Columnist Kathleen Parker is concerned about the ugly turn the McCain campaign has taken, particular Sarah Palin. In addition to continuing her accusation that Barack Obama pals around with terrorists, Palin has been trying to blame her interview misfires on the media. At a rally this week in Florida, the crowd responded by taunted and yelling obscenities at reporters covering the event, and one Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African-American soundman for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy,” the Washington Post reported. Parker contends that such incitements are a “dangerous game” and that “McCain may want to call off his pit bull before this war escalates.”
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Obama DOES pall around with terrorists.
“Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach! Wild!”
Terrorist Bernadine Dohrn, wife of terrorist William Ayers, speaking at the Flint, Michigan, Weathermen War Council in December 1969.
Obama contributor and friend, Dohrn, was praising the Charles Manson murders.
Obama’s strange bedfellows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNfRb87dtY4&feature=related
Pit bull?? With all that fluff she spouts, she’e more of a big dust bunny!
Crash and burn is forthcoming.
The news media can’t stand the real life person in Palin, who is a go-getter. The libel elite don’t know what to think. Go Lady give the dems hell. You betcha!!!!!!!
The next 3 1/2 weeks will be incredibly nasty. I wonder if there will be any hope of bringing our country together after this. My hope is that the Democrats win enough seats to control the government and then simply marginalize the Republics.
Look for McCain to resign from the Senate after his defeat in November.
Ayers IS a terrorist.
Ayers gave Obama a job, running a liberal trust fund.
Ayers and Dohrn held Obama’s first fundraiser, in their home.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g&eurl=http://backyardconservative.blogspot.com/search?q=wright
I see the paid shill Franklin is front and center with yet his usual talking point (how many of those 30 pieces of silver does spewing this talking point get you?)
And for george – the real life person in Palin is just replacing a set of good old boys with her own set of good old boys. I’m still waiting for Sarah Palin, the real life person, to make good on her promise of showing us that open book that she so loudly proclaims but yet will refuse to cooperate in investigations.
McCain and Palin are two of a kind – a couple of Jokers!
Seems both McCain and Palin are helping elect Obama / Biden. The pit bull strategy is working great!
bth – I look for McCain to start his own lobbyist firm if he loses. After all, he has all the makings of a lobbyist firm from the people in his own campaign!
You know Linda, Palin thought she was being funny when making that pit bull statement; but I think it is coming back to haunt her and the entire McCain campaign. What do you think?
She’s helped to seal mccains fate, sic em sarah!
Though it was not clear if the attendee at a Palin rally was talking about Obama or Ayers, the secret service is looking for the guy who yelled “kill him.”
I have heard from several Obama supporters that they have a fear about assassination attempts against Obama.
good point mom – maybe he can partner with his pal Keating.
Deja vu all over again:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Wanted_for_treason.jpg
With an on-going stock market crash McCain wants to focus on ANYTHING but the issues.
one Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African-American soundman for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy,” the Washington Post reported.
Doesn’t matter, Osama Obama has already kicked the African-American Community to the curb, so he can be more accepted by the liberal white breads.
Meanwhile – Palin continues to hide her abuse of power behind a veil of secrecy:
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/556335.html
Lawmakers meeting secretly on Palin ethics report
I happen to know several actual pit bulls. I challenge Palin to get on her lipstick and defend her claim in the ring!
What I have been wondering is why doesn’t Obama have a greater lead than he does now? It is hard for me to believe that he is only 4 percentage points ahead of McCain (the most recent national poll I’ve seen).
I see McLunatic Irregular continues with his idiotic “Osama Obama”
The stock market problems are due to DEMOCRAT invented, Democrat mandated, sub prime mortgages.
Obama is up to his neck in ACORN.
ACORN helped force these sub prime mortgages onto the public.
Things are getting desperate, crazy, and right up to the edge of violence on the Republican side. It seems that Nazis like Paulie would rather burn down the country then allow Democrats to take power.
Whoever wins, this will not end well.
Oh, and Paulie? If “Obama is a terrorist,” that means YOU’RE a racist. Kind of like Frank Keating, that “man of the sheets.”
Steven – I think I have seen 7. However, to answer your question – I think race is a factor – especially with rural white men. However, that might be changing:
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/556623.html
McCain losing ground with working-class whites
KITTANNING, Pa. – The steel mills and coal mines of western Pennsylvania helped fuel the nation’s economic engine. Today, old factory shells and boarded-up storefronts stand as bleak reminders of those once-prosperous times.
But the voters in working-class enclaves such as this still are a sought-after prize in presidential politics, and many are belatedly backing Democratic nominee Barack Obama.
In the Democratic primaries, working-class whites consistently supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Later polls showed them overwhelmingly favoring Republican nominee John McCain.
Now, driven by fears that their personal finances could further deteriorate, many see Obama as the better choice – their thinking in some cases driven more by concern about how McCain would handle the economy than any growing admiration for his rival.
“I don’t know that there’s anything I particularly like about him (Obama), but I dislike McCain, and I dislike the way the country is, and Republicans need to change,” said lifelong Republican Ruth Ann Michel, 64, a retiree shopping in a market in Butler on a recent day. She said her vote for Obama would be her first for a Democratic presidential candidate.
While talk in these parts is mostly about the economy, a prominent – if not unspoken subtext – is race. A study of the impact of racial attitudes on the election conducted by The Associated Press with Yahoo News and Stanford University found that whites without a college education were much more likely to hold negative views of blacks than those with a college education.
Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell says a drowning man doesn’t care what color the person is who throws him a life preserver.
“This election is going to be decided when a husband and wife sit at a kitchen table, or a single parent sits at the kitchen table, looks at their bills and figures out who is most likely to help them with their financial condition,” Rendell said. “If the answer’s Barack Obama, nobody’s going to care whether he’s black, green, orange, purple, fuchsia or whatever.”
In April, Rendell backed Clinton in the primary and had to answer questions after saying some whites in his state were likely to vote against Obama because of his race.
Darryl Hendon, 50, of Beaver Falls, who is black and on disability, said he thinks some white Democrats are reluctant to back Obama because of his race.
Since early September, growing numbers of whites who have not finished college have been expressing the view that Obama cares about people like them, even as fewer say so about McCain, according to AP-GfK polling.
In early September, McCain had a 26-point advantage among white voters without a college degree who were likely to vote, according to the poll. But by late September, the advantage had dropped to 7 points, with McCain leading 46 percent to 39 percent among this group.
For Obama, that’s far better than Democrats have done in recent presidential elections. President Bush carried whites who haven’t finished college by 23 points in 2004 and by 17 points in 2000.
In Pennsylvania, a recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Obama with a double-digit lead over McCain, compared with a close race after the political conventions. Clay Richards, a Quinnipiac pollster, said that’s because support among working-class voters in the state is growing, and he suspects many former Clinton supporters are moving to Obama’s camp.
The candidates’ campaign schedules make clear the importance they attach to Pennsylvania’s working-class voters.
