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Open thread on v.p. debate
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Oct. 2, 2008 at 8:04 p.m.
- Filed under Presidential race
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Who’s tuned in and what channel are you on?
How many hockey moms are there in Kansas? Any idea?
Plenty of Joe Sixpack, like the guy who ran over the mom and 4-year-old daughter…
CNN Rox.
They have a reaction graph.
It’s best to watch it CSPAN, imo, channel 18 if you have Cox Cable.
I’m here, Rox. I’m watching CSPAN too. Palin is doing great!
When she tried her maverick line, the reaction graph tanked.
I’m on CPSAN, too.
Yeah, she’s doin’ great, Linda!
BTW, I’m listening/watching and cleaning. Multi-tasking. :) Oh, and blogging, too.
What debate are you two watching?
I’m watching a movie
Same one as you, BlueJay, and getting dizzy.
“How long have I been at this? Five weeks?”
Oh my.
Her sentences are understandable, her grammar on par with average Americans (abysmal). She is talking to America and doing very well. Remember we’re news junkies and understand that she isn’t answering the questions. America doesn’t know those are meaningless soundbites!
Ouch!
Biden just hit her AND McCain with a roundhouse!
I’m watching on http://www.youngturks.com
Palin is dodging and lying as expected. Biden is smoking Palin. I’m noticing that Biden is getting asked questions first so dimwit Palin has time to produce a coherent response.
It is now becoming apparent she has a limited number of soundbites and is beginning to repeat them. Will America notice?
“rear that head”
She’s slipping. Her composure too.
Was nice of Biden to admit that Governor Palin did the right think on the windfall profits tax on oil companies.
Evidently, Biden thinks Palin knows how to govern properly at the executive level. :)
Is there anyone who thinks that this debate is going to change anyone’s mind?
From the reaction graph, women are clearly more intelligent than men.
Seems like Biden is successfully gaming the process of the debate.
He makes his most salient points when he has the last word in the pre-determined question-and-answer process.
We’re not a third into the debate and the Moose-Dresser has run out of scripted lines.
McCain called for reform when he voted to deregulate the mortgage industry. Biden should certainly destroy her on this one.
Incoherence. Ooops. We have a full hour left. Is she prepared for 90 minutes or only 30?
I really don’t understand why the great majority of you are even watching,you had your minds made up days ago.
Yes.
Will McCain be on board with a national windfall profit tax on the oil companies?
Like Sarah was in Alaska?
Freebird, it’s like watching Nascar. I’m watching to see Palin crash.
“Is there anyone who thinks that this debate is going to change anyone’s mind?”
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I don’t. The sides were chosen long ago and there will be no mercy. I don’t even believe in the so-called undecideds.
And once again Palin dodges the question.
It’s moving fast. Is she in a rush?
I’m not undecided,I’ve decided not to vote for either one.
She’s repeating the same answer she gave to Katie Couric. Let’s see if she does better this time around. I’m thinking no. You need to know causes in order to deal with the problem.
Biden just pegged out the graph!
Freebird, I’m giving her a chance to prove herself. That doesn’t mean she’d win my vote by doing it, but would at least raise her esteem, as far as I’m concerned.
That’s as fair an answer as I can give.
“Drill baby drill” fell flat.
Biden pwns Palin again.
Did she say ‘Senator O’Biden’?
She cannot stay on queue with the questions of the moderator. She cannot come back on Biden. She keeps on going back to trying to take control of the topic by talking about Energy issues and her experience in Alaska. The reason is, because she is not informed. She doesn’t know that issues that the questions cover.
It’s not working. She’s done. McCain is done.
Obama will be our next President.
For those who will not be voting for Obama, I suggest another option would be to support 3rd parties, such as the Libertarian Party as to keep them viable for ballot access in coming elections.
Further, if she had done as poorly tonight (and she is doing very well!) she would have hurt / doomed her future as a politician, not only the McCain / Palin presidential ticket.
Yeah, she just said “senator o’biden” again. She doesn’t even know who the vp candidate is.
Biden is right about the Constitution and same-sex benefits.
And Sarah is tolerant…
Predestined
Posted October 2, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
Freebird, I’m giving her a chance to prove herself. That doesn’t mean she’d win my vote by doing it, but would at least raise her esteem, as far as I’m concerned.
That’s as fair an answer as I can give.
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That’s a fair answer
Thanks, MP, I thought I was imagining things.
For those who will not be voting for Obama, I suggest another option would be to support 3rd parties, such as the Libertarian Party as to keep them viable for ballot access in coming elections.
Sounds like a plan
Palin is flat in the reaction graph…
Sounds like a desperation move to get McCain in the White House to me. It’s a plan all right but not a good one.
I noticed Palin wore her hair down. Is that to cover the wire to her earpiece?
Did you see that flag pin? It would be difficult to miss.
Biden (or O’Biden in Palin’s case) pwns Palin again.
It isn’t good that Biden is laughing. He needs to control that!
She’s TRYING to attack.
It aint working.
Biden’s worm hit the roof, Palin’s hits rock bottom.
lindaainks55. Control that? Everybody watching this debate is either shaking their heads or laughing.
Have you noticed Palin can’t make eye contact with Biden while he has no problem looking at her. I guess it’s harder to lie when you are looking at your opponent.
Yes. But he shouldn’t. He needs to be more respectful than I am. There are some watching who know NOTHING. This may be the first time they have ever seen these two speak. We are not average Americans. We read, listen, search for information. Most of America doesn’t.
Oh Gawd!
She can’t say nu cle ar either!
Ah! She got to say ImADinnerJacket’s name — TWICE! That will impress America.
More flat line for Palin….
lindainks55! For those who know nothing or the first time they’ve seen Biden and Palin speak or even heard their names (aka: uninformed potential voters), are either not ever going to vote or they are going to vote Democrat. So it doesn’t matter, Palin is finished.
Actually a lot of dictators love America. We provide them with money, weapons and movies from Hollywood.
Notices the crats are busying chatting, probably the same people chatting in the classroom when they went to school. No wonder they have very short attention spans and deficient memories.
Biden pwns Palin on foreign policy.
Why does McCain hate Spain?
Well, on this will we agree to disagree, IctBest. There will be people vote this election who never thought of voting, have never voted and know nothing. Who in the world can determine what would have an effect on that voter? It would seem a myriad of reasons I can’t ponder. I vote. I inform myself. This time around with the attention of many who have no idea I can’t predict who may appeal. What I will say is that Palin speaks like average America and they may identify with her.
bushco has screwed the pooch badly enough that average America is at least aware we have big problems.
Bidens foreign policy fell flat. Palin outdid him except right at the end when he mentioned Bush.
McCain = bush just SPIKED
Bush is the buzzword. Say it loud and say it often. It makes your graph go up.
Regular, this debate will be rebroadcast several times. The script will be available five minutes after the debate ends. Besides, can’t you multi-task?
McCain DOES = bush and everyone knows it.
ear rating?
lindalinks55. Again, for those who are new into politics or know nothing about the issues, will always default to voting Democrat. That is the majority of their voting constituency.
Yeah linda.
And “ear raiding” was flat line.
What part of “on this will we agree to disagree, IctBest,” did you NOT understand?
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lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 8:57 pm | Permalink
Regular, this debate will be rebroadcast several times. The script will be available five minutes after the debate ends. Besides, can’t you multi-task?
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Probably better than most in the area of multi-tasking. :)
However, the attention span demonstrated here on the blog wouldn’t do a gnat’s brain justice.
Was it the part where I got the words “we” and “will” backwards? (giggle) I don’t type without error when I’m NOT multi-tasking.
I’m clarifying so you CAN understand where these so called uninformed voters will go towards.
Do you understand now?
Boy, you’re especially dense, aren’t you? You have an opinion. I have an opinion. They are different.
You have choices in blogging Regular.
Bye?
Biden is consistently above the line.
Palin is right on the line.
And ANOTHER right wing reactionary line fell flat!
I don’t think it’s a good idea for Palin to continually bring up how she hasn’t been at this for very long and doesn’t have much experience with this…Her rating dipped again when she mentioned that
My opinion is fact. Yours is, well, uninformed quibble. Meaning, you’ll vote for Obama, even though you don’t have much grasp of the issues.
Facts trumps opinions.
How dense can you be?
She’s faltering again.
These are independent Ohio voters.
Biden is running CONSISTENTLY above Palin.
Biden speaks so strongly WITHOUT note cards! He knows his stuff!
McCain knows how to win a war? Which war was that?
I’ve got to hand it to her, she’s been doing a pretty good job for the most part. Much better than her interviews with Couric.
“maverick” cratered.
Again.
Absolutely! She is doing a very good job! She has redeemed herself.
Women love her!
So do the men.
