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Well, here we go. Let’s hope both candidate gives us substance and treats this election with the importance it holds!
Obama Wins!
Will McCain’s lies go into the double digits, or triple?
At least McCain looked at Obama! That’s a good start.
McCain, in a senile moment, yells at Obama to get off his lawn.
Is Brokaw drunk or sober? I can’t tell.
Everyone should be watching CNN.
The “meter” is a very nice touch, uncommitted voters in the swing state of Ohio.
Ah, McCain knows how, but he isn’t gonna tell us!
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) starts out with “I know how to….” and doesn’t bother to do the specifics Obama referenced in his answer.
Didn’t e-Bay just announce layoffs?
Live Debate Blogging on Huffington Post:
“9:03 – Jason Linkins: The candidates will have demarcated areas of the stage that they may walk around in. Each candidate has had their territory marked by urinating wolves, who were later shot by Sarah Palin, with helicopters.”
Ah, there’s a difference between bail-out and rescue! And now McCain doesn’t answer the question but instead makes it about HIM.
Warren Buffet, a Democrat and Obama supporter. That’s a good pick for McCain, choosing a Democrat.
As for Ebay solving our problems? Yeah, hold a garage sale, save your home that way.
Ut oh, Senator Obama is smiling.. I see a gotcha comin’
McCoot –
“We have to stabilize markets.”
Like the Dow today?
Yes, Linda, it’s the Blame Game.
Down 500, was it, Monkeyhawk?
Neither man is impressive in this answer! Both using lots of words to say NOTHING.
The Keating Five guy is going to whine that Obama gets donations from mortgage companies?
Oliver changed his named to Allen? Classy McCain, forget the name of the guy you are talking to.
Who’s paying for buying up the bad mortgages?
We have exports in America?
Oh, yeah, all those jobs to India…
“American workers are the best in the world.”
Thank goodness McCodger isn’t pandering with platitudes.
Here’s what I’m going to do…
That’s what we’re here for! Thank you, Senator Obama!
As the numbers of workers keeps going down and the number of unemployed keeps going up… The best workers are losing their jobs.
LOL!
Net spending cut…
Such politician speak…
“Reform” seems to be McCain’s key word.
McCain’s bipartisanship ended it 2000 when he sold his soul to Bush and the neocons.
Negative doesn’t get it! No one wants to hear blame.
Somebody ask McCain how much his running mate got in pork barrel projects. And if the money was spent on what it was given for.
Drill, baby, drill!
Sorry Republicans, McCain is getting his a** kicked as of 8:23 pm CDT.
McCain knows how to fix EVERYTHING! Sure wish he would give us a few hints about any plans!
McCain is a reformer, he only voted with Bush 90% of the time.
“I know how to fix this economy….”
McC*nt is channeling “Regular!” “Regular” knows everything!
Let’s put our retirement in the stock market!!!
McCain’s worm goes flat, he isn’t pleasing the crowd tonight with his typical BS.
Drinking words:
My friends
maverick
reform
Sorry, Linda, he only knows sound bytes. Planning isn’t something he knows how to do.
McCain knows how to get us off foreign oil, fix the economy, win the wars, deliver another one of Sarah Palin’s babies, and find that missing sock when you did laundry last week.
He sure doesn’t want to get specific about health care! He wants to add the value of benefits to taxable income, then after you’ve paid through the kazoo he’ll give a little tax credit that eventually goes to insurers! And, you know how McCain will pay for that tax credit to insurance companies? He reduces both medicare and medicaid benefits!
;^) “lindainks55″ –
If you didn’t type so fast I’d get your comments in before you do.
Obviously tonight’s drinking game phrase is “I know how to….”
And a nice subtle dig from Obama regarding JFK’s man on the moon challenge. “No one knew how to do it, but….”
But the Fred Mertz look-alike knows. He just told you he did!
McCain already admitted he doesn’t know anything about the economy but he’ll fix it.
He’ll fix health care by eliminating employer health plans and replace it with a $5,000 tax credit.
He’ll win the wars like he won Vietnam.
He’ll fix our dependence on foreign oil by using his 13 cars for a huge car pool.
Yeah, Fiora, the first thing we’ll do is cut your Medicare and Social Security.
Hey there, Wichita!
McCrash just did to Boeing what he did with five fighter jets!
McCain will cut spending by giving the rich and corporations huge tax cuts and make the dollar so worthless that nobody will loan us money. So we’ll be forced to cut spending, since America will be broke.
Again, Obama answers the question!
And if McCain says, “I know how” a few more times we can all be drunk!
Remember what McCain did to Boeing on the Tankers. He made sure that a foreign company would get the chance to bid on an American Tanker.
Sorry Republicans, McCain is getting his a** kicked as of 8:34 pm CDT.
McCain said American workers are the best in the world and he signed legislation that would outsource defense contracts to foreign nations. So America is the best but he just wants subpar labor to build and maintain our military.
“Nailing Jello*” to the wall.
That is just STUPID!
The economy is bad? Did I hear McCain say the economy is bad? Who told him that? Obama?
Obama’s right, the working people sacrifice, the rich get tax breaks.
No, the old coot isn’t getting it done. He really is without plans, without strategies, and out of touch. All he has going for him is that he wants badly to be president. Badly being the key word!
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted October 7, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
Sorry Republicans, McCain is getting his a** kicked as of 8:34 pm CDT.
