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Did anyone see that giant full moon rise up over the east-north-east horizon last night? Should look about as full tonight when it comes up slightly later than when the sun sinks in the west.
So be ready, standing tall, in your best full moon outfits.
OBAMA AND ACORN
At the recent Emmy Awards, historian Laura Linney averred that America’s Founders had been “community organizers” — like Barack Obama. Too bad they aren’t like that any more. Mr. Obama’s kind of organizers work at Acorn, the militant advocacy group that is turning up in reports about voter fraud across the country.
Acorn — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — has been around since 1970 and boasts 350,000 members. We’ve written about them for years, but Acorn is now getting more attention as John McCain’s campaign makes an issue of the fraud reports and Acorn’s ties to Mr. Obama. It’s about time someone exposed this shady outfit that uses government dollars to lobby for larger government.
Acorn uses various affiliated groups to agitate for “a living wage,” for “affordable housing,” for “tax justice” and union and environmental goals, as well as against school choice and welfare reform. It was a major contributor to the subprime meltdown by pushing lenders to make home loans on easy terms, conducting “strikes” against banks so they’d lower credit standards.
But the organization’s real genius is getting American taxpayers to foot the bill. According to a 2006 report from the Employment Policies Institute (EPI), Acorn has been on the federal take since 1977. For instance, Acorn’s American Institute for Social Justice claimed $240,000 in tax money between fiscal years 2002 and 2003. Its American Environmental Justice Project received 100% of its revenue from government grants in the same years. EPI estimates the Acorn Housing Corporation alone received some $16 million in federal dollars from 1997-2007. Only recently, Democrats tried and failed to stuff an “affordable housing” provision into the $700 billion bank rescue package that would have let politicians give even more to Acorn.
All this money gives Acorn the ability to pursue its other great hobby: electing liberals. Acorn is spending $16 million this year to register new Democrats and is already boasting it has put 1.3 million new voters on the rolls. The big question is how many of these registrations are real.
The Michigan Secretary of State told the press in September that Acorn had submitted “a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications.” Earlier this month, Nevada’s Democratic Secretary of State Ross Miller requested a raid on Acorn’s offices, following complaints of false names and fictional addresses (including the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys). Nevada’s Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said he saw rampant fraud in 2,000 to 3,000 applications Acorn submitted weekly.
Officials in Ohio are investigating voter fraud connected with Acorn, and Florida’s Seminole County is withholding Acorn registrations that appear fraudulent. New Mexico, North Carolina and Missouri are looking into hundreds of dubious Acorn registrations. Wisconsin is investigating Acorn employees for, according to an election official, “making people up or registering people that were still in prison.”
Then there’s Lake County, Indiana, which has already found more than 2,100 bogus applications among the 5,000 Acorn dumped right before the deadline. “All the signatures looked exactly the same,” said Ruthann Hoagland, of the county election board. Bridgeport, Connecticut estimates about 20% of Acorn’s registrations were faulty. As of July, the city of Houston had rejected or put on hold about 40% of the 27,000 registration cards submitted by Acorn.
That’s just this year. In 2004, four Acorn employees were indicted in Ohio for submitting false voter registrations. In 2005, two Colorado Acorn workers were found to have submitted false registrations. Four Acorn Missouri employees were indicted in 2006; five were found guilty in Washington state in 2007 for filling out registration forms with names from a phone book.
Which brings us to Mr. Obama, who got his start as a Chicago “community organizer” at Acorn’s side. In 1992 he led voter registration efforts as the director of Project Vote, which included Acorn. This past November, he lauded Acorn’s leaders for being “smack dab in the middle” of that effort. Mr. Obama also served as a lawyer for Acorn in 1995, in a case against Illinois to increase access to the polls.
During his tenure on the board of Chicago’s Woods Fund, that body funneled more than $200,000 to Acorn. More recently, the Obama campaign paid $832,000 to an Acorn affiliate. The campaign initially told the Federal Election Commission this money was for “staging, sound, lighting.” It later admitted the cash was to get out the vote.
The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn, claiming Mr. Obama never organized with it and has nothing to do with illegal voter registration. Yet it’s disingenuous to channel cash into an operation with a history of fraud and then claim you’re shocked to discover reports of fraud. As with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, Mr. Obama was happy to associate with Acorn when it suited his purposes. But now that he’s on the brink of the Presidency, he wants to disavow his ties.
The Justice Department needs to treat these fraud reports as something larger than a few local violators. The question is whether Acorn is systematically subverting U.S. election law — on the taxpayer’s dime.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122394051071230749.html
HLP’s own party repudiates him on manmade global warming so he picks up the nonissue of NUTS. Speaking of which…
Obama pays Chicago a visit
Parents on Chicago’s South Side are on edge after reports that a man dressed as a clown has tried to lure several children into his van.
The creepy clown, who has been spotted four times in the past week on the city’s West and South sides, wears a wig and full face paint and carries balloons when he approaches children, MyFOXChicago.com reported.
In each case, he tries to coax kids into his vehicle, described in most cases as a white, four-door van with broken rear windows and in another instance as a brown pickup truck.
Area schools are on alert and some have sent home letters to parents telling them to warn their children not to talk to strangers.
You’re a little desperate a little early today, aren’t you, “Regular.”
Wow, here’s an article, well written and short, that fairly explains the causes of our financial meltdown without placing blame in a partisan way.
The author does not point fingers at one party or another but explains how ‘WE’ have let our economic health get so sick.
Good reading:
It’s the Debt, Stupid
by Victor Davis Hanson
http://townhall.com/columnists/VictorDavisHanson/2008/10/16/its_the_debt,_stupid
“Who caused the American financial panic and the wild swings in our financial system — and what are we going to do about it in the long term after the markets settle down?…….
Obama kicked butt last night. It’s obvious that McCain’s dependance on emotionalism (ie. “Joe the plumber”), sarcasim, and twisting the facts is backfiring on him.
He must really think Americans are stupid. Sorry to disappoint you, John.
The Republicans are losing and Regular promotes a fairy tale of fear combined with an Obama smear.
Regular would do better to man the phones, put up signs, donate time, money and sweat equity in his party’s campaigns (as I have). Instead he sits on his butt blogging day and night and whining whining whining about how “life isn’t fair” like his sissy boy John McCain.
Is it any wonder real Americans are done with the Republican party?
The Republicans are losing and Regular promotes a fairy tale of fear combined with an Obama smear.
Regular would do better to man the phones, put up signs, donate time, money and sweat equity in his party’s campaigns (as I have). Instead he sits on his butt blogging day and night and whining whining whining about how “life isn’t fair” like his sissy boy John McCain.
Is it any wonder real Americans are done with the Republican party?
WASHINGTON – The Secret Service is looking into a second allegation that a participant at a Republican political rally shouted “kill him,” referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.
The Scranton Times-Tribune reported that someone in the crowd shouted “kill him” after the mention of Obama’s name during a rally Tuesday for GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin in Scranton, Pa.
Maybe it was Todd, Palin’s Toady.
mxyzputz
Posted October 16, 2008 at 7:27 am | Permalink
Maybe it was Todd, Palin’s Toady.
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More likely a Wallace demorat.
“Maybe it was Todd, Palin’s Toady.”
Is this promoting a fairy tale of fear combined with a Palin smear.
Oh wait, someone has already used those words.
washed up old terrorist…
hehehehehehe………
Are you CONs idiots in real life?
Or do you just play one on-line?
Monkeyspunk-
Posted October 16, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink
Are you CONs idiots in real life?
Or do you just play one on-line?
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No, actually in “real” life I’m a yugo drivin’, flag burnin’, gay, pregnant, food stamp gettin’, godless, muslim luvin’, single mom, that is currently an unemployed, tree huggin’, vegeterian, union member.
What could John McCain possibly have to offer ME?
nit.
Remember the breathless reporting by the MSM and that nitwit Olbermann about the shouts from the Palin rally crowd? Essentially characterizing it as Palin and McCain stirring up “hate”?
Remember that?
It turns out it was just made up.
I am so surprised.
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http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html
Secret Service says “Kill him” allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Oabama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him.”
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Mr. Hussein, how much of your energy plan do you expect to have implemented in your first four years…
“uh, errr..uh..my plan is uh…in 10 years..is realistic plan…uh”
Let me interpret this for you nit liberals.
Uh er…uh….none.
October 15
Secret Service says “Kill him” allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Oabama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him.”
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.
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Just another lie from the MSM. Obama even used this lie in the debate last night. I think he owes the Palin audience an apology and the nation an explanation.
Sorry Outlander I posted before reading all of the posts. Well maybe it needed to be said twice.
The MSM has truly died as a new source.
I thought McCain answered the questions like the professional he is. I thought Obama answered them like the ‘articulate, clean’ speaker that he is.
The choices are clear. If you want higher taxes and more big government choose Obama. If you want strong and steady leadership with less government spending and lower taxes vote McCain.
Simple enough for me.
I think it needs to be heard a third time.
October 15
Secret Service says “Kill him” allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Oabama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him.”
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.
Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”
“We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
Hackett said he did not hear the remark.
Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.
When contacted Wednesday afternoon, Singleton referred questions to Times-Tribune Metro Editor Jeff Sonderman. Sonderman said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”
Slavoski said the agents take such threats or comments seriously and immediately opened an investigation but after due diligence “as far as we’re concerned it’s closed unless someone comes forward.” He urged anyone with knowledge of the alleged incident to call him at 346-5781. “We’ll run at all leads,” he said.
Why is prevention of voter fraud important BEFORE an election? Just ask John Kerry:
90,000+ phantom voters
in 1 Ohio county
In November 2 election, 29 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, reported votes cast
IN EXCESS of the number of registered voters — at least 93,136 extra votes total.
And the numbers are right there on the official Cuyahoga County Board of Elections website:
Bay Village – 13,710 registered voters / 18,663 ballots cast
Beachwood – 9,943 registered voters / 13,939 ballots cast
Bedford – 9,942 registered voters / 14,465 ballots cast
Bedford Heights – 8,142 registered voters / 13,512 ballots cast
Brooklyn – 8,016 registered voters / 12,303 ballots cast
Brooklyn Heights – 1,144 registered voters / 1,869 ballots cast
Chagrin Falls Village – 3,557 registered voters / 4,860 ballots cast
Cuyahoga Heights – 570 registered voters / 1,382 ballots cast
Fairview Park – 13,342 registered voters / 18,472 ballots cast
Highland Hills Village – 760 registered voters / 8,822 ballots cast
Independence – 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Mayfield Village – 2,764 registered voters / 3,145 ballots cast
Middleburg Heights – 12,173 registered voters / 14,854 ballots cast
Moreland Hills Village – 2,990 registered voters / 4,616 ballots cast
North Olmstead – 25,794 registered voters / 25,887 ballots cast
Olmstead Falls – 6,538 registered voters / 7,328 ballots cast
Pepper Pike – 5,131 registered voters / 6,479 ballots cast
Rocky River – 16,600 registered voters / 20,070 ballots cast
Solon (WD6) – 2,292 registered voters / 4,300 ballots cast
South Euclid – 16,902 registered voters / 16,917 ballots cast
Strongsville (WD3) – 7,806 registered voters / 12,108 ballots cast
University Heights – 10,072 registered voters / 11,982 ballots cast
Valley View Village – 1,787 registered voters / 3,409 ballots cast
Warrensville Heights – 10,562 registered voters / 15,039 ballots cast
Woodmere Village – 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast
Bedford (CSD) – 22,777 registered voters / 27,856 ballots cast
Independence (LSD) – 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Orange (CSD) – 11,640 registered voters / 22,931 ballots cast
Warrensville (CSD) – 12,218 registered voters / 15,822 ballots cast
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm
Is the official website of the Cuyahoga county election board, providing irrefutable
evidence that the
vote was off by at least 93,000.
Kerry lost Ohio by approximately
130,000, so this is not an insignificant figure that can be ignored, particularly when there
are numerous other indications of voter fraud in Ohio and elsewhere. I think the only
possible alternative is to invalidate the entire Ohio election, if not the entire national election.
“If you want higher taxes and more big government choose”,
like you have experienced the last 8 years, vote McSame.
Reuters/Zogby Index Dips As Focus on Economy Intensifies
10/15/2008 – Survey finds President’s job approval marks hit a new low of 21%; Congressional job performance ratings fall back to record low of 9%
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shocking.
lets get some of those 9% guys to straighten this economic mess out.
mxyzptlk,
More crap allegations coming from the Dims.
Secret Service says “Kill him” allegation unfounded
“SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.”
http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_.html
Sorry Heckler,
I didn’t see you had already posted that information.
Thanks
gster
Posted October 16, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink
“If you want higher taxes and more big government choose”,
like you have experienced the last 8 years, vote McSame.
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Funny you libs think bush won because he was “running against Clinton” so now you have adopted this vote McSame meme.
Bush won because he was running against a condescending whacko and a wannabe war hero.
Boxlock and Heckler this is just the latest try of the MSM to choose our next prez. Shameful that we can’t even get accurate news coverage.
If you need a story just make it up.
Please try to keep up Boxlock.
WASHINGTON – The Secret Service is looking into a second allegation that a participant at a Republican political rally shouted “kill him,” referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.
The Scranton Times-Tribune reported that someone in the crowd shouted “kill him” after the mention of Obama’s name during a rally Tuesday for GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin in Scranton, Pa.
Last week, The Washington Post reported a similar incident during a Palin rally in Clearwater, Fla. The Secret Service investigated that allegation and found no indication that “kill him” was ever said, or if it was said, that the remark was directed at Obama.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/ap_on_el_pr/obama_secret_service
And now FRAUD ALERT OHIO!!!!
Court order impacts 200,000 Ohio voters
Their names must be cross-checked by counties amid charges of fraud
By IAN URBINA New York Times
Oct. 16, 2008, 12:24AM
More than 200,000 registered Ohio voters may be blocked from casting regular ballots on Election Day because of a federal appeals court decision on Tuesday requiring the disclosure of lists of voters whose names did not match those on government databases, state election officials and voting experts said.
The court decision requires Jennifer Brunner, the Ohio secretary of state, to provide the names to local election officials by Friday. Once the local officials have the names, they may require these voters to cast provisional ballots, and they may ask partisan poll workers to challenge these voters on Election Day.
Both possibilities could cause widespread problems when voters show up at polls.
Concerns about those problems led the Ohio attorney general to file an appeal of the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of Brunner on Wednesday night.
The state’s appeal went directly to Justice John Paul Stevens because he oversees the 6th Circuit. It argued that the Republican Party had nearly two years to raise complaints about the process of screening voter registrations and failed to do so. Any changes now to the process would disrupt preparations for the election, it contended.
May affect Dems more
Federal law requires states to verify voter registration applications with a government database like those for driver’s licenses or Social Security cards. Names that do not match are flagged for further verification. Since Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, the decision will probably affect their party’s supporters disproportionately.
(Just imagine: 200,000 registrations did NOT match either motor vehicles registrations or Social Security records Social Security numbers.)
So why is 200,000 significant?
Ohio now has roughly 8.2 million registered voters according to Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.
One percent would be 82,000 voters.
Two percent would be 164,000 voters.
Three percent would be 246,000 voters.
Polls have Obama leading McCain in Ohio by 2%.
Unsure voters are 3%.
The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/-3 percentage points.
My point: In the borderline states, the election is going to be close. Let’s not muddy the water with FRAUD by either party.
History will say the election was once again, stolen.
ACORN: Vote early. Vote Often.
Voter fraud alert: Houseful of out-of-state Obama activists registered as Ohio voters, received absentee ballots
By Michelle Malkin • October 15, 2008 04:09 AM
Something smells at 2885 Brownlee Avenue in Columbus, Ohio.
Here’s the stench: An entire houseful of young, non-Ohioan Democrat activists have used the Brownlee Avenue address to register themselves to vote in the Buckeye State and secure absentee ballots under extremely shady circumstances — all while mobilizing a large effort to register thousands of others for absentee and early voting. The activists are leaders of a group called “Vote From Home ‘08.” The group is self-identified as having “extensive experience with political organizing, election administration, and Democratic politics.” They were hailed as the “Justice League” by a Daily Kos blogger. Their Facebook page brags: “Want to turn the Presidential election blue in a key swing state? Vote from Home is a political organization that was founded by a team of young people for the purpose of assisting, aiding, and tracking voters to elect progressive candidates to the White House. Encouraged by the excitement of the 2008 elections and the movement around the Democratic candidates, Vote From Home will be in Ohio seeking to deliver 10,000 votes to Democratic candidates statewide.”
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/15/voter-fraud-alert-houseful-of-out-of-state-obama-activists-registered-as-ohio-voters-received-absentee-ballots/
Boat loads of fraud.
Arrests are just starting to trickle in.
State GOP leaders accuse ACORN of vote fraud
by GARRY LENTON, Of The Patriot-News Friday October 10, 2008, 11:26 AM
State Republican leaders are accusing a community-based group it claims has links to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, of deliberately filing fraudulent voter registration forms across the state.
Voter registration officials in Harrisburg, Philadelphia and Allegheny County have reported problems with registrations filed on behalf of voters by the Association of Community Organizations, or ACORN. State Republican Party chairman Robert Gleason said the number of fake registrations is in the thousands and said the situation has “the potential for massive fraud.”
A York man employed part-time by ACORN was arrested Saturday and charged with submitting more than 100 bogus registrations over eight days in June. The man was fired when ACORN learned of the discrepancy.
Dauphin County investigators said Luis F. Torres-Serrano, 37, of the 400 block of George St., York, was working part time for ACORN and turned in bogus registration forms, apparently to justify his paycheck, said Chief County Detective John Goshert.
Mich. AG Charges Ex-ACORN Worker With Forgery
10-14-2008
Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:07:16 PM by Westlander
Michigan’s attorney general is charging a former employee of a community organizing group with forgery after he says the man falsely submitted six voter registration forms.
He worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN.
“lets get some of those 9% guys to straighten this economic mess out.”
No problem. All they need to do is throw more money at it.
And in Virginia:
Registrars Uncover Potential Voter Registration Fraud
Virginia voter fraud is on the rise this election year and local registrars tell CBS 6 they’re seeing more fake applications than ever before and expect to see more in the coming days.
Falsifying registration forms is a felony,yet people are still doing it. Even here in Central Virginia local registrars offices are seeing an increase in fraud especially in the City of Richmond and the city’s registrar says she’s never seen anything like it. Kirk Showalters says she has over 100 fraudulent voter registration forms uncovered so far and possibly more waiting in piles of unprocessed mail. The documents have false names, social security numbers and addresses, many of which have streets listed on them that don’t exist at all.
Chesterfield County is seeing the same thing, they’ve counted close to 80 falsified forms so far. Registrar Larry Haake says, [/b]“Their name would be right, address would be right, but date of birth and social security number wrong which means, where can you go to get names and addresses? You go to the phone book.”[/b]
Officials believe people hired by advocacy groups to register minority voters in exchange for cash and other incentives are the ones submitting the forms and in metro Richmond, some of the falsified documents are coming from a group called The Community Voters Project which is a group involved with three Hampton Roads workers arrested for voter fraud.