Men don’t like Biden at all.
You can’t read a graph okie.
That was real professional…
Therrrre yoooou goo againnn
Fell flat.
Did she seriously just shout out to 3rd graders?
She gets it about education and women love it.
EXCELLENT comments on education from Palin!
Her kids are not in SCHOOL!
They are traveling with her!
3rd graders are people too.
Palin’s running flat, get the paddles.
He answers the question and does it very well!
I was on the phone and missed a bunch, but when I was done with the conversation, I did notice that Palin looked as if she was losing her cool.
And what was that about a War declaration or whatever?
Biden spikes!
Again.
Good question, Ifill!
Poor answer, Palin!
BlueJay
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:13 pm | Permalink
Her kids are not in SCHOOL!
They are traveling with her!
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And that has what to do with her views on education? It is possible they have a tutor with them
3rd graders are people, but comments like those that just keep coming out of nowhere are what keeps sinking her.
Spike on Biden’s answer about Cheney?
Oh Sarah!
Embracing Cheney?
She has done an exceptional job, Pre. No one but we news junkies would recognize the failures. She spoke to America and America appreciated it. Remember half the people are below average.
Hep the women loved him – the men not so much.
Has Track actually shipped out to Iraq yet?
Palin is giving the writer of SNL plenty to work with.
They’re (rightfully so!) not reporting on details of his deployment.
they loved her discription of the McCain ticket.
ictBest
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink
My opinion is fact. Yours is, well, uninformed quibble. Meaning, you’ll vote for Obama, even though you don’t have much grasp of the issues.
Facts trumps opinions.
How dense can you be?
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An opinion is not fact. An opinion is just that an opinion,just because it disagrees with yours makes it no less valid than yours,or no more valid than yours.
Linda, it’s nice to be informed.
I would guess that many who tuned in just to see what was going on have already tuned out.
Palin doesn’t know what an achilles heel is. Probably can’t read that Greek mythology because it’s satanic.
Oh no he just pulled a Hillary on us.
Biden spikes again.
“Maverick” still flat.
Evoking Reagan, flat.
What was the over/under line on how many times the Moose-Dresser would say “maverick?”
She’s stressed. Her smile has disappeared and the lines are showing on her face, especially around her mouth.
I’m starting to really like Biden. He’s doing an excellent job right now.
I’ve always liked Biden. He’s intelligent and knows his own weaknesses.
Every time Palin says the drinking word ‘maverick’ the worm flatlines.
And when Biden talked about ‘Maverick’ it spiked
I do not think we will hear McCain use the word “maverick” again.
Speaking of drinking, I hope they have a drink for her when this is over. A big one. She deserves one.
One reason not to vote for McCain, we won’t have to hear the word “maverick” ever again.
She makes it sound like she has seen many budgets. And, America doesn’t know she has been in office LESS than two years.
Towns have budgets. Businesses have budget. She was a business owner.
From the flat line when DC is mentioned I think people are tired of business as usual.
I guess many could equal 2…maybe they had a couple budgets not pass before getting one that would.
Good marks on both when talking about visions.
She did great! She is an average American. Half of whom are below average.
She is doing really well with women and not bad with men.
I wonder how much they had to pay to get Tina Fey to stand in for Palin tonight?
Fight for it. And McCain wuld love a war or two of his own.
I think she’s done better than in her interviews, but she still is out of touch with what’s going on in the country. She’s like listening to a right wing pundit, just rhetoric and spin and she hasn’t really got a clue to what American’s are really going through, especially when it comes to healthcare. I’m so sick of the right wing talking points..they mean nothing.
Women seem to like Joes better than the men also.
Palin is a walking talking cliche.
I’m SO glad America has been good to her.
Many of the rest of us not so much.
The bump when he mentioned mortages tell me that the economy is the biggest issue over all, national security second.
“lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink
She did great! She is an average American. Half of whom are below average.”
Great she is an average American. What that means is there are 150 million Americans better qualified than her to be VP
Oh no he invoked God’s blessing. Did that turn any of the libs off.
Biden finished stronger than Palin.
It was a fair debate, don’t think anyone won, especially converting voters over.
I doubt the undecided made any head way either.
Great little trick CNN pulled. Leave her mike live but turn his off. Oldest trick in the world.
I agree, Brian! But remember she was speaking to average America, not to us who are news junkies. She did a very good job!
I’ve become a fan of Biden. He did very good.
“okobserver
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:33 pm | Permalink
Oh no he invoked God’s blessing. Did that turn any of the libs off.”
Nope, it was quite appropriate.
Sorry, naysayers, she did a GREAT job. Win or lose, she’s a class act, something Biden will never be (he keeps tripping over his arrogance).
“okobserver
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink
Great little trick CNN pulled. Leave her mike live but turn his off. Oldest trick in the world.”
That’s the liberal/gay media for you, always pushing their agenda.
Her JOB was to assault Obama.
She ended up defending herself and McCain.
Rearguard action when you are already losing is cover for retreat.
lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:30 pm | Permalink
Fight for it. And McCain wuld love a war or two of his own.
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There’s my biggest issue with the 2 yahoos running, one would be eager to use the military and I think the other would be afraid to.
Regular, do you believe there are “undecideds?” I don’t know any but the people I know are interested and curious. I know there are Americans who are apathetic (too many!), but are there people who will vote and haven’t decided?
People are already voting, aren’t they?
“BlueJay
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink
Her JOB was to assault Obama.
She ended up defending herself and McCain.
Rearguard action when you are already losing is cover for retreat.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081002/pl_politico/22895;_ylt=AuJiXSTvU.77kHmyHPqh5GUDW7oF
“McCain pulling out of Michigan “
ksgran
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink
Sorry, naysayers, she did a GREAT job. Win or lose, she’s a class act, something Biden will never be (he keeps tripping over his arrogance).
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Interesting name you have there. That is why I changed the one I had. It was so common anyone could be it.
I don’t however agree with your opinion.
“There’s my biggest issue with the 2 yahoos running, one would be eager to use the military and I think the other would be afraid to.”
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bushco has left few choices. Our military is stretched very thin. Maybe too thin to handle what there challenges currently are. We must have diplomacy. We must have options. We must know that sending soldiers to war is absolutely necessary. I trust Obama and Biden to understand or search to find the knowledge. Obama is a very intelligent, measured and a curious man. He will seek knowledge and guidance. I trust him more than the man I think is a warmonger.
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lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:37 pm | Permalink
Regular, do you believe there are “undecideds?” I don’t know any but the people I know are interested and curious. I know there are Americans who are apathetic (too many!), but are there people who will vote and haven’t decided?
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There are always undecided. I heard a quote one time that as much as 10 percent don’t know who they will vote for, until they go into the booth.
I question that number, but there are a certain percentage of people who are too busy or politically apathetic.
She survived.
She gained no ground.
For those watching CNN with the reaction graph, the sampled group was Ohio undecided voters.
Biden consistently out performed her with this group.
Upshots? They don’t have to dump her from the ticket.
And the word “maverick” will never be heard again, at least not from McCain. Palin ceded that word. It now belongs to Obama.
Predestined
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink
People are already voting, aren’t they?
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I seem to recall something about early voting in Ohio,don’t know what level it was on though
I have always said the Democrats got their ticket reversed.
Biden is, of course, better qualified to be than Palin to be president. But Palin held her own and shattered the incompetent image that the loony left with the MSM’s assistance, carefully constructed for her. She is obviously a quick learner and she did what she needed to do.
To okobserver:
Interesting comment about the name:)
Respectfully, you must admit that someone caught plagiarizing on more than one occasion must have a boatload of arrogance to even show his face in the Senate, much less in a political campaign. If Gov. Palin had the same history, we’d be hearing about it on every newscast (except on Fox, of course!). I’m just saying…
You know after all these years that I’d think republicons could have a moticon of honesty- but nope, the responses here still show how far you are willing to bury your head in the sand to put party above America.
I don’t know where voting is already allowed, but it did start some places early this week. I read a statistic that one-third of America will lock in their choice long before the election. When does early voting begin in Kansas?
The debate was one of the greatest I have ever watched. I think my only problem with Palin was she got off topic quite regularly. That, I think lost the debate for her. On the other hand, she showed poise and knowledge, if not a bit too folksy. That seemed a bit contrived.
Biden gave the best performance of his life. He stayed on topic, gave short, concise answers, and refused to call out Palin on some of her obvious mistakes (general’s name in charge of Afghanistan, for instance). He also stayed away from the “silly season” crap, which I found refreshing. Sarah had to bring up the $42,000 tax, that was by no means true, so score one for Biden.
I would give it to Biden, but Sarah held her own. Excellent job both!!!!
Well said, P Mom.
