“After 20 years of column writing, I’m familiar with angry mail,” wrote Kathleen Parker. “But the past few days have produced responses of a different order. Not just angry, but vicious and threatening.” The responses were to Parker’s column last week in which she decided that Sarah Palin is out of her league.
“Some of my usual readers feel betrayed because I previously have written favorably of Palin,” Parker wrote. “By changing my mind and saying so, I am viewed as a traitor to the Republican Party – not a ‘true’ conservative.
“Obviously, I’m not employed by the GOP. If I were, it’s seriously in arrears. But what is a true conservative? One who doesn’t think or question and who marches in lockstep with The Party?”
Meanwhile, most voters seem to be agreeing with Parker. An AP-Gfk poll released Wednesday found that only 25 percent of likely voters believe Palin has the right experience to be president, down from 41 percent just after the GOP convention. In a Washington Post-ABC News poll, 85 percent of voters said Palin does not have the requisite experience to be president.
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The level of vitriol was revealing …
Not surprising. I think stuff one sees here is a proxy for the desperation in conservative circles.
In case Ms. Parker missed my post before, here it is again.
(chortles)
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Regular
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Like the little girl that didn’t get the pony for her birthday, partially employed columnist Kathleen Parker rails against Governor Sarah Palin.
After all, it’s about attitude isn’t it Ms. Parker? When is the last time you told a Governor of a state they weren’t ready or qualified to be President? Could it be that Ms. Parker doesn’t know how to measure success or stature unless it has a penis attached to it?
It appears that Ms. Parker has used the Couric standard as a caliper. I mean surely you jest, weren’t all the naysayers of Katie Couric saying the same thing when she was appointed the anchor of CBS news? Look at Katie Couric now. I mean Katie even has ‘epeen’ and can flop it out like a big dog in the men’s room of politics.
Perhaps this ‘penis envy’ syndrome of Governor Palin by Kathlenn Parker will pass as soon as the back order on that birthday pony comes in to settle old heart breaks.
Until then Kathleen Parker, “bless your wittle heart.” :)
JOE SIXPACK AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
If her own people do not think she can handle the press what in the heck is she doing accepting the nomination for Vice President?
Everyone it seems is worried about her performance in the debate????
EVEN if she shows well in the debate………
How about?
SARAH PALIN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
Given McCains age and health history she could in deed become Commander in Chief.
DEBATE WORRIES?????
What about Dealing with our economy or the security of our country? Is this serious?
I DO NOT WANT A JOE SIXPACK AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
Ho hum, the usual hated from Regular.
Dennis
The Palin rose is paling. After tonight, it’ll be withered.
Kansas GOP party members ought to be questioning the judgement of McCain.
How does McCain figure tax payers can afford one more day invading and occupying the mideast?
As of this moment the repub VP is under investigation for impeachable offenses in Alaska so said radio news today. She was under investigation at the request of republicans when she was chosen.
McCain judgement is impaired a great deal.
Bush and Cheney sent two lawyers to Alaska to squash the investigation instead of allowing Palin to answer to the charges in a court of law. The never ending republican criminal activity
beginning with Watergate,Iran Contra,Savings and Loan rip off plus much more never ceases to amaze me. The republican party stands behind this crap.
Meanwhile, most voters seem to be agreeing with Parker. An AP-Gfk poll released Wednesday found that only 25 percent of likely voters believe Palin has the right experience to be president, down from 41 percent just after the GOP convention.
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A very effective, unfair and frankly despicable campaign by the loony left and their PR arm at the MSM.
Haven’t seen anything questioning the savior Obama’s lack of experience int he MSM. Surprise.
Oh well, Palin can change all that tonight. One thing for certain, she will have to earn it. She will get no softball’s from Obama biographer and stakeholder Gwen Ifill.
“Haven’t seen anything questioning the savior Obama’s lack of experience int he MSM. Surprise.” — outlander
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A google search found:
Results 1 – 10 of about 34,000,000 for obama experienced enough. (0.10 seconds)
The referenced article of this thread states, “That we have become a partisan nation is no secret.” IF we were to look and be willing to read, would we find exactly what we claim isn’t there?
If the Moose-Dresser came out on stage and bit into the throat of a newborn kitten and sucked its blood out, one of the CONs on this forum would post something like:
“Well, a lot of those kittens grow up to suck the air out of babies, so it’s a good thing.”
Isn’t this pretty much standard conservative operating procedure: If you have a weak candidate who looks pretty sorry in the harsh light of the MSM, you then attack of the media for being unfair. Those folks are nothing, if not very predictable.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 2, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
If the Moose-Dresser came out on stage and bit into the throat of a newborn kitten and sucked its blood out, one of the CONs on this forum would post something like:
“Well, a lot of those kittens grow up to suck the air out of babies, so it’s a good thing.”
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And Obama walked on water.
Steven, that too is in the thread referenced lead-in article.
“Some of Palin’s interview responses can’t even be critiqued on their merits because they’re so nonsensical. But even that is someone else’s fault, say Palin supporters: The media make her uncomfortable.”
outlander posted October 2, 2008 at 12:38 pm
“She will get no softball’s from Obama biographer and stakeholder Gwen Ifill.”
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outlander plays both the ‘attack the media’ and ‘attack the ref’ games.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/02/america/moderator.php
“Ifill and her book, about the new generation of post-civil-rights-era black leaders, have become a fresh object of outrage on conservative talk radio, blogs and cable news ever since a right-leaning Web site, WorldNetDaily, posted an article late Tuesday with the headline, “VP debate moderator Ifill releasing pro-Obama book.”
Ifill said in an interview that she began writing the book in spring 2007, long before Obama seemed likely to win the Democratic nomination. She said she had yet to write the chapter she plans to devote to Obama and differed with descriptions of her book as “pro-Obama.”
“Since I haven’t finished the book, it’s interesting people think they know what’s in it,” she said.”
Parker and Brownlee are focusing on this election too narrowly. The fact is that all four of the candidates are out of their collective leagues. I don’t think very many people will be actually voting for a candidate this election. I think they will be voting for a party platform and philosophy and then praying for divine intervention.
“….The Age of Obama”
Yeah Cosmos. She will probably trash the brother.
If 25% of voters think she’s qualified, and 43% will be voting for the ticket, does that mean that 18% don’t care if the VP is qualified or not?
” 25% of voters think she’s qualified, and 43% will be voting for the ticket, does that mean that 18% don’t care if the VP is qualified or not?”
No, I’m going with 18% don’t know what a Vice President is, but vote anyway!
Considering that the republicans’ greatest terror over the last four years has been Hillary, knowing that she had the respect of most of the women voters, I’m sure that they were greatly relieved at Obama’s nomination and his selection of Biden as running mate. So they decided to one-up the democrats by nominating a woman VP. What the republican leadership has never understood is that women are smarter than that! A vote for Hillary doesn’t translate into a vote for Palin. The republicans have always viewed women as interchangeable- “You can’t tell the difference in the dark”-so they assumed that any woman on the ticket would satisfy the Hillary supporters and chose the Moose-Gooser, a former Miss Congeniality with five kids and a shotgun as their ideal woman. “She wears D cups- what other qualifications do you need?”
Yes, the Hillary supporters saw a woman on the ticket and were intrigued until Palin opened her mouth. Palin didn’t say a word about any of the issues that mattered to them except to violently oppose anyone supporting their reproductive rights, had bought into the good-old-boys network, went shopping on taxpayers money and came across as the architypal ditz. They aren’t buying her as their candidate.
