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Yes, more facts of the fact of evolution. Still waiting on that scientific evidence creationists claim they have.
Details Of Evolutionary Transition From Fish To Land Animals Revealed
ScienceDaily (Oct. 15, 2008) — New research has provided the first detailed look at the internal head skeleton of Tiktaalik roseae, the 375-million-year-old fossil animal that represents an important intermediate step in the evolutionary transition from fish to animals that walked on land.
A predator, up to nine feet long, with sharp teeth, a crocodile-like head and a flattened body, Tiktaalik’s anatomy and way of life straddle the divide between fish and land-living animals. First described in 2006, and quickly dubbed the “fishapod,” it had fish-like features such as a primitive jaw, fins and scales, as well as a skull, neck, ribs and parts of the limbs that are similar to tetrapods, four-legged animals.
The initial 2006 report did not describe the internal anatomy of the head, because those parts of the fossil were buried in rock. In the October 16, 2008, issue of Nature, the researchers describe this region and show how Tiktaalik was gaining structures that could allow it to support itself on solid ground and breathe air.
More of this article at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081015144123.htm
Democrat Barack Obama turned out enormous crowds at his two stops in battleground Missouri on Saturday in what campaign aides said was a strategy of using his ability to command huge crowds as a way to build excitement heading into the final two weeks of the presidential campaign.
An estimated 100,000 people showed up in St. Louis Saturday morning to hear Obama speak at the Gateway Arch — the largest crowd ever to hear Obama in the United States.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/54408.html
And McCain spoke to crowds of hundreds yesterday. That should tell us volumes.
CNN WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama raised more than $150 million in September, a stunning and unprecedented eruption of political giving that has given him a wide spending advantage over rival John McCain.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081019/ap_on_el_pr/obama_money
I just sent in my $100.
The federal government on Friday placed beluga whales that live in Cook Inlet in Alaska on the endangered species list, rejecting efforts by Gov. Sarah Palin and others against increased protection.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/us/18beluga.html?bl&ex=1224475200&en=12299783805b8c72&ei=5087
I hope Sarah handles rejection well.
Gen. Colin Powell endorses Barack Obama and spanks the Republican Party for its bigotry and John McCain for his erratic behavior and his lack of ethics and honor in his campaign.
DUNN, North Carolina (CNN) — Barack Obama’s campaign announced Sunday the Democratic presidential candidate raised $150 million in donations in September, setting a new high-water mark in campaign fundraising.
Barack Obama calls a prospective voter from a headquarters in Kansas City, Missouri, on Saturday.
In a campaign video, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said a record 632,000 new donors gave to the campaign, with the average contribution under $100. More than 3 million donors have given so far.
The Obama campaign raised $65 million in August.
(CNN) — Former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced Sunday that he will be voting for Sen. Barack Obama, citing the Democrat’s “ability to inspire” and the “inclusive nature of his campaign.”
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell says he is voting for Barack Obama.
“He has both style and substance. I think he is a transformational figure,” Powell said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
“Obama displayed a steadiness. Showed intellectual vigor. He has a definitive way of doing business that will do us well,” Powell said.
Powell, a retired U.S. general and a Republican, was once seen as a possible presidential candidate himself.
Powell said he questioned Sen. John McCain’s judgment in picking Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate because he doesn’t think she is ready to be president.
He also said he was disappointed with some of McCain’s campaign tactics, such as bringing up Obama’s ties to former 1960s radical Bill Ayers.
How much of McCain’s money comes from big oil, war profiteers, wall street fat cats, etc.?
Answer: 99.99999% of it.
Obama gets his money from WE the PEOPLE of the United States.
Alaskan “First Dude” and Snow Machine Racer Todd Palin holding a sign that says:
“Charlie Manson was a Community Organizer”
http://tinyurl.com/58rs2f
Hey, “Franklin,” it’s working!
Three things keep us free: God, Guns, Sarah!
Charles Manson was a community organizer
And, on a truck loaded with firewood: Let’s turn Washington DC into a hockey rink
Gee the Republican Party = fruitcakes, wackos, fringe lunatics, McCain.
There can no longer be any doubt that Todd and Sarah Palin are anarchists bent on destroying the United States of America. They will say and do anything to gain power and McCain has given them a voice.
You’re beginning to post like phantom/beber there mxyzptlk.
That is, instead of making one post, you making several short annoying posts that no one really reads.
you’re making…
“Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama”
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/washington/AP-Powell.html
Wow.
And in other military news, Obama supporters are coming out in droves here in SE Virginia, as Blue Star Families for Obama:
It’s OK to be politically blue, military wives say
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/its-ok-be-politically-blue-military-wives-say
Great news for Obama, and the USA.
If Obama were even remotely associated with terrorism — even REMOTELY — this would never happen.
You’re right Reg. I got a little carried away. However, I am pleased that your man and party got the national spanking they deserve from Gen Colin Powell as the party of bigots. He indicated that you Republicans have lost your way.
Now Toady Todd is out there working for anarchists and that’s just fine with you isn’t it Reg?
Powell would have made a great candidate for president if he hadn’t been thrown under the bus by the bush/cheney/rove gang of three. Regardless of who’s elected, that group of “above the law” thugs will be gone.
Actually, the Republican party is the party of Lincoln.
The Democrats was the party of great slave plantations and now have made inner cities their new plantations, keeping poor people poor dependent on their new masters.
The party of Lincoln is now the party of bigots and despots:
Regular
Posted October 11, 2008
The negro senator from Illinois
the kommie socialist Osama Obama
Osama “Chitterlings” Obama
Osama the “Magic Negro” Obama has
BlueJay
Posted October 19, 2008 at 1:10 am | Permalink
Joe the plumber PRESUMABLY has to work for a living.
And you “Regular?”
“Joe the plumber” is a suck up. He THINKS he can be rich someday fine. Me? That is not my aspiration OR experience. I don’t aspire as Joe does to live off someone else’s labor.
In what I do and how I live, I DO work to “spread the wealth around”.
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Make you a deal,you speread your wealth if you want to and let me keep mine if I so choose.
speread = spread
ABC’s “This Week” noted this week’s passing of Edie Adams. Her husband always called her “Edith.”
Lest we forget, here’s a sample of Ernie Kovacs’ genius.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUQuixD3QMQ&feature=related
Also, the Four Tops’ lead singer Levi Tubbs passed this week.
Here’s one of their sweetest moments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5SCYxAMB0&feature=related
Don’t know about the rest of you but endorsments do not help me decide on who to vote for. An endorsment is just an opinion which is no more or less valid than my own
“Heaven” is a little happier place with those great souls joining the party.
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Freebird1971
Posted October 19, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
Don’t know about the rest of you but endorsments do not help me decide on who to vote for. An endorsment is just an opinion which is no more or less valid than my own
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That’s about what I’d expect from a conservative right after Powell endorses Obama. Powell’s opinion is highly respected both on the right and the left. His endorsement of Obama will make a difference to swing voters.
XXX
Posted October 19, 2008 at 9:48 am | Permalink
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Freebird1971
Posted October 19, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
Don’t know about the rest of you but endorsments do not help me decide on who to vote for. An endorsment is just an opinion which is no more or less valid than my own
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That’s about what I’d expect from a conservative right after Powell endorses Obama. Powell’s opinion is highly respected both on the right and the left. His endorsement of Obama will make a difference to swing voters.
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FYI,I’m not voting for either one,in some things I’m conservative in others not so much. One thing for sure is I don’t let a person’s opinion either pro or con decide for me who I’m going to vote for.
Sorry you don’t feel that way and let other people mold your views
“Don’t know about the rest of you but endorsments do not help me decide on who to vote for. An endorsment is just an opinion which is no more or less valid than my own” — Freebird
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Colin Powell has far greater experience than I will ever have and is an important person to pay attention to. I listen to them all in coming to my own decision. On that point you and I agree — it is our own individual decision to make. I want mine to be a fully informed one.
Endorsements only seem to matter when they are for Obama.
Do we ever hear about who endorsed McCain?
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In some things I am conservative such welfare spending, punishing the rich and border security. In other areas such as abortion,gay rights,and defense policy,I would be considered by some as a liberal. So when you call me a con you are painting with a narrow brush. What I am is an American
Tell us who endorsed McCain. Bring their words here or links so we can hear / read their endorsement.
mxyzptlk posts:
“There can no longer be any doubt that Todd and Sarah Palin are anarchists bent on destroying the United States of America. ”
There can no longer be any doubt that Barack OBama, Rev Wright, Ayers, and the radical socialists bent on destroying the United States of America. A completely socialist society built on the worker class.
Sound familiar?
Linda,
My point was made. That it only matters when people endorse Obama.
I even bet the EDITORS give us a thread on the subject.
linda,
You said what I was trying to say. I listen to every opinion and take them into account. ,but the bottom line is that I make my own choice,and an endorsement or lack of one is not going to be a deciding factor
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 19, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink
The party of Lincoln is now the party of bigots and despots:
Regular
Posted October 11, 2008
The negro senator from Illinois
the kommie socialist Osama Obama
Osama “Chitterlings” Obama
Osama the “Magic Negro” Obama has
It appears that mxyzptlk only purpose on this Blog is to agitate and stir up trouble.
Posting opinions on an opinion blog is not a new idea, it is the very purpose of a blog.
How They Cheat
by Connie Hair
“The Ohio Secretary of State, Democrat Jennifer Brunner, was forced to reveal this week that she is sitting on over 200,000 possibly fraudulent voter registrations. The documents have a variety of problems such as mismatched drivers license and Social Security numbers. Despite mounting evidence of voter fraud and the staggering number of problem registrations, Brunner Wednesday night appealed to the United States Supreme Court to stay the 6th Circuit Court order requiring that she provide the data from these problematic registrations to the local elections boards for identity verification. Justice John Paul Stevens handles emergency matters for the 6th Circuit. As of deadline Thursday, silence from the court.
There are many ways to defraud the voting system. An Ohio man, Darnell Nash, registered to vote multiple times at several different addresses. Nash cast at least one fraudulent ballot attached to the address of a legally registered voter. In Columbus, a group of out-of-state Obama activists — all Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright, and Truman Scholars studying abroad — registered from a single address. The group calls itself “Vote from Home ‘08” and organizes over the worldwide web. One of the members has already voted absentee, yet none have any historical ties to Ohio. All are under investigation. They were exposed by a local group of student journalists.
ACORN, the community organizer group claiming over 1.3 million registrations across the country this election cycle, has been under fire in Ohio for a broad range of actions, including registering one man to vote 72 times. The fraud allegations involving ACORN are so widespread that the FBI on Thursday stepped in to investigate the possibility of a coordinated effort on the part of the group to facilitate fraudulent voter registration in 14 states.
Heather Heidelbaugh, a vice president for the Republican National Lawyer’s Association and an elections law attorney, spoke with me about ACORN and the problems related to the staggering revelations coming out of Ohio.
“It appears that what we’re dealing with in the 2008 election is massive, committed, organization-wide voter registration fraud,” Heidelbaugh said. “Certainly what we do know is that with massive voter registration efforts, you’re going to burden a typical election division office. Thousands and thousands of these registrations are dropped on election division offices, and the workers are overwhelmed.”
Heidelbaugh continued, “The ultimate question is… for instance, in the Ohio case where the gentleman, I think his name was Mr. Johnson, was registered 72 times, whether there would be any organizational efforts to try to request absentee ballots. If the election division was overwhelmed, and did not know that there were 72 registrations for one single person, and there were 72 requests for absentee ballots, the potential exists for that person to vote 72 times.”
Dead or non-existent people do not have to walk into a precinct or mail in an absentee ballot to dimple their chad this election. With fraudulent registrations on the voter rolls, Heidelbaugh explains, “There are polling locations where there is not a single registered Republican voter. None of the elections officials monitoring that particular polling place are Republican. If you have… say 1,000 registered voters that were legitimate registered voters, and ACORN had illegitimately registered another 1,000 and there were no eyes and ears to make sure that a fair and accurate vote took place in a particular voting place, it’s possible… that a precinct worker could vote those registered voters that don’t exist or who have registered multiple times.”
The potential for stealing this election through fraudulent voting in targeted precincts has reached critical mass.
“People are so concerned about the registration process because that is the beginning gate-keeping function of the government — to make sure that only those that are legitimately able to vote can be registered,” Heidelbaugh added.
Once the fraudulent voters are on the rolls unchecked and the resulting contaminated votes have mingled with the authentic ballots, there is little recourse. The seriousness of these allegations and how we as a nation deal with the thuggery will decide if we remain a free people or take a fatal step toward the radical left’s Marxist utopia of tyranny.”
Powell’s endorsement probably won’t determine anybody’s vote, not 100%.
However. One McCain charge that Powell’s endorsement removes, however, is the smear that Obama is/was associated with terrorism in any way.
That charge has now been shown to be nothing but a smear tactic used by those too callow to engage Obama in the realm of ideas.
On Thursday, October 20, 1977, just three days after the release of Street Survivors, and four dates into their most successful headlining tour to date, Lynyrd Skynyrd’s chartered Convair 240 developed mechanical difficulties near the end of their flight from Greenville, South Carolina to LSU in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Though the pilots attempted an emergency landing on a small airstrip, the plane ran out of fuel and crashed in a forest near Gillsburg, Mississippi. Ronnie Van Zant, Steve Gaines, Cassie Gaines, assistant road manager Dean Kilpatrick, pilot Walter McCreary and co-pilot William Gray were all killed on impact
31 years ago and the music lives on
McCain and especially Palin will now pursue their smearing of Obama, as a terrorist, at their own peril.
