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The FBI stated that it doesn’t have the resources to investigate white collar crime…it is “post 9-11 after all.
I guess the folks who had said the FBI “was on the case” for the bankster “bail-out” may have to alter their way of thinking?
Told ya so…
Oh yeah, g’morning.
Multimillionaire who is going to retire in his 30s made his money off of stupid people, referring to those types whose parents paid for their ivy league education and prep school.
“I was in this game for the money,” he continued. “The low hanging fruit, i.e. idiots whose parents paid for prep school, Yale, and then the Harvard MBA, was there for the taking. These people who were (often) truly not worthy of the education they received (or supposedly received) rose to the top of companies such as AIG, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers and all levels of our government.
“All of this behavior supporting the Aristocracy only ended up making it easier for me to find people stupid enough to take the other side of my trades. God bless America.”
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Retiring_hedge_fund_manager_Idiots_made_1019.html
Meanwhile those stupid rich aristocrats who decry socialism but took the $700 billion bailout for the rich gave themselves 10% of that with $70 billion in bonuses. Nice to be rewarded with failure.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/17/executivesalaries-banking
And the Republican party wants to reward them with a tax cut.
Regarding Regular’s RANT last nite >>>>
From FactCheck.org >>>>
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_welfare.html
In concern for fairness >>>>
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_trade_trickery.html
Bad boy, Obama!!
“Conclusion
Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama’s interactions with him. We’re making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never “lied” about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly “radical.” And Ayers is more than a former “terrorist,” he’s also a well-known figure in the field of education.”
– by Viveca Novak and Brooks Jackson
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING >>>>
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
Chas
Posted October 20, 2008 at 3:34 am | Permalink
One more >>>>
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6573406.html
Obama DOES NOT support re-instating the Fairness Doctrine…. My, my —- what a difference to what the Blog riff-raff has been posting!! LOL
Morning. See me at http://www.HerbertWest3rd.com Candidate for Sheriff Miami County Ks and “Write-In” for 12th District Senator/6th District Representative.
Wow….does this guy ever nail it down accurately.
http://townhall.com/columnists/FrankTurek/2008/10/20/the_party_of_god
by Frank Turek:
“Joe Biden recently asked why his Democrat Party isn’t seen as the “Party of God.” He then went on to answer his own question with this stunning observation: it’s because Democrats are “uncomfortable talking about God.” If they would only talk more about God, their party would be seen as the “Party of God.”
So if Bill Clinton had only talked more about monogamy, most voters would have thought he was the model husband?
This is one of the major problems of liberalism—it’s more about what you say than what you do. If you’re Joe Biden, as long as you talk about giving to the poor, you don’t actually have to do so yourself—you can give less than a tenth as much as the average American and then advocate that everyone pay higher taxes because it’s “patriotic” to do so. If you’re Al Gore, as long as you talk about “saving the environment,” you don’t actually have to do anything yourself—you can have a “carbon footprint” twenty times larger than the average American. And if you’re Barack Obama, as long as you talk about reducing the number of abortions, you don’t actually have to do anything to reduce them yourself. In fact, if Obama gets elected, he will do everything he can to increase abortions.
The media allows liberals to get away with this kind of hypocrisy.
Finally, while Obama and the Democrats say they want to help the poor, virtually everything they do makes the plight of the poor worse. Their tax, welfare, and anti-school-choice policies don’t spread wealth, they spread misery. They also spread dependency on Democrats, which may be the ultimate reason why Obama, Biden and the Democrats will never do anything to become the “Party of God.” They’ll only talk about it and hope enough religious voters don’t notice their lack of fruit.”
Townhall? heheheh. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Well, its time for the ol’ Fall Classic… a sure sign that Winter’s not far away!! It should be a good series — Phillies and Rays(formerly Devil Rays)… Good pitching… good “small ball” — Should prove to be exciting!!
Amazing — several posts vanished!!
Gosh Herb — What if you get elected to ALL of those?? How does that work for you??
Hmmmm???
KFG — “Townhall” is one of his favorite authorities…. :roll:
Not ksfarmgrrl again….this early, Gawd!
http://www.longislandfilm.com/images/films/donkey%20oatie%20image.jpg
Republican Voter Registration Chief Arrested for Fraud in California
The head of a voter registration group hired by the California Republican Party was arrested over the weekend for allegedly lying about his address in the state in order to vote illegally, the office of California’s secretary of state announced Sunday.
Mark Anthony Jacoby, the owner of a signature-gathering firm called Young Political Majors, was taken into custody by Ontario police just after midnight Saturday and booked with a felony punishable by up to three years in prison.
more at:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/republican-voter-registration-chief-arrested-fraud-california/
According to The Los Angeles Times, Jacoby’s firm was paid $7 to $12 by the CRP for each GOP voter registration signature, but dozens of voters who signed on said they were duped into registering as Republicans and thought they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.
Voter Registration Fraud ‘08 Scoreboard:
Republicans 1 arrest
Democrats/Acorn 0
Yeah bigotbox. I’m up early working and gettin’ paid. That’s what self employed people do.
And you?
Characters Count
Frank Gaffney | October 06, 2008
Suddenly, the presidential campaigns are addressing an issue that should have been at the forefront of this year’s election long ago. Call it “characters count.” We know people – especially public figures – by the company they keep. And we need to know much more about, to put it charitably, the characters that have figured prominently for years in Barack Obama’s life.
Over the weekend, Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin brought the issue to the fore by observing caustically that the Democrats’ would-be commander-in-chief has “palled around with terrorists.” The Obama campaign immediately deployed talking points and a television ad conjuring up Charles Keating, a one-time friend and supporter of John McCain who was a driving force behind the 1980s-era savings and loan debacle.
The problem for Barack Obama is that convicted – and unrepentant – terrorist William Ayers is not the only person with a profound animosity towards this country with whom he has “palled around” since his youth. It is not, as the Democratic candidate maintains, a distraction or a sign of desperation on the part of his opponents that serious questions are finally being asked about the nature and the implications of the judgment he has exhibited in the past – and may exhibit in the future – as evidenced by his myriad and profoundly troubling personal ties. That is especially the case since so little is known about the junior Senator from Illinois and what he really means by “change.”
Take for example, the formative influence in Barack Obama’s youth that he calls in his memoirs simply “Frank.” As it happens, the Frank in question was Frank Marshall Davis, a well-known Stalinist Communist in Hawaii whose attachment to the Soviet Union and hatred for an America he loathed as racist and imperialistic caused the FBI to keep him under surveillance for at least 19 years. Evidently, young Obama and his father spent hours in the company of this mentor, presumably soaking in not only his alcohol but his virulent hostility towards America.
We now know that a similar view was espoused routinely from the pulpit of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ. Sen. Obama maintains that somehow he had not heard any of Wright’s loathing of this country – epitomized by the latter’s notorious plea, “God damn America.” When confronted with evidence of it, he could not bring himself to disassociate from his pastor of twenty years until that tie properly threatened to scupper his candidacy during the Democratic primaries.
Thanks to the intrepid Stanley Kurtz, we also have learned of Sen. Obama’s longstanding ties to another fixture of the radical left, one emblematic of its enmity towards an America seen as oppressive and racist: the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (better known as ACORN). Obama trained ACORN personnel, worked with its activists on the group’s (often problematic) voter-registration efforts and consulted with its most aggressive operatives. Preeminent among the latter has been one Madeline Talbott.
Obama also secured, through his position on the Woods Fund and Chicago Annenberg Challenge boards (he served on the former with Bill Ayers), funding for ACORN’s intimidation campaigns against banks that failed to make sub-prime style loans to otherwise ineligible would-be homeowners. As Kurtz put it in the New York Post,”It would be tough to find an ‘on the ground’ community organizer more closely tied to the subprime-mortgage fiasco than Madeline Talbott. And no one has been more supportive of Madeline Talbott than Barack Obama.”
To the extent that the economic effects of the sub-prime meltdown makes Charles Keating’s S&L raid on the Treasury look like a church social, Obama should be careful about casting stones in that direction.
Even more worrisome from a national security perspective are some of Obama’s ties to prominent figures in the world of radical Islam. These include another racist black nationalist, Don Warden, who converted to Islam and changed his name to Khalid al-Mansour. According to Kenneth Timmerman in Newsmax, al-Mansour has worked closely to advance the influence operations in America of one of Saudi Arabia’s most insidious royal billionaires, Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. The latter has appreciated for some time the help America’s higher education institutions could give his Islamist “soft jihad” – the effort to legitimate and insinuate Islamic law (Shariah) into this country. Toward that end, he has bought leading Middle East studies programs, notably at Georgetown and Harvard University, and reportedly helped advance Obama’s candidacy to the latter’s law school.
Then, there is the case of Rashid Khalidi, a former colleague of Obama’s at the University of Chicago and now a professor at Columbia. Khalidi is an enthusiastic supporter of the Palestinians, fervent critic of Israel (which he calls a destructive “racist” state), an admirer of suicide bombers and a driving force behind the Arab American Action Network (AAAN). This so-called pro-Palestinian “community organization” in Chicago is another beneficiary of the largesse of the Obama-Ayers team at the Woods Fund and promotes an agenda that would horrify many of Obama’s Jewish supporters.
Tuesday’s town-hall style debate between Barack Obama and John McCain offers the public an opportunity to explore a basic question: Have these and similar influences on Sen. Obama’s life in fact been influential – and, if so, will they translate into personnel, policies and practices that are inimical to our country, its people and security if he is elected?
We have a need to know. Characters count.
ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN
The links:
http://www.gop.com/obamaacorntree/?sid=google&t=rncgeneral&r=ObamaAcornTree
Mornin’ ksfarmgrrl. “Bigotbox” is a lot nicer than what I was going to say.
lindakinks55 and mxyzptlk,
Yeah, can we get an FBI and DOJ investigation into THAT, please? Looks like they falsely claimed THOUSANDS of California voters as Republicans.
How about “Family Guy” last night! Stewie and Brian go back in time to Warsaw in 1939 to rescuse their neighbor Morty, and in the course of comandeering Nazi uniforms to make good their escape, Stewie discovers that HIS uniform sports a McCain/Palin button.
http://www.hollywoodtoday.net/2008/10/20/%E2%80%98family-guy%E2%80%99-likens-mccain-and-palin-to-nazis/
Dear Repuke bitches: if the jackboot fits, wear it.
So if character counts, why would you want to elect a man who left his wife after she was disfigured in a car accident, and then got a marriage license with the woman he had an affair with and did it BEFORE the divorce from his first wife was final?
If character counts, why would you associate with this friend of convicted felon G Gordon Liddy?
IOKIYAAR I guess…
October 20, 2008 8:10 AM
ACORN’s White Horse
Obama to the rescue.
By Andrew C. McCarthy
This is rich.
Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign is complaining to the Justice Department about the attention being focused on the determined effort by ACORN, Obama’s wholly owned vote-fraud division, to steal the 2008 election. Adding ignorance to gall, the campaign demands that what it calls a “Special Prosecutor” must investigate not ACORN but — you guessed it — the McCain campaign and the Bush administration.
The art form to which chutzpah has been raised in this instance is a letter from the Obama campaign’s top lawyer, Robert Bauer of the Perkins Coie law firm in Washington. Of course these days, due to the intricate web of traps for the unwary known as “campaign finance regulations” — for which Sen. McCain has no one but himself to blame — all candidates for high office need legal teams. Obama, though, is a special case.
When not scorching the earth to destroy ordinary citizens who have the temerity to ask the messiah blunt questions, or threatening political opponents with prosecution for campaigning against him, or promising war crimes investigations against the opposition party if Americans are daft enough to put his toadies in charge of the Justice Department, Obama comrades can be found editing the amendments to the last modification of their most recently restated campaign-finance reporting errors.
One day the candidate is taking money hand over fist from fictitious supporters like “Good Will” and “Doodad Pro.” The next day, he is illegally raising funds from foreigners (perhaps more than a staggering $63 million), including from Palestinians — who figure a candidate who pours tens of thousands of dollars into the coffers of a terror-supporting former PLO spokesman like Rashid Khalidi is a safe bet to make a prophet out of Jesse Jackson. On still other days, Obama finds himself having to explain his campaign’s misrepresentation of the $800,000 payday it gave his old pals at ACORN.
ACORN, the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, is essentially a Marxist shakedown outfit. One of its main rackets is election fraud — but it can also be very helpful if you happen to be a Leftist activist who finds himself needing, say, to foment a riot, vandalize public property, shut down legislative hearings or opposition conferences, harass the families of elected officials, extort leave-us-alone pay-offs from banks, promote illegal immigration, or the like.
Like ACORN, Obama is a community organizer in the Saul Alinsky radical mode, and he goes way back — two decades back — with the organization. He represented ACORN as a lawyer, taught “organizing” to ACORN’s up and coming rabble-rousers, colluded with ACORN in Chicago “get out the vote” projects, funded ACORN when he sat on the boards of left-wing charities, and exploited ACORN’s enthusiastic support when he won his senate seat in 2004 — a victory the “non-partisan” ACORN can’t help itself but claim credit for.
THE SPECIAL-PROSECUTOR CANARD
And now, as the heat has been turned up on ACORN for tossing what little caution it has ever had to the wind as it goes into overdrive on Obama’s behalf, The One himself is riding to the rescue. In an Orwellian brush-back pitch, the Obama campaign demands that DOJ investigate the McCain campaign and Bush Justice Department officials for what it portrays as the trumpeting of “unsupported, spurious allegations of vote fraud.”
Before we get to that last farcical assertion (by the guy who wants to be responsible for enforcing federal law, no less), Obama ought to be embarrassed by the sheer stupidity the letter conveys.
Bauer addresses his complaints to both Attorney General Michael Mukasey and Connecticut U.S. Attorney Nora Dannehy. Why Dannehy? Because, according to Bauer, she is the “Special Prosecutor” appointed by Mukasey to investigate whether crimes were committed in connection with President Bush’s firing of nine U.S. attorneys. “The appointment of a Special Prosecutor was necessary,” Obama’s legal beagle opines, “because the Department’s leadership was the focus of the investigation and unable to credibly undertake an independent, professional and credible inquiry.”
Wrong. Glenn Fine, the DOJ inspector-general appointed by President Clinton and retained by President Bush (since keeping George Tenet on at CIA was apparently not enough), issued a Democrat-pleasing report calling for an investigation of the already mega-investigated U.S. attorney firings — notwithstanding that the president’s termination of executive branch appointees is not a crime. Mukasey responded by selecting Dannehy to lead the probe. But Dannehy is not a “Special Prosecutor.”
but dozens of voters who signed on said they were duped into registering as Republicans and thought they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.
Voter Registration Fraud ‘08 Scoreboard:
Republicans 1 arrest
Democrats/Acorn 0
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WOW, must be the same people who didn’t know they were buying a house. “What do you mean there are payments, isn’t the Guvment giving me this house??”
Voter Registration Fraud ‘08 Scoreboard:
Search Warrants
Republicans 0
Democrats/Acorn 8 or 9??
Number of Dallas Cowboys registered:
Republicans 0
Democrats/Acorn 11
Instead, because the investigation involves officials who worked in Washington at either Main Justice or the White House, the attorney general determined it would raise potential conflicts of interest to assign a prosecutor from Main Justice or the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington. As is routinely the case in such circumstances, the investigation was given to a veteran prosecutor from another district, in this case, Connecticut. The investigation, however, is still being done by the Justice Department. Dannehy is not independent. She reports to the deputy attorney general (which is standard — all district U.S. attorneys report to the DAG). The DAG reports to Mukasey. The Justice Department is not recused from the investigation (as it was, for example, when Patrick Fitzgerald prosecuted Scooter Libby or when Lawrence Walsh investigated Iran-Contra).
One has to figure that Obama, a U.S. senator running for president, and his hot-shot Washington lawyer grasp the elementary difference between “independent” and “not independent.” So why publicly file a letter that is so wildly off base? Obviously because the letter is a political document, not a legal one.
Obama clearly hopes to discredit the multiple ongoing investigations of ACORN by tainting DOJ with the Democrats’ trumped up claim that empty GOP allegations of election fraud prompted the U.S. attorney firings. The thin reed for this is David Iglesias, the U.S. attorney in New Mexico who was dismissed after the state’s top Republicans complained that he was not moving on vote-fraud cases.
The claim won’t wash. To begin with, it’s not even accurate as to Iglesias. Obama’s lawyer suggests that election fraud “did not exist” in New Mexico; in fact, what Iglesias found was that whatever fraud his office had learned about could not be reached by federal law. That’s because, as Bauer conveniently fails to mention, elections — even federal elections — are state-run affairs. Absent strong evidence of an interstate scheme of fraud or, say, use of the U.S. mails to carry out the fraud, election improprieties do not violate federal law no matter how clear they may be.
OBAMA & ACORN, ATTACHED AT THE HIP
Which brings us to ACORN. Obama’s longtime ally is now being investigated in at least 14 different states for election fraud. Cynically, Obama is banking on the fact that most people don’t grasp the state/federal distinction. By taking aim at the Justice Department, his letter obscures the fact that the numerous investigations of ACORN have been undertaken not by DOJ but by state authorities — and in some instances by Democrat law-enforcement officials who find themselves unable to turn a blind-eye to ACORN’s blatant tactics.
For example, in Nevada, where ACORN appears to have submitted thousands of phony voter registrations — including filings on behalf of the Dallas Cowboys’ star players — the FBI participated with other agencies in a raid on ACORN’s Las Vegas office. But the investigation is being run by state authorities, not the feds.
The choice to use the Cowboys makes perfect sense, for when it comes to fraud, ACORN truly is America’s Team. As Jim Hoft details in a useful Pajamas Media account, “The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud,” state agencies are examining ACORN’s activities not just in Nevada but in North Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, Connecticut, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, Michigan, and New Mexico (where Iglesias may be gone but ACORN is alive and well).
This year alone, ACORN has filed 1.3 million voter registrations, and already — without thorough scrutiny by forensic law-enforcement investigators — tens of thousands of them are known to be fraudulent. The group, moreover, is known to have bribed voters to register dozens of times and to have hired convicted felons as registration recruiters.
Interestingly, ACORN’s Nevada program is known as “Project Vote.” As detailed by Steve Gilbert at Sweetness & Light, Project Vote has long been ACORN’s “voter mobilization” arm. In 1992, it was directed in Chicago by a young “community organizer” named Barack Obama. The resulting registration of 150,000 new voters became the springboard for his political career. As observed about Obama’s efforts by top ACORN agitator Madeline Talbott (a staunch proponent of the lawlessness ACORN euphemistically calls “direct action”): “Barack has proven himself among our members. He is committed to organizing, to building a democracy. Above all else, he is a good listener, and we accept and respect him as a kindred spirit, a fellow organizer.”
ACORN is not just carrying out voter fraud in the here and now. Over the years, as Hoft recounts, several its operatives have been convicted for these activities. And how could it be otherwise? What voters need to understand is that ACORN is a revolutionary Leftist organization. It was founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke, a former member of the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) — the Communist organization from which Bill Ayers’ Weatherman terrorist group split off in the late Sixties. It is adherent to the radical principles of Saul Alinsky, of whom Obama is a disciple — in fact, he authored a chapter in an anthology called After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois.
Under the aforementioned heading of “direct action,” ACORN has made fraud, extortion, harassment, and menacing core parts of its modus operandi. As a matter of principle, ACORN believes that the established bourgeois American order is racist, materialist, imperialist and illegitimate. ACORN no more cares about election laws than about other laws it decides must be circumvented in the service of the higher purpose it reveres: “Change.”
For nearly 20 years, Obama and ACORN have been attached at the hip. And now he rides to ACORN’s rescue.
— National Review’s Andrew C. McCarthy chairs FDD’s Center for Law & Counterterrorism and is the author of Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad (Encounter Books 2008).
American Way,
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Chas
In reference to FactCheck.org. Take them with a grain of salt. They are rather biased, or intentionally ignorant of the facts sometimes.
Remember that they are funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly an unbiased benefactor.
Some of their stuff has been just plain wrong this election season.
Heh CF. And a good morning to you too!
Bigotbox came from my reply to him after yet another of his homophobic anti gay, anti woman, anti self employed rants. You know, you’ve seen ‘em a hundred times, but you may have overlooked this one due to the camo of excessive spittle and froth.
Anyway..
He said he didnt mind being called a bigot because it meant he was standing up for a principle. The principle of bigotry, as was obvious from his usual rants.
So.. since he said he didnt mind, I thought I’d go ahead and call him by his rightful name.
Bigot.
And now, you know the REST of the story.
Privately? I call him pathetic. Or as Tracy would say..”pitiful. Just pitiful”.
But I am LMAO at these wingnuts and their obvious terror at having a brown skin man win the presidency….
Gosh Gene. 8 or 9 search warrants and no arrests?
