not have been acceptable for a Democratic candidate to have an unwed pregnant teenage daughter; now it makes a Republican candidate more human. In 1980, the Democrats would have been crucified if they had proposed nationalizing the banks; now a Republican administration de facto does it. In 1980, no Democrat even mentioned homosexuals in public, let alone argued that same-sex marriage should be legal; now about 40-50% of the country supports the idea and a substantial majority supports the same thing as long as it is called a “civil union” and not a “marriage.” The list goes on with things that were at the outer limits of the Democrats’ wildest dreams in 1980 and now most Democrats, many independents, and even some moderate Republicans support. The landscape has shift far to the left since Ronald Reagan first took office.
more at:
http://tinyurl.com/5wh3vj
“If you want to think that whiney crybaby is a marine, that’s your choice.”
Being a marine does not innoculate someone from being needlessly quick to take offense at those who disagree with him (i.e., someone who comes across as a whiner). You have no evidence to back up your assertion that Nathan is not a marine, and Nathan’s status as a marine (including the time he actually blogged from Iraq) has been well known. The guy’s public identity is well known. You discredit yourself, O’ Superman camp villain, far more than you do Nathan with your baseless assertion. I stand by what I said.
mxyzptlk
Posted November 16, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
If you want to think that whiney crybaby is a marine, that’s your choice.
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I think it is only honest on your part that you admit who you were before you became this hodgepodge of letters. I say chass and if that isn’t right clear it up.
The libtards are the most cowardly people around but they talk such a big game.
Who are you and why hide behind this nic? Show us you have a spine and can do something other that calling others names.
Thanks Agnatha.
Mxyzptlk,
Why don’t we get together so you can see for yourself that I am indeed a Marine?
Otherwise, shut up.
From the syllabus (summary) of the 6-3 Lawrence that determined homosexuals to be human being with rights:
The Bowers Court’s initial substantive statement–“The issue presented is whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy … ,” 478 U.S., at 190–discloses the Court’s failure to appreciate the extent of the liberty at stake. To say that the issue in Bowers was simply the right to engage in certain sexual conduct demeans the claim the individual put forward, just as it would demean a married couple were it said that marriage is just about the right to have sexual intercourse. Although the laws involved in Bowers and here purport to do not more than prohibit a particular sexual act, their penalties and purposes have more far-reaching consequences, touching upon the most private human conduct, sexual behavior, and in the most private of places, the home. They seek to control a personal relationship that, whether or not entitled to formal recognition in the law, is within the liberty of persons to choose without being punished as criminals. The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to choose to enter upon relationships in the confines of their homes and their own private lives and still retain their dignity as free persons.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZS.html
I know Nathan was a marine (I checked). You’ve missed my point.
Here is another Marine. Once a Marine always a Marine:
Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 – August 1, 1966) was a student at the University of Texas at Austin who killed 14 people and wounded 31 others as part of a shooting rampage from the observation deck of the University’s 32-story administrative building on August 1, 1966. He did this shortly after murdering his wife and mother. He was eventually shot and killed by Austin Police Officer Houston McCoy [1], assisted by Austin Police Officer Ramiro Martinez.
mxyzptlk,
Yes, and if you are a Marine, you also know that when you do something to disgrace yourself or the Marine Corps… like murder people, the “once a Marine, always a Marine” motto no longer applies.
Here are some Marines as well:
Marines Credited With Rescue at California Motel Fire
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449165,00.html
“LAKE FOREST, Calif. — A half-dozen off-duty Marines who raced through a burning motel on Sunday warning sleeping guests that it was on fire were hailed as lifesaving heroes.”
Kinky Friendman wrote a song about it:
Ballad of Charles Whitman
He was sitting up there for more than an hour,
Way up there on the texas tower
Shooting from the twenty-seventh floor. yahoo!
He didnt choke or slash or slit them,
Not our charles joseph whitman,
He wont be an architect no more.
Got up that morning calm and cool,
He picked up his guns and walked to school.
All the while he smiled so sweetly
And it blew their minds completely,
Theyd never seen an eagle scout so cruel.
Now wont you think for the shame and degradation
For the schools administration
He put on such a bold and brassy show.
The chance looked right, its adolescent
And of course its most unpleasant
But I got to admit it was a lovely way to go.
There was a rumor about a tumor
Nestled at the base of his brain.
He was sitting up there with his .36 magnum
Laughing wildly as he bagged em.
Who are we to say the boys insane ?
Now charlie was awful disappointed
Else he thought he was anointed
To do a deed so lowdown and so mean.
The students looked up from their classes
Had to stop and rub their glasses,
Whod believe hed once been a marine.
Now charlie made the honor roll with ease,
Most all of his grades was as and bs.
A real rip snorting trigger squeezer
Charlie proved a big crowd pleaser
Though he had been known to make a couple cs.
Some were dying, some were weeping,
Some were studying, some were sleeping,
Some were shouting texas # 1!
Some were running, some were falling,
Some were screaming, some were balling,
Some thought the revolution had begun.
The doctors tore his poor brain down,
But not a snitch of illness could be found.
Most folks couldnt figure just-a why he did it
And them that could would not admit it,
Theres still a lot of eagle scouts around.
There was a rumor about a tumor
Nestled at the base of his brain.
He was sitting up there with his .36 magnum
Laughing wildly as he bagged em.
Who are we to say the boys in
Who are we to say the boys in
Who are we to say the boys insane ?
Nathaniel,
Aren’t you going to answer my two simple questions from yesterday?
1) Do you believe that the agricultural economist Dennis Avery is a credible source re AGW science?
2) Are the peer-reviewed scientists who say that Avery misrepresents their opinions on AGW wrong?
okobserver,
Are you claiming that the Secret Service reported NO increase in threats? Link please.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/11/open-thread-1114/#comment-469463
Am_Way–
Thanks for clearing up the military pension vs. Soc Security retirement issue.
My guess is that Regular is still a little short of retirement, even though he sounds like a grumpy old man.
It’s unlikely that Soc. Sec. will be “means tested” (i.e., if you have the means to live on your own, you must without SS).
FDR very clearly wanted everyone to have to pay in so that everyone would get a pay out. I put those payroll taxes in, he once said, so that “no damn politicians” could take away benefits.
Making sure everyone gets something–not just poor people–is the surest way to keep it going.
The other problem with “means testing” is that the amount of Soc Security paid to the top one percent is . . . uh . . . only about one percent.
It’s not enough to make a difference.
Yes, and if you are a Marine, you also know that when you do something to disgrace yourself or the Marine Corps… like murder people, the “once a Marine, always a Marine” motto no longer applies. – Nathan
Exactly my point Nathan. Thank you for clearing that up for us!