Hey CONs –
Joe McCarthy called.
He wants his talking points back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYic-W9wkhc
Freebird1971, you ever listen to the Drive-By Truckers?
Some not really familar with them,any listening suggestions?
MH,
How are you this fine Sun morning?
Patterson Hood, the leader of the DBT, is the son of David Hood, of the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section down in Alabama. They used to back Aretha Franklin, Wilson Pickett, Rod Stewart, Bob Seger, Traffic…a bunch of great old rock and R&B bands. Kid’s pretty steeped in Southern rock music.
If you like Lynyrd Skynyrd, you might also enjoy the DBT. Especially “Southern Rock Opera,” which is a tribute (of sorts) to Ronnie Van Zant and LS.
Thanks I’ll check it out. Do they have anything on you tube?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOyve2jKxYs
Zip City, from Southern Rock Opera. The singer is Mike Cooley, who writes about half their tunes. Another great tune is Women Without Whiskey, and 72 (This Highway’s Mean).
Not a great version at the link, but it’s a great song (imo). I saw these guys a couple months ago up here in Norfolk. They just about blew the roof off the NorVa here.
Hey, there “Freebird1971″ –
Doin’ fine, thanks.
Been surfing YouTube with the Sunday morning bobblehead shows on in the background.
Will have a big Sunday dinner and probably fall asleep during the Chiefs’ game (since they tend to).
Pendant I’ll check it out thanks.
Regular pretends he’s not a bigot so I posted his own words so there can be no doubt as to who he is and what Republicans appear to stand for TODAY.
Regular
Posted October 19, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink
Actually, the Republican party is the party of Lincoln.
The Democrats was the party of great slave plantations and now have made inner cities their new plantations, keeping poor people poor dependent on their new masters.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 19, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink
The party of Lincoln is now the party of bigots and despots:
Regular
Posted October 11, 2008
The negro senator from Illinois
the kommie socialist Osama Obama
Osama “Chitterlings” Obama
Osama the “Magic Negro” Obama has
MH,
I’ll probably go over and see the son and his wife for a while. Don’t get to see much of my son lately since he is in firefighter school. He is either at school or studying. I will have to torment my dau in law she is a die hard chiefs fan and I’m a steelers fan.
I understand the Powell endorsement of Senator Obama is MUST SEE TV.
His endorsement can be seen as MEET THE PRESS airs again later today.
Oh Blue, it really is good. Don’t miss it!
WHERE does McCain go now?
He and Sarah Palin have already plumbed the deepest depths of dirty fighting. What, do they now go after Powell too?
For the more reasoned on the con side of things, here is where I think you are at.
You can’t win. Even if you win….you can’t win.
One more Senate seat?
And we can REALLY get some leverage at fixing this country.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
In all reality how much impact do you think this endorsement is going to have? I think it will impact only the people that don’t have the courage of their convictions
Former bush Secretary of State Colin Powell’s eloquent endorsement of Senator Obama to be the next President of the United States can be seen at 5 PM this afternoon on MSNBC.
“You can’t win. Even if you win….you can’t win.”
You got that right whoever wins nobody wins.
You might ask…
WHERE are we at in my analogy of this election with the movie “Titanic”?
Remember that moment in the film where the Captain is on the bridge having tea and water is rising around the bridge windows?
THEN the windows give way to the deluge and drown the Captain?
I figure we’re about there.
Rising panic.
“BlueJay” –
You can see Powell’s endorsement here.
http://www.bobcesca.com/
‘OUR COMPLETE ENDORSEMENT TALLY: Obama Widens Nearly 4-1 Lead’
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230
BARACK OBAMA
76 newspapers total
Over 10 million circulation (we are still counting)
…
JOHN McCAIN
19newspapers total
About 2 million daily circulation
OLD Mr. Straight Talk has become so shaky a speaker that when he does talk straight, it’s startling. On Wednesday night, John McCain mustered exactly one such moment of clarity: “Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago.”
Thanks largely to this line, McCain’s remaining base in the political press graded his last debate performance his best. The public, not so much. As with the previous debates, every poll found Barack Obama the winner, this time by as much as two-to-one ratios. Obama even swept the focus group convened by the G.O.P. pollster Frank Luntz in the once-impregnable McCain bunker of Fox News.
Perhaps voters were unimpressed by McCain’s big moment because they can figure out the obvious rejoinder: Why didn’t McCain run against President Bush four years ago — as he had four years before that? Instead McCain campaigned for Bush’s re-election, cheered for Bush policies he once opposed and helped lower himself and America into the pit where we find ourselves today.
Do you people really care about endorsments?
Trace Adkins and Lynrd Skynrd will be in Nashville, on New Year’s Eve, Dec. 31, 2008.
Hmmmmm….
The cons are largely silent today.
When we DO hear from them, we will see the best of a few….
….and the very worst of the many.
For McCain, I expect that behind the scenes, close friends are advising him to accept reality and not destroy what is left of his political legacy with some sort of bloody last stand.
Colin Powell said McCain’s choice of Palin raised questions about judgment.
“I don’t believe she’s ready to be president of the United States,” Powell said.
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Will Sarah Palin’s campaign try to hide Powell’s comment from her?
Does she even know who Powell is?
God I hope so. Bob Dole campaigned to the end in ‘96 but he never lost his dignity.
She didn’t know who Alec Baldwin is obviously. Why would she know Powell?
Kansans?
You have been deceived by a lie. The Republican party of the last 25 years is, at its core, nothing but greed.
It is time to for each of us to start thinking along the same line.
As a wave of D(d)emocratic reform sweeps America, where do we want Kansas to be?
Do we want Republican representatives for Kansas in a Democrat majority House of Representatives?
Do we want to complete nearly a century of consistently sending a Republican to stand for us in the Senate? EVEN in a Senate where Republicans may have no voice at all?
If we wish Kansas to have a place in the future, Kansas MUST be part of the reform.
Elect Slattery for Senate. Elect Betts to replace increasingly irellevant Tiahrt.
mxyzptlk posted October 19, 2008 at 11:45 am
Perhaps voters were unimpressed by McCain’s big moment because they can figure out the obvious rejoinder: Why didn’t McCain run against President Bush four years ago — as he had four years before that?
Instead McCain campaigned for Bush’s re-election, cheered for Bush policies he once opposed and helped lower himself and America into the pit where we find ourselves today.
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Frontline has a documentary about McCain being angry at Bush when he won the Repub primaries in 2000, and then flip-flopping to help Bush in 2004.
Erratic, unprincipled, and . . . ?
‘McCain Hugs Bush‘
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/McCain-Bush-Hug.htm
Chas
Posted October 19, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink
Trace Adkins and Lynrd Skynrd will be in Nashville, on New Year’s Eve, Dec. 31, 2008.
Hmmmmm….
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Having known the original Lynrd Skynrd I have never been able to accept this group as the real deal.
I should have mentioned Steve and Cassie Gaines as part of the ‘originals’. A part of my growing up years.
Erratic, unprincipled, and . . . ?
Answer: Bush’s butt buddy.
BlueJay
Posted October 19, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink
Former bush Secretary of State Colin Powell’s eloquent endorsement of Senator Obama to be the next President of the United States can be seen at 5 PM this afternoon on MSNBC.
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But Bluejay you have railed on this man for years because of his speech in front of the UN. Now all ofa a sudden he is a man of great wisdom. Strange logic there.
okobserver
Posted October 19, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted October 19, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink
Trace Adkins and Lynrd Skynrd will be in Nashville, on New Year’s Eve, Dec. 31, 2008.
Hmmmmm….
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Having known the original Lynrd Skynrd I have never been able to accept this group as the real deal.
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I don’t really look at them as the real deal either but the new members along with the 3 original members are keeping the music and legacy of LS alive for future generations. If you have ever been to a concert you will see 2nd and 3rd generation fans who know the music and history of the band.
BlueJay
Posted October 19, 2008 at 12:05 pm | Permalink
Kansans?
You have been deceived by a lie. The Republican party of the last 25 years is, at its core, nothing but greed.
It is time to for each of us to start thinking along the same line.
As a wave of D(d)emocratic reform sweeps America, where do we want Kansas to be?
Do we want Republican representatives for Kansas in a Democrat majority House of Representatives?
Do we want to complete nearly a century of consistently sending a Republican to stand for us in the Senate? EVEN in a Senate where Republicans may have no voice at all?
If we wish Kansas to have a place in the future, Kansas MUST be part of the reform.
Elect Slattery for Senate. Elect Betts to replace increasingly irellevant Tiahrt.
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ROTFLMAO,as if that little speech is going to make a difference with anyone.
Ahhh… but one never knows!!
While the CONs are sticking to their phony talking points (see Phineas Phogg above) about “voter fraud,” the real election fraud is happening even as we speak.
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810170676
October 18, 2008
Some early W.Va. voters angry over switched votes
Jackson County touch-screens switched votes, 3 residents say
At least three early voters in Jackson County had a hard time voting for candidates they want to win.
By Paul J. Nyden
Staff writer
At least three early voters in Jackson County had a hard time voting for candidates they want to win.
Virginia Matheney and Calvin Thomas said touch-screen machines in the county clerk’s office in Ripley kept switching their votes from Democratic to Republican candidates.
“When I touched the screen for Barack Obama, the check mark moved from his box to the box indicating a vote for John McCain,” said Matheney, who lives in Kenna.
When she reported the problem, she said, the poll worker in charge “responded that everything was all right. It was just that the screen was sensitive and I was touching the screen too hard. She instructed me to use only my fingernail.”
Even after she began using her fingernail, Matheney said, the problem persisted.
(More at link)
Do we ever hear about who endorsed McCain?
Yeah, Dubya does. :)
Yeah . . . vote switching always happens FROM Democrats TO Republicans.
Normal. Perfectly fine. Nothing to see here . . .
It’s much easier to believe that an army of poor and powerless people have organized themselves into a conspiracy to throw the election than that a few insiders could hack the computer voting system.
That’s what “being Republican” means. Ignoring the good evidence to seize on the phony balony.
Obama even swept the focus group convened by the G.O.P. pollster Frank Luntz in the once-impregnable McCain bunker of Fox News.
Luntz appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher this past Friday night and announced the poll numbers. He’s often a guest there, not only during elections, but throughout the year.
I get overwhelmed by he vastness of Doom and Gloom exaggerations….
“nattering nabobs of negativism..”
CapN… I should hope that somebody there in WVa made a FAST contact to the Fed. Election Commission…. That problem HAS to be fixed before Nov. 4….
If not, it wont matter how many votes Obama gets… He will still lose… to a machine…
Will McCain’s campaign let Sarah Palin read this?
‘Barack Obama for president‘
http://www.kansascity.com/340/story/845717.html
“Despite his age and previous health problems, McCain chose a vice presidential candidate who is so clearly unqualified for high office that the thought of her stepping into the presidency is frightening.
That irresponsible decision casts serious doubt on McCain’s judgment at this point in his political career. And over the past eight years, Americans have come to know, all too well, the high price of carelessness and ineptitude in the White House.”
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Ouch!
The important point of General Powell’s endorsement is that it shatters the phony claim that Senator Obama is somehow a danger to America.
Powell powerfully discredited the phony “associates” issue.
And on every occasion, Obama is explaining the facts of his tax cuts to middle class taxpayers. There is no “hand-out” from taxpayers to non-taxpayers. It is a reduction in the payroll tax.
People who don’t work do not get a payroll tax reduction. McCain is yelling about a plan that does not exist.
Here’s the trascript of this morning’s Meet The Press show.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27266223/
RNC spokes-drones on TV FINALLY being called on the lie that tax increases are coming for middle-income people.
Colin Powell:
I’m also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say.
And it is permitted to be said such things as, “Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.”
Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he’s a Christian.
He’s always been a Christian.
But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?
The answer’s no, that’s not America.
Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?
Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, “He’s a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists.”
This is not the way we should be doing it in America.
And yet there are those here and many other liberals who say:
Palin is a fundamentalist Christian.
Did you see the video of her being prayed over by her pastor?
Did you see her say that she hopes the oil pipeline is God’s will?
Well you know what? Palin is a Christian. She does believe what the Bible says. She does pray and hope that things are God’s will.
And you liberals should be saying so what.
Instead you use these things to scare people and to mock her.
That is not the way we should be doing things here in America.
Little Christian girls should be able to look up to Palin and say that they could be Vice President or President one day too.
“Nathaniel” asks –
“Did you see the video of her being prayed over by her pastor?”
Yeah, I saw that one, where the pastor prayed against witches.
Sorry, but that’s a little close to the shoals of mainstream religion. Even if that’s where you chose to tread.
Nathaniel
When has anyone attacked her for her religion? If she wants to believe in witchcraft or speaking in tongues or whatever else she believes that is fine.
Many still think she is not qualified to be Vice-President because of her lack of knowledge not because of her religion. Ashcroft was/is a Pentecostal similiar to Palin and nobody minded his religion. They may not have liked HIM but religion has not been part of the debate.