Looks like Obama’s right in calling in a special prosecutor to look at the phoney charges the Republicans are making.
As it STILL stands after 8/9 search warrants on Acorn:
Voter Registration Fraud ‘08 Scoreboard:
Republicans 1 arrest
Democrats/Acorn 0
The ACORN brownshirts are marching to Washington.
United Socialist States of Acorn
Heil Obama!
But I am LMAO at these wingnuts and their obvious terror at having a brown skin man win the presidency….
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I am LMAO that you are truly ignorant enough to believe that is the reason we don’t want him as President…Take your white guilt somewhere else, I am not buying it.
Calm down AmWay before you pee your pants.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 20, 2008 at 8:23 am | Permalink
Voter Registration Fraud ‘08 Scoreboard:
Republicans 1 arrest
Democrats/Acorn 0
mxyzptlk is either a liar or uninformed.
Which is mxyzptlk before I post links.
If character counts for so much shouldn’t McCain have considered NOT using those same political operatives who savaged him in 2000 as his closest advisers? These are the exact same people who have over the last eight years run our country into the ground. And that’s who McCain surrounds himself with. If character counts so much… Maybe the old coot forgot 2000, it was almost a full eight years ago. Maybe he has forgotten what happened yesterday. He does seem to attempt a remake of himself regularly.
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Chas
Posted October 20, 2008 at 6:37 am | Permalink
Regarding Regular’s RANT last nite >>>>
From FactCheck.org >>>>
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_welfare.html
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That ranting was from a University Law Professor specializing in taxes.
I guess since the invesstigation is just starting and in 8 or 9 states, it probably will be awhile before arrests come in.
I’m sorry did I miss something? I don’t seem to recall McCain or Palin making any speeches or statements against obama because of his skin color. (I’d thought I would have heard about it on the news.) When did this happen in that CF2K is declaring them racists???
Flying? – Look Out
TSA agent steals $200K worth of gear, resells it on eBay
Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:43PM EDT
The TSA reached a mind-boggling new low in customer service this week when it was revealed that one agent had single-handedly absconded with over $200,000 worth of travelers’ belongings, primarily cameras and laptops, and proceeded to unload his booty on eBay. His latest haul: A near-$50,000 camera that an HBO employee had been traveling with.
The culprit is one Pythias Brown, a New Jersey resident who worked in the TSA department at Newark Liberty Airport. Finally busted, police discovered an inventory of 66 cameras, 31 laptops, assorted jewelry, and more when they searched his home. How’d he finally get caught? Brown snagged a camera belonging to CNN, and they found it for sale on eBay, where Brown had been converting the gear into cash.
State GOP leaders accuse ACORN of vote fraud
by GARRY LENTON, Of The Patriot-News Friday October 10, 2008, 11:26 AM
State Republican leaders are accusing a community-based group it claims has links to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, of deliberately filing fraudulent voter registration forms across the state.
Voter registration officials in Harrisburg, Philadelphia and Allegheny County have reported problems with registrations filed on behalf of voters by the Association of Community Organizations, or ACORN. State Republican Party chairman Robert Gleason said the number of fake registrations is in the thousands and said the situation has “the potential for massive fraud.”
A York man employed part-time by ACORN was arrested Saturday and charged with submitting more than 100 bogus registrations over eight days in June. The man was fired when ACORN learned of the discrepancy.
Dauphin County investigators said Luis F. Torres-Serrano, 37, of the 400 block of George St., York, was working part time for ACORN and turned in bogus registration forms, apparently to justify his paycheck, said Chief County Detective John Goshert.
State GOP leaders accuse ACORN of vote fraud
by GARRY LENTON, Of The Patriot-News Friday October 10, 2008, 11:26 AM
State Republican leaders are accusing a community-based group it claims has links to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, of deliberately filing fraudulent voter registration forms across the state.
Voter registration officials in Harrisburg, Philadelphia and Allegheny County have reported problems with registrations filed on behalf of voters by the Association of Community Organizations, or ACORN. State Republican Party chairman Robert Gleason said the number of fake registrations is in the thousands and said the situation has “the potential for massive fraud.”
A York man employed part-time by ACORN was arrested Saturday and charged with submitting more than 100 bogus registrations over eight days in June. The man was fired when ACORN learned of the discrepancy.
Dauphin County investigators said Luis F. Torres-Serrano, 37, of the 400 block of George St., York, was working part time for ACORN and turned in bogus registration forms, apparently to justify his paycheck, said Chief County Detective John Goshert.
Ah! Acorn. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
OHH let me guess. Because of the probably .02 percent in this country that would still not vote for someone because he is black, ALL of us conservatives are racist. Is that it???
What am I saying of course it is. Just because I want my country’s borders secured, I was a racist then to.
Has nothing to do with obama’s socialist/marxist leanings that I spent 8 years in the military fighing against. That obama just wants me to keep paying that tax money so he can give it away, has nothing to do with it. I’m just a racist.
Wow and I thought the left, liberal, progressive was open minded and understanding and allowed views of all kinds. Guess not, if the views are different from theirs.
mxyzptlk
I see you have aspirations of being just like XXX.
Utterly clueless or a liar.
And for those who say it doesn’t matter if Mickey Mouse registered to vote fifty times (as if that itself is NOT a crime), here is a case of someone caught voting more than once:
Calhoun County, Fla:
One Liberty County resident was arrested in September for allegedly voting twice in the primaries.
Authorities with the Calhoun County Sheriff’s Office say 41 year old Joey Harold Bright voted once in Liberty County then again in Calhoun County. Bright told Calhoun election officials he was no longer a registered voter in Calhoun County, but was a land owner. Bright then voted on a provisional ballot, but didn’t put his signature.
According to the report, Bright even called the Supervisor of Elections Office to make sure his vote counted. Calhoun Supervisor of Elections Margie Laramore then discovered that he was a registered voter in Liberty County and voted there on an absentee ballot. The Calhoun County Canvassing Board rejected Bright’s provisional ballot as illegal.
Bright was arrested September 29th and is charged with voter fraud a third degree felony. He’s now out of jail, but will face a judge November 5th. If convicted, Bright could receive up to five years in prison.
Now either a person has character or they “catch it” from those nearby. If it’s contagious and you might “catch” lack of character as easily, what safeguards have you put in place to ensure your safety, AmWay?
Poor Cosmos-
Blow to image of ‘green’ reusable nappy
A government report that found old-fashioned reusable nappies damage the environment more than disposables has been hushed up because ministers are embarrassed by its findings.
The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) has instructed civil servants not to publicise the conclusions of the £50,000 nappy research project and to adopt a “defensive” stance towards its conclusions.
The report found that using washable nappies, hailed by councils throughout Britain as a key way of saving the planet, have a higher carbon footprint than their disposable equivalents unless parents adopt an extreme approach to laundering them.
To reduce the impact of cloth nappies on climate change parents would have to hang wet nappies out to dry all year round, keep them for years for use on younger children, and make sure the water in their washing machines does not exceed 60C.
The conclusions will upset proponents of real nappies who have claimed they can help save the planet.
Restricted Whitehall documents, seen by The Sunday Times, show that the government is so concerned by the “negative laundry options” outlined in the report, it has told its media managers not to give its conclusions any publicity.
The report found that while disposable nappies used over 2½ years would have a global warming , impact of 550kg of CO2 reusable nappies produced 570kg of CO2 on average. But if parents used tumble dryers and washed the reusable nappies at 90C, the impact could spiral to . 993kg of CO2 A Defra spokesman said the government was shelving plans for future research on nappies.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4969413.ece
Media Bias?
York man employed part-time by ACORN was arrested Saturday and charged with submitting more than 100 bogus registrations over eight days in June. The man was fired when ACORN learned of the discrepancy.
Dauphin County investigators said Luis F. Torres-Serrano, 37, of the 400 block of George St., York, was working part time for ACORN and turned in bogus registration forms, apparently to justify his paycheck, said Chief County Detective John Goshert.
Why is the above not in the news? But the one in LA is?
Seems even your post at 9:08 proves the person attempting voter fraud was caught. You keep onandon with proving that perpetrators are caught. Why aren’t you celebrating this great news? Let’s go catch some more and help further to ensure an election that is closer to being fair and above board.
leave no stone unturned! We see the good news that some are caught, let’s catch them all!
Hee hee hee heeeeeee
Like CF always says, if the hood fits…
Does this mean we can call the dems racist because they didn’t think it was okay to give 26 million Iraqi’s the ability to govern themselves or free them from the rape rooms and the mass graves and the Iraqi Secret Police?
You dems sure are racist against muslims and middle easterners.
Isn’t it wonderful that American_Way brings so much good news to our blog!?
Story after story of how those who attempt fraud are caught!
“what safeguards have you put in place to ensure your safety”
Birds of a feather flock together.
I don’t hang with known drug abusers, terrorists, murderers, criminals who commit mortgage fraud, and my minister never once said, “God Damn America!@”
The ‘Race Hustlers’ are the KKK of today. They do far more damage to minorities than good. Be proud KFG and C3PO, wear your ‘RH’ badge proudly and keep creating more tension between the races to further your agendas.
People like you help to further divide Americans by creating hatred and tension, stoking the old embers of decades past to keep the fire going.
You are disgusting.
“Remember that they are funded by the Annenberg Foundation, hardly an unbiased benefactor.” [Heckler]
As usual, you are terribly uninformed…. Do you even know who/what the Annenberg Fundation is??? I doubt that seriously….
Heckler, do you read much???
“Copyright © 2003 – 2008 Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
FactCheck.org’s staff, not the Annenberg Center, is responsible for this material.”
http://www.factcheck.org
Just love it when the chicken farmer lesie unloads on me…..means I’ve managed to get under her skin.
Pretty ugly thick skin too, I imagine.
(Senator Obama is) a “decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States.”
“I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments. I just mean to say you have to be respectful” -John McCain Oct 10, 2008
(trying to soothe poor AmWay’s fevered brow)
They left way too soon.
On Thursday, October 20, 1977, just three days after the release of Street Survivors, and four dates into their most successful headlining tour to date, Lynyrd Skynyrd’s chartered Convair 240 developed mechanical difficulties near the end of their flight from Greenville, South Carolina to LSU in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Though the pilots attempted an emergency landing on a small airstrip, the plane ran out of fuel and crashed in a forest near Gillsburg, Mississippi. Ronnie Van Zant, Steve Gaines, Cassie Gaines, assistant road manager Dean Kilpatrick, pilot Walter McCreary and co-pilot William Gray were all killed on impact
31 years ago and the music lives on
Linda, of course you make fun.
I’m sure you were laughing when Bush stole the election too?
Of course Bush only won Florida by 1,665 votes or 537 depending upon how many chads you count.
Already in Ohio alone there are 200,000 questionable ballots.
I guess it gives new meaning to the phrase, “every vote counts”.
Did BlueJay fly into a sliding glass door or did a cat get him?
“Vote fraud is a serious crime,” King said in a statement. “It is not a crime agaisnt just an individual voter or a particular candidate. It is a crime against democracy, itself.
Let’s watch the mouth about my friend farmgrrl there Boxlock.
Otherwise I might be obliged to call you out.
“…charged with submitting more than 100 bogus registrations over eight days in June.”
If they found the ‘more than 100 bogus’ registrations, then those registrations wont be available at any polling place… AND, thje guy who submitted them was ARRESTED, and FIRED(by ACORN) — seems ACORN doesnt WANT any lawbreakers on their staff, eh??
Chas
“Do you even know who/what the Annenberg Fundation is??? I doubt that seriously…. ”
I know they funnel money to the Brady Center for the banishment of guns. I know they funneled money to Bill Ayers for some of his wacko Marxist “education” programs in Chicago. I know they funnel a lot of money to Leftwing causes. That makes the objectivity of anyone recieving funds from them just a little suspect.
Let’s face there always has been and always will be voter fraud on both sides.So it is just the pot calling the kettle black,both parties are guilty
Well now Linda, AmWay has only posted the same guy three times and he was just a guy working part time trying to boost his paycheck. Not quite the same as the HEAD of Acorn as in the case I cited where the HEAD of a Republican voter drive was arrested and charged.
Still:
Voter Registration Fraud ‘08 Scoreboard:
Republicans 1 arrest
Democrats/Acorn 0
Past and present voter fraud by ACORN:
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
I haven’t made fun of anything! I’m right there with you — outraged that our election won’t be honest and fair! I celebrate all those who are caught. And, I appreciate you bringing all these news stories about catching those scoundrels to our little WEBlog.
Nice try AmWay. Thanks for playing!!!
Damn, I see he’s still fluttering/squawking around…
“ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN’s Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don’t explicitly require it, because “only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application.” But ACORN says that it first flags all suspicious registrations. Staffers call the phone numbers written on completed registration forms to make sure they’re valid and also take note of incomplete or duplicate forms. The group says that it alerts election officials to forms that look fishy when it sends them in.”
http://www.factcheck.org
B.J.
More of what some would consider a less than veiled reference to confrontation or violence.
Keep it up.
After all your work at keeping WEBlog informed of the good efforts to catch those who would commit fraud, relax a minute. You’ve deserved to have fun. Here is a little game of “cat bowling.”
Click Here: Check out ‘MPR933.COM’
Well, sorry. I just proved (AGAIN!) how computer illiterate I am. It was fun, I’m sure you’ll receive it from someone in an email. ‘Tis the season.
mxyzptlk
You are welcome. I’m always available to point out your lies or inaccurate postings. Those posters become scroll over.
Leave it to you to never admit you are wrong. (I have many times when I am proven to be so.)
There are many safeguards in place to insure a fair election (though national standards on electronic voting machines should be implemented. Grrrrr).
No one is going to show up at the polls and show 100 voter cards and vote hundred times.
No one is going to arrive at the polls and say, “My name is Mickey Mouse and I’m here to vote.”
One has to wonder why the Republican National Committee and Fox News are doing their best to make people fear and mistrust the process…
The organization in question is flagging phony forms they discover – with a cover letter – for election officials to better scrutinize. And they are required by law to turn in ALL collected forms.
I can’t recall the last time I saw our local election officials out registering people…
Actually Amway you committed fraud by reporting the same fraud case three times.
Still waiting for you to supply us with ACORN arrests.
Heckler
Posted October 20, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink
Chas
“Do you even know who/what the Annenberg Fundation is??? I doubt that seriously…. ”
I know they funnel money to the Brady Center for the banishment of guns. I know they funneled money to Bill Ayers for some of his wacko Marxist “education” programs in Chicago. I know they funnel a lot of money to Leftwing causes. That makes the objectivity of anyone recieving funds from them just a little suspect.
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Just as I thought… You dont know much… Every one of your accusations have been debunked… Try Snopes.com, or factcheck.org… And this time READ the disclaimer at the bottom of the factcheck web site…
p.s. — I will hold off on the Brady group… But, hey, it isnt illegal to be in favor of gun control… it isnt even UnAmerican… nattering nabob of negativism
“flagging phony forms they discover ”
And not flagging those they don’t want to discover.
Your posts are hollow. ACORN convictions support intentional fraud by this organization.
You try to candy coat it.
Here is a photograph of Walter Annenberg and one of his Marxist cohorts!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Annenbergs_with_Ronald_Reagan_1981_cropped.jpg
“One has to wonder why the Republican National Committee and Fox News are doing their best to make people fear and mistrust the process…” [DavidB]
David, dont you know that is one of the foundational concepts of how to get the attention of people you want to follow your ways??? Check out Alinsky…. Only, here, its the RNC and Faux Noise doing it!!
Chas
Good God but you are dense sometimes. Sorry, but I don’t have the time to part the clouds for you today Buddy.
2008
MI: The Michigan Secretary of State told the press in September that Acorn had submitted “a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications.” Earlier this month, Nevada’s Democratic Secretary of State Ross Miller requested a raid on Acorn’s offices, following complaints of false names and fictional addresses (including the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys).[13]
PA: An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
CT: Officials in Connecticut are investigating ACORN after the name of a 7 year old girl was found on a registration card as a 27 year old.[14]
OH: A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.[15]
PA: In March 2008, Philadelphia officials sought an investigation into ACORN’s voter registration program because they “were fed up with false applications gumming up the works” and “specifically accused” ACORN of turning in bad paperwork
LA: In June 2008, a Project Vote spokesman acknowledged that 35 percent of the cards turned into Louisiana officials were duplicates. One woman, for instance, had five cards turned in for her, though she didn’t complete them.
PA: On July 6, 2008, authorities in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania announced the investigation of more than 100 voter registration cards submitted by ACORN, including instances where voters say they never filled out a document.
NV: On July 7, 2008 the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that a Clark County, Nevada official “sees rampant fraud in the 2,000 to 3,000 registrations ACORN turns in every week.”.[16]
2007
OH: A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
WA: Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive. The following is a portion of the complaint filed against ACORN filed by Washington State Senior Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Stephen Hobbs on July 16, 2007:
2006
MO: Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
2005
CO: Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
NM: Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. “Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia.”[17]
2004
MN: During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.[18]
OH: A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
NM: An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.
CO: An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times
Before 2004
The history of voter registration problems by ACORN and Project Vote extends back further than 2004. In 2003 ACORN submitted 5379 voter registration cards in St. Louis and only 2013 appeared to be valid. At least 1000 of these were believed to have been attempts to register voter illegally. In 1998 a Project Vote contractor in Arkansas apparently falsified 400 voter registration cards and was arrested[19].
mxyzptlk
Posted October 20, 2008 at 9:40 am | Permalink
Still waiting for you to supply us with ACORN arrests.”
I already did.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1020/#comment-451098
Your lack of comprehension or reading ability leads me to believe your earlier post on zero arrests of ACORN was out of ignorance and not a deliberate lie.
Do we still count only 11 convictions (yawn) of form takers – for the millions of new voters brought into the process?
Also David, lets not forget this one >>>>
“Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. …voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.[41]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring#Quotations
Heckler
Posted October 20, 2008 at 9:44 am | Permalink
Chas
Good God but you are dense sometimes. Sorry, but I don’t have the time to part the clouds for you today Buddy.
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I just debunked your whole line, and you call ME Dense??? Are you drinking this early??? Criminies!!!
MonkeyHawk brought this to our attention a few days ago. It’s a good piece to read again and remain grounded while those around you lose their cool. ;-)
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A Mighty Hoax From ACORN Grows
“…ACORN “election fraud” story is one of those urban legends, like fake moon landings and alligators in the sewers, and it appears three or four weeks before every recent national election with the regularity of the swallows returning to Capistrano. First, the basics: ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is an activist group working with low- and moderate-income families to, among many other things, register voters. To do this, they hire people to go around signing up the unregistered, killing two birds with one stone – giving employment to people who need it (some with criminal records) and providing the opportunity to vote to members of minority communities whose voices all too often go unheard.
What happens is that some of those hired to do the registering, who are paid by the name, make people up. As a result, you’ll discover that among the registrants are such obvious fakes as Mickey Mouse and the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys, among others.
This is where the Republican meme kicks in. As they have in past elections (although now louder and more angrily than ever), the G.O.P. has made ACORN the red flag du jour as the party tries to mobilize its conservative base and, allegedly, attempts to suppress the vote and distract attention from accusations of election tampering made against them, too.
The charge is that these fake registrations will create havoc at the polls. On Tuesday morning, former Republican Sens. John Danforth and Warren Rudman, chairs of Senator McCain’s Honest and Open Elections Committee, held a press conference and described the results of the bad seeds in ACORN’s registration program as “a potential nightmare.” Danforth said he was concerned “that this election night and the days that follow will be a rerun of 2000, and even worse than 2000…”
http://www.truthout.org/article/101808A
Just in case you missed this one, Heckler >>>
JUST for you…. one of Annenberg’s Marxist buddies….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Annenbergs_with_Ronald_Reagan_1981
That one is so good, it had to be posted a second time…. ROFL!!!
Some more shocking, hateful, anti-American agitprop from that dangerous, unrepetant terrorist William Ayers.
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Teacher Talk: Teachers Building a Professional Community
by Talking to Other Teachers About Teaching
by William Ayers
Eight teachers settle into child-sized chairs in room 201 of the Gwendolyn Brooks Academy, a struggling public school on Chicago’s near west side, as Carla Jordan, the host teacher, begins to pull the meeting together. “Has everyone got a snack?” she asks. “There are more donuts and apples on the side table. Cider… Coffee… Everyone OK?” She pauses and smiles, arms open and welcoming. “OK”, she continues. “Why don’t we bring our chairs forward, a little closer together, and let’s make this more of a circle.” She gestures with her hands as chair-legs scrape linoleum until a little halfhearted ring forms up. “Good. Let’s begin.”
