Joe Biden predicted Saturday that Barack Obama, if elected president, would quickly face a challenge from some hostile power or terrorist group. “Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy,” Biden said. The McCain camp is trying to capitalize on the comments and argue that the United States can’t afford to elect an untested chief executive.
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Told you so…The Inaugural Terrorist Attack.
And soon afterward, hard-core, gun totin’, flag-wavin’, negra-hatin’ rednecks would have Chairman Mao-type portraits of Barack Obama emblazoned on their walls.
His worshipper’s (as of now) will of course, have them up already.
Rally ’round the dictator as HE and HE ALONE can protect us.
ANSWER: Yes, of course.
What you folks don’t grasp is that they’re telling you it will happen. They aren’t hiding a thing. Consider it a warning, to be heeded or ignored.
THESE PEOPLE ARE THE TERRORISTS. OUR GOVERNMENT IS HIJACKED.
Good luck.
We should hope and pray this does not happen to any president in the future.
Why would Biden say such a thing?
And if the slim chance of a McCain PResidency happens, vice-versa.
HE’S WARNING US. WE NEED TO BE SCARED ABOUT SOMETHING.
McCain has already been tested and failed numerous times. He blamed the anthrax attacks on Iraq and used it as a justification for invasion. When Georgia started bombing it’s own people he blamed Russia and wanted to invade Russia. And he wanted to bomb Iran, just for the sake of bombing Iran. How can we trust a person whose solution for every international problem is extracting Americans to different countries to kill people just so McCain can boast about how a great military leader he is and thumb his nose at his daddy.
Yeah, Obama AND McCain are equally useless and disastrous.
But get on with the nonsense ACORN discussions…figured that sh..it would have started already.
We opened Pandora’s box and set a precedent long ago with vote and voter fraud. ON BOTH SIDES.
Good luck stuffing that Genie back in.
Clouds of terror will rain upon the ‘Great Satan’ revealing their crimson upon the ground. The denier will look to be led; there will be no point as the deed will be finished. Victory comes for martyrs.
Indeed..why would Biden bring up such a thing? Doesn’t he want to win?
It is clear the terrorists would not ‘test’ McCain, he wouldn’t put up with that nonsense, and they know it. But, for Biden to cast fearful predictions regarding his own candidate is bizarre.
Pleefer, We opened Pandora’s box and set a precedent long ago with vote and voter fraud. ON BOTH SIDES.
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Wrong Pleefer, voter fraud and stealing elections has always been the Democrats stock in trade. Now don’t get me wrong. Its not that I think the Republican party is all that virtuous, its just that they don’t have the opportunity to effect massive voter fraud on the scale that the Democrats do. The reason is simple, There is a Democrat political machine in place in almost every major city in the U.S. This makes fraud easy both at registration and at the polling places. Also. there is an attitude of entitlement in the Democrat party that makes them think it is their God given right to rule. Well it looks like they are going to get their chance and God help us.
“He wouldn’t put up with that”???
What does that mean?
Putting the cart ‘fore the horse eh?
The ONLY way he could “not put up with it” is to PRE-EMPTIVELY strike ALL “radical Muslims”.
Should we start making glass now?
Kinda naive, tough-guy talk to me.
He’s not casting fearful predictions, he’s reminding us to be scared of phantoms.
Since those cave-dwelling readical Muslims circumvented our entire military apparatus, they are most definitely looking to space right now. I’m sure they have ray-guns and Illudium PU-36 Space Modulator’s and stuff like that now. BE TERRIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE REPUBLICAN’S ALLOWED THE SUPREME COURT TO VOTE FOR US.
White-wash it all you want, but our Government isn’t ours anymore.
bush faced many such “challenges”.
And whiffed them BADLY.
The Chinese knocked down one of our aircraft and what did bush do? Gave them most favored nation trading status! “Bin Laden determined to strike in US” and bush went fishing!.
“White-wash it all you want, but our Government isn’t ours anymore” — Pleefer.
The government has never been ours, Pleefer. It’s a work in progress of which we are a part. But whether we’ve become too big to govern is a valid question.
Here’s the conundrum,
We were attacked by “radical Islamists” based in caves in Afghanistan.
We should have poured EVRYTHING we had militarily into that country. We didn’t.
We got rid of the Talibam (whom we supported the month prior) and opium production grew 1000 fold.
The Phantom Menace Osama then goes and hides in Pakistan. According to the “Bush Doctrine”, either you are “for us or against us”. Should we not care about hurting Nuclear Pakistans’ feelings and go and find Osama?
No, cause Osama is still a useful asset and also, he’s been dead for years.
But first you have to be naive enough to believe Osama pulled 9-11 off in the first place.
beber,
then if it’s not ours and you’re happy with that…you’re the problem.
“Raptor
Posted October 21, 2008 at 7:11 am | Permalink
Indeed..why would Biden bring up such a thing? Doesn’t he want to win?
It is clear the terrorists would not ‘test’ McCain, he wouldn’t put up with that nonsense, and they know it. But, for Biden to cast fearful predictions regarding his own candidate is bizarre.”
Yea – as evidenced by McCain’s response to the anthrax attacks they know that if they attack us McCain will attack their enemy for them.
Biden is not helping his ticket.
Revising history now?
“But first you have to be naive enough to believe Osama pulled 9-11 off in the first place.”
You have some inside information on this, or is this just another assertion parading as a pretend fact?
Revising history???
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….hah.
It’s called flying false flags.
USS Maine, USS Liberty, Gulf of Tonkin, Riechstag Fire, Operation Northwoods…yada yada yada..
Read a little, understand the term “false flag”.
I don’t care what you call it. Your assertion is without substantiation. Let’s see some proof, ok? Listing historical incidents is not proof of anything. Labelling something a ‘false flag’ is not proof.
Let’s see some verifiable links…other than daily kos or whatever you have been believing again.
Facts for a change. Not claims. Not outlandish blame games. Facts. As is evidence, proof, verifiable truth?
Prove to me Bin Laden did it.
The FBI can’t and therefore don’t list him as a suspect in 9-11.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Naive at best, willfully ignorant at worst.
I don’t read Kos and cite it only occasionally (I cite Fox as well). I don’t buy into the whole left/right game that you all do. So, the left has the Daily Kos and the right has Fox means little to me.
Nice try to shift the burden there, pleef. You made the claim now you are trying to tell me to prove something? Try again…without evading your burden of proof. You claim bin laden had nothing to do with 9-11. Prove it.
the FBI listing also says: ” In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world”
Now…prove that does not include 9-11. You made the claim…now back it up. If you can.
Ever hear of the concept of ‘burden of proof’? you introduce a claim….it is up to you to prove it, not me to disprove your claim.
Try again…without the spin or insults for a change, ok?
Operation Northwoods? I’m familiar with the others but not that one.
I never “claimed” who dunnit. I’m stating that I don’t believe 20 cave-dweller’s in Afghanistan could circumvent the world’s greatest military and hit it’s very heart. And simultaneously change the world forever. I’m saying this couldn’t have been done without help or complicity from some important people who wanted perpetual war with an elusive and ambiguous foe so that they could always have some bullets to sell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NorthwoodsMemorandum.jpg
sorry to cite wiki, but for expediency..
Your statement upthread:
“But first you have to be naive enough to believe Osama pulled 9-11 off in the first place.”
Implies that osama had nothing to do with it. You make an outlandish comment like that, I am asking to see some kind of verification. It is not hard to circumvent the world’s greatest military using civilian planes and suicide pilots.
Your implication that “important people” are involved is typical conspiracy theory without proof.
Your claim is lacking foundation.
CONSPIRACY:
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.
Convenient that the flames were hot enough to bring the towers down, but (paper) passports “verifying” the terrorists were unscathed.
1962 memorandum? Oh puhleeze. So the Kennedy conspiracy continues?
Where is the connection? Where is the relevance? A memo written 46 years ago proves what, exactly?
pleef…did you ever happen to see any pictures of 9-11? Did you see the papers flying all over the south end of Manhattan?
Back to Biden. What should terrify all of you is his further remark, to the tune of –
When this happens and we react, it will seem like the wrong plan, but we need you to support it, not financially, but support the decision.
OK, so predicting some crisis, then telling you to go along with whatever the president wants to do, even if you think it is wrong. That scares the crap out of me.
FBI: No hard evidence connecting Osama, 9/11
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/116592.shtml
Did you even read the memorandum? It spells out 9-11 to a T.
Kennedy wouldn’t sign off on it.
You didn’t read it.
And yeah, I saw the paperwork flying everywhere. It’s still very convenient for your “Official” Conspiracy Theory’s explanation.
“When this happens and we react, it will seem like the wrong plan, but we need you to support it, not financially, but support the decision.”
That is definitely something to wrap your mind around, and yes Sol, it is VERY scary..
Regular
Posted October 21, 2008 at 7:03 am | Permalink
Clouds of terror will rain upon the ‘Great Satan’ revealing their crimson upon the ground. The denier will look to be led; there will be no point as the deed will be finished. Victory comes for martyrs.
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You are talking about when John McCain as president, right? The only problem with this scenario is that McCain seems to relish in the thought of multiple wars – he keeps talking about them and even sings his little bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran song as an amusing joke.
So who is really the Great Satan?
Hey mom, read Biden’s quote and then decide.
It must be awkward being a left handed Muslim. I bet he gets funny looks at the dinner table…
Boortz on Bidens plea for pre-emptive support
SAY IT AIN’T SO, JOE
So we didn’t really get to this yesterday, but Joe Biden seems to be preparing his supporters for the worst. I guess he figures that if he prepares them for the worst, at least you can’t say you didn’t know what you were getting yourself into. Here’s Joe Biden’s quote, “Mark my words … it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
Um, thank you? What he is really getting at is the international community sees Barack Obama as weak … they want to test him because they want to know the type of America they will be dealing with for the next 4-8 years – an appeasement, cut-and-run America or a stand-up-and-fight America. Based on the history of Joe Biden and the little bit that we know of Barack Obama’s foreign policy philosophy … which America do you think they will choose?
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
Actually, before any such test of Obama, we will probably see a test of the electorate. Any guesses on what bin Laden’s election-eve message will be?
Pleefer, there have been and indeed are real, shocking conspiracies out there, and often insidious, well-hidden ones, but it’s all too easy to buy into that really dumb maxim, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Pleefer
Channel Rosie O’Donell much?
