John McCain’s efforts to distance himself from President Bush appear to be making some progress, the Washington Post reported. Among independents, 54 percent now see him as offering a new direction. That’s up from 44 percent before the third presidential debate, when McCain declared that “I am not George Bush.” McCain has been airing a campaign commercial in which he looks into the camera and says, “The last eight years haven’t worked very well, have they?”
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Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time?
The Obama campaign keeps claiming McCain has voted with President Bush 95 percent of the time. Is this true? Is this significant?
A:
Yes on both counts. Yes it is true on the vote count , according to Congressional Quarterly’s assessment of McCain’s voting record.
Anyone with half of a brain knows that McCain has been counter to a lot of Bush policies and Republican practices.
If McCain is like anyone, a comparison could be made to Lieberman.
McCain Offers Tax Policies He Once Opposed
Reversal Includes New Support for Bush Cuts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/24/AR2008042403456.html
Sen. Burr Says McCain Would Continue Bush’s Failed Economic Policies
RALEIGH — Senator Richard Burr admitted in a conference call with reporters today that John McCain wants to continue President Bush’s tax policies, claiming that “the Bush tax policies that McCain wants to continue” have benefited North Carolina.In reality, the Bush economy has been a nightmare for North Carolina. Unemployment, child poverty and the number of North Carolinians who lack health insurance have all soared on President Bush’s watch.
John McCain and his campaign allies will clearly say anything to deflect attention from McCain’s promise to extend the flawed, out of touch Bush policies on everything from health care and social security to the mortgage crisis.
John McCain may not understand the economy, but America’s working families already understand that he is the wrong choice for our nation’s future.
FACT CHECK:
MCCAIN VOTED FOR NEARLY $10 TRILLION IN BUSH SPENDING
McCain Voted for 4 of 5 Bush Budgets Adding to $9.8 Trillion in Spending. McCain supported four of the five Bush budgets that the Senate voted on from 2001-2006.
- 2001: H. Con. Res. 83: $1.95 Trillion [2001 Senate Vote #98]
- 2002: McCain Voted to Table [2002 Senate Vote #134]
- 2003: McCain Voted No [H.Con.Res. 95; 2003 Senate Vote #134]
- 2004: S. Con. Res 95: $2.45 Trillion [2004 Senate Vote #58]
- 2005: H.Con.Res. 95: $2.6 Trillion [2005 Senate Vote #114]
- 2006: S.Con.Res. 83: $2.8 Trillion [2006 Senate Vote #74]
McCain is pushing this Bush fiasco:
http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0505orr.html
Face it staying in Iraq for another 50 years as McCain has suggested is not only what the Iraq people do not want it is fiscally irresponsible and certainly not fiscally conservative.
Daily spending on the illegal invasion and occupation is at $341.4 million dollars a day.
That kind of spending on americans could provide new industry thus jobs which is what the economy needs instead of bailouts. $341.4 million dollars a day could also afford the nation HR 676 National Health Insurance which also would make america attractive to new industry.
He talks about cutting spending by doing away with earmarks, but they only account for less than 1% of the the Iraq mess.
He brings nothing new to the table…pretty much the same Republican policies that haven’t worked for the past 8 years. It’s time for a new direction.
Wow did I mess up the previous post! Earmarks only account for 1% of the total budget! The best way to cut spending is to get out of the Irag mess. THAT’s what I meant to say!
It appears Mary, that Obama and McCain are concerned about earmarks. Care to retract your statement? :D
“On April 6, Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Barack Obama (D-Ill.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), and John McCain (R-Ariz.) introduced a stricter bill, named the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act (S.2590), which would require the Office of Management and Budget to create a searchable database of all government-appropriated funds and its’ recipients. Specifically, the database would include:
* The name of the entity receiving federal funds.
* The amount of any federal funds that the entity had received in each of the last 10 fiscal years.
* An itemized breakdown of each transaction, including funding agency, program source, and a description of the purpose of each funding action.
* The location of the entity and primary location of performance, including the city, state, congressional district, and country.
* A unique identifier for each such entity and parent entity, should the entity be owned by another entity.
* Any other relevant information. [11]
On July 27, 2006, the Senate Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs unanimously approved the bill. After it was stalled by unanimous holds for over a month, the bill passed by a voice vote on September 7, 2006. [12] Six days later, the House passed it as well. (See Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act)”
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Earmarks
Al Qaeda supports the candidacy of John McCain:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html?nav=hcmodule
“McCain trying hard to get away from Bush”
Heh,
He can’t.
It’s not surprising that near election time Republicans run away from their record. Once McCain bragged about voting with Bush more than his Republican peers in the belief that would get him more electoral support. When that didn’t work he know insists he is a maverick (because he says so) and opposed the Bush administration. Of course that’s just another McCain lie but Republicans need lies, otherwise they’d have to admit they are the party of failure.
Funny thing about Democrats criticising Bush. If you set aside Iraq and tax cuts and look at everything else he has supported or opposed he looks like any middle of the road Democrat of 10 years ago.
McCain’s oration skills at work:
Mr. McCain referenced Mr. Murtha’s comments in his third stop of the day, at Robert Morris University here, when he said, “I think you may have noticed that Senator Obama’s supporters have been saying some pretty nasty things about Western Pennsylvania lately.” As the crowd booed, Mr. McCain became tangled up in the rest of his remarks. “And you know, I couldn’t agree with them more,” he said, to silence, and then wandered around in a verbal thicket before finally managing to say, “I could not disagree with those critics more; this is a great part of America.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/us/politics/22pennsylvania.html?hp
Biden’s Out of Touch
Remember in the vice presidential debate when Sen. Joe Biden referenced a restaurant in Wilmington, Delaware named “Katie’s” that he likes to frequent with the other common men and women?
Here’s what Sen. Biden said:
“All you have to do is go down Union street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.”
Katie’s closed in the 1980s
Human Events – Newt Gingrich
Sure Heckler. Just set aside:
tax cuts
Iraq
erosion of civil liberties
Guantanimo
NSA spying on Americans
Official support of torture
undending war in the middle east
Heck, just like all democratic administrations.
nitwit.
“Funny thing about Democrats criticising Bush. If you set aside Iraq and tax cuts and look at everything else he has supported or opposed he looks like any middle of the road Democrat of 10 years ago.”
You mean there was some other Democrat removing habeus corpus, torturing prisoners, firing attorneys for refusing to file fraudulent charges against the other party, ignoring threats of terrorist attacks, conducting illegal wiretaps, having people arrested for merely being of Arabic ancestry, rolling back environmental protection, privatizing FEMA and being unresponsive to the destruction of New Orleans, Department of Homeland Security, setting up a special department to funnel taxpayer money to religious groups, threatening Iran with invasion, giving an unwanted backrub to the German chancellor, flubbing up the English language to the point of absurdity, revealing the identity of a CIA agent, appointing conservative judges to the Supreme Court, etc.?
Obama admits he is not ready or experienced enough to be President
Back in 2004, after being elected to the Illinois Senate, Barack Obama was asked why he had ruled out running on a national ticket in 2008. He responded by saying, “I am a firm believer in knowing what you’re doing when you apply for a job. And, I think that if I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket, I would essentially have to start now, before having served a day in the senate. Now there are some people who are comfortable doing that. I’m not one of those people.”
mccainspace.com
Don’t believe this? Watch the video where Obama admits this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLozS-TnM
Steven
Have your civil liberties been eroded? How so?
You call me a nitwit. Look in the mirror. I said set aside Iraq and tax cuts,(ignore that Hero Kennedy did the same thing). That pretty much wipes out your whole list.
You mean there was some other Democrat removing habeus corpus, torturing prisoners, firing attorneys for refusing to file fraudulent charges against the other party, ignoring threats of terrorist attacks, conducting illegal wiretaps, having people arrested for merely being of Arabic ancestry, rolling back environmental protection, privatizing FEMA and being unresponsive to the destruction of New Orleans, Department of Homeland Security, setting up a special department to funnel taxpayer money to religious groups, threatening Iran with invasion, giving an unwanted backrub to the German chancellor, flubbing up the English language to the point of absurdity, revealing the identity of a CIA agent, appointing conservative judges to the Supreme Court, etc.?
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The Clintons?
That was four years ago Regular (anti-Semite), a person can acquire experience in the meantime. Maybe you would have a point if he said that recently but by all means continue to let your desperation show. Your fascist bud McCain is going to lose in a landslide unless more voter machines can be rigged like in West Virginia.
“The Clintons?”
Evidence?
Maggott uses the “fascist” word. huhn huhn huh. Whats’s your definition?
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Maggotpunk
Posted October 22, 2008 at 7:47 am | Permalink
That was four years ago Regular (anti-Semite), a person can acquire experience in the meantime. Maybe you would have a point if he said that recently but by all means continue to let your desperation show. Your fascist bud McCain is going to lose in a landslide unless more voter machines can be rigged like in West Virginia.
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Awww Cuz, always with the racial slurs eh?
Senator Biden has also stated that Obama is not ready to be President.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lknTPvH1wSg
Heckler,
Well, unlike your Repubican definition that conveniently scrubs all reference to property ownership in order to dissociate itself from fascism, I would imagine it will have something to do with the private expropriation of public goods.
“Maggott uses the “fascist” word. huhn huhn huh. Whats’s your definition?”
The fact that McCain was on the board of a fascist organization dedicated to funding right wing death squads and overthrowing democratically elected governments.
http://www.sacbee.com/839/story/1293937.html
“Awww Cuz, always with the racial slurs eh?”
I never used a racial slur. Typical Regular, lying as always. Throw another couple of Jews in the oven lately?
The military is backing McCain.
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Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain
By Brendan McGarry – Staff writer
Posted : Thursday Oct 9, 2008 5:44:48 EDT
Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers, indicates, though career-oriented black service members strongly favored the Democratic Party candidate.
McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.
The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.
But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_poll_100508w/
Regular
Posted October 22, 2008 at 6:37 am | Permalink
“If McCain is like anyone, a comparison could be made to Lieberman.”
Did Lieberman sing like a songbird to the enemy in Viet Nam? Did Lieberman wet start his plane and cause 100 + American soldiers deaths? As much as I dislike Lieberman, please don’t compare him to the reckless gambler that is John McCain.
Maybe a lot of Obama supporters were among the over 4,100 Americans that McCain and Bush had murdered.
outlander,
You should read your own link, since the inference that “the military is backing McCain” doesn’t follow from what you posted. In particular, the piece offers the following caveat:
“The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.”
mxyzptlk, I’m sure McCain was bravely yucking it up with a reporter while his crewmates were being buried by the mess McCain started.
