John McCain has been treating President Bush as radioactive on the stump, and has appeared with him only once publicly since Bush’s endorsement at the White House in March. Out of the public eye, though, Bush has raised $146 million for Republican Party committees and candidates this election ($40 million less than he raised last election cycle) and offered a pep talk Tuesday at Republican National Committee headquarters. Bush also has done 85 GOP fundraising events, but hasn’t appeared at a single rally for a GOP candidate for Congress. It must be a strange feeling for the campaigner in chief to be on the sidelines for this one.
Of course, Bush’s approval rating has reached a new low even in Republican Kansas, sinking 4 points in a month to 36 percent in October in a SurveyUSA poll co-sponsored by KWCH, Channel 12. The last time Bush’s approval was as high as 50 percent in Kansas was January 2006.
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Watch the polls if Obama becomes President.
-Obama starts a war! MSM rates him 100 percent
-Obama bankrupts the country into a deep financial depression – MSM rates him 100 percent
-Obama rapes 9 year old girl on pony ride. MSM rates him 100 percent.
For some of us there are still two G.W. Bush, the one whom stood in front of the rubble of the World Trade Center. His speech was clear and needed at the time and I thought “we have the right President at the right time!”.
But then there is the second G.W. Bush, the one whom took this country into an illegal and amoral invasion.
That turns the eye of the nation away from the real enemies of this country. That in doing so has allowed those whom attacked and killed the innocent to live and plan to do it again. The Bush whom listen to and allowed a small group of Ideologists to use the country and its military as their private gun. With the intent of building an American empire. To make the USA the enemy of Democracy rather then the shining light of a Democracy. The Bush whom did more to undermine the Constitution and violate the very principles that many fought and even died to obtain.
Yes for many of us there is two George Walker Bush’s, one we remember with fawnest and the other whom there is not a harsh enough place in Hell for. Its not about party alliance or partisan politics, it about right and wrong. It’s not about loving one’s country or loving ones party and picking one’s reality when there is two realities imposed on you. I would have rather maintained the reality I had in the first paragraph, but I was not allowed to. The reality of the two G.W. Bush was imposed on me against my will.
I’m a Bush fan and proud of it. The democratic congress is the lowest rated in history at about 10% and I think the MSM is right there with them. Not only is McCain and Palin running against the Messiah they also have to take on the lib news media. Of course if sexy Bill Clinton had stayed home Hillary may have had a better chance of beating the ONE.
“I’m a Bush fan and proud of it.”
Are you evil, rich, or just really really stupid?
WORST President in history. And that is a mark and a memory that will not fade for the rest of our lives.
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writerdog
Posted October 30, 2008 at 6:45 am | Permalink
For some of us there are still two G.W. Bush, the one whom stood in front of the rubble of the World Trade Center. His speech was clear and needed at the time and I thought “we have the right President at the right time!”.
But then there is the second G.W. Bush, the one whom took this country into an illegal and amoral invasion.
That turns the eye of the nation away from the real enemies of this country. That in doing so has allowed those whom attacked and killed the innocent to live and plan to do it again. The Bush whom listen to and allowed a small group of Ideologists to use the country and its military as their private gun. With the intent of building an American empire. To make the USA the enemy of Democracy rather then the shining light of a Democracy. The Bush whom did more to undermine the Constitution and violate the very principles that many fought and even died to obtain.
Yes for many of us there is two George Walker Bush’s, one we remember with fawnest and the other whom there is not a harsh enough place in Hell for. Its not about party alliance or partisan politics, it about right and wrong. It’s not about loving one’s country or loving ones party and picking one’s reality when there is two realities imposed on you. I would have rather maintained the reality I had in the first paragraph, but I was not allowed to. The reality of the two G.W. Bush was imposed on me against my will.
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Why not admit the truth?
You lost your spine when your son volunteered, joined the military and was sent to Iraq.
Just admit it and deal with it, quit blaming others for your personal anxieties.
Worst Congress in history..with approval ratings ranging from 15% (CBS) to 23% (AP). BOTH parties share the shame of that.
The sickening part is that most sheep will re-elect the vast majority of the do nothing Congress and expect things to be ‘better’??