Carla welcomes her colleagues to her second-grade classroom and reminds them that they have only forty minutes together today and that five minutes are already gone. “The house rules allow for two minutes of complaining,” she laughs, “but I’m dispensing with that so we can plunge right into the heart of things. You can complain on your own time.” Everyone laughs as Robert Thompson, a sixth grade teacher and the group comedian, pulls a mock frown and says, “I’ve been waiting two weeks for a chance to offer a major whine, and now you’re bottling me up.” “Tell it to your therapist,” Carla jokes.
Carla Jordan sets a small portable oven timer for ten minutes, places it on a nearby desk, and begins presenting a portrait of her classroom–her environment for learning–and the rhythm and routine of her day. This is the eleventh meeting for this group of teachers, and they are by now comfortable with each other and familiar with the format: they always meet in a group member’s classroom; the host teacher provides a modest (or elaborate) snack, and chairs the meeting; after a two-minute period allowed for gossip and complaint, the host teacher spends ten minutes describing the classroom, emphasizing the choices she or he has made and the thinking behind each decision; the group then talks back to the presenting teacher for eight minutes, expanding on some points, seeking clarification, critically reflecting, describing practices to amplify or intensify aspects of the environment; gears shift, and during the next ten minutes the host teacher presents a student to the group through the lens of that student’s work; the group then talks back to the presenting teacher offering critical advice for future work with the student; the final two minutes are devoted to calendar, future meetings, details, business. Forty minutes. Out the door.
Carla Jordan has been teaching for four years, neither a novice nor quite yet a veteran. Of the eight teachers gathered here, two are first-year teachers, five have been teaching from between four and ten years, and Robert has been teaching eighteen years. Each teacher has hosted at least one Teacher Talk; this is Carla’s second round, and she highlights changes since the last meeting in her room. “I took seriously the suggestions about the importance of displaying student work as you can see,” she says, ” gesturing towards a wall displaying student papers, a clothesline stretched across the back of the room hung with paintings, and a large table under a banner that trumpets, “Our Museum of Culture.” The reading area bristles with book reports, the place is alive with child-made art, and one large space is decorated with the results of an ongoing graphing, charting, mapping project. The room looks denser, more vibrant and dynamic, busier and more interesting. It’s made a difference I think in the pride and effort that goes into their work,” Carla says. Everyone is impressed.
“I’ve been wondering,” says Veronica Adams, a fourth-grade teacher who has consistently and increasingly argued for a stronger emphasis on pushing children to write across the curriculum, “in my own classroom about making visible the process of writing. I mean, why not display, for example, three drafts of the same paper? That might underline the point I make to the kids–how writing requires an idea, some effort and editing, and then rewriting.” One teacher thinks out loud about the importance of not intimidating beginning writers, allowing them to simply write, and another argues for the different demands made of fourth graders and second graders.
Carla takes notes on the conversation and then, when the time is up, pulls out a fat file folder and says, “Let me tell you about Rodney.” At the last meeting she had described a challenging child, and today she has decided to provide some balance. This kid works hard and adds some zest and fun to her day. The group admires the creativity and intensity of Rodney’s writing, the colorful paintings and meticulous maps he has drawn of the classroom and the school building. There are a few suggestions of ways to stretch the work with Rodney before the session comes to an end.
Teaching demands thoughtfulness. There simply is no way to become an outstanding teacher through adherence to routine, formula, habit, convention, or standardized ways of speaking and acting. Thoughtfulness requires time and focus and wide-awakeness–a willingness to look at the conditions of our teaching lives, to consider alternatives and different possibilities, to challenge received wisdom and the taken for granted, and to link our conduct with our consciousness… to think what we are doing.
It can be overwhelming to try to think what you are doing in a classroom of 30 students, embedded in a school of several hundred (or thousand), situated in a town or city of several thousand (or million). Each of your students has her or his own needs, skills, capacities, hopes, and dreams. The school has its own goals and plans to attend to, and society makes its own demands as well.
Although there is always more to learn and more to know as a teacher, the heart of teaching is a passionate regard for students. With it, mistakes and obstacles will be met and overcome; without it, no amount of technical skill will ever fully compensate. The work of teaching involves struggling to see each student in as full and dynamic a way as possible, and simultaneously to create environments that nurture and challenge the wide range of students who are actually there in our classrooms.
Teachers need opportunities to collectively engage serious questions of immediacy and urgency from their classrooms: What are my teaching goals? How do they fit the visions/standards of the larger community? What is going on in our classrooms? What does it mean for the teacher? How are the kids experiencing it? How can we learn from one another?
It is important that teachers fight the atomization, isolation, and alienation endemic in teaching. Teachers typically find themselves alone in classrooms with too many children and too little time. When teachers talk to other teachers, it is usually a brief encounter at lunch or during a break, and the talk is rarely about the content and conduct of their work. The isolation is sometimes defended as a precious and guarded autonomy, but it can easily turn to disconnection and burnout.
The most successful teacher development projects do not rely on university people, curriculum specialists, gurus, or outsiders of any kind. Rather, they are teacher-run, small, informal, and personal. They are teachers talking to teachers about teaching. Teacher Talk.
These networks are promising because they require no special expertise or equipment or package. They are built on the needs, experiences, and collective wisdom of teachers themselves. They are close to the realities of classroom life and promise, therefore, no pie in the sky. And yet, by focusing on teachers’ own concerns collectively and publicly, they assume that good teachers are always in search of better teaching practice. They allow for scrutiny, self-reflection, criticism, and support in the difficult task of becoming outstanding teachers.
The focus of Teacher Talk is curriculum, instruction, and evaluation–the content and conduct of teaching. This is itself remarkable. School staff meetings are so dominated by procedure and organization (announcements of regulations, reports of committees) that a visitor to such a meeting would have no idea what the enterprise is about. By contrast, Teacher Talk is only about students and teaching.
Teacher Talk is an initiative for and by teachers and is based on a simple principle: teaching is intellectual and ethical work, and it requires a thoughtful, caring person to do it well. Teacher Talk is the beginning of a professional conversation, a reflective dialogue focused on the lives of particular students and the opportunities for student success in our classrooms. It points to important aspects of the teaching enterprise that teachers can control in significant ways; observing and understanding students as learners, and creating environments for learning that nurture and challenge the wide range of students in any classroom.
The message of Teacher Talk is that the people with the problems are also the people with the solutions, and that only the self-activity of teachers can, in the end, improve teaching in any fundamental or sustained way. Teacher Talk unlocks the tacit knowledge of teachers, makes that knowledge public and shared, and therefore subject to deliberate and thoughtful change. Teacher Talk is a form of voluntary peer staff development and can be conceived as teacher action research, formal teacher reflection, sustained appreciative inquiry.
We hear a lot these days about accountability. Teacher Talk strives for lateral accountability–peer accountability–rather than the sort and punish top-down accountability that has been a proven failure for too long. Teacher Talk aims at professional development leading to whole-school change. It is not a model of nibbling around the margins of the school through pulling out a few like-minded teachers. Teacher Talk is a potential activity for every teacher.
Teacher Talk is more than talk–it is a way for teachers to collaborate, to support each other, to push each other as teachers. In short, Teacher Talk aims to build a professional community.
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http://www.newhorizons.org/trans/ayers.htm
Correction to the above link >>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Annenberg
Chas
….and Walter Annenberg has no idea who George Soros is either…..
carry on
“This is where the Republican meme kicks in. ”
Like any source of authority would contain the above.
“Teacher Talk is more than talk–it is a way for teachers to collaborate, to support each other, to push each other as teachers. In short, Teacher Talk aims to build a professional community.”
I thought that’s what the nations two largest unions were for?
And isn’t the answer truly just to throw more money at the problem?
The founder of the Annenberg Foundation appears to have been a very Right Wing sort of gentleman. Seems he palled around with such Anti-American leftists as Bob Hope, and Frank Sinatra, and Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagen, and Maggie Thatcher, and Prince Charles…
Wow, sounds like Annenberg must have been a real terrorist threat!!
BTW, he never gave Ayers one red cent!!
Why, oh why, dont you wingnuts ever check stuff out before you make yourselves look so blasted bad???
The nattering nabobs of negativism!! Just like Mr. Agnew said!!
I feel it is my duty to finish driving AmWay the final mile to his complete mental breakdown by revealing the piece of the puzzle he has not yet figured out. Even FOX has not put this together yet…
After the “massive registration fraud” is complete, what happens to the “millions” of bogus voter cards?
Remember all those millions of illegal aliens we have been smuggling in?? Buwaaahhhaaahaaaaa!!!
(Inventing conspiracy theories is so fun!!!)
Oooops — left out one — Rupert Murdoch LOL
DavidB — I am sure that FOX news has figured it out totally!! They just want to agitate… and spin, spin, spin!!! After all, they have to work hard to get Limbaugh his daily talking points!!! ROFL!!!
“Just love it when the chicken farmer lesie unloads on me…..means I’ve managed to get under her skin.
Pretty ugly thick skin too, I imagine.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH… (deep breath) hehehehehehehehehheHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHEHHEEEEEEEE
If that’s all he’s got, JR, I’m not too worried.
Last refuge of a scoundrel and all….
So.. let’s review.
Bigot box hates farmers, especially ones who raise chickens, hates lesbians and really all gay people, hates the self employed, unless it’s himself and joe the pseudo plumber, and hates JR for his own mysterious reasons.
Quite a christian record I’d say. But then, it’s what I’ve come to expect from the wingnut wing of the church…
BIG GOVERNMENT ‘CURE’ FOR POVERTY – SOCIALISM DOESN’T WORK!!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/20/BALG13JJV9.DTL
S.F.’s $3.9 million wasted opportunity
Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross
Monday, October 20, 2008
Despite sinking $4 million in mostly private foundation money into trying to turn around some of San Francisco’s poorest neighborhoods, Mayor Gavin Newsom’s Communities of Opportunity program has largely been a bust, according to a new city audit.
The program, patterned after an effort in New York’s Harlem, was intended to help families living in the city’s public-housing projects with everything from after-school tutoring and job placement to health care and addiction treatment.
Newsom announced the program during his State of the City address in 2004 and touted it as a benchmark on which to judge his performance as mayor.
But after two years of funding – including $3.9 million in private foundation and grant money – the eight programs operated by a dozen nonprofits have largely withered away with little to show for their efforts, according to the Board of Supervisors’ budget analyst, Harvey Rose.
But, boy, did they spend:
– $570,882 for conferences – mostly for hosting a gathering in San Francisco in 2007 for community development professionals.
– $162,000 for events, including a Comedy Shop performance with six comedians and the hip-hop group Def Jam.
– $464,823 for consultants, including $300,000 in public relations.
– $399,000 for a program office and community staff.
– $298,637 for assorted community outreach.
The program also spent $1.6 million on funding for “community-based organizations and other services” – in other words, right back into the coffers of the programs and service providers hired for the job.
Over the past two years, Newsom also put up $370,000 in city funds to cover the cost of providing a top mayoral deputy to oversee the program.
Hey, KFG… Save SOME of that laugh for Halloween!!! LOL!!
Chas
Where exactly did I call Annenberg a Leftist?
ANOTHER GOVERNMENT FAILURE IN SOCIALISM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-10-17-hawaii-health-care_N.htm
Hawaii drops universal child health care
HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the United States just seven months after it launched.
Gov. Linda Lingle’s administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program. A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.
“People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free,” said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. “I don’t believe that was the intent of the program.”
When Prez Obama gives the entire USA Free Health Insurance, then my company will stop paying for Health Insurance.
And I’ll stop paying premiums too!
If I can get it for Free, then why PAY FOR IT????
And when the Government raises taxes high enough, and raises welfare high enough, then I stop working and become a Socialist too!!!!
We can all stop working!!!
What will you Socialists do to stop working Americans from quiting our jobs? Hold a gun to our heads and force us to work for you?
Not gonna happen.
We workin folk will all quit. Then you deadbeats can figure out how to feed yourselves for a change.
…and max reveals the REAL reason he hates JR.
Max is jealous of him…. Cant wait to be like him…
Envy. One of the seven deadly sins.
“MaxGrobnik” –
Be sure to schedule your fitting for your Chairman Mao suit early on November 5th. I’m afraid the oversized cap you’ll need will have to be a special order.
Oh.
And learn the tango.
You have been warned.
I think max’s table is ready.
“Bitter, party of one? Bitter, party of one!”
Heh Monkeyhawk. He better learn to use chopsticks too!
Max is threatening a General Strike if Senator Obama and Joe Biden win. That’s a typical communist tactic…
Max,
You strike me as a bitter lonely old man. Life is too short going through it hating.
I strongly disagree with KFG and Blue Jay,among others,on politics,that doesn’t mean I have to start hating and calling names. There are a lot of people here who I disagree with that I think would be a blast to hang with.
Come out in the real world with the rest of us,hell you might actually have some fun if you aren’t careful
Boxlock
Posted October 20, 2008 at 7:25 am | Permalink
Wow….does this guy ever nail it down accurately.
http://townhall.com/columnists/FrankTurek/2008/10/20/the_party_of_god
by Frank Turek:
“Joe Biden recently asked why his Democrat Party isn’t seen as the “Party of God.” He then went on to answer his own question with this stunning observation: it’s because Democrats are “uncomfortable talking about God.” If they would only talk more about God, their party would be seen as the “Party of God.”
So if Bill Clinton had only talked more about monogamy, most voters would have thought he was the model husband?
This is one of the major problems of liberalism—it’s more about what you say than what you do.
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Oh you mean like the way your model Republican can be courting his future wife while still married to his first wife? – John McCain?
You mean like the way your model Republican Congressman can be using a government provided computer to troll for underage male pages? Mark Foley?
You mean like the way your model Republican Rush Limbaugh can be found with an excessive amount of narcotic pain medications and accused of doctor shopping to get those pain medications and not be treated like the usual drug addict by being sent to prison?
You mean like the way your model Republican Larry Craig can be caught playing footsies in a public men’s restroom and then whine because he got caught?
And as for the men of God who are Republicans – let’s start with Ted Haggard – you remember, he was the one that was preaching against homosexuals but yet got caught with his own gay male prostitute and with drugs. His church paid him quite handsomely to leave town quietly.
Let’s talk about Pat Robertson who has advocated on more than one occasion that we need to assassinate foreign leaders and Supreme Court justices that he deems unacceptable.
One last thing, when the Republicans were all pointing their finger at Bill Clinton for his sexual activity, what were the majority of them doing? They were down the street with their own mistresses – like Newt Gingrich?
So, let’s not pretend that the Republicans are pure as the driven snow. That snow has been trampled through alot and has a lot of stains!
No matter who wins the election I fully intend to go on with my life as usual. No matter what happens expierence has shown me who the president is does not drastically effect my life or lifestyle
Good News. Teddy feels well enough to enjoy a sail!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×4269423
He just cant be stopped from enjoying life.
I bet he’s REALLY gonna enjoy November 4!
“No matter what happens expierence has shown me who the president is does not drastically effect my life or lifestyle”
I wish I could say that. Bush running for office and using me and mine to whip up fear, and wingnut turnout, certainly has made life more difficult for us.
Cue the “what rights have you lost” reply in 3….2….1……
Wingnuts are SO predictable.
DavidB
Posted October 20, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink
Max is threatening a General Strike if Senator Obama and Joe Biden win. That’s a typical communist tactic…
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You never answered the question David – How many strikes occurred in Communist Russia and China?
Your accusation is ridiculous. Strikes are not successful in Communist regimes.
And you call Early Retirement – striking!
The biggest Fear you Socialists have is that many of us Working People stop working. We Retire Early.
Then there will be nobody to give you Free Siht!
Let’s see, structure my investments to keep my income just under the Obama threshold, to maximize my Government Welfare.
Get free Healthcare – though waiting in lines of 6 to 12 months for treatment.
Free foodstamps and Free food.
Free heating/cooling assistance.
Tax “Credits” – Truly WELFARE PAYMENTS.
Ya, I can just about retire right now!
If Obama doesn’t give me a new Stratos boat when I leave my job, I am going to be super pissed…I mean fishing from a nice boat is a RIGHT that every American should have!! Damit!!
I suppose I will just have to pay my taxes and work hard so others don’t have to…again….
KFG,
Had never looked at it from your perspective,food for thought for sure.
Freebird1971
Posted October 20, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink
KFG,
Had never looked at it from your perspective,food for thought for sure.
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I don’t think Max is cross-eyed… :)
Libs couldn’t care less about any Rights of Freedom Lost.
You want your Government handouts – PERIOD. Oh, and your O-Bortions too!
“Quite a christian record I’d say. But then, it’s what I’ve come to expect from the wingnut wing of the church…”
I have to confess, my favorite bigotbox trick is when he links to pictures of jackasses and implies “this is what you look like!”
I can’t imagine a self-respecting fifth grader doing anything as foolish. The man is a symbol of maturity.
He’s good for a cheap laugh, though.
I fear Max is going to have a stroke at his keyboard
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 20, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
Good News. Teddy feels well enough to enjoy a sail!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×4269423
He just cant be stopped from enjoying life.
I bet he’s REALLY gonna enjoy November 4!
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Yeah, he still can swim – when he wants to.
Yeah, he still can swim – when he wants to.
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LMAO!
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 20, 2008 at 10:52 am | Permalink
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 20, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
Good News. Teddy feels well enough to enjoy a sail!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×4269423
He just cant be stopped from enjoying life.
I bet he’s REALLY gonna enjoy November 4!
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Yeah, he still can swim – when he wants to.
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Christ on a crutch Max!!! The man is fighting for his life and you bring up BS like that. My politics aren’t even close to his but I wish the man well. There are some things that trancsend politics but I guess you haven’t realized that yet
If a white person doesn’t vote for Obama because he is black – is he/she a racist?
What about the other way around?
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) — Ann Nixon Cooper, 106 years old, has seen presidents come and go in her lifetime and has outlived most of them. On a sunny fall morning, she left her weathered but well-kept Tudor home in Atlanta, Georgia, to vote early — this time for Barack Obama.
“Even if he didn’t win, I was happy for him just to be nominated,” said the former socialite. “The first black president — isn’t that something, at 106 years old?”
VERY IMPORTANT! Today is the last day a person may register to vote in Sedgwick County for the upcoming November 4th election. Registration forms may be found all over town including at most Dillons and Quick Trips.
Advance Voting begins here in Sedgwick County this week — October 22nd.
To see where advance voting is available, the hours…
http://www.sedgwickcounty.org
Who’s gonna fix your car? The mechanics all retired.
-Fix your own car, or walk or ride a bike. (If you can fix a bike or you’re a*s is not too fat for a bike.)
Who’s gonna sell you groceries? The grocery workers and farmers and all retired.
-Grow your own food.
Eat at McDonalds? No more fast food, or slow food! All food workers retired!
-Grow your own food – or steal from others.
Who’s gonna sell you clothes, or lumber, or anything else? All truck drivers retired!
-Cut your own trees, make your own clothes, and make your own siht, or do without.
Who’s gonna give you your Free Healthcare? Nobody. Doctors all retired. You might find a PA or an LPN.
-Stay healthy, or die.
Who’s gonna sell you electricity and gasoline? Nobody. All utility workers retired. And besides, America refused to tap it’s own energy supplies. There ain’t no more gas, oil, gasoline, or electricity.
-Learn to chop wood, and make your own woodstove or fireplace.
Ya see boyz and goyles,
When you take away the profit incentive for working, when you make it almost as profitable too stay home as it is to work, people stop working and retire early.
There’s no Socialist System that has ever been successful.
60% of America pays taxes today. Go Socailist, and nobody pays taxes, and nobody works.
But let’s do Change. Let’s try it!
(And for an encore, we can all hold hands and jump off a cliff together! That would be Unity!)
“MaxGrobnik” –
I gotta admit, you nailed me.
You’ve got me figured out and that doesn’t bode well for you on November 5th when I become the Grand Commissar of the People’s Democratic Republic of WE Blog.
You’d better stock up on ammo, “MaxGrobnik,” because we’re coming after you.
Of course, I’ll have the full force and power of the United States military and you’ll be defending yourself with a Saturday Night Special and a .410 shotgun. Good luck with that.
Anyway, it’s obvious you’re a candidate for re-education. (Although there’s a question in the soviet whether “re-” applies to you.)
Anyway…
As a practical matter, I’ve decided taking away all your wealth is impractical when it goes down to dimes or less.
My advice: Convert all your wealth into dimes, nickels and pennies.
(But save your pennies. We may charge extra for your oversized Chairman Mao cap.)
On a lighter note,
We’re going to Tulsa in a few weeks for a dog show so I went to GOOGLE maps to get directions to their Civic Center.
I noticed you could ‘click’ on “Street View”. There was a picture of our house! A 360 degree view taken right in front of our house!
Has anyone else found their house on GOOGLE?
Just wondering.
“Good News. Teddy feels well enough to enjoy a sail!
He just cant be stopped from enjoying life.”