McCain and running mate Sarah Palin staged a rally Wednesday in the former steel town of Bethlehem in northeast Pennsylvania. On Friday, Palin was stopping in Pittsburgh, then heading for Johnstown in western Pennsylvania, where unemployment recently topped 7 percent. The self-described hockey mom planned to drop the ceremonial first puck when the Philadelphia Flyers open their season against the New York Rangers on Saturday.
Obama, for his part, will be in Philadelphia on Saturday. And on Sunday, his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, will be joined in his blue-collar hometown of Scranton by Clinton and her husband, former President Clinton.
In western Pennsylvania, Republican and Democratic voters alike tend to be socially conservative, pro-gun and anti-abortion rights. Many are so-called Reagan Democrats willing to vote for a Republican because of social issues.
While some pockets in this region have recovered and flourished after hard times in the 1980s, many never did. Populations have dwindled and many of those left are elderly.
“The ones who can get a good education … they leave, which I don’t blame them because there’s nothing here, really,” said Georgia Lutz, 55, who was eating breakfast at a diner in Beaver Falls recently with Hendon. “The economy is absolutely horrible and we’re going into a depression right now.”
The working-class vote is particularly important in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Ohio, where the percentage of adults without a college degree ranks exceeds the national average.
They also are a key voting bloc because those personally affected by the current economic woes appear to be among the more persuadable voters, according to a recent AP-Yahoo News poll. Among them is Michelle Smith, 41, who works retail during the day at a surplus shop in Kittanning and tends bar at night. Combined, she and her husband have six kids.
“Decent working families can’t survive. It’s very sad,” Smith said. “They raised minimum wage, but now you’re paying triple in gas to get to work. It evens itself out.”
A Democrat, Smith said she’s leaning toward McCain. While she said she likes Obama on a personal level, she wonders if Obama has what it takes to fix the economy.
Obama’s already won over Don Melochick, 58, a construction worker from Whitehall, Pa., in northeast Pennsylvania. A registered Democrat who’s voted Republican in the past, Melochick said he plans to vote for Obama because he’s “somewhat better” than McCain.
If McCain “hasn’t changed nothing in his 30 years … he’s not going to change anything now,” Melochick said, from the counter of a diner outside Philadelphia. But he adds: “I don’t think Obama will either.”
This Aers crap is just that crap. Obama doesn’t meet this guy until 1995, well after this guy had left the Weathermen. He works on two groups that improve Chicago area schools. One of those groups was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The wife of the person who founded the CAC, is Leonore Annenberg who supports McCain. Oh no, McCain has links to Ayers too!!!!! Oh no, McCain supports a terrorist. Get over it people!!!!
Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.”
Steven – sadly, in some circles these negative attack ads work and that is what McCain is counting on. Hey, it worked on McCain – remember when the rumor started and pushed by Conservative Christian Republicans that McCain had an illegitmate black baby? And yet, McCain still surrounds himself with these very same people that attacked him so viciously. Unbelievable.
mom – it’s called Stockholm Syndrome.
Franklin- As the election nears, and McCain falls further behind, are you going to kick the “Shill-Meter” into the turbo mode to collect as much as you can from your minders? Just curious.
Franklin
Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
The stock market problems are due to DEMOCRAT invented, Democrat mandated, sub prime mortgages.
Obama is up to his neck in ACORN.
ACORN helped force these sub prime mortgages onto the public.
AGAIN – where were your precious Republicans that had power from 1994 to 2000 and TOTAL power from 2000 to 2006? When will McCain, the reformer, kick his campaign staffers who are neck-deep in this Wall Street crisis to the curb and make their names famous?
If McCain wants to carry the reformer banner – then he needs to do more than just say the word reformer. Isn’t it interesting we don’t hear the word maverick much anymore?
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bth
Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink
I see McLunatic Irregular continues with his idiotic “Osama Obama”
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Yeah, okay…like you and your other Libdumb kin haven’t invoked “McSame,Mclame, McC&NT, and the three gillion Palin ad hominyms’
Time to change your ‘Depends’ BTH, it’s starting to smell like kool-aid smelling urine.
Paul Rosell,
“ACORN helped force these sub prime mortgages onto the public.”
Dude, step away from the keyboard and take a powder. Your spin just crashed into itself.
Obama’s Liberal Shock Troops
Soros and ACORN
By JOHN FUND
July 12, 2008; Page A11
Denver
While he is a skilled candidate, Barack Obama’s ability to surprise, stun and sweep over the vaunted Clinton Machine to capture the Democratic nomination was rooted in his background as a community organizer. He’s now turning those skills to the general election.
But liberals aren’t just on the march on the presidential level. This year, liberal activists are spending parts of the fortunes of their wealthy donors to transform politics at the state and local level.
In 2005, billionaire investor George Soros convened a group of 70 super-rich liberal donors in Phoenix to evaluate why their efforts to defeat President Bush had failed. One conclusion was that they needed to step up their long-term efforts to dominate key battleground states. The donors formed a group called Democracy Alliance to make grants in four areas: media, ideas, leadership and civic engagement. Since then, Democracy Alliance partners have donated over $100 million to key progressive organizations.
Take Colorado, which has voted Republican for president in nine of the last 10 presidential elections. But in 2006, Colorado elected a Democratic governor and legislature for the first time in over 30 years. Denver will be the site for the party’s 2008 presidential convention. Polls show Barack Obama would carry the state today. This hasn’t happened by chance. The Democracy Alliance poured money into Colorado to make it a proving ground for how progressives can take over a state.
Offshoots of leading liberal national groups were set up including Colorado Media Matters in 2006, to correct “conservative misinformation” in the media. Ethics Watch, a group modeled after Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, was started and proceeded to file a flurry of complaints over alleged campaign finance violations — while refusing to name its own donors.
Western Progress, a think tank to advance “progressive solutions,” opened its doors as did the Colorado Fiscal Policy Institute, one of 29 such groups around the country. Then there’s Colorado Confidential, a project of The Center for Independent Media, which subsidized liberal bloggers. CIM has set up similar ventures in Iowa, Minnesota and Michigan, with funding from groups such as the Service Employees International Union, and George Soros’s Open Society Institute.
On the electoral front, Progressive Majority Colorado has set up seven offices with the goal of “recruiting progressive leaders” as candidates. America Votes-Colorado promises to coordinate the largest voter mobilization effort in the state’s history. “All of this activity has flown under the radar,” says Ed Morrissey of the conservative blog Captain’s Quarters. “But efforts to change the political ground game may have real long-term consequences.”
More audaciously, in Michigan, signatures have been filed to put a sweeping reorganization of state government on this November’s ballot. The measure, pushed by a group called “Reform Michigan Government Now,” contains at least 36 distinct provisions that take up a dozen pages of fine type. “It’s a Trojan Horse dressed up as My Friend Flicka,” says Lawrence Reed, president of the conservative Mackinac Center.
In a recession-wracked state seething with public anger at elected officials, the measure hits populist notes by cutting the size of the legislature and reducing the salaries of top officeholders. But on voting, it would mandate no-excuse-needed absentee voting — despite a long history of vote-fraud scandals involving absentee votes in Detroit and other cities. A redistricting commission would be set up to reshape political boundaries, but state courts would be barred from reviewing any plans it draws up. (Only federal courts could review the boundaries.) Voters would also be barred from rejecting or amending the commission’s work by initiative.
