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I’ll be bringing back the posts that support science since the ignorant creationists (redundant) still insist there isn’t any scientific evidence for the irrefutable fact of evolution.
New Cell Division Mechanism Discovered
ScienceDaily (Oct. 29, 2008) — A novel cell division mechanism has been discovered in a microorganism that thrives in hot acid. The finding may also result in insights into key processes in human cells, and in a better understanding of the main evolutionary lineages of life on Earth. The study is published October 28 in the online version the American National Academy of Sciences.
The research group at the Department of Molecular Evolution at Uppsala University has identified a completely cell division machinery. The discovery was made in Sulfolobus acidocaldarius, a microorganism belonging to the third domain of life, the Archaea, which originally was isolated from a hot spring in Yellowstone national park in Wyoming, USA. Because of the extreme conditions, in which the cells grow optimally in acid at 80ºC, the organism is of interest for a wide range of issues.
More of real science at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081028103101.htm
Hey cuz, when you look in the mirror do you see a reflection?
Just asking…
Happy Ghoul’s Day
Hey hey, the headline today in the NY Times,
“The Economy Shrinks With Consumers Leading The Way”.
Hahahaha, they’re blaming US!
Too funny.
Do you feel like the bad guy?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/whistle_blower_woes
Don’t complain if you’re in the military- until Obama gets in office.
“Hey cuz, when you look in the mirror do you see a reflection?
Just asking…”
I’m not a vampire, it’s just my British half that gives me the bad teeth.
Hey, what are you guys wearing for Halloween? I’m going door-to-door as a former Bush/future McCain voter. Haw, haw, haw.
Looks like the Christians are finally being honest. Years ago Christians idolized their god by putting it’s name on currency but recently they’ve gone all out and started praying to a statue of a golden bovine.
http://wonkette.com/403979/more-photos-videos-from-yesterdays-sacrilege-wall-street-bull-prayer
No surprise Christianity is all about the greed. With huge mega churches and a new version of Christianity called the Prosperity Gospel, they’ve figured they have all the people conned so they’ll go all out.
This Atheist will simply point out that it’s just a statue.
Prosperity Gospel…
Man I despise the “New Christian”, Hell, I despise the old Papacy as well.
Religion…what a waste of spirit and life.
I Googled “Prosperity Gospel” and saw the “teachers” of it. Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland Jim and Tammy Faye…awesome company.
Sheep get the fleeced. And the sheep of these shepard’s deserve every bit of it. I hope they get razor burn with every check sent in too.
Good morning Maggie. I see you are starting the day again with your attacks on groups you despise. Must be tough feeling no peace.
But if those folks were really praying to the Wall Street bull, it would indeed be sacreligious. But the video just had folks singing God Bless America. And of course, one must always take what you say with scepticism because the truth is not in you.
Obama and the Politics of Crowds
The masses greeting the candidate on the trail are a sign of great unease
There is something odd — and dare I say novel — in American politics about the crowds that have been greeting Barack Obama on his campaign trail. Hitherto, crowds have not been a prominent feature of American politics. We associate them with the temper of Third World societies. We think of places like Argentina and Egypt and Iran, of multitudes brought together by their zeal for a Peron or a Nasser or a Khomeini. In these kinds of societies, the crowd comes forth to affirm its faith in a redeemer: a man who would set the world right.
As the late Nobel laureate Elias Canetti observes in his great book, “Crowds and Power” (first published in 1960), the crowd is based on an illusion of equality: Its quest is for that moment when “distinctions are thrown off and all become equal. It is for the sake of this blessed moment, when no one is greater or better than another, that people become a crowd.” These crowds, in the tens of thousands, who have been turning out for the Democratic standard-bearer in St. Louis and Denver and Portland, are a measure of American distress.
On the face of it, there is nothing overwhelmingly stirring about Sen. Obama. There is a cerebral quality to him, and an air of detachment. He has eloquence, but within bounds. After nearly two years on the trail, the audience can pretty much anticipate and recite his lines. The political genius of the man is that he is a blank slate. The devotees can project onto him what they wish. The coalition that has propelled his quest — African-Americans and affluent white liberals — has no economic coherence. But for the moment, there is the illusion of a common undertaking — Canetti’s feeling of equality within the crowd. The day after, the crowd will of course discover its own fissures. The affluent will have to pay for the programs promised the poor. The redistribution agenda that runs through Mr. Obama’s vision is anathema to the Silicon Valley entrepreneurs and the hedge-fund managers now smitten with him. Their ethos is one of competition and the justice of the rewards that come with risk and effort. All this is shelved, as the devotees sustain the candidacy of a man whose public career has been a steady advocacy of reining in the market and organizing those who believe in entitlement and redistribution.
A creature of universities and churches and nonprofit institutions, the Illinois senator, with the blessing and acquiescence of his upscale supporters, has glided past these hard distinctions. On the face of it, it must be surmised that his affluent devotees are ready to foot the bill for the new order, or are convinced that after victory the old ways will endure, and that Mr. Obama will govern from the center. Ambiguity has been a powerful weapon of this gifted candidate: He has been different things to different people, and he was under no obligation to tell this coalition of a thousand discontents, and a thousand visions, the details of his political programs: redistribution for the poor, postracial absolution and “modernity” for the upper end of the scale.
It was no accident that the white working class was the last segment of the population to sign up for the Obama journey. Their hesitancy was not about race. They were men and women of practicality; they distrusted oratory, they could see through the falseness of the solidarity offered by this campaign. They did not have much, but believed in the legitimacy of what little they had acquired. They valued work and its rewards. They knew and heard of staggering wealth made by the Masters of the Universe, but held onto their faith in the outcomes that economic life decreed. The economic hurricane that struck America some weeks ago shook them to the core. They now seek protection, the shelter of the state, and the promise of social repair. The bonuses of the wizards who ran the great corporate entities had not bothered them. It was the spectacle of the work of the wizards melting before our eyes that unsettled them.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the late Democratic senator from New York, once set the difference between American capitalism and the older European version by observing that America was the party of liberty, whereas Europe was the party of equality. Just in the nick of time for the Obama candidacy, the American faith in liberty began to crack. The preachers of America’s decline in the global pecking order had added to the panic. Our best days were behind us, the declinists prophesied. The sun was setting on our imperium, and rising in other lands.
A younger man, “cool” and collected, carrying within his own biography the strands of the world beyond America’s shores, was put forth as a herald of the change upon us. The crowd would risk the experiment. There was grudge and a desire for retribution in the crowd to begin with. Akin to the passions that have shaped and driven highly polarized societies, this election has at its core a desire to settle the unfinished account of the presidential election eight years ago. George W. Bush’s presidency remained, for his countless critics and detractors, a tale of usurpation. He had gotten what was not his due; more galling still, he had been bold and unabashed, and taken his time at the helm as an opportunity to assert an ambitious doctrine of American power abroad. He had waged a war of choice in Iraq.
This election is the rematch that John Kerry had not delivered on. In the fashion of the crowd that seeks and sees the justice of retribution, Mr. Obama’s supporters have been willing to overlook his means. So a candidate pledged to good government and to ending the role of money in our political life opts out of public financing of presidential campaigns. What of it? The end justifies the means.
Save in times of national peril, Americans have been sober, really minimalist, in what they expected out of national elections, out of politics itself. The outcomes that mattered were decided in the push and pull of daily life, by the inventors and the entrepreneurs, and the captains of industry and finance. To be sure, there was a measure of willfulness in this national vision, for politics and wars guided the destiny of this republic. But that American sobriety and skepticism about politics — and leaders — set this republic apart from political cultures that saw redemption lurking around every corner.
My boyhood, and the Arab political culture I have been chronicling for well over three decades, are anchored in the Arab world. And the tragedy of Arab political culture has been the unending expectation of the crowd — the street, we call it — in the redeemer who will put an end to the decline, who will restore faded splendor and greatness. When I came into my own, in the late 1950s and ’60s, those hopes were invested in the Egyptian Gamal Abdul Nasser. He faltered, and broke the hearts of generations of Arabs. But the faith in the Awaited One lives on, and it would forever circle the Arab world looking for the next redeemer.
America is a different land, for me exceptional in all the ways that matter. In recent days, those vast Obama crowds, though, have recalled for me the politics of charisma that wrecked Arab and Muslim societies. A leader does not have to say much, or be much. The crowd is left to its most powerful possession — its imagination.
From Elias Canetti again: “But the crowd, as such, disintegrates. It has a presentiment of this and fears it. . . . Only the growth of the crowd prevents those who belong to it from creeping back under their private burdens.”
The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd. Defeat — by now unthinkable to the devotees — will bring heartbreak. Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won’t be solved by a leader’s magic.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533157015082889.html
“Two arrested after Obama effigy found on campus” – CNN
I in no way would condone what these kids did, but considering the California Palin effigy, the double standards are obvious! Neither is free speech or Halloween fun. IMHO.
Since the Treasury has opted to black-out everything (when it comes to dishing out the bail out money) and keep it all secret. Is there anything not secret in Bushco?
I’d love it if ALL American mortgage holder’s would just stop paying on them. And not pay unless we get to see how the money will be used. I’d also like to see all of us do nothing on April 15th.
But we’re so gutless in this country, our founder’s who bled for what we are squandering are turning over in their graves.
Gutless, cowardly and lazy. God, I wish we weren’t.
” A leader does not have to say much, or be much. The crowd is left to its most powerful possession — its imagination.”
MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific data
Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature – and not the direct result of man’s contributions.
The two lead authors of a paper published in this week’s Geophysical Review Letters, Matthew Rigby and Ronald Prinn, the TEPCO Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry in MIT’s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Science, state that as a result of the increase, several million tons of new methane is present in the atmosphere.
Methane accounts for roughly one-fifth of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, though its effect is 25x greater than that of carbon dioxide. Its impact on global warming comes from the reflection of the sun’s light back to the Earth (like a greenhouse). Methane is typically broken down in the atmosphere by the free radical hydroxyl (OH), a naturally occuring process. This atmospheric cleanser has been shown to adjust itself up and down periodically, and is believed to account for the lack of increases in methane levels in Earth’s atmosphere over the past ten years despite notable simultaneous increases by man.
Prinn has said, “The next step will be to study [these changes] using a very high-resolution atmospheric circulation model and additional measurements from other networks. The key thing is to better determine the relative roles of increased methane emission versus [an increase] in the rate of removal. Apparently we have a mix of the two, but we want to know how much of each [is responsible for the overall increase].”
The primary concern now is that 2007 is long over. While the collected data from that time period reflects a simultaneous world-wide increase in emissions, observing atmospheric trends now is like observing the healthy horse running through the paddock a year after it overcame some mystery illness. Where does one even begin? And how relevant are any of the data findings at this late date? Looking back over 2007 data as it was captured may prove as ineffective if the data does not support the high resolution details such a study requires.
One thing does seem very clear, however; science is only beginning to get a handle on the big picture of global warming. Findings like these tell us it’s too early to know for sure if man’s impact is affecting things at the political cry of “alarming rates.” We may simply be going through another natural cycle of warmer and colder times – one that’s been observed through a scientific analysis of the Earth to be naturally occuring for hundreds of thousands of years.
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113-text.html
Was anyone arrested for the Palin thing? Wasn’t that a “hate crime” too?
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzeus.
I hate that phrase.
Clinton said it in Florida in so many words and we’ve seen it time and again on these blogs.
The Republicans have become the party of white male supremacy. No longer do they even pretend to be a party of diversity. They are white men wanting to hold onto power.
The one female they hold up as their goddess is a blatant Communist who holds that her state is a “collective” whose wealth should be distributed in paychecks to the general population.
We’ve been writing for some years about the fact that America’s income tax system has increasingly concentrated tax liability among the highest income earners. Currently, the top ten percent of American income earners pay 71 percent of all income taxes. Our excessively progressive tax system has created a dangerous situation in which anyone can vote for politicians who promise to deliver goodies by “spreading the wealth,” but only a handful are responsible for paying the bills. Whether a democracy can survive indefinitely under these circumstances is an open question.
A new report by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) shows how extreme the progressivity of our tax system has become. The U.S. “has the most progressive tax system and collects the largest share of taxes from the richest 10% of the population.” That’s right: our tax system is more progressive than Sweden’s.
More:
The table also shows that the U.S. collects more household tax revenue [income plus social security taxes] from the top 10 percent of households than any other country and extracts the most from that income group relative to their share of the nation’s income.
Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress now promise to exacerbate the unfairness of our tax system by concentrating tax liabilities even more exclusively among high income earners. Apart from the long-term economic consequences of such a policy, it is simply unjust.
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/10/021929.php
Heckler, we’re not a Democracy.
“Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress now promise to exacerbate the unfairness of our tax system by concentrating tax liabilities even more exclusively among high income earners. Apart from the long-term economic consequences of such a policy, it is simply unjust.”
I worked at Raytheon once too Heckler. SO I know you are not in this group you so protect.
What do you owe them?
From each according to their gifts TO each according to their needs.
Happy “Hollow Wennie”" this day is dedicated to Barack Obama. He doesn’t seem to reflect what we as Americans need. I support McCain/Palin. I am at http://www.HerbertWest3rd.com I am a Democratic Candidate for Sheriff in Miami County Kansas.
Ugh Ann Coulter is on at THIS hour?
Shouldn’t she be headed for her casket before the dawn?
A McCain supporter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
pleefer
“Heckler, we’re not a Democracy.”
No, but we’re steadily creeping in that direction.
The Obama Goon squad. How safe are you. Where’s the outrage about Joe the Plumber search?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10312008/news/columnists/wheres_outrage_over_the_septic_tactics_b_136209.htm
bj admits he is an absolute socialist when he writes:
“From each according to their gifts TO each according to their needs.”
That is the center of the Marx philosophy. Even everything out, destroy incentive, take from those that have and give to those that do not or will not provide for themselves.
At least bj has eliminated all doubt with that quote.
From electoral-vote.com
“Palin Is Dragging McCain Down
A new NY Times/CBS poll shows that 59% of the voters feel that Sarah Palin is not qualified to be Vice President, let alone President. These people question McCain’s ability to pick qualified people for his administration. The ironic thing is that the choice of Palin was probably forced on him by Steve Schmidt. McCain barely knew her (he met her once for 15 minutes), whereas he has traveled extensively with his long-time good friend Joe Lieberman. The choice of Lieberman would have enhanced McCain’s maverick status, shown that he was willing to buck his own party and given the ticket an experienced politician who most people feel could be President (as demonstrated by polling in 2000). Schmidt undoubtedly told McCain that the base wouldn’t accept him due to his pro-choice stance on abortion. The old McCain would have said: “Screw the base” to Schmidt, but McCain V2.0 did what he was told. If McCain loses, the conversation between McCain and Schmidt probably won’t be real friendly.”
EMBRACE defeat cons.
Interesting link, George. Good question..where is the leftist OUTRAGE over the use of public facilities to violate Joe’s privacy? Invasion of privacy by the Obama supporters is obviously ok…
How does “even everything out”= “destroy incentive”?
The incentive of SOME to make money off of the labor of others maybe. I can’t get too broke up about that.
The words I posted are much healthier than the REAL “Golden rule” that he who has the gold makes the rules.
check out why socialism destroys incentive:
http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=4014
The first paragraphy sums it up well.
Socialism is the Big Lie of the twentieth century. While it promised prosperity, equality, and security, it delivered poverty, misery, and tyranny. Equality was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery.
Heckler, I fear we are mob-ruled (Cosa Nostra). Heh heh.
“Raptor” –
quote:
And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (The Book of the Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 2: verse 44-45)
quote:
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. (Acts 4:34-35)
Why do you hate christianity?
“Incentive” is mot always a noble thing.
THESE days Raptor, your “incentive” involves, “I do what I am told or I don’t have a home or food.”
“Incentive” has become another word for surrender.
Oh GAWD.
Piper Palin is going as an ice princess for Halloween.
She wants to be her mom when she grows up.