Too bad the same cannot be said for Mary Jo Kopechne, who Kennedy murdered horribly in 1969.
The town drunk Kennedy, as he was known on Chappaquiddick, was after another sexual conquest.
History will remember this Kennedy too.
“He just cant be stopped from enjoying life.”
Neither could Mary Jo.
“Grow your own food – or steal from others.”
Farmgirl will have plenty. Plus, they are making a killing on corn and wheat under President Bush.
Should be a perfect place to drive the family truck just like Ma and Pa Joad.
Ted Kennedy,
Had Chappaquidick happened today, there would have been an OJ like trial lasting for months.
In the 60’s, the powerful Kennedy Political Machine, was able to cover up Manslaughter, or maybe even worse.
Ahh, but Teddy does enjoy life.
American_Way
Posted October 20, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink
“Good News. Teddy feels well enough to enjoy a sail!
He just cant be stopped from enjoying life.”
Too bad the same cannot be said for Mary Jo Kopechne, who Kennedy murdered horribly in 1969.
The town drunk Kennedy, as he was known on Chappaquiddick, was after another sexual conquest.
History will remember this Kennedy too
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I will change the name
Christ on a crutch Amway!!! The man is fighting for his life and you bring up BS like that. My politics aren’t even close to his but I wish the man well. There are some things that trancsend politics but I guess you haven’t realized that yet
American_Way
Posted October 20, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink
“Grow your own food – or steal from others.”
Farmgirl will have plenty. Plus, they are making a killing on corn and wheat under President Bush.
Should be a perfect place to drive the family truck just like Ma and Pa Joad.
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As long as she has no guns, she can’t defend herself!
But of course,
She could dial 911.
Hawaii Abandons “Universal Healthcare”
October 19th, 2008
By JAZZ SHAW, Assistant Editor
“People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free,” said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. “I don’t believe that was the intent of the program.”
HLP, the day the picture was taken of our house my canine friend Ginger and I were out on the driveway so we’re in the picture! Thank goodness we were being have… (That is the practice of behaving for those curious.)
The Keiki (child) Care program aimed to cover every child from birth to 18 years old who didn’t already have health insurance – mostly immigrants and members of lower-income families.
It costs the state about $50,000 per month, or $25.50 per child – an amount that was more than matched by HMSA.
The Keiki (child) Care program aimed to cover every child from birth to 18 years old who didn’t already have health insurance – mostly immigrants and members of lower-income families.
It costs the state about $50,000 per month, or $25.50 per child – an amount that was more than matched by HMSA.
State health officials argued that most of the children enrolled in the universal child care program previously had private health insurance, indicating that it was helping those who didn’t need it.
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See, it no longer matters if you have your own coverage, or you don’t want the state plan: What matters is that the state has complete control.
AmWay,
Best laid plans of men you know, paved with good intentions.
Yet whenever the Government is involved, good intentions or not, they alway F it up.
“While it’s difficult to determine how many children lack health coverage in the islands, estimates range from 3,500 to 16,000 in a state of about 1.3 million people. All were eligible for the program.”
Wow – this says a lot.
They are on a tiny island. And they can’t figure it out.
Wait until the democrats FIGURE IT OUT, for all fifty states!
“Yet whenever the Government is involved, good intentions or not, they alway F it up.”
Just like they did trying to give every American a home.
REVOLT.
IT’S COMING.
Does this argument in SUPPORT of Hawaii providing free health care sound familiar to anyone?
“If Hawaii has access to the best health care in the country, why is the Legislature even considering universal health care for all residents? The answer is simple: Cost savings. By providing health care to Hawaii residents through a single-payer system, employers, hospitals and the state will save money. Medical services will be accessible to everyone. Late-stage emergency care will be reduced for those who cannot afford medical care.
Universal health care will better address the shortage of physicians and nurses. It will help focus on the recruitment and retention of doctors and nurses in Hawaii. And it will lead to better pay and a managed health care system to address medical malpractice and frivolous claims. This viable single-payer system will fortify health care in Hawaii.
Right now, business owners pay a substantial amount to provide mandated health care coverage for their employees. However, a single-payer system will reduce costs because it will be managed and regulated by a single entity. The power of bulk purchasing of medical supplies, services and prescription drugs will give us the leverage to seek and obtain large savings.”
REP. JOHN M. MIZUNO
D-30TH, VICE CHAIR Hawaiian legislature
Hank – last time I checked they hadn’t gotten my house yet – but did have the church at the corner.
It’s just Retirement, Anti.
If ya can’t beat em, then join em.
And watch em all wiggle like lil worms on Obama’s hook.
Has anyone else found their house on GOOGLE?
Yep, but that’s not half of it. Google Maps is evilll, evil, I tell you!
http://www.break.com/index/google-maps-is-evi.html
Just like Hawaii’s Healthcare experiment that failed after 7 months, Obama’s Socialist experiment will quickly fail.
When we all jump on the gravy train, there won’t be an engine around that’s big enough to pull all the weight.
At least the gravy train will finally be finished.
AND since the State of Hawaii cannot afford to pay for your healthcare, we strongly encourage you to get free healthcare from the federal government:
“Families with children currently enrolled in the universal system are being encouraged to seek more comprehensive Medicaid coverage, which may be available to children in a family of four earning up to $73,000 annually.”
GO PICK SOMEONE ELSE’S MONEY TREE.
Yep, but that’s not half of it. Google Maps is evilll, evil, I tell you!
Yep, the gubermint will be able to find Hanks guns.
“At least the gravy train will finally be finished.”
The difference is the libs will have silenced any opposition.
Fairness Doctrine. Government will rule the air.
Guns. Government will take them away.
Supreme Court. The law will back them
Zeig Heil!
And the differences in candidates views are stark:
“Where I come from, where I was raised, they tried wealth redistribution,” the Cuban-American senator said. “We don’t need that here. That’s called socialism, communism — not Americanism.”
There’s also Virtual Earth besides Google Earth.
http://maps.live.com/
MIZUNO’s argument for Universal Healthcare in Hawaii sounds EXACTLY like Obama’s arguments for his plan.
It failed in Hawaii. Miserably.
But I am absolutely certain, that Obama and other Socialists will say: “Well the Hawaii experiment failed because it was too small. We need to do the same thing over again, on a much larger scale, then we can expect success.”
The pilot project worked so well, didn’t it?
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 20, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Actually, “MaxGrobnik” –
Ted Kennedy was a HERO at Chappaquiddick!
Mary Jo Kopechne was a LIBERAL!!!! She worked for Bobby Kennedy, f’r chrissakes. And she was probably a sl*t showing up at that party with a low life like Ted Kennedy!
He did you CONs a favor by intentionally drowning her trashy butt in the back seat of his Oldsmobile! He sacrificed an OLDSMOBILE f’r chrissake! Not a Chevy. And Oldsmobile!!
But he got rid of a Liberal in the process.
And what thanks does he get?
Did anyone catch the latest lib comeback?
“Obama’s tax plan calls for tax relief for 95 percent of workers and their families. Though non-partisan tax policy organizations agree that 40 percent of Americans don’t pay income tax, many of those are lower-income earners who file payroll taxes through their employers.”
Payroll Taxes:
FICA (they will get social security like us all)
Medicare (they will get this benefit someday)
State Tax (most likely all refunded)
Fed Tax (all refunded)
Good lord the libs don’t want the bottom 40% to pay a dime toward their country? Nor a dime toward their own SS or Medicare?
Who is truly being greedy?
Who is being unpatriotic?
Well Monkey I can see why your post was being moderated.
I cannot see why they then posted it.
American_Way
Posted October 20, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink
“At least the gravy train will finally be finished.”
The difference is the libs will have silenced any opposition.
Fairness Doctrine. Government will rule the air.
Guns. Government will take them away.
Supreme Court. The law will back them
Zeig Heil!
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And Monkeyman above showed the Libs hand that will be played when he wrote:
“Of course, I’ll have the full force and power of the United States military and you’ll be defending yourself with a Saturday Night Special and a .410 shotgun. Good luck with that.”
The Libs will have the US Military attack American Civilians.
“American_Way” –
It’s because everyone’s afraid of the day I’ll become the Grand Commissar of the Democratic People’s Republic of WE Blog on November 5th.
Be sure to show up and get your Chairman Mao suit.
You don’t want to make me angry.
You won’t like me if I get angry.
As BlueJay and other libs have proclaimed, about half of this nation is their Enemy.
100 Million Gun owners in America.
Look what happened to the Military when a few thousand insurgents in Iraq attacked.
How many millions of Americans will the Libs have killed?
Actually I don’t like you anyway.
ANTI
Posted October 20, 2008 at 11:43 am | Permalink
As BlueJay and other libs have proclaimed, about half of this nation is their Enemy.
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That would be the half that is working and paying taxes.
Oh, I know Max. These same people also brag about defiling the very symbol of America, the flag.
Yeah,
Don’t make the Monkey Mad, Amway!
He might have to go spank himself.
He brags about buring the flag in front of his own son!
burning
OMG! More FREE MONEY!!!!
“Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke appeared to open the door for further interest rate cuts.
Bernanke, saying the country’s economic weakness could last for some time, also threw his weight behind a fresh round of government stimulus. Stocks surged as investors interpreted some of his remarks as a hint the central bank would lower rates again soon.
Bernanke’s remarks before the House Budget Committee marked his first endorsement of another round of government stimulus. Democrats on Capitol Hill have been pushing for another stimulus plan, but the Bush administration has been cool to the idea as the federal budget deficit explodes.”
Please. I can’t take it anymore! Stop sending me FREE MONEY that I do not need!
That’s ok Amway.
That free money isn’t worth much anyway, so their not giving away much.
Come spring, the money trees will be bloomin again!
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 20, 2008 at 11:43 am | Permalink
“American_Way” –
It’s because everyone’s afraid of the day I’ll become the Grand Commissar of the Democratic People’s Republic of WE Blog on November 5th.
Be sure to show up and get your Chairman Mao suit.
You don’t want to make me angry.
You won’t like me if I get angry.
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Is it one size fits all or do we need to show up early for a fitting?
Max,
A very simple question,what color is the sky in your world?
“MaxGrobnik” asks –
“How many millions of Americans will the Libs have killed?”
Good question!
We’ve been meeting about this and are trying to crunch the
bodiesnumbers.We’re America! And we should be Number 1!!
That means beating the current record established by the Nazis. (The Guinness book doesn’t accept Stalin or Mao; bad record-keeping.) Pol Pot? Heh.
No, we’re trying to come up with a systematic system of killing millions of Americans.
A lot more guns might help, but that’s not enough.
Thing is, “MaxGrobnik,” we can’t do it all by ourselves. You have to help.
Practice on your tango, “MaxGrobnik.” And don’t forget to show up for your Chairman Mao suit on November 5th.
I won’t forget if you don’t.
– Grand Commissar Monkeyhawk
The chicken farmer posts;
“Bigot box hates farmers, especially ones who raise chickens, hates lesbians and really all gay people, hates the self employed, unless it’s himself and joe the pseudo plumber, and hates JR for his own mysterious reasons.”
Lets see,
1. “hates farmers”, nope….came from a family of farmers and do some myself. Just don’t like you chicken farmer because of the person you are as you’ve expressed yourself here.
By the way, how did you get onto the land you occupy….take it from your husbands family?
2. “especially ones who raise chickens”, nope…actually kind of like chickens, and raised a few as pets and egg layers when I was a kid. Just don’t like you chicken farmer because of the person you are as you’ve expressed yourself here.
3. hates lesbians, nope….just those, or any gay, that tries to push it as acceptable normal behavior in society, an equivalent choice, when it it not….it’s queer and wrong. Besides I’m not convinced your are truly lesbian, or just ran any males off and have perverted interests. Remember, you’ve never answered the question of whether you’ve always been lesbian, and married an man anyway, or acted out that way during or after your divorce. Interesting question.
4. “hates the self-employed, nope….respect the self-employed, just don’t respect you because of the person you are as you’ve expressed yourself here.
5. “hates JR, nope….don’t hate, but I sure have no respect for him or anyone that wants to live like a parasite off society as a far left socialist/communist.
You just can’t seem to get it right every, do you?
Since Steven enjoys it so much I will include what comes to mind anytime you post here farmer.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaxxon/93296381/
Freebird, I respect you. But please don’t get caught up in the over-used-catch-phrase game of the libs on this blog…It reminds me of a mindless record.
Regards,
ANTI
Along with the suit do we get the hat with the red star?
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MaxGrobnik
Posted October 20, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink
American_Way
Posted October 20, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink
“At least the gravy train will finally be finished.”
The difference is the libs will have silenced any opposition.
Fairness Doctrine. Government will rule the air.
Guns. Government will take them away.
Supreme Court. The law will back them
Zeig Heil!
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And Monkeyman above showed the Libs hand that will be played when he wrote:
“Of course, I’ll have the full force and power of the United States military and you’ll be defending yourself with a Saturday Night Special and a .410 shotgun. Good luck with that.”
The Libs will have the US Military attack American Civilians.
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Naw,
The Veterans and retired military know all the secrets, where they hang the keys and where all the switches are.
If the military gets out of hand, we’ll simply take over. :)
Just having some fun
“Freebird1971″ –
We were gonna make it “One Size Fits All” but then someone told us about the size of “MaxGrobnik’s” butt.
Hey look, I’m gonna be a dictatorial despot running the Democratic People’s Republic of WE Blog by whim and evil, but I’m not gonna be unreasonable.
People will need enough crotch space to do a good tango, so alterations will be available. So show up early.
sure hope I don’t have to work that day so I can be first in line. Can reservations be made?
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. budget deficit hit a record $455 billion in fiscal 2008……
Pelosi and her promise to not add to the budget deficit:
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said an economic recovery bill could be as large as $150 billion. Economists have told leading Democrats the plan should be twice the size.”
Worst Congress Ever.
Box,
I’m not sure that photo represents Farmie so much. Farmie doesn’t have as many teeth as that.
And I anxiously await the answers to #1 and #3.
But she won’t answer.
New term: OCD, (Obama Compulsive Disorder) as in the wingnuts have OCD. Manifestations and symptoms, repeated delusional postings about ACORN subverting the electorial process, uncontrollable rants about Ayers and Obama going to terrorize America loving Patriots, irresistable urge to vote against anything that might hurt them once they become millionaires.
This is a disease just now being diagnosed, if other symptoms have been noted please alert.
Consider the 150 bil. an equity stake in mainstream America.
MH (Can I still refer to you as that until 11/5?),
Ive enjoyed this back and forth,but it’s on to more imprtant things,spending time with the grandson and grabbing a meeting. Have a good day
But AmWay,
Pelosi has brought down the price of oil. (I’m surprised the Dems aren’t saying that yet!)
Nuthin like massive deficit spending and fear of massive tax increases to run the economy into a Recession, or worse.
Of course oil prices drop during bad economic times. That was Pelosi’s plan for reducing gas prices!
Obama’snation, love it or leave it!
Don’t be a Hater,
Vote for the Obamanator!
Phantom, I want some of whatever you are smoking.
Hey,
I just figured out what the new open thread picture is,its Max when he realizes that MH is now the Grand Commisar of the WE Blog
“Besides I’m not convinced your are truly lesbian, or just ran any males off and have perverted interests….”
Could someone be gay just because they are, are, well, butt ugly?
Naw, it’s Max when Obama takes away his guns!
“an equity stake in mainstream America”
More like another subprime loan. Only the jokes on our kids, their kids, and their kids, kids.
“Freebird1971″ –
“RESERVATIONS?!”
That sounds pretty elitist to me.
I’m beginning to think maybe you need to be sent to the same re-education camp we’re gonna send “MaxGrobnik.”
Look, I’m gonna be a reasonable ruler once Obama gets elected and I rise to Grand Commissar of the Democratic People’s Republic of WE Blog.
But don’t push it.
Leave? Why would anyone want to leave?
We are all going to have utopia when The One is installed and his puppet Congress.
Why would I leave utopia? Where life is grand?
Free healthcare, free food, free homes, free social security, free medicine, free money at rockemboxemtaxem time.
No more guns murders. No more unwed mothers, no more drugs, no more wars.
Why would anyone leave all that?
OCD.
Free cheese for all. Even the cows.
Where’s cosmos our global warming pseudo scientist when you need him.
Global Cooling—Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof
“In early September, I began noticing a string of news stories about scientists rejecting the orthodoxy on global warming. Actually, it was more like a string of guest columns and long letters to the editor since it is hard for skeptical scientists to get published in the cabal of climate journals now controlled by the Great Sanhedrin of the environmental movement.
Still, the number of climate change skeptics is growing rapidly. Because a funny thing is happening to global temperatures — they’re going down, not up.
For nearly 30 years, Professor Christy has been in charge of NASA’s eight weather satellites that take more than 300,000 temperature readings daily around the globe. In a paper co-written with Dr. Douglass, he concludes that while manmade emissions may be having a slight impact, “variations in global temperatures since 1978 … cannot be attributed to carbon dioxide.”
Moreover, while the chart below was not produced by Douglass and Christy, it was produced using their data and it clearly shows that in the past four years — the period corresponding to reduced solar activity — all of the rise in global temperatures since 1979 has disappeared.
It may be that more global warming doubters are surfacing because there just isn’t any global warming.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/20/lorne-gunter-thirty-years-of-warmer-temperatures-go-poof.aspx
Obama fever grips Kenya
By MUNENE KILONGI
McClatchy Newspapers
NAIROBI, Kenya — When Michelle Nzaumi’s communications professor at the University of Nairobi asked students recently to bring to class a favorite speech by a world leader, their choices were remarkably predictable.
“Out of 50 students, half of us came with Obama speeches,” said Nzaumi, a 20-year-old studying actuarial sciences. “He’s that great to us.”
Barack Obama Fever Puts Hillary Clinton In Cold
January 8, 2008
EZRA Klein, a prominent young blogger at the liberal American Prospect, recently opined:
“Obama’s finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don’t even really inspire. They elevate. They enmesh you in a grander moment, as if history has stopped flowing passively by and, just for an instant, contracted around you, made you aware of its presence and your role in it. He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh, over color, over despair.
Dear BBB’s (Budding Blog Brownshirts),
John McCain is going to lose. And you all are going to have to swallow hard and deal with the reality of an African-American President.
Simple as that.
AmWay,
So, do you hate ALL black folks, or just Barack Obama?
Why didn’t Simon Cowell get the job as moderator for the last debate?
Just asking.
deal with the reality of an African-American President.
I agree. Most likely he will win.
But why did you bring his race up? I have heard more about race and racism from the left than any other group. Why are y’all so fixated on his race.
I won’t vote for Obama or McCain because I still believe in Capitalism. Neither of them do.
CF2K
Posted October 20, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink
AmWay,
So, do you hate ALL black folks, or just Barack Obama?
Case in point.
I read yesterday where one of bush’s top economic advisers said PART of America is in recession. Is that the fake part or the ligit part?
Analysts: Powell endorsement more a rejection of GOP, McCain
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/20/powell.endorsement/index.html
Sen. John McCain. The new neocon. Pro-life, pro-war, socialist liberal.
Max, unfortuantly for you the vast majority of the 100 million gun owners in the US aren’t going to join you in your war on the government. Just among blogger/ gun owners here, Hank, Nathan, GMC all work for the government. a lot of gun owners are liberals who aren’t going to join a right wing insurrection. a lot of gun owners arent even political and arent going to risk their jobs, homes, lives in a attempted overthrow of the government. And Max, once your band kills a LEO or a civil servant or a Soldier your going to be labled a terrorist, look what happend to Tim McVeigh and Milita groups, its one thing to talk about how evil, bad and how much the government sucks and another to blow up a building full of govermnet employees, firefighters carrying dead babies out of the rubble have a way of turning public opinion away from such acts
Plug-in Mini Cooper ready to charge
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/autos/0810/gallery.electric_mini_cooper/index.html?cnn=yes
Is Max sounding like the The Weathermen from back in the 70s? Will someday all of us who blogged with her be accused of having associated with a terrorist?
Sol,
Whereas you may have “heard more” discussion of race as an issue from Democrats, race has been USED as a campaign tactic more by Republicans.
When Gov. Frank Keating of Oklahoma, John McCain’s campaign co-chair, claims that Barack Obama is “a guy of the streets,” THAT is the use of racist stereotypes, pure and simple.
The fact that Keating might try to deny the racist code being used doesn’t change a thing. And the fact that Republicans are lying doesn’t obviate their use of racist slanders and racial fears.
Yesterday General Powell said the next president would have to “fix the reputation that we’ve left with the rest of the world.” Here’s an interesting chart.
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Opinion of U.S. from abroad plummets under President Bush
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/10/poll-europe-cri.html
WASHINGTON – Republican presidential candidate John McCain spent $37 million in September, leaving him $47 million for the campaign in October.