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Stop smoking crack and try to listen objectively.
Only a moron would make such a conclusion as your, Mr. Wannabe
McCain just threw Bush and his tax cuts under the bus!
hah! Brokaw just slapped Obama down on a response. :D
Come on Reg, look at reality!
Hoover was a Republican.
Why didn’t McCain mention the only President to cut taxes during a war is Bush? You know, the tax cuts McCain voted for.
saying the words QUARTER OF A MILLION has an impact! A greater impact than 250,000.
McCain is repeating the Bush mantra of going out and spending money. Spend, spend, spend, it’s all McCain knows.
The old coot is doing the sneering stuff while Obama speaks.
Palin said she wants to eliminate Medicare, does McCain share that view?
McCain has stated previously that he wants to tax health insurance as if it were income.
“We know what the fixes are.”
I’m gonna need a designated driver.
It’s ALL about McCain again. And it doesn’t play well.
Too many lobbyists, John? Fire them from your campaign!
McCain has three health care plans. Would he be able to get health care with just $5,000 with his history of cancer?
Tough economic times. But they’re SOUND tough economic times.
McCain wanted to privatize social security and invest it in the stock market. How is that stock market doing these days?
Does McCain know what tough economic times are? Does that mean they have to turn some lights out when nobody is home in one of those 9 houses?
Uh-oh.
McClimate-Change just made “HLP’s” brain hemorrhage.
McCain’s solution for medicare is for the American people to tell Congress to fix it? Ummm, how about fixing it?
Does John have a problem discerning the difference between “altenate” and alternative”?
McCain didn’t vote for that Lieberman bill.
The contrast is great on this subject and it favors Obama big time!
MHawk, be nice to old Hank. He does love the dogs!
McCain says nuclear waste is clean and the mining and refining of uranium is clean. That’s news to everyone.
Nuclear power has allot of political enemies in the environmentalist groups.
“Give EVERYBODY a tax cut.” Like that guy on CSPAN who walked off with ahalf billion dollars!
Nuclear waste can be processed .
“turn it over to the private sector”
That’s a McCain mantra!
McCain is also a big oil supporter.
He really is old, isn’t he. He simply can’t keep up. Town hall meetings might be his favorite forum but only when he isn’t sharing the stage and being shown up!
Yeah Blaidd, the private sector.
Or do you want to buy your next car from the Government.
..and end up with pieces of crap automobiles like the Soviets and other Iron Curtain countries had.
rs, Ben/bth has some great ideas on processing nuclear waste for energy.
Man, McCain can’t stand to look at Obama.
This really sad.
John McCain should have never ran for POTUS, this is a disgrace to him.
East Germany’s Traband cars with 2-stroke engines…
Gas went below $3 a gallon, is that because of all the new oil wells or because demand went down?
It seems you are going over the edge there Reg!
Do you you see “socialism” everywhere?
I can’t look at McCain.
How the F### would McCain know about the costs of healthcare? How long has his been paid for? By US.
Why is McCain walking around when Obama is talking? Did he think another one of those durn kids was on his lawn?
Gas demand went down…
McCoot just described Obama’s answer.
But neither answered the question.
“Should health care be a commodity?”
Not the best moment for either candidate.
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted October 7, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
It seems you are going over the edge there Reg!
Do you you see “socialism” everywhere?
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I didn’t go over the edge, when you mentioned your position against private business building anything, you stepped right into the socialist quicksand.
Government mandates I’m always a little nervous about… BECAUSE I am a DEregulator!
Obama just hit a homerun!
“Maggotpunk” notes –
“…McCain walking around when Obama is talking?”
The return of Admiral Stockdale!
For some reason when McCain is talking I just want to hit a big gong. That’s gong, not bong, but maybe both would help.
Reg, actually I think I just raised a question rather than advance a “socialist” cause. You seem to be defending the profiteering of the current MALadminisration.
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted October 7, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink
Reg, actually I think I just raised a question rather than advance a “socialist” cause. You seem to be defending the profiteering of the current MALadminisration.
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Yeah, Okay…
Let me know how your Obama motor car or your Hussein refrigerator will be working for you.
Grampa McSimpson — Did we hear the size of the fine?”
Because, of course, the key to the Republic Party is if law-breakers can afford to break the law rather than obey it.
Two-thirds finished and McCain is doing very poorly in a debate where he needed to do well.
Obama nails McNasty on SCHIP. Obama’s clearly the winner, I’m out.
I thought McCain said earlier that we need to cut military spending. Was I dreaming?
Was Iraq worth it? I think not.
Remember, folks, it isn’t “The Surge” that’s cut violence in Iraq. And that’s from the WH/Pentagon.
Come on Reg, that’s a hypothetical extreme.
Why don’t you defend McCain’s positions rather than attacking Obama?
Recent poll said that MccAin needs on the job training. AP pol says McCain only has 68% of the required experience.
Obama is a rookie, a know nothing and a professional bull sh%t artist with a nice speaking voice.
That’s the only qualifications he has.
Might as well vote in one of those speakers on late night infomercials if that’s the only qualifications you want in a President.
Yes! Too much spent on Iraq! OB is correct.
Isn’t the presidents main job to speak?
Okay Reg, what REAL “qualifications” does McCain actually have to offer this country?
Obama is a thinker. Not just a speaker.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran…
Reagan is McCain’s hero. ‘Nuff said.