ANTI
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:05 am | Permalink
It must be awkward being a left handed Muslim. I bet he gets funny looks at the dinner table…
It must be awkward being an impotent bigot. I bet you get funny looks from normal people.
ANTI
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink
“When this happens and we react, it will seem like the wrong plan, but we need you to support it, not financially, but support the decision.”
That is definitely something to wrap your mind around, and yes Sol, it is VERY scary..
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What is even scarier is the thought of Sarah Palin pushing the nuclear button at 3 am in the morning!
“By the spring of 2003, after an initial startup of only $3 million, the White House was stalling on a crucial $11 million funding request that would have lead the Commission through its target date of the final report: 27 May, 2004. As a comparison, $50 million was marked into the investigation of the Columbia space shuttle crash.”-wiki again…
they also alloted $40 million for the Clinton fellating.
Rage, in the Muslim world the left hand is unclean. This is not bigotry. If you feel sorry for Osama, I pity you.
By the way, Al-Qaeda’s wouldn’t need to “test” McCain, since he would mindlessly do exactly what they want, just as Bush did.
What is even scarier is the thought of Sarah Palin pushing the nuclear button at 3 am in the morning!
Laughable at best. To dodge the Biden issue is telling at the least.
This is for real folks. They are doing it in broad daylight. But let your partisan bias lead you by the nose.
Both candidates are leading us to the same destination. Just at different speeds.
Rage
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
By the way, Al-Qaeda’s wouldn’t need to “test” McCain, since he would mindlessly do exactly what they want, just as Bush did.
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And the USA hasn’t been hit since.
Rage
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
By the way, Al-Qaeda’s wouldn’t need to “test” McCain, since he would mindlessly do exactly what they want, just as Bush did.
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And the USA hasn’t been hit since.
I don’t want to believe any of this either…but history, reason and logic deems it necessary to come to grips with the notion that Eisenhower was right in warning us about the “Military-Industrial Complex” gaining undue powers.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&resnum=0&q=Eisenhower’s%20farewell%20address%20about%20military%20industrial%20complex&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#
4,000 + dead in Iraq. They saved the air miles and just did it in their own back yard using the same tactics we taught them fighting the Russians. Ever wonder what Al-Qaeda means? Where it came from? Who headed it and where/how he was trained?
Ever watch Charlie Wilson’s War?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
ANTI – I never even know bin Ladin was left-handed. Where did you get that tidbit of information?
When this happens and we react, it will seem like the wrong plan, but we need you to support it, not financially, but support the decision.
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The above has been posted and contributed to Senator Biden. Where did you find this info? Are these Biden’s words, or a poster’s paraphrasing?
I can’t find them anyplace but here.
AlQaeda is translated to “The Base”. A CIA DATABASE.
Osama Bin Laden’s cover name is/was Tim Osman.
That’s the problem with American’s, we REACT instead of ACTING.
al-Quada – ‘the movement’ if memory serves me. Came from Saudi Arabia. “Freedon fighters” trained by the CIA and feted in the White House by RR.
What is scary is that Obama’s followers feel the need to make his excuses before anything happens. We know who the muslim world supports. They have told us. See who Gaddafi just said he is supporting. Joe Bidens statement is enough for me to say they shouldn’t be elected. Say what you will about Bush – no one has touched our shore with violence since 9/11. Check the number of attacks against our military and holdings under Clinton. You can’t back down from bullies. You have to meet them where they are and take the fight to them. I wish we were out of Iraq but I don’t want to give a victory to our enemy who is waiting in the wings to see what this election provides. Unfortunately I agree with Joe – the senator that is.
Biden is predicting this “test” because everyone on the planet Earth knows Obama has no frickin experience whatsoever to handle National Defense situations or Foreign Policy.
Biden should be your top candidate.
I’ve read several articles about Biden’s speech and still don’t find anywhere he said the words Sol attributed to him. Here’s one, maybe this is where Sol started before he made Biden’s words what he wanted them to say?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html
ChrisfromMac says, “Voter fraud and stealing elections has always been the Democrats [sic] stock in trade.”
Yeah . . . that’s why they win the close elections like in 2000 and 2004.
Hey, wait . . .
Isn’t it a lot more likely that the party that wins is the party that cheats?
Logic is not the CON strong-suit.
Obviously.
Pleef, a lot of us know about Operations Northwoods, the degree to which the military-industrial complex still controls this country, yada yada yada.
The “free-association” nature of “evidence” aside,
the problem with grand-conspiracy thinking as it gives bad actors far more credit for organization, intelligence and rationality than they deserve.
Wasn’t it G. Gordon Liddy, John’s McCain’s friend, who said three people can keep a secret, but only if two of them are dead?
I stand corrected on the name:
Al-Qaeda, alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa’ida, (Arabic: ????????; al-q??idah; translation: The Base) is an international Sunni Islamist movement founded in 1988
But not on who trained tham:
The origins of the group can be traced to the Soviet war in Afghanistan. The United States viewed the conflict in Afghanistan, with the Afghan Marxists and allied Soviet troops on one side and the native Afghan mujahedeen on the other, as a blatant case of Soviet expansionism and aggression. The U.S. channelled funds through Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency to the native Afghan mujahedeen fighting the Soviet occupation in a CIA program called Operation Cyclone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
Obama is a Judas Goat, draggin’ all ya’ll into the stocks. Good luck, I know you mean well.
Well, it is possible. McCain would face the same threat. This is the Biden that worries dems leading into Nov.4. He made news that hurts Obama. People are freaked already by the color of his skin. I think the safe way to combat this is to announce Colin Powell as Sec. of State, or as Sec. of Defense. Get Petreus on board too, as Sec. of something. Screw the repubs….they are mired in their own filth. As Dr. Phil would say “how’s that working for you?”
POWELL: I would start with talking to the American people and talking to the world, and conveying a new image of American leadership, a new image of America’s role in the world.
The problems will always be there, and there’s going to be a crisis come along in the 21st or 22nd of January that we don’t even know about right now.
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The new Obama plan seems to be frightening us to death and then telling us to vote Obama because he is the best one to handle this ‘crisis’.
That’s why EVERYTHING is compartmentalized, just like the pyramid on our Grande Federal Reserve Note. And the Great Seal of The U S of A.
ANTI
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink
Rage
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
By the way, Al-Qaeda’s wouldn’t need to “test” McCain, since he would mindlessly do exactly what they want, just as Bush did.
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And the USA hasn’t been hit since.
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And perhaps this is by design? To keep us bankrupt forever because they knew Bush would spend all of borrowed China’s money (if that is what it takes) in Iraq to show his daddy that he is king of the world?
Under Bush we have become a debtor nation and debtor nations are NEVER the superpowers.
Bush should have secured our own borders, strengthened out military (not sending National Guard into combat duty for multiple tours) and kept his promise to capture Bin Laden.
If Bush had done these things – the Republicans could have run a dead man for president this election and still win by a landslide!
Face it Republicans, Bush and the Right Wing Agenda has blown it for your chances in 2008.
Linda,
I paraphrased that. It has been on the news all last night and this morning.
Speaking of Powell, ever notice how the “party lines” at the top of the “Pyramid” kinda merge? Only you people see a difference in “left and right”, they don’t.
There is NO profit in peace. And both sides dig on profit.
bth
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink
ANTI – I never even know bin Ladin was left-handed. Where did you get that tidbit of information?
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Ben, it is well known, for clarification use Pleef’s FBI link: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Ralphie did you read what Powell said. Biden just repeated what Powell said first. It must be in the kool-aid the left is drinking. See how quickly they corrupted Powell.
okobserver
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink
POWELL: I would start with talking to the American people and talking to the world, and conveying a new image of American leadership, a new image of America’s role in the world.
The problems will always be there, and there’s going to be a crisis come along in the 21st or 22nd of January that we don’t even know about right now.
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The new Obama plan seems to be frightening us to death and then telling us to vote Obama because he is the best one to handle this ‘crisis’.
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Did the Republicans not use this tactic in the last two elections? But Bush did promise to restore honesty and integrity to the White House. The American people are still waiting on that one. Of course, that promise will be fulfilled when Bush capgtures Bin Laden (or starts to even think about Bin Laden again).
BTW, if John McCain knows how to capture Bin Laden then why doesn’t he put ‘country first’ and tell Bush how to do it and get the job done?
See how quickly they corrupted Powell.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
And the USA hasn’t been hit since.
Even if overseas attack don’t count (how’s that?), I beg to differ. Far more Americans have died in Bush’s unnecessary wars, and it’s strengthened Al-Qaeda’s hand in the world.
Mom you are absolutely right in saying that the demos should have a landslide victory this election. The repubs have made themselves look inefficient at best and on some ocassions totally inept. The problem – the demos have made themselves look worse. See our 9% approval rated congress.
This will be an election of lessor of two evils truely. McCain has more experience and as Joe Biden said during the primary ‘this isn’t a position for on the job training’.
Thanls ANTI – and you are correct; many Muslims have real ‘issues’ with the left hand.
“problem – the demos have made themselves look worse. See our 9% approval rated congress.”
Not really valid. With the GOP able to bottle things up in the Senate the Democrats’ power is limited at best.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1216330.story
Voters sign “petition” that is really a Republican registration form.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6068201.html
Houston Chronicle:
“Her office was informed early today that some of the first voters had cast straight-ticket Democratic ballots and then discovered that the electronic machines listed them as voting for John McCain in the presidential election.”
wvgazette.com/News/200810170676?page=1&build=cache
West Virginia Charleston Gazette
Some early W.Va. voters angry over switched votes
Jackson County touch-screens switched votes, 3 residents say
/News/200810180251
And later in Putnam County,
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes
In six cases, Democratic votes flipped to GOP
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Funny how the machines NEVER EVER flip a vote from Obama TO McCain.
Hmmm . . . that couldn’t be because Diebold and the other machine makers have extensive and close ties to Republicans, could it?
Nah, just a coincidence. A coincidence that happens again and again on a massive scale.
It’s those damn DEMOCRATS that steal elections. Everybody knows that.
Strangely, they haven’t been able to steal an important election since 1968 apparently, but dammit, you don’t need proof when you already know it’s true.
Notice on some pix of Bin Laden, he’s wearing a GOLD RING on that left hand…strictly forbidden to a devout Muslim extremist.
unnecessary wars, Rage?