McCain’s monthly financial report filed with the Federal Election Commission shows he spent nearly two-thirds of his money — $22.5 million — on advertising as he tried to keep up with rival Barack Obama’s ad blitz in battleground states
“a guy of the streets,”
racist code
Loosen the tin foil.
Only one glass of koolaid per person, per day.
There is a channel on Dish Network in MI that is a 24/7 ad for Obama. Is that running in Kansas too?
No, Sol. Kansas doesn’t have ads for national candidates. We don’t get robocals for national candidates. We’re kinda faithful to those who have the little “R” behind their name so no money needs to be spent here.
Sol AKA Blogracist,
OK then; guess you’re back to being “Blogracist.”
No surprise, considering that the candidate you supported–Ron Paul–took money from the Nazis at Stormfront.
“WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. – Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn’t plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.
Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, “White Pride World Wide.” The site welcomes postings to the “Stormfront White Nationalist Community.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22331091/
Well good for Ron Paul. I’d rather Dr. Paul use that money to spread the message of liberty rather than some white supremacist use it to promote hate.
Apparently, you would rather see hate promoted as I see you doing here. But hey, at least you are equal opportunistic. Hate from both sides.
(CNN) — Conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh Monday strongly defended his recent remark that Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama largely because of race, and lashed out at members of the media and Democrats for appearing to take issue with his comment.
“So what if it’s race?” Limbaugh said on his radio show. “Why is it so hard to admit that it’s race…What’s so problematic about admitting it?”
Limbaugh’s original comments came in an email to Politico reporter Jonathan Martin Sunday, when the talk-radio host took issue with Powell’s contention that his endorsement of the Illinois senator did not have anything to do with the color of his skin.
“Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race,” Limbaugh wrote in the e-mail. “OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I’ll let you know what I come up with.”
CF2K
Posted October 20, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink
AmWay,
So, do you hate ALL black folks, or just Barack Obama?
CF2K
Posted October 20, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink
[…snip…]
claims that Barack Obama is “a guy of the streets,” THAT is the use of racist stereotypes, pure and simple.
[…snip…]
try to deny the racist code being used
A racist behind every corner CF?
One glass per person, per day.
The ‘Race Hustlers’ are the KKK of today. They do far more damage to minorities than good. Be proud KFG and C3PO, wear your ‘RH’ badge proudly and keep creating more tension between the races to further your agendas.
People like you help to further divide Americans by creating hatred and tension, stoking the old embers of decades past to keep the fire going.
You are disgusting.
Remember, Linda, John McCain’s top economic adviser Phil Gramm said the economy was strong and that Americans are a bunch of whiners.
But did you notice all the whining Wall Street fat cats that cried all the way to government to bail them out?
Hannibal?
U.K. Chef Gets 30 Years for Killing, Eating Gay Lover
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,441022,00.html
CF2K,
You only cheapen the meaning of the word “racist” when you use it to constantly bash anyone you can.
On top of that, you can’t even use the word correctly when you do call others a racist.
I see poor little inocent Linda who never calls anyone a name is now implying that Max is a terrorist or will be one.
Rush Limbaugh does not care about the truth and will say anything to keep his dittoheads riled up. Limbaugh knows how to stir the hatred pot and make millions while doing it.
Colin Powell has never been considered a racist person but to be accused of being a racist by some gloating, fat, air-head, white, so-called Conservative Republican is a joke in itself.
mom, it seems OK for the Libs to accuse fellow posters of being racist everyday.(Unjustifiably)
Nathaniel – John McCain doesn’t worry about calling people names and yet you defend him! Why the hypocrisy? The Bible is against hypocrisy, or did you not read that part?
I think Neil boortz had it correct on his radio show a few weeks ago.
Can you imagine 4 years of everytime someone opposes anything that Obama does as President being called a racist?
That is the future we have to look forward to from the left if Obama wins.
Anyone who dares to question Obama will be called a racist.
Oh joy.
Mom,
How do you know tha McCain doesn’t worry about calling people names?
I don’t defend McCain for calling people names either.
Mom,
Where did Limbaugh accuse Powell of being a racist?
I have never heard Obama talk about his race except to say he is half black and half white.
But when Sarah Palin herself says Obama is a person that doesn’t see America as the rest of us do – do you think she is being kind? When the supporter in her crowd that yelled out ‘kill him’, Palin should have told that person that he/she was wrong in saying that. But Palin did not choose to do that – she continued with her rant against Obama being a terrorist loving, un-American.
Palin started the hatred talk and McCain continued it for awhile until he got the message from the outrage of the public that they did not like it. Then, and only then, did McCain tone the hate talk down.
“Nathaniel” –
Limbaugh and Will and just about everybody on Faux Noise Channel introduced race as the reason behind Powell’s endorsement of Obama.
It’s be like Olbermann or Maddow claiming Joe Lieberman’s support of John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) was based solely on Joe and McCoot both being old white men.
mom, ‘kill him’, is false, been debunked, look it up.
Mom,
Not even trained Ssecret Service professionals or other Law enforcement heard anyone yell “kill him” yet you expect Palin to have heard it?
This is yet another blown out of proportion thing by the liberals.
Saying that Obama doesn’t see the country the same way we do is the truth. Just like it is so obvious that the liberals on this blog and the Conservatives on this blog see things very differently.
That is not hate, that is pointing out an obvious reality.
Nathaniel,
You have to admit that some of Max’s posts are,well,um, a little far out there
Tom,
Let’s hope that it doesn’t become necessary for Americans to defend themselves from their own Government. IF Government does go door to door to confiscate your guns, then that is the step to take complete control, and that is the step that crosses the line.
If that does happen, there will be enough of those 100 million gun owners who will defend themselves and their families and friends. And y’all who can’t defend yourselves, will suddenly become very friendly with your neighbor next door who does own guns. Or you will turn in the names of your gun-owning neighbors to the “authorities”, as directed by your Government.
Who will be the patriot then?
And one other point Tom, not all of those in uniform today will participate in attacking their friends and neighbors and fellow Americans. How many deaths must occur before Government stops attacking the People? Or will the People surrender to their own Government?
I hope we never find out.
MonkeyHawk,
Yes, brilliant. Now where did anyone call Powell a racist? Sepcifically Limbaugh?
That was the question.
Freebird1971,
So, exactly which post of Max’s would make implying that she is a terrorist ok?
Nathaniel,
None that I’m aware of,what I was referring to was the gov’t going door to door and confiscating guns and having to defend ourselves from the military,I believe you are an educated person and would agree that those are unreasonable fears.
‘MONDAY: Updated Endorsement Tally — Obama Widens Lead to 115-38 ‘
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230
“Note: We are updating this story and list often so return for additions.
The readership of the newspapers backing Obama now stands at over 10 million vs. McCain’s just under 2.5 million.”
cosmos_originally
Posted October 20, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
‘MONDAY: Updated Endorsement Tally — Obama Widens Lead to 115-38 ‘
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230
“Note: We are updating this story and list often so return for additions.
The readership of the newspapers backing Obama now stands at over 10 million vs. McCain’s just under 2.5 million.”
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So?
Funny, y’all know I’m not a she, but dream on. (Monkey was dreaming about my butt up above. And no Monkey, sorry I won’t be your gay buddy, since I’m not of your kind.)
Think I’m out there? Are you aware of all the gun bans introduced by Congress, mainly Democrats? Are you aware of Obama’s gun ban plans?
Get up to speed folks.
Freebird1971,
Actually, I believe there are those in Congress and on the left who would do just that if they could.
In Washington DC they did send Police door to door doing “voluntary” searches of homes looking for guns and drugs.
In cities where the liberals have control they have practically banned most gun ownership all together.
No, the fear and argument is not unreasonable at all.
You can find a summary of Obama’s gun ban plans right here:
http://www.gunbanobama.com/
Well,we will have to agree to disagree on this. BTW was it you wearing the cowboy hat that was in the other pen at woofstock?
Cosmos,
Thank you for showing us once again the liberal bias in the media.
Freebird1971,
No, that was not me. I was at drill that weekend.
Nathan
There’s no reason to go “door to door” for your guns. If you have guns illegally, high tech surveillance will reveal it and then the government will just blow your domicile up. We have learned well from Iraq.
Illegal weapons = terrorist. Rules of law no longer apply. Right?
Anti-Gun Legislation in the 110th Congress
S. 77, The Firearms Dealer Harassment Act
Sen. Charles Schumer, (D-N.Y.) has introduced S. 77, the “Anti-Gun Trafficking Penalties Enhancement Act of 2007.” A more accurate title would be the “Firearms Dealer Harassment Act.”
Here`s why:
First, S.77 would require that confidential Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) records on firearms traces be turned over–on demand–to any government entity, for any purpose. (Currently, information from firearms traces can only be used in bona fide criminal investigations by law enforcement agencies.)
S. 77 would require that these records be made available to any government agency for any reason, or for no stated reason whatsoever, without any justification or respect for the privacy rights of law-abiding gun owners.
S. 77 would also unleash the federal government to harass FFL holders at will, for any reason, as often as it chooses.
Finally–and perhaps most ominously–S. 77 would define certain firearm violations as “racketeering activity” under the “Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act” (RICO), allowing massive criminal penalties and civil suits.
For more information on S. 77 see
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=210&issue=023.
Nathaniel posted October 20, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Cosmos,
Thank you for showing us once again the liberal bias in the media.
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Nathaniel,
You mean all of the “liberal”(sic) papers that endorsed Bush, INSTEAD of Kerry, in 2004?
‘MONDAY: Updated Endorsement Tally — Obama Widens Lead to 115-38 ‘
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230
“In a real shocker, two solid Bush papers in 2004, the Houston Chronicle and Austin American-Statesman, also came out for Obama today. …
Obama’s lopsided margin, including most of the major papers that have decided so far, is in stark contrast to John Kerry barely edging George W. Bush in endorsements in 2004 by 213 to 205.
The NY Daily News was yet another paper, now numbering at least 25, that backed George W. Bush in 2004 and now support Obama. The Long Beach (Ca.) Press-Telegram and Asbury Park (NJ) Press did the same. So did the San Gabriel Valley (Ca.) Tribune, Salt Lake Tribune, The Naples (Fla.) Daily-News, the New Haven (CT) Register, the Times-Reporter in New Philadelphia (Ohio), Las CRuces (NM) Sun-Newsm, Mason City (Iowa) Globe-Gazette and the Yakima Herald-Republic in Washington, among others. In addition, the Plain Dealer of Cleveland, which sat out the 2004 contest, endorsed Obama. McCain has picked up only one Kerry paper so far: The Daily Press of Newport News, Va.”
The definition of a terrorist has nothing to do with having illegal guns.
Cosmos,
Hedging their losses?
As the pending Grand Commissar of the People’s Democratic Republic of WE Blog which will take absolute power on November 5th (be sure to get your Chairman Mao suits), I want to tell you we’ve figured out how to confiscate all your guns.
We’re just going for the metal.
If you have a stove or a refrigerator, we’ll confiscate it; it could be melted down into bullets.
All your weapons will be easy pickin’s since our super-natural metal detectors will find them, even if you hide it in your bed stand.
(Glocks, with all that plastic, will be problematic, so I figure we’ll just break into your home and confiscate all your bed stands.)
As Grand Commissar of the People’s Democratic Republic of WE Blog, I will take total control over every aspect of your lives.
Butter on your baked potato or sour cream? HA! As if you’ll have a choice! Get used to chives, “Nathaniel!” I’m gonna dominate your life!
Paper or plastic bags at the grocery store? You tell me (heh-heh). Your answer will determine your fate. (Ha! Ha!)
What are “iilegal” guns? Guns owned by felons?
I can legally go buy a gun from someone’s shoulder at any gun show. No documentation at all. Just the way I like it.
And yeah, most of OUR military and police will not fight us.
That’s why illegals…sorry “undocumented” aliens and felons are being enlisted.
And nevermind NATO or UN “peacekeepers” or maybe those pricks in Blackwater? They wouldn’t mind doing a bunch of us.
But the real-deal, our own military men and police…they’ll stand with us.
Does Obama support the DC gun ban or not? He’s taken both sides. Which is the latest story from him?
Majority of Hill Stands Against D.C. Gun Ban
Members to File Friend-of-the-Court Brief in 2nd Amendment Case Before Justices
The MAJORITY OF CONGRESS stands up for the 2nd Amendment.
McCain Did.
But NOT Obama.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/07/AR2008020703689.html
We’re just going for the metal…
Glocks, with all that plastic, will be problematic
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Ignorant idiot.
And for those that believe McCain will be better than Obama in regards to unarming America, best to think again.
We have a COMBAT batallion deployed in our country right now, just waiting for the next C-in-C to give the command.
Obama Supports the Following:
1. Gun owner licensing. (You have to qualify for a license to own firearms.)
2. Gun registration. (You have to register all your guns with the Government.)
3. Back to the 94 Gun ban and maybe 6 or 10 shot magazines per gun.
4. Banning semi-automatic handguns, rifles, and shotguns.
5. Ban Concealed Carry Nationwide.
Step 6 is Confiscation, but Obama hasn’t mentioned that one yet.
Anti-Gun Legislation in the 110th Congress
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=215&issue=010
H.R. 1022, Going Beyond The Infamous Clinton Gun Ban
Introduced by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), H.R. 1022 would revive the discredited Clinton Gun Ban of 1994. Congress allowed the ban to expire in 2004 for multiple reasons, including the fact that studies by the Congressional Research Service, congressionally-mandated studies, and studies by state and local law enforcement agencies showed that guns affected by the ban had been used in only a minute percentage of crime, before and after the ban was imposed.
Reauthorizing the Clinton ban would be bad enough. The guns that it temporarily banned–very widely used for target shooting, hunting and home protection–are still used in only a small percentage of crime. But McCarthy`s “other purposes” would make matters even worse. H.R. 1022 would ban every gun banned by the Clinton ban, plus millions more guns. For more information see:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=213&issue=019.
boowhoo
don’t takes my guns away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfc1qTfVkBQ
At least buy up .223 and .308 rounds and bury them deep. They are first on the Obama-list.
Annie_moose,
ever hear of The United States Constitution?
Ignorant and undeserving.
Anti-Gun Legislation in the 110th Congress
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=215&issue=010
H.R. 96, Aiming At Registering Gun Owners And Putting Gun Shows Out Of Business
Introduced by Rep. Michael Castle (R-Del.), the “Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2007″imposes bureaucratic restrictions aimed at shutting down gun shows–without fixing real problems of the National Instant Check System (NICS). Despite changes from the Lautenberg juvenile justice amendment of 1999 that it is based on, this bill fails to address gun owners` most significant concerns–and in several areas is even more restrictive than past attempts to regulate gun shows. H.R. 96 makes no real improvements to the NICS system while creating gun owner registration, massive new government red tape and allows harassment of gun show organizers vendors and attendees. For more information on H.R. 96, see:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=209&issue=014.
Anti-Gun Legislation in the 110th Congress
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=215&issue=010
H.R. 203, Allowing Arbitrary Seizure of Firearms
Introduced by Rep. Steven Rothman, (D-N.J.) H.R. 203 will involve the federal government in gun confiscations and override state law regulating gun possession when misdemeanor charges are filed in domestic abuse cases. The legislation will block federal grant money, money vital for law enforcement operations, to any jurisdiction that does not adopt the firearms seizure standards set in H.R. 203.
Under those standards, H.R. 203 grants police authority to confiscate firearms, without conviction of even misdemeanor charges, based solely on their belief that domestic abuse has occurred. This authority is extended to “any weapon,” which could allow police to seize anything that could be so used. This broad expansion of police powers, without the action of a court or the opportunity for the accused to defend him-self or her-self in court, is unprecedented and unnecessary. The bill also provides federal authority for a court to order seizure of “any weapon” as a part of an order of protection, also granting broad search authority.
The expansion of government confiscation powers provided by H.R. 203, in the absence of any conviction, is an improper abuse of government power. That those confiscations can be made based on a simple allegation, without any judicial action, is appallingly excessive.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 20, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan
There’s no reason to go “door to door” for your guns. If you have guns illegally, high tech surveillance will reveal it and then the government will just blow your domicile up. We have learned well from Iraq.
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You think this is funny?
And some call ME a terrorist.
Far out Freebird?
Gun-bans are “far out”?
Oh, there’s more. There’s much more. Just this link, for one more example:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=U.S._gun_legislation
For the dumsihts who think Glocks are 100% plastic:
Some of the Steel parts used in EVERY GLOCK:
01 – Slide – Steel
02 – Barrel – Steel
03 – Recoil spring assembly – Steel
04 – Firing pin – Steel
05 – Firing pin spring – Steel
06 – Firing pin safety spring – Steel
07 – Extractor – Steel
08 – Extractor depressor plunger spring – Steel
09 – Magazine catch spring – Steel
10 – Slide lock spring – Steel
11 – Slide lock – Steel
12 – Trigger spring – Steel
13 – Slide stop lever – Steel
14 – Magazine spring – Steel
Typical Libs, want to ban something they haven’t even touched, and something they know NOTHING about.
Joe Biden: The Voice Of Anti-Gun Experience
Friday, September 05, 2008
Last week, we highlighted the enormous differences between vice presidential nominees Sarah Palin (R) and Joe Biden (D). Most people are saying that Barack Obama chose Biden as his running mate to compensate for his own lack of experience. After all, Obama has been in the Senate since only 2005, while Biden has been a senator since 1973, when Obama was 11 years old. But few in the Senate have as much experience as Biden in attacking our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Just like fellow Democrats Edward Kennedy, Charles Schumer and Dianne Feinstein, Biden has voted for, and actively pushed, major anti-gun bills, including those:
Banning semi-automatic firearms;
Banning hunting, sporting and self-defense ammunition;
Banning magazines holding more than 10 rounds; and
Imposing a waiting period on handgun sales.
Biden also voted against the law that prohibits lawsuits designed to bankrupt law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers. And he voted against the confirmation of Supreme Court Justices who support the Second Amendment, and voted for the confirmation of Justices who do not.
The Brady Campaign sums it up in a straightforward fashion: “Senator Biden has been a consistent supporter of the Brady Campaign.” According to the gun prohibition activist group, “Senator Biden was a key player in the fight for the federal assault weapons ban that passed in 1994. He also worked hard for passage of the Brady Law (sic).”
To hear Biden tell it, though, that’s only half the story. Last year, during a debate with Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton, and other contenders for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, Biden said, “I’m the guy who originally wrote the assault weapons ban.”
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4160
mom
Posted October 20, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
I have never heard Obama talk about his race except to say he is half black and half white.
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He did say other will say ’some will tell you that He doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills’.
Mom what do you think he was referring to?
But Biden almost told the truth about his role in the “assault weapon” issue. Indeed, though Sens. Howard Metzenbaum (D-OH) and Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ) had authored earlier bills, Biden introduced an “assault weapons” ban in Congress five years before the Clinton gun and magazine ban was imposed. In 1989, a Biden bill (S. 1970) proposed to ban the Colt AR-15 and eight similar firearms as “assault weapons,” and authorize the Secretary of the Treasury (in reality, the then Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) and the Attorney General to recommend to Congress any other firearms, regardless of type, to be banned as “additional assault weapons.”
To this day, Biden doesn’t merely support a ban on “assault weapons” and standard-capacity magazines holding more than 10 rounds, he actively pushes it. In the current Congress, another Biden bill (S. 2237) proposes to renew the Clinton ban on roughly 200 makes and models of semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, and handguns on the basis of things like the shape of their grips, and on ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, regardless of the kind of firearm in which they are used.
The Supreme Court’s recent ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller—the case that overturned Washington, D.C.’s handgun ban—offers two more insights into Biden’s position on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
First, Biden has been in the Senate long enough to vote on the confirmation of all nine justices now on the Court. Biden voted to confirm only one of the five justices who ruled against D.C.’s handgun ban in Heller, and he voted to confirm all four justices who believed D.C. could ban handguns without violating the Second Amendment.
Second, before the case went before the Supreme Court, more than 300 members of Congress signed a legal brief supporting the Second Amendment and opposing D.C.’s handgun ban. Biden, like Obama, refused to sign the brief.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4160
Oh, here are just TWO of Obama’s votes against the right to use a gun for self-defense IN YOUR OWN HOME!!!!
Barack Obama’s Slippery Oratory
by Wayne LaPierre, Executive Vice President
NRA Standing Guard – April 11, 2008
To understand Barack Obama on the Second Amendment, you have to know about the clash of character between the then-Chicago state senator and an ordinary citizen who exercised his right to armed self-defense in violation of a local gun ban.
That citizen was a 52-year-old resident of Wilmette, Illinois, who, on Dec. 28, 2003, woke to find that, during the night, his home had been invaded by a career criminal; a thief who stole household items, keys and the homeowner’s car.
