For someone who is campaigning as a reformer, Sarah Palin is sure sounding like a typical politician. Palin claimed Saturday that a special counsel’s investigation into her efforts to get her former brother-in-law fired cleared her of “any legal wrongdoing, any hint of any kind of unethical activity.” Not true. Though the report concluded that she had the power to reassign Alaska’s public safety commissioner, in part for not firing her former brother-in-law, it determined that she abused her power and violated state ethics laws.
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This thread written by the EAGLE’s opinion editor, Phillip Brownlee, brought to you by a true liberal Democratic reformer. Thanks Phillip.
Your daily dose of PDS.
Coming right up.
Violated the law. So they are charging her?
Brownlee has power and is abusing it.
At least, that would be the next topic I would enter if I could do so on the WE Blog.
Instead of posting about the Democratic Congressman who abused his Congressional office by firing a female staff worker when she no longer satisfied him sexually, BrownLib chooses to be in cahoots with the Obama campaign.
Perhaps BrownLib is just hearing the echos of empty office spaces from Scholfield and Crowson and acting out insanely while it is reverberating cruelly in his ears.
Just more proof that she is a pathological liar. She lied about refusing the earmark money for the “bridge to nowhere”, she lied about firing the librarian, and now this. Just shows her true charcater. Amazing how the cons can’t handle the truth that she is so unqualified for public office and go after the messenger everytime more of her true nature unfolds.
Reg, if you listed every example of inappropriate conduct on the part of politicians, both Democratic and Republican, that’s all you would have time to do.
But it’s different for someone who will be “a heartbeat away”…it’s better to know everything we can about them.
Heck, she didn’t technically violate the law, just acted unethically, so there is nothing to charge her with.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 14, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink
Heck, she didn’t technically violate the law, just acted unethically, so there is nothing to charge her with.
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So this means your okay with tasing a 10 year old and making death threats by a law enforcement officer then.
If the news media wasn’t so afraid of Palin they wouldn’t try to take her down so much. Sarah”s light sure outshines our gov. Kathy.
yeah, cuz we all know that the reporters and staff of the Wichita Eagle NEVER EVER abuse power! Ha! They control the city through their writings and slants on the stories; what they chose to print and not print. I used to work for the Eagle years ago — I know better, Brownlee. Don’t point fingers at Palin when you’re guilty.
From Wiki for all my wingnut friends complaining about the press
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws “respecting an establishment of religion” or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to peaceably assemble, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Question, someone threatens the Sheriff of Sedgwick Counties family member? He finds that they are employeed under his jurisdiction? He has to allow the threat a nd cannot proceed because he happens to be Sheriff and he would abuse his position by functioning as too such? Why am I curious? I am a Candidate for Sheriff in Miami County Kansas. When I win, am I allowed to protect my family or would I have signed away my rights to protect them for the 4 year term as Sheriff? She did not break the Law. She did nothing illegal. She gave just cause for the situation. She gave other circumstances for removal that held valid so she would not be accused or found to be Abusive and out of line. He was dismissed for valid reasons. Those reasons listed are valid and just! She is being looked at because she is a Vice President Candidate. How is abusing influence in that???? Herbert West 3rd, Candidate for Sheriff, Miami County Kansas, Democrat who will be voting for McCain/Palin!!!! http://www.HerbertWest3rd.com http://www.HerbertWest3rd-W-I-Senate-Ks.com http://www.HerbertWest3rd-W-I-Representative-Ks.com west.herb@yahoo.com
Sarah Palin is the biggest joke around! Of course she abused her position & she’ll continue to do so if McCain is elected. Let’s pray that doesn’t happen.
Mary
What you said-
“Heck, she didn’t technically violate the law”
What Brownlee said-
“and violated state ethics laws”
Charge her.
Tyranny of the Press
The media with its “elitist, legalistic, statist, and appeasement-oriented” agenda and insistence on maintaining appearances that match that their personal agendas are similar to the church’s influence in the Medieval Era.
The medieval church age was tyrannized by a demand for spiritual perfectionism, making it hard to accomplish anything practical.
Truth of this era is being concealed under a cloak of self-righteous indignation and partisan sway.
Like the medieval church the main stream media requires perfectionism from their rivals while holding no standards to that ideology which they hold.
This media bias has a chilling effect on culture. Unlike the Medieval Church, however, the main stream media only hold conservatives to this standard, the left has free rein to commit whatever dastardly acts they see fit, including terrorism (It’s no big deal about Ayers, right?)
“Pope Brownlee” is putting on his own inquisition. Accusation without proof, innuendo that suddenly turns into fact by a repetitive tirade of false memes issued by the Waffen Schutzstaffel organizations such as DU and Moveon.org.
Yes, there was freedom of the press back in the day of our founding fathers. There was also citizen justice as well. There were several politicians and newspapermen rode out town on a rail, tarred and feathered.
Perhaps they should bring that type of citizen justic back.
justic = justice
Doggonit, she didn’t abuse her power or do anything unethical, wink wink. Those who think she did, are just people who want to look back at the past and don’t appreciate our troops and what they do for us. You betcha!
Why hasn’t Comrade Brownlee talked once about Dollar Bill Jefferson in LOSER-ana storing $90,000 in a freezer then being escorted by the National Guard two days after Katrina to said freezer to retrieve the cold cash? Typical Marxist rantings of Comrade Brownlee, who is aiming to go to Washington with $ebeliu$ in a Obama (Soetoro) administration.
Break out the cheese! The whiners are out in full force.
What’s so hard to understand about unethical as opposed to illegal? We’ve had a pres. straddling the unethical/illegal fence for years. You should be used to it by now.
A special counsel’s investigation, led by a Democrat opposed to Palin, comes up with a finding of improper action…..OH BIG SURPRISE!!!
They even had to admit she did NOTHING ILLEGAL and was acting within the Constitutional power of the office.
They are not charging her with anything!!!
But the Eagle makes a point of it…well, isn’t that a surprise also.
The Eagle is one of the most biased rags in the country anymore, and every morning I take delight in knowing I no longer contribute with my paper subscription to their crap biased reporting, though I do miss using it to line the bottom of the bird cage.
Interesting that the DimLibs cling to weightless subjects like this because that’s all they have, proving their shallow mindlessness.
Now….just what kind of Trooper was Wooten?
“As a Taser instructor, Wooten had been “well trained in the application and risks associated with use of the weapon on a child.” Nevertheless, as Wooten admitted during the investigation, he had used his Department-issued Taser on his own 10-year-old stepson Payton, an act that Col. Grimes said “demonstrated extremely poor judgment and a conscious choice to violate the department’s standards of conduct.”
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As he eventually admitted (after first denying it), with full knowledge that his wife’s hunting license was not transferable to himself, he illegally shot and killed a moose. “The fact that you are currently assigned as a wildlife crimes investigator,” wrote Col. Grimes (italics hers), “exponentially exacerbates this violation as it is absolutely contrary to your current assignment.” (So Wooten admitted to using a deadly weapon to commit a crime of the exact sort he was supposed to be preventing. I guess it’s a good thing he wasn’t then on assignment to any murder investigations, huh?)
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Independent witnesses confirmed to Col. Grimes that in June or July of 2004, Wooten had pulled his police cruiser into their driveway, helped himself to a beer from the refrigerator in their garage, drank it, and then got and opened another beer before driving away, beer still in hand. This, wrote Col. Grimes, “not only exposed the Department to [criminal and civil] liability, but further demonstrate[d Wooten's] lack of judgment and a profound disrespect for the responsibilities of a law enforcement officer,” putting “the integrity of every other State Trooper” into question.
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Col. Grimes noted that Wooten’s file already contained seven other documented instances of infractions of Department policies, ranging from “negligent damage to a state vehicle” to multiple dangerous violations of traffic laws to habitual tardiness and being absent without leave. “Your unacceptable conduct appears to have continued and even escalated,” she wrote. This amounted to a “serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession.” Moreover, “[i]t is nearly certain,” she wrote (boldface mine), “that a civilian investigated under similar circumstances would have received criminal sanctions.”
According to a news report by Anchorage Daily News reporter Lisa Demer on July 27, 2008, the investigation also confirmed that in February 2005, Wooten had said in a telephone conversation with Sarah Palin’s sister, Molly McCann — with Sarah Palin and her son Track also listening on a speakerphone — that if their father, Chuck Heath, helped Molly get a divorce lawyer, “he would eat a f**king lead bullet. I will shoot him.” Demer’s report goes on to say:
Wooten told troopers he never said anything like that about his father-in-law.
The investigation concluded he did. It wasn’t a crime, because he didn’t threaten Heath directly. But it did violate trooper policy, the investigation found.”
Anyone that would not fire this guy is negligent themselves. Only a union would defend this kind of behavior.
Is this feeding the PDS?
“Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 6-point lead over Republican John McCain one day before the White House rivals meet in their final debate, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Tuesday.”
If she just admitted that she thought the guy was a scumbag, and used the powers of her office to get rid of him, all would have been forgiven
Instead she took the low bush road and lied all the way.
No matter what any poll shows, no matter what any map of the electoral college shows PLEASE REMEMBER –
bush was elected TWICE!
Only three weeks, keep working — IT IS IMPORTANT!
Hey Philip –
How about a thread on Rep. Tim Mahoney (D) of Florida and his $121K “shut up” payment to his former employee..errrr, mistress.
Where’s the same outrage that dogged Mark Foley (eerily from the same congressional district) two years ago?
Philip? Earth to Philip?
We have real people testifying that they were encouraged by ACORN to committ voter fraud. The left doesn’t care about this. They just want to look at Palin who broke no laws. Listen to the ACORN hearings. People were given $1 a card for every card they signed. Cigarettes for every card they signed. Real laws broken. Real criminals. And we are protecting a man who refused to fire a trooper who tased his son and threatened his father-in-law with a lead bullet.
Where is the left outrage? Where is the Hoffman story? We had Foley all day every day. Why not Hoffman?
Not a proud for Phillip or the left on this blog.
This message brought to you by Comrade Browlee for the committee to elect Obama-messiah-fuhrer for President.
Sorry Hoffman should have been Mahoney. Not sure who Hoffman is but I’m sure he did something wrong! And is a lib so we will never know.
OMG, you repukes are too stupid to live, much less run the country.
you really want to go there?
How about a thread on this repuke who was busted for kiddie porn?
Come on editors, give us a thread on this newest republican pedophile.
Source: NY Post
ALBANY – A former assemblyman and current parole-board member was busted last night on child-pornography and soliciting charges, officials said.
Chris Ortloff, 61, was arrested in a Plattsburgh-area motel room in a State Police sting at about 5 p.m.
Ortloff, who allegedly had arranged a date on the Internet with an underage victim he thought would provide sex, had child porn and what was described as “sex paraphernalia” in his possession, according to the officials.
They said Ortloff, a Republican who represented Plattsburgh, would likely face felony sex charges . . . .
He was always the tough-on-crime guy in the Assembly who wanted to increase the criminal penalties for all kinds of sex crimes,” said a former associate.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/news/regionalnews/...
Wanna go tit for tat? Ok. Let’s go…
nitwit
Give a buck a card and cigarettes compared to throwing a lavish party for salesmen that bring in the contracts ( at taxpayer expense) your indignation is misplaced.
Just heard that Mickey Mouse registered to vote in Florida. His card had an ACORN stamp on it.
“Where is the left outrage? Where is the Hoffman story? We had Foley all day every day. Why not Hoffman?”
Where is the outrage about Ortloff?
you all have been whining about the florida guy for days.
no outrage on the kiddie porn king republican from new york?
