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Vials From Miller-Urey Experiment Offer New Hints on Origin of Life
A classic experiment exploring the origin of life has more than a half-century later yielded new results.
In 1953, Stanley L. Miller, then a graduate student of Harold C. Urey at the University of Chicago, put ammonia, methane and hydrogen — the gases believed to be in early Earth’s atmosphere, — along with water in a sealed flask and applied electrical sparks to simulate the effects of lightning. A week later, amino acids, the building blocks of proteins, were generated out of the simple molecules.
Enshrined in high school textbooks, the Miller-Urey experiment raised expectations that scientists could unravel life’s origins with simple chemistry experiments. The excitement has long since subsided. The amino acids never grew into the more complex proteins. Scientists now think the composition of air on early Earth was different from what Dr. Miller used, leading some to question whether the Miller-Urey experiment had any relevance to the still-unsolved question of the origin of life.
After Dr. Miller’s death in May 2007, Dr. Jeffrey L. Bada of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, who had been one of Dr. Miller’s graduate students, found boxes containing hundreds of vials of dried residues collected from the experiments conducted in 1953 and 1954.
More of the stuff creationists wish they had:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/science/17LIFE.html?_r=2&ref=us&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Hey America!
Is this the party you want in control?
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Mahoney Admits ‘Multiple’ Affairs But No Crimes
Saturday, October 18, 2008
Rep. Tim Mahoney
PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. — U.S. Rep. Tim Mahoney, embroiled in an adultery scandal and a tight race for re-election, admitted Friday to having at least two affairs but insisted he broke no laws and did not violate his oath of office.
The first-term Democrat conceded that one of the affairs began as he was running on a family values platform to replace Mark Foley, a Republican who resigned amid revelations that he sent lurid Internet messages to male pages who had worked on Capitol Hill as teenagers.
Mahoney, 52, apologized to his wife, his daughter and his constituents, even as he maintained he hadn’t been hypocritical.
“I can understand why people would feel that way and for those people, all I can say is, ‘I’m sorry I let you down,”‘ Mahoney said in his first set of interviews since news broke earlier this week that he had a sexual relationship with Patricia Allen, 50, whom he met while campaigning in 2006.
Allen went to work for Mahoney’s congressional office, then his campaign. Mahoney said she was fired for performance issues, not because of the affair.
Allen threatened to sue Mahoney for sexual harassment. They reached a settlement to avoid a public airing, with her payout coming from Mahoney’s personal accounts, not from campaign funds or federal dollars, he said.
Allen has not returned repeated telephone calls.
Mahoney also acknowledged he had an affair with a high-ranking Martin County official in his Florida district while simultaneously lobbying the Federal Emergency Management Agency to give the county a $3.4 million hurricane clean-up reimbursement. The funds were awarded last year.
He insisted, however, that he did nothing more for Martin County than he did for others in his district.
Mahoney confessed to “multiple” other affairs, though he wouldn’t say how many.
“You’re asking me over a lifetime? I’m just saying I’ve been unfaithful and I’m sorry for that,” he said.
The multimillionaire venture capitalist maintained a distinction between his behavior in office and Foley’s, though he wouldn’t specify.
“With respect to the former congressman, I think that his situation is different from my situation,” Mahoney said. “I don’t want anyone to misinterpret that as me saying somehow I’m saying I’m more proud. I’m not saying that at all.”
Foley was cleared of criminal wrongdoing and left Congress to go into real estate.
The FBI has contacted Mahoney as part of an investigation into whether he hired Allen to keep her quiet about the affair and whether he showed any preferential treatment to Martin County in exchange for sex.
Mahoney said he welcomed the FBI probe and has no reason to be concerned. He has called for his own investigation of his conduct by the House Ethics Committee, as has House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, thought the inquiry may not be completed before the Nov. 4 election.
In a statement Friday, the ethics committee said it was reviewing the matter and would interview Mahoney and others.
Mahoney, whose district leans slightly Republican, said he will remain in the race and said he would not bow to Republicans’ calls for him to resign. He said he takes pride in his record, if not his personal life.
“We did go to Washington and we got rid of the meals, the trips, we brought more transparency,” he said.
He said he settled the case with Allen because “whether you prevail right or wrong, at the end of the day, you’re living in a glass house of public opinion.”
“I was ashamed and did not want it to come to light, no doubt about it,” he said.
All told, according to Mahoney’s attorney Gary Isaacs, the congressman will have spent $141,903 to resolve the Allen matter — $61,903 to Allen; $60,000 to her attorney; and $20,000 to his own attorney.
Mahoney said he told his wife about the affairs “months ago,” and hoped voters would forgive him and judge him on his work in office rather than his personal failings.
“I do feel like I let them down,” he said. “I just hope that they can understand I’m a human being. I never presented myself as being perfect.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,440183,00.html
Hey America, is this the party you want in control?
Fossella Convicted in Virginia of Drunken Driving
ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Representative Vito J. Fossella, a Staten Island Republican, was found guilty on Friday of a misdemeanor charge of driving under the influence of alcohol after being stopped on an Alexandria road early one morning last spring.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/nyregion/18fossella.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Brought to you by the “religion of peace”. Muslims bring 13 year old “wife” to America to be sex and house slave.
SEATTLE, Washington (AP) — Five Afghan immigrants enslaved a teenage girl they brought to the United States, with some forcing her to do chores and one beating and sexually assaulting her, according to a federal indictment unsealed this week.
The girl is from an impoverished single-parent home in Afghanistan, and she was informally adopted by another family there that forced her to marry at age 13 in 2005, Emily Langlie, a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney’s office, said Thursday.
The girl’s 37-year-old husband is Mohammad Atahee, a friend of the adoptive family; U.S. officials don’t recognize the marriage.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/17/slave.girl.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Hey America, is this the man you want in the White House with his finger on the nuclear button?
From WMR, November 20, 2007: WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lieut. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.
WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neocons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-to-ground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.”
In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration.
“Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots. McCain was quickly transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). After the disaster, McCain was shot down over North Vietnam on October 26, 1967.
McCain was confronted by Forrestal fire survivors with his role in starting the Forrestal fire during his 2000 presidential campaign, particularly in South Carolina. McCain was visibly shaken by the encounter with the survivors, according to some who contacted WMR. WMR is pleased to present the video that causes McCain to turn whiter than his usual wan complexion. Watch the following video and McCain’s reaction to any mention of the Forrestal is understandable.
Here is the video on YouTube.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/4
After reading many of these “new flashes” about Politicians I am reminded of what I said of small towns and gossip. “ If the truth is not bad enough than make up a good lie!”.
mxyzptlk,
Man, you’re gonna be sorry you posted about McCain starting that fire. That just drives Heckler crazy! He’ll be all over you about that.
(CNN) — Barack Obama scored three high-profile newspaper endorsements Friday, including two from papers that have never endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate before.
The Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune and The Washington Post all praised Obama’s handling of the grueling presidential campaign and the historical nature of his candidacy as the African American to be the nominee for a major political party. It’s the first time either the Times or the Tribune, Obama’s historically conservative hometown newspaper, has endorsed a Democrat for the White House.
Sarah Palin on Barack Obama:
“I know Obama loves America. I’m sure that is why he’s running for president. It’s because he wants to do what he believes is in the best interest of this great nation.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/17/palin-speaks-to-reporters-about-ayers-wright-state-of-the-race/
I’ve written many times that if we knew everything that went on in the oval office, few presidents would survive three months without being hung from a lamp post. Dead, nude and flayed, most likely.
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XXX
Posted October 18, 2008 at 7:18 am | Permalink
mxyzptlk,
Man, you’re gonna be sorry you posted about McCain starting that fire. That just drives Heckler crazy! He’ll be all over you about that.
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That’s because the false story has been disproved many times, yet still gets repeated by progressive Libs.
The F-4 carrying the zuni rocket was on the other side of the aircraft carrier, so contact was not even possible.
stupid
ignorant
liars
hypocrites
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Why don’t you guys focus on the real issues rather than the negative character accusations?
Which one offers a better plan for dealing with the healthcare crisis and why do you feel that way?
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 18, 2008 at 7:28 am | Permalink
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Posted October 18, 2008 at 7:30 am | Permalink
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Instead of admitting to your lies about the Forrestal and McCain, this is your reaction.
stupid
ignorant
liars
hypocrites
Why don’t you guys focus on the real issues rather than the negative character accusations?
Like Johnny “wet start” McCain?
Do why do you like McCain’s plan for the healthcare crisis rather than Obama’s Reg?
That’s “why do you”!
Well….why not discuss the real issues for a refreshing change?
re healthcare:
Obama would require that all employers either offer health benefits to their employees or contribute to the cost of a new public program.
Obama’s plan ties healthcare directly to employment.
Obama’s plan would make it another entitlement program like Medicare which is already going to be in the tank in a few years.
Republicans want to abolish:
social security
medicare
the public school system
a woman’s right to choose conception/childbirth
Republicans want to implement:
absolute morality
one State religion
the rights of Kings for the rich
transfer of wealth from the low/middle classes to the pockets of the rich
wars of aggression to steal other nation’s resources
That’s for starters.
Only employers that have a lot of employees, and that isurance companies can’t “cherry pick”, he has great ideas on ways to bring down the cost of healthcare that costs Americans nothing…and a national program that people can buy into (like all members of government) for those whose employers don’t offer insurance.
This goes a long way to providing access to affordable health care to uninsured or uninsurable Americans…McCain’s plan does little or nothing to solve the crisis…giving families a $5,000 tax credit doesn’t do much when the average cost of insutance for a family is around $1,600 per month to buy it yourself and insurance companies can freely choose who they’ll cover and who they won’t.
Obama Supporter Assaults Female McCain Volunteer in New York
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/
“While the Democrat-leaning media continues to scare undecided voters with bedtime stories about some mythical angry McCain supporter whom nobody has seen, here is a real district attorney’s complaint documenting an unprovoked assault by an enraged Democrat against a McCain volunteer in midtown Manhattan: “Defendant grabbed the sign [informant] was holding, broke the wood stick that was attached to it, and then struck informant in informant’s face thereby causing informant to sustain redness, swelling, and bruising to informant’s face and further causing informant to sustain substantial pain.”
The overly formal document doesn’t mention this important detail: the victim was a small, quiet, middle-aged woman wearing glasses, and the attacker was a loud, angry man who went into orbit at the mere sight of McCain campaign signs.”
Damn Dimocrat scum…..there everywhere.
Girl, only 12 years old, called racist for wearing Palin t-shirt
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsessionid=A4CEAB9818A9A9118B78F5A762E724C3?contentId=7664724&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.14.1&sflg=1
And it just goes on and on, and without a word of condemnation by the damn Dimocrats….but of course, as that’s the kind of people they are!
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 18, 2008 at 8:07 am | Permalink
Only employers that have a lot of employees, and that isurance companies can’t “cherry pick”, he has great ideas on ways to bring down the cost of healthcare that costs Americans nothing
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You’re kidding me right?
You actually believe that costs can be brought down to nothing?
Get real, someone will have to pay and if it is the business person, we’ll all see the rising costs in the goods and services we buy.
“Republicans want to abolish:
social security
medicare
the public school system
a woman’s right to choose conception/childbirth
Republicans want to implement:
absolute morality
one State religion
the rights of Kings for the rich
transfer of wealth from the low/middle classes to the pockets of the rich
wars of aggression to steal other nation’s resources
That’s for starters.”
Oh come on! I know too many Republicans who take full advantage of Social Security and Medicare, and all the other things you say is simply not true.
I’ve never net a Republican who acts like the boggey man you describe. You’re as guilty as the extremists on the other side who believes that all liberals want to do is live on welfare and other governemnt handouts and just have lots of illegitimate babies.
John McCain Supports UNREPENTANT EXTREMIST G. Gordon Liddy
chicagotribune.com — McCain: fundraiser at Liddy’s house, $5000 in campaign contributions ($1000 this year), greeted as ‘old friend’ and says he’s proud of Liddy on his radio show. Liddy 1972: Watergate break-in, proposal to kidnap activists, planning the murder of a newspaper columnist; 1995: tells listeners to kill federal agents. Liddy: No regrets. McCain: no reply.
No, not that cost can be brought down to nothing..I never said that. I said AFFORDABLE. Every American needs to have access to affordable healthcare.
Having a government substidized program like Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA system that people can BUY into is a great idea…it’s no different than buying into a private insurance policy..only subject to more oversight so the cost will stay more reasonable. People can keep their own private insurance if they choose.
Ane I think there should be no such thing as FREE healthcare. Everyone should have co pays, that would cut down on abuse and as a result, also the cost of healthcare.
I know a woman on Medicaid who went to the ER 27 times in one month…if she had even a $10 co pay everytime she went, she wouldn’t have done it.
Those are the sort of things that need to change. There are so many ways to bring down the cost of health care.
I gotta go…out of town this weekend..bye!
There you go Mary. While you have your opinions, I have mine. You asked and I responded. While you may think those things aren’t true, I believe they are.
G. Gordon Liddy is a true American hero! One of the few people involved with the Watergate fiasco that has any honor.
His so called telling “. . .listeners to kill federal agents.” was actually pretty good advice. I was listening to the ‘G-Man’ the day he gave that advice.
It was after out-of-control BATF agents had broken into the wrong house and killed an innocent man coming down his stairs with a gun in his hand. The man was in his underwear and investigating the break in of his home.
G. Gordon Liddy’s advice to anyone that had to return fire against a BATF agent trying to kill him was to ‘go for a head shot’ because they were wearing body armor.
Scott Simon just had a moment of commentary about how Christopher Buckley was ushered out of National Review (the magazine his father founded) for endorsing Barack Obama’s candidacy.
William F. Buckley was, perhaps, the last thinking conservative. He believed in argument. But, as Simon points out, WFB didn’t countenance “argument” that currently dominates political discourse.
Name-calling has become the primary CON tactic anymore.
Unsubstantiated claims seem to be just about all the CONs need in an attempt to make their “case.”
Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as “an old friend,” and McCain sounded like one. “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family,” he gushed. “It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”
Which principles would those be?
The ones that told Liddy it was fine to break into the office of the Democratic National Committee to plant bugs and photograph documents?
The ones that made him propose to kidnap anti-war activists so they couldn’t disrupt the 1972 Republican National Convention?
The ones that inspired him to plan the murder (never carried out) of an unfriendly newspaper columnist?
In 1994, he gave some advice to his listeners: “Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches.”
Given Liddy’s record, it’s hard to see why McCain would touch him with a 10-foot pole. On the contrary, he should be returning his donations and shunning his show. Yet the senator shows no qualms about associating with Liddy — or celebrating his service to their common cause.
That’s an odd policy for someone who is so forthright about his rival’s responsibility. McCain thinks Obama should apologize for associating with a criminal extremist. To which Obama might reply: After you.