Physical slavery has it that the slaver must feed and clothe the slave. Under our form of slavery (economic slavery), we feed and clothe ourselves.
Now that’s genius.
The Moose-Dresser as President –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmeI-TKTq5Q
In her own words…
mh, you are full of it and you know it. I don’t “hate Christianity” as you put it. I suppose unless you give all your worldly possessions to the church, I could make the same accusation about you, couldn’t I? but, I am not that ridiculous.
You make baby Jesus weep, “Raptor.”
Well duh, if you give a Wolf campfire scraps, they will abandon the hunt with their pack and only scavenge off humans. People are no different, if you give them freebies you take away their basic strive to survive off their own self sufficiency. The only difference is that people will turn into something not as adorable as a wolf pet, because no one is going to sit there and play fetch with a deadbeat and pet them on the head and rub their belly to keep their wasteful time occupied. This is where drugs, gangs, and crimes come in, and the belief that the entitlement to free money and services is not enough. There is a socialism that works well, and that is called the military, because those people have a job to do, and a drill instructor yelling down their throats every morning. That is about the only way socialism can work, and obviously it is way too much time and energy to send out a drill instructor to every house of a recipient to a social program. The only thing that would work, is to make large civilian bases that people have to live at if they want social and financial assistance, give them a curfew, a job, and people yelling down their throats to do push ups every morning.
“I am a Democratic Candidate for Sheriff in Miami County Kansas.”
Let us know if your vote total makes it to double digits!
Barnie has issues.
For the Obama supporters…
http://yeswecarve.com/yes-we-carve-video/
Happy halloween.
Climate Science: Is It Currently Designed To Answer Questions?
by Richard Lindzen, October 30th, 2008
Has global warming alarm become the goal rather than the result of scientific research?
When the history of the early 21st century is written, it may be the financial health of the global economy was rescued by a new currency, carbon. This new asset class, fungible and tradeable, reinflated the balance sheets of governments and international financial institutions alike, and pulled humanity back from the brink of a worldwide depression. That is the hopeful scenario, and not one to be lightly dismissed.
The other outcome that may be our legacy, however, will be that just when technology and capitalism were about to deliver prosperity and security to an unprecedented number of people everywhere, and just at the time when what our financial systems needed was to embark on new investment in cost-effective energy and water infrastructure, we instead committed the wealth of humanity to deploying immature energy technologies, and arcane, projects of no use and stupefying expense – such as blasting CO2 gas into underground caverns.
In either case, what historians will definitely wonder about in future centuries is how deeply flawed logic, obscured by shrewd and unrelenting propaganda, actually enabled a coalition of powerful special interests to convince nearly everyone in the world that CO2 from human industry was a dangerous, planet destroying toxin. It will be remembered as the greatest mass delusion in the history of the world – that CO2, the life of plants, was considered for a time to be a deadly poison.
http://ecoworld.com/features/2008/10/30/climate-science-is-it-currently-designed-to-answer-questions/
McCain has ties to PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi and William Ayers!
In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.
During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.
A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi’s Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, “West Bank: CPRS” on page 14 of this PDF.)
The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi’s group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of “sociopolitical attitudes.”
Of course, there’s seemingly nothing objectionable with McCain’s organization helping a Palestinian group conduct research in the West Bank or Gaza. But it does suggest that McCain could have some of his own explaining to do as he tries to make hay out of Khalidi’s ties to Obama.
SoDelvB, if it takes fooling billions of people to save the global economies infrastructure, is it worth it? I’d say so.
For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual.
Vanity Fair magazine and the National Security News Service claim to have knowledge “developed from first-hand sources” of a car crash that involved then-Lt. McCain at the main gate of a Virginia naval base in 1964, according to legal filings. The incident has been largely, if not entirely, kept from the public. And in documents suing the Navy to release pertinent information, lawyers for the NS News Service allege that a cover-up may be at play.
Don’t get me wrong mxyzptlk, I prefer Obama over McCain during this election. But individual welfare is a bottomless pit, which doesn’t provide production, only consumption. If anything, blossoming businesses that can provide jobs should receive financial assistance. Because that creates a production, consumption cycle. People actually working for money, what a concept, and yes there are quite a handful of illegal immigrants that get paid under the table, don’t file taxes, and receive welfare, if you don’t believe this has a harsh impact on our economy, then you need to wake up. I don’t have a problem with legal immigrants, that’s part of the American dream. But we’re being robbed by some of these bandito’s coming from south of the border, and by some of our citizens here at home, I can’t honestly say that more of this, is going to stifle the bleeding.
samkan
Posted October 31, 2008 at 6:53 am | Permalink
“Two arrested after Obama effigy found on campus” – CNN
Yeah… about that freedom of speach thing…
Wasn’t there a discussion a few days back about the California display and if it were Obama instead…
Pleefer
Posted October 31, 2008 at 6:53 am | Permalink
Since the Treasury has opted to black-out everything (when it comes to dishing out the bail out money) and keep it all secret. Is there anything not secret in Bushco?
Will The One inject transparency or follow the Bush Doctrine and keep it blacked out?
Oh boy…now mx is jumping on the ‘vanity fair as investigative magazine’ lie. You and mh must read the same leftist extremist blogs, don’t you? And, of course, you both believe everything you read.
hey mx…care to post you ’source’ of your unattributed lie?
mh..go cry me a river about your mythological baby and your superstitions. You are quite the “Christian” example of tolerance and love, aren’t you?
Yeah, I have to agree, that is just flat out wrong. The thing is though, the Campus, since most College’s are Liberal, will claim to the Law Enforcement, that the Campus is private property, and any demonstration must be approved by the College first. Therefore the students will probably be charged on violating property rights, rather than displaying an effigy of Obama. Which is still wrong, because everybody knows any other demonstration the College wouldn’t have payed any heed to. I don’t agree with hanging an Obama Effigy, but they still shouldn’t have gotten in trouble for it.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 31, 2008 at 7:01 am | Permalink
Clinton said it in Florida in so many words and we’ve seen it time and again on these blogs.
The Republicans have become the party of white male supremacy. No longer do they even pretend to be a party of diversity. They are white men wanting to hold onto power.
Spread the hate brother. Spread the racism.
Preach it brother. Testify !!!!
You are doing it for me sollie. Seig heil!
“From Each According to Their Means To Each According to Their Needs” – Karl Marx.
Way to go BlueJay. If this is the way you feel, you should not live in a capitalist country. Try North Korea or China. They share your sentiment.
Sollie…those countries share bj’s dream..except for the ruling class. There is no pure socialism anywhere, as many different experiments have proven it cannot exist. The communes of the 60’s tried, but failed. The governments of N. Korea and China exempt themselves from the equality of the masses.
It simply cannot work with human nature being what it is. Then again, I suppose the messiah will just change human nature…?
“Will The One inject transparency or follow the Bush Doctrine and keep it blacked out?”
Of course The One will.
“Obama Plane Pitches Reporters From McCain-Endorsing Papers”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/obama-plane-pitches-reporters-mccain-endorsing-papers/
“SolDevVB” –
Your hatred of Christian tradition makes baby Jesus cry.
Barnie
Posted October 31, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink
SoDelvB, if it takes fooling billions of people to save the global economies infrastructure, is it worth it? I’d say so.
Barnie,
Did you buy your carbon credits today?
If you fall for the carbon credit ponzi scheme, I have some lovely beach front property to sell you. In Iowa.
Your hatred of Christian tradition makes baby Jesus cry.
Didn’t you hear? He grew up.
Heckler LIES that “America’s income tax system has increasingly concentrated tax liability among the highest income earners.”
What was the tax rate on the rich under Eisenhower, JFK, Johnson, Carter and Reagan?
It was much higher.
Also, comparisons with other countries like those in the EU are very misleading–they have a steep “value added tax” VAT which we don’t have.
Otherwise, how could they afford all that “Euro-socialism” you CONs always complain about?
The “tax liability” on the super rich is lower than its ever been since the Great Crash, what with capital gains tax at 15 percent which rewards wealth instead of work and the repeal of the “death tax” which insures that Paris Hilton can earn more in investments than all the employees of Walmart put together.
Because of this unconscionable concentration of wealth, the 400 richest families in the US are wealthier than the bottom 150 MILLION Americans.
The rich pay a lot of income tax because they make a lot of income. Period.
They should have to pay a helluva lot more.
Once again, capn proves he has been reading too many comic books and/or leftist blogs with not a shred of fact.
IRS tax table, 2008, filing singly:
0-8025 10%
8025 – 32,550 15%
32,550-78,850 25%
78,850 – 164,550 28%
164,550-357,700 33%
357,700 and up 35%
Proof that the highest income earners are taxed more heavily—regardless of capns false assertions.
the above is from irs.gov. the rates for married filing jointly and head of household will vary on amounts, but the percentage amount increases just the same. the higher the income, the higher the percentage.
game. set. match..capn loses. again.
If only we could get some really wealthy people to go on record about how they feel toward the willing idiots like Heckler, the pathetically desperate “wanna-bes” who are actually “never wills.”
They probably never talk about people like you, Heckler, because they don’t even know you exist . . .
You are nothing to them, less than zero.
And yet you sacrifice your well-being and your family’s and your country’s to protect their interests to exploit you.
That is really dumb.
Raptor–
That’s a good start.
Now compare it to the same information from 1959.
Capn’A, you make 3X the income I do. How much money do you owe me?
McCain is speaking right now and Cindy is just behind him over his right shoulder. I caught myself watching her expressions, not looking at or listening to him. I wonder if someone will do a “study” on the affect of her expressions on his message.
If and that’s a big if, Obama does make the records of the bank heist visible, I’ll change some of my ill-willed feelings for him. But I’m betting I won’t have to. He’s a Judas Goat and soon, we’ll get to see the “change” he offers. Only, it won’t be the “change” all of the prostrate worshippers want.
BTW, Raptor, the really wealthy make most of their income from investments, not wages.
Investment profit is “capital gains” which was cut to a 15 percent tax rate.
That’s one of the key reasons that one of the ten richest men in the world Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary making 60,000 a year.
I wonder if someone will do a “study” on the affect of her expressions on his message
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Why would you waste your time on a ridiculous study like that?
Capn’A, you make 3X the income I do. How much money do you owe me?
Please answer the question, I would like to know if you really want to practice your beliefs.
Personally, I think the ‘income’ reference is the wrong frame to look by. We should be more concerned about the ‘wealth’ reference. It’s obviously a given those with more income have more wealth, but what is little considered is how much faster the higher incomes generate weath which can be used to generate more wealth while those in lowest incomes not only attain no wealth, but generally operate in negative wealth zones.
Anti apparently forgot he’s still on “ignore.”
McCain is speaking right now and Cindy is just behind him over his right shoulder. I caught myself watching her expressions, not looking at or listening to him. I wonder if someone will do a “study” on the affect of her expressions on his message.
Good catch Linda. When their kids are there THEY are really bored and uncaring. I heard where one of his daughters is voting for Obama.
Anyone want to address Obama not sharing the wealth in his campaign funds? LOL
Pleefer
Posted October 31, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink
If and that’s a big if, Obama does make the records of the bank heist visible, I’ll change some of my ill-willed feelings for him.
Your really want all your Republican buddies to go to jail?
CapnAmerica
Posted October 31, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink
Anti apparently forgot he’s still on “ignore.”
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Apparently Capn’A is a typical demo hypocrite.
“Paris Hilton can earn more in investments than all the employees of Walmart put together”
Jealous much?
It cracks me up how much the liberals want a piece of the pie created by the successful. It is saddening that instead of saying to their selves “Hey, HE made it. What can I do to EARN a living like that?”
Instead they say “No fair no fair. He has more than I do. Give me a piece of that.”
A man becomes uber successful and wants to pass it on to his children. He earned it, but instead of letting him do with what he earns as he pleases, the socialists want to take it from him.
Marx would be proud of you.
You mean, other than the fact that would be illegal, KIA?
Capn’A is a ‘rich bastard’ who only wants other ‘rich bastards’ to pay for us lower income folks. I figure you owe me 33% of your wealth and BlueJay 33% of your wealth, that should level things out.
Actually, Sol–
Paris Hilton’s grandfather, the guy who actually made the fortune, willed most of his money to help orphaned children.
But thanks to laws passed by scum-sucking CONs, Paris Hilton’s father was able to contest the will and screw the kids out of their money.
Yeah.
So much for “a man becomes uber successful and wants to pass it on . . . ”
Hitler would be proud of you.
mxyzptlk,
They aren’t my “buddies”. And yeah, they all need to go to jail. Republican AND DEMOCRAT alike. I don’t play the left/right game dude (nice try though).
I want these same people brought up on treason charges and the penalties that follow a conviction.
Also, CEOs have the lions share of their compensation structured in such a way that the tax is deferred indefinitely.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 31, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink
BTW, Raptor, the really wealthy make most of their income from investments, not wages.
God forbid someone invest their money. Isn’t that like ‘spreading the wealth’? Instead of forcing you to pay for that which you don’t want, you are afforded the opportunity to invest in that which you do. And you may be rewarded for that investment.
The monies invested allow for growth. God forbid someone else succeed too.
Capn, what was the last job you got from a poor man? Anyone? Can anyone answer that?
Income is income wheter it’s earned by sweat or by sweet deals.
My input on the income tax discussion: concentration on the rates set out above for 2008 (or any other year) in isolation is not in and itself conclusive as to determining how much income tax is paid by an individual. Rather, the issue is what is the effective marginal rate paid based upon the source and characteristics of the types of income received.
For example, if a return shows $300,000 in taxable income, and the source thereof is long term capital gain from the sale of appreciated securities only, the rate that will be paid on that amount of income will be a maximum of 15% at the federal level under current law. If, instead, the $300,000 represents W-2 compensation only, the single taxpayer will pay a total of 28.239% of said taxable income in federal income taxes; a much higher rate than the capital gain example.
WIKI says,
Conrad Hilton died on January 3, 1979, in Santa Monica, California at age 91 from natural causes. He is interred at Calvary Hill Cemetery,[3] in Dallas, Texas. Calvary Hill is a Catholic cemetery.
He left US-$ 50,000 each to two of his surviving siblings and US-$ 100,000 to each of his nieces and nephews and his daughter Francesca. The bulk of his estate was left to the Conrad N. Hilton Foundation, which he established in 1944. However, Conrad’s son, Barron, contested the will and won in 1988.
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And under Barron Hilton:
When Barron’s father died in 1979, he left the bulk of his estate to the Roman Catholic Church and charities, and almost nothing to his children. Barron contested the will and won his lawsuit in 1988.
In the Forbes 400, which lists the 400 richest Americans, Barron Hilton’s worth in 2007 is listed at $2.3 billion.
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Wow, this guy is richer than Costa Rica, and the CONs are soooo saaaad about the taxes he must pay . . .
Good point vt – to which I would add that the first approx 100K of earned income is also subject to FICA while the amount above that is not. Dividends and cap gains are not subject to FICA.
Capn… Whoops…
“Barron Hilton also announced that he will contribute 97 percent of his entire net worth to benefit the Foundation, at whatever value it is at the time of his passing. It is currently estimated at $2.3 billion.”
http://www.looktothestars.org/news/488-hilton-donates-family-fortune-to-charity
Thank you, AVTolle.
Your fact-based comments are much appreciated.
My wife’s church regularly hires me to do scrub work. They pay a decent wage, too. Then again, they ask me and pay me more than I rightly feel comfortable taking. I guess they figure I’m worth it. (Prolly the only argument you’ll hear from laborer and managment where the laborer insists on LOWER wages). Seein’s how it’s a Baptist church, there’s your getting a job from a poor man.
Seein’s how it’s a Baptist church, there’s your getting a job from a poor man.
Bout how much per year do you bring in from said work? Could you live off of it?
Would you consider that your job or side work?
Sol–
Are you kidding me?!
He stole millions from starving orphans to enjoy it all in his lifetime and now the fact that he says he’ll will his money to his own charity is supposed to mitigate that craven theft.
Again, Hitler would be proud.