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lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink
I don’t know where voting is already allowed, but it did start some places early this week. I read a statistic that one-third of America will lock in their choice long before the election. When does early voting begin in Kansas?
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Birth.
Swish! That was the sound of your answer going right over my head, JMW!
Palin showed she’s good at delivering pat answers, and she didn’t look at her flash cards that often.
The problem: details. Biden excelled in them. Palin, not so much.
I was not impressed with her. She seemed to have an allergy to answering questions that weren’t on her preparation list, occasionally going off on some completely different issue.
And I don’t if anyone thinks that I’m just confirming a bias. I like details. I like politicians to answer my questions. That’s my bias. And, yes, to the limited extent that Palin gave details, I didn’t like what was being proposed.
Palin is good at exuding confidence but not so good at earning it.
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lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 9:52 pm | Permalink
Swish! That was the sound of your answer going right over my head, JMW!
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Does that mean you get to smack me around?
The CNN graph was undecided Ohio voters.
They CLEARLY see McCain as bush.
That’s around where I am at Rage.
I was busy looking for a major gaffe or implosion.
I’m thinking the demolition is in the details.
Man, I wasn’t watching but I guess I don’t need to, this play by play is great.
Thanks all!
I’ll have to listen to it tomorrow morning…funny.
O’Biden eh? Funny.
Did she say,
“It’s because most American’s don’t have maps”?
Sleep tight.
Yes, I noticed the old, I’m not prepared to answer that one, but I want to talk about.., switcheroo. She did beat lowered expectations.
So if the repubs. were so pissed off because Pelosi talked bad about bush admin. does that mean that they are really mad at palin for throwing bush under the bus, or do the forgive her because she really has bush policies as her own?
Ok Olberman is beginning the de-constrution.
The Palinator and Gaffman arrived in the small town of Thorne Bay, Alaska, just before sunset, which in this case was 2:00 am. The Palinator reached down to turn off the engine of the custom OCR built Lipstick Hog.
She elbowed Gaffman in the ribs for the sixteenth time.
“I told you I was a taken woman, Gaffman.”
“My bad,” Gaffman replied, “I thought for a moment you were Brittany Spears.” He smiled; his white teeth glowing in the setting Alaskan sun.
“Hummmpppphhhh,” said the Palinator.
Meanwhile, about 246.7 miles back, sat Franklin: “myphhh TOOPHHH id broked,” he cried.
Regular winced as he stuck his hand in the snow to reduce the swelling on the three knuckles he broke on Franklin’s mouth.
Max and his dogs were still having a wonderful time with the two chicks from “thebitchgirls.com,” blog.
Need I say more?
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
BIDEN
24% 22,248
PALIN
74% 68,117
NEITHER
2% 1,794
Total Votes: 92,159
First poll numbers
“Does that mean you get to smack me around?”
—-No! Would a hug and an explanation next time I see you be OK? I don’t understand a lot…
Drudge?
Yeah, that’s credible.
About as credible as a woman who exploits prison labor to finance her blogging.
Her colloquial kick off your shoes, was inappropriate for the forum. The Hey, Joe say it ain’t so, line was very inappropriate, and obviously thought of before hand (bet that’s why barracuda asked him when they introduced if she could call him Joe?). Biden caught himsel calling her Sarrah Palin and corrected to Gov. Palin. She didn’t show him equal respect.
The focus group of undecideds in Frank Luntz’s on Fox decided overwhelmingly in favor of Palin, when asked who they thought won the debate. And several expressed they would change their vote to McCain based on Palin’s performance.
He predicts a significant electoral effect.
shoes attitude,…
Outlander’s funny. independent focus group on fox! LOL
A hug I can handle:-) An explanation would require you to be from California, as I am:-) again.
Frank Luntz?
Feature fixture on Hannity and colmes.
Well as a life long democrat I do have say I had reservations about this debate. I’ll admit I was swayed by all the negatives the media is throwing at us about Palin and spoofing her.
But I have to admit, this woman held her own against a 30+ year career politician. She did very well and I found her appealing to many of my own feelings about things. Her non-political speak is almost like a breath of fresh air.
And bless Biden’s heart, but he did turn every question into a debate about the past (Bush). He looked old doing so against such a fresh face.
Biden was calm, cool, and collected and held his own and stood up for the people. But he did sound a lot like a long time politician. I guess his experience forces that impression. But it made him appear a little “good old boy” if you know what I mean.
Her comment that we were back to pre-surge troop levels, I believe was a gaffe, as well as ‘white flag of surrender’ (big mistake, even the cons. here aren’t using that one anymore) and ‘victory is in sight’ my god was she channeling GWB?
“undecideds”
“several expressed they would change their vote to McCain based on Palin’s performance. ”
That aint what the CNN live time graph of undecided voters showed.
They weren’t too undecided if that debate was all it took! A v.p. debate at that.
dionysus, maybe it is a generational thing. I had the impression McCain was in the past and Obama in the present and future during their debate. Of course, it would have been by design that Biden tied McCain / Palin to bush. They are, after all, following his economical, foreign, and now tonight we learn increased VP powers policies.
“white flag of surrender” is a Hannityism.
Perhaps con radio wall banger Sean Hannity suggested this to her in his interview with her two days ago.
Disowned the current admin., while adopting his same policies down the line, and declared them change. Now that’s some hocus pocus.
And NOTE the pause BEFORE the Hannityism “white flag” bit.
It was like a slow computer. “Uh” (buffering)
(file found. white flag of surrender.)
Addressing 3rd graders with a ’shoutout’ was crazy. Couple times I thought her response was going to be ‘backatcha’.
CNN’s instant poll of debate watchers showed 51/38 Biden. Those who thought she was qualified to be president moved up from 4 points, from 42 percent to 46. Other polls will show a more even split, no doubt, but I think we know who won.
But the Republicans have some reason to be happy. It wasn’t a total disaster. But, as the pundits are repeatedly pointing out, the momentum is still with Obama, and this ain’t gonna change it.
Now will Ms. Sarah kindly come out of her undisclosed location, and campaign like a normal candidate?
CBS uncommitteds
46% Biden wins
21% Palin wins.
After bush colloquialism in the W.H. just isn’t what it used to be.
Joe Biden 10 times and Rove is telling this on Fox right now.
insert lied
sorry
I suspect cbs numbers will hold up. This was no home run, but she did get on base.
oops–36 percent for Palin–the guy on the tube just corrected me. <:-)
“Now will Ms. Sarah kindly come out of her undisclosed location, and campaign like a normal candidate?”
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Great question! I wish Ifill had asked that one and gotten her on record. I am of the opinion she isn’t ready for unscripted.
Karl Rove. Ah, there’s a credible, objective source!
re: Comment by Biden on Cheney
Hmmm, just realized that Biden said Article I of the Constitution covers the Executive Branch. It doesn’t, that’s article 2.
Article I covers the Legislative branch.
For an attorney, Biden’s not the brightest bulb in the room.
That’s even plausible. Don’t think she swayed many independents over. Too many winks, too.
She hung words together in full sentences that could be understood. No, the words didn’t answer the questions asked, but what an improvement!
OK, what does everyone think about the Constitution b3eing “flexible” and allowing the VP increased powers?
I’m glad she wasn’t destroyed.
Cons would have been happy to throw her under the bus.
Now? She will be the gift that keeps on giving!
Damn! How is the media going to keep picking on Palin for her lack of experience, and being a mom out of her league – after this stunning debate?
She smacked the old fart! She positively appeared like a regular human being and blue collar person, while Joe wanted to be one of us – he was obviously NOT.
I liked the “nearly a tear” technique. He must have learned that one from Hillary. It’s a secret emotional tactic used to secretly appeal to the bleeding hearts of liberalism.
But this young politician was every bit his equal. And him with all the “so called” experience! Many others which much more experience would not have faired so well.
And Biden?
Question:
What are you going to do for America?
Answer:
“Well the last 8 years under Bush sucked.”
“Change”
Question:
“So what are you going to do about it?
Answer:
“Well the last 8 years under Bush sucked.”
“Change”
O.K., let’s try a new question Joe. What would you do about the war in Iraq?
Answer:
“Well the last 8 years under Bush sucked.”
“Change”
So what Joe are you going to do differently?
Answer:
“Well McCain is Bush. McCain is Bush. McCain is Bush.” “Change”
Question: What about nuclear weapons?
Answer:
“Well McCain is Bush. McCain is Bush. McCain is Bush.” “Change”
In short, Biden was extremely successful at communicating to the American people the democrats strategy for this election:
1. Bush sucks.
2. McCain is Bush.
3. Change
That’s about it in a nutshell.
For an attorney, Biden’s not the brightest bulb in the room.