Gravitas
http://tinyurl.com/5vdb9g
Heckler
Posted October 19, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink
Gravitas
http://tinyurl.com/5vdb9g
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Come on, it’s just one more tiny step and you’ll be there, the place where we all knew yall’d go.
Just say it now and be done with it: Gen. Powell is a traitor and quite possibly a terrorist.
You know you want to!
Nathaniel
Posted October 19, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
And yet there are those here and many other liberals who say:
Palin is a fundamentalist Christian.
Did you see the video of her being prayed over by her pastor?
Did you see her say that she hopes the oil pipeline is God’s will?
Well you know what? Palin is a Christian. She does believe what the Bible says. She does pray and hope that things are God’s will.
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Where is her self-reflection, her introspection?
The problem with people like Palin is that “praying and hoping that things are God’s will” IS scary, at least to people like me. I get very nervous when people start mentioning God and government in the same sentence. Usually there is suffering to follow and it’s never them who seem to do any of the heavy lifting there.
Here’s why. The Republics Powell mentioned above, those who wish to scare Americans by starting rumors that Obama is secretly a Muslim terrorist, they’re trying to make Americans imagine a USA where everything we hold dear is wiped out in the name of Allah.
The problem is that, at least for Sarah Palin, she TOO seems to want to make this country into a place where everything I hold dear is wiped out in the name of God’s will. Of course I don’t speak for most (probably not even many), but if you ask me anyway I’ll tell you that I really don’t see a whole lot of difference between Allah and God. Both of ‘em offer serious suffering in this life, and promises for the next.
Nathaniel
Posted October 19, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
And yet there are those here and many other liberals who say:
Palin is a fundamentalist Christian.
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They would only say such a thing in ignorance… Ms. Palin is NOT a fundamentalist Christian. She is a Pentecostal Christian… And yes, there is a big difference.
Come on Liberals… get this right… Ms. Palin is a Pentecostal. Lets not insult the Fundamentalists on that one….
Nathaniel posted October 19, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Little Christian girls should be able to look up to Palin and say that they could be Vice President or President one day too.
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First they have to become Gov of Alaska, so that they can claim foreign policy credentials, because Russia is a neighbor of Alaska.
They also have to learn how to smile while telling lies.
Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?
Apparently a lot of people seem to think so, though that would appear to be changing:
Keith Ellison is an African-American who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam at the age of 19, while attending college. He is a lawyer with a background in civil rights, and was elected to the Minnesota House of Representatives in 2002.
In 2006, in the election that gave the U.S. House back to the Democrats, Ellison won his U.S. House race for Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District with 56% of the vote, thus becoming the first Muslim ever elected to the U.S. Congress.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Time%20for%20change/372
P.S. Note: I do believe this is the first time I’ve ever linked to Democratic Underground–it just happened to be the first on-topic link.
More from the article:
With the Bush/Cheney attack on our Constitution and their decision that neither the Geneva Conventions nor any other international law applied to their “War on Terror”, Muslims were essentially relegated not merely to “second class citizenship” but to sub-human status. They were consequently imprisoned indefinitely by the thousands, with none of the legal rights afforded to them which typically characterize a civilized society, and often tortured as well. I regularly receive anti-Muslim hate e-mails from the conservative on-line magazine, “Human Events”. And what is especially troubling about all this is that the majority of Americans have at least passively accepted this situation, or are entirely ignorant of it.
For these reasons and more, I see it as a very hopeful sign that in a post-9/11 environment, with so much anti-Muslim feeling running wild in our country, that there is at least one part of the country where a Muslim could be elected to Congress. And I see it as not just a sign, but as significant corrective action. Nothing alleviates prejudice, in my opinion, more than exposure to people from despised groups who serve as a good role model.
Ah, Heckler’s linking to Michelle Malkin. That rather speaks for itself, don’t ya think?
Rage —- It’s sort of too bad that Michelle Bachman, who is looking for “Anti-Americans” in Congress also comes from the same State that elected Keith Ellison to the U.S. House…. Not sure what that says… But I think it shows the Terrible Chasm we have developed in this country….
“The problem with people like Palin is that “praying and hoping that things are God’s will” IS scary, at least to people like me.”
A big second THAT emotion. Those who would bring us “God’s will” have more than just claim of divine assignment on their side.
They get the go along of never EVER being wrong. At least not in the court of their own belief.
If God has will for me, I’ll oblige him an in person introduction discussion.
Predestined
Posted October 19, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
Do we ever hear about who endorsed McCain?
Yeah, Dubya does. :)
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Yep… Dubya, and oh, yea, Chuck Norris…
A great analysis, re various factors involved.
‘Halperin: How the Powell Endorsement Boosts Obama‘
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1851832,00.html
But most importantly, Goldwater was deeply concerned about the Religious Right’s relentless war on the Constitution and basic American freedoms. In a Sept. 15, 1981 senate speech, Goldwater noted that Falwell’s Moral Majority, anti-abortion groups and other Religious Right outfits were sometimes referred to in the press as the “New Right” and the “New Conservatism.” Responded Goldwater, “Well, I’ve spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the ‘Old Conservatism.’ And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength.” Insisted Goldwater, “Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. . . “By maintaining the separation of church and state,” he explained, “the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars . . . Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?”
Goldwater concluded with a waming to the American people. “The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others,” { he said,} “unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. . . We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn’t stop now” { he insisted}. “To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic.”
So Nathaniel never bothered to back up his premise that people used Palin’s religion to scare people. Shocked am I!
Whether she used it or not, Palin’s religion does scare rational folks.
Mccain so far has W’s and Mid Night Cowboy’s endorsement. Think that may be it, has cheney committed yet?
Mccain so far has W’s and Mid Night Cowboy’s endorsement. Think that may be it, has cheney committed yet? — Pantom
Ted Nungent.
Time for Meet the Press and Powell’s endorsement.
An interesting read, cosmos’s link.
There really does seem to be calculation in Powell’s endorsement.
He HAS to have made the decision some time ago, but has saved it for so late in the game McCain has almost no time or means to recover.
Cheney is safe in an undisclosed location…. AGAIN…. The “Bunker” VP
Nugent is more screwed up than McCain and Palin put together…. Shoot, Nugent is nearly as messed up as Michael Savage!
I read someplace that if Palin spent $50,000 redecorating the mayor’s office in Wasilla, as reported, what would she need to spend to redo the undisclosed location? Surely it needs to come down to the stud walls as a starting place…
“Ah, Heckler’s linking to Michelle Malkin. That rather speaks for itself, don’t ya think?”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And then he whiiiiiiiiines about anyone linking to kos or huffpo!
mxyzptlk
Posted October 19, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink
So Nathaniel never bothered to back up his premise that people used Palin’s religion to scare people. Shocked am I!
HERE YOU GO:
Pedant
Posted October 19, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink
“The problem with people like Palin is that “praying and hoping that things are God’s will” IS scary, at least to people like me. I get very nervous when people start mentioning God and government in the same sentence. Usually there is suffering to follow and it’s never them who seem to do any of the heavy lifting there.”
“The problem is that, at least for Sarah Palin, she TOO seems to want to make this country into a place where everything I hold dear is wiped out in the name of God’s will.”
The timing of the Powell endorsement is political perfection.
IF McCain has an October bomb to drop, it will fall sometime in the next two days.
I don’t think he has anything. But even if he DOES it will have to be Earth shaking to be seen as anything more than panicked, damp, fear.
“Today, I am beyond honored and deeply humbled to have the support of Gen. Colin Powell,” Obama told a crowd of 10,000 in Fayetteville, N.C.
“Gen. Powell has defended this nation bravely, and he has embodied our highest ideals through his long and distinguished public service,” Obama said in a town that sits in the shadow of Fort Bragg, home to the 82nd Airborne.
Appearing on “Fox News Sunday,” Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., reacted to the Powell endorsement, calling Powell “a longtime friend.”
“This doesn’t come as a surprise,” McCain said. “But I’m also very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state, Secretaries Kissinger, Baker, Eagleburger and Haig. And I’m proud to have the endorsement of well over 200 retired Army generals and admirals. But I respect and continue to respect and admire Secretary Powell.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6067626&page=1
I sure hope there isnt some idiot like G. Gordon Liddy, sitting in the wings, waiting for orders to “kill Obama” — I’m not saying MaCin would DO that…. but saying he wouldnt do it either!! :-(
Blue Jay,
I think you are about to have an orgasm over Powell’s endorsment. An endorsement-BFD means nothing to those that make up their own minds and don’t follow party lines.
Sort of nice to see the Blog cleaned up from the kind of hate posting that we have seen here the past week…. looks REAL good!!
Chas,
Yeah, clean up the hate posting…
like saying that G. Gordon Liddy is waiting for orders to kill Obama.
Yep, so much better…. as soon as you leave.
Seems the left is in near ecstasy over the endorsment. Wonder what would happen if something really important happened
Freebird1971,
Don’t you get it?
The only news is news that helps Obama and hurts McCain.
The sadly ironic thing is that Cosmos posts about how many papers are endorsing Obama for proof of his popularity when it is only proof of just how biased the media really is in this country.
I thought General Powell was eloquent and very respectful in his words.
Chas
Posted October 19, 2008 at 5:25 pm | Permalink
I sure hope there isnt some idiot like G. Gordon Liddy, sitting in the wings, waiting for orders to “kill Obama” — I’m not saying MaCin would DO that…. but saying he wouldnt do it either!! :-(
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Unfortunately I think their will be at least one attempt on Obama’s life if he is elected. There are so many nut jobs running around loose that one of them is liable to give it a try,and all because you don’t agree with him
Linda,
What you read is about 1,000 different liberals all quoting Nick Carney who said that is what Palin did.
What we have yet to see is any actual investigative reporting actually confirming it.
Nathaniel,
I feel the same way about endorsements period. They mean nothing to me in who I will vote for and it wont be for either McCain or Obama
Chas,
What is the differnece between a “fundamenatalist Christian” and a “Pentacostal Christian?”
I have no understanding of what you just posted, Nathaniel.
I listened to General Powell’s words.
I don’t know who Nick Carney is.
And I have no idea what you want to see investigated.
Ted, black and blue, I mean red and blue.
Nugent’s a nut, if you’ve ever been to one of his concerts it’s obvious.
Who has endorsed McCain?
Besides the NRA and Rush Limpballs, that is?
BTW, did you hear the howls of outrage coming from the Repukes about the machines switching Democratic votes to Republican votes?
You didn’t?!
Yeah, that’s ’cause there was none. They only howl about theoretical possibilities of poor people commiting voter fraud.
When the REPUKES ACTUALLY COMMIT ELECTION FRAUD . . . yeah, not so much . . .
Nathaniel
Posted October 19, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
mxyzptlk
Posted October 19, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink
So Nathaniel never bothered to back up his premise that people used Palin’s religion to scare people. Shocked am I!
HERE YOU GO:
Pedant
Posted October 19, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink
“The problem with people like Palin is that “praying and hoping that things are God’s will” IS scary, at least to people like me. I get very nervous when people start mentioning God and government in the same sentence. Usually there is suffering to follow and it’s never them who seem to do any of the heavy lifting there.”
“The problem is that, at least for Sarah Palin, she TOO seems to want to make this country into a place where everything I hold dear is wiped out in the name of God’s will.”
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You took my comments out of context. That’s not right. It’s also unethical.
My point was that at its highest levels the GOP tries to scare us Americans by smearing Obama as a secret Muslim terrorist who in the name of Allah wishes to wipe out all we hold dear as Americans.
If this is possible — if America can be undone by somehow installing in the Executive branch a manchurian candidate — then it’s also possible for that manchurian candidate to be Palin.
Note the “if.”
I’m told crow goes well with….actually, I don’t think it goes well with anything. You can choke it back anyway.
Phantom
Posted October 19, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
Ted, black and blue, I mean red and blue.
Nugent’s a nut, if you’ve ever been to one of his concerts it’s obvious.
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Maybe, but man can he play guitar.
Ah, Palin and the money spent to redecorate the mayor’s office? I had forgotten that post.
Well, the amount she spent to redecorate several times is in the public records of the City of Wasilla. It’s aa fact.
The rest of my post was humor. It was repeating a joke. Some people laughed. I laughed. I like to laugh!
Pendant,
I checked out DBT today, and really liked what I heard. In some of their guitar riffs you can certainly hear the influence of Skynyrd. They will be on my list of to see bands if I get the chance
Yeah, you’d love ‘em Freebird. Classic three axe attack Southern rock. Great show, too.
Perhaps it is because I was never that enthusiastic for Obama and still am not.
I’m looking at this more objectively than emotionally.
Colin Powell alienates a LOT of people in this. And there is the calculation that I mentioned.
Clearly, Powell thinks he knows the lay of the land in making this call.
Linda,
I would be really interested to see where in the city budget this 50,000 dollars to “redecorate” is.
Have you seen it? Have a link?
Because as far as I know the only source for this claim is the comments from one man which has not been confirmed.
I could be wrong though.
Pedent,
How did I take your comments out of context?
Powell sees the changes in the Republican Party and doesn’t like what he sees. I know several “Goldwater Republicans” who are waiting for the return of The Grand Old Party.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 19, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink
Who has endorsed McCain?