Do keep beating that drum, though, outlander: I can understand your need to seek solace at the moment when McCain’s candidacy is collapsing under the weight of Sarah Palin.
“Fifty-five percent of respondents say she’s not qualified to serve as president if the need arises, up five points from the previous poll.
In addition, for the first time, more voters have a negative opinion of her than a positive one. In the survey, 47 percent view her negatively, versus 38 percent who see her in a positive light.
That’s a striking shift since McCain chose Palin as his running mate in early September, when she held a 47 to 27 percent positive rating.
Now, Palin’s qualifications to be president rank as voters’ top concern about McCain’s candidacy — ahead of continuing President Bush’s policies, enacting economic policies that only benefit the rich and keeping too high of a troop presence in Iraq.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27297013/
Maggot
Your article said he resigned from the organization a couple of years after joining.
So, what kinds of Republican-led Election Day violence do folks expect to see in battleground states?
CF
” Repubican definition that conveniently scrubs all reference to property ownership in order to dissociate itself from fascism”
Elaborate please.
Your point Heckler? He happily joined the board of a fascist organization. Republicans make a fuss about Obama being a member of the Weather Underground when he was 8 (although he was never a member). However you are content with McCain, as an adult and senator, joining a fascist organization? Man, do you hate America as much or more than McCain?
The part of the Obama ad that I love is McCain telling us how he ahs voted WITH Bush more than many of his Republican opponents.
An interesting problem here – to some extent for both of them. In the primaries they must play to the ‘core’ while now they must try to play to the middle. That will tend to haunt both of them – in this case it seems to haunt McCain more.
Maggotpunk
Posted October 22, 2008 at 7:48 am | Permalink
“The Clintons?”
Evidence?
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Cattle Futures & Conflicts of Interest
WhiteWater
Travel office firings
Vince Foster
Origin of the name Hillary
Filegate
Troopergate
Monica Lewinsky
Impeachment
Sexual misconduct
Suspended law License
Campaign contributions
Pardons
Started “regime change” in Iraq
Lied about Iraqs WMD
Somalia
Destroyed habius corpus ( AEDP act of “96)
Obstructed Justice
on and on and on………
Worst
President
EVER.
I voted for Bush and proud of it. I would not want somebody else to fight the war on terrorism. My taxes were lowered and the country never had it so good. I sure don’t want Obama in there. I believe the best for America is John McCain at this time.
Biased1, you were referring to the list I mentioned. Where’s the evidence that the Clinton’s did the things that I accused the Bush regime of doing?
Oh yes, if only the major scandal of the Bush regime was a BJ. Please, you Rethuglicans are so utterly petty. Bush kills over a million Iraqis, created over 4 million refugees and had over 4,100 Americans murdered and you think a BJ is a major problem? No wonder nobody takes Republicans seriously on issues of morality.
The Clintons?
And you wonder how long the Republicans are going to whine and cry when Obama gets in office?
It would be interesting to see a year-by-year record of McCain’s support/nonsupport of Bush policies over the past 8 years. I may be wrong but it seems that he has conformed much more in recent years than he had before. Also it would be interesting to see that for pre-Bush and post-Bush.
McCain definitely had a maverick image going into 2000 – and he got crucified for it. Today – not so much.
Maggott
The article you linked made it sound like he didnt know what he was joining and when he figured it out he quit. But that’s just what your article said. I don’t know, never heard of the outfit.
Obama’s association with Ayers however has been long term and ongoing. You couple it with the other extreme leftist “hate America” types he hangs with and you have a person who has to hide who he is. Doesnt it hurt you to see him work so hard to run away from the kook fringe?
Heckler, that’s like someone has been working for the Sierra Club for two years before finding out that they are involved in environmental issues. Either McCain knew what he was doing or he was so utterly incompetent, clueless and ignorant that it took him two years to find out that he joined a fascist organization. Take your pick.
Regular
Posted October 22, 2008 at 6:37 am | Permalink
Anyone with half of a brain knows that McCain has been counter to a lot of Bush policies and Republican practices.
If McCain is like anyone, a comparison could be made to Lieberman.
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If McCain is so different than Bush then why he is willing to keep the US troops in Iraq for 100 years if that is what it takes (McCain’s own words).
Why is McCain singing his little bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran song if he isn’t willing to invade Iraq?
Why does McCain still keep Rick Davis on his campaign staff if he is against those that caused the Wall Street crisis – Rick Davis was paid millions from Fannie Mae.
Why does McCain praise Phil Gramm who pushed through legislation to get rid of the federal regulations in the banking industry?
But you are right about one thing – Lieberman and McCain are similar. They are both long-time politicians that know how to line their own pockets. And they are both older than dirt!
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CF2K
Posted October 22, 2008 at 8:12 am | Permalink
So, what kinds of Republican-led Election Day violence do folks expect to see in battleground states?
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Jeesh, what an incredibly divisive moronic comment. About what I expect from the ‘crat nutballs.
BTW, Heckler, your analogy would make sense if the board Obama was on was in the business of conducting terrorist attacks against America. The foundation Obama and Ayers were on was set up by a McCain endorser who put the two on the board.
As usual Republicans fail the facts as well as rational reasoning. But I suppose in your mind Obama was a member of the Weather Underground at age 8 and that excuses McCain’s participation in a fascist organization responsible for murdering thousands of people.
“Sen. Burr Says McCain Would Continue Bush’s Failed Economic Policies”
What specifically is “Bush’s failed Economic Policies”?
A: Tax Cuts
What has Bush’s failed Economic Policies caused?
A: Unemployment, child poverty and the number of North Carolinians who lack health insurance have all soared on President Bush’s watch.
So if Bush’s Failed Economic policies which are tax cuts have caused unemployment, child poverty, and no health insurance for many, what should be the plan to fix the economy>
A: Well DUH! Tax Hikes
A Tax Hike will bring all thos jobs back and eliminate child poverty and get the Dow moving into Bull market territory! That Obama sure knows how to fix this economy. Too Bad Bush had to ruin it with (gasp) tax cuts.
bth
Posted October 22, 2008 at 8:28 am | Permalink
It would be interesting to see a year-by-year record of McCain’s support/nonsupport of Bush policies over the past 8 years. I may be wrong but it seems that he has conformed much more in recent years than he had before. Also it would be interesting to see that for pre-Bush and post-Bush.
McCain definitely had a maverick image going into 2000 – and he got crucified for it. Today – not so much.
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I think McCain had to conform to the GOP powers-tob-be in order to get the nomination this time around. Back in 2000, McCain was crucified by Karl Rove’s attack machine and was justifiably upset by their tactics.
But in 2008, McCain is using those very same Rove attack tactics on Obama and thinks it is okay.
I think what we are seeing is that McCain wants the presidency so bad he will compromise his once-held integrity and is willing to throw it all away.
After all, the man is old and his health is in question and he knows this is his last chance at the presidency to show his father and grandfather he is a real leader.
As McCain, who voted with Bush 95% of the time, distances himself from Bush other Republicans are working to distance themselves from McCain and endorse Obama. Already we know of Gen. Powell endorsing Obama and now a Republican state senator of Wisconsin has moved into Obama’s camp.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/21/wisconsin-gop-official-de_n_136573.html
Not only are fellow Republicans moving away from McCain, so are the American people. The latest poll shows Obama gaining support from 53% of likely voters compared to 39% for McSame.
http://people-press.org/report/462/obamas-lead-widens
maggotjunk-
Oh yes, if only the major scandal of the Bush regime was a BJ. Please, you Rethuglicans are so utterly petty.
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That was only one of the 20 listed.
And that pretty much DESTROYS your list.
Never forget,
Bill Clinton used the FBI to probe private citizens.
Bill Clinton obstructed justice.
Bill Clinton destroyed habeus corpus
Bill Clinton first stated Saddam had WMDs
Bill Clinton started the war and regime change in Iraq.
Bill Clinton refused to get Osama three times.
Bill Clinton caused 9-11
and YOU want to call THAT a BJ?
I have had enough of this idiocy for today, probably for the season. The level of vitriol is going to undermine the country if we don’t all get a handle on it.
When an election decision is made, all Americans are going to be in the same boat. We share the benefits and the crap. If there is more crap than benefit we will have an opportunity to set it straight in a couple of years.
I’m out.
Nice Biased1, what a stretch of historical revisionism. Clinton caused 9/11? How paranoid are you? You are aware 9/11 happened in 2001 aren’t you? Thanks for eroding all credibility and I need not mention that George Bush the smarter is the one who first invaded Iraq. Thanks for proving your idiocy.
Maggott
This may pain you but I’ll say it anyway. If Obama ran for President as the Marxist style leftist that he really is he would be a footnote on this years campaign. He has to hide from what he is and the Ayers relationship just helps illustrate what an extremist he really is. Doesnt matter if Ayers hasnt been doing the terrorism thing. He’s still on the kook fringe and associating with the hate America fringe is not palatable to most Americans.
“Were gonna spread the wealth around”.
Obama isn’t a Marxist, thanks for joining the ranks of biased1 for utter incompetence. Face it, your buddy McCain is a mass murdering fascist. Are you all smiles when you think of all the sailors he murdered with his antics on the Forrestal? Or are you completely giddy with the rape, murder pillaging that the death squads did which McCain approved of? You have no standing to criticize anyone on issues of morality and despite your continued lies, Obama was never a member of the Weather Underground at age 8.
“biased1″ –
I gotta admire the resiliency of your ego.
After you strutted your arrogant ignorance with the “tow-the-line”/”toe-the-line” sneer-fest last night I figured you’d still be in a fetal position licking your, uhm, wounds.
Yeah, that’s it.
Wounds.
Leonore Annenberg appointed Ayers to the board of his foundation and endorsed McCain. So you are saying, in your own twisted reasoning, that McCain is a Marxist since he was endorsed by a Marxist? Who really knows what you are thinking Heckler, because your illogical reasoning is so unbelievably moronic.
Can you give any proof that Obama was a member of the Weather Underground? I already gave proof that McCain was a member of a fascist organization that slaughtered people. Can you present any facts or do you have to admit you are just another lying Republican who is cool with fascism and death squads?
You may not like Obama’s tax plan, but it’s not socialism
Favoring higher tax rates for the wealthy than for the less fortunate isn’t socialism, and if it is, then the U.S. has been a socialist country for nearly a century, under both Democrats and Republicans.