Capn’A is one of those, “Do as I say, not as I do” kind of folks. Hitler and Stalin would be proud of you.
When Barron’s father died in 1979, he left the bulk of his estate to the Roman Catholic Church
Poor starving nuns.
Thought you hated Christians capn.
I’ll make Mr. Hilton a deal.
He can give me all his money when he dies, and I’ll promise to give it all to charity when I die.
Wow.
Ain’t I one helluva Christian!
Capn’A I thought you were going to be no more by now? 8 hours and all?
Thought you hated Christians capn.
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Sorry, Sol.
I mistook you for someone rational.
I won’t make that mistake any longer.
It’s all clear to me now.
I’m outta here and off to my daily task of destroying the policies of Worst. President. Ever. and everything they stand for.
Ciao, baby.
Sol, really, it’s more of a favor than real work. I end up tithing it right back. Don’t know what the tax ramifications are for them in the long run. I’d be real happy if I was making their wage in my ‘real’ job.
Several years ago I worked a machine shop that had a small workforce doing farm work from the aircraft plants. The workers were making a reasonable wage. I’m sure the machine shop was barely making any money for the owner, though, as knowing these people for years previous and prior to my employment, I’m sure they lived on little more than the wife’s income from her ‘real’ job. Very decent people.
I guess he could have opted to hire a revolving cycle of reprobates who didn’t give a flying fig for a lot less and made more money, but he doesn’t live his life that way.
Sol, the difficulty with the argument (from purely a theoretical perspective) that investment of money (assuming stock investments) allows for growth is as follows: unless said investment is made directly into the company itself, there are no funds made available to the company which can be used for its growth. In other words, if one purchases stock in XYZ Corp. from another person who holds it, that purchase goes not to the company, but to the stockholder, who may choose to spend it any way s/he chooses. The company itself realizes no direct benefit from the open market trading of its stock in that situation.
Personally, I am of the opinion that those who invest directly into a company by purchasing its stock from the company itself, providing capital to said company for its use, should be rewarded for the risk taken; perhaps such individual should be allowed to sell the stock without paying any income tax on that sale, if profitable. However, the subsequent holders of the stock should not be allowed special treatment for future sales of the stock at a profit, and should pay income taxes on the profit at the same rate as is paid on other income.
Similarly, on dividends, those who invest directly into a company should be allowed a tax break on dividends received; those who subsequently buy the stock should not, to the extent that the individual’s marginal income tax rate exceeds the marginal income tax rate of the corporation paying out the dividends (as dividends are paid from “after tax” income of the corporation).
While this seems “pie in the sky” to many, I am sure, if the intent of special treatment of capital gains and dividends is to encourage the investment of capital, let us reward this investment into the companies directly, and not reward the subsequent “investors” who are purchasing the stock on the open market purely for the potential gain thereon and dividend income therefrom which does not provide a benefit to the company.
VT,
Don’t companies buy and sell their own stock frequently? Isn’t the trading of stocks one of the factors in driving the price?
So when the stock price is high, the company can release more shares and realize a profit. When the price is low, the company can purchase some of the stock back.
So it would seem to me it is cyclical.
Difference in treatment of THE ONE? Naaahhhhh.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/31/kentucky-men-arrested-hanging-obama-effigy/
Two Arrested for Hanging Obama Effigy at University of Kentucky
A student and a Lexington, Ky., resident have been charged with disorderly conduct in the incident, one of several in recent weeks involving effigies of the presidential candidates or their running mates.
Difference in treatment of THE ONE? Naaahhhhh.
(Obama be S P E C I A L)
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-palineffigy28-2008oct28,0,3849487.story
Los Angeles sheriff’s officials say the Halloween display isn’t a hate crime. Authorities are keeping an eye on the house to make sure the situation doesn’t get out of hand.
By Victoria Kim
October 28, 2008
A West Hollywood Halloween display showing a likeness of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin hanging by a noose has caused a furor among some residents who reported it as a hate crime, authorities said Monday.
But Los Angeles County sheriff’s officials said the mannequin sporting a beehive hairdo, glasses and a red coat does not rise to the level of a hate crime because it was part of a Halloween display.
“I’m not defending this; I’m not criticizing it. It doesn’t rise to the level of hate crime,” said Steve Whitmore, spokesman for the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, who said he went out to the house himself to look at the display this morning.
“Now, if there was a crime against bad taste . . . “
Difference in treatment of THE ONE? Naaahhhhh.
(WHERE IS Obama’s Effigy Photo?)
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/gov-palin-effigy-in-a-noose-halloween-fun-or-going-too-far/
Photo
It’s ok to hang a white woman in effigy.
It’s not ok to hang a black man in effigy.
Where’s the topic for Obama’s LA Times Withheld Video?
Special Treatment for Obama!
Isn’t
that
just
special!
(You can picture Chas Lady saying this!)
ROFLMAO Yuk Yuk
Sol, companies from time to time make new public offerings of stock, and from time to time buy back stock. Most stock transactions on the exchanges are not those; rather, it is stockholder A selling stock to (prospective) stockholder B. Given the cost of compliance with various SEC regulations, federal and state securities laws, companies engage in new issues of stock only when it is necessary to raise substantial amounts of permanent capital for, e.g., expansion of operations. Otherwise, for short term needs, companies borrow; the costs are much less. An exception to this is, of course, a company issuing publicly held debt to raise capital needed for the longer term, but the company, for whatever reason, does not wish to dilute the outstanding equity, and sees the need for the additional capital as being “temporary”, albeit for a time longer than that normally answered by borrowing using “commercial paper”, bank loans, etc.
VT,
Showing my ignorance then; if a company wants to sell any amount of its own stock, it has to be a public offering? They can’t trade it like any other individual?
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 31, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink
It’s ok to hang a white woman in effigy.
It’s not ok to hang a black man in effigy.
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Max what is the scoop on Samoan Gays, Arab Transexuals, and Dutch Drunks in effigy??
Dutch Drunks? I thought we Irish had that market cornered.
“They were also charged with burglary and theft at a fraternity house where police said the materials came from.”
Some factual differences Max. The KY incident was done on public property with stolen materials. Thus the charges of theft and disorderly conduct. The Los Angeles one was on private property – property of the person doing it. And there was no indication of burglary involved.
SolDevVB
Posted October 31, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
Dutch Drunks? I thought we Irish had that market cornered.
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The Dutch are catching up Sol. The Irish need to quit slacking off on the pint curls.
Sol, an explanation of the various securities laws and regulations, federal and state, is beyond the capacity of this thread. Generally, any sale of stock by a company to a third party is a “public offering” unless an exception to this exists in the applicable statutes. Again, generally, in order for a stock to be traded, it must be “registered” with the appropriate authorities, unless exempt from registration under applicable laws. The stock a person holds in, e.g., AT&T is registered, and thus may be traded on the markets. If, however, AT&T wants to sell newly issued stock, the same must be registered prior to its offer for sale by the company (again, in general).
And, it is important to note, that even if stock is exempt from the registration requirements, the anti-fraud provisions of the various laws will apply to the transaction between the offering company and purchasers.
Note to GMC: any of this sound vaguely familiar? :-)
“bth” –
Don’t make “MaxGrobnik” face the facts.
It’s alien territory.
MH, why do you hate white women?
And, Sol, a caveat to the above; if the company is offering stock which it has bought back which was part of a prior issue which was registered, then said stock may be traded on the same basis as any other stock a part of the prior issue is traded.
VT,
Then individuals purchasing a company stock and increasing demand affords the company the opportunity to sell existing stock and create a cash flow. Correct?
Sol, if there is active trading in the stock, and the company wishes to sell its existing stock to raise additional capital, it may certainly do so. IIRC, there are filings to be made with the SEC to notify the market that it is going to do so, which may adversely affect the stock price, as the holders of the outstanding stock will see that their position in the company will be diluted due to the sale. There are many considerations given to taking such a step, and it seems to me, there isn’t much active trading by a company in its own stock absent a desire to raise additional capital, or in the case of a buyback to reduce the number of shares outstanding, which reduces the amount (in total) being paid out in dividends, which has the effect of preserving capital
OK, I’ve been set straight. Thanx for the schoolin VT.
36% on > $250k = McCain’s ‘Country First!
39% on > $250k = Obama’s (and Bill Clinton’s) SOCIALISM!
‘Levels of the greenhouse gas methane begin to increase again’
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/methane-tt1029.html
“Methane levels in the atmosphere have more than tripled since pre-industrial times, accounting for around one-fifth of the human contribution to greenhouse gas-driven global warming. Until recently, the leveling off of methane levels had suggested that the rate of its emission from the Earth’s surface was approximately balanced by the rate of its destruction in the atmosphere.
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A rise in Northern Hemispheric emissions may be due to the very warm conditions that were observed over Siberia throughout 2007, potentially leading to increased bacterial emissions from wetland areas. However, a potential cause for an increase in Southern Hemispheric emissions is less clear.”
Hee hee. You want to collectivize the video? It is private property.
“Methane levels in the atmosphere have more than tripled since pre-industrial times”
And yet the globe cooled. Go figure.
You buy your carbon credits today cosmos?
SolDevVB posted October 31, 2008 at 8:46 am
“… that CO2, the life of plants,. . .”
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Richard Lindzen has watched that stupid fossil-fueled funded CEI video too many times.
SolDevVB,
Ignorant people like you are the reason for the saying:
It’s a waste of time to debate drunks, and idiots.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink
36% on > $250k = McCain’s ‘Country First!
39% on > $250k = Obama’s (and Bill Clinton’s) SOCIALISM!”
Didn’t Obama write about the 4%ers in his Socialist Manifesto?
Samoans are OK, but only in Hawaii. Gays, never! Arabs, no. Transexuals, no. Arab Transexuals – Definitly NO! Dutch drunks? Maybe.
Fellow Bloggers,
As per the nic spamming:
I believe Chas, Regular, Rage, and even myself have been spammed. WE or anyone else interested in how this is done can contact me at oneanti@yahoo.com
This has gotten out of hand and I feel it is best everyone knows how easy it is to do. This may increase spamming or may cause WE to fix the holes.
ANTI
HLP
Posted October 31, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink
Samoans are OK, but only in Hawaii. Gays, never! Arabs, no. Transexuals, no. Arab Transexuals – Definitly NO! Dutch drunks? Maybe.
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Damn! Well Hank, I will update my “Rules for Effigies” and alter my Halloween plans.
Maggotpunk,
Who are these people who you are arguing against who claim there is no scientific evidence for Evolution?
I think you are confused.
Many of us simply don’t beleive that the evidence you keep giving us is proof of anything more than micro-Evolution which I and many others don’t have a problem with.
The problem is that you think every single little bit of proof of micro-Evolution is proof of Macro-Evolution and it is not.
The mere fact that you keep calling Evolution an irrefutable fact proves that not even you care one bit about science. Science is about always questioning it’s self to discover the truth.
The only things that I know of which are dealt with as anything near an irefutable fact is a scientific law.
Last I checked, Evolution was not one.
REGULAR, my better angels are telling me to just drop it as to continue feeds you.
But fear? What am I supposed to fear? My son’s death? Hell that just means I am in an elite and honored crowd! Every day the ranks grow of parents whom are waking and hoping there is no knock on the door. Ask our friend Hank, it is not because of lacking of faith in our children’s ability or that they are fighting in a war. Both the parent and the child recognize that there is a chance whenever someone wears the uniform of our nation. But of course there is a fear, I would gladly take my son’s place in this matter rather then it be he whom risk life and limb. But that fear is aside as it is his duty and honor to serve.
He chose it and I accept his decision to serve, I support his decision to serve believe me there is no more room in my heart for pride in him. If in the end there is a knock on the door it is God’s will and that puts both he and I at rest.
Fear he is fighting in an action I do not think was just or right? In sense that is true and what is refer to as a “Greek Tragedy” but then what parent ever would think there is a cause worth their child’s life?
He will end up in Afghanistan in time, that is the fortune of the unit he serves in and a pride fortune they would tell you. That is just the way the 82nd is and being Airborne is an honor to each and every one of them. They understand the duty and responsibility of the title and wearing the double AA on the shoulder.
When the news broke he had decided to go airborne yes I would have rather he had wanted to set in an office and shuffle papers. But on my “Army Dad” cap he gave me I made a point to put an “AA” pin on the front. I was proud to be the dad of an U.S. soldier anyway, but brag I do of his accomplishments!
There would be more chance of his death in Afghanistan, there is an actual war going on there and real battles not cowardly attacks. Where a bomb is hit or miss, a bullet is aimed and fired with intent.
But to the point, if his fate is to be killed the place and manner is of little comfort for such a grave loss.
Fear? Yes I fear for the future of my country for beyond the possible death of my son the country will go on. I want it to be a country that is worthy of continuing to be America and worth of dying in the name of.
I am ignoring reality? Just what reality do you speak of? The reality of terrorism maybe, Bin Laden and is ilk were doomed to failure anyway. It is their history and usual as it was in Iraq by their own doing.
It is by our actions they gained strength and power not theirs. The World rejected at 9-11 and ran away from him. People protested in the streets of Iran at the attack and in support of the United States.
So why now do they have fear of the actions of the U.S.? Is it because they are trying to build a nuclear bomb or because they swear they are not?
How about you? Are you ignoring the realities? How much do you know of the Neoconservatives agenda?
That those whom are currently swinging power in the White House have some very irrational concepts.
They are not swayed by the lack of proof if it is their prejudged conclusion that it is truth.
“Just because there is not proof they are does not mean they are not!”.
These same people tried to convince President Ford to get into a shooting war with the Soviets based on those premises.
“They must have very sophisticated weapons since we can not find them. So we must attack them before they can use them!”. Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfield and Paul Wolfowitz logic.
Habeas corpus was suspended with the passage of the first “Patriot act”, the domestic spying started before 9-11. Now only if this country were overrun by terrorists would either be prudent or necessary to in enact.
So are we? Is Al-Qaeda so large and expansive that they have filled the United States with sleeper cells?
Do you believe they have and were there a real need to do these things? “OH but if you are not doing anything wrong why would you worry?”. But I say without a reasonable cause is that the kind of country you would want to live in? Our country has been a safe haven for people who are fleeing such governments.
But now you do not think what is going on is wrong? Where there is smoke there is fire yet you would dismiss it as just perfume. And I am the one who is ignoring reality!
“Freedom means being ever vigilant” the oath I have taken in the pass and the one my son took after enlisting has this within it. “To protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Which enemy has more ability to weaken and destroy this country, the foreign enemy or the domestic one? And which one should we be more vigilant of? As I said, I want this country to be one worth living in and if need be worth dying in the name of. Perhaps I should just set back and enjoy the latest “survivor” . Just sing a song within the cage and be ignorant of the world outside the cage that is being build around me.
I started out solely because being a news junkie I found the reasoning that the President and his cabal give for the invasion to be not stand up to all I was aware of. So I simply want to be better informed, I found I just could not continue to dismiss the nagging little voice of concern. With the “Well he is the President and has access to more information than I do.”. I did not suspect the existence of the Neoconservatives agenda nor wanted to believe that is could happen here. But then that has happen in the past too, if you were to go back to 1938 Germany and told the average German about what the next seven years had in store for his nation. He would not have believed it possible either, he would have sworn to you it could not happen.
But looking back through the vision of history we both know it was possible and it did happen.
I have become painfully aware of the realities of the Bush administration and how the political party I belong to had become corrupted by a handful of ideologists whom do not base their judgment or decisions on known facts or reality it self. Now you are aware of the realities I discovered and am faced with the choices. You can accept them and go on from there, you can ignore them or research further to see its if it is the reality. I would be the happiest to be wrong for if not than we are in more trouble then either the Soviets or terrorists could cause.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink
SolDevVB,
Ignorant people like you are the reason for the saying:
It’s a waste of time to debate drunks, and idiots.
That is what I love about you most cosmos. The scientific peer reviewed retorts when you are made to look the fool you are.
So, did you buy your carbon credits today?
