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We had all better hope that Barack Obama’s wisdom is better than Franklin D. Roosevelt’s
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FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
By
Meg Sullivan
Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
After scrutinizing Roosevelt’s record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.
The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes,” Cole said. “Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened.”
-UCLA-
LSMS368
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx?RelNum=5409
Sometime shortly after 7 AM this morning (Thursday), about the time the sun is coming up in the east … look west. You should see the large full moon sinking down over the western horizon.
Mr. Dangle’s reported calculations fail to consider the millions of Americans who would have died of starvation without the New Deal. Of course since all the poor would have then been dead, the nation would have recovered.
Everyone knows what your purpose is, you chunk of vomit. It’s the beginning of an assault to derail whatever humanitarian assistance the Obama administration will enact.
There’s a reason Republicans are called Pukes.
That’s kindof like…when a pickle jar is too hard to open, and you struggle and struggle, then finally hand it off to someone else who opens it right away….what do you always say? “Well, I loosened it for you”.
Same principle. The cons can never admit their failures.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20070820/obesity-virus-more-bigger-fat-cells
Fat without guilt. Obesity is an infection!
Just finished reading an old “New Scientist.” in which a theory was advanced that complexities did not arise from natural selection but from genetic drift during times when there is little selective pressure. Thus mutations that might have had a competitive disadvantage when times are hard change the nature of the organism for no particular reason. Basically our brains are a matter of “luck.”
We should think of ourselves as degenerate apes, the story concluded.
Why Darwinism is Doomed
By: Jonathan Wells, Ph.D.
Worldnetdaily.com
September 27, 2006
Original Article
Harvard evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould wrote in 1977: “Biology took away our status as paragons created in the image of God.” Darwinism teaches that we are accidental byproducts of purposeless natural processes that had no need for God, and this anti-religious dogma enjoys a taxpayer-funded monopoly in America’s public schools and universities. Teachers who dare to question it openly have in many cases lost their jobs.
The issue here is not “evolution” — a broad term that can mean simply change within existing species (which no one doubts). The issue is Darwinism — which claims that all living things are descended from a common ancestor, modified by natural selection acting on random genetic mutations.
According to Darwinists, there is such overwhelming evidence for their view that it should be considered a fact. Yet to the Darwinists’ dismay, at least three-quarters of the American people — citizens of the most scientifically advanced country in history — reject it.
A study published Aug. 11 in the pro-Darwin magazine Science attributes this primarily to biblical fundamentalism, even though polls have consistently shown that half of the Americans who reject Darwinism are not biblical fundamentalists. Could it be that the American people are skeptical of Darwinism because they’re smarter than Darwinists think?
On Aug. 17, the pro-Darwin magazine Nature reported that scientists had just found the “brain evolution gene.” There is circumstantial evidence that this gene may be involved in brain development in embryos, and it is surprisingly different in humans and chimpanzees. According to Nature, the gene may thus harbor “the secret of what makes humans different from our nearest primate relatives.”
Three things are remarkable about this report. First, it implicitly acknowledges that the evidence for Darwinism was never as overwhelming as its defenders claim. It has been almost 30 years since Gould wrote that biology accounts for human nature, yet Darwinists are just now turning up a gene that may have been involved in brain evolution.
Second, embryologists know that a single gene cannot account for the origin of the human brain. Genes involved in embryo development typically have multiple effects, and complex organs such as the brain are influenced by many genes. The simple-mindedness of the “brain evolution gene” story is breathtaking.
Third, the only thing scientists demonstrated in this case was a correlation between a genetic difference and brain size. Every scientist knows, however, that correlation is not the same as causation. Among elementary school children, reading ability is correlated with shoe size, but this is because young schoolchildren with small feet have not yet learned to read — not because larger feet cause a student to read better or because reading makes the feet grow. Similarly, a genetic difference between humans and chimps cannot tell us anything about what caused differences in their brains unless we know what the gene actually does. In this case, as Nature reports, “what the gene does is a mystery.”
So after 150 years, Darwinists are still looking for evidence — any evidence, no matter how skimpy — to justify their speculations. The latest hype over the “brain evolution gene” unwittingly reveals just how underwhelming the evidence for their view really is.
The truth is Darwinism is not a scientific theory, but a materialistic creation myth masquerading as science. It is first and foremost a weapon against religion — especially traditional Christianity. Evidence is brought in afterwards, as window dressing.
This is becoming increasingly obvious to the American people, who are not the ignorant backwoods religious dogmatists that Darwinists make them out to be. Darwinists insult the intelligence of American taxpayers and at the same time depend on them for support. This is an inherently unstable situation, and it cannot last.
If I were a Darwinist, I would be afraid. Very afraid.
Why Darwinism is Doomed
By: Jonathan Wells, Ph.D.
Worldnetdaily.com
Doesn’t this citation automatically discredit the lengthy post copy/pasted by HLP?
“If I were a Darwinist, I would be afraid. Very afraid.”
Isn’t this an arrogant statement since there is no reason for “Darwinists” to be afraid? I guess this is just another creationist attack on science.
phew Hank!
I was relieved to find you article wasn’t another male enhancement commercial. That annoying whistle theme song and stupid grin of satisfaction is endemic and beginning to appear in parish and pastoral lands across out great country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTa98ixcy9Q
“HLP” –
Another quote from Jonathan Wells, Ph.D.
