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Daylight savings time ends this coming weekend, I believe at 2 AM on Sunday morning.
Here’s how Republicans plan on keeping Georgia, by practicing a twist on the ol’ Jim Crow heritage that kept voters disenfranchised for years. At least they are no longer resorting to killing people for voting against the racists (except those Republicans who planned on assassinating Obama).
CNN: 50,000 purged from voter rolls in Georgia
With reports of voting problems rife in the media, and instances of vote flipping seen in West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Texas, elections watchdogs are on their toes for any more foul play.
In spite of their activism, 50,000 voters have been lopped off Georgia’s rolls.
CNN’s Abbie Boudreau and Scott Bronstein reported:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CNN_50000_purged_from_voter_rolls_1027.html
Oh, here’s the assassination plot by domestic terrorists (unless you ask Palin, then they aren’t terrorists).
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE49Q7KJ20081027
Oops, Palin has a commercial where she’s seen palin’ around with a known felon.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Campaign_ad_features_Sen._Stevens_endorsing_1027.html
Maybe she learned how to milk the taxpayers for personal gain from him?
Republicans need to resort to dishonesty in Virginia where McCain is losing in the polls.
Phony flier says Virginians vote on different days
A phony State Board of Elections flier advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5 is being circulated in several Hampton Roads localities, according to state elections officials.
In fact, Election Day, for voters of all political stripes, remains Nov. 4.
The somewhat official-looking flier – it features the state board logo and the state seal – is dated Oct. 24 and indicates that “an emergency session of the General Assembly has adopted the follwing (sic) emergency regulations to ease the load on local electorial (sic) precincts and ensure a fair electorial process.”
The four-paragraph flier concludes with: “We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause but felt this was the only way to ensure fairness to the complete electorial process.”
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days
Probably without realizing it, David Brooks is questioning the very foundation of Republican thinking:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/opinion/28brooks.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
I am a new fan of his…
Another Republican, a former Senator from South Dakota and a Vietnam Vet, endorses Obama. His rationale is that Obama is far better on economic issues than corporate welfare McCain.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14963.html
“Oh, here’s the assassination plot by domestic terrorists (unless you ask Palin, then they aren’t terrorists).” — Maggotpunk
They had swastikas painted on the get away car.
I think they should be national heros. They aren’t any more incompetant than wall street bankers. Raise them boys’ wages, BY GOD!
Note about Obama from a black Christian
Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him..
Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness. I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can’t dictate the terms He does because He is the leader. I can’t vote black because I am black, I have to vote Christian because that’s who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won’t be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter. We need to follow Martin Luther King’s words, don’t judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I don’t know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007. NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008) To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.
There is a reason planned parenthood gives him a 100 % rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito.
These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue. Lets take a look at the practice he wanted to continue. The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedure: A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby’s leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby) B. The baby’s leg is pulled out into the birth canal. C. The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head. D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby’s skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole. E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child’s brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed. God help him.
There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law. Think about this: you can’t give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.
There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years. Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright’s sermons. I wonder why now? Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 – 20 ‘Go and make disciples of all nations.’ This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you, talk like you believe what you believe etc.
The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him? Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a 1. Commitment to the White Community 2. Commitment to the White Family 3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic 4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community . 5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions 6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System 7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
Would you support a President who went to a church like that? Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama’s former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside. This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church.
The church can’t be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world. A church can’t have a value system based on race. The church’s value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if it’s a white church or a black church it’s still wrong. Anyone from either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.
Obama’s former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: ‘Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. Cone is the man Obama’s mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?
So what does all this mean for the nation? In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing – judgment. Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 ‘Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.’ Then God says 1 Samuel 1:18 ‘ When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.’ 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. ‘No!’ they said. ‘We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.’ 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, ‘Listen to them and give them a king.’
Here is what we know for sure. God is not schizophrenic He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.. Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.
For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four supreme court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy. I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama’s positions.
Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends. Since we know someone’s value system has to be placed on the nation, 1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation? 2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?
Blessings, Huntley Brown
Note: Mr Brown is a Jamaican-born classical pianist, well-known in evangelical circles. Snopes.com confirms that the email above is genuine
More evidence that J R’s prophecies are coming true:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6124663&page=1
Where is “the one” this a.m.?
Yeah we know Hank, Obama will never be Christian enough for some people, if he said he’d want to burn the constitution in favor of the bible, then your side MIGHT consider that good enough.
Yup Steven.
The move is about to get on to “save our Sarah!”.
And right out in front of that stampede of shame will be Sarah Palin herself. SHE can’t see it because those who love her WON’T see it. Sarah Palin is one of the primary reasons that McCain is gonna lose. But being hard headed and self righteous, Palin and the cons (not a bad name for a band) will scramble to get ready to lose AGAIN in four years.
It’s not so much prophecy as just understanding cons. You see? They simply CAN’T be wrong.
Even when they are.
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lindainks55
Posted October 27, 2008 at 8:44 pm | Permalink
What do the gun nuts have to say about this one?
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/28/america/Boy-Shoots-Himself.php
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“gun nuts”
Interesting way to open a discussion about a stupid, preventable tragedy. You can almost sense the glee with which Linda brings the tragic news to the BLOG.
Then, Mary, never missing a chance to defame anyone with lies and innuendo that disagrees with her, merrily chimes in with:
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 27, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink
To the gun nuts it’s just collateral damage, Linda…no big deal.
Kids drown in swimming pools and die in car accidents all the time…the only thing that’s important to them is that guns be as available as possible with no restrictions. Just ask Nathan if you don’t believe me.
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“. . . the only thing that’s important to them is that guns be as available as possible with no restrictions. Just ask Nathan if you don’t believe me.”
What an incredible lie, Mary. No restrictions? Where do you get that? Unable to debate without ad hominems?
There is not anyone on this BLOG that knows more about gun safety than Nathan. No one.
There is no one on the BLOG that understands the ‘restrictions’ and responsibilities of gun ownership than Nathan.
There is no one on the BLOG that does more to promote gun safety than Nathan.
Nathan is a marksmanship instructor in the Marine Corps. Nathan is qualified as a range safety officer in the Marine Corps. Nathan is an armorer in the Marine Corps.
Nathan has taken the time and expense to fulfill all the requirements to get his CCH license in the State of Kansas. Nathan participates in various extra courses on hand gun safety and operation at his own expense.
Nathan has taken the time to be a certified Hunter Safety instructor in the state of Kansas and volunteers his time to instruct young people on the safety requirements to become certified for their hunting licenses.
Nathan is always willing to teach anyone the basics of hand gun safety at the local firing ranges and has introduced many people to safe, responsible gun handling.
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But, because Mary irrationally disagrees with anyone that believes in the Second Amendment, she uses the fact of a tragic, stupid tragedy to defame and mis-characterize Nathan’s position on gun availability.
You owe Nathan an apology, Mary.
B.J.
Wait for the Palin bashing thread O’the day please. Then take your obsession there. Maybe an old babysitter?
“Palin and the cons (not a bad name for a band) will scramble to get ready to lose AGAIN in four years.”
Not bad, but I like ‘Palin and the Failin’ Cons’: they will specialize in sad C & W songs about hard times and failed romances…
“Wait for the Palin bashing thread”
But Palin IS the face, voice and future of the Republican party now. Just ask her in a few days!
“He [McCain] was also one of a shockingly few to understand that there is nothing American, let alone conservative, about torture, and that a battle for civilized values could not be won by uncivilized means.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/27/AR2008102702406.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Can someone tell me where this smart, decent, man went to? While I usually cheer for them, this will be the saddest Republican defeat I’ve ever seen.
Here are the Bills the One has sponsored in congress so far, pretty impressive. You can really tell where his priorities are: the Economy, Jobs, Foriegn Affairs.
–S. 1790: Communities of Color Teen Pregnancy Prevention Act of 2007
–S. 1713: A bill to provide for the issuance of a commemorative postage stamp in honor of Rosa Parks.
–S. 1513: Predominantly Black Institution Act of 2007
–S.Con.Res. 5: A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the first and only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences.
–S.Con.Res. 46: A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.
–S.Res. 383: A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.
–S.Res. 600: A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as “Freedom Summer”.
bahhhhhh…
bahhhhhh….
the One….
the One….
“But Palin IS the face, voice and future of the Republican party…”
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I sure hope the Republican Party continues their support of Palin! It guarantees the split in the party will remain. Those 24 percenters won’t win many elections, and don’t seem able to recognize that the rest of the country has moved beyond their social agenda and culture war. ;-)
lindainks55- I sure hope the Republican Party continues their support of Palin! It guarantees the split in the party will remain. Those 24 percenters won’t win many elections, and don’t seem able to recognize that the rest of the country has moved beyond their social agenda and culture war. ;-)
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Yeah, the “rest of the country” is moving on to a socialist agenda and class war. :^}
Dana Milbank preaching the prophecies of St. Jay:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/27/AR2008102702544.html?nav=hcmodule
Palin has never campaigned for McCain. She is campaigning for Sarah!
McCain is nothing but a stepping stone for this woman. She may have never had aspirations for anything beyond Alaska, but McCain presented her with a gift that will keep on giving.
This won’t be the last we hear of Sarah Palin. She’ll be back, barracuda teeth bared, in a couple of years.
Republicans like to call Hillary Hillarybeast, but you ain’t seen nothing yet. Sarah’s nastiness has no bounds.
McCain betrayed himself. That is the simple story of this sorry election. Had McCain picked Libermann as his running mate (like he wanted to), they would have been 10 to 15 ahead at this point.
Sad.
WOW! From Steven’s link:
“The Diva then introduced the Dude. “Someone I’d like you to meet, and that is my husband, Alaska’s ‘first dude,’ Todd Palin,” she said. When the crowd answered with chants of “Duuuuude! Duuuuude!” she added: “It’s about time we had a dude in the White House.”
IN THE WHITE HOUSE…
She really is an airhead, isn’t she? But like bush (she is LOTS like bush!) she has those 24 percenters.
McCain is nothing but a stepping stone for this woman.
True dat. Sarah is a conservative. McCain… not so much.
What y’all fail to realize is that both candidates are socialist. You can’t try to go socialist when times are tough. You increase the taxation on large corporations, you kill jobs. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that one out.
So you promote unemployment so that those that don’t pay taxes get a free check from those that do. So now you have those at the bottom of the food chain with a little extra coin in his/her pocket. They will need it when the layoffs hit.
Corporations are already in a tight money spot. Increasing their tax burden will magnify that. They will cut corners and I guarantee you the bottom rung workers will be the first cut.
So y’all go ahead and cheer the new tax code. You are killing the lower earning American’s livelihood – all in the name of giving them a temporary hand out.
Good on ya.
Obama’s Education Groups Funded Controversial Organizations in the ’90s, Tax Returns Show
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/obamas-education-groups-funded-controversial-organiations-s-tax-returns/
Barack Obama’s boards gave tens of thousands to ACORN and more than $1 million to racially charged organizations, a study of tax returns shows.
Both sides of aisle rip MSNBC
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i28df3fc9f6707d1478700b7bc78273ae
“We should stop the demonizing,” she said, adding that Democrats have been worse than Republicans as far as personal attacks on candidates are concerned. “It diminishes us,” she said of her fellow Democrats.
I thought this was good and bears repeating:
At a time when America is facing some of the deepest problems in its history — the long war on terrorism, economic malfunctions, energy deficits and global warming — it needs new ideas and courage more than ever.
Yet in a cruel irony, the fringe segment of the Republican Party that Sen. John McCain invited to control his presidential campaign wants us to vote out of fear.
The past two weeks of the campaign have seen American politics in its most intellectually dishonest mutation, causing independents and even some longtime moderate Republicans to wince, blink and try to distance themselves.
No matter who is elected, the nation’s political process will have been forever cheapened by the 2008 campaign. And if treating the American people like simpleminded pawns should result in a McCain victory, the implications for future campaigns are profound and distressing.
Spin is a normal part of all segments of the political process, from elections through governing. Gaining support for your policy choices requires marshaling facts in the light most favorable to you and least favorable to your opponents. Seeking to take advantage of serious missteps or even misstatements by your opponent is simple opportunism.
A line exists, however, separating tough campaigning from irresponsible, and the people running McCain have been well beyond it.
They most recently dragged out that old bugaboo “socialist” to cause us to fear Barack Obama, basing that label on his casual use to a stranger of the common phrase “spread the wealth.” That was no more a declaration about income redistribution than his use of another common phrase, “lipstick on a pig,” was a reference to Sarah Palin. Yet they expect us to define and fear him on that basis.
Before that, we needed to fear him because of his “palling around with terrorists” because he once knew one, and because his longtime United Church of Christ pastor holds off-the-wall racist opinions, and because Obama is actually a Muslim, you know (albeit one who, oddly enough, relies on a Christian pastor), and, of course, there’s that African-American shadowy thing hanging around.
We also, they want us to know, need to fear many of our fellow Americans. Not enough of them live in the “real America.” They are, we’re told, “anti-American” based on the far right’s social litmus tests, and may thus be freely cursed and despised.
All that would be laughable if it didn’t come wrapped in the cynical expectation that some number of Americans would buy into one or more of the canards. It would be merely sobering to think that the crafters of the attacks actually believed them. But the fact that they fully know better is truly terrifying, as well as an insult to all voters.
McCain, particularly in the closing days of this campaign, has vigorously tried to separate himself from the failed policies of George W. Bush. But he’s had little to say about the administration’s corrosive, divisive and dishonest political tactics. That’s understandable, since they are the product of the same people McCain invited to control his campaign.
It would be naive to think that as president he could rid himself of them.
Davis Merritt is a former editor of The Eagle.
If you were starting a company and needed to figure out where to headquarter it. If you stay in Kansas, you face a 47% tax burden (made up number) that includes State Tax (do y’all pay State tax?) or you could move it to Texas, with a 36% tax burden and no State tax. Which state would you headquarter in?
Now think about that on a corporate scale. Why would you headquarter in the US and pay more tax instead of Dubai? Why would you hire American workers and pay higher taxes on their part when you can hire Koreans?
I’ll apologize to Nathan when you apologize for the lies and falsehoods you help spread about Obama.
When I talked about my 11 year old nephew dying from a gun accident, Nathan mocked me. So he owes me an apology, also.
Get over yourself, Hank.
From Steven D’s David Brooks link:
“If you start thinking about our faulty perceptions, the first thing you realize is that markets are not perfectly efficient, people are not always good guardians of their own self-interest and there might be limited circumstances when government could usefully slant the decision-making architecture (see “Nudge” by Thaler and Cass Sunstein for proposals). But the second thing you realize is that government officials are probably going to be even worse perceivers of reality than private business types. Their information feedback mechanism is more limited, and, being deeply politicized, they’re even more likely to filter inconvenient facts.
This meltdown is not just a financial event, but also a cultural one. It’s a big, whopping reminder that the human mind is continually trying to perceive things that aren’t true, and not perceiving them takes enormous effort.”
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I’m not sure what Brooks is struggling to convey.
On one hand he states the faulty thinking and misperceptions that led to the current financial mess. Then Brooks points out that there is no reason to think that government regulators are going to perceive reality any better and probably more inaccurately.
Brooks seems to be either saying that we need better bullsh*t detectors, or that we’re doomed.
Thomas Frank should read the article. He would be even more confused.
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 28, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink
I’ll apologize to Nathan when you apologize for the lies and falsehoods you help spread about Obama.
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Which ‘lies’ would yo be referring to? Let’s discuss them.
And, while we’re at it, since hypocracy is one of your unforgivable sins, what about the lies spread about McCain? Do they concern you?
HLP
Posted October 28, 2008 at 8:56 am | Permalink
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 28, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink
I’ll apologize to Nathan when you apologize for the lies and falsehoods you help spread about Obama.
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That’s just sad Mary, very sad.
Sarah Palin is being supported out of loyalty to the Republican ticket. If McCain- Palin loses, I do not expect to see her as a party leader.
You’ll notice, Hank that I don’t post them on the interent. In fact, I take them with a grain of salt because I realize that “swiftboating” goes both ways. I prefer to check out my facts before I post.
A side note –
There’s a piece on NPR this morning about the two skyscrapers that bookend downtown Charlotte, North Carolina. Wachovia, on the other end of Main Street, is on the brink of financial collapse but still building a larger skyscraper.
Now, I think the New York skyline is one of the most impressive sights anyone could imagine.
But at least there was a reason for skyscrapers; NYC is on an island, f’r chrissake! They had to go up; just like Hong Kong. But Charlotte, North Carolina? If your business is so damned successful you could pay of the sheriff and the deputy (and the barber and Aint Bea) and build a Butler Building to fill your office space needs.
But, no.
The skyscraper has become Corporate America’s version of the penis. The Credit Default Swap crisis has proven that $100-Million-a-year CEOs had no idea what they were doing. Even more, the Wall Street bailout has proven that if you can steal enough money from little people you can force them to bail you out of the s#it storm you’ve driven this country into.
And your skyscraper can be longer than the guy up the street’s.
Japanese car makers are not burdened with the worker health care costs that American car companies have, due to a better Japanese health system.
Those higher US costs are built in to each American car and truck.
A change in America’s health system can be one way to keep US companies competitive..
There are many ways to keep American business healthy without screwing over the majority of the people.
No, Nathan made fun of me because of a tragedy in my family….and the sad part his he didn’t think a thing about it.
Yeah Sol, the ought to look up Fabian Socialism or Fabian Society.
A change in America’s health system can be one way to keep US companies competitive..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Have you never heard of the UAW?
You and Nathan both should be ashamed of yourselves over your support of the gun lobby that is responsible for over 30,000 deaths a year in our country…and you have the audacity to claim you’re prolife?
Mary, you MUST be guilty! You’ve said you will vote for Obama and that makes you part of the anti-American, socialistic, stupid… (you get the point). Guilty by association! It’s the company you keep. Who have you been pallin’ around with? Have you listened to words someone disagrees with? Then you are those words! When nothing can be fund about your behavior, you must be put into a group and bear the labels of the group.
You support a war for oil and control that has resulted in the deaths of over 4,000 American soldiers and over 100,000 Iraqis and cost our country trillions of dollars..and you claim to be prolife?
Cherry-picking the facts biased Biased? There are lies an then there are damned lies.
Here are 37 pieces of Obama legislation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×3132998
These included bills to create a federal standard for renewable diesel fuel (S.1426), to improve benefits and services for members of the armed forces and veterans (S.3988), and to direct the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to establish guidelines for tracking spent fuel rods (S.1194).
I have an idea, Hank…why don’t you post the reasons why the candidate you support would make a good president…instead of posting lies, rumors, assumptions about the candidate who is winning this election?
“If McCain- Palin loses, I do not expect to see her as a party leader.”
Well that is wise of you outlander.
But I don’t think she is gonna let your opinion stand in her way.
Where did Obama come from?
He made a good speech at the Dem convention, got some sunshine in his sails, and off he went.
