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Looks like the Wichita EAGLE is doing its hachet job on Karl Peterjohn, candidate for Sedgwick County Commissioner. Karl is widely recognized as being the most informed on the tax rates in Sedgwick County and Kansas. He is truly a resource person on taxes. Karl Peterjohn should be elected to the Sedgwick County Commission in November to turn around the gigantic waste of taxes on such things as the downtown arena with no parking.
The biggest no-show at last night’s debate?
Guns, gays, and God.
Significant that the audience of undecided voters don’t car about what WE Blog CONs get in hissy fits over.
I would have love to have seen “HLP” when John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) vowed to address Global Climate Change!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ&feature=related
After America realizes what a fix we’re actually in regarding our Great American Bankruptcy, be ready for a new “New Deal”. Only this time it won’t be building stadiums and bridges or whatever…we’ll all be hired as Stasi-type informants or Obama civil security. Welcome to “1984″, where the only jobs are state/party jobs. Funny.
I may be “The Fool on the Hill”, but at least I’ve got the high-ground. I’ll pick all ya’ll off when you finally have to come for my provisions.
If you haven’t been storing up (like I’ve been “suggesting” for a year and a half), too bad for you.
Emergency Rate cut– 50 basis points– if this does not work, juice up the printing presses.
Bernanke says, “We CAN print our way to prosperity!”
The strongest tool for economic recovery is jobs.
In the 1930s, with an overabundance of physical laborers, the WPA made sense.
In the 21st Century, the skill-sets of people who’ve seen jobs shipped overseas is no longer shovels and concrete.
“Free” Trade has proven to be quite expensive.
All you so-called “original intent” CONs need to belly up and admit the original intent of the constitution was based on funding the federal government on tariffs and duties; the exact opposite of free trade.
So we get 12 tube socks from Chinese pre-teens chained to looms, or could pay an extra nickel per sock to have a reasonably good job filled in America by Americans who will go to McDonald’s and Walmart and feed an American family.
Everything in America’s best interest, economically, has been decimated by prevailing CONservative theories for the past 30 years.
I’ll trot out my Harry Truman quote again:
“How many times to you have to be hit in the head before you notice who’s hitting you?”
Well said Monkeyhawk
I can’t argue, Monkeyhawk, we’ve given away our productivity. I’d pay extra for craftsmanship, but we fat, stupid and lazy American’s want what we want NOW. And it is the fault of all of these Chinese-slave-labor-made-flag waver’s. And your fault and mine. Stop shopping at Wal-Mart, stop buying all of this cheap crap and make your own furniture. All you fems, take up weaving, knit some socks for your family, quit trying to set the world on fire with your “equality” and be part of the solution.
But MH, we have to send those jobs to China. After all, McCain, who has constantly voted for bills that help send jobs overseas, says America has the best workers. If we make the products they won’t be shoddy and will last longer then nobody will need to buy so much. And Bush says we need to go shopping to fight terrorism.
So clearly your pro-American policies support terrorism therefore you hate America you pro-American!
Someone complains that reporting on a decision by The Chamber is a “hatchet job’? I think it is called “reporting”.
Peterjohn was interviewed and quoted in the story, so both sides seem fairly well presented.
Who is really wielding the hatchet?
Rule Number ONE:
American wages have driven the work overseas.
Business exists to make a profit. When the cost of doing business becomes cheaper overseas, business will naturally flow overseas. It is more economical to make tube socks in China.
Rule Number TWO:
Not to worry, the depression of ‘08 will bring labor wages much lower in America. The pendulum will swing back to America and business will again prosper at home.
One caveat, if government attempts to regulate business and force wages, productivity, or markets (providing bailouts to GM/FORD etc…), then Rule Number TWO does not come in to play.
And we stay depressed.
AmWay,
Business obviously these days exist to make the exec’s a profit. Look around.
The worker’s of the businesses get their life saving’s and pension’s stripped away.
I love making money, but what we’re dealing with now is flat socialism for fat cats. And no one is making money like the executive’s are. They deserve the guillotine.
“I’ll pick all ya’ll off when you finally have to come for my provisions. If you haven’t been storing up (like I’ve been “suggesting” for a year and a half), too bad for you.”
And I posted something along those lines a month ago, and Capn America critized me for it.
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Pet food/chlorine bleach/hydrogen peroxide/rubbing alcohol/guns/soap anti bacterial soap/deet/ammo/jerky/canned goods/more guns/tons of toilet paper (for bartering again)/ammo/extra supplies to trade.
If you own land with well water, you are better off. Lot’s of opportunities. Go to Stark Brothers on line and order the biggest trees for your orchard you can grow. Build the chicken coop, rabbit coop, feed and animal husbandry medical supplies.
Oh. And don’t forget more guns.
“They deserve the guillotine.”
Mfewmpophaheoshujph
Gulp
Uh, sorry. That was me trying to talk with my mouth full of cake…
“Business obviously these days exist to make the exec’s a profit.”
You say that like you are surprised. Like what did you THINK business people and CEO’s since the beginning of time have been doing?
“The worker’s of the businesses get their life saving’s and pension’s stripped away.”
Like the CEO’s and those making over $250,000.00 have their money someplace SAFE? NOWHERE IS SAFE!!! And in your own liberal words (not you personally), but the RICH are now loosing LOT’S MORE MONEY than the poor folk. (Is this the inverse of paying more taxes?)
Heheheheheh. A sure sign your business community is UNDER taxed.
The chamber and your local businessses are OPPOSING the guy who wants to significantly reduce their taxes?
Say it isnt so…
I guess they must LIKE all the pork they are getting from the tax payers. And clearly, lower taxes are NOT what they are making their decisions on to stay in your community.
And I’ve been saying for years, that tax rates have little to no effect on business location decisions. Oh, they’ll take your money if you give it to them, but…
Pork is obviously superior in value to lower taxes.
Heheheh. Trickle down indeed.
I’m just HOWLING that your chamber will NOT support the lower taxes at all costs guy.
hee hee hee heeeeeeee
Wichita. You just cant make this stuff up….
KFG, you crack me up…
AmWay – who will those businesses sell too?
AmWay, I COMPLETELY agree with you on stocking up.
I’m saying that the exec’s don’t and never have cared for their employees. I’m not surprised at all about them looting the place, I am surprised that we’ve all allowed it. I’m surprised we’ve allowed them to take tens of millions in severance pay while they get bailed out by us.
I should be surprised at how stupid we American’s are.
“American wages have driven the work overseas.”
OMG
You wingnuts are spinning so fast you dont even know what direction you are facing.
So.. according to amway, if American workers would just get off their high horse and live like Chinese slave laborers, the economy would be fine?
Heh. Heheheh. HEHEHEHEH. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA>HEEEEE HEEEE HEEEEEEEEE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH.
Oh MAN. Wiping tears. That’s a good one.
I wonder if they teach that in economics classes these days?
Heheheheh.
“Bring back the good ol’ days when we lived like dirt poor Chinese peasants”.
HEHEH! HAHAHAHAHAH. Now THERE is a winning campaign strategy. Have you sent that talking point to mcsame yet? Bible Spice should LOVE it!!!!
Can she see China from her house too?
Like I said, you just cant make this stuff up….
I’m not a liberal. I don’t even know what that means (other than it doesn’t mean a thing anymore).
Cons/Libs, you are all the same to me. IF you put a title like that in front of you, you’ve an agenda. I like the Constitution myself, not just the lip service the two parties pay to it.
I’m thinkin’ amway must want Communism. Isnt that how the Chinese achieved that low wage goal? Make ‘em work for the state, and make ‘em work for virtually free?
Damn American workers for wanting more. Damn them for resisting Communism. Someone should tell them…
…RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!!!!!!!!!
Now go back to your rice bowl…
BIBLE SPICE!!!!!!!!!!!! I’ve never heard it…ahahahahahahahahahahah!
“that tax rates have little to no effect on business location decisions….”
Man you must really live in the sticks. Or you have no sense of a world beyond your little piece of earth.
Come to eastern Kansas for your closest example. The cities around KC are in constant competition to attract new businesses. Tax breaks, in particular TIF’s are in the news. In fact, the KC Mayor ran on a platform against providing more TIF’s.
Now, granted, Wichita is one of those “island” communities. It is the only semi-large city in the middle of agricultural country. This type of community has been studied and economic books written on it’s unique nature of a small market.
But outside your little humorous world, tax rates make a big impact on economic growth.
Heeeeee Pleefer. Everytime I hear Bible Spice it cracks me up too.
I heard it first from MonkeyHawk. Seems to fit her better than any other nic. I also like The Moose Dresser, but sometimes Bible Spice just fits better.
Farm Girl laugh all you want. Your laughing and jokes do provide a welcome respite from the world falling apart around us.
But the simple truth is business exists solely to make profits.
And you can make stuff up. And be funny.
Amway, I know there is a giant contest among cities to see who can give away more of YOUR money and MY money to business. Hell, Thomas Frank wrote about it in “What’s the Matter with Kansas” years ago. Nothing new there.
But…
Businesses look at the overall cost of doing business. Like I said, they are glad to accept your tribute in the form of tax dollar give aways, but you dont know that tax give aways are making there decisions for them. It’s the lowest cost of doing business, and that may or may not be influenced by taxes.
I spent over twenty years in the trenches in economic development. I’ve been there, and I know.
And you? Read any books on the subject?
Or is rush your only source of information.
And nmw, the fact that YOUR business community is trashing the “lower taxes” candidate is just PROOF of what I’m saying.
If what you are saying were true, they’d be kissing peterjohn’s ring. Instead? They are telling him to kiss their… uh.. well…..
It aint their ring!
nitwit
According to amway, the FIRST community to remove all taxes from businesses would be the economic winner. ALL the businesses would flock to that community.
Geez, we’ve sure been wasting a lot of time and money on economic development when the SIMPLE solution (give ALL the money to business) was right in front of us all the time….
No taxes.
That genius moment brought to you by grover norquist….
“It’s the lowest cost of doing business, and that may or may not be influenced by taxes.”
Well Farm Girl, it looks like you just agreed and confirmed my RULE NUMBER ONE above.
You really need to read what you post. You are all over the map. Contradictions galore.
Labor is a huge part of the cost of doing business.
And I don’t brag as to my experience or background on the blogs. You can make up enough stuff for all of us. But keep it coming, your economic prowess, or lack thereof, is showing.
“This type of community has been studied and economic books written on it’s unique nature of a small market.”
So… you think Wichita’s biggest competition for business are the little towns that surround it? Geez, I musta missed something. WHEN did Boeing announce it’s interest in moving to Park City? Pratt? El Dorado?
Can you say G-L-O-B-A-L M-A-R-K-E-T?
I notice you offer nothing more than republican platitudes to my economic analysis.
Thanks for playing. WE are amused, and we do encourage you to try again.
When you have something of substance to say, not just talking points.
Still no substance from amway? Color me shocked.
I’m not making a damn thing up. Nor am I all over the map.
YOU are the one who thinks if American workers were Chinese slave labor, the economy would be fine. YOU are the one who thinks no taxes would win the economic development sweepstakes.
Prove how those things would work. OR… you could just admit you dont have a freakin’ CLUE about economics and just Stand the Floor Up!
nitwit
What you know about economics could fit in a very small thimble.
I’ll go back and say this…
The cost in building a home hasn’t changed since the first caveman decided he wanted to fashion the sticks together to build one.
Inflation has been the factor in price “increases”. Our friends at the Fed are destroying us (by design) by printing us to prosperity. The dollar is worth zilch and we are paying for it. Get rid of the Fed and we may be able to change things. If not, you can “balance budgets” all day long and it all stays the same.
Read up on the troubles of the Weimar Republic, get to know it, we’re on our way there.
Lawmaker’s son indicted in Palin e-mail hacking
Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081008/ap_on_el_pr/palin_hacked
WASHINGTON – A federal grand jury has indicted the son of a Democratic Tennessee state lawmaker in connection with the hacking of the e-mail account of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. Kernell, an economics major at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, faces a maximum of five years in prison, a $250,000 fine and a three-year term of supervised release.
Good, I hope they make a example out of him him and really slap him down for awhile.
For those of you running low on mouse grease…
“American_Way
Posted October 8, 2008 at 8:34 am | Permalink
Rule Number ONE:
American wages have driven the work overseas.
Business exists to make a profit. When the cost of doing business becomes cheaper overseas, business will naturally flow overseas.”
Yeah amway, we get it. If those damn american workers would just work for Chinese slave wages, and…
If we just didnt make business pay ANY taxes…
We’d dominate the world economy.
That is what your posts say. I assume that is what you believe.
COMMUNISM RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nitwit
“That genius moment brought to you by grover norquist….”
My Kansas tax dollars helped pay for Grover Norquist to come address the Kansas State legislature this year. I want to protest that, because that was sort of like getting screwed two different ways at the same time. The indignity of all…
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!
Boxlicker’s response to amway’s dumbass posts?
“Lawmaker’s son indicted in Palin e-mail hacking”
Change the subject…
woof
“So… you think Wichita’s biggest competition for business are the little towns that surround it?”
Farm Girl you are so focused on disagreeing with me, you are not comprehending what I have posted.
I said Wichita was “unique” BECAUSE it is the only burg in the country.
There is little competition and government can demand more taxes – since they are the only game in town. That was my point.
Then I said look OUTSIDE your local area and gave eastern Kansas in the KC area as an example. (And maybe that’s because I know that area from my experience with LAD and now LCDC)
The communities fight each other for business.
So I disagreed when you said:
“And I’ve been saying for years, that tax rates have little to no effect on business location decisions.”
In short, only in your little world do these market conditions exist. Nationally, and on a much large scale in reality tax rates in communities DO make a big difference.
“dumbass posts”
My, we get nasty when we gets our butt kicked.
And MY post was waiting moderation? (Scratching my head)
“My Kansas tax dollars helped pay for Grover Norquist to come address the Kansas State legislature this year.:
Jesus WEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
‘Cause we all know, the number one goal of the repukes who run the Kansas legislature is to DROWN government in the bath tub.
They dont even KNOW how often they make Thomas Franks exactly, and precisely, correct.
And of course, they wouldnt admit it if they did know.
Ignorance must truly be bliss!
It looks like the Chamber of Commerce/ business wing of the Republican party are the ones doing the hatchet job on Mr Peterjohn, not surprising as libertarianism is scary to both Liberals and conservatives
“My, we get nasty when we gets our butt kicked.”
Only in your dreams, chump; or are you referring to yourself in the pronoun of the royal “we”?
Yeah dumbass, I GOT your point!
“I said Wichita was “unique” BECAUSE it is the only burg in the country.