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/obamaacorn-voter-fraud-in-virginia/
The chairman, Delegate Jeffrey M. Frederick, Prince William Republican, decried a “widespread problem across the commonwealth” after the arrests of three people last week in Hampton on election fraud charges. He urged Gov. Tim Kaine, a Democrat, and Attorney General Robert F. McDonnell, a Republican, to begin a statewide investigation.
The three were arrested on felony charges, and Mr. Frederick said the arrests triggered investigations in several other localities, including Richmond, Newport News and Norfolk.
But when pressed on his assertion that registration fraud had been reported by local election registrars statewide, Mr. Frederick would not identify other affected jurisdictions, citing the advice of lawyers.
Nancy Rodrigues, executive secretary of the State Board of Elections, said the reported fraud was based in Hampton, and listed eight other localities where victims could be involved.
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jul/29/gop-chief-urges-investigation-into-widespread-vote/
mxyzptlk, when there is a name or person to put with these ‘allegations’ then alert us. Until then it is just newsmaking by the MSM. Shameful!
Throw it out and see if it sticks. Typical lib tactic.
And for those silly people who say, “well how many of those people will actually vote twice?”
Here ya go:
Liberty Co. Man Arrested for Voter Fraud
10/13/08 – 05:55 PM
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Mark Jenkins – bio
mjenkins@wmbb.com
Calhoun County, Fla:
One Liberty County resident was arrested in September for allegedly voting twice in the primaries.
Authorities with the Calhoun County Sheriff’s Office say 41 year old Joey Harold Bright voted once in Liberty County then again in Calhoun County. Bright told Calhoun election officials he was no longer a registered voter in Calhoun County, but was a land owner. Bright then voted on a provisional ballot, but didn’t put his signature.
According to the report, Bright even called the Supervisor of Elections Office to make sure his vote counted. Calhoun Supervisor of Elections Margie Laramore then discovered that he was a registered voter in Liberty County and voted there on an absentee ballot. The Calhoun County Canvassing Board rejected Bright’s provisional ballot as illegal.
Bright was arrested September 29th and is charged with voter fraud a third degree felony. He’s now out of jail, but will face a judge November 5th. If convicted, Bright could receive up to five years in prison.
http://www.panhandleparade.com/index.php/mbb/article/liberty_co_man_arrested_for_voter_fraud/mbb7710963/
PS: It is pretty hard to catch them once registered fraudulently:
1. Because you can’t ask for photo ID
2. You can vote by mail
3. No Id is required
4. Once registered, name is on the rolls
Thanks Democrats for being so, well, UNdemocratic!
Republics and the faltering economy
Big McConnell supporter is known as ‘The Vulture’
The third-largest campaign donor for Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is a $14 billion New York City hedge-fund firm led by a man — nicknamed “the Vulture” — who squeezes distressed companies and countries for their last dollars, and who boasted that the current U.S. economic crisis is “the opportunity of a lifetime.”
Paul E. Singer and his employees at Elliott Management gave $87,500 to McConnell’s campaign as of June 30, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. They gave at least $66,000 more to McConnell’s political action committee, called Bluegrass PAC.
Only Louisville-based Kindred Healthcare, which runs nursing homes and hospitals, and UBS, a global provider of financial services for wealthy clients, gave more to keep McConnell in the Senate.
McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, supported much of the agenda for which records show that Elliott lobbied Congress, including limits on the damages injured people can recover when they sue corporations; new bankruptcy rules making it harder for people to escape debt; and a bar against higher taxes for wealthy hedge fund managers.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/54013.html
Come on people!
Do you really think people are so stupid?
How many of you sign official documents with:
1. Wrong name
2. Wrong mailing address
3. Incorrect social security number
4. Incorrect drivers license number
This is clearly wide-spread FRAUD!
According to CNN, Senator Obama’s approval rating before the debate was 63%; it rose to 66% after. Senator McCain’s approval rating was 51% before the debate and 49% after.
About 70% said that Senator Obama was more likeable, to 22% for Senator McCain. The only category Senator McCain won handsomely was being more combative: 80% to 7%.
Almost forgot
5. Wrong signature
Democrats all for free speech. Of course, except when they are not.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/11/AR2008101101465_pf.html
Republican governor Crist says GOP is exaggerating claims of voter fraud in his state.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/727604.html
That’s not surprising, what is surprising is that there is an honest Republican who doesn’t care for corruption. On the other hand there’s George Bush who used taxpayer money to support Republican campaigns. That’s real fraud connected to the Republican party.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Report_White_House_coordinated_taxpayerfunded_travel_1015.html
Am_Way – an even better example might be Florida 2000.
Diebold: Doesn’t matter – we have already counted the votes.
Good Townhall link above.
Another good even-handed discussion of the financial meltdown
THOMAS FRIEDMAN: GET BACK TO THE BASICS
“I have a friend who regularly reminds me that if you jump off the top of an 80-story building, for 79 stories you can actually think you’re flying. It’s the sudden stop at the end that always gets you.
When I think of the financial services boom, bubble and bust that America has just gone through, I often think about that image. We thought we were flying. Well, we just met the sudden stop at the end. The laws of gravity, it turns out, still apply.
You cannot tell tens of thousands of people that they can have the American dream — a home, for no money down and nothing to pay for two years — without that eventually catching up to you. The Puritan ethic of hard work and saving still matters.
Our financial bubble, like all bubbles, has many complex strands feeding into it — called derivatives and credit-default swaps — but at heart, it is really very simple. We got away from the basics — from the fundamentals of prudent lending and borrowing, where the lender and borrower maintain some kind of personal responsibility for, and personal interest in, whether the person receiving the money can actually pay it back. Instead, we fell into what some people call “YBG” and “IBG” lending: “You’ll be gone and I’ll be gone” before the bill comes due.
Yes, this bubble is about us — not all of us; many Americans were way too poor to play. But it is about enough of us to say it is about America. And we will not get out of this without going back to some basics, which is why I find myself rereading a valuable book called “How: Why How We Do Anything Means Everything… in Business (and in Life).” Its author, Dov Seidman, is the CEO of LRN, which helps companies build ethical corporate cultures.
Seidman basically argues that in our hyperconnected and transparent world, how you do things matters more than ever, because so many more people can now see how you do things, be affected by how you do things and tell others how you do things on the Internet anytime, for no cost and without restraint.
We got away from these hows. We became more connected than ever in recent years, but the connections were actually very loose. That is, we went away from a world in which if you wanted a mortgage to buy a home, you needed to show real income and a credit record, into a world where a banker could sell you a mortgage and make gobs of money up front and then offload your mortgage to a bundler who put a whole bunch of mortgages together, chopped them into bonds and sold some to banks as far afield as Iceland.
The bank writing the mortgage got away from how because it was just passing you along to a bundler. And the investment bank bundling these mortgages got away from how because it didn’t know you, but it knew it was lucrative to bundle your mortgage with others. And the credit-rating agency got away from how because there was just so much money to be made in giving good ratings to these bonds, why delve too deeply? And the bank in Iceland got away from how because, hey, everyone else was buying the stuff and returns were great, so why not?
Charles Mackay wrote a classic history of financial crises called “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds,” first published in London in 1841. He noted: “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”
And so it must be with us. We need to get back to collaborating the old-fashioned way. That is, people making decisions based on business judgment, experience, prudence, clarity of communications and thinking about how — not just how much.”
http://www.kansas.com/205/story/562460.html
mxyzpunk- According to CNN
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What do you suppose it was according to “Limbaugh and Hannity”
Townhall? heheheheh
I guess I better run to kos or huffpo and post some partisan stuff from them. Fairness Doctrine and all.
We havent heard from franklin or bluejay lately.
You dont think there was a duel somewhere, do ya?
“According to CNN, Senator Obama’s approval rating before the debate was 63%; it rose to 66% after”
Wow, a poll conducted in the middle of the night.
ksfarmgrrlicker
Posted October 16, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink
We havent heard from franklin or bluejay lately.
You dont think there was a duel somewhere, do ya?
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Probably lost the password on those nic’s,
tough to keep them all straight……
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 16, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink
We havent heard from franklin or bluejay lately.
You dont think there was a duel somewhere, do ya?
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I sent Junior ‘up the river.’
Funny stuff. I see ACORN will be the salve the wingnuts use to make their wounds feel better after the election. In their minds, their landslide loss wont be a repudiation of them or their wingnut ways, it will be and election that was STOLEN.
heheheh. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
All I’m gonna say, day after day after the election, is… wait for it….
GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CF, “last refuge of scoundrels” was also exactly what I thought when I read the “we cant have a one party government”.
They all thought “happy days are here again” when bushco and the repukes controlled ALL the branches of government.
And now it’s a bad thing? heheheh. AHAHAHAAHHAHA.
Karma. She really is a biotch. I just wish she wasnt so slow…
American_Way Posted October 16, 2008 at 9:00 am
Come on people!
Do you really think people are so stupid?
How many of you sign official documents with:
1. Wrong name
2. Wrong mailing address
3. Incorrect social security number
4. Incorrect drivers license number
This is clearly wide-spread FRAUD!
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I agree! It’s a good thing these fraudulent registrations were found now before being added to the voter rolls! Keep up the good work, let’s find them all. Each headline is a reason to celebrate! Thanks for bringing this good news to our attention, AmWay!
I think it’s funny that I have my own personal trolls. I know they’ve heard what a good cook I am, but I’m sorry, I’m taking Agnatha’s advise.
DNFTST
ksfrmgrrlicker- All I’m gonna say, day after day after the election, is… wait for it….
GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Promise?
hehehehehehe
hehehehehehe
hehehehehehe
you betchya!
Picked out your burka yet?
heheheh. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Was it funny with John Kerry Farm Girl?
American_Way
Posted October 16, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink
As Tracy would say, the wingnuts today are pitiful.
Just pitiful.
What did Brian say?
Pobracito
Hee hee heeeeee
Stolen election. One party government. Losing crucial judicial appointments. Media bias.
yep. Karma’s a biotch all right.
Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.
They never figures President Obama would have ALL the powers of the unPatriot Act at his disposal.
And congress wont say a mumblin’ word.
Irony. It’s always lost on those who need it the most.
Maybe we need to set up a foundation for the irony impaired?
Pobracitos
Maybe the dems will expand on the Unitary Presidential powers theory! Do you think those bush S.C. appointees will still be Unitarist?
Heh. I can say it in FRENCH too!
pauvre petite
Hee hee hee heeee.
In english, it’s poor baby.
And in sign language?
Rub your index finger and thumb together. It’s the world’s tiniest violin playing Cry Me A River.
Waaaaaaaaaaaa
But hey, despite all that?
You should “dont worry, be happy”
You will STILL be safe from gay marriage.
hehehehhehe.
November 5 is gonna be so much fun….
I wonder how many languages we can use to say LANDSLIDE?
“their landslide loss wont be a repudiation of them”
Farm Girl you just don’t get it.
I am not worried about a landslide loss. That would make life easy! I hope you are right. I’ve said I think Obama will win.
But I do not believe it will be a “landslide”.
My concern is the dozen or so states where the margin of winning will surely be much smaller.
Let it be a clean win. Democrats did not feel good after the Florida fiasco did you? You didn’t feel good about America. You have lived all these years under the negatives of a “stolen election”.
Yes: Laughter and poking fun will be a great event for you November 5th (and me too if Obama somehow manages to not win).
But the issue of voter fraud could potentially muddy another election in American history. What if it again goes to the Supreme Court? What happens if the USSC votes the other way?
Win big. I hope you do.
But ACORN is rotten and dirty. I wish Obama would have made a strong leader comment condeming the FRAUD last night when it came up.
Instead, he smirked like a little boy.
If clean: Why didn’t he join McCain in proclaiming voter fraud by ANYONE to be a criminal wrong and that he would not tolerate it as President?
First, let me say that I love hidden objects games, so this one was a blast!
http://palinaspresident.com/
Be sure to move the mouse around on all the objects. Don’t miss the Bridge to Nowhere on the desk (click it), the empty frames and framed diploma on the walls (click each one), and especially roll up the shades on the windows. Open those windows, too. There’s more, but I’ll let you all find them. :)
“Maybe the dems will expand on the Unitary Presidential powers theory!”
Oh wow. I didnt even THINK about Joe Biden having all of Big Dick Cheney’s expanded powers at his disposal.
Heeee. HAHAHAHA.
I head a quote yesterday that was attributed to Truman Capote. Dont know if that’s true, but I loved the quote.
Something about more tears being shed over ANSWERED prayers than unanswered.
heheheheh
Better keep prayin’ wingnuts…
“Why didn’t he join McCain in proclaiming voter fraud by ANYONE to be a criminal wrong and that he would not tolerate it as President?”
John McCain was lying…again.
So be ready, standing tall, in your best full moon outfits.
So skyclad would be okay with you then? :)
Seriously, it was a beautiful moon. My daughter and I were headed home from Towne West about 7:30 last night, going east. A person would have had to have been blind to miss that gorgeous almost-full moon.
“You have lived all these years under the negatives of a “stolen election”.
Yep
And I’ve lived with wingnuts telling me the answer was to JUST GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What goes around comes around.
Ya live by the sword of fraud, ya die by the sword of fraud.
Karma’s a biotch.
I’m gonna go looking for more of these oh so appropriate cliches.
Agreed Pre. The moon was too beautiful for words last night. What did Wink call it? A Hunter’s Moon?
It was a chicken ranch moon too!
Harvest Moon some call it.
Thanks for the game, Pre. Fun. I did look under the sofa cushions…
If anyone is collecting Voter apps, they are required BY LAW (in most states) to turn them ALL in to the Election Office.
This is why ACORN reports that they think certain apps are suspect when they turn them in.
So if a volunteer or employee fill out false applications and the organizer DOES NOT turn them in, the law is broken. The law is intended to prevent say a Democratic Party registration drive that throws out the Republican applications.
Plug that into your equations…
Obama’s socialist idea of spread the wealth is absurd. Under Obama why should people like “Joe the plumber work to improve himself and his families well being? Why should he start a business that provides jobs?
Why does the government have the right to take away from you what you worked so hard to earn? How is a person supposed to save for retirement and emergencies?
This is just craziness. The American Dream is to work hard to have money for your family and have the ability to live comfortable. Not everyone achieves that dream but the opportunity is there.
The government does not need more of our money we worked for they just need to work with what they have.
So what is happening in many cases, the community activists are turning in the applications – as required by law – and even pointing out the applications they think are bad.
Then the partisan election officials are crying “WOLF!” “FRAUD!” Demanding investigations, to reinforce this fiction of voter fraud.
We will surely see examples exposed of Republican hacks who have joined the campaign and deliberately turned in false ballots to try to discredit the registration drives.
(previously posted in the wrong thread.. oops)
So, even if the Senate is just close to a 60 seat super majority, a President Obama will have several options!
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“Obama could appoint Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) or Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) to the cabinet, thus demonstrating his bipartisanship and also flipping a seat (the governors of both states are Democrats).”
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Oct16.html
Sunny? You then opposed to ALL taxes of any kind, then?
Linda, on the game…
Did you click on the two doors on the front of the desk? The top edge of the desk? The PHONE?
Somebody went to a lot of work on that one. But I bet it was fun doing it.
Heehe.. Yes it is so hard to catch fraudulent voters.. refer to the example above where they caught him!! WHAHAHAHAAA
mxyzptlk,
With respect to the 2nd. (???) threat.
“So far, the Secret Service has not found anyone else who heard “kill him” Tuesday except for the Times-Tribune reporter.”
And we all know Times-Tribune reporters are that only in their own mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/ap_on_el_pr/obama_secret_service
Who’d have thunked it? Global climate change can have a specific effect on our health. My copy of Center Times (S publication of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas) arrived in yesterday’s mail.
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More kidney stone disease projected due to global warming, researchers predict
“There is a known geographic variation in stone disease that has been attributed to regional differences in temperature,” said Dr. Pearle. “When people relocate from areas of moderate temperature to areas with warmer climates, a rapid increase in stone risk has been observed. This has been shown in military deployments to the Middle East for instance.”
http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/utsw/cda/dept353744/files/472790.html
“Did you click on the two doors on the front of the desk? The top edge of the desk? The PHONE?”
Yes on the phone, now that you led me to the doors on front of desk — YES! (giggle!).
Top edge of desk??
“The government does not need more of our money we worked for they just need to work with what they have.”
OK, let’s start by cutting out all the faith based initiatives, and then let’s move on to the pentagon budget!
Obama will inherit the crown jewel of ‘The War Powers Act’, at least until he officially claims the war on terror has been won!
There won’t be a con around that would dispute that.
Poor Joe the Plumber, he just might be in that upper echelon that will see a tax increase! Their going rate is well over 100 bucks an hr. isn’t it?
Joe the Plumber won’t mind helping out Joe Six Pack.
Yeah, front edge of the desk, between those two doors at the top.
I need to make a list of all the places. I missed clicking on the phone, but my daughter caught it. Loved the dinosaur!
The first time I did it, I didn’t use the mouse, just sat there and waited for something to happen. When I went to close the browser, I must have clicked on the curtains or something on the right, and the gun fell down. I went back a second time and rolled the mouse around, but still missed a few things. It obviously took this blonde more than once. LOL
Hey Pre! At the bottom of the picture in the game it says, “updated daily until Nov. 4th.”
I’m thinking oil prices will go back up AFTER the election. Kinda like 2004. Tell me again the “free market” controls the price of oil.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices
Even a temporary decline in the price of oil wont get mccoot elected. And it cuts into the Moose Dresser’s revenue.
Bummer
I got it! Poor wolves…
“Obama’s socialist idea of spread the wealth is absurd
It’ll be much better for America than the repub philosophy of concentrate the wealth.
Greenspan warned his fellow republicans that the growing wealth disparity was going to cause some serious changes.
“We also have four House polls. The Democrats are on track to hold OR-05 because the family values Republican candidate got his girlfriend pregnant and paid for her abortion”
SWEET!
Oil companies will be less anxious to put the ocs oil on the market until the price skyrockets again. Most likely they’ll just add the rights to their inventories.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 – 2004)
I’m afraid we weren’t listening to him at the time
On the “spread the wealth” issue:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/obama_the_friendly_socialist.php
wherein the writer notes that there was a jump in the video, and goes on to discuss the context of the remark, based upon the discussion with the Fox News producer at the site. It seems that Joe the Plumber went on (not shown, as I understand it in the clip on “Fox and Friends”) to ask Sen. Obama whether he supported a flat tax, which elicited a further response, which ended with the “share the wealth” comment that has been promoted as displaying Sen. Obama’s “true socialistic intent” or words to that effect.