There is also a direct attack on the judiciary. The initiative reduces the state’s Supreme Court to five members, down from seven, and the state’s Court of Appeals to 20 judges, down from 28. Saving money appears not to be the motive: Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm could appoint 10 newly created circuit court judges. The net result would be that conservatives would lose control of the state Supreme Court, because the two justices who would be removed would be the last two appointed by GOP Gov. John Engler. Of the eight appeals court judgeships that would be eliminated, six are now held by people with GOP backgrounds.
“It’s a strange reform that benefits one political party exclusively at all three levels of the judiciary,” observes Mr. Reed. “Is the intent that the judiciary become just another arm of one of the political parties?”
The financing for the initiative is mysterious and will not be publicly revealed until campaign finance reports are due in late September or early October. But the measure appears to be a Democratic effort. The campaign is being quarterbacked by a former Democratic state legislative leader, and Mark Brewer, the state’s Democratic Party chair, says his party supports the measure.
Should Mr. Obama be elected, he would become not just the head of the Democratic Party but also the inspiration for a large number of liberal groups. Some of them would no doubt lobby him to hand out taxpayer grants and contracts for their nonpolitical “community” efforts.
Indeed, Mr. Obama has extensive connections with the granddaddy of activist groups, Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which has gotten millions in government grants for its low-income housing programs. In 1992, Acorn hired Mr. Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases.
Acorn’s political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama while its “voter education” arm has pledged to spend $35 million to register people this fall — despite a history of vote fraud scandals that have led to guilty pleas by many Acorn employees.
The housing bill now before Congress would set up a slush fund for community organizations such as Acorn. But Acorn has gone quiet in its lobbying for the bill this week with the news that one of its employees — the brother of Acorn founder Wade Rathke — had stolen nearly $1 million from the group. Mr. Rathke decided not to alert law enforcement or the organization’s board, and kept his brother employed at Acorn until last month. “Is this the kind of group we want getting taxpayer money?” asks Rep. Ed Royce (R., Calif.)
But Acorn may play, along with other liberal groups, a leading role in electing Mr. Obama. Such groups deserve a closer look now, before their influence and possibly their clout grow dramatically after the November election.
As usual Mr. Fund’s “opinion” piece contains more newsworthy information than a dozen Associated Press reports.
We have discussed many of these topics here, especially the highly secretive genesis of the Soros Democracy Alliance.
But as Mr. Fund suggest, much more needs to be known about all of these shadowy groups.
And we know our watchdog media won’t investigate them.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-forces-behind-obama-soros-and-acorn
Franklin/Paul Rosell’s sputtering rage is precisely what McCain/Palin have been stoking at their rallies. The eliminationist rhetoric merely demonstrates what has been evident for some time: namely, that the modern Right Wing is devolving into the Fourth Reich.
If nobody else is killed in Right-Wing violence this election year, it will be a miracle.
“What I have been wondering is why doesn’t Obama have a greater lead than he does now? It is hard for me to believe that he is only 4 percentage points ahead of McCain.”
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Will Winds Of Change Blow Pollsters Away?
The Presidential Election Will Bring Three New Factors That Are Keeping Pollsters Up Nights
Will the 2008 election be polling’s “perfect storm”? Pollsters rarely say it in so many words, but when they compare notes these days, worry is the prevailing theme. Three big challenges loom that threaten to throw off survey estimates for the matchup between John McCain and Barack Obama.
more at:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/mp_20081007_3455.php
gster – I would bet YES.
Has “ACORN” become the new Area 51?
Obama’s Alinsky Lessons
Barack Obama had just graduated from Columbia and was looking for a job. Some white leftists were looking for someone who could recruit in a black neighborhood in the south side of Chicago.
Obama answered a help-wanted ad for a position as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago. Obama was 24 years old, unmarried, very accustomed to a vagabond existence, and according to his memoir, searching for a genuine African-American community.
Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to “rub raw the sores of discontent,” in Alinsky’s words.
One of Obama’s early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say
to an Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, about Obama:
“He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full
of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they
were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.”
The agitator’s job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the “realization” that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and
corporations will see imminent “self-interest” in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.
In these methods, euphemistically labeled “community organizing,” Obama had a four-year
education, which he often says was the best education he ever got anywhere.
Is it any wonder, then, that Obama’s Alinsky Jujitsu is making mincemeat of the woman
who merely interviewed Alinsky, wrote about him, and spent the next 30 years in corporate law and in the lap of taxpayer-funded luxury in government mansions?
Obama Not Starry-Eyed Like His Followers
Alinsky considered himself a realist above all, the ultimate pragmatist. As a confirmed
atheist, Alinsky believed that the here and now is all there is, and therefore had no qualms about assorted versions of morality in the pursuit of worldly power. He didn’t coddle his radical acolytes or encourage their bourgeois distinctions between good and evil when it came to transferring power from the Haves to the Have Nots. Alinsky saw the already formed church communities as being the perfect springboards for agitation and creating bonds for demanding goods and services.
When Obama first undertook his agitating work in Chicago’s South Side poor neighborhoods, he was un-churched. Yet his office was in a Church and most of the folks he needed to agitate and organize were Church people — pastors and congregants — who took their churches and their church-going very seriously. So, this became a problem for the young agnostic, who had been exposed to very little religion in his life. Again and again, he was asked by pastors and church ladies, “Where do you go to Church, young
man?” It was a question he dodged for a while, but finally he relented and joined a church.
Not just any church, but a huge black nationalist church with a pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who unabashedly preaches a “black” gospel. Rolling Stone Magazine ran with a story on Obama and his church, entitled, “Destiny’s Child,” which included this excerpt from one of Rev. Wright’s sermons: “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” he intones.
“Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!”
“We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!”
The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: “And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS S**T!”
This doesn’t sound like any church in which I’ve ever worshipped, but perhaps I have led a sheltered life. Reverend Wright, whom Obama called his spiritual mentor and still claims is his sounding board, has taken trips abroad with none other than Louis Farrakhan. The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan received the “Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright,Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer” Award at the 2007 Trumpet Gala at the the United Church of Christ. Wright was even reported to be a former Muslim. One might be led to wonder if this “church” isn’t all it makes itself out to be.
Among some of the black nationalist signs hanging in this church are a list of admonishments to black solidarity, called the “Black Value System,” and a sort of moral code calling for the “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.” I don’t recall the Ten Commandments or anything at all in the Gospel about race, so this seems a bit
strange.
But Obama isn’t starry-eyed when it comes to protecting himself from the possibility of bad press regarding his church affiliation. When he was preparing to announce his campaign for the Presidency in February, he called his minister, Reverend Wright, the night before and disinvited him to stand on the podium in front of all the cameras.
Rather than face questions, he simply eliminated the target, a perfect Alinsky action meant to forestall an enemy reaction.
Hillary should have known what she was up against when she read up on how Obama won his state senate seat in Illinois.
Obama had returned to Chicago and practiced civil rights law for 3 years, when he spied an opportunity to run for the state senate. A longtime, widely-revered matron of the civil rights movement named Alice Palmer had held the seat for a number of years, but she announced that she wanted to run for Congress. So, Obama seized the opportunity and proclaimed his intention to run for Alice’s open seat.
