Open thread 10/10

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  1. Maggotpunk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    Uh oh, evolution being proven to be factual again. The creationists? Well, they’re too busy whining to be bothered with producing any actual science.

    Scientists Discover Fish in Act of Evolution in Africa’s Greatest Lake

    This may be remarkable because what is causing them to diverge are adaptations to their vision as animals and plants try to cope with increased pollution and the effects of climate change. The change is also happening without geographical isolation, which was thought to be a precursor for evolution.

    The Pundamilia nyererei is a haplochromine type cichlid native to areas in the Mwanza Gulf region of Lake Victoria. This region consists of many islands where each island region has its own color variant of the fish.

    In a report published in the journal Nature, researchers from Tokyo’s Institute of Technology and the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science and Technology have observed the cichlid evolve into a new species better adapted in sighting its prey and predator.

    More at:
    http://ecoworldly.com/2008/10/07/scientists-discover-fish-in-act-of-evolution-in-africas-greatest-lake/

  2. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    Brunner’s ballot policy illegal, judge rules
    Thursday, October 9, 2008 8:09 PM
    BY DARREL ROWLAND AND MARK NIQUETTE
    THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
    Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner is breaking federal law by not giving county elections boards the chance to determine whether new voter registrations are fraudulent, a federal judge ruled this evening.

    “It is hard to imagine a public interest more compelling than safeguarding the legitimacy of the election of the president of the United States,” said Judge George C. Smith of U.S. District Court in Columbus in upholding the Ohio Republican Party’s request for a court order.
    Snip

    Smith specifically cited questionable activity of one group that registered thousands of new Ohio voters: the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN.

    Snip

    “Her refusal to comply with federal law raises serious concerns about her ability to objectively oversee this election. It’s especially troubling in light of her connection to ACORN and that group’s stunning confession this week of fraudulent registration activity happening right here in Ohio,” DeWine said.

    An ACORN representative is on a Brunner advisory committee, while Republicans say Obama has “strong ties” to ACORN, serving in the past as an attorney and “leadership trainer” for the group.

  3. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/07/there-seems-to-be-point-rapidly.html

    “There’s just something creepy about the blue the “bama campaign uses for everything. It’s just not right, not American, somehow. It doesn’t feel like a presidential campaign, but a promotion for American Idol, or for a new cult. It’s just creepy.

    Now, Obama’s setting up 2-day camping trips where you can “come to Obama” and commune together with assorted other crazies, in the woods, where no one can hear you scream. “

  4. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/09/acorn.html?sid=101

    forgot a link

  5. Maggotpunk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:08 am | Permalink

    Heckler, I think you just created a plot for a new horror movie. The politician that just wouldn’t die! However, I’d cast McCain in the lead role. That guy died in 2006 but nobody told him.

  6. JWink
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    Looks like Wichita’s “Good Old Boy (and Girl) Network” is running scared of Sedgwick County Commissioner candidates, Karl Peterjohn and Craig Gabel, by attempting to axe them in the EAGLE newspaper. These two candidates are the only hope of the people of Sedgwick County to get control of the wild spending of their tax money by the
    “fluff,” local and county politicians we have now.

    Notice the EAGLE presents no information on the background and experience of their opponents.

  7. JMWalker
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    Heck, I doubt the Democrats have a monopoly on voter fraud. The Republicans might just do time over this one:

    Investigation into Trashed Voter Registrations

    (Oct. 13) — Federal, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News.

    An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters.

    The allegations have set off a political firestorm stretching from Las Vegas to Washington D.C., and beyond.

    As with everything else in this election year, it’s now become a political football being tossed between the two parties, with charges and countercharges, but at its core, there still remains the matter of registration forms that were ripped up and tossed in the trash.

    Who did it, and why? That’s what official agencies will try to determine. On Tuesday afternoon, Las Vegan Eric Russell and his girlfriend took a packet of documents to the Las Vegas FBI office but left before filing a formal complaint about what Russell says was a deliberate effort to disenfranchise local voters.

    Russell worked for a company called Voters Outreach of America, along with 300 other people. He says he got into a beef with the company over a pay dispute, and witnessed his bosses ripping up registration forms that had been filed by democrats.

    “They were thrown away in the trash. I grabbed them out,” said Eric Russell. One of those forms belonged to Daren Gray, who was shocked to learn that the re-registration form he filled out was never turned in.

    “I’m pretty mad, upset. I’m still gonna vote,” said Daren Gray. Russell doesn’t know how many democratic registrations were tossed in the trash but guesses the number could be very high since Voters Outreach of America operated in Las Vegas for more than two months.

    The FBI confirms that it is gathering information about the case but stopped short of calling it an investigation, saying it wants to talk to Russell again. Secretary of State Dean Heller issued a statement that his office is also taking a look, trying to figure out what if any laws might have been violated.

    Nevada Democrats came out swinging Wednesday. “Most disturbing is that Voter Outreach of America is being paid by the National Republican Party and we ask how can people have faith in government if a national party is involved in trickery in depriving people the right to vote,” said Clark County Commissioner Yvonne Atkinson Gates.

    The Republican National Committee acknowledges that it hired Voters Outreach of America to register voters, but in a statement said it had zero tolerance for any kind of fraud.
    http://www.klas-tv.com/global/story.asp?s=2421595

  8. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Maggot

    I disagree with your casting choice. McCain is too obvious as the monster. Good horror movies suck the other characters into trusting the bad guy, even though the audience see’s the worm in the white of the monsters eye and they’re screaming “run,run, don’t go in there you ditz!!!”

    Maybe McCain for a cheezy slasher type movie, but Obama for the really sophisticated gut wrenching twister style of horror movie.

  9. Maggotpunk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    If anyone is worried that a Republican may have taken away someone’s right to vote, you can check if you are still registered at:

    http://www.canivote.org

    This public service message brought to you by a Democrat because Democrats support higher voter turnout.

  10. Maggotpunk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    C’mon Heckler, haven’t you ever seen McCain’s creepy smile? He’d give the Joker chills.

  11. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    JM

    I don’t believe I ever said that Republicans never cheat. I’ve been drilling about major organizations like ACORN who everyone knows is dirty. And how Democrats make excuses for them and send them more money.

    Did you know Obama campaign gave ACORN $800,000 to register new voters?

  12. Maggotpunk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Massive voter purges going on in swing states like Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina. Naturally the officials are claiming they aren’t doing anything illegal. Perhaps not, let’s just hope it isn’t like the Republican purges in Ohio (2004) and Florida (2000) where a Republican supporting company from Texas was hired to do the purges.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_purges

  13. Maggotpunk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    Black man says he took an “ass whooping” for supporting McCain. McCain responds that he is grateful but he won’t do anything for him but when he’s dead he’ll benefit.

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Black_man_to_McCain_Ive_taken_1009.html

    McCreepy.

  14. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    Maggot

    Sure he’s got a twisty smile, but it’s too obvious for a really good scary guy flick.

    McCains slasher material. Obama’s more for the truly scary type of movie.

    I just can’t think of a good example of a great horror movie. Havent seen one in a long time.

  15. Hud
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    Hello, my name is Test Person and I want to donate to your campaign.

    Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/politics/10donate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

  16. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    …although McCain could probably fill in really well for Nicholson in the Shining.

  17. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    I generally despise Glenn Beck, but now that may be changing. I think he MAY be waking up. Listen to him and absorb it. Although, he may be just another tin-foiler like me.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD_ZIs4zlDQ&eurl=http://www.infowars.com/?p=5202

  18. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    We remember Hitler calling for it in Mein Kampf and on September 11, 1991, Bushco called for it. Colorado Senator, Gary Hart and Bill Clinton as well.

    All of these people have (and had) one thing in common, they don’t care about you. Obama and McCain are CFR members that also don’t care about you or I.

    You’ll figure it out someday. And you’ll remember all of my “rantings”.

  19. Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    “Heckler” channels his inner Roger Ebert –

    “…McCain could probably fill in really well for Nicholson in the Shining.”

    The insane guy who kept living in the past?

    Yeah. I’ll grant you that.

  20. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    QUOTE O’THE DAY

    “Jim Jones was a Community Organizer”

    (don’t know who said it, maybe Hillary)

  21. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Monkey”boy” the uber biggott begins his daily spout of bile.

  22. JMWalker
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:53 am | Permalink

    Right, heck, and the republican national committee gave $500,000 to Voter Outreach of America, who are now under investigation in Arizon, California and Nevada for voter fraud.

  23. Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Yeah, “Heckler” –

    I confess to be “biggotted” against insane people occupying the Oval Office.

  24. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    I was sent this and thought it was worth passing on.

    How racism works:

    What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
    What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

    What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
    What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

    What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said ‘I do’ to?
    What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer
    measured up to his standards?

    What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain
    killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
    What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

    If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election
    numbers would be as close as they are?

    This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive
    qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when
    there is a color difference.

    You are The Boss… which team would you hire?

    With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened
    dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures,
    etc. consider…

    Educational Background:

    Obama:
    Columbia University – B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
    International Relations.
    Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

    Biden:
    University of Delaware – B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
    Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)

    vs.

    McCain:
    United States Naval Academy – Class rank: 894 of 899

    Palin:
    Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester
    North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study
    University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism
    Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester
    University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in Journalism

    Now, which team are you going to hire ?

  25. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Can This Be Pro-Life?

    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
    Published: October 8, 2008
    The Bush administration this month is quietly cutting off birth control supplies to some of the world’s poorest women in Africa.

    Thus the paradox of a “pro-life” administration adopting a policy whose result will be tens of thousands of additional abortions each year — along with more women dying in childbirth.

    The saga also spotlights a clear difference between Barack Obama and John McCain. Senator Obama supports U.N.-led efforts to promote family planning; Senator McCain stands with President Bush in opposing certain crucial efforts to help women reduce unwanted pregnancies in Africa and Asia.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/opinion/09kristof.html?em

  26. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    I know this may sound callous, but with our current financial crisis, can we really afford to do things like provide birth control for other countries?
    Maybe it’s time we step back and let other countries handle their own problems. We have enough of our own right now.

  27. Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Dunno if “ksfarmgrrl” is awake yet. It’s perfect sleeping weather this morning but I got an early start.

    Anyway, she mentioned “…the cat was cool and never said a mumblin’ word.”

    I thought I’d share my absolute favorite Hoyt Axton song.

    There’s no video, just a recording from a kinda scratchy hunk of vinyl.

    But I love this song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCF8EuPBGQs

    It’s one of those three-minute novels only the best songwriters can write.

  28. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMx2F41XD0&eurl=http://www.infowars.com/?p=5198

    Here’s something else to ponder…if you have the time.

  29. samkan
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    What does this prove? Virgin Birth? Reverse Evolution? Or, as in the famous line from Jurassic park, “Life will find a way”?

    from CNN:

    RICHMOND, Virginia (AP) — Scientists have confirmed the second case of a “virgin birth” in a shark.

    A blacktip shark in the wild patrols the vast expanse of the Indian Ocean.

    In a study reported Friday in the Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female blacktip shark in a Virginia aquarium contained no genetic material from a male.

    The first documented case of asexual reproduction, or parthenogenesis, among sharks involved a pup born to a hammerhead at an Omaha, Nebraska, zoo.

    “This first case was no fluke,” Demian Chapman, a shark scientist and lead author of the second study, said in a statement. “It is quite possible that this is something female sharks of many species can do on occasion.”

    The scientists cautioned that the rare asexual births should not be viewed as a possible solution to declining global shark populations. The aquarium sharks that reproduced without mates each carried only one pup, while some species can produce litters of a dozen or more.

    “It is very unlikely that a small number of female survivors could build their numbers up very quickly by undergoing virgin birth,” Chapman said.

    The medical mystery began 16 months ago after the death of Tidbit, a blacktip shark that had lived for eight years at the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center in Virginia Beach. No male blacktip sharks were present during her eight years.

    In May 2007, the 5-foot, 94-pound shark died after it was given a sedative before undergoing a yearly checkup. The 10-inch shark pup was found during a necropsy, surprising aquarium officials. They initially thought the embryonic pup was either the product of a virgin birth or a cross between the blacktip and a male of another shark species — which has never been documented, Chapman said.

    Tidbit’s pup was nearly full term, and likely would have been quickly eaten by “really big sand tiger sharks” that were in the tank, Chapman said in a telephone interview from Florida.

    That is what happened to the tiny hammerhead pup in the Omaha case.

    “By the time they could realize what they were looking at, something munched the baby,” he said of aquarium workers. The remains of the pup were used for the DNA testing.

    Virgin birth has been proven in some bony fish, amphibians, reptiles and birds, and has been suspected among sharks in the wild.

    The scientists who studied the Virginia and Nebraska sharks said the newly formed pups acquired one set of chromosomes when the mother’s chromosomes split during egg development, then united anew.

    Absent the chromosomes present in the male sperm, the offspring of an asexual conception have reduced genetic diversity and, the scientists said, may be at a disadvantage for surviving in the wild. A pup, for instance, can be more susceptible to congenital disorders and diseases.

  30. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    “Senator Obama supports U.N.-led efforts to promote family planning”.

    You mean eugenics?

    I’m sure Obama like McCain would approve of The Tuskegee experiments as well. That’s Obama’s job, to lull and lead his people to accept more ruin. We already know McCain’s job (100 years of war and to carry on Bushco). This is precisely what makes Obama dangerous, the wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s a Judas Goat and nothing more.

  31. outlander
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Are you caught in the grip of fear as your mutual funds lose their value? A lot of the rest of the world is too. Fearing loss, we unload our stocks and thereby, it becomes a self-fulfilling fear. Then, now fearing the market, we miss the coming recovery. And make no mistake, there will be a recovery, a big one.

    Fear comes easy to the secular world. When we place our trust in money, government, politicians, and the things of the world, it is easy to be let down and fearful and uncertain when things come crashing down.

    But there is a different way. A different place to put your trust and your faith. And fear cannot exist in the presence of true faith. What does God say about worry and fear?

    ——

    Matthew 6:25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life[b]?

    28″And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

    ————

    And also:

    ————

    Matthew 6:19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

    —————

    Let go. Let God.

  32. HLP
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    hehehe

    It seems the Chosen One, the mulatto messiah, BHO, did not write his memoirs. There is a lot of evidence that ‘just some guy in the neighborhood’ wrote them for him!

    hehehe

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html

  33. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Obama tried to sway Iraqis on Bush deal
    In private conversations on troop presence, candidate pitched delay.

    http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-sought-to-sway-iraqis-on-bush-deal/

    “Iraqi leaders purported to The Times that Mr. Obama urged Baghdad to delay an agreement with Mr. Bush until next year when a new president will be in office – a charge the Democratic campaign denies.”

    The Dimocrates are liars and Obama an ass.

  34. earthdoctor
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Why don’t we the USA pull out of Iraq? That would make some people happy with us since most of the world did not support that action. Perhaps the largest majority of the world is sick and tired of our military dominance
    and abuse of power.

    Forget Afghanistan too. If there was a real enemy in that location it is my belief BUSHCO lost that opportunity.

    Since the USA has the mightiest military in the world perhaps economic
    pressure from the world is a way to stop the PNAC mission of worldwide military domination?

    http://oldamericancentury.org/pnac_timeline.htm

  35. HLP
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Hey outlander,

    I’m patiently waiting.

    Our investments will come back, we’re diversified enough to weather the storm. In the mean time, we’re liquid enough to buy big at the bottom.

    Patiently waiting. It always comes back.

    hehehe

  36. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Maggot,
    I laugh at you, not with you, what with your constant everyday leading post about evolution.
    Who are you trying to convince?
    You certainly can’t convince anyone of faith in the creator, so either you are naive and foolish to try, or as I suspect very insecure yourself.
    I suspect it must be your own insecurity about your own position that creates such an obsession.
    Keep it up, it just confirms my suspicions of how really lost you are.

  37. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    When you tithe in the future, don’t give that 10th to that stinking, rotten building. Don’t give the money up for the energy bills for that shethole. Give a 10th of your time and money helping these families that are soon to be helpless out. That “church” is dead. You may not get to show off your latest fancy church wear and pat each other on the back as you all feel pious together. But you’ll be right in Yahushua’s eyes.

  38. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    HLP,
    The problem this time I feel is confidence. Read:

    “A Confidence Crisis

    Confidence in the future is far and away the most critical factor affecting our economy, banking system and the stock market. If you do not have confidence in the future of our nation, why would anyone buy a new house? With no confidence in the future, why should a bank loan money to anyone as it requires future repayment? And if there is no confidence in the future, what is the incentive to buy stocks, which represent a bet on future economic growth? In our 48 years as a professional student of the stock market, we have never seen confidence as low as it is today, and there have been many scary events during that period. Folks are totally focused on the news of the day and are making long- term investment decisions based on these events. The financial news media is all gloom-and-doom, and anyone with anything optimistic to say is hammered.

    We Americans are hit all day long with very scary current events, but few are discussing the future because confidence is almost nonexistent. In this presidential election year, debates are almost totally about the economy and about pointing fingers. World events and terrorism, which are very critical to our future, are almost being ignored. Americans are in a very depressed mood, and out of depression comes fear and usually bad investment decisions. This lack of confidence in the future is very understandable. Since Jan. 1, the U.S. stock market is down 25%, foreign markets 32% and emerging markets 40%. Last Monday, Sept. 29, the stock market lost about $1 trillion of its value. No one — rich, poor or middle class — is unaffected, but why is confidence so low?”

    Anyone getting close to retirement has got to be dismayed and worried to some extent. After all, even if one believes it will turn around and come back, how much time will it take and will it do so in the time frame of needing the investments.
    I have some cash and about three and a half years ago started to lose some confidence and put some in physical gold and silver which has grown and holding in value, but still most is in the market betting on the country and helping it grow. What scares me is how many people are not perceptive enough to see that although there is PLENTY of blame to go around the Democrats are largely responsible and it looks like it’s about to get a whole lot worse…..it’s hard to gain confidence when one loses it in the American people. After all that’s really what the country is all about.

  39. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    The only terrorists are STATE SPONSORED. And that includes the USA Inc.

    Gulf of Tonkin Incident
    The USS Liberty Attack
    Operation Ajax
    Operation Northwoods
    Alfred P. Murrah Building OKC
    The First Attack on the WTC
    9-11

    I fear no terrorist.

  40. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    And The Waco Seige where “our loving government” killed scoes of children by roasting them.

    Quite terrifying for the little ones I’m sure.

  41. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    “…Democrats are largely responsible”

    That’s quite a “coming together”, to slide that in there. Sheesh.

  42. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Pleefer,
    If you ever went to church you would soon realize that everyday folks gain great comfort by being there and associating with fellow Christians, strengthening them to live there lives.
    The money given to the ‘Church’ goes toward all kinds of beneficial things not simply the ‘building’, although that is very important in and of itself.
    Personally helping others is fine, and we should all do that, and that is done within the Church, but to simply give money to people without any goes nowhere. There is a reason they have none and that reason will result in why any given, as you seem to suggest, will be squandered.

  43. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    “Democrats support higher voter turnout.”

    Even if you are dead, vote often, or use a Dallas Cowboy Team members name.

  44. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    I wonder if those that think that GWB is a “Christian” know that he and John Kerry both are “Bonesmen” and in their initiation, stripped naked and jerked off while spilling their sexual secrets to the other ones in the room????

    I wonder if those folks know that he goes to the Bohemian Grove where they “mock” sacrifice people to a giant stone owl???

    Christianity has came a long way!!!!!!!!!!

  45. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Did someone mention ACORN today?