Hypocrisy, thy name is…
Rep. Tim Mahoney (D) of Florida and his $121K
He’s already called for a self investigation, I’m sure they’ll find some ethics violation, but was it illegal? I think not.
But good thing he won’t be a heart beat away from the presidency.
Hag,
C’mon – you’re equating a former NY assemblyman with a CURRENT US Representative???
Jesus WEPT!
(there, I did it for you)
Hypocrisy, thy name is…
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And just what the hell do you think you are doing, KFG?
Mickey mouse has part time residence in Floriday, the rest of his time he’s in California. What’s the big deal?
Farm grl pedios are people too. Why are you so judgemental this morning?
I also heard that TERRORISTS are registering to vote (not voting, mind you, only registering!), and I’m wondering if this isn’t the best thing since sliced bread? Did they give us their address on that application to vote? WOW! This seems like an easier way to wage that “war on terror”!
And is there anyone who realizes an application to vote is different than voting? Do people also realize that each phony, bogus application to vote that makes the news means the system is working? They were caught! They won’t be allowed to vote!
The right has become accustomed to having their reps. charged with kiddie porn, it doesn’t phase them, but they sure get pissed when a guy compensates his mistress!
Did Mickey register to vote as a dem or repub?
Boxlock
Posted October 14, 2008 at 9:10 am | Permalink
A special counsel’s investigation, led by a Democrat opposed to Palin, comes up with a finding of improper action…..OH BIG SURPRISE
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And there were 10 (a majority) of Republicans on this inquiry. So they are guilty of being disloyal to Palin out of pure political reasons?
Besides, PALIN herself stated her life is an open book for everyone to see. What’s the problem? You don’t want to look inside her book and see exactly what she has or has not done?
As for the trooper making death threats, then why wasn’t he charged with that? Sarah and Todd Palin are no different than any other Alaska citizens. If they have a complaint, call their local police and file a complaint. Instead, Sarah allowed her husband Todd to set up his own vendetta office in the Governor’s office with his own phone to make his harassing phone calls.
Now is this NOT unethical behavior? You betcha!
The scary part is if Palin get in as Vice President, she has already informed us that she plans to have much more power in the Congress than the Constitution allows. Is part of this all encompassing power going to be having her husband Todd set up his vendetta office again in the Vice President’s office?
In Palin’s own words about that bridge – thanks, but no thanks!
An uncharacteristic weak defense by kfg. Comparing an assemblyman with a US Representative. We could just go check the jails for party affiliation.
Still haven’t heard anything in the MSM about Mahoney. He wasn’t a homo though, so apparently no big deal.
I am upset about the social engineering going on in SF. A first grade teacher turned a field trip into a wedding when she and her girl friend were married and it was witnessed by her first grade students. I suppose you are alright with this one Farmie?
How are you on NMBLA? Why so judgie on pedios?
lindainks55
Posted October 14, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink
I also heard that TERRORISTS are registering to vote (not voting, mind you, only registering!), and I’m wondering if this isn’t the best thing since sliced bread? Did they give us their address on that application to vote? WOW! This seems like an easier way to wage that “war on terror”!
And is there anyone who realizes an application to vote is different than voting? Do people also realize that each phony, bogus application to vote that makes the news means the system is working? They were caught! They won’t be allowed to vote!
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How do we know they are terrorists? Did they list this as their occupation?
KSGolfnut
Posted October 14, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink
Hey Philip –
How about a thread on Rep. Tim Mahoney (D) of Florida and his $121K “shut up” payment to his former employee..errrr, mistress.
Where’s the same outrage that dogged Mark Foley (eerily from the same congressional district) two years ago
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As I recall, Mark Foley was not charged with anything either and went into rehab. But it’s okay when it is a Republican – right?
Especially when it is only about sex. Republicans have a hang-up about sex – other people’s, not their own!
Mom Palin is the one who challenged the ‘good ole boy’ network in Alaska. She defeated a setting gov who was a repub. She doesn’t care who is corrupt she goes after them. Naturally she has made enemies. Watch how far this goes if McCain is defeated. It will die a very quiet death never to be heard from again.
Partisan – who betcha.
okobserver,
Good point above. ACORN is documented to have committed felony voter fraud and almost nothing is said about that by the left and this paper. Yet, they go on and on about ‘Trooper Gate’ when no law was broken, no charges filed, and the Trooper in question deserved to be fired.
Hypocrites!
How do you abuse power and at the same time act within it?
That’s an oxy moron if I’ve ever heard one.
SNL must be saving the new stuff for their Thursday show.
What’s SNL going to do when Palin goes back to moose country?
OMG, grmie is defending pedophiles this morning?
And uh, yeah. I think a pedophile, no matter WHAT the office, is waaaaaay more dangerous than somebody boinking an adult.
Yeah outlander. Let’s check the jails and compare.
you repukes just confirm what I always say.
IOKIYAAR
Dont wanna talk about pedophile republicans?
You’d rather talk about mickey mouse?
Just for you anti
Color me surprised….
and yeah nutboy.
Jesus WEPT.
And he’s REALLY glad he’s not a republican
Just for you anti
Color me surprised….
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Thanks Darlin’ ;)
Oh, hehehe. And btw…
How’s all the subject changing, denial, deflection, and defending of the repukes working for ya?
Keep it up. Obama needs the votes.
Even when your smear has proven ineffective, you still keep repeating it.
Zepplin had it wrong. It should have been “the meme remains the same”
I reeeeeaaaaaallly hope you all keep up these current ACORN, terrorist, scary muslim talking points. I mean, since it’s working so well for your guy.
Tina Fey wants to “be done” with Palin after November
As it turns out, Fey would rather not see Palin become a regular character on “SNL.”
“I want to be done playing this lady November 5th,” Fey said when asked backstage about how she feels about the election. “So, if anyone can help me be done playing her on November 5th…”
http://blogs.reuters.com/fanfare/2008/09/22/tina-fey-wants-to-be-done-with-palin-after-november/
…and I’m STILL ROFLMQAO at grmie defending pedophiles….
That’s not just a whif of desperation. That’s a whole lotta stink!
But hey, if it’s the best you have, it’s the best you have….
Dear Republican party-
KFG is right. You may or may not have it correctly about Acorn, Ayers, Wright, Obama, etc, but it just doesn;t matter. All is forgiven. Obama is the ONE.
Besides, your candidate sucks just as badly. Of course, after the mess Bush has made of things, you probably just found some poor schmuck (mcCain) who wanted it so badly that he didn;t realize you were throwing him under the bus in an unwinnable election.
Heh. Seems like this newspaper doesnt agree with the repuke spin.
Palin vindicated?
Governor offers Orwellian spin
Published: October 13th, 2008 10:02 PM
Last Modified: October 13th, 2008 10:17 PM
Sarah Palin’s reaction to the Legislature’s Troopergate report is an embarrassment to Alaskans and the nation.
She claims the report “vindicates” her. She said that the investigation found “no unlawful or unethical activity on my part.”
Her response is either astoundingly ignorant or downright Orwellian.
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: “I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”
In plain English, she did something “unlawful.” She broke the state ethics law.
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Bottom line: Gov. Palin, read the report. It says you violated the ethics law.
more at:
http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236.html
Seems like mcsame forgot something he said about ACORN. He said they are part of what makes America special. Dont believe me. Fine. Here’s the video.
“Sen. John McCain was happy to accept the honors and acclamation of the Service Employees International Union, People for the American Way, UNITE HERE — and ACORN. Here he is, on Feb. 20, 2006, telling immigration rights activists at a rally in Miami that they “are what makes America special.”
ACORN co-sponsored the rally, and its volunteers surround McCain, and while there’s no evidence that McCain ever formally teamed with the group, the video serves as a reminder that he did not mind being associated with them when the politics of the moment were different….
McCain had no trouble fraternizing with ACORN in 2006 when their political interests coincided with his. Now, his campaign is writing e-mails in his name bashing ACORN as a tool of the Obama machine.
Oops. Now watch the video. The good stuff, where McCain sucks up to ACORN as all that is good with America, comes at about 2 minutes in.”
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI
I think it’s funny that mcsame loved ACORN
Until his supporters didnt…
Somebody wrote in Mickey Mouse on a voter registration. O M G And you all think this is some act of fraud? Do you honestly think the person writing that thought it would go through? If so, please engage brain before ranting again. These are obviously done by a person(s) knowing it would be tossed out.
No farmie I’m not defending someone who makes victims of children. They should all be jailed and not released ever. I was throwing your logic back at you. What was your problem with Larry Craig. He was an adult coming on to another adult. You screamed to high heaven on that one. What is your reaction to a public school teacher making her 1st grade students watch her marry another woman? Bet you aren’t hollering about that one.
Don’t call the rebubs hypocrites. Yours is the party of hypocrites.
BTW Linda I am waiting to see how you know terrorists are registering. Did they list this as their occupation?
Someone is still going to have to explain to me how you abuse power and act within it at the same time.
Pred we aren’t talking rocket scientists here. The ACORN staff is recruited off the street. In Nevada most were ex-cons. They registered the entire Dallas Cowboy roster to vote in Vegas.
Please don’t plead absurdity as a defense. Did you read the Stern interview above?
apparently, itis not an impeachable or indictable offense. (according to the same article) . So, either she didn;t violate the law, or it has no teeth. In other words, useless except to beat up on politicians out of favor. Big whup. If it really meant something, it would at least be indictable.
Kia the left isn’t the party of reason. Don’t expect to get that explanation.
FArmie if she broke this law when will she be arrested or impeached or whatever?
This report will fade away as soon as the maximum damage is done. The left must really be running scared to hang onto this one.
…and it appears that the Palin mansion might have been built for free by contrators working on the Wasilla sports complex, the materials may have been supplied free or at a discount by the SAME people who supplied the materials for Ted Steven’s house. You know, the one he is currently on trial for letting an oil company remodel for free?
Palin’s rural advisor resigned under pressure, she’s being skewered in Alaska press today for shutting African-American contractors out of bidding on projects, and…
There is a picture of her in front of a flag that has 49 states, presumably because she and her husband supported a political party that wants Alaska to break away from the United States, and whose leader has no use for America or her “damned instutitions”. The same party whose head refuses to be buried under the American flag when he dies.
heheheheh
One term, governor moose dresser?
One term hell. She’ll be lucky if she isnt indicted, convicted and impeached!!!
But please, let’s talk about the Florida guy again.
When your ass is getting sore from being kicked, wingnuts, you can ALWAYS deflect and deny before you have to defend…
Changing the subject. A tried and true wingnut tactic. This thread is about Palin, remember?
Libs love Palin.
They can’t get anything on the liberal Mclaim, so they attack the VP candidate.
Do you suppose they will convince each other to not for for the McCain/Palin ticket?
to not vote for the McCain/Palin ticket?
“FArmie if she broke this law when will she be arrested or impeached or whatever?”
Which law? She seems to have violated so many.
And who says she will NOT be indicted or brought up on ethics charges for violating, ya know, the STATUTE that was cited in the report?
The report came out on Friday. There’s plenty of time for indictments before her term runs out.
Maybe the fact that there are TEN repukes on this investigative committee, compared to FOUR democrats has something to do with delaying the charges until after the election?
Bush in a skirt. Keep defending her. It’s REALLY working well for you all…
“Changing the subject. A tried and true wingnut tactic.”
Should read ” Change the subject. A tried and true weblog tactic, practiced by all sides.”
My opinion.
“And who says she will NOT be indicted or brought up on ethics charges for violating, ya know, the STATUTE that was cited in the report?”