There is little competition and government can demand more taxes – since they are the only game in town. That was my point.”
OF course Wichita has no competition. KC doesnt want your businesses, nor does Dallas, nor Seattle, nor Chicago…
No competition? Hell, those cities provide you plenty of competition for the aircraft industries. Like I said, for you with little comprehension, you are NOT without competition. These little towns you speak of are not. The WORLD is your competition. Otherwise? You would NOT need to offer tax incentives. You would have the “market” to yourself.
nitwit
And… if all you need is a little competition… from the likes of CHINA….
Then lower the wages of aircraft workers to the level of Chinese slave labor. Then abolish ALL the taxes paid by the aircraft industries.
That would, in your freakin’ world, make the local economy HUMMMMMMMM!
Right? And I’m so sure you will be glad to write an even bigger check to cover the taxes all those businesses would NOT be paying in the USA.
Right?
nitwit
KSfarmgrrl, cons say they want to drown government in a bathtub, unless you want to marry your partner, smoke a joint, play poker in your home, not to mention handouts to bussiness list goes on and on.
“There is little competition and government can demand more taxes – since they are the only game in town. That was my point.”
Could you possibly make a DUMBER point?
Since Wichita is the ONLY game in town (heheh) they can raise taxes with impunity?
Hee hee hee hee heeeeeeee……
I bet the Dallas Chamber of Commerce would LOVE To hear that. They have a person dedicated to attracting aviation business.
No competition there. Nope. Uh uh.
At least no competition that couldnt be beaten by eliminating ALL taxes for corporations in Wichita.
nitwit
Amway’s solution, get American wages down lower than third world wages, and the world will beat a path to your door.
Typical REpub. think.
“Boxlicker’s response to amway’s dumbass posts?
“Lawmaker’s son indicted in Palin e-mail hacking”
Change the subject…
woof”
It’s a ‘Open Thread’ queer. Not subject to your approval.
Hey Farming Lady!
(if raising chickens is really farming)
Nikki’s first dog show:
http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/orderpage.aspx?pi=07U800HF0W0012&po=12
AmWay you are right on about the taxes and establishing businesses in Kansas. We have a fleet of trucks and the price of fuel is a major reason we are doing more business in Missouri. You cross the state line and right away fuel drops by a dime. Look at the growth in the Springfield, Branson area. Businesses are flourishing.
When businesses taxes raise as they will under Obama many small businesses will close or relocate. They have to. They won’t have a choice. If you can’t make a profit you can’t stay in business.
I would have to see any economic plan KFG came up with. I can see why she is unemployed. A little refresher course in economics is in order.
As for labor. Cost are also lower in Missouri. But so is the cost of real estate, food, and other items.
A 3 bdrm, 3 bth, full brick on corner landscaped lot, brand new is selling for $207,000. That same house here is selling for over $300,000. Where would you choose to live?
When labor goes up so does everything else.
Amway’s second solution is to abolish all taxes on business. Nevermind who will pay for the police, the hospitals, schools, roads, etc.
Just destroy government, and none of those things will be needed. Abolish all taxes, destroy government, and to the victor go the spoils.
Thomas Frank is correct….
“(if raising chickens is really farming)”
Actually, it’s not farming. Technically, it would make my farm a CHICKEN RANCH!!!!!!
Where is Joann Worley when we need her for a good chicken joke?
It’s the crops I grow and take to market that make me a farmer.
Sorensen said Peterjohn’s opposition to government participation “raised huge red flags for businesspeople.”
Sorensen said one of the big problems aircraft companies encounter, when trying to lure people to work here, is the “quality of life” question.
“Ultimately, workers will not come to Wichita, and businesses will not come to Wichita, unless you provide a community that’s worth living in,” Sorensen said. “That’s where government plays a role, and we don’t think Karl understands that.”
Part of what prompted the chamber committee to endorse Peterjohn’s opponent, Sorensen said, was a blunt warning from Spirit Aerosystems chief executive Jeff Turner last week.
“If his views were to prevail in this community, companies like ours would be hard-pressed to invest anymore in this community,” Turner told The Eagle.
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/554220.html
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It’s reassuring that local businesses see what a menace Karl Peterjohn is to Wichita.
“It’s the crops I grow and take to market that make me a farmer.”
And the fact, as I understand, you got fired from your job.
Yes Farm Girl I can see you are on a roll. Twisting my words, and then posting the exact same thought I posted, is pretty sick.
Never said a word about the airline industry. You are doing a whole lot of “assuming” in your own words.
I posted a simple fact, and you want to take the fact and build a case I never supported nor said I believed in.
And yes, Union wages in many major industries, to include the auto and aircraft, are a major factor in the companies decline. Couple that with government interference in the market (e.g. establishing MPG CAFE Standards) which contributes to their further decline, as the company no longer competes. Most recently, we are bailing out the automakers to the tune of 7 billion dollars and 25 billion in loan guarantees.
And you want to say taxes have no impact.
“I can see why she is unemployed.”
Unemployed? heheheh. HAHAHAHAHHA. HEE HEE HEE HEEEEE….
I own a business. Like you grandma. Except I really work in it and my HUSBAND doesnt actually own it. Like you grandma.
I guess if you have no substance, any ol’ insult will do. Even if it is not true.
You hate JR being self employed too.
Why do cons like grmie hate business owners?
And grmie, WHY dont you relocate your business to Missouri?
How about “Fowl Rancher”?
Thomas Frank is correct….
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FRANK N’ BEAN’S!!!! (Something about Marry)
I am guessing the Tommy Frank circle jerk is about to begin……BlueJay started days ago, he may need some recovery time.
Hank she is a beauty.
“Since Wichita is the ONLY game in town (heheh) they can raise taxes with impunity?”
As I clearly said in my first post – only in your little world.
Stop being angry and read what I posted. Take that crock pickle outta your hind quarters.
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/554220.html
Surely the local corporate leaders cited in the above story know less about business than Am_way and germ. Who you gonna listen to, huh?
“And the fact, as I understand, you got fired from your job.”
HEE HEE HEE HEEEEE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Uh, technically, my position was eliminated because my board of directors REFUSED to fire me.
But please, insult me and do not address the issue. Amway talks about union wages as proof that tax increases are bad?
You guys are dumber than a barrel of hair.
Just like mcsame. When confronted with the sheer stupidity of his economic “theory” he says…
“Yeah, well….. YOU ARE A MUSLIM”
And that crap is exactly why I hope you all have the guts to show up here on November 5.
Losers.
Just a little late for the SEC to come up with the idea that those CDS’s need to be regulated. They should have moved in that direction the first time Greenspan bailed out the first firm yrs. ago!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081008/bs_nm/us_financial_sec_credit_1
Uh amway and boxlicker, posters here, we assume, can read.
So please, spin away about how working for Chinese wages, and having PEOPLE pay taxes while businesses go tax free, will bring back the American economy.
Ready… GO!
(crickets chirping)
“Amway’s second solution is to abolish all taxes on business..”
And now she goes being doing the twist, to flat out making up lies.
Never posted the words she attributes to me.
Must be that time of the month.
Anti, have you actually READ any of Frank’s books?
If not, then Stand the Floor Up.
If you have, please tell us how he is wrong.
Or do you agree with amway, grmie and the whole hee haw gang that all we need to do is lower wages to Chinese communist levels and abolish all business taxes?
Or do you agree with amway, grmie and the whole hee haw gang that all we need to do is lower wages to Chinese communist levels and abolish all business taxes?
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I read nothing like that, except from you KFG.
Oh, you dont want to abolish business taxes, even though, by your own posts, that would cause businesses to FLOCK here?
Ok, tell us, for you, what level of taxation for business is acceptable and would accomodate growth.
(hint, I bet amway doesnt even KNOW at what level business is taxed. Just that it’s too much)
nitwit
Why do cons like grmie hate business owners?
And grmie, WHY dont you relocate your business to Missouri?
Farmie why the vitriol this morning. Ever since you and BJ read a book as we have been reminded ad nauseum ever since, you are both obnoxious.
I don’t hate business owners. What a stupid statement even for you. I am married to one. Who said I didn’t work? That would be BJ who isn’t an expert on anything except why we shouldn’t give ‘criminals’ a second chance.
We do a lot of business in Missouri for the very reasons I have mentioned. You on the other hand show a very strong ignorance of the basics that make a business successful.
Labor costs, benefits cost, supply cost, fuel costs, all of these are the life blood of a small business. When the changes in a community make it unrealistic to do business there then you relocate or shut down. Smart business owners won’t stay in a place that makes them poor.
Read amway’s first rule. HOW can you not say he wants us to lower wages to Chinese level?
And… he says what communities need to do is lower taxes to bring in business. If that’s true, doesnt logic dictate that if business taxes were abolished, business would FLOCK to Wichita?
Logic, dude, logic. I know they dont teach it at con school, but please, at least try.
Ha! okobserver is an islamist I’ve always suspected as much, the signs have always been there. No doubt she is league with Norquest a known jhadist. She speaks of frequent trips to DC.
Heheheh. Grmie. JR is self employed. WHY do you say he is unemployed? I am self employed. WHY do you say I am unemployed?
Please answer that question. Or… just be full of crap like usual.
And… why dont you move your business to Missouri if Kansas is making you poor with their higher fuel taxes, higher taxes in general?
I am the one who brought up overall cost of doing business, and noted that taxes are just ONE part.
nitwit
Maybe all posters CANT read…
If that’s true, doesnt logic dictate that if business taxes were abolished, business would FLOCK to Wichita?
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Wichita makes up for the taxes by paying huge sums to help business expand and build. Not saying I like that, but that is what happens. The pay off in COW’s mind is that they will make the money back long haul in taxes.
StevenEDavis
Posted October 8, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/554220.html
Surely the local corporate leaders cited in the above story know less about business than Am_way and germ. Who you gonna listen to, huh?
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If you are smart you will listen to WIBA as your article says. They support Peterjohn for the same reasons I have posted.
What does he want to do? Make government responsible to their constituents. No new taxes unless the people say so. What is wrong with that?
The same business men pushing his opponent are the ones who pushed the downtown white elephant called an arena. How is that going?
Anti, did you miss these questions, or are you just ignoring what isnt conveeeeenient to you?
“Anti, have you actually READ any of Frank’s books?
If not, then Stand the Floor Up.
If you have, please tell us how he is wrong.”
Same for you grmie. You trash a book you havent even read.
Or if you have read it, please tell us how it is wrong?
nitwits
“The big question with Karl is whether he would be a deterrent to the progress of the County Commission,” said Pete Schrepferman, owner of Johnstone Supply.”
I guess the clash between the red and the blue is going to some business peoples heads.
Here we have a private businessman who believes “progress” means “taxes”. Of course, for a downtown business person, the “progress” downtown often times means having expensive mainstreet programs which rebuild streets to make them look pretty, building auditorims, stadiums, and public attractions to bring in business. “Progress” means taking money from the residential taxpayers and spending it downtown.
And it is ALWAYS good to have “progress” downtown – even if our suburban streets, curbs, and gutters are crumbling. Because “progress” downtown is “VITAL” to the economic “GROWTH” of the city.
Without “PROGRESS” there can be no “GROWTH”.
Seems like the businessmen want it both ways:
1. Provide them TIF’s and cut small business taxes
2. Tax the hell outta everyone else for “progress”
3. Less government regulation on businesses
Yep, they are evil business tycoons. They want your cake and eat it too.
“Wichita makes up for the taxes by paying huge sums to help business expand and build. Not saying I like that, but that is what happens. The pay off in COW’s mind is that they will make the money back long haul in taxes.”
So… then.. the taxes Wichita businesses pay are just show? They really dont pay any NET taxes? They get enough freebies to offset the little tax they do pay?
Thanks for clearing that up… No wonder the CHAMBER OF COMMERCE is fighting the guy who wants to cut taxes. He also wants to cut their handouts.
And we cant have THAT, now can we?
I just love how cons support fiscal conservatives like Peterjohn.
Until they dont….
Late last night, a poster dumped a big cut and paste to show the huge number of arrests of Acorn voter registrars.
I deleted the many paragraphs that were just about “accusations” leaving only the paragraphs containing indictments and arrests.. the number is 20.
Assuming” innocent until proven guilty”, since we are good Americans, the number of ‘convictions’ totals 9.
NINE.
I had previously estimated the number to be seven, I was wrong.
I will repeat what I said last night:
“They claim to have registered 1.68 million voters for the 2004, 2006 elections and registered more than 1.3 million voters in 16 states during 2008.
You’d think there we be more than a handful of arrests, if this were a major scam.”
So, based on the evidence presented by the accuser… phony phony phony.
The city needs growth.
To get more growth they have to have progress.
The more progress, the more growth.
The more growth, the more city services.
The more city services, the more progress.
Remember you can substitute the words:
PROGRESS=TAXES
Government should not be running business.
OMG, so now Amway flip.. flops?
heheheh. Now he thinks business taxes are a GOOD thing?
He doesnt want to write a bigger personal tax check so Boeing doesnt have to stand on a corner with their tin cup?
Heheheh.
Flip. Flop.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 8, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
Heheheh. Grmie. JR is self employed. WHY do you say he is unemployed? I am self employed. WHY do you say I am unemployed?
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I don’t believe I said BJ is unemployed. Exactly the opposite. To be unemployed you have to be looking for work and obviously BJ isn’t. He won’t work for the ‘MAN’ what ever that means.
Pride is great unless it deprives your family of the essentials needed for a good life. Then it is stubborn pride and ill advised.
I merely talked of his constant critizism of our business and his ignorance of the community corrections program. He is one lib that has a real problem with giving second chances.
As far as you all I know is that you have talked a lot about a job you were terminated from.
“Assuming” innocent until proven guilty”, since we are good Americans, the number of ‘convictions’ totals 9.”
heheheheh.
And on EVERY scooter libby thread, they said “convictions dont matter” and supported bush commuting his sentence.
I guess they would be ok with shrub communting the sentences of the ACORN folks?
Nawwwwww. Fair play isnt in their playbook…
Not to intrude on a Kansas political debate, but is that Peterjohn guy the one who never met a tax he didn’t hate, and once suggested (seriously) that Governor Bill Graves debate Mary Douglass Brown on the subject of evolution (the same Kansas school board member who asked Graves if he thought he was descended from a monkey)?
Just checking. Over and out!
KFG, I imagine you to have a voice like Katharine Hepburn.
Grmie doesnt even read her own posts? Color me surprised…
“I would have to see any economic plan KFG came up with. I can see why she is unemployed.”
“Who said I didn’t work? That would be BJ who isn’t an expert on anything except…”
Uh grmie? Most people consider “dont work” to be equal to “unemployed”.