    HOW ACORN GOT ME INTO VOTE SCAM

    Posted: 4:31 am
    October 9, 2008

    CLEVELAND – Two Ohio voters, including Domino’s pizza worker Christopher Barkley , claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they’d already signed up.
    Barkley estimated he’d registered to vote “10 to 15″ times after canvassers for ACORN, whose political wing has endorsed Barack Obama, relentlessly pursued him and others.

    Claims such as his have sparked election officials to probe ACORN.

    “I kept getting approached by folks who asked me to register,” Barkley said. “They’d ask me if I was registered. I’d say yes, and they’d ask me to do it [register] again.

    “Some of them were getting paid to collect names. That was their sob story, and I bought it,” he said.

    Barkley is one of at least three people who have been subpoenaed by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections as part of a wider inquiry into possible voter fraud by ACORN. The group seeks to register low-income voters, who skew overwhelmingly Democratic.

    “You can tell them you’re registered as many times as you want – they do not care,” said Lateala Goins, 21, who was subpoenaed.

    “They will follow you to the buses, they will follow you home, it does not matter,” she told The Post.

    She added that she never put down an address on any of the registration forms, just her name.

    A third subpoenaed voter, Freddie Johnson, 19, filled out registration cards 72 times over 18 months, officials said.

    “It feeds the public perception that there could be [fraud], and that makes the pillars fall down,” said local Board of Elections President Jeff Hastings.

    Registering under a fake name is illegal. But officials usually catch multiple registrations and toss them.

    The major risk of fraud growing out of mass canvassing involves the possibility of ineligible voters filing absentee ballots, and thus avoiding checks at polling places, said Republican National Committee chief counsel Sean Cairncross.

    The subpoenas come as Republicans have ramped up criticism of ACORN. Officials in Nevada raided ACORN’s Las Vegas office Tuesday, accusing the group of signing people up multiple times – in some cases under phony names, like those of Dallas Cowboys.

    jeane.macintosh@nypost.com

  46. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    VOTE-FRAUD-A-GO-GO

    Posted: 4:31 am
    October 9, 2008

    Let every vote count, is the Democratic Party’s mantra these days. That slogan might better be: Let every vote count as often as we need to win.

    Such, at any rate, are the tactics of ACORN, Barack Obama’s favorite “community organizers,” and its Project Vote – of which, the Democratic presidential candidate has boasted, “I started working as the director . . . here in Chicago.”

    ACORN has been implicated in voter-fraud schemes in 15 states – including Ohio, from where The Post’s Jeane MacIntosh reports today that a Board of Elections investigation has unearthed evidence of widespread voter fraud.

    Officials in Lake County, Ind. report that fully 1,100 of 2,000 new voter-registration forms delivered by ACORN were “suspicious.”

    In Washington state, officials recently closed an investigation into ballot cheating that resulted in prison terms.

    ACORN submitted more than 800 phony registration forms in Independence, Mo., with one woman registering 10 times, using three birthdates, four different Social Security numbers and six different phone numbers.

    And, as The Post reported Monday, another pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, took advantage of a quirk in that state’s law, which allows people to register and vote on the same day without having to prove residency, to drive hundreds of people from homeless shelters and drug-rehab centers to the polls.

    John McCain’s campaign says all this “doesn’t pass the smell test.”

    Actually, it stinks.

    And it’s being done by a group with which Barack Obama has proudly been associated.

    What, then, would they be able to pull off with a friend in the White House?

    (the above has been a public service message brought to you courtesy of the New York Post)

  47. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    I used to be Mr. Good Christian Republican Goof, but after going through many churches and finding the same thing (fluff, baubles and an overall feeling that it was a popularity contest) I decided my church is between me and my God. I don’t need another to confirm my faith or whatever. And I meant help those SOON TO BE helpless…not the wino on the corner. Do you not realize that there will be entire families on the street soon?

  48. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    BY BILL DOLAN
    Thursday, October 02, 2008
    The Times’ NWI

    (community includes seven counties in Northwest Indiana and the southeast Chicago suburbs.)

    CROWN POINT | Lake County Republican Chairman John Curley wants a federal investigation into hundreds of voter registrations bearing fictitious signatures or the names of dead and underage people.

    “Fraudulent applications are the workings of ACORN groups operating from Milwaukee and Chicago who are getting out the vote for Obama. I’m Republican, but I want everyone who should vote to vote. But I want a clean election,” Curley said at a Wednesday news conference.

    Lake County elections officials acknowledged they have found problems and had to reject a large portion of the 5,000 registration forms turned in recently by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, an activist group that conducted registration drives across the county this summer.

    An ACORN spokesperson couldn’t be reached Wednesday for comment. Telephones to ACORN offices in Gary, Indianapolis, Chicago and Milwaukee were reported to be disconnected.

    Curley acknowledges the work of the county elections board to weed out obviously invalid applications, but said more may have slipped into the voter rolls so he wants U.S. Attorney David Capp to conduct a criminal investigation.

    Elections Board Director Sally LaSota and Ruthann Hoagland, a county elections board technologist overseeing voter registration, said Wednesday it appears some ACORN vote canvassers pulled names and addresses from telephone books and forged their signatures.

    Curley said one registration form was filled out in the name and address of Jimmy John’s, a Crown Point fast-food outlet. Another registration, dated in August, is in the name of a Gary man who died Nov. 16, 2007, according to his death certificate.

    Hoagland said large numbers of voter registration forms bore signatures all in the same apparent handwriting style.

    LaSota and Hoagland said they instructed ACORN on how to legally register voters, but apparently the organization’s canvassers broke rules to meet ACORN-set voter registration quotas to get paid. They said ACORN organizers promised to fire workers who were cheating.

    LaSota said hundreds of legitimate potential voters may be unable to cast a ballot in the Nov. 4 general election because ACORN delivered incomplete registrations just recently to the county.

  49. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    How do you know when you have been hit by an ACORN?

    You see a registration to vote signed by a dead man:

    Another registration, dated in August, is in the name of a Gary man who died Nov. 16, 2007, according to his death certificate.

    You see the same signature on thousands of registration forms:

    Hoagland said large numbers of voter registration forms bore signatures all in the same apparent handwriting style.

  50. annie_moose
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Dow Futures off 400+ points how does acorn do it?

  51. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    What’s this? In Todays Washington Times?

    Obama camp downplays payments to ACORN
    Friday, October 10, 2008

    Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign distanced itself Thursday from its $800,000 payment linked to the liberal ACORN organization, which is under investigation in several states where it is suspected of filing fraudulent voter registrations.

    Federal Election Commission reports show ACORN-affiliated Citizens Services Inc. got $832,598 from the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote work during the primaries. But those payments stopped in May and the Obama campaign says they should not be an election issue.

    Still, the contributions to Citizens Services draw the Obama campaign closer to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, and the growing voter-fraud scandal that this week spread to the battleground state of Ohio.

    The elections board in Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, is reviewing about 65,000 voter cards submitted by ACORN after flagging 50 cards filled out for duplicate names, fictitious addresses, noncitizens and recycled names and addresses of currently registered voters, said board spokesman Mike West.

    Similar probes reportedly are under way in other large Ohio counties.

    Citizen Services is inextricably tied to ACORN. Along with nonprofit sister organization Project Vote, Citizens Services and ACORN share the same New Orleans address and the same executive staff while money flows freely between the three entities. In 1996, Project Vote’s tax returns show it paid ACORN more than $4.6 million for campaign services and Citizens Services more than $779,000 for legal and administrative services.

    The ACORN political action committee endorsed Mr. Obama for president.

    (so much for claiming to be impartial and registering republicans (cough-cough))

  52. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Must be tough being Obama. His staff must put in overtime trying to “distance Obama” from

    Ayers
    Raines
    Wright
    ACORN

    This guy spends more time telling us who he DOES NOT associate with than whom he does.

    Libs response: No pattern here. Move along.

  53. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    And as I’ve said many times before, but don’t mind reminding you again:

    OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA
    OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA
    OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA
    OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA
    OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA
    OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA
    OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA OBAMA=ACORN ACORN=OBAMA

  54. CF2K
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    American Way,

    Just doing your part as a loyal Republican to de-legitimate the participation of non-white voters, I see.

    How many thousands of African-American voters will your loyal state apparatchiks illegally disqualify from voting this time, I wonder? How many African-American districts will again see long lines and broken down voting machines?

    Or, for that matter, how many registered college students will be unable to vote–as happened in Oberlin, OH in 2004–because their Democratic-leaning voting places are understaffed and underequipped?

    The Repuke “voter fraud” hysteria is meant for one thing and one thing only: to distract from the past, present, and future electoral fraud perpetrated by the GOP and its minions: the Federalist Society and the Republican National Lawyers Association–and the U.S. Attorneys of various jurisdictions, particularly Las Vegas.

  55. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Why is Fox trying to make news out of the Palin leg pic?

    She was vain enough to get into a beauty pageant, someone SHOULD be exploiting her now.

    Life. Funny how it gets returned to you.

  56. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign distanced itself Thursday from its $800,000 payment linked to the liberal ACORN organization, which is under investigation in several states where it is suspected of filing fraudulent voter registrations.

    LINKED. GET IT NOW? PAYMENT MADE!

    Follow the money.

  57. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    CF2K wants to make it about race!
    Race is no excuse for breaking the law.
    CF2K wants to make it about race!
    Race is no excuse for breaking the law.
    CF2K wants to make it about race!
    Race is no excuse for breaking the law.
    CF2K wants to make it about race!
    Race is no excuse for breaking the law.
    CF2K wants to make it about race!
    Race is no excuse for breaking the law.
    CF2K wants to make it about race!
    Race is no excuse for breaking the law.
    CF2K wants to make it about race!
    Race is no excuse for breaking the law.

    ACORN=DIRTY=FRAUD
    OBAMA=ACORN

    Now put your race card back in your pocket.
    It doesn’t play well in America anymore.

  58. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Those crazy nuts!

  59. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1009/#comment-443259

    MADISON – Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen issued the following statement:

    *
    ******
    * *
    * *
    The right to vote is the most fundamental of all political freedoms. But it isn’t simply the right to vote that protects our democracy; it is the right to vote in fair elections, untainted by election fraud. Make no mistake. The dilution of one’s lawful vote through the unlawful casting of ballots is a dilution of the most fundamental of our political freedoms.

  60. RFL
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Depunking Maggot”bunk”

    From Maggotpunk’s link:

    ” In what could be a first in the world, a fish species in the cichlid family has been observed by scientists in the act of splitting into two distinct species in Lake Victoria, Africa’s largest lake and one of the world’s biggest fresh water bodies.”

    Okay so this could be the “first in the world” observed case of evolution, right? Hmmm…Read further from this same article:

    “Generally, the evolutionary process of speciation (the formation of new species) occurs when one species is split by a physical distance or barrier, allowing each group to develop different traits.”

    How did the scientist establish that species “generally” evolve by separating themselves if the very FIRST case of observed evolution involves a fish that is not separated from other species whatsoever?

    Conclusion:

    The scientist who believes that unguided evolution has produced the diversity of life on this planet has included as evidence the postulations of the theory itself.

    Fact:
    Since isolating a population constrains the gene pool, the lack of “new” genes to counterbalance the rapidly accumulating mutating genes in the small gene pool enables more mutations.

    End Fact, Enter Theory.

    The theory postulates that since it is assumed that evolution must occur due to mutations, the more isolated a species is, the more evolution must occur. To an evolutionist then, evolution occurs during periods of isolation. For an evolutionist that seeks to continue the lie that evolution is a proven observed fact, the evolutionist must say that “generally, evolution occurs when the species is split by a physical distance”. Or else one would wonder how then is evolution proven if it has never been observed?

    However the fact that this fish is now titled as “a first in the world” reveals how little evolutionists are able to be honest with themselves.

    Furthermore, Animals have a fixed amount of genetic variation enabling them to undergo MICRO-evolution. This is an ability to adapt. Period. There is nothing in the genetic code to cause a animal to change type and form and function. This has never been observed. Keep trying though.

  61. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    Houston, TX Local 2 Investigates Dead Voters

    “The push to register voters for this year’s presidential election is breaking records.

    More than 1.9 million people are registered to vote in Harris County alone.

    But how many of the people listed on the voter roll are actually eligible to cast a ballot?

    Investigative reporter Amy Davis shows you how hundreds of voters could sway this year’s election — voters who are not even alive.”

    Damn Democrats associated with ACORN and Obama will do anything to win this election, including breaking the law, violating the integrity of the vote, and potentially bringing down the country.

  62. annie_moose
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink

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  63. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    “…Craig Gabel, by attempting to axe them in the EAGLE newspaper.” — JWink

    ——

    Craig Gabel belongs in treatment for his inability to control himself, whatever aggressive illness he has that caused SEVEN women to call police to complain. This is a very dangerous man! Not only should he never be elected, he shouldn’t be allowed to be among law-abiding citizens.

  64. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    hysteria = untrue statement. A lie.

    Voter Fraud = convictions guilt punishiment

    (no one can make this stuff up. ACORN IS CRIMINAL, repetitive convictions, investigations, documentation of fraud Nationwide. In many states, counties, and in many different elections over the years.)

  65. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Investigative reporter Amy Davis shows you how hundreds of voters could sway this year’s election — voters who are not even alive.

    Wow Amy, how can a dead voter sway the election? Of course the dead guys in Lord of the Rings certainly won a war didn’t they? If only we’d had them in the ‘Nam, we might have one that war.

  66. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    “Investigative reporter Amy Davis shows you how hundreds of voters could sway this year’s election — voters who are not even alive.”

    Would like a link Boxlock to view above, please?

    “The right to vote is the most fundamental of all political freedoms. But it isn’t simply the right to vote that protects our democracy; it is the right to vote in fair elections, untainted by election fraud. Make no mistake. The dilution of one’s lawful vote through the unlawful casting of ballots is a dilution of the most fundamental of our political freedoms.”

  67. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    WEBLOG EAGLE EDITORS: CAN YOU PLEASE CREATE A THREAD ON THE DISPICABLE ACTIONS OF ACORN AND THE 10OCT08 NEWS REPORT TYING OBAMA MONEY TO THEM?

    There is much interest for informed voters.
    Voters who are interested in the truth.

    WEBLOG EAGLE EDITORS: CAN YOU PLEASE CREATE A THREAD ON THE DISPICABLE ACTIONS OF ACORN AND THE 10OCT08 NEWS REPORT TYING OBAMA MONEY TO THEM?

    WEBLOG EAGLE EDITORS: CAN YOU PLEASE CREATE A THREAD ON THE DISPICABLE ACTIONS OF ACORN AND THE 10OCT08 NEWS REPORT TYING OBAMA MONEY TO THEM?

    WEBLOG EAGLE EDITORS: CAN YOU PLEASE CREATE A THREAD ON THE DISPICABLE ACTIONS OF ACORN AND THE 10OCT08 NEWS REPORT TYING OBAMA MONEY TO THEM?

    WEBLOG EAGLE EDITORS: CAN YOU PLEASE CREATE A THREAD ON THE DISPICABLE ACTIONS OF ACORN AND THE 10OCT08 NEWS REPORT TYING OBAMA MONEY TO THEM?

    WEBLOG EAGLE EDITORS: CAN YOU PLEASE CREATE A THREAD ON THE DISPICABLE ACTIONS OF ACORN AND THE 10OCT08 NEWS REPORT TYING OBAMA MONEY TO THEM?

  68. Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    The past 7 trading days are officially a market CRASH – down 20% in a short period of time. Meanwhile, the total drop of 40+% makes this one of the worst bear markets in history.

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

  69. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Obama, the Great Deceiver

    How Barack Hussein Obama was trained in the methods of radical ways by Saul Alinksy, Bill Ayers, John L. McKnight and other radical philosophers and teachers.

    1. Obama was a community organizer.
    2. Saul Alinsky was a community organizer.

    Obama is so well-trained in Alinsky tactics that he used to teach workshops on it.

    Saul Alinsky is one of Obama’s heroes. In 1971 he published a book, “Rules for Radicals. Saul Alinsky believes in the socialism, redistribution of wealth.
    Alinsky taught his proteges to “HIDE” their true goals by any means necessary. Lying was fine. The objective of Alinsky was to turn people against the white establishment.

    “Barack (Obama) stood up that day,” talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, “and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be…”

    And, “All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.

    Here’s an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals:

    “The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves…The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means… The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be.”

    Obama’s friend Bill Ayers:

    “Ayers in his famous 1970 statement, “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at.”

    Bill Ayers gave Barack Obama his job at the Woods foundation where he passed out huge amounts of money to organizations which in turn that would buy votes for his runs at various political offices. Organizations like ACORN.

    Saul Alinsky’s son has said, “Obama learned his lesson well” “…In Artful Dodger style, Barack Obama, plays down his mentorship with Communist author Saul Alinsky. But Alinsky’s son, L. David Alinsky, credits Obama for “learning his lesson well” from the Communist guru.”

    Saul Alinsky, who literally wrote the book on how to subvert democracies into Marxist dictatorships.2

    Barack Obama is a fervent supporter and prodigy student of Saul Alinsky.

    Guuiliani on Obama:
    (Interview with Andrea Mitchell)

    “Giuliani—”This guy, educated in the Saul Alinsky methods. A good friend of Ayers. Very close to [Jeremiah]Wright. This is the most left wing candidate of the Democratic Party. Its ideology. Its ideology, Andrea. It’s not guilt by association.”

    Psychopaths:

    True psychopaths like Obama are often charming, seductive, and treacherous. They make natural con artists. Obama and in general the far left convince others (their followers) that a “higher morality” allows them to act without conscience.

    Guess who recommended obama to Harvard?

    “Obama approached Northwestern University professor John L. McKnight – a loyal student of Alinsky’s radical tactics – to pen the Harvard letter in the late 1980s. McKnight serves on the boards of radically anti-American groups in Chicago, including one accused of thuggery.”3

    The Chicago-based Gamaliel Foundation lists McKnight as a board director. From1985 to 1988, Obama worked for a subsidiary of Gamaliel, where he cut his teeth as a community organizer on Chicago’s South Side. McKnight and Gamaliel, which was founded on Alinsky’s principles, provided training for the budding radical.3

    Before leaving for Harvard, Obama wrote an article published in a journal titled,”After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois,” in which he praised McKnight and his organizing strategies.3

    Obama is a dangerous, far left radical. Barack Obama is trained in the fine art of deception and has learned that lying is not a bad thing, but a necessary pathway to achieve goals.

    Alinsky dedicated the first edition of his book, “Rules for Radicals,” to Satan

    Folks, we do not want Obama in the White House. This will be the end of the American Society as we know it. Radicalism will become accepted and deception will be the rule of the day. What Obama’s agenda is, makes the Soviet Union style of propaganda look like child’s play.

    If you love America and what it stands for, you need to alert everyone you know about the far left radical Barack Hussein Obama. Obama is the great deceiver.

    1. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-92191
    and other embedded links in the document(s)
    2 sodahead.com
    3. World Net Daily Posted Sept 24, 2008

  70. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Hey AmWay, your mamma’s calling you to come out of the basement and have some breakfast. Straighten up your Nazi flag curtain on your way up.

  71. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Hey there CapnAmerica (I mean mxyzptlk, your latest cartoon reincarceration).

    Your profound post provides all readers a sense as to your maturity and education level.

    I am honored that the truth has hurt you so bad that you lower yourself to posting gibberish.

    But I’d much rather you not post at all. Scrolling over is time consuming.

