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		<title>By: GMC70</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-456903</link>
		<dc:creator>GMC70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;“The key is that first we acknowledge that government has profound strengths, 

Name one.</description>
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<p>Name one.</em></p>
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		<title>By: sursum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-456041</link>
		<dc:creator>sursum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>situvieux1:Some societies think that therapy and lifestyle changes are more effective than surgery, especially with load bearing joints, obeseity etc., maybe that&#039;s why the Canadian system is reluctant to operate on anyone who is not a good candiadate to benefit from the procedure. If you still carry crushing weight a new knee won&#039;t last and tummy tucks are dangrouse as compared to life style changes, but if surgery is a profit center, who cares? Therein lies the idea of wait times so often critcized in the Canadian system. Elective surgery takes second place to needed surgery. 7 years for surgery and 7 months for a proscibed scan is nonsense. Besides scans a seem to be a uniquely American tool, not so much used elsewhere....just another revenue source? GE does do wonderful marketing..remember the mamography scan hype when it came out? Well the results are often wrong, causing needless worry, and besides, they got a better way of scanning now...or so they say. Some scans do harm to the body and should only be used as a diagnostic tool as a last resort. Just some more ASMA findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>situvieux1:Some societies think that therapy and lifestyle changes are more effective than surgery, especially with load bearing joints, obeseity etc., maybe that&#8217;s why the Canadian system is reluctant to operate on anyone who is not a good candiadate to benefit from the procedure. If you still carry crushing weight a new knee won&#8217;t last and tummy tucks are dangrouse as compared to life style changes, but if surgery is a profit center, who cares? Therein lies the idea of wait times so often critcized in the Canadian system. Elective surgery takes second place to needed surgery. 7 years for surgery and 7 months for a proscibed scan is nonsense. Besides scans a seem to be a uniquely American tool, not so much used elsewhere&#8230;.just another revenue source? GE does do wonderful marketing..remember the mamography scan hype when it came out? Well the results are often wrong, causing needless worry, and besides, they got a better way of scanning now&#8230;or so they say. Some scans do harm to the body and should only be used as a diagnostic tool as a last resort. Just some more ASMA findings.</p>
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		<title>By: sursum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-456023</link>
		<dc:creator>sursum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>situvieux1: Canadians  don&#039;t come to the US for health care, not in the manner you suggest. At any one time there are 600,000 of them here and in winter more than a million, most of them elderly and retirees who will need to see a doctor or continue therapies started at home. Small Canadian towns along the border may find it necessary to use bigger/closer US facilites when an emergemcy arises, but that is rare and for what it&#039;s worth, folks in upstate Vermont sometimes go to Montreal. In fact many of those US hospitals have Canadian professional health care workers who cross the border every day to go to work. Canadian firefighters have been responding to emegencies in New York and Vermont for decades because their local facilites are more complete, that does mean there is a shortage of US firefighers or we have to turn to Canada to put out fires! Same thing with forest fires, you will find Canadian foresters as far south as California on the firelines when an emergency happens. It&#039;s called co-operation, not reliance. Your &quot;argument&quot; is another misrepresentation of what is going on on the ground.The American Student Medical Association wrote a report on the myth of Canadians standing around like feed lot cattle waiting to be cared for by a better equipped US health care system. Read it,its quite interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>situvieux1: Canadians  don&#8217;t come to the US for health care, not in the manner you suggest. At any one time there are 600,000 of them here and in winter more than a million, most of them elderly and retirees who will need to see a doctor or continue therapies started at home. Small Canadian towns along the border may find it necessary to use bigger/closer US facilites when an emergemcy arises, but that is rare and for what it&#8217;s worth, folks in upstate Vermont sometimes go to Montreal. In fact many of those US hospitals have Canadian professional health care workers who cross the border every day to go to work. Canadian firefighters have been responding to emegencies in New York and Vermont for decades because their local facilites are more complete, that does mean there is a shortage of US firefighers or we have to turn to Canada to put out fires! Same thing with forest fires, you will find Canadian foresters as far south as California on the firelines when an emergency happens. It&#8217;s called co-operation, not reliance. Your &#8220;argument&#8221; is another misrepresentation of what is going on on the ground.The American Student Medical Association wrote a report on the myth of Canadians standing around like feed lot cattle waiting to be cared for by a better equipped US health care system. Read it,its quite interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-456000</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medical tourism growing

http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2005/mar/tourism072505.html</description>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455998</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://ezinearticles.com/?American-Patients-See-Mexico-As-a-Better-Health-Care-Alternative&amp;id=1605352</description>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455996</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If health care is a right and national health care is so wonderful, tell me, why are Canadians STILL coming to the US for treatment?”