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I agree Iraq was handled poorly. But it seems like you wish that we should have done nothing. Just ignore the attack and sit and wait at home until our doors are kicked in and our wives’s and children’s heads are being sawed off…Then do something? Or do we still sit and wait?
Maybe that is Obama’s plan.
Thanks, Pleef, for informing us of what “devout Muslims” believe.
Have you even set foot inside of a mosque?
I agree Capn. Anything to get off the topic of Biden right?
Ben I would agree with you but the way the system works the bill is presented by the congress and then goes to the senate. This isn’t happening. They spent months on the fired justices. Even when it was ruled that they served at the presidents pleasure and he could fire and hire at will they continued. The public said get to work – legislate – that is why we gave you the majority. Nothing happened. How many other fruitless investigations have they had. Oh yes they got Scooter Libby because his memory didn’t agree with Tim Russerts memory. How did that work for the libs. It didn’t. This is why they are at a historic low rating.
okobserver
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink
Ralphie did you read what Powell said. Biden just repeated what Powell said first. It must be in the kool-aid the left is drinking. See how quickly they corrupted Powell
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Colin Powell corrupted? That is really stretching it, even for you.I
I think Powell really believed George W. Bush in the run up to the Iraq War but when it became evident that Bush and Cheney cherry-picked the intelligence to push for the war, that is when Colin Powell showed his real patriotism and told Bush and Cheney both he was not on board any longer. And that is when Bush and Cheney threw Colin Powell under the bus.
I give Colin Powell credit for coming out with his endorsement and embracing someone who he may not agree with politically on everything but recognizes that this country needs a new direction. We need a leader who is more interested in keeping our country strong than to see how fast he can fill the Halliburton and Blackwater pockets with war profits.
Colin Powell is correct in his assessment that the global leaders are looking towards America to become a leader again. Bush has taken our respect from the world to an all-time low.
Totally nonpartisan, a plea to Americans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewXWeCyX9sA
Almost nine minutes long, worth every second spent watching. We should all be aware.
Biden is the REAL maverick, Sol.
So Biden says the terrorists aren;t sure Obama has the experience for the job (Didn;t he say the same thing?), then tells us to follow along, even when we think he’s wrong, because “he’s from the goverment and he’s here to help”. WOw. sounds like the BUsh doctrine to me.
ANTI
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
unnecessary wars, Rage?
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I agree Iraq was handled poorly. But it seems like you wish that we should have done nothing. Just ignore the attack and sit and wait at home until our doors are kicked in and our wives’s and children’s heads are being sawed off…Then do something? Or do we still sit and wait?
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Most of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia – why didn’t we attack them? Besides, Bin Laden admitted he was the mastermind behind 9/11 and yet Bin Laden was in Afghanistan and not Iraq. Why then would we go to Iraq unless it was for some agenda like getting the control of the oil or to prove to daddy that GWB is a real man?
Cap’n, Sunni’s can’t wear GOLD.
mom, Rage said “unnecessary wars”, I feel Afghanistan was justified.
And you know that, how, Pleef?
Your long personal history talking to Sunnis?
I lived in an Islamic country for three years. Most of what I hear Americans say about Islam is based on hearsay of a rumor.
Christians aren’t supposed to get divorced either.
How does that play out in practice?
Afghanistan WAS indeed justified, Iraq was a smokescreen.
Linda,
I paraphrased that. It has been on the news all last night and this morning. — Sol
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I’ve heard the news, Sol. I didn’t recognize it in your paraphrased words. You are usually more fair and accurate.
But we were ready to go to war in Afghan 3 months prior to 9-11.
We’re out “spreadin’ Democracy” when we aren’t even one. And the only time we use the word REPUBLIC is in the Pledge of Allegiance, written by a National Socialist, Francis Bellamy. HAHAHAHAHAHHA
Mom did you just purposefully ignore the statement that Powell said on Meet the Press? Don’t tire yourself with the facts. Reread what I posted. The irony of ‘Powell has been corrupted’ might have gone over your head. Have that second cup of coffee and reread what was actually posted.
Warnings of early attacks and ‘crisis’ – what do you think they are saying here.
“I agree Iraq was handled poorly. But it seems like you wish that we should have done nothing. Just ignore the attack”
What attack? 9/11? That was Saudi Arabia/Afghanistan – not Iraq.
You would do well to read Brzezinski’s Grand Chessboard.
Pleef is right.
8. Gold is Haram to wear for men but Baraa’ bin Aazib was given permission to wear a gold ring. Moreover, Rasoolallah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wasallam) put the ring on the companions finger with his own blessed hands. (11)
http://www.freewebs.com/aqdas/authority.htm
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sol.
And they’re not supposed to smoke either and practically all the Muslim men over 40 I ever met smoked.
You don’t get to know a people by reading old books. The Bible absolutely forbids lending money at interest. Tell it to all the bankers sitting on the church fundraising boards.
BUT THESE ARE DEVOUT EXTREMISTS BENT ON DESTROYING THE GREAT SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEVOUT DEVOUT DEVOUT
bth
Posted October 21, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink
“I agree Iraq was handled poorly. But it seems like you wish that we should have done nothing. Just ignore the attack”
What attack? 9/11? That was Saudi Arabia/Afghanistan – not Iraq.
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Yes 9/11, yes Afghanistan as I stated above in a previous post Ben.
The devout pick and choose which rules they want to follow too, Pleef.
Same as you and I do . . .
TRUE OR NOT TRUE
“ANNCR: What does Barack Obama’s running mate say about Barack Obama? ABC’S GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You were asked, “Is he ready?” You said, “I think he can be ready but right now, I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.” JOE BIDEN: I think that I stand by the statement.
· Joe Biden Said Obama Is Not Ready To Serve As President. ABC’s George Stephanopoulos: “You were asked is he ready. You said ‘I think he can be ready, but right now I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.’” Sen. Biden: “I think that I stand by the statement.” (ABC’s, “This Week,” 8/19/07)
ANNCR: And what does he say about John McCain? BIDEN: I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off. JOHN MCCAIN: I’m John McCain and I approve this message.
· Joe Biden Said He’d Be Honored To Run With McCain. Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart: “You may end up going against a Senate colleague, perhaps McCain, perhaps Frist?” Sen. Biden: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off — be well off no matter who…” Stewart: “Did I hear, Did I hear with?” Sen. Biden: “You know, John McCain and I think” Stewart: “Don’t become cottage cheese my friend. Say it.” Sen. Biden: “The answer is yes.” (Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show” 8/2/05)”
Osama isn’t Taha the cabby, he’s the devout leader of martyr’s.
I hold my terrorists in higher regard and to a higher moral standard.
Pleefer
Posted October 21, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
I hold my terrorists in higher regard and to a higher moral standard.
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LMAO!!! I like that.
heheheh
ANTI – in that case I agree – Afghanistan needed to be done. Unfortunately it also needed to be finished which Bush chose not to do when he abandoned it to invade Iraq.
Ben you are telling me nothing new.
Iraq is now sustainable using a small force. Let’s get to the Afgan Mnts. and finish the job.
(And swing the sickle of death) Let’s not do this ‘half-assed’ this time.
The beauty of Al Qaeda is that it can never be “finished”. There are cells worldwide. Gotta love it. WARS WITHOUT END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome.
International crisis? Who better to resolve? What does those who will be called upon say?
If the Presidential election were held today, for whom would you vote?
Enlisted – McCain – 68% – - – Obama – 23%Officers – McCain – 70% – - – Obama – 22%
Army – McCain – 68% – - – Obama – 23%
Navy – McCain – 69% – - – Obama – 24%Air Force – McCain – 67% – - – Obama – 24%
Marine Corps – McCain – 75% – - – Obama – 18% Men – McCain 70% – - – Obama – 22%
Women – McCain – 53% – - – Obama – 36%
Age 18-34 – McCain – 65% – - – Obama – 27%
Age 35 and Older – McCain 70% – - – Obama – 21% Active Duty – McCain – 67% – - – Obama – 24%
Guard & Reserve – McCain – 71% – - – Obama – 21%Retirees – McCain – 72% – - – Obama – 20%
White – McCain – 76% – - – Obama – 17%
Hispanic or Latino – McCain – 63% – - – Obama – 27%Black/African-American – McCain – 12% – - – Obama – 79%O
ther Race Specified – McCain – 58% – - – Obama – 30%
Which of the candidates would do a better job as President:
Handing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? McCain – 74% – - – Obama – 19%
Handling military personnel issues, such as pay and benefits? McCain – 73% – - – Obama – 1818%
Handling issues, such as weapons purchases, the size of the Armed Forces and National Security Strategy?
McCain – 77% – - – Obama – 15%
Handling domestic issues, such as education and the economy?
McCain – 53% – - – Obama – 33%
From a survey done by the Military times, as published in the Army times. A magazine not owned by the military, or the US government
“We’ve always been at war with East Asia”. -Orwell (1984)
I’ll wager that the only two that were up for vote were Obama and McCain. Most would vote for Ron PAul if given the opportunity. But we’ve got ourselves a two-party dictatorship.
Lies by ommission.
“I’ll wager that the only two that were up for vote were Obama and McCain. Most would vote for Ron PAul if given the opportunity. ”
Very good possibilty.
“But we’ve got ourselves a two-party dictatorship.”
Very good possibilty. Actually, they are different sides of the same coin. BUy one, buy both.
Quite a lot more than what littlejohn brought to share.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/the_army_vote_the_military_tim.php
Coke and Pepsi are still cola. Just a slightly different tasting sugar water. But nonetheless, still cola.
The invasion of Afghanistan and overthrow of the Taliban were two different things, but it’s certainly possible that, under a sane administration, either/both would have been inevitable. We don’t know, because no war was not an option W. ever considered, just as his father never considered not invading Iraq in 1990.
The Bush family motto appears to be “scream loudly and wave a stick around.”
lindainks55
Posted October 21, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
Quite a lot more than what littlejohn brought to share.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/the_army_vote_the_military_tim.php
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Okay, an editorial about a poll from another pollster. So, Linda
What are you trying to say? Be specific please.
Quite a lot more than what littlejohn brought to share.
Above is what I meant — specifically.
