John McCain’s campaign has been attacking Barack Obama about his ties to former 1960s radical William Ayers. But columnist George Will noted that these charges come as “many millions of American households are gingerly opening envelopes containing reports of the third-quarter losses in their 401(k) and other retirement accounts – telling each household its portion of the nearly $2 trillion that Americans’ accounts have recently shed.”
“In this context,” Will wrote, “the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempt to get Americans to focus on Obama’s Chicago associations seems surreal.”
And desperate.
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Why don’t you just change the name of the blog to the Wichita Eagle Editorial Official Obama Campaign Headquarters BrownLib?
You have yet to put anything forward that is positive on the McCain/Palin campaign and that’s a fact.
The current melt-down of the U.S. and, indeed, the international economy can’t be tied to either McCain or Obama. Or even specifically to either political party. In my opinion, its due to the continued growth of the U.S. deficit and debt and to irresponsible corporate CEO’s.
The real question should be, which candidates for president, and the U.S. Senate, and Congress can work together to find a solution.
These are very dangerous times for everyone.
Here is your opportunity to present all the great, positive news coming out of the McCain/Palin campaign in the past couple of weeks…
Oh, here’s one:
McCain slapped down the fear-mongers who insist Senator Obama is a danger:
“[Obama]’s a decent, family man, [a] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign is all about.”
a “decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States.”
“If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.” “I just mean to say you have to be respectful” -John McCain Oct 10, 2008
When the crowd began to boo, McCain told them “No, no. I want everyone to be respectful.”
Campaign Videos
Hillary Clinton Rips on Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQadAAlK9c4
Obama’s Patriotism Problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E0ycYEGtqU
Campaign Videos
Obama’s Awful High Tax Policies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4enveZjRgRc
Obama’s Wrong Values
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2iZ1pD2G4
Campaign Videos
Obama’s Liberal Policies are WRONG!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgpsmf7YCLM
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Regular
Posted October 12, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink
Why don’t you just change the name of the blog to the Wichita Eagle Editorial Official Obama Campaign Headquarters BrownLib?
You have yet to put anything forward that is positive on the McCain/Palin campaign and that’s a fact.
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Gee Reg, maybe because there’s nothing “positive” coming out of the McCain/Palin campaign. They know they’re losing, so all that’s coming out of their campaign is mud-slinging.
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Regular
Posted October 12, 2008 at 7:06 am | Permalink
Campaign Videos
Obama’s Liberal Policies are WRONG!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgpsmf7YCLM
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You’re getting shrill.
JWink
Posted October 12, 2008 at 6:43 am | Permalink
The current melt-down of the U.S. and, indeed, the international economy can’t be tied to either McCain or Obama. Or even specifically to either political party. In my opinion, its due to the continued growth of the U.S. deficit and debt and to irresponsible corporate CEO’s.
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Sorry JWink, but the American people see it differently. The American people blame republicans for this current financial crisis by a margin of 2 to 1. republicans caused it; republicans own it.
And let’s not forget the $10 billion a month we’re spending that we don’t have for a war we didn’t need. That spending alone was enough to eventually crater our economy.
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Regular
Posted October 12, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink
Why don’t you just change the name of the blog to the Wichita Eagle Editorial Official Obama Campaign Headquarters BrownLib?
You have yet to put anything forward that is positive on the McCain/Palin campaign and that’s a fact.
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Why not change the title of the blog to, “Regular says there is nothing good under any circumstances to say about Obama” blog.
Oct. 6 (Bloomberg) — Democrat Barack Obama leads Republican presidential nominee John McCain in battleground states of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Minnesota, according to new polls.
Obama, an Illinois senator, leads 49 percent to 42 percent among Ohio voters, according to a Columbus Dispatch poll of 2,262 likely voters released yesterday.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aM6wSrKwniy4&refer=home
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Bye Bye Mccain/Palin
Ok, the challege is on you repubs. Post all of those great positives for mccain and palin, but don’t mention Moose dresser, POW, Maverick, Energy Expert, post something real and significant that isn’t terribly redundant and has some basis in reality.
Looks like a good old fashioned landslide, or if you prefer avalanche. Kansas needs to get on the bandwagon and not get left out in the cold.
“The 263 pages of the report show a co-ordinated application of pressure on Monegan so transparent and ham-handed that it was almost certain to end in public embarrassment for the governor. The only surprise is that Troopergate is national news, not just a sorry piece of political gristle to be chewed on by Alaska politicos over steaks at Anchorage’s Club Paris.
A harsh verdict? Consider the report’s findings. Not only did people at almost every level of the Palin administration engage in repeated inappropriate contact with Walt Monegan and other high-ranking officials at the Department of Public Safety, but Monegan and his peers constantly warned these Palin disciples that the contact was inappropriate and probably unlawful. Still, the emails and calls continued — in at least one instance on recorded state trooper phone lines.”
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1849399,00.html
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Another HUGE reason that McCain’s punches aren’t connecting is that you have to be hopelessly partisan if you’re unable to see that at least half the ticket, Palin, is very likely just exactly like George W Bush when it comes to governing style.
Inept? Check (eg, she knew that the way she was handling the Wooten firing was breaking state ethics laws, AND SHE DID IT ANYWAY).
Vindictive? Check.
Cronyism? Check.
Really, if you’re an independent voter with 2 brain cells to rub together, you can’t help but read about Palin and think “my god that woman is George W Bush in high heels.”
“Another amateurish sign: Todd Palin’s outsize role in the mess. Branchflower said it was out of his jurisdiction to pass judgment on the First Gentleman, but his report paints an extralegal role for Todd Palin that would have made the Hillary Clinton of 1992 blush. In the report, the head of Gov. Palin’s security detail says that Todd spent about half of his time in the governor’s office — not at a desk (he didn’t have one), but at a long conference table on one side of the office, with his own phone to make and receive calls. It became a shadow office, the informal Department of Getting Mike Wooten Fired.
It was at that long table that Todd Palin first scheduled a meeting with Walt Monegan, days after his wife’s administration began. He showed Monegan three huge binders of evidence against Wooten, including a picture of a dead moose that had been shot illegally. After Monegan came back saying that there was no new actionable information, Todd began a very visible campaign of stewing and fuming, trying to get access to personnel files, calling up and down the Public Safety org chart.”
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1849399-2,00.html
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Good lord. If Sarah Palin ever becomes president, then you’ll know we Americans have created and inhabited our own little corner of hell.
Would Todd be the first Shadow V.P. in history? Ya, know the constitution give alot of flexibility to the v.p. branch.
I think Todd Palin would make Monica Goodling look like a piker.
I’m not even sure these two are fit for Alaska, and I know they aren’t fit for the nation.
“Good lord. If Sarah Palin ever becomes president, then you’ll know we Americans have created and inhabited our own little corner of hell.”
Indeed Pedant….Behold our future with Sarah P.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-emQAsGMeQ
Let’s don’t forget Obama the Messiah Acorn ties. Another article of voter fraud. Must be something about the dems everytime there is an election their fraud tactics are involved.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10122008/news/politics/7_yr__old_gets_an_acorn_vote_133207.htm
Good grief, I bet McCain the old warrior hara kiris himself on Nov. 7, right after strangling Steve Schmidt the night of the 6th for talking him into picking Palin.
george
The Republican Party really shouldn’t be “pointing fingers” when it comes to election fraud and voter suppression.
Get used to saying “President Obama”.
Gauntlet has been thrown, can’t even hear the crickets chirping.
reggie,
“You have yet to put anything forward that is positive on the McCain/Palin campaign and that’s a fact.”
Have you considered the possibility that try as they might, nobody has found anything that is both positive and true on the McCain/Palin campaign?
Will MSM Report on Louis Farrakhan Declaration of Obama as the Messiah?
By P.J. Gladnick
October 9, 2008 – 15:52 ET
Imagine the excitement of the mainstream media if they had discovered that some preacher up in Alaska had declared Sarah Palin to be like a deity? Well, the same basic thing happened when the Supreme Minister of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, declared Barack Obama to be a messiah as you can see in this video. I believe this messianic pronouncement by Farrakhan was made last February but the video was uploaded to YouTube just yesterday. Better save this video before it gets scrubbed by the Thought Police. I don’t know which is creepier, the pronouncement of Obama as messiah by Farrakhan or that strange cultish smile on his face. Here is the transcript of Farrakhan’s annunciation of the Messiah of the Chicago Machine:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/09/will-msm-report-louis-farrakhan-declaration-obama-messiah
Louis Farrakhan :
“You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.”
george
Posted October 12, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink
Let’s don’t forget Obama the Messiah Acorn ties. Another article of voter fraud. Must be something about the dems everytime there is an election their fraud tactics are involved.
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Another shrill republican.
That dog won’t hunt, george. republicans complaining about voter fraud? Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.
Write something positive about palin/mccain, hey, they’re just journalist, not miracle workers!
Remember donate to ACORN
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=2584
It’s obvious the repubs can’t even write anything positive, so they fall back on mccain/palin slander and negativity.
Up and Down the Learning Curve
The New York Times Opinion Section
Published: October 11, 2008
“Mr. Obama also keeps moving up the learning curve on energy issues, whereas Mr. McCain seems to regress. This is important because energy problems are varied and complex, and solving them will require leaders with restless curiosity and an open mind.
Not too long ago, Mr. Obama seemed infatuated with the environmentally risky idea of converting coal to gasoline. He dropped it when scientists pointed out that unless ways could be found to capture the carbon emissions, the conversion process would add to global warming. As recently as two months ago, Mr. Obama was pandering to voters with short-term fixes for gas prices like tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12sun1.html?hp
Great profiles of both candidates in today’s paper. Funny how McCain supporters want to focus on Obama’s supposed connection to a 60s radical, while ignoring the fact that McCain cheated on his disabled wife, whored around with strippers, graduated at the bottom of his class, and was a basic jerk for most of his life.
It’s clear when looking at the background of both men who is CLEARLY more qualified to lead the country.
And what I don’t get is why don’t Christians support the man who obviously has better values?
If Obama lead the sinful life McCain embraced, they’d be yelling from the rooftops about it.
Obama is in favor of coal plants as long as they are not a threat to the environment. He has also approved of off shore and domestic drilling until we can develop alternative energy sources.
There is nothing wrong with exploring all alternatives that are workable, which is what Obama wants to do.
ProfPhineasPotter
Posted October 12, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink
Up and Down the Learning Curve
The New York Times Opinion Section
Published: October 11, 2008
“Mr. Obama also keeps moving up the learning curve on energy issues, whereas Mr. McCain seems to regress. This is important because energy problems are varied and complex, and solving them will require leaders with restless curiosity and an open mind.
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That’s why I find Obama increasingly impressive. This guy is smart, smart, smart. He’s got gears that most people lack.
I like John McCain, but he ain’t got those gears.
And we Americans need brainpower, above all, in the decision maker position, ie final arbiter of Exec policy.
Obama is showing early signs of greatness, folks.
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Yesterday I illustrated why your claim that McCain caused the fire on the Forrestal was a crock of schitt.
You responded with blahhhblabhabhhhaaablahhh.
Was that an admission that you don’t know what you’re talking about or an admission that you lied?
Let’s see…do I vote for someone who graduated from a Naval academy at the bottom of his class..or someone who graduated from Havard at the top of his class?
Do I vote for someone who cheated on his disabled wife who faithfully waited for him while he was a POW…or someone who takes his wedding vows seriously?
Do I vote for someone who has temper tantrums and is known for being a jerk with no diplomacy skills…or someone who knows how to bring people together in a common purpose and get things done?
Even if all one does is focus on the character of each candidtate and not the issues…the choice seems pretty clear.
Character matters! Intelligence matters. Vitality matters. Mccain’s dead in the water.
Mr. Obama also keeps moving up the learning curve on energy issues, whereas Mr. McCain seems to regress. This is important because energy problems are varied and complex, and solving them will require leaders with restless curiosity and an open mind.
It’ll be refreshing to have someone that can reaize a mistake before it’s made (of course even then bush won’t take the final step and admit he was wrong).
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 12, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink
Let’s see…do I vote for someone who graduated from a Naval academy at the bottom of his class..or someone who graduated from Havard at the top of his class?
Do I vote for someone who cheated on his disabled wife who faithfully waited for him while he was a POW…or someone who takes his wedding vows seriously?
Do I vote for someone who has temper tantrums and is known for being a jerk with no diplomacy skills…or someone who knows how to bring people together in a common purpose and get things done?
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Mary, do we vote for someone who made propaganda statements against their country in a time of war and was considered by his fellow prisoners as a collaborator?
Another thing is that Obama has dignity and integrity to spare, two things the presidency has sorely lacked as of late.
Article V of the Code of Conduct is very specific in declaring that U.S. military personnel are required to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies or harmful to their cause. Any violation of this code is considered collaborating with the enemy.
” McCain was on Vietnamese radio so often he was tagged as “the PW Songbird”
To all of the users of the old “Guilt by Association” propaganda technique, Why aren’t you whining about Palin attending and supporting an organization that wants to destroy the US?
The Alaska Independence Party supports destroying the US as we know it by taking Alaska and it’s resources away from the US. The original leader of the group was killed awhile back in a deal to sell plastic explosives that went badly.
Sarah Palin spoke at their convention RECENTLY.
Now, I don’t believe Palin wants to destroy the US anymore than I believe Barak Obama wants to. But if you are so ignorant as to fall for and even worse, use, guilt by association, to attack Obama, then you better look at Sarah Palin’s activities and explain why that association is OK?
Is she a radical wingnut? Hmmmmm.
Addressing ‘Regular’, the first poster on this subject. I challenge you to present something Positive about the McCain/Palin campaign. Please refrain from spin, just present something, anything, positive, coming from the McCain campaign.
“You have yet to put anything forward that is positive on the McCain/Palin campaign and that’s a fact.”
What do you want them to do? Make stuff up? There IS nothing positive about the McCain/Palin campaign. Well, not for rational people anyway.
Oh…sorry.
Regular
Posted October 12, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink
Why don’t you just change the name of the blog to the Wichita Eagle Editorial Official Obama Campaign Headquarters BrownLib?
You have yet to put anything forward that is positive on the McCain/Palin campaign and that’s a fact.
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Well when McCain/Palin have someting positive, let the rest of us know.
And, please, no Republican/Rush talking points count.
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 12, 2008 at 9:17 am | Permalink
“Let’s see…do I vote for someone who graduated from a Naval academy at the bottom of his class..or someone who graduated from Havard at the top of his class?”
Graduating at the bottom of a class in any one of the military acadameys is a great accomplishment. Just getting in is an accomplishment.
“Do I vote for someone who cheated on his disabled wife who faithfully waited for him while he was a POW…or someone who takes his wedding vows seriously?”
Did you have this same problem voting for Clinton?
“Do I vote for someone who has temper tantrums and is known for being a jerk with no diplomacy skills…or someone who knows how to bring people together in a common purpose and get things done?”
Other than ACORN who has Obama brought together? McCain has crossed the aisle on many documented ocassions and sponsored bills that were bipartisan. Obama has no such bills. In facts he has no bills at all. In his senate career as a state and then national senator what bills has he written?
“Even if all one does is focus on the character of each candidtate and not the issues…the choice seems pretty clear.”
McCain doesn’t get his financial advise from the failed leaders of the fannie and freddie debacles. That is enough for me. McCain doesn’t think that raising taxes in an economic downturn will stimulate job growth. McCain doesn’t think that taxing small business out of existence will stimulate job growth.
Obama has no record. His ‘plans’ are predicated on tactics that have failed. His associations show us his judgement is seriously flawed and has been going back to his youth when his most important mentor according to his book was Frank Marshall Davis. Look him up and see who mentored him for years. It was just a natural progression to go to Ayers, Wright and Farrakhan.
