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HIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! Too busy to play, sorry ya’ll, still thinking of ya.
Still sleeping like a baby.
Blizzards in NWK today? Oct. 23? The caterpillars have been pretty fuzzy this year.
Long winter ahead.
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/
silly me, forgot the link
Employers are moving to aggressively cut jobs and reduce costs in the face of the nation’s economic crisis, preparing for what many fear will be a long and painful recession.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/22/AR2008102203709.html?hpid=topnews
Boy, I want 4 more years of this! I think I’ll vote McCain! Just think of the benefits of living under a bridge.
XXX
Posted October 23, 2008 at 6:43 am | Permalink
Just think of the benefits of living under a bridge.
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Just make sure that bridge has been checked out by the trasnportation department.
Maybe we should nuke ‘em into submission!
You betcha!
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration on Wednesday warned of “real consequences” for Iraq if it rejects a newly negotiated security pact. Without a deal, the United States could be forced to end its military operations.
The White House said Iraqi security forces are incapable of keeping the peace without U.S. troops, raising the specter of reversals in recent security and political gains if the proposed security deal is not approved by the time the current legal basis for U.S. military operations expires Dec. 31.
So Iraq instead of being the only hope for Democracy in the region is really just much ado about nothing. Sucks to be one of the thousands dead or their families FOR NOTHING!!!!!!
Footage of John McCain being interviewed as a bedridden prisoner during the Vietnam War has been released by the French national archive.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/US-Elections-2008/John-McCain-Footage-Of-Presidential-Candidate-As-Prisoner-Of-War-In-Vietnam-Released/Article/200810415126616
“The video portrays the Republican as a hero but the message may be tarnished as he is filmed smoking a cigarette.
In the footage an emotional and shirtless McCain passes a message to his wife saying he will get well and loves her.
He also describes being shot down over Hanoi in 1967, and parachuting into a lake.
At times, when speaking of his family, McCain’s lower lip trembles and his voice breaks.”
What an American Hero compared to “The ONE”
And oh, his smoking….that was 1967, when the danger and stupidity and lack of judgment about smoking was not as clear, not 2008. What’s Obama’s excuse? While Obama says he is trying to quit chewing Nicorette gum one really wonders and he know its wrong and avoids like the plague getting caught on camera…..again, a fake.
What an American Hero compared to “The ONE”
Getting shot down and making propaganda videos for the enemy makes one a hero?
So… how do you feel about Jane Fonda?
An American hero would not “wet start” his jet causing explosions and fire on the USS Forestall that killed over 100 soldiers. John McCain needs to tell the WHOLE story about his role in that tragedy. He has refused to talk about it. We need to know and see the official documents related to the incident.
I wonder who MCCain had to sell out in ordwer to get the PRIVLEDGE of that cigarette he was smoking.
McCain = songbird singing for a smoke
killed over 100 soldiers.
killed over 100 sailors.
John McCain = TRUE American Hero.
No doubt.
Barack Hussein Obama = EDUCATED Chicago Thug.
“…McCain passes a message to his wife saying he will get well and loves her…” — Boxlock
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He loved her so deeply he first went shopping for a replacement while still married to her and once he had secured a wealthy trophy beauty replacement he dumped her and the kids. That was how he treated the woman who stood by him. The man is a despot! He hasn’t gotten well — in fact, his emotional and mental illnesses have progressed in a text-book manner.
No doubt.
Why is it that about a third of the regular Leftwingers on this board seem to have Bipolar Disorder or something worse?
There’s 4-5 who’s names I won’t mention who are incapable of a rational discussion when they get riled. It’s not the PDS because their condition predates Palin coming on the scene, although they have been getting worse lately. The PDS may be augmenting their condition.
People please take your meds. Or more of them. If you are not on meds get some. We can take up a collection if you can’t afford them.
Have a great day.
When you don’t have truth on your side, lie.
Lie.
Everything about McCain’s jet engine ‘wet start’ causing the Forrestal Disaster is a lie.
Everything.
Sorry.
Barack Obama, Socialist(Marxist)
“In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago “New Party”. The ‘New Party’ was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards. …
After allegations surfaced in early summer over the ‘New Party’s’ endorsement of Obama, the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member of either organization. The DSA and ‘New Party’ then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA’s New Party.”
Why is it so many Democrat s must hide who they are to get elected?
http://tinyurl.com/4y27v8
“Everything about McCain’s jet engine ‘wet start’ causing the Forrestal Disaster is a lie.”
It’s true, so is the fact that when sailors went to stop the fire McCain had started McCain went below decks and hid. When his shipmates were mourning their dead McCain ran off with a reporter and lived the good life.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print
In the footage an emotional and shirtless McCain passes a message to his wife saying he will get well and loves her.
Yeah, until he went home and found out she wasn’t the arm candy he’d married and went out to get a new piece of candy…this one with $$$$$$$$$
I think I have it:
McCain is a traitor.
Ayers is a hero.
Wonder why it took me so long to get it.
It’s true, so is the fact that when sailors went to stop the fire McCain had started..
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Obama is a Muslim Socialist.
Can I play too?
Lay off McCain in Hanoi. Nearly ANYTHING you do as a prisoner of war, especially if you are subject to torture is forgivable.
I am not so willing to forgive his dirty low tactics of today, however.
Maggott
Either you misunderstood Hanks statement or you didnt read the Rolling Stone story.
The “Stone” didn’t claim that the fire was started by McCain “wet starting” his engine.
Oh, I forgot one:
Wright is a hero.
An American hero would not “wet start” his jet causing explosions and fire on the USS Forestall that killed over 100 soldiers.
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Obama is an Anti-American member of WU, possibly the Anti-Christ, and worst of all a radical Islamic sympathizer!
What’s the deal? You tards don’t want to play anymore?
Fake birth certificate.
Wasn’t even born as an American.
Hank William, Jr.
“Bocephus” tells it like it is.
The McCain/Palin tradition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81brjpteDk
Lots of early voting in FL … and long lines because the GOP cut hours of operation.
Florida’s GOP lawmakers blamed for early-voting lines
Saying early voting cost too much money with rules that weren’t uniform, Republican legislators led a charge three years ago to set new statewide standards limiting the number of polling sites and their hours of operation.
Those revamped rules trimmed early voting from 12 hours per workday to eight.
During the first presidential election since Gov. Jeb Bush signed the bill in 2005, the new law’s impact can be seen throughout South Florida: exhausting lines at polling sites in Miami-Dade and Broward that led voters to miss work, senior citizens to beg for chairs and voting advocates to question whether some are being disenfranchised.
From Miami City Hall to the Southwest Regional Library in Pembroke Pines, voters on Monday and Tuesday — the first two days of early voting — sweated out waits of two to five hours. Broward reported record turnout for early voting, which ends Nov. 2.
Now, the debate over those achingly long lines has turned political. Some Democratic leaders contend the bill intentionally slowed down a process that has historically benefited the party.
”They were using their power, their majority, to make it harder for people to vote, to gain a political advantage,” said House Minority Leader Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach. “It was horrible.”
Republicans dispute any political motives, saying the new rules set much-needed uniform standards while saving government money by trimming polling times.
The 82-36 House vote was largely along party lines, with Democrat motions to expand the hours all falling flat.
House Bill 1567 took effect during the 2006 election cycle. Before its passage, early voting centers could remain open for up to 12 hours on weekdays, and for a total of eight hours over the weekend.
Today, early voting sites are limited to eight hours on weekdays and a total of eight aggregate hours on weekends. Local governments are now limited to using libraries, city halls and election headquarters as polling sites.
In Miami-Dade, where early voting booths open at 7 a.m., the centers stop taking voters at 3 — well before most people get off work. Broward’s early voting precincts run from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. during the week.
One of the bill’s sponsors, State Rep. Kevin Ambler, R-Lutz, said his constituents complained it was inappropriate to vote in places of worship, as some counties permitted under old rules.
”If you’re Jewish and have to go to St. Timothy’s Catholic Church, people complained to us and said they’re bothered by that,” Ambler said.