The paper whose article you linked to.
But hell, Scooter Libby was CONVICTED, not just indicted or charged. And you wingnuts STILL defend him and refuse to acknowledge he did anything wrong.
Even if Bible Spice is indicted and convicted, you wont believe it anyway…
Denial. It’s not just a river in Egypt.
FG you are the one that posted an article about a former GOP’er arrested in a child porn ring.
I don’t see what this has to do with Palin acting within her power.
Unless her power also covers the state of New York?
Jeebus Littlejohn, are you afraid to click on the link?
It’s the Anchorage Daily News. ADN.
But then, you would know that if you werent too afraid to go to the link. What are you afraid of? It might be true?
Do I have to go back and post all the links of John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) and his ties with ACORN?
Complete with pictures, some of them.
I remember once I had a bird house outside my window at work. Some sparrow decided to build a nest in it and I wasted a couple of hours watching the construction process. When the bird brought a stick to the house it held it horizontally in its beak and kept poking and poking and poking and poking trying to get it in the birdhouse. After a while the bird happened to get one end of the stick inside and flew off to get another. And with the next stick, the sparrow would poke and poke and poke and poke and poke the horizontal stick through the entrance of the birdhouse until, entirely by accident, it got one end of the stick inside and flew off to retrieve another stick… and came back to repeat the process over and over again.
That’s what it’s like dealing with WE Blog CONs.
Whether they’re slapped down on all their spurious arguments — on Ayers, on ACORN, on Barack-is-a-Muslim, on he’ll raise your taxes, on how he was a member of the Manson family, and on and on and on…. — the CONs come back with another horizontal stick and poke and poke and poke.
Logical conclusion:
The CONs on WE Blog are bird brains.
Jesus KFG, Iread the link, didin;t you?
“I don’t see what this has to do with Palin acting within her power.
Unless her power also covers the state of New York?”
It has as much to do with Palin as Mark Foley, or the guy who replaced him.
Why dont you ask grmie or nutboy if her “power” also covers the state of Florida?
IOKIYAAR
Form the link listed above
“Gov. Palin and her husband were obsessed with Wooten the way Capt. Ahab was obsessed with the Great White Whale. No Wooten, no peace.
Has Gov. Palin committed an impeachable offense? Hardly.
Is what she did indictable? No.
But it wasn’t appropriate, especially for someone elected as an ethical reformer. And her Orwellian claims of “vindication” make this blemish on her record look even worse.
You asked us to hold you accountable, Gov. Palin. Did you mean it?
Bottom line: Gov. Palin, read the report. It says you violated the ethics law.”
It’s neither impeachable, nor indictable, from your own link.
I mean really. Defending Palin by brining up Mark Foley and the guy who replaced him?
Priceless….
when you have nothing, you have nothing. I guess it’s the best they can do.
Still defending pedophiles, grmie?
Or would you rather talk about ACORN. You know, the one mcsame is on video saying makes America special?
Who you gonna believe? Grmie and nutboy? Or those lying eyes of yours?
“The investigator did conclude that Palin’s firing of Monegan was within her power, that “although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.”
“It’s neither impeachable, nor indictable, from your own link.”
It is a violation of a statute though.
Not to mention the Ten Commandments.
A fine thing for Bible Spice to do. She better ask the Witch Hunter to intercede with god…
“Lord, make a way for Sarah to stay out of jail”
The Alaska State Legislature reconvenes next January. If there is further action beyond the report delivered last week, it will be up to the legislature to decide.
So, if McCain can get his ticket elected that will put the whole thing to bed! If Palin goes back to her job as governor she will know for sure after the legislature addresses the matter (or not) whether it is over (or not).
One thing Palin’s stepping out onto a national stage has done is acquaint more Alaskans with their governor!
This whole thing is Governor Palin fault. Her Ex-Brother in Law sounds like a real jerk, but she shouldn’t have used her influence to try to get him fired. Since she couldn’t get to him, she fires the State Safety Director? Then, when they find that she abused her power and was unethical, she states that she did neither. No wonder people wont let this alone. If she would just admit wrongdoing, it would go away. Now, they are widening the probe, seems she may have be a bit unethical in accepting materials for the Wasilla house. What’s next? She should just bo back to AK
ksfarmgrrl-
heheheheh
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Palin broke no laws.
heheheheheh…
Kia, why do you ignore the part that says she violated the ethics statute, cited by name and number?
Why such selective reading?
Oh I forgot. FACTS have a liberal bias…
BiASSED, she violated a statute. HOW is that not breaking the law?
I guess you, like reg, think a statute is not a law?
She didnt violate the law by firing him. She did violate the law because she used a personal vendetta to fire him.
I know that requires some high level thinking to understand.
Or half a nitwit’s brain…
Say, biASSED, are you one of the Wit Brothers?
Dim, half and nit?
““It’s neither impeachable, nor indictable, from your own link.”
It is a violation of a statute though.”
I never said it wasn’t. You are the one that accused me of being afraid to orad the link. THe fact is, I did. The whole article. Something, apparently, that you did not.
But I am not defending Palin. Palin has no business as VP. A damn poor choice as running mate by a poor candidate. However, I suspect, that were there as many reporters digging into Biden’s past, there might be some juicy nuggets as well.
Ethics are a grey area of right and wrong.
Nothing illegal there.
ksfarmgrrlmuncher-
How is the One going to CUT your taxes?
How are you going to benefit.
Wooten is also filing a complaint that his personnel file was violated by … wait for it…
Todd Palin. Who, one DAY after Palin took office, got on the phone in the governor’s office and requested that Monoghan turn over Wooten’s personnel file to the governor.
IOKIYAAR
“No wonder people wont let this alone. If she would just admit wrongdoing, it would go away.”
Yep.
But as long as you repukes wanna whine about it. we’ll be glad to keep talking about it. I sure as hell wouldnt want a story like this to fade away.
Keep kickin’ it! I mean, since it’s working so well for you all.
littlejane- Biden’s past, there might be some juicy nuggets as well.
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His PAST? How about his lobbyist son?
What more explanation is needed???
‘Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: “I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”’
What is IOKIYAAR?
Heh. Violating a named statute is HARDLY a gray area.
“ksfarmgrrlmuncher-
How is the One going to CUT your taxes?
How are you going to benefit.”
This thread is about palin. Nice try though at changing the subject.
Just as I predicted…
Hell, they ALL do personal vendettas. In that respect, Palin is no better, or not worse. It’s just the way it is. Not the way it should be, but the way it is.
Of course, I have no linkable evidence to back that up, nor do I care. It is my opinion, and I don;t care if you believe it or not. I do not offer it as proof of anything.
ksfrmgrrlicker- Keep kickin’ it! I mean, since it’s working so well for you all.
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Two Palin topics per day!
And she STILL hasn’t broke any laws.
And she STILL has more qualifications than the One.
And at the same time
“Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads”
For all of the ACORN chipmunks >>>>
You will please note that JOHN MCCAIN gave a speech at the ACORN convention earlier THIS year!! I dont believe Obama did that one…
“How is the One going to CUT your taxes?”
The ONE lied. He cannot cut 95% of American’s Taxes.
Impossible.
40% pay no federal income tax.
It is impossible to “cut” their taxes.
The ONE lies to get votes.
Another finding of the Branchwater report was in regard to emails and that is written about here:
State scrambles to gather private e-mails
The state is bustling to try to comply with a court order issued today that requires Gov. Sarah Palin and everyone else in the governor’s office to preserve all e-mails issued from private accounts that concern state business.
more at:
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/552319.html
Anchorage Daily New (adn.com) has lots of info about the investigation, the report…
biased1-
Since you continue to change my nic, and since i am not female, why in the hell should I bother with you. I have repeatedly asked you why you did such, and repeatedly asked you to stop. This is a blog, and I can take whatever. It’s just an annoyance for no purpose.
OMG, and now you want to change the subect to BIDEN?
Heheh. HEE HEE HEE HEE HEEEEEEEEEE.
If you guys were not so predictable, this wouldnt be half as much fun.
And Chas? Dont bother. You know in repuke world violating statutes is not breaking the law.
Keep playing that “no law was broken” song. Democrats are making hay with it!!!!
She wont be charged for firing Monoghan.
But she may be charged for violating the ethics LAWS. Er, excuse me. Ethics statutes.
As Linda noted, we wont know until January, now will we?
And violating the ethics statute IS grounds for impeachment. Or recall.
At the very least, it will be cause for her being a one term wonder.
Now it IS possible to STEAL from the rich,
during a time when our nation is 10 trillion (count them) dollars in debt.
It is possible to GIVE RICH PEOPLE’S MONEY to the 40% who already do not pay any federal income taxes.
You can do this by:
1. Giving them MORE free money
2. Increasing the Unearned Income Credit
That is NOT a tax cut.
It’s a freaking legal THEFT program!!
ksfrmgrrlicker- This thread is about palin. Nice try though at changing the subject.
Just as I predicted…
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that’s answer enough.
hehehehehe..
“And violating the ethics statute IS grounds for impeachment. Or recall”.
Apparently not, according to the link you provided.
“Keep playing that “no law was broken” song. Democrats are making hay with it!!!!”
never said that. Don;t act like I did.
Read the whole damn article that you linked to.
Oh MAN, a twofer.
“And she STILL hasn’t broke any laws.
And she STILL has more qualifications than the One.”
Nice gymnastics in the same post to deny this:
“‘Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: “I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”
AND change the subject.
Heheheheh.
The shark is laughing too hard to call today.
FWIW —- The Trooper Wooten — sounds like this guy should have been a wash out BEFORE he ever attended whatever Academy they have in Alaska… Should have never WORN the uniform!! In MOST jurisdictions, drinking alcohol on the job as a LEO is all that is needed to loe your badge, job, and any future in Law Enforcement…. How did he manage to accomplish that??? WHO allowed that alcohol violation to go unpunished???
Might that have happened BEFORE the divorce from Ms. Palin’s sister??
And anybody want to comment on how Ms Palin’s DADDY was with the guy who illegally shot the moose??
SO are they not pursuing impeachment charges on the ‘ethics violoation’ because you can’t or because she has something like a 80% approval rating?
“OMG, and now you want to change the subect to BIDEN?”
No, I don;t. Just pointing out the incredible amount of scrutiny that Palin is getting, and what I would guess would be the outcome if Biden was under the same.
The Problem started with McCain, Nobody knew a damn thing about Palin, so everybody is looking. Few politicians could stand that kind of scrutiny.
KFG — that shark might be laughing… (is that the Jesus shark) BUT… the pooch is howling…. pooch has been screwed a few too many times!!!
ksfrmgrrlicker- She wont be charged for firing Monoghan.
But she may be charged for violating the ethics LAWS. Er, excuse me. Ethics statutes.
As Linda noted, we wont know until January, now will we?
And violating the ethics statute IS grounds for impeachment. Or recall.
At the very least, it will be cause for her being a one term wonder.
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So the entire post is a red herring.
hehehehehehe….
That way we don’t have to explain how to give someone that doesn’t pay taxes a “tax cut”
hehehehehehe….
Ethics are a manner of morals and personal choice don’t you think?
Ethically, I don’t see how a trooper like Wooten should be on the job. As a citizen, he’s not the type of person I want with the authority that goes with being a peace officer. It seems the Governor felt that same way.
Just as ethically I think certain lifestyles are an abomination, while others may not.
Most of the Alaska newspapers are predicting a “censure” by the legislators once they reconvene. But nobody knows what will happen next year. Maybe the legisltors won’t even bring it up! Palin won’t return to the same situation she left. Maybe she won’t even have a roommate in her office, she’ll look over at that table where her hubby always sat and maybe sigh wistfully and think, “if only”…
LJ, YOU need to read the link.