Now do you understand Agnatha?
BTW: Due to his status as a veteran Marine, Whitman had a casket draped with an American flag for his burial in Section 16 of the Hillcrest Memorial Park in West Palm Beach, Florida.[22]
The doctors tore his poor brain down,
But not a snitch of illness could be found.
Not true.
At a funeral home the next day an autopsy was performed as requested in Whitman’s suicide note and approved by Whitman’s father, Charles Adolf Whitman, and performed by Dr. Chenar. A brain tumor was found and initially reported as an astrocytoma brain tumor.[15] Whitman, in the note, wanted to have the examination to help prevent future tragedies as the one he was about to commit. Governor John Connally had a task force commission assembled that included neurologists and other psychiatric professionals who re-examined Dr. Chenar’s findings and found that Chenar had mis-identified the tumor. The commission found that Whitman had been suffering from a glioblastoma, a highly cancerous and deadly tumor. This has led to speculation that the tumor may have been contributory to his rampage.[20]
If I ever question the intelligence of certain people on this forum I should remember that there is a good chance they are smarter than this woman:
http://www.katu.com/news/34292654.html
She fell for the Nigerian scam despite numerous people telling her it was a scam. Now she’s out $400,000.
Kinky never claimed to be a doctor. I always thought whitman had a tumor too.
The great ONE, Obama is on 60 Minutes.
All Hail Obama!
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BTW: Due to his status as a veteran Marine, Whitman had a casket draped with an American flag for his burial in Section 16 of the Hillcrest Memorial Park in West Palm Beach, Florida.[22]
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Hey Numb Nuts, you forgot Lee Harvey Oswald, Marine Corp.
Oswald was one of those leftists, you know – the kind that is sorry he didn’t do enough like old Bill Ayers.
“Why don’t we get together so you can see for yourself that I am indeed a Marine?”
Let’s see if bigotbox calls out nathan for issuing a juvenile invitation for a one on one meetup.
It makes me very proud! He is measured, thoughtful, serious, well informed, confident, inspiring… He is a president of the United States and boy, have we needed one after the abysmal years of bush.
mxyzptlk
Posted November 16, 2008 at 6:35 pm | Permalink
The great ONE, Obama is on 60 Minutes.
All Hail Obama!
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Ashamed of who you are huh. You sure are interested in everyone else and their nics. Coward have you been so bad you can’t even admit who you really are?
Come on show us you have a spine.
“The libtards are the most cowardly people around but they talk such a big game.”
O.M.F.G.
Uh, it was the ultrawingnut BIGOTBOX who’s weenied out TWICE on things he “talked a big game about”.
Jesus WEPT. I dont know any “libs” who’ve weenied out on things like that. Things they “talk big about”.
Sumbiotch. Do you drink during the day?
BlueJay did.
He didn’t go to meetup with regular.
He must be a coward too.
Linda the other day you explained to the blog what mxyzptlk meant. You seem to know a lot about this poster and he quotes BJ a lot. Some of his more stupid remarks about community corrections workers you know.
You were adamant that I be honest with my one nic change which I was. Tell you leftard ‘friend’ to be honest now. Why have two standards – one for the right and one for the left?
I hope Obama has more strength of character than his supporters on this blog.
Nah, farmgrrl, that was the first thing I thought of last Friday when the liar posted his email to himself. There are honorable people who have met and found common ground who were called everything evil by Boxlock20. People who found the time well spent to look one another in the eyes and acknowledge the goodness there. Boxlock20 stands alone in his lack of integrity.
Lets see the long list of cowards:
BlueJay… didn’t meet Regular.
Chas… Refuses to meet any of the Conservatives.
Linda…Doesn’t want to meet me
Then we have the liberals who hide behind nics while attacking others:
Cosmos, Maggotpunk…
The list goes on.
Linda,
So when do you want to meet, to acknowledge the goodness when you look into my eyes?
Agreed Linda. I am so glad to have met you and many others here. I look forward to meeting more good people, like Monkeyhawk, Wichi, and others I’m sure I’m forgetting to mention.
Nathan, stfu. You know YOU are the reason JR was asked not to come to that meeting with Reg and Steven. And like the good friend he is, JR honored Steven’s well thought out request.
You on the otherhand, have caused an entire meetup to be cancelled.
Jesus. You people.
Does anyone but me think it’s funny that golfnutboy is one of the nics that’s disappeared? I wonder if he’s crying in his lonely beer, got banned, or is so busy with his “buying opportunities” he isnt here?
Or just posting under a different nic.
We need to see who is going sockless now that all the puppets are out of the drawer and in the laundry basket.
Oh yeah, I’d like to meet Cosmos and MP and Agnatha and come to think of it, I feel like I know Chas but I’ve never met him.
Keep talking gun boy and remind me of all the posters I’ve come to have true affection for.
LOTS of good people here.
And nathan, pretty much none of the sane posters here have any desire to meet with the cons.
Notice how you and them are not told when a meetup is being held? That’s deliberate. And no we’re not afraid. We just dont like you.
I don’t know who mxyzptlk is. The google tells you the name is from Superman comic books… I do wonder and I have my own suspicions. Kinda have it down to a couple of previous posters.
But, okobserver, you ignored requests for who you were previously for several days. You made statements about how you probably would have liked this poster ksgram we were telling you about. You did finally admit what most of us had already figured out.
I don’t know why anyone changes nics — other than a few who had to change when registration began and explained that situation immediately. You know more about that than I do. Whoever, mxyzptlk is we all recognize s/he is a blogger we’ve long known under another nic.
Nathaniel
Posted November 16, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink
Linda,
So when do you want to meet, to acknowledge the goodness when you look into my eyes?
_________________________
Now THAT is creepy.
Regular
Posted November 16, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
“If my earnings from my military exceeds what I would receive from Social Security, I don’t get anything. If it is a little less than the max benefit I get a partial check from SS.”
Hey Regular you also may want to look closely at
page 2 of your annual Social Security Statement. About halfway down the page, below the green line in the right hand column, read what it says under subparagraph (3).
It is referring to the military. If you then go to the SS website you will see that not only will you receive SS, but the estimated amount shown on your annual statements: is UNDERstated.
Why? Because our earnings during our service included entitlements which were nontaxable, and not included in our total wages. Because our BAQ (housing allowance), BAS (food or commuted rations), VHA, etc.. was paid to us nontaxed, SS did not give us credit for those earnings.
Of course, higher earnings each year increase our entitlement. Below is from the SS on how much additional annual income you are due:
“If you served in the military in 1957 through 1977, you are credited with $300 in additional earnings for each calendar quarter in which you received active duty basic pay.