Linda I read through the entire rambling article with no clear direction to find the significant difference. It wasn’t until I got to the end that I understood why I seemed to ramble. To get the true story:
For those interested enough in military attitudes and polling to have read this far there will be more analysis of the attitudes of the active-duty Army (to include the enlisted ranks) in my forthcoming book Our Army: Soldiers, Politics, and American Civil-Military Relations due from Princeton University Press in 2009.
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Is there anyone with a political that isn’t pushing a book?
OKay, you brought another editorial. THanks
political view
yeeah, I didn’t “get” the article either. sorry, I tried to.
littlejohn
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink
So Biden says the terrorists aren;t sure Obama has the experience for the job (Didn;t he say the same thing?), then tells us to follow along, even when we think he’s wrong, because “he’s from the goverment and he’s here to help”. WOw. sounds like the BUsh doctrine to me.
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Ummmm — Pardon me —- But I dont believe Biden used the word “terrorists” in his ‘predictive’ statement….
L J — Please check the facts, ok??
BIDEN: ““Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy,” Biden said.”
Any and all crises are orchestrated these days.
Kinda missing the BIG picture there aren’t ya chas?
Nope Sol — Just not paraphrasing or making stuff up that isnt there!! IF Biden would have meant terrorists, he would have SAID terrorists…
Chas-
Umm. Sure, you are right. He didn;t say terrorists.
In fact, Biden doesnt even say a “violent” or “military type” crisis… Anybody notice that tidbit??
Stopping terrorists depends mainly on good intelligence, not military actions.
Good intelligence requires the respect and cooperation of other nations. IMO, Obama/Biden are much more qualified to stop terrorists than McCain/Palin.
And one other teeny, tiny, little thing I noticed in Biden’s words —
He doesnt say that this “impending” crisis will directly involve the USA… Just that it would test Obama’s “mettle”.
At one point, Pleefer claims that “important people” were behind 9/11, and uses a 1962 document to prove it. Obviously, alluding to some type of massive conspiracy.
Then, Pleefer writes:
“Afghanistan WAS indeed justified, Iraq was a smokescreen”
Justified by a Pentagon conspiracy? Seems to be a lot of confusion here in his own posts.
JEEEBUUS Chas!!! (Shaking my head)
Chas-
Did ya read the rest?
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said, including the Middle East and Russia as possibilities, “and he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
and
“This guy has it. But he’s gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.” ”
Summarizing.. He (Obama) is going to need your help with your communties because there will be an international crisis, and Obamas response is not goint to be apparent to be right, and his poll numbers are going to drop like a rock, and he is going to follow what he thinks is right.
Again. The Bush Doctrine. But apparently, you think it is okay, and are more hung up that I used the word terrorist than the meaning of what Biden had to say.
That’s okay with me. Drone on.
Dont shake your head too hard there… you might knock a few of those marbles loose!!
Chas please go back and get up on the logical side of the bed. Please don’t use semantics to change the dialogue. What do you think Biden meant when he said the office of prez is what where you need to have on the job training?
Oh, and the reason for the crisis to start with?
I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
not where not what where
Chas,
You see, the thing about beind so vague, is that it leaves the rest to be filled in by the imagination.
The best horror shows let your mind do all the work.
Because under such vague generalities the imagination can come up with the worst things to scare you.
So, we might ask ourselves why Biden is trying to scare us?
Why wouldn’t he have been more specific? Why does he leave it to our imaginations to have to wonder what he meant by “international crisis?”
Chas,
While you are twisitng, might I point to the thread topic?
Would terrorists test Obama?
The thing that really sticks out is his demand for acceptance of a plan to resolve an unamed crisis. Why would he ask for that? Why would he ask supporters to shun their own instincts?
This will not bode well for anyone.
littlejohn posted October 21, 2008 at 10:20 am
TRUE OR NOT TRUE
Joe Biden Said Obama Is Not Ready To Serve As President. ABC’s
(ABC’s, “This Week,” 8/19/07)
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Sen. Biden said that over a year ago, before he saw Obama in many debates, speeches, who he selected as advisors, etc.
Biden observed Obama during the primaries, and decided that Obama was ready to serve as president.
“Sen. Biden said that over a year ago, before he saw Obama in many debates, speeches, who he selected as advisors, etc.
Biden observed Obama during the primaries, and decided that Obama was ready to serve as president.”
As opposed to the twenty years or more that he knew McCain, and stated he would be proud to serve onthe ticket with McCain.
Oh yea. Thanks.
I just love it when you guys try to write in things that arent SAID — to get what IS said to mean what you WANT it to say…
Nice try, but it doesnt work…. What Biden said is perfetly clear… He doesnt SAY terrorist…. He doesnt SAY military crisis…. He names Russia and the Middle East…. So what?? Two trouble spots out of how many?? He doesnt SAY some “imaginary attack” on the US….
THOSE are the things YOU guys are all implying that Biden said….
I make the attempt to stay focused on Biden’s REAL WORDS…. And what do I get from you??? A barrage of attacks that I am WRONG??? Damn, how surprising!!
I am not sure if Biden is right, or wrong… BUT, I do know what he said… And what you wingnuts are prattling on about, is NOT what Biden said!!
Any of you want to prove me wrong here???
Bring it on!!
Chas,
Has Biden clarified his remarks yet?
International Crisis could mean whatever our imaginations dream up.
Why does Biden say that Obama will need help? Is he suggesting incompetence?
Well color me shocked. I had no idea Brownlee was a ‘wingnut’. Again, I point to the thread topic
Would terrorists test Obama?
He doesnt SAY some “imaginary attack” on the US
So… that would require an imaginary response???
What Biden said is perfetly clear
So do enlighten us. What will the crisis be?
Is he suggesting incompetence?
ohhhhh SNAP
Raptor
Posted October 21, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
Why does Biden say that Obama will need help? Is he suggesting incompetence?
I don’t think so. I think he is saying he will be going against the “willl of the people” or at least a large section of it. Sounds like the Bush philosphy to me. “I know I’m right, just shut up and support me”
Why should I identify crisis??? You guys already got your minds made up!!
As for Biden saying “once” that Obama wasnt ready to be President… Please remember the context…. BIDEN was at that point running AGAINST Obama for the nomination!!
Remember when Bush ran against Reagan, and attacked Reagan for his voodoo economics???
And then later, as VP candidate, SUPPORTED Reagan??? Hmmmm????
Look, the point I have madfe is quite simple… You guys started in by attacking Biden for talking about some impending TERRORIST crisis…. when — as I pointed out clearly, Biden DID NOT Say….
YOUR responses have all been aimed at making me fit into your little pea brained imaginations as being wrong about something….
So, no, I’m not going to engage in your intented ‘fear tactics’ spin… when it is quite clear there is no fear tactic in what Biden says…
Chas,
My mind is not made up.
Today I think this “international crisis” could be Germans stopping the export of chocolate and our very own chocolate companies failiing.
That scares me today.
On wednesday it could be a meteor from outerspace which is going to wipe out all life on our planent.
Who knows.
However, for this topic, it appears as if the question at hand is a terrorist attack.
I was implying that Aghanistan was justified as a REACTION to just having been attacked by “them”. We were mad as HELL. But then time passed and the illusion wore off.
No confusion here brah.
David Wade, spokesman for Mr. Biden, released a statement to explain what Mr. Biden intended.
“With our nation facing two wars and 21st century threats abroad, Senator Biden referenced the simple fact that history shows presidents face challenges from day one. After eight years of a failed foreign policy, we need Barack Obama’s good judgment and steady leadership, not the erratic and ideological Bush-McCain approach that has set back our security and standing in the world.”
– From Mr. Brownlee’s link –
And citing an “old” document by our government is valid. It shows the idea…concept, was concieved and slow roasted.
LMFAO.
Oh damn, where to start. The thread topic is a terrorist threat. For the fourth time chas.
There is no attack on Biden. Only wonder about this pending crisis of which he speaks. And the unerving request to accept the response against your instincts. Keeping up chas?
And you, chas, stated that what Biden said was perfectly clear to you. Thus the request for what the crisis would be.
As you show hear, you have no clue as to what it would be nor the impact of Biden’s words.
What Biden said was stupid.
Somebody referenced earlier that Biden merely expanded his remarks based on what Gen. Powell had said…
A simple check will show that Biden’s remarks were made Saturday…. Gen. Powell’s remarks were made on SUNDAY….
“And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.””
Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.” ”
Biden says “There will be an International crisis”
Biden says ” It’s not going to be apparent that they (Obama/BIden) are right
Bident says ” Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ ”
Biden says “So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.” ”
Biden says, I there will be an internation crisis. It will be because Obama is Presient and he is untested. Biden says his (Obama’s) response
will not be perceived as being correct. Biden says the polls will be down. Biden says “trust me”
And you don;t think that’s a problem?
Oh, okay. Obama = Bush III
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““With our nation facing two wars and 21st century threats abroad, Senator Biden referenced the simple fact that history shows presidents face challenges from day one. After eight years of a failed foreign policy, we need Barack Obama’s good judgment and steady leadership, not the erratic and ideological Bush-McCain approach that has set back our security and standing in the world.””
yeah, that really clears it up. Not.
SOL — Since Biden doesnt TALK about any terrorist crisis… perhaps Mr. Brownlee had a brain fart when he titled the thread…
OR maybe he assumed that the Wingnuts would take off running on terrorists again, like usual…
Since the bulk of the tread lead-in talks about what Biden SAID…(which didnt include talk about terrorists) WHY do you keep finding something wrong when I jump on those who want to make Biden be talking about a terrorist attack???
As to WHAT the crisis would be… Biden is quite clear…. He mentions an “international crisis” — and he mentions a “generated” crisis….
That says, simply, it will involve more than one nation…. and that it will be “generated” or ‘created’ in order to test Obama’s resolve…. NOT Obama’s competency, as was mentioned as well….
Now stop jumping the shark, Sol, and try to stay focused… I know ADD is difficult, but do try… Thank you!!
Biden says
“Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
SO, the international crisis will be generated because Obama is President and theye are going to test Obama.
Personally, I hope Biden was so friggin drunk when we said this that he doesn;t even remember saying it. And I hope even more that it does not come true.
