So it’s official: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, according to a legislative investigator. “I feel vindicated,” Monegan said. “It sounds like they’ve validated my belief and opinions. And that tells me I’m not totally out in left field.” But because the report does not recommend sanctions or a criminal investigation — and the McCain-Palin campaign already has tarred the inquiry as partisan — it’s still hard to see Troopergate doing much to hurt Palin’s appeal with the GOP base.
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And this is the woman John McCain wants in the Presidency?
Way to go abusing power, Bible Spice.
Objectively speaking, it looks likes like the reason Palin’s camp tried to hijack the release of this report is that SHE KNEW WHAT SHE DID WAS ILLEGAL.
ILLEGAL, let’s repeat that.
Which is illlegal in Alaskan law, who really cares.
The bigger implication here is that it show CLEARLY the results of McCain’s tendency toward reckless impulsiveness.
CONCLUSION: McCain saw a window in which he could score political points for John S McCain — and he jumped, regardless of the consequences to the USA.
Not good for McClain/Palin, no way to dodge this, a bipartisan conslusion of Alaskan lawmakers with major USA implications.
Rhonda writes,
“…it’s still hard to see Troopergate doing much to hurt Palin’s appeal with the GOP base.”
And that’s certainly true. But it effectively sinks her chances at the Presidency, now or in 2012. And thank God. The last thing America needs is another phony, dishonest, grasping, evangelical pseudo-Rube fronting for policies that a majority of Americans reject.
It remains to be seen what kind of a makeover Rove has in mind for Sarah Palin.
ACORN forced her to do it.
It’s ALL the Democrats’ fault.
Barney Frank did it.
Bill Clinton!
Monica!
I figured someone needed to stand in for PaulTheShrillShill!
:)
Pedant,
Indeed: McCain really SCREWED THE MOOSE ON THAT ONE.
(Sorry; couldn’t resist.)
By the way, hats’ off to Rhonda for staying with this story through late on a Friday and posting it here for editorial comment.
Now THAT’s 21st century eJournalism!
From ABC News:
Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired her Public Safety Commissioner this July, a state investigation has concluded.
The Alaska legislature voted to release the 263-page report on the “Troopergate” scandal, a state kerfuffle which has come to haunt Gov. Sarah Palin’s vice presidential bid. The scandal centered around her firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Monegan and others believed Palin fired him because he refused to take action against Mike Wooten, a state trooper under him who had been involved in a messy divorce with Palin’s sister, Molly.
The investigator, Stephen Branchflower, found that Monegan’s refusal to fire Wooten “was not the sole reason” but was “likely a contributing factor” to his firing.
Branchflower also said Palin’s attorney general failed to provide him with e-mails of Palin’s that he had requested as part of the probe.
Palin violated the state Ethics Act, Branchflower found.
“The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Trooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation],” he concluded.
“[Palin] knowingly … permitted [husband] Todd Palin to use the Governor’s office and the resources of the Governor’s office … in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired.”
“it’s still hard to see Troopergate doing much to hurt Palin’s appeal with the GOP base.”
Well of COURSE it won’t hurt her with those….people. She could bite the head off a kitten and they’d cheer that she’s tough!
Let us hope this is the final self inflicted wound that sinks McCain.
What’s sissy boy McCain going to do now?
So, what you’re saying Rhonda, is that they had nothing.
Typical, politically motivated tripe – it resolved nothing and was a waste of Alaska’s tax payer money.
The people of Alaska should investigate those on the board for partisan activity and kick them out of office by petition.
“The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation…
Meaningless, no legal weight – weasel words…
It’s hilariously funny and tragic how mean-spirited people exist in government like the members of the Alaskan Board that convened.
When are the Wingnuts going to start posting? Conspicuous in their absence, they are.
It’s NOTHING….again!!!
“Even so, the report said Palin’s firing in July of former state Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, who had refused to fire Wooten, was a “proper and lawful exercise” of her wide authority to fire department heads for any reason. Monegan contends the governor dismissed him for refusing to fire Wooten,”
“Members of the Legislative Council voted 12-0 to release the report even though there wasn’t agreement on the findings, lawmakers said.
“I don’t think there is a consensus on the conclusions,” said Representative Bill Stoltze.>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aXKt37HYgjK4&refer=home
McCain’s campaign has criticized the probe as partisan because the lawmaker leading it is a Democrat….Oh, surprise surprise…it’s led by a Democrat. And they all don’t agree with it but decided to release it anyway. We who’d a thunk they would come up with anything else.
bth
Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
ACORN forced her to do it.
It’s ALL the Democrats’ fault.
Barney Frank did it.
Bill Clinton!
Monica!
I figured someone needed to stand in for PaulTheShrillShill!
:)
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Now that’s funny I dont care who you are,that’s funny
Just shows her true character…obviously lets the power go to her head and she thinks she’s above the law. The last thing we need is another politican like her in Washington. Plus the fact that she lied about the whole incident.
Just like she lied about firing the local librarian and refusing the money for the “bridge to nowhere”.
Reg==TEN Republicans 4 Democrats found that your girl violated the law.
Perhaps McCain will ditch her as fast as he ditched his first wife when she was “spoiled”. Let’s see who will run with him now?
Pawlenty? Nah. Romney? Nah. Huckabee? Nah. How ’bout sisy boy Lieberman, McCain’s butt buddy?
Yeah. That’s the ticket! McCain/Lieberman!
Of course the Christian right will NEVER elect a Jew (but they aren’t antisemitic, it’s the issues).
This should put an end to votes from anyone other than the faithful who don’t give a rat’s patootie who the candidate is as long as the name has an “R” behind it.
Once again, let’s reflect on the first presidential decision McCain made. The one where he couldn’t even do the proper vetting but needed that Hail Mary so badly he didn’t think about America, he didn’t think about anything except himself and his ambition. Then let’s reflect on the decision Governor Palin made. The one where she didn’t give a hoot about anything but her ambition.
LOL
What’s really hilarious is the damage that choosing to blame the Alaskan panel instead of blaming Palin herself will do to fair-minded Americans.
This is like coffin nail # 311,234,455 in the McCain/Palin ticket.
(The best part is the damage that’s being done by their ’supporters’ in McCain’s name!)
Oh, and Mary, what would you do if this ‘Trooper’ threatened your parents with a gun if they even helped their daughter hire a lawyer?
He should have been fired and then jailed but his union kept that from happening like all ‘good unions’, sarcasm off.
Mary Caruso,
The thought of Sarah Palin with Federal Executive Power is too frightening to consider.
Boxlock,
Your hysterical attempts at a dismissal give away the game: you’re every bit the coward that John McCain is. And I’d venture to say that your judgment is no less impaired.
Sarah Palin: from “game changer” to “game ender.” But there’s more to come: after all, “she’s only been at this five weeks.”
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
And for entertainment, Regular will flail his arms wildly trying to defend McCain’s VP choice, and attack the bi-partisan panel.
With this, some of our con bloggers will shed their final, tenuous claim on credibility.
It was already too late for Franklin, Regular, and Boxlock.
Boxlock
Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink
It’s NOTHING….again!!!
“Even so, the report said Palin’s firing in July of former state Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, who had refused to fire Wooten, was a “proper and lawful exercise” of her wide authority to fire department heads for any reason. Monegan contends the governor dismissed him for refusing to fire Wooten,”
“Members of the Legislative Council voted 12-0 to release the report even though there wasn’t agreement on the findings, lawmakers said.
“I don’t think there is a consensus on the conclusions,” said Representative Bill Stoltze.>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aXKt37HYgjK4&refer=home
McCain’s campaign has criticized the probe as partisan because the lawmaker leading it is a Democrat….Oh, surprise surprise…it’s led by a Democrat. And they all don’t agree with it but decided to release it anyway. We who’d a thunk they would come up with anything else.
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This is like free VOTE OBAMA PR!
Hi Freebird – how’re things going? The grandkid?
I have three here tonight.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:50 pm | Permalink
Reg==TEN Republicans 4 Democrats found that your girl violated the law.
Perhaps McCain will ditch her as fast as he ditched his first wife when she was “spoiled”. Let’s see who will run with him now?
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Palin stated she didn’t not interfere and as it turns out, that’s exactly what happened.
That is, there was no interference by Palin in the process.
So you believe the weasel words:
“The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation…
…actually means something?
Depends on what the meaning “is” is, doesn’t it?
(chortles)
Boxlock,
Thanks for putting your respect for the impartial administration of law and transparent government front and center. Practice vigilante justice and blood feuds much, Boxlock?
mxyzptlk,
“About the issues.” Man, you’re KILLIN’ me.
Oh, and Mary, what would you do if this ‘Trooper’ threatened your parents with a gun if they even helped their daughter hire a lawyer?
Funny that someone under such dire threat of life would let go almost all of her and her family’s security detail. Maybe, just maybe she was lying all along.
Where this will matter – the undecideds. Just a little ‘nudge’ off center to vote for Obama.
Let’s see the pit bull chew on this for a while!
Who will file charges? What are the procedures from here? Is it possible an independent investigation finds she broke the law and that’s the end of it?
2FCK’d,
Haven’t you learned yet? Obviously not!
I could care absolutely no less what you say or think.
This was another damn Democrat partisan attempt to slander someone in a typical lying Democrat way.
It’s another nothing from people that grasp at nothing.
The nearly 300-page report does not recommend sanctions or a criminal investigation.
So this is a “shake the finger report?”
Weasel decision -
Inaction means action?
hahahaha!
rofl!
The first squirm from the Moose-Dresser’s lawyer THomas Van Flein –
“In order to violate the ethics law, there has to be some personal gain, usually financial. Mr. Branchflower has failed to identify any financial gain.”
Uh, no.
The statute says “any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that (public) trust.”
An ethics violation is a violation of Alaskan law that could lead to censure or impeachment. It’s up to the Legislature now.
Pedant,
Read the link to the article brain dead.
It clearly states she had the power of office to fire him for any reason and threatening one’s parents with a gun is not law enforcement material and the guy with the job didn’t do it. As well as being insubordinate in other ways as well.
It’s noting….again, which is all you guys ever put up.
British coverage,
‘Body blow for McCain as Palin found to have abused powers‘
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/11/uselections2008-johnmccain2
“John McCain’s election campaign last night suffered the body blow which Republicans had been bracing themselves for when his vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, was found to have abused her powers in pursuit of a personal feud with her former brother-in-law.
At the end of the 10-week investigation into the so-called Troopergate affair, Palin was found to have breached the ethics rules which govern her conduct as governor of Alaska. The findings, delivered by an investigator who had been hired by the Alaskan state legislature before she was picked as McCain’s running mate, are certain to lead to questions over his judgment, and to queries and challenges as to her suitability for national office.
…
Palin will probably not face impeachment proceedings, with both local Democrats and Repubicans saying they have little appetite for such a move.
With McCain struggling to overtake Barack Obama in the polls, however, and less than four weeks before the election, the report’s findings could barely have been worse for the Republicans.”
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:58 pm | Permalink
An ethics violation is a violation of Alaskan law that could lead to censure or impeachment. It’s up to the Legislature now.
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Kltpzyxm believes that doing nothing, by not getting involved in the process is not part of the rights and privileges of a Governor.
There will be no sanctions.
“Is it possible an independent investigation finds she broke the law and that’s the end of it?”
Probably. I think she owns the AG in Alaska. Kind of like Bush …
She violated her oath of office. An ethics violation is a criminal offense.
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink
The nearly 300-page report does not recommend sanctions or a criminal investigation.
So this is a “shake the finger report?”
Weasel decision -
Inaction means action?
hahahaha!
rofl!
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TRANSLATION: Ignore this, even though its result has been tagged as ‘important’ by both parties since at least Sept*08.
LOL
Yeah, baby MORE MORE MORE!
