So much for Joe the Plumber’s loyalty to his chosen presidential nominee: “You know, it doesn’t matter if McCain or Obama won this election; either way, politicians in general don’t give a rip about us,” Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher said on a weekend visit to New York City. His love for Sarah Palin endures, though: “I don’t want to sound like a hippie, but she’s got this energy coming from her. It’s amazing.”
He added: “All she wants to do is do right by America and secure our values. Barack Obama wants to fundamentally change our democracy, and that is worrisome.”
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Joe the Has Been.
LOSER!
Don’t challenge the message, smear the messenger.
“Heckler” –
Fair enough.
Here’s Joe’s message ”
“…she’s got this energy coming from her. It’s amazing.”
She’s ELECTRI-FIED!!!
What a silly comment.
Heheheh. AHHAHAHAH. Who knew joe was a fan of the Fifth Dimension?
“This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius”
His message: ” “I don’t want to sound like a hippie, but she’s got this energy coming from her. It’s amazing.”
Nothing at all about what she would do – just that she has energy doing it. In other words – nothing about a message; just that the messenger is energetic.
In other words: an empty suit. And a very expensive suit at that!
Joe the Plumber for Secretary of the Inferior!
Socialism:1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
(dictionary.com) This is where our people have voted for this country to go now. With Obama as president, we have effectively voted out Capitalism and the american way of life as we know it. Don’t expect to keep the money you earn anymore. Obama will decide how to spend it for you.
“bilbo67216″ –
And you wonder why you’re called “reactionaries.”
BTW –
You haven’t been by to pick up your Mao Zedong suit yet.
Or your goat.
Bilbo, Sam, er Joe the non-licensed plumber had no problem picking up his welfare check and didn’t bother to pay his taxes. So why should we be concerned about a bunch of “gimmie” Republicans whining about socialism?
“a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.”
And, I an supposed to be frightened of and oppose any move toward this….why?
So I can be a happily clueless idiot like Joe the unlicensed plumber?
Why all the hate directed at a plumber?
Plumbin’ ain’t easy!
“Barack Obama wants to fundamentally change our democracy . . .”
Yeah, he wants to get actual people involved in it.
And he has.
But even though Joe the Idiot will never admit it, he too will benefit from better government and fairer economics.
BeeJay
“And, I an supposed to be frightened of and oppose any move toward this….why?”
YOU shouldnt. But then you relish the thought of living in dysfunctional mediocrity as long as you don’t have to think or work to hard.
Does anyone find it ironic that Sam the non-licensed plumber has a problem with socialism yet hires an agent and redistributes his wealth to him? I wonder what percentage his agent gets.
I find it sad that the libs are still obsessed with a plumber.
They can’t stop speaking poorly of him.
Remember guys, you won. Why do you feel the need to keep bashing this guy?
“bilbo67216
Posted November 11, 2008 at 8:39 am | Permalink
Socialism:1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.”
Sounds like Bush’s actions in nationalizing large portions of America’s financial industry.
Everybody gets their 15 minutes. Joe is on about minute 12. Won’t be long now.
Dennis
Why all the hate directed at a plumber?
Plumbin’ ain’t easy! — Big Foot
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True!
If “Joe” wants to be a plumber maybe that is where he will direct his efforts. If he fixes the plumbing problems, is competitively priced and efficient, he should earn referrals and potential success.
If he wants to be a politician, go for it! “Joe” won’t any longer have McCain giving him a stage so will need to provide his own. If his message is a good one he should attract donors and supporters.
Joe’s efforts are the key to his future success in his chosen field.
“Why do you feel the need to keep bashing this guy?”
Maybe because this guy keeps opening his mouth and bashing Obama?
From that pinko-commie-liberal-socialist-bleeding-heart-terrorist-loving Wall Street Journal –
“Where is John McCain’s Honor When We Need It?”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122637257625116453.html
The friggin’ Wall Street Journal!
Maybe because this guy keeps opening his mouth and bashing Obama?
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Burn the witch!
chuckle… Joe the Plumber.
Can we get a Tito the Builder thread here next so we can all continue to have something important to discuss and argue about. Thank you.