“Sarah Palin’s reaction to the Legislature’s Troopergate report is an embarrassment to Alaskans and the nation.
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She claims the report “vindicates” her. She said that the investigation found “no unlawful or unethical activity on my part.”
Her response is either astoundingly ignorant or downright Orwellian.
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: “I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”
In plain English, she did something “unlawful.” She broke the state ethics law.”
THAT is from the link.
Jeebus LJ. I expect better from you.
Oh jesus…
“Ethics are a manner of morals and personal choice don’t you think?”
No.
In Alaska, it’s a matter of statute, a matter of law.
Why are you denying that?
Oh and nice try. Texas v Lawrence says being gay is not against the law.
But the Alaska legislature says violating the ethics statute IS against the law.
Do you know how stupid and desperate you sound? Apparently not!
Oh, pul-lease. Are you people adults, or 3-year-olds?
The investigator said Palin broke the law. Period. And I agree with Jon Stewart: it’s amazing that she hasn’t tried to finesse that fact–she just shamelessly lies, as if no one will notice.
And, as for the red herring about the supposed dangerous trooper, well, read the report (since you won’t trust the numerous reports of what it said). Not only did the Palins never express any fear of Wooten, but she actually had had her security detail reduced. The Branchflower report also noted that firing Wooten would have not done anything to make the family safer (unemployed and angry–sounds like a plan!).
But keep spinning, folks. It’s funny!
Good news for Alaskans!
Branchflower’s report comes in $25,000 under budget
When legislators voted July 28 to investigate potential abuses of power in the administration of Gov. Sarah Palin, they authorized spending up to $100,000.
http://www.adn.com/monegan/
Just as with the Bush impeachment, charge her with something or STFU
HAHAHAHAHAH
So.. the repukes are too stupid to figure out if Biden violated any ethics laws?
hehehe. HAHAHHAAHAHAHAAAHAHH
I’m quite sure if they had any dirt on Biden, they’d bring it up. But they dont.
it’s called “empty handed”
It goes nicely with “empty rhetoric” and “empty headed”.
Deny, deflect, defend.
Right out of the repuke playbook.
At the very least, it will be cause for her being a one term wonder.
How do you know that Farm Girl? Are you going to vote for everyone in Alaska?
As an example of a convicted felon who can get elected again, look no further than the democrat party:
“This Saturday’s Democratic election pits six challengers against embattled incumbent William Jefferson, Democratic candidate in the LA 2nd Congressional District.
While Jefferson continues his legal battle against bribery charges, analyst Doctor Silas Lee says he still has the advantage of name recognition. (If you recall, Jefferson was the democrat who the FBI found 90,000 in cash in his freezer on Capitol Hill.)
“A lot of voters are undecided. They need more information about their respective challengers.
“Just as with the Bush impeachment, charge her with something or STFU”
Is there something about “the legislature doesnt meet until January” that is too complicated for you to understand?
You want her charged in three days? hehehe. HAHAHAHA.
If that happened, then you’d be whining about a rush to judgement. You should just be glad the legislature isnt in session BEFORE the election.
Tell me, how DO you defend the indefensible?
Editors, quit pickin on Sarha Fey!
Please repost where I’ve defended Jefferson.
nice try at changing the subject.
Again.
No one has yet to explain how one acts in power and yet abuses it.
When you can do that we can chat more.
In plain English, the predetermined investigation could not find an actual law or statute that Palin had broken, so instead concluded that she violated the “scope of the code”!!
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non story, but hey thow out a nasty headline and divert attention…..
How are those tax cuts coming?
hehehehe….
American_Way
Posted October 14, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink
At the very least, it will be cause for her being a one term wonder.
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Popularity contest.
Kinda like how Obama is leading in polls.
Amway, you are too dumb to live.
First you inflame with this”
“As an example of a convicted felon who can get elected again, look no further than the democrat party”
Then your OWN link says this:
“While Jefferson continues his legal battle against bribery charges”
Got a link to Jefferson’s conviction? Probably not, since he hasnt been convicted of anything. Remember innocent until proven guilty? He may very well be guilty, but he has NOT been convicted of a felony.
Liar
But nice try. We are amused, and we do encourage you to try again…
Here in Wichita, KS there was an editorial in this morning’s paper examining the question, “Why individuals with such documented personal problems think they should run for public office is a mystery?” Here locally the question is asked because of Gabel and Schoenhofer. Seems the same kind of examination is being undertaken in Alaska too!
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Board’s Troopergate probe casts wider net
The state Personnel Board investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin’s firing of Walt Monegan has broadened to include other ethics complaints against the governor and examination of actions by other state employees, according to the independent counsel handling the case.
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/555288.html
Again, from the same link:
“Gov. Palin and her husband were obsessed with Wooten the way Capt. Ahab was obsessed with the Great White Whale. No Wooten, no peace.
Has Gov. Palin committed an impeachable offense? Hardly.
Is what she did indictable? No.
But it wasn’t appropriate, especially for someone elected as an ethical reformer. And her Orwellian claims of “vindication” make this blemish on her record look even worse.
You asked us to hold you accountable, Gov. Palin. Did you mean it?
Bottom line: Gov. Palin, read the report. It says you violated the ethics law.””
KsFarmgrrl-
I never defended her for it, nor did I excuse it, nor did I say it was okay. In fact, the finding was that she violated the ethics law. No problem with that. My problem was that you carried it further than was stated in the article, then when I refuted it, you claimed I didn;t read the article. Something falsely claimed. Your statement was
“And who says she will NOT be indicted or brought up on ethics charges for violating, ya know, the STATUTE that was cited in the report?
My answer was the same article you linked said it was not an impeachable or indictable offense. And having read the statute, there isn;t a penalty clause attached. Seems like a law without teeth, which was my statement A condition I am sure most politicians enjoy.
Pick on Palin all you want, just keep it straight. There is plenty of ammo, I am sure.
“
Ethics, either you have them or you don’t.
I already explained it once, Kia, but you are either too dumb or too stubborn to understand.
It wasnt the firing that violated the law. It was using a personal vendetta to do the firing.
Like I said before, is that just too complicated for your oh so biased brain to understand?
IOKIYAAR
The google is your friend
So she violated a law with no penalty?
hehehehehheheheheh.
Ok. If you are willing to concede she DID violate the law, I’ll concede she may not be indicted or impeached on the Wooten thing.
On other charges? We’ll see.
What do Barack Obama or William Jefferson or George Bush have to do with this?
Hey, I can play, too!
Ted Bundy killed women !. Repeatedly!
So either express your outrage at that little fact, or STFU!
“She claims the report “vindicates” her. She said that the investigation found “no unlawful or unethical activity on my part.”
Her response is either astoundingly ignorant or downright Orwellian.”
Agreed.
“Popularity contest.”
Yeah kia. It’s called an election.
Anyone want to put some money on whether or not she’ll serve TWO terms of governor?
Either way, it’s not illegal. I call it a fringe benefit. LOL.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 14, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink
“Popularity contest.”
Yeah kia. It’s called an election.
Anyone want to put some money on whether or not she’ll serve TWO terms of governor?
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She’s enormously popular in Alaska.
If she’s not Vice President I’ll put any amount you want on her being elected again as Governor, assuming she runs as well.
“Ok. If you are willing to concede she DID violate the law, I’ll concede she may not be indicted or impeached on the Wooten thing.”
Good enough for me. let the rest fall where it may. I have no dog int this race. I will not, not as a matter of indecision, but a matter of painfuly decision, vote for any of the candidates. I will vote for the write in candidate “none of the above”
This “finding” has widened the investigations. That’s a good thing! It’s the consequence (in my opinion) of her arrogance in thinking she was prepared for high national office.
I’ve also read that when the Alaska Legislature reconvenes next year those laws without teeth may be revisited. That might or might not effect Gov. Palin, but again, she has shed light in dark corners.
This foray into national politics has so may benefits and consequences!
Kia, explain to me how she can violate a statute and still not done anything illegal. If you can, then we can chat more.
ksfrmgrrllcker- It wasnt the firing that violated the law. It was using a personal vendetta to do the firing.
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In plain English, the predetermined investigation could not find an actual law or statute that Palin had broken, so instead concluded that she violated the “scope of the code”!!
hehehehehe…
I wonder if dealing with the CONVICTED felon tony rezko constitutes violating the “scope of the code”
nah, this is a palin bashing post.
bahhhhhhhh….
bahhhhhhhh….
back to your trough sheeple….
hehehehehe!!
I would suggest all of you do the same. Send a fricking message. Likely it won;t be heard, but at least you sent the message.
WEll farmie if I was an Alaskan voter and I found that my gov wanted to get a trooper fired who drank on the job, threatened to kill someone, tasered a 10 year old kid ‘in fun’ I would reward her with my vote for her second term.
I would even get out and campaign for her and congratulate her for her good judgement in firing this idiot that didn’t have enough sense to fire the trooper.
“Please repost where I’ve defended Jefferson.”
Farmgirl
You again get so worked up, you don’t bother reading.
You claimed that Palin will not get reelected.
I voiced my opinion that you don’t know that. And I provided an example of a convicted democrat who will very likely be reelected as an example.
biased1
Posted October 14, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink
littlejane- Biden’s past, there might be some juicy nuggets as well.
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His PAST? How about his lobbyist son?
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How about McCain’s past dealings and current dealings with lobbyists – especially the ones in his campaign staff!
“I’ve also read that when the Alaska Legislature reconvenes next year those laws without teeth may be revisited.”
There will be lots of weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and then nothing will be done.
Not in the self interests of politicians. Go read the statute. None of these bass turds want any teeth in something like that.
“Remember innocent until proven guilty?”
Farm Girl you are too easy.
You mean like Sarah Palin?
HA-HA!
(keep trying though)
“I would even get out and campaign for her and congratulate her for her good judgement in firing this idiot that didn’t have enough sense to fire the trooper.”
Sorry okobserver, Farm Girl has ALREADY decided Palin will be a one hit wonder…
Like it or not there is right, wrong and illegal.
Biased, what the hell are you talking about?
“In plain English, the predetermined investigation could not find an actual law or statute that Palin had broken”
Are you just too dumb to undertand this?
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: “I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”
Rage is right. Listening to you put your fingers in your ears and sing “lalalalala” really IS funny.
I agree the law has no teeth, and few will vote to give it teeth in a state where oil money has corrupted most of the politicians.
But as far as Palin’s re-election, I would take that bet: she’s in trouble. The only problem: in 2010, who here will care anymore? Palin will be so 2008. . .
“And who says she will NOT be indicted or brought up on ethics charges for violating, ya know, the STATUTE that was cited in the report?”
Again our resident nitwit spouts off about what she knows little of.
The commission already has stated Palin did nothing illegal, or outside the power the Alaska State Constitutions grants, and that no charges will be filed.
“Branchflower’s report contains four findings. The first concludes that Palin violated the state’s executive branch ethics act, which says that “each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”
BUT:
“Here, there is no accusation, no finding and no facts that money or financial gain to the Governor was involved in the decision to remove Monegan,” the governor’s attorney says. “There can be no ethics violations under these circumstances.”
“In the second finding, Branchflower says Monegan’s refusal to fire Wooten was not the sole reason for his dismissal but that it was a “contributing factor.” Still, he said, Palin’s firing of Monegan was “a proper and lawful exercise” of the governor’s authority.”