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rsmueller
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink
Isn’t the presidents main job to speak?
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Ummm no,
Just look at the oath of office for a clue.
Does I know those situations count? I was getting a little dry!
McCain is not a cool hand for the tiller. He is a hot head!
“…in concert with our allies.”
McCoot drags out the surge.
Flop-sweat.
Do the CONs really fall for this vague concept of “victory” and “honor?”
What is the definition of “victory” in Iraq?
“I know….”
Damn. I hope I don’t fall of the floor.
Reg, aren’t you grasping at “straws” tonight?
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
Reg, aren’t you grasping at “straws” tonight?
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No, I actually think about things before I open my mouth and make a fool of myself like the posters on the Lib side tonight. :)
You mean to tell me you think and then you say those things? WOW!
I thought McCain said Reagan is his hero.
Okay Reg.
How do you label me as a “Lib”?
McCain is pretty loud himself.
No, I actually think about things before I open my mouth and make a fool of myself like… McCain?
McCain is flatlining. Any one have paddles?
Obama has such complete control of this debate!
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
Okay Reg.
How do you label me as a “Lib”?
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It’s a three letter word, easy to type and I don’t have to go down the list of weasel terms to ‘pin the tail’ on that particular breed of donkey.
Yes! He did say bomb Iran
“Speaking softly”
vs.
“Bomb! Bomb! Bomb!
Bomb-Bomb Iran!”
Nailed it!
“I understand what it’s like…”
“I know how to get him.”
Anyone know Bill W’s phone number?
Let’s send McCain to Pakistan so he can get Bin Laden. I’m sure Cindy can afford the plane fare for him.
Come on Reg, don’t just post crap.
Tell all of us how I am a “liberal”?
Joke?
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Blaidd_Drwg69
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink
Come on Reg, don’t just post crap.
Tell all of us how I am a “liberal”?
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Go fish.
McCain is near a total melt-down.
So McCain was a strategist in the AF? Was he stratergizing when he crashed?
If all the pre-debate analysis was correct and McCain needed a game changer tonight, he is shot outta luck.
Back to the Surge.
Back to “victory.”
Isn’t it amazing how people living in an armed camp tend to want to behave?
McCain has all the answers?
McCain was a Navy pilot, not USAF.
We still have allies?
He does, rsmueller! He knows how, he just is gonna keep it a secret.
“Naked aggression into Georgia.”
As opposed to, say, “Naked aggression into Iraq?”
I can’t see McCain being able to communicate in a constructive way with Putin.
rs, my bad. I knew that. Duh.
And nothing about Ayers?
I thought that was the single most important issue in the world.
We still have allies?
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Yes, if we make the right decisions. They and the entire world are watching this election closely. They’re wondering if America can be as stupid in 2008 as they were in 2004.
MH, that’s only for Palin to address. ;)
“Maybe.”
Thanks for your leadership Senator McCoot.
Well she has those lines memorized! We can’t expect her to turn around a good line too quickly!
Why is Israel the only country that McCain is worried about? Since 1948, we favored Israel which has been a thorn in our side.
Good question! McCain already told us he knows so it will be especially tough for him.
Sitting down and talking is always a good first step.
NOPE! Obama that is a cop out! What do you NOT know and how will you learn it???
McCodger just pissed off the Chinese.
Obama provides specifics about a nuclear Iran.
You don’t just talk to your friends (since Shrub, we don’t have very many), you have to talk to your enemies.
“How many times do you have to be hit in the head before you notice who’s hitting you?” — Harry Truman
I’m disappointed in Obama’s lack of answer!
“We’ve seen that dream diminish.”
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) is up…
Can you drink that fast, MonkeyHawk? I had real trouble there with all those I KNOWs straight in a row!
“What I don’t know is what the unexpected will be.”
But “I know, I know, I know, I know….”
I just ran out of wine.
Strong McCain finish. Bravo!
Palin won’t cut it in intenational talks as a VP.
hah! Brokaw and his script. :)
Obama will will get my vote.
Palin won’t cut it in any talks without memorized lines. She couldn’t hold her own over the back fence in my neighborhood!
And Cindy just follows along with her smile pasted on…
Did this debate change anyones vote rs?
I guess I would have to say Biden couldn’t cut it in my neighborhood either. If that is important I mean.
another ho hum debate
Could have read about this online or in a newspaper.
yawn…
My thoughts exactly Reg.
“okobserver” –
McCoot’s “great finish?”
Sounded like Yogi Berra:
“Predictions are tough. Especially when they involve the future.”
John S (for Senile) McCain the 3rd (for Shrub’s 3rd term):
“What I don’t know is what the unexpected will be.”
Last debate, I called pretty much a draw. This one I have to give to Obama by a wide margin. Better prepared, better answers.
Monkey and what was Obamas great line? Do you even remember – I don’t.
Linda,
You couldn’t hold your own over the back fence in your neighborhood either!
JMWalker
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:40 pm | Permalink
Last debate, I called pretty much a draw. This one I have to give to Obama by a wide margin.
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Of course you would Walker.
Your mind was made up who was going to win before the debate started.
I felt Obama did very well and BEST when he said health care should be every Americans right!