Regardless of the presidential election, the do nothing Congress will continue on its merry way of pork and special declarations while its members (of both parties) continue to commit crimes…and the stupidity of the American People allow them to do it.
Congress is against the war..yet continues to fund it. Congress is against unemployment..yet doesn’t do anything about it. Congress is against pork barrel spending..yet it continues to do so. Congress is against the deficit, yet adds to it every chance they get.
The primary job of Congress anymore is to get re-elected. They don’t care about the voters, or ethics, or much of anything else. They get automatic pay increases, huge pensions for life, free health care, etc. Why should they care about anyone else?
And this applies to BOTH parties. We, as an electorate, should be ashamed of ourselves.
“The sickening part is that most sheep will re-elect the vast majority of the do nothing Congress and expect things to be ‘better’??”
You mean like sending patsy roberts and toddly tiahrt back to congress? AGAIN?
Uh huh. Indeed, the mindless voters of kansas are part of the problem. You hate it that Mass sends Kennedy back year after year?
Trust me. They hate it that you send republican wingnuts to Congress year after year, after year, after year…
Pot meet kettle
So rap, does that mean you are voting for slattery and Betts?
uh huh
writerdog,
I remember when you first expressed disappointment and disagreement with the direction bush was taking our country, and of course it was long before your son decided to serve. I want you to know that most of us realize what an honorable man your son is and know how proud you are of him and his decision. We also understand your worry and we’re worrying with you. We’re all Americans, even those of us who are able to see how badly bush has soiled everything that makes America worth serving. Don’t let the turkeys get you down, you and your son soar with Eagles.
kfg…my vote is none of your business, however I did NOT vote for the incumbents on the federal level. I sm noy part of the hypocrisy that decries the status quo and yet doesn’t do anything about it.
“am not” (fingers were on the wrong keys there…)
I think we need to party the day Bush leaves office! Our national nightmare will be over and we can start to rebuild.
Just like Sen. Roberts, he’ll take bush’s bucks but won’t have him campaign for him. Too bad.
Kind of know how the Iraqis feel anticipating the day their occupation ends.
Once a solid dem majority is in place in congress and the obstructionist removed, congress will get things done and ratings will soar.
I agree, Mary, that a celebration should happen the day bush leaves office! A great improvement for all Americans and our country.
San Francisco is planning a group flush and I think all across America there is a move to join in. Here is news of Proposition R, an initiative that proposes renaming the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant as the George W. Bush Sewage Plant.
http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-10-29/news/prop-r-yes-yes-yes/
Writerdog – I didn’t know about your son serving in Iraq and I want to tell you that I agree with your premise that George W. Bush has led the country down the wrong road when he decided to invade Iraq after 9/11.
I also want to tell you that many people respect and admire our military troops in Iraq for the terrific job they are doing, under enormous obstacles. At the same time, we can also disagree with George W. Bush for the reason we are fighting in Iraq. To be against the war in Iraq is not the same thing as to be against the military.
But to people like Regular, there is no bounds for being so low class as to attack you through your son. That was totally uncalled for.
Their response reflects on them and not on you. And then Republicans wonder why they are considered nasty and negative? Go figure.
Mary and Linda – I, too, plan to party when Bush AND Cheney go slinking off. But let’s hope that McCain and Palin (a female GWB) does not get into the White House or we will simply add to the already blighted image of the US across the globe. I can only imagine what foreign leaders Palin would tick off by her winking at them- especially the Muslim ones.
If George W. Bush is raising all this money, then why is McCain whining and complaining that Obama has all the money?
McCain has turned into a desperate, angry little man who is lashing out at anything and everything. Is this really what a maverick does?
I think we need to party the day Bush leaves office! Our national nightmare will be over and we can start to rebuild.
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The Nation magazine is sponsoring a Caribbean cruise to start the day Bush leaves the office. Sounds like fun.
Dennis
“mom
Posted October 30, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink
…McCain has turned into a desperate, angry little man who is lashing out at anything and everything. Is this really what a maverick does?”
I don’t think he ‘turned into’ that, by all accounts he has been an angry little man for years and years.
