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“”We’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”
– Moose-Dresser Sarah Palin, quoted by the New Yorker, a few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President.
“”We’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”
And THAT, my friends, is the heart communism.
Ya ya, fer sure, doin’t ya know, eh?
Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, liberals and serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, whigs and tories, republicans and federalists, aristocrats and democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last appellation of aristocrats and democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all.
* Letter to Henry Lee (August 10, 1824)
Guess who said that?
Jefferson?
Andrew Jackson is my personal political hero.
Pleef, I will not say yay or nay just yet. I want others to take a stab. :)
Okey-dokey.
All of those Founding Father’s dealt with the British Aristocracy, they knew why we had to fight it. Now, we’re so dumbed down and “right” that we can’t see the forest for the trees.
Those founder’s warned us this would happen. And just like kid’s that are too smart for their parents’…
Oh my…
How Todd “First Dude” Palin spent his weekend –
http://tinyurl.com/59mmv4
All of those Founding Father’s dealt with the British Aristocracy, they knew why we had to fight it.
True enough. Did aristocracy end with the Revolution?
Squeeeeeeeeee!
Ahr, ahr, ahr
Pretty brutal, but a man’s got to eat. Didn’t see any soy beans in that snow.
Rage, I think your date is wrong and I vote for T.J.
Not at all Rage, Bushco and Kerry are prime examples of Aristocracy. Nevermind the Rockefeller’s and those types.
I believe that Bushco can claim status as ancestors to old pirates and privateers who dealt opium to Chinese people. They still continue dealing dope to this day. But they look very high-class and respectable doing it.
Democrats often purport to be concerned about privacy rights, but those claims are about as credible as their claim to be tax-cutters.
The case of Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher is an object lesson in how Obama and his supporters try to destroy anyone who even inadvertently gets in their way. Once Wurzelbacher was thrust into the limelight after Obama approached him in his driveway, Democrats swung into action to try to discredit the plumber by ransacking records on file with the State of Ohio. These efforts–the ones that have come to light so far–are recounted in the Columbus Dispatch:
Authorities in Toledo and Cleveland confirmed today that workers accessed Wurzelbacher’s driving record and vehicle information through state computer systems in checks uncovered by The Dispatch. …
The Toledo Police Department announced that a records clerk improperly pulled Wurzelbacher’s information on behalf of a reporter for a Toledo television station the day after the Oct. 15 presidential debate. …
Altogether, the Dispatch identifies four separate violations of Wurzelbacher’s privacy by Democrats in Ohio’s state bureaucracy who improperly accessed his records, hoping to find information helpful to the Obama campaign. This is the worst one:
Inspector General Thomas P. Charles also is investigating why the director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services approved a check on Wurzelbacher through the state’s child-support computer system.
Director Helen Jones-Kelley said that after a “team meeting,” she OK’d the check because the department often runs inquiries to check for unpaid child support on people thrust into “the public spotlight.”
Is that disgusting, or what? They actually held a “team meeting” to decide to spy on Wurzelbacher on Obama’s behalf. As it happens, Wurzelbacher doesn’t pay child support, but they apparently thought there was no harm in checking. The Director of the Department of Job and Family Services denies that she was trying to help Obama:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/10/021908.php
sorry, not as ancestor’s but have ancestor’s that were…
shti, that don’t make sense either…
is it 3:45 yet?
is it 3:45 yet?
4:56 here. Should I wait on the wingnuts to weigh in?
Wingnuts will have the answer…always do.
Wingnuts will have the answer…always do.
Hehe, well, an answer, anyway!
Democrats wants tax increases for all. Obama and Biden keeps lower the barrier of the so called rich. Since we all live in the good old USA we are all rich.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10292008/news/politics/biden_blows_fuzzy_tax_math_135787.htm
Will the City PLEASE hire an “advisor” to study what should be done with the boathouse?
Say $40 or $50 thou. ought to do it.
All for? yea,yea,yea,yea,yea,yea,yea….
Opposed?………….
New York post george?
If you EVER want to be taken seriously here, you’ll have to do better than that.
I believe Aristotle taught about the two parties. One was the oligarchs, but I forgot what he called the equivalent of Democrats. Ask Republicans if they are oligarchs and they will always tell you no.
In their fists they squeeze us
While preaching about Jesus
Heh, well, beber, I guess they did come up with the word too!
Democracy is a form of government in which the supreme power is held completely by the people under a free electoral system. It is derived from the Greek ?????????? ([dimokratia] (help·info)), “popular government”[1] which was coined from ????? (d?mos), “people” and ?????? (kratos), “rule, strength” in the middle of the 5th-4th century BC to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek city-states, notably Athens following a popular uprising in 508 BC.[2
Lazy Wiki-cite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
damned right beber.
Will the City PLEASE hire an “advisor” to study what should be done with the boathouse?
I had a formal dinner at the Boathouse once. The food sucked, but I got to meet some truly evil people. It was instructive.
If we’re not ruled by oligarch’s and plutocrat’s, I’ll be damned.
Shti, I’m damned anyway.
Anyway, when you are dealing with who is for the people and who is not for the people, you’re only dealing in degrees anyway. It’s like a dial on your radio, only there are only two stations, and both are country and western stations with Sunday morning Bible shows.
Who thought up a progressive tax system that would spread the wealth? It was that commie Adam Smith in Wealth of Nations.
“The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.”
I suppose that means Republicans aren’t capitalists, they’re feudalists who prefer a Victorian age system of economics where we all beg Mr. Scrooge to be generous with his wealth. Then again, Republicans think money, not demand creates jobs but that didn’t work out too well in the Soviet Union.
Hmmm… It’s early in the morning and already the liberals are trying to categorize and divide people so they can deal with them. By race, by sex, by belief. Even if they don’t completely fit.
It’s what they do best.
“Hmmm… It’s early in the morning and already the liberals are trying to categorize and divide people so they can deal with them. By race, by sex, by belief. Even if they don’t completely fit.
It’s what they do best.”
Kinda like labeling people liberals? I see it’s not early enough to begin your hypocrisy.
That was TJ rags.
Here is an Aristotle for ya beber:
“The male is by nature more capable of leadership than the female, unless he is constituted in some way contrary to nature, and the elder and perfect [is by nature more capable of ledership] than the younger and imperfect.”
I love that guy.
Question: What is America ’s first line of missile
interceptor defense that protects the entire United States ?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.
Question: What is t he ONLY National Guard unit on permanent active duty?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard
Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile
Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska
Question: What U.S. governor is routinely briefed on
highly classified military issues, homeland security, and
counter terrorism?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska
Question: What U.S. governor has a higher classified
security rating than either candidate of the Democrat Party?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska
According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain
in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used
to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national
security, because she already is.
Then again, Republicans think money, not demand creates jobs but that didn’t work out too well in the Soviet Union.
Judging by the degree that stock prices took precedent over quality in the Bush era, that would be quite correct.
According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.
Believe me, this is me talking: I’m not stealing Biden’s line.
Are you joking?
More McCain/Palin supporters calling for the assassination of Obama. Don’t you just love how Republicans hate American and love death and violence? Must be some of those “family values” they keep on pretending they have.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Supporter_outside_McCain_rally_chants_bomb_1028.html
Rags
Posted October 29, 2008 at 8:10 am | Permalink
Then again, Republicans think money, not demand creates jobs but that didn’t work out too well in the Soviet Union.
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Soviet Union fell because the Government couldn’t create jobs.
Why do demorats think government can create jobs?
Ha HA!
I figured so.
Solie has sold out.
And all it took to buy him away from his oh so precious principles was?
Sarah Palin?
It was the winks got ya wasn’t it solie?
Ewwww.
“Soviet Union fell because the Government couldn’t create jobs.
Why do demorats think government can create jobs?”
The Soviet Union practiced Republican supply-side economics, thinking by having a supply will instantly create demand. The Soviets failed and Reaganomics failed. It’s not surprising that Republicans, who rack up massive debts, continue to fail to realize this.
maggotpink- The Soviet Union practiced Republican supply-side economics,
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nit.
Continuing along the line of liberals categorizing and dividing people. Notice how Maggie, among others, will take a single, obscure and aberrant incident and then try to paint a whole group with it. As if there aren’t disgusting and aberrant people in any group of substantial size.
That is defective thinking. Or dishonesty.
No outlander, it’s just your incompetence.
Hey I give ya solie.
Palin IS prettier than Ron Paul.
But not much.
I guess that could move the polls a little.
As the Ron Paul supporters sell out for siren Sarah?
Just a few more nuts in the basket won’t matter much.
Notice how Maggie, among others, will take a single, obscure and aberrant incident and then try to paint a whole group with it.
Aberrant? One certainly hopes. Singular or obscure? Unfortunately not.
Indeed, one certainly hopes that these nuts are a distinct minority at these events, but there’s no denying that the “palling around with terrorists” BS attracts them.
BJ,
Just stating some facts as I received them. Did you know the 49th MDB was on permanent active duty? I didn’t. Did you know Palin was routinely briefed on classified intelligence? I didn’t. Did you know that Palin holds a higher security clearance than Biden or Obama? I didn’t.
But go with what you know. Instead of acknowledging these facts, go ad hominem. It is what you do best.
Well, I am quite fond of Sol, :) so I wont jump on him, but I will say this, and not just for him.
People almost always go home to vote. I know he’d vote for Ron Paul, but of the major candidates, well, the republicans are most likely “home” for the Paul folks.
BlueJay, when exactly did you bend at the knees and fall down in obedience for Obama? Was it when Hilliary told you to do so?
I guess before the thread gets too far removed, I should give my answer to the earlier question I posed. Everyone who bothered to answer got it right, though I suppose I can give Pleefer credit for first dibs or something.
Yes, indeed, it was Thomas Jefferson. And it’s a far more insightful quote than merely “labeling” people–indeed, it regards labels, rightfully, as little more than substitutes for the underlying concept.
The date, Steven, came from the University of Virginia (I would think they, of all people, would know).
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff0800.htm
Gotta go now. Have fun folks!
Farmie,
I and several others are not voting McCain. As independants, I understand that. But I know several hard core Republicans (real conservatives) that will not vote for him either.
I am holding my nose and voting for Barr, even as Dr. Paul has endorsed Baldwin. I cna’t vote for Baldwin because he brings his religion into politics.
So BJ, as I am so fond to say, you wiffed on that one scooter.
“BlueJay, when exactly did you bend at the knees and fall down in obedience for Obama? ”
Who says I did?
I only got half way through my ballot.
Ah kfg, I know you are good hearted. But ya can’t get soft with the cons.
Got to get this finished and in the mail.
Hmmm, another Judge position.
As I said last night, cons are judgmental, not judicious.
My vote for 18th District Judge Div. 24 goes to Karen Langston.
Just stating some facts as I received them.
Source? I’ll check back.
Looks like governor moose dresser is dropping approval points like a stone. From Rasmussen.
Sarah Palin (R) Alaska 43% Excellent 23% Poor
And kansas’s own Governor “leadership” is doing even worse. She needs to kiss the idea of a Senate seat goodbye. She’d have a little trouble running and winning a dog catcher’s position according to Rassmussen.
“Kathleen Sebelius 25% Excellent 21% Good 26% Fair and 25% Poor.”
I’ve voted a straight Dem ticket so far.
My vote on the school bond issue was yes.
Wading through more judges….
Hmm the next race is a con running unopposed.
Score another for “none of the above”.
SolDevVB posted October 29, 2008 at 8:35 am
BJ,
Just stating some facts as I received them.
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Was your source an email, a right-wingnut site, or ???
Rage,
globalsecurity.org/space/agency/49md.htm
defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=2483
blackfive.net/main/2008/08/commanding-the.html
Sol, how’s the weather up north?
Another none of the above…
Anti,
Freakin FREEZING !!! Sure wish that global warming would hurry up. On the brighter side, 60’s for the kiddies trick-or-treating. Then back to the big freeze.
Freakin FREEZING !!! Sure wish that global warming would hurry up.
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It will be warmer in 5-6 months, that is my prediction. (Not peer reviewed)
18th Dist Judge Div. 22 the vote goes to…
Joseph Bribiesca
So…here’s a little something to ponder…
Some of my African-American friends in Austin are planning to stay in their own homes on election night. They are declining to attend any of the multiple watch parties and celebrations should Obama win.
They fear rogue rednecks roaming the streets with guns, or violence at the celebration sites should Obama win.
In AUSTIN for crying out loud, one of the most liberal cities in the country.
But it only takes one lunatic with a gun looking for a random person to assault…
When National Guard troops are on active duty don’t they answer to the military, not the state’s governor?
I’m a proud “Paul-tard” and I’ll be writing him in.
“waste votes” or die!
SolDevVB,
Google this quote,
“The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.”
They fear rogue rednecks roaming the streets
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And you say we are full of fear! By the way, Zombies roam the streets, rednecks roam the bars…or fair grounds.
Wading through more judges….
Cons are good at judging people. Their judgement generally leaves something to be desired.
On my yard sign it says, “Ron Paul-Hope For America”. Well, I got my printer going and with a little glue, changed “Hope For America” to “Told You So”.
It looks great!
george
Posted October 29, 2008 at 7:25 am | Permalink
We don’t need a stimulus check everytime we have a dip in the economy. The government can’t not continue to give away our money. I don’t think we are in a recession, it’s more like a market ajustment. I also think the MSM have done all they can to help push us into a dive with all their doom and gloom stories.
–
But the big guys on Wall Street sure jumped at the chance at the government money we gave away to them, huh?
To the average American it looks like this: We just gave $700+ billion to bail out Wall Stree; if Wall Street gets it, then the average American deserves their check too.
And why blame the MSM for all the gloom and doom? They are only reporting the way thing are.
You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig!
KFG, what part of Africa are your friends from?
Gawd Palin is on and won’t shut up.
I’m looking forward to not seeing her for four years.
A JUDGE named “Fleetwood”?
Score another none of the above.
Rage,
hstoday.us/content/view/5043/149/
realclearpolitics.com/cross_tabs/2008/09/palins_national_security_crede.html
usmilnet.com/smf/index.php?topic=14087.0
Question: What is America ’s first line of missile
interceptor defense that protects the entire United States ?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.
Question: What is t he ONLY National Guard unit on permanent active duty?
Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard
Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile
Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?
Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska
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And then there’s this:
Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard, considers Palin “extremely responsive and smart” and says she is in charge when it comes to in-state services, such as emergencies and natural disasters where the National Guard is the first responder.
But, in an interview with The Associated Press on Sunday, he said he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. The entire operation is under federal control, and the governor is not briefed on situations.
Now I come to the 18th Dist. Judge Div. 6
Con Harold Flaigle runs unopposed.
THIS guy I know personally. He is one serious @$$hole.
None of the above!
Time to vote for my State Representative.
I have met Jim Ward. His office was on my route delivering phone books once.
He HELPED me carry in the phone books for the building. And he has been a good advocate for our local schools as well.
Jim Ward wins my vote for re-election.
Regarding Flaigle:
…THIS guy I know personally. He is one serious @$$hole.
Ol’ Junior must’ve found himself in a bit of trouble in the past.
*shock*
Voting for State Senator.
My vote is for Elizabeth Bishop.
I find that Susan Wagle has not my best interests at heart.
Isn’t she the one that cackled with Brenda Landwehr that poor people should have no health care as long as they still have shoes?
http://counterpunch.org/roberts10282008.html
Scroll down and read this article, if you wanna.
Power to the People!
U S Representative 4th District.