  72. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Am-Way,
    http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/17671375/detail.html

  73. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    “Meanwhile, the total drop of 40+% makes this one of the worst bear markets in history.MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!”

    Yes, it is sad that the democratic congress continues to throw money at the problem hoping, no praying it will “go away”.

    From the Economic Unstimulus Act, which threw 150 billion dollars down the toilet – with no affect on the economy, to the 700 billion (already up 200 billion to 900) wasted in their RUSH last week.

    Knee jerk reactions by an ignorant leadership class.

    We need change alright. Need to remove the lowest rated Congress ever.

  74. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    Question for the liberals.
    What do you believe to be the major cause of the financial crisis?

    Your own leaders have called on the housing market and bad loans. Agree or disagree?

  75. annie_moose
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    What do you believe to be the major cause of the financial crisis?
    —————————————————-
    Unwinding of derivative positions to cover leveraged margin calls

  76. Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    “Knee jerk reactions by an ignorant leadership class.”

    And the Bill was written and proposed by George Bush.

  77. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Here’s an article that spells out what I believe to be the major cause of our financial crisis, Mr. Kia.

    ———

    The Reckoning
    Taking Hard New Look at a Greenspan Legacy

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/business/economy/09greenspan.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin

  78. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    “Unwinding of derivative positions to cover leveraged margin calls”

    Exactly.

    It would take $100 Billion to buy all of the outstanding mortgages out there…the other 650+ is covering gambling losses.

  79. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Get ready for a world economy (listen to Bushco’s wording in the press conference). Bye bye American soveriegnty (very soon).

  80. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Hey Monkeyhawk, I’ve been up since six. Puppy time, ya know? Thanks for the reminder about Gypsy Moth. I like all his stuff, but especially Wild Bull Rider.

    And I imagine you are much like “the cat”.

    If that cat could talk what tales he’d tell, about Della and The Dealer and The Dog as well, but the cat was cool and he never said a mumblin’ word…”

    Heheheh. Hell, I’ve even been Snowblind a couple of times myself!

  81. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Uh oh…here’s the E-Terror I was talking about…

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,435681,00.html

    FEAR…WE NEED MORE FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We’ll have to be regulating the internets really soon.

  82. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Oh yeah, it’s easy to get lost in YouTube. I found some John Hartford videos too, and a duet with Hoyt.

    I loves me some Johnny Hartford!

  83. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    By Alexander Mooney
    CNN

    (CNN) — John McCain is facing a fresh round of anger from members of his own party deeply opposed to the Arizona senator’s proposal for the federal government to purchase troubled mortgage loans.

    John McCain first mentioned his mortgage relief plan during Tuesday’s town-hall debate with Barack Obama.

    The pointed backlash from several economic conservatives — many of whom already distrust McCain’s commitment to free-market principles — couldn’t come at a worse time for the Republican presidential nominee less than four weeks before Election Day as he stares at a significant deficit in national and state polls.

    But at a time when McCain can’t afford to worry about a lack of support from his party’s base, several conservatives are openly criticizing the plan as a flagrant reward for reckless behavior among lenders.

    In a sharply worded editorial on its Web site Thursday, the editors of The National Review — an influential bastion of conservative thought — derided the plan as “creating a level of moral hazard that is unacceptable” and called it a “gift to lenders who abandoned any sense of prudence during the boom years.” Watch the candidates’ plans get the ‘no bull’ test »

    Prominent conservative blogger Michelle Malkin went one step further, calling the plan “rotten” and declaring on her blog, “We’re Screwed ‘08.”

    Matt Lewis, a contributing writer for the conservative Web site Townhall.com, told CNN the plan only further riles conservatives upset with McCain’s backing of the massive government bailout plan passed last week.

    “Fundamentally, the problem is John McCain accepts a lot of liberal notions, unfortunately. There is somewhat of a populist streak,” he said. “Most conservatives really did not like the bailout to begin with, and this was really kind of picking at the scab.”

  84. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Uh, werent those $600 gifts from the goverment, er, stimulus checks, courtesy of a REPUBLICAN congress?

  85. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    God, no one fears you, cause we have terrorists hiding under our beds.

    You understand though, right?

  86. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    hee hee heeeeeee

    “The Dealer had a knife, The Dog had a gun, and the cat had a shot of rye”

    Maybe I’M the cat! But I could never be that cool.

  87. annie_moose
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Just in 2006 62 trillion dollars of financial instruments were created based on 600 billion dollars of mortgages.

  88. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Which stimulus checks?

  89. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    bush is speaking and the market is trembling. As his words are spoken the DOW drops!

  90. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Oh christ, shrub is on the telly again talking about the economy.

    THAT oughta make the stock market drop another few hundred points! ‘Cause ya know…

    He inspires so much confidence and all…

  91. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    hee hee heeeee Linda.

    Jinx, you owe me a coke!

  92. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Oh, and I’ll have that coke with Captain Morgan if you please!

  93. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Haven’t heard that one in forever! My pleasure. With some Maker’s Mark on the side?

  94. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    How many stimulus checks did YOU get, kia?

  95. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    We better quit while were behind…

  96. Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    I agree with Glenn Greenwald, that this shouldn’t surprise anyone smarter than an end-table, but look: NSA insiders confirm what we already pretty much knew. Phone calls of “ordinary Americans” overseas were intercepted, recorded, and transcribed:

    “These were just really everyday, average, ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East, in our area of intercept and happened to be making these phone calls on satellite phones,” said Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist assigned to a special military program at the NSA’s Back Hall at Fort Gordon from November 2001 to 2003.

    Kinne described the contents of the calls as “personal, private things with Americans who are not in any way, shape or form associated with anything to do with terrorism.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=5987804&page=1

  97. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Hey JR, this Hoyt Axton is for you. It’s called Boney Fingers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqf2daVP3yI

    Hee hee hee Linda. Shots of Maker’s Mark chased with coke and spiced rum?

    I’m in…

  98. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    As grim as things look at the moment for John McCain’s chances at the White House, the horizon is even darker for House and Senate Republicans trying desperately to avoid huge losses across the country this fall.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/10/rothenberg_warns_of_gop_bloodb.html?nav=rss_blog

    Goodbye you rotten SOBs.
    When do we start building the re-education camps for republicans?

  99. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    “bth
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:15 am | Permalink
    “Knee jerk reactions by an ignorant leadership class.”And the Bill was written and proposed by George Bush.’

    And the democratic majority voted FOR and LOBBIED FOR the bill. In fact the Dems in both houses modified the original Bush Bill. Interestingly Pelosi publicly commented on how Dems “fixed” the bad Bush Bill.

    Even more curious, was the number of libs on the WEBLOG posting hysterically how badly we NEEDED the bailout.

    Funny how that works.

  100. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    On television today a Democratic campaigner pointed out that when Obama holds a rally 25-30,000 people show up, whereas when McCain holds one he only draws 10-15,000.
    The Republican spokesman replied, ‘That’s because McCain’s supporters are at work.

  101. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “Just in 2006 62 trillion dollars of financial instruments were created based on 600 billion dollars of mortgages.”
    Looks like business created their own financial system, and now the country is paying for it.

  102. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Farm Girl I was referring the Stimulus checks we got THIS year to stimulate the economy.

    Your point is valid in that George Bush also had a handout program approved by republican congress earlier in his career. (albeit the Bush Stimulus Check was taxable income and they took some back when we filed that year.)

    Neither worked to stimulate anything.

  103. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    General Motors is announcing plant shut downs, work stoppages…

  104. Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Funny how that works.

    Funny how that never happened. I saw a lot of different opinions on what needed to be done.

    Wanna see hysteria? Take a look!

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1010/#comment-443806

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1010/#comment-443823

    That’s hysteria.

  105. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    “Goodbye you rotten SOBs.
    When do we start building the re-education camps for republicans?”

    Maybe when they build a reform school where they can teach you not to call women “c*unts”.

  106. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    I got a chuckle out of a comment I read the other day.
    “This pretty much puts things in their proper perspective!

    Barack Obama has put out an ad saying that simple minded John McCain cannot use a computer.

    Well guess what!!! Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier.

  107. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:35 am | Permalink
    How many stimulus checks did YOU get, kia?
    —————————————————-
    One this summer.
    One I believe it was in 2002.
    Didn’t you?

  108. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Whirlpool cuts 440 jobs in Iowa…

    Brunswick shuts down four plants, cuts another 1,400 jobs…

  109. Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    This pretty much puts things in their proper perspective!

    Uhm. . .right. Geez, that’s lame.

  110. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    The one in 2002 was courtesy of the REPUBLICANS, dumbass.

    And no, I didnt get one this summer. Did anyone else?

    Was it only for republican corporate welfare queens?

  111. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted October 9, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink
    “God Da*n Amerika, huh Chas?” [CNAI]
    =========================================

    You betcah!!! When God needs to do so!!

    ————————————————————

    Brought to you by:

    The Radical Leftist Phony Pastor.

    Do all Democrats “Da*n” America? Or just Obama supporters?

  112. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    No denial from me on those posts Rage.
    It appears nothing will knock any sense into liberals who could care less about stolen elections by democrats. (only when it’s republicans doing the stealing.)

    But my point still stands. The masses of libs on this very blog were promoting the rapid signing of the Bailout. Not all, but many were drinking the koolaid. (as were republicans too)

    Someone posted information (without a link) which said the telephone calls to congress from constituents that week were 10 to 1 AGAINST the bailout. These were Americans from both sides of the fence (maybe all sides). Congress ignored us.

  113. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    #
    American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Maybe when they build a reform school where they can teach you not to call women “c*unts”.
    ________________________________________________
    Sorry Amway, but your boy McCain owns that one.

  114. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    The Great Schlep

    http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/dafdd1aa7b

  115. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    “Neither worked to stimulate anything.”

    For once, I agree with amway. All the “stimulus” checks did was buy more time so the bankers and financiers could complete the looting of Wall Street.

  116. Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Thanks farmgrrl I’ll check that out later.

    Fun with Hoyt?

    Hey cons?

    If ya don’t wanna meet us in the alley tonight.

    Too late for talkin’ and ready ta fight.

    Leave it alone, leave it alone.

  117. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink
    The one in 2002 was courtesy of the REPUBLICANS, dumbass.

    And no, I didnt get one this summer. Did anyone else?

    Was it only for republican corporate welfare queens?
    —————————————————-

    I haven’t attacked you. I know who had the Congress in 2002.
    IF you pay taxes and make under $75,000 per year you should have received the 2008. Or are you the rich? LOL

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/25/news/economy/rebate_update/?postversion=2008042517

  118. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    ‘Patiently waiting. It always comes back.

    hehehe

    Maybe not in your lifetime, but you can always leave it to the boy.

  119. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    So I guess it’s ok with maxie that the gun totin’ moose dresser and her husband support the AIP, whose head said he had no use for America or her “damned institutions”?

    IOKIYAAR

    I think The Great Schlep is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard of. And I bet it could work. Leave it to Sara.

    Silverman, that is!

  120. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Farmgirl if you really don’t know the basics of this year’s so called stimulus package you are either playing possum or your knowledge or lack of on current events is astounding to me as someone who seems to be so politically involved.

  121. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    “Brought to you by:
    The Radical Leftist Phony Pastor [Chas].
    Do all Democrats “Da*n” America? Or just Obama supporters?”

    Hey Max, I’ll bet Chas was watching all those Wright speeches on U-Tube as part of his on-the-job Reverendship training.

    He wanted more spit for his hellfire.

  122. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    I filed an extension for 2007. I guess my “check’s in the mail”?

    Whatever. It’ll be chicken feed. Literally.

  123. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    The Great Schlep

    Thanks, XXX. I’m still chuckling.

  124. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    #
    Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Barack Obama has put out an ad saying that simple minded John McCain cannot use a computer.

    Well guess what!!! Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier.
    ________________________________________________
    Obama probably can’t start a fire on an aircraft carrier that kills over 100 sailors, either.

    http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm

  125. TomPaine
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Jwink, I was certainly considering voting for Mr Gabel like you, I’m not a fan of the arena among other things. But one the arena is half built their isn’t any going back on that now. But, I find all his legal and financial probelms a big obstacle to overcome. He’s one DUI away from being a felon, six ex-girlfriends called the cops or got restraining orders on him and he thinks that’s normal and he shot a guys dog among other things.

  126. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    ALL of the “help” from our guvmunt was nothing more than time bided whilst they systematically destroyed us right under our noses.

  127. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    I thought the market was only for the rich and there was nothing to trickle down economics?

  128. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    “Sorry Amway, but your boy McCain owns that one.”

    I was sorry to see you post that vulgar word in describing a political candidate.

    We may disagree 180 degrees on content, but I think that language is uncalled for.

    Now, maybe if were on the LST San Bernadino 1189, steaming in WestPac as part of the 31st MEU, and sweating our buts off with 200 male jarheads and 100 male squids when I was 21. But not here and now.

  129. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Mr. Gabel needs to be in treatment! He is obviously ill and could be (has been?) dangerous. You don’t leave a person like that in a position to practice until he is perfect. YOU STOP PEOPLE LIKE THAT in order to protect the innocents!

  130. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    “he shot a guys dog”

    Now THAT’S criminal! This guy should be locked up!

  131. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Too bad he didnt shoot Nathan’s dog. He promised to kill anyone who did that.

    Twofer

  132. mom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink
    I got a chuckle out of a comment I read the other day.
    “This pretty much puts things in their proper perspective!

    Barack Obama has put out an ad saying that simple minded John McCain cannot use a computer.

    Well guess what!!! Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier.

    Didn’t you copy this posting from another Opinion Line Republican this morning? It didn’t work then and it won’t work here.

    Besides, if my daddy and my grand-daddy were both such high ranking admirals, then why did Johnny not make it any higher than he did?

    Perhaps he saw his fortune in a beer heiress and decided to court her while still married to his first wife?

  133. Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    “Well guess what!!! Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier.”

    SO Boxlock, when you are NOT engaging in distortions and outright lies in your posting…

    …you go to flub land?

    Images involving aircraft carriers is NOT a place you and your party really wanna go right now.

    MOST people now think “aircraft carrier” and remember “Mission accomplished”.

    A trillion or so dollars ago.

    BlueJay sings…

    Oops you did it again…

  134. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    XXX! Great link. Forgot about that gem.

    His daddy (the Admiral) helped try and sink the USS Liberty too. Check it out, Google it.

    And Bush got a little electronic help landing that plane for his “Mission Accomplished” bull spit. Remote flying anyone? Drone technology?

  135. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    I’d rather have a President working than surfing the net all day LOL

  136. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    If any of you have moved recently, like in the last 10+ years, it might be interesting for you to see if you are still Registered to Vote in your old location.

    I moved 10 years ago, and found I’m still registered at the old address. And also registered at the new address! (Maybe I should vote twice – like ACORN people do!)

    There are valid reasons for the removal of old registered names, to comply with Federal Law, and to ensure duplicates, the dead, the illegal immigrants, the phony names, etc…are removed from the Voter Registration rolls.

    ACORN, is taking advantage of law-abiding citizens, and a corrupt and incompetent Government bureaucracy that can’t even figure out how to maintain Voter Registration Records.

  137. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
    ‘ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS’
    October 10, 2008

    CLEVELAND – A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

    “Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they’ll give me a dollar to sign up,” said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm

  138. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    So, folks, there we have it, a community organization can force banks to loan money. The feds meanwhile are having very limited success even getting banks to loan to each other.
    The solution? Put ACORN in charge of the Fed. bail out attempt!

  139. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    #
    XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    #
    Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Barack Obama has put out an ad saying that simple minded John McCain cannot use a computer.

    Well guess what!!! Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier.
    ________________________________________________
    Obama probably can’t start a fire on an aircraft carrier that kills over 100 sailors, either.

    http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
    ================================
    I see that XXX is now resorting to lies like the rest of his Lib butt buddies.

    Let me point you to some kook Website that talks about Aliens landing in Obama’s backyard to give him the ‘change’ message.

    You can latch on to that one as well.

  140. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Barack Obama’s campaign has received roughly 10 times more money from declared U.S. donors living in Germany, France and Britain than his Republican rival, reflecting his popularity in Europe as he makes his first tour of the continent as the presumed Democratic nominee.
    ———————————
    Islamic leaders tied by federal investigators to the radical Muslim Brotherhood in America – including one under active investigation for alleged terror-financing – have recently donated to Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign for president, according to Federal Election Commission records reviewed by WND.
    ———————————-
    Despite dropping the groundbreaking bombshell story of “Palestinian” brothers from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza who donated $33,000 to Obama’s campaign.
    ———————————-
    JERUSALEM – Palestinian brothers inside the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip are listed in government election filings as having donated $29,521.54 to Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign.
    ———————————–
    An auditor for the Federal Election Commission is attempting to have his bosses seek a formal investigation into the collection by the Obama for President campaign of more than $200 million in potentially illegal political donations, including millions of dollars of illegal, foreign donations, and has sought a request for assistance from the Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation. But the analyst’s requests have largely been ignored. “I can’t get anyone to move. I believe we are looking at a hijacking of our political system that makes the Clinton and Gore fundraising scandals pale in comparison. And no one here wants to touch it.”
    ——————————–
    While the security people were not able to track most of the sources due to firewalls and other blocking devices put on these contributions they were able to collate the number of contributions that were coming in seemingly from individuals but the funds were from only a few credit card accounts and bank electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia , Iran , and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia .

    Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese ISP with a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.
    ———————————
    oh thats nice.

  141. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    XXX,

    I’m calling both your source and you a liar to your face!

    That story could have easily been verified but you choose to lie.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Fire

    “On 29 July 1967, a devastating fire and series of chain-reaction explosions caused great loss of life on the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal (CV-59) after an unusual electrical anomaly discharged a Zuni rocket on the flight deck.
    About 10:50 in the morning local time 19°9?5?N 107°23?5?E? / ?19.15139, 107.38472, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made,[3] an unguided 5-inch Mk-32 “Zuni” rocket, one of four contained in a LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on a F-4 Phantom II, was accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external power to internal power.

    Investigators revealed potential maintenance issues including concerns in circuitry (stray voltage) associated with LAU-10 rocket launchers and Zunis, as well as the age of the 1,000 pound “fat bombs” loaded for the strike, shards from one of which dated it originally to the Korean War in 1953.

    McCain had NO CULPABILITY in what happened.

    You XXX are an intentional liar!

  142. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Ya know, when the repukes are whiiiiiining about the stolen election after November 4, we’re gonna have a LOT of fun telling them, as they told us in 2000, to GET OVER IT!!!!!!

    I’m gonna start practicing now. (Clears throat)

    get OVER it

    GET over it

    get over IT

    I wonder how many different ways that can be said?

    I bet we’re fixin’ to find out!

  143. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    “Sorry Amway, but your boy McCain owns that one.”

    I was sorry to see you post that vulgar word in describing a political candidate.

    We may disagree 180 degrees on content, but I think that language is uncalled for.
    ______________________________________________
    Boy, aren’t we touchy today. Care to explain what vulgar word I used?

  144. Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    To the cons

    BlueJay sings…

    Na na na na

    na na Na na

    Hey, hey, hey,

    GOODBYE!

  145. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    House Democrats are concerned that it wasn’t just Rep. Barney Frank who was having extracurricular relations with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac executives, and that those relationships will come to light before the election a month from now.

    According to a former Democrat staffer working for the House Committee on Financial Services, there were a number of stories involving Democrat members of the committee, as well as staffers for those Democrats, participating in retreats and getaway weekends paid for by Fan and Fred executives and lobbyists.