“The report says Palin failed to reign in her husband’s inappropriate efforts to use the governor’s office to contact trooper employees in his attempts to have Wooten fired.”
Uh….he is a citizen resident in his own right and can act on his own.
Therriault said Todd Palin’s written response indicates that Gov. Palin, at some point, urged her husband to drop his efforts against Wooten.
Therriault said Branchflower was unable to consider those late-arriving materials “because we had this artificial deadline today.”
“Why?” he continued. “Because we’re in a political season.”
They were under pressure to get it out so it would do the most damage.
That report is pure junk!!!
okobserver
Posted October 14, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink
WEll farmie if I was an Alaskan voter and I found that my gov wanted to get a trooper fired who drank on the job, threatened to kill someone, tasered a 10 year old kid ‘in fun’ I would reward her with my vote for her second term.
I would even get out and campaign for her and congratulate her for her good judgement in firing this idiot that didn’t have enough sense to fire the trooper.
–And you would have every right to vote for her but other people have the right to vote the way they want and to question Palin’s actions.
Palin invited this investigation (before becoming McCain’s VP choice) and was more than happy to be cooperate (before becoming McCain’s VP choice).
Where is that open book Sarah Palin keeps talking about?
Eighty percent approval?
heheheh. Not anymore. Seems like it’s plunged into the sixties and is still dropping…
And that was BEFORE the troopergate report.
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/542179.html
Rage
Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
The only problem: in 2010, who here will care anymore? Palin will be so 2008
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Exactly. With “That One’s” election, we’ll all be in bread lines by then.
Heheheheh. TEN republicans and FOUR democrats issued the report, and bigotbox says it’s political junk?
Um…ok… have it your way…
BUT:
“Here, there is no accusation, no finding and no facts that money or financial gain to the Governor was involved in the decision to remove Monegan,” the governor’s attorney says. “There can be no ethics violations under these circumstances.”
So her attorney offered the standard parsed legal defense–that’s nice. And yet she’s too stupid to even use that technique, falsely claiming that the investigation vindicated her, something no sane person would claim.
Amazing.
got a link to back up that post, bigotbox?
Or is is from somewhere you are ashamed to post?
What law did Palin break?
Or, is just a violation of a ethics statute which at the most “might” get a censure from the legislature…
If there was such as thing as violation of ethics for the general public, 90 percent of the people on this blog would be in prison.
It’s a toothless hound statute. It howls at the moon and scratches at the back door.
Meaningless tripe…
In the short 6 weeks Palin has been on the national stage, as her constituents learn much more about her, she has dropped in those “favorability” ratings more than 20%.
And the lights have only begun to be cast into the dark corners.
Did you know only 237,322 Alaskans even voted in the 2006 gubernatorial race? And Sarah Palin got 114,697 votes in that election! The last figures available are from 2006 which show an estimated Alaska state population of 670,053, and 466,258 registered voters. Palin only got the vote of ONE QUARTER of the registered voters!
http://www.elections.alaska.gov/06general/data/results.htm
I think there’s a better than even chance more Alaskans are aware of their governor today.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink
Heheheheh. TEN republicans and FOUR democrats issued the report, and bigotbox says it’s political junk?
Um…ok… have it your way…
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The reason why the McCain/Palin ticket is the only one that could bring true change to Washington is that they have pissed off members of their parties more often than their opponents.
Scream all you want about McCain voting with Bush 90% of the time – Obama votes with the Democrats more. That’s not reform and it’s not change. It’s a change in party rule it’s not a change in politics as usual.
The only thing she did to “abuse” her power was “nothing”.
The firing of Monegan did not provide nor could it, any personal or financial benefit or betray any trust. Nor has anyone provided one as evidence.
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hehehehehehe….
Approval rating – 68% for Palin.
And for Congress?
And for POTUS?
Sounds like Palin knocked it out of the park on that one.
It’s a change in party rule it’s not a change in politics as usual.
I see. So making enemies in your own party is the criterion for changing politics, no matter what the reason.
That’s about as vapid as it gets.
Sol.. the point is… it has dropped from eighty percent.
Today, that eighty percent figure is a lie, only posted by someone who cant do any research.
I wonder what that approval rating would be today?
And I think we should boot out ALL incumbents, including congress.
Article 01. DECLARATIONS
Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a)
Sec. 39.52.010. Declaration of policy.
(a) It is declared that
(1) high moral and ethical standards among public officers in the executive branch are essential to assure the trust, respect, and confidence of the people of this state;
(2) a code of ethics for the guidance of public officers will
(A) discourage those officers from acting upon personal or financial interests in the performance of their public responsibilities;
(B) improve standards of public service; and
(C) promote and strengthen the faith and confidence of the people of this state in their public officers;
(3) holding public office or employment is a public trust and that as one safeguard of that trust, the people require public officers to adhere to a code of ethics;
(4) a fair and open government requires that executive branch public officers conduct the public’s business in a manner that preserves the integrity of the governmental process and avoids conflicts of interest;
(5) in order for the rules governing conduct to be respected both during and after leaving public service, the code of ethics must be administered fairly without bias or favoritism;
(6) no code of conduct, however comprehensive, can anticipate all situations in which violations may occur nor can it prescribe behaviors that are appropriate to every situation; in addition, laws and regulations regarding ethical responsibilities cannot legislate morality, eradicate corruption, or eliminate bad judgment; and
(7) compliance with a code of ethics is an individual responsibility; thus all who serve the state have a solemn responsibility to avoid improper conduct and prevent improper behavior by colleagues and subordinates.
(b) The legislature declares that it is the policy of the state, when a public employee is appointed to serve on a state board or commission, that the holding of such offices does not constitute the holding of incompatible offices unless expressly prohibited by the Alaska Constitution, this chapter and any opinions or decisions rendered under it, or another statute.
I didn’t see a penalty for any of the above.
Okay, now that pure stupidity has taken over (comparative approval ratings? huh?), this is good time to get back to work.
But for the record: Ted Bundy was a bad man!
Later, folks!
I gotta go. I have a noon deadline on my column, and you all certainly gave me my subject for today.
hubris
Do you understand politics at all?
Rags- So making enemies in your own party is the criterion for changing politics, no matter what the reason.
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making the rest of the country look like the south side of chicago means true change.
hehehehehe….
So…she did violate a statue. There’s just no penalty for breaking that particular law.
got it!
Guess it’s all ok then…
Only in the liberal logic can an approval rating at 2/3 still be a bad thing.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink
I gotta go. I have a noon deadline on my column, and you all certainly gave me my subject for today.
hubris
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Is that anything like humus? LOL
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink
I gotta go. I have a noon deadline on my column.
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do use wash your “column” after using?
hehehehe!!!
American Way-
I think she was “found” to have violated :
“Sec. 39.52.110. Scope of code; prohibition of unethical conduct.
(a) The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust. In addition, the legislature finds that, so long as it does not interfere with the full and faithful discharge of an officer’s public duties and responsibilities, this chapter does not prevent an officer from following other independent pursuits. The legislature further recognizes that
(1) in a representative democracy, the representatives are drawn from society and, therefore, cannot and should not be without personal and financial interests in the decisions and policies of government;
(2) people who serve as public officers retain their rights to interests of a personal or financial nature; and
(3) standards of ethical conduct for members of the executive branch need to distinguish between those minor and inconsequential conflicts that are unavoidable in a free society, and those conflicts of interests that are substantial and material.
(b) Unethical conduct is prohibited, but there is no substantial impropriety if, as to a specific matter, a public officer’s
(1) personal or financial interest in the matter is insignificant, or of a type that is possessed generally by the public or a large class of persons to which the public officer belongs; or
(2) action or influence would have insignificant or conjectural effect on the matter.
(c) The attorney general, designated supervisors, hearing officers, and the personnel board must be guided by this section when issuing opinions and reaching decisions.
(d) Stock or other ownership interest in a business is presumed insignificant if the value of the stock or other ownership interest, including an option to purchase an ownership interest, is less than $5,000.
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And, as i read it, the committee’s report would be more like a prosecutorial charge, not as a finding of guilt in a “trial”, although I could be wrong on that point. AVTOLLE, are you listening in?
Its good to see Regular and the other Republicans attacking the press.
Nary a word about the excesses of Fox news. Keep up the prattle Cons. John McCain used to be the darling of the press and then he continued to snarl at them and now they won’t give him a break. Surprised? Really. its human nature. Just as it will be human nature to systematically dismantle the Republican Party when the Democrats are in power. Gerrymandering of districts, Fairness Doctrine, campaign finance reform, tax the richest, etc.
Does anybody have a link to the actual report? A quick search only showed reports about the report. I might not have dug deep enough. If someone has a quick link, I would appreciate it. I know it’s over 300 pages long, but I would like to actually read what the news says it says.
Just another day where the EDITORS continue on with their bias.
Exactly what “ethics law” did she violate?
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink
I gotta go. I have a noon deadline on my column, and you all certainly gave me my subject for today.
hubris
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I’ve found that a soft buffing cloth keeps one’s hubris bright and shiny.
American_Way
Posted October 14, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink
AmWay —- Even if Jefferson wins, he wont get to serve, IF convicted…. He will end up the same as James Trafficant, from Ohio… in prison… not serving in the House!!
Wanna try another red herring??? That fish from LA starts stinking really fast…
littlejohn,
At the Anchorage Daily News there is a pdf of the full report. I’m too computer illerate to know how to link more than the newspaper, but from the link below scroll to PDF: The Branchflower report
http://www.adn.com/monegan/
Chas- Wanna try another red herring??
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Would you rather eat your herring in the south side of chicago or phoenix?
Nathaniel,
according to the link, the committee found that she violated Sec. 39.52.110(a) of the state ethics law: Specifically, that citation reads
““Sec. 39.52.110. Scope of code; prohibition of unethical conduct.
(a) The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust. In addition, the legislature finds that, so long as it does not interfere with the full and faithful discharge of an officer’s public duties and responsibilities, this chapter does not prevent an officer from following other independent pursuits. The legislature further recognizes that
(1) in a representative democracy, the representatives are drawn from society and, therefore, cannot and should not be without personal and financial interests in the decisions and policies of government;
(2) people who serve as public officers retain their rights to interests of a personal or financial nature; and
(3) standards of ethical conduct for members of the executive branch need to distinguish between those minor and inconsequential conflicts that are unavoidable in a free society, and those conflicts of interests that are substantial and material.”
lindainks55
Posted October 14, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink
This “finding” has widened the investigations. That’s a good thing! It’s the consequence (in my opinion) of her arrogance in thinking she was prepared for high national office.
I’ve also read that when the Alaska Legislature reconvenes next year those laws without teeth may be revisited. That might or might not effect Gov. Palin, but again, she has shed light in dark corners.
This foray into national politics has so may benefits and consequences!
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Good point Linda – I look for Palin to become a lame duck if McCain/Palin loses and when she returns to Alaska, her approval rating may not be as high as when she left.
But, you know, that is what usually happens when a reformer/maverick (such as Palin) goes in and gets the good old boys out of office and then she sets up office with her own set of good old boys.
You know the old saying – garbage in, garbage out?
Man- But, you know, that is what usually happens when a reformer/maverick (such as Palin) goes in and gets the good old boys out of office.
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Democraps do what democraps do.
destroy a woman that disagrees with them.(such as palin)
Nathan, you been hiding out somewhere??? Did you miss the official ruling from Alaska???
What more explanation is needed???
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: “I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”
In plain English, she did something “unlawful.” She broke the state ethics law.”
That is taken from a link upthread….
