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Actually, I think Phillip Brownlee needs to review the track record of Herbert Hoover. President Hoover, an Iowan, a Republican and an engineer graduate of Stanford University, tried to battle the Great Depression that started in late 1929, during his administration from 1928 to 1932. At that time, Americans were fairly conservative and resisted spending taxes for things it seemed the people should do for themselves. However, America was overwhelmed by the Great Depression.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a Democrat, former New York Governor, was took office in 1932 and wisely saw that his administration was going to get the government in the rescue business big-time, hence Roosevelt’s “new deal” in which various government programs such as the WPA, CCC and other social programs hired many workers to build public project, do history research and artwork.
As a result, President Roosevelt was elected four times as President, more than any other President. Of course, the U.S. Constitution was amended to hold the presidency to two terms.
However, in my opinion, President Franklin D. Roosevelt was the best president we ever had. Whereas he could have spent his life as a New York sportsman, he devoted many years fighting the depression and later WWII.
“JWink” –
FDR didn’t take office ’til March, 1933.
Read the first couple of chapters of William Manchester’s “The Glory and the Dream.” It’s probably out of print but the library should have it.
No one today has any idea how bad it was in America in 1932. Or the world, for that matter. The worldwide financial collapse paved the way for Hitler to rise to power in Germany and solidified Mussolini’s power in Italy, provided a model for imperial expansion in Japan and, while Stalin didn’t really need an economic crisis in the USSR, provided an incentive for a lot of his horrors.
Hoover pretty much kept hands-off during the depth of the Great Depression. There was a reasonable chance in the election of a communist or fascist in America in 1932.
Roosevelt’s Brain Trust came into power with a “Do something! Anything!” approach. And while the New Deal didn’t provide a panacea of quick fixes, Americans responded because they were “all in this together” and finally there was a perception that somebody was doing something about the crisis.
I don’t know whether the Bailout or anything else will be effective in preventing a Greater Depression. But even as the CONs (whose greed got us into this mess) whine about encroaching “socialism” with the Bailout, no one today is taking the Herbert Hoover’s approach.
Obama the communistic, socialistic and liberal candidate of the dems.
About time for a new, New Deal.
Rebuild our infrastructure. Renew our energy structure. Get the money where it is to be found. From those who have so broken our system and grown rich on it. Squeeze them until they squeal. No more contracting to the lowest private sector bidder. Make the jobs government jobs.
Germany’s devastated economy of that era helped Hitler and his gang to seize power. His “change” and leadership led to one of the most terrible struggles of mankind. Our fragile economy is susceptable to the same human weaknesses. We must’nt ignore a person’s past actions, associates, lack of experience, and arrogance in an effort to put a bandaid on our country’s wounds.
“Our fragile economy is susceptable to the same human weaknesses. We must’nt ignore a person’s past actions, associates, lack of experience, and arrogance in an effort to put a bandaid on our country’s wounds.”
EXACTLY why we can’t afford a McCain/Palin Presidency. 4 more years of Bush ineptness and Palins’ Pentecostal pschyzophrenia would recreate the Third Reich.
According to all the Rewpublics Bill Clinton enacted a horrible “raise taxes in a time of deep economic uncertainty and shrinking growth”. In fact, this is one of the points hammered by Roberts against Slattery. I remember back in 1993 Republics telling us that Clinton would drive us into depression. They were wrong then; they are wrong now.
Unfortunately BOTH Bush’s ran up MASSIVE debts with their irresponsible fiscal policies. I’d use the old line “spending by drunken sailors” but I don’t want to insult either drunks nor sailors. The Republics make THEM look frugal.
Obama is a student of Saul Alinsky, a leftist radical who coined the phrase ‘community organizer.’
An example of their Orwellian doublespeak is found in the use of the term “economic democracy” Derek Shearer, a former editor of Ramparts magazine, discussed the use of the phrase at a 1981 conference sponsored by Ralph Nader in Washington. In counseling attendees to use the term “economic democracy” instead of making direct references to socialism, Shearer noted that:
“While we can’t use the ‘IS” word [socialism] too effec- tively in American advertising, the word “economic democracy” sells. You can take it door to door like Fuller brushes and the doors will not be slammed in your face. So I commend it to you for those who are willing to compromise on the ‘IS” word.
6 Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: A Practical Guide for Radicals (New York: Random House, 1971). 7 Goralski, op. cit.
Obama, the Great Deceiver
How Barack Hussein Obama was trained in the methods of radical ways by Saul Alinksy, Bill Ayers, John L. McKnight and other radical philosophers and teachers.
1. Obama was a community organizer.
2. Saul Alinsky was a community organizer.
Obama is so well-trained in Alinsky tactics that he used to teach workshops on it.
Saul Alinsky is one of Obama’s heroes. In 1971 he published a book, “Rules for Radicals. Saul Alinsky believes in the socialism, redistribution of wealth.
Alinsky taught his proteges to “HIDE” their true goals by any means necessary. Lying was fine. The objective of Alinsky was to turn people against the white establishment.
“Barack (Obama) stood up that day,” talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, “and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be…”
And, “All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.“
Obama to amend report on $800,000 in spending, re: ACORN
By David M. Brown
Friday, August 22, 2008
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat’s campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports.
An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. — a subsidiary of ACORN — worked in “get-out-the-vote” projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.
FEC spokeswoman Mary Brandenberger said it is not unusual for campaigns to amend reports, even regarding large sums of money.
But, said Blair Latoff, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee: “Barack Obama’s failure to accurately report his campaign’s financial records is an incredibly suspicious situation that appears to be an attempt to hide his campaign’s interaction with a left-wing organization previously convicted of voter fraud. For a candidate who claims to be practicing ‘new’ politics, his FEC reports look an awful lot like the ‘old-style’ Chicago politics of yesterday.” …
Melanie Sloan, executive director of the liberal-leaningCitizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said the campaign’s error on FEC documents doesn’t seem extraordinary, especially considering the huge amounts of money being spent.