Sarah Palin had much the same experience, only on STEROIDS. And she likes it. Just TRY shutting her up the next 4 years. Hell they can barely keep her reined in now.
From an email..
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The
following has been attributed to State Representative Mitchell Kaye from
GA. This guy should run for President one day..
‘We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help
everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots,
keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings
of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren,
hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense
guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional. We hold
these truths to be self evident: that a whole lot of people are confused
by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require a Bill of NON-Rights.’
ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any
other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them,
but no one is guaranteeing anything.
ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country
is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone — not just you!
You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion,
etc.; but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.
ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick
a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the
tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently
wealthy.
ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans
are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in
need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after
generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than
the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes. Get an
education and go to work. …don’t expect everyone else to take care of
you!
ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be
nice, but from the looks of public housing, we’re just not interested in
public health care.
ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If
you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don’t be surprised
if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.
ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If
you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens,
don’t be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a
place where you still won’t have the right to a big screen color TV or a
life of leisure.
ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you
to have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect
you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational
training laid before you to make yourself useful. (AMEN!)
ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American
means that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is a
lot easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws
created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don’t care where you
are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you
came from! (Lastly….)
ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country’s history or
heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet,
you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no
faith at all; with no fear of persecution The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is
part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it,
TOUGH!
Yes, I’m guilty as charged, Linda…Lord knows the next thing I’ll be doing is plotting a terrorist attacks so the Muslims can take over the country…sssshhhhh…don’t tell anyone!
I do not expect to see her as a party leader.
If you’re thinking Republican party leader, you may be right. What about the Wingnuttia Party? Or maybe the God Will Save You If You Vote for Us Party? Everybody has been screaming for more third parties. Why not this one?
“This guy should run for President one day..”
God forbid.
Yes, yes.. the terrible awful American workers are all to blame for Detroit’s woes… thank you…
the terrible awful American workers are all to blame for Detroit’s woes
The UAW? Get a clue. The last thing they are interested in is the worker. Don’t mess with unions much do you?
Pre, I think that “party” already exists — inside the Republican Party. It was a group Rove courted and he won their affection and they were married. Now it seems some in the party would like to divorce them or at least minimalize them. I say (happily), what goes around, comes around.
I have to leave for work…..I plan to vote tomoorow, LOVE this advance voting thing!!!
Looking forward to the changes ahead…”hope instead of fear”
See ya all on the flip side!
Have a great day, Mary!
It’s Official: New York Times is now in junk bond status
by Mark Skousen
10/28/2008
Friday, the New York Times endorsed Barack Obama for President as “the right choice” to follow the “battered, drifting and failed leadership” of George W. Bush.
That wasn’t a surprise. The real news came from another part of town: Yesterday, Standard & Poors slashed the New York Times rating on its $1 billion debt to “junk” status.
Coincidence, or cause and effect?
The fact is that the aloft New York Times has been adrift and unresponsive to the marketplace for years, and now it’s paying the price for its anti-business agenda. (It is only one of a handful of stodgy big corporations to hold onto its socialistic “defined benefit” pension play for employees–most other major corporations have switched to market-oriented “defined contribution” 401k plans.)
On Thursday, the Times, which owns The Boston Globe, International Herald Tribune, and 16 other daily newspapers, reported a steep drop in third-quarter profits and print advertising as more subscribers go online. The board announced that it is seriously considering cutting its dividend.
Not surprisingly, the company’s stock price declined 20% this week, and has fallen 80% since 2004.
Shortly after the release of the bad financial news, Standard & Poors slashed its credit rating to “BB-,” or junk status, and Moody’s Investors Service changed the rating outlook for the Times from stable to negative.
Now the good news. A shareholder revolt is in the making that could reshape the New York Times and its illiberal agenda.
Last year, shareholders of the company gave voice to their growing displeasure with the company’s management by withholding 42% of their votes. This represented more than half of the investors who are not part of the Ochs-Sulzberger family that owns a 90% interest in the super-voting B shares. Chairman and Publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. said he understood the frustration reflected in the vote.
But shareholder anger has only increased during the last year as the stock has plunged. More shareholders are clamoring for Sulzberger to either restructure the company, sell it, or take it private.
And shareholders now have powerful new activists to prod management along. Philip Farcone, of Harbinger Capital Partners, and Scott Galloway, of Firebrand Partners, two hedge-fund managers who specialize in targeting troubled companies, have both amassed a substantial stake in the company. (Galloway and his partners alone have accumulated 28 million shares, just under 20% of the Times.)
And last month, Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim, the world’s second-richest man with a net worth of roughly $60 billion, also jumped in the fray, buying 6.4% of the company.
These shareholders are clearly demanding change in The New York Times franchise and its long-term strategy to drive increasing internet revenues. But they also see an opportunity to lean on management to unlock the value in these shares, and maybe even change the notorious editorial page.
With the pressure mounting, I believe The New York Times will be restructured, sold or privatized in less than a year.
Mr. Skousen is a renowned financial economist, author and university professor. He has been the editor of the financial advice newsletter, Forecasts & Strategies, for 28 years. Two of his books highlight Milton Friedman’s career: “The Making of Modern Economics” and “Vienna and Chicago, Friends or Foes?.” Check out his latest books, ?Investing in One Lesson? and “EconoPower: How a New Generation of Economists is Transforming the World.” He is the producer of FreedomFest, the world’s largest gathering of free minds, in Las Vegas every July.
DavidB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 9:18 am | Permalink
Yes, yes.. the terrible awful American workers are all to blame for Detroit’s woes… thank you…
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Unions may be part of the problem, but I think the biggest problem Detroit has is this: They put out the same damned vehicle under several different brands. It’s the same freaking car, only it has a different grill and logo!! Also their design staff is horrible (Pontiac Aztek?)…The Japs have been doing it better for years, why can’t Detroit see why the Japs are succeeding and they are not?
Rumor-mongering:
“Andy Martin, a self-described “anti-Obama nemesis,” is the source of some of the most vicious rumors about Obama including current claims that the candidate lied about who is real father is.
“Look, the way I see it, one person’s rumor is another person’s fact,” said Martin. He said spreading rumors is “disgusting and I never do it” but conceded that his own earlier claim that the candidate was a secret Muslim, something he repeated on nationally broadcast television and radio talk shows, “is diluted now.” Obama is Christian.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27404513/?GT1=43001
As he tacitly acknowledged, he just makes them up and puts them out there. Then others in the media do the rest.
If your business is so damned successful you could pay of the sheriff and the deputy (and the barber and Aint Bea) and build a Butler Building to fill your office space needs.
Monkeyhawk, I have to disagree with this one. Have you been to Charlotte lately? I admit I haven’t, but I did do some extensive research on it a couple of years ago and it’s grown even more since then. I also have a friend who lived there for about a year in the tech (computer) field.
To make it simple, here’s the info on Charlotte’s economy at Wikipedia:
Charlotte has become a major U.S. financial center, and, based on assets, both the nation’s largest and third largest financial institutions call the city home (Bank of America and Wachovia, respectively). Bank of America’ headquarters, along with other regional banking and financial services companies, are located primarily in the uptown financial district. Thanks in large part to the expansion of the city’s banking industry, the Charlotte skyline has mushroomed in the past two decades and boasts the Bank of America Corporate Center, the tallest skyscraper between Philadelphia and Atlanta. The 60-story postmodern gothic tower, designed by renowned architect Cesar Pelli, stands 871 feet tall and was completed in 1992.
The following Fortune 500 companies are headquartered in the Charlotte metropolitan area, in order of their rank: Bank of America, Wachovia , Lowe’s in suburban Mooresville, Nucor (steel producer), Duke Energy, Sonic Automotive, Family Dollar, Goodrich Corporation, and SPX Corporation (industrial technology). Other major companies headquartered in the Metro Charlotte include Time Warner Cable (a business unit of Fortune 500 company Time Warner), Continental Tire North America (formerly Continental/General Tire), Muzak, Belk, Harris Teeter, Meineke Car Care Centers, Lance, Inc, Bojangles’, Carlisle Companies, LendingTree, Compass Group USA, Food Lion, and the Carolina Beverage Corporation (makers of Cheerwine, Sun Drop, and others) in suburban Salisbury. Also, neighboring Gastonia is home to the Parkdale Mills world headquarters.
Charlotte is also a major center in the US motorsports industry, with NASCAR having multiple offices in and around Charlotte. Approximately 75% of the NASCAR industry’s employees and drivers are based within two hours of downtown Charlotte. Charlotte is also the future home of the NASCAR Hall of Fame, expected to be completed in 2009. The already large presence of the racing technology industry along with the newly built NHRA premier dragstip, zMAX Dragway at Concord which is located just north of Charlotte in Concord, NC, is influencing some of the top professional drag racers to move their shops from more expensive areas like California to the Charlotte area as well.
The center city/uptown area of Charlotte has seen remarkable growth over the last decade. Numerous residential units continue to be built uptown, including over 20 skyscapers either under construction, recently completed, or in the planning stage. Many new restaurants, bars and clubs now operate in the Uptown area. In 2006, Courtside was the first new residential skyscraper to open in Uptown Charlotte. Several other towers were completed in 2007. Several projects are transforming the Midtown Charlotte/Elizabeth area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte
Obama Would Fail Security Clearance
by Daniel Pipes
10/28/2008
With Colin Powell now repeating the lie that Barack Obama has “always been a Christian,”
despite new information further confirming Obama’s Muslim childhood (such as the Indonesian school registration listing him as Muslim — See a copy at danielpipes.org), one watches with dismay as the Democratic candidate manages to hide the truth on this issue.
Instead, then, let us review a related subject: Obama’s connections and even indebtedness, throughout his career, to extremist Islam. Specifically, he has longstanding, if indirect ties to two institutions, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), listed by the U.S. government in 2007 as an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas-funding trial, and the Nation of Islam (NOI), condemned by the Anti-
Defamation League for its “consistent record of racism and anti-Semitism.”
First, Obama’s ties to Islamists:
The Khalid al-Mansour connection: According to former Manhattan Borough President Percy
Sutton, Al-Mansour “was raising money for” Obama’s expenses at Harvard Law School. Al-
Mansour, a black American (né Don Warden), became advisor to Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talal, CAIR’s largest individual donor. Al-Mansour holds standard Islamist views: He absolves the Islamist government in Sudan of sponsoring slavery, he denies a Jewish tie to Jerusalem, and he wrote a booklet titled “Americans Beware! The Zionist Plot Against S. Arabia.” (Both Obama and al-Mansour deny Sutton’s account.)
• The Kenny Gamble (also known as Luqman Abdul-Haqq) connection: Gamble, a once-prominent pop music producer, cut the ribbon to the Obama campaign headquarters housed in a South Philadelphia building he owns. Gamble is an Islamist who buys large swaths of real estate in Philadelphia to create a Muslim-only residential area. Also, as the self -styled “amir” of the United Muslim Movement, he has many links to Islamist organizations, including CAIR and the Muslim Alliance in North America. (MANA’s “amir”
is Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.)
• The Mazen Asbahi connection: The Obama campaign’s first Muslim outreach coordinator
resigned after it came to light that he had served on the board of a subsidiary of the Saudi-sponsored North American Islamic Trust with Jamal Said, another unindicted co-conspirator in the 2007 Hamas funding trial. Asbahi has ties to CAIR’s Chicago and Detroit offices, to the Islamic Society of North America, yet another unindicted co-conspirator in the Hamas funding trial, and to other Islamist organizations.
• The Minha Husaini connection: The campaign’s second Muslim outreach coordinator has an
Islamist background, having served as an intern in the Muslim Public Service Network.
Immediately upon her appointment by Obama, she met with a group of about 30 Muslims including such notorious figures as CAIR’s Nihad Awad; the Muslim American Society’s Mahdi Bray, who has publicly supported the Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist groups; and Johari Abdul Malik of the Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church, Va., who has advised American Muslims: “You can blow up bridges, but you cannot kill people who are innocent on their way to work.”
Obama’s ties to the Nation of Islam (NOI):
Obama’s long-time donor and ally Antoin “Tony” Rezko partnered for nearly three decades
with Jabir Herbert Muhammad, a son of NOI leader Elijah Muhammad, and says he gave Jabir and his family “millions of dollars over the years.” Rezko also served as executive director of the Muhammad Ali Foundation, a rogue organization that, without Ali’s permission, exploited the name of this CAIR awardee.
Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s esteemed pastor for 20 years, came out of a Nation background. Recently he accepted protection from an NOI security detail, and has praised Louis Farrakhan, the NOI’s leader, as one of the “giants of the African American religious experience.” Wright’s church celebrated Farrakhan for his having “truly epitomized greatness.”
Farrakhan himself endorsed Obama, calling him “the hope of the entire world,” “one who can lift America from her fall,” and even “the Messiah.”
That Obama’s biography touches so frequently on such unsavory organizations as CAIR and the Nation of Islam should give pause. How many politicians have a single tie to either group, much less seven of them? John McCain charitably calls Obama “a person you do not have to be scared [of] as President of the United States,” but Obama’s multiple links to anti-Americans and subversives mean he would fail the standard security clearance process for federal employees.
Islamic aggression represents America’s strategic enemy. Obama’s many insalubrious connections raise grave doubts about his fitness to serve as America’s commander-in-chief.
Mr. Pipes is director of the Middle East Forum and author of Miniatures (Transaction Publishers).
I lived in Charlotte a few years back – when they got the NASCAR Hall of Fame awarded. I understand they are the second largest finacial district shy of Wall Street. Uptown is amazing. As per the sky scraper, they lease out the space. Cash cow.
Yeah, Sol, it’s amazing what’s happened in Charlotte. Too bad Wichita can’t get a small piece of that.
“If you stay in Kansas, you face a 47% tax burden (made up number) that includes State Tax (do y’all pay State tax?) or you could move it to Texas, with a 36% tax burden and no State tax. Which state would you headquarter in?”
Sol, it isnt just that easy. Companies have to consider access to an appropriate workforce, transportation, and proximity to markets and suppliers. Oh, and dont forget the cost of real estate for physical plant. It’ll make you faint in Texas.
Then, of course, have you looked at the PROPERTY taxes in Texas? The SALES taxes? Businesses may not pay sales taxes, but their employees and customers do. And businesses do pay property taxes, unless they were abated for economic development purposes. In which case, their EMPLOYEES and CUSTOMERS pay the higher property taxes to offset the business give aways.
No, dear Sol. The decision to locate is much more complicated than just looking at personal or business income taxes.
The piper, er, costs of public works and services, must be paid, and if Peter wont do it, Paul has to!!!
No matter which pocket he uses…
Mccain and Sarah ticket are symbolic of the divide that is the Repub party. Like terrorist groups are known to do, eventually they turn on and devour themselves, over who is the most pure.
Fortunately, for Mccain’s campaign managers, most of them will just officially go back on the clock for their lobbying firms.
Pre-
They grew too fast. One of the reasons we left was the drastic increase in crime. Was it M12 or MS13? That really nasty South/Central-American gang that beheads people? Ugly stuff.
Uptown was designed really well. The architecture is breath taking. They left a lot of trees and large ‘patios’ / ‘foyers’ seem to be the theme. All with predominant water features. I had a contract for several months in a building down town. I used to eat my lunch on a bus stop bench. While there was a lot of commotion, the noise level was very low. Really peaceful. A BBQ truck would park across the street daily. It amused me the very long line of $1,000 suits lined up for the BBQ plate.
I still have some friends down there. I understand things are settling out now. Bully for them. Charlotte is headquarters for many large businesses now. Just loved it down there. Looking forward to visits.
On the subject, have you driven the Blue Ridge during peak color?
Sol, were you there when they were building the tunnel from the courthouse to the jail?
Farmie,
I didn’t say locate, I said headquarter. Dad and I started a business together many moons ago. He was a resident of Florida and I Michigan. We incorporated in Texas though to enjoy the tax relief.
Pre –
While I worked downtown, I didn’t venture far from work. I walked that 2nd or 3rd floor tunnel that linked so many buildings (you could get just about anywhere and your feet never touched pavement:-D ). I have no idea where neither the court house nor jail was. I was familiar with the part of town by the stadium. That was about it.
Daniel Pipes relied on disputed LA Times article to revive Obama-Muslim falsehood
Summary: On FrontPageMag.com, Daniel Pipes purported to consider whether Sen. Barack Obama was “ever a Muslim or seen by others as a Muslim.” But in support of his statement that “available evidence suggests Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing,” Pipes cited a March Los Angeles Times article, critical parts of which have been challenged by the Chicago Tribune.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801020004
BoA stadium that is…
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 28, 2008 at 9:10 am | Permalink
You and Nathan both should be ashamed of yourselves over your support of the gun lobby that is responsible for over 30,000 deaths a year in our country…and you have the audacity to claim you’re prolife?
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 28, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink
You support a war for oil and control that has resulted in the deaths of over 4,000 American soldiers
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So I’m 52 times more likely to die from a gunshot in the US, than to die from a roadside bomb, sniper or a suicide bomb in Iraq or Afghanistan?
nit.
Sorry, I guess that would be the Mecklenburg County courthouse and jail, I guess.
I haven’t been that far east since 2000 on my way to DC in July, but we did go through the Smokey Mtns. Haven’t been that far southeast since ‘87 on the way to Savannah, GA. :(
ksfrmgrrlicker- The piper, er, costs of public works and services, must be paid, and if Peter wont do it, Paul has to!!!
No matter which pocket he uses…
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Vote for the One, he has a “magic” pocket with about a trillion dollars in it.
This is, well, thought provoking.
http://www.americathegiftshop.com/#/start
I was familiar with the part of town by the stadium. That was about it.
I was familiar by maps and photos and articles, not the real thing. :)
The piper, er, costs of public works and services, must be paid, and if Peter wont do it, Paul has to!!!
No matter which pocket he uses…
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Vote for McCoot, he has a “magic” credit card with about 12 trillion dollars on it.
Consumer Confidence, lowest ever recorded since tracking began in 1967. Bush wins hands down! And, Kansans want more of the same?
Consumer confidence plunges to lowest on record
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The Conference Board said the consumer confidence index fell to 38, down from a revised 61.4 in September and significantly below analysts’ expectations of 52.
That’s the lowest level for the index since the Conference Board began tracking consumer sentiment in 1967, and the third-steepest drop.
Plan a trip Pre. It is an awesome city. Carowins (sp?) is just across the border. Marrow Mtn. Park is an easy drive. Then the parkway through the mountains. We will head back for a visit this spring/summer and again in the fall for peak color.
And the BBQ???? Anyone who says that ribs should fall off the bone needs to be slapped ;~) Dang it, I can’t come up with the name now… It will bug me until I remember it… Anyway, yeah, great part of the country. OH !!!! If you get a chance, on the Northern border – West Virginia mountains. Dang I can’t remember the highway now either… CRAP !!!!
US 77. And if you needed furniture, Hickory, NC was the place to be.