SolDevVB,
I explained to you multiple times that CO2 (and methane) are NOT the only climate forcings.
Please explain to us why you have been unable to understand that simple concept. Were you drunk. . .?
Very well said. LOL!
‘An ‘Idiot Wind‘
John McCain’s latest attempt to link Barack Obama to extremism’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/30/AR2008103003244.html
“Which reminds us: We did ask Mr. Khalidi whether he wanted to respond to the campaign charges against him. He answered, via e-mail, that “I will stick to my policy of letting this idiot wind blow over.” That’s good advice for anyone still listening to the McCain campaign’s increasingly reckless ad hominem attacks. Sadly, that wind is likely to keep blowing for four more days.”
R.I.P. Roger Moore….
He will be missed.
SolDevVB,
Carbon Creits?
I go to the Goracle for my forgiveness:
http://www.goracle.org/
cosmos_reality- I explained to you multiple times that CO2 (and methane) are NOT the only climate forcings.
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Sun spot?
Volcano eruption?
I just heard that ‘the one’ has backed off the 250k tax limit and is going down to 150..or maybe 100.
Not surprising from someone who lied about public funding of campaigns…
IRS tax table, 2008, filing singly:
0-8025 10%
8025 – 32,550 15%
32,550-78,850 25%
78,850 – 164,550 28%
164,550-357,700 33%
357,700 and up 35%
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So — What’s wrong with a graduated income tax — the same kind of graduated income tax instituted by Teddy Roosevelt…. the great Hero of John McCain….
Here is the Obama TAX policy…. It’s all here… I wish you all would stick with what has been stated publicly MANY times, instead of making up a bunch of LIES!!!
http://origin.barackobama.com/taxes/
Hmmm? 1959?
$5000/year in 1959 was a pretty good wage back then.
In today’s time, it’s about $50,000/year.
Raptor posted October 31, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I just heard that ‘the one’ has backed off the 250k tax limit and is going down to 150..or maybe 100.
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Link please. Or are you just spreading right-wing-nut lies?
I would guess that he will be forced to go down to 150K or so for singles/MFS. The massive debt being left behind by Bush will have to somehow be addressed.
((((((writerdog))))))
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SolDevVB
Posted October 31, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink
OK, I’ve been set straight. Thanx for the schoolin VT.
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Sol, you’re welcome.
Some interesting reading. Some things never change, or, why government can never be the architect of “equality>”
This article shows that the U.S. has a more progressive tax code than the democratic-socialist states of Europe.
Such a state of affairs should not come as a surprise. Our own history shows that the very wealthy benefit from leftist policies of high tax rates, “targeted” taxation and industrial policy.
The ugly truth is that the really wealthy can manipulate the political system to their own ends better than ordinary people. They can lobby for specific tax breaks that only they can take advantage of. They can get government trade protection for their companies. They can get bailouts. If all else fails, the truly wealthy can simply relocate their wealth into whatever area the government policies du jour make the most profitable.
. . . .
The Democrats want to put us on a road back to the 1970s when the rich got off scot free, corporations grew fat and lazy behind trade barriers and high taxes, and inflation and deteriorating government services slammed the middle class. It will happen again. The perverse outcomes are guaranteed by the incentive structure built into our political system.
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/6377.html
and the article referred to:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23856.html
Food for thought. Discuss. This is not new, of course. Everything Obama’s proposed is the same tired proposals we’ve seen again and again.
There IS NOTHING NEW under the sun. There never was.
writerdog
Posted October 31, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink
REGULAR, my better angels are telling me to just drop it as to continue feeds you.
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Nice post, but you haven’t keyed into the mindset of most people who think rationally.
I don’t know any neoconservative, nor do I subscribe to any neoconservative newsletter.
The Neocon label is originally a Democratic party term anyway, not Republican.
You sound like yet another victim of the MSM. That is, you have bought their swill of what the world is like, instead of how it really is.
People have always died in wars and yes, some wars appear to have more justification than others. What is the price of freedom?
Fear, apathy and finger-pointing can be had for free, without cost and without sacrifice. This is the way of the progressive liberal mindset of which you have bought into.
Freedom requires sacrifice, commitment and broad shoulders.
You want the world, the path of work and toil without blisters.
Sorry, it doesn’t always work that way.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 11:44 am | Permalink
SolDevVB,
I explained to you multiple times that CO2 (and methane) are NOT the only climate forcings.
Please explain to us why you have been unable to understand that simple concept. Were you drunk. . .?
Cosmos, the incurable idiot.
Look at the increase in CO2 and methane over the last 10 years. Look at the temperature decrease. It isn’t rocket science to conclude that these gasses have little to no effect on climate.
Here is that graph for you again which shows CO2 at around 100 ppm shooting up to at least 400 ppm.
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=41&tstamp=200709
Look again at the temperature. Dropping off. Are you that mentally challenged that you can’t see that? How about the fact that CO2 chases temperature and does not drive it.
Buy a clue cosmos, you apparently can’t get one on your pwn (intentional spelling).
More silliness from the chief of silliness in the silly season – this time (FINALLY!!!) with the media calling him on it:
Once you get past the soaring oratory, to experience a speech by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is to be hit with an astoundingly lengthy list of promises.
“I don’t know how any reasonable person” could think he’d really be able to accomplish everything he’s pledging to do, said the mother-in-law of a colleague, a Missouri woman who intends to vote for Obama.
No kidding.
If you think that Obama can do what he’s said, and give “95% of Americans a tax cut” (a line we know is false on its face), you’re a fool.
It’s just that simple.
Oh. Here’s the link. sorry.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-claus.html
cosmos…I said I heard it…I don’t have a link at this point. Some people talking in the office. I did not attempt to portray it as fact and labelled it as “I heard” it…
However, seeing ‘the ones’ flip flop on the public funding of campaigns, I would not be surprised..
Unlike mh and mx posting that unattributed garbage supposedly citing how the highly known investigative magazine, vanity fair, uncovered something about an accident mccain might have had.. 40 some years ago.
Ben,
A few days ago, Biden casually mentioned 150k as an example of who should get tax cuts, instead of the millionaires in McCain’s plan.
The right-wing-nuts falsely morphed that into Obama had changed his breakpoints — 200k for singles, 250k for couples.
(engage sarcasm) It’s really terrible that Senator Obama has a vision for the path into the future.
Why would anyone vote for someone who has plans and ideas?
We need more of what we had for eight years. More and more of less less. (sarcasm off)
$10 trillion dollars of debt, and what does Bush have to show for it. A few unfinished projects in Iraq… while American infrastructure falls down…
SolDevVB,
Thank you for again proving that you do not understand the influence of ENSO (record El Nino in 1998, etc) and other factors.
It’s a waste of time to debate drunks, idiots, and SolDevVB.
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp
How Low Can It Go? Richardson Pegs Middle Class as Those Making Under $120,000
For the second time in a week, a prominent Democrat has downgraded Barack Obama’s
definition of the middle class.
For the second time in a week, a prominent Democrat has downgraded Barack Obama’s
definition of the middle class — leading Republicans to question whether he’ll stick to
his promise not to raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000.
The latest hiccup in the campaign message apparently came Friday morning on KOA-AM, when
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson pegged the middle class as those making $120,000 and
under.
Click here to listen to Richardson talk about Obama’s tax plan.
“What Obama wants to do is he is basically looking at $120,000 and under among those
that are in the middle class, and there is a tax cut for those,” Richardson said in the
interview, according to a clip posted on YouTube.
There’s no indication that Obama has changed his tax policy, which states that anyone
making under $200,000 would get a tax cut under his administration.
But the Republican National Committee quickly blasted out an e-mail saying, “At this
rate, it won’t take long until Obama is again raising taxes on Americans making as
little as $42,000 a year.”
“When Barack Obama comes to your door this Halloween, there will be no treats — just
taxes,” the e-mail said.
Joe Biden caused headaches for the campaign Monday when he told a Scranton, Pa., TV
station that Obama’s tax break “should go to middle class people — people making under
$150,000 a year.”
John McCain said the tax threshold was “creeping down,” while the Obama campaign accused
him of lying about Obama’s tax policies.
Fox
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If anyone is gullible enough to believe that Obama will keep his word on the tax plan,
they have forgotten the most important factor on tax collection policy
—Congress
Writerdog:
Prayers to you and your son, for the success of his mission, and his safety. You have every reason to be bursting with pride; they don’t hand those airborne wings out like candy.
Learned a while back my oldest (a Marine – Semper Fi) will be going active in November, and back to Anbar province in January. The youngest (Marine #2) graduates from MOS school (29 Palms) in December.
Yup. I couldn’t be more proud of them.
And each and every young man and woman deserves our respect and gratitude.
GMC70,
But he sounded so good saying it though.
I am a sheep, vote Obama.
He is so composed and did I mention he sounds great when he talks?
I am a sheep, vote Obama.
“GMC70
Posted October 31, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
More silliness from the chief of silliness in the silly season – this time (FINALLY!!!) with the media calling him on it:
Once you get past the soaring oratory, to experience a speech by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is to be hit with an astoundingly lengthy list of promises.
“I don’t know how any reasonable person” could think he’d really be able to accomplish everything he’s pledging to do, said the mother-in-law of a colleague, a Missouri woman who intends to vote for Obama.
No kidding.
If you think that Obama can do what he’s said, and give “95% of Americans a tax cut” (a line we know is false on its face), you’re a fool.
It’s just that simple.”
OMG! A politician running for office that is over-promising! I cannot believe this is not all over the media! I mean, come on, a candidate over-promising, wow, what news!
Sen. John McCain:
“There’s one big difference between me and the others – I won’t take every last dime of the surplus and spend it on tax cuts that mostly benefit the wealthy.” [McCain campaign commercial, January 2000]
“I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers.” [McCain Senate floor statement, May 21, 2001]
“But when you look at the percentage of the tax cuts that – as the previous tax cuts – that go to the wealthiest Americans, you will find that the bulk of it, again, goes to wealthiest Americans.” [NBC’s “Today,” Jan. 7, 2003]
Folks, there are few things in life I would guarantee, but they are: Death, and the fact that Obama’s tax plan as promised will not survive the spring.
The line of those who will see their taxes go up will creep steadily down.
Bet on it.
“$10 trillion dollars of debt, and what does Bush have to show for it. A few unfinished projects in Iraq… while American infrastructure falls down…”
Didn’t he increase the wealth gap more than any other president? Those on the top end of that gap probably think he did exactly what they hoped and paid for. I doubt they’re too worried about the things most Americans are concerned with.
Then for whatever inexplicable reason there are those who vote to ensure even more goes to those haves and have mores, thus will cast their vote for McCain. My Grandmother called such actions, “Cutting off your nose to spite your face.”
Brian –
But wasn’t Obama a “different kind of politics?” Change you “can BELIEVE in?”
Riiiiight.
“GMC70
Posted October 31, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink
Folks, there are few things in life I would guarantee, but they are: Death, and the fact that Obama’s tax plan as promised will not survive the spring.
The line of those who will see their taxes go up will creep steadily down….”
Well, eventually someone has to pay for the spending that has led to a $10.5trillion deficit. (BTW, your share is $34,532)
“GMC70″ –
Interesting, isn’t it, how your son the real Marine is returning to the Sand Box but the alleged-non-ex-Marine who graces this forum isn’t wanted by the Corps in action anymore?
I wonder why that is.
GMC, do you ever have an optimistic thought ? I know it’s possible what you post here is everything negative that ever occurs to you and all the rest is something positive. Just curious. Are you happy everywhere else and just grumpy here?
Joe the Vet Endorses McCain in YouTube’s Most Popular Election Video
A two-minute YouTube video of an Iraq War veteran has become an Internet sensation.
The Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
John McCain’s most powerful ad — an open letter to Barack Obama in which an Iraq War veteran criticizes his stand on the war — didn’t cost the Republican candidate a dime.
In “Dear Mr. Obama,” army veteran Joe Cook stands in front of the camera and scolds the Democratic presidential candidate for calling the Iraq war a mistake. The two-minute video, which was posted on YouTube, has gotten more than 11 million hits and is the most popular election video on the site.
In the video, Cook tells Obama why he disagrees with his Iraq war policies and says he’s supporting McCain. At the end, he walks away from the camera, revealing that he has a prosthetic leg.
Cook, 23, was wounded in Iraq in June and returned home to Wauconda, Ill., to recover.
He said he enlisted three years ago because of his family’s dedication to serving their country. His parents were both marines, and he has two brothers in the military.
Now that he’s back from Iraq, Cook continues to help his fellow service members, running a business with a neighbor that provides valet parking services at veterans’ hospitals.
“When I first got back it was all about the recovery and everything like that, but as
the race starting going on, I got more involved,” he said, explaining why he made the video. “I started reading about McCain and stuff. He’s a leader. I can really respect him, seeing as he’s a vet as well.”
Cook said he has already cast hiis ballot in Illinois early voting.
Video director Michael Brown, who teamed up with Cook to create the video, said he was inspired to make the video because he wanted to share the experiences of soldiers that aren’t reported in the media and to lend support to McCain for his position on the war.
“Obama has been squealing since 2002 that Iraq is a mistake,” Brown said. “He’s using the military as pawns, he has not brought our troops home and he has not done any good.
When he says it’s a mistake, he’s disrespecting our guys.”
“I’m not connected with any campaign,” Brown said. “In fact, what’s interesting is, before this the only thing I’ve ever done politically is put a sign in my yard.”
Brown said he contacted Cook about making the video after meeting him at a parade the town held in Cook’s honor in July. He said he thinks the video’s effectiveness comes from its simplicity.
“Joe collaborated on the script to ensure its authenticity and truthfulness, which was important,” he said. “That’s what works so well.”
Both Cook and Brown are surprised by the popularity of the video.
“Obviously we didn’t think it was going to get up to 11 million hits,” Cook said. “It’s a little crazy, but anything I can do to help. I think it’s a good way to express what I felt and I thought it was good. I thought Mike Brown did a phenomenal job.”
The Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
“GMC70
Posted October 31, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
Brian –
But wasn’t Obama a “different kind of politics?” Change you “can BELIEVE in?”
Riiiiight.”
The change I am looking for from him involves his vision for the future and leadership style.
I don’t vote for a person solely based on their campaign promises (you don’t either I hope)
GMC70 posted October 31, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Folks, there are few things in life I would guarantee, but they are: Death, and the fact that Obama’s tax plan as promised will not survive the spring.
The line of those who will see their taxes go up will creep steadily down.
Bet on it.
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Compare the graphs of Obama’s and McCain’s taxes. Who do you bet will raise taxes more, re the lower- and middle-income brackets?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 12:54 pm | Permalink
SolDevVB,
Thank you for again proving that you do not understand the influence of ENSO (record El Nino in 1998, etc) and other factors.
Cosmos,
Thank you for proving that factors such as ENSO and sunspot activity far outweigh the impact of CO2 and Methane.
The Goracle is going to be pissed at you. DID you buy your carbon credits today?
I guess it will be a change for all of us.
I will go from being disgusted and suspicious to being hopeful, inspired to improve myself and find ways I might help my country.
From what I read here, the change others will experience is they will become disgusted and suspicious.
Any way you look at it, we’ll all change!
Linda, linda, linda.
Always remember: Murphy was an optimist.
And Brian, I vote for a person for president based on their governing philosophy and their accomplishments.
Obama doesn’t have any substantial accomplishments, aside from getting elected, and philosophically he sees gov’t as the solution to nearly every problem. 0 for 2.
As much as I am not a McCain fan (his attack on the 1st Amendment with McCain-Feingold is enough), I cannot in good conscience vote for Obama.
“Didn’t he increase the wealth gap more than any other president?”
What does this “wealth gap” mean anyway? Who cares what other folks make. Shouldn’t we be concerned about what WE make, not how much money others have?
Linda, linda, linda.
Always remember: Murphy was an optimist.
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That one is funny, GMC. Not a bit of grumpiness! ;-)
Once again, I have been asked to go back to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once.
I have volenteered several times and each time they have had enough volunteers.