“”Father’s [Sun Myung Moon's] words, my studies, and my prayers convinced me that I should devote my life to destroying Darwinism, just as many of my fellow Unificationists had already devoted their lives to destroying Marxism. When Father chose me (along with about a dozen other seminary graduates) to enter a Ph.D. program in 1978, I welcomed the opportunity to prepare myself for battle.”
–Jonathan Wells, Darwinism: Why I Went for a Second Ph.D. [3]
Being surrounded by morons is not so much intimidating as it is frustrating.
Proud father of a second generation atheist.
From electoral-vote.com
“The Alaska Division of Elections counted 60,000 absentee ballots and provisional ballots yesterday and Sen. Ted Stevens’ 3200-vote lead over Anchorage mayor Mark Begich has been completely erased. Begich now leads by 814 votes, with another 20,000 absentee ballots that arrived after election day yet to be counted. In addition, 15,000 provisional ballots are still waiting to be verified and counted. Nationally, something like half of all provisional ballots are rejected, but the ones that are counted tend to skew Democatic. More ballots will be counted tomorrow, but Anchorage, where Begich is well known, won’t count until next week.”
The news is ALSO good in Minnesota for Al Franken in his race with Norm Coleman.
And Saxby (who names a kid that) Chambliss faces a runoff. President elect Obama should campaign heavily in that one.
With a magic 60 in the Senate, SO much con damage can be erased.
rightangle. Read “FDR” by Conrad Black the most indepth bio I’v ever read on FDR. I goes into the micro and macro economics of the Great Depression and pretty well proves the opposite of what you say. It’s about 1000 pages of well worded prose and worth the time for anyone who wants to get to the truth of Americas’ woes circa 1932 -1944. PS: Black is right wing of Attila the Hun
I doubt Saxby can be whipped, unless the stock market drops to like 3000 by election day, and ten to 20 million more our out of work. Wait a minute. He’ll lose for sure.
BlueJay
Posted November 13, 2008 at 7:28 am | Permalink
Being surrounded by morons is not so much intimidating as it is frustrating.
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Yeah, I know what you mean.
MSNBC Retracts False Palin Story; Others Duped
David Shuster, an anchor for the cable news network, said on air Monday that Martin Eisenstadt, a McCain policy adviser, had come forth and identified himself as the source of a FOX News Channel story saying Palin had mistakenly believed Africa was a country instead of a continent.
Eisenstadt identifies himself on a blog as a senior fellow at the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy. Yet neither he nor the institute exist; each is part of a hoax dreamed up by a filmmaker named Eitan Gorlin and his partner, Dan Mirvish, the New York Times reported Wednesday.
Gaines told the Times that someone in the network’s newsroom had presumed the information solid because it was passed along in an e-mail from a colleague.
Tards.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/13/msnbc-retracts-false-palin-story-duped/
I doubt Saxby can be whipped, unless the stock market drops to like 3000 by election day, and ten to 20 million more are out of work. Wait a minute. He’ll lose for sure.
Hank, who are these Darwinists?
Just for the record, I never believed the story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/television/13hoax.html?ei=5070&emc=eta1
I did however fall for the part that the story was leaked by the campaign. Just proves how easily we can be fooled by stories we want to believe. And nice to see how easily one man can play the same game the Pukes have played for years, and do it better that a half billion worth of think tank fibbers.
The blur between truth and lies seems to be blurring as demonstrated in ANTI’s link. One thing is certain, you cannot trust anything you hear or read in the MSM. Ruthless people have an agenda and don’t care who they hurt to achieve it. That happens when you don’t have a moral compass and sense of right and wrong based on a timeless standard.
So where does that leave us?
Funny what happens when all the votes are counted, the Democrat appears to win.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Senator_Ted_Stevens_opponent_now_leading_1113.html
Convict Ted Stevens (R-bribery) was said, on election night, to have pretty much wrapped up the election surprising the poll numbers which put his opponent ahead. Then it appears that while election turnout was record breaking throughout the nation in Alaska the numbers were lower than in the 2004 election. Surprise, there were found to be a lot of uncounted votes. As these votes get counted the Democratic opponent pulls ahead with an 814 vote lead.
Stevens could try going to court like Bush did to stop the votes from being counted but perhaps this guy is too tired of being in court.
In other good news the amount of spam you get will see a big drop off. McColo Co. was responsible for about 75% of the spam sent out, everything from fake drug companies to child porn. So internet providers cut them off.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-spam13-2008nov13,0,226322.story
“outlander” –
The one MSM outlet that bought the Moose-Dresser stories lock stock and barrel was your beloved Fox Noise Channel. So much so, the Freepers have threatened to boycott FNC!
The Freepers, f’r chrissake!
And my question is: if Fox is such a great news source, how come its senior McPalin reporter cited campaign insiders as his personal sources for the stories.
Don’t be so sure the Hoax spin is an effort at disinformation after the fact once word got out that most of the Moose-Dresser’s campaign handlers were former Romney staffers with a grudge their obviously better qualified candidate was snubbed by McCoot.
Soooo. About that trip to Hawaii
SUPREME COURT’S SOUTER TELLS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
SUPREME COURT’S SOUTER TELLS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter’s Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.
If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
“I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate,” says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. “They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power – even over presidents, even over presidents-elect.”
Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States , the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.