So.. by your standards that you apply to JR and I…
your husband doesnt work either?
KFG I don’t make ‘I’ll read yours if you read mine’ games anymore. I did that with BJ once and I did but he didn’t.
When you read ‘Fleeced’ by Dick Morris, a very good book and I am not a Dick Morris fan, I will read your book.
If we are both enlightened then maybe the tenor of our conversations will change.
AmWay made a very good point. When the atmosphere for small business is more friendly tax wise then more business will locate here. More business means more jobs. More jobs mean more taxes from the workers and the businesses.
Yeah Rage, you’ve got it right.
The Wichita Chamber of Commerce is fighting the election of the lower taxes guy.
Just let that sink in for a minute….
And it brings me to my point, that we need NO further evidence the Wichita business community, as represented by the Wichita Chamber, is UNDER taxed!!!!
“ksfarmgrrl” –
I read a piece about Rachel Maddow’s hate mail and how so many of them attack her for being gay.
Her stock response:
“Really?
I’ll look into that.”
Too funny.
KFG, do you think as a ‘business owner/self-employed’ person you are not paying enough taxes?
Actually KFG when you think faster than you type then typos happen.
Clarification: I don’t know your employment situation. I know that BJ works for himself. I know that he does not carry health insurance on himself or his child. He told us this.
Having a business where you invest your own capital, employ other people, pay business and employee taxes, is a very different situation that BJ finds himself in.
No flip. But if a reader read all the things FARM GIRL said I posted, you might think that.
Your local downtown merchants have their own local corporate welfare program going on. It is not unique to your small burg. It is happening across America. Everyone wants our tax dollars.
At the same time, they resent government telling them what wages they need pay their employees. They also don’t like paying business taxes rates (and their personal residential taxes as well), taxes on new equipment, and government interference in their business.
When government steps in, they get in the middle of trying to manage all sides of business and the residential property owners.
It is understandable that business people play both sides of the fence. Again, it’s all about profits.
nitwit
“When you read ‘Fleeced’ by Dick Morris, a very good book and I am not a Dick Morris fan, I will read your book.”
First, I dont give a rat’s ass if you read Thomas Frank or not. But.. YOU are talking about him and his writing, without having ever read him.
Have I mentioned Fleeced? No. Have I talked about Dick Morris? No. Why? Because… wait for it…
I havent read him or it.
But you have no hesitation to whiiine about someone and something you have never read.
Hypicrisy, thy name is grmie.
But nice try at changing the subject. You’ve had your ass kicked today, and we do encourage you to try again.
And as for taxes paid by businesses, if we lower taxes they will pay more taxes in the end? Hehheh.
Sniff. Sniff. Smells like supply side crap to me…
How has bushco’s eight years of supply side, lower taxes, hand out more money to businesses ideology working for the USA?
401k’s have lost 20% or two trillion dollars in the last 15 months, 80% of Americans are very concerned with their economic future, this bodes poorly for Mcbush.
A problem I see coming up will be underfunded company pension plans, in the past stock market earnings has made their funding much easier. Losses will have just the opposite effect. the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corp. will get saddled with alot of bad pension funds, if things don’t change.
I just turned on the TV and found Joe Biden in the middle of a speech in Florida.
The guy’s solid.
McCoot’s trying to take the low road to the highest office in the land.
Biden doesn’t give spin-winders. But he’s so much more presidential than than the Republic Party ticket.
“What about the next four years would John McCain change from the last eight years?”
So grmie, thanks for admiting you are posting out yer ass when you call me unemployed. No, you DONT know anything about my employment situation. Other than I post everyday about being self employed…Just like JR does.
“American_Way
Posted October 8, 2008 at 10:35 am
That’s so full of stupid contradictions I’m not even going to bother to untangle it.
“KFG, do you think as a ‘business owner/self-employed’ person you are not paying enough taxes?”
I’m unemployed according to the cons, remember?
And Anti? I’ll answer a question from you if you answer mine first.
nice dodge though. Style points and all….
Yeah Monkey. I noticed boxlicker called me queer. Ya know, when ya aint got nuttin’, ya gotta resort to “unemployed, fired, queer” etc.
They aint got nothing.
Con literacy
Farmie you are really on a tear. You have quoted and pushed this book for weeks. Why? because you think everyone should read it. I suggest you read something once and you go ballistic.
Who got what handed to them? You are as laughable as BJ. A matched set.
Biden’ hammering mccain to an enthusiastic crowd, as we type.
I think dems. will take Florida.
And Anti? I’ll answer a question from you if you answer mine first.
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My apologies, I am doing numerous things at once. What was your question?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 8, 2008 at 10:16 am | Permalink
Anti, did you miss these questions, or are you just ignoring what isnt conveeeeenient to you?
“Anti, have you actually READ any of Frank’s books?
If not, then Stand the Floor Up.
If you have, please tell us how he is wrong.”
Same for you grmie. You trash a book you havent even read.
Or if you have read it, please tell us how it is wrong?
Grmie, I’m not ranting about a book I never read.
You are.
Case closed.
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) had ninety minutes last night to look Barack Obama in the eye and call him a terrorist sympathizer, or to refer to him as ‘Senator Hussein,’ or to question his patriotism, but McCoward didn’t have the guts.
Ah, yes. I have read bits and pieces, however I am looking forward to reading the book as a whole to view it in context. It seems to be the Lib bible around here and as I said I look forward to reading it in its entirety.
Now, will you kindly answer my question?
As usual like BJ you think you can declare yourself a winner and that is the end.
Nitwit.
I have read Fleeced. What in the world are you talking about? You need to take a break. Go feed your employees, chickens, I mean. Does BJ ever check to see if any of them have records?
Ok Anti. So.. you dont mind criticizing Frank, even though you havent read his books, just “bits and pieces”.
Probably the stuff we posted.
I did answer your question. Using the con definition, I’m unemployed. So why would I care about what taxes business owners pay?
Dont like that answer? Take it up with grmie.
I did answer your question. Using the con definition, I’m unemployed. So why would I care about what taxes business owners pay?
Dont like that answer? Take it up with grmie.
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Ah, the coward’s way out. Nice, hypocrite!
…and besides, Anti, do you know what rate S corps are taxed at? Sole proprietor ships? The only tax I pay that isnt personal is sales tax.
Have you ever heard me bitch here about paying too much in taxes?
In fact, I think I’ve quoted my Dad, also a self employed guy, who said…
“If you are paying taxes, you are making money, so quit bitchin’.”
I miss my Dad…
Coward?
Pot. Kettle. Black. Meetup.
Ok Anti. So.. you dont mind criticizing Frank, even though you havent read his books, just “bits and pieces”.
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Ok, SmartAss(KFG), using the Lib definition, I know all about Tommy Frank and his entire works.
Coward?
Pot. Kettle. Black. Meetup.
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BlueJay.
“Nitwit.
I have read Fleeced. What in the world are you talking about?”
Jesus WEPT grmie!
You ranted about Frank and his book. I asked if you had read them. Obviously not. That makes you ranting about something you never read.
Me? I never read Fleeced. I never wrote about it or even brought it up.
The differenced between you and I?
Priceleess!
Oh. And I can read… and comprehend.
You? Not so much.
Liberal Fascism.
“Liberal Fascism.”
YOU are whining about a book you admit you havent read, and your defense is to say that?
hehehhehheeheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Biden’s speech is stressing the key to getting us out of Bushonomics.
Jobs.
Jobs.
Jobs.
Not golden parachutes.
Jobs.
Not tax breaks for the richest Americans.
Jobs.
After 30 years of supply-side economics which thought clipping coupons on Wall Street, we finally have a Democratic ticket that believes America works for a living.
Jobs.
McCON bragged last night about how he prevented hundreds of jobs in Wichita in favor of sending them to France. He knows Kansas CONs will vote for him just to keep people such as “ksfarmgrrl” from marrying the one she loves.
Priorities, people.
Please.
“Assuming” innocent until proven guilty”, since we are good Americans, the number of ‘convictions’ totals 9.”
That’s great DavidB. You did your homework.
Now since you are a member of the party which claims the moral high ground:
Is that an acceptable number? Keep in mind, each of those nine convictions (and literally dozens more which were settled out of court and others still pending), represents individuals. Each individual committed numerous, sometimes thousands of fraudulent ballots.
Cases like the one in Nevada are just NOW being revealed, and these people will not be prosecuted until AFTER the election. Nationally, they can continue to commit fraud, and not worry about it until the end justifies the means.
I seem to recall a presidential election hinging on the state of Florida. The tally in 49 states showed a near even split between the red and blue teams. Every vote counted.
Is ACORN, which has close ties to President Obama, justified and should be held blameless?
Voter fraud is acceptable, as long as it is the blue team committing it?
I laughed out loud this a.m. when I saw the Peterjohn story. Karl sure hasn’t made any friends in this town during all of his years while being the no-tax stalking horse for the Garvey family.
What goes around, comes around, doesn’t it, Karl?
If all goes well, this should just about smack his candidacy into the dirt.
Dennis
“this bodes poorly for Mcbush.”
Unfortunately, this bodes poorly for all Americans.
I think dems. will take Florida.
Florida has already gone blue in most electoral stats, so if we keep the status quo, there’s no question about Florida. Or Colorado. Or Iowa. Or Nevada. Or New Mexico. Or Ohio. Or Virginia. (The above were all red in 2004.)
And where did I see that Texas has gone pink?
http://electoral-vote.com/
Getting shaky in Dubya’s state? It hasn’t been this close since Clinton ran against Dole and Daddy Bush.
Where did I rant about Franks book. I ranted about you and BJ acting like the fact that you could read a book was an accomplishment. You would think it was the only book you both ever read.
I have no way to rant about the book itself because I haven’t read it and don’t plan to. It seems like a waste of time to me.
Rant on farmie, rant on!
Gotta go.
“and not worry about it until the end justifies the means.”
Should read,
“and not worry about it at all because the Justice Department Obama installs will not prosecute ACORN.”
I answered honestly your question KFG, why do you re-neg out of answering mine?
Anti, I’ve answered your question TWICE!
I know you are “doing other things” but damn, try to keep up, will ya?
Maybe just out of mouse grease?
With McCain threatening to end Medicare/Medicaid last night during the debate I think Florida goes for Obama. McCain not only touched “the third rail”, he grabbed it and ripped it out of the ground and then did his Beavis/Butthead laugh.
That had to be a big tactical mistake, on S.S. and medicare.
I wonder if golfnutboy is still bottom fishing for bargains in the stock market?
He must have a lot of cash lying around, or else is heavily leveraged for short selling, if he’s keeping up with the speed that the bush administration and their “bailout” are creating bargains.
Too many bargains to count, I bet!
Gold American Eagles…done, caput, over.
The Treasury can’t get the Au to make them.
Good luck folks.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 8, 2008 at 11:09 am | Permalink
Anti, I’ve answered your question TWICE!
I know you are “doing other things” but damn, try to keep up, will ya?
Maybe just out of mouse grease?
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B.S., you pu$$y footed around it. Yes or No, do you think you are not paying enough taxes?
“Uh, technically, my position was eliminated because my board of directors REFUSED to fire me.”
Ha, spin it however you have to so as to retain some self-respect. Everyone knows you have little else to draw on.
Fired, or “position was eliminated”, it’s all the same…..they didn’t see value and got rid of you.
McCON bragged last night about how he prevented hundreds of jobs in Wichita in favor of sending them to France. He knows Kansas CONs will vote for him just to keep people such as “ksfarmgrrl” from marrying the one she loves.
I think I understand why Obama didn’t jump down his throat on this one, the southern states carry more delegates than ks., mccain was pretty safe on that one.Sebelius or Tiahrt ought to come out with a statement that even though he ’saved’ 6 bil. (how can it be saved when no contract has been awarded?), the alternate proposal would have cost 20 bil. more in fuel cost. Not to mention tax base costs.
ACORN should go down regardless of who they are supporting! If this info is true, and I haven’t seen verification, then this is criminal.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10082008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_pro_barack_vote_fraud_drive_132618.htm?page=0
More buying opportunities, like we haven’t had enough of those. Historically, we should be reaching the bottom, but I’m not too sure market history applies.
“threatening to end Medicare/Medicaid last night ”
I didn’t hear that. I did hear McCain state that Social Security for the next generation cannot be the same as for the present. But I must have missed the MM comment.
You apparently missed the point of the question altogether though.
The point was and still is:
Tom Brokaw: “Would you give Congress a date certain to reform Social Security and Medicare within two years after you take office? Because in a bipartisan way, everyone agrees, that’s a big ticking time bomb that will eat us up maybe even more than the mortgage crisis.”
And although you are quick to critize McCain for his response – Barack Obama tapped danced around it and never did answer. He can’t because democrats are still in denial.
samkan
Posted October 8, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink
ACORN should go down regardless of who they are supporting! If this info is true, and I haven’t seen verification, then this is criminal.
What verification do you need? Above, there is a post from a democrat, DavidB, who confirmed there have been at least nine separate convictions in different states of ACORN members.
ACORN has settled out of court in many other cases.
And, these lates cases will not go to trial until well after the election is stolen.
You can do the web search to confirm ACORN is dirty.
You can also find references to ACORN receiving federal and state funding to assist in home purchases for poor people. You will find dozens of links to ACORN advising people to overstate their income and understate their bills to qualify for home loans. You will find references to ACORN pressuring bankers to approve subprime loans.
You will find references to ACORN registering dead people, illegal immigrants, and even using football players names dozens of times.
You will find references to the original draft 700 billion bailout which contained billions of dollars to ACORN (to serve as the housing rep) by congressmen who were THERE.
You will also find links tying the democratic candidate Barack Obama to the ACORN organization.
This from the party claiming the moral high ground, and a stolen election in Florida.
ACORN:
Nine convictions means thousands of fraudulent ballots being caste – in states where the outcome is predicted to be close.
The many pending cases from the last two months of activity mean many, many more fraudulent ballots will be counted.
The United States of ACORN. (USA)
President Obama is one of them.
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“American_Way” –
I’m sorry, but the “I didn’t hear that” excuse doesn’t work.
You CONs think ignorance is an excuse because ignorance is all you have.
Ignore the facts. Ignore reality. Ignore anything that doesn’t conform with your prejudice and mythology.
Too many threads in this forum devolve because some Liberal decides to research issues after a CON (”Nathaniel” is a serial naif) posts something like “I don’t know anything about people getting shot with guns,” or some such absurdity. The Liberals look up the philosophy of ballistics and firearms and the thread spins off to some gun nut declaring “98% of all bullets never hit human flesh.”