    “Republicans were in the majority, and they weren’t getting invited on these trips,” says the former aide, who now works for an investment house in New York. “It’s not that Republicans weren’t enjoying themselves, but not the way my guys were. If I were a Democratic member in the mid to late 90s and dealt with financial services or housing issues, I’d be real nervous right now.”

    Frank has not hidden the fact that he was in a romantic relationship with a former executive for Fannie Mae. Frank now chairs the Financial Services Committee and was one of several longtime Democrat members who sought assurances from Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi that no action would be taken on Fan or Fred investigations until after the election in November.
    ——————————
    nice.

  146. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    You can think what you want in 2000. At the very least it went thru the proper channels of the judicial system vs. voter fraud.
    The fact that you can’t see the difference between the two is frightening.

  147. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    It’s okay Box, when XXX was in Vietnam, he raped 12 year old girls and molested young boys.

    I saw it on a Website that all Vietnam grunts did this sort of thing.

  148. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    When your daddy is the boss, you can get any thing “fixed”. Daddy Admiral helps poor, stupid son out.

  149. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    NRA Fights for Gunowners!

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5htENtNJB7yyPtYuA8EyqX4U5GFPgD93MH19O0

    NRA to settle suit over Katrina gun seizures
    By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN – 1 day ago

    NEW ORLEANS (AP) — City officials have agreed to return hundreds of firearms that police officers confiscated in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, part of a deal to resolve a lawsuit filed by gun lobbying groups.

    The settlement agreement filed Tuesday in federal court calls for the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment Foundation to drop their case if the city follows a plan for returning guns to owners who had them seized by police after the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.

  150. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Heheheh. HAHAHAHAH.

    MSNBC says the Connecticut Supreme Court just ruled that same sex marriage in that state IS legal!!!!!

    Now maybe martha and rosie can FINALLY tie the knot!

  151. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Sh-it on John McCain.

  152. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    The FEC has compiled a separate database of potentially questionable overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions totaling $33.8 million. More than 520 listed their “state” as “IR,” often an abbreviation of Iran. Another 63 listed it as “UK,” the United Kingdom.

    More than 1,400 of the overseas entries clearly were U.S. diplomats or military personnel, who gave an APO address overseas. Their total contributions came to just $201,680.

    But others came from places as far afield as Abu Dhabi, Addis Ababa, Beijing, Fallujah, Florence, Italy, and a wide selection of towns and cities in France.

    In July and August, the head of the Nigeria’s stock market held a series of pro-Obama fundraisers in Lagos, Nigeria’s largest city. The events attracted local Nigerian businesses owners.

    At one event, a table of eight at one fundraising dinner went for $16,800. Nigerian press reports claimed sponsors raked in an estimated $900,000.

    The sponsors said the fundraisers were held to help Nigerians attend the Democratic convention in Denver. But the Nigerian press expressed skepticism of that claim, and the Nigerian public anti-fraud commission is now investigating the matter.

    Concerns about foreign fundraising have been raised by other anecdotal accounts of illegal activities.

    In June, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave a public speech praising Obama, claiming foreign nationals were donating to his campaign.

    “All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man,” the Libyan leader said. “They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency…”

    Though Gadhafi asserted that fundraising from Arab and African nations were “legitimate,” the fact is that U.S. federal law bans any foreigner from donating to a U.S. election campaign.
    ————————–
    awsome.

  153. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    XXX,

    I’m calling both your source and you a liar to your face!
    __________________________________________________
    Boxlock, you’re the liar. If you were calling me a liar “to my face”, you’d be lying on your back right now. Posting on a blog hardly constitutes saying anything to my face.

    Silly little repuke.

  154. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    #
    ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Ya know, when the repukes are whiiiiiining about the stolen election after November 4, we’re gonna have a LOT of fun telling them, as they told us in 2000, to GET OVER IT!!!!!!

    I’m gonna start practicing now. (Clears throat)

    get OVER it

    GET over it

    get over IT

    I wonder how many different ways that can be said?

    I bet we’re fixin’ to find out!
    ———————-
    The GORACLE lost his home state of Tennessee. That’s why he lost the election in 2000. :)

  155. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    NRA Endorses McCain!

    http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/09/nra-makes-it-official-endorse-mccain-palin/

    October 9th, 2008 1:15 PM Eastern
    NRA Makes It Official: Endorse McCain-Palin
    by Fin Gomez

    Not a big surprise. The National Rifle Association has officially endorsed the McCain-Palin campaign for president. Here is their release:

    Fairfax, VA. – The National Rifle Association’s (NRA) Executive Vice President, Wayne LaPierre, and NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) Chairman Chris W. Cox are traveling to Pittsburgh, Pa., Springfield, Mo., Colorado Springs, Colo. and Reno, Nev. today for a series of press conferences endorsing Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin for President and Vice President respectively in the November 4 election.

    “John McCain has more than two decades of pro-gun and pro-hunting votes in Congress. He has stood time and again to preserve our Second Amendment freedom and our rich hunting heritage,” said LaPierre. “Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin have earned the NRA-PVF’s endorsement and we will encourage gun owners, hunters and anyone who values freedom to vote McCain-Palin on November 4.”

    “NRA members and gun owners will not allow Barack Obama to hide his radical record of opposition to our constitutional rights,” said Cox. “Obama has voted to make self-defense with a firearm in the home illegal, has voted to ban the most commonly owned hunting shotguns, has voted to ban commonly owned hunting ammunition, and has supported a 500% tax increase on guns and ammunition. We will remind voters every single time he pretends that his anti-gun record doesn’t exist.”

  156. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Legitimate question – Are most of you really socialists or consider yourself that or just clueless to what you actually support?

  157. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    “At the very least it went thru the proper channels of the judicial system vs. voter fraud.”

    Uh, no.

    It did NOT “go through the proper channels. It went directly to SCOTUS, in a “one time only” ruling that they did not want to set precedent. It was unique in our history.

    Nice try though. We are amused, and we do encourage you to try again…

  158. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    “MSNBC says the Connecticut Supreme Court just ruled that same sex marriage in that state IS legal!!!!!”

    It’s still completely unnatural and Queer!
    Always has been, always will be.

  159. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Max, why didn’t those lousy NRA people fight before Katrina? Why is there a “deal” made to retrieve the stolen guns? Why did the lawful owners have their guns taken in the first place? The NRA is useless and are the opposite of what they stand for.

    Gun Owners of America!

  160. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Hey Kia.

    Legitimate question – Are most of you cons and repukes really fascists or consider yourself that or just clueless to what you actually support?

  161. DavidB
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I just called the Sedgwick County Election Office and confirmed there is nothing implicitly illegal about truthfully filling out multiple applications for a voter registration.

  162. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g3fAiwPDfo1yrqXHLMY2xx8sv5ygD93MKL501

    NRA ad uses Clinton’s words against Obama on guns
    By SHARON THEIMER – 1 day ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The National Rifle Association is turning to Hillary Rodham Clinton to bolster its criticism of Barack Obama’s positions on gun issues.

    The NRA’s Political Victory Fund planned a national newspaper ad Thursday reviving a Clinton mailing that accused Obama of waffling on gun issues. Clinton’s campaign sent the mailing when the New York senator was challenging Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination. It accuses Obama of changing his statements on gun issues to try to fit the audience he was addressing.

    “Hillary was right: You can’t trust Obama with your guns,” says the NRA political action committee’s ad, scheduled to run in USA Today. The PAC has spent at least $2.3 million on anti-Obama efforts, including more than $100,000 on the new USA Today ad.

    The NRA ad includes a reproduction of Clinton’s mailing, which mentioned Obama’s comment at an April fundraiser in San Francisco that some small-town voters bitter about lost jobs “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    “We believe that he’s trying to fog the issue and confuse the voter, and he says he’s for the Second Amendment while he votes to run the firearms industry and the Second Amendment out of business,” Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s executive vice president, said in an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press.

  163. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Looks like AIG is assdeep into the democrats and john mccain did try to stop them back in 2004.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-02-04-kerry-aig_x.htm

  164. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    The biggest socialist act in our nation was proposed by bush and paulson, and you want to know if WE are socialist?

    heh. Heheh. HEHEHEHEH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA!

  165. Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    It’s gonna get worse.

    I’m wondering if ANY of our con posters here will manage to avoid forever humiliating themselves with posts that reek of pettiness and desperation.

    Just like the Titanic, McCain and the Republicans are gonna stick their butt WAY up in the air while they go down.

  166. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    “It’s still completely unnatural and Queer!
    Always has been, always will be.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. HAHAHAHAHAH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    this moment of comedic bigotry brought to you by boxlicker.

    I’m starting to think boxy is really terry fox.

    Say, did he EVER pay his taxes?

  167. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Mccain should have attempted to get his plane off the ship, or maybe have released the bombs from the wings before the took off on their own. Instead he just saved his own ass. Big Hero.

  168. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Here is the NRA AD, which features the Hillary Clinton mailer warning Democrats about Obama’s gun-ban position:

    http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/NRA_obamausatoday1009.pdf

  169. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    How does one “truthfully” fill out multiple applications for a voter registration?

  170. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    #
    Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    It’s okay Box, when XXX was in Vietnam, he raped 12 year old girls and molested young boys.

    I saw it on a Website that all Vietnam grunts did this sort of thing.
    _________________________________________________

    Reg, you forgot the part about how I ate dead burnt babies.

    Try for a little accuracy in the future.

  171. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink
    Legitimate question – Are most of you really socialists or consider yourself that or just clueless to “what you actually support?”
    ———————————————-
    anything that that isn’t american.

  172. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    A linky to the good news from Connecticut

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27117467/

  173. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    #
    BlueJay
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Just like the Titanic, McCain and the Republicans are gonna stick their butt WAY up in the air while they go down.
    _______________________________________________
    HAHAHAHA!
    Good one, BJ!

  174. DavidB
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    LOL.. ya don’t now what “truthfully” means?

  175. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    bigotry = anything you (con) disagree with, find distateful or inapropriate.

    usually followed by a “phobic”

  176. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    XXX

    Boxlock called you a liar. Are you? Or just ignorant of the facts of the Forrestal fire?

    By the way, voting for Obama bin Biden?

    Really don’t want to keep those guns of your very bad do you?

  177. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Just like the Titanic, McCain and the Republicans are gonna stick their butt WAY up in the air while they go down.

    ================================================================

    Barney Frank and BlueJay are both turned-on by this idea!

  178. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Hee hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Looking at the con posts here today, one can only conclude that, at least for today, it SUCKS to be them!

    Bitter? Party of thousands? Your tables are ready…

  179. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    I want less Federal Government involement in our lives. Period. If that’s facist so be it.

  180. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    #
    DavidB
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I just called the Sedgwick County Election Office and confirmed there is nothing implicitly illegal about truthfully filling out multiple applications for a voter registration.
    ————————————-
    Yeah there is, they call that perjury and it’s a felony to lie filling out a voter affidavit (voter application.)

    Idiot
    ————————————————

    25-2316a. False swearing to an affidavit; penalty. False swearing to an affidavit to obtain a ballot is falsely swearing to an affidavit given to satisfy the requirements of subsection (a) or subsection (b) of K.S.A. 25-2316c.

    False swearing to an affidavit to obtain a ballot is a class B misdemeanor.

    25-2411. Election perjury. Election perjury is intentionally and knowingly falsely swearing, affirming, declaring or subscribing to any of the following: (a) Statements in answer to questions put to a person who has been challenged as unqualified to vote.

    (b) Statements in answer to questions put to a witness concerning the qualifications of any person to vote.

    (c) Statements contained in any affidavit which is prescribed by chapter 25 of the Kansas Statutes Annotated or any other election law of the state, or which is prescribed in any manner by the secretary of state or any county election officer under the election laws of this state.

    (d) Statements in answer to questions put by a county election officer or deputy county election officer relating to application for voter registration of any person.

    (e) Statements in answer to questions put by an election board member to a person asking for voter assistance because of age, visual handicap, lack of proficiency in reading the English language or physical disability.

    (f) Statements of any witness at an election contest.

    Election perjury is a severity level 9, nonperson felony.

    25-2412. Election forgery. Election forgery is: (a) Knowingly and with intent to induce official action, signing or otherwise affixing any name other than one’s own name to a certificate of nomination, nomination paper or any petition under the election laws of this state;

    (b) marking any other person’s ballot without such person’s consent; or

    (c) marking any other person’s ballot contrary to the directions of such person.

    Election forgery is a severity level 8, nonperson felony.

    25-2416. Voting without being qualified. Voting without being qualified is knowingly and willfully: (a) Voting or attempting to vote at any election when not a lawfully registered voter.

    (b) Voting or offering to vote more than once at the same election.

    (c) Inducing or aiding any person to vote more than once at the same election.

    Voting without being qualified is a class A misdemeanor.

    25-2431. False impersonation of a voter. False impersonation of a voter is representing oneself as another and thereas voting or attempting to vote.

    False impersonation of a voter is a severity level 9, nonperson felony

  181. Hud
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    “Mccain should have attempted to get his plane off the ship…”

    How does one “attempt” to get his plane off the ship? Magic button?

  182. Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Thanks XXX

    Try your waitresses and tip the veal.

    I like imagery of the Titanic as illustrative of the Republicans. It’s too bad they’ve put all of America in a similar situation.

    Right now, they are all running and sliding all over the deck.

    I wonder, when will they become all wistful and accepting?

    BlueJay gets them started (humming lowly)

    Nearer my God to thee…..

  183. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Phantom

    “Mccain should have attempted to get his plane off the ship, or maybe have released the bombs from the wings before the took off on their own”

    Another one who doesnt know what happened on the Forrestal. Or a liar?

    The missile that fired from electrical malfuntion was on a plane across the deck. It flew across the deck and hit near McCains plane. McCains plane was not hooked to a catapult. It WAS hooked to a refueling line. How was he supposed to take off.

    Get educated or quit lying.

  184. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Obama, if elected, could still burnish his populist credentials by calling for some sort of tax hike on corporations or the top 1 percent of earners. But odds are he’d get shouted down. In the midst of a scary recession, many economists have already been pointing out the devastating effects of Herbert Hoover’s 1932 tax increases, widely blamed for deepening the Depression.
    ———————————–
    Hoover.

  185. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    What will be your first actions and what are your expectations when Barack Obama is named President-elect on November 4?

    Mine will be to start stock piling weapons.
    NOT for pre-emptive use against anyone. For protection and survival.

  186. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Will the DOW make it to under 8,000 before or after lunchtime?

  187. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    ” When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred

    The Forrestal Crew

    I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.

    Source

    Is There Any Truth To This?

    McCain’s various stories never added up. Somehow, he was at the center of the USS Forrestal fire.”
    ________________________________________________

    Amazing what you can get away with when daddy is the admiral.

  188. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    “For protection and survival.”

    ——-

    Have you guys figured out some kind of signal, secret indicator of “I’m one of yours so please don’t shoot?”

  189. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    East coast or local time?

  190. Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Attention Republicans!

    Keep order! Keep order I say!

    The lifeboats WILL be seated according to class!

    Tycoons and white collar crooks first!

  191. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
    “For protection and survival.”

    ——-

    Have you guys figured out some kind of signal, secret indicator of “I’m one of yours so please don’t shoot?”
    ————————————————–

    LOL.
    I’m thinking of another Great Depression and the need of food actually.
    But don’t come over uninvited either LOL :)

  192. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink
    Max, why didn’t those lousy NRA people fight before Katrina? Why is there a “deal” made to retrieve the stolen guns? Why did the lawful owners have their guns taken in the first place? The NRA is useless and are the opposite of what they stand for.
    ===========================================================================

    Pleefer, the NRA:

    1. Pushed for court injunctions to halt gun confiscations at the time.

    2. Pushed for passage of HR 5013 to prohibit gun confiscations in the future. BY THE WAY, OBAMA voted AGAINST THIS BILL!!!!!

    3. Pushed for the return of all confiscated firearms.

    http://www.nraila.org/grassrootsalerts/Read.aspx?ID=360
    · Enactment of the “Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act.” Within a year of Hurricane Katrina hitting the Gulf Coast, Congress passed the NRA-backed H.R. 5013, sponsored by Representative Bobby Jindal (R-La.), by an overwhelming 322-99 vote. This bill amended federal emergency laws to prohibit federal, state, and local authorities from confiscating lawfully-owned firearms during emergencies or disasters. Senator David Vitter’s (R-La.) amendment to prohibit the use of funds appropriated under the Homeland Security appropriations bill (H.R. 5441) for the confiscation of lawfully possessed firearms during an emergency or disaster passed the U.S. Senate by an historic 84-16 vote. The Jindal bill was substituted for the Vitter amendment in the conference committee and President Bush signed it into law on October 4.

  193. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink
    Attention Republicans!

    Keep order! Keep order I say!

    The lifeboats WILL be seated according to class!

    Tycoons and white collar crooks first!
    ————————————————–

    You won’t find any of your people here it’s all steerage.

  194. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    #
    Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    I want less Federal Government involement in our lives. Period. If that’s facist so be it.
    ________________________________________________
    TRANSLATE:
    I’m a republican and I don’t want anybody looking over my shoulder while I steal everything that isn’t nailed down.

  195. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Heh Linda. I’m betting on after. On my way to town to the co-op for chicken feed, then to the soda fountain for a burger and shake at the soda fountain. I’ll report back on the consensus of the cracker barrel crowd.

    You really need to get out here soon, before the soda fountain goes away.

    My offer to buy burgers at Clelands for anyone who visits is still open!

  196. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Where do you live farmgirl? I love a good burger.

  197. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Berlusconi Says Leaders May Close World’s Markets (Update1)

    By Steve Scherer

    Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) — Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said political leaders are discussing the idea of closing the world’s financial markets while they “rewrite the rules of international finance.”

    “The idea of suspending the markets for the time it takes to rewrite the rules is being discussed,” Berlusconi said today after a Cabinet meeting in Naples, Italy. A solution to the financial crisis “can’t just be for one country, or even just for Europe, but global.”

    The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell as much 8.1 percent in early trading and pared most of those losses after Berlusconi’s remarks. The Dow was down 0.5 percent to 8540.52 at 10:10 in New York.

    Group of Seven finance ministers and central bankers are meeting in Washington today, and will stay in town for the International Monetary Fund and World Bank meetings this weekend. European Union leaders may gather in Paris on Oct. 12, three days before a scheduled summit in Brussels, Berlusconi said today, while Group of Eight leaders may hold a meeting on the crisis “in coming days,” he said.

    Berlusconi didn’t give any details about what kind of rules leaders were looking to change, except to say that leaders are “talking about a new Bretton Woods.”

    The Bretton Woods Agreements were adopted to rebuild the international economic system after World War II in a hotel in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. The aim of the agreements was to establish a monetary management system, initially by pegging currencies to gold. The IMF was set up later to help manage the international financial system.

    To contact the reporter on this story: Steve Scherer in Rome at scherer@bloomberg.net

    Last Updated: October 10, 2008 10:15 EDT
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aP5mpMUORBWM

  198. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl posts;
    “HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. HAHAHAHAHAH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.”

    What he heck is that…..OH!
    http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=BDX/BDX322/bxp58623.jpg

  199. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    BeeJay- I wonder, when will they become all wistful and accepting?
    ————————————
    Like a libturd?
    Team Obama whines that their man’s close associations with crazed “religious leaders” like Rev. Jeremiah A. “God damn America” Wright, Jr. and Father Michael Pflager, convicted criminals like Tony Rezko, radical terrorists like William Ayers, foreign extremists like Kenya’s Raila Odinga and communists like Frank Marshall Davis should be ignored by voters.