While absentee ballots, especially in Florida with its large military presence, tend to favor Republicans, early voting has largely benefited Democrats. Early voting figures across Florida show that of the 153,000 early votes cast throughout the state Monday, almost 56 percent were from Democrats, 29 percent from Republicans and 15 percent from others, according to the Florida Democratic Party.
Nearly a quarter of the Democratic votes were cast in Broward, Miami-Dade, Duval, Hillsborough, Palm Beach and Orange counties, the report said.
There were long lines everywhere Monday and Tuesday, with many places giving voters a number to wait their turn, as if in a store line that stretched for blocks outside.
At the North Miami branch library on Monday, the crowd was filled with many Haitian immigrants or first-generation Americans of Haitian descent voting for the first time.
James Gardner, a community college supervisor from North Miami, tried to vote there Monday but left.
”I thought it might take me an hour. It’s already been 2 ½,” he said.
Though the library stopped letting people enter the line at 3 p.m., some didn’t reach a voting machine for another five hours, said elections office clerk Gerard Perez. ”We basically had a 13-hour day,” he said.
Ten minutes before polls opened at the Southwest Regional Library in Pembroke Pines, a line stretched 150 strong — and continued to grow.
Standing at the end of the line, Stan Lubin said he found the wait ironic.
”We’re stuck in lines trying to avoid the lines,” said Lubin, 64, of Davie.
The delays are likely to continue during the two-week early voting period. Since 2004, Miami-Dade has added 184,514 voters and is now up to 1,243,315.
Broward also totals more than one million registered voters, making the two counties the only ones in the state with that distinction.
Almost 22,000 voters in Miami-Dade and Broward cast ballots Monday. Miami-Dade, with 20 polling sites open for early voting and 9,000 trained poll workers, expects to spend about $6 million during the process.
Miami-Dade Supervisor of Elections Lester Sola said that for the past three years he has futilely sent legislative packages to Tallahassee seeking more control over the local early process. He is now required to provide a list of polling sites to the state 30 days before Election Day, but says counties need the flexibility to hold early voting outside traditional government buildings.
”Why overwhelm a library when you have a large regional park next door?” Sola asked. “We had a lot more flexibility before.”
Sola said plenty of machines are in storage that will be used on Election Day when the county opens 765 precincts — but he is limited in their use now because the size of the sites available.
Still, he says, staff are constantly monitoring sites around the county, and machines that check identification will be added where necessary.
He brushed aside a suggestion by U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek, D-Miami, to offer those in line mail-in ballots instead.
”The last thing I’m going to do is offer an opportunity, and have that person not be able to vote. I’m not about to push one means of voting or another,” Sola said.
After meeting with Meek, Sola said Goodwill Ambassadors will be added to locations to ease the comfort level, and the county’s elections website will be updated constantly with the addresses of less crowded voting sites. Broward has also released expected wait times for its early voting sites.
Ambler, the Lutz Republican, said voters should not feel as if they are being deprived of the right to vote, and that people can always vote by mail.
”This is the first day of early voting. I think you’ll see an initial push, and it’ll taper down substantially,” he said.
Late Tuesday, Sola said he expected more voters Tuesday than on Monday. He spoke briefly to Miami-Dade commissioners, telling them the lines were long but not unexpectedly so.
”Voting take sacrifice,” he said. “And people are willing to take that sacrifice to cast a ballot.”
fake argument
By the way, my second link at the bottom of the above post is the allegation, not fact.
What’s of interest is the comments to follow from those in the know.
“fake argument”….could apply to about 90% of the comments on this blog…which one are you referring to?
“(Obama’s) a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States.”
“I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.” “…you have to be respectful”
-John McCain Oct 10, 2008
Here is what Sarah Six-Pack is wearing this season:
http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/templates/P9.jhtml?itemId=cat17300738&parentId=cat000209&masterId=cat000199
DavidB Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:13 am |
“fake argument”
And what do you have to support that statement?
The official finding were that their was no culpability on McCain’s part, a fact born out by the videos.
It was only others opinion at the time that even involves McCain.
Remember, FactCheck is an Annenburg Foundation, close historical ties to Obama, that found the alligations completely false.
I quote them:
“Either way, McCain was not in any way at fault for the fire, and he barely escaped with his life.” Link found above.
Greenspan currently testifying before congress, to paraphrase, he stated the crisis was brought about by lenders who perceived no risk to their shareholders because they could package and sell off subprime loans not adequately vetted, and exotic instruments like siv (given good ratings by agencies)allowed for buyers to purchase with little perceived risk.
He thinks the market will not recover for said instruments, and sub prime loans will be extremely scarce in the future.
He made no mention of freddie or fannie or acorn.
The Beirut barracks bombing: 25 years ago today
On that day, 241 U.S. Marines, soldiers, and sailors were murdered as they slept by truck bomb jihadists — who were waging a war on us long before we woke up and started fighting the war on them.
Barack Obama thinks they need more “compassion” and education. He wants to pull out and “end” the war, not win it.
A recipe, in other words, for more Beirut bombings.
http://tinyurl.com/56d8gt
David..what is your point?
Barack Obama, June 3, 2008:
“I honor — we honor — the service of John McCain, and I respect his many accomplishments.”
Beirut bombings were Clinton’s fault! I mean were Carter’s fault!
“I honor — we honor — the service of John McCain, and I respect his many accomplishments.”
Barrack’s not stupid, he knows IOIYAR, and isn’t going to do anything that would feed the enemy right.
So, Phantom, does that mean you would say the same thing about McCain with the quote posted by David? That McCain is not stupid and knows to not do anything to feed the enemy left??
Beiruet – a product of Reagan’s policies of sending combat troops into a country without considering the possibility that elements within that country might not want them there. Why was the military garrison not secured? Why was it so easily breached?
During our revolution didn’t se attack the Hessian mercenaries in the middle of the night? Might the occupied Lebanese viewed our troops similarly?
There are cases where we need to place US troops in a country in harms way. However, we should both carefully consider doing so and also provide sufficiant security. Reagan rejected both of those.
bth…it was not a ‘military garrison’, but a barracks for US Marines who work at the US Embassy. Every US Embassy in the world has US Marines, and have had since long before Reagan’s presidency.
Nice try at blame…but it doesn’t wash.
Yes. Mccain’s just covering his butt. But Obama isn’t making inflammatory statements or using his no.2 to put mccain in a bad position re. his military record, then publicly denouncing same.
Wilki:
The Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident on October 23, 1983, during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck separate buildings in Beirut housing United States and French military forces—members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon—killing hundreds of servicemen, the majority of whom were U.S. Marines. The blasts led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the Israeli 1982 invasion of Lebanon
WASHINGTON – New claims for jobless benefits increased by more than expected last week as companies cut jobs due to the slow economy, the Labor Department said Thursday.
The Labor Department said new applications for unemployment benefits rose 15,000 to a seasonally adjusted 478,000, above analysts’ estimates of 470,000.
and
Jobless claims above 400,000 are considered a sign of recession.
and
“Given the financial damage to date, I cannot see how we can avoid a significant rise in layoffs and unemployment,” Greenspan told a House committee Thursday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy
Merry Christmas!
This has got to suck for mccain. Seems the good people grown in rural areas are breaking about even for obama/mccain!
Obama, McCain neck-and-neck for rural vote: poll
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Play Video Video: Welfare State? FOX News Play Video Video: Buying the Presidency? FOX News Play Video Video: McCain: Obama ‘will say anything to get elected’ AP WASHINGTON (Reuters) – After trailing by 10 points in U.S. rural areas, Democrat Barack Obama is neck-and-neck with Republican John McCain among rural voters in 13 swing states, a potentially key group for winning the White House, according to a poll released on Thursday.
Obama was supported by 46 percent and McCain by 45 percent of 841 likely voters surveyed from October 5-21, as U.S. financial turmoil deepened, according to the poll commissioned by the nonpartisan Center for Rural Strategies in Whitesburg, Kentucky.
A month ago, the poll showed McCain led 51-41. This time, respondents said Obama would do better than McCain on the economy, taxes and “the financial crisis in the country.”
Nearly 20 percent of Americans live in rural areas. They tend to be social and fiscal conservatives. President George W. Bush won rural districts nationwide by 19 points in 2004.