The victim, Hale DeMar, described his fear in a letter to the Chicago Sun- Times: “For me, the seconds until I found my children still safely tucked in their beds were horrifying . . . The police were called and in routine fashion they came, took the report and with little concern left, promising to increase surveillance. Little comfort, since the invader now had keys to our home and our automobiles. The police informed me that this was not an uncommon event in east Wilmette and offered their condolences . . .” Not 24 hours after the first burglary, the thief returned. Using DeMar’s house keys, the man entered the home, this time setting off the alarm system, automatically notifying the security company. Given the previous night’s lackluster response by police, DeMar was prepared, armed with a handgun–legally purchased years before and kept in a safe. But under Wilmette’s gun ban, that firearm in the home was illegal.
DeMar confronted the criminal, and believing his children were in danger, shot the burglar, who then fled the home.
“Until you are shocked by a piercing alarm in the middle of the night and met in your kitchen by a masked invader as your children shudder in their beds, until you confront that very real nightmare, please don’t suggest that some village trustee knows better … “If my actions have spared only one family from the distress and trauma that this habitual criminal has caused hundreds of others, then I have served my civic duty and taken one evil creature off of our streets, something that our impotent criminal justice system had failed to do, despite some thirty odd arrests, plea bargains and suspended sentences.” The burglar, who was arrested after driving DeMar’s stolen SUV to a hospital, had an extensive criminal record.
Cook County prosecutors ultimately declared DeMar’s use of a firearm to be justified. But Wilmette village officials pressed nonetheless to prosecute him for illegal possession of his handgun–a charge punishable by a huge fine and jail time. A town official was quoted in Reason magazine saying, “We need to set the example that we’re trying to protect our citizens.” And he said, DeMar–by possessing a legally purchased handgun–”is endangering innocent civilians.” The outcry of the Illinois public was heard all the way to the state capitol.
As a result, the Illinois House and Senate passed legislation in May 2004 to protect citizens who use handguns in self-defense in their homes or businesses despite local handgun bans.
The House accepted the DeMar selfdefense bill by a vote of 86-25 and the Senate moved the legislation on a 38-20 vote.
And here lies the seminal moment for state Senator Barack Obama. When Obama turned thumbs down on the bill, he voted against the most basic element of the Second Amendment– the right of defense of self and family– the reason that millions of Americans own firearms.
When the governor vetoed the bill, Obama once again voted against a citizen’s right to self-defense.
Despite his vote, the veto override passed the Senate and the House by overwhelming majorities, thereby enacting this bill into law.
Now, fast forward to today’s slippery oratory of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama just three years from being an unknown state senator–now morphed by the media into a spellbinding u.s. senator seeking to be president of the United States.
Using words like “protecting sportsmen,” Obama is now saying that he believes in the Second Amendment … but with almost universal exceptions, all of which he lists under the heading of “common sense gun safety laws.” “Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like endorsing the D.C. gun ban, which outlaws armed self-defense in the home–now being challenged before the u.s. Supreme Court. Obama, who as president would be in the position to nominate justices to that high court, has declared that the d.c. ban doesn’t violate the Second Amendment.
“Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? In a “1998 National Political Awareness Test,” he pledged to support a “Ban [on] the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons”–meaning most handguns and many rifles and shotguns that you and I own.
“Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like demanding that the federal government preempt the 40 hard-won state laws creating Right-to-Carry.
Here’s how the Chicago Tribune put it: “Obama said he opposed allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and that a federal law banning concealed carried weapons except for law enforcement is needed.” “Common sense gun safety” and the Second Amendment? Like the draconian proposals funded to the tune of $18,000,000 by the rabidly anti-gun Joyce Foundation while Obama was an activist member of its board of directors.
Obama’s alleged support of the Second Amendment is utterly cynical and false. Barack Obama is not for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms; he`s out to destroy it.
http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=418899
You guys are scary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofotzbP3jJM&feature=related
oh no a new world order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWHvM2P02W8&feature=related
annie-moose, you’re the scary one. there’s a whole army of you, just waiting to throw away the country. There’s more of us that won’t let you.
Nathaniel posted October 20, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Cosmos,
Thank you for showing us once again the liberal bias in the media.
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Nathaniel,
You mean all of the “liberal”(sic) papers that endorsed Bush, INSTEAD of Kerry, in 2004?
‘MONDAY: Updated Endorsement Tally — Obama Widens Lead to 115-38‘
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230
“In a real shocker, two solid Bush papers in 2004, the Houston Chronicle and Austin American-Statesman, also came out for Obama today. …
Obama’s lopsided margin, including most of the major papers that have decided so far, is in stark contrast to John Kerry barely edging George W. Bush in endorsements in 2004 by 213 to 205.”
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ANTI
Posted October 20, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
Cosmos,
Hedging their losses?
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Nope.
Finally doing the smart, correct thing, and endorsing the far more qualified ticket, Obama/Biden.
WE now return to the Global Gun-Ban Deniers….
There’s more of us that won’t let you.
Pleefer I bet you a dollar about half of your patriot army works for the ATF hehehe
Biden is off his meds…
“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html
Wow. The thread has gone insane.
Max, and others:
No, Obama is no friend of the 2nd amendment. I’m not convinced in his heart of hearts he’s a friend of the 1st amendment, given his tendancies during the campaign to silence his critics.
But . . . . need you jump whole hog off the deep end?
Yes, I suspect that Congress will attempt to enact some gun control legislation, and yes, I’ll oppose most of it. I suspect an attempt to re-authorization the assault weapon ban is coming. And yes, it’s a meaningless and mostly symbolic law that will do next to nothing about crime.
Max, you and I both know there will be no door to door searches for firearms. Though yes, there are some elements in the Democratic party who would like that, and given his record Obama in his heart of hearts is probably one of them, it ain’t gonna happen. There is no political support for it, even in much of the Democrats own party.
There are legitimate reasons to oppose Obama, and despite CF’s continual ginning up of the race card, they have nothing to do with race (you think the race card played by the Obama camp is bad now, wait till after January. If you oppose Obama policies, you must be a racist . . . ).
But rousing up folks with visions of “gun confiscations” and the need to go to “armed insurgency” plays into the hands of the tin-foil crowd, like Pleefer. It ain’t gonna happen. And the fact that 100 million Americans (and that figure is certainly low) own firearms is the biggest reason why.
And that is as it should be. Because the 2nd amendment isn’t about hunting. It never was. Obama’s platitutes about respecting the “sporting tradition” shows just how out of touch he is on this issue. And yes, he knows better too; he’s just saying the right things to get elected.
But he’s a politician first and foremost. And every time Democrats gin up this issue, they lose. I doubt they’ll go there again; they have bigger issues to deal with. No, I don’t agree with Obama on those either, but at least on those issues (for the most part) we’re not talking about gutting the Constitution.
So while your concern about this issue is legitimate, your whipping up a frenzy is not. Tone it down.
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As an aside – To that end, BTW, for you gunnies out there, any suggestions/preferences as to an AR15? I want an open sights model, perhaps set up for red dot sights, not a long range tackdriver. I intend to buy before January, before some idiot politician (redundancy alert) tells me I can’t. And I have two expert Marines in the family to teach me to shoot it. Correctly. Suggestions?
Ya see, “MaxGrobnik” –
You just don’t get it.
Once I take dictatorial power of the Democratic People’s Republic of WE Blog on November 5th, I won’t have to worry about your paranoid fears about your right to defend yourself “in your home.” I’ll have jack-booted minions at my command who will be damned-straight ready to defend themselves “in your home.”
Ha! Ha!
You know as well as I do, “MaxGrobnik,” that as Grand Commissar of the Democratic People’s Republic of WE Blog, my lackeys will barge into your house to burn your daughter, rape your dog, and kill your bible!
Ha! Ha!
We’ll also put your Glock in the microwave and see what melts first!
I will have all power over such as you and will condemn you to attend five Broadway musicals every season! Unarmed!!!
Ha! Ha!
I’ll force you to drink cosmopolitans! DIE, you reactionary urinary tract infection!!! Drink my cranberry juice or eat flaming death!
You don’t know what you’re in for, “MaxGrobnick.” You can’t even imagine the evil I’ll mete upon you.
From your abcnews link Sol:
“Gird your loins,” Biden told the crowd. “We’re gonna win with your help, God willing, we’re gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride.
“GMC70″ begs for –
“…teach me to shoot it. Correctly.”
Why bother?
It’s your right.
GIRD YOUR LOINS:
To gird your loins during the Roman Era meant to draw-up and tie your lower garment between your legs as to increase your mobility and agility. This prevented the loose ends of the tunic from becoming snagged on something or entangled with your feet which would cause you to stumble or fall down when moving about quickly.
How to gird your loins:
This was accomplished by pulling up the fabric of the knee-length tunic so the length in front stopped at your upper thigh, and collecting the excess material in your front. (You pull the material forward so the back of your tunic is snug against your backside.) Next, you tuck the extra front material down between your legs and gather it behind you. At this point, you collect half of the material behind you evenly on each side of your back (left and right). The final step involves wrapping each side of the material around your waist and tying it together in front.
http://www.realarmorofgod.com/gird-your-loins.html
GMC-
Les Baer (sp?)
Panther Arms
Rock River Arms
Remington has one out as well, however I haven’t heard much about it.
Just a few of my favorites.
Sorry, I listed mostly tack drivers.
Cover your balls!
Watch your jewels?
why tone it down, let’s go for it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C3tS4ZUllY&feature=related
Now GMC, no need to rush into buying an AR now, or even before January.
What’s the hurry?
Ah the seasons are changing. Iran has been receiving the yearly migration of ‘Spy Pigeons’ once again…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,441162,00.html
What’s the hurry?
See above; i.e.:
Yes, I suspect that Congress will attempt to enact some gun control legislation, and yes, I’ll oppose most of it. I suspect an attempt to re-authorization the assault weapon ban is coming. And yes, it’s a meaningless and mostly symbolic law that will do next to nothing about crime.
Like I said, before some idiot politician (and yes, that’s mostly the same thing) tells me I can’t.
Here’s a Christmas Wish List for you Max
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNNnHe3MzTU&feature=related
Yes GMC, but don’t panic! (yet)
“He did say other will say ’some will tell you that He doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills’.
Mom what do you think he was referring to?”
He was referringto the fact he was not green.
I had a great comparison spreadsheet somewhere GMC, I’ll try to find it tonight.
It listed by manufacturer, certain key Mil specs for each rifle.
Colt is one of the top ones, also one of the most expensive.
DPMS is popular, but I heard there are some quality issues. Rock River, I’ve heard many good things about.
The configurations are so numerous, I haven’t had much time to pick up one or two of these myself yet.
Maybe Santa will be good to me.
I’ve been hinting – heavily – for a AR15 lower, and let me build from there, a little at a time. Seems to me that’s half the fun. Got any suggestions for a good lower? DPMS is popular, and I’ve heard good things from Rock River too. Most are pretty much the same; any to avoid?
Either that, or reloading gear. Buying factory is pricy.
I saw that Anti, but didn’t see much detail reported.
Do the pigeons have little cameras on their heads?
Are they ‘armed’ for bombing as well as surveillence? (Couple of nasty droppings on Ackmydijabob’s head?)
Ahhh,
Reloading gear is a priority. Unarmed, the hardware makes for a very inefficient hammer.
White Spotted 5 gram Slick Bombs….and suspicious bobbing heads with googly eyes..
Max, they have ‘invisible wires’ according to the report….Don’t ask how they found them…
I would think Nathan or Hank would be resident experts on the AR’s.
I agree building one from the bottom up would be fun, I just don’t have much time. And I’m not sure how long parts will be available.
Also, if looking for a good investment, firearms and parts may be one of the best over the next few months.
Remember those $20 Glock magazines in 1993, that sold for $100 or as high as $150 EACH one year later?!
Ammo is already much higher in the last couple of years. Magazines are still pretty low. Reloading gear is reasonable for now.
Oh, one other thought, on the new EPA ban on lead, you know the EPA has cut the allowable limit by 90%!!!!
I haven’t heard yet whether the new lead clean air standard impacts ammunition!!!
Any updates on this?
They was a company I was told to avoid, can’t remember the name for sure but I believe it was InterArms (?). They were considerably cheaper in price and material than other ARs.
They=There
ANTI
Posted October 20, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Max, they have ‘invisible wires’ according to the report….Don’t ask how they found them…
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And the AP blindly (cough cough) reports these invisible wires, as if everyone knows what they are!
Is that like Wonder Woman’s invisible plane? WTF?
Probably just a pigeon that got wound up in some fishing line and perhaps the bird had a leg band….Idiots.
gun parts r hard to get? You gotz da money u can anything
http://www.brpguns.com/mg42.htm
And heh, maybe the EPA rules will impact lead sinkers and fishing lures?
Oh my!!!!
Best to stock up on lead bullets and sinkers now.
Get a good assortman of many weights and calibers.
Spying Birds…Does Hajji not have access to a 870?
Hey GM,
The boy is at work until later tonight. Ask him. He’s has an AR15 with open sights and he’s pretty good with it when it comes to long range tack drivin
CLEVELAND — Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers offered them cigarettes, and drug money, and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked.
The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state’s elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency.
Even with an 870, it’s hard to hit an invisible bird.
Do you need a hunting license for an invisible pigeon?
MaxGrobnik
Posted October 20, 2008 at 4:36 pm | Permalink
Even with an 870, it’s hard to hit an invisible bird.
Do you need a hunting license for an invisible pigeon?
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I think they fall under “nuisance animal”.
A collection of young progressives have been caught in the act of committing voter fraud in Ohio. Moving into houses around the Buckeye State, the Vote From Home 08 campaign features non-residents of Ohio collecting absentee ballots and casting votes.
Something smells at 2885 Brownlee Avenue in Columbus, Ohio.
An entire houseful of young, non-Ohioan Democrat activists have used the Brownlee Avenue address to register themselves to vote in the Buckeye State and secure absentee ballots under extremely shady circumstances — all while mobilizing a large effort to register thousands of others for absentee and early voting. The activists are leaders of a group called “Vote From Home ‘08.” The group is self-identified as having “extensive experience with political organizing, election administration, and Democratic politics.” They were hailed as the “Justice League” by a Daily Kos blogger. Their Facebook page brags: “Want to turn the Presidential election blue in a key swing state?
Listen to the fraud, as reported by young people:
http://www.palestra.net/videos/play/17193
And besides in Iran, you can shoot anything as long as you believe it to be American, gay, woman, witch, or non-Muslim, without a license.
A few ‘Allah Akbar’s’ and it’s all good.
Montana, North and South Dakota now leaning toward Obama. Obama has so much money to spend he may end up “spreading his wealth” in those states and take them from the Republicans.
Sucks to be McCain.
Liberals cannot win elections without committing fraud. They cannot win in a fair race for the American people:
Oct 19, 2008 (The Columbus Dispatch – McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) — WMT | Quote | Chart | News | PowerRating — A small, unremarkable house on the East Side seems as anonymous as any other on its working-class street.
But as authorities investigate the rental home’s current and former residents for possible voter fraud, it has become a focal point for questions about the integrity of Ohio’s election system heading into the presidential election.
Some critics of Ohio’s election system now question whether lax residency requirements and election laws are creating loopholes for outsiders to vote in this battleground state.
By late summer, the house at 2885 Brownlee Ave. had become headquarters for a group of 20- and 30-somethings who came to Ohio with a lofty goal: to register as many as 10,000 new voters in traditionally Democratic precincts on the East Side.
About 200,000 newly registered Ohio voters have been flagged by the secretary of state because their names, addresses, driver’s-license numbers, and/or Social Security numbers don’t match other state or federal records.
Likely among them are the 12 people who have registered to vote since August using the address of the 1,175-square-foot Brownlee Avenue house.
Some of them already have voted. Others requested absentee ballots but have yet to return them to the Franklin County Board of Elections.
None of them, however, seems to have ties to Ohio — no close relatives, no public-records trail, no obvious intention to stay in the state past the election.
Most of them grew up on the East Coast, attended colleges there and registered to vote in their home counties. It is not illegal to be registered to vote in more than one state. But it is illegal to vote in more than one or to vote in a state that is not your permanent residence.
The owner of the house also is coming under scrutiny. He has voted in Ohio even though he has lived and worked in New York since 2004.
All 13 are under investigation by Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O’Brien. None has any apparent ties to ACORN, the Association of Community Activists for Reform Now, whose voter-registration activity has come under scrutiny in Ohio and other states.
13 new voters in Columbus subject of fraud probe; state Republicans seek info on thousands
Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:28 PM
By Catherine Candisky
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Amid new allegations of voter fraud, the Ohio Secretary of State conceded today that the eligibility of nearly one third of newly registered voters is in question.
The latest developments raising questions about the integrity of this battleground state’s voting system came 18 days before the Nov. 4 presidential election:
Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said a preliminary review showed that 200,000 of the 666,000 voters who registered since Jan. 1 must have their eligibility verified to comply with a federal court order.
Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O’Brien confirmed that he is investigating alleged voter and registration fraud involving 13 newly registered voters who came to Columbus for a get-out-the-vote campaign and used the same address, a small East Side home.
The Ohio Republican Party requested information about newly registered voters from elections boards in all 88 counties to look into reports of fraudulent voter registration.
Elections officials across the state said they fear chaos if they must verify the validity of thousands of newly registered voters in the busy days leading up to the election.
O’Brien told The Dispatch that he is investigating allegations that 13 out-of-state residents recently registered to vote, all claiming to live at 2885 Brownlee Rd.
The individuals apparently were in Columbus working for Vote From Home, a group working to increase young-voter turnout in Ohio and using the house as their base of operation, O’Brien said.
“None of the people who registered had prior contacts with Columbus and Franklin County,” O’Brien said. “You must be a resident of the state of Ohio in order to register and cast a ballot, and that’s the issue being examined – whether they were proper residents of Ohio.”
Two of the individuals voted in person at Veteran’s Memorial while a third returned a completed absentee ballot by mail, said Matt Damshroder, deputy director of the Franklin County Board of Elections.
Another seven using the address requested absentee ballots by mail, but it is not yet clear if they have submitted them. Three others registered but did not request an absentee ballot or participate in early voting.
Election fraud is a fifth-degree felony with a maximum sentence of a year in prison and a $2,500 fine.
When a reporter visited the three-bedroom, 1,175-square foot home, a middle-aged woman answered the door and immediately turned the conversation over to a younger woman, who declined to identify herself and would say only that she didn’t believe the reports of potential voter fraud were accurate.
“Everyone who is registered to vote here is within the parameters of the law,” she said, as the woman behind her shouted, “just shut the door.” Then, the door closed.
Meanwhile, Brunner said today that 200,000 new voters appear to have driver’s license numbers or Social Security numbers that do not match information on their voter registration forms.
The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on Tues day that Brunner must give those mismatched names to county elections boards so they can verify eligibility.
Brunner said that she wants more time to comply with the court’s ruling so she can give local boards information needed to contact questionable voters in the most efficient way.
“We are asking the court for a little bit more time, probably into the beginning of next week,” Brunner said prior to a speech at the National Press Club in Washington.
Doug Chapin, director of the nonpartisan electionline.org, argued that it’s critical for elections officials, poll workers and voters to know the rules and procedures going into an election – and that last-minute changes breed instability.
“Places that have the least stability have the greatest propensity for problems,” Chapin said.
Delaware County Prosecutor Dave Yost said he suspects that many mismatches are simple errors and can be easily weeded out, leaving authorities free to pursue computerized background checks or even home visits to those whose voter registration remains in question.
Over-stressed county elections boards are preparing for a potential onslaught of additional work. Linda Howe, director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said her office already was behind in its work when it had to check an extra 24,000 signatures for the pay day-lending issue on the Nov. 4 ballot.
“I was praying it would go away. I guess not,” she said with a laugh.
Debbie Henderly, director of the Fairfield County Board of Elections, said “we have to send our list of registered voters to the printer Mon day, so there won’t be much time to check. We couldn’t even send a notice out to voters and get it back at this point.”
Citing concern about possible voter and registration fraud, the Ohio Republican Party has asked all 88 county elections boards for information about newly registered voters and those who registered and cast absentee ballots on the same day.
The GOP seeks copies of new registration forms filled out between Sept. 30 and Oct. 7. The party also requests the names of voters who registered and immediately cast a ballot between Sept. 30 and Oct. 6, according to GOP spokesman Jason Mauk.
The so-called “Golden Week” stretched from the day early voting began and the deadline to register to vote in the Nov. 4 presidential election.
The Greene County sheriff sought similar information from his county’s elections board last week before withdrawing his request. Brunner questioned the sheriff’s action because he apparently had no solid evidence of fraud.
“It looked like a fishing investigation to me,” she said today.