    The truth is that Obama has a huge guilty association problem of his own making and voters would be both foolish and derelict in their duty as voters if they ignored it.

    bahhhhh……
    bahhhhh……

    feed at the community trough sheeple….

  200. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    XXX

    Liar or Ignorant? Just curious.

  201. Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    “You really need to get out here soon, before the soda fountain goes away.”

    Working on it…

  202. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink
    Berlusconi Says Leaders May Close World’s Markets (Update1)
    —————————————————-
    That can’t be good.

  203. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Nope

  204. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Heckler posts;
    “Get educated or quit lying.”

    Heckler,
    They have no honor or self-respect and will lie about anything to serve their purpose no matter how base or ignorant.

  205. Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    “Team Obama whines blah blah yackety schmackety blah”

    I don’t hear “team Obama” whining about much of anything. Indeed, Senator Obama has invited Senator McCain to say whatever it is he has to say face to face.

    Instead of having a pig in lipstick shill it to the sheep?

  206. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Thanks to Julie this showed up in my mailbox. I can’t do anything about this mess so may as well attempt to laugh (so I won’t cry…)

    Investment tips for 2008
    With all the turmoil in the market today and the collapse of Lehman Bros and Acquisition of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America this might be some good advice. For all of you with any money left, be aware of the next expected mergers so that you can get in on the ground floor and make some BIG bucks.

    Watch for these consolidations in later this year:

    1.) Hale Business Systems, Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush, and W R. Grace Co. Will merge and become:
    Hale, Mary, Fuller, Grace.

    2.) Polygram Records, Warner Bros., and Zesta Crackers join forces and become:
    Poly, Warner Cracker.

    3.) 3M will merge with Goodyear and become:
    MMMGood.

    4. Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining will merge and become:
    ZipAudiDoDa .

    5. FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become:
    FedUP.

    6. Fairchild Electronic s and Honeywell Computers will become:
    Fairwell Honeychild.

    7. Grey Poupon and Docker Pants are expected to become:
    PouponPants.

    8. Knotts Berry Farm and the National Organization of Women will become:
    Knott NOW!

    And finally…

    9. Victoria ’s Secret and Smith &Wesson will merge under the new name:
    TittyTittyBangBang

  207. annie_moose
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    hmmmmmmmmmmmm

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197554,00.html

    WASHINGTON — Wall Street powerhouse Goldman Sachs has a long list of alumni who have gone onto government service, and it looks like it’s about to give up one more of its protégés with the nomination of Chairman and CEO Henry M. Paulson Jr. to head the Treasury Department.

    The move won’t be uncommon for Goldman Sachs employees. At least among its financial competitors, Goldman Sachs appears to be head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to putting former employees into the halls of government. For years, résumés around Washington have sported the company name, and those with the job experience have gone on to positions as Cabinet officials, agency analysts, advisory board members and even U.S. lawmakers.

    “I don’t know of any other company in the United States who has quite this tradition. Certainly not on Wall Street,” said Stephen Hess, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a liberal-leaning Washington, D.C., think tank.

    With the ease of an Internet search, it’s easy to cobble together a list of Goldman Sachs current and former executives, partners and board members who have moved on to serve in the public sector. Most of the job posts involve economics, but some have broadened their professional portfolios by serving in an array of other government policy positions.
    Related

    A the top of the list are names like New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten and former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. Corzine was CEO of the brokerage before he won a Senate seat in 2000. Until taking up work with the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2000, Bolten was executive director for legal and government affairs at Goldman Sachs International in London. Rubin was co-chairman of Goldman Sachs until 1992, when he was confirmed for his Cabinet seat in the Clinton administration.

    But company officials have filled in heavy-lifting posts in less visible areas, too.

    The Goldman Sachs’ alumni who have served in government include Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick; former president and chairman of the Export-Import Bank of the United States Kenneth D. Brody; chairman of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board and former director of the National Economic Council Stephen Friedman; Reagan Deputy Secretary of State John C. Whitehead; and Reagan Assistant Secretary of State for Economic and Business Affairs Robert Hormats. Goldman Sachs’ graduate James Johnson served as president and CEO of quasi-government housing lender Fannie Mae.

    Part of the reason for such prominent roles might be due to a corporate culture that pushes it. A letter to the company’s investors accompanying the 2005 annual report notes that “Goldman Sachs has a long tradition of public service. Many of our people have gone on to significant positions in government and the not-for-profit sector and their achievements are a source of pride for all of us.”

  208. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Typical response from Libs on this board. When caught lying/factually wrong they just disappear. Occasionally they’ll respond by calling you names.

    Weak.

  209. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    World Bank Under Cyber Siege in ‘Unprecedented Crisis’

    The World Bank Group’s computer network — one of the largest repositories of sensitive data about the economies of every nation — has been raided repeatedly by outsiders for more than a year, FOX News has learned.

    It is still not known how much information was stolen. But sources inside the bank confirm that servers in the institution’s highly-restricted treasury unit were deeply penetrated with spy software last April. Invaders also had full access to the rest of the bank’s network for nearly a month in June and July.

    In total, at least six major intrusions — two of them using the same group of IP addresses originating from China — have been detected at the World Bank since the summer of 2007, with the most recent breach occurring just last month.

    In a frantic midnight e-mail to colleagues, the bank’s senior technology manager referred to the situation as an “unprecedented crisis.” In fact, it may be the worst security breach ever at a global financial institution. And it has left bank officials scrambling to try to understand the nature of the year-long cyber-assault, while also trying to keep the news from leaking to the public.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,435681,00.html

  210. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    #
    Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    XXX

    Liar or Ignorant? Just curious.
    ________________________________________________
    Heckler

    Stupid or demented? Just curious.

  211. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink
    Typical response from Libs on this board. When caught lying/factually wrong they just disappear. Occasionally they’ll respond by calling you names.

    Weak.
    =======

    Yes, and it will continue. See XXX above.

  212. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    annie_goose
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:17 am | Permalink
    hmmmmmmmmmmmm
    ——————————-
    hmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Obama has more than tripled McCain’s take, hauling in over $690,000, making Goldman Sachs’ the largest single source of contributions for Obama.

    bahhhhhhhhh………
    bahhhhhhhhh………

  213. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Due to the bank crisis, I predict sales of mason jars and shovels will rise.

  214. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:00 am | Permalink
    What will be your first actions and what are your expectations when Barack Obama is named President-elect on November 4?

    Mine will be to start stock piling weapons.
    NOT for pre-emptive use against anyone. For protection and survival.

    ==========================================================

    You need to start NOW, Mr Kia.

    Record domestic sales over the last 2 years in anticipation of gun banners getting elected, have led to shortages of firearms & ammo, and higher prices.

    Shortages & Prices will get much worse on 11/5/08 if BHO is named the winner.

    So, your build-up of inventory should be COMPLETE on or before 11/5/08.

  215. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    XXX

    True to form I see. Looking like a coward. I’m just sayin.

    Liar or ignorant of the facts?

  216. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Clearly the prophecies are coming true, Bush is the anti-christ and is hearlding in the destruction of the civilized world.
    Can I get an amen

  217. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:02 am | Permalink
    “For protection and survival.”

    ——-

    Have you guys figured out some kind of signal, secret indicator of “I’m one of yours so please don’t shoot?”

    ========================================================

    YES.

    Those shooting at your house are your enemies.

    Those shooting at the ones who are shooting at your house, are your friends.

    http://www.redcounty.com/riverside/2008/07/nra-the-untold-story-of-gun-co/

  218. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Always seems to be the Libs making references to violence as well. No different today.

  219. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Not to mention prozac, and other mental illness drugs.

  220. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    “The truth is, there is no scenario in which lawful gun owners should agree that government can come into their homes and disarm them.”

    http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=203&issue=55

  221. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Rocker Ted Nugent: What I’d Do as President

    Rocker Ted Nugent pulls no punches on what he’d do as president to those on welfare in America: deport them.

    The Michigan rocker and avid hunter espouses his views on the state of the nation in his new book, “Ted, White and Blue: The Nugent Manifesto” (Regnery, $27.95), in which he outlines his plans for America if he were to win the nation’s highest office.

    “Able-bodied Americans who refuse to work will be sent to Cuba, Mexico, England and France,” Nugent says according to the New York Post’s Page Six, which reports the Nuge would eliminate welfare in a “Cat Scratch Fever” administration.

    “[I'd] instruct the U.S. military warriors to do their job — win the global war on terror right now and eliminate all threats from all sources by any means necessary,” he writes in an excerpt printed by Page Six.

    Nugent’s plan to run the country includes ending dues payments to the United Nations and taking “appropriate gas and oil from Mexico and the Middle East as payment for all debts we are owed by them.”

    Also on the chopping block: diplomatic immunity and taxpayer health care for those elected to office.

    I love that crazy SOB!

  222. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    I wonder if the guy that burned up in his car had just seen his life savings bite the dust? Or if it was some kind of weird accident.

  223. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    “The biggest socialist act in our nation was proposed by bush….”

    The biggest socialist act in our nation was approved by the democrats in Congress….

    Don’t you just love this back and forth blame game?

  224. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Nugent for Secretary of State! LOL

  225. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    I think the Nug might startle Putin a scotche.

  226. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    I thought the market was only for the rich and there was nothing to the trickle down economics theory?

  227. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Ted Nugent would definitely make BlueJay pee pee in fear!

  228. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Slattery’s ad illustrates the trickle down theory.

  229. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    OK, coward Libs you can post now. I am signing of for a bit.

  230. Predestined
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Time for some humor.

    For anyone who missed last night’s SNL mid-week special, here’s a link to it.

    http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-debate-open/742065/

  231. avtolle
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Letter to the editor in NY Times from Weather Underground prosecutor reproduced in full here:

    http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003873017

    Interesting take by the prosecutor.

  232. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    What’s the matter, Heckler? Am I getting to you?
    Well let me throw you another bone:

    “the Pentagon’s records would reveal McCain had collaborated with the Vietnamese. “He didn’t want nobody to check his background because a lot of POWs who were with him in the camp said he was a collaborator with the enemy,” Dumas said. “He gave the enemy information they wanted.”

    “information shows that he made over 32 tapes of propaganda for the Vietnamese government.”

    Republicans Allege McCain Covered Up His Collaboration with the North Vietnamese While a POW
    http://www.alternet.org/election08/99663/republicans_allege_mccain_covered_up_his_collaboration_with_the_north_vietnamese_while_a_pow/

  233. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    “Letter to the editor in NY Times from Weather Underground prosecutor”

    Proves nothing. Except maybe that the bleeding heart liberals have totally infiltrated the courtrooms of America.

    Instead, why not read the letters by the victims of the bombings by Ayers terrorist squad?

    The one with a broken back, the one in the wheelchair, the policeman who became disabled and lost his job and earnings.

    How about the nine year old boy who ran screaming out of his burning fire-bombed home?

    Those nice terrorists. Shame on the victims and those who seek justice – to be upset.

  234. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    XXX

    #3 on the Lib list of tactics to follow when caught lying/ignorant. Change the subject.

    But what else could I expect from a gun owner who would vote for two politicians who have arguably the most anti-gun records in the country, and are so willing to LIE so brazenly about it.

    So XXX, were you lying with that statement you made about McCain or merely uninformed?

  235. Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Thank you Counselor.

    “NEW YORK In a surprising a letter to the editor published in The New York Times today, the chief prosecutor of the Weather Underground in the 1970s expressed outrage over the linking of Barack Obama to Bill Ayers by the McCain campaign, adding, “Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.”

    William C. Ibershof also corrects a charge in the Times: “I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of ‘prosecutorial misconduct.’ It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.” “

  236. annie_moose
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGwdsyxKzu8

    NRA spys on gun control groups wouldn’t surprise me if they infiltrated ACORN also

  237. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    When Obama’s association with William Ayers was raised at a Democratic debate this year, Obama replied: “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood. . . . He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.”

    Tuesday’s release of papers from a Chicago school reform project known as the Annenberg Challenge shows once again Barack Obama has a problem with the truth.

    The long-sought records that were kept under wraps at the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois, Chicago (UIC), show that Obama and Ayers attended board meetings, retreats and at least one news conference as the education project got under way. The records also show the two continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 operation of the program.

    Clearly the relationship between Ayers and Obama is much deeper and longer than Obama admits. They in fact were partners in various entities and regularly exchanged ideas, including on how to turn Chicago schools into re-education camps to create a generation of social revolutionaries.

    Tuesday’s release of the papers of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge were sought by the National Review’s Stanley Kurtz, who had met a stone wall erected by Obama’s UIC friends. UIC temporarily closed the supposedly public archives after Kurtz inquired. Ayers, who has long taught there, may have had a hand in suppressing the documents showing Obama to be a liar.

    The UIC records show that in the 1990s, Ayers was instrumental in starting the Annenberg Challenge, securing a $50 million grant to reform the Chicago Public Schools, part of a national initiative funded by Ambassador Walter Annenberg, who died in 2002.

    Obama was given the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office. He ran the fiscal arm that distributed grants to schools and raised matching funds. Ayers participated in a second entity known as the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, the operational arm that worked with grant recipients. They met and talked often.

    When Obama first ran for office, articles in the Chicago Defender and the local Hyde Park Herald mentioned his Annenberg chairmanship among his qualifications.

    During Obama’s tenure as Annenberg chairman, Ayers’ own education projects received substantial funding. As we’ve noted in our series, “The Audacity of Socialism,” Ayers, now a tenured distinguished professor of education at UIC, works to educate teachers in socialist revolutionary ideology, urging that it be passed on to impressionable students.

    One of Ayer’s descriptions for a course called “Improving Learning Environments” says prospective K-12 teachers need to “be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and . . . be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, teaching for social justice and liberation.”

    The Annenberg papers are quite extensive — 132 boxes containing 947 file folders with 70 linear feet of material. They undoubtedly contain more surprises regarding Obama’s relationship with Ayers, one of many relationships Obama has sought to hide.

    Obama is actively trying to suppress a campaign ad by an independent group that notes Obama’s long and intimate relationship with Ayers. The ad is put out by the conservative American Issues Project (AIP) and financed by Texas billionaire Harold Simmons.

    Simmons was one of the main funders of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Democrats cry Obama is being “swift boated” and blame that examination of John Kerry for his loss, not his less than swift campaign.

    The ad factually states: “Obama’s political career was launched in Ayers’ home. And the two served together on a left-wing board. Why would Barrack Obama be friends with someone who bombed the Capitol and is proud of it? Do you know enough to elect Barack Obama?”

    We say not nearly enough. As columnist and political analyst Michael Barone points out, Obama has left no papers from his Illinois Senate days. Nor has he listed his law firm clients or provided more than one page of his medical records.

    Obama has tried to distance himself from Ayers, his former campaign contributor and foundation colleague. When asked in the Pennsylvania debate if he could “explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?” Obama’s lame response was that “the notion that somehow, as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense to me.”

    It makes sense to us. Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground organization that bombed the U.S. Capitol and Pentagon four decades ago, wasn’t just a passing acquaintance to Obama.

    When Obama was making his first run for the Illinois Senate, Ayers and terrorist wife Bernadine Dohrn had Obama to his house for a 1995 campaign event. Ayers also served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago for three years and made a donation to the Friends of Barack Obama in 2001

    The AIP ad has run about 150 times in markets in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia and Michigan.

    Obama campaign lawyer Robert Bauer has warned station managers suggesting their broadcast license might be at risk: “Your station is committed to operating in the public interest, an objective that cannot be satisfied by accepting for compensation material of such malicious falsity.”

    Bauer has also written twice to the Justice Department demanding “prompt action to investigate and to prosecute” Simmons and AIP for violation of campaign laws and individual contribution limits. The problem is that, as the Annenberg papers show, the ad is breathtakingly true and accurate.

    The only thing needing investigating is why Obama is trying so hard to hide his past. Full disclosure is change we can believe in.

    Investors Business Daily

  238. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Here’s some more for you Heckler, since I obviously have your attention:

    “While being treated in the hospital, McCain made a series of propaganda statements for the communist including at least one television interview during which he gave specific “military information” pertaining to his mission. McCain was quoted in the communist press describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.”

    “In January 1980, soon after McCain met Cindy Hensley, a former cheerleader whose family owned one of the country’s largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship, it was Day, then a Fort Walton Beach attorney, who McCain called on to file divorce papers against his wife Carol.

    While McCain was imprisoned, Carol was in an auto wreck (Christmas Eve 1969). She was thrown through her car’s windshield and left permanently crippled. Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.

    When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. The accident “left her 4 inches shorter” (The Nightingale’s Song, by Robert Timberg) and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight.

    McCain wasted no time before he was out on the town partying. While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander of a Navy training unit, McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with female subordinates and “engage in extramarital affairs”

    http://www.usvetdsp.com/may08/day_bud_moh.htm

    Yes indeed, McCain is quite a piece of work. He set an aircraft carrier on fire. He sold out his country. He dumped his wife because she wasn’t attractive enough after surviving a car wreck.

  239. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t matter AVTOLLE what the former prosecutor opinion is, the point is that both Ayers and Obama share a common ideology, ‘the radical left.’

    Both are students of Saul Alysny, who wrote the ‘handbook for radicals’ and ‘community organizing.’

    Which, is based on Communist ideas of taking over a Democracy through socialistic ideology.

  240. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Maybe the govt. should buy up stocks on the open market!

  241. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Saul, Acorn, 9/11, Iraq, Saul,9/11, bin laden,saul,obama, obama, acorn, obama, ayers.
    There you go repub. talking points for the day.

  242. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    Grow a pair and answer the question.

    When challenged by Boxlock you made a reference to violence.

    Are you a coward and sucker puncher like JR?

  243. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    oops, that’s should be Saul Alinsky not Saul Alysny

  244. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    McCain has taken full responsibility for the failure of his first marriage.
    He stated this as his greatest regret.
    He’s not trying to sweep that under the rug or come off as a perfect person.

    I’m not going to touch the POW allegations as there is no fact to back it up other than the blogosphere.

  245. American_Way
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Barack Obama (aka “The Artful Dodger) seems to be trying to DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM EVERYONE HE HAS EVER KNOWN:

    “Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.”

    The Obama camp tries to suppress a campaign ad and university archives linking the candidate to a ’60s terrorist who hosted his first campaign fundraiser as Obama tries to distance himself from Ayers.

    Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign distanced itself Thursday from its $800,000 payment linked to the liberal ACORN organization, which is under investigation in several states where it is suspected of filing fraudulent voter registrations.

    I hope Senator Obama has the presence of mind to denounce and distance himself from Ludacris,” Hedayat wrote in an email to the Huffington Post. “In May, when Father Pfleger made those horrible remarks about Senator Clinton at Trinity United, Senator Obama didn’t do much to defend her and John McCain was the first to rush to her defense.”

    Obama Distances Himself From Wright. A few hours ago, Barack Obama went public on the controversy that has erupted over his spiritual mentor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In a sign of the times, he did it via a blog post on the Huffington Post.

    Obama distances himself from indicted supporter. Sixteen years ago, Chicago businessman Antoin “Tony” Rezko tried to hire bright young Harvard law student Barack Obama to work in his real estate development company. Obama said no, but it was the start of a political friendship. Rezko contributed thousands of dollars and raised thousands more as Obama ran for the Illinois legislature, the U.S. House and the U.S. Senate. He was even involved in Obama’s purchase of a family home. But now Rezko faces federal charges as the central figure in an Illinois corruption scandal, and Obama — whose Democratic presidential campaign emphasizes a squeaky-clean image — is scrambling to distance himself from his old supporter.