WAR,
“Divine intervention” wont be enough to help someone who insists that being Gov of Alaska enhances her foreign policy credentials. It wont be enough to help someone who claims that 1.5 MILLION acres is a just a “little 2,000-acre plot”.
“outlander” offers –
“She will probably trash the brother.”
Or she will obviously favor the woman.
Here we have another piece of evidence of the CONs’ racist desperation.
The full title of Ifill’s book is:
The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama and is a perspective from an African American journalist about the progress of African American politicians, one of whom happens to be the Democratic candidate for President of the United States of America.
To keep it out of the realm of persuading one side or another, it’s not going to be published until Inauguration Day, 2009. And, according to Ifill, she hasn’t even written the chapter on Obama yet.
Were Obama to lose, the chapter will take an ironic twist. I’m sure.
But no one, not even Ms. Ifill knows what the book-in-progress, that was announced last July, might become.
Except for the CON spin-meisters, of course. They know everything. And when have CON spin-meisters ever been wrong about anything?
You CONs are just looking, grasping, hoping for some reason to set your hair on fire and run screaming down the street.
She’s more qualified to be Vice President than Obama is to be President.
Gwen “In-the-tank-for-Obama” Ifill best mind her p’s and q’s tonight.
“She will get no softball’s from Obama biographer and stakeholder Gwen Ifill.”
And just like clockword, there’s outlander, trying to work the refs with a little pre-emptive snivelling downloaded from Little Lulu.
The girl CF2K took to the prom–who, it should be noted, has held up a lot better than HE has–sent along this here link, urging everybody to play along at home tonight.
http://palinbingo.com/
Let’s see Bible Spice bring the noise.
Yesterday I opined that Ifill would be fair to Palin since her blatant conflict of interest has been exposed and she would be under the microscope.
It’s the principle, or lack thereof, that bothers me.
KSGolfnut,
Let her prove it by holding a press conference.
Oh, and KSGolfnut? What with the “Indian Summer” keeping the temperatures up and all, how’s your “choice” of heterosexuality holding up? Stay strong: as the thermometer drops, all those young dudes will be covering up.
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CF2K
Posted October 2, 2008 at 1:58 pm | Permalink
KSGolfnut,
Let her prove it by holding a press conference.
Oh, and KSGolfnut? What with the “Indian Summer” keeping the temperatures up and all, how’s your “choice” of heterosexuality holding up? Stay strong: as the thermometer drops, all those young dudes will be covering up.
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How’s that dog rape charge coming along CF2K?
Banged any schnauzers lately?
outlander,
“Conflict of interest?” What, that Gwen Ifill is African-American and so is Obama? That she’s writing a book about African-American politicians and Obama is an African-American?
Keep bleating, outlander.
architypal ditz.
Please don’t disrespect ditzes. Sarah Palin can only aspire to be that high in the heirarchy.
Tom Brokaw is moderator of the Oct. 7 debate, and his recent actions show a pro-McCain bias.
She’s more qualified to be Vice President than Obama is to be President.
If you mean breaking a promise to your consituents about appearing before a State Congressional Investigation and then refusing to testify a qualification, you’re right.
If you mean having the word “impeachment” connected to your name as qualification, you’re right.
No CF. I hope you are just pretending to be dense. But I will go through the exercise.
The conflict it is thus. If Obama wins, Ifill has a much better chance of selling a lot of books than if he loses. Period. Irrefutable.
Apparently, the right-wing meme is that Ifill will somehow throw the debate to Biden because she wants to elect a president who will help the sales of her book, presumably Obama.
Think about that a moment. We’re in two wars abroad, both going badly (sorry, the “surge” and ceasefires took us from horrendous to merely bad). Our economy is melting down before our eyes. And so on.
So: Gwen Ifill is more concerned about the short-term profit of one book.
Ignoring the future of the country in favor of personal short-term greed, a plausible motivation? In the minds of some perhaps.
How poignantly appropriate.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 2, 2008 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
Tom Brokaw is moderator of the Oct. 7 debate, and his recent actions show a pro-McCain bias.
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Does Brokaw have any personal financial gain from McCain like Ifill will have?
Naw, didn’t think so. Go milk your goat somewhere else.
Ifil is a woman, too, so couldn’t she be rooting for Palin as much as she is for Obama?
“The conflict it is thus. If Obama wins, Ifill has a much better chance of selling a lot of books than if he loses. Period. Irrefutable.”
Period? Irrefutable? Well, outlander, we can’t really say that for sure until Gwen Ifill’s book actually GOES on sale. And we’ll NEVER be able to say whether it sells more or fewer books than would have been sold had the other outcome come to pass.
So you’re mistaken, outlander. What you’re calling “irrefutable” is actually “indemonstrable.” Which is precisely the sort of proposition that you like, isn’t it outlander? Means you get to say whatever you like without ever having to be demosntrated to be in the wrong.
But do keep up the whining, outlander. We can see that it’s kind of all you have.
She didn’t chose to be a woman, she didn’t chose to be black, but she did chose to write a book about race and Obama…I think it is a conflict to host a debate when writing a book involving one of the candidates.
Does McCain regret his choice of moderator, or VP?
Keep in mind McCain approved Ifill as moderator. I’m sure he doesn’t want to be called a flip-flopper.
I’m getting a kick out of CF’s denial of the obvious conflict of interest.
Can you imagine a book named for a loser of presidential elections doing well? ….”Politics in the Age of Dukakis”, Election Tactics in the Reign of Mondale”.
As has already been posted, the book will be about the progress of African-American politicians; one chapter of the book will be about Sen. Obama. To say the book is about Sen. Obama exclusively is balderdash.
Again, from the links posted yesterday, the book was no secret, and knowledge thereof was public at least 14 days before agreement on the debate moderators. Additionally, there was a Washington Post article published about the book and its author on Sept. 4. No reaction from the McCain camp in either instance.
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outlander
Posted October 2, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink
I’m getting a kick out of CF’s denial of the obvious conflict of interest.
Can you imagine a book named for a loser of presidential elections doing well? ….”Politics in the Age of Dukakis”, Election Tactics in the Reign of Mondale”.
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You forgot two of the most recent ones,
“How Gore lost his Mojo”
“Modification of Swift Boats and Kerry Politics”
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avtolle
Posted October 2, 2008 at 2:40 pm | Permalink
As has already been posted, the book will be about the progress of African-American politicians; one chapter of the book will be about Sen. Obama. To say the book is about Sen. Obama exclusively is balderdash.
Again, from the links posted yesterday, the book was no secret, and knowledge thereof was public at least 14 days before agreement on the debate moderators. Additionally, there was a Washington Post article published about the book and its author on Sept. 4. No reaction from the McCain camp in either instance.
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Only one chapter…
Most books will sell because of one chapter if people are interested in reading it.
The book is now hyped because of the one chapter on Obama.
Those dirty socks won’t come white even with bleach.
. . . does not have the requisite experience to be president.
Of course, the person that most applies to is the top of the Democratic ticket. But that doesn’t fit the approved media narrative. Curious, isn’t it?
And none of that lessens the conflict of interest Vaughn. The book is titled for Obama!
As I said, it’s fine now that this has come out for Ifill to serve as moderator.