REGULAR, I will put this as delicate as possible, you are talking out of your ass! As Linda pointed out my opinion of G.W. Bush was formed after almost a year of searching for confirmation of the reasons given for the Invasion of Iraq. Starting in 2003 and it took almost a year to finally convince me of the wrong of it all and the real reasons for it. That would make it 2004 just in case that does not dawn on you.
My son enlisted about a year ago that would be 2008 (AA all the way), so one incident has nothing to do with the other. I will be proud of him whether he is on base, in Iraq or where he is fighting those that killed innocent Americans by being in Afghanistan or as the case maybe in Pakistan.
G.W, Bush had a great chance to be remembering as one of the Greatest Presidents this nation has ever had.
As I said for the moment he rallied the rescues workers and the country as a whole. G.W. Bush was this nation’s and for that matter the World’s President. He threw that all away by choosing to ignore those whom attacked us in favor of fulfilling his own personal desires and plans he agree to before 9-11.
Perhaps the invasion was meant to be the administration was planning to invade Iraq in 2002 anyway.
The death of over three thousand innocents only impacted him by giving an excuse that was more effective then the one he planned on using.
Now you can use any term you wish to use to describe the above actions. B.S., political spin, drinking the kool-aid or the one that comes to mind when the realization comes that it is the truth as unbelievable or as much as you fight to not accept. I said it took a year to convince me and sources as far away from liberal sources and backed up by their own words. After a year in 2004, an adjective that starts with a (T) and ends with a (r) came to my mind.
As to stomach, brother you will never know the amount of stomach I have.
writerdog, I admire you. I would have bitch slapped him for his comment. You punched him in the gut with a velvet glove. My hat is off to you, sir. And my prayers are with your son and the thousands of others.
I read that the One has enlisted Bill(Cigar)Clinton to work with him in Florida campaigning. Can Obama trust Bill to say the right thing. I doubt it. To me the terrorists is the number one issue in this country until they are totally elimated. Sure glad we had George Bush at the helm starring down the terrorists, where ever they were. I would not want OBama, Biden, Hillary or Billy Boy in that position at the time of 911.
Hey George, you do know according to McCain and Palin the biggest and meanest and worst terrorist is in Chicago, don’t you? Maybe we could get together a posse?
We need to encourage Bush to get out more and campaign for his Party. Especially McCain, Tiahrt, Roberts …
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writerdog
Posted October 30, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
REGULAR, I will put this as delicate as possible, you are talking out of your ass! As Linda pointed out my opinion of G.W. Bush was formed after almost a year of searching for confirmation of the reasons given for the Invasion of Iraq. Starting in 2003 and it took almost a year to finally convince me of the wrong of it all and the real reasons for it. That would make it 2004 just in case that does not dawn on you.
My son enlisted about a year ago that would be 2008 (AA all the way), so one incident has nothing to do with the other. I will be proud of him whether he is on base, in Iraq or where he is fighting those that killed innocent Americans by being in Afghanistan or as the case maybe in Pakistan.
G.W, Bush had a great chance to be remembering as one of the Greatest Presidents this nation has ever had.
As I said for the moment he rallied the rescues workers and the country as a whole. G.W. Bush was this nation’s and for that matter the World’s President. He threw that all away by choosing to ignore those whom attacked us in favor of fulfilling his own personal desires and plans he agree to before 9-11.
Perhaps the invasion was meant to be the administration was planning to invade Iraq in 2002 anyway.
The death of over three thousand innocents only impacted him by giving an excuse that was more effective then the one he planned on using.
Now you can use any term you wish to use to describe the above actions. B.S., political spin, drinking the kool-aid or the one that comes to mind when the realization comes that it is the truth as unbelievable or as much as you fight to not accept. I said it took a year to convince me and sources as far away from liberal sources and backed up by their own words. After a year in 2004, an adjective that starts with a (T) and ends with a (r) came to my mind.
As to stomach, brother you will never know the amount of stomach I have.
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You’re still a wavering, fickled, confused wimp and not much changes that fact.
Admit your fear and learn to deal with it.
You have all the signs of someone scared to death of reality.
I’ve dealt with this with troops many times. They get bitter and blame others because of their inability to cope with fear.