Why are so many Americans going to Mexico of all places, to receive great healthcare at a reasonable cost?

Does that mean Mexico&#039;s health care system is better than ours?

ROFLMAO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If health care is a right and national health care is so wonderful, tell me, why are Canadians STILL coming to the US for treatment?”</p>
<p>Why are so many Americans going to Mexico of all places, to receive great healthcare at a reasonable cost?</p>
<p>Does that mean Mexico&#8217;s health care system is better than ours?</p>
<p>ROFLMAO!</p>
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		<title>By: GMC70</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455956</link>
		<dc:creator>GMC70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 07:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got home, and haven&#039;t read the thread.  I&#039;ll offer just this thought:

If we are using the term &quot;right&quot; in the same sense we usually use the term as referencing &quot;rights&quot; as protected in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, etc. amendments, NO, healthcare is NOT a right.  

Rights are inherent and inalienable, and for that reason, few but precious.  Healthcare is neither inherent nor inalienable.  It&#039;s just that simple.  

Now, that said - if we, as a society, wish to provide healthcare to all, and dedicate the resources to do so, certainly, we can and should.  But a &quot;right,&quot; in the same sense as our other &quot;rights?&quot;  

Not at all.  Absolutely not.  

I still have a thought on a health insurance plan that might be palatable to both sides, if I could share it with someone who is knowledgable in insurance to see if it could work.  Any takers?  I&#039;ll do this privately, to avoid the idiots - on both sides - here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got home, and haven&#8217;t read the thread.  I&#8217;ll offer just this thought:</p>
<p>If we are using the term &#8220;right&#8221; in the same sense we usually use the term as referencing &#8220;rights&#8221; as protected in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, etc. amendments, NO, healthcare is NOT a right.  </p>
<p>Rights are inherent and inalienable, and for that reason, few but precious.  Healthcare is neither inherent nor inalienable.  It&#8217;s just that simple.  </p>
<p>Now, that said &#8211; if we, as a society, wish to provide healthcare to all, and dedicate the resources to do so, certainly, we can and should.  But a &#8220;right,&#8221; in the same sense as our other &#8220;rights?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Not at all.  Absolutely not.  </p>
<p>I still have a thought on a health insurance plan that might be palatable to both sides, if I could share it with someone who is knowledgable in insurance to see if it could work.  Any takers?  I&#8217;ll do this privately, to avoid the idiots &#8211; on both sides &#8211; here.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455929</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, if insurance is so great why doesn&#039;t that handful of Canadians buy their own Canadian health insurance riders, and skip that trip, receive their care on their own schedule, and north of the border?

They are free to buy private insurance riders if they wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, if insurance is so great why doesn&#8217;t that handful of Canadians buy their own Canadian health insurance riders, and skip that trip, receive their care on their own schedule, and north of the border?</p>
<p>They are free to buy private insurance riders if they wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455926</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If health care is a right and national health care is so wonderful, tell me, why are Canadians STILL coming to the US for treatment?&quot;
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It&#039;s only a handful.  And in any group you&#039;ll always have some naysayers.

Canadians favor their national healthcare by a WIDE majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If health care is a right and national health care is so wonderful, tell me, why are Canadians STILL coming to the US for treatment?&#8221;<br />
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<p>It&#8217;s only a handful.  And in any group you&#8217;ll always have some naysayers.</p>
<p>Canadians favor their national healthcare by a WIDE majority.</p>
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		<title>By: situveux1</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455922</link>
		<dc:creator>situveux1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly written by a liberal journalist rather than a health care worker.

You do not have a &#039;right&#039; to make me take care of you.  I have a responsibility and oath to take care of those in need, but you do not have a right to make me take care of anyone.

Further, anyone that thinks national health care will magically solve all of our health care problems is delusional.  Just look to our friend in the north.  7 month wait for a CT scan.  7 year wait for a knee replacement.  And what happens to those folks in the mean time?  Oh, that right, they sit at home and draw on government welfare.