“It’s rare that people don’t file any amended reports. If he has a pattern of lots and lots of amended reports, that would be more noteworthy than an occasional one,” Sloan said.
Jim Terry, spokesman for a group that tracks ACORN, said Citizens Services Inc.’s involvement in the Obama campaign raises bigger questions.
“All of this just seems like an awful lot of money and time spent on political campaigning for an organization that purports to exist to help low-income consumers,” said Terry, chief public advocate for Consumers Rights League, a Washington, D.C., advocacy outfit with a libertarian outlook.
“ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain,” Terry claimed. “Now it looks like ACORN is using the same type of convoluted accounting scheme for Obama’s political gain.”
Obama is the CSI’s first national candidate, although the company has worked for several regional candidates in recent years, said Jeff Robinson, CSI’s executive vice president…
The Ohio primary was March 4. According to FEC records, the Obama campaign paid Citizens Services Inc. $832,598.29, from Feb. 25 to May 17.
A Trib analysis of campaign finance reports showed Obama paid CSI for services that stood out as unusual. For example, CSI received payments of $63,000 and $75,000 for advance work. Excluding the large payments to CSI, the average amount the Obama campaign spent with other organizations was $558.82 per check on more than 1,200 entries classified as advance work.
Citizens Services Inc. is headquartered at the same address as ACORN’s national headquarters in New Orleans. Citizens Services was established in December 2004 to “assist persons and organizations who advance the interests of low- and moderate-income people,” according to paperwork filed in Louisiana. In a 2006 ACORN publication, Citizen Services Inc. is described as “ACORN’s campaign services entity.” …
Early in his career, Obama worked as an organizer for Project Vote, an ACORN offshoot, and represented ACORN in legal actions, according to various published reports, including Associated Press articles. ACORN’s political action committee endorsed Obama in the primary….
Accusations of voter fraud have followed ACORN’s canvassing projects in about a dozen states. ACORN has dismissed the charges as politically motivated allegations from conservative groups, yet cases are pending and, in other cases, ACORN workers have entered guilty pleas. For example, three ACORN workers pleaded guilty to submitting phony voter registration forms in Washington, and eight ACORN employees pleaded guilty to federal election fraud in Missouri.
ACORN is at the center of a scandal involving a $1 million embezzlement by Dale Rathke, brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke. ACORN discovered the embezzlement in 2000 but did not alert law enforcement officials.
ACORN’s management committee instead negotiated an agreement to have the Rathke family repay the stolen funds, according to a report in The New York Times. The Rathke brothers resigned from ACORN this summer after news reports disclosed the embezzlement. A donor agreed to repay the most of the money, the Times reported…
Robinson is listed on several Web sites as national deputy political director for campaigns and elections at ACORN. He is also listed as political director at the nonprofit Communities Voting Together and as a consultant at Project Vote. He did not return phone calls or an e-mail request for a follow-up interview.
Money flows back and forth between ACORN, Citizens Services Inc., Project Vote and Communities Voting Together. ACORN posts job ads for Citizens Services and Project Vote. Communities Voting Together contributed $60,000 to Citizens Services Inc., for example, in November 2005, according to a posting on CampaignMoney.com. Project Vote has hired ACORN and CSI as its highest paid contractors, paying ACORN $4,649,037 in 2006 and CSI $779,016 in 2006, according to Terry of the Consumers Rights League.
Lest we forget, ACORN is one of the most corrupt political groups out there. Perhaps the most.
As the article notes, they have been caught in endless cases of voter fraud and other crimes.
And, as the article also notes, ACORN is the very group that the young Barack Hussein Obama chose to work for as soon as he was graduated from Harvard Law, as even Wikipedia notes:
Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state…
But stealing elections is what the Democrats and their leaders have been about for a very long time.
Melanie Sloan, executive director of the liberal-leaning Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said the campaign’s error on FEC documents doesn’t seem extraordinary, especially considering the huge amounts of money being spent.
“It’s rare that people don’t file any amended reports. If he has a pattern of lots and lots of amended reports, that would be more noteworthy than an occasional one,” Sloan said.
How hilarious that these paid Soros stooges would give the Obama campaign a clean bill of health. Mr. Soros pulls the strings for all of the ACORN-related organizations mentioned in this article.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-hid-800k-payment-to-acorn
OK everybody, grease up your mouse wheels: the clip n paste squad is up.
They must have gotten a fresh supply of talking points from McCain HQ.
The manager at Dillons told me that since the debate all the area stores have sold out of tin foil.
Hewitt? TOWN freakin’ HALL!!!!!????!!!!???????
Heheheh.
You guys must really miss Randy….
“the disastrous economic policies being pushed by Obama”
WTF?
McCoot and his republican deregulation fanatics are behind the no holds barred actions of the financial sector.
And you want to blame Obama?
heheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Hewitt. I think that’s all that needs to be said…
After Alinsky: Community Organizing in Illinois – Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City
A college paper by Barack Obama
For three years Barack Obama was the director of Developing Communities Project, an institutionally based community organization on Chicago’s far south side. He has also been a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, an organizing institute working throughout the Midwest. Currently he is studying law at Harvard University. “Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City” was first published in the August/ September 1988 Illinois Issues [published by then-Sangamon State University, which is now the University of Illinois at Springfield].
Over the past five years, I’ve often had a difficult time explaining my profession to folks. Typical is a remark a public school administrative aide made to me one bleak
January morning, while I waited to deliver some flyers to a group of confused and angry parents who had discovered the presence of asbestos in their school.