Are you and Architect Pre?
SONNY’s BBQ !!!! That’s it !!!!
Thanks bth. It takes forever to Google all those references in Regular’s cut and pastes. And after all is said and done, it usually turns out the article is mostly misrepresentations or falsehoods.
Regular’s many insalubrious connections raise grave doubts about his fitness to post believable articles…
Surprising fact: Half of gun deaths are suicides.
For those that like to cook (and eat wonderful food —)
http://www.amazon.com/Gordon-Ramsay-Makes-Easy/dp/0764598783/ref=pd_ys_ir_all_1
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biased1
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink
Surprising fact: Half of gun deaths are suicides.
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Caused by the evil gun lobby. Mary carefully researched this ‘fact’ before she brought it to the BLOG.
hehehehe
We spent the night in West Virginia on our way to DC from southern IL.
No architect here, Sol. Just a writer. That underground tunnel was perfect for a suspense story. I learned a lot about Charlotte in the process.
A trip sounds grand! I have a chance to go to Nashville in 2010 and stay at the Gaylord Opryland, but it’s not a given. Next year is DC again, but it’s iffy on whether I go, no matter how much I want to. Unfortunately, it won’t be another road trip like before. I really enjoyed seeing things I hadn’t seen since I was a kid.
Anti, biased,
Shhhhh, You are letting it trick you. Let it die on its own.
So I’m 52 times more likely to die from a gunshot in the US, than to die from a roadside bomb, sniper or a suicide bomb in Iraq or Afghanistan?
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No, but you are safer in Bagdad than you are in South Chicago.
Exactly what I was wondering, ANTI.
If it was for being an A-hole, I think we have all been guilty of that at one time or another.
Shhhhh. It will die on its own. Don’t fall for it….
HLP- Caused by the evil gun lobby. Mary carefully researched this ‘fact’ before she brought it to the BLOG.
hehehehe
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We should ban houses (house fires kill 1,000 more children per year than guns do)
We should ban swimming pools (drownings kill 2,500 more children per year than guns do)
I think we have all been guilty of that at one time or another.
Never. Never once. Never even close. And I have never been wrong.
/Sarcasm
SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink
Shhhhh. It will die on its own. Don’t fall for it….
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10-4
My sister lives in Charlotte, well really in a suburb named Huntersville. She lives far from most of her family and is always asking us to come visit. Sol, you sure have made that sound like a trip I should plan!
HLP- No, but you are safer in Bagdad than you are in South Chicago.
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This can’t be true, the One organized those communities and fixed their schools……
I hope he plans to do the same for the rest of the nation.
bahhhhh….
bahhhhh….
sheeple
SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink
I think we have all been guilty of that at one time or another.
Never. Never once. Never even close. And I have never been wrong.
/Sarcasm
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Me neither, I was just speaking in generalities!!!
:)
ANTI
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink
If it was for being an A-hole, I think we have all been guilty of that at one time or another.
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That is just not true anti. The libtards on this blog are always courteous and kind.
Linda,
PACK A BAG!!! GO NOW !!!! It is really worth it. If it weren’t for lack of family, we never would have left.
Chelle and I like to drive. Just head out with no direction and explore. We found so many wonderful places in NC mostly around Charlotte.
If you do go, try to make it to Gold Hill. Just a tiny little speck, but most of the buildings are over 150 years old. Just amazing.
OH YEAH !!
There is a park on the North side of Charlotte kinda out US 77. Pretty weird finding it, once you hit a sign for it, just keep following them. They have a huge area for BBQing with trees separating the pavilions, so you almost feel like your party is the only one there. They have miles of nature trails. At the visitor’s center, they have a butterfly garden. Oh man am I ‘home’ sick !!!
As if you libs care the Arabs think Muslim Obama is just one of them,lets hope not.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10282008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama__the_arabs_135632.htm
Hey guys, I’m a star! Here’s ME doing a promotional video for the upcoming change from analog to digital…
http://www.hulu.com/watch/36608/talkshow-with-spike-feresten-cable-psa
Maurice Siebert was just on cnbc. She said that she’d read one estimate that there is one quadtrillion in derivative out there, and a first step would be requiring all derivatives to be registered so we could get a handle on how big the problem is, and just what needs to be regulated. And, she didn’t know where the regulators were while this was going on.
She followed a clip of mccain taliking to Marie Bartiromo talking about Fannie & Freddie were the root cause, the guy is in over his head (just like Franklin, on the crisis).
It is so much more broader and deeper than F&F.
R.I.P. Roger Moore.
He will be missed.
Wow! HLP, you know they accuse you of being me – and me of you.
So I guess they decided to pull my post, of me making fun of you being me.
R.I.P. Roger Moore.
Do you have a link? I tried Google news and got nothing.
Wait for it… you notice ‘neither’ is posting right now. You notice how clever is was to post repentant chas with no link in his nic (black instead of blue)? Then screamin chas pops on…
Wait for it. Don’t fall for it juuuuust yet.
WOW, Chas’s(the real one), HLP, HDChap, & one of my post have been removed…None were insulting at all! What the hell is going on?
Here we go again, more FRAUD:
Jackson, MS 10/27/08
Voter rolls stuffed with dead and absent registrants
Posted: Oct 27, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
Updated: Oct 28, 2008 09:20 AM EDT
Voter rolls need amending
By Bert Case – bio | email
JACKSON, MS (WLBT) – Mississippi’s voter situation is hard to believe. Places like Madison County have over 123% more registered voters than people over the age of 18.
Sue Sautermeister, First District Election Commissioner in Madison County, tried to purge the rolls, but ran into trouble when it was discovered it takes a vote of three of the five election commissioners and the purge cannot take place within 90 days of a federal election.
Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann is the first to admit the situation with voter registration in this state is terrible.
“It is terrible,” he says. “Combined with the fact that we don’t have voter ID in Mississippi, anybody can show up at any poll that happens to know the people who have left town or died — and go vote for them.”
Foxnews
Linda, you are a snappy dresser!
We can’t have voter ID because that would be repressive to poor and old people.
Nevermind that old people have been around long enough to gain photo’s and ID.
Nevermind that poor people have to have ID to cash a check, or pick up federal benefits, or apply for any local social programs.
Enough is enough. Give everyone a photo ID and stop this nonsense.
“None were insulting at all! What the hell is going on?”
I am certain someone cried to the bleeding hearts. Of course everyone ELSE is responsible for the actions of one.
It’s the new America. The Obamafication of America and the press.
Attention republican and conservative bloggers! All the liberals should be too busy following orders from Heir Obama on election day.
This will truly be a conservative dominated blog for a day!
“A new 30-second spot on Barack Obama’s Web site is urging voters to “talk to your boss” or professor and then take the day off from work or school to volunteer for his campaign on Election Day.
The “Take the Day” campaign suggests voters sign up to go to battleground states or work in phone banks closer to home on Nov. 4, when they would normally be at work or in class.
“We can’t win this election unless every Obama supporter gets out and votes on November 4th. ”
Foxnews
This one survived…
ANTI
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink
If it was for being an A-hole
Too strange.
“American_Way
Posted October 28, 2008 at 11:20 am | Permalink
…Enough is enough. Give everyone a photo ID and stop this nonsense.”
Give everyone a photo ID? Give it to them? That would be welfare! We can’t give citizens ID’s, they have to pay for it! What is this Russia?
Wow! Maybe Obama better go talk to them:
“SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea’s military warned Tuesday it would attack South Korea and turn it into “debris,” in Pyongyang’s latest response to what it says are confrontational activities by Seoul against the communist country.”
Phantums- there is one quadtrillion in derivative out there, and a first step would be requiring all derivatives to be registered.
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If it took 1 sec. for a “derivative to be registered” it could be done in 31 years.
Phu(k the stupid $hit. D@mn a$$holes anyway. Svck a (ock d!ckhead.
Wonder if this one will get pulled?
The post of mine that was pulled went something like this:
In response to Chas’s pulled post-
Ah, there’s the REAL Chas, I knew those repentant post could not have been his! How’s it hangin’ Chas?
I hope my tax dollars were not paying for a cultural center in Syria.
“The Syrian government has ordered that an American school and a U.S. cultural center in Damascus be shut down” Fox
We need to bomb a few more countries if that’s all it takes to stop spending our money abroad.
How typical:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-urges-voters-day-work-help-campaign-election-day/
Obama encourages people to embrace change by skipping work.
Welcome to socialism.
Interesting reading…
Hillary Backers Decry Massive Obama Vote Fraud
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_voter_fraud/2008/10/27/144303.html?promo_code=2A89-1
I saw that KSGolfnut.
That’s why I posted that the WEBLOG should be wide open for conservatives on election day. All the libs will be hard pressed into service going door to door dragging people to the polls.
All of them.
But wait! Hold on a cotton pickin’ minute here.
Is Obama’s post a TRICK?
How can liberals take the day off from w.o.r.k.?
Obama supporters mace Republican campaign workers!
http://www.galaxgazette.com/cgi-bin/storyviewnew.cgi?055+News.20081027-2025-055-055007.Lead+News
“No, but you are safer in Bagdad than you are in South Chicago”
Having walked through south chigago – and without an armed escort – I doubt that.
Small business owners are waking up:
“The thought of voting for Obama does not sit well with kennel owners Mary and Steve Grech. They are both voting for John McCain, but only by “process of elimination.”
“Barack Obama’s whole ‘I’m going to take from the rich and give to the poor’ Robin Hood attitude … I am very offended by that. It smacks of socialism, so it definitely won’t be Barack,” said Mary Grech, who works in Xenia, Ohio.”
American_Way
Posted October 28, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink
Is Obama’s post a TRICK?
How can liberals take the day off from w.o.r.k.?
Probably similar to the number of US who can take the day off from w.o.r.k.
Big bad, LeRoy Brown,
baddest man in the whole damn town…
Meaner than Osama Bama.
Obama to his Thugs, “Get in their faces!!”
“American way” = HLP = Hank.
Among the posts pulled were one from HLP and one from “American way” that were word for word the same and less than 2 minutes apart.
OOPS!
What about mine and Chas’s post, BlueJay?
President Obama can grant forgiveness:
October 27, 2008
An intrepid researcher has discovered more than 200 tax liens totaling more than $3.7 million have been filed by the government against the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now for unpaid taxes since the late eighties.
A tax lien is issued when a person or organization fails to pay taxes and that tax debt is considered seriously delinquent. A lien is only issued after the government makes several unsuccessful attempts to collect the debt.
The conservative-leaning Capital Research Center’s Matthew Vadum found a staggering number of liens listed against ACORN’s national headquarters at 1024 Elysian Fields Avenue in New Orleans, Louisiana while conducting an exhaustive investigation of ACORN’s history and current activities.
“I took that address and plugged it into Nexis and did a public records search for tax liens,” Vadum said. “At least 230 tax liens corresponded to ACORN’s address and they were all from ACORN’s shadowy network of affiliates.”
The liens filed against ACORN and their associated groups come from the Internal Revenue Service and government officials in fifteen different states.”
Linda,
First, the “instructor” who allowed that 8 year old to shoot a fully automatic weapon as he did was negligent.
He was an idiot. Period.
Not that letting an 8 year old shoot a gun is wrong, but the simple fact is that a fully automatic weapon is not something to allow an 8 year old to just shoot.
I teach people how to shoot fully automatic weapons.
When we allow Marines to shoot on full auto, I stand right behind them and hold their shoulder with my wieght and have my other hand ready to reach over to grab the weapon (just in case)
If you have never fired a fully automatic weapon you are not prepared for the recoil of one. Even Marines are not. Let alone an 8 year old kid.
That instructor should have probably not allowed the 8 year old to shoot and at the very least should have been helping the 8 year old hold the gun.
The anti-gun idiots quoted in the article have no clue about what they are talking about.
Even the father is an idiot. He said he thought that the micro uzi would be easier for his kid to handle. If anything it was much worse. I doubt it had a stock to help with the recoil and is so small that you can hardly grip it to prevent recoil.
So here you have an 8 year old that doesn’t know how to handle an uzi let alone a fully auto one.
As he pulled the trigger each shot pushed the weapon up and back in his hands until it was pointed towards his head.
Tragic.
Avoidable.
Preventable.
Something tells me that this “instructor” was just some red neck hill billy who should be ashamed of himself and probably is.
Mary,
The gun lobby is not responsible for over 20,000 people who choose to kill themselves with a gun.
The gun lobby is not responsible for the 10,000 people who kill someone with a gun illegally.
The gun lobby is not responsible for the less than 500 accidental gun deaths a year in this country.
BlueJay,
Good news!!! There is fresh koolaid. Stay away from that stale stuff you have. I think it went bad.
Mary,
I don’t believe that I mocked the death in your family.
I do believe that I mocked your absurd stance on gun control and your being a hypocrite by having a gun in your home, but I never mocked the death in your family.
If that is what you believe I did, I apologize. If I really did do it and I have forgotten then I am truly sorry.
I have been rather annoied with you ever since you mocked my being a Christian and called me not a very good one.
Not the very neighborly thing to do.
I don’t know what has happened to you, but you have turned into one angry arrogant and rude person on this blog lately, especially to the two people here (my father and I) who have never been anything but nice to you.
Yet you love to bash Christianity and my faith and others as well.
So, yeah, there are probably apologies needed all around.
Hey, the WE Blog is slipping. Where is today’s Sarah bashing thread?
BREAKING NEWS
News Orgs Investigate Fatal McCain ‘64 Car Crash
October 28, 2008 09:45 AM
For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual.
Vanity Fair magazine and the National Security News Service claim to have knowledge “developed from first-hand sources” of a car crash that involved then-Lt. McCain at the main gate of a Virginia naval base in 1964, according to legal filings. The incident has been largely, if not entirely, kept from the public. And in documents suing the Navy to release pertinent information, lawyers for the NS News Service allege that a cover-up may be at play.
“Plaintiffs have also obtained documents showing that law enforcement officers were ordered back to the accident scene to retrieve personal physical effects. The Navy has never publicly acknowledged this information,” one document reads. “This request involves federal government activity, as it addresses what may be an attempt by the Navy to protect by concealment the involvement of a former Navy officer, sitting Senator and Presidential candidate in a serious incident involving the injury or death of another human being.”
The first request for information concerning duty assignment logs to Portsmouth Naval Hospital — where McCain was allegedly brought after the accident — came in the form of a Freedom of Information Act request on August 28, 2008. The Navy acknowledged receipt of the request and advised that it had located the relevant information a few weeks later, only to deny the FOIA on grounds that it didn’t prove an “imminent threat to the life or physical safety of an individual” or satisfy the criteria of “a breaking news story of general public interest.”
“The patient admission record logs that you seek are exempt from release,” wrote G.E. Lattin, Deputy Assistant Judge Advocate General, “as information in personnel and medical files, as well as similar personal information in other files, that if disclosed to a requestor, other than the actual person in which the information is pertaining to or next of kin, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.”
NS News Service and Vanity Fair appealed the decision and asked for expedited treatment of the case, as the end of the presidential election loomed. But the Navy denied that request as well.
“It appears to be a deliberate refusal to provide clearly releasable information concerning assignments to Portsmouth Naval Hospital,” wrote legal representatives for the two news organizations. “Allowing the Navy to extend its time to respond beyond a date when the documentary facts of this matter would be available for public consideration prior to the national election on Tuesday, November 4, 2008 would violate the spirit, as well as the provisions of the FOIA.”
Staff for National Security News Service and the company’s lawyer both refused to discuss the proceedings. And there are only parcels of information concerning the story that can be gleamed from the court documents.
At a minimum it seems clear that Vanity Fair and NS News Service have launched an investigation “disclosing first-hand witnesses’ recollection of an automobile accident in which then Lt. John S. McCain III was involved. Those witnesses specifically recall McCain’s assignment to that [hospital] facility with the other person involved in the accident.” This episode in McCain’s life has, it seems, not been made public, and the plaintiffs suggest that the Navy may be attempting to actively restrict information about the incident.
“The subject matter of the documents is a matter of current exigency to the American public,” reads a document filed by legal representatives for the news service, “because the requester is preparing a current news report addressing whether the Navy continues to conceal the involvement of a Navy officer in a serious automobile accident in July 1964.”
Sounds like John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) graduated from the Laura Bush Driving School*.
* Something like the Michael Jackson Day Care Centers.
Psychotherapy for McCainiacs:
The Ashley Todd Hoax: Madness Update
On Friday, I discussed the Ashley Todd hoax as seen through the eyes of right-wing blogger, Red Alerts. As evidence of the hoax mounted, Red Alerts twisted himself into a pretzel, revising and rewriting the Ashley Todd narrative to support his continuing sense of persecution by the big bad Other. When we last checked in with RA, he was blaming lefty provocateurs for the hoax. But, looking in on him today, the narrative has morphed again. Now there is a new devil in town—Ron Paul:
She’s a Paulnut! This explains everything
I also noticed that Red Alerts, AKA Rob Taylor, is talking in the comment thread about civil war and rioting in the streets if Obama is elected:
If Obama wins we riot… This country is split down the middle and civil war is coming soon. At this point I’m happy it is, because the alternative is a slow slide into Sovietism where people like me end up in camps. I’ll see you on the field I guess.
If RA was alone in his folly, I wouldn’t bother to write a word about his twisted post. But he is far from alone. He is thoroughly tapped into a dark undercurrent war on America’s collective sanity. Here, for example, Fox News stokes the overheated Ashley Todd hoax with talk of post-election rioting and sexual assault charges against the imaginary black assailant.
Dark undercurrents are a part of the human makeup—usually denied but always with the potential to be unleashed in volcanic spasms of collective insanity. I certainly hope we’re not approaching such a point, but it seems that others who want rioting in the streets and civil war feel differently.
Considering the shock and sense of outrage Americans experienced when Islamic terrorists killed 3,000 people on 9/11, that any American could feel “happy” about the kind of violence that could cost millions of American lives is a stark reminder that madness does not belong to any single human tribe. Civilization is a relatively fragile veneer over our broader roiling madness. We should not casually abuse that veneer or overestimate its depth and durability.
So, people, remember—we live in a democracy and this is an election. Win or lose, regardless of who you support this year, you will have another chance to vote again in two years and again in four years and every other year thereafter. Bad choices can be undone in the next cycle. Murder cannot be undone.
http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/2008/10/the-ashley-todd-hoax-wingnut-reaction-update.html
This isn’t a democracy, it is a Federal Republic.
How the hell did Ron Paul get brough up in Ben’s story?
Mary,
I believe in the sanctity of life NOT the absurd stance that any loss of life is bad or wrong.
To protect the sanctity of life, sometimes life must also be taken.
Yes, the war in Iraq will have cost the lives of several thousand military men and women and the lives of an truly unkown number of Iraqi civilians.
However, those lives were not taken because of our actions, they were taken because of the actions of terrorists, insurgents, secretarian violence, and Iranian infiltration.