But it is still a conflict and an appearance of impropriety (heard that one before) that should have led her to decline the gig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgVSW-KhJb4 So Palin according to KArl Rove isnt qualified to be president either
TomPaine
Posted October 2, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgVSW-KhJb4 So Palin according to KArl Rove isnt qualified to be president either
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Psssssst! She’s not running for president.
GMC, do a google search on articles related to experience of the candidate you think isn’t given enough scrutiny.
After outlander claimed upthread: “Haven’t seen anything questioning the savior Obama’s lack of experience int he MSM. Surprise,” I did just that and found:
Results 1 – 10 of about 34,000,000 for obama experienced enough. (0.10 seconds)
Maybe you would search differently.
Outlander, why was she agreed to by the McCain side on August 6? What I’m trying to say simply is that why should she decline the gig over a conflict of interest if both sides agree to her serving as the moderator. As to appearance of impropriety, guess I don’t see that in a VP candidate debate setting.
Pre,
“architypal ditz.
Please don’t disrespect ditzes. Sarah Palin can only aspire to be that high in the heirarchy.”
My apologies to the ditzes of the world. I admit it, that was a low blow. It won’t happen again.
Kathleen Parker says; “But what is a true conservative? One who doesn’t think or question and who marches in lockstep with The Party?”
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For those who still haven’t gotten it, that is what is so appealing about Sarah Palin. She is different and doesn’t march in lockstep with any party, not even hers.
I doubt that the democrats could say that about any of their candidates and sadly to say, even their constituents. I mean this whole debate tonight is just a big sham. Here we have the moderator who is so biased, she has already written a book about the Obama Age.
I for one, most likely many other Americans too, hope to see Palin take her and Biden out. btw – Can anyone tell me, what is Biden supposed to be facing tonight??! It seems as though the MSM have forgotten all about that one or could it be that they know he is just not worth mentioning.
“Those dirty socks won’t come white even with bleach.”
Just what this election needs- another blatently racist insult from Reggie!
Want a deeper analysis and thought about the Couric interview, both with Palin and Biden? Or want to stick to the talking point that “she did bad?” That’s OK, as far as it goes, but there’s lots more there. And Uncle Joe was equally bad, perhaps worse, though for different reasons, and you’ll never catch it listening to the talking heads.
If you’d like to broaden your horizons (from a couple of law professors):
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_09_28-2008_10_04.shtml#1222968549
I am puzzled by a few things about Sarah Palin’s and Joseph Biden’s responses to Katie Couric’s questions about Roe v. Wade and federalism.
Go see what he’s puzzled about; Biden, the constitutional law “expert,” got it spectacularly wrong, though the press isn’t bright enough (or interested enough) to know that.
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http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/10/katie-couric-invites-viewers-to-admire.html
Wondering where the follow-up questions are to the “conscensus” answer about Roe, Althouse writes:
Let me suggest a few: Why is that a consensus? And should the Supreme Court be serving up consensus and calling it constitutional law? If you say the case is good because it is consensus, then why would it not have been preferable to allow the democratic processes to play out and produce consensus? Why should courts impose consensus? And why are you praising the lines drawn in Roe, when the Court redrew the lines in Planned Parenthood v. Casey? “It says in the first three months that decision should be left to the woman”… ahem… that hasn’t been the doctrine since 1992!
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Go ahead, read. If not, just keep lapping up the MSM’s gruel.
” 25% of voters think she’s qualified, and 43% will be voting for the ticket, does that mean that 18% don’t care if the VP is qualified or not?”
18% are probably waiting to have just what it is that a v.p. does,explained, before they make a commitment to her qualifications.
Imagine that! The liberals in the media have been pounding on Palin’s experience for the last few weeks and the poll numbers of those who think she has experience has gone down…
Duh.
Now if only the media had spent even half this much time questioning Obama’s experience I wonder if his poll numbers would go down to?
This is one reason why I hardly ever pay attention to polls.
Nathaniel
Posted October 2, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
Imagine that! The liberals in the media have been pounding on Palin’s experience for the last few weeks and the poll numbers of those who think she has experience has gone down…
Duh.
Now if only the media had spent even half this much time questioning Obama’s experience I wonder if his poll numbers would go down to?
Uh, Nathan … THEY DID!
lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
“Haven’t seen anything questioning the savior Obama’s lack of experience int he MSM. Surprise.” — outlander
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A google search found:
Results 1 – 10 of about 34,000,000 for obama experienced enough. (0.10 seconds)
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lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink
GMC, do a google search on articles related to experience of the candidate you think isn’t given enough scrutiny.
After outlander claimed upthread: “Haven’t seen anything questioning the savior Obama’s lack of experience int he MSM. Surprise,” I did just that and found:
Results 1 – 10 of about 34,000,000 for obama experienced enough. (0.10 seconds)
Maybe you would search differently.
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Um Linda… How many of those hits are MSM references and how many are negative?
Get back to me soon as you can.
Ifill will probably ask Palin, ‘What position could you see for Mr. Obama in your administration’, and Palin will apply with a zinger ‘He could be my personal chauffeur’.
Palin spoke of international experienecs by reason of the proximity of Canada and Russia. She has reduced Alaskas’ place in the Northern Forum to “observer” status from full membership. (NYT. Oct. 1/08) The Northern Forum consists of 24 sub-national or regional governments from 10 countries near the Arctic Circle (Russia, Canada, China, Iceland,Finland, the US etc.,)whose purpose is to discuss/share mutual topics of interest and improve the life and create sustainable development of Northern Peoples. The board of governors come from regional political entities of those nations and Palin was one of the Governors. Palin gave no reason I know of for truncating Alaskas’ place in that regional association, but it flies in the face of “international experience” enthusiam.
GMC, may I suggest that this about which you post is above the ken of the typical layperson?
Both blogs raise interesting points about Sen. Biden’s responses to Ms Couric and her failure to follow up. While that may suggest that she and other MSM folks are in the pocket of the Democrats, I have a feeling it is simpler than that. She did not have adequate preparation to follow up. Her fault? Entirely. The issues raised in the links raise a few more thoughts:
First, with reference to the Roe discussion; what Sen. Biden said was accurate as to the benchmarks set out in Justice Blackmun’s opinion. While Planned Parenthood v. Casey changed the doctrine, as noted, I wonder how many folks other than those who follow the SCOTUS opinions realize that.
Second, Sen. Biden’s comments about “consensus” were remarkable. I’ll leave it there.
Third, on Volkoh’s federalism arguments, all of which are well reasoned and well articulated, the issue does depend upon whether one believes there is an inherent right to privacy or not; if there is, then action at the federal level is appropriate; if there is not, then action at the state level is appropriate. Sen. Biden clearly holds the opinion that there is such a right.
Fourth, on the federal Violence against Women Act about which Sen. Biden is proud, and a provision of which was found unconstitutional based on federalism principles (Congressional overreaching, for shorthand), I hold the opinion that this is, once again, an argument that is “over the head” of both media members as well as the general public. Federalizing a tort made no sense to me when the Act was passed, and still does not.
GMC,
Every post on this thread, and most others, shows me posters have differing perspectives from which they draw their opinions. If we begin by looking from our own perspective we rarely see what another beginning with their own does as clearly.
I’m not less than you in any way, just another example of our different perspectives / opinions / conclusions.
usatoday
foxnews
news.yahoo.com
abcnews
washingtonpost
huffingtonpost
nypost
msnbc.msn
vanityfair
guardian.co.uk/world/
philly.com/inquirer
cbsnews
boston.com
Since I have no clue what you consider MSM, here are a few. Your opinion of me or my posts doesn’t make me wrong or you right btw. I see no reason we can’t be respectful of one another.