I have never posted under the name of JM and Eier.
Happy now?
I have never posted under any name but this one.
Posted by: Regular | March 09, 2007 at 10:36 PM
I love my President. He is the right man at the right time and history will demand that his face be placed on Mt. Rushmore. This is because I unlike Kerry and you libs am a patriot. God himself has chosen George W Bush for us. If God is with us, who can be against us?
My country right or wrong my country.
Posted by: Regular| November 02, 2006 at 10:55 PM
Regular
Posted December 29, 2007 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
Okay folks, less than 8 hours until count down is finished, then I’m out of here.
Being as there is a desire for me to depart before 1 January 2008, I will be honoring that request.
So, you have less than eight hours to interact with me.
Jimmuh you are outta line more than usual with your remarks to writerdog.
IN character. But out of line.
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CapnAmerica
Posted October 30, 2008 at 6:50 pm | Permalink
I love my President. He is the right man at the right time and history will demand that his face be placed on Mt. Rushmore. This is because I unlike Kerry and you libs am a patriot. God himself has chosen George W Bush for us. If God is with us, who can be against us?
My country right or wrong my country.
Posted by: Regular| November 02, 2006 at 10:55 PM
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You wrote that Crapn,not me.
I don’t know why you even bother.
You shot your credibility here on this blog a long time ago.
I love my President. He is the right man at the right time and history will demand that his face be placed on Mt. Rushmore. This is because I unlike Kerry and you libs am a patriot. God himself has chosen George W Bush for us. If God is with us, who can be against us?
My country right or wrong my country.
Posted by: Regular| November 02, 2006 at 10:55 PM
What a joke. Perhaps Brownlee would entertain us with the “Best of multi-nic Regular”. But then the pathetic creature would be exposed for the liar and scumbag hwe really is.
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 30, 2008 at 7:12 pm | Permalink
I love my President. He is the right man at the right time and history will demand that his face be placed on Mt. Rushmore. This is because I unlike Kerry and you libs am a patriot. God himself has chosen George W Bush for us. If God is with us, who can be against us?
My country right or wrong my country.
Posted by: Regular| November 02, 2006 at 10:55 PM
What a joke. Perhaps Brownlee would entertain us with the “Best of multi-nic Regular”. But then the pathetic creature would be exposed for the liar and scumbag hwe really is.
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Nice try Crapn, the poster Regular didn’t exist in 2006.
Busted again.
That’s your post, ReguLIAR.
I just changed the nic from whatever name you were using at the time, JM or Kansas.
Busted, as always, ReguLIAR.
But then, ReguLIAR makes it so effing easy . . .
CapnAmerica
Posted October 30, 2008 at 11:30 pm | Permalink
That’s your post, ReguLIAR.
I just changed the nic from whatever name you were using at the time, JM or Kansas.
Busted, as always, ReguLIAR.
But then, ReguLIAR makes it so effing easy
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So you’re admitting you are mxyzptlk. Busted again
hypocrite
dumb ass
And thanks to ReguLIAR’s unmitigated stupidity, he’s busted not only on what he said but also his denial of having said it.
Hey, geenious, did it ever occur to you that maybe denying you write something when it can be easily looked up and proven that you DID say it is not a very good idea?
Nah, he . . . can’t . . . stop . . . lying.
Even when he’s been humiliated for lying a thousand times before:
JM
Posted November 2, 2006 at 10:55 pm | Permalink
I love my President. He is the right man at the right time and history will demand that his face be placed on Mt. Rushmore. This is because I unlike Kerry and you libs am a patriot. God himself has chosen George W Bush for us. If God is with us, who can be against us?My country right or wrong my country.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/11/republicans_mak/
I can’t even spell that guy’s nic.
Quit trolling Chas, and I’ll quit ragging on you.
God himself has chosen Bush for us.
Actually, I kinda agree with that.
‘Cause it sure as hell wasn’t a majority of voters.
CapnAmerica,
We have seen what your word around here means. It means nothing.
Last time you made a deal with me you broke it the next week and every week after. Everytime I pointed it out you ignored me until you finally called me a whiner.
Yeah, your word is worth a hand full of crap.