Well, Alice lost the congressional race and decided that she wanted to hang onto that
hard-won state senate seat. Most of the community leaders tried to persuade Obama to
withdraw and wait his turn; he was a newcomer after all.
Instead Obama performed his first real act of political jujitsu. He sent his aides to the courthouse to carefully examine all of Alice Palmer’s signatures to see if enough could be disallowed to knock her off the ballot altogether. And indeed, some of Alice’s
signatures were fake. The aides also found enough other fake signatures on opponents’
ballot initiatives to knock them off the ballot as well.
By the time Barack Obama walked handily into his state senate seat, everyone there knew him as “the man who knocked off Alice Palmer.” Quite a feat indeed for the newcomer, the young whippersnapper with the odd name.
Perhaps Hillary will win some states and stay in the game a while longer, but I fear this knight with his adoring, fawning followers is just too slick for her and ole Bill, and he seems to know how to play Alinsky ends-and-means hardball without actually breaking the law.
Kyle-Anne Shiver is a frequent contributor to American Thinker.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/obamas_alinsky_jujitsu.html
Thanks for the article, Ben. It is really funny that Paul is trying to tie the economy to Democrats. I don’t think anyone is going to buy that bilge.
I forget what they call the effect (it is named after an unsuccessful black candidate) where people will tell pollsters that they will vote for a black candidate, but then don’t. Whatever it is called, I think Obama will need to have at least a double digit lead before it can be considered a safe lead.
CF,
I think we already knew Pall was a queen-size Kluxie after his 44% black meme.
What effect has the housing crisis had on the market?
Is 100% too high?
Jed,
Indeed. If the hood fits, Paul Rosell should wear it.
Mr_Kia,
Quite in keeping with your “character” that you’d rather scapegoat black people than admit that completely unregulated markets aren’t such a good thing.
Who would you be, Mr_Kia, without black people to blame for the misdeeds of your compadres?
“Franklin” posits Obama was a member of the Manson Family.
I think you have a winner there!
Report back to your handlers how effect that argument is.
You’ve convinced me.
Steven –
The Bradley-Wilder Effect
Thanks, Ben.
Steven – I think that in at least some parts of the country that effect will be diminished. Basically any where that they have had a successful and popular black mayor or governor.
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Speaking of the Bradley Effect, if anyone missed the video that Pre posted on another thread earlier today, herre it is again. Well worth the time to watch!
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Predestined Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:41 am
(video)
Donna Brazile Is Not Going To The Back of The Bus
http://jezebel.com/5059945/donna-brazile-is-not-going-to-the-back-of-the-bus?cpage=2&sort=asc#viewcomments
This is an article from the source that James links to above.
“There’s a lot of frustration among conservatives over how Barack Obama’s radical past seems to be making no impact whatsoever among the American public. His connection to communists in particular, from communist-terrorists like Bill Ayers to the communist agitator-journalist Frank Marshall Davis to fellow travelers like Saul Alinsky, has simply failed to resonate beyond the political right. Quite the contrary, the more information that becomes available on Obama’s radical associations, the more he seems to widen his lead over John McCain, a man who was tortured by communists in Vietnam.
“I understand these frustrations completely. I’m also not surprised.
“I have seen for quite some time that although we won the Cold War — and defeated the Soviet communist empire — America is vulnerable to varying degrees of collectivism, wealth redistribution, “creeping socialism” (Ronald Reagan’s phrase), class-warfare rhetoric, and generally milder, more palatable (but still dangerous) forms of disguised Marxism. Why? How? The answer is simple: The history and truth about communism is not taught by our educators.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/why_obamas_communist_connectio.html
I thought people as crazy as this author only posted on the WE Blog. Amazing!
reggie,
I hate to tell you, but you’re in America! If ACORN wants to register poor young minority voters, they’re entitled to, just as you are free to go out and register all the old rich white bastards, rednecks and religious nutcases you can find!
Hey, “Franklin” –
Try this!
ACORN has tried to register the Manson Family to vote!
Thanks for the video, Linda. That Donna was telling ‘em how it is. We have come a long way.
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bth
Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
Steven – I think that in at least some parts of the country that effect will be diminished. Basically any where that they have had a successful and popular black mayor or governor.
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LOL
Define success. Then name a successfull black mayor or governor.
Or,
ACORN is registering pedophiles to vote for Obama!
Think it is getting bad now! Wait untill all the Dead People and Illegal (Criminal)Ailens elect obama.
Did he really mean to say “His Muslim Faith” or did he just make a mistake? Wait till he makes mistakes that cost us lives.
Too bad all 200 million of us can’t come up with a couple of better candidates.
REPUBLICANS ARE BEING SUCKERED. There is a large contingent of Republican party loyalists that don`t realize they`re being played like violins by Sarah Palin. They are commonly referred to as the “bubbas”. They prefer to have a dictatorial leader who tells them what and how to think. Anyone that exercises the right to disagree with them or their leader is branded a liberal nut job or unpatriotic. Two common traits of these people are an irrational fear of the unknown and, at least at a subconscious level, racism. Judging from my own life experience, if you`re a racist in America, you`re likely Republican. Sarah Palin is playing on their fear, just as George W. Bush did in 2000 & 2004, and perhaps on their subconscious racism. She`s telling them,(or you),that they must be afraid,very afraid (fear fear itself). Don`t be a sucker again to the same old game.
Franklin posted October 10, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Ayers IS a terrorist.
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econ says that the Republican VP candidate is a liar.
From link in header:
Palin: “… a former domestic terrorist …”
Since we understand how interested you are in this subject, a book you should order, Hank:
http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/63hgf5bs9780252072604.html
“Don`t be a sucker again to the same old game.”
You know I have been shaking my head at their current campaign and I am amazed at how much this one is more or less a perfect copy of the last two. I think to myself, ’surely, they don’t think that this will work again’. Who knows though, it may.
Andy Young in Atlanta. I think one of the keys in Atlanta’s development was when we had TWO black candidates. That returned it to issues instead of race.
HLP may not be a racist (although his post would indicate that) but he certainly is ignorant.
McCain can’t call off the pit bull, because that’s all that he has left.
Also, McCain’s disrepectful “that one” comment in the debate is the gift that keeps giving. “That one” bumper stickers, buttons, and shirts are available, to help remind and inform voters about McCain.
Palin called herself a bitch upfront. When somebody tells you who they are (as HLP just did) BELIEVE them!
McCain can say all these things to Obama’s face at the next debate, except that John Sydney McCain is a coward. He sends a girl out to do what he’s not man enough to do himself. At least Palin’s got the guts to speak her mind (albeit twisted), John Sydney McCain is really Mouse Maverick.
Regular
Posted October 10, 2008 at 12:56 pm | Permalink
Obama’s Liberal Shock Troops
Soros and ACORN
By JOHN FUND
July 12, 2008; Page A11
Denver
While he is a skilled candidate, Barack Obama’s ability to surprise, stun and sweep over the vaunted Clinton Machine to capture the Democratic nomination was rooted in his background as a community organizer. He’s now turning those skills to the general election.