I am part of a unit which only deploys around 30% of our Marines at a time. We augment other units.
I have explained this to you several times yet you still continue to try to denigrate my service.
You are a worthless pig.
I have served honorably for over 12 years. I have deployed to war once and have been all over the world serving the Marine Corps.
Under the Obama Plan:
Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan.
Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.
Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit.
http://origin.barackobama.com/taxes/
PLEASE READ THIS LINK… At least start with facts, instead of hyperventilating a bunch of neocon nonsense…. Thank you.
Regular posted October 31, 2008 at 1:04 pm
“Obama has been squealing since 2002 that Iraq is a mistake,” Brown said. “He’s using the military as pawns, he has not brought our troops home and he has not done any good.
When he says it’s a mistake, he’s disrespecting our guys.”
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I did not know that our “military” and “troops” made the decision to preemptively invade Iraq in 2003. I thought that invasion was the CiC Bush’s decision.
McCain supporters seem to be confused, and/or ignorant.
“GMC70
Posted October 31, 2008 at 1:10 pm …
And Brian, I vote for a person for president based on their governing philosophy and their accomplishments.”
I never put too much weight on past accomplishments. Each situation one encounters in life has unique circumstances, no two are exactly the same.
Thus, what one did in a past situation with a given set of circumstances is no indication of what they will do in a similar situation in the future with slightly different circumstances. Nor is it an indicator that if they do the same thing in the future as they did in the past they will be successful.
#
Nathaniel
Posted October 31, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
Once again, I have been asked to go back to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once.
I have volenteered several times and each time they have had enough volunteers.
I am part of a unit which only deploys around 30% of our Marines at a time. We augment other units.
I have explained this to you several times yet you still continue to try to denigrate my service.
You are a worthless pig.
I have served honorably for over 12 years. I have deployed to war once and have been all over the world serving the Marine Corps.
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Don’t worry about it Nathan. I know it makes you mad, it makes me mad as well.
People of the left do not respect those who have served. Ninety percent of those who don’t give respect have never served in the Armed Forces and if they did and still complain, they were those who both you and me recognize as the whiners and the malcontents.
I’ve experienced this ’spitting on the vet’ since the days of ‘Nam.
It’s a trademark of the progressive liberal to do so and they are unapologetic.
“I will go from being disgusted and suspicious to being hopeful,…” from lindainks
“If Obama loses it will spark the second American Civil War. Blood will run in the streets, believe me. And it’s not a coincidence that President Bush recalled soldiers from Iraq for Dick Cheney to lead against American citizens in the streets.” from Erica Jong
Must be something about the Lib “brain”.
MH – you owe Nathan an apology for the last shot. But I won’t wait for it; you’re not enough of a man to offer same.
“fleettwood
Posted October 31, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
“Didn’t he increase the wealth gap more than any other president?”
What does this “wealth gap” mean anyway? Who cares what other folks make. Shouldn’t we be concerned about what WE make, not how much money others have?”
How can one be concerned with what they make without something to measure it against?
“GMC70
Posted October 31, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink
MH – you owe Nathan an apology for the last shot…”
GMC70 I do agree with you on that.
“I never put too much weight on past accomplishments.”
Libs: Accomplishments? Who needs them!
Brian – while past performance is no guarantee of future performance, certainly (gosh, where have I heard that before? ;-)), it is also absolutely true that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
Words mean nothing. Actions count. Obama’s provided lots of very pretty words, but there’s scant actual accomplishment behind them.
“How can one be concerned with what they make without something to measure it against?”
That doesn’t even make sense.
From above — regarding the U-tube hit piece >>>>
‘“Obama has been squealing since 2002 that Iraq is a mistake,” Brown said. “He’s using the military as pawns, he has not brought our troops home and he has not done any good.’
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Since when can a SENATOR bring troops home?Especially since there is nearly a tie on Senate votes??
Even with the Democrat Senate, there is not a 60 vote majority…. So, what is this nonsense that Obama hasnt brought ur troops home??
He cant do THAT until he proudly occupies the Oval Office…
GMC70 posted October 31, 2008 at 1:10 pm
… and philosophically he sees gov’t as the solution to nearly every problem.
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False. You should have watched the 30 minute ad, instead of alphabetizing your CDs.
MonkeyHawk apologize?
Yeah right.
You are right Regular. What has MonkeyHawk done to serve this country?
Yet he has the audacity to question my service?
McCain’s desperate attacks don’t seem to be working very well. . .
‘Gallup Daily: Obama’s Lead Widens Some on All Bases
Advances to 8-point lead among “traditional likely voters” ‘
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111679/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Widens-Some-All-Bases.aspx
But, O I want to keep the dollars I earned or will earn. Don’t want more taxes to past money on to somebody else. Call me selfish.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obamas-new-atta.html
“GMC70″ –
You’re usually more intelligent in this forum. Have you been drinking “Nathaniel’s” Kool-Aid?
Or do you really think a President John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) will “lower taxes for everybody,” freeze all government spending (except for Defense, Veterans, and Social Security, of course), and believes the Moose-Dresser the really the second-best person on the planet qualified to lead the Free World.
Every candidate’s plan for taxes, foreign policy, setting priorities, addressing issues and crises is just that: a “Plan.”
Every candidate for President knows those plans are proposals and every proposal will have to face that metaphorical sausage grinder that is the legislative process.
I don’t know if Obama’s proposal offer college scholarships in return for some sort of national service will become law. But it tells me Obama has a better idea than the usurious College Loan program the Republic Party-dominated Congress drove through to reward their buds in the banking business.
Remember the Bank of Horton?
They couldn’t even take free money from the government competently.
Barack Obama has shown how he approaches issues, he’s shared his thought processes, he’s consulted with a variety of highly-respected experts.
McTurncoat has turned away from the “principled” positions that lost him the 2000 Republic Primary to George WMD Bush and embraced both Shrub (literally) and right wing-nut bumper sticker slogans smears from Karl Rove’s tattered and battered playbook.
The John McCain of 2000 would never have voted for the John McCain of 2008.
You know that.
Everyone knows that.
And, were the “Maverick” actually get into office, which of his all-over-the-map “principled” positions do you think he would enact?
A tax-cut for “everyone.”
A hatchet to federal spending?
A hundred years in Iraq?
Demonstrating just what it is that proves he “knows how to get bin Laden” (but won’t tell us, or even George WMD Bush unless we elect him”?
That’s really “Country First,” isn’t it?
Since when can a SENATOR bring troops home?Especially since there is nearly a tie on Senate votes??
DING!!!!
What is “Vote no on the funding bill”
I’d like “Complete Idiots” for $400 Alex.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/McCain-Bush-Hug.htm
Go to the back of the bus (opps airplane). What’s the idea of tossing us MSM reporters off your airplane?
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashopp.htm
Sickening, isn’t it Nathan? To think that serving our country results in protecting the rights of the pigs that insult and denigrat that service.
Semper Fi, brother.
“denigrate”..I can spell, I can, I can…
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MH
Lest they forget…………
“The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
——Cicero – 55 BC
Semper Fi Raptor.
Thank you to GMC70. Thank you for your sons service as well.
God Bless them.
Same to you WriterDog.
I will be in Quantico in December to help train some of the Marines going overseas.
It is rather amazing that they would let someone like me train those going over if you listen to the crap MonkeyHawk spews.
I helped train Marines last year this time too.
In everything from Marksmanship, to throwing Grenades, to employing the multiple weapons systems the Marine Corps uses.
Nat,
You work with the Mark 19? DAMN that is fun to fire !!!!
“Nathaniel” admits –
I have been asked to go back to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once.
They asked you to go?
And you didn’t go?
You turned down a request from the Corps?!
“I have volenteered several times and each time they have had enough volunteers.”
But when they asked you “.. to go back to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once” you stayed in Kansas?
“GMC70’s” son is returning to the line of fire. You’re safe in Kansas standing by to shoot anyone who hurts your dog.
The Marines know what they’re doing. And you obviously are more valuable to them here than there, boy. Own up to it.
cosmos, thanks for the link. That is my all-time favorite pic of the two men. In fact, I think it’s the only pic of either that makes me smile.
Linda,
Then you’ll like this one as well.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/Obama-Dunks-Hillary.htm
MonkeyHawk,
Are you trying to be dumb on purpose? If you are it is working.
They ask, I say yes, then they say enough people already said yes.
Get it now, idiot?
LMFAO.
cosmos turned on the faucet of giggles with that link.
This one is priceless.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/Hillary-s-Sniper-Fire.htm
mh…you obviously have no clue what you are babbling about. Military duty is not as simple as you perceive it to be.
give it up, will you? Nathan has served our country loyally and with honor..while all you do is figuratively spit on that service.
SolDevVB,
I was an Amphibious Assault Vehicle crew chief on active duty.
One of the weapons systems was the MK19.
I have fired more 40mm Grenades than I can remember.
Same think with the M2 .50.
“Barack Obama lays plans to deaden expectation after election victory”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5051118.ece
The Ma duece. Know it well. It is all about the headspace and timing.
The SAW. Kinda like it. Hate to carry it. The M-60 is far superior on many fronts IMO. I heard they are phasing them out though. Damn shame, that.
This one is a little scary…
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/McClinton.htm
Nathan, has the corps done any work with the .260? A while back I read an article that implied that a few units had access to the caliber and that possibly the military would be considering it for urban use. Do you know if this is factual?
Just for you Monkey (you’ll like the one after it too.)
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/Get-Off-My-Lawn.htm
Sol have you seen the Castro-Hillary pic? I have lost the link.
OK last one and probably the best.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/Obama-and-Kennedy.htm
SolDevVB
Posted October 31, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
Since when can a SENATOR bring troops home?Especially since there is nearly a tie on Senate votes??
DING!!!!
What is “Vote no on the funding bill”
I’d like “Complete Idiots” for $400 Alex.
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Sure…. and what were those who DID vote against a funding bill called??? Hmmmm?? They were called UnAmerican, and AGAINST the troops….
Nice little trap you got there, eh???
If they vote FOR the funding, then they arent doing anything to bring home the troops…. If they vote against the funding, then they are dumping on the troops….
Must be nice living in fantasy land….
The entire point made in that Video, is that Obama isnt bringing the troops home…
I CHALLENGE you to post here as to just how a SENATOR can issue any order to bring home the troops….
Okay, I apologize.
It wasn’t “Nathaniel,” it was “Nathan” –
“If you ever shot any of my dogs, you would disappear.
Your car would disappear.
No one would ever find you or know what happened to you.
I feel sorry for the person who decides they are going to shoot any of my dogs.”
Posted by: Nathan | November 28, 2007 at 01:32 PM
Hey GM,
I share your pride! When my boy graduated boot camp it was the proudest day of my life! He continues to make me proud every day!
He has re-enlisted in the the reserves again so he’ll be going back in a year or so.
For you, writerdog and others with sons and daughters in the service, thanks and they are in my prayers.
Yahtzee!
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/us-republican-party/images/779383
send them on Anti
GMC, writerdog, and all others similarly situated: may your children do their duty well, be safe, and return to you whole, both physically and psychologically.
They were called UnAmerican, and AGAINST the troops….
Sounds like they are a little too thin skinned to be in public office.
So chas, you support senators that are more affraid of name calling than doing what they feel is right? You have some pretty low standards.
I CHALLENGE you to post here as to just how a SENATOR can issue any order to bring home the troops….
DING!!!!
What is “Vote no on the funding bill”
I’d like “Complete Idiots” for $400 Alex.
Pretty funny stuff Anti
HLP…I understand your pride. My nephew is now in his 3rd tour in the sandbox. thankfully for family stateside, he is in Kuwait this time. He finds it not nearly as challenging as being in the middle of the Green Zone like his first 2 tours. Just got an email from him..they had RAIN and flooding last night–very rare.
local connection…his CO (441st Med)is the principal from Wichita (I have forgotten his name) that was highlighted in the paper.
when I learned of his 3rd tour, he told me he had once again volunteered…saying he is a soldier, there is a war on, and that is where he belongs.
Agree/disagree with the war is immaterial when you consider the service of people like that. I am incredibly proud of his outlook and his service!
Heard McCain’s camp has not allowed some writers from newspapers on this plane. Nice.
SolDevVB
Posted October 31, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink
Pretty funny stuff Anti
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That one of Hillary brings a grin to my face every time….I am happy not to be a politician!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76ZXckG40gs
I may have to do some research. The use of the .260 cal has re-sparked my interest…or maybe Nate will respond later.
SOL —- a NO vote on a funding bill is no good, if there arent enough NO votes to support it… The NO vote doesnt move even ONE troop closer to home….
I Challenged you to post here how a SENATOR can issue an order to bring home the troops…. YOU have failed to do so….
My turn to call on Alex…. $500 for “hypnotized voter mentality”
Y’all have a great Halloween and a safe weekend.
Oh, and Sol —- There have not been enough Senators to vote NO to make that happen….
Duh……
Since none of the CONs took my challenge to find out what income tax rates were like back in the 50’s, here it is–
According to Snopes.com, the tax rate on the highest incomes exceeded 50 percent as early as 1932. [No wonder one of Bush's ancestors wanted to kill FDR.] By 1955 [under Republican President Eisenhower] it was 91 percent.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/trivia/1955comments.asp
link above
Three old ladies decide to take in a baeball game… To make things exciting, and to celebrate the event, one of them smuggles in a bottle of old crow in her purse….
The afternoon is gorgeous… the game progresses…. At one point, the bottle of old crow is empty….
Can you describe the situation when the old crow bottle is empty???
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
Use the Obama Tax Cut Calculator to Learn How Much Money You’d Save
Biden simply misspoke. No change in the plan….
MonkeyHawk,
And no where did I say anything about shooting someone or using deadly force.
Lies…lies…lies…
The imagination is a wonderful thing, but the truth is that as long as you leave my dogs alone there is no problem.
OK, so I gotta answer chas, then I’m off.
SOL —- a NO vote on a funding bill is no good, if there arent enough NO votes to support it
So you support senators that vote with the flow instead of what the feel is the right thing to do? Again, pretty low standards.
I Challenged you to post here how a SENATOR can issue an order to bring home the troops…. YOU have failed to do so….
DING!!!!
What is “Vote no on the funding bill”
I’d like “Complete Idiots” for $400 Alex.
Yep, Capn, that’s correct as to the highest marginal rates for the years cited. Now, from memory, long term capital gains in the 1950s forward through the 70s, or thereabouts, were handled by excluding half the gain, taxing the other half at the applicable rate. This was changed for a few years, don’t recall when but somewhere in the 1970s sixty percent of the gain was excluded, with the balance taxed at the applicable rate. Of course, “back in the day”, the first $100 of dividend income was excluded from gross income; seems to me from memory, there was a similar exclusion for interest income.
SolDevVB posted,
DING!!!!
What is “Vote no on the funding bill”
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Try another one. . .
DING!!!!
What is “President Bush VETOED the funding bill that included a timeline.”
Hey Raptor,
Thanks. Nathan is a Marine. He’s currently the acting ‘Gunny’ at the reserve center. The men that he associates give me pride and hope in this country.
They are the best, brightest, bravest and most patriotic that this country has. When the chips are down, they can’t be beat!
It is not as simple as that, capn. We did not have cable tax, cell tax, higher gas taxes, $50,000 cars to generate sales tax, maximum employee Social Security tax in 1955 was $84.00, and so on and so on.
the myriad of tax changes since 1955 make any one shot comparison an exercise in futlity.
Spot on, Cosmos….
Also, SOL, I already answered the point on the NO vote not being any good, without the support needed…. Add that to the Bush Veto, and all that Video did was throw a mud pie, and hoped it would stick… Which it did… in YOUR face!!
DAMN IT !!!
OK one more…
Chas
Posted October 31, 2008 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
Oh, and Sol —- There have not been enough Senators to vote NO to make that happen….
Duh……
If all the dmocratic senators and house representatives vote no…
duh…
cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
Try another one. . .
DING!!!!