When the REPUKES ACTUALLY COMMIT ELECTION FRAUD . . . yeah, not so much . .
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Ben I don’t want to mention this alot but I keep waiting for your outrage at the name calling from the left. Is ‘dim’ more repulsive than ‘repuke’?
Please don’t tell me that you were less than honest when you got on to me. You are a grandfather and I hold them to a much higher standard and other posters.
Nathan, who claims to be the all-knowing expert of everything Christian, asks, “what’s the difference between Pentacostal and fundamentalist?”
I’ll go you one better, SmartGuy. What’s the difference between Pentacostal, fundamentalist, and evangelical?
Pentacostal–emphasising the emotional fervor of the apostles during Pentacost. Their worship focusses on the “Holy Spirit” and the passionate power of God-consciousness.
Some of the most loving, caring people I ever met have been Pentacostal.
Evangelical–emphasizing the mission of evangelism, that is prosletysing (spelling) or “saving souls.” Billy Graham is a good example of an evangelical.
Evangelical are good and decent people as long as they are not . . .
Fundamentalist–idiots who take every word of the Bible literally. These are the people who believe that the Earth must be only 6 to 10 thousand years old because “that’s what the Old Testament says.”
Nevermind that the Old Testament says nothing of the kind.
These are the types who burn witches and ban books. They only seem to want to impose their anti-intellectualism–posing as religiousity–down everyone else’s throats.
They commit the heresy of idolatry by making The Bible itself into an idol and worshipping the letter of the law instead of the spirit, “for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.”
Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and all the rest of the TV money grubbers calling themselves pastors fall into this horrible excuse for Christians.
When the REPUKES ACTUALLY COMMIT ELECTION FRAUD . . .
Explain the above post from WVA.
Also, explain this two-hour documentary that lists hundreds of voter problems and election fraud examples:
http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/
Nathaniel
Posted October 19, 2008 at 5:43 pm | Permalink
Pedent,
How did I take your comments out of context?
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You left out this paragraph:
“Here’s why. The Republics Powell mentioned above, those who wish to scare Americans by starting rumors that Obama is secretly a Muslim terrorist, they’re trying to make Americans imagine a USA where everything we hold dear is wiped out in the name of Allah.”
Leaving out that paragraph makes me appear to be fearmongering without context when it comes to Palin. My point is that if GOP bigwigs can smear Obama as secret Muslim terrorist — if that’s possible — then it’s also possible for Palin to be such a candidate.
If it’s possible for Palin to be such a candidate, then I’m not fearmongering at all.
Leaving out that paragraph strengthened your point. It also robbed my point of the context crucial to my point.
Please don’t do that again.
Nathan —
Pentecostals believe in “Direct/Personal” Revelation…
Fundamentalists believe the Canon of Scripture is closed(sealed).
That is one of the biggest differences…
Also, Fundamentalists do not believe in the manifestation of the “gifts of the Spirit”.
Pat Robertson and Pat Boone (among others) have been run out of Fundamentalist churches because of their belief and practice of glossalalia(speaking in tongues) — Fundamentalists dont believe in such practice.
Ergo, Palin is NOT a Fundamentalist, but rather a Pentecostal (Wasilla ASSEMBLY OF GOD)..
I hope that helps…
WASHINGTON — Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse…
Inside Freddie Mac headquarters in 2005, the few dozen people who knew what DCI was doing referred to the initiative as “the stealth lobbying campaign,” according to three people familiar with the drive.
They spoke only on condition of anonymity, saying they fear retaliation if their names were disclosed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/freddie-mac-paid-gop-cons_n_135995.html
Leopards dont freuently change their spots….
Chas I’m sure I missed it but will you please tell me the difference between a fundamentalist Christian and a pentacostal Christian? You seem to be the knowledgeable one on that subject. Self appointed it would seem.
CapN —-
The ORIGINAL “Evangelicals” were the Lutherans, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, and to a large extent, Methodists. The original Evangelicals have allowed these “modern day” Evangelicals to steal their name, and to some extent, their identity…
I think your definitions are technically correct, Chas.
But I would still put Robertson in the fundamentalist camp for all practical purposes. His blaming 9-11 on gays and abortion has much more to do with his fundamentalism than Pentacostalism, IMHO.
CapnAmerica,
So who is correct, you or Chas?
You both gave very different answers.
Chas, this is interesting. Can you recommend a book I can read for reference?
Okgrannie can’t stop herself from the gratutious smear: “Self appointed it would seem.”
Grannie, Chas is an ordanied minister who has a degree from a accredited seminary.
What do you have?
Other than a big mouth, that is . . .
Actually Chas your explanation is very simplistic and over all wrong IMOHO. A fundamentalist believes the bible as it is written. A Pentacostal believes in the part of the bible that says all Christians are given gifts. They believe in the part that says that speaking is tongues is a gift some are given. Just as some are given the gift of servanthood, or prophecy, or singing, or ministry, or many others too numerous to mention.
Oh what am I doing telling this to a Christian minister. Of course you knew all of this is the bible.
Pedant,
Leaving out that paragraph has no effect on the others nor did I mean for it to.
Are you claiming that you are only scared of Palin (or saying that you are) because the Republicans did the same thing to Obama?
We gave almost exactly the same answers, Nathan.
But thanks for showing you’re too dumb to get it.
BTW, on religious matters, I defer to my friend, Chas.
CAPN >>>>
The modern day “evangelicals” used to be known widely as proselytizers, and/or Revivalists…. As you said, CAPN, Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, Dwight Moody, the Fuller’s of California (BIOLA Univ) etc., were classic examples of these “Revivalists” —
In fiction, the famous revivalist was called ‘Elmer Gantry’ —-
Dinner time, so I’m out.
Still waiting for Grannie to explain the touch screen that blinks “McCain” when the voters hit “Obama.”
Yeah, nothing to see there . . .
It’s ironic isn’t it?
The VERY choice that brought the right home to McCain…
the choice of Sarah Palin as running mate…
…is the REASON McCain will lose.
I remember Rush Limbaugh. He had been no fan of McCain. But when McCain chose Palin, fatmouth started calling him John McBrilliant.
It should tell the right something. The very thing you are most passionate about and drawn to is no sale with America.
Pedant
Posted October 19, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
Chas, this is interesting. Can you recommend a book I can read for reference?
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Pedant —-
Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible… It can easily be found there….
Online??? GOOGLE “Christian Fundamentailst” )Granny YOU are quite wrong in your assessment) But, I keep forgetting, you know it ALL… just like NATHAN!!
Also, GOOGLE, “Pentecostal” or “Pentecostalism” OR, “Assembly of God”
AGAIN, Pentecostals believe in “personal/direct” revelation…. Fundamentalists believe the Bible is what is called “closed canon”, or “sealed” — cnnot be added to by “personal/direct” revelation….
This is a pretty BIG difference theologically…. MS PALIN is NOT a Fundamentalist….. but rather a Pentecostal…
Chuck Todd just said mcsame is essentially conceding the popular vote, and that his only path to winning is to squeak out a tie or plus one in the EC vote.
I guess that’s the reason they are starting the whining early. To discredit the vote and tie the thing up. Or maybe…
Let the in-the-pocket-of-bushco SCOTUS decide?
Again!
Nathaniel you have not provided anything PRIOR TO YOUR ORIGINAL PREMISE that Palin has been treated poorly because of her religion.
I think you want there to be some Christian persecution to prove your point when there isn’t any.
I disagree with many people who call themselves Christian but I don’t think that being a Christian is the reason that 60% of Americans think she is unfit for office.
Paranoia much?
CapnAmerica,
I think both you and Chas are merely stereotyping groups and you have no clue what you are talking about.
Example:
I am a Pentecostal. We can believe and most often do believe everything you said which made someone a “fundmentalist” “Evangelical” and “Pentecostal”
You see, those labels are simply what people use when they are convienent at the time.
If someone is talking about spreading the Gospel you liberals call them an Evangelical.
If someone is talking about the Bible being the word of God, well then, you call them Fundamentalists.
If someone is talking about the Spirt, gifts, and/or speaking in tongues, they are Pentecostal.
When in reality, generally speaking, people from all denominations believe all those things except for the speaking in tongues part.
“I remember Rush Limbaugh. He had been no fan of McCain. But when McCain chose Palin, fatmouth started calling him John McBrilliant.”
I’ve heard but not verified that Limbaugh was touting her for VP monthes before anyone heard of her.
CLEARLY, Sarah Palin is ambitious beyond her abilities and electability.
Now SHE will have to begin thinking of her political future. I’ll be watching that with great interest.
Kltpzyxm,
And Powell didn’t provide any support for his statement either.
Do you think Pedent just started to believe what he said after my post? Of course not.
Gotta go and make calls for Obama. Read you all tomorrow!
Okob observes >>>>
“A Pentacostal believes in the part of the bible that says all Christians are given gifts. They believe in the part that says that speaking is tongues is a gift some are given. Just as some are given the gift of servanthood, or prophecy, or singing, or ministry, or many others too numerous to mention.”
Good Lord, Granny…. MY denomination believes in the Gifts of the Spirit…. Its just that we dont take it to the far extremes of the Pentecostals… (in most cses)
Of course, we have a very small segment of our membership that are what we call Charismatics… Usually, we try to steer them towards Charismatic churches, since they tend to be disruptive in non-pentecostal environments… :-)
Once again, Pat Robertson was a very long time Southern Baptist, but because of his Pentecostal “conversion” the Baptists “asked” him to leave….
Pat Boone was originally Church of Christ. But because of his insistence of promulgating his Pentecostal views, the Church of Christ where he was a member terminated his membership…
You can find any of that information…. And, as I said…. I am not WRONG on this one, Okob…. YOU are wrong… It isnt that important, but I get tired of you arguing points you obviously know very little about here…. PLEASE stop with trying to put me down….
Chas,
Didn’t you call okobserver a bitch? Now you are asking that she not put you down?
Nathan…. All I can tell you is to go get your hands on a set of Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible — Look up all three terms, and READ…. THEN try coming back here and telling me I am wrong!!
Which Seminary did you say you graduated from??? Hmmmm??? You do realize that the Seminary is a THREE YEAR GRADUATE school?? And graduation from such earns a MASTER’S Degree in Divinity…. M.Div. is the abbrev.
You think you still want to argue the point???
Nathaniel
Posted October 19, 2008 at 6:04 pm | Permalink
Pedant,
Leaving out that paragraph has no effect on the others nor did I mean for it to.
Are you claiming that you are only scared of Palin (or saying that you are) because the Republicans did the same thing to Obama?
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Our conversation was a result of this comment by Gen. Powell earlier today:
‘Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, “He’s a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists.”
This is not the way we should be doing it in America.’
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First off, I agree with Powell.
Also, I agree that those who denigrate Palin for her religion should not do so, because that is not how we should be doing it in America. I am not afraid of Palin, although I deeply mistrust her because I can’t see any reason why she would not support an American theocracy if it were put to a vote.
If the highest levels of the GOP can disparage Obama on the basis of a lie, that Obama is a Muslim then it’s possible for the Democrats to draw the same conclusion about Palin, based on the fact that’s she’s a Christian. Because I make little distinction between Allah and God, I am saying that if there is indeed a Manchurian candidate here — as the GOP hints at wink wink nudge nudge — then why can’t that be Palin?
Not that Palin is a stealth candidate any more than is Obama. I guess this is just another way of arguing that once again the GOP shoots itself in the foot with its Obama smears.
Obviously there are elements of all three terms within the Assembly of God churches…
But NOT in Fundamentalist churches….
And Evangelical??? MY denomination began its existence centuries ago as one of the Evangelical denominations…
The Evangelical sense NOW is not what it was 50-60 years ago… As I commented above, IF you even read it… The forerunners of the modern day Evangelicals really didnt HAVE congregations… Billy Sunday, Billy Graham, the Fullers, and others… were REVIVALISTS…. And yes, Nathan, I know pentecostals also hold revivals… but they are VERY different in theology…
While you are at it, look up the FIVE FUNDAMENTALS of Fundamentalism…. Otherwise known as the Five Points of Calvinism… sometimes called TULIP Calvinists…
And before you get all wrapped up in it, NO, I am not going to go look it up FOR you… You’re a big boy, you can GOOGLE it for yourself….
Thanks!!!
We were promised that our soldiers would be cared for to prevent post traumatic syndrome.
“Heck of a job, Georgie”
Five deaths allegedly committed by brigade soldiers in last 14 months
Senator says incidents raise questions about mental health screening
Fort Carson to re-screen 1,200 soldiers from the brigade for health problems
121 Iraq, Afghanistan soldiers charged with or committed a killing
The Moose-Dresser is perfectly entitled to worship what she conceives as God in any way she chooses.
But I think the protecting-her-from-witches prayer at the Wasilla Ass. of God was pretty weird.
Nathaniel
Posted October 19, 2008 at 6:21 pm | Permalink
Chas,
Didn’t you call okobserver a bitch? Now you are asking that she not put you down?
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Yea, Nathan, I did, now that you mention it… and might do so again, if she ACTS like it again…. DONT START BOY…
BTW, Nathan, you might also want to read up on the Azuza Street Revival, that happened out in Los Angeles in the early years of the 20th Century… very interesting history there… The Pentecostal movement also had some of its roots in Topeka, KS… But the BIGGIE was Azuza Street in California….