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Priceless video of McCain when Letterman asks him about pal-ing around with convicted felon and domestic terrorist G Gordon Liddy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpGdL1K46Hc
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 18, 2008 at 8:42 am | Permalink
Scott Simon just had a moment of commentary about how Christopher Buckley was ushered out of National Review (the magazine his father founded) for endorsing Barack Obama’s candidacy.
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“I gather this week from conservative publications that those whose thoughts lead them to criticism in this area are to be shunned, and accused of the lowest motives. In one now-famous case, Christopher Buckley was shooed from the great magazine his father invented. In all this, the conservative intelligentsia are doing what they have done for five years. They bitterly attacked those who came to stand against the Bush administration. This was destructive. If they had stood for conservative principle and the full expression of views, instead of attempting to silence those who opposed mere party, their movement, and the party, would be in a better, and healthier, position.”
–Peggy Noonan, 17-Oct-2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122419210832542317.html
hehehe
Unlike, Ayers, Obama’s friend, mentor and ghost writer of his books, Liddy has served his time. He’s paid his debt to society.
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Regular
Posted October 18, 2008 at 7:26 am | Permalink
That’s because the false story has been disproved many times, yet still gets repeated by progressive Libs.
The F-4 carrying the zuni rocket was on the other side of the aircraft carrier, so contact was not even possible.
stupid
ignorant
liars
hypocrites
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God, I love the smell of fear!
“ If the truth is not bad enough than make up a good lie!”
Heeeeeeeee….
Always good to see you Dawg. Say hello to the Mrs. I hope you and yours are well and happy!
“I was talking about a situation in which law enforced agents comes smashing into a house, doesn’t say who they are, and their guns are out, they’re shooting, and they’re in the wrong place. This has happened time and time again. The ATF has gone in and gotten the wrong guy in the wrong place. The law is that if somebody is shooting at you, using deadly force, the mere fact that they are a law enforcement officer, if they are in the wrong, does not mean you are obliged to allow yourself to be killed so your kinfolk can have a wrongful death action. You are legally entitled to defend yourself and I was speaking of exactly those kind of situations. If you’re going to do that, you should know that they’re wearing body armor so you should use a head shot. Now all I’m doing is stating the law, but all the nuances in there got left out when the story got repeated.”
G. Gordon Liddy commenting on his controversial statement concerning ATF agents.
spin spin spin
The surge. The one that provided a dampening of the violence so political challenges could be addressed. Well, the U.S. soldiers did their part… And if McCain is elected will be expected to do their part overandover.
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Iraq’s al-Sadr Urges Rejection of US-Iraqi Deal
Iraqi Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr has called on Iraq’s parliament to reject a security agreement with the United States, as tens of thousands of his supporters rallied in Baghdad against the deal.
The demonstrators chanted anti-U.S. slogans and waved Iraqi flags as they marched from the capital’s Sadr City district to the central Mustansiriyah Square Saturday.
A Sadr aide read aloud a statement from the influential cleric, who urged Iraqi lawmakers not to vote for the proposed security deal. He said the agreement will not end the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq, and will not give sovereignty to the Iraqi people.
more at:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-10-18-voa3.cfm
HLP,
You could have saved time and effort by simplifying your spin to IOKIYAR. We understood your stance anyway.
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lindainks55
Posted October 18, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink
HLP,
You could have saved time and effort by simplifying your spin to IOKIYAR. We understood your stance anyway.
______________________________________________
Good morning, Linda!
You might examine your definition of ’spin’.
I brought facts and quotes in context to the discussion to support my views. You, on the other hand, brought . . . well, . . . nothing.
IOKIYAR adds little to the discussion. It merely indicates you are unable to contribute to the discussion in any meaningful way.
The disagreements between members of the Republican Party may need a surge too!
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GOP Sen. Susan Collins decries anti-Obama robocalls
Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins, facing a tough reelection fight, urged GOP presidential contender John McCain on Friday to stop making automated calls into her state linking Democratic nominee Barack Obama to a 1960s radical.
“These kind of tactics have no place in Maine politics,” said Collins’ spokesman, Kevin Kelley. “Sen. Collins urges the McCain campaign to stop these calls immediately.”
The so-called robocalls — which began Thursday, the day after the final presidential debate — refer to Obama’s ties to one-time Weather Underground leader William Ayers. They also are being made in other battleground states, including Nevada, Wisconsin and Virginia.
The calls say Obama “has worked closely with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, a judge’s home and killed Americans.”
In 1969, when Obama was 8, Ayers co-founded the Weatherman, which became the Weather Underground. It claimed responsibility for bombing several government buildings, but not a judge’s home. Obama has condemned Ayers’ radical activities.
Charges against Ayers were dropped because of government misconduct. Today he is an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. In 1997, the city named him its citizen of the year.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-robo18-2008oct18,0,782963.story
It indicates I’m commenting on your opinion and not buying it. Did you forget to change your moniker to BlogMonitor before deciding what I can and cannot comment on, what opinions I might agree or disagree with?
But do continue to denigrate me. It adds to your credibility.
Wow. Just wow. What’s next? The sun rising in the west? He must REALLY like being on MSNBC. And Fox? Apparantly not so much, since this is likely to make him unwelcome there.
Michael Smerconish endorsed Sen. Barack Obama
In Philly, Conservative Talk Radio Host Backs Obama
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/in-phil...
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“I’ve decided,” he said. “My conclusion comes after reading the candidates’ memoirs and campaign platforms, attending both party conventions, interviewing both men multiple times, and watching all primary and general election debates.
“John McCain is an honorable man who has served his country well. But he will not get my vote. For the first time since registering as a Republican 28 years ago, I’m voting for a Democrat for president.
“I may have been an appointee in the George H.W. Bush administration, and master of ceremonies for George W. Bush in 2004, but last Saturday I stood amidst the crowd at an Obama event in North Philadelphia,” says the Republican.
Smerconish has given us some more from his op-ed:
“Terrorism. The candidates disagree as to where to prosecute the war against Islamic fundamentalists. Barack Obama is correct in saying the front line in that battle is not Iraq, it’s the Afghan-Pakistan border. Osama bin Laden crossed that border from Tora Bora in December 2001, and we stopped pursuit. The Bush administration outsourced the hunt for bin Laden and, instead, invaded Iraq. …
The attacks began the day after Bush/McCain said he would run a “respectful” campaign. NOT!
Yeah lindainks, I can see what Ayers is a hero to you.
Of course, it doesn’t matter that his fingerprints were found all over a room where bomb making material was present.
Under today’s laws, Ayers would have gotten at least twenty years prison time.
“IOKIYAR adds little to the discussion. It merely indicates you are unable to contribute to the discussion in any meaningful way.”
Heh.
And all this time I thought it meant “it’s ok if you are a republican”!
Who knew?
“Yeah lindainks, I can see what Ayers is a hero to you.
Of course, it doesn’t matter that his fingerprints were found all over a room where bomb making material was present.
Under today’s laws, Ayers would have gotten at least twenty years prison time.” — Regular
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Charge him, prosecute him, if he is found guilty punish him. See if you can manage to work in the eight-year-old Obamas involvement.
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lindainks55
Posted October 18, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink
“Yeah lindainks, I can see what Ayers is a hero to you.
Of course, it doesn’t matter that his fingerprints were found all over a room where bomb making material was present.
Under today’s laws, Ayers would have gotten at least twenty years prison time.” — Regular
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Charge him, prosecute him, if he is found guilty punish him. See if you can manage to work in the eight-year-old Obamas involvement.
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Don’t have to figure out what Osama Obama did when he was eight.
When he was an adult, Obama chose to hang around an unrepentant terrorist.
Of course, you think it’s okay to set bombs to injure and attempt to kill people.
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The Salina Journal censors have gone overboard, censoring the words ‘gay’ ‘idiot’ and ’sex’.
PMom, at least you’ve figured out what words are censored there and can adjust. I can’t figure out what might trigger “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” Seems to change. Yesterday I posted something three times — adjusting the original post twice — before giving up. I’m not a good mind reader and didn’t want to take the time to go back and put a space someplace in each and every word. And, if a space in a word makes it OK and of course we can all read it as well with the space, doesn’t that negate the censorship?
A Thursday letter blaming the economic crisis on the Community Reinvestment Act (which increased loans to minorities, among others) is a good example of a right-wing talking point, spread by talk radio and blogs. What’s typical is that it happens to be wrong.
Data show that the loans granted under the CRA were more likely to be repaid than average, and more likely to be retained by the originating bank. It’s the re-selling of bad loans, and bundling them into “mortgage-backed securities” (whatever the heck those are!), which were sold and resold around the world that underlies a big part of the domino effect on credit.
It’s nice to blame everything on liberals, even better to blame it on minorities. Like most of the stuff circulating from the right, it just happens to be wrong.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081005/OPINION02/710059962
Heeeee….
I’ve always thought Mary, Linda, Rox and maybe Pmom, although she’s a little young, were prizes.
I didnt know how highly prized we “women of a certain age” really are!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081018/ap_on_el_pr/boomer_women
Yeah XXX.
It’s all because, according to wingnuts, “libruls made us loan money to colored people”.
Facts be damned….
I remember when sursum told us about the paper ballots used by Canadians and how everything was tabulated two hours after the polls closed on the west coast and how reliable (not to mention inexpensive!) that paper and pencil was. Sure would be great if the US of A could be as advanced as Canada!
Did anyone ever find out which candidate Diebold has endorsed?
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Did Washington waste millions on faulty voting machines?
WASHINGTON — Hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding that have gone to upgrade the nation’s voting machines since 2003 were used to purchase touch-screen systems that many states are now scrapping because of concerns about their security and reliability.
State governments in Alaska, California, Florida, Iowa, Maryland, Tennessee and New Mexico have decided to replace their touch-screen electronic machines. While some states have completed the switch, others won’t finish replacing the machines until 2010. Nationwide, the federal government spent $1.2 billion on new voting machines between 2003 and 2007.
more at:
http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/508139.html
And what is that data telling us?
• The Pew Research Center looked at the three major political surveys they have conducted since June, comparing the results with cell-phone interviews included against the landline-only figures. They saw “a virtually identical pattern” on all three surveys: “In each case, including cell-phone interviews resulted in slightly more support for Obama and slightly less for McCain, a consistent difference of 2 to 3 points in the margin.”
The biggest reason is a large difference they observed among registered voters under 30: Those in cell-phone-only households preferred Obama by a 35-percentage-point margin (62 percent to 27 percent), while Obama led by a much closer margin (52 percent to 39 percent) among those in households with wired phones.
• This past spring, Gallup managing editor Jeff Jones looked at six Gallup/USA Today surveys conducted during the first four months of 2008 and saw a similar pattern. Adding cell-phone interviews appeared to add roughly 2 points to Obama’s total and take roughly 2 points from McCain.
I checked in with Jones this week to see if the pattern has held in the ongoing Gallup Daily tracking conducted over the course of the year. They are “still seeing the same pattern (crudely),” he wrote back, a “point or two more for McCain and a point or two less for Obama excluding cell-phone interviews.” Jones hedged a bit, however, saying that they did not re-weight their wired-phone data (as Pew did) for this comparison.
• A few weeks ago, blogger Nate Silver compared the house effects of national polls that have been interviewing by cell phone with those that have not. He found that including cell phone interviews appeared to improve Obama’s standing by 2 to 3 percentage points on the margin.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/no_20081014_1266.php
“Just one week receiving an $85 billion bailout, AIG executives went on a retreat to a luxury resort, spending nearly $500,000 on manicures, facials, pedicures, and massages, among other things. After being ridiculed for the vacation, AIG announced today that the parties are over.”
AIG: 52Wk High: 66.64 P/E: 10.30
52Wk Low: 1.25 Close: 2.10
This is a smart company. It is a BEST BUY
right now.
Mary–good question upthread. Sadly, the people it is aimed at ignore sense, logic and adult conversation. They obviously would much rather engage in childish insults, immature attacks and idiotic name calling.
Sad…this blog had such promise and it is degenerated into an electronic kindergarten.
The great social experiment of a House for Every Family has failed. Jimmy Carter and his band of merry democrats in Congress who started this free home program, through Clinton who expanded the program (RE: no verification of income/credit), to the greedy corporations milking the system – have failed.
On the other hand,
Those in ACORN who began administering the Free Home Program at every local level; who encouraged people to lie on their applications and who threatened and pushed lenders to give away the farm – this might have been in the original plan.
It is possible ACORN was smart enough all along to know once they got as many poor people in homes, they could get the gubermint to bail them out, and let them all keep their homes for free.
Which is it?
Obama is speaking to a crowd of 100,000 in St. Louis. Earlier, McCain spoke to a crowd of about 100 in North Carolina. I wonder if they had to pay the viewers in NC?
‘McCain calls Joe the Plumber, invites him on the trail’
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/17/mccain-calls-joe-the-plumber-invites-him-on-the-trail/
At a rally in Melbourne, Florida Friday evening, Senator McCain revealed he had called Joe Wurzelbacher.
“I talked to him this morning for the first time ever,” said McCain. “And I want to tell you his sprits are good and he’s a tough guy. He is what small business people all over this country are all about.
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LOL!
Joe does NOT own a small business.
Joe earlier misunderstand Obama’s plan — Joe now understands that the company he wants to buy makes less than $250,000, and Obama’s plan would NOT increase taxes on it.
Joe does not have any serious plans to buy Newell’s plumbing business.
Joe does not have a plumbing license, and has not even completed his apprenticeship.
Ohio may suspend his drivers license.
But McCain believes that Joe “is what small business people all over this country are all about”?
After McCain said whatever he needed to say about Joe (didn’t let facts get in his way!) Joe is still a McCain supporter.
I thought for awhile McCain was getting up in front of millions at the last debate and saying things about Joe that weren’t true without Joe’s blessing. That made me feel very sorry for Joe!
Now I know it’s fine with Joe. Doesn’t take brains to be a McCain supporter!
You got that right, Linda!! LOL
Linda,
Also, the plumbers unions endorsed and support Obama.
A good summary of Obama’s answer to Joe.
‘Fact check: Obama said he would ’spread his wealth around’? ‘
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/18/fact-check-obama-said-he-would-spread-his-wealth-around/
“Obama explained his tax plan during the roughly five-minute exchange — telling Wurzelbacher that the tax rate on the portion of his income that was more than $250,000 would be increased from 36 percent to 39 percent.
But he also mentioned that his plan includes a 50 percent small-business tax credit for health care and a proposal to eliminate the capital-gains tax for small businesses that increase in value.