Monkeyhawk,
That oped from the Wall Street Journal was a better analysis of the election and the McCain campaign than our thread header, “Joe the Plumber’s postelection analysis.”
I do wonder if the Leno show is the best venue for addressing this “language of losers?” It’s his first public post-election appearance, but I don’t think the place to be as serious as this topic deserves.
“Why do you feel the need to keep bashing this guy?”
“Maybe because this guy keeps opening his mouth and bashing Obama?”
Joe asks a campaigning Obama about what he plans to do should he be elected. Joe disagrees with Obama’s response. To the insecure libs who hate to see their leader look foolish, that is called Obama bashing.
Of course Joe is a pathetic lying loser who should should just shut is mouth because he has an opinion different from the Obama.
“RFL” –
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) cited “Joe the Plumber” 19 TIMES in the third debate.
Nineteen times.
And you CONs get your panties in a wad the media decided to find out who this “Joe the Plumber” really was.
And the Fox Noise Channel keeps pointing a camera at him and letting him parrot talk radio boilerplate.
Ah, but it’s the “Libs’” fault.
What a bunch of whiny hapless victims you revealed yourselves to be.
The Obama Youth will take care of this plumber of opposition.
He will be sent to a ‘reprogramming camp’ and the libs will be safe.
“And you CONs get your panties in a wad the media decided to find out who this “Joe the Plumber” really was.”
-Monkeyhawk
“The media decided to find out Who Joe really was”!? You have got to be kidding me. And what did they find out and why did that matter to what Obama actually said??????
Yeah, I heard from some media story that Joe had connections to the “gasp” Republican party.
Also some guy in Ohio got fired for digging into Joe’s personal information. Such is the political strategy of the Democrats. Destroy the character of the person to bypass discussion about the issues.
1. Obfuscate the issues by focusing on destroying the character of those who argue against liberal ideology.
2. Win Power.
In this case, instead of arguing in favor of Obama’s economic idealism, the Democrats attacked a voter in Ohio who asked Obama a question.
Monkeyhawk,
Tell my why the fact the Joe owed back taxes, is not an independently licensed plumber, and has been through a divorce, has anything to do with Obama’s tax plan?
Why does Joe’s background information about his personal live matter in a presidential campaign?
“Why does Joe’s background information about his personal live matter in a presidential campaign?”
Shouldn’t you be asking McCain?
Bilbo’s just pissed because Frodo destroyed the ring.
The real question, “RFL,” is Why did McCain think “Joe the Plumber” was important enough to cite NINETEEN TIMES in a 90-minute presidential debate?
Answer me that, “RFL.”
To whatever degree Joe the “wanna-be-author, wanna-be-country-music-artist, wanna-be-pundit, real client of a publicity agent” was “exploited,” it was by McCain mentioning his name 19 times.
But poor exploited Joe the “Plumber” never misses a chance to whine about his lost privacy any time the Fox Noise Channel points a camera at him.
Talk about cognitive dissonance.
The Onion actually predicted Joe the Plumber 2 years ago, though it’s a little complicated. They produced a fake 1993 archive page in 2006, and decided it was relevant enough to post again in 2008 (I saw it the first time ’round):
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48940
It’s called Pheromones, Joe, not electricity.
The Obama Youth will take care of this plumber of opposition.
He will be sent to a ‘reprogramming camp’ and the libs will be safe.
Monkeyhawk, has ANTI reported to pick up his Chairman Mao suit yet?
Excuse me, please, I meant Grand Commissar Monkeyhawk!
Monkeyhawk, has ANTI reported to pick up his Chairman Mao suit yet?
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I vacationing in Cuba according to MH. I will be wearing the swimsuit not the Mao.
Sounds Joe, like the typical male republican, has the hots for Sarah.
dammit, I=I am
Joe’s spent his time in the trenches, why keep digging up dirt on him? And, I’d wager he knows Africa is a continent.
As much as Joe was used to beat Obama over the head, is it really any surprise that someone went to a lot of trouble to find out exactly who (and what) he was?
