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Wow . . . ditcha see McCain fold under that body blow?
Which one, JM? I was busy counting blinks. 14 in 10 seconds, not counting 2 look downs at his notes.
I’m watching the little line at the bottom of the screen. Women aren’t buying Palin! Men, however, are. Well, now it seems NOONE is buying McCain!
So now McCain is interrupting the moderator!
billions of dollars tht we’ve already played… er paid
If McCain rolls his eyes one more time, they’re going to fly out of the sockets are roll across the stage.
LOL >AND roll<
If it’s true McCain needed a home run, don’t you think he needs to get on base pretty soon?
How likely is it that if McCain’s $5000 healthcare plan is put into action the insurance companies (not to mention big pharma) will simply raise their rates?
Women like Obama. Men not so much. At least on health care.
But… no one, not men, not women, like McCain, at least on health care.
Screeeeeeeeeeeeeew YOU!
Obama wants to help parents send their kids to college.
Why?
I worked MY ASS OFF to send my kids to college. I didn’t whine or CRY for a Federal gubermint HANDOUT.
My WIFE and I worked three, sometimes FOUR jobs to get them all through college – WITHOUT A HANDOUT!!!
SCREW YOU!!!!
I don’t OWE your freaking kids a COLLEGE DEGREE.
YOU. GET IT.
YouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Owe them a college degreee.
End of post.
Strong message to follow.
Senator Government…
Mine got scholarships and it wasn’t a big burden on any of us because they excelled during high school.
McCain is dragging up all the false and phony arguments he can squeeze in.
Good. Obama can clear all the falsehoods up.
Yes yes, yes, A.W. Poor parents may NOT see their kids off to college. Gosh why fund any school at all? Why should A.W. help send a kid to kindergarden? Close all the government schools.
I have no kids at all. WHY should I pay any taxes to teach your brats to read and write.
Why? Because a highly educated nation is a successful nation.
Education is the basis for all of civilization.
A.W. please refund to me the money I spent on your kid’s public education.
40% of registered voters don’t see either candidate’s health-care plan as better for them. An additional 37% favor Obama’s plan, while 27% choose McCain’s proposals.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/oct2008/db20081013_312433.htm
Troops to Teachers?
Without certification?
Yeah. I want “Nathaniel” in the classroom with no training.
AmWay,
I hope your children appreciate the sacrifices of you and your wife to ensure they have a higher education. Wouldn’t it have been nice if you and your wife wouldn’t have had to have made those sacrifices by making that higher education more affordable for all? Isn’t that what’s it about? To make it easier on the student AND the parents?
MH,
I just said the same thing to my youngest about a friend of hers who served in Iraq through the National Guard. Her answer was a snort. I’ve seen his spelling. Not sure I’d want him teaching anyone, because he’s lacking in his own education.
How many young people have NOT finished their basic education or received a diploma, but instead have joined the armed forces? This is not a denegration of those who have servedm, but neither should it be a pass to a being a teacher.
Education enriches society. It is not a cost. It is an investment in our future.
Penny wise, dollar fooish.
Well as a life long democrat I just finished watching probably the most exciting, if just because of the challenges our nation is facing, presidential debate I have ever seen.
There are many many problems facing our nation.
I fear the problems are some of the worst we have ever faced. The future direction of our nation is at stake.
Although I see Obama as young, fresh, and full of new ideas, I must say, he scares me with his far left and extreme beliefs. Even amongst us he is the extreme.
But just on the debates?
The first I personally saw as a win for Mccain. The second was stale and a draw – both sides reeked of negatives, no substance.
But this final debate was clearly Mccains.
Regretfully, he has the same or more experience than we brag about our vice presidential candidate (who will never serve). Mccain has proven strong under fire and in difficult situations. He has proven he has been able to cross the aisle when what he believes in is more important than his “party”. Some of us argue about the definition of maverick, which is quite silly of us.
Unfortunately, or fortunately – it remains to be seen, but Mccain was stronger tonight. More importantly his thoughts and answers made sense.
I wish I could vote “way out there” and support Obama, but I am comfortable in my life , and there is too much at risk it all and our nation to vote Obama.
Mccain won.
I am finishing my degree now, many many years after high school.
My parents couldn’t afford to send me to college, I couldn’t afford to go until recently. My credit wasn’t good enough to get the necessary loans to go until recently.
By the time I graduate, 6 years after starting, I will have incurred almost 40k in debt. When my dad went to school, it cost him at the most 20k for a PhD.
The rest of the world is so much farther ahead of us when it comes to quality of education at all grade levels. Its time this country take education seriously and yes, i do think every person in this country should get an Associates Degree at a community or state college.
How interesting. I just got a poll call (on my cell, again) about Peterson v. Perez. Very nice lady asking the questions.
“Wouldn’t it have been nice if you and your wife wouldn’t have had to have made those sacrifices by making that higher education more affordable for all? Isn’t that what’s it about?”
No Predestined, as a matter of fact that is NOT what it is all about. Those sacrifices made our children and ourselves stronger and better people.
Life is NOT all about WHAT CAN I GET FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR ME.
and further, “WHAT CAN I GET FROM MY GOVERNMENT WHICH IS ALREADY TEN TRILLION (count them) DOLLARS IND DEBT?”