“Listen, Obama,” she began. “You’re a bright young man, Obama. You went to college, didn’t you?”
I nodded.
“I just cannot understand why a bright young man like you would go to college, get that degree and become a community organizer.”
“Why’s that?”
” ‘Cause the pay is low, the hours is long, and don’t nobody appreciate you.” She shook her head in puzzlement as she wandered back to attend to her duties.
I’ve thought back on that conversation more than once during the time I’ve organized with the Developing Communities Project, based in Chicago’s far south side.
Unfortunately, the answers that come to mind haven’t been as simple as her question.
Probably the shortest one is this: It needs to be done, and not enough folks are doing it.
The debate as to how black and other dispossessed people can forward their lot in
America is not new. From W.E.B. DuBois to Booker T. Washington to Marcus Garvey to Malcolm X to Martin Luther King, this internal debate has raged between integration and nationalism, between accommodation and militancy, between sit-down strikes and boardroom negotiations. The lines between these strategies have never been simply drawn, and the most successful black leadership has recognized the need to bridge these seemingly divergent approaches. During the early years of the Civil Rights movement, many of these issues became submerged in the face of the clear oppression of segregation. The debate was no longer whether to protest, but how militant must that protest be to win full citizenship for blacks.
Twenty years later, the tensions between strategies have reemerged, in part due to the recognition that for all the accomplishments of the 1960s, the majority of blacks continue to suffer from second-class citizenship. Related to this are the failures — real, perceived and fabricated — of the Great Society programs initiated by Lyndon Johnson. Facing these realities, at least three major strands of earlier movements are apparent.
First, and most publicized, has been the surge of political empowerment around the country. Harold Washington and Jesse Jackson are but two striking examples of how the energy and passion of the Civil Rights movement have been channeled into bids for more traditional political power. Second, there has been a resurgence in attempts to foster economic development in the black community, whether through local entrepreneurial efforts, increased hiring of black contractors and corporate managers, or Buy Black campaigns. Third, and perhaps least publicized, has been grass-roots community organizing, which builds on indigenous leadership and direct action.
Proponents of electoral politics and economic development strategies can point to substantial accomplishments in the past 10 years. An increase in the number of black public officials offers at least the hope that government will be more responsive to inner-city constituents. Economic development programs can provide structural
improvements and jobs to blighted communities.
In my view, however, neither approach offers lasting hope of real change for the inner city unless undergirded by a systematic approach to community organization. This is because the issues of the inner city are more complex and deeply rooted than ever before. Blatant discrimination has been replaced by institutional racism; problems like teen pregnancy, gang involvement and drug abuse cannot be solved by money alone. At the same time, as Professor William Julius Wilson of the University of Chicago has pointed out, the inner city’s economy and its government support have declined, and middle-class blacks are leaving the neighborhoods they once helped to sustain.
Neither electoral politics nor a strategy of economic self-help and internal development can by themselves respond to these new challenges. The election of Harold Washington in Chicago or of Richard Hatcher in Gary were not enough to bring jobs to inner-city neighborhoods or cut a 50 percent drop-out rate in the schools, although they did achieve an important symbolic effect. In fact, much-needed black achievement in prominent city positions has put us in the awkward position of administering underfunded systems neither equipped nor eager to address the needs of the urban poor and being forced to compromise their interests to more powerful demands from other
sectors.
Self-help strategies show similar imitations. Although both laudable and necessary, they too often ignore the fact that without a stable community, a well-educated population, an adequate infrastructure and an informed and employed market, neither new nor well-established companies will be willing to base themselves in the inner city and still compete in the international marketplace. Moreover, such approaches can and have become thinly veiled excuses for cutting back on social programs, which are anathema to a conservative agenda.
In theory, community organizing provides a way to merge various strategies for neighborhood empowerment. Organizing begins with the premise that (1) the problems facing inner-city communities do not result from a lack of effective solutions, but from a lack of power to implement these solutions; (2) that the only way for communities to build long-term power is by organizing people and money around a common vision; and (3) that a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based indigenous leadership — and not one or two charismatic leaders — can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions.
This means bringing together churches, block clubs, parent groups and any other institutions in a given community to pay dues, hire organizers, conduct research, develop leadership, hold rallies and education campaigns, and begin drawing up plans on a whole range of issues — jobs, education, crime, etc. Once such a vehicle is formed, it holds the power to make politicians, agencies and corporations more responsive to community needs. Equally important, it enables people to break their crippling isolation from each other, to reshape their mutual values and expectations and rediscover the
possibilities of acting collaboratively — the prerequisites of any successful self-help
initiative.
By using this approach, the Developing Communities Project and other organizations in Chicago’s inner city have achieved some impressive results. Schools have been made
more accountable-Job training programs have been established; housing has been renovated and built; city services have been provided; parks have been refurbished; and crime and drug problems have been curtailed. Additionally, plain folk have been able to access the levers of power, and a sophisticated pool of local civic leadership has been developed.
But organizing the black community faces enormous problems as well. One problem is the not entirely undeserved skepticism organizers face in many communities. To a large degree, Chicago was the birthplace of community organizing, and the urban landscape is littered with the skeletons of previous efforts. Many of the best-intentioned members of the community have bitter memories of such failures and are reluctant to muster up
renewed faith in the process.
A related problem involves the aforementioned exodus from the inner city of financial resources, institutions, role models and jobs. Even in areas that have not been completely devastated, most households now stay afloat with two incomes. Traditionally, community organizing has drawn support from women, who due to tradition and social discrimination had the time and the inclination to participate in what
remains an essentially voluntary activity. Today the majority of women in the black community work full time, many are the sole parent, and all have to split themselves between work, raising children, running a household and maintaining some semblance of a personal life — all of which makes voluntary activities lower on the priority list.