I guess to Republicans, the fact that he did a lot of lying doesn’t matter. He said he was a plumber (he wasn’t), he said he wanted to buy the company he worked for (not really a company), and he said this company made $280,000 (not even close).
Truth be told, Joe the Plumber is exactly the kind of people who will benefit from Obama’s tax plan.
This biggest victory on Nov 4 was breaking the lock of the South on Presidential politics. Think about it–the last two Democratic presidents were both from the South: Clinton and Carter.
Why? Because Southerners refuse to vote for a Democrat for president unless he’s “one of theirs.”
Florida and Virgina are getting more and more mainstream and less Southern. North Carolina too is joining the rest of the Union slowly.
The growing West is clearly leading the progressive movement forward and in the process leaving the backwater South behind.
Unfortunately, Kansas’s political sympathies seem to lie with the politics of the past too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/us/politics/11south.html?hp
November 11, 2008
For South, a Waning Hold on Politics
By ADAM NOSSITER
VERNON, Ala. — Fear of the politician with the unusual name and look did not end with last Tuesday’s vote in this rural red swatch where buck heads and rifles hang on the wall. This corner of the Deep South still resonates with negative feelings about the race of President-elect Barack Obama.
What may have ended on Election Day, though, is the centrality of the South to national politics. By voting so emphatically for Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama — supporting him in some areas in even greater numbers than they did President Bush — voters from Texas to South Carolina and Kentucky may have marginalized their region for some time to come, political experts say.
The region’s absence from Mr. Obama’s winning formula means it “is becoming distinctly less important,” said Wayne Parent, a political scientist at Louisiana State University. “The South has moved from being the center of the political universe to being an outside player in presidential politics.”
One reason for that is that the South is no longer a solid voting bloc. Along the Atlantic Coast, parts of the “suburban South,” notably Virginia and North Carolina, made history last week in breaking from their Confederate past and supporting Mr. Obama. Those states have experienced an influx of better educated and more prosperous voters in recent years, pointing them in a different political direction than states farther west, like Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi, and Appalachian sections of Kentucky and Tennessee.
. . .
That could spell the end of the so-called Southern strategy, the doctrine that took shape under President Richard M. Nixon in which national elections were won by co-opting Southern whites on racial issues. And the Southernization of American politics — which reached its apogee in the 1990s when many Congressional leaders and President Bill Clinton were from the South — appears to have ended.
More at link
50 percent of all the RepubliCONs in the House are from the South.
You CONs pandered so much to the Bible Belt and the race-baiters and the red-baiters, they’re the only people who support you now.
Well done.
You completed what Joe McCarthy started.
“Truth be told, Joe the Plumber is exactly the kind of people who will benefit from Obama’s tax plan”
You mean stupid and lying people?
Big victory for the Democrats in the South.
Wonder how Obama accomplished THAT?
98% of the Black vote maybe?
And 150% of the Acorn vote.
Well, let’s see what we’re debating here. There was a guy who identified himself as “Joe the Plumber” who asked Obama a question about his taxes in a hypothetical situation, and was answered. The McCane campaign tried desperately to turn “Joe the Plumber” into a symbol they could use.
Unfortunately, there was still a human Joe who when inspected turned out to be much different than the symbolic “Joe the Plumber” McCane was trying to promote, and with the help of Obama supporters managed to stay a human being.
At the root of the matter, McCane turned out to be considerably worse at symbol-making than Obama.
Jimbo,
Your Klan robe needs laundering.
“Maggotpunk
Posted November 11, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink
“Why does Joe’s background information about his personal live matter in a presidential campaign?”
Shouldn’t you be asking McCain?”
Which aspect of Joe the Plumber’s personal life did McCain discuss during the 19 times he
mentioned him in the debate?
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Monkeyhawk
Posted November 11, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink
The real question, “RFL,” is Why did McCain think “Joe the Plumber” was important enough to cite NINETEEN TIMES in a 90-minute presidential debate”
Sorry to dissapoint you Monkeyhawk, I am not McCain. However, If Joe the Plumber and the question he asked to Obama and the response given was so miniscule in importance, why are you so quick to assault his character?