I haven’t seen the video clip. The author links to it, before going on with his (I presume) recounting of his discussion with the Fox News producer.
ksfrmgrrlmuncher-
OK, let’s start by cutting out all the faith based initiatives.
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Hussein plans to…..
wait for it……
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EXPAND THEM !!!!!
hehehehehe
“This is just craziness. The American Dream is to work hard to have money for your family and have the ability to live comfortable. Not everyone achieves that dream but the opportunity is there.”
sunflower5 you are wasting your breath posting beliefs such as the above on this blog.
This is a home of the democrats socialist party.
This is the loony bin.
ksfrmgorrilla- then let’s move on to the pentagon budget!
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Hussein has said we will probably need to……
wait for it…..
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.”bump up” the military budget in a new administration.
hehehehehehehe
ksfrmgrrlmuncher- At least were safe from gay marriage.
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Hussein says that he personally believes that “marriage is”……
Wait for it…
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“BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN”
hehehehehehee
I figure we are doing the normal world a service by keeping them busy on this blog. The thought of farmie and some of the other loonies loose in the world is scary beyond belief.
Obama will expand the faith based programs according to him, he will also wipe out world poverty with our tax dollars, reform our entire education system with our tax dollars, insure us all with our tax dollars, create many many jobs with our tax dollars.
Does anyone see a pattern here?
This is rich.
It turns out Joe the ($1,250-an-hour) Plumber hasn’t even bothered to register to vote!
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 16, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink
This is rich.
It turns out Joe the ($1,250-an-hour) Plumber hasn’t even bothered to register to vote!
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Always been the “achilles heel” of the democratic party…..
(and the reason for the inacuracy of most polls)
From av’s link
“”If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re going to be better off it you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now I think everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody. ”
That was the situation back in the Clinton admin., the people in the lower echelons were doing better, had more disposable income, and it filtered up the pyramid.
Then the repubs came in, started outsoucing high paying jobs to the lowest bidder (China), the lower echelons were squeezed, couldn’t demand highe wages because of the downward pressure being exerted by thos losing their jobs, and the threat of having their jobs outsourced.
We just moved away from a rising tide raises all ships, and put joe six pack in dry dock.
Why are foriegn countrys so interested in Hussein becoming Pres.???
Because he’s promising to save THEIR poor too!
A nice-sounding bill called the “Global Poverty Act,” sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.
Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has not endorsed either Senator Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But on Thursday, February 14, he is trying to rush Obama’s “Global Poverty Act” (S.2433) through his committee. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends.
Republicans have replaced Joe the Plumber, with Hose the Plumber!
Rush this through congress and he wont have to include the additional $845 billion in HIS tax plan.
This may even be better than ‘War on Xmas’!
Some hear doll’s burbling as a clear endorsement of Islam
BY JOE RODRIGUEZ
The Wichita Eagle
“Little Mommy Cuddle N’ Coo” doll. The doll is being pulled off store shelves because it supposedly says, “Islam is the light.” Toymaker Mattel says the doll does not say that and is only cooing.
Video: Listen to the doll yourself
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Is a talking baby doll being sold in toy stores across America cooing or proselytizing?
Depending on whom you ask, Mattel’s Little Mommy Cuddle ‘n Coo doll either needs to be pulled from shelves because it utters a phrase about Islam or is harmless and something people are making too much of.
Many people claim that the doll says, “Islam is the light
Where is Joe McCarthy when we need him to ferret out the muslims under every tea cup?
“Why are foriegn countrys so interested in Hussein becoming Pres.???”
Saddam is running for president????????
Who knew?
hyperbole much?
Yep.
Expanding faith based initiatives, expanding the military budget, being a bigot on gay marriage…
All reasons why I did not support obama.
Come on, you surely know who I’m supporting. How many times have I posted it?
Or are you just willfully implying that obama is “my guy” when you know it isnt the truth?
I dont support obama. But I support mcsame even less.
WHY TF would it matter who I’m supporting? YOUR guy is still a loser who’s gonna lose.
I have good reason not to be an obama fan. But it isnt because I’m dumb enough to believe he is a muslim terrorist who will force socialism on us like bushco has.
I dont have to call him hussein either.
Reason. It’s something you wingnuts should try.
WHY TF would it matter who I’m supporting? YOUR guy is still a loser who’s gonna lose.
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That can be said for both candidates,no matter who wins WE lose
ksfrmgrrlmuncher-
Saddam is running for president????????
Who knew?
hyperbole much?
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Democrapic nominee “Barack…..
wait for it…
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HUSSEIN OBAMA!
at least hussein does think marriage IS between a man and a woman.
hehehehehehe
picked out your burka yet?
Incredible –
McCoot’s newest ad:
http://tinyurl.com/47r8ng
“”The last eight years haven’t worked very well, have they?”
He throws Shrub under the bus!
I wonder if biased is bigotbox, since they both appear to be obsessed with me. Both secretly hot for me.
Sorry boys, I’m taken. And you are not my flavor of choice.
I dont date christians.
ksfrmgrrlmuncher- I dont support obama.
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lie much?
you betchya!
back to the trough sheeple
bahhhhhhh….
bahhhhhhh….
McCain expected to carry Pennsylvania
According to Congressman Murpha who stated that Western Pennsylvania are racist, so this should easily carry the electoral college votes in McCain’s column.
Who knew the Sisters of Sacred Heart were all racists?!?!
Latest polls for Pennsylvania:
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 10/05 – 10/14 – 53.6 40.0 Obama +13.6
Morning Call Tracking 10/10 – 10/14 612 LV 52 38 Obama +14
SurveyUSA 10/11 – 10/13 516 LV 55 40 Obama +15
Marist 10/05 – 10/08 757 LV 53 41 Obama +12
Strategic Vision (R) 10/05 – 10/07 1200 LV 54 40 Obama +14
Rasmussen 10/06 – 10/06 700 LV 54 41 Obama +13
I figure we are doing the normal world a service
okobserver I never thought of it that way, but you are right. I never thought we are contributing to a greater good just by being here.
I also find the Kansas Weblog useful to continue my study of the small world experiment and the six degrees of separation and political influence and beliefs.
In short, this is as good a place as any to get familiar with the sheep before wadding into deeper waters elsewhere.
“ksfrmgrrlmuncher- I dont support obama.”
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nitwit
but your attentions are flattering. Unwanted, but flattering. Like I said, I’m taken.
Both you and bigotbox will have to find someone else to make your fantasies come true…
Exactly. After I leave here and go back into the ‘normal’ world I am ready for anything.
Do we get badges?
Jobs is now a 3 letter word per Joe Biden.
American_Way
Posted October 16, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
Do we get badges?
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a stamp.
DavidB – I am not against all taxes.
We should. Done you just love Joe Biden. Like a breath of fresh air. Course he did say Obama told him that.
HLP – Did you not listen to Obama last night? Obama stated that if it is true as reported that ACRORN paid people to sign people up to register and some people just filled the cards out, then that is wrong.
Obama cannot be held responsible for everything ACORN does. Besides, ACORN is registering people to vote – it is not actual voter fraud like you are trying to make it sound. It is up to the states to determine if that person is eligible to vote according to that state’s election laws.
Even John McCain finally told that one woman supporter that she does not need to be scared of Obama because is not an Arab or Muslim. Of course why wouldn’t McCain’s supporters believe Obama is an Arab or Muslim – because McCain and Palin have both whipped their supporters into a frenzy over the lowest of all dividers – ethinicity.
Is this really something to be proud of?
ksfrmgrrlmuncher-nitwit
but your attentions are flattering. Unwanted, but flattering. Like I said, I’m taken.
Both you and bigotbox will have to find someone else to make your fantasies come true…
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Idiotic post will ALWAYS get you more attention then wanted.
Oops, I meant DESERVED.
Buh bye then.
idiot.
“and the press starts….. ”
Starts? WTF?
Yes Joe the Plummer is registered to vote, just like I am. Here is a comment on the web that I picked up about what the lib MSM will be doing trying to discredit this guy. The Messiah started this.
“Don’t forget to get ready for a full-frontal assault on the character of Joe W. by the unhinged moonbats…they are going to comb over every aspect of his life in the next 24-48 hours. If he was ever arrested for a DUI – splashed across the front page of the NY Times. If he ever admitted voting for a Republic before, he’ll be slimed and maligned as a Karl Rove “plant.” Is he divorced? Well, that proves he must be an angry white guy with a chip on his shoulder – he’s probably a racist too.
I hope someone is preparing Joe W. and his family for what’s to come by the far-left kook extremists and Obamatrons.”
I am against any tax that is intended to ‘grow the economy’ or ‘create jobs’. That dog just won’t hunt. When gov uses the tax they collect under this method to redistribute the wealth then it is a no win situation.
If a small town doesn’t attract new job creation from an outside source what happens. The local money will be redestributed and eventually local businesses will close. No new money entering the economy will shut it down. The rich know how to keep their money. The middle class will be the sacrifical lamb. The poor don’t pay taxes they are just the recepients of the middle class over taxing.
“SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him.”
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.
Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”
“We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
Hackett said he did not hear the remark.
Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.
When contacted Wednesday afternoon, Singleton referred questions to Times-Tribune Metro Editor Jeff Sonderman. Sonderman said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”
Slavoski said the agents take such threats or comments seriously and immediately opened an investigation but after due diligence “as far as we’re concerned it’s closed unless someone comes forward.” He urged anyone with knowledge of the alleged incident to call him at 346-5781. “We’ll run at all leads,” he said.
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Of course, he is lying. The Secret service does that you know, they don;t take threats against candidates seriously /sarcasm off/
Boxlock
Posted October 16, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 – 2004)
I’m afraid we weren’t listening to him at the time
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And Reagan gave weapons to Iran ! Isn’t Iran a part of the axis of evil we are now fighting? So you worship a man that gave our sworn enemy weapons?
No wonder you’re a die-hard Republican. You will believe black is white and white is black.
Mom,posted ‘No wonder you’re a die-hard Republican. You will believe black is white and white is black’.
I think this is a rascist statement.
US Supreme Court to hear Ohio ACORN case?
“Ohio Elections Chief Challenges Court Ruling
Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner filed an appeal with the U.S. Supreme Court over a lower court’s ruling that the state has not done enough to prevent fraud associated with mismatched identification of new voter registrants……
This is a shameful mess, and Ohioans are rapidly losing confidence in Secretary Brunner’s ability to protect the integrity of this election,” DeWine said.
“Jennifer Brunner dropped a bombshell on Wednesday in revealing that as many as 200,000 registrations contain bad information, and she’s arrogantly fighting every effort to validate these questionable forms. She apparently lied to the media on Wednesday when her office vowed to comply with the district court’s order. It’s time to stop wasting valuable tax dollars and start fulfilling her legal obligations,” he continued.
Justice John Paul Stevens oversees the 6th Circuit and is in receipt of the filing. He has the option to deny the appeal outright or he could take it to the full court for consideration. If he rejects the appeal, the secretary of state has the option of sending it back under another judge.”
Stay tuned.
ACORN=FRAUD=OBAMA
“our sworn enemy….”
No!No!No! Mom you got it all wrong. Iran is not our enemy anymore. Obama will meet with them and make them our friends.
You will see this, once utopia starts in January.
““Don’t forget to get ready for a full-frontal assault on the character of Joe W. by the unhinged moonbats…”
I heard Joe W. is related to that fired highway patrolman in Alaska.
The full conversation between Obama and Joe the plumber in Ohio. All the words are here, not just those Fox News decided the people they lead around needed to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ym1-jkuZ8s
Wow!!!
What a glorious endorsement for Obama to win this election. Qaddafi calls Obama a ‘Muslim brother’, and that Arab counties have donated to his campaign. As I said, wow, no wonder the DimLibs want him to win so badly, he is just what is need to bring this country down.
“Muammar el-Qaddafi endorses and prays for Obama to get elected. Says Obama is a Muslim and studied in Indonesia, and many Arabs have donated legally to his campaign. Gaddafi was a major financier of the “Black September Movement” which perpetrated the Munich massacre at the 1972 Summer Olympics.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvE-P–2Zw&feature=related
By the way mom, your post is actually not worthy of responding to it is such a gross representation of the truth. But since you do that generally and for the sake of others understanding, I’m sure it’s lost on you, here are the fact.
The Iran-Contra affair was a political scandal which was revealed in November 1986 as a result of earlier events during the Reagan administration. It began as an operation to increase U.S.-Iranian relations, wherein Israel would ship weapons to a moderate, politically influential group of Iranians opposed to the Ayatollah Khomeini; the U.S. would reimburse Israel for those weapons and receive payment from Israel. The moderate Iranians agreed to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by Hezbollah. The plan eventually deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages, without the direct authorization of President Ronald Reagan.[1][2] Large modifications to the plan were conjured by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985. In North’s plan, a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[3] While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[4] there has not been any evidence uncovered showing that he authorized this plan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
Why would anyone need to discredit Joe? All anyone needs to do is listen to the full conversation. There aren’t any questions unanswered about the conversation he and Obama shared if you take the time to be fully informed.
ACORN…ALL DEMOCRATS…ALL FRAUD and CORRUPTION!!!
I just heard Perky Katie Couric going after Joe the Plumber. She told him he should want to help those who need it. He said ‘no’ if he makes it then it should be his to with as he wants. Not the governments to take and use as Obama wants.
What an old fashioned idea.
Oh no I just heard him say he thought we hadn’t been attacked since 9/11 because we took the fight to them in Iraq. Boy is he in for it now!
Linda I will admit I haven’t heard the entire conversation. What did he say that wiped out the ’spread the wealth’ message?
“Social Security benefits will be go up 5.8 percent next year, the largest increase in more than a quarter century.
Next year’s cost of living increase will go to more than 55 million Americans. More than 50 million receive Social Security benefits while the rest get Supplemental Security Income payments for the poor.”
Couple that with Obama Utopia providing seniors a tax break (no taxes) next year and life will be great!
55 million Americans off the tax rolls retired or disabled. A large and growing chuck of Americans paying NO taxes. A large and growing number will receive UnEarned Income Credit (EIC) in higher amounts.
Who’s gonna be left to pay?
“Who’s gonna be left to pay?”
The eeeevil rich!
That other 5%. The problem is going to be finding them. Then finding their tax sheltered accounts. Then getting them to voluntarily bring it back from the off shore accounts and donate to the gov so we can pay back the other 95%.
Hasn’t anyone wondered what is happening to all of the money being pulled out of the market?
News Flash:
“A British couple has been sentenced to three months in jail for having sex on a Dubai beach this summer.
Judge Hamdi Mustafa Abu el-Khair sentenced Michelle Palmer and Vince Acors to the prison term, as well as a fine of $350 and deportation from Dubai after having served their sentence…”
The Emir of the United Arab Emirates, his highness, Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum has pledged to send the entire fine about to fellow muslim Barack Obama’s campaign fund.
“Who’s gonna be left to pay?”
The eeeevil rich!
Whew! YOu had me worried. I thought the dems were going out back to those money trees again. The crop will not be ripe until late next summer or early next fall sooonest.
‘McCain Used Joe Wurzelbacher to Depict His Tax Plan; Ironically He Is in Line for Obama’s Tax Plan’
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/Story?id=6047360&page=2
“Wurzelbacher conceded today that he is not in danger of being hit with the higher tax rate. He acknowledged that he wants to buy a plumbing company for $250,000 to $280,000. That wouldn’t be how much profit he would make from the firm.
He would make much less, he said.
That would seem to indicate that Wurzelbacher would not be subject to Obama’s proposed tax increase from 36 percent to 39 percent for those making more than $250,000 per family. Instead, he would be eligible for a tax cut that Obama is proposing.”
“Parents on Chicago’s South Side are on edge after reports that a man dressed as a clown has tried to lure several children into his van.
The creepy clown, who has been spotted four times in the past week on the city’s West and South sides, wears a wig and full face paint and carries balloons when he approaches children, MyFOXChicago.com reported.
In each case, he tries to coax kids into his vehicle, described in most cases as a white, four-door van with broken rear windows and in another instance as a brown pickup truck.
Area schools are on alert and some have sent home letters to parents telling them to warn their children not to talk to strangers.” Foxnews
Has anyone heard from BlueJay?
American_Way
Come on. Isn;t that a bit, no, a lot, much? I know many on the “other” side stoop that low, but why would you join them?
Wow. Wheat here has dipped to below five dollars a bushel. That’s lower than before the commodity run-up began. Down from over $13 last spring. KState estimates the cost of inputs for wheat this year is over seven dollars a bushel.
I called it earlier. Farm auctions on the courthouse steps. It’s the eighties. Again.
And yet… all those farmers in Kansas will be voting for roberts, moran, and mcsame.
They are hardworking, but I guess no one ever said they were smart.
Must be the fault of the muslims…
“And yet… all those farmers in Kansas will be voting for roberts, moran, and mcsame.’
Thomas Frank is STILL correct. Kansans will vote against their own economic best interests every time, as long as they promise to keep them safe from gay marriage…
Thomas Frank actually said that? Wow!
Did you forget that peanut farmer that created the 80’s debacle? The libs do have a dim memory when it comes to details.
Heh, if grmie would read the book, she’d know.
“Did you forget that peanut farmer that created the 80’s debacle?”
WTF does THAT have to do with anything I said?
Nice bait and switch with the subject change. We are amused, and we do encourage you to try again…
““And yet… all those farmers in Kansas will be voting for roberts, moran, and mcsame”
Hahahahaha! I know waay more farmers who vote Democrat than Republican. Democrats, according to them, “put money in my pocket, don;t care so much about the rest. gotta make a livin first, worry about the rest later.”
Heheheh. The reason the cons hate Thomas Frank is because he is so correct. He has their number, and they just hate it.
Of course, so is Naomi Klein. But they dont read her either….
Officials: FBI investigates ACORN for voter fraud
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93RN9IG0&show_article=1
“ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, says it has registered 1.3 million young people, minorities and poor and working-class voters—most of whom tend to be Democrats. ”
Hope they catch and convict a load of them for felony voter fraud! ACORN….All Democrats…All Fraud
Glad we sold for $8.67
Thomas Frank is STILL correct. Kansans will vote against their own economic best interests every time, as long as they promise to keep them safe from gay marriage…
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So vote for hussein and avoid gay marriage!
So vote for hussein and save the farmer!
Hussein on the Farm Bill:
It also included my legislation to ensure that thousands of African-American farmers would have an opportunity to have their discrimination claims reviewed under the Pigford settlement. For far too long, this country’s hardworking black farmers were discriminated against by our own government, and this legislation offered an important chance to begin righting the wrongs they suffered.
ok.
How about a stamp?
Wheat, a bushel that is.
A racist, a terrorist, and a satanist walk into a bar… You might think this sounds like the opening to a bad joke, but for Barack Obama it’s just a night out with the boys.
Barack Obama from his earliest days as a student has surrounded himself with socialists, Marxists, anti-Americans. He calls these people his friends, his mentors.
Just who are these “mentors”?