Life is not about TAKING. It IS about giving. We are proud of taking care of our family and helping all of our children become productive and independent citizens.
Apparently for you Predestined, F-ck President Kennedy and what HE believed in:
“Ask NOT what your country can do for YOU,
but what YOU can do for your country.”
For you it is: How much MORE can we get outta the government?
The rest of the world is so much farther ahead of us when it comes to quality of education at all grade levels.
But we THROW MORE MONEY AT EDUCATION THAN ANY OF THEM.
Throwing more MONEY is NOT the answer. Further, Obama (a car salesman pushing for votes) is giving away 4,000 a year on your loan. It does NOT pay it off for you.
You worked hard to earn it. You will appreciate it. You will earn more, and give back to society.
But damn it you KNOW: Not everyone is college material. America is B.R.O.K.E. we should NOT be paying for people to party x four years.
Fox’s independent voter panel says they now lean toward Obama. CNN & MSNBC’s too
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 15, 2008 at 9:27 pm | Permalink
Troops to Teachers?
Without certification?
Something as a Veteran, I would normally agree with. But I don’t. Give a Vet a chance to teach. Absolutely! But he must demonstrate competence. And isn’t that what both candidates indicate is an important achievement?
Make a Vet pass the tests. Then help him/her be a teacher. God knows we need a few more conservative or republican teachers.
So many capital letters. So hard to read.
Please check you statistics on education spending. You know, in the UK, the government will pay for an entire medical degree, but you do work for National Health for awhile in exchange.
But at least you don’t start your medical career with quarter or a half a million dollars of debt to worry about. You can just be a good doctor.
SORRY that your kids just partied for four years. What a disappointment that must be for you. A shame about your broken ass, too.
Ahh, Life is about giving.. BUT NOT TO THOSE DAMN KIDS WANTING TO GO TO COLLEGE!!!! whahahahahahahahahahahah
“For you it is: How much MORE can we get outta the government?”
American_Way,
It seems they will never comprehend that anything the government ‘gives’ actually comes from the work of someone else. The seem incapable of understanding that the government produces nothing it only spends and redistributes, which is stealing.
registered voters don’t see either candidate’s health-care plan as better
Let’s keep this discussion on healthcare in proportion.
There are 301,000,000 Americans. Only 40 million do not have healthcare insurance.
That is 13% of us have no regular insurance.
Of the 40 million, 20 million are estimated to be foreign born, or illegal immigrants.
That leaves only 6.6% of us, or 20 million without healthcare insurance.
Of the 20 million, there are those who have jobs where their employers OFFER healthcare, but the employee refuses or decides NOT to take advantage of it. (Call them poor or stupid)
It is estimated that 7 million Americans are unwilling or unable to pay for insurance that IS available.
That leaves only 13 million Americans without healthcare insurance.
That is only 4.3% of us without insurance.
But ALL Americans cannot be denied healthcare, even if they don’t have insurance. That’s a side bar.
THe point is: Healthcare really is not a big issue.
ONLY, I repeat ONLY if we WANT ANOTHER GOVERNMENT SUBSIDY OR HANDOUT is it an issue.
Expensive? Yes.
But how much is your life, or your family members life worth?
You should pay MORE for health insurance THAN ANY OTHER BILL. Afterall, life is precious.
“My credit wasn’t good enough”
Welcome to the world my friend.
Many, many Americans will be repeating this phrase.
NO MATTER WHO becomes president.
The time of free credit, easy money, easy loans is over! Ha-Ha!
You will HAVE to e.a.r.n. a credit rating which is WORTHY of getting credit in the future.
Be it a credit card, home loan, car loan, or home equity line of credit.
You gotta be r.e.s.p.o.n.i.s.i.b.l.e..
Or you will NOT get a loan.
Free lunch from BANK: OVER ROVER.
Free lunch from government: TBD
Obama clearly said, you keep and improve the things that work and you cast aside the things that don’t work. For instance, have you seen the statistics on the failure of the federal money thrown at “Abstinence education?”
Have you seen the statistics on the success of HeadStart? Have you read about the benefits of early childhood health screening?
Scalpel, not a hatchet.
“Scalpel, not a hatchet.”
Would not a “scalpel” require a line item veto?
This was clearly a Mccain win. Substance over political speak.
Obama is such a god, the One, to so many socialists, that their minds are sealed. They can no longer see the truth.
But Obama looked like a brand new baby in diaper trying to compete against a wise old many with 30 years government experience.
In a time of great national turmoil.
Mccain is really the safer bet.
No home runs tonight. Again what I consider a draw. But I said that last debate and it clearly went to Obama, this one may as well.
I think Mccian’s tactic was to try and frustrate Obama, Mccain would make false or misleading statements, Obama would patiently explain why they were false or misleading, Mccain would just reassert the false or misleading statement. The other thought would be mccain didn’t understand his assertions had been addressed and answered. Complete failure of mccain to acknowledge the responses.
I probably would’ve said “can’t you get it through your thick head, I just answered that?”
What’s mccain going to do now with the centerpiece of his campaign since Ayers and Acorn have been asked and answered.
My money is on he’s going to do like he did in the debate and ignore it!
With a dem congress solid majority, and a dem pres. he can get his scalpel.
Obama’s scalpel, that’s funny as heck!