“The answer is clearly no, Senator Obama is not a socialist,” said Paul Beck, a professor of political science at The Ohio State University. “We’ve had a progressive tax system for some time, and both Republicans and Democrats have bought into it.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/54546.html
“Al Qaeda supports the candidacy of John McCain”
They also said that they want to attack America before the election to sway the election. If they are serious about wanting McCain elected, they will attack. If not, well then I guess their support for McCain is suspect.
Based on how poorly Al Qeada is doing in Iraq, it’s hard to believe that they want a presient who will continue to defeat them on their chosen battlefield.
Naturally Al Qaeda would support McCain, because there is nothing safer for a terrorist than have an incompetent Republican in office. McCain promised to catch Osama Bin Laden by Halloween. That’s Halloween of 2001 as he promised on the David Letterman Show. This is the same McCain who said he knows how to capture him. He’s either pro-terrorism or is just lying because he sat on the information for 7 years and did nothing.
Obama admits he is not ready or experienced enough to be President
Back in 2004, after being elected to the Illinois Senate, Barack Obama was asked why he had ruled out running on a national ticket in 2008. He responded by saying, “I am a firm believer in knowing what you’re doing when you apply for a job. And, I think that if I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket, I would essentially have to start now, before having served a day in the senate. Now there are some people who are comfortable doing that. I’m not one of those people.”
mccainspace.com
Maggott
Touch a nerve did I? I told you it would pain you.
If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck….it aint a pigeon.
I see the anti-Semite has to resort to spamming the board with the same post.
C’mon Heckler, you’ve basically admitted you are a liar. But that’s what I expect from a fascist sympathizer.
Maggot, what a hateful little man(?) you are….Do you wake up with stomach pains from all the hate inside you?
Maggotpink
Posted October 22, 2008 at 8:43 am | Permalink
Nice Biased1, what a stretch of historical revisionism. Clinton caused 9/11? How paranoid are you? You are aware 9/11 happened in 2001 aren’t you? Thanks for eroding all credibility and I need not mention that George Bush the smarter is the one who first invaded Iraq. Thanks for proving your idiocy.
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“historical revisionism?”
Is that what we call facts we refuse to acknowledge?
All of the 19 terrorist were let into this country and trained under Clintons watch. It was his foriegn policy of random sensless bombing that was a major contributor to the anti US sentiment in the region. He jacked around with the FBI and CIA destroying any communication they might have with each other in order to stop it. He refused to kill / capture osama THREE times.
It was HIS foriegn policies that eroded the relations with the middle east.
It was HIS bill as stated above that erroded habius corpus.
It was HIS bill that started regime change in Iraq.(Iraq liberation act of 1999)
(Thanks for proving your ignorance.)
*Maggot places both hands over his ears and squints his eyes tightly*
“Make the bad things go away mommy!”
nit.
Yes Anti, I hate fascists. Perhaps you don’t. That seems to be your problem, not mine.
Biased, so it’s your position that the first WTC bombing was because of Bush the smarter’s policies? You are completely ignorant because the terrorist attacks started in Feb. 1993 well before Clinton started engaging the terrorists. You are so utterly clueless that your own arguments prove you wrong.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 22, 2008 at 8:50 am | Permalink
“biased1? –
I gotta admire the resiliency of your ego.
After you strutted your arrogant ignorance with the “tow-the-line”/”toe-the-line” sneer-fest last night I figured you’d still be in a fetal position licking your, uhm, wounds.
Yeah, that’s it.
Wounds.
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And how was I “wounded?”
Maggot, be honest you hate everyone but your rag-tag gang of hooligan perverts.
Why not try having a nice warm cup of tea and enjoying the cool morning?
By the way, have you stuck will a job for any length of time lately?
Maggott
“you’ve basically admitted you are a liar”
Elaborate please. I’m curious to see how your mind is functioning today.
Biased1, I have to point out the blatant fact that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That only proves how out of touch you are.
Anti, I usually drink my tea in the evening.
Heckler, you’re a liar. Your failure to present evidence of your lies proves that. Wear a swastika and practice your marching. If you don’t have a swastika available just put on a McCain/Palin button, it’s close enough. You’re just bitter because I can back up my claims with facts, while all you have is lies. Sucks to be you doesn’t it?
Maggott
“Heckler, you’re a liar. Your failure to present evidence of your lies proves that.”
I said elaborate not spew. You’ve added nothing here. I’m looking for specifics of my “lies”. (realizing that the definition of the word lie has a fluid meaning to the kook fringe at WeBlog)
Mccain was against bush, before he was for bush, after which, he was again against bush!
the terrorist attacks started in Feb. 1993 well before Clinton started engaging the terrorists.
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– The 1993 World Trade Center bombing that killed 6 and injured 1,000
– The 1993 Mogadishu firefight that killed 18 U.S. soldiers
– The 1995 Oklahoma City terrorist attack on the federal building by American extremists that killed 168, wounding several hundred others
– The 1995 Saudi Arabia car bomb that killed 5 U.S. military personnel
– The 1996 Khobal Towers bombing that killed 19 U.S. soldiers, wounding 515
– The 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed 231 citizens, 12 Americans and injured 5,000
– The 2000 USS Cole attack in Yemen that killed 17 U.S. sailors, wounding 39
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so when DID Clinton START “engaging” terrorist?
“McCain trying hard to get away from Bush”
Heheheh> I think we need to see pictures of “the hug” published daily. Mcsame’s probably thinking “I wish I could quit you”.
And Pre, given how long they’ve been whining, I think we do indeed need more waaaaaaaambulance drivers.
Bill Clinton caused 9-11? WTF? The shark called…
And outlander shows he is completely clueless when he says we all share in the same benefits and the same crap.
Uh, no, dude. You and yours voted to amend the constitution to ensure me and mine would NOT share in the benefits of marriage, equal protection under the law, social security benefits, survivor benefits, and tax benefits of marriage.
I share in the same benefits? WTF color is the sky in your world. That was the whole point of inserting the no “benefits of marriage” crap in the hate amendment. Yeah. WE get the crap, you get the benefits. But in Jesusland, I guess that is how it is supposed to be?
nitwit and bigoted.
Jesus WEPT!
“kook fringe” = anyone who doesnt agree with heckie.
Thanks for proving you are a waste of time Heckler. Since you clearly can’t support your lies all I’ll hear is excuses from you.
Biased1, it was Bush who ordered the military into Somalia, not Clinton. The OKC bombing was done by an American Catholic, not a foreign terrorist. Try looking up a bit of history before going further into your rants trying to convince me how stupid you are. I’m supposing your response is the typical Reagan response of doing nothing. Thanks for showing me your response to criminal activity. Incompetent boob, but please, by all means, convince me further about how clueless you are.
Hee hee hee heeeeee.
I’m still laughing at the idea Bill Clinton caused the WTC to come down.
Geez, all you repukes have is Bill Clinton, Bill Ayers, flag pins, and mcsame isnt bushco.
How’s that workin’ for you all?
KFG
Top of the morning. You in a blizzard warning or are you to far east?
ksfarmgrrl, throughout the Bush regime every mistake Bush did the Republican response was “Clinton did it”. The exception being during the 2004 election when everything was Kerry’s fault and now everything is Obama’s fault. They need Obama to win so everything in the future can be Obama’s fault, like Obama caused 9/11 because his middle name is Hussein therefore he’s connected to Iraq which is responsible for 9/11 because they Iraqis have the same skin color as the terrorists.
Maggotpunk
Posted October 22, 2008 at 9:08 am | Permalink
Biased1, I have to point out the blatant fact that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That only proves how out of touch you are.
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There is nothing I have written above that would indicate I felt that way or that I was trying to say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11.
And to think YOU would point out that “blatant fact” only proves your level of reading comprehension is minimal at best.
public education?
you betchya!
Maggott
“Thanks for proving you are a waste of time Heckler. Since you clearly can’t support your lies all I’ll hear is excuses from you.”
All I asked for is for you to be specific about what I “lied” about today. But you can’t.
So you spew.
“Try looking up a bit of history before going further into your rants trying to convince me how stupid you are.”
I think biASSED has done a great job convincing us, so he can stop with the ignorant posts.
We’re convinced. Your work here is done.
Unless he/she wants to show his/her ass again like yesterday with the “tow” the line gaff?
Biased, your position was that Clinton supported 8 million in funding for pro-democratic Iraqi resistance in Iraq and that lead to 9/11. Somehow in the depths of your twisted reasoning this works. If your point wasn’t to show how Clinton was responsible for 9/11 but you were just amazed that you are able to type words onto a screen then I get your point. There’s no point in taking you seriously anymore, you’ve proven how desperate you are in such leaps of historical revisionism. Put on a McCain button, kick a puppy, then practice your goosestepping for the next Palin rally.
“All I asked for is for you to be specific about what I “lied” about today. But you can’t.”
I’ve mentioned it twice already but you are too stupid to figure it out so I’ll mention it again, show me the evidence that Obama, at age 8, was a member of the Weather Underground. Just show the evidence that shows this Ayers, Obama terrorist connection you and your fellow fascist sympathizers keep on whining about.
“You’re just bitter because I can back up my claims with facts, while all you have is lies. Sucks to be you doesn’t it?”
Heheheheh. They just hate that the truth has a “librul” bias.
OMG, and RFL says that if we dont get attacked before the election, it proves the terrorists didnt really support mcsame?
heh. heheh. HEHEHEH. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAH. HEE HEE HEEEEEEEE…
He must have been up all night thinking THAT crap up!
Unless he/she wants to show his/her ass again like yesterday with the “tow” the line gaff?
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That didn’t show MY ass honey….
hehehehehehe
ksfarmgrrl, it’s always a surprise to see what crazy conspiracy theory they’ll come up with next. I’ll have to invest in tin foil as sales of that will go up after Obama is elected.
Maggotpink
Posted October 22, 2008 at 9:24 am | Permalink
Biased, your position was that Clinton supported 8 million in funding for pro-democratic Iraqi resistance in Iraq and that lead to 9/11
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My position was NEVER Clintons support for a “pro-democratic Iraq”
My position was as STATED.
Maggot, you invest in tin foil, I’ll invest in lead.
Tracy is right about you wingnuts when he says “pitiful. Just pitiful.”
All they have left in the bottom of their wingnut lie barrel is that Clinton caused the WTC to come down, obama is a muslim terrorist who hates america, deficits are good, and we need endless war to support the contractors.
You are right MP. It must SUCK to be them. And it’s gonna SUCK more after the election.
Elections have consequenses according to mcsame.