1. Rev. Jeremiah Wright – Barack Obama describes Rev. Wright as his mentor. Wright, a former Muslim, leads a Black Theology church in Chicago, IL that Barack Obama attended for more than 20 years. The Trinity United Church of Christ teaches that “the black theologian must reject any conception of God which stifles black self-determination by picturing God as a God of all peoples.” When videos of Rev. Wright hit the Internet showing him asking God to “damn America” and making wild accusations claiming the government created AIDS to kill black people, Obama said he had no idea… that he never heard Wright speak in such ways. Only after Wright condemned Obama for not standing up for his beliefs did Obama disavow the controversial pastor.
2. William Ayers – Was a co-founding member of a domestic terrorist group known as the Weather Underground. The group took responsibility for bombing the capital and the Pentagon. They were even responsible for starting riots in Chicago, IL. After spending years in hiding as a fugitive, Bill Ayers was eventually arrested. However, due to a technicality he was released and escaped ever having to pay for his crimes. He went on to become a professor at one of Chicago’s elite universities. Obama’s ties to Ayers run deep. Ayers helped launch Obama’s political career in his living room. Obama and Ayers served on the boards of two seperate organizations. They often spoke together at events. Ayers even hand picked Barack Obama to head his youth education organization. Ayers also provided a cover blurb to one of Obama’s books and some believe may have even assisted him in rewrites of Dreams of My Father. On 9/11/2001 Ayers was quoted as saying he regretted he did not do enough in regards to the Weather Underground’s terrorist activities.
3. Bernadine Dohrn – Wife of William Ayers and former leader of the Weather Underground. Dohrn was also complicit in the Weather Underground’s terrorist activities. She along with her husband are neighbors of Barack Obama.
4. Tony Rezko – A Chicago, IL slum lord with heavy political ties. Tony Rezko helped Barack Obama make the “right” connections in the city’s controversial political machine. Tony Rezko has been indicted on corruption charges and is currently working out a plea deal with federal prosecutors. Tony Rezko helped Barack Obama purchase a home in Chicago, IL for $500,000 below the asking price. Coincidentally, Rezko purchased the home neighboring Obama’s from the same seller for $500,000 above the asking price.
5. Alexi Giannoulias – Illinois State Treasurer and member of the Giannoulias crime family. Barack Obama endorsed Giannoulias’s bid for treasurer despite Giannoulias having no political or related experience for the job. Barack Obama’s campaign finance accounts are held in the Broadway Bank in Chicago. The bank is owned by the Giannoulias family. There are also reports that the bank holds the mortgage on Barack Obama’s Chicago home.
6. Rashid Khalidi – An Arab-American professor with suspected ties to the PLO, a terrorist organization in the Middle East. Khalidi reportedly used his contacts with his publishers to land Barack Obama his first book deal. In one of Khalidi’s books he credits William Ayers for lending his dining room table to help him with rewrites of his book. Obama also spoke at a farewell dinner for Rashid Khalidi when he left Chicago. During the speech Obama referenced the many dinners the two had had together.
7. Saul Alinsky – Probably the first American community organizer. He authored the book Rules for Radicals which Obama has stated influenced him greatly. In fact, Obama contributed an essay about community organizing to a book titled After Alinksy. Obama has also been quoted telling his supporters to “get into people’s faces”, a tactic Saul Alinsky promoted in his book. In the forward of Alinsky’s controversial book he dedicated the writing to “the first radical,” Lucifer.
8. ACORN – The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now has become increasingly linked with voter fraud. Reports began arising in the 2004 of ACORN submitting fraudulent voter registrations. These reports grew in the 2006 election and reached an all time high in 2008 when reports of massive fraud have come in from every state in which ACORN operates. ACORN is also the key organization involved in promoting subprime mortgages. In the past they worked with Obama to sue Citibank to force the lender to make the risky loans. They have also lobbied extensively for the federal government to require banks to make the risky loans that have led to the economic collapse the country is currently suffering. ACORN currently receives a 4% kickback from all subprime loans, totalling more than $500 million annually. Obama also represented ACORN in a lawsuit involving motor voter registration. He was also recruited by the head of the Chicago ACORN to help train their staff in Alinksy-community organization tactics. Obama also co-sponsored legislation in 2007 that would have given ACORN immunity for any wrong doing under the Truth in Lending Act for promoting subprime mortgages.
9. Ward Churchill – Another liberal elite college professor. Churchill penned an essay in which he stated American policies were responsible for 9/11. But, what was most concerning was his statements that the victims of 9/11 deserved to die because they were capitalists. Ward Churchill has stated he helped train the Weather Underground in bomb making, the very bombs they would eventually use to bomb the capital and the Pentagon. When the controversy from his essay cost him his job, William Ayers wrote a column defending Churchill’s views. Churchill was also in attendance at the 2008 Democrat National Convention when Obama accepted his party’s nomination.
10. Mayor Daley – The current mayor of Chicago, IL. Mayor Daley’s ties to corruption and scandal run deep. His father was mayor of Chicago during the sixties and was linked to voter fraud when thousands of dead citizens showed up at the polls to vote for Democrat presidential candidate John F Kennedy. Historians credit the fraud in Chicago as the deciding factor in JFK’s presidential victory. The current Mayor Daley has been in office since 1981, “winning” re-election in 1991, 1995, 1999, 2003, and 2007. He has been linked to several scandals including the Hired Truck Program in which mob connected businesses were paid by the city to do little or no work.
The individuals Barack Obama has chosen to surround himself with give us a glimpse at how he will approach his reign as President of the United States.
Here’s something JUST for you ACORN nuts:
“ACORN has helped 1.3 million citizens from all parties and all walks of life apply for voter registration.
In most states, ACORN is required by law to turn in every voter registration card – even in cases where the cards are not valid.
It is ACORN that has reported almost all of the issues regarding voter registration cards.
Invalid voter registration cards do NOT constitute voter fraud. Even RNC General Counsel Sean Cairncross has recently acknowledged he is not aware of a single improper vote cast as a result of bad cards submitted in the course of an organized voter registration effort.
A 2005 study by the League of Women Voters and the Coalition on Homelessness and Housing in Ohio found that only 4 of about 9, 000,000 votes cast in the state from 2002-2004 were fraudulent.”
LJ, for crying out loud. WHEN was the last time western Kansas, largely populated by farmers, sent a DEMOCRAT to topeka or DC?
Woof
Farmie wrote, I called it earlier. Farm auctions on the courthouse steps. It’s the eighties. Again.
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Farmie also said:
“Did you forget that peanut farmer that created the 80’s debacle?”
WTF does THAT have to do with anything I said?
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It looks to me like you might have a slight memory problem. Not surprising. But you might be able to get help for it. You seem to young for this kind of problem.
Jesus wept grmie. Carter left office in January of 1981. He was president from 77-81. The farm difficulties started after that.
Whatever.
Only in con world….
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 16, 2008 at 12:26 pm | Permalink
LJ, for crying out loud. WHEN was the last time western Kansas, largely populated by farmers, sent a DEMOCRAT to topeka or DC?
Woof
Maybe it’s a regional thing. All I can tell is is what they tell me . Of course some of that came from the coffeeshop and I would be the first to tell you that cofee shop news, isn’t; But to answer your question, I guess it would probably be Glickman.
IIRC, it was St. Ronnie Raygun who was president in the eighties. And his little dog King George the First.
And you question MY memory?
heh. Heheheh. HEE HEE HEE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Maybe it was different in oklahoma…
Boxlock don’t forget his mentor from 9 to 17 in Hawaii. Frank Marshall Davis. He is referred to as Frank in Obama’s books.
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In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama’s life as a “secret smoker” and how he “went to great lengths to conceal the habit.” But what about Obama’s secret political life? It turns out that Obama’s childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.
In his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a “hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.
However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”
The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/
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The man has never had a mentor or advisor that wasn’t far left.
Yeah. And Glickman represented Wichita, not western Kansas. An urban area.
Okay, You are right about that. However, I lived and continue to live in that district, in a farming communty that is NOT a bedroom community, and not in Sedgwick county. I don;t really know the pattern of Western Kansas, I guess I must admit. Don;t follow it.
My apologies farmie. I am sewing and blogging at the same time and one of them suffered. Actually Carter left a huge mess when he left office in 1981. That is what I was referring to. Why do you think he didn’t get re-elected?
As I recall, there were many, many farm foreclosures and bankruptcies in the 60s and seventies.
So it was Carter’s fault there was economic disaster in the eighties?
heheheh.
I’ll remind you of that in the next four years. By your logic, the problems we’ll have from now until then will be bush’s fault.
Is that also why GHWB was NOT re-elected?
“As I recall, there were many, many farm foreclosures and bankruptcies in the 60s and seventies.”
During Nixon’s time?
I’m glad all the CONS here are blogging away and not doing anything useful like volunteering their money, time, and service to the Republican cause. When Sissyboy McCain loses the election it will directly be the fault of the wannabe’s like Boxlock, Regular, biased, etc that are all talk and no action.
Vote early and vote often!
You know, I knew you would say that. But, to answer you question, I don;t remember. My only thought was that farm problems were way before Reagans term. I guess I could look it up. If I get a chance, I will.
Farmie I found an interesting blurb when doing some research. Let me share it with you.
“These have a marked impact on real demand for agricultural land. Farmers were unwilling to borrow substantial capital sums at
the interest rates of up to 17½% pertaining in 1980, and land prices fell over the next five years (see tables 3 and 4). The
economy recovered from 1986 onwards with inflation falling to a steady 4½%”
Carter left a mess that our boy Ron cleared up. You just can’t change history even in your books tell you different. I remember the interest rates Carter left. So do the farmers that couldn’t finance a new crop.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 16, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink
Is that also why GHWB was NOT re-elected?
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“Read my lips no new taxes.”
American_Way
Posted October 16, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
“Parents on Chicago’s South Side are on edge after reports that a man dressed as a clown has tried to lure several children into his van.
The creepy clown, who has been spotted four times in the past week on the city’s West and South sides, wears a wig and full face paint and carries balloons when he approaches children, MyFOXChicago.com reported.
In each case, he tries to coax kids into his vehicle, described in most cases as a white, four-door van with broken rear windows and in another instance as a brown pickup truck.
Area schools are on alert and some have sent home letters to parents telling them to warn their children not to talk to strangers.” Foxnews
Has anyone heard from BlueJay?
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As a matter of fact, haven’t seen him post in awhile.
Isn’t that Obama’s neighborhood?
That’s the way I remember it OK.
Farmland prices fells in the 70’s, their fuel costs soared, interest rates soared, and farmers debt in many cases far exceeded the reduced value of their assets.
Then the farm foreclosures hit.
Carter was wunnerful!
Farm aid concerts started in the mid-eigties, carter was long gone.
Farm Aid started as a benefit concert on September 22, 1985, in Champaign, Illinois, held to raise money for family farmers in the United States. The concert was organized by Willie Nelson, John Mellencamp and Neil Young, spurred on by Bob Dylan’s comments at Live Aid earlier in that year. (Dylan said, “I hope that some of the money…maybe they can just take a little bit of it, maybe…one or two million, maybe…and use it, say, to pay the mortgages on some of the farms and, the farmers here, owe to the banks….”) Nelson and Mellencamp then brought family farmers before Congress to testify about the state of family farming in America. Congress subsequently passed the Agricultural Credit Act of 1987 to help save family farms from foreclosure.
“Financiation is what this problem is all ’bout. Ya see, we need to make more for less and then sell less for more. I perspectify that this problem would eviserate in a matter of months!. “, the President stated in an interview at the White House.
Phantom, I think your sheets are dry on the line. You should use a stain remover though for those yellow stains.
What about this: “ACORN currently receives a 4% kickback from all subprime loans” WAHHHAAAA!!! Are you friggin serious? If you believe that.. whahaaaa!!!!!!!!
Critical think set to “off”, I guess.
Total Subprime mortgage loans in U.S. in 2007 was $1.2 Trillion (1)
Please someone do the math. 4% of 1.2 trillions dollars. WHAHAHHA!!!!!!
Do the math, Boxy. You really want to stand by that statement you made?
I am opening an A.C.O.R.N. franchise if this is true…. OMFG!!!
(1) blogs.gmanews.tv/francisco-colayco/archives/11-WHAT-IS-SUBPRIME-LENDING.html
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Oh! He came “into contact with Marxist literature” !! If you take a Russian history course you will come into contact with Marxist literature!!
Stay away from libraries! You may accidentally touch Marxist literature and catch something!
WHaaaaa!!!
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Notice that the earlier post points to 5 convictions last year for filling out false registration cards. Five. That is five of eleven convictions that have been documented in these blogs.
Millions of new voters and the article mentions five convictions. Some huge consipiracy!! Lots of accusations, lots of noise, lots of smoke. Many mirrors. But by my count.. 11 convictions. Most of which probably were the result of the community activist organizations pointing out the bad applications to election officials.
It is required by law in most states to turn in ALL applications, even if you notice they are all in the name of Mickey Mouse. If you throw the obviously false ones out, you are breaking the law.
Can’t we count on the election officials to do their job and not send out 100 voter cards to the same address??
““These have a marked impact on real demand for agricultural land. Farmers were unwilling to borrow substantial capital sums at
the interest rates of up to 17½% pertaining in 1980, and land prices fell over the next five years (see tables 3 and 4). The
economy recovered from 1986 onwards with inflation falling to a steady 4½%”
Quotation marks are not a source.
I didn’t say it was a source. I said it was interesting. You can do your own research to see what interest rates were then. I know. I was living it.
For someone who has read A book you aren’t good about doing research. I have read lots of books and know how to to this.
Interesting read about the farm crisis. Only one viewpoint of history. Seems to have started duringthe President Carter administration.
http://www.nebraskastudies.org/1000/frameset_reset.html?http://www.nebraskastudies.org/1000/stories/1001_0100.html
Dredging up the 1950s House Un-American Activities Committee!! WHAAAHHAA!!!!
Joe McCarthy had in his pocket a list of 81 (no. 205, no, 57) communists working in the State Department, too. Well, actually he didn’t have a list. There was no list. He made that up.
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The Tydings Report labeled McCarthy’s charges a “fraud and a hoax,” and said that the result of McCarthy’s actions was to “confuse and divide the American people [...] to a degree far beyond the hopes of the Communists themselves.”
Still, I remember times when livestock wasn;t worth bothering with. When hogfarmers killed off their stocks. (which seemed copletely wasteful to me). That time was 1960’s, I thought. ALthough I certainly could be wrong. It is pretty hazy.
Hehehe. So if grmie wont reveal the source, might we assume it’s a wingnut site? Interesting stuff can be made up, too.
I lived it too grmie. I was right here on the farm from 77-85 before I moved to Texas. I moved back here in 2001.
But then, since I’m younger, maybe my memory is better?
4% of $1.2 trillion is what? Half a billion give or take?
Wasn’t that bad back in carter yrs., inflation was wild, but wages pretty much kept pace. Housing prices inflated, and many people made money that already had homes paid off.
But to answer your question, I guess it would probably be Glickman.
That much is probably true. My ex-family, all Republicans, voted for Glickman.
I was disappointed with Carter’s grain embargo. That DID hurt some farmers. Of course, there’s no way of knowing for sure that it kept prices low. At the time, I suspected it did. But I could have been brainwashed by the ex-family…
The same happened in the eighties, LJ. Remember dairy farmers pouring their milk on the ground? Tractorcades to DC? Dairy cows being shot and buried?
We’re already headed there again. And it wont be obama’s fault.
IIRC, the main reason farmers couldnt get financing in the eighties was because BANKS were going under. No one cared then because, ya know, it was just farmers.
Now, banks that serve urban areas and Wall Street are in danger and it’s an EVERYBODY PANIC situation.
What goes around, comes around. We’re gonna be sobering up with a bushco hangover for a long time.
And it’s only a matter of time before we here the auctioneer chanting on the steps of rural courthouses.
Do any con posters here think McCain has a chance to win on 11/04/08?
I would wonder if HLP, the reckless gambler, would want to put money on a McCain win?
hear
The wheat embargo was a bad thing. But so were high fuel costs, the ASC offices encouraging farmers to plant fence row to fence row, the DEREGULATION of acreage, loose bank regulations, and the high interest rates.
It was a perfect storm.
And it’s about to be replicated.
But farmers prospered under the Clinton administration. And who was his Sec. of Ag?
Glickman
Heheheh. And you all down their traded him in for tankerless todd.
How’s that workin’ for Boeing?
there
Geez. Time to watch Gunsmoke, Bonanza and Daniel Boone. My afternoon trifecta!
From the link provided above:
The first rumblings of the 1980s farm crisis came in the 1970s. In the early years of the decade, prices for farm products were relatively high. In 1973, farmers across the nation had a total net income of $33 billion. By 1977, record crops had pushed prices down, and the cost of fuel, seed, pesticides and other farm costs had risen — net farm income dropped to $20 billion. In addition, the value of farm land — the “equity” or value that farmers use to secure loans to operate each year — had dropped. Banks were no longer willing to loan to smaller farmers. Many were in danger of losing their farms”
It really is a pretty good read and synopsis of the farm crisis of the late 70s and early 80s. I am sure there are others.
The movies “The River” and “Country” both came out in 1984, both revolving around the farm crisis. Figuring a year or two for script and filming, part of the farm crisis may have taken place in 1982. I know it was bad in 1984.
What year did the tractors drive to D.C? Sorry, I can’t remember the name of that protest.
“Do any con posters here think McCain has a chance to win on 11/04/08?”
Crickets
Oh and Pre? World wheat stocks were at an all time high during and after the wheat embargo. That didnt help either, and limited the effectiveness of the stupid embargo.
Carter wasnt perfect, but he certainly didnt hurt the farmers any worse than raygun.
Oh, KFG, I got an email a few days ago from Jay. He is having some computer/router problems. He asked that I let folks here know.
I don’t know about Paul F. Rossel. But, has anyone else noticed that the memes Paul spouts off about, eventually get picked up by McCain and company: Ayers, Acorn, etc. Probably doesn’t mean anythiing, but it is interesting.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 16, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink
Hehehe. So if grmie wont reveal the source, might we assume it’s a wingnut site? Interesting stuff can be made up, too.
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Farmie you really are dense. This was from a farm memory site which I didn’t mark. I posted it so that you could see the interest rate. What is your point? You haven’t made one yet. That is why I said ‘interesting’. I didn’t intend to reference it.
Let’s heed his advice! REMEMBER! America elected bush TWICE. That memory should keep us all motivated!
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Obama warns against overconfidence
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama warned his supporters to guard against overconfidence on Thursday as he and underdog Republican rival John McCain opened a 19-day sprint to Election Day.
“For those of you who are feeling giddy or co cky or think this is all set, I just have two words for you: New Hampshire,” Obama said.