State authorities on Tuesday raided an organization that registers low-income people to vote, alleging that its canvassers falsified forms with bogus names, fake addresses or famous personalities.
The secretary of state’s office launched an investigation after noticing that names did not match addresses and that most members of the Dallas Cowboys appeared to be registering in Nevada to vote in November’s general election.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/30613864.html
“McCon”…”McShame”…”McLame” Does making fun of someone’s name make you libs feel clever? Yes..many of us used to do that…in 3rd grade. Seems like a very childish and desparate way to attempt to belittle someone.
“American_Way
Posted October 8, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink
ACORN:
Nine convictions means thousands of fraudulent ballots being caste – in states where the outcome is predicted to be close.
The many pending cases from the last two months of activity mean many, many more fraudulent ballots will be counted.”
Untrue comments here. There is nothing to support these assertions.
“Raptor
Posted October 8, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink
“McCon”…”McShame”…”McLame” Does making fun of someone’s name make you libs feel clever? Yes..many of us used to do that…in 3rd grade. Seems like a very childish and desparate way to attempt to belittle someone.”
The practice you refer to is decidedly not solely practiced by ‘libs’. There are many ‘Cons’ on this blog that utilize it as their standard M.O.
“Raptor” preaches –
““McCon”…”McShame”…”McLame” Does making fun of someone’s name make you libs feel clever? Yes..many of us used to do that…in 3rd grade. Seems like a very childish and desparate way to attempt to belittle someone.”
I dunno “Raptor.”
Take it up with “Regular” who likes to call me “MonkeyHock,” and revels in spelling it “CraponAmerica,” or whomever it was who addressed right-wingnut snarks to “kscarpetmunchingfarmgrrl.”
I agree with your assessment that such tactics are 3rd grade level. And I have steadfastly tried to address participants of this forum specifically by the nyms under which they post.
For public officials, I give myself some slack. I figure for every CONs’ use of stuff such as “Osama bin Obama,” I’ve got a right to counter with a McC*nt or two.
Got a problem with that?
“Monkeyhawk
Posted October 8, 2008 ”
Swwwisssssssssssssssssssssssssssh!
That’s the sound of air going over my head. Because I really didn’t get the point of your last post.
Was it the ACORN thing? Because prior to sending DavidB off on a factcheck – I had done my homework and knew (know?) the facts on ACORN.
Nine convictions, half dozen more settled out of court, and half a dozen MORE pending SO FAR.
How much fraud is too much? The elections nationwide (locally as well as nationally) are very close. The blues and reds are almost a 51/49 split (admittedly some reds are bleeding blue thanks to Bush).
Thousands of fraudulent ballots nationwide. And you want to wait for MORE convictions before you decide or act? Too late – the election will have been stolen.
Be honest with me for a minute MonkeyHawk: Had this been a republican organization (oxymoron admittedly there is no republican organization), would libs be taking it quietly?
Would you shut up? Or would you be screaming bloody murder? Wouldn’t you or your party be calling for charges against the ACORN top leadership (like CEO’s)? Wouldn’t you want them banned from the voter registration program?
Or maybe, I missed your point completely. Turning around now, to see if I can see anything in that air passing overhead.
>The practice you refer to is decidedly not solely practiced by ‘libs’. There are many ‘Cons’ on this blog that utilize it as their standard M.O.<
Doesn’t make it right. Just choose not to do it yourselves and maybe the next guy or girl will stop it also. If not, well, you will feel like the adult in the conversation. :)
“Untrue comments here. There is nothing to support these assertions.”
Brian: Are you deliberatly being disagreeable? Can you take the time to look these up yourself?
Below is one link. Take it and go to each individual state and you will find local links for each accusation.
New York Times
Posted: 4:34 am
October 8, 2008
Quantity over quality. That’s the ACORN way – and the fraud allegations keep piling up:
* Yesterday, Nevada officials raided ACORN’s Las Vegas office after election authorities accused the group of submitting multiple voter registrations with fake and duplicate names. Among the bogus monikers: names of former Dallas Cowboys players.
* Lake County, Ind., election officials this month rejected thousands of registration forms ACORN had turned in from its drives this summer. On a conference call yesterday, GOP officials noted that up to 11,000 of the applications were no good – tying up election officials and jeopardizing the voting rights of untold victims whose identities may have been stolen.
In what seems to be ACORN’s standard operating procedure, vote canvassers had pulled names and addresses from phone books and forged signatures. According to a local paper (the Northwest Indiana and Illionois Times), “Large numbers of voter registration forms bore signatures all in the same apparent handwriting style” and “apparently the organization’s canvassers broke rules to meet ACORN-set voter registration quotas to get paid.” The fake registrants include dead people and underage kids.
* Milwaukee, Wisc., officials last month discovered at least seven felons employed as voter-registration workers for ACORN and another affiliated group. (State law bans felons from such work.) They also uncovered a raft of problematic voter-registration cards. The state GOP accuses the group of trying to get dead, imprisoned or imaginary people on the voter rolls. Fraud has plagued ACORN’s Milwaukee chapter since the last election cycle.
* In Florida, in Orange County alone, ACORN workers turned in multiple, copycat forms for six separate voters over the summer. The Miami Herald reports: “One individual had 21 duplicate applications.”
Election officials had flagged ACORN’s negligent practices months ago. But it may be too late: In Orange, Broward and Miami-Dade counties, ACORN has signed up 135,000 new voters, nearly 60 percent of them registered as Democrats – a fifth of all new voters in that region.
* In Ohio, large numbers of homeless people got free van and bus rides to register. Shelby Holliday, a reporter for Palestra.net, filmed ACORN shuttling in some prospects. She told me she spoke with one homeless woman who said ACORN “told her who to vote for if she wanted a ‘better life,’ and told her not to worry about jury duty (one of the reasons this homeless woman didn’t want to register) because the government probably wouldn’t be able to track her down. She was registering with a temporary address.”
Holliday interviewed another homeless man targeted by the registration drive who exulted that he was voting for Obama because “I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle.”
“Thug thizzle” is street slang for performing your trademark move. Obama and ACORN have practiced their thug thizzle together for years: Organizing an ever-expanding community of ineligible and marginal voters to expand the Democrat power base. Rules be damned.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10082008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_pro_barack_vote_fraud_drive_132618.htm?page=0
Are you just turning the other way?
Granted, they are a bit “confident” in their paper (read logo).
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/64394/Gold-rush-as-bullion-has-a-glitzy-future
There’s an item in the Wichitopekington blog that bears our attention.
Scott Moore is a finalist for the Corpus Christi job… and the rubber stamp elitist city manager selection committee meets this afternoon to review the resumes of 22 others.
The more I interact with Mr. Moore, the more I like him.
If we let this guy go without a fight, I’d say it’s time to start rolling out the recall petitions.
Who goes first?
Man, the future looks awesome! All sci-fi and stuff…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,434504,00.html
Pterodrone
What a kick-butt band name!
Maybe “Terrordrone”?
Probably more like a movie title?
THE PRO-BARACK VOTE-FRAUD DRIVE
SYSTEMIC corruption of our election process continues. Barack Obama and his old friends at ACORN and Project Vote are leading the way. This radical revolution is taking place in your backyard. And as I’ve reported before, this voter-fraud racket is on your dime.
On Monday, the two groups announced the wrap-up of a 21-state voter-registration drive targeting low-income people and minorities in such battleground states as Ohio, Pennyslvania, Colorado, Florida, New Mexico and Wisconsin.
What’s wrong with that? For starters, these two groups are militantly partisan outfits purporting to engage in nonpartisan activity. And their campaign comes amid an avalanche of fresh voter-fraud allegations involving ACORN in many of those same states.
ACORN has helped register over 1.27 million people nationwide. It gets 40 percent of its revenues from the taxpayers, with the rest coming from left-wing heavyweights like billionaire George Soros and the Democracy Alliance.
Lefty lawyer Sandy Newman founded Project Vote, a 501(c)(3) organization, to register voters in welfare offices and unemployment lines with the explicit goal of turning back the Reagan revolution.
The two groups are inextricably linked – and at their nexus is Barack Obama. Despite his denials of any association with the group, Obama’s political DNA is encoded with the ACORN agenda.
As I’ve noted previously (”ACORN: O’s Ugly Ally,” June 26), Obama trained ACORN members in Chicago. In turn, ACORN volunteers worked on his Illinois campaigns and ACORN’s PAC endorsed him in this year’s Democratic primaries back in February.
And Newman hired Obama in 1992 to lead Project Vote efforts in Illinois. The effort’s motto: “It’s a Power Thing.” Today, the Obama campaign’s “Vote for Change” registration drive is running in parallel with ACORN/Project Vote, targetting the same sorts of people.
It’s an all-out scramble to scrape up every last unregistered voter sympathetic to Obama’s big-government vision. “Our volume,” Obama campaign manager David Plouffe bragged of the voter-registration program, “is going to be enormous.”
Quantity over quality. That’s the ACORN way – and the fraud allegations keep piling up:
* Yesterday, Nevada officials raided ACORN’s Las Vegas office after election authorities accused the group of submitting multiple voter registrations with fake and duplicate names. Among the bogus monikers: names of former Dallas Cowboys players.
* Lake County, Ind., election officials this month rejected thousands of registration forms ACORN had turned in from its drives this summer. On a conference call yesterday, GOP officials noted that up to 11,000 of the applications were no good – tying up election officials and jeopardizing the voting rights of untold victims whose identities may have been stolen.
In what seems to be ACORN’s standard operating procedure, vote canvassers had pulled names and addresses from phone books and forged signatures. According to a local paper (the Northwest Indiana and Illionois Times), “Large numbers of voter registration forms bore signatures all in the same apparent handwriting style” and “apparently the organization’s canvassers broke rules to meet ACORN-set voter registration quotas to get paid.” The fake registrants include dead people and underage kids.
* Milwaukee, Wisc., officials last month discovered at least seven felons employed as voter-registration workers for ACORN and another affiliated group. (State law bans felons from such work.) They also uncovered a raft of problematic voter-registration cards. The state GOP accuses the group of trying to get dead, imprisoned or imaginary people on the voter rolls. Fraud has plagued ACORN’s Milwaukee chapter since the last election cycle.
* In Florida, in Orange County alone, ACORN workers turned in multiple, copycat forms for six separate voters over the summer. The Miami Herald reports: “One individual had 21 duplicate applications.”
Election officials had flagged ACORN’s negligent practices months ago. But it may be too late: In Orange, Broward and Miami-Dade counties, ACORN has signed up 135,000 new voters, nearly 60 percent of them registered as Democrats – a fifth of all new voters in that region.
* In Ohio, large numbers of homeless people got free van and bus rides to register. Shelby Holliday, a reporter for Palestra.net, filmed ACORN shuttling in some prospects. She told me she spoke with one homeless woman who said ACORN “told her who to vote for if she wanted a ‘better life,’ and told her not to worry about jury duty (one of the reasons this homeless woman didn’t want to register) because the government probably wouldn’t be able to track her down. She was registering with a temporary address.”
Holliday interviewed another homeless man targeted by the registration drive who exulted that he was voting for Obama because “I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle.”
“Thug thizzle” is street slang for performing your trademark move. Obama and ACORN have practiced their thug thizzle together for years: Organizing an ever-expanding community of ineligible and marginal voters to expand the Democrat power base. Rules be damned.
Michelle Malkin blog
I think the coolest thing about the “Pterodrone” is the fact that they can be efficiently and cheaply made in China. So there will be literal flocks of them all over.
I wonder how much a hunting liscense will be.
license
“Thug Thizzle”…that’s a cheap version of “Brawndo” isn’t it?
Regular even when the truth hits them in the face, democrats cannot see it. I’ve posted before my dissatisfaction with the republicans and have declared my independence.
I will not blindly follow a party. There is no right makes might or the ends justifying the means for me.
I will admit when I think my chosen leaders are wrong.
What is really really scary to me is that many democrats don’t feel that way.
I have said my candidate is Ron Paul, but I have also stated I think democrats will win the white house and both chambers of congress.
Why on earth would libs want to tarnish that success by affiliating themselves and covering up ACORN?
Don’t they realize this won’t all just be swept under the carpet after their wins? Even if they do control the justice department, and the supreme court – do they think the media won’t be default HAVE to pick on them? Ratings mean money. (It’s like Tina Fey – she is so good she will end up working herself out of a job).
They claim the moral high ground, yet tolerate criminal actions by their party associates?
Darn it Pleefer are you trying to change the conversation?
“Today Nancy Pelosi became the first woman Speaker of the House. They say this is the furthest anyone in a dress has gotten in Washington since J. Edgar Hoover.” –Jay Leno
“Nancy Pelosi said today we’ve waited 200 years for this. 200 years? How many face lifts has this woman had?” –Jay Leno
“Nancy Pelosi, the likely Speaker of the House, had lunch at the White House Thursday with President Bush. Though, just to rub things in, she left early to have an abortion.” –Amy Poehler
“As a result of this week’s election, the new Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, is now the most powerful woman in the country. After hearing this, Oprah Winfrey said, ‘Yeah right.’” –Conan O’Brien
Man if Obama loses this election, Acorn ain’t gonna be good for nothing anymore.
I was watching Obama’s speech in Indiana on the economy, and simultaneously the stock market continued to improve! He needs to give more speeches. In contrast yesterday bush talked about the economy and the market crashed.
Bush needs to shut up period. Take a vacation. Go hunting with his VP, or maybe go to an airshow where McCain is flying.
Obama, needs to stop using the election to bad mouth the economy. He is making people believe “the sky is falling”. He isn’t helping. There are plenty of other targets out there. Let up on my investments and 401K guys.
Wow! Libs haven’t picked up on this one yet?
Sarah Palin is linked in her lineage to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. She also has a connection with Britain’s Princess Diana.
Roosevelt, the Depression-era Democratic president, is a distant cousin of Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, according to genealogists at Ancestry.com.
Roosevelt is Palin’s ninth cousin once removed. Their common ancestor is Rev. John Lothrop, who came to Massachusetts in 1634.
Palin also has ties to the late British princess, the Web site’s researchers found. The Alaska governor is a 10th cousin of the former royal.
Cons still trying to make something out this ACORN fairytale. Is this it? The mother of all scandals. Where’s the beef girls? The basis of this whole thing is a hit piece from the Wall Street Journal circa 2006.
Sorry cons this is what we think of your ACORN story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs
Sorry Annie: The basis of this whole thing is legal prosecution; pending and convictions. Nationwide over many years. Don’t need see your youtube.
AmWay, I just thought it was funny…heh.
“American_Way” –
ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — is by title and definition an umbrella appellation for “community” organizations.
In other words, local incarnations with local participants, programs, and practices.