Name one expense he’s opposed!
Oh that’s right, Obama opposed funding for our troops in Combat.
Yup,
McCain kicked Obama’s a*s.
Now if only those phony Acorn votes can be thrown out….
Today it was reported that the U.S. has fallen to 29th place in infant mortality. Largely due to uninsured and not enough pre-birth care. This is one of the more important measures of a country’s success, we were in 20th place in 2000, have fallen to 29th under bush and repubs.
Hello from Wichita- I’m in town for a conference. I’ve been too busy or I’d had met up with some of you. :(
The debate was generic, with all of the same stuff we’ve heard before. Lots of things I totally disagree with Obama on, and far worse from McSame.
Love how McSame played the socialism cards- I thought you all were against that? Obama’s plan isnt any better. He needs to employ Hillary’s plan- he’s stupid not to.
While the dead-enders flog a McCain win, the viewership of the third debate chooses otherwise–overwhelmingly.
“The first snap polls on the debate are out, and they’re giving a resounding win to Barack Obama.
In the CBS poll of undecided debate-watchers, 53% say Obama won, only 22% say McCain won, and 24% say it was a tie.
The CNN poll was just read on the air, surveying all debate-watchers in general. It shows 58% saying Obama won, to 31% saying McCain won. Barack Obama’s personal ratings are 66% favorable to 33% unfavorable, way ahead of McCain’s score of 49%-49%.”
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/snap_polls_give_overwhelming_w.php
If y’all want to exercise your free speech rights, be CF2K’s guest. But the rest of us know what we saw: a desperate, overmatched, apoplectic serial-smearing John McCain writing his own political obituary.
Cons are just delusional.
So McCain was wrong that 47 million people don’t have insurance. You can just redefine who is people and – poof – the number drops to 13 million.
Well, screw those 13 million Americans and the other 34 million have just ceased to exist. So simple so clean. So efficient.
It’s like saying “We do not torture (because we redefine torture to mean things we don’t do).
Most other industrialized nations have healthier people than America.
Blame Americans, not the huge system that does not work for all, but works very well for insurance companies that absorb 30 of each 100 health care dollar.
Pay as you go, need to bring it back, like Obama wants.
Mccain would freeze everything and then just unfreeze what his party has always favored, military spending, but keep social programs frozen probably until he got out of office.
Maybe not, he does seem to be even more of a liberal than Obama with wanting to go out and renegotiate home mortgage prices.
As the blog monitor, I try to be fair and understanding on all sides to the issues, and watch your posts.
Tonight, die-hard cons and libs will post their candidate as a WINNNER.
Those with open minds will be somewhere in between.
However, there is a very important consideration that all posters should consider:
Is it best for us to have a ONE PARTY SYSTEM?
Particularly when our nation is in such dire conditions.
Democrats will likely take both the senate and the house of reps.
Maybe it would be best to have some control over an over ambitious swing one way.
If all else is equal, consider this before voting for a government like the old Soviet Union had.
Only the communist party was allowed. All others were silenced. Nearly forever.
Those who want BIG GOVERNMENT, beware!
You must hear the story of how Government FORCED BIG BANKS, even profitable ones, to take Government money and to give Government ownership in the form of preferred stock.
Big Government is taking over private business. Get it?
Long post to follow….
At Moment of Truth, U.S. Forced Big Bankers to Blink
By DAMIAN PALETTA, JON HILSENRATH and DEBORAH SOLOMON
OCTOBER 15, 2008
WASHINGTON — On one side of the table sat Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, flanked by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair.
On the other side sat the nation’s top bank executives, who had flown in from around the country, lined up in alphabetical order by bank, with Bank of America Corp. at one end of the table and Wells Fargo & Co. at another.
It was Monday afternoon at 3 p.m. at the Treasury headquarters. Messrs. Paulson and Bernanke had called one of the most important gatherings of bankers in American history. For an hour, the nine executives drank coffee and water and listened to the two men paint a dire portrait of the U.S. economy and the unfolding financial crisis. As the meeting neared a close, each banker was handed a term sheet detailing how the government would take stakes valued at a combined $125 billion in their banks, and impose new restrictions on executive pay and dividend policies.
The participants, among the nation’s best deal makers, were in a peculiar position. They weren’t allowed to negotiate. Mr. Paulson requested that each of them sign. It was for their own good and the good of the country, he said, according to a person in the room.
During the discussion, the most animated response came from Wells Fargo Chairman Richard Kovacevich, say people present. Why was this necessary? he asked. Why did the government need to buy stakes in these banks?
Morgan Stanley Chief Executive John Mack, whose company was among the most vulnerable in the group to the swirling financial crisis, quickly signed.
Bank of America’s Kenneth Lewis acknowledged the obvious, that everyone at the table would participate. “Any one of us who doesn’t have a healthy fear of the unknown isn’t paying attention,” he said.
This account is based on interviews with participants, government officials and banking-industry executives.
Regulators had spent the weekend crashing out their latest strategy to restore confidence to America’s battered banking system. As markets tumbled last week and foreign governments began taking dramatic steps, U.S. officials coalesced around a plan that would include guaranteeing bank debt and a big capital injection. Policy makers wanted to deliver a “confidence shock,” one participant said.