Obviously your vitriol for Joe the Plumber answers your own question. McCain thought Joe the Plumber and his question to Obama was important becuase you the Democrats hate to discuss the answer that Obama gave to that question.
JimMcClure–
There wasn’t a big victory for Obama in the south.
On the contrary, the article is saying that whites came out in droves to vote against Obama in the Jim Crow South.
Try clicking a link before you make an ass of yourself.
Oops, too late.
Joe the Plumber was so important to McCain and his followers because he represents the “angry white working-man.”
Like Archie Bunker did.
Thing is, Obama won.
He won huge.
Get over it.
Unfortunately, there was still a human Joe who when inspected turned out to be much different than the symbolic “Joe the Plumber”
Yikes, You mean Joe was Human? Wow, if only McCain had known that truth…
Nineteen times, “RFL.”
But play the whimpering victim card.
It fits you.
Nineteen times Maggotpunk,
Which one was about Joe the Plumber’s personal life????
At least one right?
RFL posted November 11, 2008 at 12:17 pm
McCain thought Joe the Plumber and his question to Obama was important becuase you the Democrats hate to discuss the answer that Obama gave to that question.
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Actually, McCain and Republics hate to discuss the TRUTH about Obama’s answer.
Most small businesses, including the one ‘Joe the faux plumber’ idly dreamed about buying, would be helped by Obama’s tax policies.
And McCain was ‘agin Bush’s temporary tax cuts for the wealthy, before he was ‘fer them — and attacking Obama for wanting to end them.
“You know, it doesn’t matter if McCain or Obama won this election; either way, politicians in general don’t give a rip about us,”
Absolutely true. Most politicians are more concerned with staying elected or reaching a higher office than serving their country. Somehow this simple fact escapes all the so-called journalists covering politics. Or perhaps they consider it such obvious information that they do not need to report it.
Most small businesses, including the one ‘Joe the faux plumber’ idly dreamed about buying, would be helped by Obama’s tax policies.
Please explain Obama’s tax policy and how it will help small businesses including the one that Joe the Plumber idle dreamed about buying.
RFL posted November 11, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Nineteen times Maggotpunk,
Which one was about Joe the Plumber’s personal life????
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‘Joe the faux plumber’ was supposed to represent all Americans who are working hard to achieve the “American dream”. His statements and life deserved scrutiny.
Joe made false claims about what the business earned.
Joe had no real plans, and no money to buy the business.
Joe did not have a plumbing license, and had not even completed his apprenticeship — he wasn’t very qualified to own the business.
I thought Joe the Plumber’s dream was to buy the plumbing company? Now he is all over the news, has an agent in Nashville trying to get a country music career started and he is on Fox News giving his ‘expert’ political analysis.
The person that PUT Joe in the news was John McCain by using him as a 30-second soundbite. When the real truth came out about this Joe – then the voters had both sides of the story (and isn’t Fox News all for being fair and balanced?)
If Joe the Plumber did not want to be a part of this media blitz, then he should have said in the beginning that John McCain had no right to use his name for his personal political gain.
Rather, Joe has had his 15 minutes of fame stretched to forever and he is still hanging on for anyone to listen to him.
I found it interesting that Joe’s own home state didn’t even agree with him and voted in Obama. Enough said.
RFL
Posted November 11, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink
Nineteen times Maggotpunk,
Which one was about Joe the Plumber’s personal life????
At least one right?
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John McCain did not bother to get all the facts about Joe the Plumber and his 30-second soundbite backfired big time.
John McCain also did not bother to get all the facts about Sarah Palin – and her choice as VP backfired big time!
These two choices made by McCain showed his poor judgment in how he would handle day to day situations.
Kinda like when McCain showed ‘poor judgment’ in the Keating 5 scandal?
Joe owed back taxes too Cosmos.
Just as irrelevant as everything you listed above to the discussion about the president’s tax plans.
However, gloss over the issues that are being discussed, bash the person who asks Obama a question.
Got it.
RFL posted November 11, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Please explain Obama’s tax policy and how it will help small businesses including the one that Joe the Plumber idle dreamed about buying.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA
Mom,
John McCain did not bother to get the facts about Joe the Plumber because they are irrelevant.