Who would you rather have in charge:
Someone who has repeatedly excercised poor judgement, is well documented to have a bad temper and fly off the handle, has already compromised their own values in an effort to gain votes, is known to make snap judgements, and is jaded with diplomacy and ready to dive troop-first into military action at the drop of a hat.
or
Someone who is not as experience, but who has a reputation for thoroughly considering issues, consulting many people before deciding on a course of action, seems to be a rational and logical thinker, someone who claims their first recourse will be diplomacy.
Sorry Pleef…I ain’t buying it. Yes, I did read that 46 year old document. I didn’t see anything about killing 3,000 civilians with hijacked airplanes. I didn’t see anything about attacking the Pentagon. And I certainly didn’t see any connection to anything related to 9/11. Maybe I am not seeing the black helicopters as well?
LMFAO chas, you are so clueless. And aparently hopeless.
Obama’s campaign slogan goes something like this:
“After 8 years of McCain/Bush, we need Obama’s steady leadership and good judgement.”
Would this be the leadership Obama showed by voting “present” while in the Senate without leading anything of consequence?
How about the good judgement to sign a piece of paper pledging to accept public financing for his campaign if McCain did and then ignoring the pledge after he realized that he could buy this election?
What leadership and what judgement has Obama shown that he has other than the obvious lack of all the above?
You know what is truly sad?
Even if Biden has specifically said it would be a terrorist attack Chas would probably still be sitting here spinning.
“RFL
Posted October 21, 2008 at 12:54 pm | Permalink
…
Would this be the leadership Obama showed by voting “present” while in the Senate without leading anything of consequence?
How about the good judgement to sign a piece of paper pledging to accept public financing for his campaign if McCain did and then ignoring the pledge after he realized that he could buy this election?
What leadership and what judgement has Obama shown that he has other than the obvious lack of all the above?”
So three examples of subjectively ‘poor judgement’ are your reasoning for supporting McCain vs Obama?
Scary
SOL — you call me clueless??? Hey, dude, I am sticking with the Biden words… and YOU??? Not too much!!
Now, just who is clueless???
Chas,
Was it your stoke that caused you to type “YOU” in all capitals or did you do that on purpose?
“international crisis” / “generated crisis”
Hmmmm…. Economic…. Natural disaster…. an act of international aggression…. Food/hunger crisis…. civil disobedience….
Gee, any of those could happen… or not…
How about a non-lethal bullet in Obama’s body?? Since Obama would be a WORLD leader, that would be an international crisis… and depending on the seriousness of the injuries, could have a huge effect on international relations…. depending on who the attacker would be….
How about a TOTAL foreign market crash?? That would have powerful repercussions…
SO many to pick from….
I sure dont want to land on any one of those….
Nathan…. awww hell, it isnt worth the effort….
Chas, we are not trying to decipher ancient scriptures here. Biden spoke in a time and language we all (well most of us) understand. This is common sense brosef.
Put your big boy pants on, Ok…
pretty darned sad when all you got is typo-critique!!! LOL
Feigning a plane hijacking and “killing” the passengers? to blame it on Cuba in oreder to invade. Blowing up our own people in the military?
And nevermind that Cheney wanted to dress our SEALs up as Iranians and attack our own vessels…
C’mon man.
Biden has a reputation for frequently saying stupid stuff, I think this fits into that category.
“Pleefer
Posted October 21, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink
Feigning a plane hijacking and “killing” the passengers? to blame it on Cuba in oreder to invade. Blowing up our own people in the military?
And nevermind that Cheney wanted to dress our SEALs up as Iranians and attack our own vessels…
C’mon man.”
Sometimes pawns must fall to ‘protect the king’. Sometimes they fall in strategic moves planned by their own side for ‘the greater good’.
You are really ‘out there’, aren’t you, pleef? Is there anything that is not an evil conspiracy?
Is there anything that is not an evil conspiracy?
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Rockey mountain oysters?
“ANTI
Posted October 21, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink
Is there anything that is not an evil conspiracy?
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Rockey mountain oysters?”
I thought putting testicles in our mouths was part of the Great Gay Agenda?
I thought putting testicles in our mouths was part of the Great Gay Agenda?
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Brian, they are to flamboient to keep a ‘conspiracy’ a secret.
and YOU??? Not too much!!
Bet you can’t back that up.
As to WHAT the crisis would be… Biden is quite clear
…
SO many to pick from….
Clue
Less
Chas Bob Square Peg.
It is a good thing that Obama has (according to you Republicans) extensive Muslim and terrorist ties that will serve him well when the “TEST” comes.
John McCain would not be able to handle such a test as he was broken during ‘Nam and broken again in 2000 by Rove/Bush. McCain also has lived the millionaire’s life of opulence and sloth. His ability to make decisions has been impaired by his wealth and his age.
The very thing that makes Obama scary to the American people is his ability to be cold, calculating, and unemotional in a crisis. He will use the FULL force and weight of America’s people, weapons, and intelligence to meet any challenge. Mark my words, the TEST will be overcome and no one will dare test his mettle again.
“As opposed to the twenty years or more that he knew McCain, and stated he would be proud to serve onthe ticket with McCain.
Oh yea. Thanks.”
And when did Biden say that?
The very thing that makes Obama scary to the American people is his ability to be cold, calculating, and unemotional in a crisis.
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mxyzptlk, what supporting evidence do you have for this statement. I am electing a prez not a good debater who is good at talking points.
Convince me he is all of the things you say he is.
According to the latest Military poll, McCain leads 68% to Obama’s 23%.
Pretty odd for the men and women of the Military to go overwhelmingly for such an erratic hot head as their commander and chief, huh?
McCain is running a negative campaign when he brings up Bill Ayers.
Obama and the media gushes with positivity when McCain is portrayed as Old and Senile, the same as Bush, erratic and Joe the Plumber who asks Obama a hypothetical question is now a miserable excuse for an American.
Obama’s entire campaign effort to paint McCain as Bush is not only negative but it isn’t even true.
okobserver All you ever want to do is argue. Your mind is made up so there is no point discussing anything with you. You either can see Obama or you can’t.
CHYRON: John McCain is a Maverick. Just ask Democrats.
SEN. DASCHLE: He can work with Democrats on key issues whether it’s campaign finance reform or tobacco policy. He’s worked with us.
SEN. BIDEN: John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain.
SEN. KERRY: I have enormous respect for him. He’s a courageous, patriotic American who stands up for what he believes.
HOWARD DEAN: I admire Senator McCain greatly, he’s one of the people we modeled our campaign over because he is very direct, very blunt, and nobody has to guess at what he’s thinking.
SEN. FEINGOLD: I love John McCain, he’s a great guy.
CHYRON: Even Barack Obama has praise for the maverick.
SEN. OBAMA: Since coming to Washington, I’ve believed that the right approach begins with the proposal put forward by Senator Lieberman and Senator McCain.
CHYRON: Let’s let Hillary Clinton have the final say.
SEN. CLINTON: I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.
CHYRON: John McCain – Country First
CHYRON: John McCain is a Maverick. Just ask Democrats. SEN. DASCHLE: He can work with Democrats on key issues whether it’s campaign finance reform or tobacco policy. He’s worked with us.
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People who know McCain best talk about his credentials.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 21, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
okobserver All you ever want to do is argue. Your mind is made up so there is no point discussing anything with you. You either can see Obama or you can’t.
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Actually I don’t argue. I do present truth and logic. I just asked you for some evidence that your statement about Obama is truth. You must have none so attack me personally. This isn’t helping your veracity.
bth
Posted October 21, 2008 at 1:47 pm | Permalink
“As opposed to the twenty years or more that he knew McCain, and stated he would be proud to serve onthe ticket with McCain.
Oh yea. Thanks.”
And when did Biden say that?
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Ben he said this during the primaries when he said Obama wasn’t ready for the job of prez and it wasn’t a position for on the job training.
Right ok. Right.
Great article on McCain.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
I challenge even McCain supporters to read it.
SEN. CLINTON: I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.
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This is my all time favorite quote from Hillary.
Brian a hachet job by Rolling Stone is not something I will waste time on. They are out there on every candidate. Just choose your poison and you will find it represented on the web. I looked at it and the caricature was all I needed, to see that it was a time waster and in no way could be objective journalism.
Powell states that there will be a crises January 21st or 22nd that we “don’t even know about yet”.
http://infowars.net/articles/october2008/211008Powell.htm
Raptor,
forget anything I ‘ve ever said to you, I recant. All is well my friend.
Nigh-night.
was it just a figure of speech? maybe…
“okobserver
Posted October 21, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
Brian a hachet job by Rolling Stone is not something I will waste time on. They are out there on every candidate. Just choose your poison and you will find it represented on the web. I looked at it and the caricature was all I needed, to see that it was a time waster and in no way could be objective journalism.”
I figured some would react that way, but you would say the same thing if you saw a picture of McCain punching your mom.
For the more open minded crowd, most of the things in the article i sent are from McCain’s autobiography, along with interviews of his friends and associates, and are not disputed by McCain.
Another nutty “theory”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/21/klein.depression/index.html
Stupid history, it always messes things up.
Uh oh, now Iran and Venezuela matter in oil pricing…they are “tightening the squeeze”.
I thought that Chavez was a no-matter chump?
Brian I have a great deal of respect for my mother so once again a lib has made one of those off the wall statements that mean absolutely nothing.
I am still waiting for some evidence that Obama has operated in a crisis. No one seems to have one, just knows that he will handle himself well. As Hillary Clinton said, he did write that letter in 2002.
brian,
I have not read any posts of yours that has listed even one example how Obama has demonstrated superb judgement and/or leadership worthy of the presidency.
How about just three?
ANTI
Posted October 21, 2008 at 1:15 pm | Permalink
Chas, we are not trying to decipher ancient scriptures here. Biden spoke in a time and language we all (well most of us) understand. This is common sense brosef.
Put your big boy pants on, Ok…
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I ALREADY SAID that, Idiot!! Biden spoke very clearly…. WHY do you keep trying to change what he said, and make it into what YOU wanted to hear???
If you think you can get me to disagree with what I said…. NOT… Thats an OLD trick…. And you did it very poorly!!
hmmmmm…. let’s see now…. McCain’s action in a crisis was to SING for his NVA Captors!!! Make videos for them…. Just what we need in a crisis….
Where does the Constitution say that knowing how to act in a crisis is a requirement for being POTUS???
“okobserver
Posted October 21, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
Brian I have a great deal of respect for my mother so once again a lib has made one of those off the wall statements that mean absolutely nothing.”