From my favorite Alaskan blogger. And, at her site you can read every word of the part of the investigation that was released to the public.
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The Release of the Branchflower Report.
10 10 2008
It was a long long day in the halls of the Legislature. What many thought would be a couple hours of waiting turned into an eight hour day. The hallway outside the conference room was jammed with media, ABC, BBC, CNN, NPR, the whole alphabet soup. There were bloggers and journalists, camera crews and members of the legislature, Palin folks and Alaskans for Truth – all staring at the clock, and each other, and waiting for any crumb of news.
Outside the building, standing in the rain, were about 40 Palin supporters with signs saying, “We love our Gov.” and “We are proud of you.”
Every once in a while a legislator would pop out of the room and say, “It’ll be another hour or so,” and back they would go. Eyeballs pressed against the venetian blinds could see through the little string holes that Stephen Branchflower was talking, going through the report page by page.
There were Hollis French sightings, and Bill Weilechowski sightings. Les Gara was there, as was Fred Dyson (one of the ‘gang of six’ who filed the lawsuit to stop the subpoenas). Palin’s spokesman Bill McAllister paced the halls. Shannyn Moore and Eddie Burke exchanged a brief hello. It was like a big melting pot of the Alaska political and media world in one little hallway…..all. day. long.
The Palin supporters headed over for coffee at a local coffee shop, and after the coffee was made, they found out it was a “liberal” coffee shop and took off without paying, leaving the coffee behind.
Finally, late in the afternoon, the doors opened and the 50+ members of the media flooded in to the room.
A roll call revealed that 12 of the 14 members of the Legislative Council were present. The two missing members were Rep. Samuels, and Rep. Wilken (known to Mudflatters as Rep. “I don’t care what the rest of the country thinks. Move to Alaska and then you can lobby me.”)
Senator Lyda Green made the motion to release the public parts of the report to anyone who asked, and to not release the confidential portion of the report. Rep. Stoltze objected for purpose of discussion.
Discussion followed:
Stevens: The Legislative Council originally voted unanimously, and laid out the rules of the investigation. It was designed to be non-political. He’s sorry it was “taken into the political realm”. Feels it would be a mistake to just read the findings and not the rest of the report. Urges caution, and thinks the report should be read “with a jaundiced eye.”
Stoltze: He had some differences with the report, but thought the process was thorough. Felt the release of the report was a “no brainer.” It utilized public funds, and is a public document. He said he had received hundreds of emails from all over the country urging him to vote to release the report, and was hoping if the report was released he’d be able to get through his inbox again.
Wilson: Felt the report was well done. There is some speculation in it and she doesn’t agree with everything, but feels Branchflower did a good job. The full report is more than 1000 pages. The public will not have all the information.
Coghill: He was pleased with the professionalism displayed by Branchflower. He feels the politicizing has “settled down a bit” and didn’t feel it had an affect on Branchflower’s findings.
Guttenberg: Thanked Hollis French, and Stephen Branchflower. Says to remember that the report is about “a family”. Feels that the legislature has done a good job and has served the public well.
Cowdery: He “can’t fault the Palins for trying to defend their family,” but will vote to release the report.
Elton: Thanked everyone for staying up late, going through the 1300 pages of the report. This was not an easy job. Thanked French and his staff. Thanked his own staff. Thanked Judge Michalski and the Alaska Supreme Court.
By this time it had become pretty apparent that the vote would pass, and sure enough as the list was read, we realized the ruling was unanimous. I have to say I wasn’t expecting that.
And now I’d like to thank all of you who spent time writing to the Legislative Council with your concerns about releasing the report, and passing the information to others. I have no doubt that this was a contributing factor. When Stoltze talked about all the emails he received, you could see the knowing looks on the faces of all those who were there. They knew they had an important decision to make, and they knew that people across the world were watching.
After the vote, there was a mad scramble by the press to grab their homework for the weekend – a big fat 263 page green-covered, spiral-bound report entitled: Report of the Investigation of the Circumstances Surrounding the Termination of Former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan and Potential Abuses of Power and/or Improper Actions by Members of Governor Sarah Palin’s Administration. Volume I – Public Report.
And you yourself may have your very own copy (minus the spiral binding and the green cover)
Just put on some comfy sweats, grab your favorite evening-time beverage, and click HERE
It isn’t often that good people resist political pressure and do the right thing. I’ve seen things like this go the wrong way, time and time again. Today renewed my faith in the political process. I think I’m going to send out one more set of 12 emails saying, “Thank you.”
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
That’s right lindainks55,
That’s the end of it because it’s nothing.
They are going to do nothing because they can do nothing…to try will show how weak it is and that she had the authority.
Travelgate anyone?
Spouse interfering with a government investigation and office? Hillary Clinton ring a bell?
She could have slept with his boss trying to get him to fire her ex-brother-in-law and it wouldn’t have phased the palin faithful.
But the sane people won’t like this.
‘I bet mccain is wishing he’d named Hillary as his v.p., I really do.’
lindainks55,
All your post talks about is the question of therelease of the report….hell, no one is going to vote not to release.
So, if the McCain / Palin ticket loses, she goes back to being governor of Alaska and maybe isn’t as comfortable in that role, or maybe not. And maybe has a more difficult time being reelected (if that is her desire), and maybe not. Boy, politicians sure have it easy, don’t they? Could any of us keep our jobs if we were found to have broken the law while abusing our power?
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
Travelgate anyone?
Spouse interfering with a government investigation and office? Hillary Clinton ring a bell?
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I beat you to it at 8:39pm
McCain can’t ditch Palin. . . she’s gonna be his energy expert.
HANNITY: … Between the two of you, Senator let’s start with you, tell us what do you envision for the governor, as her role?
MCCAIN: Well, first of all she’s probably one of the foremost experts in this nation on energy issues. … And so I think that there’s nobody more qualified to take on our mission of becoming energy independent.
As Sarah so famously said “Hold me accountable!”
Of course that was before she was named v.p. and before they found her guilty of ethics violations.
Her firs act would be to get the non-existent export ban on Alaskan oil removed, who knows where’d she go from there.
I do think Americans have had more than enough of elected officials who feel the law doesn’t pertain to them. This will have an impact on the presidential election. Not with the faithful, but with those who are needed to clinch the election.
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lindainks55
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink
So, if the McCain / Palin ticket loses, she goes back to being governor of Alaska and maybe isn’t as comfortable in that role, or maybe not. And maybe has a more difficult time being reelected (if that is her desire), and maybe not. Boy, politicians sure have it easy, don’t they? Could any of us keep our jobs if we were found to have broken the law while abusing our power?
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Alaska can’t do squat.
Todd Palin is a private citizen and it was his right to pursue every avenue available to seek justice for his threatened sister-in-law and the death threats made by the trooper against his father-in-law.
They ain’t got nothing and it is why the board came out with the weasel statement:
“The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation…
Yeah, hire some attorney to take that to court.
An accusation based on absence of evidence.
ROFL!
Readers should be reminded.
This investigation which concludes that Palin abused her office was started BEFORE McCain tapped her for VP.
In his first most important decision, McCain was incurious to the point of incompetent.
Where is the party of “personal responsibility” here in the judgment of a BIPARTISAN panel of ALASKAN (ie, local) lawmakers?
LOL
Absent at the morals supposedly claimed at the rotten heart of the GOP ca2008, that’s where!
This is not about Hillary Clinton. It’s about John McCains choice for Vice President.
Abuse of the power of her governor’s office.
This is the experience we can count on if she lives at Number One Observatory Circle?
She will drop out.
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bth
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
Travelgate anyone?
Spouse interfering with a government investigation and office? Hillary Clinton ring a bell?
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I beat you to it at 8:39pm
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Naw, I beat you by four minutes. :D
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Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:35 pm | Permalink
DavidB
Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink
The report, which was commissioned and released by a bipartisan state legislative panel made up of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats, said: “The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Troooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation].”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction
What sort of weasel words are those?
Sort of like some other spouse interfering with Government office?
Travelgate anyone? Hillary?
bth,
Great although busy. We landed a new account at work that is going to double our buisness,we hired 15 new people this week. Grandson is great see hi as often as possible. I took him to Woofstock and had a ball. Got to meet Hank and a nice visit with him. Still working my program
From link in header,
“The investigation revealed that Palin’s husband, Todd, has extraordinary access to the governor’s office and her closest advisers. He used that access to try to get trooper Mike Wooten fired, the report found.
Branchflower faulted Sarah Palin for taking no action to stop that. He also noted there is evidence the governor herself participated in the effort.
I don’t admire McCain’s dilemma here.
I LOVE it!!!
THIS is justifiable reason to dump Sarah and make a better choice. Ah but if he does that, the base will want his head on a stake.
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink
Alaska can’t do squat.
Todd Palin is a private citizen and it was his right to pursue every avenue available to seek justice for his threatened sister-in-law and the death threats made by the trooper against his father-in-law.
They ain’t got nothing and it is why the board came out with the weasel statement:
“The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation…
Yeah, hire some attorney to take that to court.
An accusation based on absence of evidence.
ROFL!
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Worth repeatin’!
LOL
Abuse of power means a whole bunch to Americans who are fed up to here with bush / cheney.
But as mentioned earlier today (by avtolle I think) this news MAY supersede the economy for a few days and that in itself is great news for McCain.
And if Palin plays her cards right someday she may shine in national politics again. And just maybe by that time she will be ready for a place in national politics!
Hey, it was only an ETHICS LAW! We don’t need no stinkin’ ethics!
Keep wildly flailing those arms, Regular. . .
Freebird – good to hear my friend. And, regardless of our politics, I think I can say that for Hank too!
ODAT
Whatcha gonna do John McCain?
ALL your news is bad and getting worse.
You COULD move the news by dumping her and starting new.
Ah but there’s that nasty nasty base.
heh HEH!
I wish to personally thank “Regular” and “Boxlock” for taking time out their busy schedules to participate in this thread.
You’re even funnier tonight than usual, flailing around like a chicken with its legs cut off.
And the horrible thing for the rest of the CONs is this is Friday and they won’t figure out a way to deal with this because Rush won’t be back on the air ’til Monday.
Any McCain/Palin supporters willing to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBITY for supporting McCain despite this?!?
Anybody?
Alaska’s attorney general was also found to have “failed to substantially comply with my August 6, 2008 written request to Governor Sarah Palin for information about the case in the form of emails.”
So it shouldn’t be over. I think the attorney general is in for some more grief and Governor Palin isn’t returning to the same situation she left. Even if charges aren’t filed, there will be consequences.
She allowed her hubby to use resources of her office to pressure subordinates of the governor.
Her inaction was the failure to stop the abuse of the power of the governor’s office.
And everybody knows if you cross Governor Sarah, you could lose your job.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:18 pm | Permalink
I wish to personally thank “Regular” and “Boxlock” for taking time out their busy schedules to participate in this thread.
You’re even funnier tonight than usual, flailing around like a chicken with its legs cut off.
And the horrible thing for the rest of the CONs is this is Friday and they won’t figure out a way to deal with this because Rush won’t be back on the air ’til Monday.
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Being as I never listen to Limbaugh, he’ll be using the material I write tonight, instead of the other way around.
The Alaska Board, headed by an Obama supporter came up with a weasel statement that means absolutely nothing, legally, ethically and defies logic.
bth
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink
Freebird – good to hear my friend. And, regardless of our politics, I think I can say that for Hank too!
ODAT
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One thing we do have in common is that we are able to look past the politics and see the person. Sadly some here either can’t or won’t do that. BTW my son is 2months away from becoming a full fledged city firefighter
Cool! (Or should I say hot?)
I wish I could have made it to woofstock to see Hank – need some pointers with my crazy dog.