JM I honestly couldn’t give it to either one. The depth of their answers left a lot to be desired. Obama probably sold a lot of people on his health care plan. McCain was certainly better on national security. The economy I would have to give to McCain by a small margin. Obama still has a history that he didn’t sufficiently explain to me. McCain missed an opportunity to drill him on ACORN.
Overall boring.
How many liberals thought McCain won?
How many conservatives thought Obama won?
‘Nuff said about the value of opinions here.
Personally, I thought it was a snorefest.
Well Linda I called that one right. That was the one thing I expected to hit home with most people.
Pat Buchanan just said “Obama came off as presidential.”
Hmmm. Think that might be an important quality for a, say, president?
Of course Pat thinks McC*nt won the debate. That’s job security for Buchanan.
It reminded me of when Mohamed Ali was fighting the palookas-of-the-month.
Then again, like “Rocky,” McCodger considers it a win just for getting out of the ring upright.
McCoot came out as the George Chuvalo of American politics.
Obama still had some very ambitious spending bills that he didn’t explain how he would pay for since he said he would not raise taxes.
McCain came across as a strong fiscal conservative and I like that. He very clearly showed how Obamas new taxes would punish small businesses – the greatest job creaters in the country.
’snorefest’ is a good description okobserver.
There wasn’t anything there in the debate to impress anyone with half a brain.
The problem with saying that health care is a right… is that “health care” is so many things.
If there are 100 people who need liver transplants and only 80 livers, what happens to the “rights” of those 20 who will not get a liver?
What about obese people who take no care of themselves?
Is it their “right” to have everyone else pay for their health care because of they will not eat healty or exercise?
What about those who purposefully do dangerous things like sky diving, riding motor cycles, and other things?
Should we have to pay for their “right” to have health care fix them when they are broken?
The entire notion that health care is some right is simply absurd.
You might as well say that having a job, car, home, food, and clothing is a “right” as well.
Next thing you know we are all lining up in the government lines like the good little slaves we are and doing the jobs we are told to do, and good bye choice and freedom.
No Minds on the WE Blog were changed.
There are no minds here.
Monkey what is wrong with using McCains real name. Is this something you haven’t evolved to yet?
Anyone else notice how Obama pronouces Packy Stawn and Taly Bawn?
Very Arabic pronunciation, dontcha think?
“MY GUY WON!!!!!”
Translation – it was a draw. McCain supporters will think he won; Obama supporters will think HE won.
McCain did have one very interesting idea I would like to see explored further: buying up mortgages to help homeowners by writing them down. Perhaps he will develop that idea in coming days.
“MaxGrobnik
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink
Anyone else notice how Obama pronouces Packy Stawn and Taly Bawn?
Very Arabic pronunciation, dontcha think?”
Gee – maybe he looked up the correct pronunciation so he would get it right. Especially in view of the need to show some respect to our supposed ally Pakistan.
What about smokers?
Is it their “right” to be treated for cancer, get lung transplants, and be taken care of at everyone elses expense because of their unhealthy choice to smoke?
Shall we have to pay for the “right” of health care for those who chew tobaco and need surgery on their jaw, lips, gums, etc?
How far does this “right” to health care go?
Drudge say 71% think McCain won. This is an unscientific vote of course. They also said it was ‘boring’. That is entirely right and appears to be the consensus vote.
Later.
BTW Reg I hope you saw your invite to the ‘meetup’ that Nathan and I planned. BJ was so concerned that you hadn’t been invited. You know how concerned he is about things like that. Looking forward to meeting you and Nathan. If we look closely we will probably see BJ drive by.
If it was recent okobserver, I probably missed it, not been hovering over the WE blog of late.
Fat? Lazy? Sloth?
Hey, no worries! Health care is your right. Linda will be paying, please see her to pay your bills for not taking care of yourselves.
Pawki Stawn.
Taly Bawn.
WTF Obama?
Okobserver,
That Tiahrt thing was on the 16th?
I will plan on going, but would still be interested in food after. Unless they are feeding us?
Ooops!!!
T Y P O !!!
Pawki Stawn.
Tallee Bawn.
WTF Obama?
WHAT?
Did I miss a Tiarht Amendment Topic?
Dang!
Now how exactly did Obama answer that question about what he has to learn yet?
Oh, HIS WIFEY will tell him what he doesn’t know!!!
Ha.
Ha.
Fukin Ha Ha.
But he didn’t answer the question.
Except to say:
I fukin KNOW IT ALL ALREADY!!!!!
What an igotistical dumbass.
Was glad to see the ‘manhattan project’ style of energy development come up. Don’t think either actually made a firm direct commitment (would have liked to have heard that). But from their emphasis on developing new alternative fuel, I’d have to give a much greater probability that Obama would implement such a policy.
The debate tonight wasn’t a game changer, probably changed even fewer minds than the v.p. debate did. Pretty much a toss up, did see mccain pacing a few times when it wasn’t his turn to be up. Got a little hot when Obama first insisted on a follow up, tried to cut in once when it wasn’t his turn.
Would probably marginally give the debate to Obama, given that this was mccain’s perceived favored debate forum.
Thought brokaw kept bringing up time limit on Obama every chance he got, gave mccain a pass several times, but did occassionally call him on it too.
I thought brokaw was a lib., sure didn’t see any favortism for Obama?
No knockouts.
Basically fairly even.
I give the debate to Obama on style. McCain was doddery early. And “Well not YOU Tom!” What was that?