She charged that the Republican Party is trying to “cause chaos in the process” a few weeks before Election Day by twisting the intent of federal election law.
“In this case, what we have is one political party that’s trying to drive a truck through a small, little hole to create an advantage by somehow either injecting fear into the process or to try to disqualify voters on bases that don’t justify disqualification and that the law doesn’t support,” Brunner said.
A total of 13,141 Ohioans registered to vote and cast a ballot at the same time during the Golden Week in which both were allowed, she said.
Read how to STOP same day fraud:
http://media2.620wtmj.com/breakingnews/ElectionResults_2004_VoterFraudInvestigation_MPD-SIU-A2474926.pdf
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From Rush Limbaugh
Joe Biden . He says it would be patriotic to pay higher taxes and that this country is going to face an international crisis or two only if Obama is elected. We will not face an international crisis, according to Biden, if McCain is elected. See, under McCain what we would get is lower taxes and apparently a far more peaceful world. McCain’s been tested, no one will screw with him according to Biden. You know what a gaffe is, is when a politician tells the truth. So with Obama we’re going to get higher taxes, we’re going to get new attacks on our country. Biden says the world is going to test Obama. What’s it going to be, China taking Taiwan? China taking North Korea? Russia taking over a bordering country or two? Israel being wiped off the map? All the above? What is it? Biden’s guaranteeing something like this. He says it’s a fair price for electing an inexperienced squirrel who wants ACORN to run our elections and can’t wait to surrender in Iraq. And remember, folks, a squirrel is just a rat with better PR.
Face it AM, you’re…LOOSING!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!
As if any reasonable person listens to Rush Lamebutt!!!!! YOU’RE LOOSING!!!!!!!
On Friday, Bachmann, R-Minn., told MSNBC talk show host Chris Matthews she thought Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, “may have anti-American views.” She also said the media should investigate whether members of Congress are “pro-America or anti-America.”
Bachman can be defeated and sent packing!
Help Elwyn Tinklenberg defeat Bachman. Donate if you can!
http://www.tinklenberg08.com/
Don’t waste you’re time with all the right wing rhetoric you cut and paste, AM…no one reads it.
Obama’s going to be the next prez…so get over it already.
Thanx Mary. You encourage me to post more. Maybe a little bit of the FRAUD and illegal voting will sink in.
I must not be posting enuf.
And I am sure no liberals read.
(CNN) – Obama campaign general counsel Bob Bauer called Monday for a government investigation into whether the White House is working with John McCain’s campaign to raise allegations of voter fraud, telling reporters attorney general Michael Mukasey needed to step in to ensure investigators are “not misused for partisan purposes.”
A special prosecutor is investigating similar charges against the Justice Department over the controversial dismissals of several U.S. attorneys, including David Yglesias, who said he was fired for resisting pressure to prosecute ACORN, the embattled community group at the center of a sustained Republican campaign alleging voter fraud among supporters of Barack Obama.
The reports of more ballots cast than voters recorded were found to be true.”
We’re continually told that Republicans are being paranoid when they want voters to show ID to prevent fraud.
Well, take a look at a newly-released investigation of the Milwaukee Police Department on voter fraud in the 2004 election — the year, as you’ll recall, that John Kerry carried Wisconsin by about 11,000 votes out of almost 3 million.
The first screaming conclusion: “The reports of more ballots cast than voters recorded were found to be true.”
UPDATE: This is fascinating reading, and huge, as it obliterates the “voter fraud is an urban legend” argument.
Page 8: “For example, a woman residing in the 4900 block of N. 18th with no recorded date of birth listed is also recorded in the 4900 block of N. 108th with a date of birth. This voter did reside at the N. 108th address at the time of the November General Election. She is now registered to vote and, more important, recorded as voting in two different Wards in the City of Milwaukee.”
During a section dealing with the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, the report states, “over 10 percent of the ballots cast in Ward 39 during the 2004 General Election were not properly certified by the Election Inspectors or were ineligible to be cast in this Ward.” (page 23) “Over 2600 additional persons who do not live in Sandburg Hall are registered and able to vote from an address where they do not reside.”
Dang.
“It is the opinion of Task Force investigators that more than any other recommendation we could make, our investigation has concluded that the one thing that could eliminate a large percentage of fraud or the appearance of fraudulent voting on any given Election is the elimination of the On-Site or Same Day voter registration system… Given the inability of Election Inspectors to check the eligibility of a voter on the day of any election, there is no other way to ensure that only eligible voters are voting on Election Day.”
Palin stated at a rally today that she was glad to be in the “pro American part of the country”, meaning a “red” state…see this is the sh*t most people are sick of..the insinuation that if you don’t agree with the right wing views, you’re “anti-American”. She’s dumber than a box of rocks. It’s time to let go of the divisive rhetoric. Reasonable people are sick of it, and it only hurts McCain’s chances.
Keep it up AmWay! You’re doing great work. You could be spending your time helping Republican candidates but instead you are doing a fantastic job here on the blog!
Keep posting night and day you red devil!
“to raise allegations of voter fraud”
This is rich: Obama/ACORN is above the law.
Obama/ACORN canNOT be questioned as to fraud.
Is this the America you all really want?
(knowing full well 90% of you do)
Has anyone ever told you how BORING you are, AM?
I’m outta here…chicken and noodles with cornbread tonight for dinner..yummmm!!!
Bush fkd this country up pretty bad, but we are still here. After Obama? Who knows. He, and if a super majority is elected, the Congress, will send this country so far to the left of where it is going now, so fast, that the whiplash will likely kill us all.
If we have a supermajority in COngress for the Democrats, you will see the true Obama come out, and it will not be pretty. But hey, it’s all good. Yeah, right. Hopefully I am wrong.
s for McCain, simply a loser who lacks any character. What integrity he did have has been lost in his desire to be President.
Too bad.
THanks President Bush. You made it all possible.
Mary, I think American_Way should post MORE of those stories! Every story s/he brings here is further proof that those who would commit fraud have been caught! Let’s catch them all! Let’s have more stories of how they were caught, not added to the voter rolls, not allowed to vote illegally! Ah, what a great service American_Way does for our blog by bringing us this good news!
American Way–
You can scream about the voter fraud all you want. Hell, you could even prove it true. Nobody really cares. They got the bit in their teeth and they are running with it. Nobody cares. Besides, the answer would always be,
“Well, Bush, and the United States Supreme Court did it first.” Doesn;t matter if it’s true or not. Voter fraud by Democrats isn;t selling in the Democrat camp, they would never believe that Democrats can do wrong. and the rest of the country is too busy watching Entertainment Tonight.
American Way–
You can scream about the voter fraud all you want. Hell, you could even prove it true. Nobody really cares. They got the bit in their teeth and they are running with it. Nobody cares. Besides, the answer would always be,
“Well, Bush, and the United States Supreme Court did it first.” Doesn;t matter if it’s true or not. Voter fraud by Democrats isn;t selling in the Democrat camp, they would never believe that Democrats can do wrong. and the rest of the country is too busy watching Entertainment Tonight.
THanks President Bush. You made it all possible.
Not just Bush but Tihart, Brownback, Roberts and the whole crew of Republicans that supported Biush.
“Not just Bush but Tihart, Brownback, Roberts and the whole crew of Republicans that supported Biush.”
[sigh] do I need post all the votes in Congress which democrats voted in favor of Bush agenda items?
Shall I start with the war in Iraq?
Or maybe the recent bill to spend 200 billion dollars for an Economic Disaster(I mean) Stimulus Package this spring?
Or maybe the recent 700 billion which is GOING TO THTE TEN RICHEST BANKS IN AMERICA for their executive parties?
Or maybe the most recent announcement of another failure: 150 Stimulus package.
Americans it seem, need more beer money and lot’s more debt!
Extra! Extra! READ ALL ABOUT IT!
Congress has worst rating in history.
Congress has worst debt 455 billion in history.
Congress has not passed but one or two of the bills it’s supposed to. But they did get those defense contractors money they passed the defense bill!
You thought Bush was bad? Take a look at your congress.
“Mary_Caruso
Posted October 20, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink
Has anyone ever told you how BORING you are, AM?”
Well Mary I’d rather be boring than ugly. I can get over being boring. You are stuck with ugly.
{you know you’ve gotten to a lib when they start attacking you personally.}
The following is an excerpt from Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s Wriston Lecture to the Manhattan Institute last Thursday:
When John F. Kennedy said in his inaugural address, “Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country,” we heard his words with ears that had been conditioned to receive this message and hearts that did not resist it. We heard it surrounded by fellow citizens who had known lives of sacrifice and hardships from war, the Great Depression and segregation. All around us seemed to ingest and echo his sentiment and his words. Our country and our principles were more important than our individual wants, and by discharging our responsibilities as citizens, neighbors, and students we would make our country better. It all made sense.
Today, we live in a far different environment. My generation, the self-indulgent “me” generation, has had a profound effect on much around us. Rarely do we hear a message of sacrifice — unless it is a justification for more taxation and transfers of wealth to others. Nor do we hear from leaders or politicians the message that there is something larger and more important than the government providing for all of our needs and wants — large and small. The message today seems more like: Ask not what you can do for yourselves or your country, but what your country must do for you.
I think project ‘Poll Bloat’ is working. Obama is spending money in all the wrong places.
(chortles)
The following is an excerpt from Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s Wriston Lecture to the Manhattan Institute last Thursday:
As important as our Constitution is, there is no one accepted way of interpreting it. Indeed, for some commentators, it seems that if they like or prefer a particular policy or conduct, then it must be constitutional; while the policies that they do not prefer or like are unconstitutional. Obviously, this approach cannot be right. But, it certainly is at the center of the process of selecting judges. It goes something like this. If a judge does not think that abortion is best as a matter of policy or personal opinion, then the thought is that he or she will find it unconstitutional; while the judge who thinks it is good policy will find it constitutional. Those who think this way often seem to believe that since this is the way they themselves think, everyone must be doing the same thing. In this sense, legal realism morphs into legal cynicism. Certainly this is no way to run a railroad, not to mention interpret the Constitution. . . .
Let me put it this way; there are really only two ways to interpret the Constitution — try to discern as best we can what the framers intended or make it up. No matter how ingenious, imaginative or artfully put, unless interpretive methodologies are tied to the original intent of the framers, they have no more basis in the Constitution than the latest football scores. To be sure, even the most conscientious effort to adhere to the original intent of the framers of our Constitution is flawed, as all methodologies and human institutions are; but at least originalism has the advantage of being legitimate and, I might add, impartial.
‘McCain Flatlines With Women‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-burk/mccain-flatlines-with-wom_b_136321.html
“Wait a minute — weren’t we all supposed to rush to McCain/Palin when Hillary folded her tent? After all, Palin wears a skirt (oh yeah, and high heels and lipstick), and McCain obviously figured we girl voters were too dumb to know the difference. But like so much else in his ill-fated campaign, the Palin ploy backfired. Even so, up to now it’s been a few WASP (Women Against Sarah Palin) t-shirts, homemade signs, and street corner demonstrations.
Now a major new website and online organizing tool has gone up on the web (FeministsForObama.org), courtesy of the Feminist Majority, whose President is veteran feminist Eleanor Smeal. “We don’t want a lingering doubt for any Hillary Clinton supporter or any independent woman about where McCain and Palin stand on women’s issues,” Smeal asserted.”
http://feministsforobama.org
donate if you can
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=2584
What I think of the voter fraud allegations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs
Regular
Posted October 20, 2008 at 5:37 pm | Permalink
I think project ‘Poll Bloat’ is working. Obama is spending money in all the wrong places.
(chortles)
Obama has so much money from everyday Americans that he actually will have a hard time spending it before the election. McCain not so much.
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 20, 2008 at 6:10 pm | Permalink
Obama has so much money from everyday Americans that he actually will have a hard time spending it before the election. McCain not so much.
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Obama was ‘fer’ campaign finance reform until he was ‘agin’ it.
Guess it’s true you can buy the Presidency.
Is it still the party of Ronald Reagan? Or has it moved beyond Reagan’s innate optimism and into a party that wants to build fences and demand ideological purity? Or can it come up with new ideas that could eventually provide some rejuvenation?
Truth is, after more than a decade of political dominance, the GOP is out of steam and on the verge of a civil war — with factions splitting among the foreign-policy hardliners, the tax-cutters and the social conservatives.
chortles>
Suck it up Reg after all you kept saying he’s full of magic!
THanks President Bush. You made it all possible.
Will they still praise rove as the architect?
(snickers, chortles, guffaws)
Lack of campaign money isn’t McCain’s problem. His problem is who he is, his beliefs, who he picked for VP, his bad policy plans, his erratic behaviour, etc,
‘McCain on Defense in Red States: Campaign Notebook’
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081011/pl_bloomberg/adet5mdigcms_1
It’s all over Repubs, Acorn is out in force, vote early, and vote often! (Even if you have to wait a couple hours to early vote.)
Long lines form as early voting begins in Florida
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Featured Topics: John McCain Barack Obama Play Video CBS4 Miami – Early Voting Begins Across Florida
Play Video Video: Obama encourages Florida democrats to vote early AP AP – Voters cast their votes in Miami, Monday, Oct. 20, 2008. The polls opened for the first day of early … MIAMI – Florida kicked off early voting on Monday, with record crowds heading to the polls and voters waiting hours to cast their ballots. Elections officials said the few reported problems were minor.
Final statewide numbers for ballots cast Monday won’t be available until Tuesday, but counties large and small, traditionally Democrat and traditionally Republican, were reporting record turnout. The early voting sites will remain open two weeks until the weekend before Election Day.
Chas, I hope to win all 3 spots. As Sheriff I will Enforce the Law, as a Senator I will Vote on and Write the Law, as a Representative, I will make sure the people get Representation in facilitating the process. I have witnessed alot of Laws being passed that are not Enforceable. I will gladly except the positions when Elected and support my fellow citizens in Anderson, Franklin, Miami, and Linn Counties, as a Senator and I will support them as a Sheriff, Representative in MI County. Herbert West 3rd, http://www.HerbertWest3rd.com , http://www.HerbertWest3rd-W-I-Senate-Ks.com , http://www.HerbertWest3rd-W-I-Representative-Ks.com west.herb@yahoo.com
For those who castigagte Palin from hiding from the press, not being available, etc., here you go:
COLORADO SPRINGS) It was less than two weeks ago when Sarah Palin astonished her traveling press corps by lifting the curtain (literally) and journeying to the back of her campaign plane to answer reporters’ questions for the first time after 40 days on the campaign trail. But the candidate who has been criticized for having a bunker mentality when it came to the national media can now lay legitimate claim to being more accessible than either Joe Biden or Barack Obama.
In the past two days alone, Palin has answered questions from her national press corps on three separate occasions. On Saturday, she held another plane availability, and on Sunday, she offered an impromptu press conference on the tarmac upon landing in Colorado Springs. A few minutes later, she answered even more questions from reporters during an off-the-record stop at a local ice cream shop.
By contrast, Biden hasn’t held a press conference in more than a month, and Obama hasn’t taken questions from his full traveling press corps since the end of September. John McCain—who spent most of the primary season holding what seemed like one, never-ending media availability—hasn’t done one since Sept. 23.”
Yeah, PALIN ia rhw onw hiding from questions. HAHAHAHAHA
YEah, right.
Sorry, forgot the link in case you were wondering
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20/politics/fromtheroad/entry4531447.shtml
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littlejohn
Posted October 20, 2008 at 5:15 pm | Permalink
Bush fkd this country up pretty bad, but we are still here. After Obama? Who knows. He, and if a super majority is elected, the Congress, will send this country so far to the left of where it is going now, so fast, that the whiplash will likely kill us all.
If we have a supermajority in COngress for the Democrats, you will see the true Obama come out, and it will not be pretty. But hey, it’s all good. Yeah, right. Hopefully I am wrong.
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The only good that would come out of it LJ, is that it would likely be a really short period of single party rule rather than a long painful deterioration like that which the Republicans presided over, and like the Democrats will almost certainly follow suit with.
As the familiar quote by John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton (Lord Acton)states: “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
Interestingly, the quote continues with: “Great men are almost always bad men.”
“you know you’ve gotten to a lib when they start attacking you personally”
Must be the same with a conservative, AM! Since you attacked me personally…nice to know I have SO much power!
PS…BTW, I’m not nearly as ugly as YOU! :)
I know nothing about Herbert WestIII, except his website has a quality recording of The Wall by Pink Floyd.
OOPS! Rule number 1 may be to have your text checked by an English major before posting.
“I wanted to express my desire and availability to become your Senator. If you choose too, you can “Write my name In” for the General Election. I am eligible to be your Senator and ask for your “Write-In’ vote in this General Election. I am a Candidate for Sheriff in Miami County Kansas. I am also asking Miami County Voters too “Write me In” to be their Representative. I can handle all 3 jobs. Senators and Representatives, write and pass Laws. Sheriffs Enforce them. I have witnessed too many Laws passed that can not be properly enforced.”
Baby Boomers…heh
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-walt-babyboomers-blurb,0,1036393.blurb
John Bachtell, the Illinois organizer for Communist Party USA, sees attempts by Sen. John McCain’s campaign to label Obama a socialist as offensive to socialists!!!
Apparently, the Obama campaign has bought nearly all available open commercial spots on TV up until election day.
LOL – guess who we will probably hear crying for the return of the Fairness Doctrine!!! WHAHAHAH!!!!!
Today marks the 2000th day since Bush declared mission accomplished.
What a long strange trip it’s been.
Foxnews
Monday, October 20, 2008
Barack Obama provided a glowing endorsement of a book by domestic terrorist William Ayers in the Dec. 21, 1997 Chicago Tribune.
Barack Obama, who has consistently downplayed his relationship with William Ayers during his presidential campaign, once gave a glowing endorsement of a book by the former domestic terrorist and was mentioned by name in the book itself.
A blogger unearthed the Dec. 21, 1997, endorsement in the Chicago Tribune and posted photographs of the praise for Ayers’ book on Zombietime.com Saturday.
Featured next to a smiling photograph of himself, then-State Senator Obama called Ayers’ book, “A Kind and Just Parent: Children of the Juvenile Court,” a “searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.”
The book, which details life at the Chicago Juvenile Court prison school, mentions Obama by name on page 82 when it describes Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood:
“Our neighbors include Muhammad Ali, former mayor Eugene Sawyer, poets Gwendolyn Brooks and Elizabeth Alexander, and writer Barack Obama. Minister Louis Farrakhan lives a block from our home and adds, we think, a unique dimension to the idea of ’safe neighborhood watch’: the Fruit of Islam, his security force, has an eye on things twenty-four-hours a day.”
The Obama campaign said the blurb was not a full-fledged review of the book.
“He didn’t do a review. He provided one line about the book to the Tribune,” campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told FOXNews.com.
A month before the item appeared, on Nov. 20, 1997, Michelle Obama, then dean of student services and director of the University Community Service Center, held a panel at the University of Chicago that featured both Barack Obama and Ayers.
“Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system,” the University of Chicago Chronicle reported on Nov. 6, 1997.
Obama has been criticized for refusing to elaborate on the extent of his relationship with Ayers and for claiming to have had no idea Ayers was a co-founder of the Wesather Underground, which claimed responsibility for bombing the Pentagon, U.S. Capitol and a New York Supreme Court justice’s home in the Sixties.
The Obama campaign has noted that Obama was 8 years old when Ayers and the Weather Underground were active and has no link to their activities. Ayers has said he has “no regrets” about his participation in the domestic terror group.
No affect to voters on the weblog, but those who are not so easily influenced by the charismatic of Jim Jones or The One, maybe.
Faux News…now THERE is an objective “news” source!
Better get used to the idea that soon Obama will be your president, AM! All the nasty accusations and insinuations are backfiring on the right wing political pundits….I love it!
I wonder why they don’t do a story about the stripper McCain ran around with, how he graduated at the very bottom of his class at the naval academy, about his numerous affairs while he was married, and how he left his disabled wife for the drug addicted beer heiress? Oh yeah, and what about the savings and loan scandal?
Yes, he IS a great example of a man with fine character. McCain is all about family values, right?
And all “Faux News” can focus on is how Obama (along with several prominent Republicans) served on a board 10 yrs ago with a 60s radical, who BTW, has renounced his past, turned his life around and is a respected college professor now.
Gezz…the cons are SO desperate!
Well, AM….are you giving up so quickly? :)
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will leave the campaign trail to go to Hawaii this week to visit the ailing grandmother who helped raise him, an aide said on Monday.
“Recently his grandmother has become ill and in the last few weeks her health has deteriorated to the point where her situation is very serious,” said Obama aide Robert Gibbs.
Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who will be 86 on Sunday, helped raise him along with his mother, Ann Dunham, and his grandfather, Stanley Dunham.
Gibbs would not discuss the nature of her illness.