“I’ve been in these positions before when we were favored and the press starts getting carried away and we end up getting spanked,” he said.
more at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE4998X420081016?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
Steven I really at this point wouldn’t count McCain out. It was something I heard last night. Even people that were leaning Obama said a) they didn’t trust him or b) they thought he won the debate but they weren’t going to be electing a debater. This was interesting coming from the undecided that were leaning Obama. Are they really undecided? Are they really leaning Obama? This is why I don’t put much stock in polls especially ones that are this close.
Predestined
Posted October 16, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink
The movies “The River” and “Country” both came out in 1984, both revolving around the farm crisis. Figuring a year or two for script and filming, part of the farm crisis may have taken place in 1982. I know it was bad in 1984.
What year did the tractors drive to D.C? Sorry, I can’t remember the name of that protest.
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Please read the link above. It has an answer.
The movies, and Farmaid, are not the history of the farm crisis.
Okobserver,
I am working this evening and will not be able to make it to the Tiahrt event.
I would still love to meet up for lunch sometime with you and Regualr and anyone else.
You can email me at netthrowaway@gmail.com
Did the Amish/Mennonite peoples experience any difficutlties in farming lately or during the 70-80’s. Just wondering, for they are insulated from energy costs, captital equipment expense etc. Never saw any data on those folks.
Linda:
I am not so much overconfident about Obama, but am very confident that McCain will keep shooting himself in the foot every day up until the 4th. He has run one of the most incompetent campaigns I have ever seen.
The whole thing makes me ask, like outlander did the other day, how does McCain stay as close as he is in spite of his numerous blunders? That’s the mystery for me.
Looks like bush and the republicans screw up has brought Karl Marx back in vogue:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081016/wl_nm/us_financial_germany_capitalism_1
Reason I never liked reagan was because he froze wages, eventually got around to freezing prices, then after a while unfroze prices and eventually got around to unfreezing wages. Screwed over the working man.
And, he was a union buster.
The real voter fraud:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html
But Phantom that is what is wrong with the lib logic. He brought the country back from double digit inflation and interest rates. That was his goal.
When wages go up then prices go up. It is a double edge sword.
As I recall the real interest rate during Carter yrs. was extremely low.
StevenEDavis
Posted October 16, 2008 at 2:37 pm | Permalink
The real voter fraud:
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Steven no laws have been broken. The ‘abuse’ isn’t by or against any specific party but – drum roll please – the victim is the democrat party.
What is news about this article? Where is the voter fraud. Why does the article picture a black person? Subliminal?
Carter wasnt perfect, but he certainly didnt hurt the farmers any worse than raygun.
KFG, I can’t disagree with that.
The movies, and Farmaid, are not the history of the farm crisis.
Thanks, LJ, I did go back and read the earlier posts. Although movies and FarmAid aren’t “the history” per se, the movies (and books) often reflect life. I was just trying to get the simplest handle on the decades. Since I spent the 80’s having and raising babies, I didn’t follow politics and economics to the nth degree, except how it might have been affecting my life. Gee, I’m not Sarah Palin.
You know the old question: Does life imitate art, or does art imitate life?
Joe the Plumber, or Joe the Fraud?:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/?hp
As Jimmy Carter stepped before the television cameras in the East Room of the White House last Friday, his task was not just to proclaim another new anti-inflation program but to calm a national alarm that had begun to border on panic. Inflation and interest rates, both topping 18%, are so far beyond anything that Americans have experienced in peacetime—and so far beyond anything that U.S. financial markets are set up to handle—as to inspire a contagion of fear. Usually confident businessmen and bankers have begun talking of Latin American-style hyperinflation, financial collapse, major bankruptcies, a drastic drop in the American standard of living.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921854,00.html
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Phantom you must have a faulty memory because in actuallity this was what was happening. Does this all sound eerily familliar?
From Steven’s link. What do the words, “violtion of federal law” mean if not the law(s) were broken?
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“The six swing states seem to be in violation of federal law in two ways. Michigan and Colorado are removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election, which is not allowed except when voters die, notify the authorities that they have moved out of state, or have been declared unfit to vote.
Indiana, Nevada, North Carolina and Ohio seem to be improperly using Social Security data to verify registration applications for new voters.
In addition to the six swing states, three more states appear to be violating federal law. Alabama and Georgia seem to be improperly using Social Security information to screen registration applications from new voters. And Louisiana appears to have removed thousands of voters after the federal deadline for taking such action.
Under federal law, election officials are supposed to use the Social Security database to check a registration application only as a last resort, if no record of the applicant is found on state databases, like those for driver’s licenses or identification cards.
The requirement exists because using the federal database is less reliable than the state lists, and is more likely to incorrectly flag applications as invalid. Many state officials seem to be using the Social Security lists first.
In the year ending Sept. 30, election officials in Nevada, for example, used the Social Security database more than 740,000 times to check voter files or registration applications and found more than 715,000 nonmatches, federal records show. Election officials in Georgia ran more than 1.9 million checks on voter files or voter registration applications and found more than 260,000 nonmatches.”
StevenEDavis
Posted October 16, 2008 at 2:52 pm | Permalink
Joe the Plumber, or Joe the Fraud?:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/?hp
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Steven why would you label him a fraud? He said he owned a small business and was looking to buy a larger small business. He didn’t say he was a licensed plumber. He is the risk taker. That small business owner who risks his own capital to provide jobs for others and hopes to make a profit. He is concerned about the tax increases Obama wants to make. That is capitalism in action.
He is a single dad who is raising his son on his own and wants to provide for him. That is what fathers do. They don’t look to the government for handouts.
Now the libs say he isn’t union, isn’t a plumber, owes taxes – and this is important because?? He is a fraud how??
Funny how the party of tolerance throws around labels when they are describing others.
Steven no laws have been broken. The ‘abuse’ isn’t by or against any specific party but – drum roll please – the victim is the democrat party.
What is news about this article? Where is the voter fraud. Why does the article picture a black person? Subliminal?
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There are investigations ongoing.
There are laws against using Social Security numbers as checks against voters. It does sound as though those laws are being violated. Stay tuned, some criminals will be delivered soon.
I’ve noticed that you are hung up on the race thing more than usual today. Is there a reason for that? It wouldn’t have anything to do with Obama kicking you guys’ butts, would it?
Gotta do some work outside on this beautiful day in Kakeland.
Linda and Steven no one is calling fraud. Why wouldn’t the left want the voters rolls to be accurate.
Provisional ballots would be offered to any voter who shows up to find they were purged I assume. Where is the law breaking?
And do you not wonder why there are so many ss non matches?
Gotta go.
okobserver,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1016/#comment-448644
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 16, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink
“Do any con posters here think McCain has a chance to win on 11/04/08?”
Crickets
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I think he has a marginal chance.
He’s being outspent two to one. The MSM does noting but fawn over the chosen one. They refuse to investigate the messiah’s past with even one tenth the enthusiasm they have for investigating Palin’s long lost friends from college.
Despite all of this, Obama the chosen one has failed to close the deal. His lead in many of the battleground states are within the margin of error.
We may be able to drag McCain over the finish line first in spite of himself
“The whole thing makes me ask, like outlander did the other day, how does McCain stay as close as he is in spite of his numerous blunders?”
As you all know, I’m not an obama fan, but he sucks less than mcsame.
And hence, I dont believe everyone not voting for obama is a racist. But…
I think that’s the macro explanation.
That, and as I noted in the primaries after all the talk of crossover, people always “go home” to vote.
And you only need to read here to note how the lines between the parties, the haves and have nots, and the ideologies has hardened. That contributes to the “going home” phenomenon.
I think, unless one side or the other is crushed for good, this extreme polarization will continue for the forseeable future. You can see, that if mcsame loses, the cries of “stolen” will be taken up by the other side.
Another contributing factor is a general disgust with government as well. The cons have succeeded in proving it is difficult to make it work.
Especially when the very folks in charge are of a “government should be drowned in the bathtub” mentality.
I think things in this country are going to get a lot worse before, if ever, they get better.
“The whole thing makes me ask, like outlander did the other day, how does McCain stay as close as he is in spite of his numerous blunders?”
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Many people just vote for the same party every time.
And many are too lazy to notice the “blunders”, like McCain’s false claim that Obama would raise taxes on Joe the plumber.
Y’know…
I really don’t want to go there.
But the Carter Administration inherited a lot of Republic Party s#it from Nixon and Ford. And since Carter was the guy in the office when it all hit the fan, he was blamed.
As much as George WMD Bush hopes future historians might mend his sorry presidency, Jimmy Carter has a much better argument.
LBJ started it. So this is not a partisan argument. But Tricky Dick Nixon continued it. And Jerry Ford’s response to the burning fuse was the “WIN” button. (”Whip Inflation Now” — how’d that work out?)
Twenty years of the CIA shoring up the regime of the Shah of Iran collapsed when Carter was in office. Ten years of financing Vietnam with deficit spending collapsed on Carter by the time he took office. Jimmy Carter in a cardigan sweater was a pretty ham-fisted political gesture when he addressed the 70s energy crisis, but it’s turned out to be no big deal to keep my wintertime thermostat at 68 degrees and wear a sweatshirt.
I don’t like defending the Carter Administration because if you don’t, y’know, consider the facts it’s really easy to fire pot shots at Carter.
I suspect whomever inherits the s#itstorm left by eight years of George WMD Bush will be stained by small-minded people who haven’t evolved past the “First who smelt it must’ve dealt it” school of political thought.
Two nano-seconds after Barack Obama takes the oath of office at noon, January 20, 2009, the CONs will blame him for an unwinnable war in Iraq, the collapse of the American economy, and the Designated Hitter rule.
LOL. even the Social Security Adminstration says that their database is a last resort and using it will produce a far too high a number of mismatches.
The S.S. Admin is even saying that some election offices are violating their Terms of Agreement in the way the databases are being accessed.
I think I still have a WIN button somewhere in my treasure trove of memorabilia.
The attempts of the Nixon Administration, through wage and price controls, in an attempt to stem inflation, helped add fuel to the inflationary fire that Pres. Ford tried to fight with the “Whip Inflation Now” approach, which erupted full force during the Carter years. Add to that the energy crisis, and the effects of the “guns and butter” policies of LBJ and his successors, an economic storm hit in the form of “stagflation” on Pres. Carter’s watch.
McCain is looking more and more as the sacrificial candidate since the outcome was certain, given the lousy reputation Bush has created for Republicans.
I can almost hear top Republican leaders saying, “Hell, I don’t wanna run and get trounced, let’s throw McCain out there, nobody likes him anyway, the damn maverick!”
In the video, Joe the Plumber says he has lots of issues. personally. No sh*t.
“The Iraq war is like Jesus coming for the Iraqi’s” WhahaHAHHAhaHAH
David – and the great thing is the WingNuts get Palin out there as their new leader.
I want someone to ask her about the dinosaurs….
Where is my old “Nixon’s the One” button!! WHAHAHHAHAhAhAH!!!
McCain’s debate example/focus is getting lots of media attention.
‘Joe the Plumber’ owes back income taxes in Ohio
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6062246.html
“Joe the Plumber,” the Toledo, Ohio, man whose complaints about Barack Obama’s tax plan were featured in the final presidential debate, owes the state of Ohio almost $1,200 in back income taxes.”
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More at link re not having plumbing license, etc.
And well said,
http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2008/10/13/daily43.html
“On Thursday, one of the senators representing Joe the Plumber cited his situation at a hearing on the nation’s credit crisis.
“The last thing Toledo’s Joe Wurzelbacher has to worry about is the tax rate he might pay if he is lucky enough to have a quarter-million-dollar profit in his business,” said Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio. “My guess is he needs to worry a lot more about how he is going to finance the purchase of that plumbing business, and what his cash flow will look like so long as residential and commercial real estate markets are stalled the way that they are.”
Wurzelbacher also has at least one other thing to worry about: He doesn’t have a plumbing license, according to a story published Thursday by the Toledo Blade. He told the newspaper that he plans to take Ohio’s plumbing contractors’ license test.”
“McCain is looking more and more as the sacrificial candidate since the outcome was certain, given the lousy reputation Bush has created for Republicans.
I can almost hear top Republican leaders saying, “Hell, I don’t wanna run and get trounced, let’s throw McCain out there, nobody likes him anyway, the damn maverick!””
I can believe it.
“DavidB
Posted October 16, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink
I want someone to ask her about the dinosaurs….”
They were all vegetarian before the flood.
Looks like McCain vetted Joe about as well as he vetted Palin.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 16, 2008 at 3:31 pm | Permalink
“The whole thing makes me ask, like outlander did the other day, how does McCain stay as close as he is in spite of his numerous blunders?”
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Many people just vote for the same party every time.
And many are too lazy to notice the “blunders”, like McCain’s false claim that Obama would raise taxes on Joe the plumber.
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What don’t the dims get here. He said he isn’t a licensed plumber. He owns a small business. He wants to buy a bigger one and Obama would raise the taxes on that one. He already owes taxes he can’t pay so he doesn’t need more taxes.
Dims the party of personal distruction. You went after Palin personally, you are going after Joe the plumber personally. Why not argue the issues? Is your plank so thin that you have to attack and destroy people who dare to question ‘The One’?
McCains chances are looking better all the time.
“Looks like McCain vetted Joe about as well as he vetted Palin.”
His incompetence is one part of this, the other part is that he underestimates Americans so badly. He must have such a low opinion of of us in order to think he can get away with his shenanigans. Makes me feel used!
Ben why should be have vetted Joe the Plumber. He was a citizen who spoke up at an Obama meeting. Obama was caught saying he wanted to spread the wealth around. If that is what he believes then he should proudly stand behind it and try to defend it. Why is any of this Joe’s or McCain fault?
Linda, same question, why should Joe have been vetted? He isn’t running for office. He just wants lower taxes.
I hope the left keeps this out in front of the public. Obama is looking worse all of the time and McCain is looking stronger.
I can almost hear top Republican leaders saying, “Hell, I don’t wanna run and get trounced, let’s throw McCain out there, nobody likes him anyway, the damn maverick!”
They did it to Bob Dole in ‘96.
BTW Linda you have been used but it wasn’t by McCain.
I will be the first to say McCain wasn’t my first or second choice. But the longer I watch him the more I like him. He doesn’t sugar coat what he says. He says what he thinks and damn the consequences. He panders to no one. He is a maverick who goes against his own party on ocassion and well I am starting to like him.
okob – based on the information given by ‘Joe’ Obama’s tax policies would DECREASE his federal taxes.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?postversion=2008101612
okobserver posted October 16, 2008 at 4:19 pm
He owns a small business. He wants to buy a bigger one and Obama would raise the taxes on that one.
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okobserver, you should research more, and rant less.
He does not own a small business. Obama would cut (not raise) the taxes on the business that he wants.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber
“Wurzelbacher, 34, said he doesn’t have a good plan put together on how he would buy Newell Plumbing and Heating in nearby Toledo.
He said the business consists of owner Al Newell and him. Wurzelbacher said he’s worked there for six years and that the two have talked about his taking it over at some point.
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‘McCain Used Joe Wurzelbacher to Depict His Tax Plan; Ironically He Is in Line for Obama’s Tax Plan’
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/Story?id=6047360&page=2
“Wurzelbacher conceded today that he is not in danger of being hit with the higher tax rate. He acknowledged that he wants to buy a plumbing company for $250,000 to $280,000. That wouldn’t be how much profit he would make from the firm.
He would make much less, he said.
That would seem to indicate that Wurzelbacher would not be subject to Obama’s proposed tax increase from 36 percent to 39 percent for those making more than $250,000 per family. Instead, he would be eligible for a tax cut that Obama is proposing.”
HLP,
“We may be able to drag McCain over the finish line first in spite of himself.”
Yeah. By using the FBI to run a Jim Crow block on Democratic voter registration, fomenting violence on bogus claims about ACORN “voter fraud,” and by using Republican state official to continue to throw hundreds of thousands of eligible voters off the voting rolls in places like Ohio, Florida, and Missouri.
The GOP is pulling out all the stops to bring back Jim Crow laws that keep black folks from voting. Evidently, the prospect of the first African-American President has you all spooked.
Wait!
Let’s try to get the facts on Joe before we go any farther with this.
Didn’t McCain say Joe wanted to buy the business where he was an employee? Or something to that effect. Don’t have the transcript handy. He’s worked there for 6 years?
Now people are saying (I think oko was the first, but not sure) he already owns the business and wants to be a bigger one?
According to the link posted earlier, he doesn’t have a plumber’s license, so the first would be more the truth than the second.
So somebody clear it up for all of us!
ksgrm,
“He panders to no one.”
Really. Not even to the “agents of intolerance” (Pat Robertson, James Dobson) who he denounced in 2000, but whose views are now, mysteriously, his own?
Typical Liberal attack on someone who was an unwilling participant in a national debate. Joe “the plumber” life will now get scrutiny and raped by the Democratic National Party and its goons because he dared to ask Osama Obama a simple question.
The party without shame and without remorse, will simply crucify Joe “the plumber” by exposing every intimate detail of his life.
This is just the beginning of Obama’s enemy list folks. There will be KGB style thuggery going on to peel the skin from unwilling and perhaps unwitting victims.
Obama’s new campaign slogan should be:
‘Slaughter many, spare not the non-believer of the “One.”
Want some cheese to go along with your whine Irregular?
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008d.html
MCCAIN: Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years, worked 10, 12 hours a day. And he wanted to buy the business but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes.
You were going to put him in a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, which Joe was trying to realize the American dream.
This is just the beginning of Obama’s enemy list folks. There will be KGB style thuggery going on to peel the skin from unwilling and perhaps unwitting victims.
Maybe he will use Bush’s approach of “extraordinary rendition”
Will ‘Joe the plumber’ get more or less business because of McCain?
And will his, and the owners lack of plumbing licenses be a concern to past and potential customers?
McCain fundraiser accused of “war profiteering”
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:21 PM ET
Filed Under: Politics, Government waste
A company that ships oil into Iraq for use by American forces there “appears to have engaged in a reprehensible form of war profiteering,” according to a letter by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Cal., Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. The company, International Oil Trading Limited, is run by Florida-based businessman Harry Sargeant, a top fundraiser for the presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.
Waxman’s committee launched an investigation earlier his year following a May 2008 report by NBC News that first reported on the oil contracts.
Sargeant, the McCain fundraiser, is the president of IOTC, which won massive Pentagon contracts to provide U.S. troops in Iraq with fuel. NBC first reported on the contracts in May. This summer, Sargeant came under the spotlight again after the Washington Post reported that he was at the center of campaign-contribution “bundling” involving tens of thousands of dollars in political contributions from “unlikely” donors. In August the McCain campaign said it was returning about $50,000 linked to Sargeant’s fundraising.
Today, Waxman released a letter he sent to Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, calling for action on the huge oil contracts. “Over the last four years,” Waxman wrote, “IOTC has been paid over $1.4 billion by U.S. taxpayers to deliver fuel through Jordan into Iraq and has earned a profit of over $210 million.”