Thanks Sol, you get your news from reich-wing blogs. The mere fact the entire “birth certificate” lawsuit was dropped from the courts it couldn’t have made its way to the Supreme Court.
Here’s your source:
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200811072518/editorial/america-the-beautiful.html
Now your hero Phillip Berg who had his case against Obama thrown out is facing an investigation into his unethical practices:
http://www.pr-inside.com/anti-obama-attorney-philip-j-berg-faces-r912739.htm
Just as some of us believed in the Palin stories, so too does the gullible right believe in their crap. It’ll crop up on this blog for the next eight years. Haw, Haw, Haw.
From TIME magazine.
The Obama Transition: What Will Change Look Like
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081113/us_time/theobamatransitionwhatwillchangelooklike
From the above article:
“by all indications, this is shaping up to be one of the most amicable transfers of power between the parties in recent years – thanks in no small part to the extraordinary efforts of the current occupant of the Oval Office.”
President Bush is to be commended on his willingness to work with the President-Elect during this transition. Not all presidents do. Maybe Dubya is hoping Obama’s changes will reflect well on him. Or maybe he just cares that this country doesn’t go down the drain.
The reason the palin ‘hoax’ was accepted is that it was so believable and isn’t far from what her aides have been leaking about the Alaska hillbilly.
Hunger in Africa could be cut in half by letting the starving die, then there would be more food to go around for the survivors.
Just don’t let govt. get in the way of the natural order!
Phantom
Posted November 13, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink
The reason the palin ‘hoax’ was accepted is that it was so believable and isn’t far from what her aides have been leaking about the Alaska hillbilly.
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No, it was accepted by idiots. You are one of them.
No Phantom it was because ‘the story’ fit your idea of what you wanted to be ‘real’. So you were a gullible target as were most of the liberals and ran with personally distructive stories about Palin. Now that they have been exposed where are the denial stories. That would be buried in the back page among the garage sales and classifieds.
By the way I just saw her speak at the gov conference and she is a good speaker. No ahs ums or now wait a minutes.
Or maybe pred he is just a genuinely nice guy that the left has hated for 8 years and has blocked every move he has tried to make. Despite that he has kept this country from domestic attacks since 911 and for that I thank him.
Maggot these are the facts from the referenced article that many choose to overlook:
It almost makes you believe that the people who voted for Obama have been living in an alternative universe. After all, under the first six years of President Bush’s stewardship, the economy soared to heights previously unknown, consumer confidence was at an all-time high, unemployment levels were unprecedentedly low, and the affordability of both gas and food was never a topic of conversation. But from the minute Democrats gained control of Congress in 2006, the downward spiral began:
Consumer confidence plummeted.
The cost of regular gasoline soared.
Unemployment escalated by 10%.
Households saw $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate through stock and mutual fund losses.
Home equity dropped by trillions of dollars and untold numbers of homes are in foreclosure.
Food prices skyrocketed over 30% in 1 year.
In spite of this, our electorate selected a man who promises a trillion dollars in new spending and draconian tax hikes on the most productive members of our society. His election inspired plenty of dancing in the street – both here and overseas – but the stock market reacted by taking the greatest plunge in history after a presidential election. It’s going to take a whole lot of “hope” to get us out of this Democrat-created mess!
Obama has my support because he is our prez elect. I wish nothing but the best for his term in office.
From what I can find, the ‘hoax’ is only that the guy coming forward was indeed not the source for the palin doesn’t know Africa/Nafta leak, and had passed himself off as the source.
So, Palin is still an idiot.
Hawaii’s Greenhouse Gas Emissions Program is Equivalent to Economic Suicide
By Michael R, Fox Ph.D., 11/12/2008 8:11:35 AM
In inexplicable acts of government opposition to its basic sources of Hawaii’s electricity, Hawaii state government is now calling for public hearings on greenhouse gas emissions on Thursday Nov. 13th.
More than any other state, Hawaii gets most of its energy from imported oil and coal.
The state is continuing on its bizarre and unscientific start. Its recent announcement states in part “Because the majority of greenhouse gases in Hawaii are caused by the burning of fossil fuels (mostly oil) for electric power generation and transportation…” This statement is dangerously untrue, rendering any outcome of the hearings to be highly questionable, based upon false assumptions, unworthy of any new energy policies.
Keep in mind that 99% of the atmosphere is nitrogen and oxygen. Argon represents about 90% of the remaining 1%. None of these are greenhouse gases. Of the remaining 0.1%, about 95% of that is water vapor, a major greenhouse gas, which the state fails to mention.
CO2 represent about 0.038% of the total. About 3% of this is man-made, 97% of CO2 is from natural sources, which the state again fails to mention. Contrary to what the state announcement says (above), the burning of fossil fuels is not a major source of greenhouse gases. Most is from natural sources. Worse, the tremendous and diverse Hawaiian benefits of the electricity derived from coal are never mentioned.
It gets worse. The relationship between man-made CO2 and global temperatures is on shaky scientific grounds, if it exists at all and certainly worthy of further investigation by the leaders of Hawaii. There are many temperature stations on the Earth which have shown global cooling for decades while CO2 increases. This falsifies the hypothesis that CO2, let alone man-made CO2, is the singular or dominant “cause” of global warming.
There are other forces at work (many of them unknown) which have to be invoked to explain the temperature records. The CO2 hypothesis simply can’t explain all of the known temperature data; as such it is wrong and must be modified or dropped. The hypothesis is simply too limited to explain the observed climate record. The climate is an extremely complex system, involving many other forces, which may take centuries to fully understand.