If you served in the military in 1978 through 2001, you are credited with an additional $100 in earnings, up to a maximum of $1,200 a year, for every $300 in active duty basic pay. After 2001, additional earnings are no longer credited.
If you began your service after September 7, 1980, and did not complete at least 24 months of active duty or your full tour, you may not be able to receive the additional earnings. Check with us for more information.”
(The amounts above will be added to your annual social security taxed earnings – and not directly to your monthly entitlement. It will increase your annual earnings for each year you served, which will be used to re-compute your monthly entitlement. I don’t think in the formula it will result in a big increase in monthly entitlement, but it’s your money.)
“Does anyone but me think it’s funny that golfnutboy is one of the nics that’s disappeared?”
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He didn’t disappear. He is one of my fans! Occasionally he drops in to make fun of me in some way. Most recently on the thread about the Wichita school bond issue.
Exactly KFG,
Boxlock was not afraid, he just doesn’t like immature idiots like BlueJay.
Why would Steven ask BlueJay to stay away?
It is because he knows what an imature idiot BlueJay is and how disruptive he would be.
And that honorable friend, still drove by to get a look at Regular instead of stopping.
Yep, not only was he too much of a coward to stop, he didn’t respect his friends wishes enough to stay away and he still drove by.
LOL
Heh. Sorry for you about that, Linda. I was lucky enough not to see that.
I have to write my column tomorrow and I’m thinking I’ll use the idea you gave me.
You are a good woman! I dont know why you pick up these wingnut trolls. They think you are easy prey.
Heheh. AHAHAHAHAHAHHA.
Foolish boys…
Oh YEAH fer cryin’ out loud. I’ve never met Pmom in person either, but I also feel like I know her. She’s become a good friend.
LOTS of good people here! I know I’m leaving out a boatload of ‘em.
KFG,
I didn’t “cause” a meetup to be canceled either.
Linda and WS Clark were too busy crying about how I was intimidating them and that they were not going to go.
No matter how much I tried to reason with either of them, it didn’t matter. They were the ones who ruined the meetup not me.
And like the good friend he is, JR honored Steven’s well thought out request.
A typical lib lie told by KFG. Honored it my foot. Slunk around like a long legged spider trying to be a look see and too yellow to step like a man.
Pranked good.
Linda you would need to show me the days that I didn’t step up and admit who I was. Never intended to deceive anyone or I could have lied like Chas and Capn and their multiple nics.
I had some fun with you libs before admitting the change and also have told you why I changed. It really hasn’t mattered. KFG insists on her childish name of germie for me and chass still thinks I am his grannie.
Libtards all. The intelligence threshhold on the left is very low. Many just never grew up it seems.
“Linda,
So when do you want to meet, to acknowledge the goodness when you look into my eyes?” — Nathaniel
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Never.
“Boxlock was not afraid, he just doesn’t like immature idiots like BlueJay.
Why would Steven ask BlueJay to stay away? ”
Big differences.
For one, the meetup in question was set up by Steven and was really between him and reg. JR didnt agree to a one on one and then act like a coward and stand up the other person. Big difference.
And secondly, I suspect Steven asking JR to not attend was more about YOU than JR.
He was fine with JR coming until your trouble making ass decided to invite yourself. I dont think he’d have asked JR to not attend if I was the third party or pretty much anyone else.
AND, IIRC, YOU weenied out and didnt show up either that day. After you said you would. WTF? Pot, meet kettle.
I’m thinking it was trouble with YOU Steven was trying to avoid. JR has never caused any problem with folks in person. Nor has he threatened to.
You, on the other hand, caused an entire meetup to be canceled.
See a pattern here?
Linda all flowery words with no substance. A lot like Peter Hitchens said this morning about Obama.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!
“Never.”
Linda, how do you REALLY feel?
HEHEHEHEH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Good one.
“They were the ones who ruined the meetup not me.”
hehehe. Just keep telling yourself that. Whatever gets you through those long, lonely nights.
Denial. It’s not just a river in Egypt.
Linda, I think grmie is jealous of the friendships we all share. So are some others….
Why be jealous? Cant you make friends on your own?
I think grmie needs to go see her “lesbian neighbors”. Damn. I would LOVE to hear what they say about her. They probably say “it smells like socks in here” after she leaves.
ROFLMQAO!!!!!!!!!!!
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American_Way
Posted November 16, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink
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Two posts clearly state mxyzptlk’s opinion:
mxyzptlk
Posted November 16, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink
mxyzptlk
Posted November 16, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
If you want to think that whiney crybaby is a marine, that’s your choice.
And after being scolded by a fellow poster, we see the typical tap dancing act, trying to recover:
mxyzptlk
Posted November 16, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
I know Nathan was a marine (I checked). You’ve missed my point.
You are busted mxyzptlk.
Does this behavior remind anyone of another poster who will never admit to being wrong?
PS: Anyone familiar with the military knows the word “Marine” is always capitalized.
Nathan I would not waste my time responding to whale shi-, or something slightly lower than.
You’ve met me face to face any number of times Nathan.
Nathan is rather more shy and reserved in person than he comes across here.
You had ample opportunity to be just as boisterous and nasty to me in person as you are here.
Me? At the meetups, I always had better things to do than talk to the cons.
And folks? I’m SUCH a “coward”, that I stayed alone with Hank AND Nathan to help clean up after the first meet up. Both of them armed and me just with my pen knife.
See
The
Funny
Unicorns……
“Linda you would need to show me the days that I didn’t step up and admit who I was.” — okobserver
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Your nic change just really isn’t that important. I can’t imagine why I would spend any time searching. You know why you changed nics, and I don’t care. Maybe someone else does. You seem hung up on why mxyzptlk has a new nic and who s/he was before the nic change. As I said, you have more experience on why anyone would want to change nics than I do.
Why the hell dont you cons quit whiiiiiining about our meetups and have your own?
Or would that be something like the sound of one hand clapping?
“Bitter, party of one? Your chair is ready”….
I’d like to meet mxyzptlk too!
AMway i said long ago this was just another in a long line of chass nics. But then the libtards would never call him on his frequent name changes would they.
There is no honesty among libs.
So
that
finally
uncovers
fermie was someone whining about your meetups? I didn’t see that. I thought we were talking about JR getting pranked. Good. I have a family and a very full life. I blog for fun. And I must admit you are one of the funniest bloggers here.
And talk about whining – there were demonstrations all over the country against prop 8. Where were you. Blogging. Bet that was a big help.
Hee hee hee heee….
And where were you today? Drinking?