Here is what Sarah Six-Pack is wearing this season:
Nice shoes! But I wouldn’t pay more than $20 for any of them.
I shivered as I watched the closing of SNL last Saturday night. While Sarah’s suit was nice (I hate suits), her black patent knee boots looked wildly out of place with it. Too bad Mr. Blackwell is no longer with us.
I wish the skit on SNL with Palin could have been done with ‘The Lady’s Man’, I think that would have been hilarious.
Holy Obama bth, how much time do the people in Florida need to vote?
Can’t Acorn get all their phony votes submitted in an 8 hour day?
You know, in the old days, everybody voted on, wait for it,
ELECTION DAY!
There was no need for a 2, 3, or 4 week process to fill in a few circles or pull a few levers.
Max, sometimes the ‘Rascals’ and ‘Hover-Rounds’ batteries go dead while waiting in line. Then they must be pushed by hand, this all takes time.
From the crazy fundy file:
Christian terrorist vandalizes homes of Minnesota politicians referencing a bible verse.
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S627869.shtml?cat=1
Here’s the bible verses from that well known tome of hate:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%202;&version=9;
No raptor – that WAS a garrison. Not for embassy staff but for marines Reagan sent in to help the Israeli occupation. They were supposedly peacekeeprs but were ill-equipped for the job:
The Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident on October 23, 1983, during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck separate buildings in Beirut housing United States and French military forces—members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon—killing hundreds of servicemen, the majority of whom were U.S. Marines. The blasts led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the Israeli 1982 invasion of Lebanon.
Mossad and the bombing
The former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky leveled charges that Mossad knew of the plans for the bombing, but never informed the US government(Ostrovsky 1991). It has been suggested that the reason that Israel did not inform the US was that the withdrawal of US and French forces prevented them from interfering with Israeli operations in Lebanon.
The U.S. still categorised this attack as an act of terror as it was directed against off-duty servicemen, which the U.S. defines as non-combatants. However, no international law defines sleeping or off-duty servicemen as non-combatants.
Guess they belong to both parties,
Huh. From the same link
“Across the Metro, at least five other lawmakers’ homes were damaged overnight. The case now may point to a non-partisan group, as both democratic and republican politicians were hit.”
“MaxGrobnik
Posted October 23, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink
Holy Obama bth, how much time do the people in Florida need to vote?”
Problem is, Max, that when you are an hourly employee the time off becomes an issue. The whole idea of advance voting is to stretch the available machines further – from what I see Bill gale is handling it well here. I plan to vote next week so I don’t crash into work/timing issues.
bth
Posted October 23, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink
No raptor – that WAS a garrison. Not for embassy staff but for marines Reagan sent in to help the Israeli occupation.
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Ben,
You’re expecting the truth from Raptor? Good luck with that.
bth, you Libs seeem to have a lot of problems doing very simple things.
It’s a problem to register to vote.
It’s almost impossible to find a photo ID in order to register to vote.
It’s a problem to get an absentee ballot.
It’s a problem to find the time to go vote on election day.
It’s a problem to punch the little holes correctly in the old Florida ballots.
THANK GOD you Dems have Acorn to hold your lil hands, and help you figure out how to vote!
Ben,
I see you are out spreading the hate again today.
So if I am attacked at my home today for political reasons by a “terrorist” because I am a Marine and the “terrorist” wants to make a political statement that is not terrorism?
Gotcha.
So what did you think it was then? Do you think that the bombing of the Marine barracks was a legitimate military attack?
My error…I was thinking of the attack on the US Embassy 6 months earlier, in April, which was an attack on the US Embassy, not the barracks.
I am terribly sorry that I am not as perfect as you are, david. must be a tremendous burden to be absolutely perfect and never make mistakes. Do you walk on water and raise the dead as well?
Ben,
And while you were copy and pasting from wikipedia (without link or giving credit) you missed this part:
“Under international law, peacekeepers are regarded as non-combatants due to their peacekeeping role…”
There must be something behind these stats:
Thread comparing McCain and Obama’s energy plans – 29 posts
Thread about Palin spending $150K on clothes – 218 posts
(in the interest of full disclosure, I added 3 to the energy policy thread and 1 to the $150K on clothes thread)
IF they were peace-keepers. In many quarters they were viewd as participants with the Israelis. Remember, they stood around and did nothing during the massacres at Sabra and Shatilla.
Why were they there? And, if they had to be there, why no security? Seems to me that from a strictly military perspective that was extreme negligence.
Keep spreading your hate for anyone in disagreement with yourself Nathan.
Don’t worry max – I’ll vote fine without any help from ACORN.
Living in a garbage truck:
http://www.itsjustabitoffun.com/date/2007/8/20/
“A key point in determining the plaintiffs’ eligibility to recover damages was the issue of whether the Marines were engaged in combat in their mission to Lebanon. Lamberth said the bulk of the evidence pointed clearly to a peacekeeping mission operating on stringent peacetime rules of engagement.
“As pointed out during trial, the (Marines) were more restricted in their use of force than an ordinary U.S. citizen walking down a street in Washington, D.C.,” the judge wrote.”
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/
Ben,
Disagreement? If I were a Jew and you were sitting here telling me that Hitler was justified in killing 6 million Jews I wouldn’t be sitting here taking this as mere disagreement.
Yet you sit here trying to characterize the Marines there as not being peace keepers and then try to characterize the attack on them as a legitimate military attack.
Then you have the gall to tell me that it is mere disagreement?
I am a damn Marine. You are sitting here saying that the terrorist attack which killed over 200 Marines was a legitimate attack.
The only part I do agree with was the lack of security.
That was a lesson learned the hard way by the Marine Corps.
However, the way you bring it up seems more like a slap in the face rather than an intellectual look at what they did poorly and could do better.
Seems to me that Reagan placed them in an untenable position. Just what WAS the mission there? I know that I certainly don’t know.
Nathan raises an interesting question. If we know where an enemy soldier is when he is ‘off duty’ can we legitimately go after him? If so, does that apply in reverse? This gets real murkey when ‘enemy compatants’ might be citizens of a country resisting foreign occupiers. How would WE react to foreign soldiers garrisoned on OUR soil.
Peace-keeping, nation-building, and related activities are in many ways much more difficult than conventional warfare. It gets real murky real fast.
Nathan – if that is how you take it then so be it. My father-in-law is also a Marine and he says the Lebanese occupation was a stupid mission from Day 1.
Rasmussen Reports 10/20 – 10/22 3000 LV 2.0 52 45 Obama +7
Gallup (Traditional)* 10/20 – 10/22 2384 LV 2.0 50 46 Obama +4
Gallup (Expanded)* 10/20 – 10/22 2299 LV 2.0 51 45 Obama +6
mxyzptlk – what’s you atke on the massive early voting turnouts?
Ben,
There is nothing murkey about a suicide bomber from a known terrorist organization driving a truck bomb into a barracks of Marines sent there on a peace keeping mission.
Only a damn idiot like you would think so.
McCain/Palin/Republicans are melting down.
Indiana going for Obama!
The perfect storm is building to sweep Dems into total control.
Ben,
There is a HUGE difference between questioning why the Marines were sent there and the effectiveness of their mission and saying that the attack on them was legitimate.
I somehow doubt your father shared your sentiment in that regard.
bth
It’s Obama baby!
Advance voting is to circumvent the corrupt Republican fraud machine.
Under international law, peacekeepers are regarded as non-combatants due to their peacekeeping role…”
If you think you could put ‘peace keepers’ in Afghanistan, or Iraq, and not expect them to be attacked, you would be severly misguided.
“Consider the U.S. atrocity committed at My Lai. In a matter of hours, U.S. soldiers raped, looted, maimed, and tortured the residents of a village; they burned homes, slaughtered animals; and killed 347 villagers. The My Lai massacre embodied the unvarnished horror of the Pentagon’s murderous frenzy in Southeast Asia.”
Breaking news:
“Facing a firing line of questions from Washington lawmakers, Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman once considered the infallible maestro of the financial system, admitted on Thursday that he “made a mistake” in trusting that free markets could regulate themselves without government oversight.”