So really whats so fantastic about Palins exp. of all the possible candidates she’s the best one. and no one explained how Karl Rove thinks that Tim Kaine isnt qualified for VP but somehow Mrs Palin is? And whats so great about McCains, from 17 to 72 hes had one employer. Hell Mrs McCain has more executive exp than her Husband.
Ive had a Russian Girlfriend, and shook Boris Yeltsin hand guess I’m an expert on foreign affairs
From what I’ve read, most MSM reports of experience examine the question. Why would there be need of examination if there wasn’t the question?
Go see what he’s puzzled about; Biden, the constitutional law “expert,” got it spectacularly wrong, though the press isn’t bright enough (or interested enough) to know that.
You’re comparing an argument between two lawyers about a Supreme Court decision (wherein–newsflash!–the justices often accuse each other being spectacularly wrong) to a candidate who couldn’t even name a decision other than Roe.
That could be treated as an aberration or a brain fart, were this not a recurring pattern with Ms. Palin, who in the Alaska Governor’s debate could not name a single piece of legislation she favored or opposed.
Then we have Outlander, who presumes that writing a book with “Obama” in the title makes her so financially invested in his election that she will set aside any concerns about her reputation as a PBS journalist, or any knowledge of how the right wing is already concluding she threw the debate before it even happened (is that like John McCain declaring victory before his debate even happened?).
Oh, and I almost forgot, that little thing about the future of the country. . .
Desperation is an ugly thing to behold. :(
What upsets and offends me the most is that we, the American citizens, should get the BEST and BRIGHTEST for the two highest seats in the land. I want talent and intelligence. I want critical thinkers. We deserve that, don’t we? WHY THE HELL AREN’T WE DEMANDING IT?
I mean, instead, we get…a cute lil’ Fundie hockey mom from Alaska who can barely fumble through a ’softball’ interview with perky Katie Couric. Isn’t that just the slightest bit insulting to anyone else?
WHOKNOWS – simple. We dig so much for personal dirt that many don’t run. In effect, we select AGAINT intelligence in the process.
Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
Gwen “In-the-tank-for-Obama” Ifill best mind her p’s and q’s tonight
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Don’t you really mean ‘in her place’?
VT, As a nonlawyer, I nonetheless perfectly understand the argument when you talk about “federalizing a tort.” I may not grasp all the nuances of civil liability, or even all the arguments for or against state v. federal jurisdiction, but it doesn’t take a juris doctorate to grasp the basic issues.
Someone should ask Palin what she thinks.
Sad, but true. :(
CYNTHIA!!! HE HE KO KO!!
McKinney Accuses Government of Slaughtering Prisoners, Dumping Bodies During Katrina
WASHINGTON: Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney claims the Department of Defense executed 5,000 prisoners with one bullet to the head and then dumped their bodies in a Louisiana swamp during Hurricane Katrina.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/02/mckinney-accuses-government-slaughtering-prisoners-dumping-bodies-katrina/
That’s your canidate KFG?
Easy question WHO. The “best and brightest” would not want to expose themselves and their families to the horrible partisan treatment that candidates receive. There are no standards of decency or lines that won’t be crossed by political cretins.
And we reap what they sow.
Here’s something the two debating tonight share.
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Biden to Speak at Son’s Deployment Ceremony
Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden will speak Friday in Dover, Del., at the deployment ceremony for his 39-year-old son Beau, who is headed to Iraq as part of a unit of soldiers from the Delaware National Guard.
“I’m proud, but I have to admit to you, I wish he wasn’t going, I wish he wasn’t going,” the Delaware senator told Entertainment Tonight in an interview this week.
Biden’s wife, Jill, in the same interview, said “there is a lot pride,” but added, “there’s not a morning that I open my eyes that I don’t say a prayer that he comes home safely.”
I found this old video of Palin during an older debate. Quite convincing, actually.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Well gee whiz, Palin is adding even MORE (non)experience to her resume:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/2/15284/8900?detail=f
Color me shocked and appalled.
Rage, my comment about “federalizing a tort” was an expression of my opinion, not that folks in general would not understand it. Rather, it was the argument being made by Althouse about the questions that Ms. Couric should have asked that I believe to be beyond the grasp of those mentioned.
This is Sarah launch control.
At this time, the Governor is enjoying a light meal. This is done to ensure that her stomach is clear at debate time thus lessening any chance that the Governor will toss her cookies. After dining the Governor will take one of many scheduled restroom brakes, check in with Trig’s nanny, and then have a short nap.
T minus 3 hours 47 minutes and counting. This is Sarah launch control.
Rather, it was the argument being made by Althouse about the questions that Ms. Couric should have asked that I believe to be beyond the grasp of those mentioned.
Oh. Okay.
BlueJay, weren’t you considering CYNTHIA? You two seem to have the same mindset.
Dailykos hmm… Never mind WHO. You didn’t really want to ask a question. And you know all about political cretins.
Here’s something the two debating tonight share.
True enough, Linda. Maybe they not have to share such a burden for that much longer, and may their kin come back in good shape, body and mind.
I gotta agree with you Rage. Vaughn is a little condescending there.
Dems, Libs, Libertarians, and others who are appalled about Palin: back off. Linda has the right idea.
American already knows. This is a train wreck in progress. We can afford to be magnaminous.
And, unfortunately, there’s a bigger train wreck as the subtext, and the crap bill that will be passed is, at best, a band-aid on a severed artery.
And the next president, whoever it is, is going to be greated with a steaming pile waiting in the Oval Office.
BlueJay sings…
View to a Kill
Rage posted: “And the next president, whoever it is, is going to be greated with a steaming pile waiting in the Oval Office.”
I could not agree more, which underlies my thought stated much earlier that whoever is elected president in 2008 will likely be a one term president.
Latest poll show the game changer palin/mccain pulling 38 % of women’s votes, 55% for Obama/biden.
Also read in Wed. paper there’s a nearly 25% actuarial chance mccain wouldn’t live out a first term.
America needs a ‘turnaround expert’, but it ain’t mccain. Unless his first action is to lock up his lobbyist/campaign staff.
vt – the question there is can he get the bitter medicine through and see some results by 2012?
Wonder if mccain has released the outcome of the palin/biden debate yet?
outlander- actually, I’m an independant (more of a bystander to a trainwreck, really, since neither party interests me).
BlueJay
Posted October 2, 2008 at 4:28 pm | Permalink
BlueJay sings…
View to a Kill
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I hope Palin goes right for Biden’s pump station.
Vaughn: I reread your post and concluded that you weren’t trying to be condescending. I apologize for the accusation.
bth, it depends upon who wins, and the makeup of the new Congress. I can imagine situations where the bitter medicine is proposed by Sen. McCain and the new Congress, heavily Democratic, would approve; and I can imagine the opposite situation as well. Same for Sen. Obama.
It seems to me that both candidates’ hands are being tied a bit by the bailout/rescue plan as to tax legislation, domestic policies; and, depending upon what happens in Iraq, Afghanistan, and who knows where, this, too, could alter or totally block the plans of both in ways not foreseeable.
McCain and Obama have demonstrated courage and the utmost in leadership quality’s thus far into the race. We really should have a “joining together” of sorts and let them run as Co-President’s (they will manage the coming disaster in the same manner seperately after all). They are underscored by the same unchanging policies (”I think”, that is, they aren’t really clear on their strategy’s for anything). AND! We’d get the added bonus (when both combine) of making one brain that functions almost as well as a single thought of Dr. Pauls’.