Bring it on. Like I said, payback is a bitch.
But of course, AFTER their humiliating defeat in two weeks, they will whine about pulling together, bipartisanship, and doing what is right for the country.
I’ll file that under “too little, too late”
You maroons shoulda thought of that sooner. Like BEFORE your guys got tossed out on their asses.
But hey, dont worry. You’re still safe from gay marriage, even as the nation falls down around your ears.
We know what’s important to you.
What’s next? Ayers brought down the twin towers?
“I’ll have to invest in tin foil as sales of that will go up after Obama is elected.”
Ok MP. I’ll invest in hemlock and encourage them to use it.
For the good of the country, ya know?
ANTI
Posted October 22, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink
Maggot, you invest in tin foil, I’ll invest in lead.
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Drinking water and batteries wouldn’t be a bad idea either…..
“My position was NEVER Clintons support for a “pro-democratic Iraq””
Then why did you reference Clinton passing Iraq liberation act of 1999? Why bother referencing something when you don’t even know what it is about? Is your entire argument just some crap you blindly pulled off some anti-Clinton website? Yup, keep up the appearance of being a moron, because there might be one of two people who still aren’t convinced.
BiASSED was pwned on that “tow” the line gaff yesterday. Maybe I should post a link for those who missed his/her humiliation, and would enjoy the same.
I know deep in my heart, that after the election all these whining repubs will come around and support their duly elected president Obama.
“Maggot, you invest in tin foil, I’ll invest in lead.”
They do make good sinkers, but where are the good fishing spots in town?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 21, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
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ANTI
Posted October 21, 2008 at 1:48 pm | Permalink
KFG, how’s your feathered peckers’?”
heheheh. HAHAHAHAHA good one!
They’re fine.
And yours?
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KFG, if your out there, sorry I missed your response. My ‘peckers’ are downed! Got 10 chicks the other day! Keeping them in the garage until the are grown enough to put in the coop.
It is relaxing to go and sit in the garage and listen to the little fellas cheep cheep.
“I know deep in my heart, that after the election all these whining repubs will come around and support their duly elected president Obama.”
Using RFL’s logic, if there IS a god? They’ll be so marginalized that they wont come out of their caves for another decade or so.
Marginalized like todd, roberts, and the whole hee haw kansas gang! Todd and patsy will be cleaning the restrooms and mopping the floors in the next congress.
And kansas guys like the repukes here will STILL have a man crush on ‘em….
Independent analysis shows that McCain’s tax plan of cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations will result in an additional 5.1 TRILLION dollars of debt over his administration.
Sounds IDENTICAL to Bush in terms of total fiscal irresponsibility to me.
Say bye bye to the middle class, hello poverty for more and more and more and more Americans under further Republican ideas.
Maggott
Now you are going to make a liar of yourself Mag!
I NEVER claimed that Obama was a member of the Weather Underground.
I NEVER claimed that the Ayers,Obama connection had ANYTHING to do with terrorism.
You have so much crap twisting around in your brain you can’t keep anything straight.
DO NOT assign the words of others to me.
I shudder at the thought of what a boiling pot of stew your brain must be.
They do make good sinkers, but where are the good fishing spots in town?
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What do you want to catch?
“I know deep in my heart, that after the election all these whining repubs will come around and support their duly elected president Obama.”
After eight years of demanding Democrats be patriotic and support our Commander in Chief (even though he’s merely the Commander of the military) I doubt they’ll be consistent with Obama as Prez. Already at Palin rallies they are calling for his assassination.
“It is relaxing to go and sit in the garage and listen to the little fellas cheep cheep.”
Heheheh. And it relaxes me to make scrambled eggs and chicken soup, too!
Maggotpink-
Then why did you reference Clinton passing Iraq liberation act of 1999? Why bother referencing something when you don’t even know what it is about?
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Operation “Desert Fox”, look it up.
Heheheh. And it relaxes me to make scrambled eggs and chicken soup, too!
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I will have to wait a while for both!
“I NEVER claimed that Obama was a member of the Weather Underground.
I NEVER claimed that the Ayers,Obama connection had ANYTHING to do with terrorism.
You have so much crap twisting around in your brain you can’t keep anything straight.”
Oh, so your entire “controversy” is that they served on a board together working on a project to improve education in Chicago? Is that all it takes to rile Republicans these days? Naturally a professor at the Department of Education at the University of Chicago, and a prominent politician in Chicago might end up working together on education issues. Why is this a problem then? For some reason Republicans keep on mentioning Ayers is a terrorist. I suppose to a Republican a good education is terrorism since students might learn enough about history and economics and become Democrats.
Operation “Desert Fox”? That was done in 1998, the Iraq liberation act of 1999 was clearly done in 1999. Did you have a point? Oh yes, to convince me that you don’t know what you are talking about. Mission Accomplished, and not in the Bush use of the phrase.
I fully expected a chorus of “Whoever gets elected he’ll be my president, and CIC, and I’ll support him” (the silence is deafening)!
“Favoring higher tax rates for the wealthy than for the less fortunate isn’t socialism”
Ben is wrong. Redisribution of wealth is socialism. Ben is just uncomfortable admitting the fact that Obama is a socialist.
Ben believes that the wealthy are recipients of too much wealth in comparison to what it is that they deserve. Cosmic justice requires that the goverment take from this class of people who have earned too much and give it to the people who are the least skilled, least educated, least productive.
A similar view in education would be to take an A from a 4.0 student and give it to a D student (and vise versa) so that everyone passes. Would this act encourage more students to study hard to earn A’s?
NO!
Furthermore, your earnings are not really yours if the government can stipulate that you have no right ot keep those earnings just because you made too much already.
Forced redistribution of wealth eliminates the concept of private property. It is also a historical failure no matter how good it sounds.
Give one historical evidence of a government which has raised taxes for the wealthy under the auspices of helping the poor with the result that the poor have been better off as a result.
There are no examples. It is just another liberal experiment that fails every time it is tried.
so·cial·ism
Date: 1837
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Here’s where biASSED showed her/his ugly ass yesterday on the open thread.
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biased1
Posted October 21, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink
ksfarmgrrlicker
Posted October 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
“It is great to toe the party line but on election day, I hope you consciences step in and make you think”
As if…
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Is it OK if I tow the party line?
or tell me how I “toe” it.
“writer” eh?
public education?
you betchya!
heheheheheh
You really need to go there and read the multitude of responses and links that proved, once and for all, that biASSED doesnt know her/his butt from a hole in the ground.
But it is nice to know I can push her/him into such a froth over something so trivial…
Like I said. Pwned.
Yes, Biased is a waste of time. Clinton caused 9/11? Puuuuleeeeeze! Shelves must be cleared of tin foil these days.
There is some truth to the more educated supporting Obama. The Republicans have purposely driven intellectuals from the party. For example, the siding against global warming like it’s a political issue when scientists are overwhelmingly concerned.
The Republicans USED to stand for new ideas. They were the party of change and progress and knowledge. Now, if you have a brain, an education and can think on your own, you don’t fit. BTW, I don’t believe you have to have an education to be intelligent and intellectually capable. The two just statistically go hand in hand.
Now if you are Republican you have to let a drug addict, Rush Limbaugh, a pervert, O’Reilly, or an absolute idiot, Shawn Hannity, do your thinking for you.
And don’t for a second, offer up a causal relationship, facts and evidence to support a belief. How dare you question the powers that be, you are unamerican.
So, as the Republican party shrinks and the democaratic party grows, it looks to me like the Republicans will be left with undereducated white males and evangelical Christians as their base. Not good for the future of the party when your base isn’t too smart and doesn’t understand the importance of the separation of church and state.
Liar; definition of the day(as best I can determine based on Maggotts irrational spew)
Stating an opinion that makes Maggott feal bad about Obama being a Marxist.
neocon
“the siding against global warming like it’s a political issue when scientists are overwhelmingly concerned.”
not so much these days
Maggotpink
Posted October 22, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink
Operation “Desert Fox”? That was done in 1998, the Iraq liberation act of 1999 was clearly done in 1999. Did you have a point? Oh yes, to convince me that you don’t know what you are talking about. Mission Accomplished, and not in the Bush use of the phrase.
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revisionist much?
To weaken Saddam Hussein’s grip of power, Clinton signed H.R. 4655 into law on October 31, 1998, which instituted a policy of “regime change” against Iraq, though it explicitly stated it did not speak to the use of American military forces.[60][61] The administration then launched a four-day bombing campaign named Operation Desert Fox, lasting from December 16 to December 19, 1998.
oops!
ksfartgrrl-
You really need to go there and read the multitude of responses and links that proved, once and for all, that biASSED doesnt know her/his butt from a hole in the ground.
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“multitude of responses” = 3-1/2 hrs of nic-switching and slamming google it was….
wait for it…
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HILARIOUS!
hehehehehe
“There is some truth to the more educated supporting Obama”
-neocon
Heheh…
I saw a sign at a Democratic party voter registration booth by WSU. It said “Felons can Vote”.
ACORN is doling out hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to get poor (ie uneducated) people registered. why is this? they are dupes for the Democratic party. Without their naive ill informed vote, this race is not even close.
Karl Marx was an intellectual. He was wrong too.
McCain Is Cooked
By Chris Suellentrop
Election Day is in two weeks. Or is the campaign already over? “At this point it would be difficult to see Republican losses in the Senate and House to be fewer than seven and 20 respectively,” Charlie Cook writes in his National Journal column. “A very challenging situation going into September turned into a meltdown last month, the most dire predictions for the G.O.P. early on became the most likely outcome. The metrics of this election argue strongly that this campaign is over, it’s only the memory of many an election that seemed over but wasn’t that is keeping us from closing the book mentally on this one.”
Heckler,
“” Repubican definition that conveniently scrubs all reference to property ownership in order to dissociate itself from fascism”
Elaborate please.”
In answer to your question regarding fascism, here’s an answer I gave Joe Williams back in 2006 on another thread:
“A system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of the opposition (unions, other, especially leftist, parties, minority groups, etc), the retention of private ownership of the means of production under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism and racism, glorification of war, etc.”
At a minimum, fascism protects the property of the economic elite, as in the German and Italian favor extended to heavy industry and manufacturing. But I also think that the above definition conceals the extent to which capitalist enterprises and their growth actually mandate the expansionism of fascist states. And it definitely is worth noting, Heckler, the extent to which specific German corporations (Siemens, BMW) were both the drivers and beneficiaries of Nazi economic policy.