How do the facts about Joe the Plumber’s personal life matter to a presidential campaign?
cosmos_originally
Posted November 11, 2008 at 12:44 pm | Permalink
“Joe the faux plumber’ was supposed to represent all Americans who are working hard to achieve the “American dream”. His statements and life deserved scrutiny.
Joe made false claims about what the business earned.
Joe had no real plans, and no money to buy the business.
Joe did not have a plumbing license, and had not even completed his apprenticeship — he wasn’t very qualified to own the business.”
XXX
Posted November 11, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink
“Truth be told, Joe the Plumber is exactly the kind of people who will benefit from Obama’s tax plan.”
littlejohn
Posted November 11, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
“Truth be told, Joe the Plumber is exactly the kind of people who will benefit from Obama’s tax plan”
“You mean stupid and lying people?”
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answer: Yup
Do Cosmos have the ability to explain in his own words how Obama’s tax plan will help small businesses?
RFL,
“Yikes, You mean Joe was Human? Wow, if only McCain had known that truth…”
Inane McCane didn’t care about truth, he wanted Joe to be a great symbol- for exactly what I’m not sure, and neither was McCane- but he couldn’t make it work; the human Joe kept getting in the way.
Symbol-making is the essence of imagination. Those without imagination shouldn’t attempt it. Rosie the Riveter became a symbol- if there was a human Rosie, she transcended it through imagination. Joe could never make that leap; there was never enough imagination behind him to become a representation of our common experience. He stayed a fallible human foible, gaining only an agent and a few sound-bites.
Joe doesn’t need a post election analysis, he needs a post election urinalysis.
RFL posted November 11, 2008 at 12:55 pm
John McCain did not bother to get the facts about Joe the Plumber because they are irrelevant.
How do the facts about Joe the Plumber’s personal life matter to a presidential campaign?
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‘Joe the faux plumber’s’ not being a plumber, and not having around $1,000,000 to buy a company that earns > $250k is very relevant to the issue.
‘Joe’ is not who he claimed to be when he asked Obama the tax question. Joe is a fake, who asked a phony question. McCain used a fake, phony symbol.
Joe’s the typical white male republican, too ignorant to see that the repub party isn’t in his best interest, and worrying about how tax rates are going to affect them when their boats come in.
Don’t look now, but there’s a rumor FNC is talking to him about a weekend talk show…
RFL,
Explain in your own words how Obama’s tax policies will hurt Newell’s plumbing business, which probably earns at most around $100k.
Phantom
Posted November 11, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink
Joe doesn’t need a post election analysis, he needs a post election urinalysis.
Or a post election psychoanalysis.
There’s always a buck to be made off of the rush crowd. And, there’s always a huckster to take advantage of the fact.
MrC – maybe he can do a show with Palin …
“McCain used a fake, phony symbol.”
A symbol is by definition symbolic. Which means it is not actually the real thing (whatever the real thing actually is in this case).
Joe the Plumber could have been a cross dressing, adulterous CIA double agent for all I care.
Still doesn’t pertain to a discussion on economic policy during a presidetial campaign involving the hypothetical American worker.
Joe the Plumber was portrayed as Joe Sixpack that the McCain Palin ticket had been campaiging to reach. There just happened to be a voter named Joe who asked Obama a question prior to the third Presidential debate.
The response of spreading the wealth around prompted McCain to use that guy to explain how the hypothetical Joe American would not benefit under Obama’s tax plan if Obama goal was fundamentally to to spread wealth around.
Cosmos,
You first.
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Phantom
Posted November 11, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
Joe’s the typical white male republican, too ignorant to see that the repub party isn’t in his best interest, and worrying about how tax rates are going to affect them when their boats come in.
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Even if that were true, to change, “Joe” would have to cooperate with folks like you, Phantom. Folks who mock ambition and capitalism. I bet he’d rather have daily root canals.
I know I would.
I bet Joe’s getting more con women than you could shake a stick at.
Do you think Joe, Sarah, and Mccain have formed a life long friendship, and keep in touch?