For those too lazy to do it themselves:
‘Frank Marshall Davis (December 31, 1905, Arkansas City, Kansas; July 26, 1987, Honolulu, Hawaii) was an American journalist, poet and political and labor movement activist. He was widely known to be a member of the Communist Party USA[1] and was investigated for his links with the Communist Party USA in the United States.[2]‘
From WIKI
Really, I thought McCain’s move to tone down his crowds was pretty damned noble. If he were as we portray him, he would not have done that.
c0smos
Posted October 12, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink
Will MSM Report on Louis Farrakhan Declaration of Obama as the Messiah?
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Why should they? Farrakhan is a fringe dweller. Is it necessary to make front page news over every fringe dwellers nonsense? Why, then, isn’t MSN making waves over Sarah’s witch ritual by some fruitcake African witch hunter?
You suppose it was a calculated set up so that McCain could appear sane? I wouldn’t put it past him.
There was a lot of civil disobedience in the later 60’s and 70’s. We learned the government was lying to us and our friends were dying. We wanted to hear the truth and rules and laws protected the establishment from being forthright. It was the journalists that allowed the country to see that a change was needed. Many lives were saved by rule breakers protesting our country’s actions.
Apparently McCain’s attempt to blame the entire economic meltdown on the poor is being revealed as being bogus:
“Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis
By David Goldstein and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — As the economy worsens and Election Day approaches, a conservative campaign that blames the global financial crisis on a government push to make housing more affordable to lower-class Americans has taken off on talk radio and e-mail.
Commentators say that’s what triggered the stock market meltdown and the freeze on credit. They’ve specifically targeted the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the federal government seized on Sept. 6, contending that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie’s and Freddie’s financial problems.
Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren’t true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.
Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height vrom 2004 to 2006.
Federal Reserve Board data show that:
_ More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.
_ Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.
_ Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that’s being lambasted by conservative critics.
The “turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007,” the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets reported Friday.
Conservative critics claim that the Clinton administration pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make home ownership more available to riskier borrowers with little concern for their ability to pay the mortgages.
“I don’t remember a clarion call that said Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster,” said Neil Cavuto of Fox News.
Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don’t lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.
It’s a process called securitization, and by passing on the loans, banks have more capital on hand so they can lend even more.
This much is true. In an effort to promote affordable home ownership for minorities and rural whites, the Department of Housing and Urban Development set targets for Fannie and Freddie in 1992 to purchase low-income loans for sale into the secondary market that eventually reached this number: 52 percent of loans given to low-to moderate-income families.
To be sure, encouraging lower-income Americans to become homeowners gave unsophisticated borrowers and unscrupulous lenders and mortgage brokers more chances to turn dreams of homeownership in nightmares.
But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006, Republicans and their party’s standard bearer, President Bush, didn’t criticize any sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever rates of U.S. homeownership.
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.
During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.
In 1999, the year many critics charge that the Clinton administration pressured Fannie and Freddie, the private sector sold into the secondary market just 18 percent of all mortgages.
Fueled by low interest rates and cheap credit, home prices between 2001 and 2007 galloped beyond anything ever seen, and that fueled demand for mortgage-backed securities, the technical term for mortgages that are sold to a company, usually an investment bank, which then pools and sells them into the secondary mortgage market.
About 70 percent of all U.S. mortgages are in this secondary mortgage market, according to the Federal Reserve.
Conservative critics also blame the subprime lending mess on the Community Reinvestment Act, a 31-year-old law aimed at freeing credit for underserved neighborhoods.
Congress created the CRA in 1977 to reverse years of redlining and other restrictive banking practices that locked the poor, and especially minorities, out of homeownership and the tax breaks and wealth creation it affords. The CRA requires federally regulated and insured financial institutions to show that they’re lending and investing in their communities.
Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote recently that while the goal of the CRA was admirable, “it led to tremendous pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — who in turn pressured banks and other lenders — to extend mortgages to people who were borrowing over their heads. That’s called subprime lending. It lies at the root of our current calamity.”
Fannie and Freddie, however, didn’t pressure lenders to sell them more loans; they struggled to keep pace with their private sector competitors. In fact, their regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, imposed new restrictions in 2006 that led to Fannie and Freddie losing even more market share in the booming subprime market.
What’s more, only commercial banks and thrifts must follow CRA rules. The investment banks don’t, nor did the now-bankrupt non-bank lenders such as New Century Financial Corp. and Ameriquest that underwrote most of the subprime loans.
These private non-bank lenders enjoyed a regulatory gap, allowing them to be regulated by 50 different state banking supervisors instead of the federal government. And mortgage brokers, who also weren’t subject to federal regulation or the CRA, originated most of the subprime loans.
In a speech last March, Janet Yellen, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, debunked the notion that the push for affordable housing created today’s problems.
“Most of the loans made by depository institutions examined under the CRA have not been higher-priced loans,” she said. “The CRA has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households.”
In a book on the sub-prime lending collapse published in June 2007, the late Federal Reserve Governor Ed Gramlich wrote that only one-third of all CRA loans had interest rates high enough to be considered sub-prime and that to the pleasant surprise of commercial banks there were low default rates. Banks that participated in CRA lending had found, he wrote, “that this new lending is good business.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/53802.html
okobserver
Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:02 am | Permalink
Obama has no record. His ‘plans’ are predicated on tactics that have failed. His associations show us his judgement is seriously flawed and has been going back to his youth when his most important mentor according to his book was Frank Marshall Davis. Look him up and see who mentored him for years.
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I call BS.
Challenge: show us where Obama ever said this guy was his “most important mentor.” Note the quote from your Wiki source below.
Have you read Obama’s book? If not, then why would you lead us to believe you have?
How could Davis have mentored Obama for “years” given what Obama writes in your Wiki source (below).
As Obama remembered, “It made me smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith, living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created.”[14]
This is pathetic.
McCain/Palin supporters are challenged directly above to show us one positive thing about the ticket, and all they can come up with are bogus smears.
Granny, your old yellow dog Democrat slip is showing on that one.
Ben what your article doesn’t say is that it wasn’t the percentage of the interest that sank these mortgages. It was the fact that many of these didn’t have the income sufficient to keep up the payments. That made them substandard loans. The left has ignored every post on here that points out how the right tried to staunch the flow of money to those unable to pay. This movement was led by none other than John McCain. Barney Frank, Maxine Watters and others argued that these institutions were healthy so nothing was done. We are suffering the aftereffects now.
Why does the left just ignore the evidence that is out there? Is it because your candidate is so weak that he couldn’t survive this type of scrutiny? I see supposedly smart people writing daily in complete ignorance of the history that brought us to where we are. Is this willfull ignorance or do the dems really not see what did and is happening? Where are the congressional hearings on this? Heads should row for their involvement in this coverup beginning with Dodd, Franks and Watters.
Pedant I have heard him refer to Frank a mentor of his in Hawaii. Why are you so defensive? I still say he has been surrounded by socialist types his entire life. It has formed his thoughts and behaviors. We can hear this in his rhetoric.
Why so defensive. The man was important in his life. Have you read the book?
okobserver
Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
Ben what your article doesn’t say is that it wasn’t the percentage of the interest that sank these mortgages. It was the fact that many of these didn’t have the income sufficient to keep up the payments.
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Did Fannie or Freddie write the mortgages?
Heh Pedant. Grmie has a thing about not reading books, and then acting like she has.
It’s the Cliff Notes version of political science.
okobserver
Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink
Why are you so defensive?
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Because recent history has shown us that lies such as yours must be shown for what they are as soon as possible.
And ya know what I think is REALLY sad? Grmie said, during the Democratic Primary obamalovefest in Kansas, she said SHE would vote for obama.
But that’s not the sad part. We expect deception from grmie. It’s the kansas democrats who believed her.
How’s that workin’ for y’all in Kansas?
Barack Obama, Sept 7, on Meet the Press:
As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want
to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said. ‘There are a lot of people in the world
to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression.
–so, he won’t ‘take sides’ on behalf of the United States.
“I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the
World To Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it”
–instead of our National Anthem. What is next, cum bay ya?
“My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago”
He admits burning the United States flag–an act of total and complete disrespect of this country
Obama holds the lead and NOW the Clintons are going to campaign and fundraise for him. Look out Republicans, the race is just now beginning.
WASHINGTON – When Bill and Hillary Clinton take the stage Sunday at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania, it will be the launch of an active campaign for their former nemesis Barack Obama in the home stretch of the 2008 presidential race.
The nation’s best known and most powerful Democrats for nearly two decades, the former first couple is getting used to a new role: cheerleaders for Obama, who vanquished Hillary Clinton last spring in a Democratic primary contest for the ages.
Whatever recriminations the Clintons may still harbor from that long battle seem to have been nudged aside as they campaign in earnest for the Democratic ticket.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081012/ap_on_el_pr/clintons_obama
Again, yall have shown us over and over that you don’t like Obama. We get that part. He’s a traitor, a terrorist, a Manchurian Muslim, a closet commie, etc. Yawn. Yeah.
Now show us something POSITIVE about McCain/Palin?
Here’s how it works.
I’ll go first. Obama is showing early signs of greatness. It’s great, great, GREAT news for the USA!
Your turn.
“The left has ignored every post on here that points out how the right tried to staunch the flow of money to those unable to pay.”
We don’t ignore – we don’t believe it. Not to the extent you claim. After all, just how did a marginalized minority party prevent the President and HIS GOP CONGRESS from acting?
The RIGHT has ignored every post on here that points out that the Republics controlled BOTH the White House AND the Congress for the six years during which all of this brewed.
Farmie unlike you I will speak directly to you. That is what I do. I wouldn’t say anything behind your back I wouldn’t say to your face.
I read many books and you have no idea what they are. As for your Tommy F book. No I didn’t read it. The man is a far left radical in his thinking. Why would I read something that is so radical?
As for you reading books that don’t match your ideological beliefs. Name me one? I’m waiting.
I said Obama has always picked his advisors from the far left side of the spectrum. His votes in the senate, what few there are, are far left. His wife is far left. Until Obama ran she didn’t see anything in this country to be proud of. Is this what we want in the White House?
As for saying I would vote for Obama. I actually did say and mean that at the time. He presents a very good picture until you get to know the man. His socialist tendencies are too extreme for me.
But yet the Republicans still do not acknowledge that it was their party that had total control of the White House and Congress from 2000 to 2006. This was the time period when the housing bubble was exploding and then finally busted. Couple that with the all the deregulation that Phil Gramm and John McCain pushed for banks and Wall Street, is it any wonder everything came crashing down?
Just ask the majority of American voters who they blame for this economic crisis and they will say Republicans.
“When Bill and Hillary Clinton take the stage Sunday at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania,”
GREAT NEWS! Let’s ‘unleash’ the Clinton’s throughout the ‘rust belt’ to savage McCain and the Republics. Not juts for Obama/Biden but also on down the ticket.
““The left has ignored every post on here that points out how the right tried to staunch the flow of money to those unable to pay.”
You can only chew your tobacco so many times before it loses its flavor. Been there, done that, time to move on.
In other words, germie has no intention of defending what she wrote about Obama.
Instead she’ll stand for being called a liar. To her face. By me.
Things must be really tough in the McCain camp these days, that’s all I can say.
Ben you are an intelligent man. Have you listened to the taped hearings? Have you actually read the history of ACORN and similar groups? Have you seen the faces behind the meltdown? Raines, Mudd, Moses, Johnson, Dodd, Franks, Watters, and on and on and on.
I won’t belabor the point but I will say that it will come back to haunt the left who are blindly following Obama into the abyss he is leading the country into. History not acknowledged will be repeated.
“, the former first couple is getting used to a new role: cheerleaders for Obama, who vanquished Hillary Clinton last spring in a Democratic primary contest for the ages.”
You wanna dial that back there “mxyzptlk”?
I aint voting so much for Obama as I am against Palin. I have choices other than Obama for that.
Clintons should do a whirlwind tour for dem senators in every state, clean the repubs plow.
Pedant why would I defend the truth. The fact that you think it isn’t the truth doesn’t change the facts. I could post time after time this man has been described as being Obama’s mentor for 9 years. That is a long time for a young impressionable boy. Then he moved on to Alyski and Wright and Ayers and others who shared the same far left ideology.
Just because you and I don’t agree doesn’t make me a liar.
If the Clintons were THAT powerful, wouldn’t Hillary be the candidate?
okobserver
Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
Pedant why would I defend the truth.
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If nobody’s told you yet why the truth needs defense, then it’s probably a lesson you can close the book on.
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I could post time after time this man has been described as being Obama’s mentor for 9 years. That is a long time for a young impressionable boy.
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Show me 3.
YES OKOB< I HAVE been listening. And I have been familiar with ACORN a lot longer than most – for decades. They have a LOT of warts. I am also familiar with Charled Keating. Aren’t you?
There has been a news item about the Cook County Sherriff refusing to evict TENANTS in foreclosed properties. The OWNERS have both refused to pay their mortgages OR to notify theor rent-paying tenants about the situation. Meanwhile the DEADBEAT owners continue to pocket the rent.
Try blaming THAT on ACORN!
Pedant you would learn much more by doing the research yourself. Use the google tool bar and search engine. Why would I waste the time it would take me so you could come back with another ‘challenge’ for me until I said ‘enough’ and left you to your own devices.
The left is going to get the prez they want and deserve. Translate that however you would like.
And Mom the fact that the public seems to think the economy is a republican problem was propogated by the MSM, the lefts best friend. I will say by the next election cycle the public will be ready for another Contract With America. I’ll go on record with that prediction.
“I will say by the next election cycle the public will be ready for another Contract With America.”
If that’s true, do ya think toddly will actually walk his talk this time on term limits?
IOKIYAAR
See, okobserver’s reaction is at the HEART of why McCain’s punches are ineffective.
It’s because at the heart of all these wild accusations is nothing but bullsh*t. It’s all manufactured BS designed to win an election, and nothing more than that.
If you challenge a McCain supporter to back up their talk with some facts, they run and hide. Your campaign does that often enough, and guess what. You and the little boy who cried wolf are in the very same boat.
“I won’t belabor the point but I will say that it will come back to haunt the left who are blindly following Obama into the abyss he is leading the country into.”
Heheheheheh!
Unlike the abyss bushco and the republican congress led us into?
Heheheh. HAHAHAHAHHHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!
“But yet the Republicans still do not acknowledge that it was their party that had total control of the White House and Congress from 2000 to 2006. This was the time period when the housing bubble was exploding and then finally busted.”
Yeah well, dont forget, that was also the time frame when the “tech” bubble burst too.
Republicans. Busting economic bubbles since 2000!
You all must be so proud…
“As for you reading books that don’t match your ideological beliefs. Name me one? I’m waiting.”
Does the bible count?
Heheheh. And grmie, the point isnt reading books that dont match your world view.
The point is acting like you read a book, when you didnt. The point is whining about what a book says, when you havent even read it.
But you’re too stupid to get the point? Or maybe too dishonest?
Still waiting for you to answer Pedant and “name three”.
(Crickets chirping)
Tell me, are you that dumb? Or that big a liar?
Or…jesus wept… BOTH?
I don’t know farmie but I do think it is time we take some very serious looks at all of the congressmen and senators that have been in for long periods of time.
While I once was for term limits unless they are mandated by law and not by a few principled men and women it won’t happen. If Todd lost his senority and the dems didnt do the same thing then the right would be handing over the reins to the left unfettered. Same if the left resigned and left the right in control.
I hold no delusions that all of the bad guys are on the right or left.
McCain/Palin supporters: willing to make crap up — whole cloth, out of nothing more than the blackness and fear in their own hearts — about Obama, but not willing to make even one hopeful prediction for the USA if their ticket wins.
Geez, kob girl meltdown much? Time for your side to man up and take responsibility for past actions. Nobody buys the ACORN CRA fantasties that have been cooked up in your wingnut think tanks. So Sorry.
If the bush economic crisis had been in effect during the campaign,Hillary very well might have been the candidate, as her husband ruled over one of the most prosperous two terms in recent memory.
Bill’s backing will carry a lot of weight, in the current economic crisis.