Waxman said that those profits were significant. “The IOTC contracts stand out for the extent of the company’s apparent profiteering. Of the $210 million in profits received by the company, at least one third–$70 million–appears to have benefited a single individual: Mr. Sargeant. If the IOTC contracts had been awarded to the lowest bidders, the taxpayers could have saved over $180 million.”
As NBC News reported, Sargeant was sued by his former business parter, a brother-in-law of the king of Jordan. According to the Waxman letter: “As a March 2004 ‘Preaward Survey’ reported, IOTC’s ‘major strength is the backing of the Royal Family.’ In effect, this backing gave IOTC a monopoly on the delivery of fuel through Jordan.”
A lawyer for Sargeant and IOTC has not returned a call seeking comment.
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/16/1557549.aspx
Regular posted October 16, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Joe “the plumber” life will now get scrutiny and raped by the Democratic National Party and its goons because he dared to ask Osama Obama a simple question.
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‘Joe the plumber’ will be remembered as a Republican who didn’t seem to understand the difference between purchase price and net income.
Regular
“an unwilling participant in a national debate.”
It was McCain, not Obama, who made Joe a star.
McCain fundraiser accused of “war profiteering”
So McCain sells his influence? Gee, what an October surprize!
No one had heard of “Joe, the plumber” until Fox & Friends ran the (clumsily edited) video of his discussion with Sen. Obama. Sen. McCain’s advisors (I suspect) saw it, and decided it would make an excellent debate topic, and thus Joe the plumber was thrust upon the political debate stage by Sen. McCain.
I feel a bit sorry for Joe the plumber; he didn’t ask for the publicity, and now many of us know that he doesn’t have a plumber’s license personally; had a state income tax lien filed against him; apparently wants to buy the business, but really doesn’t have a plan by which to accomplish it; and seemingly is in need of the services of a competent accountant. All because he asked a question.
If McCain hadn’t used Joe the plumber from Ohio in front of millions people, there wouldn’t have been any scrutiny of Joe. If McCain had vetted Joe so he knew what the truth was before he used Joe, there wouldn’t have been any discrepancies, and again, Joe would have gone on his merry way. But McCain has a way of using people without vetting. And when he represents these people one way and the truth is something different, it reflects poorly on McCain.
“All because he asked a question.”
Add to that McCain saw a way to use him and you have the rest of the story. Did McCain check to see what he said in front of millions was truthful? I feel sorry for Joe too.
Maybe Joe the Plumber can work on Cindy’s houses.
HOLLAND, Ohio – Joe the Plumber said Thursday he doesn’t have a license and doesn’t need one. Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday’s presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn’t need a license, he said.
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But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations
And it’s been reported that McCain is running a commercial that uses ‘Joe -Obama’s tax plan would HELP me- the plumber’, to attack Obama.
Life can be stranger than fiction.
“But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations”
Out or curiosity, is the business located in Lucas County? Do they do business there?
The Orange County, CA District Attorney’s office has notified a pro-lifer named Tim that it will not prosecute violent abortionist quack Howard Pfupajena for violently attacking him outside a Santa Ana abortion clinic on August 2, 2008. The victim of the violent attack was outside the Clinica Medica Para La Mujer abortion mill offering help to pregnant women when Pfupanjena attacked him. Tim was stuck repeatedly, fell to the ground, and was choked by Pfupanjena, because Tim had attempted to take his picture.
Tim sought medical treatment for lacerations and severe muscle pain after the attack.
The owner of the abortion mill, Bertha Bugarin, was previously arrested and charged with 18 felonies in two counties.
It’s time for pro-lifers to be wearing unconcealed firearms when outside abortion mill entrances. They must defend their lives and their rights, if police and prosecutors will not.
I also know that McCain doesn’t think much of Americans. He uses Joe and never gives thought to what he’s doing to Joe, or that the truth will come out. Does he think (?) he can say anything and simply have it accepted?
But he still has the 24 percenters! See those who admire him, no matter what he says, no matter how untruthful he is.
Is ‘Joe the Plumber’ related to Charles Keating?
by BlueGA
Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 10:05:44 PM PDT
Joe the Plumber, the star of tonight’s debate, may have a very interesting connection to John McCain. In fact, Joe the Plumber (Joe Wurzelbacher) of Cincinnati, Ohio may be related to one Robert Wurzelbacher of Cincinnati, Ohio, who happens to be Charles Keating’s son-in-law.
Robert Wurzelbacher was implicated in the Keating 5 scandal, and sentenced to 40 months in prison in 1993.
Wurzelbacher is also a huge Republican donor.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/16/02217/845
Guess Joe shouldn’t have been asking theoretical questions.
Evidently, the prospect of the first African-American President has you all spooked.
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hehehe
Was that pun intended?
Thanks mxyzptlk – explains a lot!
So, looks like Joe was probably a plant, to shoot a question at Obama.
“parkay
Posted October 16, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Permalink”
I do enjoy parkay’s WEBlog equivalent of a drive-by shooting.
(S)He fires out a couple random rants about abortion then speeds off before any questions are asked or identifications made.
The daily post of b.s. by parkay is like old faithful though.
I normally just scroll when I see Parkay.
Littlejohn, from cruising around the web a bit, the company for which “Joe the plumber” works is located in Toledo, the county seat of Lucas County, Ohio.
Why would anyone take the risk of starting their own small business, and believe me there usually is plenty of risk, if they knows that if they succeed their profits will be taxed heavily by a socialist Obama administration.
It is the ‘risk vs reward potential’ that drives the entrepreneur. If you remove some of the reward side, the interest in even trying is taken away.
The essence of ‘Joe the Plumber’ to our economy is very real.
Joe the Plumber, the star of tonight’s debate, may have a very interesting connection to John McCain. In fact, Joe the Plumber (Joe Wurzelbacher) of Cincinnati, Ohio may be related to one Robert Wurzelbacher of Cincinnati, Ohio, who happens to be Charles Keating’s son-in-law.
Robert Wurzelbacher was implicated in the Keating 5 scandal, and sentenced to 40 months in prison in 1993.
Wow. And Obama may be related to whom? I bet I could find some interesting connections too.
Who frigging cares.
“Littlejohn, from cruising around the web a bit, the company for which “Joe the plumber” works is located in Toledo, the county seat of Lucas County, Ohio.”
Thanks. Perhaps they have a problem. But perhaps, not for long……
“Boxlock
Posted October 16, 2008 at 5:21 pm | Permalink
Why would anyone take the risk of starting their own small business, and believe me there usually is plenty of risk, if they knows that if they succeed their profits will be taxed heavily by a socialist Obama administration.
It is the ‘risk vs reward potential’ that drives the entrepreneur. If you remove some of the reward side, the interest in even trying is taken away.
The essence of ‘Joe the Plumber’ to our economy is very real.”
Who wouldn’t?
It is ignorant to have a mentality that you are not going to try because if you succeed the governement will tax those extra dollars at 36% instead of 33%.
Anyone who thinks taxation is a disincentive to business is not a very good business person.
Isn’t it always better to have 65% of a dollar than 0% of a dollar?
It is ignorant to have a mentality that you are not going to try because if you succeed the governement will tax those extra dollars at 36% instead of 33%.
Anyone who thinks taxation is a disincentive to business is not a very good business person.
Isn’t it always better to have 65% of a dollar than 0% of a dollar?
In a sense, that is true. However, when you add in the fact that you must also pay the other 7 1/2 percent of ss and medicare tax, when you add in the fact that you don;t get paid holidays and sick days, and on and on, it soon becomes more of an incentive to just work for someone else (for more money)
But, if that logic is true, why not 90%. Isn;t 10% of a dollar better than 0%. Why not 99%?
A business does much better when its customers have money to spend. That is why we are now in recession – because we are cutting back on spending.
LOL!
‘Biden questions ‘notion of this guy Joe the plumber”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/16/biden-questions-notion-of-this-guy-joe-the-plumber/
“You notice John [McCain] continues to cling to the notion of this guy Joe the plumber,” Biden said on NBC’s Today show. “I don’t have any Joe the plumbers in my neighborhood that make $250,000 a year that are worried.”
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According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the mean annual wage for plumbers, pipefitters and steamfitters in the United States in 2007 was $47,350.”
Boxlock posted October 16, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Why would anyone take the risk of starting their own small business, …
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It didn’t seem to stop many people in the 1990’s, when the tax rates were higher.
Real voter fraud happening. Felons voting in violaiton of the law.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/17714516/detail.html
Doesn;t say who they are voting for, that I saw.
“A business does much better when its customers have money to spend. That is why we are now in recession – because we are cutting back on spending”
I thought it was the credit crunch. And the eeevil Republicans getting richer. Because nobody can afford their products, because everyone else is poorer. uh huh.
Maybe Joe has a second job … as a paid shill for McCain!
“His boss, Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo, is a licensed plumbing contractor in Toledo, records show.”
“State and local records show Wurzelbacher has no license, although his employer does. Golis said there are no records of inspectors citing Wurzelbacher for unlicensed work in Toledo.”
Another nothing, but we’ll see how long the jackals try and make something out of what they think might be an easy kill.
Most people ‘weigh’ where to invest their money using a risk/reward judgment.
With the high risk associated with starting small business and the weight of higher taxes people will go in different directions.
Only idiots and the mathematically challenged don’t weigh the risk/reward of finacial decisions, like lottery ticket buyers and Dimocrats….but I’m being redundant.
Box, copied your quotes, did a search and came up empty handed. You’re not making stuff up are you?
Bigotbox apparantly, like grmie, thinks quotation marks are a source.
“His boss, Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo, is a licensed plumbing contractor in Toledo, records show.”
link?
And Phantom, where did this come from?
“But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations”
They cant both be correct.
Brian, you are oh so correct. IIRC you are an accountant?
Taxes are way over emphasised as to whether or not to buy a business, expand and business, or locate a business.
The issue is PROFT, not taxes. Taxes are just one component.
Unless you are bigotbox, grmie, or any of the other so called “business people” here.
You guys are really too funny for words. An owner of a plumbing business wouldn’t necessarily have to be a licensed plumber as long as he had a master plumber working for him and running jobs. Apprentices aren’t licensed until they take the journeyman test.
As for the Keating link. Doesn’t matter now if it is or isn’t valid the libs will never believe it isn’t so.
Cosmos is the tax increase on the gross or net of a business. Obama has been asked that question and said he would need to talk to his advisors about it. Joes question would have been valid if on the gross.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 16, 2008 at 5:51 pm | Permalink
Bigotbox apparantly, like grmie, thinks quotation marks are a source
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Farmie after 24 years we are still in business and doing well. Not so good for you. So who should be giving advise on business success me or you.
A good business plan takes into account all factors and then weighs them against the opposition. No fool would go into business and risk their capital in an atmosphere that was unfriendly to small business. Thats a fact lady. Smart business woman you aren’t.
Looks like this is Joe’s real problem
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber
“Wurzelbacher, 34, said he doesn’t have a good plan put together on how he would buy Newell Plumbing and Heating in nearby Toledo.
Thanks cosmos, for posting that.
I guess if you dont have a plan, a license, a price, or a good understanding of what it means to own a business, like say, paying the taxes you already owe…
It’s always easy to blame obama and wrong information about what obama’s tax CUT plan would do.
Sounds like Joe, grmie and bigotbox should go into a partnership.
IIRC, it’s your husband’s business grmie, not yours. Although, we really dont know that, now do we? We only have your word for it.
As for my business, I’m still farming. WTF? People from the blog have visited her and know it exists and who I am.
You? Just words on the screen. You could be homeless and posting from the library for all we know. ANYONE can make stuff up. Which you seem to do on a regular basis.
SOMEBODY in the business has to have a license. If the only two people working the business, then who has the license.
Cons. Gotta love their pretzel logic.
And then when caught twisting and turning, they get mad for being caught…
Farmie you really are too stupid for words so I will quit trying to talk in a normal fashion to you.
The man asked a question. Obama made a very stupid statement about ’spreading the wealth’. The dims are now trying to discredit the person who asked the question. What is wrong with this picture.
Obama will raise our taxes. That is his plan. He owns it. He should be proud of it and so should his backers.
Joe is just a citizen with a question. Why rip him apart? Typical lib tactic. Before nightfall he will be an escaped serial rapist I am sure. Bill Ayers hasn’t had this much investigation.
Sorry
“SOMEBODY in the business has to have a license. If the only two people working the business, then who has the license.”
Should be “if AL and Joe are the only two people working in the business, then who does have the license they work under?
I bet AL is mad as hell at Joe…
Farmie who is mad or upset. You seem to be the one throwing the darts. I was talking about the restaurant you had to close.
As for the license. A plumber contracting license could be held by the owner and the master plumbers license by his lead guy who runs the jobs.
Of course you know all of this because you know it all. And yes I do spend lots of time in the library. I love books and read lots of them.
In my home we share and share alike. We both own our home, our cars and our business. Thanks for the interest though.
“Joe is just a citizen with a question. Why rip him apart?”
He became fair game when mcCoot used him to promote his campaign. Dont want to be investigated? Then dont let yourself be used as a tool.
And grmie, you leave yourself wide open when you post what could be generously called mistakes. And probably more accurately described as lies.
BTW, since you have that government paid for education in business…
You said today that when wages go up, prices go up. Any first year economics student knows that isnt true if productivity outpaces the wage increase, or at the very least, is equal to the wage increase.
nitwit
Maybe Al will go out and hire a licensed plumber now.
Yeah, I get upset when people LIE about me.
I chose to close the restaurant so I could do MORE farming.
If you have other proof, post it. Otherwise, stand the floor up.
And a link to my restaurant website was posted here. It really existed, and someone from the blog visited.
Which is more than we can say about you and the fiction you post.
liar and a nitwit
A vote for mccoot is a vote for people like grmie.
Where was this investigative team when we need them?
William Ayers
Frank Marshall Davis
Sol Alynski
Rezko
and on and on and on
You guys missed your calling.
I couldn’t find where I lifted the above comment, but here’s a link, looks like there may be a limited number of places he could work.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418
Thank you for that endorsement farmie. I knew McCain was a standup guy and now you have confirmed that for me.
A link was posted today that Al and Joe are the only two who work in the business.
Neither is licensed. And a master plumber still has to have a license to operate.
I know stuff because I check things out and then and dont lie about them. And if I’m proven wrong? I admit it. I admitted to LJ yesterday when I was wrong.
But you? Heheheh. Even when you are PROVEN wrong, you wont admit it. Just like you say about Chas. I know you hate that!
liar and nitwit
BTW any first year economic student can tell you that as wages go up the cost of the product mfged goes up and then the chain spreads.
Yes prices go up when wages go up.
Idiot.
HLP,
It does indeed look like CF2K was a victim of his naivete regarding a term whose racist connotations were unknown to him.
Would that HLP were so innocent when it comes to the language used by bigots.
Oh, and HLP? I used the term in question as a verb. Near as I can tell, it operates in racist discourse strictly as a noun. But I will defer to you; you are the expert, after all.
Hee hee hee. HAHAHAHAHA
And when confronted with her nonsensical lies?
grmie changes the subject.
“On the internet, no one knows you are a dog”.
KFG,
How is the farming out your way? Do you raise milo and wheat?
Maybe he should just start a new company and call it two guys and a pipe wrench!
A link was also posted that said they were 1 to 5 employees. You guys throw out stuff so fast you don’t even know what you are posting.
The question is still valid no matter how you malign Joe. And the answer is Obama wants to spread the wealth. Own it. He’s your candidate.
“Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.
He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber.”
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
“Yes prices go up when wages go up.”
Thanks for confirming you dont have even a basic understanding of economics or business.
Google “wages + productivity + inflation” the next time you are at the library to warm up and use their computers.
“A link was also posted that said they were 1 to 5 employees”
repost please. I think you are lying.
Freebird, I farm wheat, cattle, vegetables and chickens. No milo.
farmie I never changed a subject. What do you want to discuss. I grew bored with your constantly calling me a liar when I prove you without a doubt are a nitwit.
Names come so easily to the dims. Not so much intelligent discourse.
Maybe Joe’s going to buy the company, and have his boss for an employee.
okob – you reveal yourself as a wingnut CON with your constant use of “dims”
Ben I only do that when I am personally attacked and frmgrl does that constantly. My name obviously isn’t germie. Does that offend you also?
Does repukes offend you?
““SOMEBODY in the business has to have a license.”
Chickenfarmer,
You are as incompetent at research as the chicken house I imagine you smell like.
For ‘pete’s’ sake here;
“His boss, Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo, is a licensed plumbing contractor in Toledo, records show.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/
and;
“State and local records show Wurzelbacher has no license, although his employer does. Golis said there are no records of inspectors citing Wurzelbacher for unlicensed work in Toledo.”
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/J/JOE_THE_PLUMBER?SITE=MOSTP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Do you need any help opening the links too?
okobserver,
I have been an partner (owner) of our business for over 12 years as well and have had to do some degree of planning and structuring to minimize taxes as it is. Obama is nothing but a threat, and if it becomes too much of a hassle I’ll just go back to health care, as I still have my active license, and to heck with the business.
By that time the Chickenfarmer might have contacted psittacosis and will need my care….hum, won’t that be fun, ie. “Hey Chickenfarmer….this is going to hurt ‘a little’!!!
KFG,
My hat’s off to you. My late father in law was a farmer and income wise it’s the riskiest buisness I’ve ever been around,so many factors you can’t control. He used to tell the joke about the farmer who was arrested for child abuse because he left the farm to his son. Keep being an independent farmer,they are becoming a dying breed
I try to avoid using it – unless provoked by the likes of you with ‘dims’
Joe HIMSELF said there were only two employees.
http://nbc24.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=207948
And with your 6:12 post, you certainly did change the subject.
jesus wept. Even when it’s in black and white, grmie is in denial.
Thanks Boxlock for putting a source here for them to click on. Names come so easily to them but they are the first to take offense when you bite back in return.
Gotta go. Dinner plans with my business owner husband.
‘I’m Not A Plumber, But I Play One On TV‘
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/10/im_not_a_plumbe.html
But even that’s not true, according to the Toledo Division of Building Inspection. Wurzelbacher can’t legally do plumbing work without a license, regardless of his boss’s certification.
A staff person with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection told On Call this afternoon that her division will contact Wurzelbacher to notify him that he can’t work without a license.
“We’re trying to track him down,” she said.
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According to Joseph, Newell Plumbing & Heating is far from a $250K-a-year operation. Newell is running “a two-man shop,” he said. “This is not a thriving business.”
Isn’t there a chance it could be worth $250K? “Oh, God no,” Joseph said. “Maybe if he sells him the house, the garage.” He explained that the address for the business “is where the man lives at.”
“The real Joe Plumbers are for Barack,” Joseph added.
When confronted with the truth, grmie disappears.
So bigot box, are you saying Cheryl is a liar about Al not having a license either?
Lots of folks break the law and dont get cited.
Yet
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber
Yahoo says neither one has a license.