Phantom
Posted November 11, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
Do you think Joe, Sarah, and Mccain have formed a life long friendship, and keep in touch?
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I don’t care, why do you?
RFL posted November 11, 2008 at 1:21 pm
“McCain used a fake, phony symbol.”
A symbol is by definition symbolic. Which means it is not actually the real thing (whatever the real thing actually is in this case).
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The “real thing” in this case is someone who was actually buying, or already owned a small business earning > $250k.
RFL posted November 11, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Cosmos,
You first.
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I already explained it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA
Now RFL, explain the lies from ‘Joe the plumbing assistant’.
“RFL” declares –
“A symbol is by definition symbolic. Which means it is not actually the real thing…”
In a related (albeit tangential) topic, “RFL” –
How do you feel about desecration of the United States flag?
“The “real thing” in this case is someone who was actually buying, or already owned a small business earning > $250k.”
-cosmos
Thanks Cosmos, The “real thing” as defined by Cosmos would NOT receive favorable tax treatment by an Obama administration. Obama said so himself. Obama answered Joe as if he were the “real thing”. McCain used Joe in the debate as if he were the “real thing”.
The discussion was over the hypotheticals that Joe proposed. McCain and Obama had no interest in whether or not Joe had a independent plumbers license or if he had 1,000,000 in the bank or if he owed any back taxes or ever had a parking ticket.
That was left to the liberal media and blogger muckrakers like Cosmos.
H2O
RFL
Posted November 11, 2008 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
“The “real thing” in this case is someone who was actually buying, or already owned a small business earning > $250k.”
-cosmos
Thanks Cosmos, The “real thing” as defined by Cosmos would NOT receive favorable tax treatment by an Obama administration. Obama said so himself. Obama answered Joe as if he were the “real thing”. McCain used Joe in the debate as if he were the “real thing”.
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Good point, I would think.
Monkeyhawk,
People who feel they need to descrate the American flag as a means to get off, can do as they please. If it (the flag) means nothing to them, it means nothing to me that they demonstrate to the world that it means nothing to them.
Your point?
Thanks for the response, “RFL” –
I wonder if your fellow CONs share your views about the meaningless symbolism of the flag.
RFL posted November 11, 2008 at 1:56 pm
McCain used Joe in the debate as if he were the “real thing”.
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Thank you RFL, for admitting that McCain had to LIE about his “hypothetical Joe American”.
Also, some businesses earning > $250k could be helped by Obama’s cutting capital gain taxes, as he explained near the end of the conversation with ‘Joe the plumbing assistant’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA
“RFL” tries –
“McCain used Joe in the debate as if he were the “real thing”.”
Nineteen times.
Nineteen times “as if he were real.”
And this whole thread is based on CONs whining that someone wondered if Joe was for real.
Turns out he wasn’t.
In other words, a phony.
And, it turns out his reality includes a publicist, a literary manager trying to peddle a (yet-to-be-written) book, an agent trying to get a Nashville recording contract, and negotiations to become the weekend Hannity on Fox Noise.
Heckuva hero you’ve got there “RFL.”
Freedom of speach. Of course.
SolDevVB
Posted November 11, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink
Freedom of speach. Of course.
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Why, that’s crazy talk Sol!
Maybe McCain did not LIE nineteen times about the “hypothetical Joe American ” during the 3rd debate?
Maybe McCain gullibly believed every false claim that ‘Joe the plumbing assistant’ had made? And maybe McCain was just too immature to later admit that his “hypothetical Joe American” was a phony?
Cosmos,
Your hard on for Joe must stop. Go back to something you were good at, like global warming/cooling/neutral. Back then you at least offered us entertaining graphs to gaze upon. Please Cosmos, do it for Joe, do it for us!
“I wonder if your fellow CONs share your views about the meaningless symbolism of the flag.”
-monkeyhawk
Your point? Still waiting……
It’s all connected you know. I am beginning to understand Obamanomics: The worse Joe is as a person, the better Obama’s tax plan is going to help your bottom line.