I am Barack Hussein Obama and I APPROVE of this message, and have voted this way at every opportunity I have had.
Criminals For Gun Control Video Clip: Part I
http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/10/04/criminals-for-gun-control-video-clip-part-1/
Criminals For Gun Control Video Clip: Part 2
http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/10/05/criminals-for-gun-control-video-clip-part-2/
Farmie are you so insecure in your life and positions that you have to retort to name calling in a sensible conversation?
There are very few people on the left I can respect at this point. My all time favorite demo was Truman. He was the first to push for civil rights. He also laid most of the groundwork for advances in education and healthcare. He took a bad rap for the ‘big bomb’ I think. Read the book ‘Truman’ it is very good and says alot about his war strategies.
Since then with the exception of LBJ who pushed for civil right equalities and passed them with the help of the republicans and JFK who I have read about extensively, I don’t see many redeeming qualities in todays demo party.
JFK was a man ahead of his time. He was right on taxes. Right on civil rights. He did however cheat on his wife as Mary points out about McCain so maybe I should count that against him.
Some day we should compare books we have actually read and what we took from them. Maybe have our own on line book club.
Pedant I have told you I won’t compare links with you for obvious reasons. Read the Obama Nation. Those references are well sourced.
annie_moose
Posted October 12, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink
Geez, kob girl meltdown much? Time for your side to man up and take responsibility for past actions. Nobody buys the ACORN CRA fantasties that have been cooked up in your wingnut think tanks. So Sorry.
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Annie nothing is funnier to me that the left making huge blanket statements ‘nobody buys the ACORN CRA fantasties’. There are federal convictions, inditements, investigations, and many other things concerning ACORN and you say ‘nobody’ buys it.
What is the name of the fantasy world you live in? This makes the left look especially stupid when you say things like that.
ksfarmgrrl Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:56 am |
“As for you reading books that don’t match your ideological beliefs. Name me one? I’m waiting.”
“Does the bible count?”
“Throw this useless servant into the outer darkness! In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’”
Matthew 25:30
okobserver
Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink
Farmie unlike you I will speak directly to you. That is what I do. I wouldn’t say anything behind your back I wouldn’t say to your face.
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What is it about republicans that make them think that banging something out on a keyboard is “saying it to your face”?
How many convictions and guilty pleas? Please.
They ran a nonpartisan voter registration drive resulting more than 1.3 million new voters registered in 21 states.
How many convictions?
Accusations and investigations are just investigations and accusations.
How many convictions?
What is the name of the fantasy world you live in? This makes the left look especially stupid when you say things like that.
kobgirl I live in Kansas the land of OZ
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/08/uselections2008.johnmccain
John McCain is heading to near-certain defeat in the presidential election because American voters no longer trust Republicans on the economy, a strategist for the party warned yesterday.
Steve Lombardo, who has worked on Republican campaigns since 1992 and advised McCain’s opponent, Mitt Romney, in the primaries, said it would take a major external event, such as a terrorist attack or a crippling error by Barack Obama, for McCain to make a comeback.
“Basically unless there is some external event the dynamics of this race are being driven almost entirely by the financial situation here in the United States and globally, and that works for Barack Obama,” Lombardo told the Guardian.
“If there isn’t some sort of event or, God forbid, a terrorist attack that moves the election on to foreign affairs or national security, it is unlikely that McCain can regain the lead, just because voters have decided that the base of the problems they face are the Republican party, George Bush, and, by extension, John McCain.”
Smears that McCain/Palin supporters can’t support so far:
1. Obama is not to be trusted because his grandfather introduced him to a Communist.
2. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the root causes of the mortgage crisis.
3. There are “federal convictions, inditements, investigations” re: ACORN.
I’m sure they’re willing to lose another handful of states if they can just get us all to read one or two more wild rumors and share their fear.
Any takers?
DavidB see my response to Annie. What part of the news do you listen to? Do you think the Dallas Cowboys went to Vegas and registered to vote. Do you believe that over 2000 people have the same name just different birthdates? Do you think that the YMCA in Phillie will house over 6000 people?
Enquiring minds want to know. Then there are the minds on the left!
Do you think the Dallas Cowboys went to Vegas and registered to vote. Do you believe that over 2000 people have the same name…….
Easy explanation there kgirl, Republican moles infiltrated ACORN added bogus forms at street level. See that was easy.
OOOOOOhhhhhhh boxy. Now I’m REALLY scared.
Did I mention the bible is a FICTION book?
Here’s a synposis of responses I’ve read other places. Bit of paraphrasing follows.
1. I can talk to a Communist because I’m mentally strong but Obama would fold like a cheap suit and turn Commie without even KNOWING it! YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME ON THIS.
2. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac never wrote a single mortgage (not one) but they had the support of Democrats! OBAMA’S A DEMOCRAT, YOU SEE THAT RIGHT? YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME ON THIS.
3. There have been reports of registration mistakes and it’s GOTTA BE ACORN! YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME ON THIS!
That about sums it up. You gotta admit it’s something less than damning. I guess it does approach being a testament to faith (you gotta believe me on this), but that’s about it.
And people honestly wonder why McCain’s punches aren’t connecting?
Guilt by association game, Ok then it was not some free lance organization that called me one night with a push poll in favor of Huckabee. It was Huckabee that called me! It was G.W. Bush that swift boated John McCain in 2000! Those whom support John McCain now and call for the death of Obama are receiving their orders from McCain. Guilt by association since they are in favor of the candidate even if the candidate does not support their actions or call for them. McCain said…….. Obama said……. now it is true that both have said something. So now you can just fill in the blanks and it will sound like that is what they said!
Boxlock and Bernadette Dohrn (before she reformed)
Same class/political hatred
“Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach! Wild!”
-Bernadette Dohrn
“I have decided there must be a slightly dark side to my idea of entertainment because I like to poke a stick at them every once in awhile and watch them squeal like the pigs they are.”
-Boxlock
Boxlock
Posted October 12, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink
Don’t fret mxyzptlk, I would never ’shove a fork into your stomach’.
You are so full of rotten gas I’d be afraid to do that.
But it interesting to see you squirm and squeal when you get figuratively poked a little.
Typical of small people.
SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE CHRISTIAN:}
Eleven is my count.
“Easy explanation there kgirl, Republican moles infiltrated ACORN added bogus forms at street level. See that was easy.
That explains multiple enries in same handwriting. Trying to discredit voter registration drive, when had them scared way back.
Sure Annie I’ll buy that mole story. Wink, wink. You just go on in that delusional world you inhabit. Do they let you have home visits on the weekends?
DavidB since numbers are important to you then you should take into account the lies from Obama’s people about their involvement with ACORN, the refusal by the demo Secretary of State refusing to allow the county election boards from verifying ACORN voters cards. The refusal by Congress to address the very real threat of voter fraud. Then those numbers don’t look so small.
Don’t tell me about the voter fraud on the right. We have had that one ad nauseum and it didn’t happen by the MSM own investigation. They would have loved to be able to say Bush stole the election. Think of the headlines!
ACORN is crooked as a dogs hind leg. Truth. The left is in denial. Thats ok. I can learn to say prez Obama. Can you learn to say ‘Mister can you spare a dime’?
Barney Frank Hit Over Boyfriend’s Fannie Mae Role
“Critics are crying “conflict of interest” over Democratic Rep. Barney Frank’s live-in relationship with Fannie Mae executive Herb Moses while Frank was on the House Banking Committee.
Moses was Fannie Mae’s assistant director for product initiatives from 1991 to 1998.
He was also openly gay Frank’s live-in boyfriend during that time, while the Massachusetts lawmaker was on the committee that had jurisdiction over government-sponsored Fannie Mae, Fox News’ Bill Sammon reported.
Now that Fannie Mae is at the center of the recent financial meltdown, the relationship is coming under increased scrutiny.
“It’s absolutely a conflict,” said Dan Gainor, vice president of the Business & Media Institute.
“He was voting on Fannie Mae at a time when he was involved with a Fannie Mae executive. How is that not germane?
“But everyone wants to avoid it because he’s gay. It’s the quintessential double standard.”
A top Republican House aide told Fox News: “He writes housing and banking laws and his boyfriend is a top exec at a firm that stands to gain from those laws? No media ever take note?”
Frank and Moses met in 1987 and lived together in Washington, D.C., until they split up in 1998.
National Mortgage News disclosed that Moses “helped develop many of Fannie Mae’s affordable housing and home improvement lending programs.”
Critics charge that such programs led to the mortgage meltdown and the recent government takeover of Fannie Mae, according to Fox News, which noted that Fannie Mae and its financial cousin Freddie Mac “are blamed for spreading bad mortgages throughout the private financial sector.”
In 1994, Frank thwarted efforts by President Clinton’s Department of Housing and Urban Development to impose new regulations on Fannie Mae.”
“SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE CHRISTIAN”
Christians don’t avoid the truth.
ACORN must have really wanted to get caught with the really obvious mistakes. Using the Dallas cowboys and such…..
George ya gotta it wrong again, evidenced by The Eagle picking up your story and reposting it.
First of all, the 401k fall and Financial Crisis are caused by the Democrats. (See the numerous articles cited by the posters here over the last month. eg. Barney Fannie In My Back Pocket Frank)
Second, Obama’s associations with terrorists, Iraqi millionaires, and other foreigners, tells you what sort of Radical Obama truly is. (Those Leftists on this blog love that fact, but they are NOT mainstream America.)
You know Eagle, if you are not going to:
1) Focus on Obama’s radical voting record (gun-bans, baby-killing bills, exteme Socialist spending).
2) Flip-flops on his promises made over the last two years (for drilling/against, for nuclear/against, for tax cuts/against, etc…).
3) Root cause of the current Financial Crisis.
THEN EAGLE, if you IGNORE THE FACTS, are UNABLE OR UNWILLING to INVESTIGATE THE FACTS, then -
THE EAGLE is nothing except for a PROPOGANDA MOUTHPIECE for the LEFTISTS like Obama, Ayers, Soros, and their ilk.
Annie stupid is as stupid does. These aren’t rocket scientists. They are criminals. They even had criminals running the Vegas office. And get this most of them had been convicted of ‘identy theft’. They got the experts in their fields.
This was released by the democrat in charge of the investigation. Not all dems are corrupt fortunately. Just those connected to the ‘One’.
Sorry a news story on irregular ballot submitted by ACORN, the stuff you’ve already heard, celebrity names, etc. And all signed but what was clearly the same person.
Think about that. One person, and not a very smart one at that.
Where is this huge conspiracy to commit voter fraud? Show me evidence that voter fraud actually took place somwhere. I haven’t seen it yet. Presumably that would involve vote-by-mail ballots, and would be pretty easy to show that, say, “Jack Andy Box” or “Jimmy Johns” voted during a previous election.
Where’s the beef?
And if McCain’s punches aren’t landing with the American People, it’s because the Mainstream Media is not reporting it.
AMERICAN PRESS – WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?
ABSOLUTELY NUTHIN.
And if McCain’s punches aren’t landing with the American People, it’s because the Mainstream Media is not reporting it.
No, it’s just with the economy in free-fall, people have a lower tolerance for total bullsh*it than usual.
ACORN is, in many ways, similar to Sunflower Action here in Wichita. They have their good; they have their bad sides. I questioned Sunflower’s actions at Kolb’s home – however who ELSE would stand up for the homeowners?
I have SEEN firsthand the problems in Chicago, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, etc that spawned ACORN. Yes, ACORN, with it’s tens of thousands or participants and zero central control, has been prone to excess. However, that does not negate the rest of what it as done in the communities from which it grew.
Unless you have seen firsthand these inner cities I seriously doubt you can understand the situation there.
And, as noted in the rport I posted above, CRA and ACORN dod NOT cause the economic meltdown. McCain can point at them all he wants – the literate American public ain’t buying his snake-oil this time.
Rage
Posted October 12, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
Sorry a news story on irregular ballot submitted by ACORN, the stuff you’ve already heard, celebrity names, etc. And all signed but what was clearly the same person.
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Pahleezee….
Acorn has been in the news both present and past in dozens of states for making up false names, submitting falsified ballots, registering dead people and other things.
Why would you defend an organization that is trying to subvert the voter registration system?
“Why would you defend an organization that is trying to subvert the voter registration system?”
Regular,
Because the integrity of the vote is of no importance to them. The end justifies the means.
They want to win if it brings down the country.
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Boxlock
Posted October 12, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
“Why would you defend an organization that is trying to subvert the voter registration system?”
Regular,
Because the integrity of the vote is of no importance to them. The end justifies the means.
They want to win if it brings down the country.
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Then they’ll have no objections at all if Chinese hackers crack into the voter system and manipulate the outcome to their pleasure.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/why-mccain-campaign-punches-arent-connecting/#comment-445538
Yup, Repubes infiltrated ACORN old tactic. FBI uses it even the NRA has done it nothing new here
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annie_moose
Posted October 12, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
Yup, Repubes infiltrated ACORN old tactic. FBI uses it even the NRA has done it nothing new here
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Give proof that the NRA has committed voter fraud in this campaign cycle and I’ll kick the cell door shut as they are thrown into it.
Boxlock
Posted October 12, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
“SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE CHRISTIAN”
Christians don’t avoid the truth.
By your own admission now, we know that you are NOT a Christian. Thanks for finally admitting it. : )
Reg,
I don’t need no stinking proof, we went to war with Iraq without any stinking proof.
All I need is a plausible argument. WMD’S anyone?
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Boxlock
Posted October 12, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
“Why would you defend an organization that is trying to subvert the voter registration system?”
Regular,
Because the integrity of the vote is of no importance to them. The end justifies the means.
They want to win if it brings down the country.
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What the right wing doesn’t understand is that EVERY registration card filled out must, by federal law, be turned in. That improperly filled out cards, cards turned in with the same signature on many of them, and cards carrying dead peoples names are getting caught and turned down. The system is working.
If ACORN is guilty of voter registration fraud, they should be punished. But the many reported instances of republican voter fraud needs to be dealt with the same way. I know this is difficult for some here to understand, but in this country, a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Live with it.
getting caught and turned down. The system is working.
getting caught and turned down shows the system is working.
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JMWalker
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
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Boxlock
Posted October 12, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
“Why would you defend an organization that is trying to subvert the voter registration system?”
Regular,
Because the integrity of the vote is of no importance to them. The end justifies the means.
They want to win if it brings down the country.
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What the right wing doesn’t understand is that EVERY registration card filled out must, by federal law, be turned in. That improperly filled out cards, cards turned in with the same signature on many of them, and cards carrying dead peoples names are getting caught and turned down. The system is working.
If ACORN is guilty of voter registration fraud, they should be punished. But the many reported instances of republican voter fraud needs to be dealt with the same way. I know this is difficult for some here to understand, but in this country, a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Live with it.
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Yeah whatever, I don’t care anymore.
Just let the sh%t happen, the hell with fair play.
Let’s not have any FBI investigations and just lay down, McCain withdraw from the election and let your Messiah win.
Then you can have your Hugo Chavez style election in peace.
“… the hell with fair play.”
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You guys don’t want fair play. That ain’t your goal here. You want the deck stacked against Obama, that’s what you want.
Get it through your heads: just because you hear a rumor that Obama’s a secret muslim/terrorist/traitor or is personally responsible for Wall Street’s collapse or is like the CEO of ACORN, it ain’t enough to demand it be treated as anything but the smear it so obviously is.
Bring some REAL EVIDENCE. Don’t make wild accusations. Do your freakin homework you bunch of toddlers.
Everybody remembers the Swift Boat attacks, and believe me nobody wants another round to result in Bush v3.0.
Reason #5,001,698 why McCain’s attacks aren’t connecting: they’re not rooted in fair play.
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Pedant
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink
“… the hell with fair play.”
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You guys don’t want fair play. That ain’t your goal here. You want the deck stacked against Obama, that’s what you want.