Obama said his tax plan, which he said focuses on bigger breaks for people making lower incomes, would be good for the economy. “If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re going to be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you,” he said. “Right now, everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody. And I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
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In an interview with CNN on Thursday, October 16, Wurzelbacher said he had misunderstood Obama’s plan and that the company he wants to buy makes well less than $250,000 a year — which Obama says means his taxes would not be increased.”
Well I see the major newspapers are starting to weigh in on the election and are coming out in support of Obama.
That helps solidify my vote.
Whatever the f-cking press does, I do opposite.
You sound like Bizarro AmWay! Me think you smart cookie!
You can’t make this stuff up!
It’s Time to Worry about Global COOLING
Kevin Roeten
Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest solar cycle of the past two centuries. They say this will likely lead to unusually cool conditions on Earth. It is also predicted that this cool period will go much longer than the normal 11 year cycle, as the Little Ice Age did. The climate threat is actually cooling, especially to countries like Canada. On the northern limit to agriculture in the world, very little cooling would likely destroy much of its food crops.
The Little Ice Age—the coldest period in the past 1500 years—corresponded perfectly with the Maunder Minimum. There was virtually no sunspot activity for almost seven decades in the Maunder Minimum(per Willie Soon/ Harvard/Astrophysics). It turns out that for those 60-70 years the northern half of our globe was in a deep freeze. The New York harbor froze, allowing walkers to journey from Manhattan to Staten Island, and the Vikings abandoned Greenland–a once verdant land that became tundra. In that Little Ice Age, Finland lost 1/3 of its population and Iceland 1/2.
In the well-known 11-year “Schwabe” sunspot cycle, the output of the sun varies by about 0.1%. Sunspots are violent storms on the surface of the sun. Marine productivity and total irradiance match very well with records that have been kept for centuries on visible sunspots. Hundreds of studies of sunspots and earthly climate indicators(tree rings in Russia’s Kola Peninsula, to water levels of the Nile) show exactly the same thing—that the sun drives climate change.
Even though it has been discovered that the sun is brighter now than anytime in the past 8000 years, the increase in solar output was not calculated to be sufficient to cause all of the past century’s modest warming. But that amplifier was discovered(starting in 2002) with scientific papers from Veizer, Shaviv, Carslaw, and most recently Svendsmark(Danish National Space Agency).
All these scientists have proven(particularly w/Svendsmark) that the sun’s protective solar wind(from sunspots) blows away deep-space cosmic rays. With fewer sunspots there is less solar wind, more cosmic rays, and more cloud formation from those cosmic rays. More cloud formation means more cooling effect on the planet.
In a 2003 poll, 2/3 of more than 530 climate scientists from 27 countries did not believe greenhouse gases were the main reason for global warming. In fact, overlays of CO2 variations show little correlation with earth’s climate on long, medium, and even short time scales. The science is nowhere near settled.
Nigel Weiss(Mathematical Astrophysics/Cambridge) states that “Variable behavior of the sun is an obvious explanation.” He admits that we are now living in a period of abnormally high solar activity, and that these hyperactive periods do not last long(50-100 years), then you get a crash. “It’s a boom-bust system, and I would expect a crash soon.” And when the crash occurs, the Earth can cool dramatically.
Dr. Kukla(Czechoslovakian Academy of Sciences) say he and many others realize that global warming always precedes an ice age. Each lasts about 100,000 years, punctuated by briefer, warmer periods called interglacials. We are in an interglacial now. This ongoing cycle closely matches cyclic variations in Earth’s orbit around the sun. Kukla says “The relationship is just too clear and consistent to allow reasonable doubt. It’s either that, or climate drives orbit, and that just doesn’t make sense.”
No one knows when a ‘crash’ will occur, but scientists expect it soon. Mainly because the sun’s polar field is now at its weakest since measurements began in the 1950’s. A deep crash last occurred in the 17th century—and it was the Little Ice Age, or the Maunder Minimum. “Having a ‘crash’ would certainly allow us to pin down the sun’s true level of influence on the earth’s climate,” concludes Dr. Weiss. “Then we will be able to act on fact, rather than from fear.”
It’s not likely greenhouse ‘gassers’ will be converted in 12 years. They’ll be busy looking for something humans have done to make it so cold.
Me vote for Obama ’cause me like McCain!
Nope, you can’t make this stuff up:
Obama Camp Scraps National Anthem
Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:06 AM
By: Phil Brennan Article Font Size
“The Obama campaign asked Zach Bencal of Londonderry, New Hampshire to sing the National Anthem at an Obama rally there Friday and then told him to forget about it — they had scratched the National Anthem from the program.
According to the New Hampshire Union Leader, the Obama people dumped the Star Spangled Banner..”
Reports are Obama wanted Rev Wright to speak about damning America instead.
‘We’re heading into a new Little Ice Age’
http://www.skepticalscience.com/heading-into-new-little-ice-age.htm
“What if the sun did go through another Maunder Minimum?
However unlikely and difficult to predict, imagine for the sake of argument that the sun does go through another Maunder Minimum over the next century. What effect would this have on Earth’s climate? The difference in solar radiative forcing between Maunder Minimum levels and current solar activity is estimated between 0.17 W/m2 (Wang 2005) to 0.23 W/m2 (Krivova 2007).
In contrast, the radiative forcing of CO2 since pre-industrial times is 1.66 W/m2 (IPCC AR4), far outstripping solar influence. And that’s not including the extra CO2 to be added to the atmosphere in upcoming decades. In other words, the warming from CO2 dwarves any potential cooling even if the sun was to return to Maunder Minimum levels.”
‘Voters say they were duped into registering as Republicans‘
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1216330.story?track=ntothtml
“Dozens of newly minted Republican voters say they were duped into joining the party by a GOP contractor with a trail of fraud complaints stretching across the country.
Voters contacted by The Times said they were tricked into switching parties while signing what they believed were petitions for tougher penalties against child molesters. Some said they were told that they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Others had no idea their registration was being changed.”
More at link.
“Meanwhile, Republicans aren’t saying anything about another more serious voter-registration scandal: the fact that about one-third of eligible voters are not registered. The racial gaps are significant and particularly disturbing. According to a study by Project Vote, a voting-rights group, in 2006, 71 percent of eligible whites were registered, compared with 61 percent of blacks, 54 percent of Latinos and 49 percent of Asian-Americans.
Much of the blame for this lies with overly restrictive registration rules. Earlier this year, the League of Women Voters halted its registration drive in Florida after the state imposed onerous new requirements.
These “onerous new requirements” mainly involve exactly the same requirement these poor victims of cruel Republican disenfranchisement face any time they buy a pack of cigarettes, a six-pack of beer, or use a credit card at Wal Mart. They have to show a photo ID.
Oh, the scandal.
And how does the Times propose to solve this heart-breaking tragedy? Might the wizened heads of our country’s most revered newspaper suggest that voting is ever-so-slightly more important than buying a pack of Marlboros, worthy of a brief jaunt to the local DMV? Could they point out that these requirements were put into place specifically because of the fraud perpetrated by ACORN after the last Presidential election?
Of course not.
Their answer is the same knee-jerk answer the left uses to solve every problem: more government. Voting is no longer the responsibility of the concerned citizen, as far as the Times is concerned. It’s now the task of government to beg and plead for people to minimally participate in the running of the country…..” NY Times 18 Oct, 2008
By Matthew Vadum Saturday, October 18, 2008
It appears ACORN has decided there is no point in continuing to hide an article that links Senator Barack Obama to it in the early 1990s because it’s out there in cyberspace already.
After locking “Case Study: Chicago-The Barack Obama Campaign” (Social Policy magazine, Winter 2003-Spring 2004) when ACORN began getting pummeled by bad press, suddenly the article is available again. (registration required for access) Social Policy magazine is run by ACORN affiliate, the Institute for Social Justice.
The only difference between the version of the article we posted Oct. 13 (PDF) and the version now available on the Social Policy website is the one-page chart labeled “Voter Turnout, Chicago Primaries 2003-2004.” The chart is in the version we posted previously but is absent from the version now available on the website.
Photo of Obama in secret meeting with ACORN:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5645
Reports are Obama wanted Rev Wright to speak about damning America instead.
Bizarro AmWay lies again.
Reader Blind Mule has helpfully redesigned the logo of Barack Obama’s old voter fraud-perpetuating, taxpayer-subsidized shakedown artists at ACORN.
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I see dead people.
In other words, Obama believes ACORN, is above the law:
Obama Camp Seeks Special Prosecutor on Acorn Inquiries
By Michael Falcone
Updated | 8:45 p.m. Seeking to portray law enforcement investigations into reports of fraudulent voter registrations in several states as an extension of the controversial firings of United States attorneys, the Obama campaign on Friday called for a review by a special prosecutor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Free_Press
Canada Free Press is a Canadian website, which publishes conservative news stories, features, and editorials.
Google 2001 churns out another oldie but goodie (h/t MP). RBO’s latest favorite legal term is ipse dixit. It certainly does.
ACORN – Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now
AGAPE – Broadcasting Foundation, Inc.
AHC – ACORN Housing Corporation, Inc.
AHC OF IL – ACORN Housing Corporation of Illinois
AHC OF NY – New York ACORN Housing Company, Inc.
AHC OF PA – ACORN Housing Corporation of Pennsylvania
AISJ – American Institute for Social Justice
ALERT – ACORN Law for Representation & Training
ANP – Arkansas New Party
AR FAIR HOUSING ACHC – Arkansas ACORN FAIR HOUSING
HOTROC – Hospitality, Hotel, & Restaurant Organizing Council
INP – Illinois New Party
KABF – Arkansas Broadcasting Foundation, Inc.
KNON – Agape Broadcasting Foundation, Inc.
LOCAL 100 – Service Employees International Union, AFL-CIO, Local 100
LOCAL 880 – Service Employees International Union, AFL-CIO, Local 880
LA FAIR HOUSING – ACLA of LA Louisiana ACORN Fair Housing
MHANY – Mutual Housing Association of New York, Inc.
PROJECT VOTE – PROJECT VOTE Voting for America, Inc.
Of all the groups on this list, the one that jumps out at us, though, is LOCAL 880. It rings an immediate bell!
RBO has been compiling lists from those Illinois State Board of Elections files for Obama’s Friends of Obama PAC (political action committee). One of those contributors has fairly consistently been the ACORN-affiliated organization SEIU Local 880:
SEIU Local 880 Political Fund, $250, 11/16/1995; $250, 7/8/1997; $500, 7/21/1998; $500, 10/15/1998; $1000, 1/20/2000; $500, 6/23/2000.
In the 2008 election cycle, SEIU Local 880 has only contributed to one candidate — $5001 to Barack Obama.
Two more organizations on this list grab our attention — the Arkansas New Party and the Illinois New Party.
There are state-by-state listings on the web page. Let’s take a look first at the address for the Arkansas ACORN office. It is listed as 2101 South Main Street, Little Rock, AR 72206.
The same physical address is listed for AHC, KABF, SEIU Local 100, ACHC, PROJECT VOTE — as well as for the Arkansas New Party.
All of these Arkansas groups received their email @acorn.org — including the Arkansas New Party.
Now, let’s check out the Illinois listings.
The physical address for ACORN Downtown is listed as 650 S. Clark Street, Chicago, IL 60605, and so is one office location for SEIU LOCAL 880, as well as AHL of Illinois — and the Illinois New Party. PROJECT VOTE is not listed.
As in Arkansas, all of these Illinois groups, including SEIU Local 880 and the Illinois New Party, shared the email address @acorn.org.
Check the other states on the list — ACORN and SEIU share the same physical addresses, same email @acorn.org connection — particularly in New Orleans, ACORN’s national office.
How can anyone — ANYONE — look at this information and not recognize that there is a very close relationship between the ACORN, SEIU and the New Party?
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/acorn-seiu-and-the-new-party-joined-at-the-hip-in-2001/
Obama helped Farrakhan organize Million Man March. Then they marched together there.
Now, Obama’s buddy Farrakhan has a New Plan For Islam in America!!!! Farrakhan, will he be part of Obama’s Administration?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,440466,00.html
Farrakhan Plans ‘New Beginning’ for Nation of Islam
Saturday, October 18, 2008
CHICAGO — The Nation of Islam, a secretive movement generally closed to outsiders, has planned a rare open-to-the public event at its Chicago-based headquarters in what the Minister Louis Farrakhan deemed a “new beginning” for the group.
Great photo of the huge crowd.
‘Obama Rally Draws 100,000 in Missouri‘
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/18/obama-rally-draws-100000-in-missouri/?mod=googlenews_wsj
I was just going to post the same thing Mr C! Same thing with the arches:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/18/scenes-from-the-trail-100000-in-st-louis-for-obama/
Thank you, that’s a great wide-angle shot framed by the arch!
Newspaper endorements,
UPDATED WEEKEND ENDORSEMENT TALLY: Obama Widens Lead
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230
“This brings his lead over McCain-Palin by this measure of daily papers to well over 3-1, at 64-18, including most of the major papers that have decided so far.
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BARACK OBAMA
64 newspapers total
Well over 8 million circulation (we are still counting)
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JOHN McCAIN
18 newspapers total
About 1.7 million daily circulation “
I here Washington D.C. police are planning on arresting Nancy Pelosi for a being the D.C. Madam caught running a ‘house of ill-repute’.
Propaganda Press Endorsed Der Obama!
Surprise!
Heil!
Gee, I need to wake up.
That’s ‘I hear’, not ‘I here’.
and ‘House of ill-repute’
BlueJay
Posted October 17, 2008 at 10:50 pm | Permalink
I find you a curiousity “Freebird”.
Your posts betray you as what I would call a “con”, a Republican, etc.
But in the past, you seem angered by my giving you the label. Why?
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Blue Jay,
In some things I am conservative such welfare spending, punishing the rich and border security. In other areas such as abortion,gay rights,and defense poilcy. So when you call me a con you are painting with a narrow brush. What I am is an American
That should have read in other areas such as abortion,gay rights and defense spending I would be considered by many liberal in my thinking
MaxGrobnik posted October 18, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Propaganda Press Endorsed Der Obama!
Surprise!
Heil!
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Yes, there are some surprises.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230
“This brings his lead over McCain-Palin by this measure of daily papers to well over 3-1, at 64-18, including most of the major papers that have decided so far. In contrast, John Kerry barely edged George W. Bush in endorsements in 2004, by about 213 to 205.
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The Columbian in Washington was an unexpected win for Obama, since the newspaper endorsed President Bush in the 2004 election. The Salt Lake Tribune and the Las Cruces (N.M.) Sun-News also had backed Bush in 2004 but now switched to the Democrat. Obama has now picked up at least 11 “flip-flops” of this type, McCain none.”
Ya’ll do realize that Joe the Plumber is actually Charles Keating’s grandson right? I think he was a plant by McCain’s team.
I mean Joe the fake plumber, sorry.