We did not cause those lives to be lost. We are doing what we can to prevent those lives from being lost.
This is a big difference between liberals like you and others.
You look at the Iraq war and blame the deaths on Bush or those that supported the war instead of the actual evil men who killed our brave men and women and the Iraqi people.
In the end, hopefully and I pray, that Iraq will be a better country and the people there better off.
They will live a much better life and be free from the terror and oppression of a evil leader like Saddam.
People like you don’t look at the real cause of the death, you merely try to score cheap political points by blaming those you disagree with.
Ben,
You never did bother to try to substantiate your claim that the Marines stood by and did nothing during that masacre.
Lets hear it.
Admit you were wrong or prove it.
Nevermind the fact that you didn’t explain why YOU believed that the bombing which killed over 200 Marines was a legitimate attack, you merely explained why others might have.
Do YOU Ben, believe that the attack was a legitimate military attack on an occupying force?
The prophet “Nathaniel” offers –
“To protect the sanctity of life, sometimes life must also be taken.”
Just where did Jesus say that, boy?
MonkeyHawk,
Jesus never said that I could eat popcorn while watching a movie either. I still do.
The lack of a permission for something is not a condemnation of it.
Jesus never spoke against self defense or the defense of others when there life is being threatened.
I honestly don’t know Nathan. Answer this question for me: If we have information as to where an ‘enemy’ is sleeping is it OK to bomb it? If so, then does that not establish as a ‘rule of engagement’ that blowing up where a combatant sleeps is OK? Following that slippery slope – are soldiers in a war zone combatants?
WHY WERE THEY THERE? WHAT WAS THE MISSION? WHY WERE WE LOBBING SHELLS THE SIZE OF VOLKSWAGONS INTO THAT COUNTRY?
Did Ronald Reagan place our brave marines into a situation where they were occupying a foreign country? Yes. THAT I put on Reagan and the civilians; not on the marines.
Question: If Soviet troops (Red Dawn scenario) were occupying America and they had a barracs near Goddard what would you do? Welcome them?
As for the massacres – we were there. We could have and should have restrained our allies who carried them out.
BlueJay
.Among the posts pulled were one from HLP and one from “American way” that were word for word the same and less than 2 minutes apart.
JR you are an idiot. I posted words to that effect.
I’ve been here for almost two years.
The EDITOR IS WELCOME TO CHECK!! Have them have at it!
It was Israel and Phalange who DID the massacre – the US chose to not restrain our allies in doing so.
To truly be peace-keepers a force must protect people from BOTH sides – not be allied with one side.
Inside Today’s Bulletin Philly
U.S. Attorney Investigating ACORN
By Michael P. Tremoglie, The Bulletin
10/24/2008
Nearly 8,000 applications turned in by a group tied to the Barack Obama campaign are problematic according to Philadelphia election officials. Approximately 1,500 have already been referred to the U.S. Attorney’s office for investigation of possible voter registration fraud.
Philadelphia Deputy Election Commissioner Fred Voight told CNN, Oct. 14, that The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now’s (ACORN) applications are problematic. The way the new applications are collected were possible causes of problems.
“We know that there are people who have not been able to meet their quota and are fired,” Mr. Voight said. “The people who are doing this are homeless, recovering drug addicts, recovering alcoholics and are desperate for money.”
According to Tim Dowling, election finance documents specialist of the Philadelphia Voter Registration Administration, ACORN turned in 78,376 voter applications from April 28, 2008 through Oct. 6, 2008. Of this number, 6,962 have been rejected to date.
This figure does not count duplicate applications, Mr. Dowling said. It has been estimated that 80,000 voter applications were duplicates, but this total was from all sources not just ACORN.
ACORN’s voter registration activities have run afoul of the law in other parts of Pennsylvania. Last July 24, Dauphin County detectives offered a $2,000 reward for information about the whereabouts of Luis R. Torres-Serrano, an ACORN worker, who was accused of submitting more than 100 fraudulent voter registrations.
Delaware County authorities arrested a former ACORN employee Oct. 21 on felony theft and forgery charges for allegedly submitting dozens of phony voter-registration applications.
Each of the purported applicants, upon interview, stated that the signature appearing on the application in his or her name was not, in fact, the signature of that person,” Mr. Green said.
quite the (unsubstantiated) ’story’ there, mh. Vanity Fair? Oh yeah..well known for its in depth analysis…like the current online edition highlights “confessions of a nude sushi model”.
Quite the story there…care to substantiate it?
Pirates beware – The Black Screen
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081028/china_microsoft_blacked_out.html?.v=2
“Raptor
Posted October 28, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink
quite the (unsubstantiated) ’story’ there, mh. Vanity Fair? Oh yeah..well known for its in depth analysis…like the current online edition highlights “confessions of a nude sushi model”.”
Agreed raptor. Sort of like all those stories about “Muslim Obama born in Kenya”
Ben,
The masacre took place on 15 and 16 September, by a militia group. NOT OUR ALLY.
IT IS ALLEGED THAT ISRAEL ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. ALLEGED.
On the 10th of September the Marines had withdrawn from Lebanon.
That is before the Masacre. They were not there.
After the assissination of the President of Lebanon and that masacre the Lebanon government REQUESTED the return of the multi-national peace keeping force to Lebanon.
The force was comprised of French and Italian Soldiers as well.
The Marines spent their time in Lebanon training the lebanese military and doing humanitarian missions as part of a multi-national peace-keeping force.
You are nothing but a liar Ben. You claimed that our Marines stood by and did nothing while a masacre took place. Truth is that the Marines were not there.
Truth is that the Marines came back to prevent further tragedy from taking place at the REQUEST of the lebanese government.
So why do you continue to spread these lies about the Marine Corps?
Ben,
So what proof do you have that our “allies” carried out those masacres?
Ben,
The Marines were orginally sent in to monitor the retreat of the PLO from Beirut.
They left on 10 September in 1982 after that mission was accomplished.
Only a few days later did the masacre take place.
So why do you accuse the Marines of standing there and doing nothing?
The prophet “Nathaniel” equates killing people with eating popcorn at a movie.
No wonder you’re an ex-Marine, boy.
They don’t want you on their side anymore.
Kinda funny we haven’t heard from chas…..
“SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink
Hey, the WE Blog is slipping. Where is today’s Sarah bashing thread?”
That’s my daily line too. But it is evident some of the liberal koolaid drinkers are exhibiting serious withdrawal symptoms on the Open Thread today.
WEBLOG WE NEED ANOTHER PALIN MASTERBATION THREAD!!!
MonkeyHawk,
No where did I equate killing people with eating popcorn.
I am not an ex-Marine either. I still actively serve in the USMCR.
Yet you continue to show that great liberal support for the troops by denigrating my service.
BlueJay
Posted October 28, 2008 at 11:39 am | Permalink
“American way” = HLP = Hank.
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Any proof of this paranoid assumption, my little man? What about your claims that I’m also ANTI? And didn’t you once claim that Max was me also?
Sorry, junior, everyone that annoys you with their existance isn’t me. I post under one nic and one nic only.
nitwit
Where did Ben go?
Hopefully actually researching what happened so that he can finally admit he was wrong.
Ben,
You avoided my question earlier as well.
Do you believe that the attack on the Marines which resulted in over 200 dead was a legitimate military attack or a terrorist action?
If you feel like there is another option feel free to explain.
Hank is not AmWay.
Nathan – we had troops in Lebanon when our allies carried out the massacres. The force was increased afterwards. For whatever reason we did not interfere in the actions of our allies at Sabra and Shatilla.
Is it your position that we were not in Lebanon at the time? What is your explanation of the massacres and US actions or lack thereof?
Nathan – I answered your question at least as well as you did mine. They are inter-related.
HLPh….typical leftist gimmick. Like capn’s paranoia about people using more than one nic. It is like their way of “refuting” anything you say. If they can claim (without proof, mind you) someone posts under more than one nic, then anything that person says cannot be beleived.
Not sure I follow the logic, but it is very popular with the libs. Sorta like dismissing any thought by claiming someone is a ’shill’ and therefore not “worthy” of consideration.
Very popular and much used gimmick. doesn’t make a lick of sense, but that doesn’t stop them.
“Where did Ben go?”
WORK. I do that. And will be some more. That is how I get a paycheck.
Ben,
First of all, you keep saying our allies carried out the massacres.
That is an unproven accusation made by you. What is your proof for this? History records that massacre as being carried out by a radical militia group, not our allies.
The Marines were withdrawn on the 10th of September after the successful PLO movement.
How many troops do you think we had at the time of the massacres?
The Marines had been withdrawn by the time they took place.
What part of that do you not understand? The Marines were not there during the massacres.
The Marines were not in Beirut at the time nor were they in any position to stand by and allow the massacres to take place as you claimed.
Asking me to explain why the massacres took place is not proof that the Marines stood by and did nothing while they happened as you claimed.
You are a liar ben or are merely ignorant of the facts.
Which is it?
When will you admit you were wrong.
Be a man, have some balls. Stop defaming the Marine Corps like the cowardly anti-military POS you are.
Phantums- there is one quadtrillion in derivative out there, and a first step would be requiring all derivatives to be registered.
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If it took 1 sec. for a “derivative to be registered” it could be done in 31 years.
I don’t think she was calling for each dollars worth to be registered independently, but maybe for each class and type and number of issues outstanding.
Sounds like there’s been a shadow financial system operating in tandem with the official traditional financial system, except completely unregulated.
The eagle should provide a community mental health service and dedicate a thread topic called ‘Rant & Rave’ on election night, to provide an outlet for all the repubs in despair. Might save some lives!
What are you saying Nathan, the Marines were holed up in the barracks, not providing any peacekeeping efforts while the massacres were going on unabated, and so they took it out on us?
Monkeyspunk- Sounds like John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) graduated from the Laura Bush Driving School*.
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What happened? Did he get drunk, drive off a bridge, save himself and leave his female passenger to drown?
Oh wait, thats the “Kennedy School of Driving”
Inside Windows 7 Pre-Beta
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2333407,00.asp
LMFAO. They are hosting a page for Windows 7 using classic ASP.
LMFAO !!!!
If you get the humor in the above, your geek factor went up 12 credits.
And wouldn’t a “pre-beta” release be an “alpha” release?
“First of all, you keep saying our allies carried out the massacres.
That is an unproven accusation made by you. What is your proof for this? History records that massacre as being carried out by a radical militia group, not our allies.”
“The Kahan commission found that Ariel Sharon “bears personal responsibility”[32]and recommended his dismissal from the post of Defense Minister, stating that:
It is our view that responsibility is to be imputed to the minister of defense for having disregarded the prospect of acts of vengeance and bloodshed by the Phalangists against the population of the refugee camps and for having failed to take this danger into account when he decided to have the Phalangists enter the camps. In addition, responsibility is to be imputed to the minister of defense for not ordering appropriate measures for preventing or reducing the chances of a massacre as a condition for the Phalangists’ entry into the camps
The Kahan commission also recommended the dismissal of Director of Military Intelligence Yehoshua Saguy, and the effective promotion freeze of Division Commander Brig. Gen. Amos Yaron for at least three years.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre#Israeli_role_in_the_massacre
So – it was carried out by Phalange working with the Israeli military.
“Historians and journalists agree that it was probably during a meeting between Ariel Sharon and Bashir Gemayel in Bikfaya on 12 September that an agreement was made authorizing the “Lebanese forces” to “mop up” these Palestinian camps.[4] Sharon had already announced, on 9 July 1982, his intention to send the Phalangist forces into West Beirut,[5] and in his autobiography he confirms having negotiated the operation during his meeting with Gemayel in Bikfaya.[6]
According to statements made by Ariel Sharon on 22 September 1982 in the Knesset (Israeli parliament), the decision that the Phalangists should enter the refugee camps was made on Wednesday, 15 September 1982 at 15.30.[7] Also according to General Sharon, the Israeli Command had received the following instruction: “[t]he Tsahal [8] forces are forbidden to enter the refugee camps. The ‘mopping-up’ of the camps will be carried out by the Phalanges or the Lebanese army.”[9]
By dawn on 15 September 1982, Israeli fighter-bombers were flying low over West Beirut and Israeli troops had secured their entry. From 9 am, General Sharon was present to personally direct the Israeli penetration, installing himself in the general army area at the Kuwait embassy junction situated at the edge of Shatila camp. From the roof of this six-story building, it was possible to observe the town and the camps of Sabra and Shatila clearly.
By midday, the camps of Sabra and Shatila — in reality a single zone of refugee camps in the south of West Beirut — were surrounded by Israeli tanks and soldiers, who had installed checkpoints all around the camps in order to monitor the entry or exit of any person. During the late afternoon and evening, the camps were shelled.
By Thursday 16 September 1982, the Israeli army controlled West Beirut. In a press release, the Israeli military spokesperson declared, “Tsahal controls all strategic points in Beirut. The refugee camps, inside which there is a concentration of terrorists, are surrounded and sealed.” On the morning of 16 September, the following order was issued by the army high command: ” [t]he searching and mopping up of the camps will be done by the Phalangists/Lebanese army.”[10]
During the course of the morning, shells were being fired down at the camps from higher elevations and Israeli snipers were shooting at people in the streets. By approximately midday, the Israeli military command gave the Phalangist militia the green light to enter the refugee camps. Shortly after 5pm, a unit of approximately 150 Phalangists entered Shatila camp from the south and south-west.
At this point, General Amir Drori telephoned Ariel Sharon and announced, “Our friends are advancing into the camps. We have co-ordinated their entry.” To which Sharon replied, “Congratulations! Our friends’ operation is approved.”[11]
For the next 40 hours the Phalangist militia raped, killed, and injured a large number of unarmed civilians, mostly children, women and elderly people inside the “encircled and sealed” camps. These actions, accompanied or followed by systematic roundups, backed or reinforced by the Israeli army, resulted in dozens of disappearances.
The Israeli army had full knowledge of what was going on in the camps right up until the morning of Saturday 18 September 1982, and its leaders were in continuous contact with the militia leaders who perpetrated the massacre. Yet they never intervened. Instead, they prevented civilians from escaping the camps and arranged for the camps to be illuminated throughout the night by flares launched into the sky from helicopters and mortars.”
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/145.shtml
You are correct that our troops at the time of the massacres were offshore. That does not change the fact, however, that they did nothing to rein in our Israeli/Phalange allies.
I am not defaming the marines. I am ‘defaming’ Reagan.
Sol, a “pre-beta” release in my world is an alpha for sure.
I wish I had Tivo’d today’s WEBlog so I could fast forward through all the B.S. bickering between Nathaniel and bth.
He probably got drunk and just ran down some insignifican m.p., don’t think they could have covered up if he’d ran down a civilian, even on a base.
This should resolve the boeing strike.
Details of proposed deal between Boeing, union
Tuesday October 28, 1:44 pm ET
By The Associated Press
Highlights of tentative deal between Boeing, machinists that could end 53-day strike
A tentative labor agreement reached late Monday by Boeing Co. and its striking Machinists’ union includes the following points, according to a union statement:
– Wage increases totaling 15 percent over the four-year life of the contract, including annual increases of 5 percent, 3 percent, 3 percent and 4 percent, compared with a total of 11 percent over three years in Boeing’s last pre-strike offer. Like the last offer, it boosts the hourly rate for new hires to $14 from $11.72, but it also adds a $1 hourly increase for low-seniority workers to keep them above entry-level pay. Entry-level pay had been unchanged since 1992.
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– Bonuses of $5,000 or 10 percent of the previous year’s earnings, whichever is greater, in the first year; $1,500 in the second year; $1,500 in the third year and none in the fourth. That compares with two bonuses totaling an average of $6,400 this year in the previous contract offer.
– A pension boost to $81 per year of service next year and $83 per year in 2012, compared with $80 per year of service in the last offer.
– Preservation of existing medical cost structure and benefits through 2012. Boeing had sought changes that would have shifted more of the cost to workers.
– Stronger provisions for the union to bid against subcontractors for work; a revised agreement to protect about 2,200 facilities and maintenance jobs; expanded job protection for an additional 2,920 forklift drivers, environmental control personnel, inventory clerks and other workers, and limits on vendor deliveries to the shop floor.
so I could fast forward through all the B.S. bickering between Nathaniel and bth.
Now THERE is an idea. How about ‘private’ bitch slap threads. If you square off with one other person, you can spawn your own thread. Folks can read as they please, but it doesn’t clog up the main thread.
So howsa bouts it WE Blog?
Let’s speculate even MORE!…he was actually robbing a bank at the time! Yeah..that’s the story..and he ran over 3 (not one) little school girls! Yeah…and, and then he crashed his car into a hospital! Yeah, that’s the story!
and…then he fled and magically escaped before any of the police could catch him. Yeah..that’s the ticket!!
(anyone remember the skit of the ‘compulsive liar’???)
More on “Maverick” McCain:
McCain pushed regulators for land swap, despite pledge
WASHINGTON — Years after he resurrected his political fortunes from the Keating Five savings and loan investigation, John McCain promoted an Arizona land swap that would’ve benefited a former mentor and partner of the scandal’s central figure.
The owners of the Spur Cross Ranch, a dramatic 2,154-acre tract of Sonoran desert just north of Phoenix, in the late 1990s sought to sell it to a developer who planned to build a premier golf course surrounded by 390 luxury homes.
Nearby residents and environmentalists, however, wanted to preserve the area’s unusual cacti, stone formations and hundreds of Hopi Indian tribal artifacts.
After opposition surfaced, the developer sought McCain’s help in forging a land swap with the U.S. Forest Service — a deal that also would benefit the owners of the ranch, including a company controlled by billionaire Carl H. Lindner Jr., an associate of S&L chief Charles H. Keating.
McCain and an aide pushed for the exchange in more than a half dozen sometimes-testy letters and phone calls up and down the Forest Service’s hierarchy, according to former agency officials and correspondence. McCain’s office even circulated draft legislation that would have overridden the agency’s objection to surrendering national forest land. Ultimately, the deal fell apart.
McCain’s behind-the-scenes maneuvering on Spur Cross contrasts with his image as a congressional ethics champion and his pledge — made after the Keating scandal in 1991 sullied his reputation — never to intervene with regulators again.
McCain’s actions, which went on for nearly two years, also appear at odds with boasts in his 2002 book, “Worth the Fighting For,” that he’d never pressured regulators at any time since 1991 and acted only on matters that “serve an obvious public purpose.”
McCain said at the time that his efforts were aimed solely at preserving “one of the most pristine and beautiful desert areas in America.”
In a statement to McClatchy, McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds denied that the Arizona senator had tried to engineer the exchange and said “he certainly did not try to influence the Forest Service on the land-swap proposal.”
Environmentalists contend that McCain seemed to be driven mainly by a desire to “railroad” through a deal benefiting Arizona real-estate developer John Lang and the 70 percent owner of Spur Cross, Lindner’s Cincinnati-based Great American Insurance Co.