Get it through your heads: just because you hear a rumor that Obama’s a secret muslim/terrorist/traitor or is personally responsible for Wall Street’s collapse or is like the CEO of ACORN, it ain’t enough to demand it be treated as anything but the smear it so obviously is.
Bring some REAL EVIDENCE. Don’t make wild accusations. Do your freakin homework you bunch of toddlers.
Everybody remembers the Swift Boat attacks, and believe me nobody wants another round to result in Bush v3.0.
Reason #5,001,698 why McCain’s attacks aren’t connecting: they’re not rooted in fair play.
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Who cares? I don’t anymore.
This has turned into the lying blog.
‘The Power and The Story’
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,992801-8,00.html
“A presidential candidate is not supposed to tell you about the rules he broke or the strippers he dated, or the time he arrived so drunk that he fell through the screen door of the young lady he was wooing.
The candor tells you more than the content, and reporters sometimes just decide to take McCain off the record because they don’t want to see him flame out and burn up a great story.
Regular posted October 12, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Who cares? I don’t anymore.
This has turned into the lying blog.
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“Kansas values” Regular added a false, fictional last paragraph to his copy/paste post here, and he stole J M Walker’s nic.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232
Regular has zero credibility (and zero self-respect).
So, Regular, you can take your toys and go home. That will show em! ‘-)
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lindainks55
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
So, Regular, you can take your toys and go home. That will show em! ‘-)
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I can.
And these are not toys, but as a Democrat you don’t know the difference do you?
What I think is happening is that Obama is beating the Republicans at their own game – and they don’t like it!
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mom
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
What I think is happening is that Obama is beating the Republicans at their own game – and they don’t like it!
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Yeah, sure mom – that’s why the Democrats are the adults in this election right?
Lying, cheating and avoid answering questions honestly and with 100 percent discloser.
Yeah, adults…
disclosure….
Another thing about the Republicans is that they are still unwilling to admit that they have done this to themselves by allowing Bush and Cheney to run roughshod over everybody for the last 8 years.
Americans are tired of their BS and don’t even listen to Bush anymore. BTW, where is Cheney? I haven’t seen nor heard from him during this Wall Street mess. Is he in seclusion again?
And McCain has told 100% truths in his campaign? Yeah right.
McCain’s campaign is right about one thing -if they run on the issues, they are going to lose.
At least they can tell the truth sometimes.
“Kansas values” Regular also added two false, fictional paragraphs to his copy/paste post here,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/if-you-thought-the-campaign-was-negative-before/#comment-440996
The first 5 paragraphs were from,
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html
but these 2 paragraphs were NOT.
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Under the bill, ACORN would have…
I noticed that language … AWFUL was my reaction. …
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Regular just added some fictional garbage to his copy/paste, like he did with his New Orleans levee post.
The Wichita Eagle Blog — where Republicans, like “Kansas values” Regular, can easily spread their hateful LIES.
mom
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
What I think is happening is that Obama is beating the Republicans at their own game – and they don’t like it!
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Heh. Probably so.
One thing about Obama, though. This guy is proving to be amazing. He managed to defeat the Clinton machine, and without a break he appears to be whipping the GOP machine, too.
And he’s apparently still finding the time to somehow hold on while riding the steep as hell learning curve for energy policy. So he’s running a campaign 24/7 (with help obviously) while finding the time to read and learn (with help obviously). It ain’t no small feat.
And still the right wants to savage him over a lack of experience.
This guy is really, really, really good. He is really starting to look special.
Barack (Barrack): Fabled Jewish general who kicked the butts of the Caananites pretty good(judges ch. 4-5), so why would any Moslem name his kid after a Jewish hero? So much for the “Islamist connection” nitwits. However for the conspiracy nuts out there it does open the door to conclusive “proof” that Obama is a Jewish plant, inspired by the “Protocols of Elders of Zion”.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink
“Kansas values” Regular also added two false, fictional paragraphs to his copy/paste post here,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/if-you-thought-the-campaign-was-negative-before/#comment-440996
The first 5 paragraphs were from,
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html
but these 2 paragraphs were NOT.
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Under the bill, ACORN would have…
I noticed that language … AWFUL was my reaction. …
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Regular just added some fictional garbage to his copy/paste, like he did with his New Orleans levee post.
The Wichita Eagle Blog — where Republicans, like “Kansas values” Regular, can easily spread their hateful LIES.
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It was from a blog linked to the article.
Not my fault you keep lying about this.
Everyone knows that cosmos is a natural liar and will do anything to promote his cause, whatever that is.
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Regular
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
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What the right wing doesn’t understand is that EVERY registration card filled out must, by federal law, be turned in. That improperly filled out cards, cards turned in with the same signature on many of them, and cards carrying dead peoples names are getting caught and turned down. The system is working.
If ACORN is guilty of voter registration fraud, they should be punished. But the many reported instances of republican voter fraud needs to be dealt with the same way. I know this is difficult for some here to understand, but in this country, a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Live with it.
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Yeah whatever, I don’t care anymore.
Just let the sh%t happen, the hell with fair play.
Let’s not have any FBI investigations and just lay down, McCain withdraw from the election and let your Messiah win.
Then you can have your Hugo Chavez style election in peace.
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Well then, why waste our time by posting anything? After all, you found everybody guilty already. Why have any trials, if it comes to that; why even have an election, reg thinks we bought it already, so he doesn’t even have to vote anymore.
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Regular
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink
Yeah, sure mom – that’s why the Democrats are the adults in this election right?
Lying, cheating and avoid answering questions honestly and with 100 percent discloser.
Yeah, adults…
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Kinda sounds like McCain’s camp, doesn’t it. The lying, cheatin’ and avoiding answering questions part at least.
Slap, crap and nap time again, reg. Yer gettin’ cranky.
Why keep torturing yourself over the presidential race when it is obvious?
Obama has already won the race the moment that the Republican Party in its tenures has moved in the direction against majority favoritism.
Then there is the other well know American, war hero and a man of unparralled service to his nation. I wonder how he ever got a commission with the Arab name of Omar, as in Omar Bradley?
sursum — perhaps the Gen. was named after his Arab grandfather —- ROFL
And hey, sursum, Omar has three letters the same as Osama, and Obama…. you think there is some connection there?? LOL
And, hey, Obama’s middle name is the SAME name as the now deceased King of Jordan… the same King who used to come to Wichita to pick up his Lear Jets… King Hussein…
Maybe Obama is secretly related to the royalty of Jordan??
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sadly_mostly_true.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
From the second Fact Check link:
“McCain says in an Internet ad that the two ‘ran a radical ‘education’ foundation” in Chicago. But the supposedly ‘radical’ group was supported by a Republican governor and included on its board prominent local civic leaders, including one former Nixon administration official who has given $1,500 to McCain’s campaign this year. Education Week says the group’s work “reflected mainstream thinking” among school reformers. The group was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, started by a $49 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, which was established by the publisher Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican whose widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign.
“(FactCheck.org, which is nonpartisan, also receives funding from the Annenberg Foundation. But we are in no way connected to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which finished its work long before we came into being in late 2003.)”
“Kansas values” Regular posted October 12, 2008 at 1:48 pm
It was from a blog linked to the article.
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You copy/pasted comment # 40, from here?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2091931/posts
Freepers is NOT a credible source.
“The group was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, started by a $49 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, which was established by the publisher Walter Annenberg, a prominent Republican whose widow, Leonore, is a contributor to the McCain campaign.”
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The late Walter Annenberg and a former domestic terrorist were “friends”.
Geez, it took forever to read through all the posts. Slow down!
beber said:
Really, I thought McCain’s move to tone down his crowds was pretty damned noble. If he were as we portray him, he would not have done that.
I applaud McCain for doing this. On the other hand, I question the reason it got to the point where this is needed. Was this McCain’s doing (the attacks on Obama) or was it Palin’s? Either way, does it matter? Most know the state of mind of the people of this country when it comes to the current economic problems. People are panicking. People are fearful. Some people are near desperation. So the McCain/Palin campaign chose to ignore those issues and lead their followers in a completely different direction, planting seeds of “terrorist” and veiled insinuations of race.
Frankly, I think they owe the people of this country and Obama an apology. On that, I’m not holding my breath.
“However for the conspiracy nuts out there it does open the door to conclusive “proof” that Obama is a Jewish plant, inspired by the “Protocols of Elders of Zion”.”
No more rediculous than the other BS from the McPalin camp!
Predestined,
Linda posted this link on ‘Open’ last night.
It’s a very good read.
‘McCain tussles with Palin over whipping up a mob mentality‘
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4926283.ece
cosmos – tanks for the link. I hope that Palin’s rants sink McCain’s campaign and take with it the entire GOP.
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Regular
Posted October 12, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink
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Who cares? I don’t anymore.
This has turned into the lying blog.
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Oh boo-hoo! If this has turned into the “lying blog”, you led the way.
The waaaaambulance is on its way Reg! Call John McCain! He’s the one who said “life isn’t fair.”
Send Reg some cheese to go with his whine!
Re McCain’s reputation for running positive, issue-driven campaigns — some of the things that he did during the 2000 primaries,
‘THEY STILL SAY THEY MET THE MOST WONDERFUL MAN! The New York Times keeps telling the tale about the once-great Saint McCain:’
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100808.shtml
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* He was baldly misstating Bush’s budget proposal.
* He was running negatives ads which so offended Republican voters that he had to take them down — dramatically, of course.
* He was boiling over with obvious anger in the South Carolina debate—moderated by Larry King.
* He was lying about his actual views concerning the confederate flag. (Or so he later said.)
* He was paying large sums to two race men—presumably, to build his in-state conservative bona fides.
* He was making a series of bogus claims about negative flyers his campaign was distributing, in contravention of previous pledges.
* He was running anonymous phone calls in Michigan, painting Bush as anti-Catholic.
* He was lying, right in the face of the press, when asked if he was running those phone calls. (His campaign finally fessed up—the morning after the Michigan primary.)
* He was parading about, repeatedly saying he was going to “beat Al Gore like a drum”—even as the press corps praised him for his wonderfully uplifting politics.
* He was repeatedly telling a story about Gore and the Buddhist temple that was baldly inaccurate. “
Cosmos,
Thanks for the link to Linda’s link and to Linda for posting it. I wasn’t home until about 3 a.m. and sure wasn’t awake enough by then to read the WEBlog. :)
And, no, I wasn’t out carousing. Saturday night is family night for us, and we stayed late at my daughter’s house, not a bar, having some great discussions about a variety of things, including politics, books, movies, parenting, etc.
“I applaud McCain for doing this. On the other hand, I question the reason it got to the point where this is needed. Was this McCain’s doing (the attacks on Obama) or was it Palin’s?” — predestined
Yes. Fair to ask how it got that far in the first place, and has there been any word if Palin has softened her rhetoric? McCain is not in control of his campaign, nor, it seems at times, of himself. Down in there is the bones of a decent man, but he’s in the maw of the grinder, and there’s not a hell of a lot he can do. Or could, as president. If Obama wins, it’ll be his turn.
I was proud that a black man would represent my party in a national election, but I also thought, when I saw Obama and his family up on that podium:
“Poor ducklings. Watch out!”
Too funny.
My name is Joe Biden:
http://thejotus.com/2008/10/10/my-name-is-joe-biden/
ACORN must have really wanted to get caught with the really obvious mistakes. Using the Dallas cowboys and such…..
The use of Dallas Cowboys, make you think that it was most likely a Dallas Repub. filling out the cards. Framing some poor unsuspecting Acorn worker.
Sigh. That’s why we use applications for voter registrations. It is just an application. It is not the same as a vote.
ON LYING; The only lie I know for SURE that McCain told was to David Letterman. For that he will not be forgiven!
Eleven arrests of voter registrars… 1.3 million new voters….
Congress to cut off ACORN funding:
http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/judge-sustains-acorn-fraud-in-ohio.html
ACORN pushed me to register even though I was already registered:
http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/acorn-flack-demonstrates-alinsky-rules.html
ACORN ax me to register bunch of times and gave me smokes and money to register.
http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/acorn-paid-cash-cigarettes-to-voter.html
Two boxes contained completely made up addresses. All submitted by ACORN:
OMG! CBS reports:
http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/acorn-cbs-news-reports.html
Obama acknowledges ACORN brown shirts will actually help formulate the agenda in his first 120 days in office:
http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/can-america-escape-acorn.html
Stealing elections. ACORN will not be swept under the carpet:
http://theunionnews.blogspot.com/2008/10/voter-fraud-fears-sweep-us.html
Ayers’s prior terrorism, while highly relevant, is not the essential point. The real issue is Ayers’s revolutionary leftism (at around the time Ayers and Obama began working on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, by the way, Ayers described himself as “a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist”).
Obama is clearly lying when he claims ignorance about Ayers’s terrorism, but even if you wanted to pretend otherwise, it is impossible that he was in the dark about Ayers’s revolutionary leftism: Ayers has never made a secret of it and can’t seem to help himself from mentioning it about every 30 seconds. Obama not only knew about Ayers’s views in this regard; he obviously subscribed to them: was a member of the Chicago New Party begun by the Democratic Socialists of America; he worked closely with Ayers on “education reform” for years, he approved of Ayers’s similarly fringe-Left views of the criminal justice system’s treatment of juvenile crime, and, we are learning, he was tightly aligned with ACORN, which he and Ayers funded and whose practices fit comfortably with the Ayers view of “participatory democracy.”
McCarthy quotes Ayers’ speech to Chavez and his comrades at length; here are couple of high points:
[M]y comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice … has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution [i.e., Chavez's movement] and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane….
[I’ve] learned that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space—what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom? …
Venezuelans have shown the world that with full participation, full inclusion, and popular empowerment, the failing of capitalist schooling can be resisted and overcome. … [W]e, too, must build a project of radical imagination and fundamental change. Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation.
These are the views that Barack Obama funded in Chicago and with which he chose to ally himself. No wonder that a study later found that the many millions of dollars that Obama funneled to left-wing groups led to no improvement in the quality of education!
Clinton supporters sharing evidence for RICO case against Obama campaign
If you haven’t been a regular here at HillBuzz, you might not know about Gigi Gaston’s documentary “We Will Not Be Silenced” on the caucus fraud deliberately orchestrated by the Obama campaign during the primaries. Voter intimidation, registration fraud, vandalism, threats of violence, you name it, Obama’s supporters did it. For veterans of the McGovern ‘72 campaign who remembered thugs and hooligans engaged in similar tactics in service of their own far left candidate, the actions of Obama’s followers were so bad that even people who’ve lived through the last 36 years of ups and downs in America testified that this is the worst thing they’ve ever seen happen to our democracy.
Gaston’s documentary continues to gather testimonials from people across the country — and we have word now that the people behind these efforts to document what Obama did during the primaries are also cooperating with law enforcement in an investigation into the Obama campaign’s efforts to undermine the true will of the people in the general election.
Republicans and centrist Democrats are joined together on this effort to get the truth out about Obama before the November election.
Thus, all the evidence Clinton supporters and Republicans have gathered of fraud and voter intimidation during the primaries establishes the pattern of behavior that’s allowing RICO investigators to clearly discern a national conspiracy, rooted in Chicago, to hijack this election and defraud the will of the people. It’s all background information, with the RICO case seemingly evolving from the 15 separate investigations now underway in all states busting ACORN offices.
The Obama campaign, meanwhile, is in damage control mode, trying to amend FEC filings to erase ACORN from all of its paperwork — including claiming the $800,000 the Obama campaign paid ACORN for voter fraud (including registering the dead and enlisting homeless people and college kids to illegally multi-vote in multiple states or multiple intrastate polling places) was actually awarded to an unrelated, though wholly owned, subsidiary of ACORN.
Yawn.
That’s why we’ve also noticed the polling companies changing their party ID samples in the last two or three weeks, upping Democrats’ party ID to 50% in some polls, and dropping Republicans down to just 20%, with 30% Independent. If you look at this critically, you’d see that Democrats have never enjoyed more than a 4% historical party ID advantage. In 2006, a year that Democrats RAGED against both Bush and the sex-scandal plagued GOP (Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and other characters), Democrats had just a 3% party ID advantage. All of this means polls should be using samples with 39% Democrats, 35% Republican, and 26% Independent.