So he misspoke. Big whoop. The essence of his point still stands: the only thing connecting the VP to the legislative branch is the tiebreaking authority. Cheney, incredibly, claimed alternately to be in either branch to avoid legal accountability. The dangerous lawless power abuse of his VP tenure has been self-evident.
Apparently Ms. Palin had no problem with it.
Remember — half of Americans are below average…
I believe it was palin saying ‘bush sucks’, while endorsing his policies, interspersed with winks and mavericks, and refor, and change.
Maybe that’s the deal mccain gave her, co-equals.
Biden came across as the usual slick politician. He even bragged about his “big beautiful home.”
Gov. Palin showed herself as a middle class American with the same issues as most Americans – and an understanding of same.
Biden continually looked behind pointing fingers.
Sarah offered fresh perspective.
He spoke Washington-ese like he was arguing to a jury.
She spoke to Americans.
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lindainks55
Posted October 2, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink
She hung words together in full sentences that could be understood. No, the words didn’t answer the questions asked, but what an improvement!
OK, what does everyone think about the Constitution b3eing “flexible” and allowing the VP increased powers?
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I don’t know about increased powers, but increased duties would be fine.
Of course, when the founders outlined the office of the Vice President, it could be from any party.
So, the political impetus has changed dramatically.
Kill shot?
Palin did windfall profits tax on oil companies in Alaska.
But McCain OPPOSES windfall profit tax for oil companies in US.
Change
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[cheynj] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation verb, changed, chang·ing, noun
–verb (used with object) 1. to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone: to change one’s name; to change one’s opinion; to change the course of history.
2. to transform or convert (usually fol. by into): The witch changed the prince into a toad.
3. to substitute another or others for; exchange for something else, usually of the same kind: She changed her shoes when she got home from the office.
4. to give and take reciprocally; interchange: to change places with someone.
5. to transfer from one (conveyance) to another: You’ll have to change planes in Chicago.
6. to give or get smaller money in exchange for: to change a five-dollar bill.
7. to give or get foreign money in exchange for: to change dollars into francs.
8. to remove and replace the covering or coverings of: to change a bed; to change a baby.
It should be readily apparent that with the Bush Administration coming to an end, there will by default, be change.
Is this all about dumbing down the political rhetoric to reach unintelligent people who do not realize change is obvious and inevitable?
This is not the first campaign where CHANGE for CHANGE sake has become an issue, or word game.
It means nothing.
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Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink
Was nice of Biden to admit that Governor Palin did the right think on the windfall profits tax on oil companies.
Thanks, Reggie. Biden absolutely nailed her on that point, as McCain’s policies would do the exact opposite. She seemed pretty rattled there for a moment–almost sad.
Then she got back to business.
“Gov. Palin showed herself as a middle class American with the same issues as most Americans – and an understanding of same.”
What average American has a tanning bed in their house?
What average American can have one spouse go off on snow machine races?
What average American owns an airplane?
What average American can afford a Down syndrome baby?
Sarah six gun I’ll buy. Sarah six pack? No.
BlueJay
Posted October 2, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink
“undecideds”
“several expressed they would change their vote to McCain based on Palin’s performance. ”
That aint what the CNN live time graph of undecided voters showed.
————————————————–didn’t you post earlier that the live graph was fro Ohio unbdecided voters?
Biden should’ve jumped on her when she brought up her appointments she’s made, the old GOB(G)N thing. If as she said she wants to bring the non-partisanship enjoyed in Alaska to Washington, why does she say her troopergate investigation is partisan?
Well, I am happy for Palin. She proved herself worthy. Smart a$$ liberal creeps who treated her condescendingly can crawl back under their rocks.
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Rage
Posted October 2, 2008 at 10:36 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink
Was nice of Biden to admit that Governor Palin did the right think on the windfall profits tax on oil companies.
Thanks, Reggie. Biden absolutely nailed her on that point, as McCain’s policies would do the exact opposite. She seemed pretty rattled there for a moment–almost sad.
Then she got back to business.
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Well, not everyone can agree on everything, even on the same ticket.
I’m sure that Biden disagrees with Obama on a lot of issues. Sometimes Biden gaffes the speak and actually says what’s on his mind, then re-translates what he said in Senator speak.
There is nothing “flexible” about the VP’s powers in the Article II. In fact, there’s almost nothing there.
But it’s entirely consistent with what we’ve seen in the Bush administration, or in Mayor and Governor Palin’s administrations, to see powers that exist without specific authorization.
The CNN graph was based on Ohio undecided voters.
Biden consistently out performed mostly flat Sarah.
When it gets down to the substance mccain/palin-same as bush/cheney(with bigger breasts).
Smart a$$ liberal creeps who treated her condescendingly can crawl back under their rocks.
Wrong. The bar has been raised. Let her face the press like a normal candidate.
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Rage
Posted October 2, 2008 at 10:40 pm | Permalink
There is nothing “flexible” about the VP’s powers in the Article II. In fact, there’s almost nothing there.
But it’s entirely consistent with what we’ve seen in the Bush administration, or in Mayor and Governor Palin’s administrations, to see powers that exist without specific authorization.
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Depends on what school of thought you belong to.
One school is strict constructionists, as in Supreme Court Justice Scalia.
Others are interpretative in that if the Constitution doesn’t define it, then it’s open for interpretation, which by the way is subject to personal ideology.
And that John M. is the same as Bush fails to recognize this man’s service to our nation and in the US Congress extends decades before Bush.
“McCain earned the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
McCain was first elected to political office on November 2, 1982, easily winning a seat in the House of Representatives after his well-known war record helped overcome doubts about his “carpetbagger” status. He was re-elected in 1984.
Having adapted well to the largely conservative politics of his home state, McCain was a loyal supporter of the Reagan administration and numbered among a group of young “new Right.”
In 1986, after the retirement of the longtime Arizona senator and prominent Republican Barry Goldwater, McCain won election to the U.S. Senate. Both in the House and the Senate, McCain earned a reputation as a conservative politician who nonetheless was not afraid to question the ruling Republican orthodoxy. In 1983, for example, he called for the withdrawal of U.S. Marines from Lebanon, and he also publicly criticized the administration´s handling of the Iran-Contra affair.
The list continues to present day.
Experience in war does NOT equal Bush.
Experience in the US House does NOT equal Bush.
Experience in the US Senate does NOT equal Bush.”
Bush is not John Mccain and John Mccain does not equal Bush.
A carefully crafted campaign trick, and a very useful one to paint the two as one in the same.
But voters know honesty and the truth. How many other members of the house and senate voted with their OWN party leaders during their tenure in Congress? Almost ALL.
OBama has barely two years in congress. He is still wet behind the ears. Mccain has been serving our nation when Obama was still asking for hall passes in school.
The Unitary arguement?
“Mccain knows how to win wars”, I expected Biden to for one example of that.
The anticipation was better than the real thing. It was (at best) a draw even if you take into consideration average Americans who aren’t well informed.
On to next Tuesday for the second presidential debate.
Palin did a gazillion times better tonight than in the few interviews she has done.
So, now when will she give an impromptu interview, a press conference, hang around after a speech for questions from members of the press, participate in a town hall meeting by answering questions from the public, interacting vs introducing McCain with a script full of talking points? Than she will be like other candidates!
As a caller on Talk Radio said the other day:
Even if McCain is another 4 years of Bush, I would rather have that than another 4 years of Carter.
“I would rather have that than another 4 years of Carter.”
That caller may have been alive when Carter was President Nathan.
Were you?
What average American can afford a Down syndrome baby?
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I know of several. Its not easy but they mangage. Guess its just a matter of how bad you want something.
Seriously though. We have heard nothing for the last week other than how bad Palin will be or do.
It is safe to say that Palin did far better than most people thought she would.
I liked alot of her answers, but she did completely miss the question a couple of times.
Some of the questions seemed like the typical fluff interview questions you would be asked when applying for a job.
“Do you have any weakness?”
“What would you do differently?”
I could think of a hundred different questions, as I am sure some of you liberals could as well, which would have been far better than those types of “fluff” questions.
Oh well.
Of course we get a question on Global Warming and Homosexuals…
I would like to have seen a question on gun rights… like that would ever happen though.
A trend I did notice, is that when Palin or Biden were talking bad about each other or their running mates, the “meter” went down or remained stagnant.
(I was wtaching it on CNN HD, they had more gadgets going on… LOL)
Come on people, Sarah kicked Joe’s Azz.
Let us count the ways:
*She winked a lot more than Joe
*She could not pronounce nuclear
*She said “you betcha” a lot more often than Joe did
*She said maverick many times, Joe said that word very few times
*She said we must stay in Iraq or wave the flag of surrender (my favorite)
*She is just a lot cuter than Biden
Nathaniel posted October 2, 2008 at 10:56 pm
“Of course we get a question on Global Warming and Homosexuals… ”
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Do you disagree with both Palin and Biden re hospital visitation rights, etc for “Homosexuals”?