Thanks Linda. I will have to read it bits at a time, but I will get it done.
biased1
Posted October 14, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink
littlejane- Biden’s past, there might be some juicy nuggets as well.
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His PAST? How about his lobbyist son?
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If we’re going to talk about the candidates families, can we talk about McCain’s drug addicted wife?
“Nathaniel” chimes in with –
“…what “ethics law” did she violate?”
Y’know, boy, your repeated examples of ignorance is becoming tiresome.
The exact statute (which “Regular” tried to say “isn’t a law”) has been cited on this forum many times. Just because you didn’t notice, or choose to ignore (the definition of “ignorance”) it, or are trying to spin off a tangent that distracts from the issue at hand, doesn’t mean your little small-minded naivete (real or feigned) is gonna help you out, boy.
In the grand scheme of things, the little family spat of the Moose-Dresser and her sister’s messy divorce doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. But when you’re all of a sudden the governor of a state and you start to let your Snow-Machine-racer place calls and demand meetings in the Governor’s Office regarding a family issue… it’s abuse of power.
It’s small town politics. It’s small state, one-party shenanigans, it’s what happens when someone gets into a position of power and decides to impose it on petty little personal issues.
It’s like Nixon’s “Enemies List.” What in the world would Richard Nixon have against Paul Newman? But Newman made it on Nixon’s Enemies List.
The TrooperGate report specifically cited the statute (”not a law! says “Regular”) (But it is, you know.) Governor Palin broke. Like an indictment, it’s not a conviction. But the indictment does mean something, “Nathaniel.”
biased1
Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink
Man- But, you know, that is what usually happens when a reformer/maverick (such as Palin) goes in and gets the good old boys out of office.
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Democraps do what democraps do.
destroy a woman that disagrees with them.(such as palin
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Democrats were not the ones that called for the Troopergate investigation and the Republicans had the majority on the Inquiry Board.
Are you saying then that Republicans do what Republicans do – destroy a woman that disagrees with them?
Besides, Palin herself has stated her life is an open book – so why do you protest so much? If Palin’s husband had free access to the governor’s office to carry on his vendetta, then the Alakan voters have the right to know that fact. And, yes, having her husband as a good old boy making phone calls to get an ex-brother-in-law fire would be considered bringing in her own set of good old boys.
It will be interesting to see if Palin survives in politics after this fiasco into the national VP spotlight.
Pallin brought this on herself and McCain brought this onto the Republicans during a hotly contested election. I still wonder why McCain did not choose another promiment Republican woman to run with him – maybe because they all turned him down?
XXX
Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink
biased1
Posted October 14, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink
littlejane- Biden’s past, there might be some juicy nuggets as well.
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His PAST? How about his lobbyist son?
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If we’re going to talk about the candidates families, can we talk about McCain’s drug addicted wife?
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Not just the fact she had a problem with pain killers but that she involved the charity she was working with at the time. Again, a case of having some good old boys in the system?
From my favorite Alaskan blogger:
Remember back to the first week in September, when it seemed like every day there was a new “gate”? Actually, believe it or not, “Troopergate” used to be known as “Palingate” in Alaska because we naively believed there was only one. Oh, how innocent we were.
Since that long ago time, our naivete has fallen away, and “gates” have been springing up like mushrooms all over Alaska: Troopergate, babygate, bookgate, pastorgate…the list seemed endless. Add to that a whole host of more recent and harder to say “gates” – Leaving-your-town-in-debt-gate, collecting-per-diem-while-living-at-home-gate, charging-victims-for-rape-kits-gate, trying-to-rid-the-world-of-wolves-and-polar-bears-gate, and we’ve been busy people. We’ve been focusing on John McCain’s I-didn’t-vet-my-running-mate-so-I’m-going-te-let-everyone-else-do-it-gate.
But now, a brand new “gate” surfaces. I present “House Gate”. There will be more digging on this one in the days to come, but here’s what we know now.
(She follows with a description of HouseGate.)
Were this something that had been brought up as a stand-alone piece of evidence for a corruption investigation of a squeaky clean governor, I might never have thought it worth digging into. But usually, once you’ve established something is an onion, it doesn’t matter how many layers you peel away, it’s still an onion. And once you’ve established that someone abuses a position of power for self-gain (which we just did when the Branchflower Troopergate report was released), you can pretty well imagine that no matter how many layers you peel away, you’re likely to find more of the same.
For all the details, choose “House Gate” from the menu on the right of Recent Posts:
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
Linda – with all these ‘gates’ happening – I wonder why Sarah Palin tells everyone that her life is an open book and then she complains when someone has the nerve to ask questions?
How dare the public question the pitbull with the lipstick!
Nathaniel posted October 14, 2008 at 11:34 am
Just another day where the EDITORS continue on with their bias.
Exactly what “ethics law” did she violate?
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Read the report
For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides
“The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”
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Up to a $5,000 fine may be imposed.
“I wonder why Sarah Palin tells everyone that her life is an open book and then she complains when someone has the nerve to ask questions?” — mom
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Isn’t it human nature to wonder what is behind the closed door? Why is the door closed? If there isn’t anything to hide why isn’t she talking to us, to reporters?
Not such a great campaign strategy, huh?
The Palin ethical violations investigation is expanding:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/555288.html
But let’s talk about Bill Ayers, please.
Steven, McCain has promised Ayers will come up at tomorrow night’s debate! Something to look forward to, huh!?
“But let’s talk about Bill Ayers, please.”
Why not? Just because Palin isn;t qualified doesn;t mean Obama is. Just because Palin MAY have abused her power doesn;t make Obamas hands clean. Fallacy of todays political climate
I decided long ago to not vote McCain because of character issues. I recently have decided to not vote for Obama for the same
Better yet….
Shouldn’t we be talking about the Economy and not wasting time with such things as a simple ethics violation in Alaska?
Where have I heard that argument before?
She should have stayed in her little sand box where she could be the bully.
Palin approval rating drops in Alaska
68 PERCENT: Latest poll shows percentage drop from the 80s.
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/542179.html
ittlejohn
Posted October 14, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
“But let’s talk about Bill Ayers, please.”
Why not?
Because no one wants to talk about the mundane reality, i.e., a law school professor working with a university professor on issues like education.
The hysteria about Ayers has been beyond moronic.
Nathaniel
Posted October 14, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
Better yet….
Shouldn’t we be talking about the Economy and not wasting time with such things as a simple ethics violation in Alaska?
I agree, but it’s relevant in passing, since the current occupant who helped screw the economy also enjoyed serious abuses of power.
Noted: A state investigator found that Palin abused her power. Not good.
Now let’s move on, and talk about the economy.
Nathaniel posted October 14, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Shouldn’t we be talking about the Economy and not wasting time with such things as a simple ethics violation in Alaska?
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So it’s okay with Nathaniel if Palin abused the power of her office to try to get Wooten fired? Despite warnings to her, and others, that doing that was unethical.
It’s okay with Nathaniel if Palin LIES about the findings of the investigation?
It’s okay with Nathaniel if Palin very hypocritically campaigns that she will bring ethics reform and open government to Alaska (and DC)?
P.S. I actually included an embedded link to the report in my first post, but I guess no one noticed.
Rage,
I would hardly call this a “serious” abuse of power.
But hey, I understand, it is election time and you have to grasp for whatever you can get.
Nathaniel posted October 14, 2008 at 1:13 pm
I would hardly call this a “serious” abuse of power.
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Then WHY does Palin LIE about the findings? (read header)
Because no one wants to talk about the mundane reality, i.e., a law school professor working with a university professor on issues like education.
Apaprently, quite a few people do. Your description fails the smell test. Many people want to talk about it, except for Obama supporters. and Ayers, is nothing mundane. Didn;t he, as recently as 2001, continue to be unapologetic for his actions? Oh that’s right, he was never convicted. SO, he must be innocent, so he must be mundane. Come on, get the partisan blinders off.
To be fair, I don;t believe Obama is a terrorist, or wants to be a terrorist. He wants to be a politician, and will hobknob with anybody (including old terrorists) that will get him there. Same as true with all the bass turds. Obama just seeks a pass on it.
Cosmos,
You call everyone who disagrees with you a liar and almost everything someone says a lie.
So please tell me what this “lie” is that Palin is out telling now?
StevenEDavis
Posted October 14, 2008 at 12:42 pm | Permalink
The Palin ethical violations investigation is expanding:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/555288.html
So this is the investigation via the Personnel Board that Palin wanted and agrees to cooperate FULLY with? Perhaps she will have the campaign issue another report exonerating herself.
Nathan, if Palin in the slightest way does NOT cooperate with this investigation would you admit that she was lying?
Nathaniel posted October 14, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
So please tell me what this “lie” is that Palin is out telling now?
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Nathaniel. . . didn’t you read the header? Are you in denial?
“For someone who is campaigning as a reformer, Sarah Palin is sure sounding like a typical politician. Palin claimed Saturday that a special counsel’s investigation into her efforts to get her former brother-in-law fired cleared her of “any legal wrongdoing, any hint of any kind of unethical activity.” Not true. Though the report concluded that she had the power to reassign Alaska’s public safety commissioner, in part for not firing her former brother-in-law, it determined that she abused her power and violated state ethics laws.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/palin-makes-tro.html
lindainks55
Posted October 14, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
Steven, McCain has promised Ayers will come up at tomorrow night’s debate! Something to look forward to, huh!?
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Linda,
I know he is that desperate, but the question is, is he that stupid? I am betting, YES!
An editorial about the Orwellian nature of Palin’s response to the investigation findings thus far:
http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236.html
Good cartoon
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/215/index.html
Troopergate expands
Probe of ‘troopergate’ expands to other Palin complaints
The state Personnel Board investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin’s firing of Walt Monegan has broadened to include other ethics complaints against the governor and examination of actions by other state employees, according to the independent counsel handling the case.
The investigator, Tim Petumenos, did not say who else is under scrutiny. But in two recent letters describing his inquiry, he cited the consolidation of complaints and the involvement of other officials as a reason for not going along with Palin’s request to make the examination of her activities more public.
Two other ethics complaints involving Palin are known. One, by activist Andree McLeod, alleges that state hiring practices were circumvented for a Palin supporter. The case is not related to Monegan’s firing. The other, by the Public Safety Employees Association, alleges that trooper Mike Wooten’s personnel file was illegally breached by state officials.
John Cyr, the PSEA executive director, said Monday the union plans to amend its complaint to be sure the board investigates “harassment” of Wooten as well.
Petumenos has not spoken to the press, in keeping with the secrecy of the state process. But he gave a rough description of the investigation’s course in two letters to an Anchorage attorney threatening a lawsuit over Palin’s effort to waive confidentiality.
Attention is turning this week to the Personnel Board — the state’s official avenue for investigating ethics complaints — after release of the Legislature’s Troopergate investigation last Friday. The Legislature’s investigator concluded that Palin was within her rights to fire Monegan as public safety commissioner, but abused her power and broke the ethics law in joining her husband to push for the firing of Wooten, who was once married to the governor’s sister.
Palin reversed an earlier pledge and refused to cooperate with the Legislature’s investigation, calling it politically biased. In an unusual twist, she filed the ethics complaint against herself before the board, saying she hoped to “clear the air” by an inquiry through proper channels. She asked the board to decide if she broke ethics laws or acted improperly in dismissing Monegan or in dealing with Wooten — basically the same ground Branchflower covered.
Petumenos has requested a copy of Friday’s legislative report, including confidential backup material, said Sen. Kim Elton, D-Juneau, chairman of the Legislative Council. Elton said the council will meet Thursday to vote on whether to give Petumenos all the material gathered by its investigator, Steve Branchflower.