“DavidB
Posted October 23, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink
Breaking news:
“Facing a firing line of questions from Washington lawmakers, Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman once considered the infallible maestro of the financial system, admitted on Thursday that he “made a mistake” in trusting that free markets could regulate themselves without government oversight.””
Blasphemy! Blasphemy I say!
Under international law, peacekeepers are regarded as non-combatants due to their peacekeeping role…”
So, when Georgia attacked the Russian peace-keepers in S Ossetia they were committing terrorist acts?
heheheh Brian!
“The perfect storm is building to sweep Dems into total control.”
Not so fast. The Fat Cat, er, Diebold, hasnt sung yet.
Nathan – my father-in-law stated that one should expect to be targeted when one enters a combat zone. That barracks was in a combat zone. We would similarly attack a barracks containing enemy soldiers.
Some good financial news:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/23/news/economy/bair_testimony_tarphomeownerhelp/index.htm?postversion=2008102312
New foreclosure plan on tap
FDIC chief Sheila Bair says government will use authority under bailout law to prevent avoidable foreclosures.
Ben,
Your father-in-law was correct. One should expect to be targeted. The Marines did not have proper security in place.
That doesn’t justify the attack or make the attack legitimate and not an act of terrorism as you try to claim.
Nor does it support your flat out lie that Marines just stood around and did nothing as people were massacred.
Ben,
When did Georgia attack Russian peace keepers?
A couple months ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_war
“August 8 – Early in the morning, Georgia launched a military offensive to surround and capture Tskhinvali,[92] breaking the terms of the 1992 ceasefire and crossing into the security zone established therein.[93] According to a Russian military official, over ten Russian Peacekeeping force servicemen stationed in Tskhinvali were killed during the attack.[94] ”
According to the Russians their troops in S Ossetia and Abkhazia were peace-keepers.
Of course, one man’s peace-keepers are another man’s occupiers … and therein lies the problem.
Pretty simple Ben, nothing “murkey” about it:
Known terrorists organization has a suicide bomber dirve a truck full of explosives into the barracks of sleeping Marines who were there on an international peace keeping mission.
Terrorism.
A country launches an invasion of a neighbor.
A suicide bomber representing no country, rather a terrorist organization drives a truck bomb killing over 200 Marines.
See the difference yet Ben?
A uniformed military invades a neighbor.
vs.
A non-uniformed suicide bomber
See the difference yet Ben?
A group of 10 “peace keepers” are killed while a COUNTRY invades a neighbor.
vs
A group of over 200 Marine peacekeepers were the target.
See the difference yet Ben?
Gotta go Ben.
Have enough balls to admit you are a liar or back up your claims.
Dr. James Dobson today asked Gov. Sarah Palin about her private conversations with Sen. McCain about the Republican platform’s planks on life and marriage.
“In your private conversations with Senator McCain is it your impression that he also strongly supports those views? I know that he did not oppose that platform when it was written. Do you think he will implement it?”
Governor Palin responded: “I do, from the bottom of my heart. I am such a strong believer that McCain believes in those strong planks and we do have good conversations about some of the details too, about the different planks and what they represent.”
The 2008 GOP platform is a bit more conservative than it was in 2004. If McCain is going to implement it – something of which Palin is convinced from the bottom of her heart – then that means that McCain will support a constitutional amendment to ban all abortion (including those cases where the mother was raped or was the victim of incest), a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and he will oppose government-sponsored embryonic stem cell research.
Either Palin trying to mislead Dobson, equivocate, or perhaps he doesn’t know what her running mate believes. McCain supports embryonic stem cell research…he opposes a constitutional amendment banning all abortion.
-huffpo
Dobson and Palin are a perfect pair aren’t they? The fundies must be all excited seeing them chatting.
And just what DID the Marines do to stop the Israelis?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
To be ‘peace-keepers’ troops should protect BOTH sides – not just support another occupier. I think that was one of our big mistakes in that mission – by supporting one side we were not perceived as peace-keepers by the (occupied) Lebanese population.
France now has “peace-keepers” in Lebanon. One test for them will be to be seen as even-handed and, if necessary, act to protect the population from attack from outside. Our marines were not given that task by Reagan. Their mission was to support the Israelis – which they did.
Go to Hell Nathan. I have not lied and have enough balls to confront you.
Nathan I dont think what Ben was saying is that the attack on the Marines was a good thing but from a Military perspective ones goal is usually to kill as many enemy soldiers as you can. And the US military would do the same if the roles were reversed
A uniformed military occupies a country.
vs.
A citizen of that country resists the occupation.
Yes, I see the difference.
How would WE react to a foreign military garrisoned here occupying OUR country?
“TomPaine
Posted October 23, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
Nathan I dont think what Ben was saying is that the attack on the Marines was a good thing but from a Military perspective ones goal is usually to kill as many enemy soldiers as you can. And the US military would do the same if the roles were reversed”
Nathan was a little too close to the issue being discussed to be able to look at it objectively and rationally and reach that conclusion.
David – McCain was for these things before he was against them.
State Obama (D) McCain (R)
Florida (27) 47.6 46.6 Obama +1.0
Ohio (20) 49.7 43.7 Obama +6.0
Nevada (5) 49.3 46.0 Obama +3.3
North Carolina (15) 49.2 47.2 Obama +2.0
Missouri (11) 48.0 45.3 Obama +2.7 Toss Up
Indiana (11) 46.7 47.3 McCain +0.6 Toss Up
Colorado (9) 50.4 45.0 Obama +5.4 Leaning
West Virginia (5) 43.8 50.3 McCain +6.5
Virginia (13) 51.5 44.5 Obama +7.0 Leaning
Georgia (15) 44.2 51.0 McCain +6.8 Leaning
Montana (3) 44.7 50.3 McCain +5.6 Leaning
“bth
Posted October 23, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
A uniformed military occupies a country.
vs.
A citizen of that country resists the occupation.
Yes, I see the difference.
How would WE react to a foreign military garrisoned here occupying OUR country?”
Probably by trying to kill them with homemade bombs and sniping at them from the trees
correct brian. My father-in-law, although a marine, has mellowed a bit with age since WW2 and Korea (where he left behind a knee-cap).
I am a supporter of peace-keeping missions (e.g. Bosnia). However, Lebanon was not such a mission – there was no peace to be kept. An essential ingredient is that we would be protecting BOTH sides – not just suppressing the population for one side. That is where the Lebanon mission went wrong.
Back in the 50s Eisenhour sent marines to Lebanon. He kept the mission clean and it was successful. Reagan’s was an abject failure.
“Ohio (20) 49.7 43.7 Obama +6.0″
THAT is the big prize in that list.
Nathaniel does not have the balls to admit that Sarah Palin was wrong about the VP’s role in the Senate.
‘Palin on defensive as scrutiny rises‘
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/23/palin_on_defensive_as_scrutiny_rises/
“Palin is also taking some fire for how she described the role of vice president in answering a question from a third-grader.
In the interview with KUSA-TV in Denver, Palin said the vice president is like a “teammate” to the president. “But also, they’re in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes,” she added.
While the vice president presides over the Senate and breaks tie votes, the position comes with no official policy-making power. The constitutional role of vice president is to step in if the president dies in office, resigns, is removed, or becomes incapacitated.”
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‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
Reagan “cut & ran”?????? wahhahahahah!!!???!!!
Cosmos, she was describing the duties to little kids, in a fashion that they would understand.
Mountain out of a mole hill….
she was describing the duties to little kids, in a fashion that they would understand.
And it was still over cosmos’ head.
Many years a man from the Middle East and I were talking about the ca bombs being usred and he said, “Well, the do not have cruise missiles.”
General Powell cautioned GW about the dangers of being an occupier. GW instead focussed on images of roses being thrown troops who liberated Paris…
No no no. Palin said earlier how she believes the job should have more duties and powers…
Sarah has made it plain she is another power-hungry extremist.
SolDevVB,
The U.S. Constitution is over your head.
I spent the morning doing productive work.
I come back to WE Blog to see the CONs flailing to justify the Moose-Dresser-Dresser’s $150,000-a-month wardrobe.
Yeah, it’s a silly issue.