It just may work…
Outlander, no problem. Upon a reread of what I wrote, I can certainly understand your initial reaction.
very true. and, with the partisanship as bad as it is I don’t know that a Congress on one party would cooperate with a presiednt of the other
For my part, I’m going to pester my congressfolks (including McCain and his waterboy, Jon Kyl) to revisit the bailout right after the election–waiting ’til January won’t cut it. I will pester the president-elect as well (who’s looking like Obama at the moment).
And they will very likely ignore me, but I will have tried.
P.S. That’s assuming the House passes it, which may not happen.
If he can change the mo, he could have a shot at a 2nd term, to continue follow through. To have a complete reversal would be awesome, buy improbable.
Hey bj. What are you smoking? Palin-Biden is not a fair fight anymore than Custer at the little Bighorn was. Biden is in big trouble as Sarah will show him up for the clown he really is. All your big talk and false bravado is to mask the fact that your side is scared big time. And they should be.
Sen. Joe Biden was one of only 5 senators to vote against the first Alaskan pipeline bill in 1973, during the first Arab oil embargo. (Remember the gas lines?) The Senate passed the 1973 Alaskan pipeline bill by an overwhelming 80-5 vote. The Alaskan pipeline produced more than 15 billion barrels of oil, supplied nearly 20% of this nation’s oil, created tens of thousands of jobs, added hundreds of billions of dollars to the U.S. economy and reduced money transfers to the nation’s enemies by about the same amount. The only argument against the pipeline was from tree-huggers, that it would harm the caribou. The caribou population near the pipeline, however, increased from 5,000 in the 1970s to 32,000 by 2002.
Remember this, the next time Blabbermouth Biden talks about oil, gas, Alaska, caribou, polar bears, jobs, the environment, or the economy.
Rage, your P.S. brings up the point I’ve been pondering today, namely will the Senate in its action to add “sweeteners” to the bill (apparently in an attempt to gain more GOP votes for the most part) result in the members of the House feeling that this bill is being “crammed down their throats” to the point that it fails again? I think there’s a realistic probability that this could happen.
If it does, then what? Credit markets are tightening, per various media reports, not only in the U.S. but in Europe. There was a big Chapter 11 filed today by a major corporation (sorry, can’t recall the name) which cited the cut off from its line of credit for the reason it was filed.
Nathaniel posted October 2, 2008 at 3:28 pm
“Imagine that! The liberals in the media have been pounding on Palin’s experience for the last few weeks and the poll numbers of those who think she has experience has gone down…”
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Actually, it’s the ridiculous claims made by Palin herself that have caused her poll numbers to drop.
Russia, Bridge-to-nowhere, “energy expert(sic)”, etc.
I can easily see the possibility tonight (as I saw demonstrated in a debate I watched yesterday between Palin and her opponents for the Alaska governorship) where Palin asks Biden a question or offers a challenge and Biden has NO idea what she said. When he admits this he needs to do it carefully!
My own moment of being incoherent (again!). In my last post remove all the unnecessary words in paarens to make it understandable.
Indeed, Linda. MSNBC is reporting that she’s going to go on the attack tonight. That’s a good strategy: if she can keep Biden occupied responding, she doesn’t have to defend her own views (or lack thereof). And the conventional wisdom is that Biden can’t hit back too hard (I say screw the conventional wisdom, but I undestand the reasoning).
This is where the “biased” moderator comes in, in the same way Jim Lehrer did, getting the candidates to go a little deeper than prepared talking points.
One big difference between Palin and myself. I would never for even a second think I was prepared for the job of VP!
Maybe Biden can remember his succinct response of, “Yes,” from the primary debates. It was very effective! ;-)
“lindainks55″ –
I suspect the Moose-Dresser has been given a whole bunch of zingers to throw at Biden.
He’d be well served to simply use a legislative tactic and cede his response time to her with a simple, “Just what did you mean by that?”
The McCoot campaign negotiated for a no give-and-take debate; the old-fashioned “this candidate gets 90 seconds and the other candidate gets 60 seconds to respond.”
The Alaskan gubernatorial debate clips show her beauty-pageant & sportscaster skills in front of the camera.
If there’s a follow-up question, Bible Spice will be lost in the headlights.
parkay posted October 2, 2008 at 4:58 pm
“The only argument against the pipeline was from tree-huggers, that it would harm the caribou. The caribou population near the pipeline, however, increased from 5,000 in the 1970s to 32,000 by 2002.”
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The increase in herd size was caused by better forage, NOT the pipeline.
http://secure.alaskawild.org/pressroom_mythsfacts.html
Fact: During the early 1990s biologists from the Alaska Department of Fish & Game found that caribou inhabiting the oil fields had lower calf productivity compared with members of the same herd that seldom encountered oil-related facilities.
This herd has been largely split by the Trans-Alaska Pipeline into two groups, and a sharp decline recorded in 1995 surveys occurred entirely in the part of the range in the vicinity of oil, with 41% declines found in the Kuparuk oil field. Female caribou generally avoid the North Slope oil fields where there is a network of roads, pipelines, and other facilities.
Fact: Caribou use of preferred habitat declined exponentially as the density of oil field roads increased (Nellemann and Cameron, 1998). This loss of habitat continues to increase as new roads and pipelines expand across the North Slope.
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Another argument against the TAPS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill
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mom
Posted October 2, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
Gwen “In-the-tank-for-Obama” Ifill best mind her p’s and q’s tonight
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Don’t you really mean ‘in her place’?
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I meant what I wrote.
That is, she best show non-partisan hosting. The moment she presses the easy button for Obama, the buzzer will sound, the debate will compromised and of no value to anyone.
cosmos thinks caribou sit in one spot and graze.
Perhaps the caribou ignore cosmos’s naive view of the real world and go on the annual migration, just to spite cosmos.
lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
One big difference between Palin and myself. I would never for even a second think I was prepared for the job of VP!
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mom
Posted October 2, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
Gwen “In-the-tank-for-Obama” Ifill best mind her p’s and q’s tonight
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Don’t you really mean ‘in her place’?
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Mom as you can see Linda is inferring that Palin has stepped ‘out of her place’. Funny how much you can see from the other side of the fence.
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Boy is the MSM running scared. Reuters has asked that Palins ears be checked for hidden mikes that someone could feed her the answers over. Talked about paranoia!
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I might ask what it is that YOU are smoking there Chris!
That’s about the most confident thing I’ve heard yet ’bout lil Sarah.
She’s outta her league.
And it’s time for me to say it.
If your, or anyone’s partisanship SO blinds you that you would trust Sarah Palin with the Presidency? I question first your patriotism and second your sanity.
http://arctic.fws.gov/caribou.htm
Porcupine Caribou Herd
Wandering across remote areas, individual caribou may travel more than 3000 miles during their yearly movements.
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Central Arctic Caribou Herd
As its name suggests, the Central Arctic Caribou herd roams the central region of northern Alaska.
Back to the original thread – I find it amusing that Kathleen Parker is hardly a ‘lib’ but simply feels that Palin is not ready. Also the extreme vitriol in the attacks against her.
“Gwen “In-the-tank-for-Obama” Ifill best mind her p’s and q’s tonight”
Ya gonna threaten blog warfare?
Hold your breath?
Kook.