Obama’s only slip was on Pakistan in asking for a rebuttal. But this provoked a glaring bit from McCain stammering that, “I can get bin Laden. I know how. I know how to get him.”
BUT?
McCain is trailing and momentum is against him. He needed a clean, clear win. He didn’t get it. So it is a tactical loss.
Mccain played it safe too, only thing he didn’t know was the future. But it’s the future everyone’s worried about.
Yeah, Healthcare is your RIGHT!!!
Where is THAT in the US Constitution?
Yet Obamaman, doesn’t believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms!!!!
Obama, your future Fuhrer! Heil!
(Now, who pays for YOUR RIGHT TO HEALTH CARE? The same one who pays for YOUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS?)
“McCain did have one very interesting idea I would like to see explored further: buying up mortgages to help homeowners by writing them down. Perhaps he will develop that idea in coming days.
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That would surely piss off alot of Kansans, who’ve been taught to believe the problem was caused by the irresponsible borrowers.
“did see mccain pacing a few times when it wasn’t his turn to be up.”
Yup.
THIS was the case in the Biden/Palin debate as well.
Both Biden and Obama listen intently and politely when the opponent is speaking. Palin looks at her lectern and McCain paces like a caged animal.
Biden and Obama let their opponents hang themselves by hanging back.
A first strike by Israel on Iran,is much more likely than Iran ever attacking Israel. That was a dumb question.
“And I’m the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent now says he’ll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that’s one resort he’ll be checking into. My opponent, my opponent won’t rule out raising taxes. But I will. And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I’ll say no. And they’ll push, and I’ll say no, and they’ll push again, and I’ll say, to them, ‘Read my lips: no new taxes.’”
isn’t this what McCain said tonight?
“Yeah, Healthcare is your RIGHT!!!”
Not yet. But it should be. And it will be.
Free Housing is a Right.
why should healthcare be a right?
It never has been before.
And if healthcare is a right, who gets to decide what level of healthcare you have a right to?
Do all Americans have a right to any and all treatments that could possibly help care?
“Regular” admits –
“There wasn’t anything there in the debate to impress anyone with half a brain.”
Thanks, “Regular,” for reporting in on behalf of those “with half a brain.”
Joe six packs across America must have been disappointed tonight, don’t think I heard the word Maverick! Even POW! Was alluded to a few times on the maverick deal, and in the closing about pow thing, by mccoot.
Free Housing is a Right
Mccain’s getting there.
for those of us with two halves of a brain, was there anything in the debate to make anyone reconsider who they will vote for, or reconsider their stance on any of the issues?
“okobserver” snits –
“Monkey what is wrong with using McCains real name.”
You mean John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term)?
Seems I’ve mention’s McCoot’s full name a few times in this forum.
Got another shot?
brian_nuevo
Posted October 7, 2008 at 10:23 pm | Permalink
why should healthcare be a right?
It never has been before.
And if healthcare is a right, who gets to decide what level of healthcare you have a right to?
Do all Americans have a right to any and all treatments that could possibly help care?
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Good question, LEVEL (quality) of Healthcare
You shall have the right to:
Bandaids
One Thermometer
One Doctor visit per 5 years
And all your records shall be public, videotaped, and on You Toobe.
(Sorta the correct pruh nun see ashun for YouTube, like Pawk E Stan)
“don’t think I heard the word Maverick”
And you won’t.
Sarah Palin wore it out.
Tina Fey as Sarah Palin helped with that.
McCain needs a new moniker that is similar to “Maverick”.
“Lone wolf”
No not good. Sarah Palin is in favor of shooting wolves from helicopters.
“Rebel without a cause?”
No, James Dean was gay. McCain aint gonna touch that.
Renegade?
How about “loose cannon”?
Obama’s new song:
Raise high the flag,
The ranks are closed and tight,
Storm Troopers march,
With firm and steady step.
Souls of the comrades
Shot by Reds and Countermight
Are in our ranks
And march along in step.
Open the road
For these, the brown battalions.
Let’s clear the way
For the storm trooperman.
In hope, to the flaggy thing,
Rise the eyes of millions,
Dawn breaks for freedom
And bread and healthcare and housing
and allkinds of free stuff
for all man.
This is the final
Bugle call to arms.
Already we are set
Prepared to fight.
Soon Obama’s flags will wave
O’er every single street.
Enslavement ends
When soon we set things right.
Free automobeels is a right.
Free vacations is a right.
Free Telly Vision and/or Cable TV widescreen Hi Def iz a right.
sheeat. Obama cannot even follow the rules he signed for the debate. You guys want to trust him with the Constitution?
He tap dances purty good.
The following is a lie:
, don’t think I heard the word Maverick! Even POW! Was alluded to a few times on the maverick deal, and in the closing about pow thing, by mccoot.
McCain is a real veteran. He did not ever brag or bring up his confinement, horrible torture which left his body the way it looked upon that stage.
Only an idiot who has never served could make such an ignorant post.
Funny thing about the Fuhrer Obama, he kept talking about a whole bunch of new GIMMEE programs, to include giving tax cuts to 95% of us. But he kept contradicting himself by calling us “a rich nation” which can afford everything (to include policing the world), and being broke under Bush.
Damn it! WHich is it?
Shrill cons.
You all are just shrill as McCain was at a few points this evening.
Can we do this?