Some six years after the Senate hearings on the conduct of the Keating Five, Lang and his Pinnacle Group signed a contract to purchase the Spur Cross Ranch.
When he encountered opposition, Lang made a pitch to the Forest Service about swapping Spur Cross for 1,700 acres in the Tonto National Forest, just outside the northern boundary of the affluent community of Scottsdale. When the forest supervisor turned him down, Lang said, he contacted McCain for help.
The sale to Lang appeared to hang on whether a swap for the Tonto tract could be negotiated and whether Scottsdale would agree to annex the newly privatized land. A quickly executed land exchange would have enabled the ranch owners to unload the property before opposition from conservationists depressed its development value.
Bounds said that the senator insisted that all stakeholders agree on any exchange, which gave the Forest Service “an effective veto of the proposal.”
However, Eleanor Towns, the Forest Service’s southwest regional chief, said in an interview that she was never told the agency could veto the deal and that the Forest Service was left out of most of the discussions.
Bounds, McCain’s spokesman, said that the proposed land exchange “was instigated by the adjacent towns of Care Free and Cave Creek and the Hopi Tribe,” not by Lang or the landowners.
A spokeswoman for Lindner’s Great American Insurance, Anne Watson, said the company never sought McCain’s aid and preferred an outright sale to a developer “to maximize the return on our investment.”
One of the federal regulators pressured by the Keating Five, William Black, now says that McCain never should’ve acted to benefit Lindner and instead “should have invoked the 100-foot-pole rule, not the 10-foot-pole rule.”
Federal Election Commission records show that in the three years beginning in mid-1997, McCain’s Senate campaign and his 2000 presidential campaign received more than $9,000 from Lindner, developer Lang and other backers of the deal. Several donations were made in close proximity to his Forest Service letters. His committees also got more than $25,000 from members of lobbying firms representing Great American’s parent, the American Financial Group, on various issues.
This year, the 89-year-old Lindner and his son, Carl H. Lindner III, have raised more than $300,000 for McCain’s presidential campaign.
Bounds said any suggestion that he was otherwise motivated is “without basis in fact” and called the campaign donations “irrelevant.”
After extensive hearings into the Keating Five affair, the Senate ethics committee cleared McCain of rules violations, but said that he showed “poor judgment” in leaning on the regulators to ease curbs on speculative investments by Keating’s S&L. McCain had accepted $112,000 in campaign donations from Keating and his associates and went on family vacations to Keating’s Bahamas hideaway.
When the S&L collapsed, it cost taxpayers more than $3 billion.
In 1979, the Securities and Exchange Commission accused Lindner and Keating of defrauding shareholders by diverting assets in a Cincinnati banking and leasing operation to their personal use. The two men signed a court consent order in which Lindner agreed to repay the firm $1.4 million.
Black, the former thrift regulator who’s now a University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor, said that McCain should’ve gone to great lengths to avoid “getting anywhere near people associated with Keating,” including Lindner.
Correspondence obtained by McClatchy and interviews with former Forest Service officials show that McCain not only explored a three-way swap involving state and federal land, but also sought support for the federal Land and Water Conservation Fund to buy Spur Cross.
Forest Service Chief Mike Dombeck and his underlings objected both to surrendering lands in the Tonto forest, which bordered the ranch, and to managing a large Spur Cross park in Maricopa County. They said the ranch would rate as a low priority for the Conservation Fund.
Towns said that, while she was still head of the Forest Service’s national real-estate office in early 1998, Lang and Scottsdale Mayor Samantha Campana stopped by her office and raised the idea of a swap. Assuming her new job a short time later, she said, she mentioned Lang’s visit in an introductory chat with McCain, who told her to use her “best professional judgment” in considering trading forestlands for Spur Cross.
But Towns said that after she took over the regional post in the spring of 1998, McCain aide Deb Gullett phoned her several times to press for an exchange.
“She was aggressive, she was at times rude and she was hell bent on getting that land exchange done,” said Towns, who’s now retired. “She said, ‘The senator wants this land exchange done.’”
Hearing those words, Towns said, she told Gullett of McCain’s instruction to use her best judgment, said that if he intended otherwise he should phone himself and slammed down the phone.
Bounds said that McCain “cannot be called to account” based on Towns’ recollection of a conversation in which he had no part.
Attempts to reach Gullett, wife of a former top McCain aide, were unsuccessful.
In the summer of 1998, McCain sent letters asking the Arizona Land Trust and the U.S. General Services Administration to identify properties that could be swapped.
His office also circulated draft legislation that would’ve forced the Forest Service to yield unspecified lands in a complicated exchange that would bypass the usual environmental impact study.
Jack Fraser, a leading conservationist who since has died, later said in a letter to McCain that his draft bill “was a sweetheart deal for the developer but . . . would have been a nightmare for the public interest.”
Carla, a former staffer for the McDowell Sonoran Conservancy who formally dropped her last name after a divorce, said nearly every conservation organization, as well as Indian tribes, opposed the exchange. She said they feared the swap “would have set a precedent for opening up land in the Tonto National Forest” to development.
“It was conveyed very clearly to us that our opposition had made McCain furious,” she said.
When Scottsdale’s City Council voted against the deal, McCain backed away.
After the Arizona land swap died, McCain sent a letter to Forest Service Chief Dombeck accusing Towns and two lower-level agency officials of disseminating “erroneous” information that helped derail the exchange proposals, and questioning whether their conduct complied with agency rules.
Forest Service officials interpreted the letter as a request for disciplinary action, but Bounds said it “simply expressed disapproval” about the employees’ conduct.
Dombeck, now a University of Wisconsin faculty member, said he took no action and called Towns “an absolute top-notch regional forester” whom he “would never consider any sort of disciplinary action against.”
As for Spur Cross, the state of Arizona, Maricopa County and the town of Cave Creek agreed in 2000 to buy the ranch for $21 million. McCain had no role in the sale.
Two former Keating lawyers whom federal regulators accused of improprieties in the S&L scandal helped negotiate the sale — Gary Birnbaum, serving as the town council for Cave Creek, and Great American lawyer Robert Kielty, who had joined McCain on trips to the Bahamas.
Spur Cross is now a county park.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/254/story/54851.html
Did I read correctly upthread? The ‘pastor’ of the church of hate, intolerance and bigotry is changing his ways?
Right. Will believe THAT one when I see it….
Why do Demorats love terrorists?
Bill Clinton: Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg were pardoned. Weather Underground members, they were imprisoned on weapons and explosives charges.
“bth
Posted October 28, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink
More on “Maverick” McCain:”
A link would be sufficient of your copy and paste is more than a few paragraphs.
the Ones Polital Machine. Corrupt.
How do we know that Chicago’s so corrupt? The most straightforward way to measure corruption is to check the number of convicted local officials. Between 1995 and 2004, 469 politicians from the federal district of Northern Illinois were found guilty of corruption.
Hummmmmmmmm…
nice place.
don’t suppose the One knew any of these do ya?
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SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 12:57 pm | Permalink
And wouldn’t a “pre-beta” release be an “alpha” release?
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Alpha testing is usually done in house. Beta and its various forms are for public or invited public evaluation.
Pre-beta is a term also used in science and engineering.
It means that the testing is out of the lab and is available for common testing, but not yet to standards for thorough evaluation, because it may not include all the modules/components.
President Clinton agreed to commute the sentences of 16 members of a Puerto Rican nationalist group that was involved in more than 100 bombings of political and military installations in the United States at least 15 years ago.
Between 1974 and 1983, law-enforcement officials attributed at least 130 bombings to the FALN and branded it a terrorist organization. It killed six people and wounded scores more.
It was other Puerto Rican nationalists who were convicted of storming the United States House of Representatives in 1954 and wounding five lawmakers. Former President Jimmy Carter pardoned four of those nationalists in 1977 and 1979. He also pardoned a fifth who had been convicted of plotting to kill President Harry S. Truman in 1950.
“Brooks seems to be either saying that we need better bullsh*t detectors, or that we’re doomed.”
outlander,
That summary would suggest to me that you DID understand what he was saying. At the heart of the message is that by extension free markets may not be the answer for everything.
Brooks is either 1) having a midlife crisis, or 2) the liberalism of the NY Times editorial staff is rubbing off on him, or possibly both.
As the felonious Congressman from Alaska demonstrates.. corruption is a human failing, not that of a particular political persuasion.
And you can hardly fault an entire city!
You paint with broad and sloppy brush, b.
DavidBS- And you can hardly fault an entire city!
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Yeah, 469 from one area in a nine year span, isn’t a fair comparison to 11 in an entire state 10 years.
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Did the One have any thing to do with helping to convict these 469? hint: he had dealings with MANY of these 469…..
Palin is noted for helping to clean the corruption in her state.
Maybe Senator Obama did just seem to “come out of nowhere,” nationally, but that is often the way great leaders arise from obscurity.
Sometimes the right man is ready at the right time. The time is now and Barak Obama is the man for our time.
I am proud to have voted for Barak Obama and Senator Biden yesterday.
Maybe Senator Obama did just seem to “come out of nowhere,” nationally, but that is often the way great leaders arise from obscurity.
Sometimes the right man is ready at the right time. The time is now and Barak Obama is the man for our time.
I am proud to have voted for Barak Obama and Senator Biden yesterday.
I wonder how well known JFK was in January 1960?
Obama is no JFK.
Sigh, knowing that b will not read it even if I research it for him…
The BuzzFlash Editor’s Blog
By Mark Karlin, Editor and Publisher
September 23rd
Chicago, Illinois
Due to a personal phone call from Barack Obama, the Illinois Senate joined the Illinois House in overriding the current governor’s veto of an ethics bill that goes a long way toward ending “pay to play” politics in the Land of Lincoln.
Without Obama’s directive to outgoing Senate State President Emil Jones, the bill was likely to die. But as a result of Obama’s intervention, on Monday, September 22, it was overriden by 55-0.
In the 110th Congress, Obama worked with Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) to introduce legislation described as the “gold standard for reform”. He then worked with the Senate Leadership to craft strong ethics reform legislation to help restore the public trust in the institution.
The final package included the following provisions that Obama and Feingold advocated through their legislation that became part of the final package that passed last night…
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070119-obama_applauds_1/
bth
Posted October 28, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Permalink
I wonder how well known JFK was in January 1960?
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13 years in the House and Senate.
DavidBS- In the 110th Congress, Obama…
last 6 months, missed more than 100 votes.
–On the Cloture Motion S. 403
A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions. Cloture Motion Rejected (57-42, 3/5 majority required) Nay
–On the Cloture Motion H.R. 6061
A bill to establish operational control over the international land and maritime borders of the United States. Cloture Motion Agreed to (71-28, 3/5 majority required) Nay
–On the Amendment S.Amdt. 5181 to S. 3709 (United States-India Peaceful Atomic Energy Cooperation Act)
To ensure that IAEA inspection equipment is not used for espionage purposes. Amendment Rejected (27-71) Nay
–On Passage of the Bill H.R. 5684
A bill to implement the United States-Oman Free Trade Agreement. Bill Passed (62-32) Yea
–On Passage of the Bill S. 3711
A bill to enhance the energy independence and security of the United States by providing for exploration, development, and production activities for mineral resources in the Gulf of Mexico, and for other purposes. Bill Passed (71-25) Nay
–On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4683 to S. 728 (Water Resources Development Act of 2005)
To modify a section relating to a fiscal transparency and prioritization report. Amendment Rejected (43-56) Nay
–On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4442 to S. 2766 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007)
To require the redeployment of United States Armed Forces from Iraq in order to further a political solution in Iraq, encourage the people of Iraq to provide for their own security, and achieve victory in the war on terror. Amendment Rejected (13-86) Nay
–On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4376 to S. 2766 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007)
To promote job creation and small business preservation in the adjustment of the Federal minimum wage. Amendment Rejected (45-53) Nay
he’s an idiot.
‘McCain Leads! (In Missed Votes)‘
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/05/mccain_leads_in_missed_votes.html
‘McCain, The Most Absent Member Of The Senate, Blasts Congress For Taking A Week Off‘
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/08/mccain-congress/
Cosmos, what’s the word on the streets about GW these days?
Anti,
It is GC, caused of course by CO2.
SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink
Anti,
It is GC, caused of course by CO2.
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So I should finally order that Burton Snowboard with the Playboy model on it?
Ben,
Nice mixing of sources there. I would hardly claim that the “electronic intifida” is a reliable source. You merely claim that our allies were bhind it and we did nothing.
Then you try to support your claim by quoting a report that says that Israel was “inderectly” responsible because they didn’t do enough to preven the acts or forsee them.
That doesn’t support your repeated claims that our allies did it.
Admitting that our Marines were off shore is a step, but you still try to weasel your way out of admitting you were wrong by saying they still did nothing.
The simple truth is that the Marines were not there as you claimed. They did not simply stand by and do nothing as you claimed. They were not there. They had been withdrawn.
You claimed they stood by and did nothing.
Why is it so hard for you to admit you were wrong?
This is why I call you a sorry POS. Because you routinely make these claims against our military and never back them up and when proven wrong still refuse to do so.
You still have not answered the other question.
Do you believe that the attack which killed over 200 Marines was a legitimate military attack and not a terrorist attack?
Yes or No.
This is why you are a cowardly POS.
You have repeatedly made the case that they were a legitimate military target yet you refuse to actually stand by your argument and tell us if you actually believe it or not.
So do you? Were the over 200 Marines killed a legitimate military target which were attacked legitimately and not by a terrorist. Was it or was it not a terrorist attack?
Get 2
SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 2:45 pm | Permalink
Get 2
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Thanks for the GC/GW update. I’m stoked.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1027.html
“John McCain is making no progress in his pursuit of the White House. Our model now projects Barack Obama to win 351 electoral votes to John McCain’s 187, and to win the Electoral College 96.7 percent of the time to McCain’s 3.3 percent. Both numbers are unchanged from yesterday.”
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Theme #1. If the national polls are tightening, there is no evidence of it in the state numbers.
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Theme #2. Obama has begun to run up the score in some non-battlegrounds.
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Theme #3. We are approaching a pollster consensus in some battlegrounds.”
Details at link.
Anti,
We’re slated for freakin SNOW tonight. Sure could use some global warming bout now.
Cosmos, do you have any predictions on the amount of snow pack this season in the Rockies? Or a link to a graph?
SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
Anti,
We’re slated for freakin SNOW tonight. Sure could use some global warming bout now.
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Burning tires is a great way to generate heat. (It’s an old Navajo trick)
“biased1
Posted October 28, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
–On the Cloture Motion S. 403…
he’s an idiot”
For comparison:
On the Cloture Motion S. 403
Cloture Motion Rejected (57-42) Obama Nay McCain (R-AZ), Yea
–On the Cloture Motion H.R. 6061
Cloture Motion Agreed to (71-28) Obama Nay McCain (R-AZ), Yea
(Note that McCain and Obama both voted ‘YEA’ one day later on the actual passage of the bill)
–On the Amendment S.Amdt. 5181 to S. 3709
Amendment Rejected (27-71) Obama Nay McCain (R-AZ), Nay
–On Passage of the Bill H.R. 5684
Bill Passed (62-32) Obama Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea
–On Passage of the Bill S. 3711
Bill Passed (71-25) Obama Nay McCain (R-AZ), Yea
–On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4683 to S. 728
Amendment Rejected (43-56) Obama Nay McCain (R-AZ), Nay
–On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4442 to S. 2766
Amendment Rejected (13-86) Obama Nay McCain (R-AZ), Nay
–On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4376 to S. 2766
Amendment Rejected (45-53) Obama Nay McCain (R-AZ), Yea
cosmos_originally
Posted October 28, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
[snip]
“Our model now projects …”
[snip]
Ever notice how every model cosmos produces is horribly wrong?
But did you look at the graphs, Sol? It’s all in the graphs….
Ever notice how every model cosmos produces is horribly wrong?
Ever notice how Sol has no understanding how the progression of scientific knowledge works?
We’re slated for freakin SNOW tonight. Sure could use some global warming bout now.
Why? Do want more snow?? Or are you one of the utter imbeciles who believes that “global warming” means that everything gets hot!?
born_in_the_cosmos-
Theme #1. If the national polls are tightening, there is no evidence of it in the state numbers.
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Theme #1. As soon as the national polls tighten, shift all focus to the State numbers….
there, fixed it.
Or are you one of the utter imbeciles who believes that “global warming” means that everything gets hot!?
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That’s funny, I don’t care who you are!!
Global warming does not mean global warming….except if it does….but if it doesn’t, it is still global warming!
Nathaniel,
Aren’t you glad that you live in a country that has a $400+ billion budget for bombs, cruise missles, military uniforms, etc.
Rage
Posted October 28, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
We’re slated for freakin SNOW tonight. Sure could use some global warming bout now.
Why? Do want more snow?? Or are you one of the utter imbeciles who believes that “global warming” means that everything gets hot!?
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I think he might be one of the “utter imbeciles” that believes “global warming” means every thing gets cold, everything gets wet, everything gets snow, everything gets dry, everything gets windy, everything melts, everything else freezes, test scores go down, rich get richer, more wars, more poverty, higher gas prices, more wildlife dies, less jobs, people die younger, people get sicker, more people smoke, more car accidents…..
Did I leave anything out??
oh yeah, more sheeple…
bahhhhhh…..
bahhhhhh…..
Algore said I should be off shore fishing from my back yard by now, but my lure keeps getting snagged on the neighbor’s dog.
Global warming does not mean global warming….except if it does….but if it doesn’t, it is still global warming!
LMFAO.
Yup, you nailed it !!!
Vote Republican — it’s easier than thinking.
‘McCain gains backing of Joe the Plumber’
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD943M2281
“McCain points to Wurzelbacher as an example of the middle-class worker who would be hurt economically by an Obama presidency, However, Wurzelbacher likely would fare better under Obama’s tax plan because it calls for no tax increase for working couples earning less than $250,000 a year — Wurzelbacher himself earns far less — and provides for a middle-class tax cut.
…
When a McCain supporter asked him if he believed “a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel,” Wurzelbacher replied, “I’ll go ahead and agree with you on that.” “
The indians (feather, not dot) predict we’re going to have a long, cold winter.
They can tell by how high the white man stacks firewood next to his cabin.
in_the_cosmos- Aren’t you glad that you live in a country that has a $400+ billion budget for bombs, cruise missles, military uniforms, etc.
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That is just about what we spend on educating the ‘tards, and free lunch programs, what’s your point?
HLP
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink
Has that been peer reviewed by the IPCC?
No?
Should be about accurate them.
“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully,” the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, “Dreams From My Father.” “The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/
in_the_cosmos_originally
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
Vote Republican — it’s easier than thinking.
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Vote Democrat – it’s easier than working!
(let Joe work his a$$ off!)
Obama’s interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called “the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union.”
Hey ANTI, get a Gobbler?
Redistribution of wealth?