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Sarah Palin made fun of Obama for being a community organizer and stated Obama had no experience. McCain compared Obama’s community organizing to Palin’s working in the PTA. Both dismissed Obama as a nobody with no skills.
But yet now we are to believe that Obama has such power as a community organizer that he is ruining America?
Please, Republicans, stop embarrasing yourselves.
>Hank
>Define success. Then name a successfull black mayor or governor.
Name a successful white President from the GOP. In my lifetime these have existed.
Nixon-criminal.
Ford-stumbled, lost to Jimmy Carter.
Reagan— Since we’re still dealing with the Rummy handshake of Saddam, Ronny catering to his terrorism, that’s a legacy ruined. Stock market crashed on Ronny too.
G.H.W Bush-Read his lips, they lied.
G.W.Bush- 8 years under W., it’s come to this, financial embarrassment of Wall Street. He’s ruined America’s image in the world.
Bush family and W. has had friendly Saudi relationships and their richer! W. sold out consumers to the oil barons.
McCain disregards better qualified GOP Governors and Senators for Palin, pandering.
The surge worked when Billions dollars a day leaves this country?
Thank you Linda, and Pre. That video is very good, and should be watched.
Predestined Posted October 10, 2008 at 9:41 am
(video)
Donna Brazile Is Not Going To The Back of The Bus
http://jezebel.com/5059945/donna-brazile-is-not-going-to-the-back-of-the-bus?cpage=2&sort=asc#viewcomments
Mr_Kia
Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
What effect has the housing crisis had on the market?
Is 100% too high?
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And how much did the greed of CEO’s and shady lenders have on the market? There were alot of greedy hands in the till and without regulations, the fox was in charge of the henhouse!
“Please, Republicans, stop embarrassing yourselves.”
mom, wouldn’t they need some level of dignity before they would have a clue about how silly they make themselves?
markhopp
Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
Think it is getting bad now! Wait untill all the Dead People and Illegal (Criminal)Ailens elect obama.
Did he really mean to say “His Muslim Faith” or did he just make a mistake? Wait till he makes mistakes that cost us lives.
Too bad all 200 million of us can’t come up with a couple of better candidates
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You’ve already shown your bias when you said his muslim faith. No need to say anything further – we know where you get your facts.
mom
Posted October 10, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
Mr_Kia
Posted October 10, 2008 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
What effect has the housing crisis had on the market?
Is 100% too high?
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And how much did the greed of CEO’s and shady lenders have on the market? There were alot of greedy hands in the till and without regulations, the fox was in charge of the henhouse!
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There is no Enron in this. It’s a simple failure of Banks because of bad loans. Or rather bad borrowers. Borrowers forced on the Banks by Government policy.
Yes, Linda, you’re right but I did say please…..
Mr_KIA
>There is no Enron in this. It’s a simple failure of Banks because of bad loans. Or rather bad borrowers. Borrowers forced on the Banks by Government policy.
AIG isn’t a bank. Borrowers didn’t cause this, fraud did. Complex mortgage securities offered by destroyed Lehman Bros.
Executives making Hundreds of Millions fleeced these corporations, now they have their hands out for taxpayers to save them.
Consumers are the last to blame for flawed mortgage contracts they signed.
The buying and trading of mortgages got crazy. Overseas corporations holding American mortgages doesn’t make sense.
Mr Kia – do you really not blame the CEO’s for their share of this mess? Do you really not blame the shady lenders for their share in this mess?
Again, if you believe the government had bad policy – then where were YOUR Republicans in all this mess? This financial mess was not started overnight and I seem to remember how many Republicans were all for deregulation. Let’s see Phil Gramm and John McCain were two cheerleaders for more deregulation.
Try as you might, you cannot pin this entire Wall Street mess on the Democrats. Do I think there were some Democats with dirty hands – certainly but Republicans had control of Congress from 1994 to 2006 – they were the ones that dropped the BALL.
As for Enron, I remember George W. Bush supporting Ken Lay in that deal – some leader, huh?
What do you think AIG insures? Mortgages among other things. I hardly think their life insurance business is what cause them to go under.
De-regulation Yes. Let the Banks run their business. They are professionals. They should decide who to give loans of my deposits too. Not some Government program to get people who can’t afford it in a home because it’s the “right thing to do.”
Lend more money to poor people was a Government mandate. Clinton signed the sub-prime policy into law.
The only thing the Republicans should have done was to overturn that and get out of the way.
http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-report/community-reinvestment-act-helped-cause-us-economic-meltdown.html
It’s racist in 3, 2 ……………
As for me, it was the securitization of the mortgages into the various forms of derivatives in an unregulated environment that underlies much of the “crisis”. One can point to “bad mortgages” made to “bad borrowers”, but without the spread of the CDOs and related instruments throughout the global economy, the effects of the bad loans would be more localized, affecting primarily the holders of the mortgages.
I’m not trying to discredit your theories but I don’t think it’s a difficult path to track:
-The mortgage crisis and foreclosures are primarily on the coasts which while more ethinically diverse, I don’t tie race to the issue. It’s affordability. Houses in these areas are far more expensive.
-More borrowers and limited supply of homes caused values to rise way to fast and artificially.
-Loans given for homes at $300,000 are now foreclosed and bank property and for sale at a fraction of that cost. In my old neighborhood in particular in California a home that sold for $335,000 in 2005 is now for sale for $199,000 and bank owned. The bank is stuck with that $100,000 loss. At foreclosure rates in some areas of California for instance as high as 25% it’s bad news for the banks.
‘Rage rising on the McCain campaign trail‘
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/
“Also, the McCains said months ago they didn’t wanted their son Jimmy — a Marine serving in Iraq — dragged into the campaign.
But on Thursday, Cindy McCain brought up her son.
She criticized the Illinois senator for voting against a bill to fund troops in Iraq, a regular line of attack from her husband’s campaign.
“The day that Sen. Obama cast a vote not to fund my son when he was serving sent a cold chill through my body, let me tell you,” she told a Pennsylvania crowd before introducing her husband and his No. 2.
The vote Cindy McCain is referencing came in May 2007, when Obama was one of 14 senators who voted against a war-spending plan that would have provided emergency funds for American troops overseas.
A CNN fact check deemed the charge that Obama voted against troop funding “misleading.”
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Did it send a “cold chill” through her body, when her husband urged Bush to veto the earlier bill that funded American troops overseas, that Obama had voted for? Bush vetoed it.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/fact-check-did-obama-vote-to-cut-funds-for-troops/
Agreed VT – but that is a bit harder to blame 100% on ACORN.
Let’s hope this does get released:
‘Troopergate’ report, at 263 pages, may be released today
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/53735.html
Alaskans on Palin:
Hundreds of Alaskans rally to protest Palin on ‘troopergate’
ANCHORAGE — A protest rally blasting Gov. Sarah Palin’s handling of the state’s so-called troopergate investigation — and calling for the attorney general to resign — drew 1,000 or more people in Anchorage on Saturday.
Protesters chanted “Recall Palin!” as organizers told the crowd to push state legislators to keep after their investigation into the governor’s firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.