Political forces have moved in. To date a great deal of effort has been made in the narrow, singular attempt to blame man-made CO2 to the warming, by inventing scenarios of catastrophes caused by free market capitalism. There is much, much more involved with the complexities of climate and these forces are being downplayed or ignored. The political forces wish to ignore these complexities for their own purposes. Hawaii is headed for the rationing of energy and increasing its cost, which is already horrendous. Hawaii has some of the costliest electrical energy in the US.
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?d5f2a659-e88d-4e3a-9e73-363a67bd1e0f
“The blur between truth and lies seems to be blurring as demonstrated in ANTI’s link. One thing is certain, you cannot trust anything you hear or read in the MSM” — the difference is, outlander, when the MSM errs, they admit it; right wing news sources seldom do.
I believed the story because it was plausible. The McCain camp told enormous lies throughout the campaign, so why should they stop when it was time to dismiss Palin.
Trouble is, she won’t be dismissed. And that bitch is learning fast. She gave a few of what could be considered almost plausible interviews the other day. Though I predicted she would quickly sink into obscurity, I am now not so sure.
However, I suspect the country has moved past the R.W. xian crap, and trying to run God, Guns, Gays, etc by us again simply is not going to work. That goes for that Hindu from La. too.
If there ever was a Christian for political purposes, there he is.
Poor Ol’ Open Thread is ignored today –
Just to provide some alternate CON hysteria:
Palin’s Health Mystery
“It seemed a bit mysterious why Governor Palin’s health records were such a secret, and only released on the eve of the election.
“She was adamantly determined to keep those personal health records from advanced public scrutiny, most unusual stance for a candidate for such high office. What on earth was the lady hiding so grimly?
“Could it be that, since the date of her first delivery is known and also the date of her marriage, being a public record, is also known . . . that her health records would reveal this first birth was not premature, but full term, and that it strongly indicated the conception occurred before her marriage?
“And that is exactly what the medical record showed, that the birth of her first child was full “term,” which means 9 months, plus or minus 2 weeks. Yet the lady gave birth only 8 months after her elopement marriage. Such marriages are often rushed, for pregnancy reasons, and that seems to have been the case here.
“This certainly would have been damaging in the election for one who professes such fundamentalist views and such personal virtue as the Alaska governor. She, after all, has been an ardent promoter of premarital chastity and abstinence, and an equally ardent opponent of sex education.”
Seems to make her a total hypocrite, no?
Jesus said nothing about homosexuality.
He admonished hypocrites 19 times in the gospels.
Well Monkey you have solved the Palin mystery. Now find out why Obama would only give us a one page summary from his doctor and not his entire medical records. I am sure it is sinister. Get back to us on that won’t you.
MonkHawk–
Like mom, like daughter.
Neither one could “just say no.”
I believe the cover story for the elopement was that she was such a good daughter, and knew the family couldn’t afford an expensive wedding, she eloped.
Sounded plausible, but apparently time was a bigger factor.
But then, doesn’t really matter to me, if it were not for her being RR.
Market hit an intraday low earlier, this is some worrisome crap going on. Verdict is coming in on whether America was strong enough to survive 8 yrs. of bush!
This piece wraps up Palin well for me.
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Palin has reached her sell-by date
All the stars of the new GOP constellation are there: Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina, and – today’s headliner – Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska. But if John McCain was the problem, is his former running mate the solution?
It doesn’t matter whether Palin was “a joy to work with,” as McCain aides said publicly, or a “diva” and a “whack job,” as some said privately. It doesn’t matter whether she decided to buy the $150,000 in new clothes, or the Republican National Committee bought them for her. What matters is her real and measurable effect on the broader American public. And if Sarah Palin were a cereal, she’d be rushed off the shelf.
According to CBS News polling, Palin never earned a majority favorable rating. From the Republican convention to Election Day – as more people got to know her – Palin’s favorable number dropped seven points, her unfavorable rating almost doubled, and her positive number finished no higher than her negative number. (By contrast, Barack Obama’s favorable rating surpassed his unfavorable rating by 15 points; Joe Biden’s positive-to-negative gap exceeded 20 points.)
By the end of the campaign, about one in seven Obama supporters had once backed John McCain. The biggest reason these mostly middle class voters switched sides? The presence of Mrs. Middle-Class Magnetism on the Republican ticket.
Another way to judge Palin is by McCain’s own standards. He picked her to do two things: rally the Republican base, and attract key swing voters, including women, independents, suburbanites, and younger parents. By every conceivable measure, Palin failed.
Core Republican turnout declined 1.3 percent compared to four years ago, the Republican share of the electorate dropped five points from 2004 – and the depression of conservative voters was amplified in key states like Ohio, where Obama won despite earning almost the same number of votes as John F. Kerry. The difference is that 300,000 people who showed up for Bush/Cheney decided to stay home for McCain/Palin.
The list goes on. Palin didn’t help among women – they went for Obama by 13 points. She didn’t help among independents – they went for Obama by 8 points. She didn’t help among suburbanites – they went for Obama by 2 points. She didn’t help among people with children under 18 – they went for Obama by 8 points. Among all these groups, the 2008 Republican ticket performed worse than any successful nominees in their party’s history.
more at:
http://www.mlive.com/us-politics/index.ssf/2008/11/palin_has_reached_her_sellby_d.html
MSNBC retracts Palin Africa story.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/11/12/entertainment/e203346S31.DTL&tsp=1
Has fux retracted yet?