The viewers of Fox “news” are scoring the debate 86 to 12 for McCain over Obama. About the same score they gave Palin over Biden.
Now, come on.
Is there ANYONE here who will defend that?
86 to 12?
Are there any takers here that will say McCain just absolutely destroyed Senator Obama?
Screw the polls. What counts is coming in less than one month. But by all means, libs, waste all day TOMORROW posting about your opinions on everyone elses opinions.
Let me know how far that gits ya.
The Libs gather intensely watching their Savior in the “Great” Debate.
Their only HOPE for Change is on the line.
Will the Libs be saved, or will they have to go work for a living.
The question of whether they survive for Free or Not, is on the line.
The Conservatives, don’t need Government. Their concern is how much Freedom is Obamaman gonna take from them, to give away to those who don’t care to work and haven’t earned their own way in life.
The Conservatives survival isn’t DEPENDENT ON Govenment.
The Libs can’t make it on their own man! Life is toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdd!!!
They need hepp. They need a nanny. They need someone to wipe their snotty noses they are too lazy, and uneducated to wipe on their own.
They be LibBabies. Cabbage Patch Libs. Please go adopt one of em now! Take care of em.
Dey Need Yous to hep him now!
RoaCH
Posted October 7, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink
Funny thing about the Fuhrer Obama, he kept talking about a whole bunch of new GIMMEE programs, to include giving tax cuts to 95% of us. But he kept contradicting himself by calling us “a rich nation” which can afford everything (to include policing the world), and being broke under Bush.
Damn it! WHich is it?
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Very good point.
If only 5% of America is RICH, how can we be a rich nation?
Oh, after we take from the 5% to give to the 95%, then we ALL be rich!
I get it now.
Sorta like the Nazi’s blaming a small percentage of the population for ALL THE ILLS on their country.
If ya just beat up on the small minority, then you make an enemy to U-NITE behind, to scapegoat your way to prosperity by putting down some of the people to make most of the people happy.
Ya just gotta wonder if you be in the good half or the bad half, ya that’s all ya gotta worry about.
THe question from the 70+ year old man asking what Americans would have to sacrifice. Hell, Obama told the old fart he didn’t have to give up a damn thing. In fact, Obama’s gonna give him a tax break!
Did you hear Obama tap dance around the Social Security question.
The question was pretty direct: We ALL know something must be done for SS and Medicare, what do you propose to do.
Obama cannot ANSWER. He MUST skirt this question.
Why?
Because liberals have been given the tape recording which says ALL IS WELL with social security. Bush was EVIL to even THINK about fixing it.
Remember Capn America? It ain’t broke.
HA!
Instead of Jews, for the Obama Nation, the United States of Acorn, it is the evil rich people.
If you recall, the jews had wealth in Germany too.
The ACORN brownshirts are coming for us all.
BlueJay points at “Max” and laughs.
This is the first, national and Presidential election for this blog.
The Republicans (cons) are going down in shame.
Nazi and the brown shirts flourished during a time of great economic depression in Germany. They fed on hatred. They used strong armed tactics. They commited voter fraud. They used German government funds to further their cause – and line the pockets of their followers.
Sound at all familiar?
“MaxGrobnik
Posted October 7, 2008 at 10:51 pm | Permalink
The Conservatives, don’t need Government. Their concern is how much Freedom is Obamaman gonna take from them, to give away to those who don’t care to work and haven’t earned their own way in life.
The Conservatives survival isn’t DEPENDENT ON Govenment”
huh…
if these things were true you would think McCain, Bush, and the rest of the Republican party in Congress would not have backed the $700B bailout.
and if this was true McCain (conservative?) would not have proposed another bailout by buying up mortgages….
“RoaCH
Posted October 7, 2008 at 11:00 pm | Permalink
Nazi and the brown shirts flourished during a time of great economic depression in Germany. They fed on hatred. They used strong armed tactics. They commited voter fraud. They used German government funds to further their cause – and line the pockets of their followers.
Sound at all familiar?”
Does sound familiar…had 8 years of it and ready to move on now.
BlueJay
Posted October 7, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink
BlueJay points at “Max” and laughs.
This is the first, national and Presidential election for this blog.
The Republicans (cons) are going down in shame.
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Is there a point or even a human thought in that statement?
Maybe just a beer fart and after flag flatuent moment for JR.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
JR you outta vaseline yet?
Maybe you burned that American Flag in front of your son cause you needed the flag pole for something else?
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink
No Minds on the WE Blog were changed.
There are no minds here.
*****
Yours inculded, tard…
Oh Davis,
Wondered what happened to you.
Your wit and name calling were sorely missed here.
Oh, and don’t forget the
Steven
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Davis.
(Like he has no EEEEGO without that EEEEEEEEE in his middle name.)
To use a football analogy.
It was third and long for McCain with his team behind late in the game.
McCain tried a running play. No gain.
Next week? It is fourth and forever.
I predict his “hail mary” will be decidedly nasty.
Another eloquent thought brought to you by:
JR aka BlueJay aka Savior of the World.
Obama owned McSame. Sad, but true…
You know that a presidential candidate is one hundred percent confident about winning a state when he flaunts it in a national debate that he knocked down a big-time deal from which the state would have benefited.
McCain knows he can talk about the tanker deal, even throw a little salt on the wound, and still carry Kansas by twelve points. Wichitans must have it all figured out somehow. Maybe they truly believe that if McCain gets in the White House, he will actually put his connection to Airbus aside and work on behalf of a “fair” bidding process.