    James A. Johnson–the man chosen by Sen. Barack Obama to lead his vice presidential search committee—served as head of the Federal National Mortgage Association, or “Fannie Mae,” from 1991 to 1998, receiving a reported $21 million in compensation upon his departure. As CEO of Fannie Mae, Johnson set a goal of buying up $1 trillion in low-income mortgage loans, a move that eventually helped trigger what would become the sub-prime mortgage crisis.

    But, try as he might to distance himself from his erstwhile adviser, what Barack Obama CAN’T do is deny that Franklin Raines is a DEMOCRAT. A Democrat who dredges up all sorts of bad mojo for Democrats as they try to frantically scrub their hands of all the red ink and all the corruption that took place during Franklin Raines’ tenure at Fannie Mae. The Obama Campaign HAD Solicited Franklin Raines, Who “Stepped Down As Fannie Mae’s Chief Executive Under The Shadow Of A $6.3 Billion Accounting Scandal…

  246. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Amway

    Heh. If Raines were a white Republican male the Democrats would have frog-marched him to the top of the Capitol dome and crucified him.

  247. Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    From avtolle’s link:

    “As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

    Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

    Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

    I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

    William C. Ibershof
    Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008″

  248. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    #
    Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    Grow a pair and answer the question.
    _______________________________________________

    Or you’ll do exactly what?

  249. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    ….and if Terry Nichols had been a Liberal he’d have a cushy university position in the Northeast somewhere.

  250. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    I wont’t do anything. Except keep dogging you. It’s really simple.

    Admit you were wrong.

    or

    Admit you knowingly lied here today.

    No shame in being wrong. Hell KFG’s wrong all the time and it doesnt bother her.

  251. Jed
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Just in, Connecticut today became the third state to overturn their gay marriage ban, after Massachusetts and California. In its honor, there will be a Simultaneous Groaning in Unison scheduled during the normal Moment of Darkness and Isolation this Sunday morning in conservative churches across the country.

  252. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    World Bank Pirated in the Past Year by Hackers

    Lovely…

    The World Bank Group’s computer network — one of the largest repositories of sensitive data about the economies of every nation — has been raided repeatedly by outsiders for more than a year, FOX News has learned.

    It is still not known how much information was stolen. But sources inside the bank confirm that servers in the institution’s highly-restricted treasury unit were deeply penetrated with spy software last April. Invaders also had full access to the rest of the bank’s network for nearly a month in June and July.

    In total, at least six major intrusions — two of them using the same group of IP addresses originating from China — have been detected at the World Bank since the summer of 2007, with the most recent breach occurring just last month.

    In a frantic midnight e-mail to colleagues, the bank’s senior technology manager referred to the situation as an “unprecedented crisis.” In fact, it may be the worst security breach ever at a global financial institution. And it has left bank officials scrambling to try to understand the nature of the year-long cyber-assault, while also trying to keep the news from leaking to the public.

    more at Fox News…

  253. Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    “Are you a coward and sucker puncher like JR?”

    Would you care to better explain that remark mr. Heckler? Provide an example maybe?

    Nah, you’re just swingin’ wild. Mine happened to be the first nic you thought of to flail angrily at.

    SWING and a miss…

  254. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    And about the guns and Obama thing. John Lott was working at the same university as Obama at the same time. They ran into each other a time or two.

    At their first encounter Obama said ‘oh, you’re the gun guy.’ Lott acknowledged that he was. Obama said ‘I don’t think people should be allowed to own guns’. Straight out.

    Now if you couple that encounter with his legislative record you come out with one very anti-gun Lefty.

    But now he says he’s pro-gun. You reckon he had a true change of heart or he’s just lying for politcal gain?

    How do you give a schitt about the 2A and then vote for a pair like that XXX?? How do you do that?

  255. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    #
    Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    I wont’t do anything. Except keep dogging you. It’s really simple.

    Admit you were wrong.

    or

    Admit you knowingly lied here today.

    No shame in being wrong. Hell KFG’s wrong all the time and it doesnt bother her.
    ———————–
    One has to have a conscience to admit to that Heckler.

    I wouldn’t hold my breath for XXX admitting to anything as he’s pretty much void of a conscience.

  256. Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    “Hell KFG’s wrong all the time…”

    Examples?

    Nah, you’re just throwing sh&^ at the wall.

    We’ll put you in the “leans Franklin” column next to the “mental case” column where ol’ Regular lives.

  257. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    BJ

    “Would you care to better explain that remark mr. Heckler? Provide an example maybe?”

    Your one of the regular lefties around here who routinely make references to violence. No I’m not going to do a bone dig, most around here know this.

    I’m just basing my calculation on your own remarks on this board over the years. The picture you’ve created in my mind is one of a bully and a coward. It’s just the impression you’ve left with your words.

    A truly strong person doesnt need to make referenses to violence over words uttered on this schitty little blog. A strong person doesnt make threats, he/she acts, but only if necessary.

    It’s just the impression you leave Dude, nothing personal.

  258. Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    At their first encounter Obama said ‘oh, you’re the gun guy.’ Lott acknowledged that he was. Obama said ‘I don’t think people should be allowed to own guns’. Straight out.

    Uh huh. I’m sure that’s 100% true.

    I’ll be embarrassed for you, Heck.

  259. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    I bet a forensic psychologist would have a ball with the posters on a blog like this.

    The Eagle should get a university psychology department somewhere to do a forensic analysis of some of the more frequent posters on this blog. It’d be a hoot!

  260. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Rage

    I don’t think you’ll find that on Lotts web page. I believe I found that on David Hardy’s web site. Got the impression it was something Lott relayed to Hardy in conversation.

    You gonna call me a LIAR Rage? Go ahead, I’m pretty sure I can back it up with a source. But hey, it was stuff from a private conversation. Not credible right?

  261. Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    So,

    What you are saying is that your post was in error then Heckler.

    You were projecting your personal opinion as some sort of “fact”. You slipped into it again with “most around here know this.” Classic con. YOU say it so it must be true!

    JUST like how you say kfg is often wrong while you provide no evidence?

    Hey just because you and your side are weak doesn’t make me a bully Heckler.

  262. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    I wont’t do anything. Except keep dogging you. It’s really simple.

    Admit you were wrong.
    ________________________________________________

    I’m not wrong. Prove how I’m wrong.

    “I wont’t do anything.”

    You got that right.

    Dog away.

  263. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    #
    Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    And about the guns and Obama thing. John Lott was working at the same university as Obama at the same time. They ran into each other a time or two.

    At their first encounter Obama said ‘oh, you’re the gun guy.’ Lott acknowledged that he was. Obama said ‘I don’t think people should be allowed to own guns’. Straight out.

    Now if you couple that encounter with his legislative record you come out with one very anti-gun Lefty.

    But now he says he’s pro-gun. You reckon he had a true change of heart or he’s just lying for politcal gain?

    How do you give a schitt about the 2A and then vote for a pair like that XXX?? How do you do that?
    ________________________________________________

    Heckler, nobody is going to take away your guns. Don’t you republicans ever get tired of being scared to death?

    I assure you, Democrat or republican, nobody will take my guns until they pry my cold dead fingers off the triggers.

  264. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    BJ

    You made reference to violence on this very thread today. Don’t remember? You directed it to “cons”. You do it frequently.

    “JUST like how you say kfg is often wrong while you provide no evidence?”

    KFG’s never wrong JR, just ask her. I was just yankin her chain. She barks real good.

    And yes, It’s all just my opinion.

    “What you are saying is that your post was in error then Heckler”

    Explain please?

  265. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    #
    Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t hold my breath for XXX admitting to anything as he’s pretty much void of a conscience.
    _______________________________________________

    Blah, blah blah, blah…..

  266. Mr_Kia
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Hey Linda you’re under 8K.
    After lunch though.
    Not too worry. It’s just screwing the rich and there is nothing to the trickle down economic theory.

  267. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    Naive. Willfully so in the face of mountains of evidence. Sorry for your affliction.

    “I’m not wrong. Prove how I’m wrong.”

    Boxlock already did that I believe. He cited Wiki, which can be a little spotty, but christ, there must be a hundred sources that have the official analysis of what happened. The event is shown pretty clearly in video that was running on deck at the time of the accident. To say McCain caused it is just assinine. Look it up, it’s everywhere. Hell you can probably find the video on YOU TUBE.

  268. Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Awww I’m sorry if I scared you heckler.

    But I kinda get the feeling that’s hard NOT to do. This is common among cons.

    Word up?

    The sky IS falling. Well for Republicans anyway.

  269. cosmos_originally
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Regular posted October 10, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Alinsky taught his proteges to “HIDE” their true goals by any means necessary. Lying was fine.

    Guuiliani on Obama:
    (Interview with Andrea Mitchell)

    “Giuliani—”This guy, … A good friend of Ayers>/b>.”
    —————

    ‘Giuliani ties Obama to Saul Alinsky on Morning Joe…And manages to lie in less than 30 seconds.’
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/7/9646/16637
    “First Ayers.

    Then Wright.

    It looks like Saul Alinsky is on today’s McCain TP Memo.

    Mr. Mayor made a fool of himself on Morning Joe, and the transcript shows how Andrea Mitchell and Mika Brzezinski called him out.

    Giuliani—”This guy, educated in the Saul Alinsky methods. A good friend of Ayers.

    Mitchell—”But Mr. Mayor, the NY Times said he was not a good friend.

    Giuliani—”I didn’t say he was a friend. I said…”

    Brzezinski—”What are you saying?”

    Mitchell—”"You said he was a good friend.

    Giuliani—”… I don’t know if it was a friendship or not.

  270. Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Do you jump entertainingly when startled heckler?

    Heh

    BOO!

    http://www.electoral-vote.com/

  271. Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    BJ
    “Awww I’m sorry if I scared you heckler.”

    Huh? Did I miss something?

    More of your dillusions? It fits your profile.

  272. Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    From my link…

    “Are the Traditional Media Afraid to Tell the Truth?

    Pretty much all the election projection Websites like this one show Obama over 270 electoral votes. Even very overtly Republican Websites like Real Clear Politics and Election Projection have Obama at 277 and 364 electoral votes, respectively. In contrast, MSNBC and CNN have Obama at 264 and the New York Times has him at 260. Chris Bowers has a story on this descrepancy. He hypothesizes that they are afraid of being accused of being pro-Obama and would like a close race since that gets more readers/viewers. He ends with: “So much information is publicly available now that a few nerds obsessed with poll numbers are much better sources for election information than you will ever get from big media.” I guess that’s a compliment, sort of.”

    So much for the “liberal” media.

  273. Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Spell check is your friend heckler.

  274. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    #
    Heckler
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    XXX

    Naive. Willfully so in the face of mountains of evidence. Sorry for your affliction.

    “I’m not wrong. Prove how I’m wrong.”

    Boxlock already did that I believe. He cited Wiki
    ________________________________________________
    Well, I’m gaining ground. I’ve gone from being a liar and uninformed to just “naive”.

    “He cited Wiki”

    Ah ha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    nitwit

  275. Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink
    I got a chuckle out of a comment I read the other day.
    “This pretty much puts things in their proper perspective!

    Barack Obama has put out an ad saying that simple minded John McCain cannot use a computer.

    Well guess what!!! Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier.
    ==========================================

    Well, DAYUMMM Boxlicker…. And Roger Clemens had more strike-outs than Brett Favre!! DUHHH!!!!

    Can anybody say: Irrelevant! Immaterial! and PHONY cross matching???

    Do try harder, Boxlicker!!!

  276. Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Whats the matter MAXIE??? Your barrell so low to the bottom that you gotta start in with your worthless ad hominems???

    MAX = Irrelevant POS!!!

  277. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Carter is a smart man, and I’m in total agreement with him.
    “BRUSSELS (Reuters) – Former President Jimmy Carter said on Friday the “atrocious economic policies” of the Bush administration had caused the worst global financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

    ADVERTISEMENT

    Carter told reporters on a stopover in Brussels that “profligate spending,” massive borrowing and dramatic tax cuts since President George W. Bush took office in 2001 were behind the market turmoil and economic crisis.

    “I think it’s because of the atrocious economic policies of the Bush administration,” said the 84-year-old Democrat, who served in the White House from 1977-1981 during a period of high inflation and energy crisis.

  278. Marty Fufkin
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who says McCain started the fire on the carrier and abandoned his fellow shipmates is disgustingly dishonest. It is very clear from the evidence and for simpler minds the video, that McCain was in no way at fault.

    Some folks just enjoy wasting time being intelligently flawed.

  279. Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Check this out >>>> The TRUTH of the Obama SMEARS!!! In a nutshell!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QIGJTHdH50&feature=related

  280. Marty Fufkin
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Carter talking about economic policies…Now that is humorous indeed!

  281. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see, 10 billion a month that we don’t have for a war we didn’t need and massive tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations….

    It’s Clinton’s fault!!!!!!

  282. XXX
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    “While being treated in the hospital, McCain made a series of propaganda statements for the communist including at least one television interview during which he gave specific “military information” pertaining to his mission. McCain was quoted in the communist press describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.”

    “In January 1980, soon after McCain met Cindy Hensley, a former cheerleader whose family owned one of the country’s largest Anheuser-Busch distributorship, it was Day, then a Fort Walton Beach attorney, who McCain called on to file divorce papers against his wife Carol.

    While McCain was imprisoned, Carol was in an auto wreck (Christmas Eve 1969). She was thrown through her car’s windshield and left permanently crippled. Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.

    When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. The accident “left her 4 inches shorter” (The Nightingale’s Song, by Robert Timberg) and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight.

    McCain wasted no time before he was out on the town partying. While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander of a Navy training unit, McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with female subordinates and “engage in extramarital affairs”

    http://www.usvetdsp.com/may08/day_bud_moh.htm

    Yes indeed, McCain is quite a piece of work. He set an aircraft carrier on fire. He sold out his country. He dumped his wife because she wasn’t attractive enough after surviving a car wreck.

  283. Marty Fufkin
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps ’simpler minds’ was rather generous.

  284. SolDevVB
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge2J2lNusJs

  285. SolDevVB
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    http://uk.youtube. com/watch? v=S8QcpdUtxNQ&feature=related

  286. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Whew! What a roller coaster! Dow UP 50 points after being down as much as 700 earlier this same day…

  287. Predestined
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Oh, yeah, the Cons can copy & paste at length, but MINE is awaiting moderation.

  288. Predestined
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    In the air, the hard-partying McCain had a knack for stalling out his planes in midflight. He was still in training, in Texas, when he crashed his first plane into Corpus Christi Bay during a routine practice landing. The plane stalled, and McCain was knocked cold on impact. When he came to, the plane was underwater, and he had to swim to the surface to be rescued. Some might take such a near-death experience as a wake-up call: McCain took some painkillers and a nap, and then went out carousing that night.

    Off duty on his Mediterranean tours, McCain frequented the casinos of Monte Carlo, cultivating his taste for what he calls the “addictive” game of craps. McCain’s thrill-seeking carried over into his day job. Flying over the south of Spain one day, he decided to deviate from his flight plan. Rocketing along mere feet above the ground, his plane sliced through a power line. His self-described “daredevil clowning” plunged much of the area into a blackout.

    (from the same link as the one awaiting moderation)

  289. SolDevVB
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Near Fredericksburg, Texas, where there is a large German-speaking population, a farmer walking down a country road notices a man drinking from his pond with his hand.

    The farmer shouted: ‘Trink das wasser nicht. Die kuhen haben dahin gesheissen.’ (Which means: ‘Don’t drink the water, the cows have $hit in it.’

    The man shouted back: ‘I’m from New York and just down here campaigning for Obama, I can’t understand you.Please speak in English.’

    The farmer replied: ‘Use two hands, you’ll get more.

  290. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    I’d take the comparative Carter stable stock market to bush’s market anyday.
    The markets have gone bi-polar, down an hr. ago by 6%, then up 2 min. ago by 2%, now about where it started the day, no telling where it’ll wrap the day up at!
    I’ve never seen anything like it in following the markes in the last 30 yrs.!

  291. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Bush markets unrivalled since Hoover. Carter’s period looks golden next to bush’s.

  292. Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Republics sticking together:

    Colin Powell lauds Stevens’ character, honesty

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/53745.html

  293. Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Something to look forward to:

    ‘Troopergate’ report, at 263 pages, may be released today

    The Alaska Supreme Court has cleared for possible release to the public today the Legislature’s highly anticipated investigative report on whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power.

    The court Thursday rejected an attempt by a group of six Republican legislators to keep the report into the so-called Troopergate affair from being made public. That made way for members of the bipartisan Legislative Council, which ordered the investigation, to go ahead and pick up their copies of the report. The legislators signed confidentiality agreements promising not to show anyone, including their staff.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/53735.html

  294. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Palin cleared herself yesterday in a report she wrote herself. That’s all anyone needs to know.

  295. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    annie asked earlier about any kind of sign knowing friend from foe.

    mine’s easy, “who did you vote for?”

  296. avtolle
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/10/is_ayers_turning_off_voters.html

    Latest Fox poll; shows on the Ayers issue that 61% of the “independent” voters feel that this does not affect their opinion on for whom to vote, if I got that correct from memory.

    Ideology; from reading various posts, it seems that Saul Alinsky’s writings are of concern because a) there is recognition that his approach would likely be effective; and b) he’s not on the correct side so that his ideas and approaches could be employed by those who dislike them so much. If Sen. Obama is so ideologically tied to Alinsky’s writings, surely there would be those who were students in his classes at U Chicago School of Law who would have come forward by now to discuss the professor’s attempts to convert them (the students) to Alinsky’s position, or to proclaim that they were presented with Marxist theory in class. I’ve not seen nor heard anything like this happening, and I don’t think it is because students at the U Chicago School of Law are all “liberals”.

  297. avtolle
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    bth, that will be interesting; no matter the findings, the release of the report might knock stories about the economy “off the front page” or at least “below the fold” for a day or so, which is my understanding of the desires of the McCain/Palin campaign. They might just get what they want, but it might not be what they need (depending, of course, on the findings).

  298. Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    vt – perhaps more important – bounce the bitch’s (female pit bull) mud back at her.

  299. Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Stock market closed down – AGAIN. Time for chrisfrommactown to come on and explain that Obama caused the drop again.

  300. gster
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    “bth
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
    Stock market closed down – AGAIN. Time for chrisfrommactown to come on and explain that Obama caused the drop again.”

    Ben- You’ll have to give him some time to make up the necessary facts to support his, uh, “conclusion” (?).

  301. cosmos_originally
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Rage rising on the McCain campaign trail
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/
    “Also, the McCains said months ago they didn’t wanted their son Jimmy — a Marine serving in Iraq — dragged into the campaign.

    But on Thursday, Cindy McCain brought up her son.

    She criticized the Illinois senator for voting against a bill to fund troops in Iraq, a regular line of attack from her husband’s campaign.

    “The day that Sen. Obama cast a vote not to fund my son when he was serving sent a cold chill through my body, let me tell you,” she told a Pennsylvania crowd before introducing her husband and his No. 2.

    The vote Cindy McCain is referencing came in May 2007, when Obama was one of 14 senators who voted against a war-spending plan that would have provided emergency funds for American troops overseas.

    A CNN fact check deemed the charge that Obama voted against troop funding “misleading.”
    ————–

    Did it send a “cold chill” through her body, when her husband urged Bush to veto the earlier bill that funded American troops overseas, that Obama had voted for? Bush vetoed it.
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/fact-check-did-obama-vote-to-cut-funds-for-troops/

  302. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    “Republics sticking together:

    Colin Powell lauds Stevens’ character, honesty

    Problem is Collin has no credibility left.