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink
The Alaska Board, headed by an Obama supporter came up with a weasel statement that means absolutely nothing, legally, ethically and defies logic.
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So the bipartisan Alaskan investigative panel is secretly in the pocket of Obama?
LOL LOL LOL
Too sweet….
Now, there will be a call of some sort to censure or impeach Governor Palin.
She will CONTINUE to bring bad news on John McCain.
Heh, the cons will now go beyond rabid!
From link in header:
“Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute.”
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The bipartisan panel seems to disagree.
Pedant
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink
The Alaska Board, headed by an Obama supporter came up with a weasel statement that means absolutely nothing, legally, ethically and defies logic.
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So the bipartisan Alaskan investigative panel is secretly in the pocket of Obama?
LOL LOL LOL
Too sweet…
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Pedant and duh other Libs in their usual one line detractors.
They ain’t got nothing…
as usual…
Regular, you’re doing a great job of wildly flailing your arms.
LOL
Oh what a weasel we make of others when totally we are a dipsh*t….
LOL
This is going to hurt. McCain and his pit bull have been trying to steer things away from issues to judgement and values. As i had noted earlier this will tend to negate that for them. Sure, their base will stay with them. But the undecideds? They had been hammered with ACORN etc for months and had not gone to McCain/Pitbull. Now they have something to push them the other way.
You are seeing the Bush Doctrine in action. If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists.
Even if you’re a bi-partisan commission.
“The bipartisan panel seems to disagree.”
Yeah that’s the thing.
This isn’t the end of this story. Why it is just the beginning. Todd Palin now must fall under greater scrutiny. And that’s just for starters.
Sarah Palin originally “welcomed” this investigation THEN refused to cooperate. McCain/Palin has leaned on and tried to suppress the investigation.
Candidates for national office attempting to interfere in STATE matters? Like bush did in 2000.
The cons will need ALL their gymnastic skill to negotiate that one!
Boxlock and Regular show their sense of morals tonight. It’s OK so long as you either don’t get caught or if caught nothing to bad happens to you.
Pathetic losers.
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink
They ain’t got nothing…
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LOL
Thanks, I am almost smugly (ok, for you totally smugly :D ) satisfied now that I stuck around here on a beeuyutiful Friday night.
VOTE OBAMA~
I wonder if Todd was under oath and if so did he commit perjury to protect his favorite moose girl?
The grasping at straws is transparent and ridiculous. The 14-member Legislative Council appointed the independent investigator last July.
What’s more Palin and McCain knew this report would show this conclusion. Just think of the money they’ve spent trying to delay the investigation, delay the release of the report. They might have been able to be competitive in Michigan if they had been able to spend the money on the campaign.
And, of course, we always need to remember how poor McCain’s judgment was in his very first presidential decision!
Governor Sarah Palin “Violated the public trust”
Violated the public trust…….
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!
McCain/ Lieberman!!
Americans have had violate the public trust for the past (almost) eight years, we’re not having that any longer!
Poor John McCain… I really feel sorry for him. That Maverick thing just ain’t workin’ in the real world…
The pit bull just got spayed.
She has to bail out and who will John pick up?
DavidB
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Permalink
Governor Sarah Palin “Violated the public trust”
Violated the public trust…
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Yeah?
What trust would that be?
That it was within her legal right as Governor to re-assign the head of the department?
You ain’t got nothing.
McCain’s no maverick, just a reckless gambler.
It’s time for another edition of Monkeyhawk Theatre, with “Regular” appearing in the role of the BLACK KNIGHT –
Scene 4
The black knight
[King Arthur music]
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaaagh!
[King Arthur music]
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaagh!
GREEN KNIGHT:
Ooh!
[King Arthur music]
[music stops]
[stab]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aagh!
GREEN KNIGHT:
Oh!
[King Arthur music]
Ooh! Uuh.
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaaagh!
[clang]
BLACK KNIGHT and GREEN KNIGHT:
Agh!, oh!, etc.
GREEN KNIGHT:
Aaaaaah! Aaaaaaaaah!
[woosh]
[BLACK KNIGHT kills GREEN KNIGHT]
[thud]
[scrape]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Umm!
[clop clop clop]
ARTHUR:
You fight with the strength of many men, Sir Knight.
[pause]
I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
[pause]
I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my court at Camelot.
[pause]
You have proved yourself worthy. Will you join me?
[pause]
You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.
ARTHUR:
I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight, but I must cross this bridge.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Then you shall die.
ARTHUR:
I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside!
BLACK KNIGHT:
I move for no man.
ARTHUR:
So be it!
ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc.
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]
ARTHUR:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT:
‘Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR:
A scratch? Your arm’s off!
BLACK KNIGHT:
No, it isn’t.
ARTHUR:
Well, what’s that, then?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I’ve had worse.
ARTHUR:
You liar!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come on, you pansy!
[clang]
Huyah!
[clang]
Hiyaah!
[clang]
Aaaaaaaah!
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]
ARTHUR:
Victory is mine!
[kneeling]
We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer–
BLACK KNIGHT:
Hah!
[kick]
Come on, then.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Have at you!
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Eh. You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh, had enough, eh?
ARTHUR:
Look, you stupid bastard. You’ve got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Yes, I have.
ARTHUR:
Look!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Just a flesh wound.
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Look, stop that.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Chicken!
[kick]
Chickennn!
ARTHUR:
Look, I’ll have your leg.
[kick]
Right!
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Right. I’ll do you for that!
ARTHUR:
You’ll what?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come here!
ARTHUR:
What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I’m invincible!
ARTHUR:
You’re a looney.
BLACK KNIGHT:
The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh? All right, we’ll call it a draw.
ARTHUR:
Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what’s coming to you. I’ll bite your legs off!
*
“They might have been able to be competitive in Michigan if they had been able to spend the money on the campaign.”
An EXCELLENT point linda.
A lot of Michigan Republicans are gonna pay down ticket for McCain to have wasted time and resources on his very poor choice for a running mate.
Heh, it’s gonna be a late night over at NBC tonight.
The SNL writers will be busy.
I give Palin this. She was honest and right when she said she would keep Tina Fey busy!
Lieberman.. of course
But they already released a response that the investigation was a partisan hatchet job….
Gawd, now what?
LOL
Still laughing here.
What a great night this has been, thanks mucho dipsh*t!
I guess it just goes to prove that even the very best former HAZMAT inspectors can run afoul of their famously, famously, totally famous oath to treat others who may possess the odd casual PhD in, say, chemistry, from, say, UCLA, as a possible equal, even the very best former HAZMAT inspectors can unfortunately …. what, I forgot where I was….oh yeah, if you want to find one just find his sister, he’s likely living on the dole in her basement.
LOL
Lieberman WAS Sydney’s first date to the Gala. Now the two sissy boys can go to the Ball together. Sic ‘em Joe, you rat terrier you!
Yeah MonkeyHock,
Monty Python is all you have, because you certainly can’t talk about anything in terms of reality with assigning it a code word or ad hominym or some other cutesy detractor.
MonkeyHock’s attempt to adumbrate anything resembling a human being pale in comparison to his lack of judgment and poor taste in discussion.
Don’t know if anyone noted this earlier, but a judge also ordered all official emails to be preserved–including those sitting inactively in the two Yahoo accounts.
So in an odd way, that dumb kid may have done democracy a favor, since a mass delete is now out of the guv’s reach.
P.S. Regarding the notion that this won’t hurt Palin with the “base”: well, judging by the knuckle-draggers he has showing up at his rallies now, that’s probably true. Anyone catch his abrupt about-face on his ‘terrorist-lovin” opponent when the people he’s been scaring all week reacted as to be expected?
If there’s any good news, it seems McCain may have finally figured out that he can’t change the subject.
It’s the economy, stupid.
As you might expect?
Fox “news” is NOT on this important breaking story.
I just clicked over there and they are showing something about bush.
Damn how desperate the situation IS for the cons when they have to defer to bush?
The report said she violated the public trust.
“Public trust
From Wikipedia
The concept of the public trust relates back to the origins of democratic government and its seminal idea that within the public lies the true power and future of a society; therefore, whatever trust the public places in its officials must be respected.”
P.S. I think Palin should be remembered as the Yahoo governor, using a private account for state business and all, and letting her husband act as if he was on the state payroll.
What a freaking yahoo.
Pedant
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink
LOL
Still laughing here.
What a great night this has been, thanks mucho dipsh*t!
I guess it just goes to prove that even the very best former HAZMAT inspectors can run afoul of their famously, famously, totally famous oath to treat others who may possess the odd casual PhD in, say, chemistry, from, say, UCLA, as a possible equal, even the very best former HAZMAT inspectors can unfortunately …. what, I forgot where I was….oh yeah, if you want to find one just find his sister, he’s likely living on the dole in her basement.
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Ask Ben about having to take HAZMAT classes.
If I would have been licensed in Kansas, more than likely, Ben would have to take classes from me and learn about hazardous materials, how to classify them, how to store them and how to keep a legal inventory.
I’ll bet she’s beating the crap out of Todd for blowing it.
sings Yaaahoooooooooo!
For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides
“The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”
“So in an odd way, that dumb kid may have done democracy a favor,”
Thanks the remind Rage.
Like I said, just the beginning.
That young man should get a Pulitzer prize.
NOW, the story just under the economy will be Governor Sarah Palin and John McCain fighting to stall justice.
Interesting. Rachel Maddow’s show specifically name the ethics law that panel said she violated. Anderson Cooper’s show said she violated no laws (!).
Of course, a completely accurate statement would be that the panel said she violated the law.
P.S. The McCain’s camp’s attempt to blame the report on Obama supporters is so horribly desperate. Sad, really.
lindainks55 posted October 10, 2008 at 9:35 pm
And, of course, we always need to remember how poor McCain’s judgment was in his very first presidential decision!
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And Sarah Palin’s power abuse should cause voters to wonder more about his judgement in selecting cabinet members, and others around him.
Like his odd (also inaccurate) answer in the 2nd debate re a treasury secretary.
MCCAIN: I like Meg Whitman, she knows what it’s like to be out there in the marketplace. She knows how to create jobs. Meg Whitman was CEO of a company that started with 12 people and is now 1.3 million people in America make their living off eBay.
Oh and Pedant, living in Virginia now eh? I have friends who live in Rockbridge and Augusta counties, that can do some checking for me. :)
Regular, I thought you were aghast, appalled, outraged at personal information being the business of someone on the blog? And now you have friends in Virginia who can do some checking for you?
Regular, what do you mean by that post to Pedant about friends who can do some checking for you?
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink
Pedant
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink
LOL
Still laughing here.
What a great night this has been, thanks mucho dipsh*t!
I guess it just goes to prove that even the very best former HAZMAT inspectors can run afoul of their famously, famously, totally famous oath to treat others who may possess the odd casual PhD in, say, chemistry, from, say, UCLA, as a possible equal, even the very best former HAZMAT inspectors can unfortunately …. what, I forgot where I was….oh yeah, if you want to find one just find his sister, he’s likely living on the dole in her basement.
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Ask Ben about having to take HAZMAT classes.
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LOL
Son, you got the whine, is it French cheese you’re wantin’ now?
(is it legal for us Virginians to have so much fun at the expense of so-called Kansans?!?)
Becuase if it ain’t, it SHOULD be.
LOL
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lindainks55
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:56 pm | Permalink
Regular, I thought you were aghast, appalled, outraged at personal information being the business of someone on the blog? And now you have friends in Virginia who can do some checking for you?
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Then why did Pedant post this?
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Pedant
Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink
I guess it just goes to prove that even the very best former HAZMAT inspectors can run afoul of their famously, famously, totally famous oath to treat others who may possess the odd casual PhD in, say, chemistry, from, say, UCLA, as a possible equal, even the very best former HAZMAT inspectors can unfortunately …. what, I forgot where I was….oh yeah, if you want to find one just find his sister, he’s likely living on the dole in her basement.