“Market hit an intraday low earlier, this is some worrisome crap going on. Verdict is coming in on whether America was strong enough to survive 8 yrs. of bush!”
Well, I bet the farm on it. Everything I got is riding on a chance to get rich (er). gallo del cielo here we come. I hope the old rooster’s beak holds out.
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From Mr. Kia’s link:
“The hoax was limited to the identity of the source in the story about Palin — not the Fox News story itself. While Palin has denied that she mistook Africa for a country, the veracity of that report was not put in question by the revelation that Eisenstadt is a phony.”
We’ll see if America can survive 8 years of Bush???
This goes waaay beyond Bushco. Is it that hard to understand that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46MEqEgdLTg
Please folks, this is being engineered.
BTW, I’m back after being kicked off of here. It seems free speech was too much to handle for some.
Still friends? ROFLMAO.
Pleef, are you sure it was free speech that got you booted?
I thought the folks who got booted were “spoofing” nics.
Bigotbox had to come back as boxlock20, max had to come back as jimjohnson, and… you?
SolDevVB,
Thank you for the 12:03 pm post.
Michael R Fox is always good for some LOL’s!
CO2 represent about 0.038% of the total.
Viruses like West Nile and Ebola are insignificant compared to the mass of a human.
About 3% of this is man-made, 97% of CO2 is from natural sources,
Natural “sinks” cannot absorb all of the extra man-made CO2. CO2 has a lifetime of a century or longer, and the extra amount accumulates, like money in an interest-earning bank acct.
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp
There are many temperature stations on the Earth which have shown global cooling for decades while CO2 increases.
But he can’t tell us where those “many” stations are.
The CO2 hypothesis simply can’t explain all of the known temperature data; as such it is wrong and must be modified or dropped.
Strawman. . . it does not attempt to.
The observered temperatures can only be explained by combining the natural factors AND human-caused factors.
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn11649/dn11649-1_688.jpg
So Pleefer and Regular got to come back with the same nic used before, after a period of time?
Obama resigning Senate seat
By LIZ SIDOTI – 33 minutes ago
CHICAGO (AP) — President-elect Barack Obama says he’s resigning from the Senate, effective Sunday.
He is calling his four-year term “one of the highest honors and privileges” of his life.
The move was expected. Obama won the presidency last week over Republican John McCain.
It’s now up to Democratic Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich to name Obama’s replacement. Congress is scheduled to meet in a special session next week.
CO2 represent about 0.038% of the total.
Viruses like West Nile and Ebola are insignificant compared to the mass of a human.
Yeah, that is why we destroy economies over Ebola. Think about it.
Natural “sinks” cannot absorb all of the extra man-made CO2.
And yet the temperatures are still falling.
But he can’t tell us where those “many” stations are.
Can you provide stations that show temperatures have risen over the last decade?
The CO2 hypothesis simply can’t explain all of the known temperature data; as such it is wrong and must be modified or dropped.
Straw man. . . it does not attempt to.
Thank you for finally acknowledging that CO2 and global warming are straw men.
In con land, if someone says they were the source of the Africa/Nafta link, and they weren’t, then the leak is discredited, and anybody who believe it is a fool.
Just ask Anti, if you don’t believe me.
SolDevVB posted November 13, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Can you provide stations that show temperatures have risen over the last decade?
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SolDevVB, perhaps the reason you’re so confused and ignorant re AGW science is because you can’t read your own posts?
There are many temperature stations on the Earth which have shown global cooling for decades while CO2 increases.
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And I’m sorry that you’re not smart enough to understand that a record warm El Nino in 1998 added extra warming to the long-term AGW trend, during that time.
“Graph of global annual surface temperatures relative to 1951-1980 mean temperature. Air and ocean data from weather stations, ships and satellites.”
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/208422main_global_temp_change.jpg
Phantom
Posted November 13, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
In con land, if someone says they were the source of the Africa/Nafta link, and they weren’t, then the leak is discredited, and anybody who believe it is a fool.
Just ask Anti, if you don’t believe me.
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Annoymous sources.
I can buy annoymous sources when it comes to something like Watergate.
Link to global temperature graph above doesn’t work.
Graph is here,
‘2007 Was Tied as Earth’s Second-Warmest Year’
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/
Huge Brown Cloud Over Asia Worsens Global Warming
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,451444,00.html
link=leak
This thread isn’t watergate, and we’re mostly anonomyous.
typing’s terrible today, anonymous
And yet the temperatures are still falling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.svg
What part of .8 increase Centigrade since 1860 do you not get, Sol?
And yet SolDevVB still lies.
According to all major temperature reconstructions published in peer-reviewed journals (see graph), the increase in temperature in the 20th century and the temperature in the late 20th century is the highest in the record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years
And I’m sorry that you’re not smart enough to understand that a record warm El Nino in 1998 added extra warming to the long-term AGW trend, during that time.
But..but..but…CO2!!!
Looks like natural occurrences and trends trumps CO2 every time.