  303. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Obama Muslim Outreach Coordinator Under Fire for Meeting With Extremists
    Barak Obama’s Muslim outreach adviser is under fire for meeting with Islamic groups with extremist views, just months after her predecessor resigned for links to a radical cleric.

    Barack Obama’s newly appointed Muslim outreach adviser is coming under fire for meeting with Islamic groups with extremist views, just two months after her predecessor resigned over links to a radical cleric.

    Minha Husaini met with members of several Islamic organizations in Virginia on September 15 — including some that terrorism experts say have ties to Hamas and the radical Muslim Brotherhood.

    Among the attendees were senior members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which was listed by federal prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terror-related trial.

    Several people connected to CAIR have been convicted of felonies — including on terrorism-related charges.

    CAIR bills itself as the nation’s largest Muslim civil-rights advocacy group. As recently as last year, it advised the Transportation Security Administration on sensitivity training regarding Muslim air travelers. Nihad Awad, a CAIR co-founder and executive director, met with President Bush in the aftermath of 9/11.

    But critics say CAIR has a long history of masquerading as a moderate Islamic group.

    “These groups, even if they themselves are not active terrorist organizations, do subscribe to large amounts of the ideology that fuels the terrorism that we are being confronted with,” said Andrew McCarthy, former Assistant U.S. Attorney.

    CAIR did not return repeated calls for comment.

    Awad, who was at the September meeting with Husaini, recently attended a dinner with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Also present at the Sept. 15 meeting was Mahdi Bray, who has publicly announced his support for the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Bray, the executive director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, raised his fist in the air during a rally in Washington in October 2000 to demonstrate his support for the terror groups.

    Bray refused to comment on the recent gathering. “It was a closed meeting,” he told FOX News.

    Johari Abdul Malik, imam of the Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church, Va., also participated in the meeting. During a conference in Chicago in 2001, he told attendees, “You can blow up bridges, but you cannot kill people who are innocent on their way to work.” In November 2004 he told followers, “You will see Islam move from being the second largest religion in America — to being the first religion in America.”

    Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign would not have sent a representative to the meeting had it known the list of participants.

    “This meeting was not organized by the campaign — our outreach staff attends many meetings in the course of each day and they accepted an invitation from community leaders to attend,” LaBolt told FOX News in a written statement.

    The Obama campaign’s previous Muslim outreach advisor, Mazen Asbahi — who stepped down in August following reports he was linked to a radical imam — also attended the meeting.

    In a brief telephone conversation, Asbahi refused to discuss why he was at the meeting or whom he was representing.

    According to LaBolt, “[Asbahi] is not an employee of the campaign and does not speak on behalf of the campaign.”
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/obamas-muslim-outreach-coordinator/

  304. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Johari Abdul Malik, imam of the Dar Al-Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church, Va., also participated in the meeting. During a conference in Chicago in 2001, he told attendees, “You can blow up bridges, but you cannot kill people who are innocent on their way to work.” In November 2004 he told followers, “You will see Islam move from being the second largest religion in America — to being the first religion in America.”

  305. avtolle
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    No, the McCain-Palin campaign won’t be issuing statements about the stock market and the economy, they want it off the front page, doggone it (notwithstanding Rick Davis’ comments about CNBC): http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Not_mentioning_the_market.html?showall

    Interesting that Mr. Davis believes that Sen. McCain’s mortgage plan could be an “elixir” for the economy. If so, why not promote it agressively? Could it be that the plan only benefits the bankers and others holding the mortgages, and as said by many economists that I’ve read and heard commenting on the plan that it shifts the risk of loss totally to the taxpayers?

  306. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Why did the Markets close down again today, one word, ACORN!

  307. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    ACORN, aren’t they the people that invented derivatives and CDS’s?
    Yup!

  308. Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely correct vt. There had been an earlier version that involved the government buying tham but at a discount. McCain would have nothing to do with that – the risk must not only be socialized but COMMUNIZED!

  309. Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    “Nihad Awad, a CAIR co-founder and executive director, met with President Bush in the aftermath of 9/11.”

    PROOF THAT BUSH IS A TERRORIST!!!!!

  310. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Ben, did Awad reall meet with Dipwad? You’re known by the company you keep.

  311. avtolle
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    And speaking of economists’ opinions on the McCain paln, even those who support him don’t like the plan (with one exception):

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/economists-for-mccain-tra_n_133718.html

  312. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I love Obama’s defense of his Ayers relationship, where he says he was only 8 years old at the time of the bombing.

    Fast forward to 2031, 30 years after 9/11, would it be OK for Obama to become friends with Osama?

    Afterall, it was 30 years ago when Osama bombed the USA.

  313. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    So obviously in your scenario, the 2031 world knows where Bin Laden is. Has he been charged, tried? Is he is prison or walking free because he was found innocent?

  314. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
    Whats the matter MAXIE??? Your barrell so low to the bottom that you gotta start in with your worthless ad hominems???

    MAX = Irrelevant POS!!!

    ===============================================================

    Yes Chas, agree, you are on the bottom. A Phony Preacher.

    Have a nice day.

    And may God have mercy on your soul.

  315. Freebird1971
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:14 am | Permalink
    . And I meant help those SOON TO BE helpless…not the wino on the corner. Do you not realize that there will be entire families on the street soon?

    Yes I do realize,but the only family I will be concerned about is mine

  316. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Marty Fufkin
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
    Carter talking about economic policies…Now that is humorous indeed!

    ===================================================================

    Yeah, great economy in the Carter days. His own party almost threw him out.

    Carter had a lower approval rating then Nixon at one point.

    But now, the anti-semite is somehow relevent?

    And the CRA was passed in 1977, when the Government pushed for more forced lending to unqualified borrowers.

    Great job Jimmy!

  317. cosmos_originally
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB posted October 10, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Near Fredericksburg, Texas, where there is a large German-speaking population, a farmer walking down a country road notices a man drinking from his pond with his hand. …
    —————
    That could be a true story (except for the fact that people don’t drink from ponds).

    There are some very ignorant, racist, extreme-right, red-neck republicans in rural Texas.

  318. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Maggotpuke- The change is also happening without geographical isolation, which was thought to be a precursor for evolution.
    ———————————-
    Really? You mean they are admitting to a error in the “theory?” Well gee, I wonder how many that makes!

  319. Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    “biased1″ –

    I think it’s Immaculate Conception and your new Jesus is a baby shark.

  320. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    That could be a true story (except for the fact that people don’t drink from ponds).

    There are some very ignorant, racist, extreme-right, red-neck republicans in rural Texas.
    —-

    You seriously need to get out more!

  321. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Monkeypuss
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink
    “biased1? –

    I think it’s Immaculate Conception and your new Jesus is a baby shark.
    ————————————
    but…but…the theory….it’s…it’s…SCIENCE!!!
    SCIENCE is..is… NEVER WRONG!!!
    It’s based on…on…on… PROVEN FACTS!!!

    oh NO…….
    good bye cruel world….

  322. JMWalker
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    O boy. So the dems are guilty of voter fraud because of Acorn. I got just the answer for that:
    North Dakota law requires that an application for an absentee ballot contain, among other things, spaces for a voters’ date of birth and their drivers license identification number. (Click here for NDCC § 16.1-17-06.) The Republican Party screwed up the application forms they distributed to their party faithful this year, and did not include those required two blanks.

    According to the story reported on KXMB TV’s website, Secretary of State Al Jaeger (R) has decided that — even though their forms do not comply with the law — his office is going to let the state Republican Party get away with using illegal application forms.

    The North Dakota Republican Party sent out this flyer with tear off applications.

    However, it did not ask for the voters date of birth or drivers license identifications number.

    A new law requires both of these pieces of information.

    Secretary of State Al Jaeger says despite the oversight, the applications will be accepted.
    ======================================================
    Of course all the applications were Republicans, and Secretary of State Al Jaeger is a Republican. But nothing smelly there, now, is there. But lets take it a step further:
    “Federal, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News.

    An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters.

    The allegations have set off a political firestorm stretching from Las Vegas to Washington D.C., and beyond.

    As with everything else in this election year, it’s now become a political football being tossed between the two parties, with charges and counter charges, but at its core, there still remains the matter of registration forms that were ripped up and tossed in the trash.

    Who did it, and why? That’s what official agencies will try to determine. On Tuesday afternoon, Las Vegan Eric Russell and his girlfriend took a packet of documents to the Las Vegas FBI office but left before filing a formal complaint about what Russell says was a deliberate effort to disenfranchise local voters.

    Russell worked for a company called Voters Outreach of America, along with 300 other people. He says he got into a beef with the company over a pay dispute, and witnessed his bosses ripping up registration forms that had been filed by democrats.”

  323. Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    You’ve got me wrong, “biased1″ –

    Your brand new baby shark Jesus has convinced me.

    And it explains all those fish placards on the cars of the twice-born.

  324. HLP
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES:

    * Obama voted to ban hundreds of rifles and shotguns commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
    Illinois Senate, SB 1195, 3/13/03

    * Obama endorsed a ban on all handguns
    Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/96
    Politico, 03/31/08.

    * Obama voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm for self-defense in their homes
    Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04

    * Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500 percent
    Chicago Defender, 12/13/99

    * Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
    United States Senate, S. 397, vote 217, 7/29/05

    * Obama opposes Right-to-Carry laws
    Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 4/2/08, Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04

  325. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    JMStalker- Of course all the applications were Republicans, and Secretary of State Al Jaeger is a Republican. But nothing smelly there, now, is there. But lets take it a step further:
    “Federal, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News.
    ——————————————-
    And the next step further, North Dakota has voted for the Republican candidate the last four presidential elections………

    Those cheatin’ basturds!

    That CAN’T be right!

    North Dakota and it’s people have waayyyyy too much in common with California, Pennsylvania and New York to EVER vote Republican!

  326. JMWalker
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    So just who is Voters Outreach of America?

    Voters Outreach of America (VOA) is a voter registration company run by its President and Treasurer, Aaron James. [1] VOA was accused of fraud aimed at preventing Democrats from voting in the 2004 U.S. elections.

    In an October 2004 posting, Josh Marshall pointed out that the description of VOA as a Republican funded or Republican backed organisation was justified as “you’ll note that on this VOA job flyer posted on careerbuilder.com it says ‘Paid for by the Republican National Committee. http://www.gop.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee’”. [2] (The link to the post on careerbuilder.com is dead and not in the Internet Archive.)

    According to Las Vegas, Nevada reporter George Knapp, former VOA employee Eric Russell charged in October 2004 that he had personally witnessed company supervisors destroying hundreds of voter registration forms filled out by Democratic voters. Russell “managed to retrieve a pile of shredded paperwork including signed voter registration forms, all from Democrats,” Knapp reported. “We took them to the Clark County Election Department and confirmed that they had not, in fact, been filed with the county as required by law.” As a result, “hundreds, perhaps thousands of voters who may think they are registered will be rudely surprised on election day.” [3]

    The company was also accused of similar voter registration fraud in the state of Oregon.[1]

    Earlier that year Max Blumenthal reported that James had been hired by Nathan Sproul of Sproul & Associates to get petition signatures to get Nader on the ballot. “According to several sources, two of the contractors Sproul hired to oversee petition gathering for No Taxpayer Money For Politicians — Aaron “A.J.” James, who directs Voters’ Outreach of America, and Diane Burns — were also paid by Sproul to get as many signatures as possible for Nader.”

    Voters’ Outreach of America is located in Phoenix, Arizona, and is a Get Out The Vote organization with connections to Sproul & Associates, a political consulting firm headed up by former Arizona state Republican Party executive director Nathan Sproul. It is also funded by the Republican National Committee.

    A local librarian checking on a company’s request to set up a voter registration booth in the library discovered the company was not affiliated with a non-partisan national group as it claimed.

    Sproul & Associates, Inc. of Phoenix, Ariz., phoned and mailed the library in September, saying it had been hired by America Votes.

    That came as news to America Votes.

    “This organization (Sproul) absolutely has nothing to do with America Votes,” said Kevin Looper, the state organizing director for America Votes.

    America Votes is a non-partisan political organization formed in July 2003 to increase voter registration, education and participation in electoral politics.

    Libraries in Oregon and other states have been contacted by Sproul. Looper said attorneys at America Votes’ Washington, D.C. headquarters have taken over.

    “We are in the process of pursuing all of our legal options to pursue (an order to) cease and desist.”
    ======================================================
    Hmmmmmmm . . . Sproul & Associates runs Voters outreach of America, which gets its funding from the Republican National Committee, lied about its affiliation with America votes. The same company is still in business, and still destroying Democrat registration cards in Nevada, Oregon and California. There’s no telling how many other states they’re doing this in.

    This is the same company Bush gave 1 million to during the last election, and the same company tied to voter fraud in Ohio.

    And you neo-cons want to talk about ACORN, you know, the organization Obama represented, along with the United States Department of Justice, on the motor voter law no being followed in Illinois. So I guess the United States Department of Justice is in hot water with all you neo-cons for having ties to ACORN.

    Me? I’m laughing my a** off reading the neo-con fright machines rantings.

  327. JMWalker
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Biased1, as I said nothing smelly there, IF you’re a republican. The fact the state wouldn’t follow it’s own laws concerning voter registration, in order to allow incorrectly filled out registration cards smacks of fraud. But I don’t figure you to one to agree, since you are a republican, and therefore well, biased.

  328. cosmos_originally
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    ANTI posted October 10, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    You seriously need to get out more!
    —–

    I have gotten “out”. That’s when I saw the confederate flags in rural Texas, etc…

    Look at the election returns in the rural TX counties.

  329. parkay
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Rex Peterson, 25, a sniveling, obscene, drunken, pro-abortion coward of Nebraska with a criminal record, faces new charges of terroristic threats after attacking pro-lifers with his vehicle, as they were lining the sidewalks of Nebraska City, NE on Life Chain Sunday, October 5. He jumped the curb with his vehicle and drove almost half a block, nearly hitting 9 people, including 3 nuns.
    Life Chain participants are instructed not to interact with vehicle drivers or passengers, even when they are shouting obscenities, as in this incident. 15,000 life chains have been held without any participants being cited by police. Prudence may now dictate that pro-lifers carry unconcealed weapons for self defense, when pro-lifers present such a convenient target. The state of Nebraska has a bad record of letting abortion advocates off easy after they assault and rob pro-lifers.
    - – -

    A new Knights of Columbus radio spot featuring the heartbeat of a 10-week-old unborn child and urging listeners to vote pro-life has begun airing on radio stations around the U.S.
    [Actually, the heart begins beating about 18 days after conception.]
    - – -

    “One of the things you’re going to see is a coalition that has just about completely taken over the Republican Party in this state, and if they have their way they’re going to take over state government. It’s made up of the Christian Coalition. It’s made up of the right to lifers. It’s made up of a coalition of people that have all sorts of different views that I think most of us in this room would find threatening to what it means to be an American.”
    . . . leftist, baby-hating Mark Warner, former Virginia governor, candidate for U.S. Senate, and Obamanation supporter, terrified of those of us who cling to guns, religion, and the dignity of human life
    - – -

    A two-week-old baby was found abandoned briefly in a car seat behind a Homewood, PA restaurant Wednesday by a passing motorist, who summoned police. The infant was taken unharmed to Children’s Hospital. Police interviewed the parents, and jailed the mother, LaFawn Ebo, 24, on a child endangerment charge. She claimed to be avoiding a confrontation with the baby’s father.
    - – -

    Firefighters at Arlington, TX Fire Station No. 11 found a newborn girl in a laundry basket abandoned outside their front door Thursday. The infant was examined in good health and is in state custody. No investigation or prosecution of parents is likely – but someone could have knocked. The Baby Moses Law legalizing safe infant abandonment is not one that should be abused.

  330. ANTI
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos, Sol made a ‘joke’. You completely missed it…never mind.

  331. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    JMStalker- But I don’t figure you to one to agree, since you are a republican, and therefore well, biased.
    —————————————
    as biased as a liberal is blind.

    Ask the north dakaota senators and state representative if THEY have a problem….

    Maybe they can get a recount….

    Ooops! they’re DEMOCRATS!

  332. cosmos_originally
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    ANTI,

    I knew that it was a joke. I was pointing out that it could almost be a true story rural TX — and that’s not funny.

  333. Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    “biased1″ –

    Will you invite me to your church this Sunday? (I’m beginning to think “Nathaniel” never will; he cares nothing about my soul.)

    I’m ready to worship your new Baby Shark Jesus. I’m ready to answer the Altar Aquarium Call.

  334. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
    “biased1? –

    Will you invite me to your church this Sunday? (I’m beginning to think “Nathaniel” never will; he cares nothing about my soul.)

    I’m ready to worship your new Baby Shark Jesus. I’m ready to answer the Altar Aquarium Call.
    —————————————–
    Let me know if you want a link to any of these articles…..

    2004
    Surprisingly rapid growth in Neanderthals
    Identical non-coding regions in diverse vertebrate groups
    2003
    Stick insects evolved and lost wings at least four times
    Vital function found for mammalian pseudogene
    Ancient human DNA shows humans did not evolve from Neandertals
    Mammalian Conserved Non-Genic Sequences (CNGs)
    2002
    Review of inbreeding discredits “species sorting” of punctuated equilibrium
    Oceanic hydrothermal vents out as origin of life site
    Really quickly evolving dinos
    Rapid “evolution” of human brain
    Of mice and men – little genetic difference!
    Of chimps and men – more genetic difference!
    2001
    Little Sequence Variation Among Ancient Anatomically Modern Humans
    Modern humans hands down winners over Neanderthals
    Another blow to multiregional evolutionary theory
    Fully formed crustacean found from the early Cambrian
    2000
    Discrepancy of genetic and fossil appearance dates of vertebrates
    Neanderthal baby attacks evolutionary dogma
    Little diversity among Neanderthals
    1999
    The Adequacy of the Fossil Record
    Molecular clock says eutherian mammals diverged 130 million years ago – fossils indicate 65 million years ago
    Endosymbiosis model of mitochondrial origins questioned
    Deleterious mutation rate too high for humans
    Natural selection’s most famous example, the peppered moth, based upon bad science
    Prebiotic Soups – “useful for paving roads”
    Chickens trade reduced immunocompetence for beauty?
    Multiplying improbabilities – fish fins evolved multiple times?
    One dinosaur species found on multiple continents separated by hundreds of miles of ocean!
    Is It Time to Uproot the Tree of Life?
    Origin of Large, Beneficial Mutations
    “Genetic Purging” (inbreeding) is not good for breeding out deleterious genes
    Adaptive changes not traced to their molecular roots in genes and proteins
    Botanical tree of life to be pruned?
    Little or no evolution in ecological niches at the species level
    X chromosome sequence variability 4 times greater in chimps than humans
    Chirality still a problem for origin of life
    1998
    Interdependent genes demonstrate limits to evolution
    Extreme fine tuning and design in enzymes
    Lack of eukaryotic cytoskeleton proteins or precursors in bacteria
    Rapid repopulating of life forms following Permium extinction event
    Large human brains pose energy problem for evolutionists
    No transitional brain sizes between Homo and Australopithecines
    Transition between dinosaur and birds appears 20 million years after first bird
    Sudden appearance of mammals
    Whales lose ancestors?
    No link between ecology and evolution?
    The “very long leap”
    Ancient animals regain their youth
    Recent human origins from Y chromosome study
    Species sorting = species extinction

    probably not really interested though…..