Additionally, the slow exodus of the black middle class into the suburbs means that people shop in one neighborhood, work in another, send their child to a school across town and go to church someplace other than the place where they live. Such geographical dispersion creates real problems in building a sense of investment and common purpose in any particular neighborhood.
Finally community organizations and organizers are hampered by their own dogmas
about the style and substance of organizing. Most still practice what Professor John McKnight of Northwestern University calls a “consumer advocacy” approach, with a focus on wrestling services and resources from the ouside powers that be. Few are thinking of harnessing the internal productive capacities, both in terms of money and people, that already exist in communities.
Our thinking about media and public relations is equally stunted when compared to the high-powered direct mail and video approaches successfully used by conservative organizations like the Moral Majority. Most importantly, low salaries, the lack of quality training and ill-defined possibilities for advancement discourage the most talented young blacks from viewing organizing as a legitimate career option. As long as our best and brightest youth see more opportunity in climbing the corporate ladder-than
in building the communities from which they came, organizing will remain decidedly handicapped.
None of these problems is insurmountable. In Chicago, the Developing Communities Project and other community organizations have pooled resources to form cooperative think tanks like the Gamaliel Foundation. These provide both a formal setting where experienced organizers can rework old models to fit new realities and a healthy environment for the recruitment and training of new organizers. At the same time the
leadership vacuum and disillusionment following the death of Harold Washington have made
both the media and people in the neighborhoods more responsive to the new approaches
community organizing can provide.
Nowhere is the promise of organizing more apparent than in the traditional black churches. Possessing tremendous financial resources, membership and — most importantly — values and biblical traditions that call for empowerment and liberation, the black church is clearly a slumbering giant in the political and economic landscape of cities like Chicago. A fierce independence among black pastors and a preference for more traditional approaches to social involvement (supporting candidates for office,
providing shelters for the homeless) have prevented the black church from bringing its
full weight to bear on the political, social and economic arenas of the city.
Over the past few years, however, more and more young and forward-thinking pastors have begun to look at community organizations such as the Developing Communities Project in the far south side and GREAT in the Grand Boulevard area as a powerful tool for living the social gospel, one which can educate and empower entire congregations and not just serve as a platform for a few prophetic leaders. Should a mere 50 prominent black churches, out of the thousands that exist in cities like Chicago, decide to collaborate with a trained organizing staff, enormous positive changes could be wrought in the
education, housing, employment and spirit of inner-city black communities, changes that
would send powerful ripples throughout the city.
In the meantime, organizers will continue to build on local successes, learn from their numerous failures and recruit and train their small but growing core of leadership — mothers on welfare, postal workers, CTA drivers and school teachers, all of whom have a vision and memories of what communities can be. In fact, the answer to the original question — why organize? — resides in these people. In helping a group of housewives sit across the negotiating table with the mayor of America’s third largest city and hold their own, or a retired steelworker stand before a TV camera and give voice to the
dreams he has for his grandchild’s future, one discovers the most significant and satisfying contribution organizing can make.
In return, organizing teaches as nothing else does the beauty and strength of everyday people. Through the songs of the church and the talk on the stoops, through the hundreds of individual stories of coming up from the South and finding any job that would pay, of raising families on threadbare budgets, of losing some children to drugs and watching others earn degrees and land jobs their parents could never aspire to — it
is through these stories and songs of dashed hopes and powers of endurance, of ugliness
and strife, subtlety and laughter, that organizers can shape a sense of community not
only for others, but for themselves.
This whole chapter is almost word for word from Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals, which could be almost summed up this way:
In theory, community organizing provides a way to merge various strategies for
neighborhood empowerment. Organizing begins with the premise that (1) the problems facing inner-city communities do not result from a lack of effective solutions, but from a lack of power to implement these solutions; (2) that the only way for communities to build long-term power is by organizing people and money around a common vision; and (3) that a viable organization can only be achieved if a broadly based indigenous leadership — and not one or two charismatic leaders — can knit together the diverse interests of their local institutions.
For instance, compare:
In fact, the answer to the original question — why organize? — resides in these people. In helping a group of housewives sit across the negotiating table with the mayor of America’s third largest city and hold their own, or a retired steelworker stand before a TV camera and give voice to the dreams he has for his grandchild’s future, one discovers the most significant and satisfying contribution organizing can make.
To Alinsky:
People hunger for drama and adventure, for a breath of life in a dreary, drab existence…
But it’s more than that. It is a desperate search for personal identity—to let other
people know that at least you are alive…
When the organizer approaches him part of what begins to be communicated is that through the organization and its power he will get his birth certificate for life, that he will become known, that things will change from the drabness of a life where all that changes is the calendar. This same man, in a demonstration at City Hall, might find himself confronting the mayor and saying, “Mr. Mayor, we have had it up to here and we are not going to take it any more.” Television cameramen put their microphones in front of him and ask, “What is your name, sir?” “John Smith.” Nobody ever asked him what his name was before. And then, “What do you think about this, Mr. Smith?” Nobody ever asked him what he thought about anything before. Suddenly he’s alive! This is part of the adventure, part of what is so important to people in getting involved in organizational activities and what the organizer has to communicate to him. Not that every member will be giving his name on television—that’s a bonus—but for once, because he is working
together with a group, what he works for will mean something…
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There is no doubt that Mr. Obama is an acolyte of Saul Alinsky. Even if we still aren’t
Are you sure exactly what an organizer is or does?
Through Mr. Alinsky’s book tells us that it means little more than being a street “agitator.”
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Reg, I just watched The Last Samurai. I know you will be having a really hard time when barack HUSSEIN obama begins his term as preznit.