The polling samples are manipulated to give Obama higher poll numbers than he really in fact has, as reflective of support in the electorate. Some people believe this is all being done as cover for the voter fraud — so that Obama polls higher than he should in states where ACORN’s activities are meant to pump illegal votes in to push him much higher than he would be in an actual, legitimate election. The polls, in essence, are thus showing that ACORN is expected to deliver that 11% party ID advantage to Democrats, by bringing the dead, ineligible felons, and homeless multi-voters to the voting booths. The polls thus seem rigged to produce the results Obama wants…and ACORN is the muscle to make sure results are delivered to match the established polls.
I don’t think this is going to work, sparky.
Reason #7,669,226 why McCain’s punches aren’t connecting: partisan websites posting McCain smears of Obama as real news.
Pretty sweet. Keep ‘em coming!
Followed by comment that’s obviously stolen from somewhere else.
Keep trying, I’m sure you can do better.
Here is where the ACORN nuts have fallen. The truth will take time to come out, and justice is even slower, but eventually, all the ACORN nuts will be accounted for where they fell from the Obama tree:
http://www.justsaynodeal.com/acorn.html
Or not.
10/12/08
Federally-funded ACORN fraud exposed
James Terry, Chief Public Advocate for the Consumers Rights League, today issued the following statement supporting the calls of House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner, Minority Whip Roy Blunt and Senator John Ensign to investigate the activities of ACORN as well as suspend taxpayer funds to the organization in light of mounting evidence of fraudulent activity in Nevada, Missouri and Ohio. CRL also expressed outrage over ACORN’s willingness to accept rampant fraud as the cost of doing business.
James Terry, Chief Public Advocate, Consumers Rights League:
“ACORN says they don’t take federal money, but AHC takes millions and from 2004 to 2006 on funneled 4.6 million to ACORN. They have been able to get away with it due to a convoluted, Enron kind of accounting but this must stop. Congress must cut off funds, investigate and prosecute those who are found to be willfully using taxpayer funds to support fraudulent political operations and put in place transparency, reporting requirements and firewall requirements to prevent future abuses.
“Senator Ensign and Congressmen Boehner and Blunt are right — enough is enough. With ACORN standing to reap millions in taxpayer dollars from the financial crisis it helped create, this multi-national, corrupt organization needs to be investigated, not further rewarded. Now, with 40 Members of the House of Representatives and two House leaders calling for an investigation, along with Senator Ensign calling for an immediate suspension of taxpayer dollars to ACORN, it is time the Congressional leadership and the appropriate federal authorities to take action to ensure taxpayers are protected.
“Not a single additional cent should be doled out to ACORN with its growing list of questionable practices. And the public money already flowing to this organization should be suspended immediately.
“ACORN’s admission in Ohio that fraud is acceptable is stunning in its gravity and their reasoning is simply not credible. It is difficult to swallow the notion that an organization spending an estimated $50 million plus on a voter registration project would cite lack of resources as an excuse to accept fraudulent practices.
“The fact is, year after year, ACORN has consistently displayed contempt for the law and a willingness to accept rampant fraud as a simple cost of doing business. Unfortunately, voter registration is not the only area of ACORN’s operation to disregard the law. This organization has a long history of fraud, embezzlement and misuse of taxpayer funds. With an estimated $110 million annual budget, there is more than adequate resources to allow for proper oversight. But there seems to be a culture of corruption that pervades the organization that should be investigated not rewarded with millions more of taxpayer dollars.”
LOL
These reek of College Republicans doin’ their best to Relate to the workin’ man.
Hilarious.
Pedant wants some links. OK!
James Terry testified at a joint House Administration and House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing on “Federal, State and Local Efforts to Prepare for the General 2008 Election,” where he highlighted “corruption at every level of ACORN including embezzlement, cover-ups, misuse of taxpayer funds and voter fraud. The testimony can be viewed here: http://www.consumersrightsleague.org/uploadedfiles/JamesTerryACORN9-24.pdf
CRL’s report on ACORN
http://www.consumersrightsleague.org/UploadedFiles/ACORN_AHC_Report.pdf
No, this doesn’t at all appear to be a partisn attempt to smear Obama.
No, not at all.
LOL
What is consumerrightsleague, and how many days ago did the College Republicans put the website together.
Yawn.
MS. BLOCK: Do you feel betrayed by the Bush administration and by the president?
MR. GINGRICH: Well, betrayed is too strong a word. I think what they’re doing is just wrong. And I think that it’s likely to fail and it’s likely to make the situation worse over time. And I think that Secretary Paulson has shown almost no understanding of how a democracy operates. His initial draft would have given him $700 billion of your tax money with no oversight, no judicial review, no accountability. I mean, we’re not a dictatorship.
MS. BLOCK: But the idea, obviously, is that this goes to Congress and that provisions are written in and that’s just what they’re doing now. Are you not reassured by what’s the debate in Congress right now?
MR. GINGRICH: Well, the last time we were promised they were going to save us, it was $300 billion; it was a housing bill. And what liberal Democrats in Congress did, for example, was add $500 million a year for a left-wing activist group called Acorn. Now, I can’t imagine why we’d want the taxpayer to give $500 million a year to a left-wing activist group, but it’s in the bill which the Bush administration signed and that was only back in July and that was going to solve everything. That was $300 billion ago.
I get that this is like a last ditch attempt, but I am still doubting that it’s going to work.
For instance, the Swift Boat guys started about a year before the election.
And they had something between their ears approaching grey matter.
Ongoing criminal cover-up at union-backed voter-fraud group exposes Rathke’s reign of error
Board directors at ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — are demanding the organization turn over financial records relating to the embezzlement of nearly $1 million by the brother of ACORN’s founder.
Board members Marcel Reid and Karen Inman are seeking a court order that also would sever ties between ACORN and founder Wade Rathke, The New York Times reported Tuesday. Although Rathke resigned as chief organizer, he oversees staff and expenditures, the lawsuit contends.
The court action reflects continuing turmoil at ACORN. Rathke resigned after it became public this summer that his brother, Dale Rathke, embezzled $948,607.50.
My goodness, a partisan attack on Obama has been launched.
Correction: another partisan attack…
Ok, got it.
ACORN’s history needs to be known, not kept a mystery.
Stephanie Block, in “Dissing the Organizer: Obama, ACORN and Catholic Action” (September 24, 2008):
“’Last year, The Seattle Times reported the biggest voter-registration fraud scheme in Washington history. Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged for filling out and submitting more than 1,800 fictitious voter-registration cards during a 2006 registration drive in King and Pierce counties.’ (Keith Ervin, ‘Three plead guilty in fake voter scheme,’ 10-30-2007)
This year, an ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced for to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
“Those are convictions from the past year. There are also examples of indictments this year, such as the four ACORN employees in Kansas City charged with identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election and the Reynoldsburg fellow indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties. And there are current investigations into ACORN for voter fraud all over the map: the Milwaukee ACORN for 200 to 300 fraudulent voter registration cards; the Cleveland ACORN for its submission of 75,000 voter registrations, many of which are fraudulent; the New Mexico ACORN, which claims to have taken 72,000 new voter registrations in the state since January, is under suspicion for 1,100 possibly fraudulent voter registration cards turned in to the Bernalillo County clerk’s office recently.
ACORN’s history is riddled with criminal activity. During the last major election, the Wall Street Journal did a story about ACORN. Four ACORN workers had been indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms to the Kansas City, Missouri, election board; other ACORN workers were convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado and investigations, at the time the article was written, were under way in Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania. [‘The Acorn Indictments, WSJ 11-3-06].
”The Wall Street Journal article points out some additional facts that have particular interest to us, two years later. ‘Operating in at least 38 states (as well as Canada and Mexico), ACORN pushes a highly partisan agenda, and its organizers are best understood as shock troops for the AFL-CIO and even the Democratic Party. As part of the Fannie Mae reform bill, House Democrats pushed an ‘affordable housing trust fund’ designed to use Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac profits to subsidize ACORN, among other groups. A version of this trust fund actually passed the Republican House and will surely be on the agenda again next year.’
I guess I’m going to have to find myself a big article or something to steal, copy, and paste from.
Or maybe not.
By BILL DRAPER, Associated Press Writer
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -
Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states.
Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.
“I don’t even know the entire scope of it because registrations are coming in so heavy,” Davis said. “We have identified about 100 duplicates, and probably 280 addresses that don’t exist, people who have driver’s license numbers that won’t verify or Social Security numbers that won’t verify. Some have no address at all.”
Keep ‘em coming.
I can feel it working now. Really.
Hey Pedant,
Try googling Mccain + Forrestal, or McCain collaborated, or McCain temper, or Cindy McCain used drugs.
You’ll find lots of cool stuff.
As observed before, when power lacks moral authority and the true consent of the governed, it has only one way to assert its will – force, the threat of violence, and outright physical control. And, especially given the temperament of the American people, such action would lead to only one reaction, resistance.
That is what is at stake. The seeds are being sown now of what could be the darkest chapter in our nation’s history. An illegitimate government using force to compel a restive citizenry to “share” their income in ever increasing amounts for dubious social welfare scams and radical One World foreign policies will not end well.
One person has the ability to prevent this. Barrack Obama himself is the only person who can short-circuit the dangerous cycle we have entered. If he immediately called on state election officials to purge voter lists in a manner designed to remove the fraudulent registrants, if he joined with people of good faith of all political persuasions to establish a monitoring system, if he openly discussed his relationship with ACORN and cooperated with law enforcement authorities, he would ensure the legitimacy of the elections. And, he would accomplish what he says he wants, true reconciliation in America.
Whether Obama would win in a fair contest is hard to say. He has many assets and skills. If he fails to acts now, he could win the White House and lose all. He would forever be seen as the interloper, the illegitimate beneficiary of the largest fraud ever committed. But if he does “man-up” at this crucial moment, he will gain the respect of friend and foe alike. He will have earned for himself the legitimacy no stolen election can ever confer.
Bill Wilson is the President of Americans for Limited Government.
Yeah, that’ll get ‘em to vote for McCain, a threat of civil war.
Great idea.
I’m thinking a guy named roach who can’t be bothered to post links and who advocates civil war if he doesn’t get his way may not be the most stable of the far right wingers.
Just a hunch.
Good God, RoaCH, I never suspected! Where do you find this stuff? You must be some kind of genius!! Why isn’t the main stream media reporting this stuff?!?!
I tell you whut! I’m not going to stand for this kind of thing. I’m going right out and get a lobotomy so I can register as a republican. I ain’t voting for the Antichrist!
“the illegitimate beneficiary of the largest fraud ever committed.”
That would be george w. bush in the stolen election of 2000.
The7:32 pm post is whack.
Seriously.
At least RoaCH is posting his garbage on the appropriate thread:
‘Why McCain campaign punches aren’t connecting’
And people wonder why McCain’s punches aren’t landing.
“Make Obama talk to law enforcement about ACORN or we’ll start a civil war.”
Jesus.
RoaCH
Posted October 12, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
As observed before, when power lacks moral authority and the true consent of the governed, it has only one way to assert its will – force, the threat of violence, and outright physical control.
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I was wondering when one of the wingnuts would trot out this little chestnut.
As I’ve said before, the republicans have all the guns.
I am quite confident and comfortable with the fact that nothing will change the die hard libs on the Kansas Weblog’s minds.
Kansas will be voting republican as usual this year.
The small click of fifty or so libs who are gathering signatures in the little town of Wichita are the least of my concerns. But being Micromys
type folk in a sea of conservativism you make a nice microcosm to study.
You make good practice material for the really challenging blogs.
RoaCH posted October 12, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Americans for Limited Government
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Limited_Government
Delusions of grandeur to boot.
It’s like he’s sportin’ the whole range of conservative paranoid delusions.
“A “review of public records from 2004, however, shows that the operations of Americans for Limited Government and its affiliated foundation were financed almost entirely that year by a handful of large donors…”
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Limited_Government
“..”Early in his career, Rich was active in the Libertarian Party and worked with other leaders of the party, such as powerful billionaire Charles Koch”
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Howard_Rich
—
Sweet.
Sure hated to see that poster Ben posted last night. Gotta admit I’m a little nervous about it, too.
RoaCH
Posted October 12, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
If he fails to acts now, he could win the White House and lose all. He would forever be seen as the interloper, the illegitimate beneficiary of the largest fraud ever committed.
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Uh, wouldn’t that describe Bush?
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RoaCH
Posted October 12, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink
I am quite confident and comfortable with the fact that nothing will change the die hard libs on the Kansas Weblog’s minds.
Kansas will be voting republican as usual this year.
The small click of fifty or so libs who are gathering signatures in the little town of Wichita are the least of my concerns. But being Micromys
type folk in a sea of conservativism you make a nice microcosm to study.
You make good practice material for the really challenging blogs.
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I’m so looking forward to Nov 5.
Here’s the poster ben posted a link to last night. I bet vermin like roach love it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Wanted_for_treason.jpg
I had faith in ya Pedant. I knew I didn’t need to waste time giving you a link to each news story.
There are links provided, or reference to the source on most of the above posts. If anyone has trouble locating GOOGLE.com and pasting any of the above into and finding links, please post back.
I know we want everything to be as simple as possible. But no simpler.
Yeah you can cut and paste extremist crap there Roach. Surely you are destined to be the next Drudge.
Got any words of your own? Warmed over desperation and indignation bores people.
Uh, wouldn’t that describe Bush?
No XXX, Bush would be only the second largest.
Well thanks Cosmos for pointing that out. Let me git on over to the open thread and regurgitate.
So many Palin threads and I can’t get one on ACORN.
Its been a busy day.
However, glad to see SOMETHING about William Ayers.
Ayers helped make Obama’s political career possible.
Ayers and Obama are joined at the hip, and they have been for a very long time.
Ayers wife, Bernidine Dohrn, praised Charles Manson and the murders that the “Manson Family” committed.
Dohrn was directly involved with trying to blow up the home, and family, of a judge hearing a Black Panthers case.
Obama launched his political career in the home of Ayers and Dohrn.
By the way, how can you say that he Ayers issue isn’t working? How do you know what the polls would say, if Ayers was never brought up at all?
You don’t know.
And, if you thought it was not working, liberals, it would not upset you so much.
By they way, why did the Daily Kos and Obama post a FORGED birth certificate?
There is absolutely no doubt that the COLB that Obama has produced is forged:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
There is a lawsuit in PA, asking Obama to produce a true COLB. Instead of simply producing said document, Obama is trying to simly have the case dismissed.
Why? I was very willing to believe that Obama WAS born in Hawaii, until Obama, himself, brought forward a fake document. That was a dumb thing for Obama to do, unless, of course —???
Here, let me help.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/
You’ll have to scroll down to “Break the Back Of The Enemy” and watch the video.
Another don’t miss and completely off the subject is the video farther down, under “Human Dignity In Very Cool Font Animation”.
You’re all so desperate, it’s pathetic.
Remember the woman who said Obama was an Arab at the McCain Rally and McCain took the mic from her? She had lots to say about it. (On video & transcript)
http://the-uptake.groups.theuptake.org/en/videogalleryView/id/933/
There’s nothing Paul won’t lie about. Obama was born in America. It may be news to Paul but Hawaii is a state in the United States of America therefore Hawaii is part of America.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Keep in mind these are the same losers who claimed John Kerry’s medals were fake and John Edward’s wife was faking cancer to get John an increase in the polls. Oh yeah, this is the same Paul who claimed that Obama is an Arab. Republicans just love to prove how inept, incompetent and dishonest they are.
Hilarious.
Now Franklin’s relivin’ the Rather forgery from 2004 and hopin’ to strike gold twice.