The roots of the Assembly of God churches, and the overall “holiness” movement in general… ALSO, the Church of God, Holiness, that formed in the hills of Tennesee…. around that same time frame…
Chas,
For someone so concerned with being “put down” you seem to have no problem flaunting your title and using it to put others down.
Hmmm….
I have no doubt that you are a very knowledgeable person when it comes to the history of different faiths and scripture.
My fault with you is that your beliefs are not Christian nor do you have a very good demanor to be in the ministry as you claim you are.
My comments towards you have little to do with the knowledge you have.
Oh no! Look out! He might do it again!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
ROFL
On MSNBC, Pat Buchanan is criticizing Colin Powell for putting the needs of America ahead of the “debt” he owes to to the Republican party.
Sad.
“Nathaniel” sitteth on the right hand of god* and declares (again) –
“My fault with you is that your beliefs are not Christian…”
(* Nathan-gooser be the name of the lord.)
;^)
“Expelled” is #2″
(in more ways than one)
Even as “Expelled” promotes itself as “the #1 Documentary of 2008,” its box office take is being overtaken by Religulous (2008):
EXPELLED: NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED Domestic Total Gross: $7,690,545 Widest Release: 1,052 theaters In Release: 56 days / 8 weeks
RELIGULOUS Domestic Total as of Oct. 16, 2008: $7,622,104 Widest Release: 568 theaters In Release: 16 days / 2.3 weeks
Note that “Religulous” did that with half the theaters and in 1/3 the time.
Has Gov. Palin’s husband granted any press interviews?
Has Joe Bidens wife?
When was the last time we got to see Michelle?
Jill Biden talks to TIME:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1660946_1661078,00.html
Jill Biden talks to a web site interviewer:
http://www.essentialestrogen.com/2007/11/all_in_the_family_jill_biden.html
Video off interview with Jill Biden:
http://www.pubdef.net/2008/10/18/interview-with-jill-biden/
Jill Biden interview with Delaware newspaper:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080824/NEWS02/808240382
Now, has Gov. Palin’s husband granted any interviews?
“Nathaniel” –
Yesterday Jill Biden visited Cape Girradeau, Springfield, and Joplin Missouri.
It was in the news.
Todd Palin interview with Greta Van Susteren
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5MWk0V77ko
“EARLY SHOW” INTERVIEW WITH MICHELLE OBAMA, WIFE OF SENATOR BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE INTERVIEWER: MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ INTRODUCTION BY: JULIE CHEN
8:06 A.M. EDT, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 17, 2008
blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/michelle_obamas_cbs_exclusive_1.html
Aug 7, 2008 … ABC’s Robin Roberts treated Michelle Obama to a thoroughly positive (and at times gushing) interview on Thursday’s “Good Morning America,”
Oct 9, 2008
Michelle Obama speaks to Larry King on his show about the “that one” comment, Hillary Clinton and her husband’s campaign to become the next President of the …
Michelle Obama at Civic Center on Tuesday
Pensacola News Journal, FL – 5 hours ago
Michelle Obama, wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, will be speaking Tuesday at an “Early Vote for Change” rally at the Pensacola Civic …
Michelle Obama to visit Jacksonville Florida Times-Union
New details of Michelle Obama’s visit to Gainesville released
Gainesville Sun, FL – 19 hours ago
By Cindy Swirko Final plans for this week’s visit to Gainesville by Michelle Obama, wife of Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, were revealed …
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=%22Michelle+obama&btnG=Search+News
Todd Palin, one interview with the hard-hitting Fox news…
I will watch for questions about Alaska leaving the USA to become an independent country…
Well, looks like Todd just agreed to another interview! But not the kind he’d like. . .
Todd Palin plans interview in Troopergate probe
By MATT VOLZ | Sunday, Oct 19 2008 4:09 PM
http://www.bakersfield.com/894/story/584430.html
And Jill Bidens interviews were any more promenant?
A delaware paper? a website?
The biggest one you listed was TIME.
It wouldn’t matter how many interviews Todd has done.
Is there a magic number you are looking for?
Nathan —- If you got nothing else but your warped personal opinions, why dont you just SHUT UP about it…. or are you just feeling like playing GAWD again???
And you STILL claim that I am not a Christian!!! And what does that make YOU Bible Boy??? And you complain about MY attacks on YOU and others, when all you do is attack and insult ME, MY vocation, and MY FAITH????
I dont know about the rest of this blog, but I Know I am FED UP with you and your phony self-righteousness!!
I make no pretenses to righteousness… But thats because I believe I am a sinner saved by GRACE… not saved by YOUR dumb opinions…. Get it???
Just slipped in to say what in the world is Nathaniel talking about?
“Well you know what? Palin is a Christian. She does believe what the Bible says. She does pray and hope that things are God’s will.
And you liberals should be saying so what.”
Nathaniel, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, GHW Bush, Barbara Bush, W, Laura Bush, Jill & Joe Biden, Barack & Michelle Obama are ALL Christians.
The only one who (as I understand it) is NOT a Christian is John McCain who attends Church but has never stepped forward to recieve Christ.
No one to my knowledge has tried to induce fear in the people because Palin is Christian. Why would they? All these candiadates and their wives are Christian too.
You are creating silly arguments Nathaniel. What McCain has been doing with his ads and the neoCon press is paint Obama as a Muslim to induce fear. It would be silly to do that with Palin since all the other players (except for McCain) are Christian oo.
FOX interview questions for Todd alin:
“Is there some part of yourself that thinks going into this campaign is exciting?” OUCH!
“Why does everyone like Sarah? I am not talking about policy..” Ow – hard hitting journalism!
“You have met Senator McCain?” WOW! Such penetrating questionss!!
“Did you see when McCain said with affection that you are insane?”
“What do you think of Mrs. McCain? WHat do you think of the music she likes?” Did you meet McCain’s mother?”
“What’s it like hearing the crowd yell your wife’s name?”
“Were you nervous at the Republican convention?”
First Twinkie….
I did my research, you do yours……
Hey McCain?
Let lil Sarah go on with Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow. Ya got nothing to lose!
DISCLAIMER: McCain supporters should not look at this video, it is funny but not to you! ;-)
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John McCain Accidentally Left On Campaign Bus Overnight
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/john_mccain_accidentally_left_on?utm_source=onion_rss_daily
White House adviser says parts of U.S. in recession
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Parts of the United States, struggling with high jobless rates, seem to be in recession, but the government’s plan to support credit markets will help, President George W. Bush’s top economic adviser said on Sunday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE49I21E20081019?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
That was the “First Dude” interview, right?
I watched for about ten minutes.
Did she ever get to the tough questions? Like, “What’s your favorite color?”
Sarah can’t do interviews! She is like an actress and what she can memorize or read sounds fine, but if she needs to “wing it,” she is an airhead.
How about “what papers, magazines do you read?” That’s the one that stumped his wife.
Great McCain video Linda! MCCain’s so old, the only time he doesn’t have to pee is when he’s peeing.
Ah, well, it’s actually good that the ‘first dude’ is being marginalized. Perhaps the Palins will figure out that being the husband of the governor doesn’t give you an official position.
More generally, if family members choose to stay out of the spotlight, that’s not particularly improper. It’s a tad more disturbing when the VP nominee is kept away from the press.
Loved it! The Onion is my very favorite source of news.
The candidates are interviewing for the job voters will or won’t elect them to — all the candidates except Palin who doesn’t do interviews. She didn’t complete the application for the job! She wouldn’t make it past the receptionist in most businesses.
I stop by The Onion a few times a week and always find fun. ;-)
TWENTY-TWO.
That’s the number of posts (so far!) today from the one who claims to be a Christian Preacher.
Hmmmm……..
Linda,
You are being quite dishonest.
Palin has done several interviews. Even a couple which made her look badly in some regard.
You claim she is am airhead, yet she performed quite well in the debate.
You have your talking points and have drank the koolaid. Not even reality seems to be enough to deter you from those.
Let’s NOT have a topic about Obama giving away money to 40% of America, calling it a “tax cut”.
Such a topic would lead one to examine Obama’s record, in addition to his very latest promises, and one could only conclude then that:
Obama is a frickin Socialist.
Obama will give Federal Welfare payments to 40% of America who do not pay taxes, to Buy Their Vote!
Yeah, that’s P A T R I O T I C !!!
“That’s the number of posts (so far!) today from the one who claims to be a Christian Preacher.”
Come on Max, the rule is you can not call him names but he can call you anything he wants. Bitch and Boy seem to be his favorite tonight.
A MESSAGE TO THE 40% OF AMERICA THAT WILL GLADLY RECEIVE OBAMA’S “TAX CUTS”.
Will you feel proud to be on welfare?
Will you feel patriotic to be on welfare?
Will you go to your neighbor and thank them personally for paying taxes so that 40% of America can receive a Handout?
Can’t make it on your own, can you?
Bet you feel proud about that.
Oh Hud it’s Sunday.
I thought Chas would be WORKING today.
He must not work. He must be part of the 40% who don’t pay taxes.
Or he’s blogging from Church!!!!
LOL!!!
FROLMFAO!@!!
White House adviser says parts of U.S. in recession?? Must be the Anti-American parts of America.. ;-)
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How can a payroll tax cut go to people who are not on a payroll? It can’t.
You are parroting a false misrepresentation of the Obama tax plan.
You are mistaken. Where on Earth do you get this wrong information?
A Payroll tax cut is not an Income Tax Cut.
If you cut Payroll taxes are you also cutting Social Security and Medicare Benefits?
Nope.
YOU WILL GET A HANDOUT DAVID!!!
Celebrate your inability to support yourself!
Celebrate your theft from those who can support themselves.
Whatsamatter Libs?
Don’t want to call a Handout a Handout?
Call it “Free Bootin” then.
Or “Free Siht”.
Or “Invalid Payments”.
Be PROUD that you can’t support yourselves. And I’m sure you will come up with some pretty name for your welfare payment, so that you don’t think you are getting a welfare payment.
Call it whatever you frickin want.
But you are STILL getting welfare!!!!
Deadbeats.
Obama will give me free siht!
Wow! I think I’ll stop working right after Obama is elected!!!!
Yeee hawwww, Socialism!!!!
SOMEBODY ELSE can work.
I’ve got the PERFECT NAME for your Welfare Payments!
F A I R Y
D U S T !!!!
Y’all will get F A I R Y – D U S T from Obama!
Max, you’re melting down. Are you thinking about suicide when Obama wins on November 4th?
Gosh, thanks! Does that mean I don’t have to get up at 5:30 A.M. tomorrow to go to work? Those 60 hour weeks were getting to me. Thanks again.
Oh no bad Dog.
If Obama wins, then I retire next month!
I quit working and become a Socialist!!!
That’s EXACTLY what every working American should do!
It’s patriotic.
Hey CONs –
Be sure to reserve some time on November 5th to go to the government and get fitted for your Chairman Mao uniforms.
What a bunch of delusional paranoids your are.
After Socialsim kicks in, I wonder who will work?
Doctors? Nope.
Retail wokers? Nope.
Nurses? Nope.
Mechanics? Nope.
Electricians? Nope.
Plumbers? Nope.
If you need to go out and buy something or get service anywhere, you will be SOL.
Will not be anyone working anymore, but you will still get your G’vmnt check. (Nowhere to spend it though.)
“On the issue of whose tax plan would provide more relief to middle-income taxpayers, Barack Obama once again brought out this line:
“And 95 percent of working families, 95 percent of you out there, will get a tax cut. ” Sen Obama
“The “95 percent” figure is correct. Even though many conservatives have argued that you can’t cut taxes for people who pay no income taxes, most of those who are receiving refundable tax credits on the income tax side are still net taxpayers given that they do pay payroll taxes, corporate income tax, excise taxes, etc.” – from The Tax Foundation
See?. yer information is F.O.S.
Yay! “Max” is unhappy!
Ah.. he is suggesting a General Strike if Senator Obama wins.. That is a typical communist tactic! He wants America to fail if Obama wins, so he wants a general strike so Putin can walk through Alaska and come down and eat our Twinkies and steal Todd’s snowmobile!
What kind of name is “Grobnik”? Sounds commie to me.
Which Obama tax promise are you gonna believe, the latests one?
6 months ago?
A year ago?
2 years ago?
How many tax cuts has Obama ever voted for?
Course HIS RECORD doesn’t matter. What Obama SAYS he will do is the promise you dumbsihts believe.
You are melting down Max.
The correct translation, from what I am told from my Welsh friends, is “Bad Wolf”.
Ummm David, how many strikes occurred under Communism?
Now David, YOU are playing the McCarthy role.
What a dumbsiht you are!
And if all Working Americans stop working,
just what the heck are all y’all Socialists gonna do about it?
Hmmmm…..
DavidB – why that sounds Socialist to me.
Say BJ, can’t wait to hear 2 years from now, how you have to wait 6 months to see a PA for a doctor appointment.
1/3 of our Doctors will retire in the next 5 years, if Obamacare forces them to work for peanuts.
You will get your free siht, but you will have to wait in line for your free sith.
It is Senator McCain that seems to have a new tax plan every other week as he and his handlers keep throwing everything except the kitchen sink to see what sticks…
Senator Obama has been rather consistent in has program and approach. That’s one of the reason the people are trusting his cool hand and unflappability.