‘Obama hits back at McCain over taxes’
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/18/obama-hits-back-at-mccain-over-taxes/
” ‘John McCain is so out of touch with the struggles you are facing that he must be the first politician in history to call a tax cut for working people ‘welfare,’” Obama told a massive crowd under the infamous St. Louis arch.
“The only ‘welfare’ in this campaign is John McCain’s plan to give another $200 billion in tax cuts to the wealthiest corporations in America.”
“George Bush and John McCain are out of ideas, they are out of touch, and if you stand with me in 17 days they’ll be out of time,” Obama added to wild applause.
John McCain asserts Obama’s tax plan is tantamount to welfare because he says it would give tax cuts to those who do not pay federal income tax.
“It only goes to people who work and who are already getting taxed on their paycheck. Let me repeat this I’m not giving tax cuts to folks who don’t work, I’m giving tax cuts to people who do work.” Obama said.
“Freebird1971″ –
I share your resentment about welfare bums.
But “welfare” these days is pretty much entirely Aid to Dependent Children. And I just have a problem punishing children with poverty, homelessness, hunger, and no health care simply because they picked the wrong parents.
Newt Gingrich’s solution was to reopen orphanages. It sounds pretty Dickensian, but there probably aren’t any easy answers to the problems of low-lifes.
The Clinton Administration’s efforts for welfare reform pissed off both the left and the right. The left though he was betraying the underclass. The Republic Party whined that Clinton “…stole our issue!”
And that provides the foundation for much of my contempt for what passes as CONservatism these days. The Republic Party had Congress and the presidency and the Supreme court for eight out of the last 12 years. But they’d rather have “Baby Killing” as an issue than do anything about it.
Conservatives such as Goldwater and Buckley used to decry deficit spending, but Reagan/Bush/Shrub CONs subscribed to (The Big) Dick Cheney’s cynical “Deficits don’t matter” approach to politics.
George WMD Bush called the “Haves and the Have-Mores” his base. Trickle-down economics has turned into an exercise in social urination on those you deem less-than you.
We’re a better country than that. We’re better people than that. You’ve recently become associated with an anonymous organization based on helping others; in fact your recovery depends on helping others worse off than you.
Best of all, their meetings are decidedly and determinedly apolitical. Perhaps you need more of those those hours than hours on WE Blog.
– A friend of Lois
Interesting Court ruling on Chicago/ACORN/Navy Pier… long bt worth reading…. If there is a need for translating legalize, get AVTolle to gie it a perusal…..
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=7th&navby=case&no=981939
Please note: The Nation of Islam, is not a ‘SECRETIVE’ organization… It is like any other muslim group — Open to the public.
“I think he was a plant by McCain’s team.” PMom
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IF he isn’t a very well-paid plant, Joe the fake plumber is dumb as a rock. He wasn’t in a position to have the attention he has gotten. I also suspect all his back taxes will now be paid, and at least a plumber’s license (if not a plumbing company) is bought and paid for.
Anatomy of a crisis
Economy: How Washington and Wall Street got into trouble | Timothy Lamer
The current financial crisis gripping Wall Street is head-spinning in its complexity. But economists and analysts have been able to identify several steps along the way that helped lead the country to where it stood last week, on the brink of a massive government program to buy hundreds of billions worth of bad mortgages. Here are some of the steps:
Step 1: Trying to avoid a recession brought on by the bursting of the tech bubble and 9/11, the Federal Reserve under then-Chairman Alan Greenspan began aggressively easing monetary policy. From 2001 to 2003, the Fed Funds rate fell from 6 percent to 1 percent, a 45-year low.
Step 2: With interest rates low and money easy, mortgage lenders started marketing loans to people with questionable credit histories. These “subprime” loans often required no down payments, had adjustable interest rates, and featured exotic elements like “negative amortization” (in which “homeowners” would initially pay less than the interest owed each month, causing the loan’s principal to grow with each “payment”). With these loans fueling demand, housing prices rose, prompting speculators to enter the market and “flip” houses (buying them with debt and then selling them quickly at higher prices). A speculative bubble began to inflate.
Step 3: Mortgage lenders sold their suspect loans to others, especially Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress had over the years allowed the two government-sponsored enterprises to grow very large and become major players in the mortgage market, and in the name of increasing home ownership the two behemoths encouraged subprime lending. Fannie and Freddie packaged these loans into mortgage-backed securities and sold them to investors. The pair “fueled Wall Street’s efforts to securitize subprime loans by becoming the primary customer of all AAA-rated subprime–mortgage pools,” writes economist Kevin Hassett for the Bloomberg news service. “In addition, they held an enormous portfolio of mortgages themselves. . . . Their large presence created an environment within which even mortgage-backed securities assembled by others could find a ready home.”
Step 4: With investment banks using these subprime assets to take on high levels of debt, the financial health of Wall Street became linked to the ability of people with poor (or no) credit histories to make monthly house payments.
Step 5: Interest rates couldn’t remain at historic lows forever. As interest rates began to rise, housing demand fell and the bubble deflated. Subprime borrowers found interest rates on their mortgages adjusting upward at the same time as the value of their houses either fell or flattened. Unable to make payments, many defaulted. Investment banks on Wall Street were left holding the bag—the bag being debt backed by assets with falling values.
Step 6: Fearing a full-scale collapse and severe recession, the Bush administration began engineering bailouts of some of these firms and, finally, proposed a $700 billion macro-bailout. Under the proposal, the Treasury secretary will buy the bad assets from the banks and then sell them. (How much the government makes selling them will determine how much of the $700 billion the government will recoup.) “This staves off judgment day,” Anthony Sabino, professor of law and business at St. John’s University, told the Associated Press. “This is a detox for banks, and will help cleanse themselves of the bad mortgage securities, loans and everything else that has hurt them.”
The plan gives the Treasury secretary (currently Henry Paulson, most likely someone else in January) enormous power, which prompted a debate last week in Washington about how much oversight he or she should come under and how much time he or she should have to get the government out of the real estate business.
The fundamental dynamic is this: Washington and Wall Street helped people buy houses they could not afford on such a massive scale that simply letting the lenders and debtors take their lumps would arguably do grave harm to the economy. They will take some lumps (Wall Street isn’t exactly a hot job market right now), but most of the losses will be “socialized,” or spread out among everyone who pays taxes. This includes those who exercised restraint during the bubble. That’s how it is.
Copyright © 2008 WORLD Magazine
October 04, 2008, Vol. 23, No. 20
http://www.worldmag.com/articles/14457
I think most people would be like me and not want any politician to go on national television in front of millions and tell lies about me. But not Joe. Nope. He thinks all those lies are just fine, hunky dory! What does that tell you?
Are you a muslim Chas?
Million Man Mach — 1995
This is a brief article on the Million Man March held in Washington, D.C. — open to any and all who wished to participate…
Farrakhan was one of moe than 60 speakers…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Man_March
Question for all of you educated people out there!
What percentage of citizens in the USA do not pay income tax?
And what is there level on annual pay?
40,000,000 +/- people are not required to pay income tax. For MULTIPLE reasons. Try checking at http://www.irs.gov for an accurate estimate.
“Monkeyhawk
Posted October 18, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
George WMD Bush called the “Haves and the Have-Mores” his base.”
Wrong!
He used that during the Alfred F. Smith dinner and as anyone knows, it was part of his comedy routine that both the R and D presidential candidates present. He was speaking to those in the audience, which were a majority of D’s.
Unless of course you think Obama really is from Krypton……….
“one of moe than 60 speakers…”
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“one of more than 60 speakers…”
“Chas
Posted October 18, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink
40,000,000 +/- people are not required to pay income tax. For MULTIPLE reasons. Try checking at http://www.irs.gov for an accurate estimate.”
That is exactly who McCain was talking about receiving tax cuts under Obama’s plan, even though they did not pay income tax!
“Redistribution of Wealth is a good thing” as said by Barack Huseein (really Steve) Obama to Joe the plumber.
American,
Thank you!
I never knew that came from the Al Smith dinner. In fact, I was never before this week aware of the Al Smith dinner. I enjoyed the roasts from both McCain and Obama, but felt McCain did the very best! Obama followed and did OK, but McCain on that night was a very hard act to follow!
Again, thank you. I’m always reading, probably at least as well informed as the average American and I never knew that phrase was said in jest! Everyone should be told that.
Now, American, Obama didn’t use “spread the wealth around” as you are making it out to be! You’re taking it totally out of context!
In case you didn’t see the full conversation between Joe the questioner and Obama here it is on YouTube. Every word. Not just a tiny part that Fox News thought should be heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA
Newspaper endorsements don’t pull as much weight as they used to.
Subscribership is way down from where it used to be.
The newspaper industry has been laying off people alot lately, including the Eagle.
The New York Times days are numbered!
Weblog eds. I had a thought the other day, why not let registered weblog posters submit editorials under their registered nicknames.
Would certainly spice up the letter to the editor section!
Spread the Wealth, you wealthy Lords and Masters can’t take it with them anyway.
lindainks55,
McCain was hilarious! He literally brought the house down, even though it was filled with Democrats.
Not that there weren’t the intended soft hits included by both candidates against each other, and alot of complementary and very respectful comments by both
After Joe the Plumber fizzles out, will Mccain give us Bob the Builder?
He was exceptional! Is that the real McCain? Too bad he didn’t make a campaign of the real McCain.
“Phantom
Posted October 18, 2008 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
Spread the Wealth, you wealthy Lords and Masters can’t take it with them anyway.”
You can’t take it with you Phantom, that’s true, if you mean after someone dies, that is.
But a better way is by persoanally deciding to give so that others can be helped, and not by being taxed by the government.
Can anybody tell me how much Obama and Biden have given to Charity? Ever?
MH,
With all due respect you are not my sponsor and have no right to tell me how to work my program
I watched McCain on the campaign trial today and saw a sign of ____ the bricklayer and ____ the teacher. Can’t remember the names, but they were had signs and they were right behind the podium. Regular vocations, regular people..
American,
I’m an eeeeevil libural. And if there needs to be a record, if there needs to be an advantage, if there needs to be public recognition, I will find a way around all that when I give. Kinda ruins it for me.
I thought Bob the Builder was Obama’s.
You know “Yes we can!, yes we can!”
Phantom
Posted October 18, 2008 at 5:51 pm | Permalink
After Joe the Plumber fizzles out, will Mccain give us Bob the Builder?
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How bout Fred the Fraggle or Thomas T. Tankengine?
“lindainks55
Posted October 18, 2008 at 5:58 pm | Permalink
American,
I’m an eeeeevil libural. And if there needs to be a record, if there needs to be an advantage, if there needs to be public recognition, I will find a way around all that when I give. Kinda ruins it for me.”
I don’t mean that anybody should be showing how much they give publically, but that that is a much better way of helping someone, instead of being forced by taxation and giving with your heart.
Do you trust the government to do that? I don’t.
Social Security is one example.
lind
“Now, American, Obama didn’t use “spread the wealth around” as you are making it out to be! You’re taking it totally out of context!”
Just how do you take that out of context?
I beilve that Fox News is much more credible than any news source out there.
youtube is highly suspect.
believe. typo. nub fingers!
Okay, I’ll cut some slack on Shrub. Turns out it was at the Al Smith dinner. My bad.
I had remembered it as a statement before a fundraiser in Texas. I misremembered.
And I really liked this year’s speeches from both candidates at the Smith dinner.
You got a glimpse of what might be the real — or, at least, the old — McCain. Far from the grumpy Fred Mertz look-alike his campaign has turned him into.
Which John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) would govern, if elected?
The one who’s sold his soul to the Rovian devils and has lowered himself to “Franklin’s” level of lies, distortions, and fantasies?
Or a one-term, last-chance to redeem himself president who’d revert to “maverick” mode and stab Republic Party congress-critters in the back?
His lobbyist-laden campaign staff would probably leverage his dotage and force him to be the protector of George WMD Bush’s Reign of Error. A hundred years in Iraq, cuts in Medicare and Medicaid, added taxes on your private health insurance premiums, Leave No Billionaire Behind tax policy….
And now, to borrow a common CON debate tactic from the CONs, “Prove to me Barack Obama was NOT born on Krypton!”
Can we build it?
Yes we can!
Income tax rebates to those who don’t pay income taxes?
Yes we can!
Get out the vote even though you are being dishonest about it?
Yes we can!
Pay Project Vote $800,000 for voter canvassing?
Yes we can!
150 billion dollars of new spending per year even though we are in the throws of a recession?
Yes we can!
Wealth redistribution (Socialism)is a good thing?
Yes we can!
Monkey”boy”
You seem to forget all of the times McCain was a burn under Bushes saddle. McCain will be nothing like Bush.
Better or worse I can’t say, but nothing like Bush.
“Freebird1971″ chastises me –
MH,
With all due respect you are not my sponsor and have no right to tell me how to work my program
True. And I was probably out of line.
You know how the guys downstairs get tokens to mark 30 and 60 and 90 days’ sobriety? And get “birthdays” every year?
Ever wonder why we Friends of Lois don’t have those milestones? It’s because none of us ever made it to 30 days.
If your Sponsor thinks it’s cool to get all het up over a political blog, groovy.
But I have my own program I should be tending to. So I apologize.
I pay my fair share of taxes and don’t complain. The higher my tax bill the better I’ve done in earnings. I’ve come a long ways.
In the late 70’s I was a single mom of four and I paid my child care provider in cash as she requested. In the early 80’s I was audited. I made just over $9,000 that year, I didn’t get child support and I was way too busy to find out the ways you could get help. It was me and my four kids. I’m not stupid, but I’m not able to work two and three jobs, raise four children and keep up with much of anything else. I just kept on keepin’ on and did what I had to do.
So the audit wanted me to prove three things:
I was head of household
I was entitled to medical expenses claimed
I was entitled to child care expenses claimed
I went to the childcare provider and asked her to verify the amount I paid and claimed. She laughed and said something like, “Why do you think I wanted cash?”
So I paid the government a monthly payment since that deduction wasn’t allowed and I owed.
I’ve done my part. Today, I help where I can. Nobody should ever be where I was. I was a victim of my own stupidity, my own being too busy, and my own government.
Let’s see, is it because he can’t jump higher than the Empire State building or because he can’t fly faster than a bullet?
I’ll have to think about that for a while and get back with you.
Mccain has no problem stealing lines or slogans from Obamanator!
“I beilve that Fox News is much more credible than any news source out there.
youtube is highly suspect.” — American
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Well, that tells me everything. I prefer hearing the words myself — ALL of them. I guess since you trust Fox News to know what portion of the words you need to hear, you won’t need to hear all of them because Fox News can tell you what to think.
“Heckler” contributes –
Monkey”boy”
You seem to forget all of the times McCain was a burn under Bushes saddle. McCain will be nothing like Bush.