Treasury and government officials held multiple meetings and conference calls on Saturday. Dozens of officials gathered at Treasury’s headquarters Sunday morning and stayed into the evening, lunching on sandwiches from Potbelly Sandwich Works.
They kept coming back to the same question: Is the plan too sweeping? Policy makers knew they were taking unprecedented steps. It would take years to disentangle banks from the federal government. Some of these temporary steps would be hard to undo.
Policy makers debated how the government’s capital injections should be structured, especially the question of the dividend banks would pay. Make it too high, and that risked draining firms of needed funds and scaring off other potential rescue recipients. Make it too low, and taxpayers wouldn’t be compensated for their risk. Another challenge: Inject capital without scaring away private investors.
A final deal between regulators was hashed out in Mr. Paulson’s office Sunday afternoon. For Mr. Paulson, who had spent a career as an investment banker, the decision marked a reversal. Just weeks earlier, he had said that injecting capital directly into banks would appear to be a sign of “failure.”
The top bankers were then told to show up for a meeting Monday at 3 p.m., but were given few details. Expecting an uproar over the plan, government officials secretly planned to break off the first meeting, giving CEOs time to vent, talk to their boards, clear their heads, and reconvene at 6:30 p.m.
In Mr. Paulson’s call with Morgan Stanley’s Mr. Mack, people familiar with the matter say, the CEO asked the Treasury secretary the reason for the meeting. Mr. Paulson responded: “Come on down, we’ll tell everyone at the same time,” adding, “I think you’ll be pleased.”
Also at the 3 p.m. gathering was New York Fed President Timothy Geithner, along with Fed Governor Kevin Warsh and Comptroller of the Currency John Dugan. Behind them were lawyers and staff. The meeting took place in the Treasury secretary’s conference room, which faces a courtyard and is outfitted with mahogany chairs, antique wall sconces and chandeliers.
It struck some of those in the room as fortunate that Citigroup Inc. and Wells Fargo are so far apart in the alphabet. The two firms just last week were locked in a bitter battle over control of banking giant Wachovia Corp., a fight Wells Fargo eventually won. Citigroup is still seeking billions of dollars from Wells Fargo in damages for swooping in on the Citigroup deal after regulators had already blessed it. With the firms sitting alphabetically, at least the heads of the two rivals, Mr. Kovacevich and Citigroup Chief Executive Vikram Pandit, wouldn’t have to sit next to each other.
Mr. Paulson said the public had lost confidence in the banking system. “The system needs more money, and all of you will be better off if there’s more capital in the system,” Mr. Paulson told the bankers.
After Mr. Kovacevich voiced his concerns, Mr. Paulson described the deal starkly. He told the Wells Fargo chairman he could accept the government’s money or risk going without the infusion. If the company found it needed capital later and Mr. Kovacevich couldn’t raise money privately, Mr. Paulson promised the government wouldn’t be so generous the second time around.
Mr. Bernanke said the situation was the worst the country had endured since the Great Depression. He said action was for the collective good, an understated appeal. The room was silent as he described the economy’s fragile condition.
Mr. Geithner, whose job as New York Fed chief makes him the central bank’s main man on Wall Street, delivered the most sobering news. He described how much preferred stock the government was going to buy from each firm. The government would take $25 billion in Citigroup, $10 billion in Goldman Sachs Group Inc., and so on.
The CEOs shot off questions, peppering officials for details about how the share purchases would be structured and how it might constrain them. At one tense moment, Mr. Bernanke jumped in to calm nerves. The meeting didn’t need to be confrontational, he said, describing paralysis in the market and the threat that posed to everyone in the room.
U.S. officials argued the plan represented a good deal for the banks: The government would be buying preferred shares, and thus wouldn’t dilute their common shareholders. And the banks would pay a relatively modest 5% in annual dividend payments.
The meeting ended at about 4 p.m. By 6:30 p.m., all of the sheets had been turned in and signed by the CEOs. No second meeting was held.
Doesn’t this smack of totalitarianism?
Isn’t this the kind of story that you would expect to hear from a history of Joseph Stalin?
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/paulson-forced-bankers-to-accept-us-buy-in
Yes, big win for McCain. All of the TV focus groups moved closer to .. ooops! OBAMA! Even Fox’s.
Sleep well.
MaxGrobnik,
Thank you for all of your posts, which hurt McCain, and help Obama.
blogmonitor,
Ah, the “divided government” argument–always the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Well, blogmonitor, since you asked, seems to me that the changes this country needs can only come about, as they did for FDR, with a Congress and Presidency controlled by one party. Divided government got us where we are today: united government, if only for a limited time, will get us out of it.
Oh, and blogmonitor? Where was your opposition to a one-party state back in 2004? Turns out that got us closer to Stalinism than anything before or since.
Gestapo tactics used by the Feds, in a deal the Dem Congress approved, as begged for by Bush, is giving billions to profitable banks, to gain Government ownership of the banks.
This deal was NOT made to save these banks.
Look up their P/L’s.
These are profitable banks.
Yet the Government is using the “Financial Crisis” as a guise to TAKE OVER!
Is your business next? Is your employer next?
Socialists Selebrate!
Obama had a weak start, but McCain at times seemed not even to follow what the question was, and went rambling off in left field, almost Palin style. It was unnerving.