“MaxGrobnik” blathers –
”
Posted October 19, 2008 at 8:45 pm | Permalink
And if all Working Americans stop working,
just what the heck are all y’all Socialists gonna do about it?
Hmmmm…..”
I, for one, will be distributing your Chairman Mao suit to you, “MaxGrobnik.”
I already explained that to you.
Do you need re-education camp?
Hmmmmm?
He “can’t wait to hear 2 years from now, how you have to wait 6 months to see a PA for a doctor appointment.”
He is gleeful at the prospect of a failed America!
I think he should be investigated for being un-American.
“MaxGrobnik” –
I forgot.
In addition to requiring you to dress in a Chairman Mao suit, you will be required to wear a Kim Jung Il haircut.
The good news, though. Your hair plug surgery will be covered by socialized medicine!
Maybe we make Alaska a new Gulag for these Anti-American guys.. it is close enough to Siberia…
And then we make it leave the USA and put Todd and Sarah in power as King and Queen, then we can perform renditions of political prisoners to the sovereign Nation Of Alaskemia. and then we cannot be held responsible for any harsh interrogation techniques our agent carry out there.
heehee!
Heed John McCain’s advice;
Senator Obama is “decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States.”
You don’t have to be afraid…
But as for MoneyHawk, be afraid of him… be very afraid.. Those Chairman Mao outfits make you look 20 pounds heavier!
“You don’t have to be afraid…”
I feel better now.
Oh, wait a minute. Are you not one of those who say McCain cannot tell the truth.
Now I am afraid.
No, “DavidB.” You’re wrong –
I plan to be a major Commissar over WE Blog participants beginning November 5th.
“MaxGrobnik” has every reason to fear my iron fist and irrational rule!
I’m thinking about reducing his rations to bread and untreated creek water, and seriously considering to mandate rye bread (and not a good seedy marble loaf, but that commercial Wonder Bread stuff that’s flavored artificially).
Heh-heh.
“Hud” –
You’re right to be afraid. In addition to forcing you to wear a Chairman Mao suit I’m going to mandate all my minions learn a ballroom dance! An anti-American dance like the tango!
Beware my evil when Obama wins the election!
“everyone seems to like some state-directed form of wealth redistribution, including Mr. McCain, who wants to use taxpayer money to buy distressed mortgages and sell them back to homeowners at more affordable rates.”
“I’m going to spend a lot of money to bring relief to you,” Mr. McCain pledged to cheers at a rally here Sunday, just a few minutes after criticizing Mr. Obama for wanting to “spread the wealth around.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/us/politics/20mccain.html
Looks like we’re all socialists now! whahahah
Damned straight, “DavidB” –
As Grand Commissar (I just added the “Grand” part. Like it? You’d better like it.) of the People’s Democratic Republic of WE Blog, I’m gonna start socializing M&M’s!
Now, due to budget restraints, the program may have to be limited at the start. I figure, one “M” per day per person. But to keep the incentive, I’ll permit you to save up “M’s” for a party or family gathering.
And just to prove I’m the worthy leader I’ll be, I promise there will be no public executions of Christians on Sundays before noon.
On the note, oh Evil Grand Commissar, just got the first proposal from Halliburton on the new crucifixes. I think they are way over-priced… but New York to Washington D.C. is a long way to cover with a cross every mile. But as long as the enslaved white race does all of the labor, we should make it under budget…
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14508.html
By the way, above is a great story on the confusion that us reigning supreme at the highest levels of the McCain campaign.
It shows why he has gone all Bill Ayers on us. He has nothing else to offer… 30 new economic plans plans we floated and ““internal confusion” about the matter” lead to no decision at all.
No one is in charge.
“DavidB” reports in –
“On the note, oh Evil Grand Commissar, just got the first proposal from Halliburton on the new crucifixes. I think they are way over-priced… but New York to Washington D.C. is a long way to cover with a cross every mile. But as long as the enslaved white race does all of the labor, we should make it under budget…”
Yeah, well…
As I recall, Halliburton provides those old fashioned “Skinny Jesus” crucifixes. Perhaps another vendor could bid a “Chubby Jesus” on the cross and it’d have the additional benefit of placating the Buddhists.
Get back to me on this tomorrow after
breakfastgruel.Well, this is really fascinating. For a long time, we’ve seen folks like Max sings the praises of tax cut, and how people should work for the money they earn.
One has to work to receive any of Obama’s tax cuts. That’s just common sense: you can’t cut taxes that were never paid to begin with. And there are no payroll taxes if you’re not getting paid. But wait!: the wrong people are getting the money now!
Hey, it’s their money! They earned it. Why shouldn’t they be able to keep it? Funny how unappealing that argument is to some when someone else is getting the bucks! :)
Honestly, I’ve seen a number of really eye-opening statements on this blog over the past week, but Max’s rant really takes the cake!
P.S. McCain’s and Obama’s tax plans, compared:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/candidates08/compare/
Specifically, regarding payroll taxes:
Social Security tax would be 12.4% for income from zero to $102,000; 0% for income from $102,000 to $250,000; and 4% from $250,000 and up, effective 2018. (Source).
12.4% is the current rate.
Rage
Posted October 19, 2008 at 9:56 pm | Permalink
Well, this is really fascinating. For a long time, we’ve seen folks like Max sings the praises of tax cut, and how people should work for the money they earn.
One has to work to receive any of Obama’s tax cuts. That’s just common sense: you can’t cut taxes that were never paid to begin with. And there are no payroll taxes if you’re not getting paid. But wait!: the wrong people are getting the money now!
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Obama’s “Tax Cut” will result in welfare payments directly to low income people who pay no income taxes. Obama disguises the ruse calling them credits.
WSJ: Obama’s Tax Cut for 95% of Americans Is an Illusion
Or
how Osama Obama is proposing another Welfare system controlled by the IRS.
Editorial in today’s Wall Street Journal: Obama’s 95% Illusion; It Depends on What the Meaning of “Tax Cut” Is:
One of Barack Obama’s most potent campaign claims is that he’ll cut taxes for no less than 95% of “working families.” He’s even promising to cut taxes enough that the government’s tax share of GDP will be no more than 18.2% — which is lower than it is today.
It’s a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he’s also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of “tax cut.” …
Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand no fewer than seven [tax] credits for individuals:
1. A $500 tax credit ($1,000 a couple) to “make work pay” that phases out at income of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple.
2. A $4,000 tax credit for college tuition.
3. A 10% mortgage interest tax credit (on top of the existing mortgage interest deduction and other housing subsidies).
4. A “savings” tax credit of 50% up to $1,000.
5. An expansion of the earned-income tax credit that would allow single workers to receive as much as $555 a year, up from $175 now, and give these workers up to $1,110 if they are paying child support.
6. A child care credit of 50% up to $6,000 of expenses a year.
7. A “clean car” tax credit of up to $7,000 on the purchase of certain vehicles.
Here’s the political catch. All but the clean car credit would be “refundable,” which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer — a federal check — from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. …
i.e.,income transfer means a welfare check
Because Mr. Obama’s tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, they impose a huge “marginal” tax rate increase on low-income workers. The marginal tax rate refers to the rate on the next dollar of income earned. As the nearby chart illustrates, the marginal rate for millions of low- and middle-income workers would spike as they earn more income. …
One mystery — among many — of the McCain campaign is why it has allowed Mr. Obama’s 95% illusion to go unanswered.
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/10/wsj-obamas-tax.html
“One has to work to receive any of Obama’s tax cuts. That’s just common sense: you can’t cut taxes that were never paid to begin with. And there are no payroll taxes if you’re not getting paid.”
First, one does not have to work. Many seniors do not work and many will receive a tax cut.
I am not sure retired seniors pay payroll taxes; what is a payroll tax? I do not pay for basic Medicare but I do pay for Medicare Part “B”. Part “B” is not required so some would not pay this.
True, seniors are not part of the 95% but Obama’s tax plan does include a tax cut for them.
“Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year.”
Hate You Can Believe In
http://tinyurl.com/6eez7q
We will live in a time of great and revolutionary change.
I find it hopeful to see so many of the worst amongst us SO fearful and reactive. Well they should be.
“We will live in a time of great and revolutionary change.”
—–BlueJay
BJ, there is nothing going to help you though.
A slug is always nothing more than a slug, and no amount of income redistribution, stealing, is going to make you any better off than you are right now.
That’s your punishment for being a slug.
The biggest recipients of cash from Freddie and Fannie are all Democrats. The three biggest in order are: 1. C. Dodd–$165,40; 2. B. Obama–$126,350; 3. J. Kerry–$111.000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-_HlpZ8azA
Now look at what McCain tried to do but was stopped.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/
With the financial sector in turmoil today, the media and the politicians have started throwing around blame with the same recklessness as lenders threw around credit to create the problem. Politically, the pertinent question is this: Which candidate foresaw the credit crisis and tried to do something about it? As it turns out, John McCain did — and partnered with three other Senate Republicans to reform the government’s involvement in lending three years ago, after an attempt by the Bush administration died in Congress two years earlier. McCain spoke forcefully on May 25, 2006, on behalf of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 (via Beltway Snark):
“Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.”
In this speech, McCain managed to predict the entire collapse that has forced the government to eat Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with Bear Stearns and AIG. He hammers the falsification of financial records to benefit executives, including Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of whom have worked as advisers to Barack Obama this year. McCain also noted the power of their lobbying efforts to forestall oversight over their business practices. He finishes with the warning that proved all too prescient over the past few days and weeks.
You DimLibs look like foolish asses lying against the facts.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/
In this speech, McCain managed to predict the entire collapse that has forced the government to eat Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with Bear Stearns and AIG. He hammers the falsification of financial records to benefit executives, including Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of whom have worked as advisers to Barack Obama this year. McCain also noted the power of their lobbying efforts to forestall oversight over their business practices. He finishes with the warning that proved all too prescient over the past few days and weeks.
It never made it out of committee. Chris Dodd, then the ranking member of the Banking Committee and now its chair, was in the middle of receiving preferential loan treatment from Countrywide Mortgage, one of the companies gaming the system in the credit crisis. Meanwhile, Barack Obama took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the lobbyists McCain mentions in this speech, making him the #2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie money:
Open Secrets has the list of Congressmen who have benefited from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac largesse since 1989 (inclusive). Remarkably, after only serving less than four of those 20 years, Barack Obama has vaulted to the #2 position on Capitol Hill. Only Dodd outstripped him. He took more than six times the amount that McCain received in a 20-year period.
The record shows that McCain saw the problem coming and tried to get Congress to act. In 2005, both McCain and Obama served together in the Senate. Did Obama attempt to pass this reform, sign on as a co-sponsor, or even speak out in its favor? The record is tellingly blank.
As we have seen, McCain has been talking reform for three years, with no assist from Barack Obama. And McCain at least knows the correct name of the company that got its bailout last night from the federal government. Is Team Obama so incompetent that they couldn’t check the name before issuing the statement?
Why didn’t someone try to stop it?
http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/09/29/who-caused-the-biggest-financial-crisis-since-the-great-depression/
Someone did: “The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago,” The New York Times, September 11, 2003.
But someone intervened to stymie the Bush administration. Who? The New York Times reports:
Supporters of the companies said efforts to regulate the lenders tightly under those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. . . . “These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Why didn’t someone else ring the alarm?
Someone else did. In 2005, John McCain co-sponsored the “Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act,” which among other things provided for more oversight of Freddie & Fannie. The bill didn’t pass. Guess who blocked it?
The bill was reintroduced in 2007. But again, no luck. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had friends in the Senate:
* Chris Dodd, a recipient of “sweetheart” loans from a Freddie and Fannie backed company.
* The junior senator from Illinois, i.e., Barack Obama, who turned to Jim Johnson, former head (1991-1998) of Fannie Mae, to help advise him on whom to pick for the vice-presidential slot on his ticket. From 1985 to 1990, incidentally, Johnson was managing director of Lehman Brothers. Remember them?
* You might also want to check out one of Barack Obama’s other advisors: Franklin Raines, former CEO of Freddie Mac: see here , for example, or here , or here.
Hey, Dims….watch it, or are you afraid of the truth and how much your party had to do with all of this, including ‘The ONE’, Obama!!!! If I were you I’d have a hard time too, but the music is great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiXwZI_YqHY
For more than 6 hours you have ranted here and there and everywhere “Boxlock”.
It really must suck to be you. So fearful and defensive of days that bring hope.
Me? I’m at a beginning. The country will be too.
Mine is the party and plans for optimism “Boxlock”.
You? Well all you are about IS you. This is likely because you, like most cons, enjoy the benefits of the pain you inflict on others.
You and yours have had your time. That’s soon to be over.
And you KNOW it.
Boxlock >>>>
ONE MORE TIME —-
WHICH PARTY was in charge of that Comittee back in 2005?? REPUBLICANS….
HOW MANY Republicans on the Committee??? 11
HOW MANY DEMOCRATS??? 9
WHICH PARTY didnt let it out of Committee???
Hey, REPUBLICANS!!!!
This is about the third or maybe 4th time I have posted this simple little fact…
WHAT IS THERE ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS DIDNT AGREE WITH MCCAIN ARE YOU FAILING TO SEE???