The candidate is canceling events in Madison, Wisconsin, and Des Moines, Iowa, that had been scheduled for Thursday. He instead will go to an event in Indianapolis, Indiana, on Thursday, then fly to Hawaii to see his grandmother.
He will return to the campaign trail on Saturday, Gibbs said.
more at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSTRE49K07G20081021
mxyzptlk
Posted October 20, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink
Today marks the 2000th day since Bush declared mission accomplished.
What a long strange trip it’s been.
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And to think John McCain has stated he has no trouble with keeping our troops in Iraq for the next 100 years if that is what it takes.
And then McCain wonders why people think he is just like Bush???
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 20, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink
I wonder why they don’t do a story about the stripper McCain ran around with, how he graduated at the very bottom of his class at the naval academy, about his numerous affairs while he was married, and how he left his disabled wife for the drug addicted beer heiress? Oh yeah, and what about the savings and loan scandal?
Yes, he IS a great example of a man with fine character. McCain is all about family values, right?
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Mary, you don’t understand – to Republicans, this is normal family values – it is just their own special version. Their mantra is ‘do as I say and not as I do’.
Yeah, right.
From littlejohn’s link about Sarah Palin answering questions from the press, here is one of her answers:
Transitioning to the rising violence in Afghanistan, Palin meandered through her answer a bit more but succeeded in getting several points across.
“And we do need more troops in Afghanistan and we need that same surge strategy that’s worked in Iraq and we need to make sure that we have that counter-insurgency strategy, too, in place,” she said. “We need to grow our military. We need to incentivize our young Americans to realize what it is in terms of benefits and service our military can offer. We need to grow our military and get more troops in there. Work closer with the leaders in Afghanistan and make sure that with our NATO allies also that we are all working together there to fight that War on Terror there. Also, we can’t afford though to lose in Iraq and think we are going to be any better in Afghanistan. That’s why we are still opposed to an early or premature withdrawal from Iraq. We’ve got to win both the wars on both those fronts Afghanistan and Iraq.”
There isn’t any insight to be had but, read the few questions and answers published in the article here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20/politics/fromtheroad/entry4531447.shtml
Palin calling for a Constitutional Ban On Gay Marriage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8bxCXuPusk
Mom and Mary for two supporters of Bill Clinton I think you have lost your right to critize McCain about infidelity.
Mary wrote:
And all “Faux News” can focus on is how Obama (along with several prominent Republicans) served on a board 10 yrs ago with a 60s radical, who BTW, has renounced his past, turned his life around and is a respected college professor now.
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Did you really write this with a straight face. Ayers who on 9/11 while the towers were going up in smoke said no I don’t regret what I did. I regret that I didn’t do more. The man who put a picture of him trampling the American flag on the front of his book. The man who said ‘guilty as hell, free as a bird, what a great country’.
Sounds like a reformed man to me. This is the kind of logic that makes the democrats look dim.
Linda posted,
There isn’t any insight to be had but, read the few questions and answers published in the article here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20/politics/fromtheroad/entry4531447.shtml
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One insight is that Sarah Palin still seems to make almost incoherent, rambling sentences out of talking points.
Sen. John McCain.
‘The Power and The Story’
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,992801-8,00.html
“A presidential candidate is not supposed to tell you about the rules he broke or the strippers he dated, or the time he arrived so drunk that he fell through the screen door of the young lady he was wooing.
Guess I didn’t count what we already knew as insight. It had been a while since we heard anything more than memorized lines, so having the facts confirmed is noted. ;-)
The Daily Show is exceptional tonight! If you missed it you’ll want to catch it online or tomorrow when it is aired again.
“Ayers who on 9/11 while the towers were going up in smoke said no I don’t regret what I did.”
The interview was done sometime earlier. The ARTICLE ran on Sept. 11th.
Nice try to lie there okie.
Oh and for the record?
I did not live in those times (the 60’s) as more than a young child.
Looking into it, I consider William Ayers and his sort cultural heroes.
Here’s some propaganda from the evil terrorist Bill Ayers and some equally traitorous comrade.
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City Kids, City Dreams
By William Ayers and Patricia Ford
“What is it,” we asked a huge gathering of urban school administrators, “about the presence of large numbers of poor, African-American,or Latino city kids in your schools that makes those places …,” we paused dramatically, “wonderful?”
There was stunned silence. Several looks of disbelief. Some nervous laughter. And then a forceful response: “Come on,” said one older man, his voice ringing, almost angry. “Our jobs are hard enough without you ridiculing us.”
The opening question was not meant to ridicule but to examine a glib fiction about city kids. It is true that the last word “wonderful” sounds a decidedly discordant note. Until then the question hums along quite comfortably, a familiar melody. But when the anticipated last bar — something like “terrible,”or “difficult,” or “challenging” — is not delivered, the whole thing sounds out of tune.
It is within that jarring discrepancy that we want to begin to think about city kids and city teachers.
An insidious assumption sits heavy and dogmatic on most city schools: that there is nothing about the presence of African-American, Latino, or immigrant youngsters — especially, in today’s environment, Black boys — that is deemed valuable, hopeful, or important. Their very presence in school is seen as an encumbrance. They are an obstruction, a handicap, and a burden. If these youngsters are known at all, they are known exclusively by their deficits and their putative inadequacies.
Schools tend to focus on the least interesting and simplest of questions: What don’t these kids know? What can’t they do? School becomes, then, entirely a matter of remediation and repair. Good intentions not withstanding, feelings of hopelessness and despair define these places for kids and teachers alike.
We were asked recently to look at hundreds of applications filled out by city teachers who had been nominated for an “outstanding teacher” award. One question asked, “What is the biggest obstacle in your teaching? “To our amazement, nearly half of the respondents answered in one way or another that the kids were the biggest obstacle.
Not everyone just blurted it out. Many said things like, “I used to be a better teacher, but kids today have so many problems.”Some wrote, “If these kids could only speak English. …” It added up to a powerful message: that schools and classrooms would function much better if the kids would simply not show up.
Picture the Perfect School
Picture the perfect city school: the classrooms are always quiet, the cafeteria calm, the hallways orderly. No fights, no hassles, no graffiti. Bells ring, mimeo machines hum, paychecks are delivered. The place is efficient, clean, peaceful. No kids? No problem. In this context, even to raise the question of the value of city kids is to sound slightly mad.
Most city teachers struggle mightily to do a good job despite inadequate resources and difficult circumstances. But the structure of most city schools — the strict schedule, the division of knowledge, the press of time, the pretense toward rational efficiency, and the huge numbers of students — leads to a factory-like operation characterized by hierarchy, control, and anonymity. This structure, in turn, transforms teachers into clerks and students into objects to fear and coerce.
We do not contend that teaching in the city is identical to teaching in wealthy suburbs or rural areas. It is better in some ways, harder in others, interestingly similar yet importantly unique.
Most powerful, hopeful learning begins with the learners. Knowing city kids as learners, discovering them as three-dimensional beings, as fellow creatures, is an important place for teachers to begin. What experiences, knowledge, and skills do kids bring with them to school? What kinds of thought and intelligence are there to challenge and nurture? A sustained engagement with these questions is a basic starting point for city teachers. It is followed closely by the demand to create an environment for learning that is wide enough and deep enough to nurture and challenge the huge range of students who walk through the classroom door.
We reject the notion that city kids (or city teachers or the city itself, for that matter) can best be understood as all deficit, all danger. We see, instead, a sense of life, energy, freedom, and hope in the city and in poor, immigrant, and African-American communities.
This country faces an unmapped future whose core demand will be learning to live together, united yet diverse. It is a future being rehearsed in our schools and in our cities today. We need to embrace the energy and the freedom that is the signature of our cities and the hope of our city kids. Only in that way can helping our students create the future.
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http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/11_01/AyersFrd.shtml
New developments in Troppergate (it just doesn’t seem to go away!).
Before being named the VP candidate the Alaska State Legislature decided to investigate and voted to spend up to $100,000 to find out whether Governor Palin had abused her authority. That investigation report was released recently.
But, after being named the VP running mate of McCain, Palin opened an investigation with the State Personnel Board (all of whom she appointed). That investigation — the one Palin initiated — is ongoing and seems to be digging deeper than the other she decided not to cooperate with.
So many things prove fact is stranger than fiction…
And — today an Alaska legislator called on the State’s Attorney General to appoint an independent investigator to look into possible criminal witness tampering by McCain-Palin campaign staff in Alaska.
“Until Senator McCain sent campaign staff up here on Aug. 29, everyone, including the Governor, agreed the Legislature’s investigation was proper,” Gara said in his press release. “After the McCain staffers arrived, people who were willing to testify starting violating their subpoenas. It’s not rocket science that someone worked to change their minds, and that’s a crime under Alaska law.”
more at:
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/news/4-as-it-happens/234-was-there-witness-tampering-in-troopergate-investigation.html
Do you think there are days Governor Palin realizes where her ambitions have led?
For GMC:
Here is A table of AR’s.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=391332
It’s not exactly the one I had seen before, but it’s close. Good web site, in any case.
Once again AmWay spams the board with by and large unsupported allegations about widespread voter fraud. Meanwhile, he seems to be ignoring evidence of voter suppression, which, guess what, is actual voter fraud, as opposed to registration fraud.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/uselectionroadtrip/2008/oct/14/uselections2008
Furthermore, something smells in Wisconsin, and it’s coming from the Attorney General’s office.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=797225
http://blogs.jsonline.com/allpoliticswatch/archive/2008/09/04/four-of-six-judges-fail-voter-test.aspx
From what I’ve seen palin holds those improptu press availability meets when she’s screwed up something and need to clarify something she’s said.
Like the one about patriotic people.
I bet she just makes her statements and returns back to her section.
More in Florida.
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080924/OPINION/80923027/1004&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL
The GOP is really concerned about voter fraud.
Right. They are more concerned about increases in voter registration among those likely to vote democratic. They intentionally obsfucate the difference between registration fraud and voter fraud. Guess which kind of fraud blocking voters who have legal right to vote is, and guess which kind of fraud the workers who rip off ACORN are committing.
Here’s an (admitted) opinion piece concerning the federal attorney scandal
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/opinion/16fri1.html
“The claims of vote fraud used to promote these measures usually fall apart on close inspection, as Mr. McKay saw. Missouri Republicans have long charged that St. Louis voters, by which they mean black voters, registered as living on vacant lots. But when The St. Louis Post-Dispatch checked, it found that thousands of people lived in buildings on lots that the city had erroneously classified as vacant.”
This election is just more of the same.
Left wing radicals as differentiated from RW terrorist don’t set out to deliberately kill people, especially innocent civilans. But that doesn’t prevent the RW from trying to put the terrorist brand on the radicals.
Registration fraud does not appear to be just a Democratic/ACORN problem;
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story
Note, if the charges hold true, this is an example of REGISTRATION fraud, which does not equal voter fraud.
And now, I’m done with my own board spamming (hey, if I call it spamming when AmWay does it, then I should be consistent).
Goodnight.
It appears Rage and duh other Libs love singing the praises of William Ayers the terrorist.
Just because he terrorized and injured men, women and children by making and exploding bombs…bless his little heart, he’s just an English Professor now.
This sounds creepily like the situation in Ohio, wherein the GOP is trying to force ad hoc challenges to voters, as opposed to careful consideration before disenfranchising people.
In Florida, from Agnatha’s link:
Passed by the GOP-dominated Legislature as an anti-fraud measure, No Match, No Vote bars citizens from voting if their driver’s license or Social Security number don’t match information from government databases.
Stopping voter fraud is a fine idea, but the databases are error prone.
Simple glitches such as clerical typos toss out voters’ applications, and unusual spellings of names of new voters could cause “no match” results.
With no time for troubleshooting the system, that could falsely disenfranchise many who’ve done nothing wrong.
It’s up to local election officials to contact applicants whose registration forms run afoul of the databases.
But they’ve got their hands full dealing with the slew of new registrations, the need for more poll workers for an expected record turnout, and equipment failures such as one caused by Premier machines that delayed Brevard County voting results for hours in the August primary.
That means not all counties will have time to contact all voters with last-minute mismatches before Nov.
Having seen government databases (or for that matter, credit databases) up close, I can tell you that errors abound. It only follows that careful consideration should be made before removing someone from the voter rolls. It that doesn’t move your consciences, think some more: how easy is fraudulent voting, compared with voter suppression? Think about the logistics. Hell, just think!
Seeing some of the comments on this thread, I can only shake my head. Whew! Talk about desperation. My sympathies, folks.
On second thought, I’ll withhold my sympathies until after the election.
Love the Evard Munch paintings that have been used as a header on the open threads. Kinda describes the carnage here, or least a reasonable reaction to same.
Check this out offering at the Tallgrass Film Festival:
Naked City presents The Opening Night Gala: What’s the Matter with Kansas?
WHEN: Thursday, October 23, 7:30 PM
WHERE: Warren Old Town Theater, 353 N. Mead
The Opening Night Gala sponsored by Naked City will feature a Work-In-Progress screening of the documentary WHAT’S THE MATTER WITH KANSAS? inspired by the best-selling book by native Kansan Thomas Frank. The film, by Chicago filmmakers Laura Cohen and Joe Winston exposes how conservatives won the heart of America and examines populism in the past, present, and future through the eyes of several families and their experiences. Included in the film are several recognizable Wichita destinations including Watermark Books, Wild West World and Immanuel Baptist Church and faces like Dan Glickman, Terry Fox, Phil Kline and Julie Burkhart of ProKanDo. The film also covers historical events including the Summer of Mercy. Categorized as a “work-in-progress” as the film is still being finished, the screening affords festival-goers a unique opportunity to view a controversial film about Kansans and share their views and opinions with the filmmakers before the rest of the country sees the movie.
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http://www.tallgrassfilmfest.com/
Should be fun!
“Check out this offering…”
Late and time for me to check out…
Fla. rep.’s wife seeks divorce amid sex scandal
By KELLI KENNEDY
Associated Press Writer
MIAMI — The wife of a Florida congressman embroiled in an adultery scandal filed for divorce Monday.
U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney admitted last week to having at least two affairs, including with an aide he paid off to keep her quiet about their relationship. His wife, Terry Mahoney, did not comment on seeking the divorce, and her attorney, Karen Steger, said “the petition speaks for itself.”
The petition filed in a Palm Beach Gardens court asks for a dissolution of the marriage and for dividing assets, but does not give a reason. Florida is a no-fault divorce state.
Mahoney’s campaign had no comment, calling it “a personal matter” and the congressman did not return a telephone call seeking comment. At a news conference last week, Mahoney apologized to his wife, his grown daughter and his constituents for his actions.
However, the first-term Democrat, in a tight bid for re-election, insists he broke no laws and will not resign. Voters chose him on a family values platform to replace Mark Foley, a Republican who resigned amid revelations that he sent lurid Internet messages to teenage male pages who worked on Capitol Hill.
After ABC News reported the affair last week, Mahoney called for an investigation into his own conduct by the House Ethics Committee. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also called for an inquiry.
The 52-year-old Mahoney said he had a sexual relationship with 50-year-old Patricia Allen whom he met while campaigning in 2006. Allen worked for his congressional office, then his campaign. Mahoney said she was fired for performance issues, not because of the affair.
Allen threatened to sue Mahoney for sexual harassment and they reached a settlement to avoid a public airing of the affair. Her payout of about $122,000 came from Mahoney’s personal accounts, not from campaign funds or federal dollars, the congressman says.
Mahoney is also being investigated by the FBI to determine whether he broke any laws when he hired a mistress to work on his staff. Investigators also are looking into whether Mahoney showed preferential treatment to Martin County in his Florida district when he lobbied for $3.4 million in hurricane cleanup funds awarded last year.
Mahoney acknowledges that at the time he was having an affair with a high-ranking Martin County official, but insists he did nothing extra.
“Did you really write this with a straight face. Ayers who on 9/11 while the towers were going up in smoke said no I don’t regret what I did. I regret that I didn’t do more. The man who put a picture of him trampling the American flag on the front of his book. The man who said ‘guilty as hell, free as a bird, what a great country’.
Sounds like a reformed man to me. This is the kind of logic that makes the democrats look dim.”
Sorry, but your comments are bogus…Ayers long ago voiced his regrets for his actions in the 60s…the comments you posted were taken out of contexts and twisted around to fit the right wing agenda…I’ve posted his complete statments twice, obviously you never read them…now who’s “dim”? Keep drinking the koolaide, OK..we certainly don’t expect anything different from you.
Is Ayers a Democrat? Is anyone endorsing him? Is he running for anything?
Is it Day 2001 after Mission accomplished?
Is Osama Bin Laden in custody?
Is the Taliban not on the RISE in Afghanistan, and not a narco-state?
Would you walk through Baghdad tomorrow?
Is the economy in shambles?
Are you better off than than 4 years ago?
Do you REALLY think Hockey Mom can be President of the United States?
The man who prosecuted Bill Ayers:
“As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.
Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.
Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.”
-William C. Ibershof”
A million three hundred thousand new voters brought into the democratic process this year and eleven convictions over the 38 years that the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now as been in existence?
zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz
And who was it in the Bush Administration who broke the law by announcing the Justice Department investigation so close to the election?
Is Dick Cheney still dead?
In this piece the author says it doesn’t matter who the next president is there will be a realignment. He says that is because the catalyst is not the next president, but the current one.
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When the direction of politics shifts
The earth may be about to shift under American politics.
The pieces are in place for realignment. There is a simple way to understand what that means by looking at presidents associated with realignments.
Try these: Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan.
more at:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-oped1020madiganoct20,0,4506213.story
It doesn’t take much so the two opens with the same date have me confused. Pre will understand. ;-)
“Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.””
Nobody does. They simply link Senator Obama to Mr. Ayers. OBsfucate much?
“Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.”
Wasn;t the case against Ayers dropped because of prosecutorial misconduct?
Has Ayers ever been publicly repentent?
Littlejohn if he ever said he was repentent it wasn’t widely reported and believe with our leftist media it would have been. Not sure what Mary is talking about. Hope that she does post her evidence one more time.
Loved this from Bluejay:
BlueJay
Posted October 20, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink
Oh and for the record?
I did not live in those times (the 60’s) as more than a young child.
Looking into it, I consider William Ayers and his sort cultural heroes.
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I was a child of the 60’s and he wasn’t one of my heros! But it doesn’t surprise me that you see him as one. And by the way his article was published on 9/11. When the interview took place I don’t know anymore than you do. I can only look at his unpentent words that came out on the worse day in US history as our nation came under attack.
Unrepentent; “my regret is that I didn’t do more” as if bombing the pentagon, the NYPD, the capital building, the house of a federal judge, and on and on and on.
No Mary I don’t see repentent.
Littlejohn, IIRC, the case against Ayers was dropped due to unlawful wiretaps used to gain evidence (something to do with John Mitchell). That’s a bit more than “prosecutorial misconduct” to me.
But VT it wasn’t the absence of evidence. I agree that illegal means were used to get the evidence but even Ayers doesn’t say he was innocent. He said ‘guilty as hell, free as a bird, what a great country’. Daddy had a lot of money and that helped I am sure.
okobserver, it was the absence of lawfully obtained evidence (for those who like to split hairs) and the violation of Mr. (now Professor) Ayers’ constitutional rights.
As a “child of the 60s”, I find this whole thing a bit irrelevant to the current political scene. Similar to the Keating 5 matter, FWIW. Just my opinion.
avtolle posted October 21, 2008 at 2:36 pm
As a “child of the 60s”, I find this whole thing a bit irrelevant to the current political scene.
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As do most idependent and undecided voters.
Ayers is effective for the R-Wingnuts and some of McCain’s base, but most others see it for what it is — a desperate attempt at distracting from the important issues, like the economy.
A white collar crime as opposed to bombing of federal buildings and the killing of some innocents. There is absolute no comparison to the two. I am surprised that you would put the ‘constitutional’ argument in and then dismiss loss of life as irrelevant.
That is absolutely further left than I even expected from BJ and he is really out there. I am amazed and speechless that a scholarly person such as youself VT would even put this in a blog. This election has done something to peoples common sense.
“A white collar crime as opposed to bombing of federal buildings and the killing of some innocents. There is absolute no comparison to the two. I am surprised that you would put the ‘constitutional’ argument in and then dismiss loss of life as irrelevant.”
And I am amazed at the hubris of someone who would causually dismiss white collar crime. The S&L scandal put hard working people into POVERTY. It ruined hundreds, indeed thousands, of lives. The damage done by “white collar” criminals is far wider and and effects far more people than most spectacular violent crimes.
The relationship between Ayers and Obama was professional and has nothing to do with Ayer’s radical activities (Franklin’s and others’ whinings to the contrary) and is therefore a red herring. I am not as sure about the Keating 5 but I would agree that McCain’s record is mixed enough to give him the benefit of the doubt.