In my view, in the end, it was Obama’s night, hands down. It’s the detail thing, ya know? Yeah, he avoided getting specific on where he would cut the budget, other than giving his pre-established talking point. But McCain promised to balance the budget in his first term! Anyone really believe that? I have some AIG stock I’d like to sell you. . .
He particularly tore McCain a new one when they were discussing competing healthcare plans.
The upshot, as Obama communicated pretty well: we’re in this mess together, and some of us realize that (and would have realized it no matter who was running). Others are focused more on exclusively on their wallets, and how much they suspect and resent everyone else. It’s the kind of attitude that would deny a lifesaving vaccine to an indigent for a deadly infectious disease.
Off with that nose! Take that, face!
Come on libs! Be honest. I know some of you spent a long time dwelling on the IS GOD DEAD thread today,but lets be honest for a moment.
You believe. National polls all reflect even libs believe in God (in a very high percentage).
Now do you want a truly godless government, or do you think we do need some admission to the fact that government is not the salvation – but god is.
Obama’s only adult experience with god is through the preaching of Reverend WRight.
Reverend Wright was less than kind to our nation, white Americans, and even ventured into calling for the African nation to arise (don’t ask me, read his sermons).
Is this really the man, with no experience other than hussling for social action groups, a few years lawyering for socialist groups, a little time in the small Illinios legislature, and only two full years in national politic’s?
Sit back, take deep breath, and look at Obama.
He was the traditional “deer in the headlights” tonight.
MCCAIN won this thing hands down.
Or do you want Wright in the White House?
cosmos_originally
Posted October 15, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink
MaxGrobnik,
Thank you for all of your posts, which hurt McCain, and help Obama.
=============================
Oh Obama – Is the Biggest Socialist of All!
This Government takeover of the banks is EXACTLY the START Obama wants!
Look at that: Barack Obama even won according to the focus group of undecideds at FOX NEWS.
“Update [2008-10-15 22:57:46 by Jonathan Singer]: Obama won the Fox News — Fox News — focus group of undecided voters. Said Frank Luntz: “None had made a decision to support Sen. Obama before the debate, but more than half supported after the debate. It was a good night for Barack Obama.” Marc Ambinder writes that the CBS live focus group “seems to think McCain did well”, however.
http://mydd.com/
Keep spinning and trying to stoke the fear, Wingnuts. As cosmos_originally says, they just drive Barack Obama’s numbers still higher.
Phantom
Posted October 15, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink
Today it was reported that the U.S. has fallen to 29th place in infant mortality.
============================================
If you subtract out abortions, the US is still #1.
Where was your opposition to a one-party state back in 2004? Turns out that got us closer to Stalinism than anything before or since.
I rest my case. A single party government is NEVER best for American interests. Maybe party interests?
But never our interests.
HDChaplainCorps,
Hate to break it to you, but your racist appeal to presumed white fear of scary black men isn’t exactly, well, persuasive. And to be frank, HDChaplainCorps, I find your racism a lot scarier and more objectionable than anything Jeremiah Wright ever said.
Oh, and calling Barack Obama a “hustler” isn’t exactly going to get us to be sympathetic to your views. I know you think all white folks share in your racist attitudes–but we don’t.
Mccain was calm cool and collected. Obama, the youngster was rattled and unsure. He was caught in the headlights.
Notice his tap dancing anyone?
Wh-wha-what you gonna cut Senator Obama now that the experts have said YOUR plan (both plans) will put us 200 billion more in debt?
Excuse me? Pardon me?
Did anyone HEAR an answer?
NOT! There wasn’t one.
Goodnight my blog friends. Someone will report to me and we are always watching anyway.
When we get one party power: We will have total control to watch your every move.
Sleep tight.
No, this was for births. NO. 29.
Heil Blogmonitor!
The Leftist Socialist Libs want just ONE party.
THE ONE Party!
Learn their salute. Put your hands above your head and form a large as*hole with your hand. Sorta like blowin an invisible horn between both hands.
THAT is the Obama salute.
Since when do you care Phantom?
Notice his tap dancing anyone?
Didn’t see that. I didn’t see any watermelon either.
You Libs say the population of the planet is too large!
Humans are causing Global Warming.
Earth cannot sustain us all.
Don’t you libs want more babies to die?
I did see posters Max the other night expressing similiar concern. More so on the republican blogs, but there is concern even on the left that things have gone too far.
blogmonitor,
I ask my question, again: if you so object to the one party state, did you vote Democratic in 2004, or did you not? Because if you voted Republican, that would make, um, a hypocrite.
As for the claim that “a one-party government is NEVER best for American interests,” well, blogmonitor, you and I are just going to have to disagree as to what constitutes “American interests”: because it’s obvious to me that the New Deal was the best thing American government EVER did for its citizenry, and it was only possible precisely because the Republican Party had proven itself so utterly unfit to govern–kind of like right now, in fact.
It’s going to take a one party system to effectively deal with and in many cases undo what the repubs have wrought. Now is not the time to have the obstructionist party tying up congress and getting nothing accomplished.
Pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstttttt……………………………..
(Kansas is voting for McCain.)
You Leftists here are a very small minority. Sorta like a microbe in the anal tract of an Elephant.
Keep sniffin though. It’s a good place for y’all.