If health care is a right and national health care is so wonderful, tell me, why are Canadians STILL coming to the US for treatment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly written by a liberal journalist rather than a health care worker.</p>
<p>You do not have a &#8216;right&#8217; to make me take care of you.  I have a responsibility and oath to take care of those in need, but you do not have a right to make me take care of anyone.</p>
<p>Further, anyone that thinks national health care will magically solve all of our health care problems is delusional.  Just look to our friend in the north.  7 month wait for a CT scan.  7 year wait for a knee replacement.  And what happens to those folks in the mean time?  Oh, that right, they sit at home and draw on government welfare.</p>
<p>If health care is a right and national health care is so wonderful, tell me, why are Canadians STILL coming to the US for treatment?</p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455911</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed
Posted October 25, 2008 at 9:26 pm &#124; Permalink
We can count on our insurance industry to fight tooth and nail any concept of health care as a right. If it’s a right, then they can’t sell it to us. If they can’t sell it, they’ll lose one of their biggest cash cows.
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Of course.

And they&#039;ll turn their lobbyists loose en masse again, if they think they need to keep us Americans in line.

That&#039;s what&#039;s so sweet this time.  The US taxpayer now owns AIG, and it sounds like we may own some more big insurance companies in the near future.  Perfect timing IF we can get some courage out of Congress and the Exec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed<br />
Posted October 25, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink<br />
We can count on our insurance industry to fight tooth and nail any concept of health care as a right. If it’s a right, then they can’t sell it to us. If they can’t sell it, they’ll lose one of their biggest cash cows.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>Of course.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;ll turn their lobbyists loose en masse again, if they think they need to keep us Americans in line.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what&#8217;s so sweet this time.  The US taxpayer now owns AIG, and it sounds like we may own some more big insurance companies in the near future.  Perfect timing IF we can get some courage out of Congress and the Exec.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455898</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I thought so.

   NO ideas from the cons.

   Just more of the same. &quot;Poor people are not suffering enough! When they are homeless and eating dirt and thankful for that dirt THEN come talk to me about health care for them!&quot;

    THANKFULLY, such folks are about to be put in the margins where they belong. They WILL contribute to the solution whether they have the compassion to do so or not. TOO bad they can&#039;t bring anything more than judgment and blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I thought so.</p>
<p>   NO ideas from the cons.</p>
<p>   Just more of the same. &#8220;Poor people are not suffering enough! When they are homeless and eating dirt and thankful for that dirt THEN come talk to me about health care for them!&#8221;</p>
<p>    THANKFULLY, such folks are about to be put in the margins where they belong. They WILL contribute to the solution whether they have the compassion to do so or not. TOO bad they can&#8217;t bring anything more than judgment and blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455840</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can count on our insurance industry to fight tooth and nail any concept of health care as a right. If it&#039;s a right, then they can&#039;t sell it to us. If they can&#039;t sell it, they&#039;ll lose one of their biggest cash cows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can count on our insurance industry to fight tooth and nail any concept of health care as a right. If it&#8217;s a right, then they can&#8217;t sell it to us. If they can&#8217;t sell it, they&#8217;ll lose one of their biggest cash cows.</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455762</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporations are not run by humans, they&#039;re run by blood sucking corps.</description>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455745</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want my free healtcare!

Wah!  Wah!  Wah!

I want my free food!

Wah!  Wah!  Wah!

I want my free house!

Wah!  Wah!  Wah!

I want my free clothes!

Wah!  Wah!  Wah!

I T 

I S 

M Y 

R I G H T !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want my free healtcare!</p>
<p>Wah!  Wah!  Wah!</p>
<p>I want my free food!</p>
<p>Wah!  Wah!  Wah!</p>
<p>I want my free house!</p>
<p>Wah!  Wah!  Wah!</p>
<p>I want my free clothes!</p>
<p>Wah!  Wah!  Wah!</p>
<p>I T </p>
<p>I S </p>
<p>M Y </p>
<p>R I G H T !!!</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455744</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Phantom Revelation:  Corporations are not run by humans.</description>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455741</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporations (and businesses) don&#039;t pay for health care! People pay for health care.
Same argument as Corporations don&#039;t pay taxes. It just gets reflected in their prices.
One reason Airbus was able to outbid Boeing (with mccain&#039;s insistence) was that subsidies both direct and indirect couldn&#039;t be taken into account.
Business would be more competitive with countries with socialized health care if they didn&#039;t have to pass on the expense to the consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporations (and businesses) don&#8217;t pay for health care! People pay for health care.<br />
Same argument as Corporations don&#8217;t pay taxes. It just gets reflected in their prices.<br />
One reason Airbus was able to outbid Boeing (with mccain&#8217;s insistence) was that subsidies both direct and indirect couldn&#8217;t be taken into account.<br />
Business would be more competitive with countries with socialized health care if they didn&#8217;t have to pass on the expense to the consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455739</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point OK.