ANTI,
What’s the matter? You don’t like the truth about ‘Joe the plumbing assistant’, and McCain’s campaign?
cosmos,
The sky is falling, and so are the temps…
cosmos_originally
Posted November 11, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink
ANTI,
What’s the matter? You don’t like the truth about ‘Joe the plumbing assistant’, and McCain’s campaign?
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I just don’t care.
I think it is irrelevant and am tired of hearing about Joe.
And to think; only a week ago Joe was a hero.
ANTI posted November 11, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I just don’t care.
I think it is irrelevant and am tired of hearing about Joe.
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Is someone forcing you to click on this thread, ‘Joe the Plumber’s postelection analysis’, and read it?
Is someone forcing you to click on this thread, ‘Joe the Plumber’s postelection analysis’, and read it?
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Yes, Monkeyhawk or whatever he is calling himself these days.
Help me Cosmos…
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ANTI
Posted November 11, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
I just don’t care.
I think it is irrelevant and am tired of hearing about Joe.
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Ditto. I was tired of him when McCain brought him up.
ANTI
Posted November 11, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
I just don’t care.
I think it is irrelevant and am tired of hearing about Joe
Maybe if the Right-wing MSM (NY Post) would quit giving him so much play he would just fade away.
Has Cosmos ever written anything funny?
I mean intentionally?
outlander
Posted November 11, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
Has Cosmos ever written anything funny?
I mean intentionally?
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I can’t say I remember when he has.
Maybe if the Right-wing MSM (NY Post) would quit giving him so much play he would just fade away.
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It beats chasin’ turds.
“secure our values”
And this from someone who presented a “hypothetical question” as the truth.
I wonder what percentage his agent gets.
15% is standard for literary agents. Music agents probably get the same or more.
Helen Jones Kelly was put on leave. Maybe there is justice in Joe the Plumbers life after all. She should be fired. Emails showed she was running her office as Obama’s campaign office out of her office. Supplying lists of potential donors to the campaign off the private information lists of tax payers. Had been warned but did it any way.
Probably nothing will come of it but they had enough smoke nationally they had to pretend to investigate it. A democrat governor. No nothing will be done.
If the left isn’t completely deluded when it comes to this subject then there is no justice in this world.
He asked a question. He gave hypotheticals. He was illegally investigated by the Gov of Ohio and his office. Knowing these facts what is the most serious allegation. For the libs – He asked a question.
Forget the charges against the state of Ohio, Forget that Helen Jones Kelly has been taken off her job, forget that private information was accessed illegally, forget that it was given out to the press – but lets hang Joe – that scoundrel – He ASKED A QUESTION!
Joe is the sad result of 20 years of talk radio lies. Poor,dumb man.
Well BJ you have figured out Joe’s problem – have you pinpointed yours yet?
okobserver posted November 11, 2008 at 7:16 pm
He asked a question. He gave hypotheticals.
Knowing these facts what is the most serious allegation. For the libs – He asked a question. … He ASKED A QUESTION!
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He stated multiple falsehoods in his question to Obama.
He’s not a plumber.
He’s not licensed.
He’s not buying his employers 2-person business (owner and ‘Joe’).
He falsely claimed the business earned $250k to $280k.
In short, he’s a phony. The McCain/Palin symbol of the average ‘Joe’ small business that earns > $250k is a lying phony.
Joe has now been ROTOR ROOTERED TO DEATH!
Can you now consider Joe to be flushed and move on?
What is it with you Lib Newspapers bludgeoning conservatives constantly?
McClatchey, just be honest and admit you are the Dem Party.
JJ – it was a rightie paper (NY Post) that ran his story. All McClatchy did was follow the rightie lead.
Dumb, and Dumber, and Joe the Plumber.
Joe, Stick to plumbing, baldy.
Barnie,
Hey, bald is beautful! Don’t use it as an insult!
Monk,
“How do you feel about desecration of the United States flag?”
Face it- a flag in the end is a piece of cloth. If it gets burned, all that happens (other than offending those poor sensitive wingnuts) is that some working stiff in a Chinese flag factory gets a bit of overtime making a replacement.
If it gets it out of the protester’s system to burn a flag, good! I can think of a whole lot of worse things he might have burned.