The investigator hired by the Legislature is scheduled to present his report on Oct. 10.
“This report needs to be released. Not just for us … it needs to be released for all those people in the Lower 48 who are going to make a decision on Nov. 4,” Democratic blogger Linda Kellen Biegel told hundreds of protesters.
Earlier, hundreds of people lined a nearby street, waving signs that said “Steady on her heels, wobbly on her words” and “Tina Fey would do a better job” at passing cars. A group calling itself Alaskans for Truth organized the event, which at times resembled a Barack Obama campaign rally.
Anchorage singer-songwriter Libby Roderick led the crowd in a chorus of “We’re gonna keep on moving forward” and “Stand tall for Obama,” while Obama volunteers signed up supporters under a nearby tent.
Next to the Obama fliers sat petitions calling for Attorney General Talis Colberg to be removed from his job.
On July 28, the Legislative Council — a bipartisan group of 12 state lawmakers — voted to launch an abuse-of-power investigation into Palin’s firing of Monegan.
Palin initially said she’d cooperate with the investigation. Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain announced Palin as his running mate Aug. 29, and the McCain camp has argued that the investigation became a partisan witchhunt spurred by Democrats.
Colberg is suing to quash the Legislature’s subpoenas of Palin aides in what’s become a turf battle between the state’s executive and legislative branches of government.
Nicole McCullough came to the rally with her grand-niece and grand-nephew — twins born the day before Palin’s youngest son, Trig. McCullough wore a pitbull mask with large red lips, a reference to a Palin’s joke about hockey moms at the Republican National Convention.
A Hillary Clinton supporter earlier in the election, McCullough called Palin “a female Dan Quayle” and carried a sign that read: “Gov. Pitbull, call off your McCain dogs.
It’s a reference to the McCain spokespeople and attorneys, including the self-described “Truth Squad” that’s been defending the governor in regular Anchorage press conferences.
“She’s had a lot of outside lawyers coming into the state … and I think they’re just being in the way of our legislative process,” McCullough said.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/310/story/53183.html
My prediction is it will make no difference to the palinites, but will with the undecided independents, maybe even switch some over to Obama.
Mccain needs to teach his bitch to heel.
“Stand tall for Obama,” while Obama volunteers signed up supporters under a nearby tent.”
No doubt ACORN members!
“I’m not trying to discredit your theories but I don’t think it’s a difficult path to track:…” — Mr. Kia
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Add to that the explanation ksfarmgrrl posted last week of “derivatives,” and you are closer to our problems. It’s what began with the banks selling the loans and is why no one has any idea what the bad loans are worth or how deep this problem goes…
Per ksfarmgrrl, an explanation of derivatives:
Joe goes to the track and bets $2 on a horse.
Two guys standing nearby get into a discussion and Fred says to Sam, “I’ll bet you $5 that Joe wins his bet.”
Next to them are Bill and Bob. Bill says: “I’ll bet you $10 that Fred welshes on his bet if he loses.”
Next to them is Sally. Sally says: “For $3 I’ll guarantee to Bill that if Bob fails to pay off, I’ll make good on the bet.”
Sally then goes to Mary and borrows the $7 needed in case she has to ever pay off and promises to pay back $8. She doesn’t expect to every have to pay since she believes Bob will always make good. So she expects to net $2 no matter what happens to Joe.
A quick calculation indicates that there is now 2+5+10+3+7 = $27 riding on the outcome of the horse race.
“Phantom
Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:34 pm | Permalink
Mccain needs to teach his bitch to heel”
And before any Republics attack Phantom’s terminology: Palin wants to be a Pit Bull. A pit bull is a dog. A female dog is a bitch.
The high brow Libs love to find an excuse to call a woman a bitch. For reference see: bth ‘The Scientist’, and Phantom ‘Empty Sheet’.
She clearly inferred she was a bitch with lipstick, free game, or free k9, that is.
Mr_Kia, from what you are posting, the foreclosures and decline in values resulting therefrom would affect the holders of the mortgages and the loans secured thereby, as well as the value of the real estate in the area (California, in your example) due to the glut on the market from the REO on the banks’ financial statements. Now, to me, this does not explain the totality of a credit market freeze being reported, not only among banks and other institutions in California, but world wide. Without the securitization of the loans, in an attempt to spread risk to minimize the same, the effect of these foreclosures would be relatively local (limited primarily to the U.S.), to include Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and primarily within the real estate lending market. It would not have become, IMHO, an issue in the commercial, e.g., lending market without the purchase of the securities to improve earnings of the purchasers thereof, which securities have become of little to no value as collateral to bolster inter-bank borrowing, and which are seen as impairing the ability of the borrowers (banks and other institutions) to repay the loans.
Bitch is an apt. name for a female pit bull attack dog.
Linda, thanks for reposting kfg’s post which explains the situation as well as it can be done in simple, general terms.
This whole thing might just be an example of the old saying that “No one minds a little pig, but hogs get slaughtered[.]“. Unless, of course, the hogs can gain access to a kindly keeper who will continue to feed them…
Phantom
Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink
Bitch is an apt. name for a female pit bull attack dog.
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Bitch is also a derogatory word to a woman and this is the context you are using it and you know it.
ANTI – it is Palin who wants to be associated with a breed of dog. She ahs brought this upon herself.
No, AV, it’s all Fannie & Freddie, they’ve frozen lending around the globe! And, the kicker is, some guy at Fannie praised Obama, thus it is all Obama’s fault we’re in this quagmire.
bth, you are starting to sound like Chas, it is unbecoming of you.
I might have referred to her as a cow, or a pig, but since she prefers the dog analogy, let’s go with that.
ANTI – coming from the side who keeps calling Obama “Osama Obama” your opinion has zero value.
Poor Baby Obama, is the little woman too tough on him?
Waaah! Waaaaaaggghhhh!
Crybaby.
bth
Posted October 10, 2008 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
ANTI – coming from the side who keeps calling Obama “Osama Obama” your opinion has zero value.
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Ben, I have never called Obama by that name.
”Troopergate’ report, at 263 pages, may be released today’
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/53735.html
“The campaign claimed the Legislative Council’s investigation is politically driven and that Palin replaced Monegan as public safety commissioner because of budget differences.”
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Yeah, Monegan wanted to get more funding to prosecute rape cases.
Rape isn’t bad. . . it’s a way life is created. /sarcasm off
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‘Troopergate’ report’: “French also disputed Van Flein’s statement that the investigator didn’t try to talk to the governor. French said he wrote a letter to Van Flein last month asking to set up the interview.
“That’s just strange he would say that when there is evidence to the contrary,” French said.
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“Strange” is putting it politely. And why didn’t Sarah Palin ask to be interviewed?
The only ’side’ I represent Ben, is myself.
That Donna was telling ‘em how it is. We have come a long way.
I remember those days, from the “white” side, of course. Blacks sat in the back of the bus and at the end of the counter at Woolworths downtown. I asked my dad why, and he just said because that’s the way it was, even though it wasn’t right. I was too young at the time to understand any explanation.