Thomas Jefferson (who most would admit was a very bright man):
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
GLENN: I tell you, I feel fired up myself. I feel fired up with the — I think America is finally addressing who Barack Obama really, truly is. This man is frightening with the tapes that have come out recently of him espousing Marxist ideas and talking about how the Constitution really needs to be changed.
SENATOR McCAIN: It’s remarkable some of the things that he said, and I’ve got to — listen, if there’s one man that I’m grateful to in America today, it’s Joe the plumber was standing out in his driveway.
GLENN: Oh, boy.
SENATOR McCAIN: Obama came through the neighborhood. I can’t tell you the number of signs, Rose the florist, Ralph the landscaper, now all of these people show up carrying their signs. But it really is. It’s the classic left liberal redistribution of the wealth. I mean, that’s all it is. I mean, everybody’s the — yeah.
GLENN: Do you really think it is only that? I mean, this is so far beyond Ted Kennedy. When you have in 2001 Barack Obama saying that the Supreme Court, “Didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution when it comes to redistribution of wealth,” we’re not talking about the typical liberal. This is way beyond.
SENATOR McCAIN: Oh, yeah. It’s very, very left. Very, very left. But, of course, that’s why he’s the most liberal senator in the Senate. That’s why you continue — that’s why he opposed and won the filibuster, Alito and Roberts. I mean, every indication of his record is from the far left and again, it’s scary — no, it’s not scary. It’s just disturbing. Let me add nothing is scary in this world because I believe in America and I believe the fundamentals of America is, you know, that Americans will put checks and balances on anybody, but it is very, very disturbing to see that he has these kinds of views which have been tried in other countries and failed.
GLENN: Okay, let me be frightened for you. I have to tell you, Senator McCain, in my business I have never seen anything like what this media has done to you, your campaign, Sarah Palin, and allowed Barack Obama and Joe Biden to get away with. There was a serious reporter. She was an assistant to Peter Jennings. Barbara West in Orlando, she asked a serious question. They have blackballed her. I am wildly concerned about the Fairness Doctrine coming back in and our freedom of speech being crushed. How is that not a frightening idea?
SENATOR McCAIN: Well, if you re — try to reinstate this Fairness Doctrine, it will kill Glenn Beck, it will kill every program that has any controversy associated with it. Willing there’s no doubt about that. But how about this card check thing where he supports that a union organizer can come to a person’s home and say, hey, I want to sign you up to a union, right, okay? They are going to take away the secret ballot for people as far as where they want to join unions. This is a far left agenda that’s being pursued and so as far as the media’s concerned, I think what was terrible is them pulling their ads. If you don’t ask the right questions, we’ll pull our ads and we’ll deprive you of revenues. That’s a remarkable problem.
GLENN: There’s a story in The Wall Street Journal today about the labor unions. One study shows that the policies of the new deal extended the Great Depression. The other article today is about the Supreme Court. They decided in April of ‘36 to extend the Wagner Act which was pro union. They say that it went into another Depression within a Depression. The job levels went plummeting, started to disappear, unemployment moved back to 1931 levels. With this card check this is going to totally change the foundations of business and drive business into the ground, and Obama said in 2006, quote, “I owe these unions.” He said this in the “Audacity of Hope”. “When their leaders call, I will do my best to call them right away. I don’t consider this corrupting in any way.”
SENATOR McCAIN: Well, he’s been frank about that and it’s too bad that we haven’t seen more of the actual facts. And again I have seen, especially on judges, Senator Obama take the most extreme positions and that, of course, as you say, Supreme Court decisions matter. The nominations are probably one of the most important parts of any presidency, and you tell me why Justice Alito and Justice Roberts should have been filibustered. And I’ve got to tell you, Glenn, I voted for Breyer and Ginsburg. I voted for them because President Clinton was elected and they were qualified. Ideologically I didn’t agree with them but they were qualified. And in the case of Roberts and Alito, they were more than qualified and I was enthusiastic in both cases and he wanted to filibuster them on ideological grounds. Do you see what I mean?
GLENN: I do see what you mean. Tell me what you think this means. Yesterday we were listening to the tape of Barack Obama and he was talking about, you know, monetary equity and he was talking about the redistribution of wealth but then he went on. He also had a line, and I didn’t — I said, we’ve got to look into that. We looked into it overnight. He also said about justice in the courtroom needs to be looked at. He said in 2007 at a conference of Planned Parenthood, “We need someone who’s got the heart, the empathy to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old, and that’s the criteria by which I’ll be selecting my judges.” Will justice be no longer blind?
SENATOR McCAIN: You know, again that’s so disturbing. We should have justices that judge, only render their decisions based on one principle alone and that principle and no other and that is the Constitution of the United States of America and that’s what our founding fathers had in mind, and the whole basis of our philosophy of government is that we have empathy for all of our citizens. Our judges should interpret the Constitution of the United States strictly and that’s — when they haven’t, that’s when we’ve gotten in trouble. You cited cases back in the Thirties. I can cite you cases far more recently than that, my friend.
GLENN: Senator McCain, I hear people actually write me, say to me — I have a sister who said to me, “You know what, what’s the big deal with socialism. So what. He’s socialist. Why is that bad.” Could you please explain why socialism is bad?
SENATOR McCAIN: It doesn’t work, number one. It’s been tried many times. Second of all, redistributing the wealth creates disincentives to entrepreneurship, capitalism, small business, free enterprise. If people know that their hard earned — the fruits of their hard earned labor are going to be taken from them and given to others, then they are obviously going to have disincentives to work. The fundamentals of the free enterprise system is that less government is the best government. Now, there are times for government, in emergencies, in wars and, you know, many other areas where we can interpret it, but the fact is that government should let free enterprise, small business and capitalism function and, of course, it has to be — has to have regulation. Of course there has to be transparency. Of course Teddy Roosevelt was right where he said unbridled capitalism leads to corruption. But let’s not take people’s hard earned money that they worked to save and pass on to their children or build their businesses, let’s not take it away from them and give it to others. That’s — socialism is antithetical to progress and job creation and wealth, progress for all of society.
GLENN: If Teddy Roosevelt was right, then wouldn’t those who were involved in corruption, shouldn’t they go to jail?
SENATOR McCAIN: Yes, yes.
GLENN: Okay. So really all you need is a law, or in our case right now shouldn’t the people that were engaged in nefarious — look, let me be real honest with you. Aren’t the bigger culprits or at least the same size of culprits not just in Wall Street but also in Washington D.C., isn’t Barney Frank, isn’t Dodd also responsible for what we’re going through right now in this kind of justice, if you will, that they wanted to serve by helping people, you know, get houses that they couldn’t afford and expanding and expanding and expanding?
SENATOR McCAIN: Absolutely. And they need to be held accountable and I hope on November 4th would be the first time, although given the districts and states they represent, that’s going to be hard. But over time there should be hearings and there should be investigations and there should be accountability. And again, I am not a libertarian, Glenn. I believe there’s a role for government. I believe our regulatory agencies need to be strengthened and consolidated and we need transparency and we need all of those things. And we need accountability. But to say that you’re going to take money from one group of Americans who have worked hard all their lives and saved and invested and done the things that we want everybody to do and taken and give it to another group of Americans is wrong, and it’s harmful and it will damage our future and that’s really the huge difference right now between myself and Senator Obama, and I think the American people are beginning to figure that out.
GLENN: Senator McCain, I hope this is — this may be, because of the election, the last time that we speak. I hope this is not the last time we speak, sir.
SENATOR McCAIN: We’ll be talking, my friend. You’re too colorful.
GLENN: You know, you always say something — I think he just slammed me. I think he just slammed me.
SENATOR McCAIN: No. You generate debate and discussion in America, and we need it. We need debate and discussion, whether you and I or others disagree, we need healthy, respectful debate and that’s what you generate in America, Glenn, and I’m proud of ya.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/17380/
According to the indians, (feather, not dot) burning wood for fuel is carbon neutral. WOod can only release carbon into the atmosphere that it previously cleaned from the atmosphere.
This information was from the IPCC. (Indians Provide Carbon Credits)
Hey ANTI, get a Gobbler?
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Not yet. But soon my friend, soon. I have a group located and their schedule noted. An arrow will be release within days….
Glenn Beck: L.A. Times Holding Damaging Obama Video
GLENN: I’m not surprised by this story. I’ve been watching Khalidi for a while and thinking to myself, when is this thing ever going to break, and you are bringing it. Tell us about the tape that the Los Angeles Times has.
McCARTHY: Well, in 2003 there was a farewell party for Rasheed Khalidi. He was leaving the University of Chicago to go to Columbia here in the New York area.
GLENN: Who is he so people know?
McCARTHY: Exactly. He was a spokesman for the PLO during the Arafat days and also was an advisor to Arafat during the peace negotiations.
GLENN: Well, that doesn’t mean, that doesn’t — well, he was an advisor during the peace negotiations. That doesn’t mean that he’s a bad guy.
McCARTHY: Well, if you get peace negotiations by sort of bombing your way to the table, I think that needs to be factored in. In any event he’s a longtime admirer of both the ideology and methodology of Yasser Arafat. His wife Mona was the top English translator in Arafat’s publicity department at the PLO and together they put together something called the Arab American Action Network which when Barack Obama and Bill Ayers teamed you be to be on the board at the Woods Foundation, they underwrote that organization, the Arab American Action Network to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/17382/
This information was from the IPCC. (Indians Provide Carbon Credits)
LMFAO !!!!!
This information was from the IPCC. (Indians Provide Carbon Credits)
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I love those shirtless bastards!
ANTI
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink
Hey ANTI, get a Gobbler?
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Not yet. But soon my friend, soon. I have a group located and their schedule noted. An arrow will be release within days….
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Let me know if you need more fire power, we wouldn’t want those commie ba$terds overpopulatin’
You get too many around, and they’re just like demorats, crappin’ all over your driveway lookin’ for a handout.
You get too many around, and they’re just like demorats, crappin’ all over your driveway lookin’ for a handout.
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Tru dat homes!
and here I thought IPCC stood for Indians Provide Citizenship Certificates…
You get too many around, and they’re just like demorats, crappin’ all over your driveway lookin’ for a handout.
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Yeah, and they have beards, are fat, don’t wear shoes, and they smell like corn dogs!! Just like democrats!
Arrows? How in the hell do you get them to fire out of an 870?
HLP
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink
Arrows? How in the hell do you get them to fire out of an 870?
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Put more than one in the pipe.
ANTI- Yeah, and they have beards, are fat, don’t wear shoes, and they smell like corn dogs!! Just like democrats!
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corn dogs…
too funny…
ANTI- Put more than one in the pipe.
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3- 2019s in a modified. I prefer to tip with kolpins…
Yup, you nailed it !!!
C’mon, you can’t be serious! No one with common sense could really believe that “everything gets hot.” When solar radiation enters the atmosphere, complex dynamics take place.
Ever heat something in a microwave oven, and find the outside is hot and the inside still frozen? That’s just an analogy, of course, but when the Earth receives more solar radiation, it’s obvious, as the Earth rotates, the atmosphere swirls, pressure gradients increase and decrease, that will not have all the same weeather, everywhere, all the time. Add to that land masses, structures, living organisms and, yes, greenhouse gasses, and things get complicated. Everything will not get hot.
In fact, we’d be a hell of a lot better off if that simple-minded view was reality. A net increase of 4-5 degrees in temperature, globally, that had no effect on weather patterns, would be nothing to get excited.
Unfortunately, that’s not reality. In a way, the term “global warming” is a misnomer; it’s more useful to think of it as more energy in the system.
“biased1
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink
in_the_cosmos- Aren’t you glad that you live in a country that has a $400+ billion budget for bombs, cruise missles, military uniforms, etc.
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That is just about what we spend on educating the ‘tards, and free lunch programs, what’s your point?”
Not even close.
The 2008 Dept of Defense budget was $481.4 billion.
The 2008 Dept of Education budget was $56.0 billion.
You know, it is pretty easy to google stuff rather than making it up and looking stupid.
Everything will not get hot.
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Oh, thank God!!
biased1 posted October 28, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Vote Democrat – it’s easier than working!
(let Joe work his a$$ off!)
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Vote Republic — make Joe give MORE of his hard-earned money to the government, so that wealthy Americans can give LESS.
You know, it is pretty easy to google stuff rather than making it up and looking stupid.
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Add State budgets
nit.
Well, I am out for a while.
born_in_the_cosmos_originally
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
biased1 posted October 28, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Vote Democrat – it’s easier than working!
(let Joe work his a$$ off!)
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Vote Republic — make Joe give MORE of his hard-earned money to the government, so that wealthy Americans can give LESS.
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Vote Democrat — make Joe give MORE of his hard-earned money to the government, so that the lazy ba$terds that don’t pay taxes can get a rebate.
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Raptor
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink
and here I thought IPCC stood for Indians Provide Citizenship Certificates…
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Different tribe.
2008 HHS Budget, 683 Billion
brains_never-
here is a
hint: Excluding expenditures on school facilities, the ratio of current operating expenditures on the typical special education student is 2.08 times that expended on the typical regular education student with no special needs.
hint: Label as many kids as possible as “special needs” and you get more money to waste…..
Here’s a nice way to explain the Obama (and democrat) theory of taxation and wealth.
Tonight, my wife and I are going out to a nice dinner at a fabulous local steakhouse. I suspect the event will result run about $100 before tip.
When the time comes to pay the bill, I plan on telling my waiter: “I hope you don’t mind, but instead of giving you this $20 tip, I’m going to give it to someone who really needs it. After all, you’re doing ok – you have a job, a nice uniform to wear, decent shoes. I’m sure I can find a homeless man who’ll put this $20 to better use. Compared to him, you’re rich!”
“biased1
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
You know, it is pretty easy to google stuff rather than making it up and looking stupid.
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Add State budgets
nit.”
I dare you to do that
“biased1
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
brains_never-
here is a
hint: Excluding expenditures on school facilities, the ratio of current operating expenditures on the typical special education student is 2.08 times that expended on the typical regular education student with no special needs.”
that another of your made up facts or do you have a source?
ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be
nice, but from the looks of public housing, we’re just not interested in
public health care.
Right!!! If a person gets sick and can’t afford health care, we’ll just kick ‘em to the curb and go on with our self-righteous living. It’s not our fault if they can’t cut it.
Grateful_Dave
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:05 pm | Permalink
ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be
nice, but from the looks of public housing, we’re just not interested in
public health care.
Right!!! If a person gets sick and can’t afford health care, we’ll just kick ‘em to the curb and go on with our self-righteous living. It’s not our fault if they can’t cut it.
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Nah too cruel, send them to Daves house, he will pay the bill.
“brian_nuevo
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
“biased1
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:20 pm | Permalink
in_the_cosmos- Aren’t you glad that you live in a country that has a $400+ billion budget for bombs, cruise missles, military uniforms, etc.
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That is just about what we spend on educating the ‘tards, and free lunch programs, what’s your point?”
Not even close.
The 2008 Dept of Defense budget was $481.4 billion.
The 2008 Dept of Education budget was $56.0 billion.
You know, it is pretty easy to google stuff rather than making it up and looking stupid.”
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Since States and local school districts account for the majority of funding for education, unlike defense, let’s throw them in to.
http://www.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/edlite-chart.html#2
for 2004, 2005 education spending was 536 billion dollars.
I have no knowledge concerning the average expenditures on special ed vs. regular ed students.From looking at the USD 259 expenditures on special ed, I’d venture that the average in the local district is greater than 2.08 to 1.
And, from what I am able to discern, 259 is doing what it can to limit classification of students as “special ed”. Something to do with the costs and the scarcity of appropriately certificated teachers. So, it would seem that classification of more students as special ed students is not a financial bonanza.
I can pretty much guarantee ya goofnut.
They spit in your food. I did when I worked in a restaurant.
Here’s hoping you choke on your meal!
“BlueJay
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink
I can pretty much guarantee ya goofnut.
They spit in your food. I did when I worked in a restaurant.
Here’s hoping you choke on your meal!”
Nice. No other comment needed.
biased1 posted October 28, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Vote Democrat — make Joe give MORE of his hard-earned money to the government, so that the lazy ba$terds that don’t pay taxes can get a rebate.
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biased1,
You need to take extensive remedial English classes.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD943M2281
“However, Wurzelbacher likely would fare better under Obama’s tax plan because it calls for no tax increase for working couples earning less than $250,000 a year — Wurzelbacher himself earns far less — and provides for a middle-class tax cut.”
“KSGolfnut
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:03 pm ”
thanks for sharing your spam email with us.
http://www.trapshooters.com/cfpages/thread.cfm?threadid=169137&Messages=17
“Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read “Vote Obama, I need the money….”
avtollie- So, it would seem that classification of more students as special ed students is not a financial bonanza.
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May not SEEM that way, but it IS that way. They hire tons of “para” educators each year. Some (many) special eds have 1-1 ratio. And just like any where else, if it wasn’t advantageous or profitable, they wouldn’t be doing it.
“biased1
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:15 pm …
May not SEEM that way, but it IS that way. They hire tons of “para” educators each year. Some (many) special eds have 1-1 ratio. And just like any where else, if it wasn’t advantageous or profitable, they wouldn’t be doing it.”
How is that advantageous to anyone other than the kid they are working with?
Do you think that is some sort of money making scheme schools are using to screw the system?
Nah too cruel, send them to Daves house, he will pay the bill.
Why should I pay the bill? Am I my brother’s keeper? Let ‘em rot in the gutter.
biased1-
I have to disagree about the financial incentive. It is indeed extremely expensive for special education. And extremely man hour intensive. But it is a financial drain on most school districts. The incentive, if you will, is the fact that if a parent has a child identified as a “special needs” child, and they are not accomodated to the parents satisfaction, they are looking at a HUGE lawsuit. In my opinion, that is the incentie. Defensive classifications and spending.
biased1 posted October 28, 2008 at 3:20 pm
in_the_cosmos- Aren’t you glad that you live in a country that has a $400+ billion budget for bombs, cruise missles, military uniforms, etc.
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That is just about what we spend on educating the ‘tards, and free lunch programs, what’s your point?
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The point is obvious — Nathaniel can wear a uniform, and does not have to use car bombs, IED’s, etc.
Well, biased1, as you are no doubt aware, Special Education is required by federal law; thus, it will exist in some form regardless of financial advantage to the district. I am aware from my Site Council membership over the years that the state law on classification has changed, and that has affected the local districts in many ways. I’m also aware that obtaining qualified individuals as teachers in the area is becoming more difficult over time.
On the 1 to 1 para to student ratio, I am without knowledge as to whether there are some or many special ed students in that category.
I will agree to disagree with you on the advantageous or profitable point; I don’t see the compliance with federal mandate as either, particularly where the federal government doesn’t pick up the total cost. From discussions with those more knowledgeable than I, the percentage of cost funded by the feds is somewhere in the 12 to 18% range, leaving the states and local districts the need to make up the balance.