Thanks Freebird.
I like the joke about the farmer who won the lottery, and when asked what he planned to do with the proceeds, he said “Just farm until it is all gone”.
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bth
Posted October 16, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink
“Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.
He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber.”
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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Still attacking someone you don’t know and didn’t volunteer to be in the national spotlight eh?
Same tactic the Nazis used btw in advancing their party.
Geez, if all it takes to drive boxbigot out of business is to elect obama, I might even be convinced obama is the righ guy to be elected.
Reg, it was mcsame who used joe to promote his campaign. Take it up with mccoot.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 16, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink
“Joe is just a citizen with a question. Why rip him apart?”
He became fair game when mcCoot used him to promote his campaign. Dont want to be investigated? Then dont let yourself be used as a tool.
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No, he is not fair game.
The treatment by the Dems is disgusting. The man asked a simple question to Obama – Obama answered.
To tear down the man who asked the question is disgusting and demonstrates the character and moral fiber of those doing it.
If it was a racist question or one of questionable circumstance, then I say go for it.
It wasn’t, leave it be and leave the man be, he’s done nothing to anyone here to deserve this bad treatment.
Boxlock’s link,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/
His boss, Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo, is a licensed plumbing contractor in Toledo, records show. But anyone working under Newell should have a journeyman’s plumbing license or an apprenticeship license, officials said.
Story continues below advertisement
And the county Wurzelbacher and Newell live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses, but neither is licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.
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So is it illegal for Al Newell to do plumbing work outside the city limits of Toledo?
DavidB
Posted October 16, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink
McCain is looking more and more as the sacrificial candidate since the outcome was certain, given the lousy reputation Bush has created for Republicans.
I can almost hear top Republican leaders saying, “Hell, I don’t wanna run and get trounced, let’s throw McCain out there, nobody likes him anyway, the damn maverick!”
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Perhaps this is why McCain picked an unknown like Sarah Palinfor VP? Maybe because no serious Republican woman would run with McCain knowing he would wind up the loser?
Just shows when a Rino identifies with and supports the Repub party, he just ends us screwing himself!
Regular posted October 16, 2008 at 6:43 pm
The man asked a simple question to Obama – Obama answered.
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No, he asked an inaccurate question. The businesss he said he wanted to buy would have LOWER, not higher taxes under Obama’s plan.
Regular – your fight about checking on Joe the Plumber should be with John McCain for using this guy in the debate last night. Did McCain think that the media was not going to pick up the story on this guy? Did McCain not care about this guy’s privacy and went ahead and used the story anyway?
Your disdain should be directed towards McCain and his campaign for what happened to this guy.
This just shows another character flaw of McCain – he just jumps into some tirade without finding out the facts before he is made to look like a doddering old fool.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 16, 2008 at 6:54 pm | Permalink
Regular posted October 16, 2008 at 6:43 pm
The man asked a simple question to Obama – Obama answered.
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No, he asked an inaccurate question. The businesss he said he wanted to buy would have LOWER, not higher taxes under Obama’s plan.
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So a man or woman cannot ask a question to a politician anymore with the press and demagogues of the Democratic Party ripping their life apart?
Duh Libs are for free speech as long as the person is a Democrat. If not, then no free speech for them and you have license for character assassination.
Perhaps McCain should have been more careful, but this is no excuse to crucify a man who asked a simple question to a politician.
Hypocrites
Look at what you’ve become Dems. It’s sad, very very sad.
And I might add, Obama treated Joe the Plumber with respect and dignity, even though Obama knew he was telling Joe something he probably would not agree with.
And what did McCain do to Joe the Plumber? – used him for his own political gain.
Which candidate showed class?
“Young earth” Hank writes, “Mr. Obama’s kind of organizers work at Acorn, the militant advocacy group that is turning up in reports about voter fraud across the country.”
Damn those poor and powerless people!
First, they single-handedly DESTROY the world financial system by being too poor to pay their ridiculously predatory sub-prime loans.
Next, they can steal national elections.
Tomorrow, they’ll leap tall buildings in a single bound and stop a speeding locomotive.
Oh, you poor and powerless inner-city negroes, is there NOTHING you can’t do?!
McCain set this guy up for the press to go digging to get the facts about this plumbing business. Put the blame on the right place – McCain!
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mom
Posted October 16, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
And I might add, Obama treated Joe the Plumber with respect and dignity, even though Obama knew he was telling Joe something he probably would not agree with.
And what did McCain do to Joe the Plumber? – used him for his own political gain.
Which candidate showed class?
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The difference dunderhead, is that McCain, although in error in my opinion, did not expose Joe’s life nationally nor did he dig up and publish perhaps personal aspects of his life like duh Dems are doing.
This is sad.
Look at what you’ve become Dems.
Be warned, it will come back to bite you if you’re not careful.
As long as we don’t become YOU, Regular, we’ll be okay.
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CapnAmerica
Posted October 16, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink
As long as we don’t become YOU, Regular, we’ll be okay.
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Yes, I would hate for you to break away from your knuckle-dragging presence on this earth Crapn.
But I thought McCain and Palin both mocked the role of community organizers? Now they want us to believe that community organizers are so powerful and are responsible for the demise of everything we hold dear?
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mom
Posted October 16, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink
But I thought McCain and Palin both mocked the role of community organizers? Now they want us to believe that community organizers are so powerful and are responsible for the demise of everything we hold dear?
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Community Organizer in the Saul Alinsky method is not an organizer at all, but a Community Agitator.
That’s what the McCain campaign was referring to, most likely.
Again- McCain was using this JOe the Plumber to advance his political agenda and not even caring about what happened to this guy.
We are talking about a tax policy and of course the press is going to find out the whole story – that is the press’s job.
McCain should know how the process works – it was McCain that put this guy’s life in the spotlight – and you still want to blame Democrats?
I’ve got a question – did McCain even contact this Joe and ask him if he could use his question to Obama as an issue in the debate? Did McCain even think before opening his mouth?
Even today at Mccain’s rally he started off with
“The real winner of last night’s debate was Joe the Plumber”, I’d beg to differ, sounds like he was the real loser!
Weird, posted a City of Wichita email about the Walk about Wichita and it is awaiting moderation.
It appears that BrownLib couldn’t have picked a more stupid software for this blog.
One person’s community organizer is another person’s community agitator – it is all the in the eyes of the beholder.
From where I see it, the ones in power see anyone that dares to question them as agitators. That would be McCain with his 26 years in Washington DC.
McCain is no maverick or reformer – he is just embedded politician.
Regular posted October 16, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Be warned, it will come back to bite you if you’re not careful.
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No, it “bites” McCain.
McCain’s small business example probably makes less than $100k, and Obama’s tax plan would HELP that business.
McCain’s ‘Joe’ is not licensed to do plumbing, and reportedly hasn’t paid his Ohio taxes.
And the real plumbers union supports Obama.
Be warned, it will come back to bite you if you’re not careful
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Regular – don’t look now but I think McCain is the one getting bit by all the personal attacks he and Palin have been thowing at Obama. People are catching on to them and they don’t like what they see.
Must be all those community agitators asking too many questions- you think?
Obama will not raise my taxes. I do not make $4,800 a week… sad to say. I am happy you claim to, Okee
more than half US corporations pay NO taxes.
mom
Posted October 16, 2008 at 7:21 pm | Permalink
Be warned, it will come back to bite you if you’re not careful
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Regular – don’t look now but I think McCain is the one getting bit by all the personal attacks he and Palin have been thowing at Obama. People are catching on to them and they don’t like what they see.
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Oh, I see how you think.
You must beat your children if you’re mad at your husband then.
Nice philosophy of life – punish those who have nothing to do with the circumstance of others.
Poor Joe. Now we all know he is a tax scofflaw. We know the business he said he was trying to buy is not for sale. We know that the business does not make $250,000 a year and thus would not have taxes raised by Senator Obama’s plan. We know the healthcare benefits they may provide for employees WILL be taxed by Senator McCain.
We learn Old Joe will keep an additional $500 of his pay under Snator Obama’s plan.
Maybe he should not have pretended to be something he’s not to try to score points.
And now we learn Joe Six Pack is not only bald, but cannot vote because he did not bother to register???????
Poor ole Joe. Beware of those 15 minutes of fame…..
“Young earth” Hank writes, “Mr. Obama’s kind of organizers work at Acorn, the militant advocacy group that is turning up in reports about voter fraud across the country.”
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Good evening Captain!
Actually, I didn’t write it. Pasted from WSJ online. However, I wouldn’t underestimate what those ‘poor and powerless inner-city negroes’ can accomplish with millions of dollars of tax payer money and hundred of thousands of dollars of Obama’s campaign funds.
http://www.practical-instruments.com/
Oh, and 8,000 years ain’t that young!
DavidB
Posted October 16, 2008 at 7:25 pm | Permalink
more than half US corporations pay NO taxes
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What “C” CORPORATIONS pay no taxes?
“S” CORPORATIONS taxes are passed to the share holders and they pay the taxes.
The McCain-Palin campaign and the Republican National Committee launched a massive robocall campaign on Thursday designed to alarm voters about Barack Obama’s past association with former radical Bill Ayers. The committee may be violating state law in the process.
The call begins: “Hello. I’m calling for John McCain and the RNC,” before telling recipients that they “need to know that Barack Obama has worked closely with domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, a judge’s home, and killed Americans.”
More remarkable than the message (coming after a presidential debate in which John McCain said he didn’t care about a “washed up terrorist”) ….
huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/massive-rnc-robocall-may_n_135348.html
Good old maverick, John. This should prove to be extremely counter productive for him!
The very presidential Senator McCain last night:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Republican-presidential-nominee-shaking-hands-Senator-Barack-Obama-presidential-debate/photo/081016/ids_photos_ts/r1772410910.jpg/;_ylt=AujAY6EXHmMQy5Zsha09SbsDW7oF
I feel more embarrassed for McCain every day…
DavidB, Tell me the C corporations that do no pay taxes.
DavidB, Tell me the C corporations that do not pay taxes.
DavidB,
It’s been reported that ‘Joe the not licensed plumber(sic)’ is registered, as a Republican — but his name had a typo.
DavidB, Again, Tell me the C corporations that do no pay taxes.
“The difference dunderhead, is that McCain, although in error in my opinion, did not expose Joe’s life nationally nor did he dig up and publish perhaps personal aspects of his life like duh Dems are doing.” — Regular
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If we leave all these news items out there on “the internets” no one will ever see them. How dare us bring news items to WEBlog!
Of course, if McCain hadn’t used the poor innocent NO ONE would have known anything about him. But nothing matters to McCain except his ambition. Any tool is his to use, and he doesn’t give a diddly squat about who he hurts.
Both Al and Joe have been hurt, but McCain is so unaware of reality he will continue to use innocents in his quest to be as important as he thinks he deserves to be.
If elected, he will use anyone and anything in his continued quest for power.
He has proven beyond any doubt to have no character, a total lack of morals and is incompetent to be in elected office.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RSUA00
On Thursday in New Hampshire, Obama said McCain was misleading voters by proposing tax plans that favor the rich while criticizing an Obama tax plan that would raise taxes only on people making more than $250,000 a year, just 5 percent of all taxpayers.
“He’s trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he’s fighting for,” Obama said. “How many plumbers you know that are making a quarter-million dollars a year?“
I am not a tax attorney, but I am sure you are.
I am just going by what the General Accounting Office just reported…
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.
About 25 percent of the largest U.S. companies paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $1.1 trillion in gross sales that year, they said.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1249465620080812
okobserver
Posted October 16, 2008 at 6:25 pm | Permalink
“Ben I only do that when I am personally attacked…”
This would be inaccurate, you use this all the time. And I bet you wonder why you get personally attacked. I have never seen another poster who so often begs to get attacked. Clearly you are stuck in a very self-defeating pattern. Therapy might help.
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lindainks55
Posted October 16, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink
“The difference dunderhead, is that McCain, although in error in my opinion, did not expose Joe’s life nationally nor did he dig up and publish perhaps personal aspects of his life like duh Dems are doing.” — Regular
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If we leave all these news items out there on “the internets” no one will ever see them. How dare us bring news items to WEBlog!
Of course, if McCain hadn’t used the poor innocent NO ONE would have known anything about him. But nothing matters to McCain except his ambition. Any tool is his to use, and he doesn’t give a diddly squat about who he hurts.
Both Al and Joe have been hurt, but McCain is so unaware of reality he will continue to use innocents in his quest to be as important as he thinks he deserves to be.
If elected, he will use anyone and anything in his continued quest for power.
He has proven beyond any doubt to have no character, a total lack of morals and is incompetent to be in elected office.
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McCain has already apologized to Joe the Plumber for invoking the circumstance and his question and Obama’s answer.
Chances of the Democrats issuing an apology for attacking Joe the Plumber?
ZERO
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StevenEDavis
Posted October 16, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink
okobserver
Posted October 16, 2008 at 6:25 pm | Permalink
“Ben I only do that when I am personally attacked…”
This would be inaccurate, you use this all the time. And I bet you wonder why you get personally attacked. I have never seen another poster who so often begs to get attacked. Clearly you are stuck in a very self-defeating pattern. Therapy might help.
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You Libs don’t need a reason to attack other posters do you Steve?
If a poster is not in lock-step with your way of thinking, that’s good enough reason for duh Dems.
I am really losing patience with the lack of reading and comprehension abilities of the Dimwit-Dimocrats on this blog.
How much do we have to do for you to understand even the simplest of concepts.
“His boss, Al Newell of Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo, is a licensed plumbing contractor in Toledo, records show.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/
He lives in the Lucas County, he works in Toledo!!!< If he doesn’t work outside Toledo where he has a license he doesn’t need one for the county!!!
If a plumber lived in Andover but had his business in Wichita and confined his work to Wichita he would not have to have a license for Andover or Butler County.
Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son’s Bracelet… Where is Media?
By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
September 28, 2008 – 03:53 ET
**UPDATE – 09/28/08 PM**
Barack Obama played the “me too” game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.
Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son’s name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.
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This is what Obama did at the last debate. Where was the outrage? Where was the media? Where were the dems on this outrage by their candidate?
I have seen no “attacks” on the tax dodging plumber who only helped to make Senator Obamas point:
Fact check: Plumber Joe’s taxes
McCain has entrepreneurs spooked about tax hikes, but fewer than 2% of small business owners would pay more under Obama’s plan.
http://www.money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/?postversion=2008101611
Boxlock,
“If he doesn’t work outside Toledo where he has a license he doesn’t need one for the county!!!”
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Does he and/or Joe ever work outside Toledo?
I’ve seen no apology from McCain.
And, I’ve not seen any Democrats attacking Joe the plumber from Ohio. All I’ve seen are criticisms of McCain for telling things about a man that were proven to be untrue! Every post I’ve read has been one of amazement that McCain didn’t vet his “example” any better than his running mate.
When McCain tells a set of “facts” to a national television audience of many millions and it isn’t the truth! Does he expect everyone to just simply take him at his word? He has already proven his word can’t be trusted. Like I said earlier, you would think a man his age would have learned the first rule of holes.
Steven I won’t trade barbs with you. You were revealed for what you were and it must have hurt you because you have been very obnoxious toward me ever since.
I give as good as I get. On that we agree. You all cry that I call you dims but you have no problem with calling us repukes. You call McCain McCoot, McSame,and other names but complain when we call Obama Osama Obama, something he was called by Ted Kennedy.
It is a two way street and I will call a truce but I won’t sit still and let the left throw their barbs with no consequences.
DavidB, I agree that all should pay taxes except for losses. WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE TO STOP THIS?
cosmos posts:
“No, he asked an inaccurate question. The businesss he said he wanted to buy would have LOWER, not higher taxes under Obama’s plan.”
Again nitwit, he never stated, and no one else did either, how much Newell Plumbing made in income.
Ha, have you seen how much plumbers charge anymore, especially if they are specializing in doing certain types of work. They may well take in over $250K and if so Obama plans to take from them and give it to someone else not earning.
Now tell us all about Schedule C!
Myself, I don’t think either party has a canidate worth a plug nickle. The next four years are going to be the pits.
Cities and counties are two separate entities for the purpose of licensing. One can be licensed for work inside a city limit, and need another license to do work outside those city limits in the county that houses the city.
okobserver,
You don’t see the difference between a bracelet, and falsely claiming that a two-person plumbing business would net > $250,000?
cosmos_originally
Posted October 16, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink
Boxlock,
“If he doesn’t work outside Toledo where he has a license he doesn’t need one for the county!!!”
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Does he and/or Joe ever work outside Toledo?
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Hells bells Cosmos what kind of a nut job are you? Who CARES? Leave the man alone. It isn’t any of your business. It is the business of the inspectors of the area in which they work. It is the business of the people who check licenses. Not yours. Not any other democrat. Not Obamas.
Obama said he was going to raise taxes. He now regrets it and is trying to change the subject. Let it rest. It isn’t going away.
lindainks55
Posted October 16, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink
I’ve seen no apology from McCain
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During an afternoon taping of “Late Night with David Letterman,” McCain said he had not yet spoken to Wurzelbacher, and apologized for the press attention he had received.
“Joe, if you’re watching, I’m sorry,” McCain said.
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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/joe-plumber-owes-taxes/
Linda the only word I have seen about vetting him has been on this blog by democrats that are really hyperventilating. Calm down and look at what really happened. I listened to the man himself talk. He didn’t think he was owed an apology. He was glad that his question brought up the subject of higher taxes.
Of course he is a republican. So what can you expect.
“Does he and/or Joe ever work outside Toledo?”
Another dumb ass question, how would I know. That’s like asking if he ever works in Cincinnati.
The point is the business is in Toledo and that’s where it has a license and there have been no problems…..except for dumb ass DimLib questions in an attempt to attack a man that ask a good question of what Obama was trying to do to this supposedly free, capitalistic country. Like changing it into a socialist one which is what Obama’s answer revealed clearly.
It’s like they are dreaming that they will be rich someday and continue to vote against their own interests in the here and now because in their fantasy life they are rich and successful, but the American middle class’s future continues to dim….
Boxlock posted October 16, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Again nitwit, he never stated, and no one else did either, how much Newell Plumbing made in income.
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Boxlock’s link,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/
In Toledo on Sunday, Wurzelbacher told Obama that he was preparing to buy the plumbing company, which earns more than $250,000 a year, and said: “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”
The word is out and McCain just admitted that Joe the Plumber just signed an exclusive contract with a very rich couple to handle the plumbing on all SEVEN of their houses.
If you aren’t watching FOX you have missed some really funny lines.
Thanks, Regular. I hadn’t seen that. I am glad McCain apologized, that was kind of him.
I had planned to watch that show tonight! Didn’t know it could be seen before airtime.
Do no confuse schedule C with a C corporation.