And for your education, Nathaniel. Your friends Avery, Milloy, and others are featured.
‘Smoke and CO2: How to Spin Global Warming‘
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK8db2sue0Q
H/T to http://www.desmogblog.com/smoke-and-c02-how-to-spin-global-warming-video
Come on, Cosmos, Sarah did real well on the global warning trap set for her. She said (roughly) “yes the climate is changing, but we don’t know that it is all caused by man.”
Hank, my hero, says that. Therefore, it must be true.
And with that, the “Straight Talk Express” rolls slowly across a Bridge to Nowhere.
It will be interesting to see Sarah.Palin’s next move. She’ll never be on another GOP Presidential ticket–mark my words, it’ll be Petraeus in 2012, and she won’t play second fiddle–and she isn’t what I’d call Senatorial Timber. But it’s also clear that she is utterly brazen, quite ruthless, somewhat wily, and completely dishonest.
So I don’t know where she goes after this. But she clearly is well-provisioned with the total self-assurance of the robotically un-self-aware. She really is a newscaster.
Oh, and Biden was magnificent.
*She said we must stay in Iraq or wave the flag of surrender (my favorite)
But she adroitly pointed out that McCain/Palin is not the Bush/Cheney administration. Yeaaaaaahhhh….
CF2K,
You can’t appreciate the brillance of Palin??? All those winks did not move you (you know where) – such brings into question your manhood, dude.
She did great….
And with that, the “Hope and Change” will continue to change into being neither.
It will be interesting to see Joe Biden’s next move. He’ll never be on another Democratic Presidential ticket–mark my words, it’ll be Clinton in 2012, and she won’t play second fiddle. But it’s also clear that He is utterly brazen, quite ruthless, somewhat wily, and completely dishonest.
So I don’t know where He goes after this. But he clearly is well-provisioned with the total self-assurance of the robotically un-self-aware. He really is a newscaster.
Oh, and Palin was magnificent.
Night, all. I am going to have some very plesant dreams about my girl, Sarah. Yeaaaaah…
CNN is re airing the debate.
Palin just said she wanted government back on my side.
Um. Help!
Or not. If she could JUST get John McCain to tell me more about those 40 dollar an hour lettuce picking jobs?
But failing that? Help!
She reminds me of an old sketch from “Not Necessarily the News” when Reagan was President.
Reagan is asked, “I’m poor, what should I do?”
Reagan answers, “Shut up!”
The great Gov. of Alaska, Sarah “Hockey Mom” Palin, who is McCain’s “energy expert”, will make the U.S. of America “energy independent”!
Or maybe not?
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ogp/fig_3.html
And you really have to enjoy Gov. Palin’s past LIES about drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge only needing a little 2,000-acre “plot“.
http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html
Will Sen. McCain defend Gov. Palin’s LIES, in his next 2 debates?
BlueJay,
Why do you want to know about those lettuce picking jobs when you don’t work for anyone anymore, right?
I don’t think I’d have some one standing over me while I pick lettuce there Nathan.
I do value my independence. But 40 bucks an hour is pretty tempting!
Show me the money.
Or? Let John McCain admit that he lied.
Nathaniel posted October 2, 2008 at 11:25 pm
“Oh, and Palin was magnificent.”
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So McCain will flip-flop, and resume campaigning in Michigan?
BlueJay,
You are a walking contradiction. One day it is you vs the man and the next day you will be picking lettuce for the man because the pay is good.
LOL
If I wasn’t tired I would go find your quote about not ever working for anyone ever again or something like that…
Nathaniel. . .
Sen. McCain agrees with AGW science, and supports scientific integrity.
Gov. Palin disagrees with AGW science, and does NOT support scientific integrity.
‘Sarah Palin puts polar bears on thin ice‘
http://www.desmogblog.com/sarah-palin-puts-polar-bears-on-thin-ice
“It turns out that Sarah Palin has played a starring role in the science fiction drama. The UK Guardian breaks the news.”
‘Palin fought safeguards for polar bears with studies by climate change sceptics· Some scientists cited had been funded by oil industry
Governor tries to overturn threatened species ruling’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/30/uselections2008.sarahpalin1
“The citation by Palin and her officials prompted complaints from Congress. One member, Brad Miller, dubbed the polar bear study phony science.
Palin told Miller: “Attempts to discredit scientists…simply because their analyses do not agree with your views, would be a disservice to this country.”
Miller now says that Palin’s use of the paper shows she differs greatly from John McCain, the Republican presidential contender, who has pressed for scientific integrity. “Turning to the cottage industry of scientists who are funded because they spread doubt about global warming is not integrity,” Miller said.”
“If I wasn’t tired I would go find your quote ”
Cop out.
Even in a union job where I was a fighting union member I did not make anywhere near 40 dollars an hour.
My point in this is not MY willingness to take the job that pays the best.
It is to point out that John McCain is a liar.
Biden is wrong on the Constitution.
He has Article 1 and Article 2 mixed up.
Biden is wrong on Obama’s votes.
Biden is wrong on McCain’s votes.
I wish Biden would have talked about FDR going on TV, in 1929 when the market crashed.
(Actually, Hoover was President, and there were no TV’s yet — but maybe Biden invented TV’s like Gore invented the internet?)
cosmos_originally
Posted October 2, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink
Nathaniel posted October 2, 2008 at 11:25 pm
“Oh, and Palin was magnificent.”
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So McCain will flip-flop, and resume campaigning in Michigan?
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That’s what all politicians do
Reagan is asked, “I’m poor, what should I do?”
Answer: Get off your ass and get a job and stop expecting the government to support you
Hey, Paul F. Rossell, just simplify it, Obama and Biden are wrong about everything.
Dude, don’t make it so complicated….
“Dude, don’t make it so complicated….”
Must be that WSU education getting in your way. Ha!
Freebird1971 posted October 3, 2008 at 12:00 am
cosmos_originally
Posted October 2, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink
Nathaniel posted October 2, 2008 at 11:25 pm
“Oh, and Palin was magnificent.”
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So McCain will flip-flop, and resume campaigning in Michigan?
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That’s what all politicians do
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Okay Freebird1971.
Please let us know when McCain resumes campaigning in Michigan.
Don’t know if he will or won’t and frankly don’t give a flip
“I wish Biden would have talked about FDR going on TV, in 1929 when the market crashed.
(Actually, Hoover was President, and there were no TV’s yet — but maybe Biden invented TV’s like Gore invented the internet?)”
Dude! FDR spoke on the radio in 1929. Are you as dumb as our Dem opponents? Thinking dumbazses would like to know!
Sorry, this chatter has lost its appeal…too busy blasting emails to the Virginia Education Association! Seems there’s some blatant pro-Obama indoctrination going on in the classroom, with the full support of the VEA leadership.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/02/teachers-union-e-mail-touting-obama-draws-backlash/?comment_page=5
Time to do a little checking on our own local teachers’ union, I think.
Rage
Posted October 2, 2008 at 10:28 pm | Permalink
For an attorney, Biden’s not the brightest bulb in the room.
So he misspoke. Big whoop. The essence of his point still stands: the only thing connecting the VP to the legislative branch is the tiebreaking authority. Cheney, incredibly, claimed alternately to be in either branch to avoid legal accountability. The dangerous lawless power abuse of his VP tenure has been self-evident.
Apparently Ms. Palin had no problem with it.
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“The essence of his point still stands: the only thing connecting the VP to the legislative branch is the tiebreaking authority.”
That is basically WHY Biden referenced Article 1 — To show the true function of the VP… to vote in the Senate (legislative) in the case of a tie… I dont think he mis-spoke on that one…
He went on to talk about where the VP Constitutional Duties are spelled out — In Article 2 — Executive….
C’mon y’all… Biden might not be the brightest bulb…. But he aint half bad as a Constitutional Lawyer!! LOL
“(Actually, Hoover was President, and there were no TV’s yet — but maybe Biden invented TV’s like Gore invented the internet?)”
ACTUALLY… There was TV… in New York City… in 1929… it was not commercial TV… and it was still experimental… but it DID work…
FDR DID speak on radio following the 1929 Crash…. Good grief… it was his JOB to get on the air, and do what he could to calm down his people, as Governor of New York…
We went through this scenario days ago…
Back when people called “TV — Radio with pictures”…. google: “TV – Radio with pictures”
It’s too late to go get the link AGAIN…
You need to have ALL synapses connected, and working to listen to Joe sometimes… His entire point of his slight gaffe about Roosevelt and TV, was to make the point that Roosevelt used the mass media to convey his message to his people… Who really gies a rat’s ass if it was a Radio address… a Newspaper piece… or smoke signals!! Geez!! If some people were only that picky of ms. Palin!!