THE REPUBLICANS WERE IN CONTROL IN 2005!!!
So, crawl back in your hole and try again!!!
LOSER!!!
Ooops… the CONS all got called back to their “padded rooms”…. it’s after 11:30!! LOL
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!!
blessings on our great nation!!
so mote it be!!
America USED to make things.
Then, as now, we had hangers on like Boxlock who SOLD things.
Boxlock and his sort have won out for a long time now.
American makes little anymore more than deals.
This is about to change. We may see “Boxlock’s” fear in this from his posts.
“Boxlock” may have to turn a tap or wield something more than a pen. THIS has him on the defensive.
I am almost sorry for you Boxy.
Almost but not quite.
YOU’VE lived your life quite well on the backs of others. Now YOU will be expected to step up and do something more than that.
My thinking is, it aint in you.
“Boxlock” –
After you get your Chairman Mao suit on November 5th, report to me for your hot lead enema.
We’ll get you to confess to something with our Bush/Cheny-endorsed “enhanced interrogation techniques.”
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Posted October 19, 2008 at 11:33 pm | Permalink
Boxlock >>>>
ONE MORE TIME —-
WHICH PARTY was in charge of that Comittee back in 2005?? REPUBLICANS….
HOW MANY Republicans on the Committee??? 11
HOW MANY DEMOCRATS??? 9
WHICH PARTY didnt let it out of Committee???
Hey, REPUBLICANS!!!!
This is about the third or maybe 4th time I have posted this simple little fact…
WHAT IS THERE ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS DIDNT AGREE WITH MCCAIN ARE YOU FAILING TO SEE???
THE REPUBLICANS WERE IN CONTROL IN 2005!!!
So, crawl back in your hole and try again!!!
LOSER!!!
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You would be absolutely wrong Chas, as usual.
The two biggest recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac lobby funds, Dodd and Obama blocked the bill.
S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005
The reason the bill did not make law is because Democrats put a block on the bill. Any Senator or Senators in this case, can simply hold up a bill by blocking it. Dodd and Obama lobbied to stop the bill and put a block on it.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190
100,000+ show up for Obama in St. Louis.
But McCain gets low turnouts, and they’re bored by him.
‘ ‘Joe the Plumber’ hearts Huckabee more than McCain‘
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/mccain-and-joe.html
“On the same day that Barack Obama shattered fundraising records and won the endorsement of Colin Powell, John McCain held a pair of lackluster rallies in Ohio, a battleground state that the Arizona Republican insists he must win if he is to capture the White House on Nov. 4.
This morning’s crowd at Otterbein College, near the capital of Columbus, covered an indoor basketball court, but the adjoining court was left empty. McCain’s afternoon event, at a half-filled convention center in Toledo, seemed even more desultory. The crowd barely responded at times to his applause lines.
McCain gave them little cause for excitement. He delivered the same stump speech both times, almost word for word, with little emotion. He rushed through both so quickly that he left both events ahead of schedule.
Perhaps he was upset about who didn’t attend: Joe the Plumber.”
Two examples of “Kansas values”(sic) Regular’s “civil discussions” on the WE Blog.
“Just that you’re a mindless idiot that follows the leftist judas goats that will eventually lead you to slaughter.”
“I’m thinking ol’ Rod [Dreher] needs a hormone check. There’s definitely some shrinkage in the testes.“
The Democrats were at fault
Democrats Attack McCain Even Though They Blocked Reform Efforts He Sought To Help Fix
The Financial Markets
Obama’s Congressional Allies Have Been Attacking Sen. John McCain For Engaging In Negotiations On Legislation To Stabilize Financial Markets:
“In Interviews After The Meeting, Obama Pointed A Finger At His Rival For The Faltering Talks …”(Michael D. Shear and Jonathan Weisman, “Debate Still In Limbo As Democrats Blame McCain For Interrupting Process,” The Washington Post, 9/26/08)
Obama Suggested The Negotiations Were Damaged By Presidential Politics . “Obama suggested the talks were damaged by politics. ‘When you start injecting presidential politics into delicate negotiations you can actually create more problems rather than less,’ Obama said on CNN.” (Alison Vekshin and James Rowley, “House Republicans Undercut Bush On Rescue, Slow Talks,” Bloomberg News, 9/26/08)
“[House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney] Frank Also Blamed McCain For Making A Dramatic Announcement To Suspend His Campaign And Return To Washington For The Talks, Saying That Threw Off The Balance Of The Negotiations .” (Alison Vekshin and James Rowley, “House Republicans Undercut Bush On Rescue, Slow Talks,” Bloomberg News, 9/26/08)
But McCain Has Led Efforts To Reform Financial Markets:
The Washington Post: “[W]hen It Comes To Regulating Financial Institutions And Corporate Misconduct, Mr. McCain’s Record Is More In Keeping With His Current Rhetoric .” (Editorial, “‘Always For Less Regulation?’” The Washington Post, 9/19/08)
John McCain Urged Action More Than Two Years Ago, Co-Sponsoring Legislation To Reform Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Warning: “If Congress Does Not Act, American Taxpayers Will Continue To Be Exposed To The Enormous Risk That Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Pose To The Housing Market, The Overall Financial System, And The Economy As A Whole .” McCain: “I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the
enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.” (Office Of U.S. Senator John McCain, “McCain Statement On Co-Sponsorship Of The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act Of 2005,” Press Release, 5/26/06)
In 2002, McCain Called For Greater Oversight Of Financial Markets Following Accounting Scandals . “In the aftermath of the Enron collapse and other accounting scandals, he was a leader, with Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), in pushing to require that companies treat stock options granted to employees as expenses on their balance sheets. ‘I have long opposed unnecessary regulation of business activity, mindful that the heavy hand of government can discourage innovation,’ he wrote in a July 2002 op-ed in the New York Times. ‘But in the current climate only a restoration of the system of checks and balances that once protected the American investor — and that has seriously deteriorated over the past 10 years — can restore the confidence that makes financial markets work.’” (Editorial, “‘Always For Less Regulation?’” The Washington Post, 9/19/08)
McCain Led The Charge To Remove Former SEC Chairman Harvey Pitt . “Mr. McCain was an early voice calling for the resignation of Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Harvey Pitt, charging that he ’seems to prefer industry self-policing to necessary lawmaking. Government’s demands for corporate accountability are only credible if government executives are held accountable as well.’” (Editorial, “‘Always For Less Regulation?’” The Washington Post, 9/19/08)
And Obama Ally Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) Blocked Multiple Attempts At Reforming Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Spanning Back To 1992:
“[Frank's] Record Is Close To Perfect As A Stalwart Opponent Of Reforming The Two Companies, Going Back More Than A Decade. The First Concerted Push To Rein In Fan And Fred In Congress Came As Far Back As 1992, And Mr. Frank Was Right There, Standing Athwart. But Things Really Picked Up This Decade, And Barney Was There At Every Turn. ” (Editorial, “Fannie Mae’s Patron Saint,” The Wall Street Journal, 9/10/08)
“In 2000, Then-Rep. Richard Baker Proposed A Bill To Reform Fannie And Freddie’s Oversight. Mr. Frank Dismissed The Idea, Saying Concerns About The Two Were ‘Overblown’ And That There Was ‘No Federal Liability There Whatsoever. ‘” (Editorial, “Fannie Mae’s Patron Saint,” The Wall Street Journal, 9/10/08)
“Two Years Later, Mr. Frank Was At It Again. ‘I Do Not Regard Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac As Problems,’ He Said In Response To Another Reform Push. And Then: ‘I Regard Them As Great Assets. ‘” (Editorial, “Fannie Mae’s Patron Saint,” The Wall Street Journal, 9/10/08)
“Again In June 2003, The Favorite Of The Beltway Press Corps Assured The Public That
‘There Is No Federal Guarantee’ Of Fan And Fred Obligations. ” (Editorial, “Fannie Mae’s Patron Saint,” The Wall Street Journal, 9/10/08)
“A Month Later, Freddie Mac’s Multibillion-Dollar Accounting Scandal Broke Into The Open. But Mr. Frank Was Sanguine. ‘I Do Not Think We Are Facing Any Kind Of A Crisis,’ He Said At The Time.” (Editorial, “Fannie Mae’s Patron Saint,” The Wall Street Journal, 9/10/08)
“Three Months Later He Repeated The Claim That Fannie And Freddie Posed No ‘Threat To The Treasury.’ Even Suggesting That Heresy, He Added, Could Become ‘A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy. ‘” (Editorial, “Fannie Mae’s Patron Saint,” The Wall Street Journal, 9/10/08)
“In April 2004, Fannie Announced A Multibillion-Dollar Financial ‘Misstatement’ Of
Its Own. Mr. Frank Was Back For The Defense. Fannie And Freddie Posed No Risk To Taxpayers, He Said, Adding That ‘I Think Wall Street Will Get Over It’ If The Two Collapsed. ” (Editorial, “Fannie Mae’s Patron Saint,” The Wall Street Journal, 9/10/08)
Obama Ally Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) Led Efforts To Block Reform Of Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac, After Receiving A Sweetheart Deal On Loans For His Own Houses :
Obama Joined Sen. Dodd – Both Top Recipients Of Fannie And Freddie Contributions – In Opposing Reform Measures And Weakening Existing Regulations. “During this period, Sen. Richard Shelby led a small group of legislators favoring reform, including fellow Republican Sens. John Sununu, Chuck Hagel and Elizabeth Dole. Meanwhile, Dodd — who along with Democratic Sens. John Kerry, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were the top four recipients of Fannie and Freddie campaign contributions from 1988 to 2008 — actively opposed such measures and further weakened existing regulation.” (Al Hubbard and Noam Neusner, Op-Ed, “Where Was Sen. Dodd?” The Washington Post, 9/12/08)
Sen. Dodd Called The President’s Suggestions For Regulations “Inane” And Recommended The President “Immediately Reconsider His ill-Advised” Proposals. “As recently as last summer, when housing prices had clearly peaked and the mortgage market had started to seize up, Dodd called on Bush to ‘immediately reconsider his ill-advised’ reform proposals. Frank, now chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said that the president’s suggestion for a strong, independent regulator of Fannie and Freddie was ‘inane.’” (Al Hubbard and Noam Neusner, Op-Ed, “Where Was Sen. Dodd?” The Washington Post, 9/12/08)
Dodd Called On The Regulator For Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac To Lift Portfolio Caps. “Both Schumer and Christopher J. Dodd, D-Conn., the chairman of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, have called on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s regulator to lift the portfolio caps. They argue that allowing the two firms to buy more mortgages, at least temporarily, would inject much needed liquidity into the market and calm the financial markets.” (Michael R. Crittenden, “Schumer Will Seek To Lift Cap
On Mortgage Portfolios Of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac,” Congressional Quarterly Today, 8/16/07)
NOTE: Since 1989, Dodd Has Received At Least $165,400 From Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac: $48,500 From PACs And $116,900 From Individuals, Receiving More Than Any Other Politician. (Lindsay Renick Mayer, “Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Invest In Lawmakers,” Center For Responsive Politics’ “Capital Eye” Blog, http://www.opensecrets.org, 9/11/08)
In 2003, Dodd, Chairman Of The Senate Banking Committee, Received Preferential Loans From Countrywide Financial On His Two Homes Which Saved Him $75,000. “Senators Christopher Dodd, Democrat from Connecticut and chairman of the Banking Committee, and Kent Conrad, Democrat from North Dakota, chairman of the Budget Committee and a member of the Finance Committee, refinanced properties through Countrywide’s ‘V.I.P.’ program in 2003 and 2004, according to company documents and emails and a former employee familiar with the loans. … Senator Dodd received two loans in 2003 through Countrywide’s V.I.P. program. He borrowed $506,000 to refinance his Washington townhouse, and $275,042 to refinance a home in East Haddam, Connecticut. Countrywide waived three-eighths of a point, or about $2,000, on the first loan, and one-fourth of a point, about $700, on the second, according to internal documents. Both loans were for 30 years, with the first five years at a fixed rate. The interest rate on the loans,
originally pegged at 4.875%, was reduced to 4.25% on the Washington home and 4.5% on the Connecticut property by the time the loans were funded. The lower rates save the senator about $58,000 on his Washington residence over the life of the loan, and $17,000 on the Connecticut home.” (Daniel Golden, “Countrywide’s Many ‘Friends,’” Portfolio, 6/12/08)
Obama Ally Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) Has Been A “Leading Voice For [Financial] Deregulation,” Led Efforts To Block Reform Of Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac, And Was Instrumental In The Collapse Of Bank IndyMac:
Until The Current Financial Crisis, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) “Had Been A Leading Voice For Deregulation,” Supporting Repeal Of Great-Depression Era Regulations, Re-Examining Corporate Oversight Laws, And Opposing Reducing Taxpayer Risks Associated With Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac. “Until the current credit crisis, Mr. Schumer had been a leading voice for deregulation: He ha s championed the repeal of a Great Depression-era law that prohibited commercial banks from underwriting securities; he has written an opinion piece calling for the Sarbanes-Oxley Act to be ‘re-examined,’ and he has opposed a bill that sought to reduce taxpayer risk in the event of a housing market slowdown by
requiring Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to sell their entire investment portfolios of about
$1.5 trillion worth of mortgage assets.” (Joseph Goldstein, “Pro-Deregulation Schumer Scores Bush For Lack of Regulation,” The New York Sun, 9/22/08)
Schumer Called On The Regulator For Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac To Lift Portfolio Caps. “Both Schumer and Christopher J. Dodd, D-Conn., the chairman of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, have called on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s regulator to lift the portfolio caps. They argue that allowing the two firms to buy more mortgages, at least temporarily, would inject much needed liquidity into the market and calm the financial markets.” (Michael R. Crittenden, “Schumer Will Seek To
Lift Cap On Mortgage Portfolios Of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac,” Congressional Quarterly Today, 8/16/07)
Rep. Frank And Sens. Schumer And Dodd Protected Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac. “The
powerhouse Democratic overseers of the banking committees — Rep. Barney Frank, Sen. Christopher Dodd and Sen. Chuck Schumer — protected Fannie and Freddie.” (Robert Novak, Op-Ed, “Crony Image Dogs Paulson’s Rescue Effort,” Chicago Sun-Times, 7/17/08)
After The Subprime Housing Crisis Began, Schumer Advocated Raising The Cap On What Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Could Lend. “Even last September, as the subprime housing crisis began to metastasize and the market was expressing concerns about the pair, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), the powerful chair of the Senate banking subcommittee on housing, had the very bad (and ultimately rejected) idea of raising the
cap on what Fannie and Freddie could lend by 10 percent. Since then the companies have reported losses of $11 billion, and there’s uncertainty about just how much more damage there will be from future defaults.” (Editorial, “We Can’t Say No, But We Can Regulate Them,” [New York] Newsday, 7/20/08)
Despite Reports Of Fraudulent Accounting, Schumer Opposed Creating A Strong Regulator
For Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac In 2004. “Even after Freddie Mac was shown to have manipulated earnings, Congress remained deadlocked over legislation to create a stronger regulator. Opposing one such bill in 2004, Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) argued that a hostile regulator could use the proposed powers to choke the companies.” (David S. Hilzenrath, “Fannie, Freddie Deflected Risk Warnings,” The Washington Post, 7/14/08)
Schumer Released Letters He Sent To Federal Regulators Questioning The Financial Health Of IndyMac Which Led To A $1.3 Billion Run On The Bank. “Former IndyMac Bank workers who blame Sen. Charles E. Schumer for the collapse of the large Pasadena thrift have found an ally in their quest to hold the New York Democrat to account: a public relations firm with a Republican-heavy client list. Schumer, chairman of Congress’ Joint
Economic Committee and a strident critic of the Bush administration, on June 26 released letters he had sent to federal bank regulators, saying IndyMac’s shaky state ‘poses significant risks to both taxpayers and borrowers.’ He questioned whether the regulators were ‘prepared to take measures that would help prevent the collapse of IndyMac or minimize the damage should such a failure occur.’ A run on the bank ensued, with
depositors taking out a net $1.3 billion in the following two weeks.” (E. Scott Reckard, “Former IndyMac Employees Seek Probe Of Sen. Charles Schumer,” Los Angeles Times, 8/16/08)
http://www.gop.com/News/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=c393368d-4538-42f1-b1b4-b9bf67752408
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 20, 2008 at 12:19 am | Permalink
Two examples of “Kansas values”(sic) Regular’s “civil discussions” on the WE Blog.