Dear lib Obama supporters,
In 2010, the Bush tax cuts are going to expire. Pelosi and Reid have promised to let that happen. In my little world, that’s the same as a tax increase. What’s the official liberal spin on that.
Now, another thing. Obama has promised me he won’t increase my taxes. (I’m not really rich like little junior believes) Now technically Obama is correct. The super liberal democratic congress will write the legislation to increase my taxes. Will Obama keep his promise and veto the bill?
What’s the DNC spin on that?
Ironically, AGW can cause heavier snowfall events.
Warmer temperatures increase the amount of moisture in the lower atmosphere, which can increase the amount of precipitation.
Hank,
Spin these, “my friend”,
“There’s one big difference between me and the others – I won’t take every last dime of the surplus and spend it on tax cuts that mostly benefit the wealthy.” [McCain campaign commercial, January 2000]
“I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers.” [McCain Senate floor statement, May 21, 2001]
“But when you look at the percentage of the tax cuts that – as the previous tax cuts – that go to the wealthiest Americans, you will find that the bulk of it, again, goes to wealthiest Americans.” [NBC’s “Today,” Jan. 7, 2003]
ronically, AGW can cause heavier snowfall events.
Warmer temperatures increase the amount of moisture in the lower atmosphere, which can increase the amount of precipitation.
. . .which, of course, is why, more than 20 years ago, predictions of the model also included more and stronger hurricanes.
Isn’t it basically useless to argue with people who don’t have a clue even what they’re arguing about?
Damn that socialist McCain!
Some of the banks are using the federal bailout bucks to acquire other banks!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081028/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown
“HLP” shows us his inner “Nathaniel” with a silly naive question –
“In 2010, the Bush tax cuts are going to expire. Pelosi and Reid have promised to let that happen. In my little world, that’s the same as a tax increase. What’s the official liberal spin on that.”
Shrub and the Republic Party-dominated Congress promised the post 9/11 tax cut would expire in 2010. That’s the deal they promised as a stimulus to the post 9/11 economic crisis.
All your whining (now I know where “Nathaniel” gets it) exposes the Republic Party lie.
And for you to characterize it as a tax increase just continues the lie.
And now the CONs say, “You knew we was snakes when you picked us up.”
“Monkeyhawk
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:50 pm | Permalink
…Shrub and the Republic Party-dominated Congress promised the post 9/11 tax cut would expire in 2010. That’s the deal they promised as a stimulus to the post 9/11 economic crisis.
All your whining … exposes the Republic Party lie.
And for you to characterize it as a tax increase just continues the lie.”
That is how politics works. The party in power passes something with a sunset clause so it expires when they project the other party to be in power. Then if the other party lets it expire, that party takes the blame for it, if it is extended it is a bipartisan effort.
“HLP
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
Dear lib Obama supporters,
In 2010, the Bush tax cuts are going to expire. Pelosi and Reid have promised to let that happen. In my little world, that’s the same as a tax increase. What’s the official liberal spin on that.
Now, another thing. Obama has promised me he won’t increase my taxes. (I’m not really rich like little junior believes) Now technically Obama is correct. The super liberal democratic congress will write the legislation to increase my taxes. Will Obama keep his promise and veto the bill?
What’s the DNC spin on that?”
I don’t know what the DNC or liberals say about that, but as a God-fearing fiscal conservative, I say good riddance to the Bush tax cuts.
brian_nuevo posted October 28, 2008 at 4:59 pm
That is how politics works. The party in power passes something with a sunset clause so it expires when they project the other party to be in power. Then if the other party lets it expire, that party takes the blame for it, if it is extended it is a bipartisan effort.
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What’s really pathetic is that McCain is attacking Obama’s plan to end Bush’s temporary tax cuts on the wealthy, even though McCain OPPOSED the tax cuts when they were proposed.
Read McCain’s complaints,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1028/#comment-457833
hehehe
Just as I thought, increasing my taxes is not really a tax increase.
I feel a lot better now!
The thickness of Arctic sea ice “plummeted” last winter, thinning by as much as 1.6ft in some regions, satellite data has revealed.
A study by UK researchers showed that the ice thickness had been fairly constant for the previous five winters.
The team from University College London added that the results provided the first definitive proof that the overall volume of Arctic ice was decreasing.
The findings have been published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7692963.stm
Hank posted October 28, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Just as I thought, increasing my taxes is not really a tax increase.
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I’m impressed. Hank and his wife earn more than $250,000 a year.
Congratulation, Hank, “my friend”.
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Rage
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink
ronically, AGW can cause heavier snowfall events.
Warmer temperatures increase the amount of moisture in the lower atmosphere, which can increase the amount of precipitation.
. . .which, of course, is why, more than 20 years ago, predictions of the model also included more and stronger hurricanes.
Isn’t it basically useless to argue with people who don’t have a clue even what they’re arguing about?
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I understand there was quite a bit of snow in the
“Ice Age.”
:D
Is investment income “work”?
Glenn “I’m not a journalist” Beck
Just another overly opinionated and under informed talking head, from what have seen…
http://www.npr.org/search.php?text=Rasheed+Khalidi
Why don’t you listen to this Middle-East expert instead of cutting and pasting someone else’s words..
Who is John McCain’s adviser for Middle Eastern affairs?
What is the Bush record in Middle East peace?
Rasheed Kaladi, is director of the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago. His name may scare you, but he was born in New York City…
I noticed that Cosmos has been taking his, ahem… expertise, to other subjects. I don’t blame him for diversifying. It is tough to shout about global warming as the planet cools.
Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
Thomas Jefferson
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson.html
Note: I have not verified it via the original source, unlike other Jef quotes I have seen.
But then why listen to a Middle-East scholar when you have Joe the Plumber?
“The Ohio plumber, who has no license and is actually named Samuel Wurzelbacher, spoke at a McCain campaign event in Columbus Monday. A McCain supporter asked if “a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel.” JTP hardly batted an eye.
“I’ll go ahead and agree with you on that,” Wurzelbacher said.”
Experts said the slow digestive system of Republicans makes them a key producer of methane, a potent greenhouse gas that gets far less public attention than carbon dioxide.
In a bid to understand the impact of the wind produced by Republicans on global warming, scientists collected gas from their stomachs in plastic tanks attached to their hynies.
The Argentine researchers discovered methane from Republicans accounts for more than 30 per cent of the country’s total greenhouse emissions.
As one of the world’s biggest Republican producers, Argentina has more than 55 million Republicans grazing in its famed Pampas grasslands.
Guillermo Berra, a researcher at the National Institute of Agricultural Technology, said every Republican produces between 8000 to 1,000 litres of emissions every day.
Methane, which is also released from landfills, coal mines and leaking gas pipes, is 23 times more effective at trapping heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide.
Scientists are now carrying out trials of new diets designed to improve Republicans digestion and hopefully reduce global warming. Silvia Valtorta, of the National Council of Scientific and Technical Investigations, said that by feeding Republicans clover and alfalfa instead of grain “you can reduce methane emissions by 25 percent”.
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JMWalker
Posted October 28, 2008 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
Methane, which is also released from landfills, coal mines and leaking gas pipes, is 23 times more effective at trapping heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide.
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The planet earth has a more effective heat retaining device and it is in great abundance – water vapor. :)
DavidB posted October 28, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Who is John McCain’s adviser for Middle Eastern affairs?
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Maybe it’s Joe ‘whispers in John’s ear’ Lieberman?
‘Senile McCain does not know Shiite Shi’a from Sunni”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfM7z0-Vdg
Obama Affinity to Marxists Dates Back to College Days
Barack Obama shrugs off charges of socialism, but noted in his own memoir that he carefully chose Marxist professors as friends in college.
By Bill Sammon
FOXNews.com
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
German philosopher Karl Marx, author of “The Communist Manifesto,” advocated redistributing wealth in order to achieve a classless society. (AP Photo)
Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.
But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.
Obama’s affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.
“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully,” the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, “Dreams From My Father.” “The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”
Obama’s interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called “the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union.”
After graduating from Columbia in 1983, Obama spent a year working for a consulting firm and then went to work for what he described as “a Ralph Nader offshoot” in Harlem.
“In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia,” Obama wrote in “Dreams,” which he published in 1995. “At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature.”
Obama supporters point out that plenty of Americans flirt with radical ideologies in college, only to join the political mainstream later in life. But Obama, who made a point of noting how “carefully” he chose his friends in college, also chose to launch his political career in the Chicago living room of Ayers, a domestic terrorist who in 2002 proclaimed: “I am a Marxist.”
Also present at that meeting was Ayers’ wife, fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn, who once gave a speech extolling socialism, communism and “Marxism-Leninism.”
Obama has been widely criticized for choosing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an anti-American firebrand, as his pastor. Wright is a purveyor of black liberation theology, which analysts say is based in part on Marxist ideas.
Few political observers go so far as to accuse Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, of being a Marxist. But Republican John McCain has been accusing Obama of espousing socialism ever since the Democrat told an Ohio plumber named Joe earlier this month that he wanted to “spread the wealth around.”
Obama’s running mate, Biden, recently contradicted his boss, saying: “He is not spreading the wealth around.” The remark came as Biden was answering a question from a TV anchor who asked: “How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?”
“Are you joking? Is this a joke? Or is that a real question?” an incredulous Biden shot back. “It’s a ridiculous comparison.”
But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court’s inability to enact “redistribution of wealth” — a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become “Redistributionist-in-Chief.”
Obama has managed to cultivate the image of a political moderate in spite of his consistently liberal voting record. In 2006, he published a second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” that leaves little doubt about his adherence to the left.
“The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact,” Obama wrote in “Audacity.” “Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal.”
National Journal magazine ranked Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate. The publication is far from conservative, employing such journalists as Linda Douglass, who resigned in May to become Obama’s traveling press secretary.
Bill Sammon is the Washington deputy managing editor for FOX News Channel.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/
“cosmos_originally
Posted October 28, 2008 at 5:54 pm | Permalink
DavidB posted October 28, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Who is John McCain’s adviser for Middle Eastern affairs?
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Maybe it’s Joe ‘whispers in John’s ear’ Lieberman?
‘Senile McCain does not know Shiite Shi’a from Sunni”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfM7z0-Vdg”
Do you know the difference? If so, proove it here.
DavidB,
Glenn Beck is a commentator, not a journalist.
The difference being that a journalist is intended NOT to give his opinion, but TO report the news and the facts.
Commentators evaluate the news and give their opinion.
You don’t have to agree with it.
So much for NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, LAT, WE, etc………….
‘The Truth about Barack Obama and Rashid Khalidi’
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/24/KhalidiSmear“Ugly insinuations about Barack Obama’s relationship with a former neighbor and university colleague, Rhashid Khalidi, are completely false.
Barack’s record on Israel is clear: he strongly supports the U.S.-Israel relationship. He believes that our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be to the security of Israel, America’s strongest ally in the Middle East.
Barack and Joe Biden believe strongly in Israel’s right to protect its citizens. They have consistently supported foreign assistance to Israel. They have called for continuing U.S. cooperation with Israel in the development of missile defense systems.”
More on BlueJay the Prophet. :)
When I announced on this blog that I was moving to Arizona (Open thread, 6/23/06), Jay announced “Look out John McCain!”
As it turns out, us new residents are giving the GOP fits, as we tend to be independents and Democrats, and McCain might very well lose his home state!
Jay was more dead-on with that than any of us could have imagined.
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Regular
Posted October 28, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink
The planet earth has a more effective heat retaining device and it is in great abundance – water vapor. :)
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As usual, the right wing cherry picks a joke. Zero sense of humor is their stock and trade (or is it stock in trade?).
“Regular
Posted October 28, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted October 28, 2008 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
Methane, which is also released from landfills, coal mines and leaking gas pipes, is 23 times more effective at trapping heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide.
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The planet earth has a more effective heat retaining device and it is in great abundance – water vapor. :)”
Agree 100%.
Methane credits anyone?
For every flatulation, you pay 50 cents for programs to remove overly liberal mantras exhausting into the air, thus decreasing the tempurature of the planet.
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JMWalker
Posted October 28, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 28, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink
The planet earth has a more effective heat retaining device and it is in great abundance – water vapor. :)
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As usual, the right wing cherry picks a joke. Zero sense of humor is their stock and trade (or is it stock in trade?).
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Naw, you were trying to be funny and you weren’t.
Now this video concerning actual science on cause and effect is funny. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjXzzAMU9Zo
Letter from 2012 in Obama’s America:
http://focusfamaction.edgeboss.net/download/focusfamaction/pdfs/10-22-08_2012letter.pdf
Mayor, Council to Attend Cessna Launch
Date: October 28, 2008
Contact: Communications Team
Phone: (316) 268-4351
Wichita Mayor Carl Brewer and members of the Wichita City Council are expected to attend a Wednesday celebration commemorating the start of construction of the new Wichita Cessna Citation Columbus facility.
The event takes place at 10 a.m., October 29, at the Cessna Customer Center, 1 Cessna Boulevard.
Obama Affinity to Marxists Dates Back to College Days Barack Obama shrugs off charges of socialism, but noted in his own memoir that he
carefully chose Marxist professors as friends in college.
by Bill Sammon
Fox News
Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.
Obama’s affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles. “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully,” the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, “Dreams From My Father.” “The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”
cont’d at:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/
Obama’s Education Groups Funded Controversial Organizations in the ’90s, Tax Returns Show
Barack Obama’s boards gave tens of thousands to ACORN and more than $1 million to racially charged organizations, a study of tax returns shows.
The Annenberg Challenge and the Woods Fund of Chicago funded numerous controversial groups while Barack Obama served on their boards between 1995 and 2002, an analysis of their tax returns shows.
In 2001, when Obama was a part-time director of The Woods Fund of Chicago, it gave $75,000 to ACORN, the voter registration group now under investigation for voter fraud in 12 states.
The Woods Fund also gave $6,000 to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of
Christ, which Obama attended. The reason for the donation to the church is unclear — it
is simply listed as “for special purposes” in the group’s IRS tax form.
It gave a further $60,000 to the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, which was founded and run by Bernardine Dohrn, the wife of domestic terrorist William Ayers and, with her husband, a former member of the 1960s radical group the Weather Underground.
Other controversial donations that year included $50,000 to the Small Schools Network — which was founded by Ayers and run by Michael Klonsky, a friend of Ayers’ and the former chairman of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), an offshoot of the 1960s radical group Students for a Democratic Society — and $40,000 to the Arab American Action Network, which critics have accused of being anti-Semitic.
The Woods Fund did not respond to questions about the funding.
cont’d at:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/obamas-education-groups-funded-controversial-organiations-s-tax-returns/
During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Rashid Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.
A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi’s Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html
Small Schools Network!! TERRIBLE!! SCANDLE!!
http://www.nessn.org
he mission of the CCE Small Schools Network, launched through a generous grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, is to demonstrate the power of small schools in successfully educating our increasingly diverse student population and preparing them for productive future lives in a democratic world. The Network seeks to transform the face of public education to focus on creating small schools which embrace the values of democracy, equity, and personalization.
The Children and Family Justice Center!! AWFULL!!!
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/cfjc/
The Children and Family Justice Center (CFJC) is a comprehensive children’s law center where law students, under the supervision of attorneys and clinical professors, represent young people on matters of delinquency and crime, family violence, school discipline, health and disability, and immigration and asylum. CFJC collaborates with communities and child welfare, educational, mental health and juvenile justice systems to develop fair and effective policies and solutions for reform.
American Quotes Marx >>>>
“German philosopher Karl Marx, author of “The Communist Manifesto,” advocated redistributing wealth in order to achieve a classless society.”
Yep — and that would be Communism… And, American, Communism is NOT Socilaism!! Can you ever get that through your thick gray matter???
Arab American Action Network OH MY GAWD!! AAAArabs!!!
The AAAN works closely with the Illinois Department of Human Services and its case managers to provide interpretation services specifically intended for Arab-American members of the surrounding community who are currently accessing public benefits. The joint goal of the AAAN and the Illinois DHS is to ensure that benefits are received and utilized equally amongst all prospective recipients by ensuring that there are no linguistic or cultural barriers where administration of these benefits are concerned.
Case Management
Approximately 450 families in the community utilize the AAAN for legal assistance, housing advocacy, translation services, counseling, or childcare services. An effort to provide outreach to domestic violence survivors in the area is also a budding initiative.
English As A Second Language (ESL)
In collaboration with Chicago’s Metropolitan Family Services, the Arab American Action Network provides two levels of ESL classes for over 75 women per year on the southwest side of Chicago and the Southwest Suburbs. [2]
Ultimate outrage: Barak Obama associates with people and organizations that HELP REGULAR PEOPLE!!!
We must stop this man!!!!!!!
(Tools!)
“Chas
Posted October 28, 2008 at 6:51 pm | Permalink
American Quotes Marx >>>>
“German philosopher Karl Marx, author of “The Communist Manifesto,” advocated redistributing wealth in order to achieve a classless society.”
Yep — and that would be Communism… And, American, Communism is NOT Socilaism!! Can you ever get that through your thick gray matter???”
How do you know the color of my brain cells?
What part of Barry’s quote don’t you understand?:
““To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully,” the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, “Dreams From My Father.” “The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.””
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMgqCSgNlA4&NR=1
This is about as scary as anything Halloween could offer.
DavidB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 6:45 pm | Permalink
During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Rashid Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.
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Nice try numb nuts, but the goal of the IRI is to spread Democratic ideas, not Marxist ideas like Obama does.
“Founded in 1983, the International Republican Institute (IRI) is an organization, funded by United States government, that conducts international political programs, sometimes labeled ‘democratization programs’.[1]
Initially known as the National Republican Institute for International Affairs, the IRI’s stated mission is to expand what it interprets as freedom throughout the world. Its activities include teaching and assisting with political party and candidate development, good governance practices, civil society development, civic education, women’s and youth leadership development, electoral reform and election monitoring, and political expression in closed societies.”
WIKI
“DavidB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 6:54 pm | Permalink
Ultimate outrage: Barak Obama associates with people and organizations that HELP REGULAR PEOPLE!!!
We must stop this man!!!!!!!
(Tools!)”
Especially the Barry campaign giving $800,000 to Acorn so they can stuff the ballot box.
I think REGULAR might not accept his help. He is a real American!
Naw, but the libs want the Islamatization of America to occur, because that will gain them their wildest dreams of attaining Liberal Radical Extremist Fascism in America.
Thanks for helping me make my point, R!
Regular,
Thank you for helping DavidB make his point. LOL!
The New York scholar Fox is screaming about Obama associating with, had his organization funded by McCain’s organization… not to put too fine a point on it.
Now, let’s review the latest atempts at smears..
Bogus..
Bogus…
Bogus…
Bogus…
And did you see the quote from Gov Palin on how Alaskan’s “collectively” own the resources and distribute the wealth like a little socialist state?
No? YOU WILL!!!!