When I was in New Mexico, they paid $40 per hour for picking lettuce…. But it wasnt $40 per hour per person… It was $40 per hour per CREW.. A crew had about 6 – 8 workers on it.
Thats what?? $5 – $6+ per hour per person??
Lets attempt to keep a few facts straight…
Seems McCain doesnt know how a migrant CREW get paid… dumbkopf!!
I see that Chas is still pushing the “radio with pictures” to cover up Biden’s gaffe.
Chas, the whole world knows Biden screwed up but you. It’s even be printed in liberal press about his screw up.
Let it go Chas,
you
are
just
wrong
Thats roughly $215 per week per person… with NO benefits… NO housing… NO meals…
Doesnt go very far…. SO, you send mama and the kids into town, to the market, to sell blankets (not too bad either) for aout $5 each, and beads (about $2 a string)…. That usually paid for a couple of meals…
They paid better for picking cotton… and for picking cabbage, and digging beets and potatoes… not much… but better….
I think Sarah Palin did an AWESOME job tonight. I was very worried about her and sent up a few prayers for her, knowing that the odds were definitely not in her favor. There were so many hurdles that she was up against that it was unreal: a very biased liberal media; a moderator who stands to rake in a nice little bundle of cash if Obama wins (and she was thankfully and surprisingly fair to both candidates); a debate against a seasoned senator who’s done this a few times; intense and sometimes unfair scrutiny of both her political and private life; and a slight decline in her popularity thanks to Gibsons’ and Kourics’ badly staged interviews. But God was with her tonight. . . and she came out shining.
To be just, Biden did do a good job tonight, and behaved decently toward Sarah (although that was probably mostly because he was warned by the Obama camp not to be too hard on her). But while he has more experience and expertise, he will never have one thing that Sarah naturally posesses. For all his wealth of knowledge, Joe Biden is simply not a communicator. And to be honest, he’s not the most exciting person on the planet to listen to.
Sarah really knows how to connect with her audiences. She’s warm, engaging, dynamic, spirited, articulate and gracious to her opponents – a true lady in every sense of the word. She’s just what America needs. And so what if she may be a little bit inexperienced? She’s a very sharp lady and capable of quickly learning what she needs to know.
She’s just what America needs, whether they realize it or not. She has much to offer our country, and will be a very charming and delightful VP or even President, yet also a very capable one as well.
McCain and Palin to the White House in ‘08!
Regular
Posted October 3, 2008 at 1:07 am | Permalink
I see that Chas is still pushing the “radio with pictures” to cover up Biden’s gaffe.
Chas, the whole world knows Biden screwed up but you. It’s even be printed in liberal press about his screw up.
Let it go Chas,
you
are
just
wrong
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Why dont you PROVE me wrong, instead of just sitting there typing how wrong I am???
Could it be that if yu do the google search, you will find that I am, actually, VERY RIGHT??? And you are just doing your usual?? Blowing SMOKE up your own hind end??? (you wish you could)
Look, all I have heard from you and your Gang of Thugs, is how wrong I am… But yet, in all of this time…. YOU REFUSE TO SHOW HOW OR WHERE I AM WRONG!!!
TYPICAL REICH WING NAZI…. ALL OF YOU ARE JUST NO GOOD NAZIS!!! GO GOOSE STEP IN SOME TOWN SOMEWHERE THAT WANTS YOUR BS!!
GOOD NIGHT; GOOD LUCK; GOD BLESS —-
WHATEVER YOU CONCEIVE GOD TO BE!!
BLESSINGS ALL!!
BLESSINGS ON SONS OF BIDEN AND PALIN….
SO MOTE IT BE!!
It’s 300 million to 1 Chas, you’ve been outvoted by a nation of citizens who knew that Biden screwed up.
It was in all the papers, on radio and TV.
Your stance is as one person who happens to be wrong, with 300 million people saying your wrong.
You are just wrong Chas. Biden screwed up in his analysis.
Deal with it and deal with admitting your wrong.
I think you should get check for blood flow in your brain Chas.
No doubt some impaired thinking on your part.
Biden does not know the difference between Gaza and the West Bank.
Hamas did NOT take over the West Bank!
From “the corner” Blog:
“Joe Biden threw out a lot of bunk on foreign policy tonight, too bad Gov Palin didn’t have the foreign policy wonkishness to call him on it. Most ridiculous and downright strange was his contention that the Bush administration let Hezbollah into Lebanon, and then when “we threw them out” – whatever that means, he and Obama said NATO should go in but nobody took them up on it and now Hezbollah was all over Lebanon and that’s a problem. What?
Well, Hezbollah’s been there since the early 1980’s of course, blossoming throughout the 1990’s to become now over a third of the population of Lebanon with 2 cabinet members, a host of parliamentarians, and schools, clinics, and basically an entirely separate governance infrastructure in all of southern Lebanon and elsewhere. I suppose the throwing out of Hezbollah was the dismal and failed Israeli campaign of 2006 which dislodged nothing? Or was it Israeli’s occupation of Southern Lebanon from 1982 – 1999? Don’t remember an Obama position on NATO replacing Israeli occupation then. As for NATO going in after the 2006 debacle, well, I’m the one who rounded up 8,000 French and Italians and a few thousand other Euros to go into Southern Lebanon along with an assortment of others in August 2006 and while working that issue for about 40 straight days I don’t remember a peep from Biden or Obama about NATO – which wouldn’t be budged despite our intense pressure in Mons. So, we went straight to Rome and Paris. Que sera, sera.”
Franklin
Posted October 3, 2008 at 4:03 am | Permalink
Biden does not know the difference between Gaza and the West Bank.
Hamas did NOT take over the West Bank!
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Are you actually claiming that Hamas did NOT win the Palestinian elections???
BTW, Like I said earlier JAMES, PROVE ME WRONG on what Biden said about Roosevelt!!!
All you are doing is spouting insults and ad hominems…. HAVE GUTS MAN, PROVE WHAT I AM ARGUING IS WRONG!! YOU HAVENT DONE IT YET… PUT UP, OR SHUT UP, FOOL!!
My favorite line was when Palin called them Obama and Obiden… anyone else hear that? LOL!
This nic-switcher is SO OBVIOUS to any regular poster here. And who shows up as soon as this typical stalking troll leaves?
KandiNathan
Posted October 2, 2008 at 11:05 pm | Permalink
Come on people, Sarah kicked Joe’s Azz.
Let us count the ways:
KandiNathan
Posted October 2, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink
Night, all. I am going to have some very plesant dreams about my girl, Sarah. Yeaaaaah…
KandiNathan
Posted October 3, 2008 at 12:11 am | Permalink
Hey, Paul F. Rossell, just simplify it, Obama and Biden are wrong about everything.
Dude, don’t make it so complicated….
KandiNathan
Posted October 3, 2008 at 12:13 am | Permalink
“Dude, don’t make it so complicated….”
KandiNathan
Posted October 3, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink
“I wish Biden would have
Chas
Posted October 3, 2008 at 12:32 am | Permalink
Factcheck weighs in on Vice Presidential Debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html
“Dude! FDR spoke on the radio in 1929. Are you as dumb as our Dem opponents? Thinking dumbazses would like to know!”
In what, his capacity as governor of New York? FDR wasn’t elected president until 1932, and didn’t assume office until 1933.
Of course, KandiNathan is as obvious and pathetic troll as Kandisue.
I saw this on another blog –
Joe Biden had a moment that I can really, personally relate two. He was talking about understanding how it is to have a child in jeopardy when he choked up. Of course, he was referring to his own personal tragedy – his loss of a child and his wife in a car accident, along with the critical injury of two more children.
I lost 3 children with my first wife many years ago. They were triplets born at 22 and 1/2 weeks. Old enough to try to breathe, but with no lungs to breathe with. None of them survived more than minutes. Each had a name, and each still stays with me – even as I am years past this with a wonderful family now. It was more than devestating, it made my first wife crazy, and destroyed that marriage.
Now, I’m not telling all of you this to engender sympathy. As I mentioned, I now have a wonderful, full life with an incredible wife and beautiful children. I’m bringing this up, because of what that experience was – and how horrendous it was that Sarah You-Betcha ignored it.
It is the worst thing that any adult could ever go through, and every parent – thankfully most never experience it – but they all know that’s the case. I’m assuming that includes Sarah Palin, since she has five children.
But her response – well, her response was to not even acknowledge that this very authentic, very real man – a candidate with no veneer – had suffered through this and that it still hurt. No, “I’m so sorry for your loss” or any compassion of any kind. Rather, she talked about how she and McCain were mavericks.