Ben,
It’s also worth noting that Parker previously wrote “favorably of Palin”, but changed her mind as she learned more about Palin.
Kathleen Parker is a closet liberal, has penis envy and is a wanna-be male chauvinist swine.
Parker also has the view that women shouldn’t serve in the military because they are not capable of doing the job.
Just what century is Kathleen Parker from?
“Also the extreme vitriol in the attacks against her.”
Ooooh A twofer!
Palin melts down and old Jimbo is gonna be swinging from the rafters spitting chiclets!
Naw Junior, you are the only girly boy on this blog that spits and sprays when he talks.
Jimbo?
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bth
Posted October 2, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink
Jimbo?
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BlueJay likes invoking a variation of my real name when he attacks other posters.
Not one original thought in that boy’s head, he’s made from the fertilized aborted feces of Liberal swine.
If he didn’t just make it clear ben, I was referring to “Regular”. I’m wondering if tonight will be one of his greatest spits.
Oh you ARE on a buildup aint ya?
“fertilized aborted feces of Liberal swine.”
Did that one just roll off your brain or did you spend a lonely evening composing it?
Multi-nic’d,
Thank you for proving Ben’s “vitriol” point.
bth has no room to talk about vitriol, he’s exposed his ass more than once on this blog.
Go on.
And on!
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Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
bth has no room to talk about vitriol, he’s exposed his ass more than once on this blog.
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Got any pictures?
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Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 5:48 pm | Permalink
Kathleen Parker is a closet liberal, has penis envy and is a wanna-be male chauvinist swine.
Parker also has the view that women shouldn’t serve in the military because they are not capable of doing the job.
Just what century is Kathleen Parker from?
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Ours:-)
Gwen “In-the-tank-for-Obama” Ifill best mind her p’s and q’s tonight
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Don’t you really mean ‘in her place’?
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mom, most of us understood you were referring to Ifill, not Palin. Even Regular to whom you addressed your question. ;-)
“Regular” reports from the bunker –
“…The moment she presses the easy button for Obama…”
And you will be the judge of that “moment,” right “Regular?”
Yeah, we’ll all agree to that.
As soon as the SnowBilly screws up you and the CONs will start yelling about “gotcha” questions.
Obama won’t be debating tonight.
Do the presidential candidates give interviews after the way the VP (well, one of them anyway) did after the presidential debate?
Going back in my memory, I can’t remember watching a VP debate. I read the script, or at least listened to excerpts, but don’t ever remember watching one. If I did, it obviously wasn’t memorable. Maybe tonight’s will fall in that category too.
Obama will watch the debate at a hotel in Lansing, Michigan. McCain will watch with his staff at a hotel in Denver, Colorado.
The McCain campaign released a Web ad highlighting some of Biden’s gaffes just hours before the vice presidential debate was to begin.
“What might Joe Biden say at tonight’s debate? Anything’s possible,” the announcer says before clips of past Biden gaffes are shown, including a 1987 town-hall where he told a voter, “I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do.”
Other now-famous Biden moments shown in the ad include his off-the-cuff statement two years ago that “you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent … I’m not joking.”
The ad also includes newly minted gaffes from the campaign trail, including a September rally during which he accidentally told a man in a wheelchair to “stand up … let them see you,” and a town hall meeting one month ago when he praised Hillary Clinton and said she “might have been a better pick than me.”
“Ready to gaffe? Yes. Ready to lead? No,” the ad’s announcer says.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/vice.presidential.debate/
Wish Tracy was here.
He’d remember “Caddyshack”.
This is like the moment in that movie. Everything is on the line and depends on one putt of a golf ball.
Character played by Chevy Chase to kid with everything on the line…
“Don’t worry about this one. If you miss it, we lose.”
NO pressure Sarah!
A Liberal thinks that Biden is better that Palin?
He is a moron and barry is a muslim.
Demon crats choose a muslim and a moron both baby killers and sodomite supporters.
“lindainks55″ –
I remember, “You, Senator Quayle, are no Jack Kennedy.” I remember Admiral
PeachfuzzWhatshisname saying, “Who am I? Why am I here?” and wandering around the stage.Vice-Presidential debates represent higher stakes, especially since the Cheney regime, and especially since John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) is actuarially likely to end his stellar career of public service to his nation with a State Funeral before the next election.
Just consider, not now but after the debate, how comfortable you are with the concept of “President Bible Spice.”
“Kandisue” –
Nothing personal, mind you.
But a job at the sheltered workshop doesn’t qualify as a “career.”
“A Liberal thinks that Biden is better that Palin?”
Any remotely rational person KNOWS Biden is better than Palin.
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Posted October 2, 2008 at 6:03 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
bth has no room to talk about vitriol, he’s exposed his ass more than once on this blog.
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Got any pictures?
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No, no longer have my 35mm SLR which had an assortment of lenses as it was stolen on a move.
It had a wide angle lens that taken in most of bth’s derriere. :)
In regards to the debate who cares and what earthly difference is it going to make?
“In regards to the debate who cares?”
Oh ’bout maybe 70 million people.
“what earthly difference is it going to make?”
If you are not worried about it making a difference?
Why are you attempting damage control before the fact?
“Freebird1971″ asks –
“In regards to the debate who cares and what earthly difference is it going to make?”
Most years, not much.
But John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) is not expected by actuarial tables to live ’til the next presidential election.
And, to be non-partisan, when JFK was Barack Obama’s age he’d been dead for 37 days.
I don’t particularly relish a Joe Biden presidency, but I think I’d feel better with a “s#it happens” response than “Oh, s#it.”
We’ll see what the Bullwinkle assassin shows us tonight, under the bestest debate conditions the McCodger campaign could come up with.
If you’re even in the least concerned about the prospect of a “President Bible Spice,” tonight’s debate might make an earthly difference.
“In regards to the debate who cares and what earthly difference is it going to make?”
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Biden and Palin didn’t get to this debate by winning primary votes; they got picked by the guys who did. They still have to pass the “commander in chief test” with voters and that can be decided, in part, by their debate performance. There’s a reason voters should want to know: Nine vice presidents have succeeded to the presidency because of the death or resignation of their political patron.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-02-debate-thursday_N.htm
okobserver
Posted October 2, 2008 at 5:29 pm | Permalink
lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
One big difference between Palin and myself. I would never for even a second think I was prepared for the job of VP!
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mom
Posted October 2, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
Gwen “In-the-tank-for-Obama” Ifill best mind her p’s and q’s tonight
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Don’t you really mean ‘in her place’?
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Mom as you can see Linda is inferring that Palin has stepped ‘out of her place’. Funny how much you can see from the other side of the fence.
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Boy is the MSM running scared. Reuters has asked that Palins ears be checked for hidden mikes that someone could feed her the answers over. Talked about paranoia
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Okie – now you’re talking paranoia! Linda did not infer that Sarah Palin has stepped out of her place. Linda did not infer anything – she stated that she (Linda) would never think she was qualified for the job of VP.
Sarah Palin has to stand or fall on what she Palin says in every moment of the campaign trail. And Palin herself has stated her life is an open book – so let’s open that book and see exactly what she has and has not done.
Palin and McCain look like the paranoid fools when they sit and blame the media for Palin’s less than spectacular interviews.
What is your source for Reuters asking Palin bec hecked for hidden mikes – let me guess – Rush Limbaugh is your source? Too funny, enough said.
If a person likes folksy one-liners, then Sarah Palin is their candidate.