At any rate, you have to admire the sheer confidence of it all. Here’s a presidential contender who went on national television and made an example out of shooting down the tanker deal. It’s one thing to shoot it down in a state that, from recent polling data at least, is planning to overwhelmingly support you. Quite another to go on TV and say, “Kansas? Yeah, they’re voting for me. Here’s how sure I am. Ready? I’ll use a deal that adversely affected them as an example. Take the Boeing tanker deal. Right? Kansas would have had jobs from that, but I shot it down.”
The state of Washington, however, may not be able to summon such a forgiving attitude toward the Senator. (That he mentioned the story may indicate that McCain understands he won’t win Washington, anyway.)
Oh, well. These are only jobs we’re talking about in a tight economy. Never mind.
“Royall
Posted October 7, 2008 at 11:23 pm | Permalink
You know that a presidential candidate is one hundred percent confident about winning a state when he flaunts it in a national debate that he knocked down a big-time deal from which the state would have benefited.
McCain knows he can talk about the tanker deal, even throw a little salt on the wound, and still carry Kansas by twelve points. Wichitans must have it all figured out somehow. Maybe they truly believe that if McCain gets in the White House, he will actually put his connection to Airbus aside and work on behalf of a “fair” bidding process.”
Unfortunately, most Kansans are not thinking about that in the poll booth.
They see the ‘R’ and check the box.
Sad.
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 7, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink
Oh, and don’t forget the
Steven
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Davis.
(Like he has no EEEEGO without that EEEEEEEEE in his middle name.)
*****
Thanks, Max. I am sure you have never been missed by anyone.
StevenEDavis
Posted October 7, 2008 at 11:21 pm | Permalink
Obama owned McSame. Sad, but true…
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Only in your own mind Steven EEEEEEEEEEEEEE Davis.
Conversing with Max, is a sure sign that you have nothing to do.
Night all.
Go back to your jar of vaseline Steven EEEEEEE.
If you need more, JR has a whole case and can loan you a jar or two.
No clean, clear victory for McCain is a tactical loss given his status as trailing and fading.
That will be the news for the rest of the week.
‘CNN Poll: Obama won the night‘
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/07/cnn-poll-obama-won-the-night/
“A national poll of debate watchers suggests that Barack Obama won the second presidential debate.
Fifty-four percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey conducted after the debate ended said that Obama did the best job in the debate, with 30 percent saying John McCain performed better.”
‘CBS Poll: Uncommitted Voters Say Obama Won Debate‘
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/politics/horserace/entry4508356.shtml
“Forty percent of the 516 uncommitted voters surveyed identified Barack Obama as tonight’s winner; 26 percent said John McCain won, while 34 percent saw the debate as a draw.”
More interesting details at link.
It should be noted and WILL be remembered by readers here.
I have my concerns as to Obama. I was a supporter of Senator Clinton.
Tonight, I found Senator Obama respectful, knowledgeable and interested.
I saw McCain as nervous, angry, and self serving.
Max is a joke here. One very sorry prick and one very dumb MoFo.
Can we send this very dumb MoFo somewhere else?
Well, I watched the debate. I didn’t hear all I wanted to from Obama, but heard considerably less from McCane.
McCane seems to be trying for the image that Eisenhower cultured, except with a snarl. He tried to be everybody’s grandpa, with all the same old platitudes and crotchety disposition. Unfortunately, he certainly convinced me that he thinks in platitudes.
One thing I noticed most is that he’s convinced the world still runs the way it did in the 1950’s, before Vietnam, before computers and before the energy/environmental crisis. He wants “our boys to come marching home from Iraq in victory,” but he seems to have no notion of what constitutes a victory anymore. He talked as if a war is still about controlling land, which was one of the major blunders of Vietnam. If that war taught us anything, it should have been that war is no longer about territory, it’s about people, and if you can’t win the people, you’ve lost the war.
I didn’t hear any understanding at all of our role in a global economy from McCane. Obama seemed to have at least some grasp of the issues involved, but didn’t articulate them as well as I’d hoped. He does seem to have an understanding of the information age that McCane doesn’t even know has arrived.
I would certainly have liked to hear more about any healthcare solutions either might have had. Being sympathetic just isn’t enough anymore.
McCane does say he wants our oil dollars to stop flowing to terrorists. Yeah, those damn Canadians (our largest source of oil imports) might invade us and force gay marriages on us all! Of course we already know about them Mexicans, our number three source of oil and number one in immigrants. Terrorists the lot! So let’s all go nukular and drill everybody’s back yard! Who knows, there might be oil under the doghouse. Obama did much better there.
All told, Obama kept his cool comfortably throughout the debate. There were several points where McCane very nearly lost his, and a couple where he clearly had no clue what the question was about and lapsed into fuzzy platitude. Obama took this one. Grandpa’s in the early stages of Alzheimers.
Two examples of MaxGrobnik’s posts on ‘Open’ tonight.
MaxGrobnik posted October 7, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Roooooolllllffffffffff!!!!!!!!!!
MaxGrobnik posted October 7, 2008 at 11:53 pm
There’s a sad sort of clanking
From the clock in the hall
And the bells in the steeple too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird
Is popping up to say cukoo!
Cukoo! Cukoo!