“Just that you’re a mindless idiot that follows the leftist judas goats that will eventually lead you to slaughter.”
“I’m thinking ol’ Rod [Dreher] needs a hormone check. There’s definitely some shrinkage in the testes.“
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cosmos sure has a ‘hard on’ for me. He follows me around, erection in hand, posting when I post and generally when I’m not here at all when he is missing me.
Phantom posted October 20, 2008 at 12:05 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/get-your-joe-the-plumber-jokes-here/#comment-450993
Sounds like the Repubs. killed Hagel’s bill, NOte in the article it says REpubs were the political power houses at F&F after 2004.
Sounds like F&F bought off some repub Senators. Throw the bums out of power!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing_20
Still the bill was more about taking over F&F, and breaking it up, primarily.
“Kansas values”(sic) Regular posted October 20, 2008 at 12:31 am
“I’m thinking ol’ Rod [Dreher] needs a hormone check. There’s definitely some shrinkage in the testes.“
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cosmos sure has a ‘hard on’ for me. He follows me around, erection in hand, posting when I post and generally when I’m not here at all when he is missing me.
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Multi-nic’d Regular,
You seem to have a strong obsession with “testes”, “hard on”, “erection”, “butt lust”, “incessant lustful butt thrusting”, “toe licker”, etc.
Why is that?
The reason the bill did not make law is because Democrats put a block on the bill. Any Senator or Senators in this case, can simply hold up a bill by blocking it. Dodd and Obama lobbied to stop the bill and put a block on it.
The source for this assessment was “A5″, an unsigned, user-contributed answer to one question on govtrack.us, which gives no source for this dubious conclusion itself.
Regular could have even posted the answer himself, for all we know. But this is kind of “credibility” we’ve come to expect from him.
Back to reality: Dodd was on the Banking Committee, but Obama was not, nor was McCain. A substitute was made in committee and reported out (effectively killing the original bill), giving neither Senator a chance to vote on it.
Thanks Rage…. I KNEW it wasnt the Democrats who blocked the bill, since they didnt have the votes…
REGULAR —- Just keep on LYING as usual… I promise I wont poke fun at you on Nov. 5…
What is SO FRIGGIN important that you have to keep LYING to protect McCain??? He just isnt worth that much effort!!
“Many years ago my father asked his children in a dinner-table conversation, ‘Why will capitalism always survive?’ His answer ‘Because socialism will always be used to save it.’”
Ralph Nadar
Mr. Nadar continues:
“The cause of the financial markets meltdown is simple: powerful greed fanned by fraud and reckless risk transfers. Wall Street wanted something for nothing. This fairy tale was written by an army of Wall Street lobbyists who tore down regulations and safeguards meant to protect savers and shareholders.”
Oct. 13, 2008 The Nation, page 6.
Nathaniel said (regarding the $50,000 redecorating of the Wasilla mayor’s office):
“What we have yet to see is any actual investigative reporting actually confirming it.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6SeDXqd-g
In your list of Jill Biden interviews, y’all missed one very recent one.
Vogue
http://www.style.com/vogue/feature/2008_Nov_Jill_Biden/
Regarding Regular’s earlier RANT >>>>
From FactCheck.org >>>>
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_welfare.html
Cf. — http://www.wasillaproject.com
In concern for fairness >>>>
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_trade_trickery.html
Bad boy, Obama!!
“Conclusion
Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama’s interactions with him. We’re making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never “lied” about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly “radical.” And Ayers is more than a former “terrorist,” he’s also a well-known figure in the field of education.”
– by Viveca Novak and Brooks Jackson
PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING >>>>
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
One more >>>>
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6573406.html
Obama DOES NOT support re-instating the Fairness Doctrine…. My, my —- what a difference to what the Blog riff-raff has beren posting!! LOL
sorry folks… my lasix hit hard, and now I can go back to bed… I hope!!
Chas,
You are damn idiot and a liar!
Read the truth.
Box has got the rest of the story, sounds like I was right, the Dims on this blog are either too afraid to read the links above, or too dishonest.
Our resident fake, dishonest preacher is lying again as well. The bill didn’t have a chance.
“The chairmen hold extensive powers: they control the committee’s agenda, and so decide how much, if any, time to give to a bill;”
http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:AHXAzXuAK-cJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate+does+senate+committee+chairman+control+the+agenda&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
“A September 11, 2003 New York Times article shows that President Bush proposed “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” His proposal: An agency within the Treasury Department to supervise mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac —are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee.”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed. ”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
According to OpenSecrets.org , between 1988 and 2008 Dodd received $133,900, Kerry $111,000, Clinton $75,550, and Obama — in only 143 days in the Senate — received a whopping $105,849 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lobbyists.
Pennsylvania Democrat representative Paul Kanjorksi, who also opposed new Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac regulations, was given more than any other member of the House of Representatives. He was paid $65,500 coming by these lobbyists.
http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:wmJZ68Pz5JMJ:www.topix.com/forum/city/welch-wv/T66230BT45IHT5JJ0+bill+to+control+Freddie+and+Fannie,+2003&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a
But Democrats in Congress, also known as “the caucus perpetually on the wrong side of history,” were having none of this “responsibility” stuff.”
Lying Dimocrats…..just like on this blog!!!
Oh and BlueJay, no matter who wins you will never be anything better or have anything better than the trash you are now, because that’s who you are.
“The chairmen hold extensive powers: they control the committee’s agenda, and so decide how much, if any, time to give to a bill;”
http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:AHXAzXuAK-cJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate+does+senate+committee+chairman+control+the+agenda&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
And what party did that chairman belong…Dimocrat.
Ummmm Boxlock????
From your FIRST link >>>>
September 11, 2003 New York Times article
WHO controlled Congress in 2003??? REPUBLICANS
HOW can a Democrat be a committee Chair in a Republicn controlled Congress??? THEY CANT!!
I have no idea what relevance your post on the History and organization of the Senate has in reference to the failed bills of 2003, and 2005…. But I am sure you try to spin your way around it….
Have at it you LYING SOB….
“Each Senate committee and subcommittee is led by a chairman (usually a member of the majority party). Formerly, committee chairmanship was determined purely by seniority; as a result, several elderly senators continued to serve as chairmen despite severe physical infirmity or even senility.[14] Committee chairmen are elected, but, in practice, seniority is rarely bypassed.”
http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:AHXAzXuAK-cJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate+does+senate+committee+chairman+control+the+agenda&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Boxlock —- Why would you reference Barney Frank, D – MA, in a discussion on the Senate??
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.
In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI’s chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain’s campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.
Freddie Mac’s payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel’s bill to the then GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.
In the midst of DCI’s yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.
Unknown to the senators, DCI was undermining support for the bill in a campaign targeting 17 Republican senators in 13 states, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. The states and the senators targeted changed over time, but always stayed on the Republican side.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/the_influence_game_housing#full
mxyzptlk
Posted October 20, 2008 at 7:51 am | Permalink
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Below is more from the article you cited.
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Democrats did not like the harshest provision, which would have given a new regulator a mandate to shrink Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae by forcing them to sell off part of their portfolios. That approach, the Democrats feared, would cut into the ability of low- and moderate-income families to buy houses.
The political backdrop to the debate “was like bizarre-o-world,” said the second of three people familiar with the program. “The Republicans were pro-regulation and the Democrats were against it; it was upside down.”
Sen. Richard Shelby, the committee chairman at the time, underscored that in a statement Wednesday, saying that with Democrats already on their side, it was not surprising that Freddie Mac and Freddie Mae went after Republicans. “Unfortunately,” said Shelby, R-Ala., “efforts then to derail reform were successful.”
In a sign of bad things to come, Freddie Mac was already having serious problems in 2005. Auditors had exposed massive accounting issues, so improved regulation was one obvious remedy.
Once Freddie Mac’s in-house lobbyists failed to keep Hagel’s bill bottled up in the committee, McLoughlin responded by secretly hiring DCI.
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It appears there was enough rot on both sides of the aisle to corrupt the entire attempt to bring order from chaos.
“Boxlock —- Why would you reference Barney Frank, D – MA, in a discussion on the Senate??”
Hey Chas, I can answer that.
Because he’s a blind idiot and is wrong on this, like most things.
If he reads it in townhall, it’s true.
If he doesnt read it in townhall, it doesnt exist.
Max,
You strike me as a bitter lonely old man. Life is too short going through it hating.
I strongly disagree with KFG and Blue Jay,among others,on politics,that doesn’t mean I have to start hating and calling names. There are a lot of people here who I disagree with that I think would be a blast to hang with.
Come out in the real world with the rest of us,hell you might actually have some fun if you aren’t careful
“HOW can a Democrat be a committee Chair in a Republicn controlled Congress??? THEY CANT!!
Have at it you LYING SOB…”
Because a Dimocrat WAS the Chair of the Committee you STUPID SOB!
Read the links then sit there like a compete ass and say the Dims weren’t obstructionist in doing anything.
And Barney Frank was the highest recipient of Freddie and Fannie bribe contributions.
“And Barney Frank was the highest recipient of Freddie and Fannie bribe contributions.”
Oh…and the discussion wasn’t simply on the Senate, it was on the causes of the financial problems we are having and the Dimocrats contributory roll in that.
Try an keep up Chas….if you can, which I doubt.
I suppose I shouldn’t get upset with you as I imagine you have some tremendously great problems you are unable to overcome, but you are such a hypocrite that it’s hard not to dislike you.
(CNN) — Conservative talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh Monday strongly defended his recent remark that Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama largely because of race, and lashed out at members of the media and Democrats for appearing to take issue with his comment.
“So what if it’s race?” Limbaugh said on his radio show. “Why is it so hard to admit that it’s race…What’s so problematic about admitting it?”
Limbaugh’s original comments came in an email to Politico reporter Jonathan Martin Sunday, when the talk-radio host took issue with Powell’s contention that his endorsement of the Illinois senator did not have anything to do with the color of his skin.
“Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race,” Limbaugh wrote in the e-mail. “OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I’ll let you know what I come up with.”
Rush Lamebutt is such an moron.