As per your link…
Deja Vu All Over Again: Blogger Again Finds Error in NASA Climate Data
By Michael Asher, Daily Tech
GISS’s October Data. The large reddish-brown area in Russia is actually September readings. Amateur team finds NASA error similar to one they discovered a year ago.NASA’S Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) is one of the world’s primary sources for climate data. GISS issues regular updates on world temperatures based on their analysis of temperature readings from thousands of monitoring stations over the globe. GISS? most recent data release originally reported last October as being extraordinarily warm– a full 0.78C above normal. This would have made it the warmest October on record; a huge increase over the previous month’s data.
Those results set off alarm bells with Steve McIntyre and his gang of Baker Street irregulars at Climateaudit.org. They noted that NASA’s data didn’t agree at all with the satellite temperature record, which showed October to be very mild, continuing the same trend of slight cooling that has persisted since 1998. So they dug a little deeper. McKintyre, the same man who found errors last year in GISS’s US temperature record, quickly noted that most of the temperature increase was coming from Russia. A chart of world temperatures showed that in October, most of Russia, the largest nation on Earth, was not only registering hot, but literally off the scale.
http://www.icecap.us/
‘Wide Spread and Complex Climatic Changes Outlined in New UNEP Project Atmospheric Brown Cloud Report‘
http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?DocumentID=550&ArticleID=5978&l=en
“Masking the Impacts of Climate Change
ABCs [Atmospheric Brown Clouds] shield the surface from sunlight by reflecting solar radiation back to space and by absorbing heat in the atmosphere.
These two dimming phenomena can act to artificially cool the Earth’s surface especially during dry seasons. The pollution can also be transported around the world via winds in the upper troposphere (above 5 km in altitude).
* As a result global temperature rises – linked with greenhouse gas emissions – may currently be between 20 per cent and 80 per cent less as a result of brown clouds around the world says the report.
* If brown clouds were eliminated overnight, this could trigger a rapid global temperature rise of as much as to 2 degrees C.
* Added to the 0.75 degrees C rise of the 20th century, this could push global temperatures well above 2 degrees C – considered by many scientists to be a crucial and dangerous threshold.
* Thus simply tackling the pollution linked with brown cloud formation without simultaneously delivering big cuts in greenhouse gases could have a potentially disastrous effect.”
More at link.
NotOK calls the filthy rich the “most productive members of our society.”
They most certainly are not.
They are the least productive. They make money on money. They don’t work at anything productive.
““The idea that human beings have changed and are changing the basic climate system of the Earth through their industrial activities and burning of fossil fuels – the essence of the Greens’ theory of global warming – has about as much basis in science as Marxism and Freudianism. Global warming, like Marxism, is a political theory of actions, demanding compliance with its rules.
Marxism, Freudianism, global warming. These are proof – of which history offers so many examples – that people can be suckers on a grand scale. To their fanatical followers they are a substitute for religion. Global warming, in particular, is a creed, a faith, a dogma that has little to do with science. If people are in need of religion, why don’t they just turn to the genuine article?” – Paul Johnson
http://www.icecap.us/
“The plot of temperatures since 2002 is remarkable for the departures shown. NASA GISS is a full degree F warmer than the satellite measurements, which continue the downtrend of 0.2C since 2002. Even with the bogus warmth, GISS depicts a small downtrend. ”
graph
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/ALLSINCE2002NOV.jpg
This of course can be found on IceCap
Hey, Sol–
Perhaps you are not aware of it, but any idiot with a computer and a modem can construct a web-site.
Al Qaeda and the KKK have web-sites.
That doesn’t mean that the crap they post is any less crap.
What governmental agency or university is “icecap.us” with?
NONE?!
Well . . . what a surprise . . .
CapnAmerica posted November 13, 2008 at 3:37 pm
And yet SolDevVB still lies.
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Or he’s so dumb he can’t understand that El Nino, La Nina, PDO, major volcanic eruptions, etc, cause short-term temperature fluctuations?
And he’s so dumb he can’t understand the significance of the long-term warming since the 1970’s?
CapnAmerica
Posted November 13, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink
NotOK calls the filthy rich the “most productive members of our society.”
They most certainly are not.
They are the least productive. They make money on money. They don’t work at anything productive.
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Microsoft. Oracle. Google. Dell. Enterprise Rent A Car.
A short list of the unproductive companies started by the richest of the rich.
SolDevVB posted November 13, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
Deja Vu All Over Again: Blogger Again Finds Error in NASA Climate Data
By Michael Asher, Daily Tech
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It looks like GISS did NOT make the errors.
Daily Tech is not a credible source.
‘Mountains and molehills’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/11/mountains-and-molehills/
“The error appears to have been made somewhere between the reporting by the National Weather Services and NOAA’s collation of the GHCN database. GISS, which produces one of the more visible analyses of this raw data, processed the input data as normal and ended up with an October anomaly that was too high. That analysis has now been pulled (in under 24 hours) while they await a correction of input data from NOAA (Update: now (partially) completed).”
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
Nah, I set up a bogus account. Apparently that was the only offensive thing I’ve been charged with. And the complaint from them is understandable, I suppose.
Good people up there in blog-police land. I was only shut down for a couple of days (and it was fairly tough to not be able to chime in).
In any case, I’ll watch my tone on here, so’s not to “offend” too much and I’ll hope it’s reciprocated.