It sure sounds like it.
Your fingers are slurring.
In case you have missed the last couple years of posting Nathan?
“Regular” is mentally unstable. He has threatened on more than one occasion to shoot me.
Not to mention his rather bizarre rantings about “unleashing blog terror” or telling XXX that “something bad is going to happen you soon!” or his threat to break into someone’s office.
And in case you can’t see it? You and okie and such folk light his fire. He feeds on your encouragement. You and “Regular” and me in a room together is a decidedly bad place to put him in.
I only live about a bazillion miles from the nearest demostration this weekend. I wasnt up for the drive. But you have no idea what I do for equality.
In kansas, it’s never enough. But it doesnt mean that good people, like Tom and I and thousands of others dont try.
Linda when I am attacked personally yes I do care who a person is. What they are hiding behind and from.
You don’t fool those of us on the right and I know this just frosts your behind but fortunately the right could care less until you start telling us how smart, compassionate, caring, and did I mention smart.
Legend in your own mind.
fermie is Wichita a bazillion miles from you because they had a demonstration here yesterday.
HEE HEE HEE HEEEEEE….
Grmie is getting as unhinged as another well known sock puppet. Linda is just about the nicest and kindest person one could ever meet. It’s a real honor to have her call you friend.
And btw, she IS smart as hell.
You know what they say in Texas.
It aint braggin’ if you can do it!
“fermie was someone whining about your meetups?”
In order to encourage like minded others to join us, I USED to post about the meetups.
I have since been asked not to as everytime I do, Nathan goes on an all day whine.
I enjoyed that interview with our new president and first lady! Class acts.
Oh so BJ you stayed aways because Reg is unstable and not because Steven your friend asked you to as fermie claimed.
Of course you didn’t really stay away so does it matter what reason you gave your friend Steven for why you ‘were staying away’.
“fermie is Wichita a bazillion miles from you”
Heheheheheh. Uh, yeah. This weekend a four hour one way drive might as well have been a bazillion miles.
I’m sure they had it well in hand without me.
Besides, I’m not as nice as Tom. Phred and his merry band of churchies might not have fared so well if I had been there.
My pup would have bitten his skinny ass.
Actually, haven’t we had several Republicans at the last several meetings? Kind-hearted people who want to give back aren’t represented by a political party.
Speaking of which, she’s whining at the door and apparently needs some Mama time.
Buhbye.
It was Steven’s idea I stay away. I agreed.
Steven did not know either way as I did not email him back in time.
ksfarmgrrl,
Why didn’t you just protest at the nearset city to you? You would have been so well supported there…….
Whatsa matter, don’t believe in you cause?
Or are you ashamed (as you should be)?
“..Reg is unstable..”
Do you care to dispute that?
BlueJay
Posted November 16, 2008 at 7:21 pm | Permalink
In case you have missed the last couple years of posting Nathan?
“Regular” is mentally unstable. He has threatened on more than one occasion to shoot me.
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Yeah Junior? Is that a fact?
I’ll challenge you once more then.
Show me where I said I would shoot you.
So far, you have failed to come up with any link.
Come on now, show it, prove it, let’s see what you got.
Come on spit and spray boy…
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BlueJay
Posted November 16, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink
“..Reg is unstable..”
Do you care to dispute that?
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Come on Junior, you know I wouldn’t slash your throat or anything like that…
Maybe just part of your throat…
(smirks)
Survey Again
What is right and what is wrong?
Place and R on the ones you believe are right and the ones you believe are wrong.
Those are your only 2 choices.
You have 10 minutes to answer the survey.
Ready, set, GOOOO!
1. Murder
2. Rape
3. Abortion
4. Sex outside of marriage
5. Lying
6. Cheating
7. Man and woman living together without being married
8. Stealing
9. Homosexuality
10. Heterosexuality
11. Euthanasia
12. Speeding on the highway
13. Tailgating
14. Government bailout of industry
15. Same-sex marriage
16. Burglary
17. Slander
18. Gossip
19. Libel
20. Working to provide your own living and living within your means.
21. Choosing to be dependent upon your government for your existence.
22. Being a liberal
Lurking waiting your cue Jimmuh?
So, your mentioning that you were looking for your “twice barrel” in posting to me meant…what?
You also posted about shooting at cars on Kellogg.
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lindainks55
Posted November 16, 2008 at 7:27 pm | Permalink
Actually, haven’t we had several Republicans at the last several meetings? Kind-hearted people who want to give back aren’t represented by a political party.
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Were they all knuckle scraping primates like you classify other Republicans?
You know we Repubs can’t read or have ever taken any edjucashanul classes past “play doh pig modeling.”
Ooops! Again
And W on the ones you believe are wrong.
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BlueJay
Posted November 16, 2008 at 7:37 pm | Permalink
Lurking waiting your cue Jimmuh?
So, your mentioning that you were looking for your “twice barrel” in posting to me meant…what?
You also posted about shooting at cars on Kellogg.
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Where’s the link ’spittle boy?”
You do know that Wahine Tara has constantly scolded you for that reference as pure bull shyt – yet you continue to use it.
BlueBird,
What are your choices for the survey, eh?
The Obamas’ are going to be a real welcome treat to have in the White House.
The interview with them on 60 minutes provided some sense of security and warmth that finally we have normal people in charge instead of people from Wingnuttia.
KFG,
Also, maybe us Conservatives do have meetups. We just don’t see the need to constantly rub it in your faces like you immature liberals do.
Made me feel proud too, mxyzptlk! Like a breath of fresh air…
Democrats make their own truth.
Nathaniel
Posted November 16, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink
KFG,
Also, maybe us Conservatives do have meetups. We just don’t see the need to constantly rub it in your faces like you immature liberals do.
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Or maybe you rub each other’s guns and don’t really want to talk about it.
Was this the really first time you were proud of your country?
“Why didn’t you just protest at the nearset city to you?”
American, I picture Farmgirl waaaay out in the sticks. Your question brings to mind the old saying,
If a tree falls in a forest with no one to hear it, then does it make a sound?
I can just see Farmgirl standing in some goshforsaken wheat field, with nothing around for miles.
“Stop Prop 8! Stop Prop 8!” ;-
Dehr go duh libs agin, taulkin bad abot udders.
I know Linda. I can’t hardly wait until Shrub is back on his farm in Texass being the noody he is.
A President who is intelligent and reads Lincoln.
Michelle is way too cool. She’s going to raise the bar for First Lady like nobody’s business.
Trailer trash like Palin won’t stand a chance.
I can here the tree falling just now……..