Here is your word for the day: hyperbole
“RFL
Posted October 21, 2008 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
brian,
I have not read any posts of yours that has listed even one example how Obama has demonstrated superb judgement and/or leadership worthy of the presidency.
How about just three?”
you do that for McCain and I will do it for Obama…
brian,
McCain said that he would accept public financing and he did. Obama said that he would accept financing if McCain did and he did not.
McCain rightly supported an unpopular strategy of the surge which has lead the US closer to a popular victory and exit from Iraq.
McCain has served decades in the armed services and in the Senate. Obama has spent his entire
US Senate career running for president.
McCain voted for the Supreme Court Nominations of Ginsberg and Breyer (Clinton appointees) even though he disagreed with their ideology.
Obama voted against both Roberts and Alito on strictly ideological grounds and along with the other Democrats brought the Senate to a fillibuster with nothing accomplished.
McCain definitively defines his position on drilling for oil, nuclear power, abortion, winning the war against Al Qeada in Iraq and keeping taxes low and reducing government spending.
Obama says he will “look” at drilling, he does not like nuclear power waste but likes the power, can’t decide when life begins buy votes against a partial birth abortion ban and against giving botched abortion victims medical treatment, supports fighting Al Qeada in every country in the world but Iraq, can’t list one thing that he will reduce spending on, promises to lower taxes even though he has never voted for a tax decrease.
Obama Supports spreading the wealth by taking money from those who have worked hard to earn it but denies being a socialist.
Chas says
“Where does the Constitution say that knowing how to act in a crisis is a requirement for being POTUS???”
Where did anybody say it did? Now, don;t you think it would be a good idea? Or do you just like the idea of On the Job training? Or do you not care, casue Obama is your man?
“Where does the Constitution say that knowing how to act in a crisis is a requirement for being POTUS???” -Chas
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Chas Bob Square Peg.
“Would terrorists test Obama?”
Why are you asking us? Biden is the one who guaranteed it.
Stand up, Chuck!
L J / ANTI —-
The Constitution DOESNT say that… Thats why I asked the question, since so many of you Loose Wing Nuts keep pressing the issue of that matter…. Why else would I ask the question!!
Of course, ANTI keeps up with the STUPIDEST of all answers…. just as normal…
Who the hell is BOB???
Fleettie??? Biden, ONCE AGAIN, did NOT say any such thing!! PLEASE, PLEASE, learn to READ before you make a FOOL of yourself!!
Damn, ya just cant fix stupid!!!
Why else would I ask the question!!
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‘Cause your too dense to figure it out on your own.
“L J / ANTI —-
The Constitution DOESNT say that… Thats why I asked the question, since so many of you Loose Wing Nuts keep pressing the issue of that matter…. ”
So, what exactly does that mean> That, in your words
“Loose Wing Nuts keep pressing the issue of that matter….
Or that you made a typo and meant that
“Loose Wing Nuts keep pressing the issue of that doesn;t matter…. ”
In which case, I would ask, why would it not? The COnstitution doesn;t say anything about the President handing out tax increases, either, or tax cuts, for that matter. Yet, you have claimed that as a reason for supporting Obama.
So, if in BIden’s own words, Guranteeed that there will be a generated international crisis, shouldn;t we be concerned it the nominee can handle it?
Sen. Biden said it, so he’ll have to wear it. I note that history does support his position (recent history); after Pres. Clinton won, he had to deal with Somalia, IIRC; and, Pres. Bush 43 with 9/11.
Although Sen. Biden didn’t say this, I will; it won’t matter who wins the Presidency, he will be (if recent history is predictive) dealing with an international crisis. Whether it is a continuation of the current “finance crisis”, a terrorist attack, or something else, the mettle of the newly elected President will be tested, and soon, after taking office.
“It is clear the terrorists would not ‘test’ McCain, he wouldn’t put up with that nonsense, and they know it”
Oh please!
Biden was speaking in too general terms, all new Presidents are tested by other leaders and groups. Not just if it happens to be Obama whom wins it would happen to McCain too.
And just what would McCain do? Since he is so fawned of Bush’s economic policies and Foreign polices. What he too would invade a country that had nothing to do with the attack? Watch out Germany, be quacking in your boots if Iran were to attack America!
Hell if we were to invade the Caribbean I would enlist, I already have my swim suit and a bottle of sun tan lotion! Who’s got a beach chair?
quacking in your boots
As opposed to quaking in your boots…
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quack quack
quack quack
quack quack
LJ you read what I said, and I meant what I said…. The wing nuts keep crying and whining about a President needing to have experience in handling a crisis…. as some kind of pre-requisite to the Presidency…
So, yes, you read it right….
Care to refute it??? Thanks, but do keep trying….
ANTI — With your mental limitations being what they are, I cant say you are FOS…
However, your posts here suggest that you really are FOS!!! LOL
RFL, if you count the things you listed as instances where McCain “demonstrated superb judgement and/or leadership worthy of the presidency” then you have pretty low standards for Presidents.
(with the exception of one thing – McCain’s stance on Judicial nominees is very presidential. It is right to look at qualifications and put aside political ideology differences)
Sounds like a guarantee to me.
“Mark my words,” Biden told donors at a Seattle fund-raiser Sunday night.
“It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America.
“Watch. We’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.
Chas
Posted October 21, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
ANTI — With your mental limitations being what they are, I cant say you are FOS…
However, your posts here suggest that you really are FOS!!! LOL
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No longer brotha Chas, I just ‘downloaded some information’, if ya know what I mean….I’m good for a while, but thanks for your concern for my bowels.
Is there any crisis that is not generated?
Perhaps a natural disaster (though some of the posters here probably would argue that those are generated as some sort of punishment by God for various things)
Re: ANTI
DNFTT
Re: Chas
DNFTFP
Well, we all know that in the event of an attack, McCane will do something. Just like Bush did. What we need is someone who will do the right thing. McCane’s past judgement calls don’t inspire confidence in his ability to analyze of a crisis, and therefore his ability to attack the the right enemy. Attacking the convenient enemy is what got us in the expensive and ineffectual mess we are in now. Obama at least has the intelligence to use intelligence instead of ideology.
Generated or not, some crisis will smack either president, and probably within three months. Hell, the financial crisis is far from over, and could explode into a depression. Russia could send troops into whichever country they want back in the fold; Iran could nuke Israel; Pakistan and India could exchange nukes. And that doesn’t include natural disasters. I think Obama will handle them better than McCain, IMHO!!!
“JMWalker
Posted October 21, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink
Generated or not, some crisis will smack either president, …I think Obama will handle them better than McCain, IMHO!!!
And that folks, is what it will come down to for each of us on election day
A great look at where Palin comes from, what her duties s mayor were, how she gained that executive experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXwQKrL92c4
Writer,
Hope your son is doing well and is safe.
Iran could nuke Israel…why not vice-versa?
Then we’ll of course back brother Israel.
The next President will watch over WW3.
Does anyone on here, besides me, question what the heck a “generated crises” means?
All of these folks are pretty sure something will happen.
Will it be “the lone nut” who tries his hand at assassination against the first black President?
That is scary to me.
Perhaps John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) would, when faced with a crisis, “suspend his administration” to deal with the problem.
Of course, that would put the Moose-Dresser in charge.
“Monkeyhawk
Posted October 21, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
Perhaps John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) would, when faced with a crisis, “suspend his administration” to deal with the problem.
Of course, that would put the Moose-Dresser in charge.”
I guess she has done a good job of keeping an eye on Russia from her outpost in the north.
“I guess she has done a good job of keeping an eye on Russia from her outpost in the north.”
WEll, they never invaded, did they? Sounds like she protected it well.
VIce Presidential nominee says
“And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
and
“This guy has it. But he’s gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? ”
Summarizing. once again, . He (Obama) is going to need your help with your communties because there will be an international crisis, and Obamas response is not going to be apparent to be right, and his poll numbers are going to drop like a rock, and he is going to follow what he thinks is right.
Again, this is how different from the Bush (I know I’m right donlt bother me with the polls) I’m the decider mentality?
Oh, it’s Obama so it must be okay. Yeah,right.
Oh my god, “littlejohn” –
If Obama wins he’s going to do what he thinks is right?!
Well, we can be sure John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) wouldn’t do that.
“littlejohn
Posted October 21, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink
“I guess she has done a good job of keeping an eye on Russia from her outpost in the north.”
WEll, they never invaded, did they? Sounds like she protected it well.”
Of course, that same logic would also make me qualified to be VP since I successfully prevented Andover from invading north east Wichita.
I’ve got Maize under surveillance out here in West Wichita. ;-)
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 21, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink
Oh my god, “littlejohn” –
If Obama wins he’s going to do what he thinks is right?!
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And you have never blasted Bush for doing what he thinks is right, and ignoring the polls,or the clamors for the people of the country to do something different? Perhaps, but many have.
So, again, what is different. Bush is the decider, and does what he thinks is right, regardless of the people. BIden, the vice Presidential nominee, Says Obama will do what he thinks is right, and it won’t be evident that Obama is right, and the polls numbers will tank. but have Faith, Obama is doing the right thing. Oh, okay, I see the difference. Yeah, right.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 21, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink
Oh my god, “littlejohn” –
If Obama wins he’s going to do what he thinks is right?!
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And you have never blasted Bush for doing what he thinks is right, and ignoring the polls,or the clamors for the people of the country to do something different? Perhaps, but many have.
So, again, what is different. Bush is the decider, and does what he thinks is right, regardless of the people. BIden, the vice Presidential nominee, Says Obama will do what he thinks is right, and it won’t be evident that Obama is right, and the polls numbers will tank. but have Faith, Obama is doing the right thing. Oh, okay, I see the difference. Yeah, right.
Of course, that same logic would also make me qualified to be VP since I successfully prevented Andover from invading north east Wichita.
Thankfully. You deserve a medal, or a piece of paper, or something. Perhaps Secretary of Defense!!
“I’ve got Maize under surveillance out here in West Wichita. ;-)”
We are saved! I tell you, saved!!!
“littlejohn” reiterated –
“And you have never blasted Bush for doing what he thinks is right…”
I never had any evidence that Shrub thinks.
Speaking of “lone gunmen”
A funny coincidence…
The Lone Gunman pilot episode, March 2001, depicts a plot wherein a hijacked plane is remotely flown into WTC in order to bolster defense spending. Funny eh?