Well, Todd Tiahrt’s assistant once wrote me that if I wanted representation, I had best move to another state. As much as I want to do that, it is not an option at this time.
Since Todd Tiahrt does NOT want to represent me and Donald Bett’s does, MY vote is for Donald Betts.
Further consideration? The Democrats are going to have overwhelming control of the House and Senate. An entrenched Republican like Tiahrt will have NO voice. The wise thing for Kansans to do is to become PART of the tide of change, not be drowned by it.
SolDevVB,
Thank you for your bogus, right-wingnut 8:06 am copy/paste. It was educational.
‘Did Palin Promote Alaska National Guard General Because He Changed His Tone To Support Her Credentials?’
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/palin-national-guard-promotion/
‘Alaska National Guard General Changes Story; Palin Promotes’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brandon-friedman/alaska-national-guard-gen_b_125083.html?show_comment_id=15504107
Don’t it make your Red eyes Blue?
cosmos links to a promotion. Nice dodge.
Thank you for proving you have not leg one in the argument cosmos.
Our own Steven has eloquent words in this morning’s editorial pages. WELL written Steven.
Susan Wagle has served Susan Wagle and her corporate cronies. She can do THAT on some board somewhere. She should NOT be elected to represent people she clearly does not care about.
Sol, I think you’re wrong on this one. I know you brought a source, but those active duty guardsmen don’t answer to Palin and she isn’t briefed.
GlobalSecurity.org. Rightwingnut. Gotcha.
defenselink.mil Rightwingnut. Ohhh Kaaay, seeing the patern
blackfive.net OK, so if the site doens’t agree with cosmos, it is wingnuttia. Gotcha.
While you’re passing labels cosmos, maybe you should read this.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/someone_you_should_know/index.html
Try doing soemthing POSITIVE with your day for a change.
“We have unique challenges in this state,” he said. “We have partnerships in this state that most people don’t even realize. She has very clearly directed homeland security and emergency management to be transformed from reaction to a discipline of resilience. She has an understanding of the consequences of both natural and man-made hazards and an understanding of supply chain management.”
Under Palin, he pointed out, “Alaska has been very much in the leadership of securing the nation’s supply chain. Alaska can serve as a great model for that because no state faces the full range of hazards that hit Alaska. We routinely have storms with hurricane-force winds, we have wild land fires, we have floods, we have volcanoes and all sorts of disasters. There are 38 public, military and private entities that protect the energy infrastructure and they all have to be coordinated. The state did that with Palin.”
One instance of that kind of coordination came because the state government deals directly with the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) and has arranged that should an airplane be forced down by NORAD forces, it can land in Alaska. “We’re working on recognizing the airborne threat here,” said Madden. “That’s one of the things that’s unique here.”
http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/5043/149/
Steven didn’t leave Waggle much wiggle room.
Name the disasters that Palin has addressed in her tenure.
Name the disasters that Palin has addressed in her tenure.
‘Palin drills in on energy’
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/palin_drills_in.html
“Palin portrayed energy independence as a national security issue, pointing out the oil reserves and ambitions of unfriendly regimes, naming Russia and Venezuela and asserting that Middle East oil infrastructure is vulnerable to al Qaeda and other terrorists.”
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Vulnerable oil infrastructure? LOL!
Palin’s Alaskan oil is vulnerable to a drunk with a hunting rifle.
‘Alaska clean-up ‘could take years’ ‘
7 October, 2001
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1584553.stm
“… the man suspected of shooting the pipeline with a rifle – has been charged with criminal mischief, driving while drunk, weapons misconduct and assault.
Following the attacks last month on New York and Washington, security has been tightened along the pipeline, but police have said that the incident has no link to terrorism.”
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The U.S. Army studied the Alaskan pipeline, and concluded that it’s “indefensible”.
Maggotpink
Posted October 29, 2008 at 8:16 am | Permalink
More McCain/Palin supporters calling for the assassination of Obama. Don’t you just love how Republicans hate American and love death and violence? Must be some of those “family values” they keep on pretending they have.
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Obama supporters rally……….
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=death+to+america&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-102&tnr=21&vid=000163571151
Heh Sarah ‘energy expert(sic)’ Palin!
Tell all the voters what happens to the Alaskan pipeline if it is shutdown for too long in mid-winter.
The heated oil congeals into an 800-mile long Chapstick, and a restart is impossible until the next summer.
More problems are listed here.
‘Fool’s Gold in Alaska’ (997 KB PDF)
http://www.rmi.org/images/other/Energy/E01-04_FoolsGoldAnnot.pdf
cosmos,
You continue to attack the VP candidate. Maybe you can provide some links to situations equal in scope that your Pres. candidate has overcome.
The heated oil congeals into an 800-mile long Chapstick, and a restart is impossible until the next summer.
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Cosmos,
How long has the pipeline been in existence? Has it ever turned into an 800 mile long Chapstick?
Cosmos,
Does Obama even know how to change the oil in his own car?
ANTI
Posted October 29, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Cosmos,
Does Obama even know how to change the oil in his own car?
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Change? How about find the dipstick?
Change? How about find the dipstick?
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Nobody knows where Biden went!
the One says we don’t need to drill, just put air in the tires.
Hey libtards, see if you can save electricity by putting air in the tires on your “house”
hehehehehe…
ANTI
Posted October 29, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink
Change? How about find the dipstick?
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Nobody knows where Biden went!
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You are giving away your age.
Q. What kind of un-American SOB would delay the World Series to air his infomercial?
A. Sen. Obama
Those durn socialist Canadians!
How Universal Health Care Changes Everything
By Sara Robinson
October 28th, 2008 – 4:44am ET
With one fell stroke, giving Americans universal access to health care will undermine some of the deepest and most persistent myths of the conservative worldview.
We’ve worked hard to build a progressive political juggernaut that will, God willing and the creek don’t rise, put us in control of both Congress and the Executive Branch starting just a week from now.
But it’s one thing to get power, and another thing to keep it.
Someone (OK, it was Rick Perlstein) recently asked a group of friends to name the single most important policy step progressives could take to solidify a long-term grip on the government — the kind of extended run we had from 1932 through to the Age of Reagan.
There were a lot of good answers. Ending privatization was, I thought, the best answer of all. Reinvesting in education is important if we want to ensure that the next generation will support and sustain our work and values. (I like to joke that the reason they call it “liberal education” is that the more of it you have, the more liberal you’re likely to be. It’s not quite accurate, but it’s true enough.) Ensuring that people’s interactions with government are useful and positive was another: In a lot of states, one afternoon at the DMV is enough to make the most ardent good-government partisan turn into Grover Norquist. (Maybe we don’t want to drag the whole government into the bathtub to drown it, but that SOB at Window 11 would be a fine place to start.)
But in the end, I settled on “provide universal health care—preferably single-payer” as my final answer. I chose this not just because health care is an important public good (though it is), but because I’m convinced that this single step will do more to rapidly and permanently undermine the conservative worldview than anything else we could possibly do.
How Universal Care Changes Everything: The Canadian Example
I’ve seen this happen, at very close range. Over the course of nearly five years living in Canada, I’ve been continually impressed by the durable, far-reaching role universal health care plays in expressing and reinforcing the entire country’s political philosophy. It’s probably not overstating things to say that the health care system is at the very core of the Canadian sense of national identity, right up there with the Mounties and the Hudson’s Bay Company and well above the Queen. Every time my neighbors go to the doctor, the experience reaffirms a set of cultural assumptions that, over time, have made and kept the country unwaveringly progressive.
First, they’re reminded that taking care of each other is a core Canadian value—a cherished piece of who they are. In the Harper era, the conservatives up here have tried hard to sell American-style rugged individualism and the belief that “you’re on your own” (or should be), beholden to no one, needing no one. Most Canadians reject this as a peculiar form of insanity: Their interdependence is so patently obvious to them that it’s like denying the existence of gravity. They’re so proud of their health care system—and what it says about them as a nation—that, when asked to name the greatest Canadian in history a few years ago, they chose Tommy Douglas, the provincial premier (governor) from Saskatchewan who was the father of the first single-payer plan.
Second, they’re reminded that their government does useful and important things that add immensely to their quality of life, and thus deserves their ongoing support. And their high hopes also lead to high expectations. They not only expect a lot from their health care system; they also expect that their police will be respectful and law-abiding, their city parks will be well-tended; and their public buildings will be beautiful. If it takes money to make that happen, they’ll spend it—but those who’ve been trusted with it had better be damned careful. Where Americans believe in “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” the Canadian Constitution calls for “peace, order, and good government.” And that set of aspirations is reinforced every time they walk into a doctor’s office and get the treatment they need.
Third, they’re reminded that certain rights are inalienable, and certain levels of inequality are intolerable—and that every Canadian has an intrinsic and equal entitlement to shelter, food, education, and health care. In the conservative era, America’s hypercompetitive society has been very quick to throw away people who haven’t made the cut in some way—people without money, connections, or education; people with disabilities that make them economically less viable; people who come from the wrong racial or religious group or the wrong part of the country. You only deserve what you, personally, are capable of earning. If you’re badly equipped to do that, it’s your own damned fault. If you can’t afford health care, you deserve to die. In no case is it the taxpayers’ job to step in and make it right.
That attitude is completely foreign up here. It’s notoriously hard for immigrants to find good jobs here, but even immigrants get health care. Nobody falls through the cracks, no matter what condition their condition is in. Nobody is chained to a job they hate because they can’t afford to lose their health care. Nobody has to pass up the chance to go back to school, or take a year abroad, or stay home with their kids. Nobody hesitates before starting their own business, either. The result is a healthier, more skilled, better-traveled, more fulfilled, more entrepreneurial and ultimately more competitive workforce.
A lot of Americans seem downright threatened by the idea that everybody deserves the same level of health care, delivered by the same doctors. It sounds like wild-eyed socialist ranting (all this crazy talk of “rights”!). For Canadians, though, that right is such a basic assumption that it’s not even up for discussion. A civilized country does not turn any of its citizens away from the table. And that idea, once set, opens up a broader sense of what we owe each other. Health care is the social contract in daily action. Ultimately, having that contract reaffirmed so intimately and so often affects how my neighbors do business, how they treat the environment, and how they relate to the rest of the world. The effects of this affirmation ripple out into everything Canada touches.
Presidential candidate Barack Obama knows it, too, which is why he’s made universal health care a central part of his agenda. If he succeeds, I think people are going to be surprised at the depth and speed of the resulting leftward shift in American values. Seeing the government deliver such an essential and powerful good to so many people will permanently discredit many of the most fundamental assumptions of the conservative worldview—and in doing so, will make it much, much harder for the cons to ever make themselves politically relevant again.
There’s nothing else that will do so much for so many so quickly—and, at the same time, lay down the sturdy foundation for a long, strong progressive future.
Canada sucks!
A speechwriter for Obama, Edwards, and Clinton on why she’s voting McCain.
“Not only has this party belittled working people in this campaign, it has also been part of tearing down two female candidates.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-28/so-long-obama/1/
ANTI
Posted October 29, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
Canada sucks!
Canadian Maple Leaf is only worth about 77 cents here in the good ole USA.
MSNBC has aired both Obama’s and McCodger’s speeches this morning.
McCancer just looks old and desperate.
Barack looks presidential.
I tried to link a couple of new commercials but it didn’t work with the McCoots spot.
Try to find it, though. It’s supposed to run after Obama’s program this evening. It ends with an odd line: “Barack Obama’s not read… yet.”
“Yet?!”
Seems a strange choice of words, like trying to back off the rest of the spot’s generic attack.
Here’s the new Obama message –
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1885474357
Complete with a Moose-Dresser wink!
;^)
Q. What kind of un-American SOB would delay the World Series to air his infomercial?
A. Sen. Obama
Barack looks presidential.
Uhm. yeah. GREAT reason to vote for him.
A great Obama commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn55ZdmBPJ4
Hidin’ Biden: Reining In a Voluble No. 2
“The campaign’s caution is understandable. With Obama leading in all the national polls, only a few things would seem to have the potential to throw him off course. One of those things is his running mate.”
“…..(Biden)is a virtual stranger to the small band of reporters on his plane — less accessible than even Sarah Palin is to her traveling pack of bloodhounds.”
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1854640,00.html
Send the waaaaaambulance for ANTI. Has anyone else noticed what big crybabies McCain, Palin , and the Republicans are?
Watch Mitt Romney. He’s no crybaby and he’s moving in to rid the Republicans of the wack jobs.
Has anyone else noticed what big crybabies McCain, Palin , and the Republicans are?
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Obama has shut down most anyone who speaks against him. Radio stations, reporters, and even interviewers have all felt the wrath of the biggest cry baby of all, Obama.
SolDevVB
Posted October 29, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink
Barack looks presidential.
Uhm. yeah. GREAT reason to vote for him.
Well, that’s better than voting for him because of the color of his skin. Barely.
“Howard Stern sent a reporter into Harlem to interview black voters — who proved they are voting for Obama just because he is part black.
They read off McCain’s positions on issues, thinking they were Obama’s, and black voters were 100% McCain when they thought those were Obama’s positions.
They also believe Sarah Palin is Obama’s VP pick.
After all the accusations of racism that have been tossed out there by Obama’s campaign, it’s time to start calling the black community out on its racism. 95% of blacks are supporting Obama — and in Harlem at least, these voters have no idea what Obama stands for.
RACISTS!” HillaryBuzz
This one is for ANTI: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Fox_exec_Obama_didnt_delay_baseball.html?showall
Point taken AV.
AV, I still believe Obama will be detrimental to our country.
“Obama has shut down most anyone who speaks against him. Radio stations, reporters, and even interviewers have all felt the wrath of the biggest cry baby of all, Obama.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/25/biden-slammed-during-flor_n_137830.html
Two Ohio employees face disciplinary charges after pulling private information on Joseph Wurzelbacher, the plumber.
http://freerepublic.com/tag/wurzelbacher/index
This is the message of the future: If you DARE to question our policy – we will shut you down.
Freedom is trivial to Obama.
“This is the message of the future: If you DARE to question our policy – we will shut you down.”
Well GWB mastered the art of payback and gave the next President the power to use it.
Funny how NOW you see why it’s not a good thing. Funny how I see it as a useful tool to rid the country of Republicans once and for all.
That’s really great, Sol. With six separate links, you establish that Alaska National Guard post is involved in some type of “missile defense.” One source includes a link to a PDF which lays out how the fantasy of a missile-defense shield is cooking along just fine. Another notes, without humor, that Palin’s involvement in homeland security began with her term as Wasilla mayor (that’s a town that didn’t even have a freakin’ police force until 1993!). Yet another is a blog post from Accuracy in Media, one of the most shamelessly inaccurate propaganda organs of the lunatic right.
Wonderful.
I see it as a useful tool to rid the country of Republicans once and for all.
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What’s next, the Whites, the Jews, the retarded?
Hard to say, but remember, by 2050 over half of the US WILL be Hispanic.
Two Ohio employees face disciplinary charges after pulling private information on Joseph Wurzelbacher, the plumber.
That’s good. I’ve seen state employees do stupid things like that, too. But your scary scenario does not follow from what you presented.
I can think of something more obvious and scary, but I’m sure it will never occur to you.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 11:58 am | Permalink
Funny how I see it as a useful tool to rid the country of Republicans once and for all.
You must be JR/BLUEJAY.
Gloomy Republicans are happy to get whatever slice of good news they can, and once again Joe Biden is the bearer of gifts.
“It should go to middle-class people,” Biden said yesterday in Pennsylvania of Obama’s tax cut plan. “People making under $150,000 a year.”