  335. Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Carter had higher approval rating than bush has. WPE

  336. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink
    Carter had higher approval rating than bush has
    ——————————————-
    Palin had a higher rating than the One AND Biden COMBINED!

  337. Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Freebird, I know what you mean. Before I would consider helping anyone else, I’d ask three questions.

    My first question to the parent’s will be, “is there a difference between the two major party’s”? and then I’d ask, “who did 9-11?”, finally I’d ask, “whom or what caused this to happen you and yours?”.

    I am always willing to help those that help themselves.

    I’ve a couple of friends now that don’t have jobs nor will they at any time in the near future. They choose not to help themselves by not wanting to stop smoking pot long enough to pass a stupid whiz quiz. I feel bad for them but I’ll drop those friends like a bad habit when that time comes. Easy.

    Lots of my friends aren’t laughing at me all that much anymore. Though it was cute while it lasted.

  338. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:56 am | Permalink
    I was sent this and thought it was worth passing on.

    How racism works:

    What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
    What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

    What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
    What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

    What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said ‘I do’ to?
    What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer
    measured up to his standards?

    What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain
    killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
    What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

    If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election
    numbers would be as close as they are?

    This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive
    qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when
    there is a color difference.

    You are The Boss… which team would you hire?

    With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened
    dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures,
    etc. consider…

    Educational Background:

    Obama:
    Columbia University – B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
    International Relations.
    Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

    Biden:
    University of Delaware – B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
    Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)

    vs.

    McCain:
    United States Naval Academy – Class rank: 894 of 899

    Palin:
    Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester
    North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study
    University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism
    Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester
    University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in Journalism

    Now, which team are you going to hire?
    ———————————————-
    If you were going to live, and raise your family on a continent, would you choose Africa or North America? Would you choose Kenya or Arizona? Would you choose Chicago or Phoenix?

    I’ll side with Phoenix EVERY time.

    You want the Ones vision for America?
    Look at the south side of Chicago.
    I must be a racist.

  339. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    So easy for duh Libs to yell out racist.

    No thinking involved what-so-ever.

  340. Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Has Mrs Parks been deceased long enough to be on a stamp… I think not….

  341. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    I think Chas may be a little europhobic.

    may need some counseling.

  342. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Upset On Horizon? Franken Surging Ahead In Minnesota Senate Race
    By Eric Kleefeld – October 10, 2008, 9:48AM
    A funny thing seems to be happening in Minnesota: Al Franken, who trailed in the polls for a long time and whose candidacy was written off by many observers, now seems to be surging ahead of incumbent GOP Sen. Norm Coleman.

    Don’t look now, but he just might win.

  343. Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    It’s about time, mxyz

  344. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    xyz- Don’t look now, but he just might win.
    ———————————

    Hilarious!
    They get what they deserve if he gets elected!
    hahahahahahahaa!!!!!!!!!!

  345. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Yep the Republican party reduced to a bunch of gun nuts and Bible thumpers. The Grand Old Party is a thing of the past.

  346. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:46 pm | Permalink
    Sorry Biased1 — I have better things to do on a Friday night, besides read your laundry list of F**king RACIST BS!!!

    Chas
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 6:55 pm | Permalink
    It’s about time, mxyz

    =========================================================

    Or maybe you don’t have anything better to do then to spew forth your froth of filth.

    Find something better to do Chas.

    L E A V E !!!

  347. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink
    Yep the Republican party reduced to a bunch of gun nuts and Bible thumpers. The Grand Old Party is a thing of the past.

    ===========================================================

    If only that were true, the Republicans would then win by a landslide!

  348. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Does Chas not see how evil he is?

    Does he really think it’s ok with God to kill babies?

    Does he really think it’s ok with God to tell people they are helpless and can’t feed themselves without Government?

    Does he really think that everything we have comes from Government, and not from God?

    What kind of Christian Preacher would fail to see the light of truth?

    A Phony Pastor.

  349. MaxGrobnik
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    If you do not repent, if you continue on your evil path, your bag of silver cannot save you. That rope over the tree branch is not the answer for you. Do not follow the path of Judas, surely deep down you must know this.

    Turn to Jesus Christ Chas, pray that through the grace of God, you be given the faith to save yourself, for your own sake, and also to enable you to go forward and save others.

    Your vileness shall not go without retribution. You shall not be able to continue for long down your current path. Yet you reject the Word of God, and deny this to others.

    When you do this, you become the Evil One. When you turn others away from God, do you not see the Evil that you perpetuate to others on this blog?

    Chas, you need some humility, before you can accept the Holy Spirit into your Heart. Put away all your material things, your pornography, your evil Socialist ways, your approval of baby killing, and accept Jesus as your Savior.

    Your weeping and gnashing of teeth Chas, is uncomely to those who would be the leaders in the Church of God. Put away that filth, confess your sins, and there is still a chance that you might be saved.

    Your days are numbered, as are all of our days. So, you must make this decision quickly, before it is too late.

    May God have mercy on you Chas, and may God save your soul in time for yourself, and for the others who actually believe what you preach.

    In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

    Amen.

  350. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    “Does he really think it’s ok with God to tell people they are helpless and can’t feed themselves without Government?”

    “So whatever you do to the least of My brethren, so you do unto Me”…Jesus

  351. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    I’d suggest you clean up your own back yard, Max.
    It’s people like you that give Christianity a bad name.

  352. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    #
    mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Yep the Republican party reduced to a bunch of gun nuts and Bible thumpers. The Grand Old Party is a thing of the past.
    ———————————-
    Your forgot the 100 million people who got killed on their 401K plans and mutual funds.

    If McCain steps up and starts naming names, liked Dodd, Frank, specific names in Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and the others – McCain will win the election hands down.

    Have McCain explain that Obama will let the Bush tax cut expire, which means that 100 percent of people will be paying more taxes in contrast to the lie of weasel words by Obama that he will not increase the taxes on 90 percent of the people.

    Have McCain put out the word, how Democrats like Dodd and Frank and their democratic cronies on the finance committee supported and suckled on the teat of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    If this is explained, it will be the biggest turn around in history.

    Obama will get slaughtered.

  353. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Maybe McCain should talk about how he employs 177 lobbyists, many from wall street, and his campaign manager works for the same accounting firm that takes care of Fannie and Freddie…and that he also sucked from that teat.

    Face it Reg, you boy is losing because Americans see him for what he really is.

  354. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    McCain Campaign Video on ACORN and Obama

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ9eelAl5tw

  355. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    #
    Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Maybe McCain should talk about how he employs 177 lobbyists, many from wall street, and his campaign manager works for the same accounting firm that takes care of Fannie and Freddie…and that he also sucked from that teat.

    Face it Reg, you boy is losing because Americans see him for what he really is.
    ——————————-
    False, it’s because of the many gullible voters in the Democrapic party.

    They are so naive, they will believe Obama’s ‘Judas Goat’ words straight to the slaughter house.

  356. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Who’s gullible?
    Surely not all the Republicans who have bought into the spin and rethoric of the right wing pundits….LOL!

  357. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Face it, Reg…your party is LOSING!!!!!!!

  358. mxyzptlk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Your forgot the 100 million people who got killed on their 401K plans and mutual funds.
    Nope, they blame the Republicans/Bush/McCain’s 12 years of mismanagement.
    McCain just wants to talk about Ayers ’cause the economy is the fault of Bush/McCain.

  359. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    #
    Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Who’s gullible?
    Surely not all the Republicans who have bought into the spin and rethoric of the right wing pundits….LOL!
    =========================
    False, we deal in facts and facts don’t lie.

    The only spin and rhetoric is coming from the left.

  360. Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Greed has caused this financial mess.

    The party of greed is the Republican party. THAT is one among many reasons McCain and the Republicans will lose. America has had it with greed and the rich getting richer while everyone else suffers.

  361. Freebird1971
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink
    Freebird, I know what you mean. Before I would consider helping anyone else, I’d ask three questions.

    My first question to the parent’s will be, “is there a difference between the two major party’s”? and then I’d ask, “who did 9-11?”, finally I’d ask, “whom or what caused this to happen you and yours?”.

    I am always willing to help those that help themselves.

    I’ve a couple of friends now that don’t have jobs nor will they at any time in the near future. They choose not to help themselves by not wanting to stop smoking pot long enough to pass a stupid whiz quiz. I feel bad for them but I’ll drop those friends like a bad habit when that time comes. Easy.

    Lots of my friends aren’t laughing at me all that much anymore. Though it was cute while it lasted.

    Agreed. Anyone that is trying to help themselves deserve all the help I can give them. The ones I would refuse to help are like some on this blog who think they are owed something. The sooner realize that the country and the world owe them exactly squat they better off they will be.Or if they choose not to then they wont be around crying for handouts. It’s a win win situation

  362. Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    “False, we deal in facts and facts don’t lie.”

    Posted any selectively edited paragraphs latelyt there “Regular”?

    There is a certain irony in YOU claiming that cons post in facts and don’t lie.

  363. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    “False, we deal in facts and facts don’t lie.
    The only spin and rhetoric is coming from the left.”

    OMG, you can’t be serious, Reg. I’m really worried about you now. You really think right wing political pundits are objective and truthful?

  364. Freebird1971
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink
    Greed has caused this financial mess.

    The party of greed is the Republican party. THAT is one among many reasons McCain and the Republicans will lose. America has had it with greed and the rich getting richer while everyone else
    —————————————————-
    Can you honestly say that there are no greedy dems that played a role in this. If you you believe that you ARE delusional

  365. Freebird1971
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink
    “False, we deal in facts and facts don’t lie.
    The only spin and rhetoric is coming from the left.”

    OMG, you can’t be serious, Reg. I’m really worried about you now. You really think right wing political pundits are objective and truthful?
    ————————————————
    And the ones on the left are?

  366. Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    “I feel bad for them but I’ll drop those friends like a bad habit when that time comes.”

    VERY illustrative of why your Libertarian politics will never rise above anything more than a joke on the political landscape. There can be no party of “me, myself, and I”. Somehow I don’t think you likely have many friends.

  367. Freebird1971
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Blue Jay,
    I think the thing you have against Libertarians is that they believe in indvidual responsibilty and not relying on government to provide for you.

  368. cosmos_originally
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Mary_Caruso posted October 10, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    OMG, you can’t be serious, Reg. I’m really worried about you now. You really think right wing political pundits are objective and truthful?
    ————

    Of course “Kansas values” Regular thinks that.

    And to prove it, he can even post some false, fictional paragraphs, like he has done with acorn, and the levees.

  369. Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    “John McCain was booed by his own supporters during a rally on Friday after he described Barack Obama as a “decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States.”

  370. StevenEDavis
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    “OMG, you can’t be serious, Reg. I’m really worried about you now. You really think right wing political pundits are objective and truthful?”

    Mary,
    Look at links James posts – rightwing craziness is all that he reads, apparently. Given that assumption, I think his ability to express himself as well as he does is pretty impressive.

  371. Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Later, McCain was again pressed about Obama’s “other-ness” and again he refused to play ball. “I don’t trust Obama,” a woman said. “I have read about him. He’s an Arab.”

    “No, ma’am,” McCain said several times, shaking his head in disagreement. “He’s a decent, family man, [a] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign is all about.”

    At another point, McCain declared, “If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.” Supporters booed then also. “I don’t mean that has to reduce your ferocity,” McCain responded. “I just mean to say you have to be respectful.”

    McCain is back on his meds!!! YEAH!!!!!

  372. Jed
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Monk,
    “Your brand new baby shark Jesus has convinced me.

    And it explains all those fish placards on the cars of the twice-born.”

    ROFLMAO!!! Absolutely beautiful!

  373. StevenEDavis
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    My friends, let me remind you that John Kerry was ahead of GWB by 7 percentage points in in July, 2004. It is not time to rest.

  374. Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Palin determined by the Alaska investigation to be guilty of abuse of power in the fired Trooper incident.

  375. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    “And the ones on the left are?”

    I don’t belive the rhetoric of the left wing either. I think those like Michael Moore are a good example of the same BS…just the opposite side of the coin.
    I prefer to listen to the candidates to make up my mind as to who is best to lead our country. The debates made that very clear for me.

  376. JMWalker
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Here you go, Franklin. Who really is responsible for the financial meltdown:

    * The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.

    * Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.

    * Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.

    * Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.

    * The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.

    * Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.

    * Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

    * Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.

    * The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

    * An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.

    * Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

    * Greedy financial firms, and those who both created and sold credit debt swaps as a way to bypass government insurance laws.

  377. Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    The report, which was commissioned and released by a bipartisan state legislative panel made up of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats, said: “The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Troooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation].”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

  378. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS: ACORN PAID ME IN CASH AND CIGS…A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm

    4,000 ‘dead people’ found on voter rolls in Houston…1.9 million people are registered to vote in Harris County alone.
    But how many of the people listed on the voter roll are actually eligible to cast a ballot?
    Investigative reporter Amy Davis shows you how hundreds of voters could sway this year’s election — voters who are not even alive.
    http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/17671375/detail.html

    Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration…KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states…the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud

    All done by ACORN…All Democrats…All Crooks!

  379. Boxlock
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    That last link on ACORN breaking the law in Missouri:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud

  380. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    * The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

    False,

    Bush asked Congress every year since 2001 to pass legislation for tighter controls. It’s part of the official record – fact.

    * Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

    False.

    Greenspan was known for not making specific recommendations, he never said such a thing.

  381. Regular
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    #
    DavidB
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    The report, which was commissioned and released by a bipartisan state legislative panel made up of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats, said: “The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Troooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation].”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
    ===================================
    Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction

    What sort of weasel words are those?

    Sort of like some other spouse interfering with Government office?

    Travelgate anyone? Hillary?

  382. Jed
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Troyboy,
    “Rex Peterson, 25, a sniveling, obscene, drunken, pro-abortion coward of Nebraska with a criminal record, faces new charges of terroristic threats after attacking pro-lifers with his vehicle, as they were lining the sidewalks of Nebraska City, NE on Life Chain Sunday, October 5.”

    Hey, what about all three of your sniveling, obscene, drunken anti-choice cowards who offered to shoot me, tried to take swings at me and who called me anonymously at 2am with offers to burn my house down if I showed up to escort women past your barbarian nano-horde? Shoe on the other foot now?

  383. Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    This is not about Senator Hillary Clinton. This is about Governor Sarah Palin.

    Branchflower said Palin violated a statute of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

    Isn’t the law the law?

  384. Freebird1971
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Mary,
    Thanks for affirming my belief that you are a rational person,even though we don’t agree on things.I believe none of what I read and half of what I hear

  385. biased1
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    BeeJay- America has had it with greed and the rich getting richer while everyone else suffers.
    —————————————–
    How is the Ones check book lookin these days?

    With Fannie, Freddie, AIG and the money flowing in from the middle east……..

    While we all suffer………

  386. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Free…I’m always amazed that people actually believe everything they read on the internet and listen to on conservative talk radio…the fact that they vote really frightens me.

  387. Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    So McCain hasn’t taken money from Freddie and Fannie, Biased? His campaign manager is with the accounting firm that handles them both!
    You forget McCain is “that one” who voted time and time again against banking regulations.

  388. Freebird1971
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Mary_Caruso
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:00 pm | Permalink
    Free…I’m always amazed that people actually believe everything they read on the internet and listen to on conservative talk radio…the fact that they vote really frightens me.
    ——————————————-
    Could that be part of the reason we are in the mess we are in? Maybe some sort of IQ test is in order.

  389. Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m an unabashed Cat Person, but ya gotta love this –

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=147_1223108811

  390. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    “Isn’t the law the law?”

    According to the cons, not if you are scooter libby, dick cheney, or sarah palin.

  391. lindainks55
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    What a homecoming! Thanks, MonkeyHawk for sharing the video. I, too, love my cats, but I have a dog who loves me with abandon and I get that kind of unabashed expression of love from her. The cats try not to show how much they love me but I know it anyway!

  392. cosmos_originally
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    What happened to the WE Blog’s newest representive of Republican family values?

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1009/#comment-443652

  393. Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    “lindainks55″ –

    Whenever I’m gone for a few days or weeks, my kitty greets my return by bawling me out for being away…then runs up and cuddles and purrs, then thinks about and bawls me out some more, then more cuddle, then more bawling out….

    I love the video, but I also suspect that’s how the dogs greet the guy every time he returns from checking the mail box.

    ;^)

  394. Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Police: iPhone Left in Hot Car for Three Hours

    WINNETKA, IL—This normally peaceful suburban town is still reeling following the news Monday that a local resident, whose name is being withheld by police pending a full investigation, left an iPhone unattended for more than three hours in a car parked in the hot sun.

    “Responding to calls from concerned passersby, who observed the iPhone sitting in a vehicle in the parking lot of the Westfield Shopping Center, police arrived on the scene at approximately 4 p.m. and immediately intervened to save the device,” said Winnetka police chief Douglas Blaine.

    “Security cameras have shown that the iPhone had been in the car—with the doors locked and the windows rolled up—since 1 p.m. Due to the tragic and highly emotional nature of this case, we cannot say any more at this time.” -The Onion

  395. annie_moose
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Critic Of ACORN
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Employment_Policies_Institute
    The Employment Policies Institute (EPI) is one of several front groups created by Berman & Co., a Washington, DC public affairs firm owned by Rick Berman, who lobbies for the restaurant, hotel, alcoholic beverage and tobacco industries. While most commonly referred to as EPI, it is registered as a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization under the name of Employment Policies Institute Foundation. In its annual Internal Revenue Service return, EPI states that it “shares office space with Berman & Company on a cost pass through basis”. [1]

    EPI has has been widely quoted in news stories regarding minimum wage issues, and although a few of those stories have correctly described it as a “think tank financed by business,” most stories fail to provide any identification that would enable readers to identify the vested interests behind its pronouncements. Instead, it is usually described exactly the way it describes itself, as a “non-profit research organization dedicated to studying public policy issues surrounding employment growth” that “focuses on issues that affect entry-level employment.” In reality, EPI’s mission is to keep the minimum wage low so Berman’s clients can continue to pay their workers as little as possible.

    EPI also owns the internet domain names to MinimumWage.com and LivingWage.com, a website that attempts to portray the idea of a living wage for workers as some kind of insidious conspiracy. “Living wage activists want nothing less than a national livingwage,” it warns (as though there is something wrong with paying employees enough that they can afford to eat and pay rent).

    In 2005 EPI provided, according to its IRS return, $307,995 by way of grants to the FirstJobs Institute, which it describes as an “economic literacy program”. [2]

  396. Political_mama
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    That was a really sweet video with the dogs.

    My cat will talk to me. Meow meow meow.
    Telling me all about it. My cat is quite the ham.

    Now my dog- my dog is always so happy to see people, me too. Even if I ran to the store. I can’t imagine how she’d react if we were gone longer than a day.

    We finally had to train her to sit and be calm if she wanted to get her pack leader’s greetings. So we walk in the door now, she goes nuts running back and forth then she’ll come practically sit on your feet and wait…until you pet her then she’s off running around again….to your feet for more love.

    Its so hard to keep from wagging your tail when you’re SO happy and sitting on the floor. And that thing is deadly when it goes.

  397. Posted October 11, 2008 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3be_1222409488

    This shows what happens when the kool aide drinkers get too much!! And no, it aint funny either!! Pretty damned SAD!!

  398. Posted October 11, 2008 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted October 10, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink
    What happened to the WE Blog’s newest representive of Republican family values?

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1009/#comment-443652
    ==========================================

    I think maybe it had to change back to its original name Cosmos — LOL

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