My first encounter with blacks was when I was 11. I went to summer camp (Girl Scouts) and there were two black girls in our group. They had their own tent, only the two of them. I still have an old photo of them and never thought a thing about them not being integrated in with the other girls. They pretty much kept to themselves, but they were nice girls.
Yeah, I remember segregation. I remember when South High was the Rebels and the trouble that caused. I remember when our high school cheerleaders came into Wichita for some kind of meeting and ended up with a brick thrown through their windshield. I remember the riot at KSC of P. And I still don’t have any reason to fear or hate or even dislike blacks.
Racism is learned. I almost feel sorry for those of you who were taught it, but it’s inexcusable. It can be UNlearned.
MaxGrobnik posted October 10, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Poor Baby Obama, is the little woman too tough on him?
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Ask the undecided, and McCain supporters, who decide to vote for Obama because of her stupid, baseless attacks.
“”Kill him!” proposed one man in the audience. ”
I guess this would be more to ANTI’s liking.
pre-d – having been raised in the Jim Crow South I agree with you 100%. I recall the trouble I caused when I offered my seat on a bus to a lady carrying groceries one day. Just one of the reasons I was called a “ni**er-loving commie”
That was also during the time of this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Wanted_for_treason.jpg
bth
Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:01 pm | Permalink
“”Kill him!” proposed one man in the audience. ”
I guess this would be more to ANTI’s liking.
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Wow! I guess they will let any idiot become a scientist….Education has really went down hill.
bth, I am much younger than you and do not see racism all around me as you do. I do not suffer from ‘white guilt’. I have been taught to treat people fairly and to look at their actions as a measure of character.
I am sorry that so many of your generation are tied to the issues of years past. You need to move on.
mom
Bush first called for the reform of Fannie and Freddie in 2001.
In 2005, McCain said that Fannie and Freddie would lead to huge losses, to taxpayers, and problems in the financial markets.
Democrats in Congress blocked every attempt at reform.
These are the historical facts.
““He conveyed to me,” Mr. Monegan said, “that he and Sarah did not think the investigation into Wooten had been done well enough and that they were not happy with the punishment. Todd was clearly frustrated.”
Mr. Palin noted Trooper Wooten’s divorce case but dwelt on the moose kill, even showing photographs of the dead animal, Mr. Monegan recalled. The commissioner said he would have his staff evaluate the evidence.
A few days later, Mr. Monegan informed Mr. Palin that the issues raised at the meeting had been addressed in the suspension. The case was closed. ”
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Ahhh . . . now you can see what really went on. Palin wanted Monegan to actually hunt and kill trooper Wooten.
The conversation went like this:
“Commissioner Monegan, doncha see this picture of a dead Woote . . . I mean moose? Now, wouldn’t you like me to bake you a nice Woote . . . I mean moose pie? We’re going to take the unifo . . .pelt, and make some nice mukluks. Gster says he wants a pair for his motorcycle, and he’s a nice Christian boy, so I’m sending him some. I can make a pair for you, if you get my drift. Now you be a good commissioner, and take care of this Woote . . . moose mess, and you can keep your job.”
Every word Donna Brazile said should be listened to and thought about, but these comments made me smile really BIG!
“My black skin does not make me inferior. Might I add, being a female does not make me dumb.”
“I can sit here on this stage with these men and if I had time later this afternoon we could all go to my house and I could cook for them.”
And, at the very end, (paraphrasing now) when she said, she wasn’t going back, she was moving forward and then said, “Come with us!”
That’s the kind of world I want to see. One where the color of a person’s skin, sex, sexual persuasion, religious belief, economic status, etc. isn’t defining beyond the obvious.
Obama’s first political fund raiser was in the home of Dohrn and Ayers.
Dohrn praised Charles Manson and the Manson murders.
Again, this is an historical fact.
bth,
I was raised here in Wichita, by parents who simply refused to acknowlege that systemic racism existed, and so I have never been able to make any real sense of it. My mom always taught me as a kid to address any adult as “Sir” or Ma’am,” and I remember using that form when speaking to black people, and getting a funny little smile in return that I didn’t understand until years later when I confronted hard-core racism.
Hmmm… I suppose that my comment would be; there will always be nuts in this world. But you should not have to censor your own political free speech based on a fear that some dumba$$ is going to take it wrong.
And if someone shouts something hateful out at a rally, is it any different than the same, and worse, being posted on a wacko web site?
Selective outrage.
“ANTI” gives us –
“Education has really went down hill.”
Grammar education anyway.
ANTI
Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:11 pm | Permalink
bth, I am much younger than you and do not see racism all around me as you do. I do not suffer from ‘white guilt’. I have been taught to treat people fairly and to look at their actions as a measure of character.
I am sorry that so many of your generation are tied to the issues of years past. You need to move on.
I have moved on. But I also learned lessons from history. I feel sorry that so many of your generation are so ignorant of history. You need to learn.
“Wow! I guess they will let any idiot become a scientist….Education has really went down hill.”
Contact the KSBTP and have them yank my license.
Not ignorant, I just don’t try to pin every disagreement, dirty look, or insult on racism. Doing that just promotes unnecessary hatred.
“ANTI” adds –
“I am sorry that so many of your generation are tied to the issues of years past. You need to move on.”
After a couple of weeks of Bill Ayers rants?!
You must have the attention span of sparrow.
Someone should plot a graph of the shrillness of econ’s (and similar ilk) posts, versus Obama’s rise in the polls and electoral estimates.
Now MonkeyHawk, YOU are posting my comments. ;-) (Even tho I can type fast!)
Monkey, you have posted more “N” references and sexist statements than any poster here. You don’t have room to talk.
The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to make risky loans or face fines, civil suits, and even possible, criminal charges.
ACORN, a group Obama is directly affiliated with, was involved in protests and lawsuits against lenders who did not wnat to make this risky loans.
Good work, “Franklin” –
Your “Obama was a member of the Mason Family” issue is a real winner!
There is no doubt, among economists or financial pros, that our current economic mess was caused by the sub prime mortgage defaults.
There is no doubt that the Democrat Party forced the Sub-prime mortgage industry into existence, in the first place.
Most of the companies that are having problems are having problems because THEY DID WHAT CONGRESS AND THE COURTS (And Obama’s ACORN) TOLD THEM TO DO!
“ANTI” –
You sure about that?
I demand a recount!
Everything we are saying is true, liberals.
Obama, and the Congressional Black Caucus, pushed for politically correct, affirmative action based mortgages.
Obama’s ACORN protested at banks and lenders who would not make these loans.
Obama’s ACORN brought lawsuits against lenders who would not make these loans.
In addition to forcing horrible mortgage loans, Obama also is friends with quite a few radical nut cases.
Michelle Obama used to work at the same law firm with Bernadine Dohrn.
Barack Obama used to be employed by terrorist William Ayers.
All of this is true.
Bitch is an apt term to describe Palin, ask any woman.
outlander posted October 10, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Hmmm… I suppose that my comment would be; there will always be nuts in this world. But you should not have to censor your own political free speech based on a fear that some dumba$$ is going to take it wrong.
And if someone shouts something hateful out at a rally, is it any different than the same, and worse, being posted on a wacko web site?
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It is very different. The candidate is standing on the stage at the rally.