Would you like us to get you a sharp sword so you can fall on it? I dont want you to suffer through the coming four or eight years. Really. What with the muslims in charge, the socialists running the financial system, ACORN in charge of elections, and forced reading of Alinsky for second graders…
Like a good Samurai facing what the voters, er, fates, are dictating, will you accept my gesture of good will? I have a whet stone to really make it sharp and painless.
Out of tinfoil? Say it aint so, Joe!
They were running low on ACORN squash too, the last I checked. I had to settle for Alinsky gourds.
And pray to Mecca five times just to GET INTO the store.
And did I mention, that the store would only accept Ameros or Euros?
I love this new era of socialism.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 9, 2008 at 9:03 am | Permalink
Reg, I just watched The Last Samurai. I know you will be having a really hard time when barack HUSSEIN obama begins his term as preznit.
Would you like us to get you a sharp sword so you can fall on it? I dont want you to suffer through the coming four or eight years. Really. What with the muslims in charge, the socialists running the financial system, ACORN in charge of elections, and forced reading of Alinsky for second graders…
Like a good Samurai facing what the voters, er, fates, are dictating, will you accept my gesture of good will? I have a whet stone to really make it sharp and painless.
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I’ll be turning swords into plowshares as the economic down turn will create desperate times which will require desperate measures. :)
As I look at the Obama bumper sticker on my car and polish the Veterans for Obama pin I’ve been wearing for a couple of weeks now (just so you won’t have any question which way I plan to vote), I do have one fear: That PRESIDENT Obama turns out to be another Jimmy Carter. Jimmah, God love him, was the smartest and one of the nicest men ever to hold the office, but one of the worst politicians in American history.
But I’m still votin’ for Obama.
Dennis
I agree with you Dennis, Jimmy Carter was one of the nicest men and honest. The only thing wrong with Carter was that he did not know how to play the politics game. And since Carter’s term, politics has gotten even dirtier.
But I think Obama is a smart politician and that is what infuriates McCain and fellow Republicans. Imagine ‘that one’ being able to outsmart them at their own game?
Even Hoover didn’t have the distinction of cutting taxes for the wealthy during a war.
Has Bush cinched the WPE title from Hoover yet? I’m sure he will before he leaves office.
Say Eagle, can you find a BIGGER HOOVER photo?
That might help make your point.
I’m sure they will print it over the next TIAHRT AMENDMENT thread!
You know, the one that blocks law enforcement officers from communicating about criminals?
Even though that’s what the 911 Commission recommended.
That one?
Oh and Max? The obama administration is coming to confiscate your guns, give them to ACORN, headed up by Bill Ayers, and they will use them to FORCE you to worship Islam.
heheheh.
That ought to send max under the bed.
After he wets it….
Notice also, I said nothing about Obama implementing socialism?
That’s because bushco and paulson already did it for him.
Nice work repukes!
“The worldwide financial collapse paved the way for Hitler to rise to power in Germany”
-Monkeyhawk
True.
It’s funny how a financial collapse can bring the worst out of a desperate and gullible people. As the world sunk further into Great Depression, the Germans clung tighter to a despot who was just using the misery to gain power.
Such desperation by the people for change does not historically result in positive change.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 9, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink
I’m sure they will print it over the next TIAHRT AMENDMENT thread!
You know, the one that blocks law enforcement officers from communicating about criminals?
Even though that’s what the 911 Commission recommended.
That one?
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That’s a COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE Farmgirl.
Where exactly does the Tiahrt Amendment do what you say it does? It doesn’t.
Either you are too lazy and dense to look it up, or you lie, lie, lie.
SSDD
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 9, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink
I’m sure they will print it over the next TIAHRT AMENDMENT thread!
You know, the one that blocks law enforcement officers from communicating about criminals?
Even though that’s what the 911 Commission recommended.
That one?
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And where is the 911 Commission recommendation to eliminate the Tiahrt Amendment? Where exactly?
Farmgirl blows smoke.
SSDD
Looks like Obama picked up another 2% lead after the debate.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081009/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_poll_9
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 9, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink
Oh and Max? The obama administration is coming to confiscate your guns, give them to ACORN, headed up by Bill Ayers, and they will use them to FORCE you to worship Islam.
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The Lib Leftists here can only joke about Obama’s Acorn relationship and Gun-Ban agenda.
Funny.
Ha.
Ha.
If ya can’t defend Obama, just try to laugh it off.
yuck
yuck
I wonder if that guy with the ‘blue turban’ will show up as the anti-christ (some prediction by someone forgot who) who also predicted that the U.S. will collapse completely economically in 2012 and be engaged in a war in Africa.
Looks like time may have run out for success in Afghanistan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081009/wl_nm/us_afghan_usa_report_1
“Farmgirl blows smoke.”
Naaaaw. I’m just TRYING to be as ridiculous and fearful as you are.
But… I concede.
When it comes to ridiculous and fearful, YOU are the champ!
Oh and max, it isnt obama or ACORN we are laughing at.
It’s you!
BOO!
bedwetter…
Looks like Obama is losing ground after the great debate:
10/09/2008
45%
50%
Obama +5
10/08/2008
45%
51%
Obama +6
10/07/2008
44%
52%
Obama +8
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history
Thanks Farmgirl for proving my point.
I think the next Hoover is kind. The next Stalin seems more like it given his background.
As a service to fellow anarchists, here is where one can check out comrade Alinksy’s book. Available from the socialist institute, the WSU Library:
http://libcat.wichita.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=5&ti=1,5&Search%5FArg=%20Alinsky%2C%20saul&Search%5FCode=NAME%5F&CNT=30&PID=X-vCHnWSV_zHV_zkI7FH6HslY&SEQ=20081009111628&SID=3
“Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll”
I think this is the poll that has consistently been better for McCain than the others.