Get a clue, it ain’t in the news not because it’s being covered up. IT AIN’T IN THE NEWS BECAUSE IT’S A SMEAR. It’s like me demanding a topic on McCain’s burning up of the Forrestal just so I can smear him, and then whinin’ that it ain’t fair I can’t get one.
I’m thinking you guys got 3 weeks to work it, though, and I’m pretty sure you’ll give it the old college try.
Pre, Re: the two videos linked in your 8:26 post — the first one is scary stuff and the second wonderful! Thanks for that one, I needed that!
HIlarious.
Actually, it’s more like me demandin’ a topic on McCain’s burning up the Forrestal and then threating civil war if I don’t get it.
And you guys think the Dems were crybabies after 2000?
LOL
Oh yeah, McCain killed all those Americans on the Forrestal. Here’s a recent article on his reckless behavior.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=hsnews-000002974001
Speaking of McCain, he used his position as senator to help one of his friends get a sweet land deal.
http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_10703310
Oh, boy, Whiplash Mccain getting ready to roll out a comprehensive economic policy, guess what it includes more tax cuts.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081012/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_80
There’s a shock, McCain wants more tax cuts for the rich. Let’s see those who made lousy investments and caused this huge financial crisis should be rewarded with a tax cut. Yeah, makes sense. The dividend tax rate is 15% so the ultra rich who don’t need to work but can draw a salary from dividends alone need to be rewarded for their “hard work” with another tax cut. Those who lost $2 trillion in pension investments won’t see a reward but those who bailed out of the market and took their huge profits will be rewarded with a tax cut. And those who made money by selling bundled mortgages will be rewarded with a tax cut.
No matter, the rest of us who live off our labor, not our investments, can have a larger burden in order to bail out those who are getting rewarded. I suppose it makes sense, all the tax cuts by Bush completely eliminated the national debt and resulted in a huge growth in the GDP.
Isn’t the definition of insanity something like a person repeating the same behavior over and over again expecting a different result each time?
Sounded like Lou Dobbs was jumping to some unfounded conclusions about Obama and acorn, and asking why there isn’t a federal investigation.
I don’t think I care as much about lou dobbs opinion as I once did. He should stick to outsourcing of america.
I remember seeing it noted that not only is there a record of the birth but there was also a newspaper announcement of the birth. Well, I guess that just proves that Obama’s Arab parents planned ahead and planted the birth announcement!
/sarcasm off
Maggot
Do you have a reading problem?
I said, CLEARLY, that I was very willing to believe that Obama WAS born in Hawaii, and YES, that would make Obama eligible for POTUS.
I realized that some of the stuff that came out, previously, about Obama’s birth was bogus.
However, some very top notch people now have some legit questions about Obama’s birth certificate, and about statements that some Obama family members have made.
Here is another examination of the Obama birth certificate issue:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm
You will notice that those people, on Daily Kos, DU, and other places who say that this “forged document” charge has been “busted” said so BEFORE these more recent investigations.
Now, it is entirely possible that Obama IS a “natural born citizen” — born in Hawaii. (There are other issues, as his citizenship in Indonesia might have required Obama’s parents to renounce his American citizenship).
It obviously sounds absurd that Obama would put himself, and the country, through all of this if he was NOT born in America. The truth is, it is entirely possible that Obama does not know for sure where he was born, or did not realize a possible problem until recently.
I was more than willing to dismiss this stuff as pure crack pot wishful thinking of some on my side of the political divide.
However? Why would Obama release such a strange looking document?
However? Why won’t Obama simply provide the court, in Pennsylvania, with a true, certified copy of his birth certificate.
Better yet? Why won’t Obama simply sign a release to allow the authorities in Hawaii to supply the courts, and the public, with the proper documentation, and maybe even the ORIGINAL birth certificate?
Obama is wrong to treat this matter in this way.
McCain had similar issues, about his birth in Panama, while Panama was a US territory. McCain’s parents WERE citizens of the United States and well past the age of 18 at the time McCain was born, so McCain is obviously eligible to be POTUS, under the Constitution.
Since Obama’s mother could NOT pass citizenship on to her child, automatically, Obama DOES need to be born in the United States, to be POTUS.
Again, McCain was challenged, on this issue, and McCain, statesman that he is, did his best to avoid a Constitutional crisis by releasing the proper documentation.
I am actually hopeful that Obama CAN provide a legit birth certificate.
If and when he does, it will not make anyone look foolish for asking.
Instead, it will make Obama look arrogant — for pretending, for so long, that we had no right to ask at all!
Predestined postulates:
You’ll have to scroll down to “Break the Back Of The Enemy” and watch the video.
Another don’t miss and completely off the subject is the video farther down, under “Human Dignity In Very Cool Font Animation”.
The first video: Attacks Sarah Palin for her religious beliefs.
The second video: Has a cool font which says: YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO WORSHIP AS YOU THINK. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR OWN BELIEFS.
Predestined used the first video to attack.
The second video he thinks is pretty cool too.
Maggot
How can you blame the Forrestal tragedy on McCain?
McCain’s airplane did not cause the problem.
The problem was caused by a malfunction, on another airplane.
You call Republicans “desperate” then you bring up completely bogus lies and feel no shame?
I don’t think that Operation Swift Boat 2008 will do much more than remind voters that John S McCain and Sarah Palin are an awful lot like George W Bush.
But hey, it’s your dime knock yourselves out.
LOL
Maggotpunk
Posted October 12, 2008 at 9:04 pm | Permalink
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From the FactCheck:
“In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:”
As for PaulTheShrillShill’s ‘question’ about why he doesn’t produce another certificate just for the nutcases: If some nutcase claimed that I was really born in Timbuckto I wouldn’t bother going through the hassles with the authorities in Georgia to get a new Certificate. I’d just cann the nutcases the a^^holes they are.
Franklin posted:
Maggot
You call Republicans “desperate” then you bring up completely bogus lies and feel no shame?
Franklin, Maggots do that. They will flurish in the most purtid of materials. They live and grow best in sh-t.
Get it yet?
really born in Timbuckto
Hey bth: It’s Timbuktu.
As in the Dr Suess book which has the phrase for seven year olds:
Constantinople and Timbuktu
Ben
Check the date on your “FactCheck” post.
Is that writer psychic?
How can your post refute my post, when the investigation that I posted happened AFTER your FactCheck article.
And Ben, let us not forget that a lawsuit is pending, against Obama, and that Obama can end this rather quickly by PRODUCING a valid document!
Actually, it would take LESS work, to produce the Birth Certificate, than what Obama’s attorney has been doing.
(By the way, Obama’s attorney, in this case, also has a long record of defending terrorists)
Again, for the record, I would like Obama to produce a valid birth certificate. It is arrogant for Obama to refuse such a request. It is arrogant for Obama to fight this lawsuit.
I question Obama’s judgement in fighting this request. I am hopeful that Obama CAN provide proper documentation.
I love Paul’s fringe sources that he claims have made “legitimate” claims about Obama’s birth certificate and about the conspiricy that was firmly in place in 1961 with the planting of the fake birth announcement back in 1961.
Maybe the Obama conspiricy was also at the grassy knoll?
And let’s not forget, a lawsuit is pending!
Pending mind you!!!
LOL
Paul – as you know any psychotic nutcase can file a lawsuit. Did the conspiricy also plant the newspaper announcement?
You righties keep recycling the same lies over and over again. I just hope Obama’s attorneys countersue and absolutely destroy these guys and drive them and their families into bankruptcy and make them homeless.
This is hilarious. It’s like Franklin got his old guy buddy to browe here and pose as RoaCH, from Idaho, to come visit the WEBlog site where they hope to relive the glory of Swift Boat 2004.
Bring on the typewriter analysis!!!
And Ben
FACTCHECK IS A LYING LEFT WING TOOL PAID FOR BY THE ANNENBERG FOUNDATION!:
Pamela Geller/Atlas Shrugs Uncovers More Lying About Obama Birth Certificate
Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs has found that the Annenberg Foundation website has modified the birth certificate it previously posted on its blog.
Geller writes:
Altering Obama’s birth docs seems to be infectious eh? Liberal fascists will stop at nothing. The end justifies anything, anyway, anyhow… Well check this out THE EXIF INFO HAS BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE ATLAS CAUGHT THESE SCOUNDRALS IN THEIR SKULDUGGERY. How long before Isikoff at Newsweak cribs this? (hat tip yid with lid)…It “appears” to be exactly the same, but it isn’t. ALL THE EXIF INFO HAS BEEN REMOVED…When factcheck says the images haven’t been edited in any way, they are lying. ”
http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/10/pamela-gelleratlas-shrugs-uncovers-more.html
So, the foundation that Obama used to work for, with terrorist Ayers, also funds FactCheck.org, and THEY claim Obama is ok? Well gee—
FACTCHECK IS A LYING LEFT WING TOOL PAID FOR BY THE ANNENBERG FOUNDATION!:
So, the foundation that Obama used to work for, with terrorist Ayers, also funds FactCheck.org, and THEY claim Obama is ok? Well gee—
I think you rest your case.
Case is closed.
Further posts from FACTCHECK shall be renamed:
LIBERAL KOOLAID INSPIRATION
Ben
The ONLY birth announcement, out of any newspaper that I am aware of, was in Canada.
That doesnt quite count.
Do you have another for us, perhaps?
“Check the date on your “FactCheck” post.
Is that writer psychic?
How can your post refute my post, when the investigation that I posted happened AFTER your FactCheck article.”
Simple – the so-called “investigation” is simply a re-hash of old lies.
Paul – about the birth announcement in the newspaper. Also fake?
And Paul:
“ATLAS SHRUGGED IS A LYING RIGHT WING TOOL”
Franklin
Posted October 12, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink
FACTCHECK IS A LYING LEFT WING TOOL PAID FOR BY THE ANNENBERG FOUNDATION!
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LOL
Is this anything like PAULSON IS A DEMOCRAT?!?
Looks like roach and Franklin visit the same websites.
Franklin you down with the civil war threat thingy, too?
I didn’t know about a Canadian one – only the LOCAL one:
“In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:”
Honoulu is in Hawaii.
Hey Paul, you know how much I enjoy making you look like a fool. The Annenberg Foundation’s President and chairman endorsed McCain. So are you trying to tell us that someone who endorsed McCain funded a website that is supposed to make McCain look bad?
Once again you have been shown to be incompetent Paul. But keep the lies pouring on, you just reveal how much of a failure the Republican party is.
Check the number two person on McCain’s list of endorsements:
http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/PressReleases/1b838127-b4a0-4868-9906-62f555376089.htm
I guess you are going to have to admit McCain has an Ayers connection. Nah, you won’t have to admit that because you have never been distracted by facts.
Phillip Berg, who filed the lawsuit against Obama, is a Clinton supporter!
Now, I do not have to agree with everything the man says, to see that he does have a point here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066207/posts
“Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states in particular part, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been Fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” Furthermore, all Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence.
“The general doctrine of our Constitution is, that the executive power of the nation is vested in the President; subject only to the exceptions and qualifications, which are expressed in the instrument.” 7 Works of Alexander Hamilton, J. C. Hamilton ed. (New “
But Paul – please tell your hndlers that you are being very effective and that they need to hire more people to spread the lies about Obama’s birth certificate. I’m sure your guys poll numbers will just soar when the truth about te conspiricy gets out. Especially about the planting of a fake birth announcement!
Pedant
Paulson IS a Democrat, isn’t he?
Every other former CEO at Paulson’s firm, with any national name recognition, is a Democrat.
Franklin
Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:04 pm | Permalink
Pedant
Paulson IS a Democrat, isn’t he?
–
No, he is a Republic.
Bush doesn’t play well with Democrats, remember?
Pedant
Actually no, I do not want a civil war.
However, you are being a bit hypocritical in your critique of conservatives.
Quite a few libs are threatening violence, if Obama does not win.
(Ya, they say they are “warning” but it sure sounds like a threat!)
Franklin’s handlers should know…
I was a supporter of Senator Clinton. I thought briefly of voting McCain.
But the choice of Palin combined with the posts of “Franklin” here have convinced me. I MUST vote for Senator Obama.
So Franklin, are you down with roach’s civil war if Obama won’t agree to “meet” with law enforcement about ACORN?
No meeting = civil war, according to roach’s post.
You down with that, too?
Good to know Franklin.
By the way, if you can’t get anybody to believe xyz is all the fault of the Democrats, don’t forget to shout PAULSON IS A DEMOCRAT at ‘em!
LOL
The real reason Obama haters are coming up with the lie that Obama was born in Kenya:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
The desperation flows as much as Paul’s screams when he’s confronted with the facts.
First act of roach’s desired civil war?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Wanted_for_treason.jpg
Paulson is a Republic.
But BlueJay – HUSH! We want PaulTheShrilShill’s handlers to believe that he is effective!
HIlarious.
Guy writes that because Paulson worked for Goldman Sachs that that somehow absolves Bush of responsibility for the serial bailouts, and then he wants us to follow him down another rathole of logic and believe that Obama is this and that…Ayers…ACORN…etc.?
What in the wide world of sports is going on in your head?
No WONDER McCain can’t get any traction with his attacks, his minions are goofballs.
Remember donate to ACORN !!!
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=2584
Ben, of course the 1961 birth announcement was faked. Barack Obama is actually a timelord–he was born on another planet.
And he has some nerve running for office on Earth!
That explains why Obama doesn’t fly in a plane but a blue police box.
deja vu – It has been noted that the ‘energy level’ of Palin’s rallies are much higher than anyone has seen before. Well, I have seen them on the tube and I also personally saw a rally in the past with a similar level of enthusiasm and vitriol. 1968 in Boston. It wasn’t a Humphrey rally. It wasn’t a Nixon rally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace#1968_third_party_presidential_run
For example, there is something pretty goofy about a guy old enough to quote the old Napoleon XIV song from 1966, Funny Farm, and who calls himself RoaCH.
And advocates civil war if he doesn’t get his way.
That pretty much creeps me out.
Rage – you hush too! That is supposed to be a secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zone)
After Richard M. Nixon was elected President, he appointed Annenberg as ambassador to the Court of St. James’s in the United Kingdom
Actually, much of the work, on this issue, was done by Hillary and PUMA Democrats:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-born-in-hawaii-wrong-can-of-worms-2/
A birth announcement also appeared, at the same time, in a Canadian paper. I will track that down in a few minutes.
We do not know what hospital Obama was born in. Obama has relatives, in Kenya, who insist he was born in Kenya, or at least they used to say as much.
Also, even if Obama WAS born in Hawaii, why did Obama alter the COLB? It was altered, but why?
Now, there are other issues concerning dual citizenship, Kenyan and Indonesian, even if Obama is proven to have been born in Hawaii.
This is a strange story.
Don’t get mad at us for asking questions, get mad at Obama for screwing this up, to begin with, by not answering legitimate questions.
“Also, even if Obama WAS born in Hawaii, why did Obama alter the COLB? It was altered, but why?”
PROVE IT PAUL! All you have are a couple of fringe blogs. McCain supporter Annenberg’s FACTCHECK calls that a lie – just being recycled over and over again.
And Paul – Obama DID answer the questions. Now you answer this one: You were really born in an asylum in Kazakhstan. Why do you claim to be an American?
Franklin, don’t forget the fonts on Obama’s current birth certificate didn’t exist on typewriters!!!
LOL
Jesus, it’s like watching a grown man play with trains in his basement. Or calling himself RoaCH and, at an age where he should know better, posting a call for civil war if he doesn’t get his way.
Weird Ohs.
Another anonymous blog. How do you know “texasdarlin” is a Clinton supporter Paul?
“The Real Manchurian Candidate”
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
McCain in NOT a US Citizen
McCAin was not born in Coco Solo but he was born in Colon Panama and his parents were residing there at the time. This does not make him a natural born citizen as required by Presidencial clause and 1st sentence of 14th amendment. There was a court case about 6 months ago regarding a case between a Fred Hollander v. John McCain and RNC in U.S. District Court in New Hampshire under case 1:08-CV-00099.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/birthcertificatelanding.htmthe
Here is an image of a “Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama” born Aug 23, 1961, in CANADA:
http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm
Now, I do not subscribe to all of the views in this linked post, above, but the fact that a birth certificate, for a Barack Obama, born in Canada, DOES exist, is really not much at issue.