Thanks for the link, evidently someone was stealing nics.
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JM
Posted November 2, 2006 at 10:55 pm | Permalink
I love my President. He is the right man at the right time and history will demand that his face be placed on Mt. Rushmore. This is because I unlike Kerry and you libs am a patriot. God himself has chosen George W Bush for us. If God is with us, who can be against us?My country right or wrong my country.
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JM
Posted November 2, 2006 at 11:07 pm | Permalink
Cool, I have a troll. The message written at 10:55 is not me
Did I call you a whiner, Nathan.
Damn.
I was right.
You’re the biggest sissy on the web.
Grow a pair.
But then . . . you wouldn’t know what to do with them.
And btw, nice try at attempting to seize control of the State School Board with one of your Christian Taliban pals, Dennis Hedke.
I hope you and Pa sent him a lot of money . . . that will be wasted when he loses . . .
Nathan and Regular have about the same level of credibility here.
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CapnAmerica
Posted October 30, 2008 at 11:49 pm | Permalink
I can’t even spell that guy’s nic.
Quit trolling Chas, and I’ll quit ragging on you.
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If someone is posting as Chas, then they are Chas.
CapnAmerica,
By glossing over my pointing out that your word is worthless, I assume you already accept that fact.
Hey Nathan?
You might want to get to better know “Regular”.
HE is you in a few years.
Okay, JM/Regular, you’re right.
That apparently was a troll post.
My mistake.
However the two previous posts were you, were they not?
The zillion and one times that you swore up and down that you had never posted as JM and the many posts at the end of 2007 that stated — without anyone prompting you — that you would leave the blog forever.
Yeah.
My error doesn’t negate all that, now does it.
BlueJay,
The sad thing about your comment is that I don’t look down on Regular like you do.
I am not a cowardly judgemental little punk like you. So when you say I am going to be like Regular in a few years that is some inside joke with yourself that means nothing to me.
I don’t actually remember what I agreed to, Nathan, but after you continued calling me and other believers as “unChristian,” whatever I agreed to was null and void.
Here’s the new deal–
From now on, my political views are based on my religion.
If anyone attacks my political views, they attack my religion.
In fact, I never need to provide any facts ever, because anything I say is based on my religious views.
George W. Bush and John Senile McCain like to snort cocaine off the bare buttocks of a male prostitute. My religion tells me this is true.
You can’t attack my belief without attacking my religion, Nathan.
Sorry.
And I am not a social misfit liar like you Nathan.
AND your pal “Regular”
Hehehe, BlueJ.
Maybe that’s why Nathan is so eager to jump in and defend the indefensible and transparent lies of Regular.
He sees himself . . . no wife, no kids, living in a relative’s basement with a TV and internet for “company.”
CapnAmerica,
So in defense of your breaking our agreement you claim you are ignorant of the deal?
Perhaps now, yes, you can’t remember.
However, I pointed out the deal to you many times when you continued to break it over and over again.
It is rather funny how you can claim you are ignorant on the deal, but then claim that you know I kept calling you and others “unChristian”
Actually, for over a month I never said one thing about your faith or Chas’s faith. That was the deal.
The deal was that neither I nor you would attack each others faith.
You continued to join in with Maggotpunk in his usual mocking me for my being a Creationist.
For over a month I never said one thing to you other than point out that you kept breaking the deal.
So not only is your word worthless, but you are an ignorant liar too.
Creationism has nothing at all to do with Christianity.
Since it has nothing to do with the Christian religion, when I “attack” your fact-less and irrational position on the age of the universe, I am not attacking your faith.
Instead of “counting the generations” in Genesis and reaching an unknowable conclusion about the age of creation from the Bible, why don’t you look at what Christ actually said, Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.”
CapnAmerica,
I see that you are quoting the Bible again. What is that now, 4 verses you believe?
Too bad you don’t believe all the things Christ said or his followers.
At least you are using the Bible as a source. That is a plus. Good Job.
I dunno, Nathan.
Call me a stickler.
But I’m pretty sure “peacemaker” doesn’t mean invading a country that hasn’t attacked us (Iraq) based on a pack of lies (WMD’s) and killing a bunch of innocent civilians.