Thanks Max:
“Thursday, October 09, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%. The race remains quite stable–for the past fourteen days, Obama’s support has ranged from 50% to 52% every day while McCain has been at 44% of 45% (see trends).
I gather the current claim is that Obama was a terrorist when he was 8. Gee, that sounds like MOST boys at that age.
The wails of Republican desperation are becoming more shrill with each passing day.
There are REASONS that Obama is way, way ahead in electoral votes at this point in time.
The REASONS that Obama is ahead are the utterly failed, abysmal RESULTS of 8 years of Bush/Cheney policies and “leadership”.
Only a fool cast a vote for the party that will continue the dismal failures of the past 8 years.
Say what you will about Obama, but he is the only candidate who can bring about any real, positive, meaningful change for America.
I am going to wear earplugs when I wake up on November 5, to try and block the wailing and sobbing of the Republicans who find that their criminal cabal in Washington has come to an ignominious end.
Definition of “Ignominious”
1. marked by or attended with ignominy; discreditable; humiliating: an ignominious retreat.
2. bearing or deserving ignominy; contemptible.
Synonyms: 1. degrading, disgraceful, dishonorable, shameful. 2. despicable, ignoble.
Gm has less actual dollar value (without adjustment) than it had in 1929, you sure can’t attribute that to Obama!
Alinsky dedicated Rules for Radicals:
“… to the very first radical . . . who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer.”
“Bring the Revolution home; kill your parents.”
-Bill Ayers
“(Barack) Obama worked in the organizing tradition of Saul Alinsky, who made Chicago the birthplace of modern community organizing….”
— The Nation
As bad as the market is with bailouts, imagine where they’d be without!
“Phantom
Posted October 9, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink
Gm has less actual dollar value (without adjustment) than it had in 1929, you sure can’t attribute that to Obama!”
I’m sure PaulTheShrillShill will find a way.
IT’S ALL THE DEMOCRATS’ FAULT!
“There are REASONS that Obama is way, way ahead in electoral votes at this point in time.”
You are right, and they have nothing to do with the candidate
“The REASONS that Obama is ahead are the utterly failed, abysmal RESULTS of 8 years of Bush/Cheney policies and “leadership”
Exactly. The reason Obama is doing so well?
He’s not Bush. You state it yourself.
Thank God he’s not bush, America may not survive bush2.
The Bush 8 years is the reason Obama will
1. Fix the economy by taxing business owners,
2. Give all people healthcare by fining those who can not afford it.
3. Win in Iraq by leaving and do the opposite to win the war in Afganistan
4. Restore good will with other countries while restricting free trade,
5. Lower dependence on foreign oil by lobbying OPEC to increase production and increasing taxes on domestic producers of oil….etc.
Sounds good to me. Beachfront property in Arizona? I’m game.
Maybe it’s time to nationalize all banks and financial institutions. If we’re going to have to bail them out, may as well own them.
May as well nationalize the oil companies while we’re at it. Bush may cause the end of the capitalistic model.
Obama can not be the next Hoover, bush is the next Hoover, guess he could be the third Hoover.
Clearing the Ayers
John McCain traces the rancorous tone of the presidential campaign back to last summer when he invited Barack Obama to have lots and lots of town-hall meetings with him all around the country. When Obama turned him down, obviously McCain had no choice but to start depicting his opponent as a terrorist-loving advocate of talking dirty to kindergarteners.
McCain may feel compelled to go back to his guilt-by-association theme. And this has me feeling very guilty about my associates.
The McCain folks have been obsessed with William Ayers, a neighbor of Obama’s who is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Back in the 1960s, Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, were leaders of the Weather Underground, an antiwar group whose penchant for violence was exceeded only by its haplessness. Ayers has since become an education expert and was named Chicago’s Citizen of the Year in 1997. He gave Obama a house party when Obama was running for the State Senate.
In my experience, most State Senate hopefuls are so thrilled at any sign of interest that they would happily attend a reception given by a homeless couple in their cardboard box. But even though Obama was 8 years old at the time the Weathermen were in the news, that house party puts all their misdeeds on his platter. Sarah Palin has been telling her increasingly scary rallies that he is somebody “who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists.”
Fox News, in a one-hour special on Obama’s associates hosted by Sean Hannity, came up with an “Internet journalist” named Andy Martin who has spent his life running bizarre political campaigns with occasional detours into the clink and filing lawsuits laced with paranoia and anti-Semitism. Based on this expertise, Martin deduced that Ayers was the puppet master of Obama’s rise in politics and that Obama’s community-organizer gig was actually training for “a radical overthrow of the government.”
Before we go any further, I have a confession to make. When I was a college student, I believe I attended a party with Bernardine Dohrn. This was pre-Weather, when Dohrn was a leader of the Students for a Democratic Society, better known as S.D.S. Some of my friends wanted to meet her because they were interested in establishing an S.D.S. chapter at our campus. I was opposed, under the presumption that S.D.S. meant Students for Decent Styles, a group that had been active in fighting spaghetti-strap dresses at my high school.
Still, under the new rules, I believe I may now be held partly responsible for all of Dohrn’s misdeeds, including aggravated battery, bail jumping, the Days of Rage and unreadable political tracts.
McCain’s favorite supporter, Senator Joseph Lieberman, recently called the Obama-Ayers connection “fair game.” This reminded me that Lieberman once came to a party at my house. It was years ago, when he was still a Connecticut state senator, and we have already established that state senators will go to anything. Still, I can’t help but feel that I am not only a potential victim of the new guilt-by-association standard, I am also somewhat complicit in establishing it.