But it does reveal just how silly issues tend to be in presidential elections.
And frankly, all this “He drank coffee with a former terrorist!” or “His name sounds ‘muslin’!!!” or Joe the (sorta) Plumber…. demeans the importance of the office to which these candidates aspire to.
Monkey says, “Moose-Dresser-Dresser” in the same post as this statement, “…. demeans the importance of the office to which these candidates aspire to.”
WOW.
“ANTI”
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink
Monkey says, “Moose-Dresser-Dresser” in the same post as this statement, “…. demeans the importance of the office to which these candidates aspire to.”
WOW.
You betcha!
If you’re gonna base your campaign on “Joe the Plumber,” somehow “Sarah the Shopper” becomes relevant.
Sarah Palin … Imelda Marcos … Marie Antoinette …
Cassidy: Palin’s wardrobe malfunction
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10795224
“As the credit card commercial says (sort of): spending spree at Neiman Marcus, Barney’s, Atelier and Macy’s? $150,000.
Dressing your Joan the Plumber in designer duds? Clueless.”
‘Obama leading all Midwest states in Big Ten Battleground Poll’
http://www.bigtenpoll.org/
“In September, we saw virtually the entire Big Ten as a battleground. Now Obama is clearly winning the Big Ten battleground. The dominance of the economy as a top issue for voters is the overwhelming story.
Charles Franklin
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Head-to-head results for individual states
Illinois Obama 61% McCain 32%
Indiana Obama 51% McCain 41%
Iowa Obama 52% McCain 39%
Michigan Obama 58% McCain 36%
Minnesota Obama 57% McCain 38%
Ohio Obama 53% McCain 41%
Pennsylvania Obama 52% McCain 41%
Wisconsin Obama 53% McCain 40% “
WOW!
http://www.uniquedaily.com/ron-howards-call-to-action/
Opie Cunningham campaigns for Barack Obama!
This is really cooool . . .
“The constitutional role of vice president is to step in if the president dies in office, resigns, is removed, or becomes incapacitated.”
And preside (be president) of the Senate.. The senate shall choose a president Pro Tempore, in the abscene of the Vice President
So says the Constitution of the United States
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf
Put the sheep to sleep.
(CNN) — A new Republican ad appears to suggest Barack Obama has all but won the presidential race, an argument several vulnerable Senate Republicans may have to reluctantly embrace with only days until Election Day, an expert in campaign advertising said.
Aimed at Kay Hagan, Sen. Elizabeth Dole’s surprisingly strong Democratic challenger in North Carolina, the 30-second spot from the National Republican Senatorial Committee warns voters against Democrats holding the White House and Congress, and flatly states that if Hagan wins, the party with “get a blank check.”
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A new national poll suggests that a majority of U.S. registered voters don’t think most members of Congress deserve to be re-elected, and most of the anger seems directed at Republicans.
Fifty-eight percent of registered voters questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Wednesday said that most members of Congress do not deserve to be re-elected; 37 percent said most members should be returned to office.
“It’s a “throw the bums out” sentiment similar to how the public felt in 1994, when Congress switched to GOP control, and 2006, when Congress switched back to Democratic control,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. Democrats have controlled both houses of Congress for the past two years.
But which bums should be thrown out?
Fifty percent of those questioned said most Democratic members of Congress deserve to be re-elected, but that number drops to 36 percent for Republican lawmakers.
I wonder if mccain’s drafted his concession speech yet.
Obama’s going to show 43 what a mandate really is.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 23, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Permalink
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A new national poll suggests that a majority of U.S. registered voters don’t think most members of Congress deserve to be re-elected, and most of the anger seems directed at Republicans.
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Thanks because the Republican base gets rid of its corrupt, incompetent and crooks.
The Democrats, not so much…
As long as you keep money in the freezer, accept sweetheart loans from Countrywide or get your husband billions of dollars in contracts from the department of the defense while serving on the committee that oversees that…
Ya know…duh Dems never clean up their own house.
And, as I’m sure you are aware, lj, there are/have been a multitude of Presidents pro tem of the U.S. Senate throughout its history. It seems to me that the Senate would rather have “one of its own” in the chair, rather than having the VP there; and most VPs, it seems to me, have been happy to oblige.
Trying to recall times other than State of the Union addresses when I’ve seen the VP in the chair; I recall the time our current VP was there to break a potential tie; I recall VP Gore there to break a tie vote during the Clinton years. Not too much else comes to mind.
avtolle-
As a practice, I agree that the VP generally does not preside over the Senate. However, that seems to be the “Senate way” as opposed to what the Constitution actually says.
I was responding to a post that was defining the
“Constituional role” of the Vice President.
Part of that “Constititional Role” seemed to have been left off.
ALAMOGORDO, N.M. — County and state GOP officials criticized the head of a New Mexico Republican women’s group for calling Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama a “Muslim socialist” and stating that “Muslims are our enemies.”
Marcia Stirman, the head of the Republican Women of Otero County, will be asked to step down, Sassy Tinling, the chairwoman of the Otero County Republican Party, said Wednesday.
In a letter published Tuesday in the Alamogordo Daily News, Stirman wrote that she believes “Muslims are our enemies.” Stirman told The Associated Press in an interview: “I don’t trust them at all. They’ve sworn across the world that they are our enemies. Why we’re trying to elect one is beside me.”
Obama, an American-born Christian, has fought false rumors that he is a Muslim throughout the presidential campaign.
Tinling told KOAT-TV that Stirman’s opinions do not reflect those of the county GOP or the Republican Women of Otero County. The executive director of the Republican Party of New Mexico, Matthew Kennicott, has said Stirman does not speak for the GOP and that her comments do not reflect its values and beliefs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate#Presiding_over_the_Senate
“Like the Vice President, the President pro tempore does not normally preside over the Senate, but typically delegates the responsibility of presiding to junior senators of the majority party.
Frequently, freshmen senators (newly elected members) are allowed to preside so that they may become accustomed to the rules and procedures of the body.”
Sounds like one a fellow traveler of some of the posters here…
Not representative of Republican values or beliefs…
Recent Gallup polls show Mr. McCain running far behind Senator Barack Obama among Hispanic voters nationwide, only 26 percent of whom favor the Republican. The possibility that Mr. McCain can duplicate George W. Bush’s performance among Latinos in 2004, when Republicans won 44 percent of the vote, now seems remote.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/us/politics/23latino.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin
cosmos-
So what. They delegate their Constitutional authority. Doesn;t mean they don;t have it, just means they delegate.
Understood that you were, lj; just posting my thoughts that said additional Constitutional role is not one that most VPs have undertaken on a regular basis.
avtolle-
That does seem to be the practice. Why and how far back that began I would have no idea. Past my lifetime, I am sure. :-)
Vaughn?? Ummm, I dont think the VP would normally sit in that seat he/she sits in at a Staue of the Union address… Since that Address is from the House side of the building… right??
Oops, Chas, you are correct. My error, as the State of the Union address is delivered in the House chambers, as it is larger than the Senate chambers. I’ll administer 30 lashes with a wet noodle forthwith. :-)
USING SUNLIGHT MORE EFFICIENTLY. Researchers at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) in Golden, Colo have developed a way for low-cost solar cells to more efficiently convert sunlight into electricity. The research, which increases the “lifetime” of
electrons created in a solar cell so they can make more electricity, is a possible step in the direction of bringing down the relatively high cost of solar cells. Reducing cost while sustaining efficiency
is the big factor in determining how soon solar power will become a major player in the energy business. Generally you could have good efficiency or low cost but not both. Efficiency refers to the fraction of the sunlight falling on the solar panel that actually
gets converted into useable electricity. And cost refers to the expense of mass-producing the panels in large sheets.
Solar cells have been used in niche markets, such as for powering remote sensors or spacecraft, and are increasingly used for homes and utility applications.