Petumenos was hired by the Personnel Board to handle the case because the state attorney general’s office, which normally investigates ethics charges, would have a conflict investigating the governor.
Under the state’s inscrutable system for investigating official ethics complaints, there’s no way to tell how long Petumenos’ investigation might take. The Personnel Board, made up of three gubernatorial appointees, has meetings scheduled for Oct. 20 and Nov. 3. Agendas for those meetings mention confidential ethics matters to be handled in executive session.
Nor is there any certainty, if the complaints are settled or dismissed, that the results of the investigation will ever be made public. A review of recent Personnel Board cases, however, suggests it’s likely most information will eventually be released.
Palin has been involved in Personnel Board investigations before — though not as a subject of complaint — and at the time complained about their secrecy.
In high-profile cases that established her statewide reputation as an ethics reformer, Palin helped with a 2003 investigation of Republican Party chairman Randy Ruedrich, who was working on a state oil regulatory panel, and she co-filed a complaint in 2004 against then-attorney general Gregg Renkes.
Both men were found by investigators to have crossed ethical lines. Details of the investigations were released in the end, as part of a settlement that stopped short of the full public hearing before an administrative law judge that the law requires in serious cases.
In the Ruedrich case, Palin resigned her state job in protest while the investigation was still secret, saying she felt implicated in a cover-up because of the shroud.
“I’d like to find a hero in the Legislature who can take on and change that law and make it more sensible,” Palin said at the time she resigned. As governor, she has supported changes to ethics laws, but the secrecy of board investigations has not been changed.
Palin fired Monegan in July and the legislative inquiry began later that month.
Four days after her Aug. 29 selection as John McCain’s Republican vice presidential candidate, Palin’s lawyer filed an official ethics complaint over the Monegan affair with the Personnel Board, urging the Legislature to give way. The Legislature refused, creating parallel investigations.
Judging from Petumenos’ letters on the case, he feels able to range as broadly as Branchflower into subjects related to the original ethics complaints.
One element will distinguish the Personnel Board inquiry: It will have Palin’s cooperation.
Sarah and Todd Palin have agreed to be interviewed by Petumenos at the end of next week, said Meg Stapleton, a spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign. She said Monday she has no other details of the arrangement.
Read the full story at adn.com
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/53909.html
“Nathan, if Palin in the slightest way does NOT cooperate with this investigation would you admit that she was lying?”
HEHEHEHEHEHE. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAH!
Nathan, admit she was lying? Mr. “this is not a pipe” while holding a pipe in his hands?
That Nathan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.
Stop, yer killin’ me….
“How dare the public question the pitbull with the lipstick!”
hee hee hee heeeeeeee!
Reminds me of Bevis and Butthead.
“I am Cornholio. Are you threatening me?”
Obama should invite Ayers into the audience, then he could address Mccain/Palin smears against Obama, and explain their acquaintance.
Maybe they will add this to Sarah “ethics reformer” Palin’s list?
‘Did Sports Complex Contractors Build Palin’s House for Free? ‘
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/11/111018/34/47/627460
“What an unusual situation. Giant construction contracts are being awarded to campaign contributors at the same time that “buddies” who just happen to be contractors are “helping” Todd build their two-story house. At the same time Sarah ensures there will be no public record of building permits. WTF? How is this different from the Stevens situation?”
KFG,
Just like you all admitted to the lies that Biden told in the last debate?
Something like 20 of them?
Regarding October surprises, does anyone here think Osama bin Ladin is still alive? The last we heard from him was when? Was it 2004?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1538569,00.html
Though certainly not evidence of his demise, bin Ladin being silent for so long, seems very odd to me.
I guess that would be a “no” from Nathan then?
Nathaniel posted October 14, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Just like you all admitted to the lies that Biden told in the last debate?
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Nathaniel’s list from the GOP? like this one?
Nathaniel posted October 3, 2008 at 3:54 pm
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska …
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‘Windfall tax lets Alaska rake in billions from Big Oil‘
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html
“Then last year, Palin introduced a graduated tax pegged to increased oil prices. The state Legislature modified her proposal to increase the state’s take even further.
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The tax is set at its highest rate in Prudhoe Bay, where the state takes 25 percent of the net profit of a barrel when its price is at or below $52.
The percentage then escalates as oil prices rise over that benchmark. Alaska gets about $49 of a $120 barrel, not counting other fees.”
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http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/02/news/economy/palin_oil/?postversion=2008100316
“In late 2007 Palin succeeded in raising the tax on oil companies from 22.5 to 25% of net profits. Alaska also added a clause increasing the tax for each dollar oil goes above $52 a barrel – essentially, a windfall profits tax.
Nathaniel
Posted October 14, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
Better yet….
“Shouldn’t we be talking about the Economy…?”
Yes, Nathan,
We love it when your candidate talks about the economy. He digs himself a deeper hole each time he talks about it.
“a day late and 101 million middle-class families short.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/obama-slams-mccains-econo_n_134461.html
So I guess that would be a ‘no’ then Kltpzyxm?
Steven,
Is that the only publication you liberals read?
Must have been a tough day for Obama when the Market went up almost 1000 points.
The only thing you liberals have to run on is doom and gloom.
Sarah “ethics reformer(sic)” Palin’s blatant LIE is also puzzling.
Does she actually (falsely) believe that the investigation cleared her of “any hint of any kind of unethical activity”?
Or does she think that she can just LIE about the findings, and deceive voters?
“Nathaniel
Posted October 14, 2008 at 2:02 pm | Permalink
Steven,
Must have been a tough day for Obama when the Market went up almost 1000 points.”
I will acknowledge that it was for me. The reason? Because the market was still DOWN 5000 points for the TTM.
Interesting, sebelius has a 62% favorable rating in ks., and palin is down to 68% alaska.
“Gov. Kathleen Sebelius currently enjoys a 62% approval rating in her state. She has not had an approval rating under 60% since April 2006
Palin approval rating drops in Alaska
68 PERCENT: Latest poll shows percentage drop from the 80s.
I don’t think anyone was breaking out the champagne yesterday, back down a couple hundred points today.
Does she actually (falsely) believe that the investigation cleared her of “any hint of any kind of unethical activity”?
Maybe she’s just not capable of grasping what the report said.
“The only thing you liberals have to run on is doom and gloom.”
Well, there seems to be plenty of it these days.
The economy is in the tank, many hard working Americans are losing their pensions because of corporate greed, most Americans can’t afford to get sick, the cost of food has skyrocketed along with the cost of gas, there aren’t enough jobs because corporations have sold out, we’re still at war, our allies hate us, Iran is developing nuclear weapons, bin Laden is still at large, crime rates are rising, and too many Americans are stupid enough to think Sara Palin would make a good president. Yes, I’d say things are pretty grim right now.
But don’t you worry about a thing, Nathan..
“I don’t care if it rains or freezes, ‘long as I have my plastic Jesus..”
“Or does she think that she can just LIE about the findings, and deceive voters?”
Obviously so…she lied about refusing the money for the bridge to nowhere and firing the local librarian. I mean, she’s not even subtle about her lies, because the facts can be easily checked out.
She just flat out lied.
RAWHIDE!!!
Palin’ Palin’ Palin’
Keep movin’, movin’, movin’,
Though they’re disapprovin’,
Keep them doggies movin’ Rawhide!
Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just rope and throw and grab ‘em,
Soon we’ll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart’s calculatin’
My true love will be waitin’, be waiting at the end of my ride.
Move ‘em on, head ‘em up,
Head ‘em up, move ‘em out,
Move ‘em on, head ‘em out Rawhide!
Set ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Ride ‘em in, let ‘em out,
Cut ‘em out, ride ‘em in Rawhide.
Palin’, Palin’, Palin’
Palin’, Palin’, Palin’
Palin’, Palin’, Palin’
Palin’, Palin’, Palin’
Rawhide!
Palin’, Palin’, Palin’
Though the streams are swollen
Keep them dogies Palin’
Rawhide!
Rain and wind and weather
Hell-bent for leather
Wishin’ my gal was by my side.
All the things I’m missin’,
Good vittles, love, and kissin’,
Are waiting at the end of my ride
CHORUS
Move ‘em on, head ‘em up
Head ‘em up, move ‘em on
Move ‘em on, head ‘em up
Rawhide
Count ‘em out, ride ‘em in,
Ride ‘em in, count ‘em out,
Count ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Rawhide!
Keep movin’, movin’, movin’
Though they’re disapprovin’
Keep them dogies movin’
Rawhide!
Don’t try to understand ‘em
Just rope, throw, and brand ‘em
Soon we’ll be living high and wide.
My hearts calculatin’
My true love will be waitin’,
Be waitin’ at the end of my ride.
Rawhide!
Rawhide!
You’re right, Max…she is a cow. A lying cow.
Speaking of cow…I’m off to make beef stew for dinner tonight and throw some logs in the fireplace for the first time this season…I LOVE this time of year!
WHAT?
MARY! YOU ARE CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING!
FIREPLACE!
EATING BEEF!
OH MY GOD, WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!
Cow Mary?
I thought she was a pig wearing lipstick?
No, that’s right, those were Obama’s sexist woman-hating words.
MaxGrobnik posted October 14, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Cow Mary?
I thought she was a pig wearing lipstick?
No, that’s right, those were Obama’s sexist woman-hating words.
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Poor MaxGrobnik is confused.
‘John McCain likes “Lipstick on a Pig” references too’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8IhMMhe8w
‘Why all of this Obama-McCain ‘lipstick on a pig’ noise is hogwash’
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2008/09/barack-obama-sa.html
Phantom
Posted October 14, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
Obama should invite Ayers into the audience, then he could address Mccain/Palin smears against Obama, and explain their acquaintance.
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Oh if he only would. I could think of no better scenario. He could tell the world with his own lips that he is sorry he didn’t do more when he bombed the Pentagon, and The Capital and the NY Police Dept and the home of a federal judge. Yes, oh yes bring Ayers to the debate.
Governor Palin seems to have several problems with ethical behavior.
Some examples:
_She pummeled opponents for giving oil companies and other businesses too much control of state government. Yet she appointed the founder of an engineering firm that received $6.8 million in state business as head of the transportation department.
_She has accepted dozens of gifts worth tens of thousands of dollars since taking office, including two free trips last year that she failed to report on disclosure forms, despite criticizing state legislators for the gifts they take.
_She is under another investigation, accused of misusing her office to campaign against a voter referendum calling for tighter mining regulations. Her husband, Todd, has accepted free trips from a mining company to look at their proposed new site.
_Another ethics complaint, unresolved, accuses her staff of finding a state job for a friend and campaign contributor.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081014/ap_on_el_pr/palin_state_ethics;_ylt=AkuKiM.bzLr75fKoU67PJ6rCw5R4
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 14, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
RAWHIDE!!!
Palin’ Palin’ Palin’
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Wow, I’m impressed. Did you use that one brain cell you have left to figure that one out? Maybe you could like make records or something.
Look for Palin to start her own radio show next year. She can make millions as the ‘hottie’ Rush.
okobserver,
Do you enjoy lying about Ayer’s said?
Palin used a two-step strategy — or three steps, if you include the distraction re “replacing a cabinet member”.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200810u/troopergate
“Sarah Palin’s response to Friday’s Troopergate report—which found that she had violated Alaska’s Executive Branch Ethics Law in firing Public Safety Commisioner Walter Monegan—has been a brilliant one-two punch of putting on the happy face and throwing down the gauntlet.