So, another just incorrect statement from Biden, or the truth? You decide. I know you already have, Obama is “THE ONE”
““It should go to middle-class people,” Biden said yesterday in ”
Oh-no. Another TV station is going on Obama’s “the list”.
sooooooooo cosmos,
You continue to attack the VP candidate. Maybe you can provide some links to situations equal in scope that your Pres. candidate has overcome.
The leftist progressives appear to be particularly vitriolic today.
Rage,
The challenge goes to you as well.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Hard to say, but remember, by 2050 over half of the US WILL be Hispanic.
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Tar paper shacks on the river….
Can’t wait!
“SolDevVB” asks –
“… provide some links to situations equal in scope…”
Comparable with the Moose-Dresser’s greatest challenge?
Barack Obama paid for his own clothes.
Monkey,
Can you prove that?
ANTI
Posted October 29, 2008 at 12:00 pm | Permalink
I see it as a useful tool to rid the country of Republicans once and for all.
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What’s next, the Whites, the Jews, the retarded?
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The plumbers…….
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
“SolDevVB” asks –
“… provide some links to situations equal in scope…”
Comparable with the Moose-Dresser’s greatest challenge?
Barack Obama paid for his own clothes.
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Open collar kommie doesn’t cost much.
biased…we need plumbers, so no.
Palin paid for her own clothes too.
You must be talking about the temporary gift to her campaign which was paid for by the RNC.
Heaven forbid that Palin look good on National TV.
This is the typical liberal no win argument style.
If Palin had went out there wearing some cheap clothes the liberals would have made fun of her and mocked her for that.
What was it Linda said? This is an interview.
Who would underdress for an interview?
So, the RNC helped her out with some nice clothes and you liberals attack her for having nice clothes.
What is even more sad, is that at first you attacked her because you thought she bought them and was not one of the little people. Now you attack her because she didn’t buy her own clothes.
Typical liberals.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
biased…we need plumbers, so no.
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Yeah, thats right, Joe has to PAY taxes so the One can spread his wealth around.
Good point.
Sol, “equal in scope” to. . .what, exactly?
Rage,
For starters:
“We have unique challenges in this state,” he said. “We have partnerships in this state that most people don’t even realize. She has very clearly directed homeland security and emergency management to be transformed from reaction to a discipline of resilience. She has an understanding of the consequences of both natural and man-made hazards and an understanding of supply chain management.”
Under Palin, he pointed out, “Alaska has been very much in the leadership of securing the nation’s supply chain. Alaska can serve as a great model for that because no state faces the full range of hazards that hit Alaska. We routinely have storms with hurricane-force winds, we have wild land fires, we have floods, we have volcanoes and all sorts of disasters. There are 38 public, military and private entities that protect the energy infrastructure and they all have to be coordinated. The state did that with Palin.”
One instance of that kind of coordination came because the state government deals directly with the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) and has arranged that should an airplane be forced down by NORAD forces, it can land in Alaska. “We’re working on recognizing the airborne threat here,” said Madden. “That’s one of the things that’s unique here.”
http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/5043/149/
Under Obama’s leadership in Chicago, it is now more unsafe than Iraq.
Like that Sol?
Somebody please post Obama’s Security Credentials… since everyone is comparing.
naw..biased..there won’t be any tar paper shacks down by the river. Nancy Pelosi will tax the death out of capital gains and everything else to provide the illegals “a better quality of life” as she stated was her desire back in January.
then again, the tar paper shacks might be occupied by the people who were taxed out of their homes to support the illegals….
SOL- You continue to attack the VP candidate. Maybe you can provide some links to situations equal in scope that your Pres. candidate has overcome.
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Does voting “present” 130 times count?
“”We’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.” Gov. Palin
Perhaps Kansas should set up the same communistic system that Palin advocates.
Good wheat crop? Profits go to the state to share with the natives.
Wind /solar farm? Profits go to the state to be distributed among the natives.
Palin is an advocate of communism.
And he did have to quit his church of 20 years to promote himself. That took alot of guts.
Like that Sol?
mxyaptik,
Perhaps you could explain how that’s communism first of all?
Sol, you left out the best part:
Palin Deeply Involved in Alaskan Homeland Security, says State Director PDF Print E-mail
by David Silverberg
Friday, 05 September 2008
“The hardest work is when the sun shines.”
WASHINGTON, DC—Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, has been actively involved in shaping her state’s homeland security—with national consequences, Alaska Homeland Security Director John Madden told HSToday in an exclusive interview yesterday.
Gee, guess who can fire Mr. Madden at will (and has to been known to do that, frequently)?
Oh well. . .moving on.
May I presume you’re really asking Sam’s question, i.e., what are Obama’s security credentials?
On the right track Biased.
Rage,
It would appear that you failed the challenge. Next?
It would appear that you failed the challenge. Next?
Can’t you answer a simple question?
Libs are without answers, just like their candidate.
Up at the crack of noon again, eh “Nathaniel?”
For you to take up my goofy comment about a goofy subject in response to one of your fellow CONs’ goofy question makes you look particularly… (oh, I don’t know the word)…
I’ll get back to ya!
The Moose-Dresser wasn’t pulled out of the ranks of, say, plumbers when she was chosen by John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) as the second-most-qualified person on the planet to lead the Free World.
She’s a friggin’ Governor f’r chrissake! She’s been on television before! She’s probably even shown up at the capital in Juneau in something a tad more professional than mucklucks and walrus fur.
Nieman-Marcus-gate isn’t about Bible Spice as much as it is about the Republic Party, its priorities, and (probably) the fashion snobbery of the Beer Heiress and her 72-year old gigolo.
As a faithful Republic Party voter, you should be outraged the McPalin campaign thought $150,000 worth of haute couture and $10,000-a-week make-up and comb-outs was better invested than, say, helping Lynn Jenkins contend for Nancy Boyda’s congressional seat.
You sure have your priorities, boy.
The latest big lie regarding Shopper-gate is the Moose-Dresser’s claim she was going to donate her new wardrobe to charity. The Anchorage Salvation Army reports they’ve tried to contact the Governor to arrange her donation. No response.
Perhaps it’s because the Salvation Army thrift store isn’t her favorite used-clothing store. She prefers “Out of the Closet,” a West Coast chain that contributes all proceeds to Gay/Lesbian/Transgender causes.
Can’t you answer a simple question?
Seems as though you have not answered the one posed to you.
SolDevVB
Posted October 29, 2008 at 12:55 pm | Permalink
On the right track Biased.
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Well he DID have to make a decision to spend $200,000.00 of his campaign money, for a personal trip to see his “typical white” granny in Hawaii.
Like that Sol?
So we can’t question Obama’s associations or record, but we can question Palin’s clothes? Gotcha!
BTW, how was Obama’s personal trip to Hawaii financed…
Seems as though you have not answered the one posed to you.
Your question is vague and ill-worded. What “scope” are you referring to? Running the US government is a task of considerable scope. Or are you only interested in military affairs?
I realize your initial assertion did, in fact, come from a cut-and-paste that’s all over the net, but I would prefer a coherent question.
If you are unable to provide one, I suppose I’ll have to guess what you meant. Is that what you want?
Running a state budget. CIC of a national guard. How about those for starters.
So we can’t question Obama’s associations or record, but we can question Palin’s clothes? Gotcha!
Don’t forget Biden is off limits too.
How has Obama improved the lives of folks in Chicago?
Don’t forget Biden is off limits too.
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Oops!
Why would the One say on national TV, that he would sit down and talk with Iran (without an A-bomb)
But unilaterally bomb Pakistan (with an A-bomb)
Thats pretty smart.
ANTI
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink
How has Obama improved the lives of folks in Chicago?
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He moved to Washington?
Taxing the Poor rich fools who are us.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/how_taxes_will_kill_us_135796.htm
Rags- Your question is vague and ill-worded.
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read: confusing to a libtard and too many big words that old people use…….
Running a state budget.
State Senator of large, urban district in Illinois, 1997-2004. Worked on numerous state budgets. Of course, he didn’t administer them. John McCain hasn’t done that either, nor has Ron Paul, or Bob Barr, incidently.
CIC of a national guard. How about those for starters.
Neither Obama or McCain have done that either. So what?
Has Obama ever brokered a deal with a foreign nation?
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837499,00.html
Has Obama ever cut his own salary?
As mayor of Wasilla, she cut her own salary,
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837509,00.html
SolDevVB
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink
Has Obama ever brokered a deal with a foreign nation?
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Does convicted felon Tony Rezko count?
He “brokerd” a pretty sweet deal with him….
Has Obama ever voluntarily left a post due to his own ethics?
She resigned from the post after complaining that her fellow Commissioner, Republican Randy Ruerich, was raising money for the state party from energy companies
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1837523_1837531_1837509,00.html
Neither Obama or McCain have done that either. So what?
So you admit that the VP candidate of your opposing party has more legislative experience than the presidential candidate of the party you support?
Has Obama ever brokered a deal with a foreign nation?
Depends on what you mean. As a US senator, he’s debated and voted on various trade pacts. Did you miss the debate where he explained why he opposed the Columbian trade pact?
The pipeline deal was Palin’s obsession, as everyone knows. How that qualifies someone for the presidency is unclear.
So you admit that the VP candidate of your opposing party has more legislative experience than the presidential candidate of the party you support?
Uhm. . .no. Palin’s legislative experience consisted of 4 years on the City Council in a tiny suburb of Anchorage.
This is getting beyond silly. Declare “victory” if you want. I have work to do.
How that qualifies someone for the presidency is unclear.
She brokered a deal with a foreign country. She didn’t debate in the comfort of the senate floor, she spoke with the actual players. How did you miss that?
From 1997 until 2004, what major legislation did Obama pass?
mh…still waiting for authentication of your post about the accident “investigation” being conducted by Vanity Fair. Real evidence, instead of a cut/paste from one of your favorite lib blog sites, that is.
As we all know, Vanity Fair is at the forefront of investigative journalism..isn’t that right, mh?
Rage shows us how hollow minded the Obama-bots really are….pitiful..
Declare “victory” if you want. I have work to do.
Go work, by all means. I’ll keep checking in waiting for what Obama has accomplished as opposed to Palin.
Sad thing is we are debating the VP candidate of one party and the POTUS candidate of the second party.
Bricks thrown into Obama’s KC headquarters
Someone threw two bricks through windows at Barack Obama’s Kansas City headquarters early this morning.
About 2:45 a.m., police were called to 3100 Gillham Plaza, where two teenage campaign workers told officers they were working late when they heard mumbling outside then glass breaking. Police said the bricks that had been thrown through the windows had “false hope” and “means social war” written on them.
Republic Party Kristallnacht.
All you CONs must be so proud.
What major legislation has Obama gotten passed from March 2004 to present?
All you CONs must be so proud.
So quick to jump to conclusions.
I can play that game too.
Pissed off Hillary supporters.
You Libs must be so proud.
Police said the bricks that had been thrown through the windows had “false hope” and “means social war” written on them.
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I’ll bet the families of the 400 murder victims in Chicago have a sense of “false hope”. They must have received the “change” that Obama is pushing.
Monkeyspanker- About 2:45 a.m., police were called to 3100 Gillham Plaza, where “two teenage campaign workers” told officers they were working late when they heard mumbling outside then glass breaking.
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Riiiiiiiight…
“Raptor” –
The gist of the story is how the USNA responded to journalists’ otherwise ordinary request for records. They could get copies of traffic reports for other dates going back to the 1950s but that specific day,” when other contemporary news sources report a fatal accident, somehow are “not available.”
No, I don’t have proof that Midshipman John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) pulled a Laura Bush in Annapolis, Maryland on the day in question. But the black hole of no information raises questions.
Your attempted “Defend that which has not been attacked” tactic is pitiful.
“two teenage campaign workers”
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and two bricks………
hummmm…..
Tell Monk to stay in the truck, I got this one…….
“I’ll bet the families of the 400 murder victims in Chicago have a sense of “false hope”. They must have received the “change” that Obama is pushing.”
You are right. They changed from living to registered voters.
Monkeyspanker- But the black hole of no information raises questions.
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like a birth certificate?
Fleet-You are right. They changed from living to registered voters.
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Easier to control that way!
“But the black hole of no information raises questions.”
I am working on finding information on something that didn’t happen. I’ll get back to you, but it may be a while.
Two teenagers working for ‘that one’ at 2:45AM on a school night.
Great, just great.
There’s a story there and it doesn’t involve bricks.
She brokered a deal with a foreign country… she spoke with the actual players. How did you miss that?
Miss what? Another violation of ethics? Did she stuff money in her bra too?
“biased1″ has nothing beyond name-calling.
I thought the whole birth certificate controversy was settled when “Franklin” revealed Obama was born into the Manson Family.
Perhaps you didn’t get the memo.
No she just let State Contractors build her a house for free….kinda like Stevens.
Alaskan politics/communism….you betcha!!!
Miss what? Another violation of ethics?
So you have nothing either.
Why do you support Obama? You can’t point to any accomplishments. All you can do id detract from the VP candidate of the other party.
From 1997 until 2004, what major legislation did Obama pass?
What major legislation has Obama gotten passed from March 2004 to present?
Did she stuff money in her bra too?
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Like this Democrat lawmaker?
FBI: Photos Show Massachusetts Lawmaker Stuffing Bribes in Bra
“The Democrat was freed on a $50,000 unsecured bond. FBI agents arrested her at her Boston home earlier in the day on charges of attempted extortion as a public official and theft of honest services as a state senator.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444666,00.html
Here are some ‘deals’ brokered by the One as a state senator………
Blue Gargoyle: Barack Obama helped secure a $25,000 grant for the Blue Gargoyle in August 2000, an organization that was headed by Capers C. Funnye, Jr., Michelle Obama’s first cousin once removed.
Garden to Nowhere: Judicial Watch uncovered evidence of a $100,000 grant obtained by Obama for a garden project in Englewood, Illinois, spearheaded by Obama’s former campaign volunteer Kenny Smith. The “Englewood Botanical Garden” project never happened. In fact, according to the Chicago Sun Times, “today the garden site is a mess of weeds, chunks of concrete and garbage.” State records show that $65,000 of the grant money obtained by Obama went directly to Smith’s wife Karen. Smith also wrote an additional $20,000 check to a construction company owned by Karen D. Smith, K.D. Contractors which is no longer in business.
Community of St. Sabina: In July, 2000, Obama helped secure a $100,000 grant for the Community of St. Sabina, a church headed by Father Michael Pfleger, a controversial and radical Catholic priest and Obama campaign contributor. Pfleger made news in March, 2008, for mocking then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ, formerly run by Obama’s personal pastor the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
MonkeyHawk,
Who do you think you are telling someone else they don’t have anything beyond name calling?
That is all you do. You attempt to make every post a personal attack and routinely call people names.
Idiot.
“”We’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.” Gov. Palin
Palin who advocates communism is connected with and a member of a group calling for Alaska to secede from the US. Perhaps to form a Soviet State where the wealth and resources of Alaska can be communistically shared?
You betcha!
Nathaniel do you advocate Communism like your sweetie Palin does?
mxyzptlk, what, are you hiding from the bra stuffing comment?
mxyzptik,
Do you drink beer before or after beating your wife?
Exactly ANTI except Palin’s bribes came in the form of a free house. Kinda hard to stuff that into your bra.
mxyzpunk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink
No she just let State Contractors build her a house for free….kinda like Stevens.
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At least the One paid HALF……
to a convicted felon……
“HLP” pontificates –
“Two teenagers working for ‘that one’ at 2:45AM on a school night.
Great, just great.