Most of these solar cells are made from crystalline silicon. But for large-scale adoption to occur, the price will have to come down. Currently the cost-per-kilowatt-hour for solar-generated power is several times higher than for generating that power with fossil
fuels. Solar cells mimic nature in the way that it converts sunlight into useful energy. In a green leaf, for example, the incoming sunlight liberates an electron in a molecule of chlorophyll. The electron (and its energy) gets passed from one molecule, eventually being incorporated into building up larger
molecules such as a carbohydrate. In a solar cell the incoming sunlight liberates an electron from a piece of semiconductor. This “excited” electron, if it stays excited, can be incorporated into an electrical current feeding into an external circuit, where it can
flow into a battery or the electric grid. The longer the lifetime of the excited electron, the better the efficiency of the solar cell. Unfortunately, electrons tend to lose their energy when they meet a defect or boundary in the crystals that make up a solar cell.
Until now to get a better excitation lifetime and better efficiency, solar cells needed to be made of higher-priced single crystal materials like silicon or gallium arsenide. These solar cells need lots of complex processing to build, and these costs are not likely to be reduced. Meanwhile, lower-priced solar cells made from thin layers of multi-crystalline materials, such as compounds made of the atoms copper, indium, gallium, and selenium (CIGS), haven’t been
nearly as efficient. The research focused on improving electron lifetimes in solar cells made from multi-crystalline CIGS, and in their research paper, NREL
scientists Wyatt Metzger, Ingrid Repins, and Miguel Contreras announced they have achieved an electron lifetime of 250 billionths of a second. It sounds like a short time, but it is long enough for\ more electrons to contribute to the cell’s electricity, making it dramatically more efficient, yet still low in cost when compared to the high-efficiency silicon solar cells. The results were recently published in the journal Applied Physics Letters. (Phillip F.
Schewe)
Oppsss. . . . http://www.aip.org/pnu
littlejohn,
What it means is that presiding over the Senate is just enforcing the “rules and procedures of the body”.
The person presiding over the Senate does NOT have the power to make policy changes, as Palin falsely claimed (except re a tie vote).
As I posted earlier,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1023/#comment-453822
In PNU (Physics News Update) 875, the work of Jun Ye was incorrectly reported as the world’s best atomic clock. In fact Ye’s strontium clock is one of the most accurate clocks ever produced. It is the most accurate neutral atom clock, but two NIST ion clocks (mercury and aluminum) are better.
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Ha!!!!!!! . . . . sure signs of racism in the physics community!!! Will it never end??????? I mean, come on—- mercury and aluminum better that strontium? Bastids!!!!!
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avtolle
Posted October 23, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
And, as I’m sure you are aware, lj, there are/have been a multitude of Presidents pro tem of the U.S. Senate throughout its history. It seems to me that the Senate would rather have “one of its own” in the chair, rather than having the VP there; and most VPs, it seems to me, have been happy to oblige.
Trying to recall times other than State of the Union addresses when I’ve seen the VP in the chair; I recall the time our current VP was there to break a potential tie; I recall VP Gore there to break a tie vote during the Clinton years. Not too much else comes to mind.
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Didn’t the Goracle have to deliver the certification address for the electoral college in his own bid for Presidency? :D
And with more class than you have had in the whole of your sorry existence there Regular.
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BlueJay
Posted October 23, 2008 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
And with more class than you have had in the whole of your sorry existence there Regular.
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Here, have some more of those sour grapes. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Mayor’s Youth Council Offers Silent Auction
Date: October 22, 2008
Contact: Michelle Stroot
MStroot@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 268-4351
Contact: Schuyler Stump
Phone: (316) 208-3194
The Wichita Mayor’s Youth Council will hold a silent auction fundraiser from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. Thursday, Oct. 30, at On the Border in Bradley Fair, 21st and Rock Road.
Participants will learn about the Mayor’s Youth Council, enjoy dinner and bid on donated gift baskets from businesses like Traditions, Accent Lighting, Twigs, Frou-Frou and
Cocoa Dolce Artisan Chocolates.
The Mayor’s Youth Council Fundraising Committee has organized the event. Members include Schuyler Stump, Committee Chair (Kapaun Mt. Carmel Catholic High School); Lexie Baldwin (East High School); Sharmini Lawless (Northeast Magnet); and Victoria Pitts and Brooke Williams (Heights High School).
The Mayor’s Youth Council is in its first year, working to better the community and a voice for youth. Proceeds of the fundraisers will support other community projects such as the Mayor’s Youth Council Shoe Drive which takes place at area high schools on Oct. 25.
More information about the Mayor’s Youth Council is available at the Mayor’s Youth Council link under City Spotlight at http://www.wichita.gov.
“The Office of the Federal Register coordinates the functions of the Electoral College on behalf of the Archivist of the United States, the States, the Congress, and the American People. The Office of the Federal Register operates as an intermediary between the governors and secretaries of state of the various States and the Congress. It also acts as a trusted agent of the Congress in the sense that it is responsible for reviewing the legal sufficiency of the certificates before the House and Senate accept them as evidence of official State action.”
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html
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Based on the above, I dont believe Regular would be correct in his statement above, regarding Al Gore and the Senate….
School holds surprise ‘Gay’ Day for kindergartners
Parents outraged at public elementary’s secretive ‘coming out’ event
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78829
“SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Some parents are shocked to find their children are learning to be homosexual allies and will participate in “Coming Out Day” at a public elementary school tomorrow – and they claim the school failed to notify parents.
One mother of a kindergartner who attends Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science, a K-8 charter school in Hayward, Calif., said she asked her 5-year-old daughter what she was learning at school.
The little girl replied, “We’re learning to be allies.”
The mother also said a Gay Straight Alliance club regularly meets in the kindergarten classroom during lunch.”
Who the hell is running the school system, oh…I believe I read it’s the liberal Dimocrats.
Um, yeah, because we wouldnt want kids to be educated or tolerant or anything…
Chas
Posted October 23, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink
“The Office of the Federal Register coordinates the functions of the Electoral College on behalf of the Archivist of the United States, the States, the Congress, and the American People. The Office of the Federal Register operates as an intermediary between the governors and secretaries of state of the various States and the Congress. It also acts as a trusted agent of the Congress in the sense that it is responsible for reviewing the legal sufficiency of the certificates before the House and Senate accept them as evidence of official State action.”
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html
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Based on the above, I dont believe Regular would be correct in his statement above, regarding Al Gore and the Senate
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You would be wrong again Chas.
Try learning something about your government, before making such statements and claims.
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AL GORE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Mr. Speaker, members of the Congress, the Senate, and the House of Representatives, pursuant to requirements of the Constitution and the laws of the United States, have met in joint session for the purpose of opening the certificates and ascertaining the counting — ascertaining and counting the votes of the electors of the several states for president and vice president.
After ascertainment has been made that the certificates are authentic and correct in
form, the tellers will count and make a list of the votes cast by the electors of the several states. The tellers on the part of the two Houses will take their respective places at the clerk’s desk: Senator Dodd of Connecticut; Senator McConnell of Kentucky; Congressman Thomas of California; Congressman Fattah of Pennsylvania.
Open the certificates in alphabetical order and pass to the tellers the certificates showing the votes of the electors in each state and the tellers will then read, count, and announce the result in each state.
GORE: Is there objection? Hearing none, the chair now hands to the gentleman from California and the other tellers the certificate of the electors for president…
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0101/06/se.01.html
Jesus WEPT!!!!!!
The wingnuts want to fry obama for saying he would TALK with Iran…
…and bushco plans to do THIS?
Hypocrisy, thy name is….
File it under “too little, too late” to save the republican party.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081023/wl_mcclatchy/3080999
“Who the hell is running the school system, oh…I believe I read it’s the liberal Dimocrats.”
Got a link for the “liberal” democrats part of that, or are you just whining out your ass?
Again?
No wonder he doesnt mind the name bigotbox….
…and World Nut Daily is SUCH an objective news source.
Pitiful. Just pitiful.
Regular, that would not be an action beyond the scope of the VP acting as the President of the Senate (note it is a JOINT Session)…
So, why would you persist that it is beyond the scope of the already aformentioned usual role of the VP as President of the Senate??
Also note, his comment is directed to the Speaker of the House. I presume, since the JOINT Session is held in the House Chamber.
“…Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science, a K-8 charter school in Hayward, Calif….”
Would that be a Public school, or a Private school??
Just wondering… especially since the same reference occurs on another thread besides this one….