NOTICE TO ALL BLOGGERS.
Below are typically the dying screams of a defeated leftist. After all else fails, they pull the race card (where none existed) in order to get people to feel sorry for them and their lost position. Use guilt to get the white vote. Make us feel guilty for expressing our right to disent – even if it is against a minority or woman.
Watch carefully how the race claims evolve. There really is an art to it. But like the climate that the race card originated: People are warming to the truth and can see beyond it.
I know you think all white folks share in your racist attitudes–but we don’t.
I didn’t see any watermelon either.
CF
Pucker Up
Hold Both Hands Up and Form an “O”
Now Blow Obama’s Horn
And ALL SIX electoral college votes from Kansas will go in the McCain column. States with many many more will go in the Obama column.
If you vote against Obama you must be a racist.
Or maybe, you don’t like to blow his horn.
Dear Nazi,
Got African-American penises on your mind, evidently. Why might that be?
. States with many many more will
may. MAY go to Obama. Not will.
State(s) law governs how the electorals vote.
Sorry to burst your bubbles (NOT).
Poll gives Obama debate win against McCain
Published: Oct. 15, 2008 at 11:19 PMOrder reprints | Print Story | Email to a Friend | Post a Comment HAMPSTEAD, N.Y., Oct. 15 (UPI) — Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama won the final presidential debate he had Wednesday night against Republican John McCain, a poll indicates.
A CNN poll found Obama bested McCain 58 percent to 31 percent.
The poll — which mirrored the U.S. electorate with a sample of 40 percent Democrats, 30 percent Republicans and 30 percent of other voters — also found Obama’s favorable ratings among the sample increased while McCain’s favorable rating decreased.
Obama’s win at Hofstra University marked the third debate the Illinois senator won against McCain, polls indicate.
In an appearance on CNN, Sen. Hillary Clinton said Obama has shown steady leadership though the nation’s economic crisis.
“He’s been cool, calm and collected,” said Clinton, D-N.Y. “Again, tonight you saw the command he has.”
The CNN poll sample size was not reported. The poll’s margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.
© 2008 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Hint to all y’all Obama fans,
Go to Missouri and visit Acorn in KCMO.
They’ll help ya register to vote there 20 or 30 times.
Then you can vote 20 or 30 times in Missouri for Obama.
Missouri will be a close race. So your multiple votes might actually make a difference there.
blogmonitor,
I call ‘em as I see ‘em as you say ‘em. If the hood fits, y’all shouldn’t be ashamed to wear it.
Kansas will go for mccain, didn’t you hear mccain tonight again gloating about killing the tanker deal.
Of course Ks. will vote for him.
No, you don’t have to be black to have Acorn help you.
Just tell them you are from Kansas and want to vote for Obama in Missouri, even though you are white.
They may be surprised a whitey will want a black man, but they will gladly register you to vote there many times.
it’s obvious to me that the New Deal was the best thing American government EVER did for its citizenry, and it was only possible precisely because the Republican Party had proven itself so utterly unfit to govern–kind of like right now, in fact.
Ya know, CF2K, it’s pretty damn ironic. For some 30 years, I’ve been hearing and reading from conservatives just how awful and terrible the New Deal was, even though the American people re-elected its architect a record three times, and the opposition party didn’t do well in a single election until after his death.
“It’s socialism, I tell you, SOCIALISMMMMMM!” One letter writer made a Moses analogy to other political ideas: “Sit on your ass, and light up a camel; this is the promised land!”
Funny thing, but it seems every time these clowns get most of what they want, they make something similar akin to the New Deal inevitable. If the military-financial complex had been just a little less greedy, maybe the whole house of cards wouldn’t have collapsed.
“SOCIALLLLLISSSSMMMMMMM!!!!!
Actually, each headline about fraudulent voter REGISTRATIONS is proof that those were caught, not added to the voter rolls. I celebrate these successes! Let’s end all fraudulent registration and ensure each person eligible to vote is registered and does have one vote!
Dear Nazi,
Unless there’s 20 or 30 of me who actually exist and have the name and address that has been falsely registered, then there’s no false votes–and no voter fraud.
Really, Nazi, those lies are best peddled elsewhere.
CF,
Obama’s your man, not mine.
You can do whatever you want to him. Didn’t know you were gay till now though.
Let’s see,
No ID needed to register to vote.
No ID needed to vote.
No ID needed to get an absentee ballot.
Oh no, of course no voter fraud could occur.
(self-appointed) blogmonitor,
“Mccain was calm cool and collected. ”
Oh. You mean like at this moment, right here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEZmIGtBs80
Real “presidential,” that double-take.
And Acorn will help you Register and Vote! Absentee too!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
$800,000 Obama dollars went to Acorn!
(About 2 cents per vote. Pretty cheap!)
When you find that proof of voter fraud, I’ll listen. Until then, you sound quite hysterical.
You Kansas people on the western border, go to Colorado and see Acorn in Denver.
CO/MO, both need your Acorn votes now!
(KS doesn’t count, it’s goin to McCain anyway!)
And while Max froths about Mickey Mouse flying in from Florida to vote in Ohio, real people may not have their ballots counted in the state.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/us/16vote.html?ref=us
make it proof of voter fraud in the 2008 election.