What is “President Bush VETOED the funding bill that included a timeline.”
DING!!!
Why did the spending bill make it to Bush’s desk?
DING!!!
After the veto, why didn’t the house and senate just let the bill die?
DING!!!
Waht is “Pass the buck” Alex?
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CapnAmerica
Posted October 31, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink
Since none of the CONs took my challenge to find out what income tax rates were like back in the 50’s, here it is–
According to Snopes.com, the tax rate on the highest incomes exceeded 50 percent as early as 1932. [No wonder one of Bush's ancestors wanted to kill FDR.] By 1955 [under Republican President Eisenhower] it was 91 percent.
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As raptor pointed out, it ain’t that simple.
One could buy a brand new three bedroom brick home in the 1950s for about $11,000 as well.
Comparing the financial climate of the 1950s to now is interesting, but hardly proves anything as it was fifty years ago.
.260=6.5mm Re: My previous post
What about eight years ago, under Clinton, when the top rate was 39.1 percent? Socialism?
OK y’all. I’m out. Have a great Halloween. Scare the kiddies good & treat them well.
Peace out Sol.
It’s what I’ve been saying all along.
The percentage of income generated by taxes on the wealthy is a total red herring.
Let’s say you make 1 million a year and everbody else makes 10k a year.
Consider these two scenarios:
Scenario A–
You are taxed at 20 percent and everyone else is taxed at 6 percent.
You pay 200,000 in taxes and everybody else pays 600 (600 x 9= 54,000 which we’ll round off to 50K).
The gov’t’s total take is 250K. You paid 200/250ths of that or 80 percent.
Scenario B–
You are taxed at 19 percent.
Everyone else pays no income taxes at all.
You save 10K over Scenario A, but you now get to whine and moan that “your taxes are too high because you paid ALL (100 percent) of income taxes collected.”
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Bottom line–the percentage that the rich pay in income tax collected is irrelevant to whether the tax is “too high” or “too low.”
capn…the way I see it is the tax situation is nothing but a shell game, but unfortunately, a necessary one. I cannot count how many times in the past there have been attempts to ’simplify’ the tax code–and every time it makes it worse.
A complete overhaul, with everyone paying a flat 10% of income with no deductions would eliminate a lot of the confusion/costs/beauracracy. But, that is highly unlikely–too many powerful special interests from accountants to realtors to charities, etc.with enough influence to keep Congress from doing anything meaningful regarding taxes.
Then again…it has been a long time since Congress has done anything meaningful, period.
Good Capn’A! When will I get my 33% of your income? You do know Christmas is a strain on families in my income bracket.
Hey ANTI,
I think the boy went to work. Try back later.
OK — BASEBALL ANSWER >>>>
When the old crow bottle is empty, the situation at the stadium is:
It’s the bottom of the 5th, and the bags are loaded!!
Outta here at 2:37 p.m.
Thanks Hank!
The question is just curiosity, nothing important.
It’s the bottom of the 5th, and the bags are loaded!!
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Bah doomp hiss! Hey yooh! ;)
CraponAmerica- Bottom line–the percentage that the rich pay in income tax collected is irrelevant to whether the tax is “too high” or “too low.”
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So 1 percent is ok?
Ah, Raptor, under your proposal the argument becomes “what is income”, keeping the accountants, lawyers, and bureaucracy gainfully (?) employed in even larger numbers. :-)
As usual, you are spot on AV…thanks for the reminder…and the smile with it!
outta here……
“biased1
Posted October 31, 2008 at 2:40 pm | Permalink
CraponAmerica- Bottom line–the percentage that the rich pay in income tax collected is irrelevant to whether the tax is “too high” or “too low.”
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So 1 percent is ok?”
If the federal budget small enough that a 1% flat tax balances it that would be great!
Hey, we could do like Gov pall around, and send everybody in the country dividend checks, and NO tax on anybody!! Now, there’s a good NeoCon Socialist plan….
Cute pic up top.
My kids are all out of trick or treat now.
My turn to hand out candy.
I always noticed in previous years that houses with con signs in the front yard usually did not participate in Halloween. Cheapskate killjoys.
Heh, but any lil’ John McCain or Sarah Palins come to my door get a big Charlie Brown rock.
Congratulations Senator Obama on raising $150 million in only one month.
Obama: Thanks….it’s a record amount!
You don’t mind if I just take some of it and give it to John McCain do you, he doesn’t have as much.
Obama: You can’t do that!!! I worked hard for that money, I need that money!!!
Not such a good idea or so much fun when it’s your wealth getting spread around now is it.
“BlueJay” shares –
“…any lil’ John McCain or Sarah Palins come to my door get a big Charlie Brown rock.”
I’m a bleeding heart liberal, so I’d probably give ‘em a candy bar anyway.
But it would be fun to refuse an 8-year-old candy because, otherwise, it would be SOCIALISM!!!!
Or, “Come inside to the cat box and pick out your Tootsie-Roll!”
MC70
Posted October 31, 2008 at 12:54 pm | Permalink
Writerdog:
Prayers to you and your son, for the success of his mission, and his safety. You have every reason to be bursting with pride; they don’t hand those airborne wings out like candy.
Learned a while back my oldest (a Marine – Semper Fi) will be going active in November, and back to Anbar province in January. The youngest (Marine #2) graduates from MOS school (29 Palms) in December.
Yup. I couldn’t be more proud of them.
And each and every young man and woman deserves our respect and gratitude.
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Best of luck to your sons. Being the father of a former Marine vet I know the pride you are feeling.
For Incomes Below $100,000, a Better Tax Break in Obama’s Plan
Independent analyses of the presidential candidates’ tax proposals show that those who make less than $250,000 a year would not see their taxes raised under Senator Barack Obama’s plans. Further, Mr. Obama would generally cut taxes more than Senator John McCain would for households with incomes less than $100,000 a year.
more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us/politics/31taxes.html?ref=us
Heh, but any lil’ John McCain or Sarah Palins come to my door get a big Charlie Brown rock.
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How are you going to tell the difference?
Under the Obama Plan:
Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan.
Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.
Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit.
http://origin.barackobama.com/taxes/
PLEASE READ THIS LINK… At least start with facts, instead of hyperventilating a bunch of neocon nonsense…. Thank you.
Boxlock >>>>
Obama paid out Millions for a HALF HOUR TV program…. PAID OUT….
McCain was given a FREE HOUR of TV time on the Larry King Show….
Looks like “spreading the wealth” to me… LOL
$250,000 per year is not wealthy. Why raise their taxes?
Interesting.
I showed beyond a shadow of a doubt how “the percentage of tax collected” from the wealthy had not a shred of logic to it, and the CONs apparently couldn’t understand it.
Let me try again.
This diamond is very valuable. It’s so valuable that it cost me three months worth of pay.
How much did it cost?
If you’re ANTI, it cost 9,000 dollars.
If you’re Warren Buffett, it cost 20 million dollars.
Of course, Buffett’s INCOME taxes are going to be a much bigger percentage of the income tax collected.
He makes a lot of money.
DUH.
It would be a big percentage whether he paid 10 percent of his earnings or 50 percent.
When you make that much money, no matter what percentage you multiple it by–even 1 percent–it’s still going to be a big number and a big percentage of the amount collected.
Capn’A, actually I’m more of a stainless steel kind of guy.
stainless steel is kinda pricey nowadays. you can get a whole roll of shiny aluminum foil for not too much.
lindainks55
Posted October 31, 2008 at 4:37 pm | Permalink
stainless steel is kinda pricey nowadays. you can get a whole roll of shiny aluminum foil for not too much.
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Come on! Tin foil is just tacky! ;)
Former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria this week he intends to vote for Democrat Barack Obama on Tuesday.
Duberstein said he was influenced by another prominent Reagan official – Colin Powell – in his decision.
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The defections keep a coming!!
Sucks to be a McCain Republican.
Why did McCain direct a half million dollars to the spokesman for the PLO in 1998?
Come on you bright Republican koolaid drinkers, why did McCain contribute $$$ to the PLO?
McCain and Ayers…pals of the PLO.
“Why did McCain direct a half million dollars to the spokesman for the PLO in 1998?”
From which blog, pray tell, does this come from?
During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.
A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi’s Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, “West Bank: CPRS” on page 14 of this PDF.)
The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi’s group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of “sociopolitical attitudes.”
Of course, there’s seemingly nothing objectionable with McCain’s organization helping a Palestinian group conduct research in the West Bank or Gaza. But it does suggest that McCain could have some of his own explaining to do as he tries to make hay out of Khalidi’s ties to Obama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html
The Huffington Post? Thank you for the information.
Another slam dunk for you.
Keep drinking the koolaid loser.
mxyzptlk loves older women like Adrianna huff and puff.
This is a public service message regarding Halloween.
If you have any Obama goblins come to your door tonight do not, repeat, do NOT, give them any candy.
The proper response is to ask the child to give you THEIR candy so you may redistribute it evenly amongst all the children.
This is not a political statement (the parents made that decision when they dressed up their child.).
Rather this is an educational experience to teach the children of the Obama Way.
21st Street Reconstruction, K-96 to 159th
Date: October 31, 2008
Contact: Communications Team
Phone: (316) 268-4351
Nov. 10 Start Date – June 2010 Completion
The City of Wichita has contracted with Lafarge North America to reconstruct 21st Street from the K-96 interchange to 159th Street East. A public information meeting will be held at Church of the Magdalen, 12626 East 21st St., at 6 p.m. Monday, Nov. 3, in the school music room.
The 21st St corridor between K-96 and 159th St. East has experienced tremendous growth in the last six years. Traffic volumes on 21st, especially near 127th St East, are exceeding capacity for the existing 2 lane asphalt mat roadway. Traffic counts have doubled in the last six years on this roadway.
This project will provide four lanes with a two-way center left turn lane and landscaped medians, new traffic signals, storm water improvements as well as sidewalk and landscaping. Funding of the $10,240,910 project includes $8,387,723 in federal funds. Work is slated to begin Nov.10. The paving project has a projected completion date in November 2009; restoration of turf areas will be completed in June 2010.
Construction will be performed in two major phases.
Phase 1, from Nov. 10 to Dec. 10, will include removal and replacement of three large drainage structures located between 127th and 143rd Streets. Sections of 21st Street between 127th and 143rd Streets will be closed completely to through traffic, which will be detoured via 13th Street. 127th Street, currently closed due to construction activity, will be reopened to traffic by Nov. 10. Access to local homes and businesses will be maintained.
Phase 2 is expected to begin in December and will continue until early summer of 2010. Work will consist of storm sewer and street construction on 21st Street, as well as construction of intersections at 127th, 143rd, and 159th Streets. One lane of traffic in each direction on 21st Street will be maintained. Left turns at the 127th, 143rd, and 159th Street intersections will be prohibited at times.
Although the existing condition of one lane of traffic in each direction on 21st Street will be maintained during Phase 2, area residents may find it advantageous to utilize the recently widened 13th Street.
Access to businesses will be maintained through the duration of the project with intermittent flagging of traffic.
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RoaCH
Posted October 31, 2008 at 5:23 pm | Permalink
This is a public service message regarding Halloween.
If you have any Obama goblins come to your door tonight do not, repeat, do NOT, give them any candy.
The proper response is to ask the child to give you THEIR candy so you may redistribute it evenly amongst all the children.
This is not a political statement (the parents made that decision when they dressed up their child.).
Rather this is an educational experience to teach the children of the Obama Way.
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No no…
When the kids come up to the door, you take six pieces of candy out of each of their baskets and tell them that it will be redistributed to other children, the Obama way.
(chortles)
He just keeps coming up with hit songs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81brjpteDk
Thank you for your support and well wishes for my son. It is returned in kind and heart felt for everyone whom serves and their families. A point of order, I have never stood silent when someone belittles someone serves no matter in what form it takes. That is not about my son it is the same as before he enlisted.
Nathan is at times young and a bit hot headed but both tend to be tied at times. He serves with honor and done the duty he took on.
He served a tour in a country where its warfare of the worst kind, there is no real front. Because at any time and anywhere is the front. His duty placed him in an area by the norms of warfare would be a prim target for attack on any base.
I had pointed this all out some time ago taking on those whom attacked his service and belittled it.
I am proud to have known him and met him and it is his service that lends some credence to his opinion on the war and Iraq. Unlike some of us whom judge from our armchairs, he did stand where his opinion is.
I wondered if his opinion would change after going to the sandbox and it did not that said a lot.
I have never met GMC sons though I would suspect that he, Hank and I have something in common.
We were blessed with some hell of good boys whom have grown into hell of good men that amazes us daily. They did not have to do what they do in order to get our respect and pride. But they did and that is what others should respect too. God bless them and be with them!
About tax codes and plans. Doesn’t everyone know that as soon as folks can actually understand them and predict how they will affect everybody down the line, cilvilization as we know it is at an end?
“No no…
When the kids come up to the door, you take six pieces of candy out of each of their baskets and tell them that it will be redistributed to other children, the Obama way.”
Tall talk from someone who has held out HIS goody bag to be filled by the public for years.
“Tall talk from someone who has held out HIS goody bag to be filled by the public for years.”
Looks like BlueJay has been spammed.
MH – you owe Nathan an apology for the last shot. But I won’t wait for it; you’re not enough of a man to offer same.
Shouldn’t Regular apologize for his attack on writerdog first?
Y’all want apologies, but none of you are man enough to give them.
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Predestined
Posted October 31, 2008 at 6:07 pm | Permalink
MH – you owe Nathan an apology for the last shot. But I won’t wait for it; you’re not enough of a man to offer same.
Shouldn’t Regular apologize for his attack on writerdog first?
Y’all want apologies, but none of you are man enough to give them.
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The difference is, is that I attacked writerdog’s way of thinking. I believe it has flaws in its source of origin.
MonkeyHock attacks the person for no other reason than Nathan’s service in the Marine Corp.
Obama didn’t give the kid next to him half of his own sandwich. He gave the kid half of a sandwich from somebody elses sandwich.
monkeyhawk, bluejay, maggotpunk:
3 more reasons why this country will not elect Obama.
Thanks for the proud company!
You greedy SOB.
I think what saddens me the very most is that only some who serve are respected by some of our posters. Every man and woman who serves our country, and that includes more than military but I acknowledge that military carries more inherent danger, should be respected and honored. Double standards don’t have a place in this discussion.
Regular, I have shared some good conversations with you. Recently you helped me out of a “funk,” and I thank you for that. What you’ve said to writerdog disappoints me more than I have words to say.
MonkeyHock attacks the person for no other reason than Nathan’s service in the Marine Corp.
I don’t know what you guys expect from Monkeyhawk.
He posts crap like that routinely. It’s his way.
Surely none of you expect him to be a man.
Has Nathaniel ever offered any proof that he really is/was a marine? As much as he whines and cries like a baby I doubt it myself.
The last time I saw writerdog he showed me a picture of his son in full uniform and I gotta tell you there was a beam of pride coming from dog that almost blinded me! He also showed me pictures of his honorable son’s children. What a great man! Both the son and the Dad!
fleetwood
McCain’s enema of the people.
even 1 percent–it’s still going to be a big number and a big percentage of the amount collected.
Screw the percent! Every American should contribute to the nation. Every American.
It is total garbage to say the top 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, etc.. should be contributing a certain arbitary percentage.
It is particularly revolting coming from one of the beggars.
mxyzptlk=chas=squarepeg
Has Nathaniel ever offered any proof that he really is/was a marine?
I had burgers at Hank’s house before Nathan went to Iraq. He blogged on the experience, and a Yahoo group was set up during that time. Mary Caruso and XXX know the family better than I do, and confirm his military status.
So, yeah, I believe it.
There WAS a time when I would have defended Nathan from these sort of things.
But Nathan is in no way short in the nasty and dishonest department himself. If he gives it, he should figure to take it.
The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan.
What is typical? 40% of Americans pay NO federal income taxes. How can they get “tax” relief?
Further, I never, ever, want to see Chas posting about his concern with the federal deficit and the 10 trillion dollar debt.