Regretfully they tell us
But firmly they compel us
To say goodbye to you.
So long
Farewell
Aufwiedersehn
Goodnight
I hate to go and leave this pretty sight
So long
Farewell
Aufwiedersehn
Adeiu
Adeiu Adeiu
To yieu and yieu and yieu
So long
Farewell
Au ‘voire
Aufwiedersehn
I’d like to stay and taste my first champagne
So long
Farewell
Aufwiedersehn
Goodbye
I leave and heave a sigh and say goodbye
Goodbye!
I’m glad to go I cannot tell a lie
I flit I float
I fleetly flee I fly
The sun has gone to bed and so must I
So long Farewell
Aufwiedersehn
Goodbye–
Goodbye…
Goodbye…
Goodbye…
Goodbye…
C-SPAN caught something after the debate that apparently the other stations/channels/networks didn’t.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0iIOqPGak
Watch the handshake…or rather the non-handshake by McCain.
Something else non-C-SPAN watchers might have missed. While Cindy was following John around like someone completely out of her element, Michelle and Barack were meeting with people in the room, having pictures taken with the audience members, and generally being people. John and Cindy escaped early.
Pre,
Yeah, I saw the non-handshake- I didn’t really interpret that as disdain, just that McCane was slower on the uptake than his wife.
Cos,
It’s Mini-Max with his mini-marbles, what did you expect?
I can be fair.
For a photo of the handshake aparently not seen by the studio cameras, it DID happen earlier on.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-insta-polls.html#more
What happened to earlier promises by John McCain not to sling mud?
Oh, wait! When you’re behind in the polls, it’s okay to do whatever it takes. Riiiiiiight…
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Predestined
Posted October 8, 2008 at 1:02 am | Permalink
C-SPAN caught something after the debate that apparently the other stations/channels/networks didn’t.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0iIOqPGak
Watch the handshake…or rather the non-handshake by McCain.
Something else non-C-SPAN watchers might have missed. While Cindy was following John around like someone completely out of her element, Michelle and Barack were meeting with people in the room, having pictures taken with the audience members, and generally being people. John and Cindy escaped early.
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I noticed it. It’s just an etiquette protocol that you introduce the person you are accompanying first before you shake their hand. It shows respect for the person you accompany and puts you in control of the situation by forcing the person you are interacting with on your terms instead of their terms.
It’s often used in royal or diplomatic functions as subtle maneuvers in establishing dominance.
Now you know. :)
There was a book on body language and etiquette, I have forgotten the name, but the diplomatic core used to have it on their reading list.
Reggie,
All well and good, but given the verbal swipes given and taken, this was hardly a diplomatic function. Seeing as the vast majority of his audience didn’t read that particular manual, it did come across as a major faux pas.
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Regular
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink
JMWalker
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:40 pm | Permalink
Last debate, I called pretty much a draw. This one I have to give to Obama by a wide margin.
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Of course you would Walker.
Your mind was made up who was going to win before the debate started.
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Actually, reg, I didn’t. But explaining that to you would be like trying to explain rocket science to a chimp.
Factcheck weighs in on the second debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html
“Actually, reg, I didn’t. But explaining that to you would be like trying to explain rocket science to a chimp.”
JM, PETA requests that you substitute “chump” for “chimp” in the above referenced quote. Animals have rights against slander also!
JMWalker
Posted October 8, 2008 at 5:31 am | Permalink
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But explaining that to you would be like trying to explain rocket science to a chimp.
There you go again. Insulting chimps. You should apologize to ALL primates for your smear.
“Screw the polls. What counts is coming in less than one month.”
SO roach, I guess we can expect you here on November 5 to discuss the only poll you care about?
Heheheheh. I bet it’s a nic that disappears forever.
I expect the blog to be really quiet and wingnut free immediately following the election. They, like grampa, wont want to take their medicine quietly…
They’ll bail.
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 7, 2008 at 9:53 pm | Permalink
Anyone else notice how Obama pronouces Packy Stawn and Taly Bawn?
Very Arabic pronunciation, dontcha think?
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I noticed McCain pronounced it the very same way. Is this your subtle way of repeating the Rush talking point that Obama is a muslim? Didn’t work the first 100 times it’s been said and won’t work now.
Phantom
Posted October 7, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink
Joe six packs across America must have been disappointed tonight, don’t think I heard the word Maverick! Even POW! Was alluded to a few times on the maverick deal, and in the closing about pow thing, by mccoot.
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I think Sarah Palin might have overused the maverick label last week and McCain’s handlers are telling him to drop the word for awhile.
But, then again, maybe McCain has dropped the maverick label. Perhaps since his sudden rush down to Washington with his Superhero cape to solve the Wall Street crisis resolved nothing! Heck, McCain could not even get his own party to support anything until they filled it with those famous pork barrel monies that McCain has vowed to cross off with his little pen and make their names famous.
Where is McCain’s little cross out pen now?
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) had ninety minutes last night to look Barack Obama in the eye and call him a terrorist sympathizer, or to refer to him as ‘Senator Hussein,’ or to question his patriotism, but McCoward didn’t have the guts.
Monkeyhawk, are you suggesting Bible Spice has more balls than mcsame?
I’m not surprised. Or disagreeing….
Uh, exactly what differentiates a maverick from a loose cannon? Watching Sarah Babe makes me ask.