The point that is made, in the link, is that it is entirely possible to get birth certificates issued for children not actually born in the United States.
Actually, the fact that there are birth records, but no MATERNAL records, in TWO different Hawaii hospitals actually makes it look like their was some scrambeling, in the Obama/Dunham family, after Obama was born, to get Obama declared a United States citizen.
The law clearly states that citizenship is NOT automatic, if born outside the United States, even if your mother IS a citizen. The age of the mother, at birth, is a factor.
Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1
Pedant, when did I advocate civil war if I don’t get my way?
You smoking somfin and not sharing?
John McCain:
The Manchurian Candidate connection:
McCain was subjected to 5 ½ years of Soviet driven “brain perversion techniques.”
Is he fit to be President and Commander in Chief of the military?
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
By Ted Sampley
March, 2008
For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a “special” prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam.
McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the “red button,” claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide.
Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation.
At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed “to put a man’s mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened.”
Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in “harsh psychological battles” with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress.
In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as “insane McCain,” is well known for having a “volcanic” temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults.
Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain’s in your face temperament up close. “His volatility borders in the area of being unstable,” Johnson said. “Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause.”
The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with “increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer.”
The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.
McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body.
These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made “if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m.”
McCain’s POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the “crown prince” of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a “royal family” and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in “solitary confinement.”
In February, Reuters news reported that McCain’s former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. “In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize,” said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military.
Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam.
No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain’s first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system.
Within days of McCain’s shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their “mind and behavior modification” drugs on such an important prisoner.
McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. “Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant.” Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain.
U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with “mind control” techniques and behavior modification drugs
Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that “a sinister battle for men’s minds” was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained “have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them.”
During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of “chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes.” The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation.
Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain’s unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½-year prisoner of the communists.
The American public was first exposed to Soviet “brain perversion techniques” during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare.
By the end of the Korean War, “70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted.”
Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States.
Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam’s original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations.
Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could “put a man’s mind into a fog.”
Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows “free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media.”
Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.
In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that “none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets.”
Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a “high-ranking naval officer,” who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.
Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to “read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo” pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.
McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.
In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help “design” the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.
More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain’s overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, “the signs are all there, I’m afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed.”
During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war.
News pundits have elevated McCain to “the most popular national political figure in the country” by repeatedly describing him as a “war hero” based on his refusal accept a communist offer of “early release” from captivity.
What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp’s senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, “it would be the longest held prisoner” Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer.
It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions “if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m.”
Is McCain taking any kind of pain or “nerve” medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions?
McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?
Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?
Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp?
McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return?
Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam?
Does McCain’s former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain?
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm
Wow! Like cool man, you read Rolling Stone dude?
Like wow man, far out. They still advertise where to order good weed seed from?
Like they are an authority of politic’s.
PAUL – When I lived in Tucson I played poker every other week with a guy who had the same name as I did – first-middle-last. It was rather amusing – especially since he and I frequently got each other’s phone calls. It was even funnier since he was Korean ethnicity – I am mixed native American and European.
So – was I born in Georgia as I claim? Or in Arizona where another gy with the sme name was born?
Pedant, when did I advocate civil war if I don’t get my way?
You smoking somfin and not sharing?
“Like they are an authority of politic’s”
Way ahead of Atlas, freerepublic, texasdarlin and all those other blogs PaulTheShrillShill is using.
Actually – Rolling Stone has matured into a rather interesting publication. Don’t know anything about their agriculture advertising though.
One last gift as I head to bed – 5:45 just too damn early!
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/mccain.htm
Phantom
So what? Anneberg would turn over in his grave if he knew how liberal and radical his foundation has become.
Henry Ford would not much like what the Ford Foundation does, either.
But – before I go:
“RoaCH
Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink
Pedant, when did I advocate civil war if I don’t get my way?”
“force, the threat of violence, and outright physical control. And, especially given the temperament of the American people, such action would lead to only one reaction, resistance.”
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Wanted_for_treason.jpg
FactCheck is an Obama mouthpiece.
Everything FactCheck says can be ignored.
Ben
Actually, it IS possible to be an AUTOMATIC “natural born” citizen even if you are born outside the United States, as long as your MOTHER was old enough, at the time, to pass on citizenship to you, as a child.
At age 19, Ann Dunham had not been past the “age of majority” for the required number of years.
And, I STILL think Obama will be able to prove American birth, somehow.
My question is: “Why has Obama allowed this wound to fester?”
Why? Obama has hired an attorney to fight the case in PA. Obama refuses to furnish that court with a birth certificate.
Doesn’t that seem odd to you?
It is my guess that there is something else Obama is trying to hide, not the place of his birth.
I disagree with Obama, but I find it hard to believe that he would put all of us through this. Again, however, how the hell is Obama supposed to know what happened, if everyone always told him a lie?
Pedant, when did I advocate civil war if I don’t get my way?”
You just fire a round downrange and hope it strikes
any old target?
You got nothing. I posted many, many posts and links to information regarding Obama and his ties to ACORN, Avery, and his rotten economic plan.
I provided links and sources – where I didn’t think they were clear: I offered to provide them for any poster who could not find their way around Google.
But I didn’t advocate civil war. At least not that I remember.
So why not show me. I did a FIND: but got nothin’
Like you got nothin’
I think THIS is where the light hit ya “roach”
“As observed before, when power lacks moral authority and the true consent of the governed, it has only one way to assert its will – force, the threat of violence, and outright physical control. And, especially given the temperament of the American people, such action would lead to only one reaction, resistance.”
Now we more reasonable minded folk are about to do just what you rant about, sans the violence, in an election. I THINK what some of us are getting is that you are not going to like the results of that election and plan to act out.
BRING
IT!
Because with the duly elected government on our side? It’s open season on some of the worst and dimmest.
And I was going to sleep as I watched how human activity caused the dust storms of the thirties when I Know it all weighed in.
“Try to think beyond yourselves. Above yourselves if possible. Ahead of yourselves especially.
Yeah, I am. This is what liberals do.
Rush makes millions a year lying to idiots like you. He LAUGHS at you. YOU’Re an idiot foot soldier in his army marching into battle FOR HIM.
You are not ever going to have what he has. HE took it from you and you are defending it for him. All on the false promise that some day, some way, you are gonna be Rush.
Franklin
Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Permalink
FactCheck is an Obama mouthpiece.
Everything FactCheck says can be ignored.
**********
Paul F. Rosell has finally & completely, jumped the shark. Somebody get that boy some atypical antipsychotics. He needs them badly.
“Furthermore, all Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence.”
And the Declaration of Independence is WHAT part of the Constitution of the U.S.???
The Declaration of Independence has NOTHING to do with the Constitutional requirements for being President….
FURTHERMORE —–
Barack’s mommie was a time traveler from another universe…. When she gave birth to little Barry, she knew he would be running for President in 2008, and she knew she had to dummy up a birth certificate for her alien baby, so he could be legal to be President….
Ya know… sort of like that one “Awnald” movie??? With the mother on the run to save her child??? Same thing…
If not that, what the HELL reason would anybody have in 1961 to falsify a birth certificate in Hawaii???
What you IDIOTS are saying is that some how, some way, Obama’s mommy knew her kid would grow up to be President, so she had to do something when he was born to make sure he was a Citizen….
Yea, Sure, Right…. Roselle, PLEASE find a psychiatrist!!! You are FAR out of control!! Your HATRED is consuming your sense of — well, your sense of everything!!!
Imagine the excitement of the mainstream media if they had discovered that some preacher up in Alaska had declared Sarah Palin to be like a deity?
I don’t know which is creepier, the pronouncement of Obama as messiah by Farrakhan or that strange cultish smile on his face
wow
you need to be careful wtf you wish for.
i think by now you have seen the videos of the african minister praying over falin in her church.
he’s the same african minister who makes extra money back home in africa praying and “making the witches up in the sky above a town to go away.”
oh yeah, i almost forgot about the random woman in his town he tortured and told everybody dumb (that would be YOU) enough to listen and believe his con that she was a real witch.
finally he was able to run her out of town.
that’s your vice president canidate smart guy.
you may actually be to stupid to vote.
creepier… ??
creepy is people like you who mull around this dumbass stuff in your little brain every waking hour.
“strange cultish smile on his face”
lol
you’re an idiot.
here’s a new idea, some people like to smile and are… (big surprise to you) ACTUALLY HAPPY WITH THEIR LIFE… !!!
I KnowIt —- I sincerely hope you find the help you need…. before you hurt yourself, or someone else.
Your post is the kind of fringe nut case I have posted about here several times…. I have been made fun of…
This post by IKnowIt sort of proves me correct earlier….
However, I dont want to THANK you for proving true what I have posted here before about your kind…. I do, however, WANT you to get the help you so badly need….
In your given mindset, you no doubt would believe they will make you one of the “undead” just like the movie script says….
“I-Know-It–I-Knew-It”
all i can say in response to you is…
huh?
wtf are you talking about?
for the betterment of society are you locked up?
is it diffiCULT to cut and paste so much?
btw… you’re an idiot.
is there someone close to you who can help you?
john mccain was born outside the united states.
you people are idiots… !!
mccain WAS born outside the USA… in the panama canal zone!!
Hey there, “Chas” –
I just got off a video conference with a business partner in India. So I get to catch up on stuff here in the middle of the night/morning whatever.
Why are you up at this ungodly hour?
Why McCain campaign punches aren’t connecting?
Because he’s shadow boxing, throwing punches at non existent issues.
Today Billy Kristol says Mccain should fire his entire campaign leadership! LOL
“FactCheck is an Obama mouthpiece.
“Everything FactCheck says can be ignored.”
Textbook bullsh*t.
From the first Fact Check article I linked to:
“Whether or not Obama ‘lied’ is a matter we’ll leave to others to judge for themselves, since we have no way of reading minds or divining anyone’s intent. It is true that on Sept. 19 we called an Obama ad ‘a falsehood’ for saying McCain supported cutting Social Security benefits in half, and it is also true that on Sept. 22 we called another Obama ad ‘misleading’, because of the way it twisted McCain’s words about deregulating health insurance markets to allow policies to be purchased across state lines. And it is also true that ABC News’ Senior National Correspondent Jake Tapper said an Obama radio ad was ‘not true’, when it said McCain ‘opposed stem cell research’. (We also said that ad was ‘wrong’.)”
Sure. Sounds like an Obama mouthpiece to me. Fact Check is non-partisan, and in fact is most concerned with accuracy from all candidates, particularly both major presidential candidates. The reason for Franklin’s pronouncement, of course, is quite obvious. Franklin, as the classic Frankfurt bullsh*tter, has no interest in truth or reality, only in advancing his political perspective. When confronted with facts that are inconvenient, he simply says they are not true.
Reality with a “liberal bias” simply can not exist in Franklin’s world.
And indeed, Franklin both jumped the shark AND nuked the fridge with that one.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
“the so-called Homosexuals”
Hee hee hee heeeeeeeeee!
SO.. they arent REAL homosexuals? Just faking it?
Heh. I guess we MUST have risen in stature if people are FAKING “the gay” to get in….
nitwit
Agnatha – you have to understand that ANYTHING not approved by McCain is automatically coming from an Obama mouthpiece. At least in Paul-world anyway.
Heh, the bad Hemingway of knowitall would indicate the poster who posted it. And the sheer wingnuttia of it all makes me wonder….
Brenda? Terry fox? parkay?
Naw. I bet it’s mister Bad Hemingway himself!
Here is an image of a “Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama” born Aug 23, 1961, in CANADA:
http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm
Wow, it looks like they had high-quality laser printers in Canada in 1961.
Who knew?
Chas
The Declaration of Independence does mark the “birth” of the United States.
Try to think your questions through, before you ask them, ok?
Chas
You really are not very bright.
NOBODY has claimed that the Birth Certificate that OBAMA presented was anything BUT a RECENT “certified copy” —
Therefore, any charge of alteration or forgery, as well as any claim of validity, thus far, are in agreement that this document was produced rather recently, regardless of authenticity.
You really are a very weak opponent, when it comes to debate.
ksfarmgrrl,
Tell us, were you a lesbian before your marriage to your male husband? Or did you become one after the divorce?
In the first case, that would certainly be dishonesty with your husband…in the second it shows homosexuality is a choice.
A bad one!
killer
Study the law.
If your parents are past the age of majority by several years, and you are born out of the United States, then you are AUTOMATICALLY a “natural born citizen” of the United States.
Also, if you are born in a United States territory, like the “District of Panama” you are a “natural born citizen” of the United States.
McCain was challenged about HIS status, and McCain responded, with respect, to those challenges.
Obama’s mother was only 19, when Obama was born. Obama’s mother was NOT able to pass her citizenship, automatically, to Barrack Obama at birth. That is how the law reads. Obama had to be born on U.S. soil, due to the age of his mother, at his birth.
Again, my complaint against Obama is that he is a very, very arrogant man. This issue should have been dealt with, long ago. Instead, Obama is fighting in court to avoid producing a birth certificate. Why?
Also, even IF Obama were born in Hawaii, there are issues about dual-citizenship that might still cause a problem.
If Obama was adopted by his step-father, Soetoro, in Indonesia, Obama almost surely gave up his US Citizenship, when his name was changed from Barrack Hussein Obama to Barry Soetoro.
Another issue? Obama lied on his application to the Illinois Bar.
Obama claimed he had NEVER gone by any other name. This is clearly not true.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
Yeah, boxy is a real MASTER of what he thinks is the gotchya.
nitwit
Were you drunk last night when you were posting as knowitall?
Or just your usual bigoted self?
Or both?
I’ve explained that before. Do a bone dig. You’ll find it….
Hey boxie, were you stupid before you started posting here? If so, that’s really dishonest for not disclosing it.
If not, then it goes to show your stupidity is a choice.
BTW, have you stopped beating your wife?
Aganatha
Fact Check is funded by the Annenberg Foundation, Obama’s former employer, when Obama worked for the terrorist William Ayers.
They will come out against Obama when they have to, to “save” their reputations, but they often ignore his mistakes and lies.
Hee hee hee heeeee….
Still laughing at boxy.
My MALE husband? Heheheh. Is there anyother kind?
Redundant much?
nitwit
…and the Annenbergs are republicans. Mr. Annenberg was an ambassador in the raygun administration.
So… paulie is whining about a republican foundation run by republicans?
Color me shocked…
Rage
That Canadian Birth Cert was satire, of course, if you cared to read a little.
They were making fun of Daily Kos, since Kos obviously posted a doctored, altered Obama Birth Certificate.
There IS a birth announcement for a Barrack Hussein Muhammed Obama in BC, Canada, at about the same time.
Could be COMPLETELY different, who knows?
The point is that the media does not seem to care that KNOWBODY knows exactly where Obama was born.
Two DIFFERENT hospitals, in Hawaii, have “birth” information but no information on the mother. Why?
Sounds plausable that Obama was taken to the hospital, after he was born, in order to claim he was born in Hawaii!
Again, the fault with this story, and the lawsuit against Obama, lies clearly with Obama.
Obama is applying for a job.
It is OBAMA’s job to prove he is qualified for this job.
Obama should take these questions seriously, and answer them.
Instead, Obama posted a doctored, recent “copy” of his birth certificate on the internet. Obama refused to provide the court with an actual, certified copy.
Obama is arrogant.
He may very well be a “naturally born US Citizen” but he is one of the most arrogant citizens in history.
KFG
Do the Annenbergs have ANY control over the left wing Annenberg Foundation, today?
The answer, of course, is “NO”!
A left wing radical terrorist, William Ayers, has completely taken over that foundation. Its past, ancient history is not any indication of what the organization promotes, today.