Thank God, I don’t have that on my conscience.
CapnAmerica,
Yeah, Hitler didn’t really attack us either… Nor were we attacked in WWI.
I must have missed the sub chapter where Jesus clearly explained that only can you attack another country when they directly attacked you.
I don’t have much on my conscience either. Iraq is under the leadership of an elected group of leaders instead of a brutal dictator and his evil sons.
But you liberals would have slept good at night knowing that the rape rooms and torture chambers under Saddam were all at full operating capacity?
Nathaniel posted October 31, 2008 at 12:47 am
But you liberals would have slept good at night knowing that the rape rooms and torture chambers under Saddam were all at full operating capacity?
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http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
“Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.”
Yeah, you stick to your story, Nathan. See how it plays in front of the THRONE where there’s no hiding place on Judgement Day.
I sleep a lot better now too, knowing that the rape rooms and torture chambers are fully manned by our own paid staffers.
See CACI and Blackwater. Also Abu Ghraib. Also Gitmo. Also CIA Special Rendition.
Trot out your excuses before the omniscient Judge, see if HE buys the “I had to kill people to save people” line.
Good luck.
Oh my!
Whats this????
CapnAmerica, you think that there will be a judgement?
I am shocked! Here I thought that everyone got to go to heaven and that you had no idea what standards there were if there were any at all to get in.
Now all of a sudden you are talking about a judgement?
Who are you? Is someone stealing your nic? First you quote the Bible and now you talk about judgement? Regular, is that you stealking another nic?
CapnAmerica,
Would you defend your life or the life of someone in your family if you had to kill someone or would you die and/or allow someone to kill a family member?
Actually, Nathan, I thought about this at some length after I logged off last night.
My “representative and participatory” government chose to go to war with Iraq and in the process killed a lot people (and children) whose only crime was being born in a country with a leader we didn’t like.
Even though I opposed the war and wrote letters and protested in the street to stop it, I could have done more.
I could have stopped paying my income taxes. About 50 percent of income taxes are war taxes. If just 10 percent of Americans stopped paying their taxes — like Thoreau did during the Mexican War — this immoral and illegal war would have come to a grinding halt.
But . . . as Elie Weisel writes in his book about the Holocaust, Night, “The question was not how this one man Hitler could be so evil; the question is how so many many millions had not the courage to be good.”
I confess that I had not the courage to be good. I chose the path of least resistance and refused to go to jail and lose my house and my job and imperil my family’s finances rather than do what I know to be the right thing to do–the godly thing to do.
So, I’ll have to answer for my cowardice and weakness on judgement day too.
BTW, Thoreau refused to pay a “poll tax” not “income tax” which had not been levied at that time yet.
But it amounts to the same thing.
Just pre-empting the CON nit-picks.
Nathan,
Would you shoot somebody dead because a liar told you that they might be a threat to you sometime in the future?
We all know the answer to that.
The answer is “yes.”
CapnAmerica,
For someone so concerned with doing the right thing, why do you lie about me?
I would only use deadly force when someone was threatening my life or the life of someone else or serious bodily harm. (At that time)
Now, why don’t you answer my question?
You mocked me for believing that you have to kill people to save people.
So, do you actually believe that statement or not:
Would you sit by and do nothing to protect your family from harm if it meant you had to kill someone to do so?
Would you call the Police to protect your family knowing that they might have to kill someone to protect you?
Also, what is this judgement you speak of.
In all our discussions you mocked me everytime I brought up judgement.
So now all of a sudden you think there is going to be a judgement? What are the standards? Where would I find such information?
“Nathaniel” bears false witness –
“I would only use deadly force when someone was threatening my life or the life of someone else or serious bodily harm. (At that time)”
You left out “…or if someone shot my dog,” boy.
MonkeyHawk,
I never said any such thing liar.
You guys twist the truth for so long that you can’t even remember that you were the ones who created the lie to begin with.
And that is why you are an idiot.
Nathan asks, “Would you sit by and do nothing to protect your family from harm if it meant you had to kill someone to do so?”
That explains a lot about you.