If you want to continue with the guilt-by-association meme, I guess I should Google for Baptist preachers’ sex crimes and go on the attack of all Christians. Same dif.
I read this morning that all of the Moose-Dresser’s attacks on Obama regarding Ayers tanked in the polling. So the Republic Party has pulled that particular tactic off the table.
McCoot is treading water in flop sweat.
What’ll you guys try next?
“The National Association of Realtors Pending Home Sales Index, based on contracts signed in June, rose 7.4% in August to 93.4 from an upwardly revised index of 87.0 in July.
The August reading was 8.8% higher than a year earlier, and the highest level since 101.4 in June 2007.”
Make sure Bush gets the credit for this libs. Don’t want you giving credit to President Obama prematurely.
Of course, with the economy in shambles, Obama is guaranteed to be a hero. Can only go up and he has free reign to invent all sorts of social programs during the depression.
annie_moose
Posted October 8, 2008 at 12:51 pm | Permalink
Cons still trying to make something out this ACORN fairytale. Is this it? The mother of all scandals. Where’s the beef girls? The basis of this whole thing is a hit piece from the Wall Street Journal circa 2006.
Sorry cons this is what we think of your ACORN story
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Yeah, one month ago is the same as 2006.
Enjoy your blinders.
“The National Association of Realtors Pending Home Sales Index, based on contracts signed in June, rose 7.4% in August to 93.4 from an upwardly revised index of 87.0 in July.
I’m a pending billionaire. The checks in the mail. Of course I love you.
MonkeyHawk are you really going to try smoke and mirrors to hide behind? Please,
Who is ACORN?
ACORN is the nation’s largest grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people with over 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities across the country. Since 1970, ACORN has been building community organizations that are committed to social and economic justice, and won victories on thousands of issues of concern to our members, through direct action, negotiation, legislative advocacy and voter participation.
Community organizing: Each of the 1,200 local ACORN neighborhood chapters in 110 cities and 40 states brings neighbors together to work for stronger, safer and more just communities.
Issue campaigns: Each ACORN office carries out multiple issue campaigns. ACORN members across the country.
A recent study shows that our issue campaign victories have delivered approximately $15 billion in direct monetary benefits to our membership and constituency over the past 10 years.
Service delivery: ACORN and its allied organizations provide extensive services to our members and constituency. These include free tax preparation focusing on the Earned Income Tax Credit; screening for eligibility for federal and state benefit programs; and, through the ACORN Housing Corporation, first time homeowner mortgage counseling and foreclosure prevention assistance, and low income housing development.
Voter participation: Since 2004, ACORN has helped more than 1.7 million low- and moderate-income and minority citizens apply to register to vote.
ACORN is a non-profit, non-partisan social justice organization with national headquarters in New York, New Orleans and Washington, D.C. To maintain independence, ACORN does not accept government funding and is not tax exempt.
The ACORN slurs in a mirror –
- Today’s THV | Pine Bluff Pastor Faces Charges In Rape Of Stepdaughter
- MyFOX Austin | Former Round Rock Pastor Gets 5 Years for Stealing Money
- Record-Searchlight | Deputies arrest ex-pastor
- ReligionNewsBlog | Pastor Arrested With Miracle Machine
“‘When [he] touches his flock, they fall down [thinking] he is using super natural powers,’ Mr Asan Kasingye said. ‘The machine is placed on any part of the body and gives a pleasant electric shock to whoever touches you.’”
- ExChristian.net | Youth pastor arrested on sex charges
- Reuters | Texas pastor arrested for dragging girl at camp
See how it works, CONs, when the other side fights back using your tactics?
“I just thought it was funny”
It was needed. Some of us take ourselves too seriously.
Fight all you want using Christianity MonkeyHawk.
I haven’t been in a church in a decade.
Still, doesn’t take away from the horrendous violation of the American democracy by those trying to steal an election they may well win have without resorting to jeopardizing the integrity of the American way of life.
Want to help the country? Want to do your part in keeping the economy going? Great! BUy American
First, buy locally produced and marketed products when available
Second, buy American made products by American owned companies when available
Third, buy American made products by foreign owned companies if the above is not available
Fourth, buy foreign made products of American owned companies if the above is not available
Last, buy foreign made products of foreign owned companies only as a last resort.
Be willing to step up and pay a premium for American made products. If youu won;t, why should any American company pay a premium for your wages?
DO YOUR PART, BUY AMERICAN!
Too nice outside I’ll guess enjoy some of this human induced indian summer. But I would like to leave the investors with one thought
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MH….doesn’t it embarass you to use the “they started it” routine? That is as childish as the rest of this nonsense. No, I don’t condone the immature antics of anyone…having been called various insulting names myself–I refrain from such idiocy.
So, mh asks, “you have a problem with that?” yes, I do have a problem trying to take anything seriously from someone who continually engages in 3rd grade attacks and “they started it” excuses.
“The right blames the credit crisis on poor minority homeowners. This is not merely offensive, but entirely wrong.”
http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/
DO YOUR PART, BUY AMERICAN!
Do you know how hard it is to find anything Made in the USA in Walmart? Probably holds true in most stores, but Walmart is the only one I let my wife drag me in to (and only screaming and fighting).
MonkeyHawk: Well the Christians broke the law too.
(as if that has any bearing on the issue of ACORN committing criminal acts – knowingly registering dead people, movie stars, and professional football players (more than once).
American_Way posted October 8, 2008 at 12:50 pm
“Sarah Palin is linked in her lineage to President Franklin D. Roosevelt. She also has a connection with Britain’s Princess Diana”
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Britain’s Princess Diana? Is Palin going to claim that enhances her foreign policy credentials, like she does re being able to see Russia from Alaska?
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com
brian_nuevo
Posted October 8, 2008 at 1:17 pm | Permalink
“The right blames the credit crisis on poor minority homeowners. This is not merely offensive, but entirely wrong.”
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Wrong!
The “Right” blames it on predatory lending practices, any person not qualified to get a loan and unchecked Tom Foolery by Wall Street using monopoly money to buy, sell and trade worthless paper.
Bronwyn Lance Chester, an editorial writer at The Virginian-Pilot, stated in November 2004 when the newspaper dropped Malkin’s column that Malkin “habitually mistakes shrill for thought-provoking and substitutes screaming for discussion. She’s an Asian Ann Coulter. [...] She’s the worst of what’s wrong with punditry today. She adds absolutely nothing to genuine political discourse.”[25] Malkin responded “I’m not Asian, I’m American, for goodness’ sake. I would take the comparison to Ann Coulter as somewhat of a compliment. I have a lot of respect for Ann Coulter.”[26]
Malkin has been criticized for defending the forced internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.[27][28] While promoting her book “In Defense of Internment”, Malkin was asked whether she believed internment was “the right thing to do”. Malkin responded:
Well, I think that, based on the military intelligence and legal assessments at the time, the Roosevelt administration did the best that it could do.[29]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Malkin
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This is why James doesn’t list his sources, sometimes. They are sources like the above. (Malkin, not widipedia).
“blames the credit crisis on poor minority homeowners”
Did you think Brian that the rich white people were defaulting on their home loans? I’m sure a few have and many in-between rich and poor also have defaulted. I imagine second home (vacation homes) also come in to play.
But the stats from the National Low Income Housing Coalition bear this out:
The calculations in Table 3 show that across these four states, the foreclosure rate is clearly
associated with poverty, increasing from
0.23% for units in low poverty
communities to a rate of 0.99% for those
in high poverty communities. There is a
similar but less pronounced pattern for the
renter categories. Note that the foreclosure rates for low and average poverty neighborhoods fall within a narrow range (0.21% to 0.35%) and show no clear pattern moving from communities with low to high renter concentrations. The real foreclosure “hot spots” are neighborhoods with high levels of poverty and average-to-high levels of renter-occupied housing – the only two categories that exceed the regional average.
For Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island, the conclusions drawn from Table 7 are
largely consistent with the regional findings above. The foreclosure rate in neighborhoods
considered to be “high poverty, high renter” is more than twice the statewide rate and at least
four times higher than each state’s “low poverty, low renter” rate. Connecticut, Massachusetts
and Rhode Island show a steady increase in the foreclosure rate across the categories, while New
Hampshire does not appear to have a similar pattern.
Conclusions
Previous NLIHC research on the characteristics of the housing stock facing foreclosure
demonstrates that any discussion of this crisis must include the displacement of renter
households (Wardrip and Pelletiere, 2008).
Using the same property-level data for four states in New England, the research presented here
suggests that, relative to a community’s total households, the foreclosure rate is
disproportionately high in neighborhoods with high levels of poverty, which are also associated
with renter-occupied housing and other measures commonly associated with socioeconomic
disadvantage. Although this dataset does not permit definitive conclusions to be made about the
characteristics of the households directly affected and displaced by these foreclosures, it
indicates clearly that low income neighborhoods are bearing the brunt of the foreclosure crisis
and should be prioritized in any distribution of funds intended to ameliorate its effects.
http://www.nlihc.org/doc/RN-08-02-Final.pdf
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StevenEDavis
Posted October 8, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink
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This is why James doesn’t list his sources, sometimes. They are sources like the above. (Malkin, not widipedia).
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Wrong dunderhead…
I don’t list sources because sometimes because I forget, don’t care, or if I list too many hyperlinks the message will be rejected (awaiting moderation)
But please do adjust your tin foil hat, you’re wearing it a bit crooked today.
Barack Obama’s campaign has received roughly 10 times more money from declared U.S. donors living in Germany, France and Britain than his Republican rival, reflecting his popularity in Europe as he makes his first tour of the continent as the presumed Democratic nominee.
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Islamic leaders tied by federal investigators to the radical Muslim Brotherhood in America – including one under active investigation for alleged terror-financing – have recently donated to Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign for president, according to Federal Election Commission records reviewed by WND.
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Despite dropping the groundbreaking bombshell story of “Palestinian” brothers from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza who donated $33,000 to Obama’s campaign.
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JERUSALEM – Palestinian brothers inside the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip are listed in government election filings as having donated $29,521.54 to Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign.
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An auditor for the Federal Election Commission is attempting to have his bosses seek a formal investigation into the collection by the Obama for President campaign of more than $200 million in potentially illegal political donations, including millions of dollars of illegal, foreign donations, and has sought a request for assistance from the Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation. But the analyst’s requests have largely been ignored. “I can’t get anyone to move. I believe we are looking at a hijacking of our political system that makes the Clinton and Gore fundraising scandals pale in comparison. And no one here wants to touch it.”
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While the security people were not able to track most of the sources due to firewalls and other blocking devices put on these contributions they were able to collate the number of contributions that were coming in seemingly from individuals but the funds were from only a few credit card accounts and bank electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia , Iran , and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia .
Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese ISP with a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.
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oh thats nice.
House Democrats are concerned that it wasn’t just Rep. Barney Frank who was having extracurricular relations with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac executives, and that those relationships will come to light before the election a month from now.
According to a former Democrat staffer working for the House Committee on Financial Services, there were a number of stories involving Democrat members of the committee, as well as staffers for those Democrats, participating in retreats and getaway weekends paid for by Fan and Fred executives and lobbyists.
“Republicans were in the majority, and they weren’t getting invited on these trips,” says the former aide, who now works for an investment house in New York. “It’s not that Republicans weren’t enjoying themselves, but not the way my guys were. If I were a Democratic member in the mid to late 90s and dealt with financial services or housing issues, I’d be real nervous right now.”
Frank has not hidden the fact that he was in a romantic relationship with a former executive for Fannie Mae. Frank now chairs the Financial Services Committee and was one of several longtime Democrat members who sought assurances from Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi that no action would be taken on Fan or Fred investigations until after the election in November.
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nice.
In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as “Will, Good” from Austin, Texas.
Mr. Good Will listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You.”
A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the latest master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25.
In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.
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sweet.
The stats point to the number of foreclosures by income level and neighborhoods (poverty level). By association this many times includes minorities.
While I can see some reaching a conclusion that there are more foreclosures among minorities and the poor – that does NOT provide justification for blame.
There is plenty of blame to go around, without concentrating on the less fortunate who were whipped and bullied into signing up for the loans.
1. A congress forcing a belief system on society that everyone should own a home.
2. An active network which intended to help the poor and minorities buy a home which was too aggressive and sometimes falsefided documents (ACORN).
3. An active network which put pressure on local banks and lending institutions to approve subprime loans for the poor and minorities.
4. A president named Clinton who expanded the 1977 program to allow banks to not seek employment/salary information for homoe loans.
5. A congress greedy for campaign contributions which did all it could to support the practise of subprime loans.
6. Greedy banks and lenders.
7. Greedy and dishonest banks and lenders.
8. Fanny Mae
9. Freddy Mac
10. Homebuyers who took the risk
This points to blame, which should all be examined to prevent recurrence.
But the bailout I’m afraid is going to the wrong end of the blame spectrum.
The FEC has compiled a separate database of potentially questionable overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions totaling $33.8 million. More than 520 listed their “state” as “IR,” often an abbreviation of Iran. Another 63 listed it as “UK,” the United Kingdom.
More than 1,400 of the overseas entries clearly were U.S. diplomats or military personnel, who gave an APO address overseas. Their total contributions came to just $201,680.
But others came from places as far afield as Abu Dhabi, Addis Ababa, Beijing, Fallujah, Florence, Italy, and a wide selection of towns and cities in France.
In July and August, the head of the Nigeria’s stock market held a series of pro-Obama fundraisers in Lagos, Nigeria’s largest city. The events attracted local Nigerian businesses owners.
At one event, a table of eight at one fundraising dinner went for $16,800. Nigerian press reports claimed sponsors raked in an estimated $900,000.
The sponsors said the fundraisers were held to help Nigerians attend the Democratic convention in Denver. But the Nigerian press expressed skepticism of that claim, and the Nigerian public anti-fraud commission is now investigating the matter.
Concerns about foreign fundraising have been raised by other anecdotal accounts of illegal activities.
In June, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave a public speech praising Obama, claiming foreign nationals were donating to his campaign.
“All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man,” the Libyan leader said. “They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency…”
Though Gadhafi asserted that fundraising from Arab and African nations were “legitimate,” the fact is that U.S. federal law bans any foreigner from donating to a U.S. election campaign.
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awsome.
Regular posted October 8, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Wrong dunderhead…
I don’t list sources because sometimes because I forget, don’t care, or if I list too many hyperlinks the message will be rejected (awaiting moderation)
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“Kansas values” Regular sometimes adds fictional paragraphs to his copy/paste posts.
Regular has zero credibility (and zero self-respect).