Naw, but the libs want the Islamatization of America to occur, because that will gain them their wildest dreams of attaining Liberal Radical Extremist Fascism in America.
Oh, yes, secular Western liberals are just dying to live under Sharia law!
A Tom Tommorrow cartoon captured this moment perfectly, but I don’t have time to search the archives.
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DavidB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 7:43 pm | Permalink
Thanks for helping me make my point, R!
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 28, 2008 at 7:53 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Thank you for helping DavidB make his point. LOL!
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His point was bogus.
The effort was to provide paths to Democracy.
Not like the Marxist ideas of Obama.
Has the McCain campaign found their message, yet?
Dick Cheney? Is he still dead?
How’s that lipstick holding up?
Has Fox announced the new “Sarah Palin’s Amerika” TV show yet?
He keeps swinging but he keeps missing….
DavidB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 8:17 pm | Permalink
He keeps swinging but he keeps missing
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That’s because you can’t see the ball, I knocked it over the 500 foot mark, out of the ballpark.
500 foot foul ball…
When is that last time a sitting President was not out stumping for his party’s candidate?
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DavidB
Posted October 28, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink
500 foot foul ball…
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Home run over the center field wall
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American
Posted October 28, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink
Naw, but the libs want the Islamatization of America to occur, because that will gain them their wildest dreams of attaining Liberal Radical Extremist Fascism in America.
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Wow, Islamic Liberal Radical Extremist Fascism. Only a commie pinko, extremist, neo-con, ultra right-wing, moose pie stealing, America hating Republican Nazi could come up with that!!!
Yep, that about says it all.
“Jay was more dead-on with that than any of us could have imagined.”
Aw, that’s not so much me knowing the future as knowing you my friend. Kansas’s loss was Arizona’s gain that deal. We miss you here but it’s good knowing you are in a place where you can make a difference.
And amongst other things, it’s time for me to do what I can.
Jimmuh you could not hit the broad side of a barn if you were standing IN the barn.
Damn, I knew I smelled corn dogs!
Ok, let’s get to it.
I’ll start from the end of the ballot and work my way up.
School bond issue.
I am voting yes.
My son will be done with school by the time the improvements are complete. But that is not the point.
I remember schools without air conditioning when I was growing up. My kids have never had to endure those awful weeks in August trying to get into study while dripping with sweat. THAT is because the last bond issue was approved. Now, it’s my turn to contribute to the next generation of kids in Wichita schools. I cannot understand anyone who votes otherwise. IS there waste? Yes.
But if we have to waste money, let’s waste it on our kids.
It will be a good day when the schools have all they need and the Air Force has to have a bake sale to buy a bomber.
The vote is yes.
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BlueJay
Posted October 28, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink
Jimmuh you could not hit the broad side of a barn if you were standing IN the barn.
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In my hay day, I could power a baseball over the top of the ball park lights.
BlueJay, I don’t give a piss what or who you voted for.
Sheriff
I will vote for Democrat Walt Kuykendall.
How sad for you to have fallen so far Jimmuh.
I can’t imagine why it is you go on.
“In my hay day, I could power a baseball over the top of the ball park lights.”
Thank you, boss:
I had a friend was a big baseball player
back in high school
He could throw that speedball by you
Make you look like a fool boy
Saw him the other night at this roadside bar
I was walking in, he was walking out
We went back inside sat down had a few drinks
but all he kept talking about was
Chorus:
Glory days well they’ll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl’s eye
Glory days, glory days
Well there’s a girl that lives up the block
back in school she could turn all the boy’s heads
Sometimes on a Friday I’ll stop by
and have a few drinks after she put her kids to bed
Her and her husband Bobby well they split up
I guess it’s two years gone by now
We just sit around talking about the old times,
she says when she feels like crying
she starts laughing thinking about
Chorus
My old man worked 20 years on the line
and they let him go
Now everywhere he goes out looking for work
they just tell him that he’s too old
I was 9 nine years old and he was working at the
Metuchen Ford plant assembly line
Now he just sits on a stool down at the Legion hall
but I can tell what’s on his mind
Glory days yeah goin back
Glory days aw he ain’t never had
Glory days, glory days
Now I think I’m going down to the well tonight
and I’m going to drink till I get my fill
And I hope when I get old I don’t sit around thinking about it
but I probably will
Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture
a little of the glory of, well time slips away
and leaves you with nothing mister but
boring stories of glory days
Register of Deeds.
I will vote for Ramona Becker.
County treasurer has only one candidate. And HE is a Republican.
I will leave this one blank.
More Election Fraud:
Posted on Friday, 10.24.08
Miss., Ala. counties have more voters than adults
By EMILY WAGSTER PETTUS
Associated Press Writer
JACKSON, Miss. — More than a third of Mississippi counties have more registered voters than residents old enough to cast a ballot, according to an Associated Press analysis.
In addition to providing ammunition for people who say the voting system is vulnerable to fraud, the flabby voting rolls may make it difficult to accurately determine turnout for the Nov. 4 presidential election.
“There is no reason in the world why some of these counties should have more registered voters than they have living, breathing people,” Mississippi Senate Elections Committee Chairman Terry Burton said.
Despite the inflated voter rolls, “it’s important not to leap to the conclusion that this means there have been many illegitimate voters,” said Adam Skaggs, an attorney at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/740340.html
County clerk.
I will vote for Genine Ware.
Yes BlueJay, you voted a solid Demo ticket. Got it.
What is funny is that you THINK you are important enough that people actually care how you voted.
You are delusional!
Now I run into five questions about different folks remaining in office. No party affiliation is given.
I’m of a “throw the bums out!” mind. I will answer all of these “no”.
34K new Mississippi voters can’t be verified
By Natalie Chandler • natalie.chandler@clarionledger.com • October 28, 2008
Thousands of first-time Mississippi voters whose eligibility cannot be verified may be required to show identification at the polls next week.
Of the 189,817 people who have registered to vote since January, Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann said the eligibility of 34,066 cannot be verified by the Department of Public Safety.
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081028/NEWS/81028036
Group: 6,000 on voter roll dead
The Associated Press
October 25, 2008
PORTLAND — A libertarian think tank says Oregon’s voter registration rolls may include the names of more than 6,000 dead people, but state officials say that’s not so.
Cascade Policy Institute based its charge on research done on a Social Security file of more than 84 million deceased Americans.
In a letter to the state’s Elections Division, Cascade investigator Jeff Alan said names on the list as of about Oct. 1 were compared with a list of Oregon voters as of Oct. 8.
It gave the state Elections Division 6,142 names that didn’t match.
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081025/ELECTION03/810250346/1001/NEWS
BOard of education.
THIS is important.
We have this continuing see saw of science vs. silliness here in Kansas and Wichita. Democrats stand with science. Republicans have tended to silliness.
I will vote for Democrat Walt Chapell.
You can’t hide from the sneaky lib news media. More Joe the Plumber infor on how the lower than dirt news media got their information. http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/28/toledo-police-clerk-charged-in-joe-the-plumber-snooping-case/
District Attorney.
It was my pleasure recently to meet Democrat Nola Foulston.
I also like how she took apart BTK Dennis Rader.
Remember?
Rader fancied himself a member of law enforcement.
DA Foulston reminded Rader and the court that Rader was not a police officer. He was a dog catcher.
My vote is for Foulston.
KSGolfnut
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Here’s a nice way to explain the Obama (and democrat) theory of taxation and wealth.
Tonight, my wife and I are going out to a nice dinner
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Golfnutz has a new wife. Surely not. Or, has he not seen this very tired and stupid analogy around here before. I am betting on the latter, Robert Redford look-alike…
Regular posted October 28, 2008 at 8:14 pm
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DavidB posted October 28, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Thanks for helping me make my point, R!
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cosmos_originally posted October 28, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Regular,
Thank you for helping DavidB make his point. LOL!
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His point was bogus.
The effort was to provide paths to Democracy.
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Regular,
Thank you for again helping DavidB make his point about Khalidi.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1028/#comment-457773
“Joe the Plumber” my butt.
Joe is doing political rallies now and wants to run for Congress.
He was never a plumber and given a new opportunity I doubt he will EVER be a plumber.
The guy is an aspiring desk jockey.
Where was I?
Well we are to Judges now.
I think Judges should be chosen for their judgement and NOT their capacity to be judgemental.
Republican lawyers and judges seem to have something of a problem with that.
My vote is for Michael Foster.
Foulston’s two biggest cases:
One was a confession, the other a solid eye witness.
A first year law school graduate could have won in both cases.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink
Regular posted October 28, 2008 at 8:14 pm
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DavidB posted October 28, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Thanks for helping me make my point, R!
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cosmos_originally posted October 28, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Regular,
Thank you for helping DavidB make his point. LOL!
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His point was bogus.
The effort was to provide paths to Democracy.
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Regular,
Thank you for again helping DavidB make his point about Khalidi.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1028/#comment-457773
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Irrelevant,
Obama’s contribution were to communists, radical ideologues and former terrorists.
The foundation were McCain was a chairman, gave contributions for Democratic ideas.
cosmos has no standing on the matter, so he cannot contribute in any meaningful way.
Jama D Mitchell (D)
is against Jeff Syrios for 18th District Judge Division 27.
I think I went to school with Jama.
Syrios is a loon whose rants are regular fare on the Eagle’s opinion pages.
I will vote for Jama and encourage voters to google “Jeff Syrios”+”Wichita Eagle”.
Ah! If McCain gives the money to a Palestinian group – it is for democracy. If Obama helps the same group, it is with anti-democratic intent..
I understand now… uh huh.. yea, uh huh, right.
It must be wonderful to never be wrong in your own mind…
Next I come to a Republican running up opposed for a judgeship.
I cite my earlier. Republicans are judgemental, not judicious.
With no one to oppose the Republican, here I will write in “none of the above”.
I voted Blue Jay, as a write-in for
Dog
Catcher.
BlueJay
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink
“Joe the Plumber” my butt.
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Can’t get Brokeback Mountain off your mind, can you BJ?
Regular posted October 28, 2008 at 10:18 pm
The foundation were McCain was a chairman, gave contributions for Democratic ideas.
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Regular believes that McCain gave large grants to a former PLO spokesman(sic), “to provide paths to Democracy”?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1028/#comment-457773
McCARTHY: Exactly. He was a spokesman[sic] for the PLO during the Arafat days and also was an advisor to Arafat during the peace negotiations.
Chuckle… JR is boring everyone with a blow by blow of his narrow thought process, as he votes his straight party line ticket.
“I voted Blue Jay, as a write-in for
Dog
Catcher.”
Thanks, “Max”.
Among my family, 5 of our 6 dogs are adopted foundlings.
I didn’t so match “catch” them as find them a home.
Oh like YOU are gonna vote anything but a straight con ticket outlander.
At least I am forward about it.
BlueJay, something tells me you will always suck ‘hind teat’. Good luck with that.
‘Obama revs up young crowds, shoots for Pa. and Va.’
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD943S43G0
“On a day when Republican grumbling about McCain grew and polls showed Obama maintaining his lead, the Illinois senator said he took nothing for granted. He went ahead with at an earlier outdoor rally in the Philadelphia suburbs despite a steady, chilling rain.
About 9,000 shivering people came out to hear him there. They stood in mud.
“I just want all of you to know that if we see this kind of dedication on Election Day, there is no way that we’re not going to bring change to America,” Obama told them all.
About 50 miles to the north, McCain postponed a rally because of similar weather.”
And history shows me and everyone that WHO ever you are “ANTI” you were, are and ever will be just one of my ankle biters.
outlander
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:45 pm | Permalink
Chuckle… JR is boring everyone with a blow by blow of his narrow thought process, as he votes his straight party line ticket.
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Is he posting via wi-fi WHILE he votes?
Must piss-off everyone waiting in line for an hour for him to vote.
Even lil ole ladies are able to vote in 2 minutes or less.
You are the ‘queen’ of ankle biters, BlueJay. You always have been and always be. You are a self-made loser.
And you “ANTI”, originally posted as “ANTI J R”
You’re a knock off. A hanger on.
Aspire to better. Now I know it is hard. But SURELY you must have SOME thing of your own to say and stand for?
Anyone ever see the out takes on the DVD for The 40-yr Old Virgin?
Funny as heck.
I like the scene where the two guys are playing a video game and trading insults, rapid-fire-back-and-forth about how one knows the other is Gay.
Not sure why I thought about that just now…
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405422/quotes
David: You know how I know that you’re gay?
Cal: How?
David: You like the movie “Maid in Manhattan”.
Cal: You know how I know *you’re* gay?
David: How?
Cal: I saw you make a spinach dip in a loaf of sour dough bread once.
David: You know how I know that you’re gay?
Cal: How?
David: You have a rainbow bumpersticker on your car that says “I love it when *balls* are in my face”.
Cal: That’s *gay*?
David: [David loses second match] Godd*mnit!
Cal: I’m ripping your head off right now. It’s off, and *now* I’m throwing it at your body.
[shouts]
Cal: F*ck you!
David: Aww.
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David: You know how I know you’re gay?
Cal: How?
David: Your dcik tastes like siht.
Regular
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink
Foulston’s two biggest cases:
One was a confession, the other a solid eye witness.
A first year law school graduate could have won in both cases.
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I really don’t like Nola Folston. But, I’d rather have her than the criminal opponent the rightwing nuts have offered us.
I could tell you more, but I won’t.
BlueJay you and Maggotpunk should ‘hook up’, you two are made for each other. If you have hate in your heart, let it out!
((Shhh Max, don’t tell BJ/JR that I was insinuating BJ/JR is a homosexual. (Newly found of course, like KFG))
40 Year Old Virgin – Outtakes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl9MjmYY8Ss
Max you ole’ bastard, you’re giving me the gas, I’m going to bed…Tell JR/BJ to pick up MP some wet wipes, honeymoon and all, CA style!
(Ok Anti, I won’t ask or tell. Did he really just suddenly discover he was gay? Man, they should pass a law to require labels or something, so people would know what they are.)
Anti, I think I found a woman for BJ -
http://break.com/index/redneck-woman-rails-on-obama.html
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MaxGrobnik
Posted October 28, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink
(Ok Anti, I won’t ask or tell. Did he really just suddenly discover he was gay? Man, they should pass a law to require labels or something, so people would know what they are.)
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I was thinking a star embroidered on their…wait…nevermind.
Why not just layout a Playboy and a Playgirl, and see which one they choose?
Project much “Max” and “ANTI”?
Or flip a coin…
Max, you gotta love Appalachia…Oh + Booze!
Iddint dat Bujays kinda folk?
You know…
Heads and Tails….
Oh yeah,
Chas is the one doing the dance, and BJ is playing the banjo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyKvD-4IxOY
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BlueJay
Posted October 28, 2008 at 11:31 pm | Permalink
Project much “Max” and “ANTI”?
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I had to make a beerdhuse once az a project! Wat r u A-rab ur sumpin??
Sheesh cons is THIS the best you have anymore?
And it will only get more amusing won’t it?
I thought “project” sounded like a gay word for something…
He was asking how much we project…
Distance or frequency I don’t know for sure. It’s a gay expression I think.
It’s only get more amusing when Chas shows up.
He’s late. Must be busy or somethin.
Maybe he’s on the way over to help BJ with a Project.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:44 pm | Permalink
Regular posted October 28, 2008 at 10:18 pm
The foundation were McCain was a chairman, gave contributions for Democratic ideas.
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Regular believes that McCain gave large grants to a former PLO spokesman(sic), “to provide paths to Democracy”?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1028/#comment-457773
McCARTHY: Exactly. He was a spokesman[sic] for the PLO during the Arafat days and also was an advisor to Arafat during the peace negotiations.
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As usual cosmos is wrong, just like on Climate change.
When does cosmos stop being wrong?
When he stops writing. :)
You’re boring me kids.
Come on, really let fly. I can FEEL your anger.
It gives you focus and makes you moderately amusing.
Good luck with your ‘Project’ BJ/JR.
Good night all, and sweet dreams to ya’ll!
Jimmuh makes 3?
THIS gets better and better.
This is sounding like a retared version of star wars…
“Come on, really let fly. I can FEEL your anger.
It gives you focus and makes you moderately amusing.”
ROFL
And afterwards, we’ll see a phony blessing posted to lets us know the Project dun be completed.
Then a flick,puff….and blow…..
“ANTI” leaves and Nathan arrives.
Coincidence?
Who knows. His DAD has at least 3 nics.
May the force be with them!
Junior just can’t believe that those on the right outnumber the left in Kansas, so he makes up stories about other posters.
BlueJay,
3? LOL
If that is all you think he has you don’t even begin to have anything figured out yet.
Yeah that is kinda what I figure Nathan.
Apple didn’t fall far from the tree with you did it?
REGULIAR writes, “Obama’s birth certificate is phony because it doesn’t have a raised seal and a notarized signature.”
Photographic proof at FactCheck.org proves that Obama’s birth certificate has both a raised seal and a notarized signature.
Yeah. Slam dunk.
Lying Sack of Sh! t.
BlueJay,
I love my father very much. I have nothing to be ashamed of in being like him.
I aspire to be as wonderful a man as he is.
“I aspire to be as wonderful a man as he is”
Unlike you Nathan, I don’t presume to be a judge on anyone or tell anyone how to live.
This is an outsiders take only. PROBABLY your dad would tell my son much the same.
Your Father is a jerk Nathan. And I am not going to go further than that.
A week from tonight, it will all be over.
Let freedom ring.
Remember how ReguLIAR said he was going to stop posting after January 1st of 2008?
Kansas
Posted December 29, 2007 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
Okay folks, less than 8 hours until count down is finished, then I’m out of here.
I won’t be participating on WE Blog.
Being as there is a desire for me to depart before 1 January 2008, I will be honoring that request.
So, you have less than eight hours to interact with me.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/12/open-thread-26/#comments
I guess he meant that he stop posting as “Kansas” after January 1st . . .
I agree with you Blue Jay.
Seven more days until Worst. President. Ever. is kicked out of Al Gore’s house . . .
Ususally, it’s easy for ex-Presidents to make easy money writing books and going on speaking tours.
What’s Bush going to do in the economy he created?
Even the wing-nuts hate him.
may the blessings and joys of the FSM be with you all!! may you all be annointed by the holy sauce flowing from the FSM!!
Pastafarians for ALL!!
so mote it be!!
Just in — new picture of Boxlock >>>>
http://www.kansas.com/comicssurvey/
OOOps…. wrong link above… this one >>>>
http://media.kansas.com/static/images/webcomics/nonseq.jpg
Nathaniel
Posted October 29, 2008 at 12:07 am | Permalink
BlueJay,
I love my father very much. I have nothing to be ashamed of in being like him.
I aspire to be as wonderful a man as he is.
^^^^^^^^^^
Nathan gets offended when I comment on the Price family psychodrama. Anyone else think it is getting kind of old?
“Nathaniel” posts –
“HLP” is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.
Or something like that.