It was so blatant and stupid. And I wouldn’t have blamed Joe Biden if he had walked across the stage and slapped her. And she surely deserved it.
More importantly, it was at that moment – the very moment when it was time to be a “compassionate conservative,” she acted just like the valley girl teenager she speaks like. And it is that immature stupidity is how she lost the debate.
A McPalin administration would differ from Shrub’s in one way: there’s be no attempted semblance of “compassionate” CONservatism.
Morning talk verdict unanimous.
Biden win.
Monkeyspank- More importantly, it was at that moment – the very moment when it was time to be a “compassionate conservative,” she acted just like the valley girl teenager she speaks like. And it is that immature stupidity is how she lost the debate.
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Wahhh.
BTW, She won.
She survive biased.
To fail another day.
“Say it aint so Joe, there you go again.”
CANNED!
Hell they reprogrammed her so much I doubt she can remember her kids names.
She won? Not according to the overnight polls. And not according to the snap polls. But then we know, you only listen to polls when they say what you want them to say.
Sure. Everything’s fine. Mcsame and the moose dresser are well on their way to winning the White House. Dont worry. Be happy.
heheheheheh. Cant wait until the first Wednesday in November…
This blog’s gonna be awash in tears and vitriol. From the right side of the blog.
Monkeyank-
“Now, I’m not telling all of you this to engender sympathy”
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Was Joe? If so, where is it’s place in a debate?
Fine fodder for Oprah, but not a debate.
If not, then why wouldn’t she “ignore” it.
She won in every poll I’ve heard about.
She won about 3-1 in most call ins.
Joe, poor joe got smoked.
“BlueJay” –
And that’s the key.
Biden won; the Moose-Dresser didn’t lose. Gwen Ifill didn’t throw it to Biden. There were no “gotcha” moments. Bullwinkle’s Assassin didn’t embarrass the CONs, she simply didn’t have the goods on substantive issues to win.
Over the years, both sides of the political spectrum have complained that these debates revert to talking points and pre-scripted quips. On that level, Bible Spice succeeded beyond all expectations.
We started the evening playing the Drinking Game. Twenty minutes in we had to suspend the “When she says ‘maverick’ take a drink” rule since we were getting too wasted. Had we not done that I’d be posting this morning from a gutter.
“She won in every poll I’ve heard about.
She won about 3-1 in most call ins.”
Links please? Or, if you are too dumb to post a link, how about at least a reference to the polls where she “won”?
Or is that, once again, from the Dept. Of Things You Pulled From Your Ass?
Biden didn’t win, neither did Palin.
There was no vote where everyone voted.
Again, MonkeyHock is thinking with his fingers, without his mind being in gear.
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…
BIDEN
28% 97,337
PALIN
70% 240,302
NEITHER
2% 5,863
Total Votes: 343,502
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Who won the vice presidential debate?
Sarah Palin
Joseph Biden
It was a draw.
Who won the vice presidential debate?
Sarah Palin
51% (82 votes)
Joseph Biden
47% (76 votes)
It was a draw.
2% (3 votes)
Total Votes: 161
WE
Ksfrmgrrlicker- Or, if you are too dumb to post a link,
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Bite me, do your own work.
Try to look somewhere other than Huffington, moveon or politico……
There IS a real world out there.
Lowering expectations worked.
To a point.
We were ALL of us expecting Sarah Palin to be completely and very obviously destroyed. SO we weren’t looking at details.
There is demolition in those details I think.
Consider Sarah Palin’s obvious scripting. Does she HAVE any words of her own?
“There you go again.” Ronald Reagan
“Wave the white flag of surrender.” Radio shill Sean Hannity.
Too, remember, her JOB was to attack Senator Obama. She got little chance at that for having to defend herself and HER running mate.
In appearance, it is a draw, style points to Biden.
Tactically, Palin lost.
Strategically, Palin lost.
Who won the VP debate? * 743182 responses
Joe Biden
51%
Sarah Palin
39%
Tie
4.5%
Not sure
5.7%
Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding.
MSN
?Bite me, do your own work.”
OMG, I’m LAUGHING so hard I can hardly breathe!!!!
Hee hee hee heeeeeeeeeeee!
So, the assertion you made WAS pulled from your ass?
Thanks for confirming.
You got nothing. But Drudge. DRUDGE?
Hee hee hee heee. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
The shark called…
MH swoons –
“this very authentic, very real man – a candidate with no veneer – ”
He says this, speaking of Biden. I had to grip the arms of my chair to keep from falling out laughing.
Biden. Authentic.
And MH actually put those two words in the same sentence!
This referring to the master of the stolen speech. Biden’s a lot of things; some very good, some bad. But with that practiced, perfect smile, “authentic” is absolutely NOT one of them.
Given his history, Biden’s lucky he didn’t go off about FDR on TV(!?) again. Frankly, whether you like her or not (again, valid differences of opinion here), the one thing Palin IS is “authentic.”
Maybe, MH, you just inserted the wrong name.
BeeJay- We were ALL of us expecting Sarah Palin to be completely and very obviously destroyed. SO we weren’t looking at details.
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But she wasn’t, and you should have. Poor libtards misunderestimated the oposition again.
Bad day in la-la-liberal land today.
From the media reaction it’s obvious who won the debate.
“Surpassed expectations”
“We don’t vote for VP anyway”
are just a couple of the comments I have heard on morning shows this morning.
“This blog’s gonna be awash in tears and vitriol. From the right side of the blog.”
What if Gore or Kerry loses?
Oh yeah, they lost. And as a result
we have seen the tears and vitriol for 8 years.
If Obama loses, There will be riots.
If McCain loses, those who voged for him will simply go back to their jobs.
If McCain loses, those who voted for him will simply go back to their jobs.
Another HHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE defeat for libtards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man I’m going to have a good weekend.
Another thing I’ve heard this morning:
“The question is did she sway any undecided voters”
New phrase: Palin envy.
So kia, POLLS, please? Or if you want just random comments, I can provide those too!
Drudge? Fux News?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
The puppy got me up at five, so I’ve been watching the morning shows too. I guess I’m just not watching FUX to see what you see.
Mr_Kia
Posted October 3, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink
From the media reaction it’s obvious who won the debate.
“Surpassed expectations”
“We don’t vote for VP anyway”
are just a couple of the comments I have heard on morning shows this morning.
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hahahah!!!!!!! No lie.
The ‘tards want to bury this debate ASAP.
hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope biASSED and rfl and kia and the whole hee haw gang have the guts to show up here, under those nics, on the first Wednesday in November. But I suspect what we will hear is…
(crickets chirping)
Just keep thinking everything is fine and mcsame and bible spice will win. Really. You should just keep thinking that…
You got nothing. But Drudge. DRUDGE?
Hee hee hee heee. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
The shark called…
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The point is KFG, polls have little meaning.
If you go to a right leaning site, Palin won.
If you go to a left leaning site, Biden won.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 3, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink
So kia, POLLS, please? Or if you want just random comments, I can provide those too!
Drudge? Fux News?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
The puppy got me up at five, so I’ve been watching the morning shows too. I guess I’m just not watching FUX to see what you see.
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Those actually came out of Tom Brokaw’s mouth.
I don’t pay too much attention to the polls in this election as only around 5 states actually count.
This blog’s gonna be awash in tears and vitriol. From the right side of the blog.
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One thing that I don’t get is the concept of victory the left has. Conservatives will be in despair in the event of an Obama win. Why would we be?
Politicos doen’ want to hear this, but if the savior Obama is the answer to all our problems and he wins, we will all share in that. It’s not like the benefits accrue to Democrats only. It’s not like you will get special rewards for being good little Democrats. And with politicians, you will almost always end up being disappointed.
Real victories happen in real life.
Sure thing Anti and Kia. Sure thing. mscame and Carribu Barbie are ahead, they will stay ahead, and they will win.
Youbetchya.
Just keep repeating that…
See ya here in November.
Yer doggone right outie. You betchya. Just keep thinking that…
Headline Jan 20, 2009:
HE’S GONE!!
LET THE RECOVERY BEGIN!!
DOW JONES HITS NEW ALL TIME HIGH!!
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 3, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink
I hope biASSED and rfl and kia and the whole hee haw gang have the guts to show up here, under those nics, on the first Wednesday in November. But I suspect what we will hear is…
(crickets chirping)
Just keep thinking everything is fine and mcsame and bible spice will win. Really. You should just keep thinking that…
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I’ll be poppin in sure. I don’t have a problem with losing. I was here in November 2006. Wishing luck which has got us a no-where Congress with by it’s approval rating (that’s what we go off of here right?) WORST CONGRESS EVER.