Thus, I don’t define capitalism as a middle way between communism and fascism. Rather, I define fascism as the logical extreme of capitalism, just as communism would be the logical extreme of socialism.
RFL,
“ACORN is doling out hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to get poor (ie uneducated) people registered. why is this? they are dupes for the Democratic party. Without their naive ill informed vote, this race is not even close.”
That’s some noxious elitism. Look down your noses at non-rich people much, RFL?
Why do you hate democracy, RFL? Is it because all of the “wrong kinds” of people get to vote?
Biased, you are right. When Clinton was President in the 80s he invaded Iraq and occupied part of the nation. Clinton drew up the policies that Iraq would agree to when Clinton was head of the UN which stated that Hussein must eliminate his stockpile of WMD and allow UN weapons inspectors. Yup, he did all of this. And the legislation that he passed calling for funding of Iraqi opposition groups was secretly passed in a time machine which gave Clinton the authority to bomb Iraq and all legislation in America is binding on Britain as well. Clinton’s clone, who was in Somalia setting up terrorist training camps was bombed by Clinton. Clinton’s clone found a receptive audience in Somalia after Clinton, during his first term in office starting in 1988, sent soldiers into Somalia for Operation Restore Hope in 1992, right before Clinton was to start his second term. Clinton’s clone then went to Afghanistan and convinced a bunch of Iraqis, who were upset about Clinton’s invasion of Iraq in the 80s, to pretend to be Saudis. Clinton invited them to America to train to be pilots. But, under Clinton’s orders, they were to wait until Clinton started his fourth term in office to attack on 9/11. Clinton would then give intelligence information warning the other Clinton clone, which he called Bush, to read. The intelligence report, titled, “Bill Clinton’s clone determined to attack in the United States and it’s all Clinton’s fault” was ignored as Clinton’s clone had brush to clear.
You’re right biased1, I had the history all wrong. Thanks for clearing that all up and informing me that if a President clones himself, he can have up to four terms in office.
CF
“the retention of private ownership of the means of production under centralized governmental control,”
I agree. That is the core principle of economic Fascism.
Economically we are becoming more and more Fascist. The talk of the government taking partial ownership in some of the financial institutions that we are bailing out.
I find it somewhat amusing when I hear people call the U.S. fascist because private business has to much influence over government. Just Dang! They wouldnt be involved in government if they werent being so heavily regulated!
It’s almost a silly arguement because you can arrive at that state of government from 2 directly opposite directions. And it could have many different forms, but they really only vary in degree of how much control the government holds over business.
We are in partial agreement.
Why do you hate democracy, RFL? Is it because all of the “wrong kinds” of people get to vote?
-CF2K
this strawman argument does not need to be dignified with a response.
Maggotpink-
You’re right biased1, I had the history all wrong.
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and still do apparently.
I think that cute little rambling has as many facts in it as the “revisionist” history you actually believe.
neocon
Posted October 22, 2008 at 9:53 am | Permalink
There is some truth to the more educated supporting Obama. The Republicans have purposely driven intellectuals from the party.
For example – look at what happened to Christopher Buckey:
http://www.kansas.com/205/story/568729.html
KATHLEEN PARKER: WHY DID BUCKLEY ENDORSE OBAMA?
Christopher Buckley’s endorsement of Barack Obama — followed by his abrupt departure from the back page of the magazine his father founded, National Review — has caused a ripple of contempt from the conservative right.
Nay, make that a tsunami of hostility. An avalanche of venom. A cataclysm of — well, you get the idea. People are mad. Good riddance, they say, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
What gives here?
What does it mean that the right cannot politely entertain dissenting opinions within its ranks? What, if anything, does it portend that Buckley the Younger has bolted from the right, even resigning from the family flagship?
RFL,
Good decision not to defend yourself. After all, “dupes, naive. ill-informed” were all YOUR words, RFL.
Sounds like my arrow hit its mark.
biased, it’s your position that Clinton sent American soldiers into Somalia before he became President. Tell me again how I have the facts wrong, oh, and tell me again that Clinton was responsible for 9/11. Everyone could use a laugh.
Maggottwist-
biased, it’s your position that Clinton sent American soldiers into Somalia before he became President.
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Consider the Somalia fiasco. In December 1992 president Bush Sr launched a UN-backed humanitarian rescue of Somalia from famine. Clinton inherited this mission. When faced with anarchy, and sabotage of the mission by warlords who were killing UN peacekeepers, Clinton decided to hunt down the principal culprit, Mohammad Aidid. Yet Clinton committed insufficient armed forces to the operation. When Aidid fought back, killing 18 Americans and dozens of other UN soldiers, Clinton decided to cut and run – reaping dreadful consequences.
learn to use the google.
Biased, you are the one who made the lame argument that Clinton sent the military into Somalia. I’m not the one who needs to check my facts because I already knew it was Bush who sent them in and stuck Clinton with carrying out the mission. Like a typical Republican you can’t admit you were wrong but just cover it up with telling another lie.
Maggotlie-
Biased, you are the one who made the lame argument that Clinton sent the military into Somalia.
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Holy crap, you can’t follow a simple post.
you just make $hit up? or are you really THAT f’n ignorant?
Jesus Wept.
Maggott
You are doing it again.
I’ve been reading you tit/tat with biased. Amazing.
You just routinely take what others say and twist it into what you want it to mean or into what you think you can argue against. But you’re going way beyond building straw men.
Utterly amazing. How do you even keep track of your own thoughts?
I’ve seen Monkey(boy), KFG, XXX and a few others do this but you son are taking it to a new level.
I don’t know how biased is even following you.
If you don’t get help at Charter please get help somewhere.
“Holy crap, you can’t follow a simple post.
you just make $hit up? or are you really THAT f’n ignorant?
Jesus Wept.”
I know, you tell so much crap you can’t keep it straight. Go back to your post at 8:18, you blamed Clinton for Somalia. Don’t get upset because you set yourself up so easily.
Oh Heckler, there you go again telling lies. It’s like Republicans are on some switch that compels them to tell nothing but lies. Maybe not, maybe it is just you. Got those facts that Obama was a member of the Weather Underground yet?
Maggott
Show me where I said “that Obama was a member of the Weather Underground” .
Can’t do it can you. Intellectual coward.
You just make more schitt up.
Maggot is like Chas on speed!
or BlueJay on speed! Either works.
Heckler, you were the one saying there was some controversy about Obama knowing Ayers. Where’s the controversy? Is it a controversy for Obama to serve on a board with a professor? What got your panties in a wad?
Good decision not to defend yourself. After all, “dupes, naive. ill-informed” were all YOUR words, RFL
-CF2K
Where do I say that “dupes, naive, ill-informed voters should not have the right to vote? I did not.
Simply pointing out that the tipping point in favor of the Democratic party does not come from educated voters but from the lower income neighborhoods who are promised more dole outs if they vote for Democrat.
Thus perpetually keeping them dependent on the government ensuring that they will always be poor.
With the election of bush, the repubs started the purge of intellectuals. If you need more proof, just look at their representatives posting on Weblog.
Maggott
Here is what I said. You obviously lost track.
“Obama’s association with Ayers however has been long term and ongoing. You couple it with the other extreme leftist “hate America” types he hangs with and you have a person who has to hide who he is. Doesnt it hurt you to see him work so hard to run away from the kook fringe?”
See anything about “Weather Underground” in there?
See anything about “terrorists” in there?
no.
Unless of course you’ve been cooking meth in the house. OPEN THE WINDOWS DUDE!! Get those fumes out.
Being an English professor qualifies someone as being a member of the “kook fringe”? You must have did poorly in school if you think educators are members of some invisible “hate America” crowd. You just hate educated people, that must be it.
Being an English professor qualifies someone as being a member of the “kook fringe”? You must have did poorly in school if you think educators are members of some invisible “hate America” crowd. You just hate educated people, that must be it.
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Bombing your own country=KOOK FRINDGE
Moron.
Extra ‘D’
“Bombing your own country=KOOK FRINDGE
Moron.”
No, Heckler said Ayers isn’t a terrorist or a member of the Weather Underground.
Yeah, open the windows…maybe turn on a fan Maggot.
Maggott
Your doing it again making schitt up in your own mind and attributing it to me.
I can defend the things I say. I can’t defend against schitt you make up in you mind.
So Anti, you are saying Obama was a member of the Weather Underground when he was 8? Do you have any proof of that? Heckler says Obama and Ayers have a long standing association, so I’m just wondering if you can actually show that Obama was associated with Ayers time with the Weather Underground. Why the delay?
Heckler, why do you hate educated people and think they are anti-American? Does your lack of an education make you pro-American? Why is that?
So Anti, you are saying Obama was a member of the Weather Underground when he was 8?
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I am not saying that.
Bipolar dyslexic multiple personality disorder?
“Heckler” –
Am I to infer you actually speak and understand fluent “baised1?”
It too often reads like elementary Esperanto mixed with a smattering of gibberish and chased with a half-shot of Sterno.
So please translate this:
“biased1″
Posted October 22, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink
ksfartgrrl-
“multitude of responses” = 3-1/2 hrs of nic-switching and slamming google it was….
wait for it…
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HILARIOUS!
hehehehehe
All I’m saying is, “Huh?”
“I am not saying that.”
What are you saying? If there’s an association with Obama and a terrorist then why can’t Republicans actually present their case? It would be easy to do unless you are lying.
I bet Heckler can hold down a decent job. How about you Maggot?
Maggott
I really do want to know. What purpose is served by making stuff up the way you do? Does it give you some kind of satisfaction winning arguments against a boogie man in you other brain?
Need to change the subject Anti? I guess that just proved you were lying all along.
Why did Obama blurb his book?
Need to change the subject Heckler? I guess that just proved you were lying all along.
I guess that just proved you were lying all along.
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Uh, lying about what?
Can’t we all just get along? LOL
I guess that just proved you were lying all along.
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Uh, lying about what? And being the ‘intellectual’ you are, why is it so hard for you to maintain a decent job?
From “ANTI’s” Unabashed Dictionary –
“Bombing your own country=KOOK FRINDGE
So you admit those darlings of illegal-abortion advocates Eric Rudolph and Shelly Shannon are “KOOK FRINDGE?”
Now define “frindge.”
Anti, how have I managed to lose my job? Oh wait, you are probably telling one of your imaginary tales like Obama being a member of the Weather Underground.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 22, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink
From “ANTI’s” Unabashed Dictionary –
“Bombing your own country=KOOK FRINDGE
So you admit those darlings of illegal-abortion advocates Eric Rudolph and Shelly Shannon are “KOOK FRINDGE?”