Check out part of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKQz-xm0is
Here’s the “Wiki-lowdown” on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_series)
I know, it’s just a coincidence, but it’s pretty …umm…funny, anyhow.
I know I’m not part of this blogs’ intelligentsia or nothing, I’m just throwing stuff out there.
I tried to cite the Fox X-Files page, but it’s temporarily down.
So, again, what is different. Bush is the decider, and does what he thinks is right, regardless of the people. BIden, the vice Presidential nominee, Says Obama will do what he thinks is right, and it won’t be evident that Obama is right, and the polls numbers will tank. but have Faith, Obama is doing the right thing. Oh, okay, I see the difference. Yeah, right.
It’s okay for Obama, because he “thinks” he is right. According to Monkeyhawk, Bush never thinks.
Yeah, that makes it better. BIden says Obama will be against the will of the people, and it won;t even be apparent he’s right, but we should have faith. Okay, yeah,that makes it better. A lot.
I thought MonkeyHawk’s answer was a good one.
I’m not much on crystal ball stuff, but I will predict that President Obama doesn’t expect to give Vice President Biden another oval office down the hallway, but remain in control of the presidency (that will be refreshing from the past eight years.)
Now, Biden does seem to stumble over words often. What I got as meaning from the words he butchered was that past history indicates there could be an international crisis early into President Obama’s term. Further, he would make decisions that may not be popular but please continue to support him as he is the right man for this time.
Do any of us think our great challenges will be met without sacrifices? In fact, aren’t we all smart enough to know that telling us to go shopping after 9/11 was one of bush’s failures?
I dunno if you’ve seen this or if it’s big now but Biden is truly clairvoyant.
A September 10, 2001 speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHtGTvTZ-wc
I am amazed by this man now, no, in awe of him.
ANTI
Posted October 21, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
unnecessary wars, Rage?
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I agree Iraq was handled poorly. But it seems like you wish that we should have done nothing. Just ignore the attack and sit and wait at home until our doors are kicked in and our wives’s and children’s heads are being sawed off…Then do something? Or do we still sit and wait?
ANTI you say that like Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Where did Rage say that we should not of went to Afghanistan. if he said that than your right but if he didnt, you need a history lesson “nitwit”.
20 of the last 28 years = Republican President
12 of the last 15 years = Republican congress
the last 8 years Republican President 6 of those with a Republican congress,
Republicans cant lead!…………..
“Now, Biden does seem to stumble over words oftenWhat I got as meaning from the words he butchered was that past history indicates there could be an international crisis early into President Obama’s term. Further, he would make decisions that may not be popular but please continue to support him as he is the right man for this time.”
BIden didn;t stumble at all. He clearly said, regardless of what you got as meaning that
There would be an international crisis within 6 months. That it would be generated to specifically test the mettle of President Obama.
That President Obamas response would not appear to be right, at least initially, and that the poll numbers would tank, meaning people would disagree with his “apparently incorrect” response.
But have faith, he’s the right man for the job.
Yeah, I feel so much better. Your misdirection is just that. Misdirection. Bden gave it away, damn him for it. That SOB couldnever say what he means. He needs you to interpret for him.
Interpretation: OBAMA is going to do what he wants. You won;t like it, but have faith. He’s “the one” or sorry, he’s “the guy”
Thanks for shring that Pleefer. I hadn’t ever seen it or heard about it. I have a BIG problem with our Military Industrial Complex and feel reassured that Biden does too! He has a better handle on ways to ensure keeping us safe than anyone who has been “in charge” recently.
If there’s a test, Obama will ace it. I doubt mccain ever aced a test, hell he wasn’t even much of an ace!
night all. Ya’ll have a good time bashing each other. Meanwhile, the “Great Leader (s) do what they want.
littlejohn, I’m sorry you are so angry. I answered a question. I do see a different meaning in Biden’s words than you do. I could be very wrong! I’ve been wrong before and will be again. I didn’t do a good job even of explaining all I “hear” from Biden’s words but have chicken frying so won’t now take the time to make what I meant clearer. And your anger tells me it wouldn’t matter anyway.
lindababy,
I was kiddin’ with the amorous talk of Biden.
He scares the crap outta me more than Obama. He, like McCain, are tenured evil-doers.
And, in all fairness, a President John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) would probably be tested frequently if he were in office… for recurrences of cancer.
(And the Moose-Dresser would probably give him a sun lamp for Christmas.)
“littlejohn,” not that such things seem to matter to you, but the quality of thought amounts to something. We’ve seen the pathetic quality of Shrub’s thought-process. And McCoot has sold out his old “principled” positions more than a $20 hooker.
But of course you see no difference, “littlejohn.” That says something about your thought process, too.
I still thank you Pleefer. I think it’s a good quality to not be in favor of the next latest and greatest weapons system. And to be aware of what is lacking in our country’s security systems. Unlike the warmonger McCain, Biden seems to use his experience to avoid more war or at least make it the last alternative and when absolutely necessary. McCain just wants a war of his very own, or two or three…
Ummmmm. Fried chicken!
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back again to bondage.”
Ha-
I got a chance to come back for a bit and wow, what did I find?
“littlejohn, I’m sorry you are so angry”
Sorry, you should be angry that you are wrong, again. I am not angry, I just don;t buy the Messiah Obama complex. And neither should you.
“littlejohn,” not that such things seem to matter to you, but the quality of thought amounts to something. We’ve seen the pathetic quality of Shrub’s thought-process. And McCoot has sold out his old “principled” positions more than a $20 hooker.
But of course you see no difference, “littlejohn.” That says something about your thought process, too.”
YEah, I didn;t drink the Obama Kool Aid. Sorry, don;t support Bush, and I sure as hell don’t support McCain. As I have said many times, McCain has no character. But you can talk about McCain and Bush all you want, it doesn;t take away from the fact that the soon to be Vice PResident said someone is going to generate an international crisis to test Obama, that Obama’s response will at least initally be thought of as wrong, and according to the polls, he will be against the will of the people. Spin it all you want, that is what he said. HE (BIden) Not Bush, not McCain.
My choices for the probable generated international crisis
1) Muslim country invades Isreal, or attacks Isreal with missiles.
2) China invades Taiwan
3) Terrorists attack US embassy or other US holdings offshore from Continental United States
4) Russia invades another country that used to be part of the USSR.
5) North Korea invades South Korea
6) Venezuela launches attacks on neighbors
My guess on Obamas response? No response.
My guess as to which is the most probable? 1,2,3
Play Video Video: Palin: Joe Biden got a pass CNN Play Video Video: Spotlight on Pennsylvania: Battleground state AP Play Video Video: Murtha’s Mea Culpa FOX News WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has opened up a 10-point lead over Republican opponent John McCain two weeks before the November 4 U.S. election, according to Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released on Tuesday.
The poll found 52 percent of voters favor Obama compared with 42 percent for McCain, up from a 6-point Obama edge two weeks ago, the Wall Street Journal reported.
(Writing by Joanne Allen; editing by Chris Wilson)
My guess is if Mccain wins,
Russia invades Alaska!
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 21, 2008 at 6:19 pm | Permalink
Ummmmm. Fried chicken!
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Is drooling allowed?
Poignant, American. I’ve read that before and how true it rings.
littlejohn,
Referring to your list, I address option #4. Russia invades another country. I have to ask which was the first that they invaded?
The USSR back during their Afghanistan thingy?
I guess since Biden was talking to libs in Seattle, it sounds like he is saying that obama would make use of the military or force of some type. Folks in Seattle, San Fran are gonna be reallllly pissed by that.
It’s amazing that I didn’t see anybody bringing up what Rush had to say about it today. Maybe I can get a couple of libs to respond.
So tell me, I thought obama was suppose to be the “fixer” of America’s image? That obama being president would make everybody like us again?
SO, WHO OR WHAT would want to attack us??? We’ve got obama as president, isn’t that what the world wanted? Isn’t this the messiah the WHOLE world has been waiting for??? So why would biden say we would be dealing with a crisis??? Libs??
Isn’t obama gonna go talk with IMADINNERJACKET?
Isn’t he gonna talk with chavez?
Isn’t he gonna get us out of Iraq in 16 months?
Whats the problem??
If we’re going to talk about the financial crisis, then the president will tested in the first week.
Poignant, American. I’ve read that before and how true it rings.
So, Pleefer, I take it you think that the comfortably affluent are embracing slavery, as the poem says?
The chicken was scrumpdillyious, farmgrrl. That’s because I used a bit of Tony Chachere’s (at your suggestion!). I already knew the turn it once and drain on a wire rack part. I make sure the oil is hot before I put the chicken in too. ;-)
littlejohn, no matter how often you attempt to stamp down my hope, enthusiasm and belief in our country’s abilities to have a great future, it won’t happen. You are disappointed. I am not. Just to see an end to the bush administration sets my heart to soaring a little bit. In fact, when I really think about it (I try not to) I realize that screw up has ample time to make things even worse. I try to keep my thoughts on IT’S ENDING, and none too soon!
I’ve never understood why anyone thinks a poster has to be wrong in order for them to be right. My opinion is different than the one you hold, not necessarily wrong, just as yours isn’t necessarily right. They are our opinions — could be both are partially wrong and partially right.
Now back to Biden. No, he doesn’t need an interpreter even tho he does stumble on words. I stumble too so the best I can do is try to make my thoughts clear which is a pretty big challenge! Biden has a long history for me to examine so I do have insight into the intentions behind his words.
Biden was at a Seattle fundraiser when he said these words. Those in attendance were donors, supporters, the fat cats and insiders. And he wants them to understand it’s likely things won’t always be coming up roses as they are now with the man they support likely headed to achieving the shared goal. So, he reflects on the past and there is a history of international challenge for a new president. And, Obama would, as all before him, take actions they may or may not think wise at first blush. Biden is saying hang in there, this is a truly talented man who will make good decisions and if you don’t see that immediately, don’t lose hope but instead look deeper, and wait a bit for the justifications. He was saying, I’ve great confidence he will make the right decisions OR change course when warranted. (Remember we’ve come off eight years of keepin’ on the same failed course!)