Well, for starters, I doubt if McCoot is as stupid as Shrub. So I’ll grant you that.
And there’s no way his Vice-President would be smarter than he.
But you have to admit that the 2000 McCain version wouldn’t vote for the 2008 McCain. And you’ve gotta wonder about the man’s moral compass.
Oh, wait. You already have –
Better or worse I can’t say, but nothing like Bush
If it’s worse, god help us all.
lindainks55,
Sounded like tough times. I have several people in my life who have had similar times, and they made it through the better for it.
“American” claims –
“…he can’t jump higher than the Empire State building…he can’t fly faster than a bullet”
Just because he hasn’t doesn’t mean he can’t!
(I should work for Karl Rove.)
;^)
I did make it through and came out better. My children too! We know what is important.
American — Pay very close attention… it is of utmost importance that you pay very close attention….
IF YOU DONT PAY ANY INCOME TAX NOW, THEN YOU DONT GET A TAX CUT LATER… CAN YOU POSSIBLY COMPREHEND THAT???
I am sure you can, because you are just trying to shill something that is as obvious as the boobs on Dolly Parton…. You just want to make it into a negative???
How moronish!!!
‘Obama hits back at McCain over taxes’
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/18/obama-hits-back-at-mccain-over-taxes/
” ‘John McCain is so out of touch with the struggles you are facing that he must be the first politician in history to call a tax cut for working people ‘welfare,’” Obama told a massive crowd under the infamous St. Louis arch.
“The only ‘welfare’ in this campaign is John McCain’s plan to give another $200 billion in tax cuts to the wealthiest corporations in America.”
John McCain asserts Obama’s tax plan is tantamount to welfare because he says it would give tax cuts to those who do not pay federal income tax.
“It only goes to people who work and who are already getting taxed on their paycheck. Let me repeat this I’m NOT giving tax cuts to folks who DON’T work, I’m giving tax cuts to people who DO work.” Obama said.
MH,
No problem at all.
Cosmos
Let me help you out. He’s probably talking about increases in the Earned Income Tax Credit. aka working welfare. An increase in EITC is the “same” as a tax cut. BS!!
It’s an Open Thread so I’ll ramble a bit –
Scroll over if you’re so inclined.
But “Freebird1971″ —
I have some stories.
Back when I became part of your fellowship, in the 1980s, my SO’s home group was Metro. There were a lot of crusty old-timers there at the time. I’ve been away from Wichita for a while and have lost track, but back in the day…
Okay, there were old hats who’d been there since the 50s and it was so anonymous no one in the neighborhood had any idea why all these guys showed up in the evening for an hour or so. “They must be Communists!” was their reaction. “It’s a secret cell meeting and Joe McCarthy is right!”
Nope. They were Friends of Bill and they drank coffee and smoked cigarettes and didn’t have a lot of hope for newcomers. But they always had love. And it was tough love. The toughest.
Because I was trying to support my SO’s recovery, I agreed to go to the upstairs meeting “…until they ask me to bring a casserole.”
Turns out Al-Anon is not the Ladies’ Axillary of AA. Turns out they were just as hard-ass on us as the Hat’s were with drunks downstairs.
Turns out they never asked me to bring a casserole but they kept telling me to “Come back. It works.” If you work it.
Godspeed with your personal journey via this fellowship.
Chas,
For the longest time I have been giving you the benifit of the doubt when it comes to whether or not you are a minister. Frankly I could give a fliying f##k one way or the other. However my personal observation is that if you are a minister(which I doubt) you are the poorest example of one I have seen in my entire life.I know you come back with an all caps rant ,don’t care briing it faux preacher
Democrat party members. Keep this in mind.
“Reviewing the polls printed in The New York Times and The Washington Post in the last month of every presidential election since 1976, I found the polls were never wrong in a friendly way to Republicans. When the polls were wrong, which was often, they overestimated support for the Democrat, usually by about 6 to 10 points.”
“Heckler” –
Although the EITC gets a lot of flak every election season from demagogues, it’s generally accepted by most CONs and liberals as a way to address the fact that all people in America pay taxes.
Try not paying the sales tax. Try not paying the gasoline tax. Try not paying the “Entertainment Tax” if you take in a movie. (Have you ever read your ticket stub?)
The sorry sad truth of the matter is the personal income tax is an efficient way to collect funds for government. Of course it’s not popular. No tax is popular and all forms of government do their damnedest to hide those taxes from you.
Hey, the check-out stands at Walmart aren’t popular, either. I’d prefer to pick up my stuff and haul it out to the parking lot, but the damned Walmart people demand I stop and pay ‘em for the stuff I want.
That’s how taxes work. I don’t like paying for other people’s kids’ education. I don’t like paying for the fire department that responds to someone else’s house fire. There’s probably a million miles of paved roads in Kansas I’ve contributed to and will never drive on, but I get pissed off when pot holes show up on my street and I expect action because, “I PAID for those streets.
I was reading an on-line history today about “The Bloody Benders,” the people in Cherryvale, Kansas who ran an inn along the Osage Trail in the 1870s who routinely murdered their guests for the money and livestock prospective homesteaders brought with them to start a new life in the west.
As interesting as the obviously lurid crimes was what proceeded it. As homesteaders, the Benders had to build a cabin, dig a couple of wells, cut down saplings to construct a paddock for visiting horses, etc….
And about the time someone noticed that just about everyone who checked into the Benders’ inn “checked out” in the most extreme way, the family split and was never brought to justice.
We pay taxes because that’s the admission fee to civilization. Nobody likes ‘em. We all would like to pay less. But most people realize taxes are necessary, so we expect that tax money to be spent prudently and efficiently.
No-bid contracts to Halliburton don’t sync with my concept of prudence. Ten Billion Dollars a month in Iraq, borrowed from the “Chi-Coms” strike me as not quite rational.
A food stamp that helps even an “irresponsible” mother get a box of Mac & Cheese for her 7-year-old doesn’t really bother me all that much.
But that’s what CONs are really bitching about when they rail about “welfare.”
If you’re all so fired up against your taxes, go out somewhere and build a cabin and dig a couple of wells and cut down saplings to construct a corral and figure out a way to make a living.
The Benders did.
And there weren’t enough cops to catch ‘em.
It’s an option.
Heckler posted October 18, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Cosmos
Let me help you out. He’s probably talking about increases in the Earned Income Tax Credit. aka working welfare. An increase in EITC is the “same” as a tax cut. BS!!
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“Probably”? Prove it.
McCain is probably lying, just like the ‘Joe the plumber(sic)’ lies.
Obama wants to build the economy from the bottom up. He wants to roll back the tax cuts on amounts over $250,000 (family) and lower the tax rates on amounts less than that.
Watch the entire video that Linda posted upthread.
Obama Explains His Tax Cut Plans To Plumbing Business Owner[sic]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA
And remember that:
* the business that Joe wants buy earns earns well below $250,000.
* despite being a “plumber” for 15 years, Joe still hasn’t even completed his apprenticeship.
Every Alaskan gets $3,200 this year.
‘Windfall tax lets Alaska rake in billions from Big Oil‘
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html
“Palin’s administration last week gained legislative approval for a special $1,200 payment to every Alaskan to help cope with gas prices, which are among the highest in the country.
That check will come on top of the annual dividend of about $2,000 that each resident could receive this year from an oil-wealth savings account.”
Cosmos
Obama says he wants to cut taxes for 95% of taxpayers. He needs to clarify what he’s talking about. Income tax? Soc. Sec. tax, Medicar/Medicade.
What is he talking about? Obviously he’s talking about something besides income tax because half the people in this country don’t pay any, and many get back EITC.
WTF is he taling about?
taling sb talking
“mxyzptlk
Posted October 18, 2008 at 8:17 am | Permalink
John McCain Supports UNREPENTANT EXTREMIST G. Gordon Liddy
chicagotribune.com — McCain: fundraiser at Liddy’s house, $5000 in campaign contributions ($1000 this year), greeted as ‘old friend’ and says he’s proud of Liddy on his radio show. Liddy 1972: Watergate break-in, proposal to kidnap activists, planning the murder of a newspaper columnist; 1995: tells listeners to kill federal agents. Liddy: No regrets. McCain: no reply.”
I do believe that G. Gordon Liddy did serve time in prison and has paid his debt to society.
Has William Ayers?
Did G. Gordon Liddy bomb government buildings? and state that he wished he had done more?
No comparison!
What is so difficult to understand about the word “taxpayers?” Why bring others into the conversation, when taxpayers is who we’re talking aobut?
linda
What is a “taxpayer”?
Which of Liddy’s “principles and philosophies” was McCain referring to? Liddy’s advocacy of break-ins? Firebombings? Assassinations? Kidnappings? Taking target practice with figures nicknamed Bill and Hillary?
During the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention.
Re: Liddy’s “continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great:” Did McCain mean to include Liddy’s instructions to listeners of his radio show in 1994 (around the time Ayres and Obama were on a board together discussing education programs and other plots) on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents (aim for the head)?
If ATF agents attempt to curtail a citizen’s gun ownership, Liddy counseled, “Well, if the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests.”
More recently, Liddy explained making the Clintons objects of shooting practice: “I did relate that on the 4th of July of last year, when I and my family and some friends were out firing away at a properly-constructed rifle range and we ran out of targets, and so we – I drew some stick figure targets and I thought we ought to give them names. So I named them Bill and Hillary, thought it might improve my aim. It didn’t. My aim is good anyway. Now, having said that, I accept no responsibility for somebody shooting up the White House.”
more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/ayers-and-the-mccain-g-go_b_134256.html
“What is a “taxpayer”?”
A person who pays taxes. And with respect to Obama’s tax plan we are talking about income tax.
linda
“And with respect to Obama’s tax plan we are talking about income tax.”
49 percent of Americans pay no income tax. So how do you cut taxes for 95% of tax payers? Does that count the ones who get EITC? Does that mean that they get MORE of my money?
49 percent of Americans pay no income tax.
Really? I didn’t realize there were that many 12-year-olds in America.
From the looks of it, they must post here.
You don’t pay taxes they are taken from you whether you want to pay or not
Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history — and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did, insisting that he went to jail as “a prisoner of war.”
All this may sound like ancient history. But it’s from the same era as the bombings Ayers helped carry out as a member of the Weather Underground. And Liddy’s penchant for extreme solutions has not abated
more at:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column
Can anyone link me to Obama’s tax plan? If you can I’ll bet I can prove exactly what I’m talking about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy
lina
If Terry Nichols were a Left wing radical like Ayers would you be so dismissive of what he had done?
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf
Rage
You post like a 12 year old. Get the facts.
I’m computer challenged and don’t know how to link the details, but go to this link, scroll to the blue words, “Full Obama Tax Plan,” and you will get a pdf fat sheet with ALL the details. Perhaps you can find the loophole you so want.
Ooops, the link. More challenged than even I thought!
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/
Dear John,
As long as the Wall Street guy who pocketed half a billion dollars right before his firm went bust gets a tax cut, I’ll be happy. I may be a Wall Street tycoon someday.
Hey, your argument, you do your own research. It took 10 seconds for me to come up with that.
It’s called “Google.”
If you really want so badly to find the loophole you want to find, there is where you’ll find it! Or, you can continue saying there is such a loophole without proof. Kinda like McCain telling millions of people on national television at the final presidential debate all about Joe the plumber from Ohio. That wasn’t true either.
McCain should do a 5-minute one-on-one video with Joe, explaining why his (McCain’s) plan would be better than Obama’s, for the well under $250,000 business that Joe wants to buy.
That’d be LOL funny to watch!
Obama Explains His Tax Cut Plans To Plumbing Business Owner[sic]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA
P.S. The factsheet has footnotes, dork.
William Ayers never killed anyone. If you want to criticize a radical group of 40 years ago, at least know something about them. I mean like know the facts, not these lies I am hearing lately.
I KNOW those times. I lived them.
I’ve looked (far and wide!) and have never found anywhere a McCain tax plan is detailed. NO PLACE is there as much info as Obama gave Joe when he asked a question on the campaign trail. Obama treated Joe with complete respect, gave him as much time as it took to answer his question. McCain can’t do that for a single American in any way, in any place!
I looked at Rage’s link. That’s not a tax plan, that’s a policy statement. A political snow job.
Show me the tax code that goes with it. Show me the deductions and calculations. Those are pretty words put forth to get votes. BS
Oh, and by the way, it includes an expansion of the EITC.
DavidB
Terry Nichols never killed anyone either.
Follow the footnotes. Geez, do I have to teach you how to read now?
I copied the footnotes at the bottom of six full pages of facts about obama’s tax plan, pasted them here, and got “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” Too many links, too many numbers, too many facts. But they’re there and if you are so hellbent of finding the loophole you want so badly it’s all there.
Heckler posted October 18, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Oh, and by the way, it includes an expansion of the EITC.
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Heckler, let me help you. McCain’s policy “probably” also “includes an expansion of the EITC”.
If you can find details of McCain’s policy. LOL!
Here’s some that dangerous, subversive, un-American propaganda from William Ayers and some fellow traveler. Rest assured, there’s more where this came from:
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CITY KIDS, CITY DREAMS
By William Ayers and Patricia Ford
“What is it,” we asked a huge gathering of urban school administrators, “about the presence of large numbers of poor, African-American, or Latino city kids in your schools that makes those places …,” we paused dramatically, “wonderful?”
There was stunned silence. Several looks of disbelief. Some nervous laughter. And then a forceful response: “Come on,” said one older man, his voice ringing, almost angry. “Our jobs are hard enough without you ridiculing us.”
The opening question was not meant to ridicule but to examine a glib fiction about city kids. It is true that the last word “wonderful” sounds a decidedly discordant note. Until then the question hums along quite comfortably, a familiar melody. But when the anticipated last bar — something like “terrible,” or “difficult,” or “challenging” — is not delivered, the whole thing sounds out of tune.
It is within that jarring discrepancy that we want to begin to think about city kids and city teachers.
An insidious assumption sits heavy and dogmatic on most city schools: that there is nothing about the presence of African-American, Latino, or immigrant youngsters — especially, in today’s environment, Black boys — that is deemed valuable, hopeful, or important. Their very presence in school is seen as an encumbrance. They are an obstruction, a handicap, and a burden. If these youngsters are known at all, they are known exclusively by their deficits and their putative inadequacies.
Schools tend to focus on the least interesting and simplest of questions: What don’t these kids know? What can’t they do? School becomes, then, entirely a matter of remediation and repair. Good intentions notwithstanding, feelings of hopelessness and despair define these places for kids and teachers alike.
We were asked recently to look at hundreds of applications filled out by city teachers who had been nominated for an “outstanding teacher” award. One question asked, “What is the biggest obstacle in your teaching?” To our amazement, nearly half of the respondents answered in one way or another that the kids were the biggest obstacle.