Yup Linda. I’m SURE they caught all the fraudulent voters.
They catch almost half the MURDERERS you know!
So of course, they catch all the fraudulent voters, cause that’s where all the cops spend their time, ya know, lookin for the violent criminal voters.
I’m sure glad they found those in the headlines at the REGISTRATION end, before they were even added to any voter rolls! I’ll celebrate that while they continue to be vigilant!
Yup Linda. I’m SURE they caught all the fraudulent voters.
All? Can you show us one?
It’s all over except the crying and whining. Unless of course, Palin dumps mccain after tonight.
Early voting has started in many states.
It’s TOO LATE to catch fraudulent REGISTRANTS, thousands have already voted!
How dum y’all be?
Vote early. Vote often. Vote in as many swing states as possible!
The blind still have faith in their Government, if not in God.
Government never screws up.
Keep screaming, Max. You’re turning into a great Obama ambassador!
Nice try, Max. ACORN has existed for a long time, and 2004 was, well, four years ago.
Name one documented case of voter fraud.
Dear Nazi,
“MaxGrobnik
Posted October 15, 2008 at 10:38 pm | Permalink
CF
Pucker Up
Hold Both Hands Up and Form an “O”
Now Blow Obama’s Horn”
Your words. Unprompted.
You may want to take a time-out; frustration seems to have caused you to spill what was occupying your mind.
Martin Short on Letterman –
“Obama looked calm and presidential. McCain looked awake.”
And, concerned about McCoot’s age.
“I think the only time McCain doesn’t need to pee is when he’s peeing.”
Dear Nazi,
“MaxGrobnik
Posted October 15, 2008 at 10:56 pm | Permalink
The blind still have faith in their Government, if not in God.
Government never screws up.”
Yeah. And that’s why you’re cool with giving it the power to spy on Americans and torture whomever it pleases.
Yeah. And that’s why you’re cool with giving it the power to spy on Americans and torture whomever it pleases.
. . .and handing unchecked power to the Executive branch, effectively turning an elected position into a monarchy.
There’s a response poll on the Eagle frontpage as to who won tonight’s debate. Register your response. Here’s how it looks as of now:
“Who won Wednesday’s presidential debate?
McCain
Obama
It was a draw
McCain
41% (78 votes)
Obama
53% (100 votes)
It was a draw
6% (11 votes)
Total Votes: 189″
And that’s in a state that, in all likelihood, McCain will take on November 4. If that’s all the love he can get, well, ouch.
Thanks for pointing it out, CF! Of course, all the OLD coots are in bed and will vote in the morning, but it does look good to see it right now. ;-) I don’t think it will be quite the runaway Republican win in Kansas this year. I know the youth are fired up for Obama and the ones I know will go vote.
Boxlock
Posted October 15, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink
“For you it is: How much MORE can we get outta the government?”
American_Way,
It seems they will never comprehend that anything the government ‘gives’ actually comes from the work of someone else. The seem incapable of understanding that the government produces nothing it only spends and redistributes, which is stealing.
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If we can spend billions in Iraq to rebuild their country, give them new schools and healthcare – why can’t we do it for our own citizens?
That is all Obama is trying to say. Would you rather see our tax dollars going to people that don’t like us very much? (as is evident by Iraqi’s prime minister al Maliki cozying up to the Iran President).
Good night, sleep tight and pleasant dreams to you
Here’s a wish and prayer that every dream comes true
And though it’s always sweet sorrow to part
I know you’ll always remain in my heart
Good night, sleep tight and pleasant dreams to you
Here’s a wish and a prayer that every dream comes true
And now ’til we meet again
Adios, au revior, auf weidersehen…..Good Night!
wiedersehen = weidersehen
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 15, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink
Early voting has started in many states.
It’s TOO LATE to catch fraudulent REGISTRANTS, thousands have already voted!
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Sounds like a state’s problem to me. If you don’t like the way the states are doing it, then change their laws. Or do you only approve of voter fraud when it benefits the Republicans?
Let’s take a step back and look how the candidates are running their campaigns.
And let’s imagine the incompetence that resulted in this photo op –
http://tinyurl.com/5yby2y
Words escape me.
Remember back in 2000 when CONs got their panties in a wad over Al Gore’s exasperation with George WMD Bush?
Watch this –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dic4oh5M11s
More tics than a trailer park dog.
If elected, will John McCain be exhibiting the same sighing, eye-rolling, and smirking with foreign leaders as he did tonight?
I’m listening to the debate for the first time (fully). I was interrupted by a phone call the first time through. I just heard Obama say something important, something that could improve every interaction between people. It would especially improve this blog! Obama said, — “And what is important is making sure that we disagree without being disagreeable. And it means that we can have tough, vigorous debates around issues. What we can’t do, I think, is try to characterize each other as bad people.”
If only we could all act on that advice!
Did anyone notice that both candidates are left-handed?
Really!?
What are the odds of that?
What’s with all McCain’s sneering? I see the blinking and tics, but that sneer is ugly and evil.
The next president of the United States will be from the same, left-leaning 10 percent to 15 percent of the population.
The country has not been faced with such predetermination of presidential handedness since the three-way race of 1992, when George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and H. Ross Perot all favored the same side used by Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci to create great art.