Cosmos when you can disprove the items that reg posted then you can cry foul. Until thin I will accept them as true since AmWay and Biased1 have posted many similar items that have been proven to be true.
What do you guys on the left take that blinds you to the truth. If Obama is so great why can’t he win on his own merits? Why does he need to cheat? Why do his followers feel the need to cover up this corruption?
Regular,
What is the source of the 2 paragraphs begining with,
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Under the bill, ACORN would have…
I noticed that language … AWFUL was my reaction. …
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In your copy/paste at
‘Potential Theft of Billions by ACORN in the bailout bill’
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/if-you-thought-the-campaign-was-negative-before/#comment-440996
SOURCE??? Regular doesn’t need any stinkin source!
The earlier paragraphs were from,
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html
but those other 2 paragraphs were NOT.
Regular just added some fictional garbage to his copy/paste, like he did with his New Orleans levee post.
The Wichita Eagle Blog — where Republicans, like “Kansas values” Regular, can easily spread their hateful LIES.
Stop whining cosmos, they were all legit comments.
“Kansas values” Regular also added a false, fictional last paragraph to his copy/paste post here, and he also stole J M Walker’s nic.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25-4/#comment-239232
Regular has zero credibility (and zero self-respect).
Ah I see cosmos, in attack mode today.
Watsa matter cosmos, is being a hermit getting to you?
Cat scratch fever?
biased1,
Did you make those things up or are you copy/pasting them? Are you plagiarising or did you just run out of room to include a link to your sources?
“Kansas values” Regular,
I’m not “whining”, and I’m not in “attack mode”.
I’m just pointing out the fact that you are a proven liar.
If your friends, like okobserver, want to believe a proven liar, that’s their problem, not mine.
brian_nuevo
Posted October 8, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
biased1,
Did you make those things up or are you copy/pasting them? Are you plagiarising or did you just run out of room to include a link to your sources?
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They are legit. Copy and paste (which I rarely do)
I just googled ‘obama campaign contributions’
Looks like AIG is assdeep into the democrats and john kerry tried to stop them back in 2004.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-02-04-kerry-aig_x.htm
better brains?
Looks like AIG is assdeep into the democrats and “john kerry” tried to stop them back in 2004.
should have been John McCain. oops
Ordo Ab Chao
biased1 posted October 8, 2008 at 2:58 pm
They are legit. Copy and paste (which I rarely do)
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Informed, intelligent people do not consider unreliable sources, like Ken Timmerman at NewsMax, “legit”.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NewsMax.com
Totally and completely off topic…
There’s a new article in the Eagle that brings up a question I have. Maybe someone here can answer it.
Document shredding Saturday at Towne West
I can shred my own documents, but when there’s a bunch shredded at once, where do I dispose of the, um, shreds? My problem is that they are of various types of paper. I really don’t want to have to sort them again, this time into glossy, colored, white, or whatever.
Last time I had stuff shredded, they blew it into a hopper on the back of the truck.
Giving the crooks our tax dollars did not work so well. No accountability as to how this money will be spent. Of course the foxes in the hen house wrote out the bailout bill. Business as usual.
AIG Execs Held Luxury Vacation Days After $85B Taxpayer Bailout On Capitol Hill, the House Oversight Committee continued hearings into the financial crisis with testimony from executives of the trouble mortgage giant AIG.
Investigators revealed AIG executives held a week-long retreat at a luxury resort just days after receiving an $85 billion taxpayer bailout last month. The $440,000 vacation included $200,000 for rooms, $150,000 for meals and $23,000 in spa charges. Democratic Congress member Elijah Cummings of Maryland took issue with the timing of the retreat.
Rep. Elijah Cummings: “We contacted the resort where AIG held this week-long event, and we requested copies of AIG’s bills. We learned that AIG spent nearly half-a-million dollars in a single week at the—at this hotel. Now, this was right after the bailout.”
AIG has already used up $61 billion of its $85 billion government loan.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/8/headlines#9
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“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (And Stick You with the Bill)”
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lunch_how_the_wealthiest_americans
Pre, I used to give the shreds to a nearby vet clinic / boarding place. They welcomed them! Just a thought.
Rox, the recycle center Pro KanMiller takes shredded paper.
I am unsure as to whether they want it sorted or not.
While I can see some reaching a conclusion that there are more foreclosures among minorities and the poor – that does NOT provide justification for blame.
That’s mighty white of you merikan way
littlejohn, what truck??
Linda, thanks. Good suggestion.
BlueJay, that’s what I’m not sure of. The website doesn’t mention shredded, just Office paper, Mixed paper/Junk Mail, Magazines & Catalogs, Newspapers.
My mother, bless her heart, saved EVERYTHING. I tossed out what I could, but the remaining should probably be shredded. And there are boxes and boxes of it. :(
Thanks to all. I’ll look into each when time allows…whatever that is.
Pre-
The last time I took stuff to a public “shredding” there was a large truck from a mobile shredding service there. Just past the cab was a compartment that held a staging area, and a large shredder. That shredder was connected to a large bin on the back of the truck by a pneumatic hose. BLowers pushed the shreds from the shredder into the bin. I guess I just assumed there would be this shredding truck made available.
This is rather amusing …
CARACAS, Venezuela — They don’t call him President Bush in Venezuela anymore.
Now he’s known as “Comrade.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/53611.html
Rabidly pro-abortion Obamanation refuses to say whether his socialized medicine plan will include taxpayer-funded abortions. You know it will, and will probably at least triple the profits going to abortionist quacks for each abortion, and will probably cause a significant increase in the number of abortions as well.
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Planned Parenthood abortion mills are still illegally covering up evidence of statutory rapes, shielding adult rapists, and committing secretive abortions upon underage girls.
Meanwhile, the Ohio Supreme Court is hearing the case of Planned Parenthood’s secret abortion on a 14-year-old rape victim, in violation of the state’s parental notification law. Perverted soccer coach John Haller had raped the girl when she was 13, and signed off on the abortion, paying with his credit card. He served merely 3 years in prison for 7 counts of sexual battery. Planned Parenthood’s shyster says the allegation is a red herring. [But we know it is evidence of a nationwide criminal pattern of abuse and greed that victimizes our children.]
In another Ohio case, Planned Parenthood is accused of failure to report incest, resulting in a girl being raped by her father for an additional 18 months, additional rapes that would not have been inflicted had Planned Parenthood abortionist quacks obeyed state laws. The father served merely 5 years in prison.
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Colorado Democrat Gov. Bill Ritter announced Tuesday that he opposes Amendment 48, a first-in-the-nation measure that would change the state’s constitution to declare that a fertilized egg is a person, calling the proposal bad policy, bad medicine, and bad law. Ritter is a bad governor, siding with the notorious ilk that claim personal opposition to abortion, but never acting in any way in the vital interest of government on behalf of human life and dignity, to stop or limit the legalized mangling, dismembering, poisoning, and beheading of babies.
Those bewailing their fear of a legal nightmare would be well advised to carefully examine the legal nightmare that has been created by a legalized contract killing industry that is corrupting our local, state, and federal governments, and violating state and federal laws and medical regulations with near impunity, a national law enforcement crisis.
“Colorado Democrat Gov. Bill Ritter announced Tuesday that he opposes Amendment 48, a first-in-the-nation measure that would change the state’s constitution to declare that a fertilized egg is a person, calling the proposal bad policy, bad medicine, and bad law
Good. It is “bad policty, bad medicine, and bad law”
And I am pro life.
This is little dated — but it seems it’s going around again – I checked Snopes:
BIG VIRUS COMING !!!
http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/postcard.asp
Hi All, I checked with Norton Anti-Virus, and they are gearing up for this virus! This is the worst virus announced by CNN. I checked Snopes (URL above:), and it is for real!! Get this E-mail message sent around to your contacts ASAP
PLEASE FORWARD THIS WARNING AMONG FRIENDS, FAMILY AND CONTACTS!
You should be alert during the next few days. Do not open any message with an attachment entitled ‘POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK,’ regardless of who sent it to you. It is a virus which opens A POSTCARD IMAGE, which ‘burns’ the whole hard disc of your computer. This virus will be received from someone who has your e-mail address in his/her contact list. This is the reason why you need to send this e-mail to all your contacts. It is better to receive this message 25 times
than to receive the virus and open it.
If you receive a mail called ‘POSTCARD,’ even though sent to you by a friend, do NOT open it!
Shut down your computer immediately.
It has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever. This virus was discovered by McAfee yesterday, and there is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc,
where the vital information is kept.
Cook COunty Sherriff refused to follow law.
“CHICAGO (AP) – Residents of foreclosed properties in Chicago and other parts of Cook County don’t have to worry about deputies forcing them out. Sheriff Tom Dart says that starting Thursday his office won’t take part in evictions.
Dart says he’s concerned that many of the people being evicted are renters who were unaware that their landlords have been failing to pay their mortgages. He says his deputies have no way of knowing whether they’re removing someone who has defaulted on a loan or someone who has been faithfully paying rent.
Dart says he thinks he’s the first sheriff in a major metropolitan area to stop such evictions during the ongoing foreclosure crisis.
Dart says the number of mortgage foreclosures in Cook County has skyrocketed and will probably keep rising.
City Manager Search Update
Date: October 8, 2008
Contact: Communications Team
Phone: (316) 268-4351
The City Manager Citizens Committee is scheduled to meet at 2 p.m. today in the fifth floor Conference Room at City Hall, 455 N. Main. The 17-member committee is charged with reviewing 22 candidates seeking to become the next City Manager.
Misty Bruckner, the chair of the committee, will be available for media questions at 1:30 in the first floor Boardroom at City Hall. Also attending will be Mayor Carl Brewer and a representative of Slavin Consultants, the search firm hired to firm hired to assist the nationwide search for the City’s top administrator
Bruckner, of the Hugo Wall School of Urban and Public Affairs at Wichita State University, will provide updated information on the goals and challenges of the search process.
Slavin Consultants has sought candidates in communities with a city manager form of government and more than 100,000 in population. Wichita’s population ranks in the top 20 among communities with a city manager form of government.
The City Manager reports to the seven-member Wichita City Council, oversees 3,100 employees, a $500 million annual budget and a $2.4 billion Capital Improvement Program. The City Manager position has been vacant since Jan.2 when former City Manager George Kolb resigned.
RE:BIG VIRUS COMING !!!
PC users lament. Macs aren’t effected.
THE PRO-BARACK VOTE-FRAUD DRIVE
Michelle Malkin
October 8, 2008
SYSTEMIC corruption of our election process continues. Barack Obama and his old friends at ACORN and Project Vote are leading the way. This radical revolution is taking place in your backyard. And as I’ve reported before, this voter-fraud racket is on your dime.
On Monday, the two groups announced the wrap-up of a 21-state voter-registration drive targeting low-income people and minorities in such battleground states as Ohio, Pennyslvania, Colorado, Florida, New Mexico and Wisconsin.
What’s wrong with that? For starters, these two groups are militantly partisan outfits purporting to engage in nonpartisan activity. And their campaign comes amid an avalanche of fresh voter-fraud allegations involving ACORN in many of those same states.
ACORN has helped register over 1.27 million people nationwide. It gets 40 percent of its revenues from the taxpayers, with the rest coming from left-wing heavyweights like billionaire George Soros and the Democracy Alliance.
Lefty lawyer Sandy Newman founded Project Vote, a 501(c)(3) organization, to register voters in welfare offices and unemployment lines with the explicit goal of turning back the Reagan revolution.
The two groups are inextricably linked – and at their nexus is Barack Obama. Despite his denials of any association with the group, Obama’s political DNA is encoded with the ACORN agenda.
As I’ve noted previously (”ACORN: O’s Ugly Ally,” June 26), Obama trained ACORN members in Chicago. In turn, ACORN volunteers worked on his Illinois campaigns and ACORN’s PAC endorsed him in this year’s Democratic primaries back in February.
And Newman hired Obama in 1992 to lead Project Vote efforts in Illinois. The effort’s motto: “It’s a Power Thing.” Today, the Obama campaign’s “Vote for Change” registration drive is running in parallel with ACORN/Project Vote, targetting the same sorts of people.
It’s an all-out scramble to scrape up every last unregistered voter sympathetic to Obama’s big-government vision. “Our volume,” Obama campaign manager David Plouffe bragged of the voter-registration program, “is going to be enormous.”
Quantity over quality. That’s the ACORN way – and the fraud allegations keep piling up:
* Yesterday, Nevada officials raided ACORN’s Las Vegas office after election authorities accused the group of submitting multiple voter registrations with fake and duplicate names. Among the bogus monikers: names of former Dallas Cowboys players.
* Lake County, Ind., election officials this month rejected thousands of registration forms ACORN had turned in from its drives this summer. On a conference call yesterday, GOP officials noted that up to 11,000 of the applications were no good – tying up election officials and jeopardizing the voting rights of untold victims whose identities may have been stolen.
In what seems to be ACORN’s standard operating procedure, vote canvassers had pulled names and addresses from phone books and forged signatures. According to a local paper (the Northwest Indiana and Illionois Times), “Large numbers of voter registration forms bore signatures all in the same apparent handwriting style” and “apparently the organization’s canvassers broke rules to meet ACORN-set voter registration quotas to get paid.” The fake registrants include dead people and underage kids.
* Milwaukee, Wisc., officials last month discovered at least seven felons employed as voter-registration workers for ACORN and another affiliated group. (State law bans felons from such work.) They also uncovered a raft of problematic voter-registration cards. The state GOP accuses the group of trying to get dead, imprisoned or imaginary people on the voter rolls. Fraud has plagued ACORN’s Milwaukee chapter since the last election cycle.
* In Florida, in Orange County alone, ACORN workers turned in multiple, copycat forms for six separate voters over the summer. The Miami Herald reports: “One individual had 21 duplicate applications.”
Election officials had flagged ACORN’s negligent practices months ago. But it may be too late: In Orange, Broward and Miami-Dade counties, ACORN has signed up 135,000 new voters, nearly 60 percent of them registered as Democrats – a fifth of all new voters in that region.
* In Ohio, large numbers of homeless people got free van and bus rides to register. Shelby Holliday, a reporter for Palestra.net, filmed ACORN shuttling in some prospects. She told me she spoke with one homeless woman who said ACORN “told her who to vote for if she wanted a ‘better life,’ and told her not to worry about jury duty (one of the reasons this homeless woman didn’t want to register) because the government probably wouldn’t be able to track her down. She was registering with a temporary address.”
Holliday interviewed another homeless man targeted by the registration drive who exulted that he was voting for Obama because “I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle.”