Here is the schedule c instructions:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040sc.pdf
LOL, Joe Plumber Six Pack stands out in front of his house in front of the TV cameras, shiny head gleaming in the midday sun, and we media consumers are invading his privacy somehow? WHAhahahaHHahahhaa!!
He’s lovin’ it. For now. Until he realizes how he is making Senator Obama’s point…
heehe, i knew I blew it when I typed Schedule C !!!!!!
“Myself, I don’t think either party has a canidate worth a plug nickle. The next four years are going to be the pits.”
RightAngle,
I don’t know where you came from but you sound like you’ve got some sense from that small statement anyway.
One word of advise….this place is like a Hotel California, you’ll soon start losing your mind exchanging with the resident loonies, yet you can’t leave.
Save yourself while you can.
If Joe the plumber is cool with the attention then I’m sorry for all my criticisms!
I was reacting the way I would feel if someone used me as an example in front of millions but not telling the truth about me.
If McCain had Joe’s blessings to say whatever he wanted, I’m fine with it too.
98% of businesses will not see a tax hike in Senator Obama’s plan:
… “Tax Foundation estimates there are 36 million income-generating operations in the United States that can be classified as small businesses, using the foundation’s “very generous” definition. Under current laws, the foundation calculates that small businesses pay $1.08 trillion in taxes annually. With Obama’s plan, Prante said, the foundation estimates that “less than a few percent” of those small businesses would be above the $200,000 threshold and face a tax increase.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/09/fact-check-obama-tax-plan-and-small-businesses/
John McCain was hilarious and now Obama is up. The pressure is on. Can he outdo McCain. It’s doubtful.
And his mama was from Kansas.. Ain’t that something???
Boxlock
Posted October 16, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink
RightAngle,
I don’t know where you came from but you sound like you’ve got some sense from that small statement anyway.
One word of advise….this place is like a Hotel California, you’ll soon start losing your mind exchanging with the resident loonies, yet you can’t leave.
Save yourself while you can.
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I have been here a long time but I post very seldome. Read 1,000 times more than I post.
Ben and I go back a long ways but we don’t always agree.
To me it is interesting to see each side opinion and how they are blind to the other side.
Obama is looking for the greek columns. He just said he has the politics of Alfred E Smith and the ears of Alfred E Newman.
I am seeing the Obama I thought I could have voted for.
The dinner speeches are so funny
LOL!
bigot box, unless you’ve been positng under a different nic, right angle has been here longer than either of us.
He is from Krypton. The secret is out.
“It is possible that I am a little bit too awesome.” LOL
He has admitted it. He fathered two African American children in wedlock.
cosmos,
You are disappointing me even more that you already have in the past….if that’s possible.
He never did say HOW MUCH the company made, only that it was over $250K, but not how much. Anything over that amount and Obama would penalize with higher taxes.
Listen cosmos, a friend of mine, I used to work with him at a company I owned 38% of years ago, went on to form a his own medical gas piping company….he was a plumber.
He would design, sell and install the medical gases, oxygen, nitrogen, vacuum, in hospitals, clinics and doctor, dentist and vet offices. He made well in excess of that figure and recently sold his company to another in Florida for seven figures. He started it from scratch, operated on next to nothing and risk everything he had doing so. He couldn’t even afford liability insurance at first, which was crazy risky. He employees approx. 7 people or more. Now, why should anybody else get what he has worked so hard and risk so much to achieve.
You see the DimLibs, want someone else to take all the risk and do all the work but they get a take in what results….except of course any loss if it turns out that way.
Crap on them!!!
Alfred Emanuel Smith, Jr., known in private and public life as Al Smith, (December 30, 1873 – October 4, 1944) was elected Governor of New York four times, and was the Democratic U.S. presidential candidate in 1928. He was the first Roman Catholic and Irish-American to run for President as a major party nominee. He lost the election to Herbert Hoover. He then became president of the Empire State, Inc. and was instrumental in getting the Empire State Building built during the Great Depression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Smith
Well that was the most entertainment I have had in weeks. They were both hilarious. I was laughing so loud my husband came to see what was happening.
Didn’t know that much about Alfred E Smith but I do know that it was great to see that our leaders can come together. Makes me know that it isn’t nearly as serious as we try to make it.
American ingenuity at its finest (with some help from a talented U.K. Designer)
http://www.apple.com/uk/macbook/#designvideo
“To me it is interesting to see each side opinion and how they are blind to the other side.”
….RightAngle
I’ve have seen you post before, but as you say not very often….again a sign of some retained intelligence.
This is the only place know of, at least that I frequent, that the more are on posting the lower the aggregate IQ falls.
And have noticed it also, neither side seems to understand the other…..or wants too.
Still, if you stay here long, please put your posting condom on or you may end up as sick as the farmer.
I sure do miss JFK and his stand on ask not your country can do for you. Both of the candidates are just trying to buy the election by saying what the government is going to give us.
I thought Hillary Clinton was going to ‘bust a vein’ she was laughing so hard about the jokes on Bill Clinton.
She was wasn’t she. Didn’t you love that Bill couldn’t be there because it was the Zorrovastorian new year?
Now this is GOOD!!!
Clearest explanation of what has happened to this country, which as resulted in Trillions of dollars lost.
I challenge all to click through it.
From Prof. Dennis Jantz, 2008
http://www.slideshare.net/JonathanLauer/shot-in-the-fannie-mae-presentation/
Here again, different format:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/shot-in-the-fannie-mae/
‘Why ‘Joe the Plumber’ Matters ‘
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/16/the-real-meaning-of-joe-the-plumber.aspx
So how much is Joe making? Right now, he’s still a plumber, so he’s probably raking in about $45,000 to $60,000 a year, according to government estimates. When he buys that small business, he’s likely to earn more–but not $250,000. That’s because $250,000 is the amount of revenue the business is said to pull in; after expenses–equipment, employees, etc.–his personal profit will be significantly less. Let’s say a still-healthy $100,000.”
So, Box.. let’s do what you seem to advocate and eliminate taxes. How do we build roads. How do we defend the nation?
Obama making a fool of himself out there hitting back on the Plumber, his arrogance is showing big time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqis9mRcWl4
DavidB,
Fella, I don’t advocate eliminating taxes at all, seriously.
I want all people that benefit from government services, which should be limited by our constitution, to pay taxes in equal proportion to their income, or to their level of expenditure and purchases, ie. the Fair Tax.
What should not happen is the establishment and ingraining of a entitlement society where one class thinks they have claim to another’s property.
This country needs to clean up our political processes and clean house in Washington. We now have professional, lifetime politicians that spend money to get reelected, and look at the mess we are in.
Sure we need taxes….but the government needs to remember the money that we earn is ours, and they need to seek permission to spend it, at least justifying the spending and it should be for all of society, not taken from some and given to other just because they have less and someone has earned more.
Mccain and Obama were funny tonight. I noticed mccain used a joke I made earlier about he should give Joe Plumber some work on his houses! Think he stole it?
The bus. Joe wanted to buy pulls in 100 k gross., he’d have a ways to go, to even gross 250k.
Senator Obama, despite the false impression that amateurishly hacked up video tries to portray, is pointing out that a plumber or any regular working Joe or Jane will be better off under his proposals than under another Republican administration that will continue to allow the crushing of the lower and middle classes.
McCain proposes to tax your health insurance benefit as if it was income. Now that’s radical.
With the Bush tax cuts, a family in America with an income of $10 million or more received a half-million-dollar tax cut, while the middle class got less than $100 shaved off their tax bill.
If $43,000-a-year Plumber Joe feels a need to protect the guys making a quarter million a year to his own detriment, well go figure!
“littlejohn
Posted October 16, 2008 at 5:29 pm | Permalink
It is ignorant to have a mentality that you are not going to try because if you succeed the governement will tax those extra dollars at 36% instead of 33%.
Anyone who thinks taxation is a disincentive to business is not a very good business person.
Isn’t it always better to have 65% of a dollar than 0% of a dollar?
In a sense, that is true. However, when you add in the fact that you must also pay the other 7 1/2 percent of ss”
250K is well over the ss contribution cap and would pay no additional 7.5%
“ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 16, 2008 at 5:53 pm | Permalink
Brian, you are oh so correct. IIRC you are an accountant?”
Yes, good memory :)
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 16, 2008 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
‘Why ‘Joe the Plumber’ Matters ‘
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/16/the-real-meaning-of-joe-the-plumber.aspx
So how much is Joe making? Right now, he’s still a plumber, so he’s probably raking in about $45,000 to $60,000 a year, according to government estimates. When he buys that small business, he’s likely to earn more–but not $250,000. That’s because $250,000 is the amount of revenue the business is said to pull in; after expenses–equipment, employees, etc.–his personal profit will be significantly less. Let’s say a still-healthy $100,000.”
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Let’s open up your life to the press cosmos.
Whatya say?
You can be blogged about, ridiculed, made fun of and even stories made up about you.
Come on cosmos, tell us your real name, we’ll do the rest and make sure the national press gets their hands on the rest of your personal information.
brian_nuevo,
You just don’t get it do you?
You are again taking the risk/reward equation out real life business by what you are saying.
If I have to risk my own capital to make money starting and continuing to run my own company, and probably work harder doing so than at a job, why would want to risk it if I know some of the reward is going to be taxed away.
You see I can go to work for whatever $/yr just clocking in and out so to speak, why would I want to risk starting a company with that expense and risk with no guarantee I won’t lose my money unless if there is a chance I will make a lot if successful.
Same with putting an oil well on my property, the expense and risk are very very high, if I miss I lose thousands on thousands of $, if I hit….well, Obama comes and takes it, so why should I risk it.
No one has a right to what I legally make, not you, not BlueJay (gosh it’s nice not to have him around tonight), not the government, why and where do you come from thinking you do.
Joe the Plumber is having press conferences out on his front lawn! It’s not like he is hiding out. We are just analyzing the implications what he was trying to push by pretending he was a soon-to-be plumbing tycoon that feared Senator Obama’s tax plan, which would in reality HELP him and his children.
By the way, Joe the Plumber has a GREAT LAWN!! You think Obama will give me Joe’s lawn while he is carving up Joe’s Plumbing Empire to distribute to the comrades??? WHAHAHHAAA!!!!!!!
“No one has a right to what I legally make… not the government…”
LOL. Yes, it does!!! The government has a right to take part of what you make.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution (the “Taxing and Spending Clause”), specifies Congress’s power to impose “Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,”
The Sixteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax.
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) mentioned “Joe the Plumber” no fewer than 21 times in the course of a 90-minute broadcast.
And the CONs are upset someone noticed?!
“LOL. Yes, it does!!! The government has a right to take part of what you make.”
It needs to be fair and equatable, not stealing from one to give to another is what I meant and explained as well.
I said I had no problem with fair taxation, there must be taxes of course, but it is not fair to penalize some for their success and reward others for not succeeding. Equatable!
Besides people make decisions that determine how much they have continually throughout their lives.
Some spend money like there is a continual flow and save none, others forgo things in life to save. Those saving result in income when invested, they should not be penalized for doing so by taxing away their earnings and giving to those that have already spent what they earned but didn’t save. Do you want your cake now or would you rather save some for later…..but then have the government come and take what results from what you saved as well.
“taxing away their earnings and giving to those that have already spent what they earned but didn’t save.”
Like the little old ladies who get a Social Security check, or do they get a pass?
george posted October 16, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Obama making a fool of himself out there hitting back on the Plumber, his arrogance is showing big time.
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george. . . WHY doesn’t your video document ‘Joe the plumber’s’ claim that the two-person business he wants to buy has to pay taxes on > $250,000?
WHY doesn’t it list some other examples of small plumbing businesses that make > $250,000?
Hint: The plumbers union supports Obama.
I’m Not A Plumber, But I Play One On TV
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/10/im_not_a_plumbe.html
” “He has no license whatsoever with the city of Toledo,” said Tom Joseph, the business manager for Local Union 50 of the Plumbers, Steamfitters and Service Mechanics, which has endorsed Obama. “He has no license in the state of Ohio. He has no contractor’s license in the state of Ohio. He is not a plumber. He works for a plumber.”
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According to Joseph, Newell Plumbing & Heating is far from a $250K-a-year operation. Newell is running “a two-man shop,” he said. “This is not a thriving business.”
Isn’t there a chance it could be worth $250K? “Oh, God no,” Joseph said. “Maybe if he sells him the house, the garage.” He explained that the address for the business “is where the man lives at.”
“The real Joe Plumbers are for Barack,” Joseph added.”
Yep, we should set them and those welfare babies out on the iceberg…
Now if you are thinking that perhaps welfare programs should be be reformed, and more job and life skills training and affordable child day care so the mom’s can work, earn a living wage and become independent….
Welcome to the Democratic fold.
Bill Clinton signed a major welfare act in 1996:
In 2006, he wrote:
“In the past decade, welfare rolls have dropped substantially, from 12.2 million in 1996 to 4.5 million today. At the same time, caseloads declined by 54 percent. Sixty percent of mothers who left welfare found work, far surpassing predictions of experts. Through the Welfare to Work Partnership, which my administration started to speed the transition to employment, more than 20,000 businesses hired 1.1 million former welfare recipients. Welfare reform has proved a great success, and I am grateful to the Democrats and Republicans who had the courage to work together to take bold action.’
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html
“Like the little old ladies who get a Social Security check, or do they get a pass?”
Now David, don’t be dumb!
They don’t need a pass, that is equal distribution as long as everyone has access to it that qualifies for it, and the qualifications are the same for all.
While I would rather be responsible for my own ’social security’ I have no objection to paying it for others to have as long as when my time comes I get it too….same as everyone irregardless of what assets I have saved on my own. What’s not fair is to give it to someone who hasn’t saved and take it from me, or anyone, simply because we have and have it.
Joe the Plumber turns out to be a confused victim of the right wing machine, I fear… he spouted all the talking points he could muster, making up supposed facts….
Well see him on Fox tomorrow – 10 to 1 odds!
He’s been corporatized. A perfect compliment to the Hockey Mom, power-abusing Governor of Alaska.
““In the past decade, welfare rolls have dropped substantially, from 12.2 million in 1996 to 4.5 million today.”
And that was the Republican’s Contract With America, and the Dims dug in their heels and cried all the way along.
The Dims want to reward bad behavior and unaccountability simple to buy votes.
And that’s a fact.
I have never objected to helping those that can’t help themselves, but those that can should be helped with a good swift kick in the butt.
Many are perfectly content to sit on their butts and collect any and all the handouts they can get.
Your ‘pie in the sky ideology’ about the life skills and training is just fine IF and ONLY IF the person receiving is open to trying, there are many who aren’t and think they are entitled to a living off of the government and someone else.
A little doing without, a little hardship, even a little pain is the worlds natural and best motivator, don’t short circuit the ‘natural training aid’ built into the this world by it’s creator.
I am not convinced that the poorest 1% (old widows) need equal access to social security checks as the richest 1% (other old widows) .. that is another discussion.
I do not know if you make 250,000 a year or not, but I am certain those that do really appreciate your looking out for their interests… that additional $1,400 in taxes might make them cry…
Thanks for the civil discussion. over and out.
“The Dims want to reward bad behavior and unaccountability simple to buy votes.” Ya just can’t resist, can you? The Democrats I know are not dim, are patriotic Americans of compassion and good will. You should meet some someday.
I take back the thanks for the civil discussion…
“Kansas values(sic)” Regular posted October 16, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Let’s open up your life to the press cosmos.
Whatya say?
You can be blogged about, ridiculed, made fun of and even stories made up about you.
Come on cosmos, tell us your real name, we’ll do the rest and make sure the national press gets their hands on the rest of your personal information.
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Multi-nic’d Regular, you’re very confused.
I have NOT publicly claimed that Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo would have to pay higher taxes under Obama’s tax plan.
All that ‘Joe the not licensed plumber’ has to do to stop the “ridicule” (and help Sen. McCain) is convince the owner, Al Newell, to release his tax documents that support Joe’s > $250,000 claim.
Oh DavidB,
Sorry if I offended you…we did manage to converse for a little while. Maybe we can build on that.
I don’t mean to offend but I honestly believe that many Democrats (see I can spell it) do in fact try and buy certain segments of societies votes by offering ‘freebies’, earned by someone else.
That’s simply the way I see it.
Good night
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DavidB
Posted October 16, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink
“The Dims want to reward bad behavior and unaccountability simple to buy votes.” Ya just can’t resist, can you? The Democrats I know are not dim, are patriotic Americans of compassion and good will. You should meet some someday.
I take back the thanks for the civil discussion…
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What a D.A.
Doesn’t know the difference between a personal attack and an attack on an ideology.
If you want civil discussion, try not posting the hogwash you do several times daily.
Hypocrite
Regular posted October 16, 2008 at 11:43 pm
What a D.A.
Doesn’t know the difference between a personal attack and an attack on an ideology.
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Regular is an expert on “personal attacks”.
Regular falsely claimed: “The truth hurts when told, the Sierra Club screwed the Levees in New Orleans.”
Here are some examples of Regular’s proof(sic) of that false claim, and his “civil discussion”.
“cosmos gasbagging his way to more one liners of attack. It’s not a wonder that cosmos large intestines are the size of fire hose and just as deadly with the expulsion of stinky fumes.”
“I have no idea why cosmos has such a ‘hard on’ for the Sierra Club. Maybe he’s a local president of them, I don’t know. But he’s definetely in butt lust with them.”
“Yet more of cosmos denials and lies and his incessant lustful butt thrusting about the Sierra Club.
Once again, cosmos changes his story to suit the occasion. An incessant liar and toe licker for the Sierra Club.”
“I wonder if cosmos attentions to the Sierra Club involve courtship or is it just a straight illicit affair?”
blah blah blah cosmos.
You must be a real gem to live with. One of the biggest causes of divorce is when couples keep bringing things up over and over to use as a verbal assault on others.
It’s also one of the main reasons countries go to war.
But do carry on cosmos, show everyone the content of your character, however small it is.
Sacramento GOP: Waterboard Obama
October 15th, 2008, 8:19 PM EDT
Sacramento GOP leaders scrubbed from their website material linking Obama to Osama and urging people to “waterboard Obama.” Taking credit is Sacramento Party Chair Craig MacGlashan, husband of Sacramento County Supervisor Roberta MacGlashan.
“I’m aware of the content,”he said. “Some people find it offensive, others do not. I cannot comment on how people interpret things.”
Concurrent with this, there was graffiti sprayed on a local Obama display with a racial epithet, profanity, “KKK” and “white power.”
By Tuesday night, much of the questionable material – which ranged from depicting Obama in a turban to attacking Michelle Obama – had been removed, replaced with political cartoons attacking Obama.
Also removed were the words, ” Be afraid. Be very afraid” of Obama. What they really ought to be afraid of is the atmosphere they’re creating in this country…and of losing big time.
http://www.alan.com
We really need to wipe out such Blatant Racism if we hope to have a safe election.
I don’t take it personally, I was just disappointed to see a baseless, false and spurious piece of jingoism trotted out.