Obama’s retaliation for the Ayers assault has been to remind voters that many years ago McCain was censured in the Senate for his relationship with Charles Keating, the rogue banker whose failed Lincoln Savings and Loan cost the taxpayers $2.6 billion at a time when $2.6 billion was really worth something.
When I was a teenager, Keating came to my Catholic girls high school in Cincinnati in his capacity as the founder of Citizens for Decent Literature, an anti-pornography group. His theme was the evil of wearing shorts in the summertime.
Keating said he knew a young mother who took her child for a walk while wearing Bermuda shorts. A motorist, overwhelmed with lust at the sight of the back of her uncovered calves, lost control of his car and slammed into them. Everybody was killed, and it was all her fault. We were then asked to sign pledge cards promising to conform to standards of modesty that would have satisfied the Taliban.
True, none of this really proves that I was responsible for the banking scandals of the 1980s. But if Barack Obama is responsible for the Weather Underground, and if the mother in Bermuda shorts was responsible for the car crash, I am pretty sure that I am on the hook as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/opinion/09collins.html?em
A question for anti-tax Palin:
“Governor Palin, if paying taxes is not considered patriotic in your neighborhood, who is going to pay for the body armor that will protect your son in Iraq? Who is going to pay for the bailout you endorsed? If it isn’t from tax revenues, there are only two ways to pay for those big projects — printing more money or borrowing more money. Do you think borrowing money from China is more patriotic than raising it in taxes from Americans?” That is not putting America first. That is selling America first.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/opinion/08friedman.html?em
No one said it better than Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes: “I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization.”
Republics don’t like civilization.
bth-
Nice, but out of touch. I don;t think anyone has suggested that Obama is responsible for the Weather Underground. No matter how you slice it, Obama and Ayers are connected. Is is relevant, yeah probably. Is it worth all the hype? Probably not. Ayers may be a so called model citizen now, but has he ever been repentant about the WU and is activities? No. Does Obama hold to those beliefs? No, probably not. But you are known by the company you keep, and Obama keeps some crappy company. Ayers included.
lj – and I have ‘been associated’ with Paul Rossell and Karl Peterjohn. What does that mean?
From Mom:
But I think Obama is a smart politician and that is what infuriates McCain and fellow Republicans. Imagine ‘that one’ being able to outsmart them at their own game?
Yeah, they still haven’t gotten over how Bill Clinton beat them like a red-headed stepchild at every turn.
Dennis
Don;t know. Have they bombed anything? Have they “wished they had done more bombings?
All Park City residents and definitely ALL employees during the long years Dennis Rader was employed by that little city probably need to be burned at the stake! One of them may have hired him, all of them worked with him day after day, there were neighbors… Shameful! Yes, a mass burning at the stake! Will it be enough to end “THE ASSOCIATION?”
Don’t tell anyone that I went to school with him. Even shared a class dayafterdayafterday…
Grabbing at straws and it makes them look petty and worse.
Linda, BTK isn’t out in the free world teaching his ideology and helping people advance their political careers.
lj – I don’t know. I DO know, however, that I spent a lot of time in buildings that WU might have targeted in the 70s.
“All Park City residents and definitely ALL employees during the long years Dennis Rader was employed by that little city probably need to be burned at the stake! One of them may have hired him, all of them worked with him day after day, there were neighbors… Shameful! Yes, a mass burning at the stake! Will it be enough to end “THE ASSOCIATION?”
Don’t tell anyone that I went to school with him. Even shared a class dayafterdayafterday…”
Come one Linda, give me a break. It is not the same relationship and you know it. While there is little oil for this fire, drying to dilute it with water only spreads it around more.
And I do know the person who hired him. Personally. And I know that he still has a hard time believing it, and feels at least a little personal sense of remorse, in that he thinks he shoulda seen something amiss.
bth-
So? I miss the point.
He might be the next Hoover but I am really betting he is a muslim mole.
What is frightening is the obama zombies that believe anything he says.
“No one today has any idea how bad it was in America in 1932. Or the world, for that matter. The worldwide financial collapse paved the way for Hitler to rise to power in Germany and solidified Mussolini’s power in Italy, provided a model for imperial expansion in Japan and, while Stalin didn’t really need an economic crisis in the USSR, provided an incentive for a lot of his horrors.”
Same recipe potentially with Obama getting into office the result, and much inflicted pain on the U.S. and the world.
Nope, “Kandisue” –
What’s frightening is the prospect you believe everything you say.
MH – boynamedsue definitely has some funny ideas. All this time with the Jeremiah Wright stuff I thought Obama was a nutcase Christian.
Manchurian Candidate, or Muslim Mole, tough decision.
Phantom
Posted October 9, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink
Manchurian Candidate, or Muslim Mole, tough decision.
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Don’t care, I just don’t like his record.
Isnt the lady who ran the board that Ayers and Obama served on a McCain supporter?
YEP
TomPaine
Posted October 9, 2008 at 4:34 pm | Permalink
Isnt the lady who ran the board that Ayers and Obama served on a McCain supporter?
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Is she running for President?
“ANTI
Posted October 9, 2008 at 4:37 pm | Permalink
TomPaine
Posted October 9, 2008 at 4:34 pm | Permalink
Isnt the lady who ran the board that Ayers and Obama served on a McCain supporter?
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Is she running for President?”
No – but McCain is – and now he is associated with Ayers.
No – but McCain is – and now he is associated with Ayers.
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Not even close Ben.
Hasn’t in been the Republicans who used, and are still using fear, to erode the US Constitution? Forget about using that last resort, check against tyranny, the second amendment. To even seriously discuss it could bring charges of terrorism. Who took our nation to war on false pretenses, issued no bid contracts, without over sight, fails to ask Americans to pay the bill today, rather than passing one to later generations? I’m no fan of Obama, but I know what party was in control, that made it much easier for a future tyrant to to his/her will. That party was NOT the Democrats.