Other than the first Mr. Bush and Mr. Clinton, the left-handed presidents everyone seems to agree on were James Garfield, Harry Truman and Gerald Ford. Some lists include Herbert Hoover, but he’s omitted from others created by left-handed advocates, perhaps because they want no part of someone on whose watch the Great Depression began.
And then there’s the case of Ronald Reagan. He wrote with his right hand, but discussion has abounded that he was switched from his natural tendencies when he was young by strict schoolteachers. It has been pointed out that he slapped Angie Dickinson with his left hand in the film “The Killers,” which is what a lefty would do. (No one thinking right would ever slap Angie Dickinson at all, actually.)
So just as in politics, Mr. Reagan apparently went from left to right as his life evolved. He shows up on some lists of left-handed presidents but not others, meaning we’ve had between five and seven of them, with much more likelihood of a left-handed White House in recent decades than before.
There’s no indication yet of organized left-handed support for Mr. McCain, but a Lefties for Obama group has a Web site and slogan: “Make Obama Number 8 in ‘08″
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08056/860162-294.stm
“lindainks55″ –
A better actor than Reagan would’ve slapped Angie Dickinson with both hands.
Linda,
Thanks for the stuff on lefties. (Handed, not political. ::grin::) My youngest is left-handed. I’ve heard children born later (I was 38) or when the mother is under duress are often lefties. Frankly, I have no clue. Probably an old wive’s tale.
Anybody still here?
I’m still laughing at this. First, let me say that I love hidden objects games, so this one was a blast!
http://palinaspresident.com/
Be sure to move the mouse around on all the objects. Don’t miss the Bridge to Nowhere on the desk (click it), the empty frames and framed diploma on the walls (click each one), and especially roll up the shades on the windows. Open those windows, too. There’s more, but I’ll let you all find them. :)
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) should have used “Franklin’s” Obama was part of the Charlie Manson family” argument.
The coot got pwned on the Ayers and ACORN attacks.
Reality check:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_3.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/oct/16/debate-about-joe/
One thing I find interesting is that neither Fact Check or Politifact assessed McCain’s claim that the Obama campaign has spent more money on negative ads than any “other campaign in history”. I smell bullsh*t on that specitivity (just as I did when Obama made his 100% negative claim).
“The coot got pwned on the Ayers and ACORN attacks.”
That’s half true (on the Ayers attacks), but Obama badly mishandled the ACORN attack (because it really is a gimme-ACORN was defrauded, and registration fraud does not translate into voter fraud, as actual investigations have repeatedly shown).
Sarah Palin is a “breast of fresh air”?
Priceless.
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Agnatha
Posted October 16, 2008 at 6:54 am | Permalink
“The coot got pwned on the Ayers and ACORN attacks.”
That’s half true (on the Ayers attacks), but Obama badly mishandled the ACORN attack (because it really is a gimme-ACORN was defrauded, and registration fraud does not translate into voter fraud, as actual investigations have repeatedly shown).
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All of this before the jawless fish’s early morning green tea enema.
“Regular” probably meant to post his –
“…early morning green tea enema” post on his “other” blog site:
http://www.bags&browniescouts.com
Why aren’t the dems bringing to the forefront the push by geedubyah/republicons on letting the people invest their social security in the stock market?
Someone after the last debate was all indignant about Obama allegedly making haughty expressions during the last debate. Bet they don’t comment on mccain’s demeanor last night!
Speaking of S.S. read this morning they’ll get a 5.8 % increase this yr.
When the Religious Right came into political power in 1994, their mantra was the word compromise was a four-letter word. These people do not believe in compromise – they will run roughshod over anyone and everyone to get their way. And what really bothers me the most is these people use ‘God’ as their weapon against people who disagreed with them. After all, anyone who is Godless can not be a good person, can they?
As for McCain’s demeanor – what about George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for the last 8 years? Most Republicans don’t think these two did anything wrong either.
Arrogance must be a prerequisite to be a Republican these days.
Irony wasn’t given to Republicans. Doesn’t seem to be something they are able to develop either.
“Arrogance must be a prerequisite to be a Republican these days.”
Along with utter blindness.
I agree fooz. Had the republican plan to privatize Social Security been complete, there wouldnt be any increase in Social Security.
Hell, there wouldnt even BE any SS.
And for the rich folks who dont NEED Social Security, (but still collect it anyway) there wouldnt be any money to draw out of the markets or their investments either.
But ya know, they are so far in denial, they wont even admit those simple truths.
Denial. It’s not just a river in Egypt
I find it amusing how all those ‘publicans were rooting for Obama last spring, because they assumed that a black guy would be easy to beat just because he was black. What his nomination did do was make it a whole bunch easier to spot all the closet racists in the ‘publican party- they’re the rats too dumb to abandon that sinking ship!
A very presidential Senator McCain last night:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Republican-presidential-nominee-shaking-hands-Senator-Barack-Obama-presidential-debate/photo/081016/ids_photos_ts/r1772410910.jpg/;_ylt=AujAY6EXHmMQy5Zsha09SbsDW7oF
I’d vote for a “black” guy Jed!! Just not a socalist with ties to extremist like Ayers, sit in a pew for 20 yrs with a idiot like “Rev” wright!!
JC Watts, on the other hand I’d vote for in a second!!