As for me, and a majority of voters, our country is facing too many serious problems and we cannot afforde 4 years of a female version of George W. Bush.
Sarah gets her chance to tonight
To moot the goofs borne of stage fright
She needs to be real good, no great
This target of the left’s smug hate
She bore it all with grace and pluck
She faced it down, she did not duck
I think she’ll do fine, time will tell
If she quiets the crowd and rings the bell
Kandisue
Posted October 2, 2008 at 6:46 pm | Permalink
A Liberal thinks that Biden is better that Palin?
He is a moron and barry is a muslim.
Demon crats choose a muslim and a moron both baby killers and sodomite supporters
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Really, Kandisue, must you always be so hateful? I’m still praying for you. God is love – not hate.
Why Joe Biden May Not Win the Debate with Sarah Palin
There is little doubt that Joe Biden is more experienced than Sarah Palin; that he is more familiar with the intricacies of foreign and domestic policy; that he is better versed in the nuances of administration and the methods of Washington; and that he is a more accomplished debater. In other words, Joe Biden could crush Sarah Palin in tonight’s vice-presidential debate.
But, if he’s wise, he won’t. The basis of Palin’s popularity is that she reminds many voters of themselves. If Biden crushes Palin on Thursday, those voters might feel as though Biden has reached into their living rooms and crushed them.
http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/10/why-joe-biden-m.html
Street’s VP Debate Drinking Game Rules:
1. Every time Palin mentions a member of her family (Todd, Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper or Trig), or “family values,” stand up, interlock arms in a circle, sing “We Are Family” and drink.
2. When Biden says “Scranton,” “blue-collar” or “working-class,” drink a Budweiser, slap your burly buddy on the back as hard as possible and crush the empty can against your forehead.
3. Drink a Labbat Blue when Palin calls herself a “hockey mom.”
4. Take an Alaskan Pipeline shot when either candidate mentions domestic drilling.
5. If Biden criticizes “Washington insiders,” or attacks Palin for being inexperienced, take a sip for every year he’s been a U.S. senator (that would be 35).
6. Chug a cosmopolitan when Palin mentions the “liberal” or “mainstream” media.
7. When Biden says “malarkey,” clandestinely pour some coffee grounds into your neighbor’s glass, then point and shout, “what’s all that malarkey in your drink?!”
8. Every time Palin says “musn’t,” take a shot of Jim Beam, mutter something about how “grammar ain’t dat important anyways,” and then pray for the children.
9. Every time Biden says “literally,” drink an Absolut Suicide.
10. Drink a mindbender if Palin completely flubs a question.
If at any point during the debate you forget whether this is the actual Sarah Palin or Tina Fey playing Palin, finish all the drinks on the table.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/entertainment/street/2008/10/vp_debate_drink_to_make_sense_1.html
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BlueJay
Posted October 2, 2008 at 7:25 pm | Permalink
“In regards to the debate who cares?”
Oh ’bout maybe 70 million people.
“what earthly difference is it going to make?”
If you are not worried about it making a difference?
Why are you attempting damage control before the fact?
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Damage Control? I could care less about the debate or who wins. As I have said before “just changing madams in the brothel” or in this case the assistant madam,nothing more nothing less
Can (not may) I call you Joe?
Can I call you Joe?
That’s rather presumptuous.
If Biden calls her Sarah, the right will howl.
“go to a kids’ soccer game and I betcha…”
Oh my.
She is speaking to America and doing a very good job. Grammar? America doesn’t have excellent grammar skills.
CNN has the running little reaction graph at the bottom.
Women CRATERED when Sarah started talking.
Oh boy!
She delivered what she THOUGHT was a killer line…
And both men and women tanked on the little graph!
I think she is doing great!
“…Joe Six-Pack, Hockey Moms…”
Ten minutes in!
Will she shoot her wad of scripted lines in the first twenty minutes?
“…94 times…”
“…477 times…”
The Moose-Dresser just got pwned.
“I want to tell you what I did as mayor. And I might not answer the questions….”
Oh my.
Dedicated debate thread next door everyone.
“The ultimate bridge to nowhere.”
Okay, it was scripted.
And Biden was crafty enough to deal it out when the Bullwinkle-Assassin couldn’t respond.
A good moment.
BlueJay
“A Liberal thinks that Biden is better that Palin?”
Any remotely rational person KNOWS Biden is better than Palin.
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You prefer a pro baby killer?
Did you know that Biden is the only person in the Senate today to vote against the Alaskan Pipeline?
Just how stupid is this guy?
Does this mean she’s ready for ‘Meet the Press’?
They were all scripted lines from Palin. The fact that she did not run off of the stage in a storm of tears, means that she did better than expected.
The ABC news pundits thought Biden won the debate and connected better with voters, which is what these charades are all about. The smartest person in the classroom does not necessarily win. If the preceding was necessary, there would be no reason to hold the debates.
Well, she tried her damnedest to not answer the questions, but for a pit bull with lipstick, she came off like a yappy chihuahua. The one thing she has going as a politician is that when she spins, she spins badly and obviously. At least we’ll all know when she’s lying!
Of course she’s still trying to play the ‘publican voodoo economics line that we as a nation can keep spending borrowed money on more butter and more guns while cutting taxes for the rich bastards, and it’ll all magically be just fine. I’d think the last couple years would’ve convinced even the conservatives that the country’s credit card balance has finally come due, and a third mortage isn’t the answer!
She tried to come off as supermom too. Unfortunately we already knew that she forgot a few crucial lessons on family planning and sex ed. while she was busy avoiding her horde of children.
If she’s going to be an arythmic heartbeat away from leading the free world, she’s going to have to show us she can do more than shake her saggy tits and recite what her handlers have spent the last few weeks drilling into her. She need to show us she can think on her feet, and that she’s a credible leader who can steer this nation through some of the most troubled waters it’s seen in well over half a century. Shooting a moose doesn’t qualify; the moose didn’t shoot back!
Just about every commentator has Palin winning by a big margin.
She kicked his butt.
She has re excited the base.
Conservatives are estatic.
Palin for President.
“Say it ain’t so Joe”
“She has re excited the base.”
You mean…you?
Kandi dear? You are not the base. You ARE base in your own way.
But you represent no strong or even respectable constituency.
Level the baby killer charge at me. I’m a single dad.
Why don’t you post about what you (or Palin) could do to help folks like me?
Fox poll with over 1,000,000 voters has Palin winning the debate 86% to 12%.
I would say that represents a little more than just me being re excited.
That’s FOX “news” Kandi.
I asked about you.
America has a clear choice. Very clear. We can vote for a man who has flown jets into enemy fire, been shot down and spent years in a POW camp, and a woman who has been without health insurance, owned a business, become mayor and then become governor of a state that can supply us with energy; or we can vote for a Marxist who did drugs, wants to raise taxes and has a VP candidate that is a blatant liar who has never held a real job.
Kandi?
I am currently without health insurance.
Sarah Palin did not say how it was she remedied HER lack of it.
Was it becoming mayor?
I did not hear her say how it was she GOT health insurance. I was hoping she could offer me a suggestion.
Do you have one?
Kandipoo,
If it’s all the same to you, I’d rather go with someone who hasn’t repeatedly crashed multimillion dollar planes.
Biden screwed up
At least 10 times, Biden said things that are NOT true.
Another example?
Article 1 of the Constitution?
Biden says that it concerns the Executive Branch:
“Article. I. – The Legislative Branch Note
Section 1 – The Legislature
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Section 2 – The House
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.