“Boxlock” –
A slow but steady lifting out of the Great Depression (the first one) was, by every historian’s assessment, boosted by FDR making America the Arsenal of Democracy.
Economics, as Thomas Carlyle called it in the 19th Century, is a “dismal science.”
The American economy most certainly recovered due, in part, to sending millions of otherwise working men overseas to die. The jobs they left were good, there was virtually nothing beyond necessities to buy, and the necessities were rationed.
Without World War II, the American economy might have probably recovered under New Deal policies by the end of the 40s or early 50s. And Hitler would have owned Europe and the Japanese would have owned Asia.
Albert Einstein said he could not predict how World War Three would be fought, but “…the Fourth World War will be fought with clubs and stones.”
There’s a lot more at stake now, on the abyss of the Greater Depression.
Poor ol’ John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) has been all over the board over the last two weeks. From declaring the American economy is fundamentally strong at 9 am and saying we’re facing the greatest economic crisis in American history at 11 am.
From a career of advocating deregulation of the economy to buying up individual mortgages, bailing out Wall Street CEOs, and socializing American banks.
From saying he wouldn’t “…take the low road to the highest office in the world,” to singing “Bomb Bomb Iran” and tacitly letting his advocates yell “Kill him!” about his fellow Senator.
From declaring his mission was “Country First” to deciding Bible Spice is the second-best qualified person on the planet to lead the free world.
In the greatest crisis of his life so far, McCoot admits “I broke.”
Here on the brink of a Greater Depression, the “greatest crisis of our generation” (McCodger’s words, not mine), people aren’t likely turning to a frail, volatile, septuagenarian to lead us out of this mess.
You CONs had a fine run with gay-bashing, 10 Commandments-posting, applying free market concepts to issues which transcend the profit motive. And the
lesbianchickens have come home to roost.The origins of todays financial meltdown”
The Reckoning
Taking Hard New Look at a Greenspan Legacy
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/business/economy/09greenspan.html?em
WOW Donald Duck and Walt Diseny Commies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMVpcbhpqw
LOL… Obama the Manchurian Candidate? Wouldn’t McCain be the most likely Manchurian Candidate risk, spending all those years in an enemy prison? I have to be certain morally ambiguous Christians have affected my life adversely more so than morally ambiguous Muslims have.
John McCain:
The Manchurian Candidate connection
http://www.usvetdsp.com/mar08/mccain_manchurian.htm
LJ,
Don’t worry, it’s being taken care of. Recently had a conversation with my son, who’s in a position to know (since he’s involved in the most immense internet publication of former state secrets in history); he says that in another 15-20yrs, the word “secret” will be obsolete and there will be no hope of anyone being able to successfully encode or hide information of any kind. Anyone who wants to know anything about anyone or anything will be able to find out- that’s why they call it “The Information Age.” The Dennis Raders will have no place to hide. Neither will the family china. Pretty scary.
McCain’s Communist mortgage-takeover plan:
“Many economists objected that McCain’s plan has no requirement that banks must take a loss during the refinancing of distressed mortgages. A plan passed earlier by Congress would allow these mortgages to be reworked and put into a government-backed mortgage only if the bank agrees to reduce the present-day value of the home. In many parts of the country like California and Florida, home values are well below the value of the existing mortgage.
Alan Blinder, a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve, said taking in mortgages at face value “seems wildly generous to the banks.” Blinder, a Princeton University economist, has proposed a plan not unlike McCain’s to “get in at the ground level” and address the root of what’s ailing the U.S. economy. But Blinder would not purchase loans at face value.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/254/story/53670.html
“Isnt the lady who ran the board that Ayers and Obama served on a McCain supporter?
mxyzptlk
Posted October 9, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
YEP”"
That’s funny as hell. Gad, what a weird world we live in.
Jed,
Yeah, it is. Scary I mean.
Everybody knows that Obama hussein was a community organizer but isn’t that what Hitler was as well?
Maybe they also have evil in common. Yes?
Let’s talk about what many people are really wondering: Does Obama have the ability to be the next Roosevelt?
The Hoover analogy ignores history. By most accounts, Herbert Hoover was a nice guy who, for ideological reasons would not and could not stop the tide of destruction.
Look, I don’t think any sane, well-informed person is hoping for a repeat of the New Deal per se, as it was a direct response to the Great Depression. We might have to go there, but happy days ain’t here again.
This is the 21st century, and the whole “repeating history” thing forgets that, even with the obvious parallels, history is always a new thing.
That’s what the whole “repeating history” thing is about. You want to avoid past mistakes. But that’s way different from living in the past.
What happens now, unfortunately, but maybe hopefully, is unchartered territory.
But maybe those four freedoms are worth a look.
Obama the next Hoover?
Phil . . . Bush is the next Hoover.
Duh.
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CapnAmerica
Posted October 9, 2008 at 6:59 pm | Permalink
Obama the next Hoover?
Phil . . . Bush is the next Hoover.
Duh.
Herbert Hoover was handed Coolidge’s mess in 1929. The analogy the towhhall.com people are making, apparently, is that McCain is Al Smith, and Hoover is Obama.
Given the party affiliations and economic philosophies, a more accurate parallel would be the election of 1988, where the party in power for 8 years insisted on another term despite troubling developments, and an uninspiring opponent said “Let’s look at the record.”
But history is a complicated thing, of course.
We already have a Hoover vacuuming all the funds out of the treasury and depositing them in the pockets of Wall Street CEO’s. The Hoover is Bush, and boy does he suck!
Kandipoo,
So community organizing is evil? And you base this on what? Please, grow a brain!