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I have very powerful relatives. Just look at the two High Schools named just like my surname. One in St. Louis and the other in Virginia.
Linda,
It means that Regular’s arms are getting tired from all the flailing he did upthread.
Who is the REAL Sarah Palin? The one that says she did nothing wrong? Or the one determined to have lied to her citizens when she said that?
You behave like a recalcitrant child, Regular.
DavidB,
And the winner is:
“Or the one determined to have lied to her citizens when she said that?”
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lindainks55
Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:05 pm | Permalink
You behave like a recalcitrant child, Regular.
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So then, you’re justifying your liberal friends bringing up personal issues about my life in this blog?
Hypocrite
Damn, now I am giddy.
But yall got to admit, you know who is a barrel of laughs, untentional as they may be.
Ok, this goes down as plaque #3, plaque#1 already being owned by your favorite whinin’ former HAZMAT inspector, not disqualified of same despite the whinin’ which must surely violate every known rule, such as they are, for former HAZMAT inspectors.
Plaque #3 was pretty sweet, no?
LOL, still laughin’!!
McCain and Palin do fit one another. What do you want them to be? They can do that, whatever it is. What deeply held conviction would you like them to hold? They can do that, whatever it is.
Didn’t McCain say they were soul mates?
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Pedant
Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 pm | Permalink
Damn, now I am giddy.
But yall got to admit, you know who is a barrel of laughs, untentional as they may be.
Ok, this goes down as plaque #3, plaque#1 already being owned by your favorite whinin’ former HAZMAT inspector, not disqualified of same despite the whinin’ which must surely violate every known rule, such as they are, for former HAZMAT inspectors.
Plaque #3 was pretty sweet, no?
LOL, still laughin’!!
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You’ll think funny when your tenure gets revoked.
“Regular” boasts –
“I have very powerful relatives.”
Too bad they don’t.
Q: what is the very first rule for all HAZMAT regulators, former or active?
A: MOVE INTO SISTER’S BASEMENT. IF POSSIBLE.
Q: If you were to identify the code matching closest that of former HAZMAT inspectors, it would be The Hippocratic Oath. T or F
A: It depends, totally, on whether or not I can get Ben’s attention!
LOL
Blueridge justice, got to love it…
:)
Q: If you were confronted by a treasonous liberal American who was in possession of the biparisan news that Sarah Palin had committed illegal acts under Alaska law, even if she were the current VPOTUS, would you do the right thing and whip up some fake connection on Obama? Like, would this be your nature?
A: Only if told to do so! Never!
And this was before the report that Sarah Palin abused power was released.
‘McCain Hunkering Down to Defend Red States:‘
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aPeeY8LYgMVE&refer=us
” John McCain is circling the wagons.
“The Republican presidential candidate, with few prospects in Democratic-leaning states, is struggling to hold on to the states George W. Bush won in 2004.”
Much more at link.
It’s been a couple of hours since the Eagle has started another Palin thread.
Isn’t that an excessively long time?
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blogmonitor
Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:20 pm | Permalink
It’s been a couple of hours since the Eagle has started another Palin thread.
Isn’t that an excessively long time?
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Rhonda even put in some overtime to post a new topic.
No doubt, the WE Blog will be in the tank for Osama Obama tomorrow morning.
“It’s been a couple of hours since the Eagle has started another Palin thread.
Isn’t that an excessively long time?”
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There are only three weeks and three days left until she rides off into the sunset. She’ll head west and go back to that distant state where people know a whole bunch more about her today than they did before she tried out the national stage.
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lindainks55
Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink
“It’s been a couple of hours since the Eagle has started another Palin thread.
Isn’t that an excessively long time?”
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There are only three weeks and three days left until she rides off into the sunset. She’ll head west and go back to that distant state where people know a whole bunch more about her today than they did before she tried out the national stage.
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Didn’t realize Alaska was west of the continental United States.
The WE Blog knows what is important to them. Hits on their web blogs. They can’t make money selling their liberal fish wrap. The McClatchy financial reports reveals the blogs are the newspapers only hope of survival.
Sad really, here all these decent human beings, who unfortunately have been led like sheep into the democrats flock, are suckers for a Sarah thread. It is so obvious they like Palin. Why else give her so much more attention than even their own candidates threads?
CHing!Ching! Ching!Ching! Revenue going up~!
It’s certainly in a westward direction from here!
Reminds me, I got my first Alaska Quarter today.
I wonder if the Feds decided to release it early?
Because they are out of sequence on issuance now.
Alaska should have been one of the last two issued.
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lindainks55
Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink
It’s certainly in a westward direction from here!
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(shakes head)
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:31 pm | Permalink
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lindainks55
Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink
It’s certainly in a westward direction from here!
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(shakes head)
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Unless you’ve never done this before, it don’t help (us).
I swear under the former HAZMAT inspector’s hippocratic oath!!
Palin may want to stay away from Alaska for awhile.
Maybe she can stay at one of McCain’s many houses, and use her Yahoo email account to do her governor business?
Do you think McCain will be able to control his temper when this ends badly? Will he go back to his Senate seat with revenge in mind? Will this end his political career? So many questions. I’ll be patient and it will all be known in time.
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:43 pm | Permalink
So, what you’re saying Rhonda, is that they had nothing.
Typical, politically motivated tripe – it resolved nothing and was a waste of Alaska’s tax payer money.
The people of Alaska should investigate those on the board for partisan activity and kick them out of office by petition.
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This was a bipartisan inquiry with a majority of Republicans. BTW, it was the Republicans that initiated this inquiry. So where is political motivation?
Sarah Palin may have kicked the good old boys out of office when she became governor but sounds like she simply put in her own set of good old boys, including her husband.
And the public has the right to know what Sarah’s emails contained. I noticed that those were never handed over. For Sarah Palin’s life is an open book statement – why is she not letting anyone look at the book?
Palin got caught, McCain knew about this before picking her as VP and now they both look foolish.
“Yet now we are supposed to vote for more conservative Republicans because we learned from the last bunch of conservative Republicans that government just doesn’t work.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122342526024513543.html?mod=rss_The_Tilting_Yard
Priceless, or should I say, Priceful.
It’s going to be interesting when Sarah Palin returns to Alaska after losing the election. I wonder if her popularity will be the highest in the nation? Or will she be a one-term governor?
mom
Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Palin got caught, McCain knew about this before picking her as VP and now they both look foolish.
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Palin got caught doing what?
They (the board) stated she broke no laws and no ethical violations were committed.
Caught at what?
Linda – McCain could always go to work for his wife, but then again they would have to share the same house and she might not like that.
Can you not read or do you just play dumb?
They found that she abused her power. What part of abused her power do you not understand? Just because they did not recommend sanctions or a criminal investigation does not mean neither are warranted.
The Republicans on the inquiry probably pushed for no sanctions or criminal investiation because they have to appear to be loyal to the Grand Old Party.
Like I stated before, the investigator never got Sarah’s emails – why not? For claiming to be a reformer – she must use a different dictionary than the rest of the world.
She got caught – you betcha!
It will be more husband/wife than Cindy/John have grown accustomed to. Cindy stayed in Arizona (or wherever) while John was in DC. They’ve been more like a weekend couple. Wonder how that will work? I hope they make the adjustment, but both will need to work at it. Reminds me of what my Mother told me when she and my Dad retired — “twice the husband on half the income.” Of course, the income part isn’t something the McCain family need worry about!
Sarah and Todd Palin both have repeatedly stated they did nothing – repeat nothing. Now we learn that they did do something. Someone has to be lying and it looks like it is the Beauty Queen from the North.
For the third time, the exact words from the report released today:
For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides
“The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”
I read that McCain’s handlers had to remind him to kiss Cindy when they were out campaigning together. That’s pretty sad, when you think about it, huh? Especially when McCain was obviously so smitten with her when he was courting Cindy while still married to his first wife.
Just like the republicons to look the other way during an abuse of power. Duh.
Pay attention America.
Well, he is old and probably set in his ways. It’s obvious his ambition is more important than anything else — more important that family, more important than America!
Obama abused his power to support ACORN, a fraudulent, criminal activist group that forced risky loans and pushes voter fraud:
http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/acorn1.htm
Years ago when Geraldine Farraro (sp?) was chosen for VP she was similarly not vetted. A lot of the dirt that came to light about her revolved around her husband. That is the danger in picking a total unknown – their dirty laundry will come out – and at the worst possible moment.
But I do have to agree that even this report will not do much harm to Palin with the GOP base that worships Palin.
Of course these are the people that live by their golden rule – do as I say and not as I do.
Franklin – one word of advice – don’t try to use a McCain ad as facts about his opponent – it just doesn’t work!
And you might want to listen to your own candidate about Obama. McCain told his supporters today that Obama is a decent man and no one should be afraid of him.
Words to live by come election day?
mom posted October 10, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Palin got caught, McCain knew about this before picking her as VP and now they both look foolish.
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Or McCain foolishly believed when he picked her that she was innocent of the charges, which makes him foolish twice.
I agree bth – that is what bothers me about this troopergate investigation. Palin’s husband had full access to do what he pleased and no one on her staff told him to shut up? Sounds like Todd was Sarah’s pitbull with lipstick.
You’re so right, mom! There is still an “R” behind McCain’s name and that’s all that matters to his base.
We can’t get over confident! We still have work to do and need to make absolutely sure everyone gets out to vote! It’s too important! America can’t make it through another four years of what we’ve had for the last eight. McCain / Palin could be worse! McCain really wants a war or two or three of his own and has NO economic sense. Palin wants to use the “flexibility” in the Constitution to expand the powers of the VP. She’ll be rewriting the Constitution to make it more like the Bible.
Well, it’s late for me. Good night all.
Paul it must really hurt to contort so much.
You are right BlueJay – McCain putting the Pit bull out front is going to backfire on him. Paul can scream all he wants that ACORN invented CDOs, swaps, McMansions, flipping, etc etc etc all he wants. But when people get their 201k statements this month it’s all over for McCain and the GOP.
Rhonda, How about we look at the actual findings….entire report is here…finding #2 is on page 8 or listed below.
http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/10/10/16/Branchflowerreport.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf
At least read the last sentence of Finding Number Two..
Here they are:
Finding Number One
For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides
The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”
Finding Number Two
I find that, although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.
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What’s more incredible is that Branchflower utterly ignores the public admission made by Walt Monegan himself that ought to have ended this entire inquiry (boldface mine):
“For the record, no one ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff,” Monegan said Friday from Portland. “What they said directly was more along the lines of ‘This isn’t a person that we would want to be representing our state troopers.’”
In other words – she didn’t say ‘fire him’; just ‘make sure he isn’t here tomorrow’
Parsing words pretty finely aren’t we?
Speaking of ACORN, did anyone else see California Rep. Maxine Waters smack down economist Steve Miller on Real Time tonight?
I think the neighbors heard me cheering her…
It’s perfect.
Senator Obama has INVITED McCain to bring lil’ Sarah’s charges to him face to face.
And that is all McCain has.
Old John can bring his charges of radical affiliation. Senator Obama can hit back and ask just why it was John McCain chose a political criminal as a running mate.
This isn’t the end of Troopergate. There’s still a question about one of Palin’s underlings requesting to see information from the Trooper Union that is being looked into.
Linda, do you remember the guy’s name on the taped called to the head of the Union? That tape was also proof of Sarah’s self-serving investigation into her former brother-in-law.
Oh, and for all of you who are hellbent on repeating the “moose killing” story about Wooten, his father-in-law (Sarah’s father) was in on the kill, too.
Correction: economist Steve MOORE.