Obama needs to share his wealth.

Isn&#039;t it amazing how Obama can raise $150 million in one month from so many poor, little, people?

I thought the economy was in crisis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point OK.</p>
<p>Obama needs to share his wealth.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it amazing how Obama can raise $150 million in one month from so many poor, little, people?</p>
<p>I thought the economy was in crisis?</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regular
Posted October 25, 2008 at 9:16 am &#124; Permalink
Leading causes of deaths for infants in the U.S.

Let’s see:

Health Care would fix this how?

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There is nothing to fix Regular.  We need more babies to die.  We need more abortions.

Earth has too many people.  WE have all caused Global Warming and we will kill all life on this Earth.

We need less healthcare, not more.

We need fewer humans, not more.

Isn&#039;t that right Cosmos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regular<br />
Posted October 25, 2008 at 9:16 am | Permalink<br />
Leading causes of deaths for infants in the U.S.</p>
<p>Let’s see:</p>
<p>Health Care would fix this how?</p>
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<p>There is nothing to fix Regular.  We need more babies to die.  We need more abortions.</p>
<p>Earth has too many people.  WE have all caused Global Warming and we will kill all life on this Earth.</p>
<p>We need less healthcare, not more.</p>
<p>We need fewer humans, not more.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that right Cosmos?</p>
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		<title>By: okobserver</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455736</link>
		<dc:creator>okobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just loved the cartoon on the editorial page today. It showed someone congratulating Obama for raising an amazing amount of money last month. It then showed this same person picking up a bag with half the money in it to take to the McCain campaign. Obama hollers &#039;thats my money&#039;. The guy just kept going and said something to the effect of &#039;from those who have to those who need. Isn&#039;t that you plan?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just loved the cartoon on the editorial page today. It showed someone congratulating Obama for raising an amazing amount of money last month. It then showed this same person picking up a bag with half the money in it to take to the McCain campaign. Obama hollers &#8216;thats my money&#8217;. The guy just kept going and said something to the effect of &#8216;from those who have to those who need. Isn&#8217;t that you plan?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455735</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brownlee/JR,

You must be deluded if you don&#039;t expect to give me money to pay for my kids&#039; healthcare.

It&#039;s my right.  It&#039;s my kids&#039; right.

Pay up guys.  It&#039;s time for y&#039;all to put your money where your big fat lazy a mouths have been for a long, long, time.  

And your bills are way past due.  

Show me the money, R I G H T - N O W !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brownlee/JR,</p>
<p>You must be deluded if you don&#8217;t expect to give me money to pay for my kids&#8217; healthcare.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my right.  It&#8217;s my kids&#8217; right.</p>
<p>Pay up guys.  It&#8217;s time for y&#8217;all to put your money where your big fat lazy a mouths have been for a long, long, time.  </p>
<p>And your bills are way past due.  </p>
<p>Show me the money, R I G H T &#8211; N O W !!!</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455734</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say JR,

I&#039;m coming over tomorrow to knock on your door and demand that you hand me money to pay for health care for my kids.

It&#039;s my right, by God, and JR, you&#039;ve been saying it&#039;s my right for a long time.

Now, it&#039;s time for you to put your money where your mouth is.

Pay up bud.

The bill is past due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say JR,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m coming over tomorrow to knock on your door and demand that you hand me money to pay for health care for my kids.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my right, by God, and JR, you&#8217;ve been saying it&#8217;s my right for a long time.</p>
<p>Now, it&#8217;s time for you to put your money where your mouth is.</p>
<p>Pay up bud.</p>
<p>The bill is past due.</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/only-deluded-think-health-care-isnt-a-right/#comment-455732</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?

BROWNLEE, YOU DON&#039;T WANT TO PAY FOR MY FREE HEALTHCARE RIGHT!

Darn you straight to Heck then, for being such a lame-brain hypocrite saying on one hand that people have a Right to Free Siht, then on the other hand, YOU REFUSE TO PAY ME FOR MY RIGHT!

Oh, I get it.

You want SOMEBODY ELSE to pay.