Obviously there is plenty of money to provide tax cuts – our nation doesn’t need to pay any bills. In Chas eyes.
Rage – I’ll join in backing up nathan on that – I met him long ago at the very first meet-up. He definitely is a marine.
Didn’t he increase the wealth gap more than any other president?
Yep Linda, and when the banks and mortgage companies were about to take a hit – the democrats controlling congress gave them BANKERS 700 billion dollars to bail their rich asses out.
Think about it. Who is keeping the country clubs open? Your own democrat party.
He definitely is a marine.
No he is not. He is a Marine.
O.K., I dogged Monkeyhawk for his spitting on a Marine.
Now I see a post claiming Regular dogged out Writerdog.
I can’t find it. Can someone point it out?
It doesn’t need to be repeated. It hurt too much the first time.
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lindainks55
Posted October 31, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink
I think what saddens me the very most is that only some who serve are respected by some of our posters. Every man and woman who serves our country, and that includes more than military but I acknowledge that military carries more inherent danger, should be respected and honored. Double standards don’t have a place in this discussion.
Regular, I have shared some good conversations with you. Recently you helped me out of a “funk,” and I thank you for that. What you’ve said to writerdog disappoints me more than I have words to say.
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I have over two decades serving in uniform, I know the signs of being scared and blaming others and things when you are scared. Had to cancel many a young troop for transferring their fears irrationally.
I recognize this fear in writerdog, he just hasn’t seen it himself.
er cancel = council
door bell rang early halloween goblins…
It doesn’t need to be repeated. It hurt too much the first time.
Just post the link. Regular, you could point it out for me too.
hmmm, counsel…
:D
A dramatic online video urges Christians to turn out in great numbers at the polls to defend faith, family, marriage and life.
Worth a watch.
http://www.citizenlink.org/videofeatures/A000008556.cfm
The example of someone like you shows me all I need to know about what the military can do to people “Regular”. I wouldn’t let my kid anywhere near it.
Gotta go. My neighbor just brought over a stack of Obama/Biden signs and wants to throw them on our bonfire.
I asked him where the heck he got the, knowing he is a typical Kansas conservative. He said he was paying teenage tricker-treaters 5 bucks for every sign they brought him.
Time to go get toasty and enjoy a brew as the goblins invade us. Remember my words on Obama goblins: Take their candy and redistribute it.
Later!
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RoaCH
Posted October 31, 2008 at 6:44 pm | Permalink
It doesn’t need to be repeated. It hurt too much the first time.
Just post the link. Regular, you could point it out for me too.
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Basically what i posted at 6:42.
Writerdog changed from a conservative thinker to a radical lib over night when his son, against his wished joined the military.
I was just pointing out to writerdog that he let his fear and resentment towards his son change his rational way of thinking.
You’ll find the “conversation” in the thread titled ‘Quiet Season For Commander In Chief.”
I wouldn’t let my kid anywhere near it.
I am sure WriterDog can attest to this. When the time comes – you will have no say so in what your young man decides to do with his life.
There are limits to what even a liberal can control.
Regular, that’s not true, not in any way! Maybe you need to go back and read what you said.
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lindainks55
Posted October 31, 2008 at 6:51 pm | Permalink
Regular, that’s not true, not in any way! Maybe you need to go back and read what you said.
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I just did.
Sometimes the truth does hurt.
I’ve known writerdog longer than I’ve posted here on WEBlog. He came to a point where he disagreed with the direction of our country and the Iraqi war long before his son considered joining the military. And, he still doesn’t agree with that war, but he sure agrees with his son’s decision!
“My neighbor just brought over a stack of Obama/Biden signs and wants to throw them on our bonfire.”
Get close to the fire and inhale heartily!
Writerdog changed from a conservative thinker to a radical lib over night when his son, against his wished joined the military.
Which, of course, is doubly bulls*hit. Dog is not and has not been a “radical liberal”, at least not in recent years. And anyone who can read the archives of this Blog can see that his view of Bush has been pretty damn consistent over the past 3 years.
Dog handled it quite well on the aforementioned thread, and it really doesn’t deserve further discussion.
I was gonna go wreak Halloween havoc on Palin or McCain signs.
But I’ve only ever seen two and I got both of them already.
Spin it all you want, CONs.
I don’t denigrate “Nathaniel’s” service. I merely question why the Marines want some of their corps to return to the Sand Box for third or fourth tours and, for some reason, think they’re better off over there with him not fighting beside them. The Marines would rather take their chances with high-school dropouts and ex-convicts straight out of Boot Camp than “Nathaniel.”
We see him simpering and whining in this forum nearly every day. He regularly judges others’ Christianity as if he were some kind of prophet from on high.
There’s something — probably a lot of somethings — about the boy that ain’t right.
Cool! Michael Moore is on countdown.
Regular posted October 31, 2008 at 5:26 pm
No no…
When the kids come up to the door, you take six pieces of candy out of each of their baskets and tell them that it will be redistributed to other children, the Obama way.
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No, that’s part of the EARLIER, SOCIALIST McCain plan.
“I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers.” [McCain Senate floor statement, May 21, 2001]
You’re supposed to use the NEW McCain plan.
Give MORE candy to children who have wealthy parents, and LESS candy to those with poor parents.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink
Regular posted October 31, 2008 at 5:26 pm
No no…
When the kids come up to the door, you take six pieces of candy out of each of their baskets and tell them that it will be redistributed to other children, the Obama way.
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No, that’s part of the EARLIER, SOCIALIST McCain plan.
“I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers.” [McCain Senate floor statement, May 21, 2001]
You’re supposed to use the NEW McCain plan.
Give MORE candy to children who have wealthy parents, and LESS candy to those with poor parents.
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You’re right, Obama will take the candy from the rich and give the poor the wrappers.
Everyone should respect mult-nic’d, “Kansas values”(sic) Regular, because he served in the U.S. military.
Regular posted October 30, 2008 at 6:32 am
-Obama rapes 9 year old girl on pony ride. MSM rates him 100 percent.
There are THREE houses on my block giving out treats.
Pathetic. What has happened to people’s Halloween spirit?
Kids should go back to doing the tricky part maybe.
Palin wouldn’t be able to get citizenship in Australia. Dr. denied citizenship because son has Downs syn.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_re_au_an/as_australia_residency_denied_9
Wow….what a first lady(?) she’d be!
http://cdnll-4.liveleak.com/s/18/media18/2008/Oct/6/LiveLeak-dot-com-235331-michelle_obama_screaming_3.jpg?h=45fae73ff379cfce67c6095a15935c65&e=1226103643&rs=150
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 7:16 pm | Permalink
Everyone should respect mult-nic’d, “Kansas values”(sic) Regular, because he served in the U.S. military.
Regular posted October 30, 2008 at 6:32 am
-Obama rapes 9 year old girl on pony ride. MSM rates him 100 percent.
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Yeah cosmos, I posted that in Dubious headlines section.
But keep arm flailing cosmos.
The mccain plan would be if 4 came to the door, you throw two pieces on the ground and let the poor buggers scrap for it, whle you stuff two in your own mouth.
THIS is a public appeal to John McCain.
Please stop doing air quotes with your fingers.
Your misshapen and usually scowling, malevolent face together with the claws up is frightening for young children!
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Phantom
Posted October 31, 2008 at 7:23 pm | Permalink
Palin wouldn’t be able to get citizenship in Australia. Dr. denied citizenship because son has Downs syn.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_re_au_an/as_australia_residency_denied_9
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Must be a bunch of liberals in that section of Australia.
Of course, those libs would have aborted the child before he had a chance to live.
Regular posted October 31, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Yeah cosmos, I posted that in Dubious headlines section.
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‘Quiet season for campaigner in chief‘
Regular posted October 30, 2008 at 6:32 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/quiet-season-for-campaigner-in-chief/#comment-458892
Watch the polls if Obama becomes President.
-Obama starts a war! MSM rates him 100 percent
-Obama bankrupts the country into a deep financial depression – MSM rates him 100 percent
-Obama rapes 9 year old girl on pony ride. MSM rates him 100 percent.
Ah, more posts from cosmos, the hard core dues paying and life long member of NAMBLA.
Is Bob advising Liddy?
Accusing her opponent whose a sunday school teacher of being an atheist! Gettin desperate.
http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_10867414?source=rss
“Regular
Posted October 31, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Ah, more posts from cosmos, the hard core dues paying and life long member of NAMBLA.”
Any proof of that?
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bth
Posted October 31, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink
“Regular
Posted October 31, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
Ah, more posts from cosmos, the hard core dues paying and life long member of NAMBLA.”
Any proof of that?
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Any proof it isn’t?
Regular posted October 31, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Ah, more posts from cosmos, the hard core dues paying and life long member of NAMBLA.
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Regular,
You served in the U.S. Air Force? For how many years?
Regular posted: “Obama rapes 9 year old girl on pony ride”
And then Regular falsely attacks me, for what he posted.
Regular proudly represents the U.S. Air Force, and everyone in the U.S. military.
Any proof you don’t have an ….improper relationship with your sister there Jimmuh?
Is THIS a Freudian slip of what McCain has in mind for us? “My fellow prisoners”?
Take special note of how Sarah and Cindy catch it as old John misses his own words completely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mBi7d6e5KI
Regular proudly represents Nathaniel (Marines) and Hank (Navy).
Not to worry BlueJay – his little sister “Bobbitized” him.
No cosmos – I must disagree. I’m sure nobody in the military would claim Reguliar.
See, cosmos doesn’t deny it and he has no proof he is not a life dues paying member of NAMBLA.
Ben,
Maybe nobody in the military would claim Reguliar, but he DOES proudly represent Nathaniel, Hank, and all of them.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 8:20 pm | Permalink
Ben,
Maybe nobody in the military would claim Reguliar, but he DOES proudly represent Nathaniel, Hank, and all of them.
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cosmos still doesn’t deny it, because he can’t disprove it without revealing his identity.
How could McCain pick someone this clueless for his VP nominee?
‘Palin Fears Media Threaten Her First Amendment Rights’
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-fears-med.html
Regular
We can just ignore your posts from now on.
You aren’t interesting in discussing anything:)
Sarah Palin’s hometown newpaper has offically endorsed Obama.
Reguliar,
I don’t have to disprove it, because everyone knows that you are a LIAR.
Ah, more posts from cosmos, the hard core dues paying and life long member of NAMBLA.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 31, 2008 at 8:27 pm | Permalink
Reguliar,
I don’t have to disprove it
Because I can’t.
‘Quiet season for campaigner in chief‘
Regular posted October 30, 2008 at 6:32 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/quiet-season-for-campaigner-in-chief/#comment-458892
-Obama rapes 9 year old girl on pony ride.
Regular?
The next one uses your real name.
Do you have any proof that you don’t have your sister stand naked on the kitchen table while you throw fresh fruit at her?
Amazing what sore losers Reg and company are…they have gotten so nasty and mean, just like their candidate!
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 31, 2008 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
Amazing what sore losers Reg and company are…they have gotten so nasty and mean, just like their candidate!
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No comments on BlueJay’s conduct?
What a shock.
My husband is a registered Republican and HE even voted for Obama. It’s the first time we’ve voted for the same candidate, the right choice is that obvious.
I’m ignoring you…you aren’t interested in discussing anything.
What I’m most excited about it that Obama actually understands the health care crisis and has workable solutions to bring down health care costs and provide affordable coverage to those who are uninsurable or don’t have it offered through their employer.
There are so many things he has such good insight into, it’s been a long time since we’ve had a president with such intelligence, common sense, and integrity.
I, for one, am shocked that Mary does have a comment about BlueJay’s words. Maybe he is just voicing what she is thinking.
Even though the Democrats have outnumbered the Republicans in early voting, I wonder how many of those Republicans also voted for Obama..
“I, for one, am shocked that Mary does have a comment about BlueJay’s words. Maybe he is just voicing what she is thinking”
I don’t think I commented on Blue Jay’s words :)
I’m talking about Max, Box, Reg, and all teh other cons who are foaming at the mouth angry because Obama is winning….didn’t they ever learn as children how to be a graceful losers?
I haven’t voted yet. I might go tomorrow, but probably will wait in line on election day. I’m cautiously optimistic, and very hopeful!
I would think you’d all be excited that the country is going in a different direction from the last 8 years….do you really think it’s been that good? Why would you want things to stay the way they are?
“I’m cautiously optimistic, and very hopeful!”
I’m just plain excited….I’ve been waiting for this day for 8 years. Good nite ‘all!
The German doctor was on a specific work permit in Australia and no country I know takes in downs syndrome cases for citizenship candidates. If however the family were Australian or immigrants granted citizenship and the child born thereafter, then the universal care package would take care of the child, no problem. Many people try to get into countries with universal care for precisely that reason. Including Americans…..honest.
“I’m just plain excited”
I’m trying really hard not to get excited until I know for sure. It’s too important and I must be patient for a few more days. If Senator Obama is elected I’ll be giddy for days!
(CNN) — Some tough news for John McCain in his own backyard, as his home state of Arizona moves from “safe McCain” to “lean McCain” in the latest CNN poll of polls.
And the Republican nominee continues to lose ground in reliably-red areas, as North Dakota moves from “lean McCain” to “toss-up” – meaning three electoral votes that had been counted for McCain are now considered up for grabs.
Heh HEH!
The cons are turning on their own.
Radio ranter Mark Levin is going on right now about traitors to the party.
Levin is probably the battiest of right. HE may not survive this election.
(Crosses fingers)
And POOR Lawrence Eagleburger. HE makes a few comments doubting Palin and 24 hours later, he sounds like the GOP thugs showed up at his house and …”enlightened” him. He couldn’t apologize enough today.
Neither Levin nor Savage deserve to survive this election…. nor glenn beck, nor limbaugh, nor hannity, nor ingrahm, coulter, larson, or doyle…. They have all shot off their wads SO deceitfully, that they dont deserve to survive…. unless they get their heads together with Drudge, and develope a new format…. LOL
BTW, RoaCH — stop smokin that funny weed… its giving you paranoia!! LOL
This time a year from now, each and every one of them will have to give equal time to the truth.
It doesn’t roll off the tongue like a right wing chant, but?
FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, Baby, FAIRNESS DOCTRINE!
“The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.”
The Fairness Doctrine never required EQUAL time for differing views… just some time.
More here >>>>
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm
Of course the lie of the Right Wing ON AIR TALKING HEADS is that they will be run off the air by a new Fairness Doctrine, and that all stations would have to grant EQUAL time… Which is patently FALSE… See link above…
A great column — starts about 1/2 way down page.
‘STUPIDEST DISCOURSE EVER! McCain has been making the world’s dumbest claims. Our side has largely allowed it:’
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh103108.shtml
“…
People, there’s your communism! McCain wants a marginal rate of 35 percent. Obama says no — 39! “
This time a year from now, each and every one of them will have to give equal time to the truth.
And that will be a very sad day for American Chas. A very sad day for all of us.
When government decides what people hear with their ears and see with their eyes, we have all lost something.
Please try to think further out, beyond the short term horizon. Our preferred political party will not always be in control of the government. Do you know what that means?
America will have lost something. All of us.
Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views
And who will validate that each station is compliance Chas? Will it be you?
Who will set those standards. What will be the litmus test? of compliance?
And a decade from now, when others are in control, will it still be you deciding?
“This time a year from now, each and every one of them will have to give equal time to the truth.
And that will be a very sad day for American Chas. A very sad day for all of us.”
Ummm…. I DIDNT SAY THAT…. ADJUST YOUR READING GLASSES…. PLEASE…
Far from “ruining” America, restoring the Fairness Doctrine would be a return to the policy that regulated broadcasters from 1949 to 1985.
(Reagan’s FCC ended it with a 4-0 vote; hardly a congressional mandate.)
(It also effectively killed Johnny Carson’s “Floyd R. Turbo” character, since “editorial replies” were no longer offered by local broadcaster.)