It’s late, I’m tired, and don’t care if it WAS Steve Miller…and his band. :)
AND Sarah’s dad will not confirm or deny that trooper Wooten threatened his life.
Divorce and child custody are a nasty arena. I’ve been there.
Of course, I did not have a sister who was the Chief Executive of my state as Sarah Palin’s sister did.
Like I said, this is just a beginning.
Sarah Palin got involved through her public office in her sister’s divorce and child custody.
This brings Sarah Palin’s sister into scrutiny as well.
Let us know more about Sarah Palin’s sister. Is she SO unfit a mother that she needed sister Sarah to come to her aid and abuse her office to help her?
mom
Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:10 pm | Permalink
Can you not read or do you just play dumb?
They found that she abused her power.
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Again, what power was abused?
For the decision to not get involved?
Wag the dog…
I see Larry King Live was also parroting the “broke no laws” line. Is it severe ignorance, bias, or just an inability to follow a simple narrative?
Rage —-
The answer to your question is:
All of the Above!!! Hang in there!! Keep in touch!!
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Rage
Posted October 11, 2008 at 2:13 am | Permalink
I see Larry King Live was also parroting the “broke no laws” line. Is it severe ignorance, bias, or just an inability to follow a simple narrative?
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So, explain what laws were broken.
Or can’t you follow a simple narrative? :)
“Regular” goes full “Nathaniel” with –
“…explain what laws were broken.”
Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
Thanks for asking.
“Oh, and for all of you who are hellbent on repeating the “moose killing” story about Wooten, his father-in-law (Sarah’s father) was in on the kill, too.” — predestined”
And then turned him in for it, apparently. How so very Republican.
I remember “regulars” mantra some time back on an official in the bush administraton, anyone else remember that? “They ain’t got nothing”……. How that work out?
Still, Palin’s dismissal of Monegan “was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads,” Branchflower said in the report.
That authority makes it “clear that Governor Palin could fire Commissioner Walt Monegan at will, for almost any reason, or no reason at all.”
Branchflower continued: “There are indications in the record that there was not universal support for Commissioner Monegan among other department heads. Comments in the press linked to the governor suggest there was a feeling within the governor’s office that he was not a team player, and there is evidence that Governor Palin had lost confidence in Mr. Monegan.”
The fourth and final conclusion of the report is that the “Attorney General’s office failed to substantially comply with my August 6, 2008 written request to Governor Sarah Palin for information about the case in the form of emails.”
KTUU.COM (Alaska TV news source)
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So, I ask again, what laws were broken?
This sounds very much like the Justice Department case and Gonazales. No laws were broken and it is well within the rights of President to fire Justice Department attorneys for no reason at all.
A political smear is all this was.
No laws were broken.
“Regular” –
Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 11, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink
“Regular” –
Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
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So, it’s not a law that was broken, it’s a statute, which means all Palin will get at most is a censure from the legislative body. And, that’s only if the majority carries the motion.
There is nothing there for a court at any level to prosecute as no laws were broken, violated or misused.
Again, what laws were broken?
This is nothing but a political hatchet job and it smells of partisanship of the worst kind.
“Regular” –
Monegan’s firing was just the tip of the iceberg.
The report details the extraordinary lengths that Gov. Palin, largely through her husband Todd, went to get her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired because of personal family reasons (namely, his nasty divorce from Palin’s sister). It was this effort, which led to pressure being improperly brought to bear on numerous state employees, that constituted an abuse of power by Palin. As it should be. State employees should not be subject to personal vendettas from elected officials.
While the report also finds that the governor in Alaska has the inherent power to fire her department heads for any reason or for no reason, it concludes that Monegan’s refusal to fire one of his state troopers at the insistence of the governor and her family was a contributing factor in his own firing.
So rather than the firing of Monegan itself being the abuse of power, the wide-ranging effort to retaliate against her sister’s ex-husband, of which Monegan’s firing was merely a part, was the real abuse. Monegan’s firing is evidence of the broader scheme, not the scheme itself.
You’re entering the realm of “a 3rd-rate burglary” rationalization of Watergate, “Regular.”
Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
Choke on it.
Part of the report speaks of someone accessing Wooten’s personal medical records – a felony. Was it Todd? Time will tell.
“Regular” tries –
“So, it’s not a law that was broken, it’s a statute…”
Oh, my…
Did you really say that?
Incredible.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 11, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink
“Regular” tries –
“So, it’s not a law that was broken, it’s a statute…”
Oh, my…
Did you really say that?
Incredible.
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Yeah, a statute that is only invoked by the Alaska legislative body.
It does not fall under the juris prudence of courts, but the legislature.
So, “What laws were broken?”
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 11, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink
“Regular” –
Monegan’s firing was just the tip of the iceberg.
The report details the extraordinary lengths that Gov. Palin, largely through her husband Todd, went to get her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired because of personal family reasons (namely, his nasty divorce from Palin’s sister). It was this effort, which led to pressure being improperly brought to bear on numerous state employees, that constituted an abuse of power by Palin. As it should be. State employees should not be subject to personal vendettas from elected officials.
While the report also finds that the governor in Alaska has the inherent power to fire her department heads for any reason or for no reason, it concludes that Monegan’s refusal to fire one of his state troopers at the insistence of the governor and her family was a contributing factor in his own firing.
So rather than the firing of Monegan itself being the abuse of power, the wide-ranging effort to retaliate against her sister’s ex-husband, of which Monegan’s firing was merely a part, was the real abuse. Monegan’s firing is evidence of the broader scheme, not the scheme itself.
You’re entering the realm of “a 3rd-rate burglary” rationalization of Watergate, “Regular.”
Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
Choke on it.
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So, you’re pointing out Todd Palin and here all along I thought you were talking about Governor Sarah Palin.
Stacking together weasel words and statements doesn’t make it a violation of the law by Governor Sarah Palin.
But do continue on with your arm flailing.
Yep, HOW DARE the Gov. try and get a trooper that was suspended how many times, once for drinking in his patrol vehicle, fired. That the guy thought it was okay to use a Taser on a kid JUST because the kid asked him to. Yep, thats the kind of trooper I would want patroling my state. I hope he comes to Kansas, he seems like a good trooper to have on the roads.
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Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink
This is nothing but a political hatchet job and it smells of partisanship of the worst kind.
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10 republicans and 4 Democrats.
Yup, a political hatchet job.
“Officer, I wasn’t speeding in my ‘vehicle,’ I was speeding in my ‘car,’ so you can’t give me a ticket.”
Try that next time you’re pulled over, “Regular.”
“Regular” tries the “It’s all Todd’s fault” defense.
Will the Moose-Dresser throw him under the
bussnow machine?It’s official now. If it affects a Republican darling, it is not the law, it is a partisan hatchet job.
Oh, yes. Not even a law! It’s only a STAUTUE!
It’s only a little abuse of power.
Give her more power? I think not.
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XXX
Posted October 11, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink
10 republicans and 4 Democrats.
Yup, a political hatchet job.
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Irrelevant. Governor Palin has said many times she interrupted the ‘good old boy network’ in Alaska politics. There were plenty of axes to grind from both parties.
The arm flailing continues from the left, when they ain’t got nothing.
Regular is probably right.
It was Palin’s husband using the resources of the governor’s office. What could the poor powerless little lady to about that?
Not her fault at all.
She is not responsible.
She saw the abuse going on – pressuring subordinates – but she did nothing.
That’s what we want in a leader. Someone who ignores abuse.
It’s worked for eight years!
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DavidB
Posted October 11, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink
Regular is probably right.
It was Palin’s husband using the resources of the governor’s office. What could the poor powerless little lady to about that?
Not her fault at all.
She is not responsible.
She saw the abuse going on – pressuring subordinates – but she did nothing.
That’s what we want in a leader. Someone who ignores abuse.
It’s worked for eight years!
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Oh, you mean like Hillary Clinton with travelgate?
This is about Gov Palin and McCain. Not Senator Clinton. We do not vote for the New York Senator.
Just like Watergate was not about the burglary, this is not about the firing of a bad trooper.
This is about the power of the office entrusted to Palin was misused.
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DavidB
Posted October 11, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink
Just like Watergate was not about the burglary, this is not about the firing of a bad trooper.
This is about the power of the office entrusted to Palin was misused.
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So, what laws were broken?
LOL
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_statute_and_a_law
What is the difference between a statute and a law?
In: Laws and Regulations
The legislative branch enacts statutes and they are found in statute books. The judicial branch interprets statutes, on appeal, and the interpretations become “case law”. Case law can be found in the appellate court’s case books, called “Reports.” People are required to obey both statutory and case law as they are the laws of the jurisdiction in which they are enacted and interpreted.
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In other words, statute= law, which implies of course that breaking a stature is the same as breaking a law.
Holy moly, the arrogance displayed in certain Palin supporters.
Also, I must confess that I’m dumfounded here that the famous hippocratic oath of former HAZMAT inspectors let you know down so badly here. One would like to have more faith in former HAZMAT inspectors who are playacting as lawyers, and all I can say is that they need to work on that oath.
Ok, back to reality. Like DavidB said above: so based on this finding we need to give her more, including Federal, power?
I think not, too.
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Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 9:57 am | Permalink
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DavidB
Posted October 11, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink
Just like Watergate was not about the burglary, this is not about the firing of a bad trooper.
This is about the power of the office entrusted to Palin was misused.
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So, what laws were broken?
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What was Ayres ever convicted of, for that matter? Funny how that works out.
LOL
Still laughing here.
The other day Franklin jumped the shark with PAULSON IS A DEMOCRAT!
(I’m also still laughing over that one)
Now you know who jumps the shark with “a statute is not a law!”
So I guess we can assume Hillary’s Travelgate involvement is now forgiven?
So Pedant,
What laws were broken?
Look above.
I think the GOP has a potential liability suit a couple McCain/Palin supporters here, heh.
They’re putting such a premium on extreme logical gyrations necessary to keeping faith in the party that at least two of their supporters have apparently suffered terminal whiplash as a result!
I am still cracking up, this has just been TOO FUNNY.
LOL
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Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink
So Pedant,
What laws were broken?
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Pedant
Posted October 11, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink
Look above.
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You are not answering the question.
What laws were broken?
Look above, dipsh*t.
Better?
The Palin report contradicts ITSELF! And this self-contradiction is evidence the investigation was purely partisan.
1. Palin abused her power.
2. Palin’s firing of Monegan was proper and legal.
Ok, so which is it?
This is purely a screwed-up Partisan ‘investigative’ report.
Maybe it’s a semantics game. Ask what statute was broken.
I guess if Governor Sebelius were found guilty of abusing power by a bi-partisan commission, we’d be hearing cries of “What laws were broken?”
Don’t let the guy get your panties in a wad. The Alaska Commission has ruled.
No need to reply to questions to which no answer will be accepted. This is a tiresome game someone likes to play.
He’ only looking for an opening to launch a personal attack. the l’il rascal!!!
See that’s the thing.
She could have simply fired him, apparently. So why all the hounding of subordinates? Why all the bullying? Wy let hubby throw his weight around as if he were an official of some kind?
It smells of bad judgement and poor executive skills.
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 11, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink
This is purely a screwed-up Partisan ‘investigative’ report.
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Here’s the problem your conclusion hands the McCain/Palin ticket.
I think I can assume that you believe this finding does not disqualify Palin as a worthy VPOTUS?
If not, then it cuts off AT THE KNEES the McCain/Palin supporters who argue that Obama’s past associations are relevant to next month’s election.
If this bipartisan commission’s findings against Palin can be dismissed as partisan, then why in the world should an independent voter take seriously charges by your side that Obama’s ties with Ayers and Wright (legal ties, I might add)?
If this can be dismissed as merely partisan, then so can the “charges” being levelled against Obama of consorting with terrorists.