There’s a story there and it doesn’t involve bricks.”
Half of all traditional college students are teenaged. And many college-aged kids are volunteers for the Obama campaign.
And, depending on their assignments, working at 3 in the morning isn’t unusual in an active campaign. I’ve worked at 3 in the morning compiling overnight news summaries for candidate and staff so a digest would be ready for at the start of business hours.
But maybe you’re right. Maybe they’re middle-school kids who were bumpin’ uglies on a rented table.
Reason enough for someone to throw bricks through the window.
I don’t beat up anyone, now you answer my question. Palin is advocating Communism. Do you still support her?
“”We’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.” Gov. Palin
mxyzptlk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
Exactly ANTI except Palin’s bribes came in the form of a free house.
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Link?
Hey boy,
Call me tonight, we’re hauling hay again tomorrow.
Nathaniel posted October 29, 2008 at 12:38 pm
So, the RNC helped her out with some nice clothes and you liberals attack her for having nice clothes.
What is even more sad, is that at first you attacked her because you thought she bought them and was not one of the little people. Now you attack her because she didn’t buy her own clothes.
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Actually, I’m laughing at the entire McCain & RNC campaign. They dressed up ‘Joan the average hockey mom’ in very expensive clothes and hairstyles. And even funnier. . .
‘Jeff Larson: Sarah Palin’s Personal Shopper Is Karl Rove’s Former Protégé‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/jeff-larson-sarah-palins_n_136957.html
… Keep reading to see the Schedule F form that lists Larson as the purchaser of, among other things, $75,062.63 in clothes and accessories at Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis.
-Or-
See a slideshow of Sarah Palin’s $150,000 style transformation.
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Plus. . . Larson works for the firm that attacked McCain with robocalls in 2000, AND the same firm is now attacking Obama with robocalls.
HLP
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:59 pm | Permalink
Hey boy,
Call me tonight, we’re hauling hay again tomorrow.
__________________________________
Great, just great.
There’s a story there and it doesn’t involve hay.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:54 pm | Permalink
Soooo. Ya still got nothin.
Natural resources are different than production.
The days of “Wildcatin” for oil are over.
mxyzptlk,
The question was do you drink beer before or after beating your wife?
Which is it?
Or you could be smart enough to figure out that it is a logical fallacy to ask such a question… nah.
No wonder the marines don’t want you….loser.
mxyzptlk, do you have a source for your “Palin got a free house” comment?
‘Did Sports Complex Contractors Build Palin’s House for Free? ‘
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/11/111018/34/47/627460
“What an unusual situation. Giant construction contracts are being awarded to campaign contributors at the same time that “buddies” who just happen to be contractors are “helping” Todd build their two-story house.
At the same time Sarah ensures there will be no public record of building permits. WTF? How is this different from the Stevens situation?”
ANTI
Posted October 29, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
mxyzptlk, do you have a source for your “Palin got a free house” comment
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‘bama goin’ give us ALL a free house…….
word.
mxyzptlk,
I have been a Marine for over 12 years and will continue to be one until I retire.
I see you are spreading some of that wonderful liberal support for the troops by bashing someone like me for my service to the country.
“Nathaniel” lies –
“…You attempt to make every post a personal attack and routinely call people names.
Idiot.”
I defy you to show a post from me that has called any of the participants by anything but their chosen nym.
I may have slipped up somewhere, but I pretty much try to keep to that, boy.
Yeah, I’ll go after the Moose-Dresser or John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term), but they’re public figures. I figure they’re fair game.
Have I ever referred to you as anything but “Nathaniel,” boy?
Have I lowered myself to, say, “IrRegular,” or “HeLP,” or anything comparable to “kscarpetmuchingrrl” or “MonkeyHock” or “MonkeySpanker” or other 8th-grade level chuckles the CONs in this forum perpetually resort to?
Show me where I have, boy, and I’ll apologize. I’ll even show up at your church, if you invite me, and if the spirit moves me I’ll answer the altar call and ask forgiveness of my sins and be reborn.
Have I ever called anyone “Idiot”?
Show me and I’ll apologize for that, too.
Will you?
Cosmos/mxyzptlk,
I did a search and the only thing relating to this story was from kook websites. Nothing from any of the major news sources, Yahoo had a link but the story was pulled.
Don’t you think if Palin received a free house that it would be all over the major news sites?
The dailykos?
Can I post from my personal blog as a reliable source as well? LOL HA HA HA HA. That’s some funny stuff right there.
MonkeyHawk,
You call me boy. You call me an ex-Marine.
And my post didn’t simply say that you called people names, but that you attempt to make it personal.
The fact that you try to deny it is why you are an idiot.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/10/red-alert-tip-why-times-wont-release.html
Saw a clip from the tape. Reason we can’t release it is because statements Obama said to rile audience up during toast. He congratulates Khalidi for his work saying “Israel has no God-given right to occupy Palestine” plus there’s been “genocide against the Palestinian people by Israelis.”
mxyzptlk, I take it you are just full of sh*t and can’t justify your accusations.
“What is the L.A. Times Hiding?
29 Oct 2008 01:01 pm
I don’t think it’s entirely necessary for me to explain, once again, why I believe that Rashid Khalidi is not a danger to the Republic. I also don’t think I have to rehearse the controversial idea that Barack Obama was not, in fact, the Hyde Park chapter president of the PFLP-GC. (That was Rahm Emanuel.) But there’s a video out there of Obama saying kind things about Khalidi, and on the general principle that information in an open society shouldn’t be kept secret and that the voters should make up their own minds about whether or not they trust certain candidates, this video should be set free. But a pro-censorship organization called the Los Angeles Times, which has the tape in its possession, is hiding it, for reasons it won’t fully explain. And it’s looking more and more ridiculous each passing day.
I understand that the tape was leaked to the Times by a source or sources unknown, and that an agreement was struck with that source to keep the tape hidden, but the tape has been described in a Times story already, and it quite obviously contains no state secrets. I also suspect that the tape could be posted in such a way as to obscure its origins. The Times, however, won’t discuss in detail why it’s keeping the tape from its readers, and the newspaper’s “readers’ representative,” Jamie Gold, has lined up against the readers, and argued against the release of the tape.
There is another reason why the tape should be posted: It might actually create interest in the L.A. Times. From what I understand, the mainstream media is in a bit of trouble these days. Perhaps — this is just a thought here — the L.A. Times could better its position in the world by drawing readers to its website.
Like I said, just a thought.”
From the Atlantic
Maybe the tape is why NO ABC for the One tonight.
Disney Owner Robert Allen Iger was born to a Jewish family Feb. 10, 1951.
Maybe the “Mainstream” honeymoon is just about over.
Anti/Amerianway: Canada sucks! On 9/11 guess where 30,000+ inbound Americans went when our air space closed down? To airstrips in small Canadian towns whose citizens fed, bed and tried to make comfortable, bewildered Americans who only knew their country had been attacked. Churches, service clubs, schools, hospitals etc., were converted to bathe, bed, feed and even entertain their unexpeced American cousins (for that’s how “Canucks” used to view “Yanks”) and it was no small feat, one town of 10,000 souls literally had 6,500 people dropped on their doorstep! Washington never acknowledged that effort, not even in his speech where Bush thanked just about everyone in the world for their sympathy over 9/11, but did not mention the only guys who actually did something about it on the day it was happening. 3 years later, when Bush wanted more Canadian infantry for Afganistan he mentioned it and the bit about Canada’s (as part of Norad), RCAF patrolling northern American skies. I know folks who still rankle over that. Bush is the only modern day American President not to be “honored” by addressing the Canadian Parliament. On 9/11 while this was going on up in Canada, the hospitality industry around airports in the US introduced special rates for stranded travellers, they doubled them….nice touch. Anti/Americaway, it is hard to explain folks like you to others…especially to those who have suffered hundreds of Canadians killed and wounded in Afganistan, fighting what is basically and American cause. Those are the type of folks Grateful_Dave disusses.
Mexico sucks!
sursum- It was a sarcastic comment.
Canada, that is. I have been to Mexico a few times and I hated it.
“Nathaniel” whines –
“MonkeyHawk,
You call me boy.”
The man you (in your words) “…aspire to be as wonderful a man as he is” calls you “boy,” boy.
I figured it was a term of endearment.
I figured you liked to be called “boy,” boy.
It always appeared to me proof “HLP” likes you as much as his other lap dogs.
My mistake.
“You call me an ex-Marine.”
All the current Marines I know have been to the Sand Box at least a couple of times, or are on active duty in other hot spots (including the Pentagon… and recruiting offices). Some of them lurk here from time to time and they have been ones who’ve suggested clues to your personal psychodrama.
I refer to you as an ex-Marine because you don’t seem to do what current Marines seem to be doing. And you whine a lot about how abused you are. I find it hard to equate a real Marine with the whining you clutter this forum with, boy.
“And my post didn’t simply say that you called people names, but that you attempt to make it personal.
The fact that you try to deny it is why you are an idiot.”
Yeah, well. Tell me how calling someone “…an idiot” isn’t personal, boy.
You and the “wonderful man as he is” (which you “aspire to be as wonderful” seem to spew that little insult out with alarming frequency.
But tell me the rules, boy.
Just how is (for example) me thanking “ksfarmgrrl” for her potato salad recipe with a “You go, girl!” somehow unacceptable, boy?
I may not be up on the latest versions of accepted Netiquette.
If I call you “Idiot,” is it not personal?
If I emulate as wonderful man as…” your
masterfather by calling other participants in this forum “nitwit,” is it not personal?I’m a sinner, “Nathaniel.” I haven’t been saved or anything. I don’t even know what I’m supposed to be saved for.
I’ve asked and you’ve rebuked me when I’ve asked you to show me the way to salvation. That’s not just “personal” you’ve refused to address me in terms of “eternal.”
And somehow your behavior has convinced you to be a self-ordained judge of what constitutes being a “real christian.”
I’m probably just as qualified to determine what constitutes an “ex-Marine.”
I’ll stop if you will.
BlueJay posted
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink
Now I come to the 18th Dist. Judge Div. 6
Con Harold Flaigle runs unopposed.
THIS guy I know personally. He is one serious @$$hole.
None of the above!
It seems that most of the judges in the 18th are A$$holes…is that a prerequisite? I hope that there is a lot of thought going into the local elections. Dan Brooks is another scumbag and I hope he doesn’t get in.
biased1 posted October 29, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Maybe the tape is why NO ABC for the One tonight.
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Or maybe NOT,
‘ABC out of Obama half-hour campaign ad buy’
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jKE7eUUmYAErFH0r1fEdVZexg2IQD943RP6G0
“Attempting to protect its struggling Wednesday lineup, ABC tried to reach an agreement with the Obama campaign to air the commercial on a different night, according to people familiar with the discussions who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly.
ABC had a change of heart, but by the time it decided to make the 8 p.m. EDT Wednesday slot available for the Democratic presidential candidate’s spot, his campaign had already finalized the ad buy, the people said.”
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And re Rashid Khalidi,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1028/#comment-457904
ANTI
Posted October 29, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
mxyzptlk, I take it you are just full of sh*t and can’t justify your accusations.
No, the links have been posted before and as okobserver (a fine upstanding Christian BS Republican says) “I’m not your secretary. Look it up yourself.”
mxyzptlk, again,
I did a search and the only thing relating to this story was from kook websites. Nothing from any of the major news sources, Yahoo had a link but the story was pulled.
Don’t you think if Palin received a free house that it would be all over the major news sites?
Or not. Stevens contained his felonies for years even though they were pretty well known.
IMHO Romney is calling the shots and will extinquish Palin’s star at an appropriate time.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink
Or not. Stevens contained his felonies for years even though they were pretty well known.
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So basically you have zero proof concerning Palin.
And who helped expose those?
WPD Stresses Halloween Fun, Safety for Children
Date: October 29, 2008
Contact: Deputy Chief Robert Lee
RLee@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 268-4239
Download the WPD Halloween Safety Tips for Children
The Wichita Police Department’s four Patrol Bureaus will be handing out Halloween candy and other treats again this year, it was announced today by Deputy Chief Robert Lee. In addition, the Department is also offering some tips to help make the night safe as well as fun.
“Over the years, Halloween has been a special night for both the Wichita Police Department and children,” said Lee. “It gives young people an opportunity to show off their costumes to our officers. And, Halloween provides WPD officers some positive interaction with children.”
Lee said the four patrol bureaus will hand out candy and treats to children at each substation beginning at 6:30 p.m. on Friday, October 31st. The four WPD substations are Patrol North, located at 3015 E. 21st Street North; Patrol South, located at 211 E. Pawnee; Patrol East, located at 350 S. Edgemoor; and Patrol West, located at 661 N. Elder.
In addition, Lee said Halloween in the Park will be held again this year by officers at the Patrol East bureau. The event gets under way Friday, October 24th at Cypress Park, just north of the Patrol East substation, and runs from 6:00 to 9:00 p.m.
“Halloween in the Park gives WPD officers and Wichita Firefighters dressed in their Halloween costumes an opportunity to teach children how to trick or treat safely,” said Lee. He encouraged children to attend the event in their Halloween finest, noting Patrol East officers will provide children with glow sticks as a way to help them trick-or-treat safely on Halloween.
Lee said WPD wants parents to make sure their children exercise caution again this year.
If possible, children should be accompanied by an adult. They should carry flashlights or glow sticks, and either wear face paint or masks that don’t inhibit their field of vision. In addition, their costumes should not limit their mobility,” said Lee. He added that children should not carry toy swords, knives or guns while trick or treating.
Drivers also should exercise extra caution when in residential areas, said Lee, adding, “It’s always a good idea for parents or guardians to check their child’s Halloween candy as quickly as possible.
“We want to make 2008 the community’s safest Halloween yet,” Lee said.
They may have a hard time finding anyone to run against an Obama second term, after they see mccain’s career shot through the heart.
The Vet Who Did Not Vet >>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03fcGelz8Hw
That was funny.
Who Built Sarah’s Half-Million Dollar House? Another Palin Scandal On The Way?
The Palin family home is a two-story, 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath, wood house situated on Lake Lucille (see photo and video below). According to Palin’s income tax returns, the house was assessed at more than half a million dollars — $552,000 to be exact.
Todd Palin told Fox News that he built the 3,450 square-foot, half million dollar home himself with the help of some “buddies.” Since Sarah Palin blocked an effort to require the filing of building permits as mayor of Wasilla, there is no record of who Todd’s “buddies” were.
Coincidentally, at the same time that Todd and his “buddies” were building the Palin house, the $12.5 million dollar Wasilla sports complex and hockey rink was under construction right down the road.
The architect who was awarded the $12.5 million sports complex, Blase Burkhart, is the son of Roy Burkhart, a Palin campaign contributor and the head of the local Republican party. Additionally, several of the subcontractors on the sports complex – including Spenard Builders Supply – were also contributors to Palin’s campaign.
In addition to contributing to Palin’s political campaign, Spenard Builders Supply happens to be the sponsor of Todd Palin’s snow-machine team. Atoine Bricks, a Spenard Builders Supply employee, stated that Spenard supplied the materials for the Palin house. If the Spenard name sounds familiar, that’s because they are one of the contractors that worked on Senator Ted Stevens house.
Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens was indicted recently, for accepting $250,000 worth of free renovations to his house from oil pipeline company VECO. Spenard Builders Supply is one of the contractors that worked on Stevens house.
Palin worked on Senator Ted Steven’s 527 group. Palin’s name is listed on 2003 incorporation papers of the “Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.,” a 527 group that could raise unlimited funds from corporate donors. The group was designed to serve as a political boot camp for Republican women in the state. She served as one of three directors until June 2005, when her name was replaced on state filings.