Wishhhhhhpapapat!!!!!!!!!!!!
noody = nobody
Hey Nathan check your email about the next meetup.
Bring your reloads. The shelves are getting bare.
Michelle is way too cool…..
Oh boy.
oKIE??? When are you going to get over your gross parnoia??? I AM NOT MXYZ….. Get that through your thick skull… ASK “letter nic” he/she will tell you…. I can call you names without some fake nic to do it… Come to think of it, I do that frequently… GOT IT???
Yeah America NEEDS a cool first lady.
Didn’t you get your tape recording?
Hmm, first time I ever got to wait for “moderation”.
Trying again….
I’m not going on a dig over you Jimmuh.
How about when you told XXX “something bad is going to happen to you soon”?
Let’s save some time. HOPEFULLY not feeding you.
Is there any poster here who does NOT think ol’ “Regular” by any other nic is crazier than a s___ house rat?
Another global warming blunder in reporting. You will not find this article in the MSM.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml
mxyzptlk,
noody = secret code for way too cool?
So Nathan and AmWay are going to rub each other’s guns?
Go for it boys! Make daddy Hank proud of you Nathan.
Ummmm george??? pull your head out…. The London Telegraph IS MSM…. ROFL!!!!!!
BlueBird,
Are you a credible source to be asking character questions?
kfg certainly is an divisive figure, isn’t she. She apparently judges people solely on their political views, especially their position in regard to her pet issue. She insults and ridicules. She is never nice to anyone that disagrees with her.
And then she gathers support with her victim hood, a few kind words and pats on the head. But there is no doubt, she is a leader.
Is that the kind of politics we want to continue? Can we as a country, afford to continue to bicker like children and hate others for their politics?
Although I don’t agree the liberals here about your politics, I won’t let it leak over into how I would relate to you personally. One of my very best friends, who I hold in high regard, is a liberal goofball. We are not afraid to talk politics and we have a lot of other stuff in common. Maybe you have conservative friends.
Reason can prevail. Let’s not let our actions be determined by the most extreme elements.
And how is the fine Pastor Chas this evening?
Preach on the Gospel of Brian this eve?
“American” Are you another of “Regular”’s nics?
American
“Posted November 16, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink
BlueBird, Are you a credible source to be asking character questions?”
And the answer is NO:
“I confessed to the only two posts I did as JM.
I posted yesterday only a few times during the day and only was on for an hour or so last night.
I don’t play with identities. Sometime, I’ll tell you why.”
Posted by: J R | November 07, 2007 at 09:51 PM
outlander,
You are correct 100%.
I am just having fun tonight.
Is that the worst ya got on me “American_way”?
And you have it bookmarked I bet.
Since this is the umpteenth time you’ve used it?
What can you expect from the rube Junior. The boy hasn’t ever traveled outside the state of Kansas and thinks the world is represented by what he sees on MSNBC.
BlueistBirdie,
Oh wise and knowing Reggie.
Not!
Regular,
Are you me, or am I you?
Hmmmmm I slam Okie, and both Okie and “letter nic” disappear… most interesting…
BlueistBirdie,
You got a job yet?
And if not, why not?
Damn… time to go…. the sock puppets are talking to themselves now…. bye for now!!
1,2,5,6,8,16,17,19 American I think these are wrong no matter the circumstances. There are others that I really could give an unconditional R or W to. I think I am a mix between conservative and independent with a small bit liberalism mixed in.
Where are you going with this?
Chas,
What chapter of Brian is that from?
couldn’t give
American_Way,
If you are really interested in going shooting sometime:
netthrowaway@gmail.com
“Lets see the long list of cowards:
“BlueJay… didn’t meet Regular.”
But he did try to meet Boxlock.
“Chas… Refuses to meet any of the Conservatives.
“Linda…Doesn’t want to meet me.”
I don’t blame Linda for not wanting to meet you. Your conduct with her has been deplorable. And it is interesting in an irony impaired way, you have often gone after Linda for not condemning the actions of “other liberals”. So, considering your pre-emptive question to Boxlock and his admitted weaseling out of the meet that Blue Jay went to, where is YOUR consistency of good for the goose, good for the gander?
“Then we have the liberals who hide behind nics while attacking others:
Cosmos, Maggotpunk…”
Cosmos posts on topic and tends to demolish those who he goes against, particularly on the topic of global climate change, mainly because he always remains on point. Almost universally, his “attacking others” is in response to attacks on him. Regular, in his typically trollish way, started the feud with cosmos, and you have not performed much better. I find it interesting that so many here resort to pathetic little ad hominems against Cosmos as soon as they stop getting anywhere with arguments based on evidence.
And seriously, “Maggotpunk’s” identity is as well known as say, “Franklin’s”.
As for me, yes, I use a nic rather than my name. I have good reasons for doing so (it’s actually advisable on blogs and discussion boards like this). And people NOT posting their names is not necessarily evidence of either cowadice or a desire to be an anonymous flamethrower.
“The list goes on.”
I have never seen YOU apply standards of behavior evenly on this blog with regards to people you agree with or disagree with. The problem I have with this last post is that you were clearly, on the infamous “marriage” thread, willing to laugh about “Blue Jay’s” weasling out of a meetup, but then your first reaction is to defend Boxlock, who clearly was not only the one who weaseled out of the meet, but who also has gotten his stories about what he was doing mixed up to the point that it is clear that he is lying about something. And Boxlock is every bit as intemperate as ANYONE who has posted here, and there are clearly right leaning posters who are every bit the flame thrower as any left leaning poster.
And to a previous subject:
O’ Superman camp villain.
There is a huge difference between murder and being oversensitive on a blog. The insult about Nathan not being a marine is unnecessary. It muddies the water. I still stand by what I said.
That being said, I agree with your comments about Obama on 60 Minutes. An adult in charge of the White House will be a refreshing change.
okobserver,
You believe that the below are Wrong:
1. Murder
2. Rape
5. Lying
6. Cheating
8. Stealing
16. Burglary
17. Slander
19. Libel
And you are uncommital on the below:
3. Abortion
4. Sex outside of marriage
7. Man and woman living together without being married
9. Homosexuality
10. Heterosexuality
11. Euthanasia
12. Speeding on the highway
13. Tailgating
14. Government bailout of industry
15. Same-sex marriage
18. Gossip
20. Working to provide your own living and living within your means.
21. Choosing to be dependent upon your government for your existence.
22. Being a liberal
Interesting!
Anybody else want to complete the survey?
Reason can prevail.
Really?
Was it reasonable to invade Iraq?
To fire federal prosecutors who refused to witch hunt for Bush Co?
To out Valerie Plame Wilson to get back at her husband’s critical and true report?