In other words, it’s ALL partisan.
In other words, if McCain and Palin want us to take seriously their claims about Obama’s poor character, if they want us to let that idea even cross our mental threshold, then they MUST deal with Palin first.
This, by the way, is what comes of impulsive decision making by John McCain. He needed a bump in the polls, he let Steve Schmidt talk him into using his VPOTUS pick to do that — but there was no time to do a proper vetting — and boom this lands in his lap.
This is a HUGE problem for McCain.
I think McCain is doing an exceptional job! His first presidential decision, his negative campaigning, his lack of ideas or even experience with economics, his desire to have a war or two or three of his very own are all brilliant strategies!
Have you seen the polls?
I once thought bush was the best ambassador the Democratic Party could ever have. I see McCain is following bush policies in this too!
;-)
The concluding paragraphs of this piece sum up Troopergate well. Our opinions were formed long ago, this won’t change them.
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Analysis: Sarah Palin inquiry will reinforce voters’ existing prejudices
Ed Rollins, the architect of Ronald Reagan’s 1984 election landslide victory, who clashed with Nancy Reagan during his White House years, said: “Can she control her husband? Listen, I have worked for a lot of presidents, and they didn’t control the first ladies.”
But his conclusions seem apt: “Is it a stupid thing, and, in hindsight, should she probably not have done it? You betcha. It’s not going to affect this campaign. It will be a day or two distraction. We’re back on the economy again on Monday and we’re back on a debate in the middle of the week.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3178568/Analysis-Sarah-Palin-inquiry-will-reinforce-voters-existing-prejudices.html
No, they can make this work for them.
Try this on for size:
This Alaska investigation and condemnation is a reaction to her being a maverick.
Old-style good-old-boy politicians who are striking out at the maverick.
That take on it doesn’t disrupt the fictional narrative….
All that said, I would add this.
Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that Obama’s relationships with Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright are indeed warning signs of the kind of personal character that would ill serve the USA if Obama becomes president.
By the way, as an American voter you bet your bupkus that I’m reading those on the right who are more firmly rooted in reality (like Krauthammer) on this issue (and personally I believe that McCain could force a discussion about Obama’s character but ONLY IF he wouldn’t lead that discussion up front with charging Obama’s a terrorist, like first thing out of their mouths…puhleaze, let’s start at the beginning, ok Sarah?) but please play along with me here.
If that’s true, and McCain does not deal with Palin now, then isn’t this just another case of our national leaders letting us down once again? Wouldn’t McCain’s refusal to do the right thing, in order to help America SEE MORE CLEARLY THE BETTER CANDIDATE, wouldn’t this too constitute poor leadership?
I think it would.
Many have said this close election may come down to “the ground game.” That’s political speak for organization.
If McCain had been organized he might have done proper vetting on his running mate, he might have had a rational discussion about Obama, he might have consulted the greatest experts on economics, he might have done many things differently or better.
But he didn’t. I see these failures as an indicator of the administration he would run. Gut decisions made without due diligence aren’t those of a leader.
I’ll go with well thought-out decisions, steady, organized, inspirational leadership.
DavidB
Posted October 11, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink
No, they can make this work for them.
Try this on for size:
This Alaska investigation and condemnation is a reaction to her being a maverick.
Old-style good-old-boy politicians who are striking out at the maverick.
That take on it doesn’t disrupt the fictional narrative….
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Yeah, I think that would work for ‘em in that it doesn’t blow up the ticket altogether.
Still, it won’t lead independent voters to open up their minds to yet another discussion of Obama’s personal and political relationships. That discussion, marshalled so that the American public concludes that Obama is unfit for office, THAT’s the key to their winning now, with only a month to go.
So yeah, Sarah the Maverick won’t blow them up, but it won’t win it, either. (imo)
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Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink
So Pedant,
What laws were broken?
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Pedant
Posted October 11, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink
Look above.
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You are not answering the question.
What laws were broken?
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Yo, reg, what was Ayres convicted of? Samo-samo, what?
JMWalker
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink
“Yo, reg, what was Ayres convicted of? Samo-samo, what?”
You know the answer JMWalker. No he was not.
But he admits to committing over sixty bombings and terrorist acts in his own book. He has publicly stated on more than one occassion that he should have BOMBED MORE.
The judge who tried the case (a bleeding heart liberal) has even stated that the case could have been won – had the government not screwed up the prosecution!
So are you going to be the only human being who does not condemn the maiming, wounding, injury, and permanent emotional effects of Ayers admitted criminal acts intended to KILL?
Walker, sometimes you are an idiot.
Call the waaaaambulance for AmWay, I think he broke a wing!
Can you get any more shill and juvenile mxyzptik?
mom
I will use whatever I want.
As for me posting McCain adverstising here:
McCain has been SO carefull, in any attacks against Obama, that you can be SURE it is well documented, when McCain brings it up!
It is TRUE, Obama supports lawsuits and civil disobedience against lenders that don’t make risky loans to poor people.
Obama supports an organization deeply involved in voter fraud.
Heh!
McLame is speaking right now.
Neat trick he has to pull lately.
HE has to shout down his own supporters!
Having driven the dregs of humanity to the point of rabid hysteria, he has to tell them to dial it back.
xxx
The Republicans on the commmittee make clear that they do NOT all agree with everything in this report.
Bottom line? Nobody says that any laws were broken.
American_Way
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink
JMWalker
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink
“Yo, reg, what was Ayres convicted of? Samo-samo, what?”
You know the answer JMWalker. No he was not.
But he admits to committing over sixty bombings and terrorist acts in his own book. He has publicly stated on more than one occassion that he should have BOMBED MORE.
The judge who tried the case (a bleeding heart liberal) has even stated that the case could have been won – had the government not screwed up the prosecution!
So are you going to be the only human being who does not condemn the maiming, wounding, injury, and permanent emotional effects of Ayers admitted criminal acts intended to KILL?
Walker, sometimes you are an idiot.
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This is an example of the wild-eyed, cart-before-the-horse “Obama isn’t fit to be president because he’s a terrorist!” that causes thinking independents to just skim right over.
For example, where did Walker ever refuse to condemn Ayers’ acts? Saying that “the case could have been won” implies “Ayers was guilty” is also nonsensical. I mean, so what? The only way this carries any weight is if YOU’RE ALREADY CONVINCED THAT OBAMA IS UNFIT. Again, for independents that’s putting the cart before the horse.
I understand that your side feels that a month isn’t enough time to develop a whole new winning narrative for McCain, but this kind of crap ain’t helping.
“I will use whatever I want.”
BELIEVE that!
Google “Paul Rosell”+”children”+”street”
“Regular” –
Your repeated “What law was broken?” mantra reminds me of a three-year-old’s constant “Why?” questions.
But at least three-year-olds are cute.
BJ
You should no better.
I never was in a criminal court at all.
There can NEVER be a “time certain sentence” on a CIVIL contempt.
I WON my case, on appeal, and reversed Judge Kelly’s ruling.
Dr. Tillers attorney filed a motion in the 10th Circuit court of appeals that I had committed no crimes.
You are a moron, JR/BJ. A moron and a thug. This has been explained to you several times.
It may well be time for legal action.
Say Regular,
It may be an appropriate time to expose JR now.
“Franklin” –
Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
And Chas.
BJ
You should know better.
I never was in a criminal court at all.
There can NEVER be a “time certain sentence” on a CIVIL contempt.
I WON my case, on appeal, and reversed Judge Kelly’s ruling.
Dr. Tillers attorney filed a motion in the 10th Circuit court of appeals that I had committed no crimes.
You are a moron, JR/BJ. A moron and a thug. This has been explained to you several times.
It may well be time for legal action.
The only way mccain can win is if one of his RW nuts takes Obama out of the race, but then will he share in the culpability?
BJ
You know that the stuff you are finding, on the internet, is false.
You have a legal duty not to repeat falsehood as truth.
Talk to an attorney on that point, since I am sure you will have trouble with such concepts.
I am tired of your garbage.
To knowingly repeat a falsehood is libel or slander.
It DOES NOT MATTER where you heard it.
You know that your attacks against me are false, and you continue, anyway.
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American_Way
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink
JMWalker
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink
“Yo, reg, what was Ayres convicted of? Samo-samo, what?”
You know the answer JMWalker. No he was not.
But he admits to committing over sixty bombings and terrorist acts in his own book. He has publicly stated on more than one occassion that he should have BOMBED MORE.
The judge who tried the case (a bleeding heart liberal) has even stated that the case could have been won – had the government not screwed up the prosecution!
So are you going to be the only human being who does not condemn the maiming, wounding, injury, and permanent emotional effects of Ayers admitted criminal acts intended to KILL?
Walker, sometimes you are an idiot.
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amway, I do condemn everything the group Ayers belonged to did. However, in this country, a man is innocent until proven guilty. What the judge thought about whether or not he would have been convicted is a moot point, isn’t it? He wasn’t tried, let alone convicted. If he killed someone in one of his acts, THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON killing someone during the commission of a crime!
Since he was never tried, there was no verdict, therefore, he could still be tried for murder. Why hasn’t the government followed through and tried him for murder? Perhaps amway would have this country change it’s laws to read a person is guilty until proven innocent. And you call me an idiot?
And reg still hasn’t answered the question.
Franklin
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink
BJ
You know that the stuff you are finding, on the internet, is false.
You have a legal duty not to repeat falsehood as truth.
Talk to an attorney on that point, since I am sure you will have trouble with such concepts.
I am tired of your garbage.
To knowingly repeat a falsehood is libel or slander.
It DOES NOT MATTER where you heard it.
You know that your attacks against me are false, and you continue, anyway.
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It don’t get any tinnier than that . . . hahahahhahaha
Blue Jay
EVERY single time you bring up this trash, the Eagle has been smart enough and decent enough to delete it from the Blog.
Shouldn’t that give you a clue as to how much of a risk you are taking, in bringing it up again and again after you have been proven wrong about it all?
“biased1″ continues to astound –
Starting with,
“Monkeyspunk”
and ending up with
“So the name calling begins…”
If I could only invest in irony.
Call the waaaaambulance for Franklin, I think he broke a wing!
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink
“Regular” –
Your repeated “What law was broken?” mantra reminds me of a three-year-old’s constant “Why?” questions.
But at least three-year-olds are cute.
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So MonkeyHock,
What laws were broken?
I will weigh my reputation for honesty and accuracy in my posting against yours any day of the week “Franklin”.
What a hypocrite you are. YOU post the most vile lies and suppositions to further your own political ends. But you seem to feel owed some special dispensation from the very sort of posting you do every day.
It’s been often said Franklin. If you did not exist here, we would have to invent you as illustration of the worst of the bad.
LOL.
Good old, Ayers! Always good for a lively discussion. He said we should have done more to fight the war and racism. He flatly denies he wishes the Weather Underground had planted more bombs to this purpose.
When the documentary came out, he seemed a bit embarrassed seeing the arrogance of his old self in the late 60s – early 70s.
Bah, the Chicago police were gunning activists down in their beds. Peaceful demonstrators were denied their right to peaceably assemble by club and teargas attacks. FBI was illegally breaking and entering. 50,000 dead American soldiers, countless Vietnamese dead. WHite House officials making plans to kidnap anti-war leaders and ‘disappearing them”.
Do we really need this rehashed?
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biased1
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink
!!
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Hey Mr. Libtard how do you feel about THIS?
william ayres….just a guy
jeremiah wright….a preacher i don’t know
tony rezko……just a great guy that sold me a house.
ACORN……just a bunch of community organizers.
fanny and freddie…..money lenders I tried to regulate (maybe they gave me some money)
AIG…..insurance company i tried to regulate (maybe they gave me the most money)
wife……..had NEVER been proud of the US until the One was nominated.