Now define “frindge.”
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ANTI
Posted October 22, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink
Extra ‘D’
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Typo & corrected, jackass.
DavosRancheros
Maggott’s just playing rope-a-dope with his other brain.
Heckler, you still haven’t explained why you think educated people are anti-American.
Maggotpunk
Posted October 22, 2008 at 11:56 am | Permalink
Anti, how have I managed to lose my job? Oh wait, you are probably telling one of your imaginary tales like Obama being a member of the Weather Underground.
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Your tales, from your website, describing yourself.
Were you lying?
I have a job Anti, is your evidence that I don’t have one in the same file you keep the evidence that Obama was a member of the Weather Underground?
Maggott
“Heckler, you still haven’t explained why you think educated people are anti-American.”
Heehhee! Mind boggling!
I said nothing even remotely like that. You made it up. Ask your other brain.
Are you for real?
Someones scamming Maggotts nic. He can’t be that hosed up.
You had me going whoever you are.
Heckler, you said Ayers, a professor at the University of Chicago is anti-American. Do you have some other reason for calling him that? After all, you said Obama hangs out with anti-American types and is anti-American. Obama is well educated and hangs out with other well educated people. Somehow you think his association with educated people is some sort of controversy. Why do you hate educated people?
Heckler,
Maggotpunk can’t actually engage in a real argument so he has to use the strawman.
I have pointed out his logical fallacies in the past, it appears as if he still doesn’t understand logic that much.
Nathan, you’re a young earth creationist, it’s understandable you hate educated people so I won’t even bother asking you why.
Nathan
Are you scamming Maggotts nic?
RFL,
“Where do I say that “dupes, naive, ill-informed voters should not have the right to vote? I did not.”
Pointing out the hatred for democracy embodied in your expressed sentiments, RFL, is in no way the same as imputing to you the view that democracy should be abolished.
You accuse me of committing a Straw Man–which I did not–and then respond by tossing out a Red Herring. Your ineptitude in arguments is exceeded only by your hypocrisy.
Maggotpunk,
If you are calling yourself an example of an “educated” person then I don’t hate you, I pity you.
I have seen Junior High students with more ability to have a logical argument than you.
Nathan, you think the universe is 10,000 years old. You have no basis on which to criticize anyone for having an education.
Maggotpunk,
And what is amazing, for as much disdain as you have towards me for my “education”, you can’t even hold up against me in a logical discussion.
Doesn’t say much about you.
And Nathaniel declared Sarah Palin is ready to be Commander and Chief.
Conservative thinkers have said:
“But even some conservatives are concerned, including syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker who said ‘Palin is clearly out of her league’ and called for the Alaska governor to leave the race.”
“[McCain's] opportunistic and irresponsible choice of Sarah Palin as his political heir — the person in whose hands he would leave the country — is a form of personal treason, a betrayal of all he once stood for. Palin, no matter what her other attributes, is shockingly unprepared to become president.”
– Washington Post, Richard Cohen
The maggotschuffle. A debate tactic in which you make schitte up, assign it to your debate opponent as THEIR stated opinion and then call them a liar when they refuse to back up the lie.(which you created on their behalf)
A high order tactic requiring supreme intellect to pull off and still retain ones credibility.
DavidB,
So what?
I can quote Conservatives who all think Palin is ready.
275 Gitmo detainees. Seven years One trial. Scores of releases of those found guiltless. And Bush dumps this Gulag trashon the next President to clean up. Priceless.
“Last week we told you about Darrel J. Vandeveld, a former Gitmo prosecutor who, amid a crisis of conscience, resigned from both the military commissions and active military duty.”
“The U.S. dropped charges against five detainees after a prosecutor for another detainee resigned, alleging the military was suppressing evidence favorable to defense attorneys.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/21/terror/main4535798.shtml
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/10/22/prosecutors-resignation-could-put-gitmo-cases-in-hands-of-next-prez/
Nathan,
Way to miss the point there, dude. Was it accidental or by design?
DavidB,
You must have forgotten about those released only to rejoin the fight against American forces:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160036,00.html
Among the names listed in the memo is Mohammed Yusif Yaqeb (search), also known as Mullah Shazada. Yaqeb was released in May 2003. He proceeded to become the head of Taliban (search) operations in southern Afghanistan and was killed one year later in a fight with U.S. forces.
Also named is Maulavi Abdul Ghaffar (search), released in 2002 and returned to Afghanistan. As a regional commander, Ghaffar helped carry out attacks on U.S. troops in Afghanistan until he was killed by Afghan forces in September 2004.
One of the more notable cases involved Mohammed Ismail (search), one of two teens held at Gitmo until he was let go last year. He was recaptured four months later fighting American troops in Afghanistan. The memo notes that at the time of his capture Ismail was carrying a letter “confirming his status as a Taliban member in good standing.”
Maggotpink- Go back to your post at 8:18, you blamed Clinton for Somalia.
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The Defeat of Task Force Ranger
On the afternoon of October 3, 1993, a U.S. force took off by helicopter to capture Aideed. Major General Jim Garrison, the U.S. Army commander in Somalia, had asked for Abrams tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles to bolster the strength of his fighting forces, but was turned down by Les Aspin’s Pentagon. The raiding force — composed of Army Rangers and Delta Force operators — was some of the best we have. A rocket-propelled grenade brought down a Black Hawk helicopter, setting in motion a battle in the streets of Mogadishu that raged through that night and most of the next day. The fight dragged on because Garrison had no tanks or heavy vehicles that could penetrate blocked streets and incessant fire where the helicopter had gone down. Paki-stani and Malaysian troops — who had tanks and armored vehicles — took hours to decide if they would brave the streets of Mogadishu to rescue the trapped Americans.
Eighteen Americans died in the battle and dozens were wounded. Television footage showed a howling mob dragging the body of a dead American soldier through the streets. Two days later, Clinton announced a reinforcement of the Somalia deployment, this time — he said — under American command. He didn’t even know the original force had been under Garrison’s command. Shortly thereafter, Clinton announced that American troops would withdraw from Somalia by March 1994.
Clinton taught terrorists exactly the wrong lesson at Mogadishu, and his feckless policies repeated it, again and again.
Jed Babbin
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Take note of the date dip.
CF2K,
If you think I missed the point, perhaps you should let me in on what it was. (Since I missed it)
So what? One side is very wrong. I pray America does not get a chance to find out which one is right.
Average Americans (real Americans) have already figured it out. She is unqualified.
She’s a cheerleader. Cheerleaders do not go in to play when the quarterback is taken out.
logical fallacies = anything that doesnt agree with nathan’s world view
Fox News too biased for you? Want to ignore the facts?
Try the LA Times:
Released Detainees Join Fight
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/oct/22/nation/na-detainees22
The most recent case is that of Abdullah Mehsud, a former Taliban commander released from the detention facility in March, who masterminded the recent kidnapping of two Chinese engineers in Pakistan. One of the engineers was killed during an Oct. 14 rescue attempt by the Pakistani military.
Who knows what a five years of false imprisonment may do to a young man’s beliefs about America.
Nathaniel-
Posted October 22, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink
One of the more notable cases involved Mohammed Ismail
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Now come on Nathaniel, you KNOW that Mohammed was picked up while he was trying to return some gardening books to the public library…..
Weren’t they all?
KFG,
I clearly point out what logical fallacies are used.
I guess you never learned anything about logic either.
Yet I am called the uneducated one?
“Nathaniel” –
I can quote CONs who think you should be able to teach school (with your gun strapped to your hip, of course) simply because you’re an ex-Marine.
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) thinks you don’t need any stinking certification or additional training, boy. His “Troops-to-Teachers” proposal tells us you’re ready to teach kindergarten.
DavidB,
I guess you were too busy to read the articles before coming up with your smart remark.
I even copied some of them which clearly contradicts your smart remark as well.
Allow me to highlight:
….released in May 2003…..
….released in May 2003…..
….released in 2002….
So try the detainees. Do something, for gawd’s sake.
The point is that Gitmo was a screwup from day one. Bad idea.
When you start out with an impossible, ill-conceived, unworkable plan that goes against ALL standards of handling prisoners of war.. what do you expect will happen.
Nothing good. That’s for sure.
MonkeyHawk,
If you don’t bother to look at the specifics of the program, I could see how you would come up with such stupid conclusions.
Of course, those of us allegedly uneducated people, actually stop to read the details of things before posting on them.
DavidB,
We have been doing something. Of course, you were probably too busy coming up with your latest smart ass comment to bother to read about it.
I wouldn’t want to bother you with the details when you still have proven that you don’t stop to read anything.
DavidBs-
When you start out with an impossible, ill-conceived, unworkable plan that goes against ALL standards of handling prisoners of war.. what do you expect will happen.
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You get a Medal from the UN?
DavidB
“goes against ALL standards of handling prisoners of war..”
I think you might want to give that one a little more thought.
In 2006 there were 558 Guantanamo detainees named. 275 remain.
One trial.
Where are the other 283? Oh yeah. One died fighting.
Fact is.. another Bush mess for someone else to clean up.
Someone thinks about my ass far too much for my liking…….
DavidB,
In a war, you don’t get a “tiral” when you are captured.
This is the problem with you liberals.
You expect everything to be some legal process in the courts. That is not how war is run.
When you are captured on the battlefield you are a prisoner. You don’t get a fair and speedy trial.
So for the past several years the Bush administration has been fighting the liberals on using military tribunals.
It is a complicated process one that doesn’t have much precident.
We are talking about a thin line between being a POW or terrorist and how to treat a captured terrorist in a war.
If this were WWII we would have just executed them.
Oh well.
“If this were WWII we would have just executed them.”
Um… no. That is known as a War Crime.
A charge some Bush officials may need to answer to someday.
Many have been advised to never leave the confines of the U.S.A.
DavidB,
Try reading the Geneva Convention some time.
Oh wait… Nevermind.
Continue making your smart remarks and remain in ignorance.
It is bliss some say.
“Nathaniel” –
Remind us all when the Congress last passed a Declaration of War.
Remind us all when the Congress last passed a Declaration of War.
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Not necessary-
A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says “Congress shall have power to … declare War;” however, that passage provides no specific format for what form legislation text must have to be considered a “Declaration of War” nor does the Constitution itself use this term. Many have postulated “Declaration(s) of War” must contain that phrase as or within the title. Many oppose that reasoning. The postulate has not been tested in court; however, this article will use the term “formal Declaration of War” to mean Congressional legislation that uses the phrase “Declaration of War” in the title.