To link Iraq with 9-11?
To DOUBLE the national debt?
To “swift-boat” John Kerry?
okobserver,
Just making a survey, to see who believes what and maybe find out why they believe it.
American–
Your survey is as simple minded as you are: lying for instance is normally bad, but let’s say your friend gives you a gift you hate, are you going to be honest and tell him that you hate it.
Choosing to be dependent upon your government for your existence.
To some extent, we’re all dependent upon our government for our existence.
They call it World War Two . . .
For what it is worth, your survey is too black and white.
A thought tendency cons are bent to.
Regular still hasn’t admitted he was wrong about his Social Security.
He’d rather be right than collect his money.
What a maroon.
American I meant to mark 15 and 20 as right. Sorry.
BlueJay
Posted November 16, 2008 at 8:22 pm | Permalink
For what it is worth, your survey is too black and white.
A thought tendency cons are bent to.
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BJ in your world are you ever responsible for you. In your black and white world is there ever a shade of gray?
You are pitiful. Wake up before you totally destroy that kid you are raising.
OkO–
You have no right to pass judgement on JR’s parenting of his son.
You haven’t even met him.
Now behave or we’ll have to wheel you back to your room . . .
Capn you have no right to do half of the things you do but you do them anyway. JR thinks he is the judge of the universe and I am very concerned with him instilling this in his son. How hard his life will be with JR’s view of life.
CapnAmerica,
I have met BlueJay and his son… do I have a right to pass judgement on him as he routinely does my father and I? The mother of mine he has never met?
Capn there is a very good reason I have never met JR and won’t in the future. He and WS threatened to shut down our family business without knowing anything about me or mine only that we were republicans.
That is scary. He is scary. Today you heard him once again throwing stones because our company helps community corrections employees get their lifes back. He shouldn’t be influencing kids.
Heh
Okie never misses a chance to throw her support hose at me.
I’ll go further and call the survey silly.
Tailgating on the same list as murder?
The Jawless Fish writes:
“As for me, yes, I use a nic rather than my name. I have good reasons for doing so (it’s actually advisable on blogs and discussion boards like this). And people NOT posting their names is not necessarily evidence of either cowadice or a desire to be an anonymous flamethrower.”
The truth is that the ‘jawless fish’s’ first choice of nicks ‘The Happy Pumpkin’ was not stout enough to withstand the pressures of the WE Blog.
CapnAmerica
Posted November 16, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink
Regular still hasn’t admitted he was wrong about his Social Security.
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That’s because I’m not wrong, I’ve already checked with the SS administration.
“JR thinks he is the judge of the universe ”
Huh?
Heh, pass away Nathan.
“. He and WS threatened to shut down our family business ”
Boycott does not = shut down.
“Today you heard him once again throwing stones because our company helps community corrections employees get their lifes back.’
Yeah I’ve been learning about how some folks “help” community corrections folk. Given your character, I am not optimistic you would look so much helpful as exploitive.
“He shouldn’t be influencing kids.”
The Judge found otherwise.
Blowhard a threat is a threat. Do your libtard friends know you do this.
You don’t know me or my character. You should be so lucky.
When i find myself trading jabs with you I know it is time to shut the computer down.
“Lady” if I ever THINK we are trading jabs I’ll let you know.
It was a conservative who advised me to look into how community corrections people are treated. They had you in mind okie.
“That’s because I’m not wrong, I’ve already checked with the SS administration.”
Was that before or after you got your slashed tires fixed?
S!ht. Once again I made a mistake . . . I believed something that ReguLIAR wrote.
My bad . . . And I won’t make that mistake again.
Well CapnAmerica?
I think BlueJay welcomes whatever attacks he gets by his own actions here.
Did you and KFG ever get your little buddy health care yet?
george posted November 16, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Another global warming blunder in reporting. You will not find this article in the MSM.
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Because it contains insignificant, and inaccurate garbage.
Both george AND outie continue proving how completely gullible and 100% clueless they are re AGW science.
‘Mountains out of molehills’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/11/mountains_out_of_molehills.php
Nathaniel
1) Do you believe that the agricultural economist Dennis Avery is a credible source re AGW science?
2) Are the peer-reviewed scientists who say that Avery misrepresents their opinions on AGW wrong?
YES, Nathan, you’ll be happy to know that a bunch of us took up a collection and got health care for JR.
Actually we didn’t.
But from now on, I’m just going to post like ReguLIAR does and just say whatever is convenient to say to whenever I want to with absolutely no regard to the truth.
See how you CONs like it . . .
“I have met BlueJay and his son”
SO has Capn by the way.
My son and I attended a film about the Halliburton and other corporate profiteers in Iraq that Capn put on.
I think I can handle parental criticisms from Nathan if he has any. Since he ya know, will never have any kids.
BTW, there’re no links that have Bob Graham sponsoring any bills that cut Social Security for vets.
What a lying POS. What an embarassment this post-er must be for you CONs . . .
george
Your author does not seem to understand basic statistics.
outlander posted November 16, 2008 at 8:38 am
“but they [GISS] are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.”
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Ooops! It looks like outlander’s “journalist”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker
does not understand a simple basic fact of statistics.
When comparing anomaly data sets that use different references, you have to adjust for the different references, BEFORE comparing the data.
GISS does NOT consistently show higher temperatures than the other 3 data sets.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-11-16-gitmo-juvenile_N.htm
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — The U.S. has revised its count of juveniles ever held at Guantanamo Bay to 12, up from the eight it reported in May to the United Nations, a Pentagon spokesman said Sunday.
The government has provided a corrected report to the U.N. committee on child rights, according to Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon. He said the U.S. did not intentionally misrepresent the number of detainees taken to the isolated Navy base in southeast Cuba before turning 18.
“As we noted to the committee, it remains uncertain the exact age of many of the juveniles held at Guantanamo, as most of them did not know their own date of birth or even the year in which they were born,” he said.
A study released last week by the Center for the Study of Human Rights in the Americas concluded the U.S. has held at least a dozen juveniles at Guantanamo, including a Saudi who committed suicide in 2006.
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Holding children for years without trial.
Wow. You CONs must be so proud.
Hiya Cosmos. I had read about the NASA posting error at Anthony Watts’ website earlier but hadn’t heard anything about it in the MSM. Of course they would have never caught it because, rather than critically look at research and numbers from certain orgs like NASA, they eagerly lap up and amplify anything they put out.
If nothing else, we will all have a ready reply if you try to discredit Watts or others because they made some little error in the past. Because Hansen’s org (NASA) made a whopper, didn’t they?