Grandmother…………typical white woman.
islam…………peaceful religion.
iran……..little country that poses no serious threat.
pakistan (the One pronounces (pock-a-ston)……i’ll bomb them any time i want.
iraq……we’ll be out in 16 weeks.
internet……great place to get funding (especially from overseas and middle east)
TYPICAL LIBTARD RESPONSE>>>>>>>>>
bahhhhh…….
bahhhhh…….
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Yep . . . guess that’s why I’m a LIBTARD, and you’re brainless, spineless, mindless, rush spoutin’ neo-con robot.
By the way, silver closed at 10.19 per oz. How many ounces in a piece of silver, anyway?
Apparently senile old man John McCain wants the Viet Nam war rehashed. His PTSD is flaring up bigtime. He is not fit to be President.
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JMWalker
Posted October 11, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink
And reg still hasn’t answered the question.
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Amazing how quickly the neo-cons graduated from the “Palin school of obfuscation.”
At a rally a couple of days ago McCain said “my fellow prisoners”. The man is crying for the psychiatric help he never got after his military service.
At least this is a welcome diversion from the economic meltdown that McCain keeps zigzagging around, tumbling headlong from one quickly devised plan to another haphazard half-baked idea.
Ahhhhhhh! The sweet life of a maverick!
All the while, Senator Barak Obama maintains his cool and calm and continues to show America a new path toward a better future with policies designed to assist hard working Americans keep more of what they earn.
The third major poll in the last three days shows McCain trailing Senator Obama by 11 points.
And those polls are based on public opinion BEFORE it was revealed that McCain’s running mate Sarah Palin has abused her office and violated the public trust to pursue a personal vendetta.
Nowhere to go but down for McCain.
SIgh, the Weather Underground destroyed government property and gave lots of notice to authorities to prevent injuring people.
You may criticize their actions, but you don’t have to lie about them or make stuff up. The Weather Underground campaign of forty years ago was bad enough as it is.
The least you can do is stick to the facts…
Think of that poor little old lady who is scared because they are telling her that Senator Obama (”a decent person,” “a family man,” “you have to be respectful.” – John McCain) is an Arab!
This is getting rich.
Turns out there’s evidence the Moose-Dresser and Snow-Machine-Racer their $552,000 lakeside home, just up the street from the earmark-financed hockey rink in Wasilla, was built for free by Todd’s “buddies” who just happened to be building the hockey rink.
http://stef.dailykos.com/
Old-style good-old-boy politicians who are striking out at the maverick.
So maybe that’s a sign that McCain should watch his back?
Sarah Baracuda will take down anyone, no matter what it takes. Ask Stevens…one of her many “friends”.
The Palin’s two-story, four bedroom, four bath home on Lake Lucille is worth $552,000. “Todd Palin built the house with friends who were contractors, he said in a recent television interview.”
At the same time the mighty Todd was building the house, the Wasilla Sports Complex was under construction right down the road. Just who were these “friends who were contractors” who did such a huge favor for the Palins by building their house for them? Was it payback for the sports complex contracts? Wayne Barrett of the Village Voice asks the question, below the fold.
You really can’t make this stuff up!
I’m sure Bible Spice didn’t know anything about it.
Don’t you think Palin accepts the “literal” interpretation of the Bible? That’s what she has told us and we’re going to believe what she says! In 1Timothy 2:11-15 we are told that women are not permitted to have authority over men. So, if Todd wants to use her office for something, who is she to tell him no? If Todd wanted to get favors in return for favors, who would Sarah be to interfere?
Bible Spice and Todd the Toady could get twin indictments. How sweet.
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 11, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink
I’m sure Bible Spice didn’t know anything about it.
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Since the Libs are using all these disparaging nicks, guess I’ll start using “Magic Negro” for Obama.
Toady Regular can do whatever McCain his master wants him to do. No one cares about you or what you do.
There’s nothing unusual at all. People everywhere have $552,000 homes built this way everyday. There’s nothing to see. Move along. . . move along. . .
‘Did Sports Complex Contractors Build Palin’s House for Free? ‘
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/11/111018/34/47/627460
What an unusual situation. Giant construction contracts are being awarded to campaign contributors at the same time that “buddies” who just happen to be contractors are “helping” Todd build their two-story house. At the same time Sarah ensures there will be no public record of building permits. WTF? How is this different from the Stevens situation?
It doesn’t take long for Jiommy boy to sure his true racist colors — no wonder you were fragged.
Not much is being said about Annenbergs endorsement of McCain — even though it was her and her hubbys foundation that Obama and that damn American terrorists that the barracuda (now cut down to goldfish) served on the board for is accusing of his running his campaign as Paul Harvey would say and now the rest of the story —- frauds and hyprocrites — at every turn McCain continues to show he has no honor or integrity and regular and the prices and the like kneel at the feet of thier teacher —– all hail wannabe king McCain – too bad too late too old ………
the difference jimmy boy is bible spice is funny — you are just a simple hateful bigot typical neo con Kansan —
What fear !!!
Osama “Chitterlings” Obama often quoted Saul Alynksy, the communist bred socialist.
Osama the “Magic Negro” Obama has plagiarized Alynsky more than once in his speeches.
Indie
Posted October 11, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
the difference jimmy boy is bible spice is funny
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Wrong!
It’s still religious bigotry.
Hypocrite
It may well be time for legal action.
Do it! or stfu
Good to see Bush/McCain Toady Regular finally letting everyone see who he really is. How ’bout copying some of your stuff toady and showing it to your Minister tomorrow before or after Church?
“impeach”+”Palin” = 700,000 hits.
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 11, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink
Good to see Bush/McCain Toady Regular finally letting everyone see who he really is. How ’bout copying some of your stuff toady and showing it to your Minister tomorrow before or after Church?
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At least I’m not switching nicks like you.
I man up to the stance.
Ho humm zzzzzzz
multi-nic mxyzptlk writes Good to see Bush/McCain before or after church.
Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
I man up to the stance.
Then like a man you’ll show your Church minister what you’ve been writing here. Hmmmph NOT!
Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 11, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink
I’m sure Bible Spice didn’t know anything about it.
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Since the Libs are using all these disparaging nicks, guess I’ll start using “Magic Negro” for Obama.
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LOL
What a comedy mother lode this topic has been, the McCain/Palin supporters’ posts in particular have all been like “you better stop now or I’ll shoot myself in the foot! Again! Over and over and over! THAT’ll learn you!”
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Regular
Posted October 11, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
Osama “Chitterlings” Obama often quoted Saul Alynksy, the communist bred socialist.
Osama the “Magic Negro” Obama has plagiarized Alynsky more than once in his speeches.
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When ya got nothin’ else, hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
I think the Cons need to get aquainted to saying “President Obama”.
That is pretty much a certainty on Nov. 4th now.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) ? The chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday that Governor Sarah Palin broke no laws when she tried to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper. The inquiry looked into her dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, who said he lost his job because he resisted pressure to fire trooper Mike Wooten. However, Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute, and the panel said his firing was lawful.
WCBSTV, Anchorage Alaska
Associated Press contribution
JM,
The old US silver dollar contains .75 troy ounce of .999+fine silver. 30 pieces (US) would therefore be 22.5 tr.oz., with a current value of $229.28 and falling fast. Back when the Hunt Bros tried to corner the silver market, a standard betrayal momentarily went for over $1170. The low price for a ratting out in recent years was the first few months of the Bush Administration, when you could purchase one for less than $75.
David
You are just plain wrong.
The Weather Underground terrorist organization absolutely DID harm innocent people.
Some of their bombs were set to go off deliberately to hurt people.
They were absolutely NOT targeting empty buildings, as you falsely claim.
Link in header at top of this thread.
http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/556335.html
Sarah Palin unlawfully abused her power as governor by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper, the chief investigator of an Alaska legislative panel concluded Friday. The politically charged inquiry imperiled her reputation as a reformer on John McCain’s Republican ticket.
Investigator Stephen Branchflower, in a report by a bipartisan panel that investigated the matter, found Palin in violation of a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain.
Pall,
Maybe you can explain how 50lbs of explosives when hand-delivered constitutes terrorism, but 500lbs of the same stuff is known as homeland defense when dropped from an FA-18.
Cosmos
Branchflower is a political hack.
Branchflower is free to have his own opinions, but NO legal authority has said that Palin did anything wrong.
Several of the Republicans, on this panel, make clear that they voted to RELEASE the report, and their vote DID NOT mean that they agreed with everything in the report.
And, the REPORT itself says that Palin had the power to do what she did.
Jed
Ever wonder why Democrat candidates for office are so careful NOT to call our fighting men and women “terrorists” as you seem to be doing, above?
Obama friends William Ayers and Bernidine Dohrn are anti-American terrorists. Their organization absolutely is responsible for killing people. Actually, it is only through the fact that some of their bombs did not work and did not go off, as planned, that they did not kill even more people.
David
Just so you can avoid making dumb mistakes, in the future:
“John M. Murtagh
Fire in the Night
The Weathermen tried to kill my family.
30 April 2008
During the April 16 debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, moderator George Stephanopoulos brought up “a gentleman named William Ayers,” who “was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that.” Stephanopoulos then asked Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers. Obama’s answer: “The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.” Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me.
In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.
I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.
For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.
Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family’s life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife, promised more bombings.
As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”
Though never a supporter of Obama, I admired him for a time for his ability to engage our imaginations, and especially for his ability to inspire the young once again to embrace the political system. Yet his myopia in the last few months has cast a new light on his “politics of change.” Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends’ and supporters’ violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama’s own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation.
At the conclusion of his 2001 Times interview, Ayers said of his upbringing and subsequent radicalization: “I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire.”
Funny thing, Bill: one night, so did I.
John M. Murtagh is a practicing attorney, an adjunct professor of public policy at the Fordham University College of Liberal Studies, and a member of the city council in Yonkers, New York, where he resides with his wife and two sons.”
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
econ,
Did you read all 1200+ pages of the report?
Is it perfectly acceptable to you for a governor (and her husband) to repeatly pressure to have an ex-family member fired?
“Pall,
Maybe you can explain how 50lbs of explosives when hand-delivered constitutes terrorism, but 500lbs of the same stuff is known as homeland defense when dropped from an FA-18.
It’s all in the method of delivery. Israel can fire off missles to hit beaches or civilan area, but if a Pal hand delivers the explosives to the same area, than the first is legit, the second- a terrorist.
William Ayers wife, the terrorist Bernadine Dohrn, was most likely the one who planned the bombing of judge Murtagh’s home.
Ayers and Dohrn are both friends of Michelle and Barack Obama.
Both have contributed to Obama’s campaign.
Obama’s first fund raising event was held a the home of terrorists Dohrn and Ayers.
David
You might also check into the Weather Underground’s attack on an NCO club and a police headquarters, BOTH planned for a time of maximum human casualties.
This group was trying to kill people, that was their intent.
Keep it up Franklin, it’s not working and widening the gap, even mccain and palin seem to have abandoned it, guess you didn’t get the memo.
cosmos
If Obama is elected, and one of his in-laws is shown to be a law enforcment officer that tasers kids, gets drunk in a government vehicle, makes threats against the Obama family members and otherwise makes a jerk of himself — Obama is free to fire that person or to inquire as to why that person has NOT been fired.
What the Palin’s did was understandable and justified.
This is something else, that Branchflower even had to admit:
“FEEDBACK FOR COMPLAINANTS
The release of Branchflower’s 263-page report came after the Legislative Council discussed it for six hours in a closed-door meeting.
Branchflower recommends the Legislature change the way complaints against peace officers such as troopers are handled. Lawmakers should consider making it possible for people who file such complaints to get feedback about the status of their complaint and whatever action was taken about it, he wrote.