When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
Section 3 – The Senate
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, (chosen by the Legislature thereof,) (The preceding words in parentheses superseded by 17th Amendment, section 1.) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; (and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.) (The preceding words in parentheses were superseded by the 17th Amendment, section 2.)
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.”
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Biden is on the Judiciary Committee.
Biden is a moron!
Blue,
You’re asking the wrong con. If you want health insurance, I’m sure Pall will be more than glad to sell you a policy for a monthly premium of only 90% of your monthly income. Of course there’ll be a $2000 deductible and $100 co-payments, but hey, you’ll be insured- hungry and homeless, but insured!
BJ
If you aren’t using drugs, I can get you a good health plan for less than $120 a month, for you, and even less, on your son.
You don’t want to pay anything, however.
Another Biden screw up?
McCain is offering a $5,000.00 tax CREDIT for health insurance.
A $5,000.00 CREDIT is worth the same as a $50,000 DEDUCTION for someone in the 10% tax bracket.
A $5,000.00 CREDIT is worth the same as a a $33,000.00 DEDUCTION for someone in the 15% tax bracket.
Biden has been in the Senate a LONG time, and he does not know that a tax credit is better than a tax deduction.
McCain proposes a $5,000.00 REFUNDABLE tax CREDIT for health care.
That means that even those like BJ that don’t pay any federal income tax, will get a full tax credit for health care insurance expense.
Biden is a moron.
Uh yeah Franklinpaulie, no thanks.
McCain wants to tax those who get health insurance.
THAT will only add to the pool of people like me…
who have to come and trust some creep like you.
BJ
BULL
You are leaving out the full equation.
Even to use Bidens numbers (Which are wrong)
$12,000 (Biden premium cost)
15% tax bracket
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$1,800.00 tax savings.
$5,000.00 tax credit from McCain’s plan
-1,800.00 tax savings currently
———
$3,200.00 better off in McCain’s plan.
Actually, McCain’s plan is better the LESS money you make.
Why? because a tax deduction becomes more valuable, the higher your tax bracket might be.
A tax CREDIT is the same for everyone!
BJ
You don’t trust YOURSELF
And, perhaps, your self-loathing is well deserved.
However, even Obama says that he might have to garnish your wages, if you are too irresponsible to take care of your own needs.
Yeah Pall, You’re pro life alright, but only for those who pay premiums!
“You don’t trust YOURSELF”
If that means I cannot contort myself into you?
You’re right. AND right.
I’m really more conservative than you Paul F Rosell.
I can’t sell out who I am or morph myself into you.
I find the very thought of it disgusting.
BJ
To you, anyone who earns an honest living is a “sell-out”.
You want to judge others, and take our money, and sit on your ass.
You are far too “special” to actual work for a living.
Jed
So, you think anyone who works in the free market economy is evil, somehow?
Do you pay for groceries?
Wouldn’t you die without food?
How dare the grocer, the truck driver and the farmer all get paid.
If you did not eat, you would die.
Therefore, you deserve your food for free, right?
You are a Marxist.
Excuse me “Franklin”?
Your third nic here by the way, which speaks to your honesty.
YOU have admitted that you sold out your union.
YOU “work” for a living only in that you take other people’s money….and then promise them protection.
Let me clarify for readers, “Franklin” sells insurance. He makes nothing…but money.
Is he also in denying claims? I don’t know. He doesn’t say. It doesn’t matter.
“Franklin” in any nic, is there for you.
Until he isn’t.
Let me clarify for readers, “Franklin” sells insurance. He makes nothing…but money.
What’s wrong with making money?
I earn an honest living “Franklin”
YOU peddle fear. Both here and in your making your living.
An agent doesn’t deny claims,I believe it is the claims dept.
BlueJay
Lets speak to YOUR hypocrisy.
You have been JR, BJ and Bluejay.
You have been a few other people too, but you do not admit to it.
I have NEVER tried to hide my identity.
How is it wrong for me to use more than one nic, over time, and not for you to do the same?
BJ
“Sold out”? I voted with the majority, each and EVERY time I was a member of that labor union.
For telling them that it would be stupid, to go on strike, my vehicle was vandalized.
Even though the strike was voted down.
How is it a “sell out” to vote with the majority?
You are a liar, JR. A pathetic human being who thinks EVERYTHING that you do or say is justified, in support of your hatred.
BJ
What do other people in the “service industries” make?
How about those who work for the government?
How about telephone operators?
BJ does not like people who use their brains, to make a living.
BJ knows he can not compete with such people.
BJ,
I have insurance,bought it from an agent too,not out of fear but out of wanting to provide for those I will leave behind,you know helping with their financial security or maybe helping with my grandchildren’s education. I don’t see a thing wrong with that
econ,
What’s “wrong” is that you post your unsupportable claims here.
And
To prove what a complete idiot JR/BJ/Bluejay is:
It is not legal, in any state of the Union, for a licensed insurance agent to be involved in claims approval or claims denial.
The industry keeps setting rates, underwriting policies, selling policies, and approval of claims seperate.
Some of those seperations are required, by law.
Franklin
Posted October 3, 2008 at 12:08 am | Permalink
BJ
What do other people in the “service industries” make?
FYI Franklin I make around$15.00 an hour in customer service
Cosmos
Go “factcheck” Biden.
LOL
Biden told at least 10 WHOPPERS tonight.
Its ok, we will have some commercials up soon.
Free
Sorry, I did not exlain that question very well.
I meant to teach BJ/JR/Bluejay that much of our economy is involed in things OTHER than manufacturing a product, directly.
The market determines if that activity is valuable, not people like BJ/JR/Bluejay.
He looks down his nose at juat about everyone who “sold out” to the “man” and got a job.
However, he piles even more contempt on those in non-manufacturing or service jobs, and even more hatred for those in sales, finance, or insurance.
Again, he is not very smart, so I think it is envy.
You never fail to…well FAIL Franklin, Econ 101, econ 101, Paul F Rosell.
Please go get where I have ever posted under “BJ”. That is an appellation by some on your side and some who just like abbreviation.
In more than three years posting here, I have had two nics. J R was not available to me after the format of this blog was changed. And that format was changed by a con. When forced to change my nic, I was very up front about it.
“I have NEVER tried to hide my identity.”
No? When you switched to Econ 101, I saw no announcement that “Hey it’s me Paul F Rosell!”
When you switched, again, to “Franklin” there was no, “The poster formerly known as econ 101 is me, Franklin”
econ,
Go factcheck your OWN posts. You have zero credibility on the WE Blog.
I may work for the “man” but he pays me well. No apology necessary.
Oh Kandisue!!! Time for your meds
We should do a whole thread just with me and you “Franklin”
Isn’t it about time to change your nic again? You CAN’T be seen as useful by your sponsors here anymore. The whole blog knows what you are.
You never DID answer a question I asked you a long time ago.
Just WHAT jobs do you see as worth less than minimum wage?
Pall,
“You are a Marxist”
I am not, nor have I ever been a marxist. I am not however in favor of highway robbery either. Everybody is entitled to make a living, but some of you have finagled a whole lot more than a living at the expense of the livings of others. Marxism is long dead as are the days of robber-baron capitalism you want to return to. You talk the talk about free markets, but what you’re doing has nothing to do with free and fair competition, it’s about screwing everybody you can out of anything you can, anything goes monopolies. We’re now seeing where deregulation has gotten us- right back to the hole we were in when we regulated businesses in the first place!