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CapnAmerica
Posted November 16, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink
YES, Nathan, you’ll be happy to know that a bunch of us took up a collection and got health care for JR.
Actually we didn’t.
But from now on, I’m just going to post like ReguLIAR does and just say whatever is convenient to say to whenever I want to with absolutely no regard to the truth.
See how you CONs like it . . .
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Going from willfully ignorant to deliberately inaccurate would be a great improvement for you.
Holding children for years without trial.
Wow. You CONs must be so proud.
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Hmmm.. Did I hold some kids w/o trial? Regular, did you? Or is Capn using the tired old device of trying to take an alleged injustice or whatever and tar a large group with it, even though they didn’t have anything to do with it? How about tarring Texans Capn? Or Catholics. I bet at least one person who may have been responsible was a blond. Or Muslims. I know at least some interpreters are Muslims.
Some folks, like Capn, are so mentally stuck in a rut that they know nothing but us against them. Dinosaurs? One can only hope.
JR is a great parent, with a great kid. And he’s a great son too. He helped his mother beyond the call of duty when his father died. His Mom is very cool too, and when you meet her, you can see where he gets his smarts and ability to relate to people.
Eran (and some of you have met her) was here last week and AGAIN, we both commented how sorry we were that we did not go back to her house after the park meetup to see her flowers. A missed opportunity that will never be quite the same. Can you believe it JR? She was only here for a few days, and your Mom and her flowers were something we talked about.
“Why didn’t you just protest at the nearset city to you?”
Well, I’m located half way between KC and Denver, which means about a five hour drive to either. I hardly call Wichita a city, but it’s a four hour drive… so…
That’s either a ten hour or eight hour drive and I just wasnt up to it this weekend. And besides, they didnt need me. The mark of a mature movement is that it can function well on new blood and not rely on the old timers.
But it isnt as if I do nothing for the cause. I write. I blog. I advise people and organizations on political strategy. I am frequently invited to give speeches.
And I have given waaaaaaaay more money than I could afford.
I think I’ve done more than my fair share of the heavy work in this state. Like sisyphus, I’ve rolled that rock all the way up the hill and had it rollover me on its way back down. And I got up and started rolling it again. Even out here, I write about it and speak about it. My comments are in the Kansas Senate record where I testified for two years regarding the hate amendment.
And that doesnt even count what I do and contribute in Texas.
But I dont mind. My Dad always told me I could never go wrong doing the right thing.
My Dad was a very smart guy. One of my guy pals told me recently that he hoped his children would remember him as fondly and speak as often of him when he was dead as I do my Dad.
It’s the only way my Dad lives on. He’d be proud of me and what I’ve done.
So… up yer nose with a rubber hose if you think I’m doing nothing or doing something ineffectual. If Tom or Tiffany or Diane or any of the founders of this movement in Kansas were here, they’d confirm how much I’ve done.
As Tom once noted, I’m now “homo emeritus” in Kansas.
I dont have kids so I dont know much about parenting. But I know about being a good daughter and having a PERFECT Dad.
My Dad would have liked JR A LOT!!
Jesus WEPT that’s the third or fourth time American has posted that damn inane survey this weekend.
And still no takers but grmie? WTF? Why is it so important to you? Dont you see no one else gives a damn about it?
Geez. Give it up already. You could post it everyday and it wouldnt improve the participation rate.
I think we have another poster who needs attention and a belly rub.
Dearest BlueistBirdist,
Is tailgating wrong or right?
Simple question.
Do you have a simple answer?
Choose one: Wrong or right?
You can also answer the other questions and let us all know what you believe is right or wrong.
Too complicated?
Not too complicated… just to damned stupid!!
HOW is tailgating wrong.
Usually beer, food, sports, ice, grills, pretty women, music and fun.
WTF is wrong with tailgating?
other than that american is probably never invited to go tailgating….
ksfarmgrrl,
You are very intelligent and a quality communicator.
That much I agree upon.
Care to communicate what you believe about my survey?
By the way, I don’t spend as much time on this blog as most do.
I made some cheese and chicken enchiladas today with Hatch Green Chile Enchalada sauce and fresh pico de guyo that was made with my own serrano peppers and onions. I think I’ll have a snack and head for bed. The chickens wont care for themselves, the house wont clean itself, the pup wont feed herself and my column wont write itself. It’s gonna be a loooong day. I’m a lost cause, but the pup needs her beauty sleep. heheheheh!
Tailgating drivers, not tailgating at football games or other.
Gotch ya!
“Care to communicate what you believe about my survey?”
Uh, no.
But thanks for the compliments. They are always appreciated.
kfg posts:
“In fact, she’s quite wealthy, and earned it all on her own, no help at all from family. I got lucky in the parent lottery.
But I want equality. If straight folks give up on survivor benefits and all their special privileges, I will too.”
And that is what it is all about. Simply after the money is all.
Just what many suspected all along!
Stupid is as stupid does.
Chas, care to take the survey?
“ksfarmgrrl
Posted November 16, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink
“Care to communicate what you believe about my survey?”
Uh, no.”
Why not?
aw hell I’ll bite;
1. Murder Depends
2. Rape Wrong
3. Abortion Depends
4. Sex outside of marriage Depends
5. Lying Depends
6. Cheating Depends
7. Man and woman living together without being married Right
8. Stealing Depends
9. Homosexuality Right
10. Heterosexuality Right
11. Euthanasia Depends
12. Speeding on the highway Depends
13. Tailgating *a car?* Wrong
14. Government bailout of industry Depends
15. Same-sex marriage Right
16. Burglary Wrong
17. Slander Wrong
18. Gossip Wrong
19. Libel Wrong
20. Working to provide your own living and living within your means. Right, but nobody should have to work three jobs just to meet basics.
21. Choosing to be dependent upon your government for your existence. CHOOSING is wrong.
22. Being a liberal Right
Good night all,
May God’s grace be with you all tomorrow.
Peace, Love, Joy, and Hope.
Good night American.
God’s blessing on you (whatever you believe blessings to be).
The real world is not simplt black-and-white. For example; bailing out an industry is bad but might be the lesser of evils. So, your black-and-white survey is overly simplistic.
Ch. 12 had a item tonight showing that a bunch of folks set up a protest at (Evil) Spirit One today. In a quickie interview, Hollick said he didn’t really think Obama was a Muslim, but that he isn’t a Christian, i.e, he doesn’t believe exactly what Hollick believes, apparently. And that is a sin, at least in Hollick’s eyes.
I try not to judge, but some people… What are you gonna do?????
Dennis
I guesss Holick the Heretic is entitled to his opinion. And his koolaid-drinking cultists can follow their heretic. We should simply ask Holick the Heretic who exempted him from “Thou shalt not bear false witness”?