Richest of the rich? Not really. Not even Bill Gates Sr. was in the category. Google’s co-founder:
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>Sergey Mikhailovich Brin was born in Moscow, in the Soviet Union to a Jewish family,[5][6][7] the son of Mikhail Brin and Evgenia Brin (née Krasnokutskaya), both mathematicians who graduated from the Moscow State University. In 1979, when Brin was six, his family emigrated to the United States. Brin attended grade school at Paint Branch Montessori School in Adelphi, Maryland, but he received further education at home; his father, a professor in the department of mathematics at the University of Maryland, nurtured his interest in mathematics and his family helped him retain his Russian-language skills. In September 1990, after having attended Eleanor Roosevelt High School, Brin enrolled in the University of Maryland, College Park to study computer science and mathematics, where he received his Bachelor of Science degree in May 1993 with honors.[8]
Brin began his graduate study in Computer Science at Stanford University on a graduate fellowship from the National Science Foundation. He earned his master’s degree in August 1995 ahead of schedule in the process of his Ph.D. studies[citation needed]. He is on leave from his Ph.D. studies at Stanford.[9]
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But not coming from a poor family, having enough to eat, and going to good schools sure helps.
We’re talking about Americans right?
Gates is #1.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/54/400list08_The-400-Richest-Americans_Rank.html
Okay, so your argument is that the small number of people who have gotten filthy rich by actually doing something negates Capn’s point.
It doesn’t. Nor, incidently, were most of them filthy rich to start with. Bill Gates dad’s was a mere millionaire.
Those who have it all usually don’t produce anything. They just consume.
CapnAmerica posted November 13, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Hey, Sol–
Perhaps you are not aware of it, but any idiot with a computer and a modem can construct a web-site.
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LOL! How icecap.us was formed.
‘The Ill-Stars take the field’
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/04/denialist-all-stars-take-field-roger.html
And note the comment:
“Here is the whois information that shows who registered the site.
It looks like D’Aleo is running this out of his house.”
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ICECAP
I guess we have to define “productive.”
Is productive in innovation?
Is productive in giving back?
Is productive in consuming?
We are all on here today posting our opinions thanks to the innovations of a number of the “filty” rich. (I am using microsoft product on a dell computer with intel inside.)
Together these innovations employ tens of thousands alone.
Their charitable contributions allow thousands to serve the needy.
Their consumption employs millions.
Take away their ability to any of the above and we are not better off.
Sigh. . . .
1. The innovators, in large part, were not rich, and the vast majority are still not rich.
2. Even if they were, your sniping is still pointless.
By the way, by your own logic, then surely we are compelled to set up a communist state where everyone is filthy rich. Otherwise, we’re hurting innovation.
Do you understand what self made means?
Take away their ability to any of the above and we are not better off.
So you seriously believe the Warren Buffett wants that? And from what I’ve heard, Bill Gates too?
Interesting.
Catholic bishops are issuing a statement declaring Obamanation’s pro-abortion policies an attack on the church as well as on babies and respect for the value and dignity of human life.
Dr. Patrick Whelan, a “pediatrician” and president of Catholic Democrats, said angry statements from church leaders were counterproductive and would only alienate Catholics – at least the ones who want more babies mangled, dismembered, poisoned, and beheaded in abortion mills.
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Two pro-life volunteers participating in a round-the-clock prayer vigil were sickened on Sunday, November 2, after being exposed to fumes from an oily substance that had been spread across the driveway at Tiller’s criminal Wichita abortion mill. One was treated for four hours at a local hospital emergency room suffering from vomiting, diarrhea, and swelling of the face and eyes. Another suffered similar symptoms without hospitalization. This chemical attack is likely payback for pro-lifers exposing news of near-fatal botched abortions and other criminal acts in Tiller’s abortion mill.
The Wichita “police” department appears to be ignoring a complaint about the deliberate noxious chemical exposure. In view of Wichita’s previous refusal to file charges for the September, 2007 stink bomb attack on pro-lifers at Tiller’s parking lot entrance, and failure to render justice for vehicular assaults and other crimes against pro-lifers, further violent attacks on pro-lifers will now definitely be emboldened.
Unless, of course, pro-lifers start wearing unconcealed firearms at Tiller’s entrance.
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Former abortionist quack Bruce Steir, of Californicatia, who lost his medical license for the botched abortion in 2000 that killed Sharon Hamptlon, 27, and served 114 days of a one-year sentence in jail for the criminal killing, writes in his new book “Jailhouse Journal of an OB/GYN” that unwanted babies are mistakes to be erased by abortion.
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Police are looking for the mother and others, perhaps the father, involved in the abandonment Wednesday of a newborn boy in a McDonald’s restaurant toilet in Charlotte, NC. Witnesses say a black man entered the women’s toilet with a white baby, then left. The uninjured boy was taken to Carolinas Medical Center for observation.
Rage
Posted November 13, 2008 at 5:02 pm | Permalink
Take away their ability to any of the above and we are not better off.
So you seriously believe the Warren Buffett wants that? And from what I’ve heard, Bill Gates too?
Interesting.
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Wants what?
I know Bill Gates is giving the majority of his fortune to charity.
No matter what I do personally, his financial contributions are going to make more of a difference on the world than I can.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Rahm%20Emanuel%20Ben%20Smith%20Interview&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GFRD&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#
Good listen.
Mr_Kia posted November 13, 2008 at 4:46 pm
We are all on here today posting our opinions thanks to the innovations of a number of the “filty” rich. (I am using microsoft product on a dell computer with intel inside.)