After Edward R. Murrow called out Joe McCarthy in 1954, it was the Fairness Doctrine which gave the Wisconsin Senator a full half-hour to defend himself. His “defense” effectively started McCarthy’s personal and political meltdown.
No wonder CONs are against fairness of a limited public resource (i.e., the broadcast spectrum). If they had to be fair, they’d be exposed for the propagandists they are.
dionysus
Posted October 31, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink
Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views
And who will validate that each station is compliance Chas? Will it be you?
Who will set those standards. What will be the litmus test? of compliance?
And a decade from now, when others are in control, will it still be you deciding?
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That’s just plain dumb… If you want to wear the nic of a great thinker, do some thinking…. The FCC has the control of what you try to put on ME… I am just a listener who deserves to hear opposing viewpoints, regardless of what party is in control….
Here…. Read it AGAIN… please note WHAT it says… instead of your pre-conceived notion of what it says >>>>
“The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.”
Thank you…
And once again: The Fairness Doctrine NEVER required equal TIME…. NEVER!!
Well stated Mnkey ^5!!
I’m off to watch some basketball… The NBA has a special place in my TV time…
Nite all — for now!!
It’s more like the “squareness” doctrine. Libs have become so full of themselves, they have become the antithesis of what they once were; creative and spontaneous.
“Further, I never, ever, want to see Chas posting about his concern with the federal deficit and the 10 trillion dollar debt.
Obviously there is plenty of money to provide tax cuts – our nation doesn’t need to pay any bills. In Chas eyes.”
Well, shoot, some of the BDP’s have repeatedly said that Tax Cuts stimulate the economy!!
As for the deficit, and 10 Trillion in debt, that would belong to Bush’s little Private War Machine… How about we let Blackwater, and Haliburton, and the King of Sudi Arabia pay for the war costs… I mean, Bush had to invade Iraq, so as to protect his little Saudi friends…. LOL
Find any burning bags of %^&* on your front porch tonite, Regular?? ROFL!!!
And, of course, a return of the Fairness Doctrine would be a illegally-modified-to-an-automatic-firing-Ingram MAC-10 held to your head, with no opportunity to change the channel or turn the radio off.
Just as a 4-point bump in the highest income tax rate on net income over $250,000 most certainly threatens America with a Stalinist/Maoist/Marxist police state, you CONs’ flailing about a restoration of the Fairness Doctrine reveals you as pathetic Chicken Littles, running around with your heads cut off.
(I mean, your head must be cut off; it’s not doing any thinking.)
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Laura Ingram, Tammy Bruce, Todd Feinberg, the list goes on.
People who produce NOTHING and get millions of dollars for it. People who lie and get the poor to vote to support THEIR greed and power. All on the lie that “Hey? I made it, you can too! Don’t hate me ! LISTEN to me and you can be me too!”
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Chas
Posted October 31, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink
Find any burning bags of %^&* on your front porch tonite, Regular?? ROFL!!!
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Were you on my porch smoking tonight Chas?
BlueJay
Posted October 31, 2008 at 10:46 pm | Permalink
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Neal Boortz, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Laura Ingram, Tammy Bruce, Todd Feinberg, the list goes on.
People who produce NOTHING and get millions of dollars for it. People who lie and get the poor to vote to support THEIR greed and power. All on the lie that “Hey? I made it, you can too! Don’t hate me ! LISTEN to me and you can be me too!”
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Then why do you listen to them day after day dip stick?
Know thy enemy “ANTI”.
BlueJay, you won’t know them so well if the F.D. passes now will you?
Sure I will. Cons don’t dial back. On the contrary, when faced with the truth they just lie louder.
I don’t want to be arguing with the deluded “Joe the plumber” or Jack my co worker or Frank the ditto head.
The last two based on people I know.
I want them with me in going after the CEOs and stockholders.
You do know BlueJay if the F.D. is passed internet radio and satellite radio will get a big jump in profits. Because that’s where talk radio will go.
If F.D. is passed, AM radio is no more. It has been proven by the market that people do not care for liberal radio…Sorry BlueJay, it has been tested over and over and the result is the same, Lib radio sucks. (Of course this is in general)
Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow are beating poor little Bill O’Lielly in the ratings.
Beating him like a rug.
Admit it, CONs.
Your day is done, your race is run.
Put the blame where it belongs:
Worst.
President.
Ever.
Zogby poll McCain ahead of Obama.
CABLE NEWS RACE
THURS, OCT. 30
VIEWERS
Capn’A is full of SH*T…as usual…btw, how is Rush’s sister Capn’A?
FOXNEWS O’REILLY 4,706,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES 4,001,000
MSNBC MADDOW 3,041,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,848,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 2,811,000
CNN COOPER 2,550,000
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 2,419,000
FOXNEWS HUME 2,255,000
CNN KING 1,881,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 1,703,000
“You do know BlueJay if the F.D. is passed internet radio and satellite radio will get a big jump in profits. Because that’s where talk radio will go.”
GOOD! Then people will have to pay to be lied to.
The question YOU have to answer for me “ANTI” originally “ANTI J R” is.
Are you rich?
Evil?
Or just stupid?
BlueJay originally J R,
None of the Above.
Well BlueJay, I have to work tomorrow and vote. So enjoy the rest of the evening.
ANTI,
I have not seen of or heard of the .260 being used in the Marine Corps.
The Marine Corps and military in general have been testing so many different weapons and ammo types that I couldn’t even begin to tell you what all of them are.
I don’t see us doing any kind of large change any time soon as we have just replaced many of our aging M16A2’s with the M4’s and M16A4’s now.
Come on back tomorrow “ANTI” and tell us why you fixated on me and why you vote against your own best interests.
Since you are not rich, evil, or stupid?
Seeing Palin on sellout Greta’s show.
Every few seconds, she looks to Todd for affirmation.
You have cable BlueJay?
Chas
Posted October 31, 2008 at 10:29 pm | Permalink
And once again: The Fairness Doctrine NEVER required equal TIME…. NEVER!!
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“The Fairness Doctrine had two basic elements: It required broadcasters to devote some of their airtime to discussing controversial matters of public interest, and to air contrasting views regarding those matters. Stations were given wide latitude as to how to provide contrasting views: It could be done through news segments, public affairs shows or editorials.”
The Fairness Doctrine never required EQUAL time for differing views… just some time.
More here >>>>
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm
NOW you dumb CONS… STOP LYING!!!
By Nancy Greggs
Why We Fight–Why We’ll Win
Because …
For every pseudo-Christian who has forgotten the importance of Being Thy Brother’s Keeper, there are two people of true faith who remember that message – and have taken it to heart.
For every polluter and defiler of the planet, there are a dozen planters of new trees and devoted sowers of seeds – and they are determined to make the earth flourish yet again.
For every screaming bigot, there are a hundred people who speak of tolerance and acceptance of others – and they will make their voices heard.
For every greed-driven corporate manager, there are a thousand union members who know the value of a hard day’s work – and they will stand together in the face of any opposition to their cause.
For every corrupt politician, there are ten thousand honest citizens who are aware of the consequences of unfettered greed – and they will fight to the end to see justice prevail.
For every warmonger, there are tens of thousands of peacemakers who know the value of all human life – and they will not be deterred in embracing it, and seeing to its preservation.
For every war-profiteer and promoter of world discord for the sake of profit, there are hundreds of thousands of citizens who will cry “enough!” – and are determined to see an end to bloodshed-for-money, or death and destruction for any self-serving reason.
For every torturer, every fear merchant, every seller of violence as a means to an end, there are a million decent people all over the planet who have had enough of the lies and the propaganda – and have set their sights on changing the world for the better, forever.
THIS is our time, our place in history. We have the spirit, we have the enthusiasm, we have the common decency that is necessary – and we have the numbers.
And we will NOT be dismissed, nor demeaned, nor driven from our sense of purpose.
Have no doubt, harbor no misgivings, make no mistake – we WILL prevail.
Ya know?
I never aspired to be rich so much as I wanted to do good.
This probably explains why my allegiance to the Republican party lasted only a few years beyond my youth.
When I HAD money, working and fighting for a good union job? I stayed in the same sort of places that Dick Cheney did in Jackson Wyoming.
I can’t forget the people who wanted desperately to carry my bags, do my laundry or cater to my every whim.
I was just not comfortable with that. Yeah I know, that is how those poor folks are forced to make their living in such wealthy places.
I’m not “Sir”. My dad did not raise me to ever consider myself “sir”.
Dick Cheney calling me “sir”, THAT is what we need. A respect for those who make and do as opposed to those who oversee and take.
How poor is suffering enough for you Nathan?
Yeah I have cable.
I watch it on a 15 inch screen. Upgrade from the 13 inch screed after I saved a TV older than me from the trash.
Point?
Olberman and Maddow beat O’Lielly in the “under 56″ demographic.
No doubt there’re millions of TV’s tuned to Fox News 24-7 in front of snoring geezers wheeled out at the Old Folks’ Home, but that’s not the prime demographic
Where Nathan is going next, probably while I type, is to say that I should not have cable or internet access.
Keep the poor uninformed and out of the fight. THEY should be paying for other things.
Nathaniel posted October 31, 2008 at 11:56 pm
The Marine Corps and military in general have been testing so many different weapons and ammo types that I couldn’t even begin to tell you what all of them are.
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Nathaniel is very fortunate(sic) to live in a country that can spend about $500 BILLION a year on “weapons”, cruise missles, bombs, uniforms, etc.
It must be God’s will.
And also what Jesus wanted.
Amen!
Cosmos,
Do you really care about what Jesus wanted or is it just a talking point for you to use against someone?
John Cleese was on “Countdown” tonight and offered a riff about what one of the Democratic commercials might be if Karl Rove were on our side:
John McCain–
For nearly five years during the most important years of his life, he lived in a COMMUNIST nation. Rent-free! He didn’t pay for his food! He got free medical care from the communist state. He talked only to communists! He listened only to communists!
John McCain.
Too much communism to be trusted.”
Or something like that. Cleese was funnier.
Of course.
But there’s nothing above that isn’t factual.
And there’s nothing above that’s beneath Republic Party propagandists.
Chas,
Well, if you got the information from commondreams, then it must be true!
LOL
Maybe it is just me.
I don’t WANT people distracted by where they are getting their next meal. I don’t want people worried that they will be homeless or without health care.
I WANT those people involved in societal solutions as opposed to being cut out and left on their own. Now that may mean the rich may have to do a few things for themselves and treat those they DO use better than dirt.
Tell me cons where I am wrong.
Good night but no good luck. You have earned what is coming your way.
I look forward to meeting you tomorrow Monkeyhawk.
Nathan will feel, as usual, left out.
I hope he gets the lesson in that.
BlueJay,
I never feel left out. Just point out that you feel some need to rub it in everyones face about your little meeting that you don’t invite too.
Says far more about you than me.
And the fact that you look forward to meeting a pig like MonkeyHawk speaks poorly for you as well.
Cap’n,
Thank you for the 12:27 am post, from Nancy Greggs. She accurately makes multiple, very important points.
“BlueJay,
I never feel left out”
Which of course explains the rest of your post.
And it is not MY meeting.
You cons are so personally possesive!
BlueJay,
Typical liberal argument.
You mischaracterize me in your post. When I respond to correct you then you use that as further proof of your originally flawed mischaracterization.
The typical liberal style. No win.
Nathaniel posted November 1, 2008 at 12:47 am
Cosmos,
Do you really care about what Jesus wanted or is it just a talking point for you to use against someone?
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Nathaniel,
Post your proof that Jesus would want U.S. citizens to spend about $500 BILLION a year on military expenses.
If you have trouble posting that proof, just ask the Christian, multi-nic’d, “Kansas values”, U.S. Air Force veteran for help.
Regular posted October 30, 2008 at 6:32 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/quiet-season-for-campaigner-in-chief/#comment-458892
-Obama rapes 9 year old girl on pony ride.
cosmos is a card-carrying, lifetime member of NAMBLA
Cosmos,
I don’t think that you could make a clear case either for or against such a specific thing as the US spending 500 billion a year on the military.
Jesus never said that he wanted people to eat popcorn and watch movies, but I am pretty sure that it is not a sin or wrong to do so.
Through out the Old Testament God used military might and war to carry out his will. He ordered nations to war and militaries to fight.
Even in the New Testament God used a soldier to help him.
I think there is a rather clear case that God is not against a military.
I don’t see any biblical reason to be opposed to our nation having a stong military.
Do you?
“And the fact that you look forward to meeting a pig like MonkeyHawk speaks poorly for you as well.”
Well gosh being looked down upon and judged by such as Nathan is new and hurtful to me.
Not.
“And the fact that you look forward to meeting a pig like MonkeyHawk speaks poorly for you as well.”
I’m not a mean person Nathan. But given your post, I have to ask.
Just who it is that wants to meet you?
I don’t want to meet you again and I don’t know any new seekers of your…..you.
Goodnight.
BlueJay,
I have a wide variety of friends that I hang out with who have nothing to do with this blog.
This is where I come to argue while I watch TV and surf the internet.
The fact that I occasionally get to meet people here is merely an added plus.
If I never meet anyone here, my social life will go on just fine.
My world doesn’t begin and end here.
Oh, and okobserver and Regular want to meet still.
You may not know of any liberals that want to meet me, but do you intolerant hypocrites want to meet any of the cons here or invite them?
Cruel of me this…
The post at 1:40?
Price ful.
Nathaniel posted November 1, 2008 at 1:33 am
Jesus never said that he wanted people to eat popcorn and watch movies, but I am pretty sure that it is not a sin or wrong to do so.
Through out the Old Testament God used military might and war to carry out his will. He ordered nations to war and militaries to fight.
Even in the New Testament God used a soldier to help him.
I think there is a rather clear case that God is not against a military.
I don’t see any biblical reason to be opposed to our nation having a stong military.
Do you?
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Thank you Nathaniel, for admitting that that you have NO proof that Jesus would want Americans to waste about $500 BILLION a year on a military budget.
Cosmos,
Thank you for proving that you have no proof that Jesus wouldn’t want Americans to “waste” about 500 billion a year on a military budget.
Keith Olbermann in trouble – not paying taxes
Keith Olbermann Becomes Latest Liberal Pundit With Tax Warrant
by Matthew Sheffield.
What is it with liberal pundits and taxes? MSNBC blowhard Keith Olbermann has become the latest liberal political figure to get in trouble for failing to pay his government dues, our friends at Olbermann Watch report:
New York State has issued a tax warrant against Keith Olbermann for failure to pay taxes on his humbly named personal corporation, Olbermann Broadcasting Empire, Inc. Olbermann is listed in legal records as the President of Olbermann Broadcasting Empire, Inc.
A call to the Albany County Clerk’s Office in upstate New York confirmed that the warrant is still outstanding and that Olbermann has still failed to pay his back taxes. State records show that Olbermann’s company failed to pay $2,269.50 in state taxes. A judgement was entered against Olbermann last summer (Docket Date: 8/21/2007), just weeks before Olbermann closed on a a luxurious $4.2 mm condo at Trump Palace, at 200 East 69th Street.
Olbermann also had some troubles California where he was held in judgment for failing to pay the state over $77,000 in back taxes.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2008/05/31/keith-olbermann-becomes-latest-liberal-pundit-tax-warrant
Nathaniel,
Since you are unable to prove that Jesus wants the U.S. of America to waste about $500 BILLION a year on military expenses. . .
maybe you can help the Christian, multi-nic’d, “Kansas values”, U.S. Air Force veteran Regular prove his claim?
Regular posted November 1, 2008 at 1:28 am
cosmos is a card-carrying, lifetime member of NAMBLA
Cosmos,
At what point did it become my claim that Jesus wants us to spend 500 billion on our military?
I never made that claim. I am not trying to make that claim.
So why do you keep expecting me to?
And what does that claim have to do with Regular?
“Oh, and okobserver and Regular want to meet still.”
That is YOUR party Nathan.
I have met more posters than anyone on this forum. I know no one who wants to meet you or okie or “Regular”.
Learn from that.
BlueJay,
I don’t care.