Despite the constitutional requirement that Congress declare war, in practice, formal Declarations of War have occurred only upon prior request by the President. And contrary to the popular opinion that the framers of the Constitution intended that the President cannot engage in war without an act of Congress, in fact the framers chose the final wording with the intent of “leaving to the Executive the power to repel sudden attacks” without the explicit approval of Congress.[1] However, debate continues as to the legal extent of the President’s authority in this regard. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (Pub.L. 93-148) limits the power of the President to wage war without the approval of the Congress. The United States of America has formally declared war against foreign nations five separate times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
MonkeyHawk,
What does that matter in regards to this discussion?
Monkeyhack-
Remind us all when the Congress last passed a Declaration of War.
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In most democratic nations, a declaration of war customarily must be passed by the legislature. In the United States there is no format required for declaration(s) of war. The term “Declaration of War” is not, in fact, mentioned by the United States Constitution. Instead the Constitution states, “Congress shall have the power to … declare War, …” without defining the form such declarations will take. Therefore, many have argued congressionally passed authorizations to use military force are “Declarations of War.” That concept has never been tested in the American judicial system. Some, such as Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX), argue that an explicit declaration of war is, in fact, a Constitutional requirement.[2].
Authorized use of force is relatively common among democratic societies. The United States, for instance, has been directly involved in military activities in every decade of the latter half of the twentieth century yet has not declared war formally since World War II. For instance, in the case of the Vietnam and Iraq Wars, Congress authorized the use of force rather than putting forth a true declaration of war. As noted above, there is a dispute over the constitutionality of this legislative procedure.
hope that helps.
“Nathaniel” answers a perfectly legitimate question with one of his babe-in-the-woods naive whimpers.
No wonder you’re an ex-Marine, boy.
Nathaniel seems to believe that the president of the Senate is in CHARGE of the Senate.
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) on his principled position(s) regarding “socialism.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EyGpOU3qM
Poor ol’ McCoot ought to contact the CONs who contribute to WE Blog to determine what he thinks. They seem to know better than he does!
“Take note of the date dip.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Task_Force
Take note of the date dip. Do you know when Clinton took office or do you still believe George H. Bush is really a Clinton clone? There’s really no point in educating someone stuck on stupid.
If you want to go further into the Somalia story you can check Doug Coe’s relationship with Siad Barre and the encouragement to slaughter Somali citizens. His tyranny led to an uprising and his overthrow which initiated a larger civil war for which the UN had to intervene for which Bush sent the military in. But why bother going into historical facts with you because you think it all started with Clinton. Try reading some books other than whatever John Birch Society crap that you compel yourself with.
RE:”McCain trying hard to get away from Bush”
Maybe it’s not on purpose. Maybe McCain is simply lost and wandering off. ??????
AND to answer your NEXT idiotic question….
–With a majority of Republicans voting to support it and some Democrats voting against it, the United States Congress passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. The resolution asserts the authorization by the Constitution of the United States and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement..
(Iraq Liberation Act of 1998…CLINTON)
So…there are people here whom believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old?
My point in asking the question was that the Congress passed a joint resolution authorizing Bush to use military force against Afghanistan and one for Iraq.
They did this in conjunction with the War Powers Resolution.
The mere fact that a “war” was not declared has nothing to do with our war in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Maggotdip-
Do you know when Clinton took office?
yes, he served from 1993* to 2001.
Do you know when Bill CLINTON ordered a strike force into Somalia?
yes, October 3, 1993*, a U.S. force took off by helicopter to capture Aidid.(Aidid was a warlord IN Somalia BTW)
Do you know the UN was first involved and Bush committed “troops?”
yes, it was a peacekeeping mission as I had stated in the 11:01 post.
Do you know what ended our involvement in Somalia?
yes, Clinton committed insufficient armed forces to the operation (capturing or killing the principal warlord Aidid). When Aidid fought back, killing 18 Americans and dozens of other UN soldiers, Clinton decided to cut and run.
And that IS your history lesson for today.
Some how I think even THAT may be MORE than you can handle.
nit.
Poor Maggotdip, thinks War of the Worlds is a documentary and Blackhawk Down is a video game……
libtards…
go figger…
Cosmos,
Palin would be the President of the Senate. Yes.
Nathaniel
Posted October 22, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
Cosmos,
Palin would be the President of the Senate. Yes.
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Poor Pelosi….
Might even get her to blink those surgery induced wide open eyes of hers…
hehehehehe
You’re right biased, Clinton ordered Bush to order the military into Somalia. I give up. I can’t deal with your stupidity anymore.
“That pretty much wipes out your whole list.”
Heckler are you tossing out torture from the list because you are subsuming it under Iraq?
Trying to leave out Iraq, torture, and the tax cuts for the rich out of a discussion of the Bush II presidency is like the old joke:
“Other than than, Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?”
I don’t believe I have seen a more absurd post on this blog – ever.
I will refrain from calling you the nwit word, because such should be patetently obvious to anyone with even a single working neuron.
Check out this critique of the “principled stand” McCain supposedly has taken on torture. He is such a lame joke:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/27/mccain/
And my point, “Nathaniel” is –
George WMD Bush and the CONs and the Republic Party have no compunctions about pulling out the “W” word when it fits their actions, then claiming the rules of war as set forth in the Geneva Conventions don’t apply to them because “we’re not at war.”
The meost egregious of George WMD Bush’s Reign of Error have been the repeated actions which undermine basic — and I might add, traditionally conservative — constitutional powers and restrictions thereto.
If some evil liberal were to get into office and play as fast and loose with, say, the 2nd Amendment as Bush/Cheney have treated the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments, people like you and “Boxlock” and “MaxGrobnik” and your
masterDad would be bombing the government in ways that would make Timothy McVeigh’s crime seem like a misdemeanor.But in this forum, there are too many (to use the word of the day) “FRINDGE” elements of the right wing who consider anyone who disagrees on details or nuances of their dogma to be “Marxist” or “Communist” or “non-Christian” or “lesbian chicken farmers,” a lot of traditional conservatives have decided you no longer speak for them nor their vision of America’s greatness.
If they’re “Prisoners of War,” they have certain rights as defined by the Geneva Conventions. If they are criminals whose crimes break United States law, the United States government has been given pretty clear instructions for dealing with such miscreants.
The Constitution isn’t a cafeteria or a Chinese restaurant menu.
Maggotpunk
Posted October 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink
You’re right biased, Clinton ordered Bush to order the military into Somalia. I give up. I can’t deal with your stupidity anymore.
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No what I said was Bush ordered the black hawks into mogadishu, and they waited there to be blown up until Clinton took office.
wow.
biased1 posted October 22, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Nathaniel posted October 22, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Cosmos,
Palin would be the President of the Senate. Yes.
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Poor Pelosi….
Might even get her to blink those surgery induced wide open eyes of hers…
hehehehehe
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An easy 2 for 1. . .
Nathaniel is so immature, he cannot admit that the “President of the Senate” does NOT control the Senate. Nathaniel instead just keeps spinning his stupid junior high school debate tactics.
biased1 doesn’t seem to know that Harry Reid (NOT Pelosi) is Senate majority leader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate#Party_leaders
Party leaders
Each party elects Senate party leaders. Floor leaders act as the party chief spokespeople. The Senate Majority Leader is responsible for controlling the agenda of the chamber; for example, by scheduling debates and votes. Each party elects a whip to assist the leader; the whip works to ensure that his party’s senators vote as the party leadership desires.”
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
No wonder biased and Nathaniel are voting for McCain. They don’t have a clue how the government even works. I’ll bet neither of them has ever read the Constitution of the US either!
livin_in_the_Cosmos
An easy 2 for 1.
biased1 doesn’t seem to know that Harry Reid (NOT Pelosi) is Senate majority leader.
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Cosmos doesn’t understand that Nancy Pelosi (House majority “Leader’), will no longer BE the most powerful woman in the US.
Steven
Perhaps it could have been more clear by stating it in this manner.
If you look at Bush’s domestic policy he looks just like a Democrat of ten years ago with the possible exception of the tax cuts(which hero Kennedy used to similar effect)
This avoids the confusion of how different people lump the things regarding war policy in different piles.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 22, 2008 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
No wonder biased and Nathaniel are voting for McCain. They don’t have a clue how the government even works. I’ll bet neither of them has ever read the Constitution of the US either!
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Oh BURN!
Steven
“tax cuts for the rich ”
You mean tax cuts for people who pay taxes?
biased1 Posted October 22, 2008 at 2:38 pm
livin_in_the_Cosmos
An easy 2 for 1.
biased1 doesn’t seem to know that Harry Reid (NOT Pelosi) is Senate majority leader.
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Cosmos doesn’t understand that Nancy Pelosi (House majority “Leader’), will no longer BE the most powerful woman in the US.
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No, I DO understand that the House majority leader has MORE power than the President of the Senate — except (arguably) in the case of a very rare Senate tie vote.
The President of the Senate is a boring, mundane job.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate#Presiding_over_the_Senate
“Like the Vice President, the President pro tempore does not normally preside over the Senate, but typically delegates the responsibility of presiding to junior senators of the majority party. Frequently, freshmen senators (newly elected members) are allowed to preside so that they may become accustomed to the rules and procedures of the body.”
“mxyzptlk” –
One of my favorite moments in talk radio (as the token liberal on a right-wing station) was the caller who shrieked (I think it was about equal protection under the law):
But it’s only an *AMENDMENT*!!
And not part of “original intent.”
I mean, how do you argue against such stuff?
And why bother with such stuff?
Well, for starters. John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) tried to tell us that the Moose-Dresser should be taken seriously.
And now I wonder what she’s dressing that moose in? $75,000 worth of Nieman-Marcus houte coture?
(Those alteration charges will add up.)
Monkeypunk- And now I wonder what she’s dressing that moose in? $75,000 worth of Nieman-Marcus houte coture?
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Wait ’till you see the camo drapes for the “Lincoln”
hahahahaha
realtree or mossy oak??
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Latest AP Poll-
The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain’s “Joe the plumber” analogy struck a chord.
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another
hhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE defeat for libtards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps joe likes camo.
“biased1
…another
hhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE defeat for libtards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps joe likes camo.”
Oh good one! Your wit and ability to use capitals always amazes me
brains- Oh good one! Your wit and ability to use capitals always amazes me.
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Don’t mention it. Glad as always!