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Don’t forget Mosaic (MS IE is based on it) that was developed by not “filthy” rich people who were funded by Senator Gore’s legislation.
‘NCSA Mosaic — September 10, 1993 Demo’
http://www.totic.org/nscp/demodoc/demo.html
Where Have You Gone, Gray Davis?
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Priorities: California is headed toward fiscal disaster, thanks to the worst performance by any state, ever. So what does Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger do? Convene a big meeting on global warming, of course.
The swaggering governator will host an international summit next week “to discuss and develop strategies aimed at combating climate change.”
Along with California’s chief executive, five other governors plan to attend the extravaganza — between, of course, pleading for bailouts from Washington for their ailing state economies. Also invited are officials from Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, the EU, India, Indonesia, Mexico, New Zealand, Poland, Spain and Britain.
In case you don’t remember, California in 2006 passed the most sweeping greenhouse gas limits for any state in the union. Under this plan, CO2 output would be slashed by 25% by the year 2020. This is equivalent to removing 6.5 million vehicles from the road.
Sounds great. Except that greenhouse gas output has yet to budge, and the promised boom from “green jobs” promised by Schwarzenegger and his Democratic friends are nowhere in sight. California’s jobless rate is now officially over 7%, nearly a point above the national average.
Instead, the greenhouse gas limits approved by Schwarzenegger will cost California billions of dollars in lost output as businesses locate elsewhere and take jobs with them. The one-time Golden State is rapidly deteriorating from a cutting-edge, high-tech economy to the fiscal equivalent of a Third World nation.
“The (state global warming) programs are costly to consumers and will not have any impact on the environment,” the nonpartisan American Legislative Council concluded in a recent report.
In short, no bang for the buck. Just a lot of photo ops of Schwarzenegger hobnobbing with other governors and a handful of foreign officials eager to see the U.S. go down the same path to financial ruin as they have chosen.
Meanwhile, California’s nonpartisan budget analyst on Tuesday predicted the state will have a $27.8 billion deficit over the next 20 months. This is a mind-boggling gap, equal to roughly 26% of the state’s $103.3 billion in annual general-fund spending. And if nothing’s done, the deficit will average $22 billion a year for the next five years.
This, not global warming, is California’s true disaster in the making.
Schwarzenegger’s response? Cut spending, yes, but also raise taxes. The time to cut spending, however, was four years ago, not when disaster struck. A narrow slice of rich Californians now pay virtually all the state’s taxes, so when a downturn occurs, the budget collapses.
Ironically, Schwarzenegger entered office four years ago after challenging the sitting governor, Gray Davis, in a recall election over the state’s energy blackout and — you guess it — its huge budget deficit.
Since then, overall spending under Schwarzenegger has soared $41 billion, or more than 40%. General-fund spending has jumped by $27 billion to $103.3 billion, a 35% increase. Growth under Davis was less than half that. Maybe he’s got an apology coming.
California’s economy is struggling in large part because Schwarzenegger hasn’t lived up to his promise to tackle the out-of-control budget. Instead, he’s riding his global warming hobbyhorse. Who knows? Maybe he’ll ride it all the way to a post in President Obama’s administration.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=311385255302770
You wingnuts voted out Davis.
Now you have to live with the governator.
Deal with it.
‘Al Gore: Enivornmental Solutions Equals Economic Solutions‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/al-gore-enivornmental-solutions-equals-economic-solutions
Meet the new boss.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/article3448362.ece
Same as the old boss.
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL
blessings on the ANTI Hate group in CA….
so mote it be!!
Or he’s so dumb he can’t understand that El Nino, La Nina, PDO, major volcanic eruptions, etc, cause short-term temperature fluctuations?
And he’s so dumb he can’t understand the significance of the long-term warming since the 1970’s?
A decade of cooling and cosmos is still swallowing the hype. Ignorance is as ignorance does.
Hey cosmos, the sky is falling. Have you looked at a thermometer over the last 10 years?
The founder of your beloved Realclimate.org.
Betsy Ensley, Web Editor/Program Coordinator: Betsy joined the staff of EMS in April 2002 as a program assistant for EMS’s toxics program.Presently, she manages BushGreenwatch.org, a joint EMS-MoveOn.org public awareness website
No bias there right.
What a joke.
SolDevVB posted November 14, 2008 at 10:11 am
A decade of cooling and cosmos is still swallowing the hype. Ignorance is as ignorance does.
Hey cosmos, the sky is falling. Have you looked at a thermometer over the last 10 years?
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Thank you SolDevVB, for yet again proving that you’re completely clueless about AGW science, and are unable to read graphs.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
And poor SolDevVB seems to believe that Betsy Ensley personally controls and/or writes the posts at RealClimate?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/02/a-disclaimer/
“Readers of the Feb. 14th, 2005 Wall Street Journal may have gotten the impression that RealClimate is in some way affiliated with an environmental organisation. We wish to stress that although our domain is being hosted by Environmental Media Services, and our initial press release was organised for us by Fenton Communications, neither organization was in any way involved in the initial planning for RealClimate, and have never had any editorial or other control over content. Neither Fenton nor EMS has ever paid any contributor to RealClimate.org any money for any purpose at any time. Neither do they pay us expenses, buy our lunch or contract us to do research.”
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SolDevVB, why don’t you attack the education, and scientific research done by ALL of these people?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/category/extras/contributor-bios/