You are being a bit inconsistent.
You say we can not judge Ayers by what he did, 40 years ago, but you want us to judge the Annenberg Foundation, based on what it WAS 40 years ago?
Paulie, yer an idiot.
The current president, chairman and sole director of the Foundation is Leonore Annenberg, widow of Ambassador Annenberg, and a former United States Chief of Protocol. Their daughter, Wallis Annenberg is the vice president.
Oh yeah, and the matriarch and head of the foundation is a mcsame supporter.
http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/biographies/biographies_list.htm?attrib_id=16977
nitwit
It must suck to be a wingnut today….
Except in Kansas!
Phantom
Posted October 13, 2008 at 8:10 am | Permalink
Why McCain campaign punches aren’t connecting?
Because he’s shadow boxing, throwing punches at non existent issues.
Today Billy Kristol says Mccain should fire his entire campaign leadership! LOL
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No. 1 reason????
Public Education.
That Canadian Birth Cert was satire, of course, if you cared to read a little.
Uhm, right.
And now Bill Ayers is in charge of Annenberg?
Now that’s funny!
“Franklin,” be careful –
I have a copy of Barack Obama’s real birth certificate.
It shows his address as the Spahn Movie Ranch in California.
Whoa, did I touch a nerve with our resident lesbian, the chicken farmer.
What was that, three posts…boom, boom, boom.
I use the term ‘male husband’ to make it clear to you, as you are obviously confused on that subject.
And also to others who may confuse the simple term ‘husband’ with your present arraignment.
If you are comfortable with that arraignment why are you so sensitive?
Mine was an honest question…when did you become a lesbian? Before marriage or after? We need some insight on that.
“He seems to be a man of all history, past, present and future depending on the script.
Post Script: One might note that Dudley Dooright signed Barack’s birth certificate, so we know this one is real too as it is posted online.”
Ah, good old Dudley Dooright of the RCMP. No wonder Paul fell for it!
“Annenberg, Ayers, Obama – The Chameleon Connection?”
or
“How Ayers along with Obama bilked the Annenberg Foundation out of tens of millions of dollars.”
Quite possibly, one of the most obfuscated relationships in today’s news is that between Weather Underground self-confessed terrorist and Barrack Hussein Obama, United States Senator.
Here is the unfolding story with many gaps; leopards changing their spots and blending into society from their radical pasts to that of “mainstream” America.
The Ayers-Obama connection first came to public attention last spring, when both Senator Hilary Rodham Clinton, Mr. Obama’s Democratic primary rival, and Mr. McCain brought it up. It became the subject of a television advertisement in August by the anti-Obama American Issues Project and drew new attention recently on The Wall Street Journal’s op-ed page and elsewhere as the archives of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge at the University of Illinois were opened to researchers. That project was part of a national school reform effort financed with $500 million from Walter H. Annenberg, the billionaire publisher and philanthropist and President Richard M. Nixon’s ambassador to the United Kingdom. Many cities applied for the Annenberg
money, and Mr. Ayers joined two other local education activists to lead a broad,
citywide effort that won nearly $50 million for Chicago.
In March 1995, Mr. Obama became chairman of the six-member board that oversaw the distribution of grants in Chicago.
One of the three co-authors of Chicago’s winning Annenberg Challenge $49.2 million grant proposal was:
William Ayers, associate professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago; co-director of the Small Schools Workshop; co-director of the Chicago Forum for
School Change—an affiliate of the Coalition of Essential Schools;[20] chairman of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCs) coalition;[21][22] former Chicago assistant deputy mayor for education (1989–1990);[22] brother of John Ayers, executive director (1994–2004) of Leadership for Quality Education (an affiliate of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago) and former associate director (1987–1994) of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; son of Thomas Ayers, former president (1964–1980), chairman and CEO (1973–1980) of Commonwealth Edison and former vice president (1980) of the Chicago School Board.
At a meeting with Simmons and Patricia Albjerg Graham, Deborah Leff suggested that Barack Obama would make a good board chairman.[37] After meeting and being impressed by Obama, Graham told Obama that she wanted him to be chairman of the Board of Directors.
[37] Obama said that he would agree to serve as chairman if Graham would be vice chairman, to which Graham agreed.
It was later in 1995 that Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn hosted the gathering, in their town house three blocks from Mr. Obama’s home, at which State Senator Alice J. Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced Mr. Obama to a few Democratic friends as her chosen successor. That was one of several such neighborhood events as Mr. Obama prepared to run, said A. J. Wolf, the 84-year-old emeritus rabbi.
One of Ayers’ staunch defenders in Chicago, Marilyn Katz, was part of the same SDS that
launched the Weather Underground — and who now works on Team Obama.
***The results of an August 2003 final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project by the Consortium on Chicago School Research “suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-
Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence.***
***So where did the money go that was to help the Chicago Schools?***
*****Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) translated Mr. Ayers’s radicalism into practice.
Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with “external partners,” which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or A.C.O.R.N). grants went to Obama’s community organizing alma mater, the Developing
Communities Project, where CAC’s goal was to turn parents into activists, because the family that agitates for socialism together, stays together***
Shipps, Dorothy; Sconzert, Karin; Swyers, Holly (March 1999). The Chicago Annenberg
Challenge: The first three years. Chicago: Consortium on Chicago School Research. Storch, Charles; Haynes, V. Dion (January 21, 1995). “Philanthropist puts his money on city schools”, Chicago Tribune, p. 1
Shaw, Jazz, (October 12th, 2008). “Let’s talk about Bill Ayers for a moment.
Rossi, Rosalind (January 24, 1995). “Schools get $49 million boost from Annenberg”, Chicago Sun-Times, p. 14
Shane, Scott, (October 3, 2008). “Obama and ’60s Bomber: A Look into crossed paths.”, New York Times
Smylie, Mark A.; Wenzel, Stacy A.; Allensworth, Elaine; Fendt, Carol; Hallman, Sara; Luppescu, Stuart; Nagaoka, Jenny (August 2003). “The Chicago Annenberg Challenge:
Successes, Failures, and Lessons for the Future”. Consortium on Chicago School Research.
KFG
You are wrong.
The Chicago Annenberg Challenge is ABSOLUTELY under the control of terrorist William Ayers, who HIRED Obama:
“On December 1, 1994, Ayers and Anne Hallett (who co-chaired the CSRC with Ayers) wrote to Gregorian. They wrote:
“Thank you for your letter of November 18, 1994. We are continuing to build a broad base of consensus and support for the main thrust of the proposal….We have given careful thought to the issues raised in your letter. We are working with Adele Simmons, Deborah Leff, and Pat Graham on issues of management and governance to ensure that Chicago’s Annenberg Challenge initiative is successful. We offer the following responses:….Board of Directors. A five-to-seven person Board of Directors of highly respected Chicagoans is being assembled. Pat Graham, president of the Spencer Foundation, has agreed to serve and is willing to work with the Board. The duties of the Board will be to approve grants, to help raising matching funds, and to hire the executive director….The Board and the Collaborative will reflect the racial and ethnic diversity of Chicago.”
Thus, it is clear from the contemporaneous written record of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, that Bill Ayers, who conceived and led the organization, submission and implementation of the CAC’s grant application, also played an active and direct role in the recruitment and formation of the CAC’s board of directors.
This is consistent with the fact that Ayers was the agent of the CSRC who applied for the grant. Ayers, thus, had formal responsibility for establishing the CAC as a result of receiving the grant from the national Annenberg Challenge via Vartan Gregorian. There is no written evidence that I have found indicating that Gregorian ever wrote or communicated separately with Leff or Graham where he asked them to take over that responsibility from Ayers.”
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/02/obamaayers-update-letters-indicate-ayers-role-in-obama-appointment-to-chicago-annenberg-challenge-board/
The link, above, will take you to the actual letters, written by Ayers and other members of the board.
There is more than one Foundation with the name “Annenberg” in its title.
They overlap, and do joint ventures. However, Ayers had complete control, control of a voting majority, on the CAC or Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
By the way, how about some RESULTS here?
Obama spent millions of dollars, in private financing, that pretty much went to “community organizing” and political purposes.
Chicago has one of the highest High School homicide rates in the nation.
Chicago has one of the highest High School drop out rates, in the nation.
25% of Chicago teachers make over $100,000.00 a year.
Most Chicago teachers, with school age children, send their OWN kids to PRIVATE schools.
Again, how about some RESULTS with all of this “education” money that Obama and terrorist Ayers were throwing around?
“Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach! Wild!”
Terrorist and Obama supporter Bernadine Dohnr, at a Flint, Michigan, Weathermen War Council in December 1969.
Bernadine Dohrn is married to terrorist William Ayers. Ayers and Dohrn held Obama’s first political “comming out” fundraising party, in their home!
Bernadine Dohrn sorry.
How many fans does Charlie Manson have? One of those fans, Bernadine Dohrn, helped make Obama’s career possible.
Paulie, Jesus WEPT!!!!
Their own website lists “who’s in control”.
Are you calling the Annenbergs liars?
Did you even click on the link?
Wow
Jesus boxlicker, I already explained all that the LAST time you thought you were clever on the subject. I advised you to do a bone dig.
And I would never refer to my wife as my husband.
project much?
KFG
Learn to READ!
Ayers PERSONALLY RECRUITED all of the board members of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a DIFFERENT foundation.
Ayers then installed Obama to run that political slush fund.
Ayers had enough pull, on the original Annenberg Foundation, to get a GRANT to form a NEW foundation, the CAC.
Ayers CONTROLLED the new foundation, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
Are you really that big of a dumbass or do you just play one on tv.
nevermind…
Sensitive? no. Out of patience with you? yes
nitwit
Nice try at switching horses paulie.
“Do the Annenbergs have ANY control over the left wing Annenberg Foundation, today?”
Note, here, the question I answered was…. wait for it… about the Annenberg Foundation. You were wrong about it.
NOW you want to talk about the Challenge?
hehehehehhehehehe.
I guess, if it’s all you got, and you are so investing in being “right” that you completely ignore the facts…
Carry on
They were correct about you above. You not only jumped the shark, you nudged the fridge too….
And KFG — are you trying to protect yourself or Obama?
Perhaps I should have been more specific about the PRECISE board or foundation, HOWEVER — as far as the Obama/Ayers connection, what the hell difference does it make?
Obama was a PAID EMPLOYEE of an Annenberg foundation that terrorist Ayers controlled!
Ayers PERSONALLY RECRUITED all of the board members of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a DIFFERENT foundation.
Ayers then installed Obama to run that political slush fund.
Ayers had enough pull, on the original Annenberg Foundation, to get a GRANT to form a NEW foundation, the CAC.
Ayers CONTROLLED the new foundation, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
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What are the criminal charges?
List the nature and number of indictments
List the convictions
List the prison terms
Neither paulie.
You asked a question, and I showed you were wrong. Again.
And then you tried to change the question.
Like Tracy used to say…
Pitiful. Just pitiful.
Hey
Didnt Obama benefit from the Mark Foley scandal?
Well, guess what, the Democrat that REPLACED Foley now has a scandal of his own to deal with:
Sex scandal involves local congressman
Washington, D.C. – Rep. Tim Mahoney has paid $121,000 to a former mistress who worked on his staff and had sued him after he threatened her job when she tried to end the relationship, former and current staff aides told ABC News on Monday.
Mahoney, D-Fla., won his congressional seat in 2006 after Republican Rep. Mark Foley was forced to resign in the wake of a scandal involving a congressional page.
His district includes part of the Bay Area in Highlands County.
According to ABC News, Mahoney, who is married, started the affair with Patricia Allen while campaigning against Foley on a morality platform. Allen came on to his staff after he won the election in 2006, but when complaints about the affair surfaced, Mahoney moved Allen to the campaign staff, aides told the broadcast network.
ABC reported Allen tried to break off the affair after learning Mahoney was supposedly cheating on her and his wife with other women. In response, he threatened her job.
“You work at my pleasure,” Mahoney told Allen in a taped Jan. 20, 2008, telephone call played for Mahoney staffers, ABC reported. (More at FoxNews.com)”
Look here for an audio of Democrat Mahoney threatening his former employee:
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7635165&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
Rahm Emanuael was involed in trying to pay off this women, to keep this story quiet!
Will this hurt Obama in Florida? LOL!!!
annie
Nice try.
If McCain or Palin had a political fundraiser in the home of a former KKK member, would it matter that such a meeting was perfectly legal?
Of course not!
Obama had a political fundraiser in the HOME OF TERRORISTS William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn!
Hee hee hee heeeeee…
Paulie is a serial subject changer.
He gets no traction with the obama as a terrorist and associate of terrorists so… he goes to sex scandals.
Not a smart move with repukes, because, ya know, they kinda have a lock on that one.
You were better off with the “obama is a Manson supporter” meme.
Actually, “Franklin” –
I think Charlie Manson controls the Annenberg Foundation.
Heheheh Monkeyhawk.
The foundation? Or the challenge?
Ya gotta be clear with paulie.
What are the criminal charges?
List the nature and number of indictments
List the convictions
List the prison terms
Hey, not to change the subject, but…
I thought Charlie Manson was in charge of ACORN?
Or was it Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Like Prine says…
“Pretty good, not bad, I cant complain. But actually, all them gods are just about the same.”
No wonder he cant keep them straight.
econ posted October 12, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Obama launched his political career in the home of Ayers and Dohrn.
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econ posted October 13, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Ayers and Dohrn held Obama’s first political “comming out” fundraising party, in their home!
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econ posted October 13, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Obama had a political fundraiser in the HOME OF TERRORISTS William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn!
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Oh my GAWD! That definitely makes Obama an evil TERRORIST!
Millions of Americans switched their vote from Obama to McCain, because of econ’s posts.
econ, you should add this to your incredibly lame attacks,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/files/screamthe.jpg
‘Not a radical group, and Ayers didn’t run it‘
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/790/
annie
Bernadine Dohrn WAS convicted of terrorist related charges.
This is why Dohrn has never been allowed to sit for the bar exam, though she does have a law degree.
William Ayers, on the other hand, got off on a legal technicality.
Ayers BRAGS about his terrorist activity, in his own book, “fugitive days” — and Ayers was promoting his book, in the NYT, on 9-11-01!
kfg posts;
“And I would never refer to my wife as my husband.”
Okay….good, or whatever.
I wish you and your wife, and your wife and her wife much happiness.
Did I say that right? It’s very confusing.
“It’s very confusing.”
Only to a bigot.
Or a nitwit.
cosmos
The Chicago Annenburg Challenge gave money to ACORN.
Game
Set
Match
Paul – a link posted the other day showed the prosecutor in the Ayers case saying it was a whole lot more than a ‘legal technicality’
But keep up the good work anyway.
I give money to ACORN
Game
Set
Match
I think we need to give acorns to Franklin; thery’re very important to him!
econ posted October 13, 2008 at 2:39 pm
The Chicago Annenburg Challenge gave money to ACORN.
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econ forgot to include the icon that tells us to be horrified about that.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/files/screamthe.jpg
“Only to a bigot”
If adhering to principal and what is decent is being a “bigot”, then fine, I’ll wear that proudly.
Ever wonder why the government has never gone after Dorhn or Ayers since then?
Could be the government did a little bombing itself and lay blame on the Weathermen. Tin foil? Sure. But not all that unlikely given the times. Why haven’t they pursued murder charges against them??
OK boxie, we’ll just call you bigotbox from now on.
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 13, 2008 at 6:50 pm | Permalink
Ever wonder why the government has never gone after Dorhn or Ayers since then?
Could be the government did a little bombing itself and lay blame on the Weathermen. Tin foil? Sure. But not all that unlikely given the times. Why haven’t they pursued murder charges against them??
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Break out the tinfoil hats!
The loonys are in town.
Not a radical group, and Ayers didn’t run it‘
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/790/
Sounds almost like Wichita’s Radical Magnet School Program!
Did Fannie and Freddie give money to ACORN? Or, visa-versa?
Enquiring minds want to know.