Not everyone just blurted it out. Many said things like, “I used to be a better teacher, but kids today have so many problems.” Some wrote, “If these kids could only speak English. …” It added up to a powerful message: that schools and classrooms would function much better if the kids would simply not show up.
Picture the Perfect School
Picture the perfect city school: the classrooms are always quiet, the cafeteria calm, the hallways orderly. No fights, no hassles, no graffiti. Bells ring, mimeo machines hum, paychecks are delivered. The place is efficient, clean, peaceful. No kids? No problem. In this context, even to raise the question of the value of city kids is to sound slightly mad.
Most city teachers struggle mightily to do a good job despite inadequate resources and difficult circumstances. But the structure of most city schools — the strict schedule, the division of knowledge, the press of time, the pretense toward rational efficiency, and the huge numbers of students — leads to a factory-like operation characterized by hierarchy, control, and anonymity. This structure, in turn, transforms teachers into clerks and students into objects to fear and coerce.
We do not contend that teaching in the city is identical to teaching in wealthy suburbs or rural areas. It is better in some ways, harder in others, interestingly similar yet importantly unique.
Most powerful, hopeful learning begins with the learners. Knowing city kids as learners, discovering them as three-dimensional beings, as fellow creatures, is an important place for teachers to begin. What experiences, knowledge, and skills do kids bring with them to school? What kinds of thought and intelligence are there to challenge and nurture? A sustained engagement with these questions is a basic starting point for city teachers. It is followed closely by the demand to create an environment for learning that is wide enough and deep enough to nurture and challenge the huge range of students who walk through the classroom door.
We reject the notion that city kids (or city teachers or the city itself, for that matter) can best be understood as all deficit, all danger. We see, instead, a sense of life, energy, freedom, and hope in the city and in poor, immigrant, and African-American communities.
This country faces an unmapped future whose core demand will be learning to live together, united yet diverse. It is a future being rehearsed in our schools and in our cities today. We need to embrace the energy and the freedom that is the signature of our cities and the hope of our city kids. Only in that way can helping our students create the future.
The above is an adapted excerpt from City Kids, City Teachers, edited by William Ayers and Patricia Ford (New York: New Press, 1996).
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http://web.archive.org/web/20010708074346/www.rethinkingschools.org/Archives/11_01/AyrFrdtx.htm
For you Heckler:
August 1-3, 2008 — With McCain campaign firing off anti-Obama videos, there is one video McCain doesn’t want anyone to see
The John McCain campaign is releasing a series of anti-Barack Obama videos. However, there is one video that Johnny “Wet Start” McCain, as he was known after the disastrous USS Forrestal fire in 1967, does not want America to see.
From WMR, November 20, 2007: WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lieut. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.
WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neocons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-to-ground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.”
In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration.
“Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots. McCain was quickly transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). After the disaster, McCain was shot down over North Vietnam on October 26, 1967.
McCain was confronted by Forrestal fire survivors with his role in starting the Forrestal fire during his 2000 presidential campaign, particularly in South Carolina. McCain was visibly shaken by the encounter with the survivors, according to some who contacted WMR. WMR is pleased to present the video that causes McCain to turn whiter than his usual wan complexion. Watch the following video and McCain’s reaction to any mention of the Forrestal is understandable.
Here is the video on YouTube.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/4
The Weather Underground did not kill anyone either. They were destroying government property, not people.
I know you have been told differently, but some people will believe anything.
And you have read the article Ayers prosecutor wrote about Professor Ayers, didn’t you?
Apparently a lot of lives WERE lost by the hand of McCain. Ayers, not so much.
You got a glimpse of what might be the real — or, at least, the old — McCain. Far from the grumpy Fred Mertz look-alike his campaign has turned him into
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MH, wonder how many people here know who Fred Mertz was?
I heard Bachmann on Hardball. I just donated a few dollars to her opponent’s campaign. Bachmann is seriously mentally ill and is a rising star in the Republican party.
I urge you to kick in a few bucks after watching her clip below…
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/18660
After she was on the air, her opponent Tinklenberg picked up a half million in donations after this mad women called for a witch hunt for “Anti-American”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESdA52S4Dbg&eurl=http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/is-bachmann-trying-to-lose/
I’m old enough to have watched the I Love Lucy show before it was in reruns. ;-)
Bachman is a true fascist and more like her are being groomed by the RNC. That is why the RNC must be stopped in its tracks NOW.
CITY KIDS, CITY DREAMS By William Ayers and Patricia Ford
What a wonderful and hopeful essay.
“This country faces an unmapped future whose core demand will be learning to live together, united yet diverse.”
How subversive! Imagine a united yet diverse America! SHAME ON YOU BILL AYERS! whahaaaaa!!!!!
No wonder he is so well respected in cutting edge educational reform. He’s a MAVERICK!
Bachmann also made the insane claim earlier this year, that drilling in the Arctic Refuge would cause gasoline prices to drop from $4 to $2 a gallon.
lindainks55
Posted October 18, 2008 at 8:54 pm | Permalink
I’m old enough to have watched the I Love Lucy show before it was in reruns. ;-)
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Me too. Damn we are getting old!
Live so that when your children think of fairness, caring and integrity, they think of you. — Author Unknown
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Election 2008
A Race to Keep Young Voters Engaged
“I feel like in 2006 people were motivated, but I don’t think there was the sense of urgency there is this time,” he said citing energy, the financial crisis and the dismal job market graduates face.
Caroline Saxe, 25, a volunteer, said the motivation this election is Mr. Obama. “We don’t have a lot to look forward to, and I think Obama makes it look hopeful.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/nyregion/connecticut/19voterct.html?ref=politics
I had a birthday this last week and muddled round in a puddle of pity for awhile. Now, I’m fine! (giggle) Next year, in a few days under a year the gubmit pays me to be a bum! ;-)
That ought to be enough to drive Heckler through the roof… Trust me, I worked long and hard.
Sen. McCain is running his 2008 campaign about the same way as he ran his 2000 primary.
THEY STILL SAY THEY MET THE MOST WONDERFUL MAN! The New York Times keeps telling the tale about the once-great Saint McCain:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100808.shtml
“But at the same time, the greatest man in the world was doing these things himself:
* He was baldly misstating Bush’s budget proposal.
* He was running negatives ads which so offended Republican voters that he had to take them down—dramatically, of course.
* He was boiling over with obvious anger in the South Carolina debate—moderated by Larry King.
* He was lying about his actual views concerning the confederate flag. (Or so he later said.)
* He was paying large sums to two race men—presumably, to build his in-state conservative bona fides.
* He was making a series of bogus claims about negative flyers his campaign was distributing, in contravention of previous pledges.
* He was running anonymous phone calls in Michigan, painting Bush as anti-Catholic.
* He was lying, right in the face of the press, when asked if he was running those phone calls. (His campaign finally fessed up — the morning after the Michigan primary.)
* He was parading about, repeatedly saying he was going to “beat Al Gore like a drum” — even as the press corps praised him for his wonderfully uplifting politics.
* He was repeatedly telling a story about Gore and the Buddhist temple that was baldly inaccurate.”
Wake Up, America
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 4:20 PM PT
A nation that doesn’t know history is destined to repeat its serious mistakes. People swayed by carefully crafted political propaganda relentlessly repeated and effectively delivered can easily lose their freedom and way of life.
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IBD Series: After The Rescue: Challenges Ahead
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How many times have you been told by soaring, almost hypnotic oratory that “the direct causes of our financial crisis and subprime real estate loan mess were the greedy banks, big corporations and the failed economic policies of George Bush”?
It’s common to blame the one in power. This time, however, it’s 100% wrong.
Every American, young or old, must be told who was really behind the subprime loan disaster that threw our economy off track and injured the good people who lost their homes — like those now boarded up in Cleveland and other major cities — plus the millions of other citizens hurt by yet another failed Big Government-run program gone awry.
In 1977, Jimmy Carter and a Democrat Congress created the Community Reinvestment Act mandating that banks make more housing loans to lower-income and inner-city borrowers. It was for a well-intended social cause and even appeared to work in the 1980s.
But in 1995, President Clinton imposed even tougher regulations that forced banks to make dramatically more subprime loans to previously unqualified people with lower credit scores in higher-risk areas.
Government regulators rated banks by how well they performed in meeting these strict new CRA obligations. Failure to comply meant stiff penalties and limits on mergers, acquisitions and expansion.
Big Government forced the lowering of long-proven safe-lending standards. Most of the more than $1 trillion of new subprime CRA loans had adjustable rates. Many required no documentation of the borrower’s income and little or no down payment.
For the first time, the Clinton regulatory rules allowed and encouraged lenders to bundle the new, riskier subprime loans with prime loans and sell these packages to other institutions. The first one hit the market in 1997. That tragic blunder let loan originators make their profits faster and eliminate any future risk for those lower-quality loans. It let them turn around and make even more CRA-type loans and sell them off in packages again, with little future risk.
It was a government-sponsored pyramid scheme, with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac providing the implied government backing by buying ever larger amounts of these risky subprimes.
Freddie and Fannie also became heavy donors to top members of Congress. These included Sen. Chris Dodd, a young Sen. Barack Obama and Rep. Barney Frank, who aggressively defended the highly leveraged, extremely risky lending against any reforms.
Ironically, the Bush administration repeatedly went to Congress in 2004, 2005 and 2006 to obtain stronger oversight and some limits on Freddie and Fannie’s reckless subprime lending. And each time, it was voted down by Democrats in Congress, led by Frank, now chairman of the Financial Services Committee.
Bottom line: This whole mess was another Big Government program created, designed and run by Democrats. It started with great intentions but resulted in typically awful unintended consequences that materially hurt the very people they were supposed to help.
Worse, this incompetence put our financial system in jeopardy. It’s reminiscent of LBJ’s two lost wars — the War in Vietnam and the War on Poverty.
Many government housing projects, though well-intended as part of LBJ’s War on Poverty, later deteriorated into slums that became recruiting grounds to get very young new gang members.
That’s how we got into this financial mess — and why the $700 billion rescue package was passed. But what about the future? What serious threats does America face in the next five years? The list isn’t comforting:
• Iran’s Ahmadinejad and his mullah bosses, the leading terrorist country in the world that will have nukes, and want to wipe out Israel and have a world with no USA.
• Al-Qaida and other radical Islamic global terrorists that want to strike us again.
• Putin’s resurgent Russia, which desires to take back Georgia and Ukraine, plus give nuclear capabilities to Venezuela and re-arm Cuba and Nicaragua.
• Communist China’s increasing military capabilities.
• Foolish decisions that would result in weakening our ability to defend ourselves.
Let’s study the “History Repeats Itself” chart of our Nasdaq index from 1992 to October 2008 and how it has remarkably copied in parallel the Dow Jones industrials, pricewise, from the early 1920s up to the beginning of 1938. One reason for this is that while technology changes over time, human nature doesn’t.
Hope and fear, good and bad, and other basic drives are always with us. The market is human psychology on display, and history continually repeats itself.
If our Nasdaq market continues to replicate the 1938 to 1942 market, as it did the prior 16 years, what may be in store for us? What happened in 1938 and 1939 and the early 1930s leading up to ‘38? What vital lesson does knowing history tell us?
To begin with, Germany’s Nazi party in 1928 won only 810,000 votes nationally, elected only 12 to the Reichstag and was considered sort of a joke. But the 1929 crash started the Depression, with unemployment soaring and poverty hitting hard, even among the formerly prosperous middle class.
In 1930, the bad economy helped the Nazi party get 6.5 million votes nationally and put 107 deputies in the Reichstag, becoming the second-largest party. By 1933, again due to a poor economy, Hitler became Germany’s chancellor. His storm troopers, Hitler Youth and Goebbels’ propaganda departments grew rapidly.
In 1935, Hitler announced a draft to build the national army to 500,000. An air force was already in place in violation of the Versailles Treaty. France and England protested but did nothing.
Hitler said he wanted peace and people believed him. But in 1936 he marched into the Rhineland. France did nothing; Hitler said he had no further territorial demands in Europe.
In 1937, he intimidated Austria and took it over. Only Britain’s Neville Chamberlain and France protested. Jewish people were sent to concentration camps or extermination centers. Now we’re up to the equivalent of 1938 on our Nasdaq chart — where we are today.
Hitler stirs up demonstrations in Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland, claiming ethnic Germans are being persecuted. Britain’s Neville Chamberlain visits Hitler in September 1938. Hitler wants Britain and France to let Germany take the part of Czechoslovakia with a German population.
Chamberlain gives in to Hitler’s demands; the Munich Agreement gives Hitler Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland. Chamberlain returns to London in triumph with a letter from Hitler declaring he thereafter would continue to work for peace.
Crowds cheered when Chamberlain said, “I believe it is peace for our time.”
In Parliament, one man rose to state his opposition: “We have sustained a total, unmitigated defeat.” But Winston Churchill was shouted down.
In 1939, Hitler gobbled the rest of Czechoslovakia. Czechs were killed or enslaved. In September 1939, 1.5 million German troops defeated 30 Polish divisions in 18 days, as Russia invaded the rest of Poland from the east. World War II had begun — and Germany rapidly took one country after another until finally Chamberlain was replaced by Churchill in early 1940.
Why dwell on all this history? Well, history tells us that showing weakness or appeasement by negotiating with tyrants is both gullible and dangerous.
When a young JFK after the Bay of Pigs failure met with Khrushchev, the Soviets immediately moved to build the Berlin Wall. It stayed in place for 28 years. Next, the Soviets installed nuclear missiles in Cuba, threatening to turn the Cold War into WWIII.
When a one-term governor from Plains, Ga., became president, he visited our strongest military ally in the Mideast and stopped selling our fighter aircraft to them. And why? Because Jimmy Carter didn’t like the Shah of Iran’s treatment of Soviet spies who had been undermining Iran.
Carter preferred the exiled Ayatollah Khomeini as a leader because he was religious. So we stood by as the Shah, an ally, was overthrown. Today, Iran is the world’s biggest sponsor of terror and is on track to have nukes in five years — all thanks to Carter’s naivete.
We’ll have to have an older, wiser, far more experienced president to deal with this dangerous threat. We can’t have another Carter or another Chamberlain. Incidentally, after Carter lost Iran in what amounted to total incompetence, he visited Leonid Brezhnev.
Brezhnev afterward promptly invaded Afghanistan and Carter said, “I can’t believe he lied to me.” While Carter was in office, the Soviets took over a number of countries, including Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia, Grenada, Mozambique, Ethiopia, South Yemen and Nicaragua.
The more Carter talked, the worse it got for the U.S.
Of our three youngest presidents since WWII, Kennedy, Carter and Clinton, Bill Clinton was 46 when sworn in. He was a great salesman and a smart, popular politician.