Though there is nothing definitive here, Palin’s history of cronyism – coupled with the recent finding that she abused her power as an elected official – certainly make this an item worth looking into. Due to the fact that Palin is still new on the national scene and has been shielded from the main stream press from by the McCain campaign, the fabled October Surprise could be the questions and eyebrows that House-gate is bound to raise. And frankly, with his current standing in the polls, McCain doesn’t have time to fend off another Palin scandal.
From VillageVoice.com:
When the Palins began building a new family home off Lake Lucille in 2002 — at the same time that Palin was running for lieutenant governor and in her final months as mayor — Spenard [Builders Supply] supplied the materials, according to Antoine Bricks, who works in its Wasilla office. Spenard actually filed a notice “of its right to assert a lien” on the deed for the Palin property after contracting for labor and materials for the site. Spenard’s name has popped up in the trial of Senator Stevens — it worked on the house that is at the center of the VECO scandal as well.
Todd Palin told Fox News that he built the two-story, 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath, wood house himself, with the help of contractors he described as “buddies.” As mayor, Sarah Palin blocked an effort to require the filing of building permits in the wide-open city, and there is no public record of who the “buddies” were. The house was built very near the complex, on a site whose city purchase led to years of unsuccessful litigation and, now, $1.3 million in additional costs, with a law firm that’s also donated to Palin collecting costly fees from the city.
Read the Full Story at the VillageVoice.com
http://www.stopthinkvote.com/whatsnew/palinshouse.html
NOTE: The Obama 30 min. program for tonight was most likely scheduled long before it was known what cities would be playing in the World Series…
So, I dont see how anybody can complain that Obama is going up against the World Series…
His TV time is only a half hour… The game will likely last Two or Three hours?? Even though they are now beginning in the Bottom of the 6th inning… which, if not for a rain delay, would be a Travel day, OR series would now be over!!
The gripes and complaints of the CONS have no legitimacy!! As usual!!
I don’t have a problem with Obama being on TV tonight. Money well spent.
I have a problem with “spreading the wealth” and not doing the same however.
Though there is nothing definitive here
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Obviously.
Ahhh yess spreading the wealth…. Just like Ms. Palin, and the Alaskan Empire of secessionists…. Something like that, eh??
-Are you talking about mineral rights?
This makes sense in modern America vs. the days of Wildcatin for oil in West Texas.
Secession is going to become a pretty popular topic in my opinion with a Democrat controlled Government.
But Palin’s ties to the Alaska group were proven false long ago.
“Mr_Kia
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink
-Are you talking about mineral rights?
This makes sense in modern America vs. the days of Wildcatin for oil in West Texas.
Secession is going to become a pretty popular topic in my opinion with a Democrat controlled Government.
But Palin’s ties to the Alaska group were proven false long ago.”
I can only hope it becomes a popular topic. That would drive such a large wedge between the right-wingers and the moderates in the Republican party that it would definitely splinter and we would see a third party formed (social conservative Palin types).
That would be great for the future of our country because it would get that social conservative BS out of Washington (because they would never win any elections because those thinkers are in the minority) and let our country focus on the economic issues that are going to make a difference in the next 10-50 years.
‘Obama ridicules McCain charge he’s socialist‘
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD944BPMOG
“Barack Obama accused Republican rival John McCain on Wednesday of stooping to low tactics by labeling the Democrat a socialist. “I don’t know what’s next,” Obama, the presidential candidate, said at an outdoor rally in North Carolina. “By the end of the week, he’ll be accusing me of being a secret communist because I shared my toys in kindergarten. I shared my peanut butter and jelly sandwich.”
…
In Raleigh, Obama painted a bleak picture of a McCain presidency. He said voters would get no help paying for college, see their health benefits taxed, and watch tax relief go to the rich.
“So whether you are Suzy the student, or Nancy the nurse, or Tina the teacher, or Carl the construction worker, if my opponent is elected, you will be worse off four years from now than you are today,” Obama said. “Let’s cut through the negative ads and the phony attacks.”
“Chas” –
Don’t go off about baseball without knowing just how silly or cosmic or stupid or a non-issue the Obama broadcast might have on the World Series.
Bud Selig decided to suspend, the Monday night game in the bottom of the 6th, after the Rays tied it in the top of the sixth.
According to the Official Rules of Baseball, when the game is called after 5 and a half innings, it goes down as a tie.
According to black-letter rules, tonight’s game should start from the beginning as if Monday night never happened.
But because Bud Selig is Commissioner, the game tonight will start in the bottom of the 6th, two days after it was suspended, and will be over whenever the teams complete 9 or more innings with a lead.
If Barack Obama’s media buyers are that prescient, I’d just as soon have them predict the PowerBall numbers and pay off the National Debt with their winnings.
The roadblock media buy this evening is not unprecedented. And, compared to Obama’s mere half hour, John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) is getting an hour with Larry King to refute the thing on CNN, the most available network on every cable and dish network in America.
Meanwhile, the last three-and-a-half-innings of Monday night’s baseball game will start at the precise time that’s always been scheduled on the FOX Network (if necessary). The only-est thing that’s getting preempted is the pre-game show.
(Perhaps the Back Street
BoysBurnouts won’t be seen singing the national anthem, but what are the other consequences?)(And what’s the problem with that? Hasn’t Francis Scott Key suffered enough?)
I like that Monkey… its just I heard a lengthy rant earlier this morning about what an anti-american Obama is for putting his campaign ahead of the world series… And those radio guys were serious….
Oh yea, Bud Selig might be looking for the back door, after the Series is over!! :-)
I thought it pretty interesting that McCain gets an HOUR to answer Obama… and a FREE hour at that…. (isnt that spreading the wealth???)
An ambulance transported a woman from Tiller’s criminal late-term Wichita abortion mill to Wesley Medical Center Wednesday morning, arriving at the mill about 7:50 am and departing about 8:05 am. No lights or siren – they attract too much attention. Abortionist quack Tiller was joined at the emergency room by a member of his killing staff, Diane Warren. Abortionist quack Susan Robinson, a part-time killer from Californicatia, likely committed this botched abortion. Today’s ambulance run was the third in 5 weeks from Tiller’s mill.
SAY EAGLE, WHERE’S THE TOPIC ON:
LA TIMES WITHHOLDS OBAMA PLO VIDEO!!!!
GOOGLE NEWS HITS: 8 7 4
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/29/mccain_calls_on_la_times_to_re.html?hpid=topnews
McCain Calls on LA Times to Release 2003 Khalidi Video
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain today compared the director of Columbia University’s Middle East Institute to a “neo-Nazi” and called on the Los Angeles Times to release a video of a 2003 banquet at which Sen. Barack Obama talked about the professor, Rashid Khalidi, a leading Palestinian American scholar and friend of Obama’s from Chicago.
SAY EAGLE, WHERE’S THE TOPIC ON:
LA TIMES WITHHOLDS OBAMA PLO VIDEO!!!!
GOOGLE NEWS HITS: 8 7 4
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2584
Obama, Ayers and Rashid Khalidi: Why won’t The L.A. Times let us view the tape?
By Ross Balano, Kansas City Star Midwest Voices panelist
The Los Angeles Times has a video tape of a 2003 farewell party for Rashid Khalidi, a university professor who was a spokesman for the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat but they won’t let us see it. Why? What don’t they want us to see?
Attending the event was Barack Obama and that unrepentant terrorist, what’s his name…..you remember that guy Obama doesn’t pal around with? Oh yeah, William Ayers and Ayers’ wife.
So what’s on that tape that The Times doesn’t want us to see? Maybe it’s Obama’s reaction when a young Palestinian read a poem accusing Israel of terrorism and remarks that were critical of the United States for supporting Israel. Maybe Obama applauded or was part of a standing ovation. We may never know.
Damn McCarthyites…. And here I thought we got rid of those bums back in the 60’s!!
SAY EAGLE, WHERE’S THE TOPIC ON:
LA TIMES WITHHOLDS OBAMA PLO VIDEO!!!!
GOOGLE NEWS HITS: 8 7 4
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-na-video30-2008oct30,0,7519467.story
McCain, Palin criticize L.A. Times over Obama video
The Times will not post video of a 2003 event attended by Obama and a Palestinian scholar, saying it made a promise to a source. On the campaign trail, the GOP nominees blast the newspaper’s stance.
By a Times staff writer
2:06 PM PDT, October 29, 2008
John McCain and Sarah Palin, the Republican nominees for president and vice president, sharply criticized the Los Angeles Times today for withholding a video of a 2003 event in which Barack Obama, their Democratic rival, praised a Palestinian scholar.
“It must be nice for a candidate to have major news organizations looking after his best interests like that,” Palin said in Bowling Green, Ohio. “Maybe some politicians would love to have a pet newspaper of their very own. In this case, we have a newspaper willing to throw aside even the public’s right to know in order to protect a candidate that its own editorial board has endorsed.”
The Times has said that making the recording public would violate a promise to a confidential source.
mh…you admit you have no proof..a first for you. But the black hole of no information raises questions? Oh yes..the logic of the conspiracy.
Didn’t stop you from posting it as fact tho, did it?
“The Times has said that making the recording public would violate a promise to a confidential source.”
Now if THAT was the real reason for withholding the tape, then:
1. Why would anyone give the newspaper the tape to begin with?
2. What is so terrible on that tape that would make someone AFRAID that Obama would find out this person made and gave the video to the LA Times?
Here’s another LIE told by the LA Times as to the reason why they won’t release the Video:
“The LA Times told FOXNews.com that it won’t reveal how it obtained the tape of Khalidi’s farewell party, nor will the newspaper release it. Spokeswoman Nancy Sullivan said the paper is not interested in revisiting the story. “As far as we’re concerned, the story speaks for itself,” she said.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/29/mccain-slams-la-times-double-standard-withholding-obama-khalidi-tape/
Why can’t the LA Times get their Excuses Straight?
(Because they are lying! They are not releasing the video because it would be harmful to Obama, and the LA Times has Endorsed Obama!)
MaxGrobnik,
Big bad Khalidi?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1028/#comment-457904
“Damn McCarthyites”
Turns out they were right.
Obama has something to fear Cosmos, or he wouldn’t be tellin the LA Times to destroy the video.
You Libs crucified Nixon over an 18 second gap.
A 5 minute video of Obama and the PLO would be VERY, VERY, VERY DAMAGING.
The video will be released though.
But it will be so severely edited, people will be barely recognizable.
Chas
Posted October 29, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
Damn McCarthyites…. And here I thought we got rid of those bums back in the 60’s!!
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That’s right, and Socialism was delayed by 40 years. To the Libs, that delay was a bad thing.
Here’s one guy’s approach to handling Obama’s increase in taxes.
Sounds fair to me.
“Dear Fellow Business Owners
As a business owner who employs 30 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will be our next president, and that my taxes and fees will go up in a BIG way.
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Customer will have to see an increase in my fees to them of about 8-10%.
I will also have to lay off six of my employees. This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn’t know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did. I strolled through the parking lot and found eight Obama bumper stickers on my employee’s cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off.
I can’t think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a better idea, let me know.”
More Acorn impartiality, I think not. MSM ignores only what they want to show or hear about the Messiah.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/10/29/msm-ignores-nonpartisan-acorn-boss-bertha-lewiss-impassioned-endorsem
Boxlock posted October 29, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I can’t think of another fair way to approach this problem. If you have a better idea, let me know.”
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The solution is obvious — stop LYING about how Obama’s tax plan would hurt small businesses.
“Raptor” whimpers –
“Didn’t stop you from posting it as fact tho, did it?”
Go back to my original post.
The post was about how journalists asking questions found the USNA’s response to routine documents concerning that specific date seemed…suspicious.
I never claimed John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) had a little Laura Bush traffic moment; only that journalists are running into stone walls when asking about events at that place and that time.
Quit trying to move the goal posts, “Raptor.”
I have the feeling that FIRING an employee because of political opinion is just plain illegal… Could end up costing a LOT more in legal fees, that the alleged income tax increase (which of course wont happen anyway)…
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george
Posted October 29, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
More Acorn impartiality, I think not. MSM ignores only what they want to show or hear about the Messiah.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/10/29/msm-ignores-nonpartisan-acorn-boss-bertha-lewiss-impassioned-endorsem
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WARNING, WILL ROBINSON, WARNING: TIN HAT SITE . . . TIN HAT SITE. ALL PRECAUTIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN PRIOR TO VISITING THE ABOVE WEB SITE. A LEAD/TITANIUM SHIELD SHOULD BE WORN AND COVER ALL EXPOSED SURFACES. REPEATED VISITS CAN LEAD TO LOSS OF BRAIN MATTER, AS WELL AS UNCONTROLLABLE FITS OF SCREAMING THINGS LIKE, “SARAH PALIN IS GOD!” AND “OBAMA WAS BORN IN A MANGER IN EAST NEW JERSEY!”
But, hey, if you want a good laugh, bu all means . . .
For those not interested in listening to Obama, here is a wonderful nonpartisan dance off I think everyone can enjoy.
http://minimovie.com/film-128460-McCain-Obama%20Dance-Off
Obama believing in spreading the wealth around by government, apparently not on his own.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5042571.ece
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Loved it, Linda!!!
It really scares me how people believe all the lies, rumors, propaganda, and paranoia being spread about Obama.
It makes me worry for his safety…one asassination plot already uncovered.
If something bad happens to him, all of you who love to help spread the lies and fear should be ashamed.
They should be ashamed just for the ugliness they are capable of.
mh accuses me of “moving the goal posts” after he posts:
“I never claimed John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) had a little Laura Bush traffic moment;
Yet, his post from 10/28 said (DIRECT QUOTE):
Sounds like John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) graduated from the Laura Bush Driving School*.
So, mh didn’t say what mh posted?
I watched a blip of Palin saying Obama will ruin the environment by making this country energy independent. The argument she used was: If we stop or slow oil production in this country, other countries will produce more and do it with little if any environmental protection.
So, if we are energy independent, it will be Obama’s fault that, say, China pollutes the world.
Now there are people of little intelligence who will buy that argument, which makes me wonder if those same people should be allowed to procreate: you just can’t fix stupid.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink
It really scares me how people believe all the lies, rumors, propaganda, and paranoia being spread about Obama.
It makes me worry for his safety…one asassination plot already uncovered.
If something bad happens to him, all of you who love to help spread the lies and fear should be ashamed.
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lindainks55
Posted October 29, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink
They should be ashamed just for the ugliness they are capable of.
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Oh brother…
I listened to a McCain rally today…it’s scary how much hatred is verbalized toward Obama. I’m shocked at the things the McCain supporters say about him, and so much of it isn’t true, but people believe what they want to hear.
“…people believe what they want to hear.”
Yes, you do.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink
I listened to a McCain rally today…it’s scary how much hatred is verbalized toward Obama. I’m shocked at the things the McCain supporters say about him, and so much of it isn’t true, but people believe what they want to hear.
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So let’s play your game Mary,
-Palin’s recent child was said to be that of her daughter..
-An effigy of Palin hanging byher neck by a rope is in some guy’s yard right now
- Palin was accused of banning books in a library
- Palin was accused of being a separatist
- Palin (not Obama) was and is being lampooned on Saturday Night Live
- McCain supposed cooperation with the enemy
- McCain supposed caused the death of Navy persons on an aircraft carrier
- McCain, the “c-word” story
- McCain being the same as bush, when every Lib on here knows he was a favorite of theirs in both the 2000 and 2004 Presidential election
- Porn movie being made with a Palin impersonator
- Palin made a ‘wrong’ choice keeping her Down syndrome child
etc.
etc.