You frickin hypocrite Brownlee.  How can you possibly look your sorry assed face in the mirror every day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?</p>
<p>BROWNLEE, YOU DON&#8217;T WANT TO PAY FOR MY FREE HEALTHCARE RIGHT!</p>
<p>Darn you straight to Heck then, for being such a lame-brain hypocrite saying on one hand that people have a Right to Free Siht, then on the other hand, YOU REFUSE TO PAY ME FOR MY RIGHT!</p>
<p>Oh, I get it.</p>
<p>You want SOMEBODY ELSE to pay.</p>
<p>You frickin hypocrite Brownlee.  How can you possibly look your sorry assed face in the mirror every day?</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right Brownlee,

YOU were born on this Earth, and EVERYONE ELSE owes you Free Healthcare, Food, Housing, Clothing, Free Heating/Cooling, a Car, a Boat, and Beer.

Now Brownlee, since YOU OWE ME ALL THIS FREE STUFF, I DEMAND THAT YOU SEND A CHECK TO ME IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,000,000.  

Brownlee, it is MY RIGHT.  And somebody has to pay for my rights, so IT MIGHT AS WELL BE Y O U !

Y O U Brownlee, said it&#039;s my right, and by God, I&#039;m demanding my right, right now!  

Pay up Bud.  You owe me and lotsa other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right Brownlee,</p>
<p>YOU were born on this Earth, and EVERYONE ELSE owes you Free Healthcare, Food, Housing, Clothing, Free Heating/Cooling, a Car, a Boat, and Beer.</p>
<p>Now Brownlee, since YOU OWE ME ALL THIS FREE STUFF, I DEMAND THAT YOU SEND A CHECK TO ME IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,000,000.  </p>
<p>Brownlee, it is MY RIGHT.  And somebody has to pay for my rights, so IT MIGHT AS WELL BE Y O U !</p>
<p>Y O U Brownlee, said it&#8217;s my right, and by God, I&#8217;m demanding my right, right now!  </p>
<p>Pay up Bud.  You owe me and lotsa other people.</p>
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		<title>By: okobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>okobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlueJay writes:
To my knowledge and experience, Healthwave is voluntary for the medical and dental service providers who choose to paricipate. I am grateful for the few doctors and dentist who choose to do so. THEY exemplify that they are TRULY devoted to helping and healing.
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Actually this is a contract like any other state contract. The doctors and dentists are part of an approved panel. They are then paid at the usual and customary rates for the area and procedure.

This isn&#039;t volunteer work, trust me. You really should research this before you pat them on the back. There are volunteer clinics for a day. Many of these are ran by insurance companies giving back to the neighborhood.

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BlueJay
Posted October 25, 2008 at 5:54 pm &#124; Permalink
With business increasingly not providing insurance or easily affordable insurance to their employees, MORE people will not have health care.

Anyone can see where this eventually goes as costs increase.

Eventually, you reach a point where too few people can afford health care. Doctor’s offices and hospitals sit underused or idle. THIS forces their costs higher in order to stay in business.
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Hardly, when people cut back on health care then the price will come down. Look what happened when people stopped driving as much and the price of gas came down. The oil speculators were no longer able to drive up the price of oil and the market price came down.

The market will work this way everytime. That is why drill here, drill now and pay less was the catylist that started oil prices down. OPEC has met several times trying to figure out how to get oil prices up again but they shop themselves in the foot with the high prices and they are no longer in the drivers seat.

Same will happen with drugs and medical bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlueJay writes:<br />
To my knowledge and experience, Healthwave is voluntary for the medical and dental service providers who choose to paricipate. I am grateful for the few doctors and dentist who choose to do so. THEY exemplify that they are TRULY devoted to helping and healing.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Actually this is a contract like any other state contract. The doctors and dentists are part of an approved panel. They are then paid at the usual and customary rates for the area and procedure.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t volunteer work, trust me. You really should research this before you pat them on the back. There are volunteer clinics for a day. Many of these are ran by insurance companies giving back to the neighborhood.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>BlueJay<br />
Posted October 25, 2008 at 5:54 pm | Permalink<br />
With business increasingly not providing insurance or easily affordable insurance to their employees, MORE people will not have health care.</p>
<p>Anyone can see where this eventually goes as costs increase.</p>
<p>Eventually, you reach a point where too few people can afford health care. Doctor’s offices and hospitals sit underused or idle. THIS forces their costs higher in order to stay in business.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Hardly, when people cut back on health care then the price will come down. Look what happened when people stopped driving as much and the price of gas came down. The oil speculators were no longer able to drive up the price of oil and the market price came down.</p>
<p>The market will work this way everytime. That is why drill here, drill now and pay less was the catylist that started oil prices down. OPEC has met several times trying to figure out how to get oil prices up again but they shop themselves in the foot with the high prices and they are no longer in the drivers seat.</p>
<p>Same will happen with drugs and medical bills.</p>
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