“Thug thizzle” is street slang for performing your trademark move. Obama and ACORN have practiced their thug thizzle together for years: Organizing an ever-expanding community of ineligible and marginal voters to expand the Democrat power base. Rules be damned.
malkinblog@gmail.com
mxyzptlk, and if one is using Linux on either platform, no affect there, either. :-)
Good to see you Vaughn…
Is there any recourse, for individuals mentioned in FALSE campaign smear tactics, who are NOT the actual candidate??
Can they sue for slander or libel in such cases where their names/careers/families are drug into the MUD of MUD Slinging SMEARS???
Just wondering……
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/417df05e-9555-11dd-aedd-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
Seems half of the members of OPEC want to hold an emergency meeting to discuss further production cutbacks; I guess they don’t like the looks of lower oil prices (which would also serve as a disincentive to more domestic production of higher cost reserves as well). So, mid-November might be very interesting.
Chas, there is no pat answer to the question you raise. The best I can do is say “Yes, but….” with a long list of caveats following the but.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palin_drops_reference_to_willi.php
Anyone else notice this? Allegedly, neither Gov. Palin nor Sen. McCain mentioned Ayers today in stump speeches. Wonder if the blogger is correct on this, or if there’s a new strategy in play?
“Chas” –
Political speech gets a lot of latitude, so the attack on a third party would have to be egregious and cause measurable harm to the third party for it to be actionable.
“avtolle” notes –
“…neither Gov. Palin nor Sen. McCain mentioned Ayers today in stump speeches…”
It’s probably due to “Franklin” reporting his “findings” back to the Republic Party whimpering how we handed him is ass so many times they could dust it for prints.
Ohlbermann reports, however, that they’ve gone dog-whistle with the Ayers guilt-by-association smear.
But Shelly Shannon’s name cropped up today.
Raw Story reports John McCain, against the advice of wiser heads, addressed a conference of the far right Oregon Citizens Alliance in the early 90s. He should have listened.
The speaker just prior to McCain publicly expressed sympathy for Shelly Shannon, who then stood accused (and was eventually convicted) of the attempted murder of Dr. George Tiller of Wichita, Kansas — as well as carrying out a multi-state spree of clinic arsons across the West.
Shelly Shannon also considered herself a soldier in the underground terror organization, Army of God, which views Shannon as a “hero of the faith” and a “Warrior Soldier in the Army of God.” The group devotes a section of its web site to celebrating her exploits and her martyrdom.
The latest from the McCain campaign:
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/10/why-we-campaign.html
An old sea story
There’s an old sea story in the Marine Corps about a lieutenant who inspected his Marines in the field, and afterward told the ‘Gunny’ that the men smelled bad.
The lieutenant suggested the solution is that they should change underwear.
The Gunny responded, ‘Aye, aye, sir, I’ll see to it immediately!’
The Gunny went straight to the squad tent and announced, ‘The lieutenant thinks you guys smell bad, and wants you to change your underwear.
Smith, you change with Jones, McCarthy, you change with Witkowsky, and Brown, you change with Schultz. Now get to it!’
THE MORAL:
A candidate may promise ‘change’ in Washington ,
but don’t count on things smelling any better
I heard the intro today for mccain, I was wondering why palin went back to the convention speech slogans.
Maybe they decided they just couldn’t win the sleaze campaign, so called a truce with obama.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 8, 2008 at 5:56 pm | Permalink
RE:BIG VIRUS COMING !!!
PC users lament. Macs aren’t effected
M – I didn’t know that — are they susceptible to viruses of a different source / type ?
‘Seems half of the members of OPEC want to hold an emergency meeting to discuss further production cutbacks;
Of course if we drill offshore and produce more, they won’t be smart enough to offset with cutbacks to keep the price high, or so goes the conservative philosophy.
I wonder how much exploring the oil companies will want to do if prices continue to decline. They might be inclined to sit on any finds until it became more profitable.
Obama, the Great Deceiver
How Barack Hussein Obama was trained in the methods of radical ways by Saul Alinksy,
Bill Ayers, John L. McKnight and other radical philosophers and teachers.
1. Obama was a community organizer.
2. Saul Alinsky was a community organizer.
Obama is so well-trained in Alinsky tactics that he used to teach workshops on it.
Saul Alinsky is one of Obama’s heroes. In 1971 he published a book, “Rules for
Radicals. Saul Alinsky believes in the socialism, redistribution of wealth.
Alinsky taught his proteges to “HIDE” their true goals by any means necessary. Lying was fine. The objective of Alinsky was to turn people against the white establishment.
“Barack (Obama) stood up that day,” talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods,
“and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be…”
And, “All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.”
Here’s an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals:
“The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves…The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means… The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be.”
Obama’s friend Bill Ayers:
“Ayers in his famous 1970 statement, “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at.”
Bill Ayers gave Barack Obama his job at the Woods foundation where Obama passed out huge amounts of money to organizations which in turn that would buy votes for his runs at various political offices. Organizations like ACORN received funds from the Woods Foundation.
Saul Alinsky’s son has said, “Obama learned his lesson well” “…In Artful Dodger style,
Barack Obama, plays down his mentorship with Communist author Saul Alinsky. But Alinsky’s son, L. David Alinsky, credits Obama for “learning his lesson well” from the Communist guru.”
Saul Alinsky, who literally wrote the book on how to subvert democracies into Marxist
dictatorships.2
Barack Obama is a fervent supporter and prodigy student of Saul Alinsky.
Guuiliani on Obama
(Interview with Andrea Mitchell)
“Giuliani—”This guy, educated in the Saul Alinsky methods. A good friend of Ayers. Very close to [Jeremiah]Wright. This is the most left wing candidate of the Democratic Party. Its ideology. Its ideology, Andrea. It’s not guilt by association.”
Psychopaths
True psychopaths like Obama are often charming, seductive, and treacherous. They make natural con artists. Obama and in general the far left convince others (their followers) that a “higher morality” allows them to act without conscience.
Guess who recommended obama to Harvard?
“Obama approached Northwestern University professor John L. McKnight – a loyal student of Alinsky’s radical tactics – to pen the Harvard letter in the late 1980s. McKnight serves on the boards of radically anti-American groups in Chicago, including one accused of thuggery.”3
The Chicago-based Gamaliel Foundation lists McKnight as a board director. From 1985 to 1988, Obama worked for a subsidiary of Gamaliel, where he cut his teeth as a community organizer on Chicago’s South Side. McKnight and Gamaliel, which was founded on Alinsky’s principles, provided training for the budding radical.3
Before leaving for Harvard, Obama wrote an article published in a journal titled, “After
Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois,” in which he praised McKnight and his organizing strategies.3
Obama is a dangerous, far left radical. Barack Obama is trained in the fine art of deception and has learned that lying is not a bad thing, but a necessary pathway to achieve goals.
Alinsky dedicated the first edition of his book, “Rules for Radicals,” to Satan
Folks, we do not want Obama in the White House. This will be the end of the American Society as we know it. Radicalism will become accepted and deception will be the rule of the day. What Obama’s agenda is, makes the Soviet Union style of propaganda look like child’s play.
If you love America and what it stands for, you need to alert everyone you know about the far left radical Barack Hussein Obama. Obama is the great deceiver.
1. http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-92191
and other embedded links in the document(s)
2 sodahead.com
3. World Net Daily Posted Sept 24, 2008
First Palin now now Cindy — McCain is letting women to the heavy lifting for him — hiding behind skirts — some hero — no honor no integrity must have had it beaten out of him in prison
“Kansas values” Regular posted October 8, 2008 at 8:03 pm
“Guuiliani(sic) on Obama”
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LOL! Giuliani is definitely NOT a credible source re Obama.
And “Kansas values” Regular’s stupid attacks on Obama are a pathetic joke.
McCodger Brags about His Ayers Connection!
http://tinyurl.com/3owrc3
DEFENDING AMERICA
BY DAVID H. HACKWORTH
ARE McCAIN’S HANDLERS PLAYING THE WRONG CARD?
John McCain is being hailed by the press as a “genuine war hero.” But is he a war hero in the conventional sense like Audie Murphy and John Glenn?
Or is his “war hero” status the creation of a very slick publicity campaign that plays on flag, duty, honor and country?
For sure, McCain has the fruit-salad — a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars , two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service gongs.
On a purely medal count basis, he out-weighs Murphy and Glenn, who both for years repeatedly performed extraordinary deeds on the ground or in the air against an armed enemy.
McCain’s valor awards are based on what happened in 1967, when during his 23d mission over Vietnam, he was shot down, seriously injured, captured and then spent 5 1/2 brutal years as a POW.
In an attempt to find out exactly what the man did to earn these many hero awards, I asked his Senate office three times to provide copies of the narratives for each medal. I’m still waiting.
I next went to the Pentagon. Within a week, I received a recap of his medals and many of the narratives that give the details of what he did.
None of the awards, less the DFC, were for heroism over the battlefield — where he spent no more than 20 hours. Two Naval officers described the awards as “boilerplate” and “part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnam-era) POWs.”
McCain’s Silver Star narrative for the period 27 October 1967 — the day after he was shot down — to 8 December 1968 reads: “His captors… subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes. Through his resistance to those brutalities, he contributed significantly towards the eventual abandonment…” of such harsh treatment by the North Vietnamese.
Yet in McCain’s own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors “O.K, I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.”
A Vietnam vet detractor says, “He received the nation’s third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy!”
The rest of his valor awards — issued automatically every year while he was a POW — read much like the Silver Star. More boilerplate often repeating the exact same words. An example: “By his heroic endeavors, exceptional skill, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces.”
Yet McCain’s conduct while a POW negates these glowing comments. The facts are that he signed a confession and declared himself a “black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate.” This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the anti-war movement.
Accounts by McCain and other writers tell of the horror he endured: relentlessly beatings, torture, broken limbs. All inflicted during savage interrogations. Yet no other POW was a witness to these accounts.
A former POW says “No man witnessed another man during interrogations… We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell.”
The U.S. Navy says two eye-witnesses are required for any award of heroism. But for the valor awards McCain received, there are no eye-witnesses, less himself and his captors.
And they’re not talking.
cosmos is part of the radical left.
He wishes our society great harm and hopes it will spiral downwards towards a path of socialism ruled by radical thought and void of God’s word.
Regular posted October 8, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Guuiliani(sic) on Obama
(Interview with Andrea Mitchell)
“Giuliani—”This guy, educated in the Saul Alinsky methods. A good friend of Ayers.
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Thank you very much “Kansas values” Regular, for the LOL’s!
‘Giuliani ties Obama to Saul Alinsky on Morning Joe…And manages to lie in less than 30 seconds.’
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/7/9646/16637
“First Ayers.
Then Wright.
It looks like Saul Alinsky is on today’s McCain TP Memo.
Mr. Mayor made a fool of himself on Morning Joe, and the transcript shows how Andrea Mitchell and Mika Brzezinski called him out.
…
Giuliani—”This guy, educated in the Saul Alinsky methods. A good friend of Ayers.
…
Mitchell—”But Mr. Mayor, the NY Times said he was not a good friend.
…
Giuliani—”I didn’t say he was a friend. I said…”
Brzezinski—”What are you saying?”
Mitchell—”"You said he was a good friend.”
…
Giuliani—”He was a bomber…they sat on a board for 3 years together and gave away millions of dollars to housing projects. That was the relationship. I don’t know if it was a friendship or not.“
“He wishes our society great harm and hopes it will spiral downwards towards a path of socialism ruled by radical thought and void of God’s word.” — the wefu
Imagine
Indie
Posted October 8, 2008 at 8:36 pm | Permalink
DEFENDING AMERICA
BY DAVID H. HACKWORTH
ARE McCAIN’S HANDLERS PLAYING THE WRONG CARD?
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That was the biggest load of crap I have ever read. Try spending 10 minutes in a pow camp, and then tell me you ain’t giving them everything you know, plus everything you ever forgot. All the services recognize the fact that if tortured, you will talk.
McCain was not a treasoness man by any crap some moron writes. He could have left, but chose to stay with the other prisoners. You, on the other hand, would be running out the door, crying for your mama. If you have to quote some brainless tripe like, DAVID H. HACKWORTH, you need to change out that tinfoil hat for one actually containing brain matter.
Give it up cosmos, I already identified the relationship of Ayers, Alinsky and McKnight as that of ideology.
…A dangerous ideology at that.
There’s nothing you can write to dispute that,
…absolutely nothing…because the ideology is shared between Ayers, Alinsky, McKnight and Obama are identical.
What a massive, clueless, hysterical flip-flop!
Giuliani—”… A good friend of Ayers
30 seconds later,
Giuliani—”… I don’t know if it was a friendship or not.“
“3. World Net Daily Posted Sept 24, 2008″
ROFL!!! WND — home ezine of Jerome Corsi, lying bastard author, and all around LOSER!!!
And that is what Regular calls credible???
Has Alinsky been convicted of some Crime??? Or is FREEDOM of THOUGHT now up for questioning in McCain’s American Vision???
As usual, cosmos misses the point deliberately. It is because cosmos practices deception. Show something that was being forwarded – “friendship.”
What was being presented is the type of radical ideology Obama represents, has trained to others and uses as his philosophy in guiding his political ambitions.
cosmos was and is being deliberately deceptive.
But we all know, if your a far left radical like cosmos, it’s okay to misrepresent and lie.
Chas
Posted October 8, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink
“3. World Net Daily Posted Sept 24, 2008?
ROFL!!! WND — home ezine of Jerome Corsi, lying bastard author, and all around LOSER!!!
And that is what Regular calls credible???
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Prove that it’s wrong.
I looked about 50 Web pages on the matter, they all came up with the same conclusion about Obama’s ideology.
Prove it’s wrong or STFU (Chas’s version)
I REPEAT >>>> Reaqd carefully, Reguliar >>>
Is FREEDOM of THOUGHT now up for questioning in McCain’s American Vision???
It seems Regular is wants to defeat people, by “association” and for having “freedom of thought”.
What more PROOF do I need, except for your own FALSE BS???
JMWalker posted October 8, 2008 at 8:55 pm
If you have to quote some brainless tripe like, DAVID H. HACKWORTH, you need to change out that tinfoil hat for one actually containing brain matter.
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Is this who JM Walker is calling a “brainless tripe”?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hackworth
“David Haskell Hackworth (November 11, 1930 – May 4, 2005) known affectionately as “Hack”, was a retired United States Army colonel and prominent military journalist.”
Obama’s Alinsky Lessons
Barack Obama had just graduated from Columbia and was looking for a job. Some white leftists were looking for someone who could recruit in a black neighborhood in the south side of Chicago.
Obama answered a help-wanted ad for a position as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago. Obama was 24 years old, unmarried, very accustomed to a vagabond existence, and according to his memoir, searching for a genuine African-American community.
Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to “rub raw the sores of discontent,” in Alinsky’s words.
One of Obama’s early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say
to an Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, about Obama:
“He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full
of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they
were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.”
The agitator’s job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the “realization” that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and
corporations will see imminent “self-interest” in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.
In these methods, euphemistically labeled “community organizing,” Obama had a four-year
education, which he often says was the best education he ever got anywhere.
Is it any wonder, then, that Obama’s Alinsky Jujitsu is making mincemeat of the woman
who merely interviewed Alinsky, wrote about him, and spent the next 30 years in corporate law and in the lap of taxpayer-funded luxury in government mansions?
Obama Not Starry-Eyed Like His Followers
Alinsky considered himself a realist above all, the ultimate pragmatist. As a confirmed
atheist, Alinsky believed that the here and now is all there is, and therefore had no qualms about assorted versions of morality in the pursuit of worldly power. He didn’t coddle his radical acolytes or encourage their bourgeois distinctions between good and evil when it came to transferring power from the Haves to the Have Nots. Alinsky saw the already formed church communities as being the perfect springboards for agitation and creating bonds for demanding goods and services.
When Obama first undertook his agitating work in Chicago’s South Side poor neighborhoods, he was un-churched. Yet his office was in a Church and most of the folks he needed to agitate and organize were Church people — pastors and congregants — who took their churches and their church-going very seriously. So, this became a problem for the young agnostic, who had been exposed to very little religion in his life. Again and again, he was asked by pastors and church ladies, “Where do you go to Church, young
man?” It was a question he dodged for a while, but finally he relented and joined a church.
Not just any church, but a huge black nationalist church with a pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who unabashedly preaches a “black” gospel. Rolling Stone Magazine ran with a story on Obama and his church, entitled, “Destiny’s Child,” which included this excerpt from one of Rev. Wright’s sermons: “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” he intones.
“Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!”
“We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!”
The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: “And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS S**T!”
This doesn’t sound like any church in which I’ve ever worshipped, but perhaps I have led a sheltered life. Reverend Wright, whom Obama called his spiritual mentor and still claims is his sounding board, has taken trips abroad with none other than Louis Farrakhan. The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan received the “Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright,Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer” Award at the 2007 Trumpet Gala at the the United Church of Christ. Wright was even reported to be a former Muslim. One might be led to wonder if this “church” isn’t all it makes itself out to be.
Among some of the black nationalist signs hanging in this church are a list of admonishments to black solidarity, called the “Black Value System,” and a sort of moral code calling for the “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.” I don’t recall the Ten Commandments or anything at all in the Gospel about race, so this seems a bit
strange.
But Obama isn’t starry-eyed when it comes to protecting himself from the possibility of bad press regarding his church affiliation. When he was preparing to announce his campaign for the Presidency in February, he called his minister, Reverend Wright, the night before and disinvited him to stand on the podium in front of all the cameras.
Rather than face questions, he simply eliminated the target, a perfect Alinsky action meant to forestall an enemy reaction.
Hillary should have known what she was up against when she read up on how Obama won his state senate seat in Illinois.
Obama had returned to Chicago and practiced civil rights law for 3 years, when he spied an opportunity to run for the state senate. A longtime, widely-revered matron of the civil rights movement named Alice Palmer had held the seat for a number of years, but she announced that she wanted to run for Congress. So, Obama seized the opportunity and proclaimed his intention to run for Alice’s open seat.
Well, Alice lost the congressional race and decided that she wanted to hang onto that
hard-won state senate seat. Most of the community leaders tried to persuade Obama to
withdraw and wait his turn; he was a newcomer after all.
Instead Obama performed his first real act of political jujitsu. He sent his aides to the courthouse to carefully examine all of Alice Palmer’s signatures to see if enough could be disallowed to knock her off the ballot altogether. And indeed, some of Alice’s
signatures were fake. The aides also found enough other fake signatures on opponents’
ballot initiatives to knock them off the ballot as well.
By the time Barack Obama walked handily into his state senate seat, everyone there knew him as “the man who knocked off Alice Palmer.” Quite a feat indeed for the newcomer, the young whippersnapper with the odd name.
Perhaps Hillary will win some states and stay in the game a while longer, but I fear this knight with his adoring, fawning followers is just too slick for her and ole Bill, and he seems to know how to play Alinsky ends-and-means hardball without actually breaking the law.
Kyle-Anne Shiver is a frequent contributor to American Thinker.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html
Yeah cosmos, Hacksworth – who loved the country so much he moved to Australia to stir up crap there as well.
That ACORN nut was really cracked to heck today.
BOTTOM LINE:
DemoRats don’t care if they have to steal the election to win. Socialism at all costs for them.
Just Remember, 4 years from now, you will HAVE what you asked for. And don’t btich about it. You asked for it.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 8, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink
JMWalker posted October 8, 2008 at 8:55 pm
If you have to quote some brainless tripe like, DAVID H. HACKWORTH, you need to change out that tinfoil hat for one actually containing brain matter.
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Is this who JM Walker is calling a “brainless tripe”?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hackworth
“David Haskell Hackworth (November 11, 1930 – May 4, 2005) known affectionately as “Hack”, was a retired United States Army colonel and prominent military journalist.”
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When he writes articles like that about McCain’s heroism, that would be you’re damn right.
I really don’t give a damn what you think of McCain. I wouldn’t vote for him under just about any circumstances, but to call into question his war record as a POW takes a moron, and the name, “Hack,” fits perfectly.
Keep it real, people. That kind of crap belongs nowhere anyone with an IQ of 2 or higher congregate.
Chas
Posted October 8, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink
“3. World Net Daily Posted Sept 24, 2008?
ROFL!!! WND — home ezine of Jerome Corsi, lying bastard author, and all around LOSER!!!
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Brought to you by: The Phony Preacher.
Chas
Posted October 8, 2008 at 9:18 pm | Permalink
I REPEAT >>>> Reaqd carefully, Reguliar >>>
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Teacher! Teacher! (Waves hands and gyrates frantically!)
Listen to me!
Listen to me!
I’m a Phony Preacher with a message for you! If you don’t listen the first time, I’LL JUST HAVE TO REPOST, AND REPOST, AND REPOST, AND REPOST, until you acknowledge the speck that is calling out to all of you from Whoville.
Here’s Chas, crying out for y’all to “Help Me!”. Listen to Chas, and see if this isn’t him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qP81havHnE
“Kansas values” Regular,
Are you adding any false, fictional paragraphs to your long, right-wing, non-credible copy/pastes that most people just scroll past?
cosmos_originally
Posted October 8, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Permalink
“Kansas values” Regular,
Are you adding any false, fictional paragraphs to your long, right-wing, non-credible copy/pastes that most people just scroll past?
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Pot calling the Kettle black.
What, no new Global Warming news today?
“If Sarah Palin had made just one of the wildly inaccurate statements smugly uttered by Sen. Joe Biden in last week’s vice-presidential debate, there would have been 3-inch headlines in newspapers across America. (I can almost hear Katie Couric asking me, “Which newspapers?”)
These weren’t insignificant errors, such as when Biden said, “Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time, and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.”
It turns out that Katie’s restaurant, where Biden gets his feel for the average American, closed 20 years ago. The only evidence that he spends any time in Home Depot is that it appears that a pipe wrench fell on his head one too many times.
Palin would surely have been forced to withdraw from the ticket had she said something like that, but most of Biden’s errors were not trifling mistakes like these. They were lengthy Lyndon LaRouche-like disquisitions that were pure fantasy from beginning to end.
For example, Biden said about Hezbollah: “When we kicked – along with France – we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon.” Hezbollah was never kicked out of Lebanon.
He continued: “I said and Barack said, ‘Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.’” This is madness – Lebanon is not a NATO country, nor had any NATO country been attacked by Lebanon.
Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn’t picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of foreign policy.
Biden also stoutly denied that Obama ever said he would sit down with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Liberals find it hilarious that McCain can’t use a computer keyboard on account of his war injuries, but Biden is apparently unaware of the Internet, because there are clips all over the Internet of Obama saying exactly that during the CNN/YouTube debate last year.
Biden might have remembered that debate since: 1) He was there, and 2) he later attacked Obama’s answer, telling the National Press Club in August 2007: “Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely, positively, no.”
And that’s still not all! Obama’s own website says: “Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.”
Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn’t picked for the Democrat ticket based on his ability to remember well-known facts.
Biden also gave a long speech at the debate on Vice President Dick Cheney’s “dangerous” belief that “he’s part of the legislative branch.” The great constitutional scholar Biden cited Article I of the Constitution as proof that Cheney “works in the executive branch” and has “no authority relative to the Congress.” Biden huffily added: “He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.”
Palin would have had to deny that Alaska is a state in the union in order to say something comparably stupid.
Article II, not I, describes the executive branch. Someone tell Biden, who is supposed to be a lawyer. Apart from getting the Articles of the Constitution mixed up, what on earth does Biden mean when he says that the vice president “has no authority relative to Congress,” apart from breaking ties?
The Constitution makes him president of the Senate every day of the week. I realize that Biden may not be able to count to two, but Article I says the vice president is president of one of the two houses of Congress – the one Biden is in, for crying out loud – which is what you might call “authority relative to Congress.”
Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn’t picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of the Constitution.
In one especially hallucinatory answer, Biden authoritatively stated: “With Afghanistan, facts matter, Gwen. … We spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country.”
According to the Congressional Research Service, since 9/11, we’ve spent $172 billion in Afghanistan and $653 billion in Iraq. The most money spent in Iraq came in 2008, when we have been spending less than $3 billion a week. So by Biden’s calculations, we’ve spent only about $9 billion “on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country.” There isn’t even a “9″ in $172 billion.
Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn’t picked for the Democrat ticket based on his knowledge of math.
In the same answer, Biden went on to claim that “John McCain voted against a comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty that every Republican has supported.”
The last nuclear test ban treaty the Senate voted on was the one Clinton signed in the ’90s. As The New York Times editorialized on the Senate vote a few years later: “Last week, Senate Republicans thundered ‘no’ to the nuclear test ban treaty, handing the White House its biggest defeat since health care in 1994.” Forty-nine Republicans voted against the treaty; only four liberal Republicans voted for it. That’s the treaty Biden says “every Republican has supported.”
Somebody please tell me that Biden wasn’t picked for the Democrat ticket based on his ability to function as vice president.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4
“One other thing I’ve done, is I’ve called on private sector mortgage banks and banks to be more aggressive about lending money to first-time home buyers. And the response has been really good. There’s a lot of people in this — our communities around the country that deeply care about the issue of homeownership, and they’ve been responsive.”
– George W. Bush, U.S. President, March 26, 2004.
MaxGrobnik posted October 8, 2008 at 9:38 pm
What, no new Global Warming news today?
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It was on the debate thread.
For Hank, and all the other AGW deniers,
http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008c.html
QUESTION: Senator McCain, I want to know, we saw that Congress moved pretty fast in the face of an economic crisis. I want to know what you would do within the first two years to make sure that Congress moves fast as far as environmental issues, like climate change and green jobs?
MCCAIN: Well, thank you. Look, we are in tough economic times; we all know that. And let’s keep — never forget the struggle that Americans are in today.
But when we can — when we have an issue that we may hand our children and our grandchildren a damaged planet, I have disagreed strongly with the Bush administration on this issue. I traveled all over the world looking at the effects of greenhouse gas emissions, Joe Lieberman and I.
And I introduced the first legislation, and we forced votes on it. That’s the good news, my friends. The bad news is we lost. But we kept the debate going, and we kept this issue to — to posing to Americans the danger that climate change opposes.
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‘Obama Hits Hard on Efficiency Themes,/b>’
http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/obama-hits-hard-on-efficiency-themes/?hp
“It is not often that home weatherization gets discussed at the presidential level. Yet there was Senator Barack Obama at the debate on Tuesday night, urging Americans to save energy by fixing up their houses.
“Each and every one of us can start thinking about how can we save energy in our homes, in our buildings,” Mr. Obama said. His administration, he said, would incentivize Detroit to make more fuel-efficient cars, and would also be “making sure that you are able to weatherize your home or make your business more fuel efficient”. ”
More at link, plus link to ‘Debating the Facts on Oil, Nukes and Climate‘
Catching up.
I don’t have the free time that “busy bee” okobserver has.
Thanks for getting my back farmgrrl.
As for okie? I’ll be better than her.
I’ll get MY shots in when she is actually around.
ACORN again. YAWWWWN.
in real news today…
Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law, according to a review of state records and Social Security data by The New York Times. …
In the year ending Sept. 30, election officials in Nevada, for example, used the Social Security database more than 740,000 times to check voter files or registration applications and found more than 715,000 nonmatches, federal records show.
Officials of the Social Security Administration, presented with those numbers, said they were far too high to be cases where names were not in state databases. They said the data seem to represent a violation of federal law and the contract the states signed with the agency to use the database.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?hp
ACORN again. YAWWWWN.
in real news today…
Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law, according to a review of state records and Social Security data by The New York Times. …
In the year ending Sept. 30, election officials in Nevada, for example, used the Social Security database more than 740,000 times to check voter files or registration applications and found more than 715,000 nonmatches, federal records show.
Officials of the Social Security Administration, presented with those numbers, said they were far too high to be cases where names were not in state databases. They said the data seem to represent a violation of federal law and the contract the states signed with the agency to use the database.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?hp
Monitoring Sean Hannity’s interview with McCain and Palin. Full report tomorrow.
Hannity and his FOX “news” masters ARE the center now of the McCain campaign. The distractions and attacks from McCain and Palin have their source with Hannity and FOX “news”
Predictably enough, Sarah Palin will only do interviews from now on with either Hannity or FOX “news” convert Greta van Sustern.
“The agitator’s job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the “realization” that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and
corporations will see imminent “self-interest” in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.” LOL
Sounds like the basic approach to a Revival Preacher working an arena audience!!
To wit >>>>
The evangelist starts out…..
“first to bring folks to the “realization” that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of” anybody but themselves… but if they REPENT of what it is that is making them miserable, they can then command that GOD forgive them, and SAVE them from all their self-centered deeds!!
“The agitator’s job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the “realization” that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and
corporations will see imminent “self-interest” in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.”
ALSO sounds a whole lot like what the hate and fear mongers are attempting to do with the Obama candidacy….
You go for it, haters…. USE Alinsky for all you got, then turn around and make your stupid half assed accusations!!
MAX — You suck green weenies… your posts are sooo smelly… must be your bad breath ivading the Blog!! Try CREST!!
Sarah Palin Gets Arrested!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGS_tbhejhI
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