Give it a rest Mary, the left has been equally as ugly and that’s just the short list.
And you don’t see the Obama supporters posting this BS as much as the right wing McCain supporters…..just read this blog if you don’t believe me.
Those who support McCain are much more angry and hateful.
“Give it a rest Mary, the left has been equally as ugly and that’s just the short list.”
Actually, you’re MUCH uglier than most on this blog, Reg. Why?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 8:00 pm | Permalink
And you don’t see the Obama supporters posting this BS as much as the right wing McCain supporters…..just read this blog if you don’t believe me.
Those who support McCain are much more angry and hateful.
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Bull, Mary…
Most of the vitriolic attacks came from (wait for it) the Clinton campaign which exposed his supposed Muslim background, the Ayers association and his ties to PLO extremists. There is even suspicion that Clinton had ‘diggers’ get the Jeremiah Wright videos.
Your own party were cutting throats.
As I said, give it a rest.
“And you don’t see the Obama supporters posting this BS…”
What blog are you reading?
Most of the vitriolic attacks came from (wait for it) the Clinton campaign which exposed his supposed Muslim background, the Ayers association and his ties to PLO extremists. There is even suspicion that Clinton had ‘diggers’ get the Jeremiah Wright videos.
Your own party were cutting throats.
As I said, give it a rest.
Do you have any proof? Seems to me it’s Mccain’s camp who keeps harping on the above because McCain has no real solutions to the problems this country faces other than to continue the same Republican failed policies.
The McCain campaign has been MUCH uglier and negative than Obama’s. Obama had shown class, intelligence, and common sense throughout this whole process….and the American people are waking up and don’t want the same politics as usual. McCain has been his own worst enemy in this election.
Now McCain is claiming that Obama is connected to the PLO terrorists. Unbelieveable!!
“And you don’t see the Obama supporters posting this BS as much as the right wing McCain supporters”
That’s what I said.
Hud, maybe you shouldn’t take what I say out of context! Do you work for the Mccain campaign?
It says something about a McCain campaign that needs to harp on what didn’t work for the Clinton campaign, if what you say is factual, Regular. Frankly, if McCain runs his office as he has his campaign that should tell Americans a bunch!
Good point, Linda.
McCain is a prime example of doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.
OOh a secret unreleased bomb shell video!!! Last gasp…………………………………….. oh, Fox News.. never mind…
“told the LA Times to destroy the video” whahhahaha
Do you have THAT on tape, too????
QUICK! Make some more stuff up!! Hurry! Hurry!
I have a question.
Is a phone number listed on our voting registration? I ask because I just got a call from Mike Peterson campaign asking who I was voting for, him or Perez. It was my cell phone. Again. The last two polls also came on my cell.
Now here’s what I need to look into. While I was gone for a few minutes, my youngest daughter said someone called asking for her older sister…on my house phone, which is not a published number. And that daughter no longer lives here. She has her own cell phone anyway and uses that number.
Things are getting weird.
I’ll check back in a bit to see if anyone has posted on this.
I’m still watching Larry King and I can’t believe what I just heard!
Nine million more voters this election than before! Nine million! WOW.
You know, annie moose and I agreed today that we wanted to stand in the line and do our votes ON election day, but just maybe we should rethink that.
For those who have already gone to an advance voting location, are the lines long? Will election day be unbelievable?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 8:10 pm | Permalink
Do you have any proof? Seems to me it’s Mccain’s camp who keeps harping on the above because McCain has no real solutions to the problems this country faces other than to continue the same Republican failed policies.
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Yeah, all of the previously information came out during the primaries when ALL THE DEMOCRATS were running for President.
You know, back when Biden said Obama wasn’t experienced enough to be President.
previously mentioned…= previously
Take a book linda.
There are FAR fewer polling locations than in 2000 and even with the advance and mail in voting, crowds will be heavy.
In 2000, I was in line for almost 3 hours with my 6 year old son in tow.
To all the “spread the wealth” mental pygmies >>>
Ahhh yess spreading the wealth…. Just like Ms. Palin, and the Alaskan Empire of secessionists…. Something like that, eh??
Predestined, I do no know about the voting registration but have you call one of a campaign office? The was something on TV yesterday about the campaigns were mining phone numbers mainly to get cell phone numbers.
As with most of the campaign, Obama team has the best organization in capturing the numbers.
The Khalidi Gambit: McCain Attacks Obama for Connection to Palestinian Activist Whose Work McCain Helped Fund
October 29, 2008 10:35 AM
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., did a live interview with Radio Mambi in Miami this morning in which he went after Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for his connections to a “PLO spokesman.”
McCain was referring to Rashid Khalidi, who, five years ago, Obama toasted at a going-away party before Khalidi headed off to New York City to become a professor at Columbia University.
In April, the Los Angeles Times’s Peter Wallsten wrote about the toast, saying a “special tribute came from Khalidi’s friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi’s wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.
“His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been ‘consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases…It’s for that reason that I’m hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation — a conversation that is necessary, not just around Mona and Rashid’s dinner table,’ but around ‘this entire world.’”
Wrote Wallsten: “In the 1970s, when Khalidi taught at a university in Beirut, he often spoke to reporters on behalf of Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization. In the early 1990s, he advised the Palestinian delegation during peace negotiations. Khalidi now occupies a prestigious professorship of Arab studies at Columbia.
“He is seen as a moderate in Palestinian circles, having decried suicide bombings against civilians as a ‘war crime’ and criticized the conduct of Hamas and other Palestinian leaders. Still, many of Khalidi’s opinions are troubling to pro-Israel activists, such as his defense of Palestinians’ right to resist Israeli occupation and his critique of U.S. policy as biased toward Israel.”
Wallsten had a videotape of the Khalidi party, which conservatives and, as of today Sen. McCain, are calling upon him to release.
“The Los Angeles Times did not publish the videotape because it was provided to us by a confidential source who did so on the condition that we not release it,” Russ Stanton, editor of the LA Times, has said. “The Times keeps its promises to sources.”
McCain today said, “The Los Angeles Times refuses to make that videotape public…I’m not in the business of talking about media bias…but what if there was a tape of John McCain with a neo-Nazi outfit…I think the treatment of the issue would be slightly different.”
But McCain has his own connection to Khalidi.
In 1993, McCain became chairman of the International Republican Institute. He still chairs that respected organization.
That same year, Khalidi helped found the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, self-described as “an independent academic research and policy analysis institution” created to meet “the need for active Palestinian scholarship on issues related to Palestine.” (Its archived Web site is HERE.)
Khalidi was on the board of trustees through 1999.
According to tax returns, the McCain-chaired IRI funded the organization Khalidi founded and served on to the tune of $448,873 in 1998 (click HERE to see the tax return)* as first reported by Seth Couter Walls at HuffPo.
The IRI continued to give money to the CPRS after Khalidi left the group as well.
Asked to respond to this seeming contradiction, McCain-Palin spokesman Michael Goldfarb writes, “It’s long been clear that Obama and Khalidi have a close relationship — that they were frequent dinner companions. It is another in a series of questionable associations, but it is not the focus of our request that the LA Times release this tape. It’s clear from the Times story that the evening featured speeches that were anti-Semitic in tone and anti-Israel in nature. As our initial statement said, ‘This campaign wants to know how Barack Obama responded to that hate-speech, whether he was mingling with Ayers, who he once described as ‘just a guy in my neighborhood,’ and anything else that might be of interest to voters now deciding who to support in this election.’”
(Goldfarb is referring to two speakers at Khalidi’s 2003 farewell party: “a young Palestinian American (who) recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, ‘then you will never see a day of peace,’” and another who “likened ‘Zionist settlers on the West Bank’ to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been ‘blinded by ideology.’”)
Continued Goldfarb: “Why would the media withhold information that might be damaging to a presidential candidate? It is certainly a luxury that you and your colleagues have never afforded this campaign.”
For his part, Obama was asked about his relationship with Khalidi in May at an event with Jewish voters in Boca Raton, Fla.
“I do know him because I taught at the University of Chicago,” Obama said. “And he is Palestinian. And I do know him and I have had conversations. He is not one of my advisors; he’s not one of my foreign policy people. His kids went to the Lab school where my kids go as well. He is a respected scholar, although he vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel’s policy.
“To pluck out one person who I know and who I’ve had a conversation with who has very different views than 900 of my friends and then to suggest that somehow that shows that maybe I’m not sufficiently pro-Israel, I think, is a very problematic stand to take,” Obama said. “So, we gotta be careful about guilt by association.”
Ummmm…. WHO claimed Palin to be a “separatist”??
The “Separatists” were a religious group from 17th Century England.
Palin was/is? associated with the Alaska Independence Party… Her husband has been a member of that Party for some time (until quite recently)… AND Palin gave an address at one of their recent Conventions…
Separtist — NO… Secessionist — YEP!!
Chas
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:01 pm | Permalink
Ummmm…. WHO claimed Palin to be a “separatist”??
The “Separatists” were a religious group from 17th Century England.
Palin was/is? associated with the Alaska Independence Party… Her husband has been a member of that Party for some time (until quite recently)… AND Palin gave an address at one of their recent Conventions…
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Her husband briefly belonged to that party, not Governor Palin.
Yes, I mixed the words.
At least I admit my mistakes Chas, unlike you.
“Her husband briefly belonged to that party, not Governor Palin.”
So she only sleeps with a traitor?
Thanks, Hud. I did get a call on my cell (robo call) a couple of months ago from Slattery’s campaign office and ended up calling back from my home phone. That would make the first of four calls, not three, now that I think about it. I don’t know which party the other two longer poll calls were from, and tonight was definitely for Peterson. No doubt, because the woman urged me to vote for Peterson.
I talked to the daughter who doesn’t live here, and she doesn’t give my home number and sure didn’t make a call from here. She doesn’t live here and has her own cell. It bugs me. The call on the home phone much more than the cell.
So are the R’s stealing numbers from the D’s and the D’s stealing numbers from the R’s? Verrrry interesting, indeed.
“Her husband briefly belonged to that party, not Governor Palin.”
Can you imagine if Michelle Obama belonged to an organization like that. OMG, the Republicans would be SCREAMING!!!!
Pre, when you were looking for your yard sign did you make any calls?
I never SAID Palin was a member of that Party…
I DID say:
“Her husband has been a member of that Party for some time (until quite recently)… AND Palin gave an address at one of their recent Conventions…”
Now, is something inaccurate in that?? NO
For those who have already gone to an advance voting location, are the lines long? Will election day be unbelievable?
I voted early in 2006 and walked right in. I did notice a news brief/commercial while watching Criminal Minds (my fave), and it mentioned long lines at early voting, too. We’re going Saturday a.m., and now I’m wondering if the lines might be shorter on Tuesday!
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:11 pm | Permalink
“Her husband briefly belonged to that party, not Governor Palin.”
Can you imagine if Michelle Obama belonged to an organization like that. OMG, the Republicans would be SCREAMING!!!!
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Illinois has been a state since the middle 1800s while Alaska in 1958. People retain in their memory of a state separated from the continental United States and has a different mindset and culture. I find nothing wrong with the idea, however unsuccessful its chance would be.
John McCain gave half a million dollars to the Center for Palestine Research and Studies….that was headed by Rashid Khalidi!!!!!!!
“Illinois has been a state since the middle 1800s while Alaska in 1958. People retain in their memory of a state separated from the continental United States and has a different mindset and culture. I find nothing wrong with the idea, however unsuccessful its chance would be.”
I repeat….Can you imagine if Michelle Obama belonged to an organization like that. OMG, the Republicans would be SCREAMING!!!!
The one year I voted early I felt kinda left out and at loose ends on election day. That’s why I had decided to wait and do the whole bit next Tuesday, but now I’m kinda rethinking that. I don’t know much about “birth signs” but I’m a Libra and what little I know confirms that decisions don’t come easily. I weigh everything, consider all sides… It’s really maddening! I admire those who are capable of decisions without torturing themselves.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:14 pm | Permalink
John McCain gave half a million dollars to the Center for Palestine Research and Studies….that was headed by Rashid Khalidi!!!!!!!
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So let it be noted that Mary Caruso is against women having rights in Palestine.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink
“Illinois has been a state since the middle 1800s while Alaska in 1958. People retain in their memory of a state separated from the continental United States and has a different mindset and culture. I find nothing wrong with the idea, however unsuccessful its chance would be.”
I repeat….Can you imagine if Michelle Obama belonged to an organization like that. OMG, the Republicans would be SCREAMING!!!!
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Take your hormone pills dearest, you’re really arm flailing tonight.
“People retain in their memory of a state separated from the continental United States and has a different mindset and culture. ”
How many people?
Let’s say a boy who was 10 at the time Alaska became a state.
That “boy” would be 60 now. His parents likely long dead.
Todd Palin is not 60.
IS Todd Palin teaching his children his seccessionist views?
Besides, when people get as OLD AS 60 they have forgotten everything! ;-)
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BlueJay
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink
“People retain in their memory of a state separated from the continental United States and has a different mindset and culture. ”
How many people?
Let’s say a boy who was 10 at the time Alaska became a state.
That “boy” would be 60 now. His parents likely long dead.
Todd Palin is not 60.
IS Todd Palin teaching his children his seccessionist views?
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Todd Palin has native American ancestry dumb ass.
He has good reason to believe what he believes and common philosophy with those in the State of Alaska that have several thousands years of ancestry behind them in that region.
So, Regular, you approve of Anti-American activities in some of the States?? Hmmmmm…
What a stretch!! Do you know that the guy who is HEAD of that Party has said he will not be buried under that Damned Flag(Stars and Stripes) — And remember, Palin’s husband has only recently NOT been a member of the Alaska Independence Party…. And SHE made an address at one of the quite recent conventions….
Does that mean she was fer secession, before she was agin secession??
Does that mean she would give up being Head Comissar of the Peoples Republic of Alaska, to be VP of the Alaska Independence Party’s HATED United States??
Maybe there is something worth exploring in this matter….
“Take your hormone pills dearest, you’re really arm flailing tonight.”
Funny how when you AND your candidate is losing..you resort to personal attacks.
Ask me if I give a rip :):):):)!
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Chas
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:24 pm | Permalink
So, Regular, you approve of Anti-American activities in some of the States?? Hmmmmm…
What a stretch!! Do you know that the guy who is HEAD of that Party has said he will not be buried under that Damned Flag(Stars and Stripes) — And remember, Palin’s husband has only recently NOT been a member of the Alaska Independence Party…. And SHE made an address at one of the quite recent conventions….
Does that mean she was fer secession, before she was agin secession??
Does that mean she would give up being Head Comissar of the Peoples Republic of Alaska, to be VP of the Alaska Independence Party’s HATED United States??
Maybe there is something worth exploring in this matter….
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As explained to the other dumbass on this blog, Todd Palin is a native American of one of the Alaskan tribes.
I understand his philosophy and position, I just don’t agree with it.
It’s a free country, he can do what he wants as long as it is lawful.
“He has good reason to believe what he believes ”
He is entitled to his beliefs.
Is it wise to put the wife of a treasonous zealot into the highest offices of our government?
Of course, that isn’t going to happen.
But on the face of it? It reduces the complaints against Senator Obama to absurd.
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:25 pm | Permalink
“Take your hormone pills dearest, you’re really arm flailing tonight.”
Funny how when you AND your candidate is losing..you resort to personal attacks.