He had never been in the military and didn’t know much about it and was not successful in dealing with al-Qaida, who tested him only one month into office in February 1993, when terrorists trained in Afghanistan bombed the World Trade Center in New York.
That October, al-Qaida hurt us in Somalia when they shot down our Black Hawk helicopters; 73 Americans wounded, 18 killed.
Next, a joint Saudi-U.S. facility was bombed, then our Khobar Towers housing complex. July 1996, al-Qaida defectors tell us their direction; 1998, bin Laden declares “war on America”; 1998, they blew up our embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam; 200 killed, 5,000 injured.
In answer, we fired a couple of missiles into the vacant desert and an aspirin factory. October 2000, the USS Cole was bombed.
The 9/11 report showed that the Clinton administration had up to 10 chances to get bin Laden when they knew where he was, but failed to act.
In 12 different surveys by historians, the most recent in 2005 (and all available on the Internet), America’s presidents are ranked: Of the 43 presidents, Ronald Reagan ranked 6th; Harry Truman 7th; Dwight Eisenhower 7th; John Kennedy, 15th; Bill Clinton 22nd; Jimmy Carter, 34th.
Reagan was weeks from being 70 when inaugurated, Truman was 60, and Eisenhower 62; Kennedy was only 43, Clinton 46 and Carter 52. History shows that our very best, most productive, successful presidents were older.
Why? They had the most experience, maturity and sound judgment in defending America.
Harry Truman said our most handsome presidents that to the public looked presidential were Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce.
How did they do? Harding in the 2005 survey ranked 39th, while Pierce ranked 38th. Could they have been a little less tested?
So who do you think history tells us may be the most experienced person we can trust to be commander-in-chief and deal with Iranian terrorists with nukes; Putin’s resurgent Russia that backs Iran and wants to give nuclear capability to Venezuela, re-arm Cuba and Nicaragua; an al-Qaida that wants to strike America again; and, let’s not forget, up-and-coming China?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308186097284712
Linda,
I’m sure you have seen the shirt that says “Growing Old Is Mandatory, Growing Up Isn’t” that kind of sums up my philosphy,ever since I became a grandparent I feel younger than I have in years.
The Weather Underground, which Bill was an integral member of was investigated for a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, in which a pipe bomb filled with shrapnel detonated on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded in the explosion, and Robert Fogarty, another police officer, was severely wounded in his face and legs and was partially blinded
No big deal right??
One man killed and another blinded for life.
The Democraps do love their terrorists especially when it kills and blinds those ‘pigs’, the cops.
yeah…
Do you know the story about how G. Gordon Liddy maneuvered Nixon into saying he wished Liddy would murder newspaperman Jack Anderson. Liddy jumped up and rushed out to “carry out Nixon’s order” to assassinate Anderson.
A White House official asked him what the fuss was about and Liddy said he off to kill Jack Anderson on Nixon’s orders. When Liddy was more or less dragged back to Nixon’s to clarify things, he lectured Nixon to be careful what he ordered his staff to do.
And that’s a true story.
I musta missed a LOT of con whining.
Modem issues.
Can’t wait to see lil’ Sarah walk into the buzz saw tonight.
Regular, there is probably more proof that McCain killed people than there is that Ayers did.
If Ayers killed anyone he should be arrested. When will the Forrestal reports be made public for all to see?
DavidB,
Is that according to DavidB?
Can you proove it?
I think if Ayers killed anyone he should be arrested! In fact, I think if he broke any laws he should be arrested! Ge that Grand Jury convened!
If charged with crimes, he should be tried.
If found guilty, he should be punished!
Regular
Posted October 18, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink
The Weather Underground, which Bill was an integral member of was investigated for a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, in which a pipe bomb filled with shrapnel detonated on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded in the explosion, and Robert Fogarty, another police officer, was severely wounded in his face and legs and was partially blinded
No big deal right??
One man killed and another blinded for life.
The Democraps do love their terrorists especially when it kills and blinds those ‘pigs’, the cops.
yeah…
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If this is the same bombing I was reading about no one was indicted. Now I’m not saying I agree with the tactics,far from it but the whole story should be told not just the parts that fit the point you are trying to make
BTW some police officers took the acronym PIG to mean Pride Integrity Guts
The Weather Underground was probably not responsible for that bombing. Their method was to give advance notice so people were not hurt or killed.
The also claimed responsibility for their ill-considered tactics.
It was, after all, badly counter-productive for the movement.
You cannot pin every pipe bomb placed in 1970s the W.U. There were other violence-prone organizations at the time.
“An investigation into the case was reopened in 1999, and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed, and no one was ever arrested for the bombing.”
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
Since 1992, the NASDAC composite index of US stocks has paralleled the DOW industrial average from the 1920s through 1937. Will it copy 1938 to 1942?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/images/editimg/issues03100708.gif
Indeed.
It was a strained time of revolution and great ideas. No doubt there were forces of stasis and establishment that committed acts to frame more worthy movements.
William Ayers admitted to the bombings and wished he had done more.
He made similar comments on 9/11/01.
Every person suspected of committing crimes should be investigated and arrested if justified. There should be a trial and appropriate punishment if they’re found guilty.
I don’t think what one person does or doesn’t do reflects on another. I don’t think people of any political persuasion are more or less guilty than those of a differing persuasion.
From Wiki
Investigated for San Francisco police station bombing
Brian V. McDonnell, a sergeant with the San Franscisco Police Department who received fatal shrapnel wounds from a pipe bomb set off on February 16, 1970.The group was investigated for a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, in which a pipe bomb filled with shrapnel detonated on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded in the explosion, and Robert Fogarty, another police officer, was severely wounded in his face and legs and was partially blinded.[14] The Weathermen, along with the Black Panther Party were initially investigated for the murder, which was never solved. An investigation was reopened in 1999,[15] and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed.
BlueJay,
Can you tell what the “great ideas” were, if you can?
“Is that according to DavidB?”
Liddy himself tells the story!! HAHAHAHAH!
In 1980, Liddy published an autobiography… . In it he states that he once made plans with Hunt to kill journalist Jack Anderson, based on a literal interpretation of a Nixon White House statement “we need to get rid of this Anderson guy”.
– wikipedia
“Liddy has said that, as a child, he grew up in a German-American community that included many admirers of Adolf Hitler, and that listening to Hitler’s speeches “made me feel a strength inside I had never known before.”
“William Ayers admitted to the bombings and wished he had done more.
He made similar comments on 9/11/01.”
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Has the Grand Jury convened yet? Get on that!
“You cannot pin every pipe bomb placed in 1970s the W.U. There were other violence-prone organizations at the time.”
Quite possible that the Nixon administration was framing the WU with its own clandestine operations. In more recent times it was the Bush admin releasing anthrax to control Congress through fear. You can call me a tin hat wearer but these crooked cons like the mafia play for real and they play for keeps.
- wikipedia?
Ha HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Bad source!
Now then, we also need FULL DISCLOSURE about what exactly happened on the Forrestal. Was McCain responsible or not? A grand jury should be convened to look into it!
Personal admission is guilt without conviction.
“Can you tell what the “great ideas” were, if you can?”
Where to begin?
Women’s liberation and civil rights advanced. The military industrial complex came to be more fully known for the evil it was.
I was born in the middle sixties and so do not remember them well. But if America had a golden age of enlightenment, it was that decade.
And confession is often forgiveness for those not hard of heart.
And he further rubbed the law enforcements nose in it, knowing he got away with it.
Ayers clarified his remarks that he wished we did more to stop racism and the Vietnam war, not more bombings.
Your sources are lying to you. It is all in the interviews with Ayers that are readily available to those who really want to know.
But if they want to lie about Senator Obama, I guess they can make up anything at all they want to. You guys will swallow it hook line and sinker.
Confession does not equal asking for forgiveness or for suffering the consequences of your actions.
Besides, everyone knows Obama is 50% Egyptian and is going to make the White House into a pyramid…
American posted October 18, 2008 at 9:39 pm
William Ayers admitted to the bombings and wished he had done more.
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I’ll fix that for you.
William Ayers admitted to the bombings.
He also said that he wished he had done more [to stop the 'Nam war].
Like Fox News took the discussion between Joe and Obama out of context and gave only the words they wanted you to hear, and that’s all you needed because Fox News is the best and they tell you how to think. Isn’t that what you told me earlier, American?
So you’re perfectly satisfied with only the words (taken out of context) that help you hear what you want to believe.
It would be harder if you had to hear it all and then process it all, analyze it, come to an evaluation based on facts.
No need to hear ALL the words, Fox News will tell you what to think!
I thought he was 50% American Indian and the White House would look like a tepee! I am so disappointed it will look like a pyramid!
It is in Liddy’s flippin book! I heard HIM tell tell damn story in a TV interview!
Wikipedia is such a great source for real facts, I am sure the wingnuts distrust it. Better to rely on blogs that repeat what a blog repeated from a blog that copied a posting from a blog that had a copy of of a blog, than on what is essentially peer-reviewed open-source, self correcting information.
Yeah, a shocking idea…but shocking only to those so blind that they will not see.
An American heir, rebelliously acting out to the point of actually joining and then managing a youthfully org like Weatherman…and then backing away when a sufficient level of social self-awareness is achieved personally, and ACTUALLY DISPLAYING THE CAPABILITY OF CHANGING FUNDAMENTALLY ONE’S VIEWPOINT — a talent apparently both absent in and unappreciated by modern Republics — enough to become an educator.
Imagine the self-chastisement of one so formerly involved in such high-profile shenanigans pulling a 180 and devoting life to education. What traitors. /sarcasm off
Are the actions of Ayers and Dohrm since the actions of active terrorists, or repentants?
The answer, I think, can be found in a great Kay Ryan poem, “Turtle.”
Turtle
Kay Ryan
Who would be a turtle who could help it?
A barely mobile hard roll, a four-oared helmet,
She can ill afford the chances she must take
In rowing toward the grasses that she eats.
Her track is graceless, like dragging
A packing-case places, and almost any slope
Defeats her modest hopes. Even being practical,
She’s often stuck up to the axle on her way
To something edible. With everything optimal,
She skirts the ditch which would convert
Her shell into a serving dish. She lives
Below luck-level, never imagining some lottery
Will change her load of pottery to wings.
Her only levity is patience,
The sport of truly chastened things./
Ah, more progressive liberal radical extremist thinking!
How sad.
“cosmos_originally
Posted October 18, 2008 at 9:52 pm | Permalink
American posted October 18, 2008 at 9:39 pm
William Ayers admitted to the bombings and wished he had done more.
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I’ll fix that for you.
William Ayers admitted to the bombings.
He also said that he wished he had done more [to stop the 'Nam war].
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Maybe if he wanted to fight he should have joined the military!
Actually Obama is half black and Kenyan, raised partially as a muslim and a christian, and is half white.
Maybe you should have watched the Huckabee show on Fox tonight with Joe the Plumber and you could have heard it from him in person, eh?
So does this change anyone’s opinion of G. Gordon Liddy? The fact that he was willing to assassinate a newspaper writer? Or do ya still love him ’cause he’s one of yours?
Since someone seemed unwilling to believe the assassination story.. I just wonder…
It is so hard to have a discussion about real things when all these lies and fairy tales are bandied about .. but I guess that is the Republican strategy.
And Abby Hoffman threw money off the balcony on Wall Street and bombed the traders with cash. RIGHT ON!
DavidB,
Got a link?
And Dick Morris, Fox News commentator:
On August 29, 1996, Morris resigned from the Clinton campaign after reports surfaced that he had been involved with a prostitute. A tabloid newspaper had obtained and published a set of photographs of Morris and the woman on a Washington, D.C., hotel balcony. The Electronic Telegraph reported unverified claims that in order to impress the woman, Sherry Rowlands, Morris invited her to listen in on conversations with the President. The Telegraph also alleged that Morris had a preference for “toe-sucking and dominance,” and that he regaled Rowlands with a version of “Popeye the Sailor Man,” performed in his underpants.
I don’t claim to support G. Gordon Libby. I don’t listen to him.
But some of you right wing radicals must!
Bill O’Reilly:
Mackris claimed that O’Reilly had made sexually explicit phone calls, including a “vile and degrading monologue about sex.” O’Reilly denied engaging in any physical or sexual assault or “offensive touching.” According to newspaper reports, O’Reilly likely paid Mackris millions of dollars as part of a settlement, whereby both lawsuits were dismissed, but the terms of the out-of-court agreement are confidential. The lawsuit was dropped on October 28
Don’t you just love the way McCain and Palin keep LYING, after their claims have been proven wrong?
‘Out of Bounds: McCain distorts Joe’s story‘
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/54411.html
Throw the flag against: John McCain
Call: Unsportsmanlike conduct.
What happened: On Saturday, McCain praised “Joe the Plumber” in his radio address, saying “Joe Wurzelbacher is a straight-talking man himself” and recounting a conversation Wurzelbacher had last week with McCain’s rival, Barack Obama. “Joe explained that he works for a small plumbing and heating company,” McCain said. “He’s been thinking about maybe taking over the business when his boss retires. Problem is, that would make Joe one of millions of small business owners who face a sudden increase in taxes under my opponent’s tax plan.”
Why that’s wrong: Much of the Wurzelbacher story has been shown to be incorrect. He’s not a licensed plumber in Ohio, according to state officials, and while his boss, Al Newell, is, Ohio law requires a plumber to register with the state and then seek a local license. Wurzelberger’s estimate that the business makes between $250,000 and $280,000 a year turned out also to be exaggerated. Media reports found that the business’ estimated total annual revenue was about $100,000. Even if its income reached above $250,000, Obama’s higher rate would only apply to amounts above that. Plus, Wurzelberger has said he has no precise plans to buy the company anytime soon.
Penalty: 15 yards for misrepresenting Joe’s story — and continuing to do so after it’s been shown to be different from how it was first portrayed.“
Rush Limbaugh:
On October 3, 2003 the National Enquirer reported that Limbaugh was being investigated for illegally obtaining the prescription drugs oxycodone and hydrocodone. Other news outlets quickly confirmed the investigation.[96] He admitted to listeners on his radio show on October 10 that he was addicted to prescription painkillers and stated that he would enter inpatient treatment for 30 days, immediately after the broadcast.
In June 2006, Limbaugh was detained by drug enforcement agents at Palm Beach International Airport shortly after cutting the deal on the painkiller charges in April. Customs officials confiscated Viagra from Limbaugh’s luggage as he was returning from the Dominican Republic. The prescription was not in Limbaugh’s name. Limbaugh joked on his radio show, “I had a great time in the Dominican Republic. Wish I could tell you about it.”
Point one: According to you, G. Gordon Liddy, didn’t committ the assasination, correct/
Point two: William Ayres admitted to the multiple bombings.
I win.