A-holick is a freakshow.
outlander posted November 16, 2008 at 9:40 pm
If nothing else, we will all have a ready reply if you try to discredit Watts or others because they made some little error in the past. Because Hansen’s org (NASA) made a whopper, didn’t they?
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Nope!
GISS did not make a “whopper”. They were given inaccurate data. GISS is not responsible for the data errors.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
2008-11-12: It seems that one of the sources sent September data rather than October data. Corrected GHCN files were created by NOAA. Due to network maintenance, we were only able to download our basic file late today. We redid the analysis – thanks to the many people who noticed and informed us of that problem.
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You should read this, and the linked pages.
‘Mountains out of molehills’
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/11/mountains_out_of_molehills.php
And outlander, your journalist Christopher Booker seems to still believe the old “whopper” that Watts made — Watts compared the 4 anomaly data sets WITHOUT adjusting for their DIFFERENT reference periods.
Keep proving that you’re clueless about AGW science, statistics, etc, outlander, by making your false and outlandish claims.
My hunch is that Nathan would like that guy, Holick… another one who haas been “gifted” with determining who is/isnt a Christian…. And if Holick says Obama isnt a Muslim, then why does he put it on his stupid sign?? Even the Muslims wouldnt like that crap!!
Outlander asks disingenously, “did I hold some kids w/o trial?”
No, outlander, you just support people who do.
“The question was not how this one man, Hitler, could be so evil. The question was how so many millions had not the courage to be good.”
Elie Wiesel is talking about you, outlander.
Gay Marriage Blog Site AGAIN?
It isn’t about equal rights. It isn’t even about money. It’s about recognition that gay people are NORMAL.
And if y’all need some Government Edict to make ya “Normal”, then guess what that makes you?
You can’t force someone to respect you or force someone to think you are normal, even if you get Big Brother to pass a law in your favor. And that is what has your panties in a bind.
And the way some of the self-proclaimed gays and gay activists here act with your nit-fits, you’re not going to convince anyone to think you are normal, or be supportive of your side.
Goodnite everyone, and have sweet dreams of Hope.
Each day going forward will be even more glorious then the last!
Obama will soon build his own kingdom, right here on Earth!
I am so inspired and filled with optimism at the hope the future now brings.
Everynight before I go to sleep, I read this. Obama inspires me oh so much!
“I should like to help everyone if possible; Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, black men, white, red, and yellow. We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each others’ happiness, not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone. And the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone. The way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way.
Greed has poisoned men’s souls; has barricaded the world with hate; we live in misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Industry that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge as made us cynical; our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than wealth we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. Modern communications and technology have brought us closer together. The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in man; cries out for universal brotherhood; for the unity of us all.
Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women, and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say “Do not despair.” The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the seventeenth chapter of St. Luke, it’s written “the kingdom of God is within man”, not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people, have the power, the power to create prosperity, the power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power.
Let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world, a decent world that will give men and women a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age a security. By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power. But they lie! They do not fulfill their promise. They never will! Evil rulers free themselves but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfill that promise! Let us fight to free the world! To do away with national barriers! To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance! Let us fight for a world of reason, a world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness.
Citizens of the world, in the name of democracy, let us all unite!
People can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up! The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light! We are coming into a new world; a kind new world, where men and women will rise above their hate, their greed, and brutality. Look up! The soul of mankind has been given wings and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow. Into the light of hope! Into the future! The glorious future! That belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up, everyone! Look up!”
Chas
Posted November 16, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink
oKIE??? When are you going to get over your gross parnoia??? I AM NOT MXYZ….. Get that through your thick skull… ASK “letter nic” he/she will tell you…. I can call you names without some fake nic to do it… Come to think of it, I do that frequently… GOT IT???
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The LIAR was at it again today.
Great Pastor though. (cough, cough)
No, he really does get all mushy and even more phony then usual around Christmas. Everyone will see a very different Chas starting the day after Thanksgiving, you know, when that great relgious season kicks-off.
Is Christmas before or after Kwanza this year?
MAYBE SOME NIGHT, IT MIGHT EVEN SINK IN!!! LOL
JIMJOHNSON = BLOG’S DUMBEST A$$HOLE!! AND PERVERT!!
JIM JOHNSON = FACIST CHRISTMAS HATER!!
JIM JOHNSON = SCROLLOVER TROLL
JimJohnson has to be the former MaxGrobnik who was banned and thus the new package for the old tired goods. Yawwwnnnn…
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StevenEDavis
Posted November 17, 2008 at 1:53 am | Permalink
JimJohnson has to be the former MaxGrobnik who was banned and thus the new package for the old tired goods. Yawwwnnnn…
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What was Max Grobnik banned for and how would you know he is banned?
“And that is what it is all about. Simply after the money is all.
Just what many suspected all along!”
So bigotbox, since your marriage has nothing to do with civil benefits and money and all…
How about you all give up the financial benefits of marriage. Let’s abolish marriage for both straights and gays. Then we’ll be equal and you wont have to soil your “marriage” with filthy lucre.
And max, er, jj, clearly didnt read my posts that essentially said you cons could stick your “social validation” where the sun dont shine.
nitwit AND illiterate
HEheheheh.
If we say we want equal money benefits, then you cons whiiiine about us being “all about the money”.
If we say it’s not about the money, then you whiiiiine about us wanting “social validation”.
Mostly? I think you just want to whiiiiiiine.
You are bigots. Admit it. The first step to recovery is admiting you need help….
“What was Max Grobnik banned for and how would you know he is banned?”
Oh, I dunno reggie. Maybe because after yet another round of nic stealing incidents, the WE issued and email that said the user accounts of “spoofers” would be disabled? And then a WHOLE BUNCH of nics suddenly disappeared at the same time? And then some of them REAPPPEARED in the same or slightly different form, all at the same time?
Ya think?
heheeh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.
It’s clear as a bell which nics were banned.
I’m only sorry the WE let them back in after a period of time. They should have been banned for good.
Oh, and if maxie and the whole sock puppet gang were not banned?
Then they must be too ashamed after the election to show their faces here again.
Mostly? I think you just want to whiiiiiiine.
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And your post on the ‘Gay” thread were what?
Whine.
Well, the weekend is over and it is Monday morning. Anti must be back at work posting on the company dime.
Heh. Most of the cons said my posts were angry and hateful and a bunch of other things. You want to add whining to the list?
WHatever.
Just give me equal protection under the law and you can call me “bob’s yer uncle” for all I care.
It doesnt change the truth about bigotry.
KFG=Whiner