“The little girl replied, “We’re learning to be allies.”
Bless her little heart!
The coming generation will be more cooperative than competitive. It’s about time.
Click on my link above to see Ron Howard reprise his roles as Opie and Richie Cunningham (with THE FONZ!) in support of Barack Obama.
Pretty cool.
Hee hee hee heeeeeeee…
Is the mcsame’s admission that he’s going to lose, and planning accordingly?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_election_night
And yet another LOL!
‘[Scott] McClellan endorses Obama’
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/mcclellan_endor.html
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Chas
Posted October 23, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
Regular, that would not be an action beyond the scope of the VP acting as the President of the Senate (note it is a JOINT Session)…
So, why would you persist that it is beyond the scope of the already aformentioned usual role of the VP as President of the Senate??
Also note, his comment is directed to the Speaker of the House. I presume, since the JOINT Session is held in the House Chamber.
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I didn’t persist to any of the aforementioned. I extrapolated the results of tradition and constitutional and applied them to current and past events.
The Vice President stands as the person in charge of seeing that the electoral college vote is certified.
Period.
End of story.
Done.
Finito.
The End.
Regular,
Now explain to us how the VP can “get in there with the senators” and make a lot of policy changes in the U.S. Senate.
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
“But also, they’re in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes.”
An internal document circulating among House Republicans warns of an impending congressional bloodbath, listing 58 Republican-held House seats being at risk, and 11 already considered as good as gone. As many as 34 GOP-held seats are in serious jeopardy of swinging to Democrats, the assessment shows.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081023/pl_politico/14885;_ylt=ArOHcr6RPU38QHdx9gai1Z5h24cA
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 23, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Now explain to us how the VP can “get in there with the senators” and make a lot of policy changes in the U.S. Senate.
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
“But also, they’re in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes.”
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There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents the Vice president ‘to get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes.’
There is a strong convention within the U.S. Senate that the vice president not use his or her position as President of the Senate to influence the passage of legislation or act in a partisan manner, except in the case of breaking tie votes. As President of the Senate.
In other words, it’s convention, not a constitutional emphasis on restriction on what the Vice President can do to influence legislation.
wiki
Grow the economy from the bottom up.
How does that work? I checked my resume and I haven’t gotten a job from a poor person yet. Strange, I must be missing something.
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generaston
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink
Grow the economy from the bottom up.
How does that work? I checked my resume and I haven’t gotten a job from a poor person yet. Strange, I must be missing something.
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Probably a statement from a Democrat George, don’t ya think?
I mean, they think you can plant eggs to grow chickens.
Regular,
So why doesn’t Cheney come out of his undisclosed location, and convince Sen. Reid, and all of the other Democratic Senators, to make a lot of policy changes?
Isn’t Cheney “in charge” of the U.S. Senate?
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
cosmos_originally
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink
Regular,
So why doesn’t Cheney come out of his undisclosed location, and convince Sen. Reid, and all of the other Democratic Senators, to make a lot of policy changes?
Isn’t Cheney “in charge” of the U.S. Senate?
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
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Palin was addressing third graders cosmos.
You know, individuals that are way above your pay grade or level of understanding.
“Palin was addressing third graders cosmos.”
Bzzzzt! Wrong.
The question was submitted by a child but was asked of Palin by a grown man.
Who SHOULD have called Palin on her wrong answer immediately.
BlueJay
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink
“Palin was addressing third graders cosmos.”
Bzzzzt! Wrong.
The question was submitted by a child but was asked of Palin by a grown man.
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BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
WRONG!
The question was submitted by a third grader and explain in a simplistic way to a third grader.
dumb ass
Regular posted October 23, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Palin was addressing third graders cosmos.
You know, individuals that are way above your pay grade or level of understanding.
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Nope. Palin was addressing the viewers of KUSA-TV in Denver CO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KUSA-TV
And many other adult American’s.
‘Palin on defensive as scrutiny rises‘
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/23/palin_on_defensive_as_scrutiny_rises/
“Palin is also taking some fire for how she described the role of vice president in answering a question from a third-grader.”
And everybody on this planet who has an Internet connection.
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
I willing to be that cosmos will spend the next week digging ‘dirt’ on this third grader who posed the question.
Perhaps cosmos will report how the third grader didn’t finish his/her sandwich or cried when he/she skinned his knee.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:30 pm | Permalink
Regular posted October 23, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Palin was addressing third graders cosmos.
You know, individuals that are way above your pay grade or level of understanding.
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Nope. Palin was addressing the viewers of KUSA-TV in Denver CO.
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cosmos lies when he said that Brandon Garcia, a third question didn’t pose the question to Governor Palin.
cosmos is a liar.
er third question = third grader…
Gimp?
Was it a children’s program?
No. It was a child’s question asked by an adult.
Heh HEH HEH!
Tonight’s SNL is the best ever!
Tina Fey MUST get an Emmy!
This just in:
John McCain has just been endorsed by george bush.
I strongly disagree with Obama’s statement made as justification of his plan to tax wealthy Americans in order to give their money to other Americans. Barack said, “I think when you spread the wealth around its good for everybody”. The way you spread wealth around is by fostering a climate for job growth and making opportunities for all Americans to achieve a better life. Not by reaching into the pocket of one American and giving one Americans wealth to another. Pitting one American against another does nothing to improve our lives. It is also an admission that America is no longer the land of opportunity and hope. If the only way Americans can get ahead is by taking from other Americans – what have we become?
Actually, Governor Palin’s concept of the duties of the Vice President is more correct and more in keeping with the Constitution than Biden’s.
In the debate Biden stated:
“Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. The idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.
“And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there’s a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.
“The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he’s part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.”
From Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution:
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.
In short, Palin was right according to the Constitution. Biden on the other hand was wrong. Wrong on almost every thing he said about the duties and authority of the Vice President according to the Constitution. According to the Constitution, the Vice President is in the Legislative Branch. He has an office in the Senate wing of the Capitol building. He gets paid out of the Legislative budget. His duties, responsibilities and authority are outlined in Article 1 of the Constitution, the legislative Article.
Article 2 of the Constitution concerning the Executive Branch says nothing about the duties, responsibilities or authority of the Vice President. Furthermore, Article 2 does not give the President any authority over the Vice President.
In summary, Palin is right, Biden is wrong.
It is also an admission that America is no longer the land of opportunity and hope.
Kind of the way I’VE seen it for some time now. One HOPES this election will change that.
36% on > $250k = McCain’s ‘Country First!
39% on > $250k = Obama’s (and Bill Clinton’s) spreading the wealth around, and SOCIALISM!
Regular posted October 23, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I willing to be that cosmos will spend the next week digging ‘dirt’ on this third grader who posed the question.
Perhaps cosmos will report how the third grader didn’t finish his/her sandwich or cried when he/she skinned his knee.
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WHY would I dig ‘dirt’ on Brandon, who asked a perfectly reasonable question?
The issue is that McCain’s VP pick gave an very incorrect answer.
And Brandon, his family, his class, and intelligent people all over Earth probably realize that Sarah Palin gave an incorrect answer.
They’re also probably wondering why McCain selected someone like her for VP.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
Regular posted October 23, 2008 at 8:35 pm
I willing to be that cosmos will spend the next week digging ‘dirt’ on this third grader who posed the question.
Perhaps cosmos will report how the third grader didn’t finish his/her sandwich or cried when he/she skinned his knee.
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WHY would I dig ‘dirt’ on Brandon, who asked a perfectly reasonable question?
The issue is that McCain’s VP pick gave an very incorrect answer.
And Brandon, his family, his class, and intelligent people all over Earth probably realize that Sarah Palin gave an incorrect answer.
They’re also probably wondering why McCain selected someone like her for VP.
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cosmos, quit airing your ’small penis’ syndrome on the blogs for the nation to see.
Seek help for your insecurities and wild speculations on insignificant tripe.
Yeaaay, NYT endorses Obama, if only the eagle editors, had such wisdom!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081024/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_times_1
JR “Kind of the way I’VE seen it for some time now. One HOPES this election will change that.”
Idiot. You just don’t get it. This election, when Obama wins – will CONFIRM what the poster posted.