You’re just not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Don’t you remember me saying how I pulled a 12 gauge shotgun on a guy who was ransacking my truck in my drive way?
So, yeah, I would defend myself and my family with all necessary force from an attacker.
But that has nothing at all to do with dropping tax payer funded bombs and missiles and grenades on innocent Iraqis who’s only crime is being born in the country controlled by Saddam.
That’s the logic of the terrorist–”I hate the policies of your government, so I will try to kill you.” Nevermind that I myself don’t support the policies of my government.
That’s exactly what Al Qaeda did on 9-11. They hated that the US Presidents — H. W. Bush, Clinton, W. Bush — stationed troops in Arabia, so they targetted innocent civilians in America.
Actually, it worked.
Our troops were quietly pulled out of Arabia after 9-11.
We finally corrected what we shouldn’t have done in the first place.
CapnAmerica,
You make very generic comments like:
“He had to kill people to save people”
So I ask you if you would defend your family.
So, what will you tell God:
That you had to kill people to save people?
That was the point of my question and then you say I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer?
Then, like the typical liberal attitue towards the military, you say we drop bombs on innocent Iraqi’s.
We do not do this on purpose. We take the greatest care to ensure the least amount of collateral damage.
When the enemy chooses to use those innocent people as cover, then they are the ones who make them collateral damage.
Meanwhile, liberals like you attack our military instead of the cowards hiding.
CapnAmerica,
So you agreed with the terrorists attacking civilians then? As long as the ends justify the means?
CapnAmerica,
Do you think that our bombing of the German industrial complex which resulted in the deaths of many thousands of Germans was wrong?
Or should we have continued to allow Germany to crank out all the tanks, ammo, and planes they could while they continued to kill the Jews and march across Europe?
Good grief. . .
Now Nathaniel is trying make Bush’s flawed, preemptive invasion of Iraq in 2003 equivalent to WWII.
Cosmos,
I guess you don’t understand a comparison do you?
Cosmos,
I am specifically comparing the actions our military takes in attacking the enemy.
I was not attempting to equate the current war in Iraq to that of WWII.
Anyone who can ask if bombing German factories producing munitions was okay, and at the same time claim that Iraq is not WWII, is hardly worth arguing with.
The difference is that the German factories were part of serious threat to conquer Europe and America.
Of course they should have been taken out.
I’m convinced that even dropping the Bomb on Hiroshima was necessary. The Japanese needed an overwhelming reason to quit, and the not one but two bombs we dropped, gave them that reason.
But that situation is not even remotely like the puny, pitiful once-beaten Iraq and the pack of lies that led us to war there.
There’s no comparison. One is justified. The other is completely unjustified.
CapnAmerica,
Once again, the comparison was not of the war. It was of the actions taken.
You claimed that we are bombing innocent people. The truth is that we go out of our way to ensure the least amount of collatoral damage is done.
Instead of addressing my points or answering my questions you grab ahold of some obscure point which I was not trying to make and argue against it.
Care to be intellectually honest enough to answer my questions and address the points I made or do you wish to coninue arguing against your strawman?
Sorry, Nathan.
I know when I’m licked.
You can’t teach multiplication to a pig
Or reason with a Price.
“We do not do this [kill civilians] on purpose.”
But you do drop bombs knowing that civilians will be killed.
You don’t know which ones or how many, but you do know some are going to be killed.
It’s a distinction without a difference.
When David sent Uriah into battle so that he could marry Bathsheba, he didn’t know for sure that Uriah would die . . .
He was still punished for it though, wasn’t he.
See if you can argue your case better than David on Judgement Day.
Good luck with that.
The bombing of Germany during World War II is a stain on this country. It was gratuitous and unneccesarily brutal. It also actually did very little to effect the German war effort.
CapnAmerica,
Not always do we drop bombs knowing civilians will be killed.
My point is that the way you characterize our military for being at fault is wrong.
The enemy who chooses to hide amoung the civilians is the one who puts them in harms way and gets them killed, not us.
And my other point was that we do everything we can to minimize the loss of innocent life and to avoid it.
How that compares with someone sending someone off to war to get his wife, I have to admit, I don’t get.
Then again, using the Bible is obviously not your strong point.