Step one is to chirpily deny the obvious: “I’m very, very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing, any hint of any kind of unethical activity there. Very pleased to be cleared of any of that,” she told reporters on Saturday. Step two is a public challenge: “If you read the report you’ll see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about replacing a cabinet member,” she told reporters on the same day. “You gotta read the report.“
I think she’ll land a job with FOX, what with that highly vaulted Journalism degree and all.
Maybe Sarah could team up with Bill O’Reilly. He’s probably dying to use his loofa on her.
Hee hee hee heeeeeee…
“I don’t care if it rains or freezes, ‘long as I have my plastic Jesus..”
HA Mary! Good one.
Except these days, it would be sittin’ on the dashboard of the beatup pickup truck, not the car.
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 14, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink
You’re right, Max…she is a cow. A lying cow.
So Mary, with your great liberal logic and party brains, I guess it is politically correct to call Obama a monkey too?
Obama a monkey, a swinging monkey.
Which racist remark is allowable on the weblog?
Calling Palin a cow?
Or calling Obama a monkey?
Which animals are AOK to associate with our political leaders?
Do you not find them equally disgusting?
Palin our first woman running for office being associated with a cow.
Obama our first black man running for office being associated with a monkey.
Let’s see.
“Palin our first woman running for office”
Ever heard of Geraldine Farraro?
Your swinging monkey, is going to stick his banana to the repubs! You, mccain and palin will be saying “Where is that magnificent ape?”
Obama opens up 14 pt. lead over mccain, 18% more of independents.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081014/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_poll_cbs_2
Todd would kick O’reilly’s butt, if he tried his oufla fantasy on Sarah.
No I had not thought of her. You must be old. er.
Ever heard of Geraldine Farraro?
Or maybe I went to school and learned about it in history class.
Radio wouldn’t be an option for palin, without watching her expressions and gestures (and often even with) people would be scratching their heads and thinking, ‘what the hell is she talking about?’
Geraldine Anne Ferraro (born August 26, 1935) is an attorney and a Democratic politician and a former member of the United States House of Representatives. She was the first female Vice-Presidential candidate representing a major American political party.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Ferraro
She’d never have broken that glass ceiling if she knew someone like palin would be trying to craw through the cracks.
crawl
Obama And Ayers’ Annenberg Failure
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Education: The joint effort between Barack Obama and terrorist William Ayers to “reform” Chicago schools was a flop. After spending $160 million, Chicago’s children were still being left behind.
It was, and some say still is, his only claim to have executive experience qualifying him for high government office. “My experience previous to elected office equips me for the job,” Obama said in a 2000 televised debate during a failed campaign to unseat incumbent Democratic Congressman Bobby Rush.
Of that experience, Obama said: “I have chaired major philanthropic efforts on the city, like the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) that gave $50 million to prompt school-reform efforts throughout the city.” It was an impressive line on anyone’s resume. It was also a flop.
Obama ran the fiscal arm that distributed grants to schools and raised matching funds.
Ayers participated in a second entity known as the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, the operational arm that worked with grant recipients. They met and talked often.
Ayers was more interested in transforming Chicago’s schools into vehicles for socialist revolution than in reading scores. He sought to use Annenberg’s grant to fund his dream of radicalizing both teachers and students. Obama helped him toward that goal, gaining what he thought would be an important credential.
Like most efforts to improve the government monopoly by throwing money at it, the CAC was a failure, and a costly one at that. The grant was conditioned on raising at least twice that amount in matching funds. With the grant, CAC had $160 million to throw at the problem.
The CAC operated in 210 Chicago schools between 1996 and 2001. At the CAC’s conclusion, an evaluation report was prepared and titled, “The Chicago Annenberg Challenge: Successes, Failures, and Lessons for the Future Final Technical Report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project.”
On page 14 of the executive summary we find that “the Challenge had little impact on student outcomes.” On page 15, the report says: “There were no statistically significant differences between Annenberg schools and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain” and that “any improvements were much like those occurring in demographically similar non-Annenberg schools.”
In 1998-99, just 36% of the Annenberg school students in grades three through eight were reading at or above national norms compared with 35% in Chicago schools citywide. In math, the results were similar. Some 43% of Annenberg students were at or above national norms versus 42% for non-Annenberg students.
High school graduation rates for both groups of students were the same at 40%. The Annenberg schools edged out Chicago schools in dropout rates — 35% to 36%. As the report said, there were no signs of improvement that warranted the expenditure of $160 million.
The CAC did not improve the schools, and in some ways made things worse. The executive summary also notes: “Classroom behavior, students’ sense of self-efficacy, and social competence were weaker in 2001 than before the Challenge.”
The report stated: “In 2001, students in Annenberg schools were somewhat less inclined than in 1994 to respect each other, work well together and help each other learn.” Neither student attitudes nor student achievements were aided by Obama’s efforts.
Based on these results, Barack Obama would have trouble getting chosen as a high school principal. Yet he thought they were worthy of promoting him first to congressman and now to the presidency of the United States.
When Obama collected the endorsement of the American Federation of Teachers, he told the teachers that support for alternatives to the education monopoly amounted to “tired rhetoric about vouchers and school choice” even though efforts like the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship, unlike those of the CAC, have produced stunning improvements.
Not being left behind are Obama’s daughters, who attend the private University of Chicago Laboratory Schools. There the tuition ranges from $15,528 for kindergarten to $20,445 for high school. When asked about it during last year’s YouTube debate, Sen. Obama responded that it was “the best option” for his children.
They had a choice Obama would deny others.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308875824685359
Someone recently said something about how Hillary Clinton had cracked the glass ceiling — but Sarah Palin was replacing the cracked ceiling panels with new, solid ones.
“got a link to back up that post, bigotbox?
Or is is from somewhere you are ashamed to post?”
Chicken Farmer, it took Google mere milliseconds to find it.
But sorry I didn’t post the link, I forgot you are to incompetent and/or stupid to be able to do the same.
So much anger, so much hatred, I hope he doesn’t harm his wife and kids.
I forgot you are to incompetent and/or stupid to be able to do the same.
No Box, Farm Girl just hasn’t had a shot of snatch for awhile. Sometimes even lesbians need to get laid. Get’s tough out there in the country with nothing but chickens, ducks, and pigs around.
Not sure which is her personal preference.
“Chicken Farmer, it took Google mere milliseconds to find it.
“But sorry I didn’t post the link, I forgot you are to incompetent and/or stupid to be able to do the same.”
Argument 101: The one who produces the argument or the quotation is obligated to provide the source. the opponent is not obligated to find it for you.
And you can find anyone to say anything on google. The trick is checking the source and vetting the information, something that you, Boxlock, have consistently failed to do. Which is why you are a detriment to the very “side” you think you are representing.
Agnatha,
You somehow exceed even the stupidity of the Chicken Farmer.
Do you fail to realize I am not obligated to do anything here for her ( or whatever) or you, and frankly I don’t give the DimLib posters around here, including you, the respect to offer anything I don’t want to or feel I have time for.
Your opinion has long ago been regulated to the dumpster.
You also fail to comprehend, even after being here awhile, that the ‘Bock-Bock Farmer’ would probably not open a link provided anyway, as she (or whatever) as no interest in enlightening herself (or whatever).
mxyzptlk
Posted October 14, 2008 at 8:47 pm | Permalink
So much anger, so much hatred, I hope he doesn’t harm his wife and kids.
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Wife and kidsd?? I hope they keep him securely locked up in his padded room at night… Who would want such vitriolic anger in circulation among the population….
Maybe he is just ANGRY that ACORN hasnt been around to get his voter registration application filled out…
RoaCH
Posted October 14, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink
I forgot you are to incompetent and/or stupid to be able to do the same.
No Box, Farm Girl just hasn’t had a shot of snatch for awhile. Sometimes even lesbians need to get laid. Get’s tough out there in the country with nothing but chickens, ducks, and pigs around.
Not sure which is her personal preference.
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That is without a doubt one of the more VILE, and BIGOTED statements posted here for quite some time… I do hope it would be the last time?? Or damn close to the last time???
There is NO reason for such a post… Except that you are even more of a friggin BIGOT than I had thought….
Go find you some smoke, and whuski…. Then go lock yourself back in your padded room for the night!!
roach,
“No Box, Farm Girl just hasn’t had a shot of snatch for awhile. Sometimes even lesbians need to get laid. Get’s tough out there in the country with nothing but chickens, ducks, and pigs around.”
I’m willing to bet that Farm gal has been laid, and probably several times, since you have. How would anyone who’s nic is “roach” ever have a chance at a love relationship? Which brings me to the obvious conclusion that our boy “roach” is still a virgin.
Just one more example of the vile hatred and anger that is McCain’s base.
“Agnatha,
“You somehow exceed even the stupidity of the Chicken Farmer.”
Typical, go for the ad hominem. It’s all you have. You certainly are reliably unable to develop and defend a coherent argument. By the way, you calling farmgrrl stupid? Talk about unintentionally hilarious.
“Do you fail to realize I am not obligated to do anything here for her ( or whatever) or you, and frankly I don’t give the DimLib posters around here, including you, the respect to offer anything I don’t want to or feel I have time for.”
The rationale for the above can be condensed into one word: Lazy. You provided the quote, you should identify it. That’s how online debate is done. If you don’t want to bother to identify the source of the quote (and I looked, it looks similar to in content to the initial news story that came out over the wire), you probably shouldn’t take the time to post. More to the point, if you really don’t feel that you have the time to post your link (and I suspect that doing so would have taken up less time than your invective filled response to me), then man up and say so, don’t taunt your opponent to find it herself. That’s just clueless.
“Your opinion has long ago been regulated to the dumpster.
“You also fail to comprehend, even after being here awhile, that the ‘Bock-Bock Farmer’ would probably not open a link provided anyway, as she (or whatever) as no interest in enlightening herself (or whatever).”
More ad hominem, and nothing else.
Do you really think you represent your “side” well with this behavior?
“Just one more example of the vile hatred and anger that is McCain’s base.”
—Mary_Caruso
Oh, is that right Mary….look at the fact, the truth. Many (most ?) Dims are sub-life forms.
SENIORS IN FIST FIGHT OVER VOTE AT NURSING HOME!
Secret Service visits Lufkin woman after ‘death threat’ allegation from an Obama campaign volunteer
(Words twisted by the Democrat volunteer)
Political argument turns ugly in Florida: ‘Slammed head into wall’…
(from the description an ObamaThug)
Ohio Catches Bogus registrant casting vote…
(A Democrat)
ACORN Pays to Sign Up Teenager — 73 Times!
(A Democrat)
‘MICKEY MOUSE’ REGISTERED…
(By ACORN)
CINCINNATI — A federal appeals court has ordered Ohio’s top elections official to set up a system by Friday to verify new voters’ eligibility.
(Brunner, a Democrat, the election offical refused to verify false voter registrations.)
And the list goes on and on, all Democrats, not a single instance of Republican cheating.
All news stories found in seconds on Drudge, Fox or CNN.
Look um up if you doubt, WoodPress doesn’t like multiple links at once.
These Dims, in overwhelming numbers are simply a sub-life form, animal in nature.
Agnatha,
Listen nitwit, if you would read and and be honest instead of simply looking to attack me, you would see most my post DO contain links to references but on those that have several WorkPress will not allow it to come up as a spam filter. Obviously you have never done anything as in depth to require more than a few links or references.
You still fail to grasp that you and Chicken Farmer are not worthy of the time, nor do I care what you think….got it. You are of no consequence.
Dear Lord,
Would you please let Boxlock get some. Maybe he’d post less, if you did. Thankyou, your faithful servant,
KandiNathan
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