I’d say there’s a chance for McCain/Palin whereas before Palin I saw no chance. The states in play: Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Florida, some say Missouri and Michigan as well.
My opinion is that people in those states relate alot more to the Governor than Senator Obama.
Outie explains the republics in a nutshell.
“Politicos doen’ want to hear this, but if the savior Obama is the answer to all our problems and he wins, we will all share in that.”
Yep.
You all fight against doing the right thing, fight for the wrong thing and the wrong people with all your might, and then reap the benefits from the folks who did the RIGHT thing and voted the right way.
Freeloaders you are. No doubt about it.
hee hee heeeeee, gster!
I loved all the “fair” talk out of Biden’s mouth as well. That’s pure socialism.
Whoever told you life was “fair”?
Well exactly kfg. I mean exactly the opposite.
Folks fighting for things they think are wrong? Chuckle… is bizarro world thinking.
It’s not the end of the world no matter who wins. In fact, it will make little difference.
OK, KFG. Let’s take a look at your candidate, shall we.
McKinney Accuses Government of Slaughtering Prisoners, Dumping Bodies During Katrina
WASHINGTON: Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney claims the Department of Defense executed 5,000 prisoners with one bullet to the head and then dumped their bodies in a Louisiana swamp during Hurricane Katrina.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/02/mckinney-accuses-government-slaughtering-prisoners-dumping-bodies-katrina/
Let it be known this is the quack KFG thinks is responsible and “gifted” enough to run our great country.
The states in play: Colorado, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Florida, some say Missouri and Michigan as well.
McCain has left the (Michigan) building.
Anti, she’d do as well as any of the others. She was mocked when she said the 2000 election was a coup, and she’s been mocked for saying LIHOP and MIHOP.
Keep mocking her. Doesnt mean she is wrong.
And it doesnt make mcsame or obama right.
Hell, look at the job bushco has done. You think she’d do worse?
And we have silence from the boisterous KFG…..
ksfrmgrrlmuncher- Just keep thinking everything is fine and mcsame and bible spice will win. Really. You should just keep thinking that…
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Community organizer…
bahhhhhhhh………
bahhhhhhhhh……..
feed at the trough sheeple…..
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 3, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink
Anti, she’d do as well as any of the others. She was mocked when she said the 2000 election was a coup, and she’s been mocked for saying LIHOP and MIHOP.
Keep mocking her. Doesnt mean she is wrong.
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Doesn’t mean she’s wrong??? Doesn’t mean she’s wrong??? HELLO!!! Don’t you think 5,000 executed people would have caused a few people to say, “Hey, where the fuk is Jimbo?” And 5,000 bodies in the swamp? No one has came across a few thousand floaters??? Doesn’t mean she’s wrong??? You are out of your gourd!
Apparently farmgrrl wants me to show up here on the first Wednesday in November. What does she want to tell me then that she can not tell me now?
Keep mocking her.
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I am not. Those are HER beliefs and words. Nut job!
ksfrmgrrlmuncher- Hell, look at the job bushco has done. You think she’d do worse?
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Maybe we would find out the TRUTH about area 51, eh my tinfoil hat wearing little farmer….
mocked for saying LIHOP and MIHOP.
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Was she speaking in tongues or is that spanish?
With regard to the election, my biggest hope is that on Wednesday November 5, 2008, there is a winner, and the win is considered by most Americans to have been fair and above board.
I have a favorite and will be happiest if he wins, but we need a start toward healing and if there are wide-spread doubts about the election we’re gonna go nowhere really fast.
“What does she want to tell me then that she can not tell me now?”
YOU. LOST.
So anti, you dont know what LIHOP and MIHOP stand for?
The google. It’s your friend….
And biASSED is still an ass.
Yaaaawwwwwnnnn.
Hell, look at the job bushco has done. You think she’d do worse?
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Yeah, I think she would do worse! It is obvious she will believe any kook theory that floats around! She may start a nuclear war based on a email telling her Russia is digging a tunnel under the Pacific to invade New Mexico from within!!
KFGM-
You are always asking for links, here is one you will find interesting I’m sure. enjoy
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/09/17/pajamas-piece-palin-and-gays/
Hey biASSED…
“Just keep thinking everything is fine and mcsame and bible spice will win. Really. You should just keep thinking that…”
So anti, you dont know what LIHOP and MIHOP stand for?
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Yeah yeah, she thinks 9/11 was an inside job..Bush executed 5,000 in a LA swamp, and Elvis is still alive…..Jeez, this lady should be in a group home.
You think this is the mindset that should lead this country??
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 3, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
“What does she want to tell me then that she can not tell me now?”
YOU. LOST.
So anti, you dont know what LIHOP and MIHOP stand for?
The google. It’s your friend….
And biASSED is still an ass
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If a community organizer becomes president….
We will ALL lose.
LIHOP and MIHOP mean one thing.
take off the tinfoil………..
Heh. She’d start a war based on RUMOR?
Say it isnt so…
Kinda like starting a war on the lie that saddam had wmd? Or that the next cloud would be a mushroom cloud?
Like starting a war based on the false premise that saddam had something to do with 9/11?
Like that?
Yeah. We cant have that. AGAIN!
Here’s a national poll, it doesn’t look to good for Sarah.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/debate.poll/index.html?section=cnn_latest
“You think this is the mindset that should lead this country??”
Like I said, it wouldnt be any worse than the mindset that the war would be “weeks, months, certainly not years”. Or that we would be greeted with candy and flowers. We’d be greeted as liberators.
And giving away $8-900 billion in tax money to wall street would help US, and not just wall street.
Yeah, she’d be so.much.worse than that….
Heeeeeee.
Ok, you like the explanation that bush let ‘em drown?
Fine with me.
Bush let all those folks drown so his cronies could get rich and he could celebrate, with mcsame, and play air guitar while an entire American city drown.
Yep. That’s better…
Yeah. We cant have that. AGAIN!
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You’re right we CAN’T, my statement still stands.
Hey biASSED…
“Just keep thinking everything is fine and mcsame and bible spice will win. Really. You should just keep thinking that…”
I think KFGL thinks Mel Gibsons “Conspiricy Theory” was a documentary………
right along with War of the Worlds……..
coo! coo!
Dang libtards are smart.
I notice biASSED has nothing of substance.
SSDD
Pajamas media? hehehe. HAHAHAHAHAHAH. HEE HEEHEEEEEEE.
The google. It’s your friend.
Shows what I have been saying. Gay folks are just the same as straight.
And gay repukes are just as dumb as straight repukes.
So… your point would be….????????????????
And I notice it was posted before bible spice went off about her gay friend’s choice…
Log Cabin Repukes are still… wait for it….
REPUKES!
…heheheh. And Corsi agrees with Cynthia…
Bush let all those folks drown so his cronies could get rich and he could celebrate, with mcsame, and play air guitar while an entire American city drown.
Yep. That’s better…
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Those people had many days of warning! Hello, you live below sea level and a freaking BIG hurricane is coming! Nagin, are you there? Hello? beep beep bep…..
So you KFG, believe 5,000 people were executed and dumped in the swamp and NO ONE reported them missing or hearing 5,000 gun shots or seeing 5,000 floaters with half of their skulls missing?
I am sorry for thinking you were more intelligent.
What does she want to tell me then that she can not tell me now?”
YOU. LOST.
Thanks, consider it said.
It’s no crazier than some of the crap repukes have been spilling. You just choose your loonies.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 3, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink
It’s no crazier than some of the crap repukes have been spilling. You just choose your loonies.
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Sounds like you chose your loon, which by your own words is no different than the ones you oppose. Great!
ANTI
Posted October 3, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 3, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink
It’s no crazier than some of the crap repukes have been spilling. You just choose your loonies.
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Sounds like you chose your loon, which by your own words is no different than the ones you oppose. Great!
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HER loonies aren’t as loony as YOUR loonies…
oooooooohhhhhhhhh snap!
she put you in your place!
Here ya go biASSED, since you cant google for yourself…
http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/91873
Posters here please take a deep breath and think about what is going on here.
The media is reporting poll results.
The red and blue teams are each arguing about the poll results.
Everyone is so concerned about the polls, as if the polls indicate anything, or mean anything.
Everyone here, like everyone being polled has an opinion. It’s not rocket science. It is not objective reasoning. I have not seen any clear measure or award methodology to support objective reasoning. By it’s very nature, subjectivity demonstrates a lack of objectivity.
So yes, it is like all of us having a-sholes and they all do stink (depending upon if you are on the red or blue team).
But look at us!
Arguing our opinions over the subjective opinions of those making the poll questions, and the subjective opinions of those responding to the poll question(s).
We are a media conditioned world.
All that matters is the objective results on November 4th.
Unless, of course, some of you intend to formulate your own opinion, based upon one or any number of these polls.