“biased1
Posted October 22, 2008 at 3:35 pm | Permalink
brains- Oh good one! Your wit and ability to use capitals always amazes me.
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Don’t mention it. Glad as always!”
I am sure the little things like that are what make your days tolerable
This just in……
Joe Biden has just announced that “Joe the Plumber” is also more qualified than he to be Vice President….
film at 11……..
brains- I am sure the little things like that are what make your days tolerable.
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Actually if I can get under ksfartgrrls skin, it’s pretty much a good day.
She has not posted in a while, Probably went to DC for the 100 lesbian march….
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ambush/etc/cron.html
“With only weeks left in his term as president, George Bush responds to the UN request, proposing that US combat troops lead an international UN force to secure the environment for relief operations. On December 5, the UN accepts his offer, and Bush orders 25,000 US troops into Somalia. On December 9th, the first US Marines land on the beach.
“Cut and run..”
Well, the Bushes wanted to show how easy it is for a tough American Republican administration to show who’s boss and do that Mission Accomplished Slam-Dunk thing.
Seven year later….. another Bush mess the next President will need to clean up
Even Palin has recently said we are in Iraq fighting the terrorists who attacked America on 9/11… which is not true, of course.
Meanwhile in Afghanistan 50% of the economy may be heroin based and the Taliban is on the offensive and is on the rise…
It was the Taliban who gave Bin Laden safe haven and helped him hide in Tora Bora…
Senator Obama announced his intention to send more troops into Afghanistan.
Check out this Republican operative assaulting a Democratic election tracker at a Kenny Hulshof rally in West Plains, MO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmi-cuHQ7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPT09SmKUUA
Just lovely. Make you proud, Republicans?
biased1/Dumbass,
I’ll let a poster over at TPM debunk the AP poll:
“TPM put this on their home page taken from Drudge’s daily attempt to find any single little outlier or to cherry pick numbers from any skewed poll to show hope for his faithful GOPers.
Don’t be fooled. Open up the full report and read it.
In the national poll, Obama LEADS BY 10 points over McCain. The problem lies in the AP making the same mistake that Gallup occassionally does in that they are using patterns from the past 2 presidential elections to derive estimated on who will vote.
So their LIKELY VOTERS is what shows a 1 point Obama lead. HOWEVER, that is using a formula that is based on a much higher GOP and evangelical turnout from 2000 and 2004 not taking into account the new Democratic registered voters or young voter who will vote predominately Obama.
That accounts for the difference in national polls vs. likely voters and the AP (along with Gallup’s “traditional” model) has it wrong.”
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/mk3872/2008/10/do-not-fall-for-this-bogus-ap.php
Moral of the story, Dumbass? Poll “registered voters” rather than “likely voters,” and the numbers look very different.
Oh, and Dumbass? Here’s a composite of six of today’s tracking polls–just for purposes of real-world comparison:
“Here’s our daily composite of the six major national tracking polls. Barack Obama’s lead just keeps getting bigger:
• Gallup: Obama 52%, McCain 44%, with a ±2% margin of error, compared to a 52%-42% Obama lead yesterday.
• Rasmussen: Obama 51%, McCain 45%, with a ±2% margin of error, compared to a 50%-46% Obama lead from yesterday.
• ABC/Washington Post: Obama 54%, McCain 43%, with a ±3% margin of error, compared to a 53%-44% Obama lead yesterday.
• Hotline/Diageo: Obama 47%, McCain 42%, with a ±3.4% margin of error, compared to a 47%-41% Obama lead from yesterday.
• Research 2000: Obama 51%, McCain 41%, with a ±3% margin of error, compared to a 50%-42% Obama lead from yesterday.
• Zogby: Obama 52%, McCain 42%, with a ±2.9% margin of error, compared to a 50%-42% Obama lead yesterday.
Adding these polls together and weighting them by the square roots of their sample sizes, Obama is ahead 51.3%-43.1%, a lead of 8.2 points, compared to the 50.5%-43.1% Obama lead from yesterday.”
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Can you sense the desperation, one poll out of scores, and hope springs eternal!
Latest AP Poll-
The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain’s “Joe the plumber” analogy struck a chord.
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another
hhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE defeat for libtards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phantom,
Indeed. Declarations of victory are but one of a number of “premature” things that characterize Dumbassed1.
The last time the Republicans won the White House without a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket?
1928.
Maybe that’s why McCain is the siamese twin of Bush.
Actually, Obama is the twin of McCain, or maybe it’s the other way around. You decide:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgV3_1_qlc
The McCain campaign continues to meltdown as the $150,000 + makeover of Palin the Pig (that’s what McCain calls her) is neutralizing the idea that Obama is an elitist.
60 % of voters now see McCain/Palin as the candidates of the rich , not the middle class.
Christians are beginning to realize that McCain is an agnostic and not a Christian making them wonder if they should vote for him.
Republican Meltdown ‘08
mxyzptlk,
“The last time the Republicans won the White House without a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket?
1928.”
That would be the sobering thought to end all sobering thoughts, were it not for the following:
“Sarah and Jeb in 2012!”
As for the meltdown, yes. But I worry that the resulting Chernobyl-like Wingnut inferno will take down what remains of the Constitution and American society. The Republican rage we’re seeing turn into violence could get very, very dangerous.
“The Republican rage we’re seeing turn into violence could get very, very dangerous.”
That would give the bush evil empire just the excuse they need to declare martial law on the way out the door to Paraguay…
“The last time the Republicans won the White House without a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket?
1928.”
Jesus WEPT!
That’s scary. I hadnt thought about that. And wasnt tricky dick one of prescott’s pet’s?
OOOOOHHHHH NOES!
ksfarmgrrl,
Indeed. But as Mr. Dylan (and Arlo Guthrie) once sang,
“And the sands will roll
Out a carpet of gold
For your weary toes to be a’touchin’
And the ship’s wise men
Will remind you once again
That the whole wide world is watchin’
Oh the foe will rise
With the sleep still in their eyes
And they’ll jerk from their beds and think they’re dreamin’
And they’ll pinch themselves and squeal
And they’ll know that it’s for real
The hour when the ship comes in
And they’ll raise their hands
Sayin’ “We’ll meet all your demands”
And we’ll shout from the bow “Your days are numbered”
And like the pharoah’s triumph
They’ll be drownded in the tide
Like Goliath they’ll be conquered”
“When the Ship Comes In”
http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/ship-comes-in.shtml
Oh, and I nabbed your chili recipe from the Open Thread. I can’t WAIT to bust out the Dutch oven and get started, ah tell yew whut…
As for the meltdown, yes. But I worry that the resulting Chernobyl-like Wingnut inferno will take down what remains of the Constitution and American society. The Republican rage we’re seeing turn into violence could get very, very dangerous.
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Ain’t nothin’ bro, compared to what happens if my man Obama isn’t elected. Word.
Ain’t nothin’ bro, compared to what happens if my man Obama isn’t elected. Word.
You’re not wrong there bro outlander!
My Washington DC shutdown gear is packed and ready.
5 million have signed up. Obamastock here we come (if needed).
“Oh, and I nabbed your chili recipe from the Open Thread.”
HA!
Cool. I hope you like it :)
outlander,
Seems to me the signal American political riot of the last twenty years or so was a bunch of Republicans who beat on some doors and got a recount stopped.
Oh, and your cringe-inducing “Ebonics” usage? Strictly “Blacks without soul”; see for yourself.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=4355644
McCain was a bit of a maverick, if that’s the word you want to use, for a little while around the time of the 2000 election and shortly thereafter. Bush and Rove took it to him, and McCain seemed to get the message, as time went on, that bucking the current was going to be a little harder than he thought. So by the time of the mid-term elections in 2002, if you watched him on Hardball or one of the other shows, it was clear that he was already knuckling under. He helped derail the typically wrong-headed Cheney led initiative to undue the filibuster, but this amounts to giving him credit to having a wee dram of common sense about once every eighteen months. And it was no radical thing to do: the retired Kansas Senator Bob Dole, when the filibuster fight was unfolding, published an eloquent piece in the NYT op-ed pages urging Republicans to retain the filibuster. Why? Because power is fleeting. You only need a somewhat decent grasp of history to acknowledge that reality, but history has always been lost on those in control of the existing Republican party: arrogance trumps thoughtfulness every time.
So by the time of the mid-term elections in 2002, if you watched him on Hardball or one of the other shows, it was clear that he was already knuckling under.
Being offered the 2008 nomination was hard to say no to. The problem is, they thought he would take all of Dubya’s states and more.
I see in the news where McCain is out to grab Pennsylvania. He’s trailing by 11 or 12% in all the electoral polls there that I checked. (4)
What’s really funny is that a few months after Bush beat McCain in the 2000 primaries, McCain very grudgingly supported Bush.
And then later,
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/McCain-Bush-Hug.htm
Cosmos,
I see you still can’t do much more than play your word games and lie.
Now you are saying that Palin said she would “control” the Senate?
You truly have no integrity.
Nathaniel posted October 22, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Cosmos,
I see you still can’t do much more than play your word games and lie.
Now you are saying that Palin said she would “control” the Senate?
You truly have no integrity.
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Poor Nathaniel. . . he still believes that his stupid, very flawed, junior high school debate tactics are effective.
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
Nathaniel posted October 22, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Cosmos,
I see you still can’t do much more than play your word games and lie.
Now you are saying that Palin said she would “control” the Senate?
You truly have no integrity.
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In charge
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_charge
“Having the power of command or control.
This internet browser puts you in charge of your personal settings.”
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‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
Cosmos,
Obviously you missed that little word:
OR
And you left out the first part of the definition:
1. Having the responsibility of leading or overseeing.
Nathaniel,
Obviously YOU missed what Sarah Palin said in her answer to Brandon, who is in the 3rd grade.
“. . . make a lot of good policy changes. . .”
‘Sarah Palin: VP Is ‘In Charge Of United States Senate’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nrw3V3GA
You cannot make “policy changes” in the Senate, unless you have “command”, OR “control” of the Senate.
Harry Reid has “control” of the Senate.
The president of the Senate does NOT have “control” of the Senate.
Nathaniel. . . please stop wasting WE Blog bandwidth with your very stupid junior high school debate tactics.
Cosmos,
Thank you for pointing out the obvious.
Well, except for the fact that if Palin wanted to be really involved with the Senate she could be. And she could also be a part of making a lot of good policy changes.
Nathaniel posted October 23, 2008 at 1:25 am
And she could also be a part of making a lot of good policy changes.
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NOT if she was president of the Senate — except for the very rare Senate tie votes.