You loose.
The Wingnut Honor Role.
McCain was disgusted by smearing robocalls before he was in favor of them.
G Gordon Liddy is aconvicted felon and spent 4 yrs in prison. Ayers – free as a bird – no convictions.
American is a loser.
That’s right.
Change the topic.
No argument.
Maybe you should have watched the Huckabee show on FOX News, eh?
William Ayers is the loser and right along with those who support him.
He fully admitted his crimes, but because of a technicality, he was let off.
DavidB,
You are frothing at the mouth, like a a mad dog.
“I win.
You loose.”
American
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We have a wrench in the garage. I’ll go get it and tighten that up.
Fox news: slanting the day’s events for those who need help in becoming Republicans.
What a friggin joke, they’ll never corral the brightest of us. It’s as if division, never unity, is built in by Fox editors.
What a radical idea, radical if one truly believes in American exceptionalism, that is. Radical and claiming the mantle of “fair and balanced,” how un-American!
I said this before saying Obama is a terrorist because he associated with Ayers, is the same as saying that since I worked with Oswald I’m a presidential asasain also.
Barney Frank’s Bankrupt Ideas
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Financial Rescue: Democrats created the mortgage crisis by forcing banks to give loans to people who couldn’t afford them. Now Obama and Biden want bankruptcy judges to bail out the same deadbeat homeowners. And once again, Barney Frank is helping.
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It’s been said that history is a lie agreed upon. Democrats are trying to rewrite history by blaming the Bush administration for the current crisis and claiming that the rescue bill is necessary to save the economy from Republican mismanagement.
More blarney from Barney.
Last Thursday on Fox News, when Bill O’Reilly tried to suggest that both parties might share the blame, House Finance Committee Chairman Frank, in a not atypical meltdown, disowned any responsibility for his lack of oversight over the last two years and his complicity before that.
Frank also claimed: “The fact is, it was 1994 that we passed a bill to tell the Fed to stop the subprime lending. We tried to get them to do it.” In other words, those rascally Republicans did it all when they took control of Congress that November.
The legislation he spoke of was the Homeowners Equity Protection Act. It was supposed to empower the Federal Reserve to set the rules on mortgages. Problem was, the Clinton administration had its own ideas of what the rules should be.
The Community Reinvestment Act, first passed in 1977 under Jimmy Carter, was intended to increase minority homeownership. It grew out of charges that banks were “redlining” entire inner-city neighborhoods as bad credit risks. Banks now were forced to perform outreach to these areas.
In the ’70s and ’80s, banks could show that they were trying to do that by advertising in minority newspapers and having representatives sit on the boards of local groups. In other words, they were rated on the effort made and not on the results achieved. Creditworthiness still mattered.
In 1995, as Howard Husock pointed out eight years ago in City Journal, “the Clinton Treasury Department’s 1995 regulations made getting a satisfactory CRA rating much harder. The new regulations de-emphasized subjective assessment measures in favor of strictly numerical ones. Bank examiners would use federal home-loan data, broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race, to rate banks on performance.”
Creditworthiness and due diligence no longer mattered. As a 1999 New York Times editorial observed: “Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Bill Clinton administration to expand mortgage loans among low- and moderate-income people and felt pressure to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.”
On Frank’s and Clinton’s watch, the Community Reinvestment Act was changed to force the issuance of bad loans. Banks would be rated on the number of loans, not on their soundness. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were then encouraged to buy them up. It was all about affordable housing, even if the housing was unaffordable.
“From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,” Peter Wallison, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, said back in 1999. “If they fail, the government will have to step in and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.”
That prediction came true, but it didn’t have to.
On Sept. 11, 2003, the Bush administration proposed to Congress a new agency under the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie and Freddie. The new agency would have had the authority to set capital-reserve requirements, veto new lines of business and determine whether the two quasi-government lenders were adequately managing the risk of their ballooning portfolios.
When former Treasury Secretary John Snow pleaded for Frank to support Fannie and Freddie reform, Frank responded: “These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Democrats believe in affordable housing even if it’s at the expense of the vast majority who watch their credit, work hard and pay their mortgages on time. But for the deadbeats, particularly Democratic constituencies, they have ways to make affordable the housing you couldn’t afford. So first, they forced them into housing they couldn’t afford, and now they give them a financial mulligan.
In the vice presidential debate, Sen. Joe Biden said that “what we should be doing now — and Barack Obama and I support it — we should be allowing bankruptcy courts to be able to re-adjust not just the interest rate you’re paying on your mortgage to be able to stay in your home, but be able to adjust the principal that you owe, the principal you owe.”
To get this bill passed, Obama made a lot of phone calls — particularly to members of the Congressional Black Caucus, including caucus chief Rep. James Clyburn — assuring this would happen.
Those paying their mortgages on time don’t get that break.
Rep. Elijah Cummings said Obama told him that, if elected president, he would direct a Treasury Department official to work with homeowners in foreclosure to restructure their loans. Cummings said Obama also told him he’d seek changes in bankruptcy laws allowing judges to reduce what borrowers owe on their home loans.
Section 110 of the rescue legislation has the Orwellian title of “Assistance to Homeowners” — but only for the deadbeats.
It describes somebody called a “Federal property manager” who “holds, owns or controls mortgages, mortgage-backed securities, and other assets secured by residential real estate.”
Section 110 speaks of “modifications” that this manager can make to these mortgages including not only the reduction of interest rates but the reduction of loan principal.
Not only is Uncle Sam now the world’s largest landlord. He can also arbitrarily set the value of property and the amount owed on it at will, thus distorting the free market.
The vast majority of homeowners who pay their mortgages on time get the shaft. They’re the ones who’ll take up the others’ slack.
Why? And why is the Community Reinvestment Act still law?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308185654524278
“As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.
Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/l10ayers.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
American posted October 18, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Maybe you should have watched the Huckabee show on FOX News, eh?
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Why would anyone want to waste time watching ‘Joe the plumber’(sic)?
15 years working as a “plumber”, and he’s still at apprentice level?
He overstated what Newell plumbing earns. He doesn’t have his required plumbing license. He doesn’t have any solid plans for buying the business.
Obama Explains His Tax Cut Plans To Plumbing Business Owner[sic]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA
“Freebird1971
Posted October 18, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink
I said this before saying Obama is a terrorist because he associated with Ayers, is the same as saying that since I worked with Oswald I’m a presidential asasain also.”
Never said Obama was a terrorist.
He just has bad associations and friendships with the wrong people.
““I win.
You loose.”
American
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We have a wrench in the garage. I’ll go get it and tighten that up.”
(affecting Chris Matthews)
HA!
(affecting Keith Olberman)
Lindainks, todays’s best poster on the blog!
“cosmos_originally
Posted October 18, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink
American posted October 18, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Maybe you should have watched the Huckabee show on FOX News, eh?
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Why would anyone want to waste time watching ‘Joe the plumber’(sic)?”
Maybe you could learn something and be able to decide for yourself, instead of hearing the mainstream media’s promotion of Obama.
American
Posted October 18, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink
“Freebird1971
Posted October 18, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink
I said this before saying Obama is a terrorist because he associated with Ayers, is the same as saying that since I worked with Oswald I’m a presidential asasain also.”
Never said Obama was a terrorist.
He just has bad associations and friendships with the wrong people.
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Didn’t intend to direct that at you just to the people here who have offered that opinion.
Since I rarely listen to Olberman and/or Matthews, who were journalists, and get a one sided opinion, I wouldn’t have a clue.
I hear they were both demoted recently, however!
He He!
Lets just hope that none of BTK’s Childhood friends Neighbors or church members never run for anything
LOL!! The Republicans are using the word terrorist and Senator Obama in the same sentence as often as possible without actually breaking the English language.
On a semiotic level.. what does that tell you they are trying to say?
Thank GOD that the Obama campaign continues to take the high road and talk about the real issues. Otherwise I would be totally disenchantd with this whole election. At least i can be proud of the conduct of the man I support.
I have only pity for John McCain. One day he will wake up ashamed of himself.
I forgot to add: “Woof, woof.”
I have been working far too hard lately.
American posted October 18, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Why would anyone want to waste time watching ‘Joe the plumber’(sic)?”
Maybe you could learn something and be able to decide for yourself, instead of hearing the mainstream media’s promotion of Obama.
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Did ‘Joe the plumber’(sic) explain why he incorrectly claimed that the business, which he has no solid plans to buy, earns $250k to $280k?
Did Joe admit that his salary recently was only about $40k?
And I base my decision on what McCain and Obama say, AND what experts in related fields (economy, energy, etc) say about their ideas and policies.
Shelly Shannon shot George Tiller and is in the pokey for firebombing women’s health clinics.
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) attended a dinner to raise funds for her.
cosmos Posted October 18, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink
Why would anyone want to waste time watching ‘Joe the plumber’(sic)?
15 years working as a “plumber”, and he’s still at apprentice level?
He overstated what Newell plumbing earns. He doesn’t have his required plumbing license. He doesn’t have any solid plans for buying the business.
Obama Explains His Tax Cut Plans To Plumbing Business Owner[sic]
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I’m willing to bet that Joe the Plumber could kick your far left ass into the bleachers.
I wonder what undecided voters think about McCain and Palin continuing to LIE, after their claims have been proven wrong?
‘Out of Bounds: McCain distorts Joe’s story‘
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/54411.html
“Throw the flag against: John McCain
Call: Unsportsmanlike conduct.
Penalty: 15 yards for misrepresenting Joe’s story — and continuing to do so after it’s been shown to be different from how it was first portrayed.“
“Joe the plumber” may or may not be a plant.
Clearly, he has no intellect above that of a plant.
“BlueJay” –
Actually, “Joe the Plumber” has held more news conferences than the Moose-Dresser. And he seems to have a better grasp (albeit, loony) of the issues.
Freebird1971
Posted October 18, 2008 at 7:34 pm | Permalink
Chas,
For the longest time I have been giving you the benifit of the doubt when it comes to whether or not you are a minister. Frankly I could give a fliying f##k one way or the other. However my personal observation is that if you are a minister(which I doubt) you are the poorest example of one I have seen in my entire life.I know you come back with an all caps rant ,don’t care briing it faux preacher
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Well, it cuts both ways, dumb head…. I put that in CAPS because it seems you were not READING the right stuff….
Shoot, maybe you’re a FAKE DRUNK!! Who knows??
However, I KNOW what I am, and buddy, YOU ARE AS WRONG AS THE REST OF YOUR GOONS WHO DAILY CHALLENGE MY PROFESSION….
And if you have any REAL interest in working with “Bill” and his friends, then I should hope you would apologize for your LYING insinuations….
I believe thats in the FIFTH STEP!!!
Furthermore, if I want to use caps as a point of emphasis, WHAT THE SAM HILL BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS??? IDIOT!!
I’m willing to bet that Joe the Plumber could kick your far left ass into the bleachers
And that proves what? That “Joe the Plumber” is violent? Or that you have dreams of being violent?
‘Joe the plumber’(sic) discussed buying the business from the owner. . .
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wait for it. . .
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six years ago, during his job interview.
I wonder what people who vote for McCain because of ‘Joe the plumber’(sic) will think, if/when they learn about the many falsehoods from McCain, and ‘Joe’.
And WHY doesn’t McCain do a 5-minute video, explaining how his tax plain would help ‘Joe’?
So we can compare it to Obama’s explanation.
‘Obama Explains His Tax Cut Plans To Plumbing Business Owner[sic]‘
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA
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Predestined
Posted October 19, 2008 at 12:42 am | Permalink
I’m willing to bet that Joe the Plumber could kick your far left ass into the bleachers
And that proves what? That “Joe the Plumber” is violent? Or that you have dreams of being violent?
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Just that you’re a mindless idiot that follows the leftist judas goats that will eventually lead you to slaughter.
Predestined posted October 19, 2008 at 12:42 am
I’m willing to bet that Joe the Plumber could kick your far left ass into the bleachers
And that proves what? That “Joe the Plumber” is violent? Or that you have dreams of being violent?
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It seems to prove that “Kansas values”(sic) Regular has NO rational response to the obvious facts:
1) Obama’s policies would be BETTER for the plumbing business that employs ‘Joe the plumber’(sic), than McCain’s.
2) McCain is LYING about Obama’s policies, and the effects.
OK WINGNUTS — Pay very close attention… it is of utmost importance that you pay very close attention….
IF YOU DONT PAY ANY INCOME TAX NOW, THEN YOU DONT GET A TAX CUT LATER… CAN YOU POSSIBLY COMPREHEND THAT???
I am sure you can, because you are just trying to shill something that is as obvious as the boobs on Dolly Parton…. You just want to make it into a negative???
How moronish!!!
Joe the plumber PRESUMABLY has to work for a living.
And you “Regular?”
“Joe the plumber” is a suck up. He THINKS he can be rich someday fine. Me? That is not my aspiration OR experience. I don’t aspire as Joe does to live off someone else’s labor.
In what I do and how I live, I DO work to “spread the wealth around”.
American
Posted October 18, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink
Actually Obama is half black and Kenyan, raised partially as a muslim and a christian, and is half white.
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STILL LYING, EH??
“Kansas values”(sic), and Republican, Regular,
Thank you for the 2 additional examples of your “civil discussions” on the WE Blog.
“Just that you’re a mindless idiot that follows the leftist judas goats that will eventually lead you to slaughter.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/not-voting-as-a-principled-choice/#comment-449646
“I’m thinking ol’ Rod needs a hormone check. There’s definitely some shrinkage in the testes.“
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blesings on our great nation!!
so mote it be!!
Maybe it is because I was young and stupid.
I voted Reagan in 1984.
I never got this bit about using other people and their labor to make me money.
What is fundamentally wrong with this country is this talk about jobs. “Jobs” is working for someone else and making THEM money. What we NEED to be talking about is availing WORK to folks willing to work for themselves and WITH someone else as opposed to for someone else.
17th Street Closed for 3 Days
Beginning 8 a.m. on Monday, Oct. 20, 17th Street will be closed for three days from St. Francis to Mosley for adjustment of a railroad crossing. The work is part of the City’s downtown Central Railroad Corridor Project that includes new railroad bridges at First, Second, Central, Murdock, and 13th streets, plus improvements at Douglas Avenue Bridge.
Work on the $105 million Central Corridor began in April 2005 and will be completed in autumn 2009. The project improves downtown traffic flow and access to essential facilities such as the Via Christi Medical Center.
Make no mistake, I want to do for my country and my acts reflect that.
But…IF My country is not doing for me? IF I have to get some middle man rich in the process to get some love back for me?
Well, middle men have been my opponents all my life. Sorry, but I am not good at saying “yessir!” followed with “Please, can I have some more?”
But then I am an original conservative. I don’t make myself judge of how people live. I just
want to get by.