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No, I find it incredible you still arm flail, when facts are explained to you.
Evidently, you don’t give a ‘rip’ whether or not women in Palestine get equal rights or not.
You are a blind follower of Obama. “Sieg hiel’ your new messiah Mary Caruso.
Talk about religious fanatics – you show more fanaticism with Obama than any person I know of the Christian faith.
Great point, Chas…..can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot?
McCain would be exploiting the hell out of it. Obama has so much class and ability to rise above the dirty politics McCain is so willing to resort to.
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BlueJay
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink
“He has good reason to believe what he believes ”
He is entitled to his beliefs.
Is it wise to put the wife of a treasonous zealot into the highest offices of our government?
Of course, that isn’t going to happen.
But on the face of it? It reduces the complaints against Senator Obama to absurd.
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Look up the definition of a treasonous act dumb ass.
There is nothing treasonous about the party which Todd Palin belonged.
dumb ass
JMWalker
Posted October 29, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink
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george
Posted October 29, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
More Acorn impartiality, I think not. MSM ignores only what they want to show or hear about the Messiah.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/10/29/msm-ignores-nonpartisan-acorn-boss-bertha-lewiss-impassioned-endorsem
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WARNING, WILL ROBINSON, WARNING: TIN HAT SITE . . . TIN HAT SITE. ALL PRECAUTIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN PRIOR TO VISITING THE ABOVE WEB SITE. A LEAD/TITANIUM SHIELD SHOULD BE WORN AND COVER ALL EXPOSED SURFACES. REPEATED VISITS CAN LEAD TO LOSS OF BRAIN MATTER, AS WELL AS UNCONTROLLABLE FITS OF SCREAMING THINGS LIKE, “SARAH PALIN IS GOD!” AND “OBAMA WAS BORN IN A MANGER IN EAST NEW JERSEY!”
But, hey, if you want a good laugh, bu all means . . .”
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so, did you look at the link? Or just ignore it because of the source? You might have seen this:
Lewis is featured in a video posted on YouTube by an ACORN affiliate,Working Families Party. Says Lewis:
I want to thank everyone out there for defending ACORN against the scurrilous right-wing attacks and smears. That’ll teach them to attack a community organizer. [...] Look, when organizers get attacked we do what we do best: we organize and we vote. And if you live in New York there’s one more simple thing you can all do to help ACORN: vote for the community organizer Barack Obama on the Working Families Party ballot line. [...] Voting for Barack is good but voting for him on the Working Families Party line is better. Vote change like you mean it, people. Don’t get lost in the Democratic sauce. [...]
Just a smidgeon from the past:
BlueJay
Posted May 15, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink
Hey editors?
It’s been a REAL long time since you told us how your little blog is fairing.
News you’d rather not comment on?
I’d bet my hands that hits have gone down. And I mean WAY down.
Certainly we notice the absence of many long time posters.
At one time, you HAD a pretty good blog here.
Be a shame if some enterprising poster took the best of what is left of it and started a new blog somewhere else…
Facts are facts, dead from the ass down.
YOU and your party make rediculous allegations on Senator Obama for his “radical” affiliations.
Meanwhile, YOUR candidate was SO incompetent that he chose the wife of a secessionist traitor as his running mate.
Jay, I think treasonous is a stretch…. However, Anti-American works for a Secessionist
Regardless of whether we understand it or not!!
Wonder why so many of the wingnuts were trying to make such a big deal out of what the Native Hawaiians are wanting to do there??
Guess that was only a big deal, since Obama was born in Hawaii… LOL
“Evidently, you don’t give a ‘rip’ whether or not women in Palestine get equal rights or not.”
God, you are funny! McCain gave half a million to the very person he condems Obama for having dinner with. I don’t think “women’s rights” have a thing to do with it, but at least you’re loyal and tenacious in trying to deflect the hypocrisy from McCain attacks.
Your point blogmonitorRegular?
Ahhh yess…. Blog Monitor who = BM Well chosen name… LOL
Let’s see if this can be explained to the blog dumb asses one more time. This has been explained many times before.
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ST. PAUL, Minnesota – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s husband, Todd, twice registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a fierce states’ rights group that wants to turn all federal lands in Alaska back to the state. Sarah Palin herself was never a member of the party, according to state officials.
Todd Palin’s party affiliation emerged Tuesday as the latest issue confronting the McCain campaign as it prepared to introduce Gov. Palin to the Republican National Convention.
“Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time.”
We are a state’s rights party,” says Clark, a self-employed goldminer. The AIP has “a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law.”
Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, told ABC News says it’s not accurate to describe the party as secessionist — they just want a vote, she says, adding that the members of the AIP hold different opinions on what Alaska should be.
-Associated Press and ABC News
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BlueJay
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink
Your point blogmonitorRegular?
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Get a grip dumb ass. I have no idea who Blog Monitor is, nor do I care.
Go take a chill pill, Reg…you are getting quite verbally abusive tonight! I know it’s frustrating trying to stick up for your candidate’s stupidity and desperation, but do try to contol yourself, please.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink
“Evidently, you don’t give a ‘rip’ whether or not women in Palestine get equal rights or not.”
God, you are funny! McCain gave half a million to the very person he condems Obama for having dinner with. I don’t think “women’s rights” have a thing to do with it, but at least you’re loyal and tenacious in trying to deflect the hypocrisy from McCain attacks.
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Mary,
And this is the last I will address this. (how you ever became a nurse with that low intellect, one never knows)
Obama attended parties with Khalidi and other known terrorists several times.
The organization which McCain belong to gave a lot of monies to fledgling countries, such as Poland, Czechoslovakia and yes Palestine for democratic principles.
McCain did not ‘pal’ around with known terrorists.
The United States funds this organization with the majority of its operational monies, so are all the members of Congress complicit as well?
Hey Chas, I hope you’re going camping soon. Winter is coming soon and I need to fatten up….Peace be with you my dinner…I mean brother.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink
Go take a chill pill, Reg…you are getting quite verbally abusive tonight! I know it’s frustrating trying to stick up for your candidate’s stupidity and desperation, but do try to contol yourself, please.
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Then stop spreading lies.
What lies?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink
What lies?
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I was right about your intellect, (whoosh! straight over the top of your head)
SolDevVB
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink
From 1997 until 2004, what major legislation did Obama pass?
Here’s a few:
Successfully sponsored the Health Care Justice Act, a study of ways to implement a universal health care system statewide. (2004)
Successfully co-sponsored a prescription drug discount buying club program for seniors and the disabled. (2003)
Successfully sponsored requirement that law enforcement videotape interrogations of suspects in some serious crimes. (2003)
Successfully sponsored law enforcement study of the race of people pulled over for traffic tickets. (2003)
Helped pass an overhaul of the state’s troubled death penalty system. (2003)
Successfully sponsored move to shield Illinois workers from federal rules that threatened overtime pay for some employees.
Successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform called the Gift Ban Act. (1998)
Here’s a graphic that breaks down by type the 800+ bills Obama sponsored or co-sponsored:
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html
Your turn, Sol: From 1997 to 2004, what major legislation did Palin pass?
It looks like the bad Chas has shown up tonight.
His good alter-ego must be under wraps.
Interesting case, this multiple personality thing.
“According to tax returns, the McCain-chaired IRI funded the organization Khalidi founded and served on to the tune of $448,873 in 1998.”
If Khaidi was a PLO “terrorist”..why would McCain have given the organization he founded half a million? You don’t see anything wrong with this picture? I think you’re the dense one!
“I was right about your intellect, (whoosh! straight over the top of your head)”
I noticed you didn’t answer my question. Keep up the personal attacks, Reg..you’re the one looking like a fool!
SolDevVB
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:16 pm | Permalink
Has Obama ever brokered a deal with a foreign nation?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9902626/
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=3810038
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/25/barackobama.nicolassarkozy
obama.senate.gov/news/060723-obama_takes_pol/
This is great! “Joe the Plumber” who doesn’t even have a license to be a plumber, who doesn’t have the money to buy a business, who owes back taxes…now wants to become a country music star!!!
OK, Regular,
You’ve gone a little too far. Mary doesn’t lie. She researches all the facts before she brings them to the BLOG.
Did you know that if we could just get rid of the evil gun lobby we’d save 30,000 lives a year due to gun violence?
I know it’s true, Mary said so. Get rid of the gun lobby and no more suicides from guns. No more gang related deaths due to fire arms. Absolutely no more gun deaths at all. . .if we could only get rid of the gun lobby. The evil gun lobby.
I know it’s true because the only thing that Mary hates more than guns is hypocrisy. If she says the gun lobby is responsible for 30,000 deaths a year it is a fact. A carefully research fact.
Lay off Mary it’s past her bedtime and she doesn’t have time to carefully research her response.
I’m still waiting for Reg to tell me what “lies” I’ve been spreading…LOL!
Regular posted October 29, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Then stop spreading lies.
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Multi-nic’d, “Kansas values”(sic) Regular,
Have you found those Congressional and Justice Dept links that you repeatedly, FALSELY, claimed proved that the Sierra Club “screwed” the New Orleans levees?
No. . .? Why is that?
“Kansas values”(sic) Regular(sic) also has a very long list of lies about other posters, AGW science, and other issues on this blog.
Regular(sic), do the readers of the WE Blog a favor, and change your nic to the much more appropriate “ReguLIAR”.
I’m not biting tonight, Hank..the only thing you’re right about is that it’s past my bedtime..g’nite!!!
Sounds like Mary would be a great camping candidate!
Bring salt and pepper Mary.
Good night, Mary.
“Police: Ex-lover killed woman in rage”
Liberals don’t need guns, a screwdriver works just as well. 222 times.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2008/10/29/1029bbdeaths.html
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HLP
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink
OK, Regular,
You’ve gone a little too far. Mary doesn’t lie. She researches all the facts before she brings them to the BLOG.
Did you know that if we could just get rid of the evil gun lobby we’d save 30,000 lives a year due to gun violence?
I know it’s true, Mary said so. Get rid of the gun lobby and no more suicides from guns. No more gang related deaths due to fire arms. Absolutely no more gun deaths at all. . .if we could only get rid of the gun lobby. The evil gun lobby.
I know it’s true because the only thing that Mary hates more than guns is hypocrisy. If she says the gun lobby is responsible for 30,000 deaths a year it is a fact. A carefully research fact.
Lay off Mary it’s past her bedtime and she doesn’t have time to carefully research her response.
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She’s a big girl and I handle her no differently than the males on this blog.
Handle yourself Jimmuh that’s what you’re good at.
Rage
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink
SolDevVB
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink
From 1997 until 2004, what major legislation did Obama pass?
Here’s a few:
Successfully sponsored the Health Care Justice Act, a study of ways to implement a universal health care system statewide. (2004)
Successfully co-sponsored a prescription drug discount buying club program for seniors and the disabled. (2003)
Successfully sponsored requirement that law enforcement videotape interrogations of suspects in some serious crimes. (2003)
Successfully sponsored law enforcement study of the race of people pulled over for traffic tickets. (2003)
Helped pass an overhaul of the state’s troubled death penalty system. (2003)
Successfully sponsored move to shield Illinois workers from federal rules that threatened overtime pay for some employees.
Successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform called the Gift Ban Act. (1998)
Here’s a graphic that breaks down by type the 800+ bills Obama sponsored or co-sponsored:
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Another lie.
Obama just signed his name. The 8 bills he did help author and sponsor are his own.
Think about it – Obama didn’t have time to author and sponsor 800 bills, just to sign his name.
numb skull
Testing, 1-2-3?
Posting, or not? Stuff is disappearing right now.
But that took. Huh.
Whatever. Nighty-nite!
Is it the langoliers? Run, Rage, run!
Returning to the “Titanic” analogy.
Somewhere, some half decent con is looking back on the carnage that has become her party.
Standing in the lifeboat, she says, “God Almighty!”
A whole bunch of decent Republicans are hoping this is finally the time those who hijacked the party have enough rope.
BlueJay’s are foul creatures and they give me heartburn. I just leave them where I find them.
I bet you smell like a big foot there Jimmuh.
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BlueJay
Posted October 29, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink
I bet you smell like a big foot there Jimmuh.
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dumb ass
It is election week. Where is the President? Is George Bush still dead? Cheney, too?
“It is election week. Where is the President? Is George Bush still dead? Cheney, too?”
Given the trend of things?
I would guess the administration is engaged in some HEAVY duty shredding of documents and deletion of hard drives.
DavidB posted October 29, 2008 at 10:31 pm
It is election week. Where is the President? Is George Bush still dead? Cheney, too?
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Maybe VP Cheney is busy getting ready to convince Senate Majority Leader Reid to make a lot of policy changes in the Senate?
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
Seeing re runs of McCain on Larry King.
He is…upliftd by Sarah Palin?
Does his wife know about this?
And more, McCain seems almost delusional in his faith that he will win.
Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
7) Food prices skyrocketing over 30% in 1 year.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember, it is Congress that makes the laws and spends our money -not the President. He has to work with what’s handed to him.
Part 2:
Taxes…Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML
Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K – taxed- $ 8,400 30K – taxed $ 4,500
50K – taxed $ 14,000 50K – taxed $ 12,500
75K – taxed $ 23,250 75K – taxed $ 18,750
Married earning: Married earning:
60K – taxed $ 16,800 60K – taxed $ 9,000
75K – taxed $ 21,000 75K – taxed $ 18,750
125K – taxed $ 38,750 125K – taxed $ 31,250
Barack Obama promises to return to the higher tax rates if elected. It is amazing how many people who fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If elected, Barack Obama has already promised that he will repeal the Bush tax cuts, and amazingly, a good portion of the people who fall into the categories above can’t wait for it to happen.
J R
Posted April 6, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
“Unless you live in New York, you will never get an opportunity to vote for Hillary Clinton.”
Given the opportunity, I will not vote for Obama.
‘Obama and McCain tax Proposals’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
“Obama’s plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy”
Address me under your better known nic Max.
I’m a known and trusted commodity here. I’ve no obligation to address some fart in the wind like you.
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this: Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. Read on…
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them I have included the URL’s for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and
marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.’
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
Are we THAT stupid?
J R
Posted January 16, 2008 at 7:47 am | Permalink
““He spent a lot of time listening.”
Yeah that is what I am afraid of.
I don’t WANT a listener. I sure don’t want a compromiser.
I want a candidate that will tell the minority Republicans to sit down and shut up.
I mean we are dealing with the party of Karl Rove and letting the sick suffer and die because they aint got the scratch for care. Ya don’t send Mr Roigers OR Mr Obama to do deals with the devil.
Geez haven’t we “compromised” away enough? Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 16, 2008 at 9:02 am | Permalink
I suppose it is no conincidence that Obama is also a well known homophobe and supports bigots like donnie mccloset. After all, that is sebelius’ m.o. as well. So of course, Jill would see no problem with Obama and how he has iced out the LGBT community. Docking cares no more about them than her bff kathleen.
Who will be the next group they throw under the bus. Careful, it might just be yours.
BlueJay/JR posted:
I’m a known and trusted fart here. I’ve no obligation to support myself, or my child.
http://www.trugop.org/OtherPix/SpreadTheWealth.gif
he he he!
ksfarmgrrl
Posted January 16, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
Yes Pmom. google Donnie McClurkin and Obama and read all about it.
Obama let McClurkin MC a fundraising concert and then let him spout his bigoted, homophobic crap for THIRTY MINUTES at the end of the concert.
And Obama had refused to even apologize for it.
I wonder how he and his would feel if Hillary let David Duke MC a fundraiser and give a thirty minute speech at the end?