I see Biden’s request for continued support as a reminder to those fat cat insiders that this, “brilliant 47-year-old senator of the United States of America,” won’t stop needing support once elected. In fact, as he meets the challenges head on, that support will be as important as ever.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said to my children, friends, coworkers that I’m here for them if they need me while they go about those challenges life will present! I’ll give advice if asked, I’ll listen if they need an ear… I read Biden’s words as the same kinds of reminders I’ve made to those I care about. He was asking those fat cat donors to be supportive during the harder times. An attitude of we’re in this together and together we are stronger.
I will never think you’re wrong for having a differing opinion. Isn’t that what we do on a blog? We express our opinion and expect others to do the same. Sometimes we learn, sometimes we gain another perspective to chew on and think about. Sometimes we just understand that what we think isn’t shared by others, without feeling a need to reexamine the opinion we hold.
Yeah Rage, I do.
I think they’ll/we’ll all go along with whatever keeps us fat, stupid and lazy. And if having no real freedom means that us plebes can keep their teevees and beer mugs full, they’ll be just hunky-dory.
We’re slaves right now. Only we call it being in debt. And what was signed over the last two-weeks just tightened our chains.
But don’t worry, you’ll still get your ESPN.
And what does “comfortable affluent” mean anyhow?
The middle class (where ALL of us on here reside) is just about over. I’m living paycheck to paycheck, happy and “comfortable”. But still, I know that I’m an indentured servant. And putting my kid’s through public education teaches them the “correct” way to slave away.
We’re slaves right now. Only we call it being in debt. And what was signed over the last two-weeks just tightened our chains.
But don’t worry, you’ll still get your ESPN.
Good post, and perceptive, even if we don’t always agree on what got us to this point.
I think we agree that the credit-card, you-can-have-it-all “Miller Time” mentality helped cause this.
It’s a start.
“Keep you doped with religion, and sex and TV
And you think you’re so clever and classless and free
But you’re still f*ucking peasants as far as I can see.”
John Lennon, from “Working Class Hero,” 1970
Full circle Rage. Lennon would be a “truther” today.
But “They” kill all of the true leaders and thinkers. And leave us who we have now.
A debt-based society should scare us to death, but yet it’s embraced.
And some on here have called me crazy…sheesh.
“Would terrorists test Obama?”
No, they would eat him for lunch.
Great post Linda. The blog SHOULD be about sharing ideas and opinions, not a name calling, insult fest as it often turns into.
Great post Linda. The blog SHOULD be about sharing ideas and opinions, not a name calling, insult fest as it often turns into.
Oh yeah? Well, YOU’RE A DING DONG! :)
With creamy stuff in the middle!? ummmm.
“The chicken was scrumpdillyious, farmgrrl. That’s because I used a bit of Tony Chachere’s (at your suggestion!). I already knew the turn it once and drain on a wire rack part. I make sure the oil is hot before I put the chicken in too. ;-)”
Stoooop! Yer killin’ me! Heheheh.
Glad the Tony’s worked for you. Nothing goes out of my kitchen without Tony’s, except for desert.
My customers out here like Dorothy Lynch dressing on their salads.
So the kitchen help, to make me laugh at the most stressful times, started singing “Tony and Dorthy were lovers” to the tune of “Frankie and Johnnie”.
Yeah. We’re a little wacked out here and easily amused…
“Oh yeah? Well, YOU’RE A DING DONG! :)”
Hee hee hee heee…..
Can I call grmie a HO HO?
This letter is so well written, it may even make some of his supporters think twice, or maybe not as they are so seemingly stupid. Nonetheless it has 7 remarkably great questions to the type of man he is.
Dear Mr. Obama,
It is October 2, 2008. My name is Mark Gregg. I am a 50 something conservative white male. I have followed your campaign closely, including the speeches you and others made at the democratic national convention. I am respectfully providing you with seven simple (probably shallow) reasons why I could never vote for you. I believe my opinion is shared by many people. While there may not be quite enough to prevent you from becoming president of this nation, I do think there is an awakening to the fact that you are not a (the) messiah that the media and liberal Hollywood entertainers are trying to portray you.
1.. I hear your mantra of change, change, change. Yet, you picked a long term, liberal, Washington insider (Joe Biden) to be your running mate. This is NOT change. It is a move that hypocritically refutes the very thing you supposedly stand for. Your campaign then slammed McCain for picking Sarah Palin, apparently, because she is NOT a Washington Insider. She is a maverick who cleaned-up Alaska’s quagmire of political scandals. Which way is it, Barack? Is it okay for you to pick a Washington insider under the mantra of change, but not okay for John McCain to pick a smart, aggressive, reformer?
2.. You have the single most liberal voting record in the senate. This indicates to me and others like me that you may very well be an angry black man seeking to punish our country for sins of a different generation. I am not racist. I have some biases just like you and every other human alive. Unlike the Democratic Party who claims to be for the minority (but their record heavily refutes this), I will give any person who truly needs help, help. I married a minority girl 35 years ago (she is Hispanic) and have seen the evils of prejudice first hand. However, I have also seen my wife and my children and others in her family throw off the veil of self imposed prejudicial bondage and move ahead. They love our country and do not view themselves any different than I view myself as a citizen of this country.. Your lovely wife so disappointed people like me during this campaign when she stated it was the first time she had ever been proud of this country. She apparently never noticed the massive aid we give dozens of other countries. She apparently never noticed the sacrifice of literally millions of veterans who helped make this country a free nation and helped liberate other nations from brutal dictators such as Adolf Hitler. She apparently does not remember that she attended Ivy League universities with scholarship money that ultimately (at least some of it) was paid for by our taxes. This troubles me more than you know. She is an angry black woman who appears to not like her country very much. I don’t want her representing me to the rest of the world.
3.. You claim Christianity but apparently do not realize that the Bible teaches that he who does not work, does not eat. The Bible does not say or even suggest that he, who CANNOT work, should not eat. Yet, your liberal policies reward people who are capable of working, but choose to not do so. This bothers me. I know that if you are elected our taxes will spiral upwards. You should heed the words of Winston Churchill: We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. If I like anything about you, it is your campaign promise to balance the federal budget. Unfortunately, we have heard this a huge number of times from a number of different politicians and we realize that when you energize the very liberal Nancy Pelosi, Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, etc, etc, and the many other Democrats like them, a balanced budget will never, ever happen on your watch.
4.. During your question and answer session with Rick Warren of Saddleback Church your answer concerning the question of where does life begin, stunned me: Above your pay grade? Does this mean when something bad happens as President of this nation that you are going to look at your salary to determine if you can respond? I am sorry, but this was the most serious gaffe I have seen you make. Frankly, it shows me that you are pandering in the most obvious manner. You will choose your words not from your heart, but from an agenda that I believe is still hidden from the American people.
5.. If anything stands out about you it is probably your appeasement mentality. In this era of rampant, radical Islamic extremism and with the latest stunt pulled by the re-energized Russian government, I am not sure appeasement is healthy. I again revert to the words of Winston Churchill: An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
6.. You and your party tacitly believe that a 13 or 14 year old girl must have the parents approval to have the school nurse provide them with a Tylenol when they have a headache at school. Yet, this same girl can become pregnant and the school can skirt her off to a clinic and abort the child in her body without the parents knowing or being notified. This scares the hell out of me. You have two little girls. Would you be upset if this happened to them and you were not informed? Then why do you stand for this? It makes no sense to me.
7.. My seventh and final point (for now) is your supporters. I have watched the Hollywood entertainers that support you, systematically embrace Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and others like him. I see the continuous smut and garbage produced by Hollywood, the very people who promote you the most vigorously. It is not a positive point to me and others like me to see these over-paid, bizarre, poor examples of human existence fawn over you and push you and your liberal agenda as hard as they do. The way that I see it; when the devil is for you, we should question whether or not we should be against you.
In closing, I just want you to know that you scare me. I cannot vote for you. It is not because of your skin color. It is because these items and many, many others like them. Do not claim that my dislike for you is race based. It is because I do not feel you have the best interests of this nation at heart.
Respectfully, Mark A. Gregg
When Obama wins the election, his first real crisis will most likely come from the far-right in the form of an assassination attempt. The shots will probably land too far to the left to hit the man, but those RR creeps are a persistant bunch when faced with their suspected anti-christ in the White House!
For the Boxlicker >>>>
Regarding that — Ahem — “letter” from the alleged Mark A. Gregg —- Addressing just ONE of “Gregg’s” points — the one where he claims the Bible is against helping others….
Point 3:
In this point you say the Bible does not support being charitable. Perhaps you have one of those Bibles printed by supporters of the last administration. Since relevant sections are often not discussed, these Bibles seem to have uhh, some pages missing.
Should you need a replacement, any local church should be able to help you get one. As for your assertion the Bible says nothing about charity, I might suggest you read sections Deuteronomy 15:7-11, James 2:14-17, Ecclesiastes 5:7-14, I Corinthians 9:7, 13:13 and oh, many many more sections once you get that complete Bible.
A Link to my above post (Response to “Gregg”) —
http://www.sodahead.com/user/profile/895055/jodie/
‘Response to “Gregg” Letter’
Chas, what an idiot you continue to prove yourself to be.
Can you not read or just lying again.
Or worse, as a fake preacher trying to lead people the wrong way.
Read Chas: “Bible teaches that he who does not work, does not eat.
The Bible does not say or even suggest that he, who CANNOT work, should not eat.
Obama’s inability to draw and hold hard lines is the primary reason he repeatedly struggles with — and caves and morphs into — the polls or people in front of him. More than any other politician in history, he has flip-flopped on a host of critical issues: Iraq, Iran, gay rights, NAFTA, abortion, race, religion, gun control, etc. It’s one thing to be political, but it’s quite another to be a chronic people pleaser under pressure. Swaying based on political expediency is not a leadership quality we need in tough times. Sooner or later, that character flaw will bite Obama big-time — and us if we elect him president.
I’m not saying Obama has no continued future in politics. He just needs more experience in life to weed out those character deficiencies. That’s why I’m asking Americans to look afresh at these questions: Is Obama crisis-leadership qualified? Will he truly be ready Jan. 20 to assume the helm of our country?
-Chuck Norris
http://www.creators.com/opinion/chuck-norris/a-personality-profile-of-barack-obama-s-leadership.html
On cable news: Alquida calling for a pre-election attack (says they must continue to support mccain) in order to push America to vote for mccain and finish exhausting America’s wealth!