The great change is going to be to permanently rob from the rich to give to the poor. To engrain this into our American Way of life by having the lower 50% expect a handout entitlement from those who actually pay taxes – as an entitlement and right.
Obama isn’t running on a bright and prosperous future for all Americans. Obama is running on hate, class wealthfare, and revenge.
He isn’t saying he will create a job for you Bluejay. He is saying he will make those hard working evil rich people give you a handout so you can continue to be drain on society and not a contributor.
Class struggle and social welfare won’t work in the long run. Because those who are working will wise up and join those who are not.
Regular posted October 23, 2008 at 9:11 pm
cosmos, quit airing your ’small penis’ syndrome on the blogs for the nation to see.
Seek help for your insecurities and wild speculations on insignificant tripe.
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Regular posted,
“I’m thinking ol’ Rod needs a hormone check. There’s definitely some shrinkage in the testes.”
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Regular, you seem to be the one that needs “help”.
36% on > $250k = McCain’s ‘Country First!
39% on > $250k = Obama’s (and Bill Clinton’s) SOCIALISM
“He isn’t saying he will create a job for you Bluejay.”
And I aint asking for one.
A “job” is I make money for someone else.
What I seek and find is work.
Maybe you;ll have to cut back on your hobbies there Hank.
Ah, the sad folly of hoping politicians will change your life. In the end, probably too late, they realize that real change must come from inside.
Gov. Palin will just go back to Alaska, I hope.
Saturday Barak the Vote rally 2:30 PM Saturday Riverside Park!!! East side @ Murdock
Here it is ACORN tied to Subprime mess:
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21280809/acorn_revealed.htm?pageid=23003
ACORN=OBAMA
hehehehe
‘Evening, BlueJay,
Maybe, I won’t.
I’m not voting for Obama because I think McCain will be better for the country.
I thought Clinton would be a disaster and he was. He didn’t hurt me any though. I made a lot of money during the Clinton years. I don’t depend on the government.
As soon as I’m sure the stock market has pretty much bottomed out we’ll put 12 grand in a Roth IRA.
If Obama gets elected we’ll move money into alternate energy. When Iran gets the bomb, gas will go to $6 plus a gallon and I’ll make money there.
When the price of diesel fuel tops $8 a gallon I’ll look for a great deal on a diesel pusher motor home.
Nope, I still look at this country as the hope of the world. We survived Clinton, we’ll survive the ‘One’. IF he gets elected!
hehehe
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DavidB
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink
Gov. Palin will just go back to Alaska, I hope.
Saturday Barak the Vote rally 2:30 PM Saturday Riverside Park!!! East side @ Murdock
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I’ll be sure to release my stock of African bees about 2:20 pm then.
Pick a nic Hank.
I haven’t checked the program today, but I think I’m Hank tonight. That’s right isn’t it, AM?
hehehe
Saturday Barak the Vote rally 2:30 PM Saturday Riverside Park!!! East side @ Murdock
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Shouldn’t the Obama supporters have their rally on a week day? It will be a hardship for them to use up a day off from not working to attend a rally!
Regular posted October 23, 2008 at 9:11 pm
cosmos, quit airing your ’small penis’ syndrome on the blogs for the nation to see.
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Regular posted,
“I’m thinking ol’ Rod needs a hormone check. There’s definitely some shrinkage in the testes.”
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Regular,
Do you have “problems”, in those two areas?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/projection
“projection – (psychiatry) a defense mechanism by which your own traits and emotions are attributed to someone else.”
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 23, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Do you have “problems”, in those two areas?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/projection
“projection – (psychiatry) a defense mechanism by which your own traits and emotions are attributed to someone else.”
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No problems at all in any area that concerns mental health.
I just know how to tie ‘your goat’ to the fence post and let people know about it.
A short copy/paste, from the WE Blog archives. . .
“Meanwhile in Philadelphia Obama, the great democrat mulatto messiah, is throwing his grandmother under the bus.”
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 23, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink
A short copy/paste, from the WE Blog archives. . .
“Meanwhile in Philadelphia Obama, the great democrat mulatto messiah, is throwing his grandmother under the bus.”
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What?
No link for such an accurate statement?
Regular posted October 23, 2008 at 10:27 pm
What?
No link for such an accurate statement?
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Obama’s grandmother is gravely ill, and he’s gone to Hawaii to see her.
Possibly for the last time.
If you want the link, then google it, and post it yourself.
Watching Sean Hannity interview Sarah Palin.
SHeesh let spongebob the squarepants interview her.
She can’t even face colmes?
Sarah?
Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow will give you a hearing.
Oh Yeesh Hannity had Fred Thompson’s wife on.
SHE looks younger than me. While Fred is what, neolithic?
You can bet she takes her love to town. Jill Hannity? Do you know where your husband is?
Watching Sean Hannity is a painful experience for any thinking person, no matter who the guest is.
It would be funny if there weren’t large numbers of people who took him seriously and, in general, took such maladroit propaganda seriously.
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Rage
Posted October 24, 2008 at 12:56 am | Permalink
Watching Sean Hannity is a painful experience for any thinking person, no matter who the guest is.
It would be funny if there weren’t large numbers of people who took him seriously and, in general, took such maladroit propaganda seriously.
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Yes, just ask any self-important Lib just how intelligent they are.
It’s a wonder duh Libs have a need for shoulders anymore with all the self-congratulatory patting on the back.
“It(The Office of the Federal Register) also acts as a trusted agent of the Congress in the sense that it is responsible for reviewing the legal sufficiency of the certificates before the House and Senate accept them as evidence of official State action.”
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html
Looks like he Office of the Federal Register is the RESPONSIBLE entity for delivering the certificates to Congress… NOT the VP!!
The role of the VP in that ceremony would be just a normal role of the VP… such as the swearing in of Senators.
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Chas
Posted October 24, 2008 at 1:12 am | Permalink
“It(The Office of the Federal Register) also acts as a trusted agent of the Congress in the sense that it is responsible for reviewing the legal sufficiency of the certificates before the House and Senate accept them as evidence of official State action.”
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html
Looks like he Office of the Federal Register is the RESPONSIBLE entity for delivering the certificates to Congress… NOT the VP!!
The role of the VP in that ceremony would be just a normal role of the VP… such as the swearing in of Senators.
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The post office also act as a delivery service.
Do you even know what the Federal Register is Chas?
It sounds like you don’t and you are making yourself looking more ignorant, if that is even possible.
It’s ALL here, numbskull….
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blessings on our great nation!!
so mote it be!!
HLP
Posted October 23, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink
Saturday Barak the Vote rally 2:30 PM Saturday Riverside Park!!! East side @ Murdock
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“Shouldn’t the Obama supporters have their rally on a week day? It will be a hardship for them to use up a day off from not working to attend a rally!”
To Hank and all other con posters, Obama supports are not dead beats with no jobs. We get up every morning a go to work just like “real americans”.
Unless you want to lose all cerdibility please don’t keep using this same old lame meme.
http://tinyurl.com/68yftz
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Chas
Posted October 24, 2008 at 2:06 am | Permalink
It’s ALL here, numbskull….
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html
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I know what the Federal Register is Chas. I had to review them on a daily basis to look for changes in OSHA and other regulations that may affect industry practices and guidelines.
Let me help you out Chas, once again – from Wiki…
As President of the Senate, the Vice President has two primary duties: to cast a vote in the event of a Senate deadlock and to preside over and certify the official vote count of the U.S. Electoral College.
Ya know, perhaps you don’t remember and wasn’t watching Al Gore when he was before the Senate and the Congress in 2001, but I sure do.
I guess duh Dems were in mourning.
(chortles)
“As President of the Senate, the Vice President has two primary duties: to cast a vote in the event of a Senate deadlock and to preside over and certify the official vote count of the U.S. Electoral College.”
See, that’s why you are WRONG… The VP doesnt CERTIFY anything…. He simply PRESIDES at the official ceremony…. The House and Senate CERTIFY the official vote count… See, your “certification” fetish isnt IN the Constitution as a description of the duties of the VP…. The role of the VP as President of the Senate is merely ceremonial…