Somehow, I think they wouldnt like it.
Homophobia. The last accepted bigotry in America. Hell, I guess it can even get you elected presnit, depending on the group you are pandering. And guess who Obama is pandering to in South Carolina?
Cons: You have mail.
Blog Monitor = BM
DNFTT
Imagine the huge crowds Sen. McCain( R ) would have, if he asked his friend, GW Bush( R ) to join him.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/McCain-Bush-Hug.htm
The PEOPLE of California voted in 2000 Prop 8 to establish under THEIR states laws that marriage is between a man and woman.
4 liberal judges trumped over the will of the people of California and made their vote null and void.
The PEOPLE of California are pissed and are going to vote again. Blacks and Hispanics are registered to vote Obama, but also to reinforce marriage as between a man and woman.
The lesson of the gospel is: If Obama is elected, he will appoint federal judges and a US Supreme Court which will no longer use the constitution as the basis of law – nor the will of the people.
The courts will set the socialist agenda.
Damn cons, get yourselves some red noses, big shoes, and white face.
You are become clowns.
Chas= a bowel movement.
And a waste of blog space, and a pretend Reverend.
It’s about time for his holiness Chass to start posting Christmas Crap on the blog, and suddenly turn warm and respectful of religion and the silly season.
Mark my words. DNFTT
Don’t you love eating your own words BJ?
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BlueJay
Posted April 29, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink
Blog crashed in the middle of my attempts.
I could not have said it better than farmgrrl did.
But I must note this. MOST Obama supporters have been ok with letting the process go on. WS, Capn, and a few others have not been so patient. They have been borderline cruel and dismissive to Senator Clinton supporters at times.
And who is it that it is here in THEIR darkest hour here offering comfort? The very folks they were willing to leave behind.
Well I don’t bail on a friend. And I don’t duck a fight. And I don’t like sucker punches.
My troubles as to Obama are well known.
But I too hurt for him. His pastor is not a good man or a good friend. Obama has a right, in my view, to find some way to denounce him.
Is it just me?
I see a con nic these days and I hear calliope music.
BlueJay
Posted April 28, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink
Well forgive an observation WS but you sound like you have a gun to your head.
And you are blaming all the wrong people.
And Monkeyhawk, it was not that long ago I lamented that I hated when Democrats fight. You assured me it was healthy and part of the process.
And you were right.
But this ISN’T nothing. And I don’t know how Obama gets out of it. He sure will not be inspired to try by such as WS.
What have I said all along?
It’s early. What’s the rush?
Well I guess it is a good thing Senator Clinton stuck the race. Because this stuff was going to happen anyway.
Watch Chas post his religious spoof about God and Baby Jesus and how holy the holy season is.
Watch Chas post his “I gotta run, it’s the busy time again.”
He is such a hypocrite. God and his son would want Christians to live and worship all twelve months of the year – and screw XMAS.
But not Chas. He will turn angelic and HOLY for a month and a half.
Hey JR/BlueJay, how is that hand-me-down computer from XXX holding up?
You are too poor to afford your own, and were having withdrawals from the blog so Triple X felt sorry for ya and gave you an old 80286.
Hows the handout working for ya?
BlueJay
Posted October 29, 2008 at 11:04 pm | Permalink
Is it just me?
JR posted, “Here I come to save the day! Mighty JR is here to stay!!” “I will save the world”.
ROTFLMAO!
Stalk me much “Max”
Go get any post of mine you like. I’ve only ever had two nics and only had to switch because of the actions of “HLP”
How many nics do you have “Max”?
If only I can get this ole Tandy 286 working. JR
JR/BLUEJAY, I have the goods on your other nics. Just not on the puter I have here tonight.
But thanks for the lying post. I will repost it.
JM remember?
YOu even confessed.
You have two minutes to post a retraction of your above post – or be declared a liar by default.
One, two, three……
Has anyone ever met “Max” or “blogmonitor”?
Pull out some more nics.
I’m enjoying your pain!
3.. 2…
I’m waiting….
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL
blessings even on the BM, who seems to be ANTI-CHRISTIAN, and ANTI-CHRISTMAS!! SHAME!!!
so mote it be!!
Oh,no Joe will be asking obama, how will your tax plan affect me when I’m a big country music star and have my own label? Of course, I’ll first have to learn to play gittar, and take some voice lessons, and line up a manager!
BlueJay
Posted May 10, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink
I don’t think I’ll bother.
Just another sappy Obama supporter lost in the delusion that Obama is some kind of new hope.
Actually, Senator Clinton fits better in the role of Yoda. (I know my Star Wars)
Obama is more reminding of Jar Jar Binks.
That it “Max” and “blogmonitor”?
Is there a second show? I’ll wait.
BlueJay
Posted May 10, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
“The force can have a strong influence on the weak minded.”
Obi wan Kenobi Star Wars Episode IV “A New Hope”
A cute but 20 minute waste of time this clip was.
J R
The Obama supporter who made this has done his candidate no favors.
As ever, the fan, like the candydate has trouble with enemy identification.
Re airing the embarrassing clips of Pastor Wright? Not wise. And the implication that Senator Clinton had anything to do with pastor Wright is a lie.
Also implied is the Clinton attacks on Obama.
My take is she has not attacked him ENOUGH. His weaknesses SHOULD have been exposed much earlier. For his sake, and the party’s.
And the “Annie Oakley” comments and Barack goofing for the crowd? That stuff is really starting to make me hate the guy.
My review? It’s cotton candy for those who already support Obama. It will win him no new fainter…er…voters.
BlueJay
Posted May 10, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink
” As if the Clintons are “holding back?”
That is EXACTLY my take.
I’ve heard for years about this vaunted Clinton machine.
Well it was not Senator Clinton exposed Barack Obama’s radical affiliations.
She either…
Didn’t look into it.
Chose not to use it.
It’s speaks either way to her treating Obama with kid gloves. And even Obama himself might be better off if she had been tougher. This is to say nothing as to the fairness to Edwards and the other candidates that Obama’s….problems…come out so late.
“You may not like the outcome, “BlueJay,” but you can take pride that the Democratic nominee has proven he can take a punch.”
Well for one, we don’t have an outcome or a nominee yet.
And as to Obama taking a punch?
I saw some of his supporters ready for suicide watch when the Wright stuff came back. And Obama himself was looking mighty hang dog.
Another line from “Star Wars”
This was spoken about Annakin Skywalker keeping tabs on the evil Emperor. But it works for Obama going up against the right as well.
“I don’t think the boy can handle it.”
BlueJay
Posted May 10, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
” I love her latest statement that she “has a base with under educated white guys”…is that supposed to be a compliment? ”
Oh I know you’re better than folks like me Mary.
You never out and out so much say it as you project it.
I like that an accomplished woman has room in her heart for those who haven’t won life’s lottery.
How many bookmarks DO you have for me “Max”?
Damn you ARE a fan. I’m flattered in a creepy sort of way.
BlueJay
Posted May 13, 2008 at 8:15 pm | Permalink
I’m reminded of another scene from Star Wars…
Obama supporter 1: Ok, here come the results for West Virginia.
What the?
Aw we’ve run into a meteor shower or some kinda asteroid collision!
Obama supporter 2: “What’s going on?”
Obama 1: The time and date are correct but… no Obama.
Obama 2: What do you mean? Where is he?
Obama 1: That what I’m trying to tell you. He aint there. He’s been totally blown away.
I hope joe’s landed his music contract by nov. 15, because then his 15 min. is up.
He was aginst him bafore he was with him.
Damn I hit refresh and I get my greatest hits.
You’ve got more “Max”
Go ahead and use it. Your dead in the “Max” nic after tonight anyway.
J R
Posted January 20, 2008 at 11:27 pm | Permalink
I cannot vote for Obama Mrage.
You may rest assured, neither my vote or yours counts in Kansas anyway.
But I cannot vote for a man who wants to work with the party of Karl Rove. And you are a fool to do so.
J R
Posted January 21, 2008 at 1:14 am | Permalink
Well you are damned confusing there paulie.
You have said you want Senator Clinton as the nominee.
That’s one hand.
And on the other you trash her.
Hmm what to do….
I’ll caucus for my candidate Kucinich. Then I will look Obama supporters in the eye and dare them to tell me why I should work with a creep like paulthecon as Obama wants me to.
And that paulthecon is not troubled by Obama troubles me. Paul is a shill with his ear to the ground. If HE has no problem with Obama maybe he knows something I don’t
Maybe Obama is ANOTHER Republican lite as I fear.
Any case I cannot vote for Obama. If he is the nominee I vote Green.
J R
Posted January 21, 2008 at 1:17 am | Permalink
What motivates me paulie?
Destroying you and yours. Given your record here how could ANYONE do otherwise?
This is hilarious.
WHO are you “Max”?
Do you have everything I ever posted bookmarked?
J R
Posted January 27, 2008 at 11:38 pm | Permalink
Steven?
Do you see what the other side is doing here to SUPPORT Obama? In vile attacks on me I mean?
Why would they do that?
They want him as our nominee.
That is more than enough reason for me to give Obama as much fight as I can to keep him from being the nominee.
MaxGrobnik,
Are you trying to avoid the reality of today, by digging up old, irrelevant posts?
J R
Posted April 1, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink
I already wrote to one Obama supporter about what I know the right is up to.
I guess I need to write to some more.
Everyone knows I do not trust Obama. But just as it is not my job to do the media’s job.
It is not my desire to help the right.
But we don’t want a nominee who affords the right an October surprise.
Get off the hope and change crap and do your research like I do.
I don’t need a publicist “Max”.
But I always like to acknowlege my fans.
J R
Posted April 1, 2008 at 9:54 pm | Permalink
WS you need to study your enemy.
That would not be me.
You need to get out in front of Obama’s issues.
I can’t say anymore.
J R
Posted April 1, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink
I am not here to attack your candydate WS.
Not yet.
Senator Clinton has taken the right wing fire for many years.
I am not entirely happy with her. But I prefer her to an unknown.
And Obama IS an unknown. How ELSE does he get this far without exposition of his radical affiliations?
J R
Posted April 1, 2008 at 11:43 pm | Permalink
WS
Obama is not vetted.
I can’t say more.
I am NO great fan of the Clinton’s and the record here will show that.
My support for Hillary Clinton is not so much for her as worried as to Obama.
If you truly support your candidate, get out in front of his difficulties.
Before the right does.
Because when I have to it may be too late.
Hey “Max”?
What day did I return to the WE Blog after a long absence and what was my first post?
And now joining the WE Blog’s Phony Preacher, we have the Phony Obama Supporter!
That’s funny, one of JR’s previously approved posts was rejected by the Moderator, this time!
What is my my dog’s name “Max”?
Done “max”?
Well,
I congratulate you on your….obsession? Max.
Do you poke through my garbage too?
You’re done “Max”.
Don’t let me stop you from going over done.
It looks like MaxGrobnik IS trying to avoid the reality of today, by digging up old, irrelevant posts.
Or else MaxGrobnik is just spamming this thread, so no one will read it?
Have fun MaxGrobnik. Everyone already scrolls past your irrational rants.
MonkeyHawk,
You are still the typical stupid liberal.
You claimed that you don’t call people names.
I merely pointed out that you are an idiot for making such an obviously false claim and give you a couple of examples.
Then you call me a whiner for doing so.
Typical liberal no win argument style.
And then you wonder why I call you an idiot.
Idiot.
This has been fun.
Creepy but flattering to know I have my own personal archivist.
Hey “Max”? No licensing unless I get a cut.
BlueJay
Posted May 10, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink
This was spoken about Annakin Skywalker keeping tabs on the evil Emperor. But it works for Obama going up against the right as well.
“I don’t think the boy can handle it.”
Well, as long as we’re going down “memory lane”:
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Max
Posted January 4, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink
So who exactly are you laughing at? PRESIDENT Obama, maybe, hmmm?
Posted by: Rage | January 04, 2008 at 03:20 AM
Edwards or Obama would be much better then Clinton, no question.
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Max
Posted February 7, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink>
I know Regular. Full of hate.
Only Obama can give us Hope.
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Max
Posted February 7, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink
As Barack says: “We will remember that there is something happening in America. That we are not as divided as our politics suggests. That we are one people, that we are one nation. That together, we will begin the next great chapter in the American story.”
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/cksopher
Sorta sounds like: “ together, we will build a bridge to the 21st Century!”
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Max
Posted February 7, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink
“Nothing in this country worthwhile has ever happened except somebody, somewhere decided to hope,” Mr. Obama said.
http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=253261
Sorta sounds like:
“Nothing in this country worthwhile has ever happened except somebody, somewhere decided to PRAY,”
“Nothing in this country worthwhile has ever happened except somebody, somewhere decided to THINK,”
“Nothing in this country worthwhile has ever happened except somebody, somewhere decided to WORK,”
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Max
Posted February 7, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink
Democrats, please tell me, do you feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that you are willing to let go of the past and change the future?
Have you noticed you are being manipulated yet?
Do the words “HOPE” and “CHANGE” make you want to dance on your toes?
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Max, ever heard the phrase “careful what you wish for, you may get it?”
Good shot, Rage!!
Rage,
I am not sure what you were trying to prove with those posts.
Is tonight bring up random posts from others night?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_ge/fact_check_obama_ad
Hey BJ check out Obama’s health plan. It would appear it is only guaranteed for children and not adults. Just your luck!
Chas,
You routinely post with and team up with several anti-Christian posters here.
Now all of a sudden you care?
Nevermind the fact that some of the crap you believe is not even Christian….
Speaking of health care.
Did you get any quotes yet BlueJay?
I’ll have to post this one again in the morning, but it looks like one of the huffington post writers killed her former lover and then herself.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2008/10/29/1029bbdeaths.html
Nathaniel posted October 30, 2008 at 12:14 am
Rage,
I am not sure what you were trying to prove with those posts.
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Nathaniel,
That’s not surprising, considering your irrational logic, and your very flawed junior-high school debating tactics.
Cosmos,
I might very well have what you think to be junior-high school debating tactics.
The sad thing is, that for as little as you think of my tactics you still can’t compete with them.
Doesn’t say much for you.
Irrational logic? What the hell is that?
Nathan, I do hang around with MANY NON-Christians… which is a FAR CRY from the kind of ANTI-CHRISTIAN sentiments posted earlier by the Blogs own POS BM….
Please to show ANYbody how a NON-Christian is automatically an ANTI-Christian???
Does being an avid football fan, make one an ANTI-baseball fan??? Think it through before you attempt a feeble answer….
I have many friends who are Hindu, Buddhist, Wicca, Jewish, and even a few Moslem friends from Chicago…. I dont know even ONE of them who is ANTI-Christian…
The Blogs own BM on the other hand, is directly confrontational to ME, and most likely any other Christian that doesnt fit into It’s own simple minded MOLD…. such as his constant DINGS on Christmas….
See, in his feeble mentality, he doesnt even know that the Birth, Death, and Resurrection is celebrated EVERY WEEK in almost ALL mainline denominations….
IF the Blogs own POS BM KNEW that, It wouldnt keep up the stupidity and totally ignorant, and FALSE BS that it posts….
Nathaniel,
You seem to believe that:
1) ‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
2) Dennis Avery is a credible AGW scientist.
And many, many more examples.
But I have better things to do tonight.
Nite all!!
Cosmos,
True or not, how do either of those things show that I use “irrational logic” let alone explain what “irrational logic” is?
I guess all who have ever shared their toys back in Kindergarten were raised as Communists, according to MAX and his ilk…. LOL