The initial complaint against Wooten was filed by Gov. Palin’s father, Chuck Heath, before she was elected governor in 2006. Branchflower says the inability of the family to get information about what was happening with the complaint was frustrating to them.
“I believe their frustration was real as was their skepticism about whether their complaints were being zealously investigated,” Branchflower’s report said. “The irony is that the complaints were taken very seriously, and a thorough investigation was under way. However, the law prevented the Troopers from giving them any feedback whatsoever.”
The law should try to balance the need for confidentiality with a recognition that feedback to the filer of a complaint is also important, the report said.”
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/552799.html
So, the HEAD of this investigation ADMITS that the Palin family had just cause for their frustration, and that the law should be changed to allow people who file complaints against law enforcement officials to be informed as to the status of such complaints!
Phantom
You and the other liberal bloggers prove again why it is suicidal for Jewish Americans to vote Democrat.
Israel has tried to make peace countless times.
The terrorists deliberately shoot missles, from civilian areas, because the terrorists WANT civilians to be killed in the cross fire.
econ,
What the Palin’s did was understandable and justified.
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No, it was a violation of ethics.
econ posted,
“The irony is that the complaints were taken very seriously, and a thorough investigation was under way.”
Pall,
“Jed
Ever wonder why Democrat candidates for office are so careful NOT to call our fighting men and women “terrorists” as you seem to be doing, above?”
Sorry pall, but it’s my contention that high explosives set off in a civilian marketplace constitute terror no matter who delivered them or how. I’m reasonably sure it doesn’t matter to the dead civilians how righteously they were killed.
There was no “violation of ethics” proven by anyone with the authority to make such a decision.
This report is very mild, if taken in its entirety.
The report makes clear that changes need to be made, so that private citizens AND government officials, who complain about abusive law enforcement officials, have FEEDBACK about the complaint.
Just because some politicians say that what the Palin’s did might have violated some ethics law, does not mean that it DID.
NO official, with any authority to do so, has claimed that the Palin’s violated any law.
“This investigation started because Monegan claimed he was “fired” for supposedly not firing a dangerous cop. Branchflower now concludes that was a false allegation and instead he noted that there were legitimate reasons to remove Monegan as Commissioner. The Governor has been fully factually vindicated as we have maintained she would be. But the partisan nature of this investigation ineluctably compelled Branchflower and Sen. French to nevertheless smear the Governor by innuendo, and by presenting incorrect representations of what the law is.”
– Thomas Van Flein, lawyer for Sarah and Todd Palin
Cosmos
And the “irony” you speak of is?
Very clearly, the facts were that the law prevented law enforcement agencies from giving much of any feedback, to the Palin family.
Even Branchflower admits that the Palins had just cause to be frustrated by the complaint process.
econ posts,
– Thomas Van Flein, lawyer for Sarah and Todd Palin
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LOL!
Pall,
“The Governor has been fully factually vindicated as we have maintained she would be. But the partisan nature of this investigation ineluctably compelled Branchflower and Sen. French to nevertheless smear the Governor by innuendo, and by presenting incorrect representations of what the law is.”
For everything
Spin spin spin
There is a season
Spin spin spin…..
It’s still the weekend. Obama’s numbers have been going up without the news of Palin violating her oath of office. The Republicans are wearing themselves out spinning, spinning, spinning.
The new story of the Palins’ half a million dollar home being built for free by contractors in exchange for a government contract is being investigated by the media.
I can’t wait ’til Monday. Yahoooooo.
Obama’s still leading 343 to McCain’s 184. Weren’t the Republicans said we were frightened about the criminal Palin being on the ticket?
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Polls show it looks like there will be 59 Democrats in the Senate.
You know what the Republicans fear the most? All the power Bush has been grabbing will now be in the hands of Obama. How do the Republicans feel with a Democrat being able to torture, conduct warrant wiretaps, warrantless home searches and no habeus corpus?
Dem pickups (vs. 2004): CO FL IA NV NM OH VA WV
GOP pickups (vs. 2004): (None)
;-)
I’m pretty sure there are terrorists among us here on the blog. Off to Gitmo with them for some friendly waterboarding!
mxyzptlk,
The board’s Republicans are expressed their racist views and even a wish that George Soros would have died in the Holocaust. They are a lovely bunch aren’t they?
Quote from a McCain supporter referring to Obama, “Off with his head!”
Yup, the party of patriotism wanting to assassinate the future President. May our prisons be filled with these America haters.
Franklin
Posted October 11, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink
“This investigation started because Monegan claimed he was “fired” for supposedly not firing a dangerous cop. Branchflower now concludes that was a false allegation and instead he noted that there were legitimate reasons to remove Monegan as Commissioner. The Governor has been fully factually vindicated as we have maintained she would be. But the partisan nature of this investigation ineluctably compelled Branchflower and Sen. French to nevertheless smear the Governor by innuendo, and by presenting incorrect representations of what the law is.”
– Thomas Van Flein, lawyer for Sarah and Todd Palin
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Are you seriously trying to use Palins’ lawyer as facts in this case? Get real. Their lawyer is a paid shill – and you know alot about that profile – don’t you?
Todd Palin had way too much access to the governor’s office and no one on her staff had the nerve to tell him to shut up?
Sarah Palin’s emails were not turned over – why not? Maybe the smoking gun is in those emails – huh?
I was thinking the same thing Maggotpunk. The Republicans don’t get it yet that they have only themselves to blame for the entire downslide of their beloved leaders.
Republicans were in control of Congress from 1994 to 2000 and in total control of Congress and the White House from 2000 to 2006.
And what did they do with that power? Well, let’s see:
1) We are still bogged down in Iraq.
2) Bush is threatening to invade Iran.
3) North Korea got their nuclear weapons.
4) We are still dependent on foreign oil.
5) We owe China 500 billion dollars and counting.
6) Our economy is on the brink of collapsing.
7) Our status of superpower is in question.
8) The respect of our allies is still hurting because of Bush and Cheney’s ‘my way or no way’ attitude.
And the only thing we hear from the Republicans is how bad Obama is?
Please, Republicans, give us a break and stop embarrassing yourselves.
Pall. I can only shake my head.
econ posted October 11, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Cosmos
And the “irony” you speak of is?
Very clearly, the facts were that the law prevented law enforcement agencies from giving much of any feedback, to the Palin family.
Even Branchflower admits that the Palins had just cause to be frustrated by the complaint process.
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Again,
“The irony is that the complaints were taken very SERIOUSLY, and a THOROUGH investigation was under way.”
And what could a private citizen do if she was “frustrated by the complaint process”?
Ohh! I know! I know! She could be elected governor, and then she and her husband could abuse the power of her office, to try to get her ex-brother-in-law FIRED!.
To be fair to the “frustrated” private citizens who are not governors, maybe we should give them the same powers as the governors?
Libs
The BEST thing that could happen, for the political careers of Kansas Republicans, is for Obama to be elected.
However, most of us Kansas Republicans care more about our country than we do about the strength of the Kansas Republican Party.
Would it be easier to pick off Tiahrt with McCain as President or with Obama as President? Clearly, Tiahrt would have MORE trouble with a McCain Presidency. The Party in power always loses Congressional seats in off-year elections.
However, again, Republicans care more about the country than we do about politics.
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Now, Mom
Doesnt the other side get to express its view?
Why isnt the Palin’s attorney worthy of an opinion, in your eyes?
Cosmos
BRANCHFLOWER used the word “irony” before you did.
Branchflower used the word, “irony,” to explain that it WAS ironic that the various investigative bodies WERE taking the abuses of this law enforcement officer seriously, even though the law, in Alaska, made it difficult to explain this fact to the public or to the Palin family.
econ,
That’s the point.
“…the complaints were taken very SERIOUSLY, and a THOROUGH investigation was under way.” Wooten was cleared.
Sarah Palin later abused the power of her office to try to get Wooten fired.
Franklin
Posted October 11, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink
Why isnt the Palin’s attorney worthy of an opinion, in your eyes?
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Who ever said he’s not entitled to his opinion?
The question is this, why in the world would you expect anybody to take the opinion of the defendant’s lawyer ON THE MERITS OF THE CASE?!?
You guys crack me up. You in particular are profoundly untalented at spinning the news for all but a handful of already died in the wool Republics…but like the black knight in Holy Grail you never let a total absence of talent stop you.
PAULSON IS A DEMOCRAT!
cosmos defends cops that taser 10 year olds and makes death threats to other people.
“cosmos defends cops that taser 10 year olds and makes death threats to other people.”
Re: Regular
DNFTT
Well, here’s a nibble, can’t resist.
That was pathetic even for you.
Agnatha,
“Kansas values” Regular’s goal is to be as pathetic as possible.
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Agnatha
Posted October 11, 2008 at 8:37 pm | Permalink
“cosmos defends cops that taser 10 year olds and makes death threats to other people.”
Re: Regular
DNFTT
Well, here’s a nibble, can’t resist.
That was pathetic even for you.
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The jawless fish supports people that support cops tasering 10 year olds and making death threats to other people.
Lil Sarah fired a shot across Tina Fey’s bow the other day.
THAT wasn’t smart.
This evening, I am sure she will have her Sarah Palin darts extra sharp.
Make sure to check out Tina Fey out Palining Palin on Saturday Night live.
“So, it’s not a law that was broken, it’s a statute”
A statute IS a law.
“Statute
1 : a law enacted by the legislative branch of a government”
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/statute
Regular must be home-schooled and doesn’t know the difference statue and a statute.
ACORN forced the trooper to taser the 10-year old.
ACORN beat up Chuck Norris and put him in a wheelchair. Then ACORN beat him up again.
Yeah, bth, I too am still chucklin’ over that one.
Defense of Palin: she may have broke a statute or two, but she didn’t break no laws! I guess it’s suddenly spelling that’s important to Palin’s supporters.
I must say, though, that I am saddened by the dilution by this particular former HAZMAT inspector posing (now) as a lawyer to the hippocratic oath taken by former HAZMAT inspectors everywhere. I had higher hopes than this for ‘em all as they branch out to law in addition to their expertise in science and economics.
It’s been a great day for funny here at WEBlog.
Well if Wooten was in Kansas what would have happened to the Trooper when he tazered the 10 year old stepson? You would have castigated him on OL and made sure he paid a heavy penalty and jail time. Everyone would have said and hoped that he would be raped everyday in jail.
By the way is anyone concerned about ACORN? What about the strange campaign contributions? What about the voter fraud questions? Gee it sure seems like Sarah Palin is a menace to society.
TTT,
First off, I learned a long, long time ago to take any charges made during a divorce with a ton or so of salt.
Second, the ‘publicans lost the right to complain about voter fraud or strange contributions back in 2000. Suck it up!
“Phantom
You and the other liberal bloggers prove again why it is suicidal for Jewish Americans to vote Democrat.
Your sentence should read”…for Zionist Americans…
But even then it would be inaccurate as most dem politicians are just as onboard on the Israel situation as the Repubs.
Clinton was guilty of practicing poor ethics, but really screwed up when he lied about it under oath, fortunately for palin, she just ignored the subpoena and thus didn’t have to lie under oath, so give her a walk.
Something tells me Jews fear radical groups like “Jews for Jesus” more than the fear groups that are out front with their being against Zionism. The religious group seeks to put an end to their entire faith and culture, the anti-zionist just wish to put an end to their land grabbing.
How many on here have ever read Saul Alinsky’s book? I have to admit I haven’t but my interest has been piqued.
We may need a road map for the new society.
More details re the investigation.
‘Investigator Discounted Palins’ Fears as Motivation to Seek Removal of a Trooper ‘
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/us/politics/12trooper.html?ref=politics
“The jawless fish supports people that support cops tasering 10 year olds and making death threats to other people.”
Yep, pathetic.
Re: Regular
DNFTT