The candidate’s comments triggered the “hateful” response.
The candidate has a responsibilty to respond to the “hateful” remark, such as “kill him!”. Not responding is condoning the remark.
“Franklin” –
Yup. The poor are so damned powerful to crush the world’s economy.
And debt swaps and derivatives had nothing to do with it.
You’re on much sounder ground with your “Obama was in the Manson Family” tack.
Truthfully, this woman would prefer any number of other ways to criticize Palin. There are so many choices! I can’t find anything positive about her as a politician but prefer to stay away from the personal. My first criticism would be that she has extremely poor judgment! She thinks she is ready to be vice president of the U.S. That kind of thinking shows she is (at least) deluded.
Democrats caused the mortgage default crises:
http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace
CEO of Fannie calls the Congressional Black Caucus “The conscience of Fannie Mae”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0
Yup, “Franklin” –
Only inner city poor people scrambled to flip South Beach condos in Florida and California McMansions.
You’re better off with your “Obama was part of the Manson Family” argument. It has more credibility.
linda
“he thinks he is ready to be president of the U.S. That kind of thinking shows he is (at least) deluded.”
This would be an even more accurate statement for Obama. How can you even make that statement with with a straight keyboard?
Terrorist William Ayers actually helped to fund Obama’s “community organizer” job, to begin with.
Later, when Ayers hired Obama to run one of his foundations, Obama sent money to ACORN and other radical, criminal and terrorist groups.
Terrorist Ayers and Obama did not give money directly to the schools.
Ayers believes that some things are more important than math and english.
Ayers wanted to teach kids to be political activists and shock troops for the local political machines.
The Chicago Schools have some of the highest drop out rates in the country.
Chicago Schools have some of the highest homicide rates in the country.
25% of Chicago school teachers make more than $100,000.00 per year.
Chicago students spend less time, in the classroom, than kids in any other school district in the nation.
Obama and Ayers spent millions of dollars on “education” and — since that time? Things have gotten worse!
Obama and Ayers want to train political activists for their social revolution.
Obama and Ayers do not care if their shock troops can’t read or write.
Keep going econ. . . make your graph impressive.
Someone should plot a graph of the shrillness of econ’s (and similar ilk) posts, versus Obama’s rise in the polls and electoral estimates.
I hear that 105% of Indianapolis, IN is registered to vote. How patriotic can you get, sending post-mortem ballots!
Looks like ACORN’s community organizers have been there, now accused of voter fraud in 15 states this election, including Kansas City, MO, using taxpayer funds as well as Obamanation’s presidential campaign funds. Obamanation denies any ACORN ties since 1992, of course.
Looks like Obamanation’s ACORN organizers bear much of the blame for forcing up high-risk minority mortgages in the mortgage meltdown, too.
Did Obamanation and his leftist cohorts deliberately put the finance industry in the toilet just before the federal election, trying to gain a political advantage?
Yep. They had the motive, the opportunity, and the lack of moral fiber to do so.
Let’s get really ugly.
Heckler, that’s why we each get a vote, because there is a choice to be made. I will use mine and I’m guessing you will use yours.
Obviously, Franklin is a graduate of the Chicago school system as he, neither, can read or write. He can copy/paste with anybody, though.
Hey. Frank, ain’t it time for your meds? That combo of Thorazine and Quaaludes does wonders for you.
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Franklin
Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
CEO of Fannie calls the Congressional Black Caucus “The conscience of Fannie Mae”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0
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Actual human beings call Franklin, “Crazier than a moose in heat.”
JM
You might note; no one is refuting what Franklin is posting.
Paul, do you have dinner parties at your house?
If you do create that list Sins of Obama and pass them out.
Make sure the past of every person attending too. They must think like you. Didn’t come from Chicago schools, educationally worse off than you.
Obama voters, deny them entrance.
One day someone from your dinner party could run for public office and your name gets lumped into the damnation associations.
Your a cheerleader for Bush and GOP during one of the worst economical times in America.
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parkay
Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:51 pm | Permalink
I hear that 105% of Indianapolis, IN is registered to vote. How patriotic can you get, sending post-mortem ballots!
Looks like ACORN’s community organizers have been there, now accused of voter fraud in 15 states this election, including Kansas City, MO, using taxpayer funds as well as Obamanation’s presidential campaign funds. Obamanation denies any ACORN ties since 1992, of course.
Looks like Obamanation’s ACORN organizers bear much of the blame for forcing up high-risk minority mortgages in the mortgage meltdown, too.
Did Obamanation and his leftist cohorts deliberately put the finance industry in the toilet just before the federal election, trying to gain a political advantage?
Yep. They had the motive, the opportunity, and the lack of moral fiber to do so.
Let’s get really ugly.
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I see Franklin’s tactics are working: Republicans, who are not known for intelligence, are now riding the Franklin train to nowhere, and half the tracks are missing.
RABIES
October 10, 2008 8:18 AM
Our friend David Brooks, writing in today’s New York Times, expands on his remarks earlier this week that Sarah Palin is a “fatal cancer” for the GOP. In a typically thoughtful piece, Brooks traces the history of conservatism, which began as a movement grounded in ideas.
That movement, he writes, has morphed into the modern Republican Party, which today amounts to a cacophony of divisive, anti-elitist rabble-rousing from politicians utterly devoid of sophisticated thinking and historical understanding.
Yep. It is that harsh–and Brooks isn’t alone. In the past few days, conservative columnists and editorials boards are taking direct aim at McCain/Palin. If you compiled columns this week from David Frum, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan and the editorial board of the National Review, here’s what you’d get:
McCain is “self-destructing,” careening from mistake to mistake (Frum) and engaging in reckless political pandering (National Review). He has unleashed a pit bull of a running mate, who is deliberately trafficking in dangerous demagoguery that is stirring frightening racial sentiments in some crowds (Parker). He is on a losing strain (Noonan).
As Noonan warns Republicans: “When your crowds go from ‘I love you’ to ‘I hate the other guy,’ you are in trouble.”
And the emerging leader of this angry and adrift GOP? Brooks says no person better personifies today’s Party than Palin the Pit Bull, whose lipstick is now completely obscured by foam:
“No American politician plays the class-warfare card as constantly as Palin,” Brooks writes. “Nobody so relentlessly divides the world between the ‘normal Joe Sixpack American’ and the coastal elite.
“She is another step in the Republican change of personality. Once conservatives admired Churchill and Lincoln above all—men from wildly different backgrounds who prepared for leadership though constant reading, historical understanding and sophisticated thinking,” Brooks continues. “Now those attributes bow down before the common touch.”
But this shift has consequences, Brooks writes. Republicans have lost not only the support of the coastal elites, but the educated ones across the entire country. Entire professions of doctors, lawyers, tech executives and, get this, investment bankers, now donate by overwhelming margins to the Democratic Party. As Brooks says, it took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.
That means, Brooks says, the party is “squeezed at both ends,” losing the working class because it has failed to develop economic policies and losing the educated class by telling members “to go away.”
That doesn’t leave much middle ground–or many voters who will decide this election.
The house and condo flipping are a big part of the meltdown. Add speculators into the mix, and you’ve got a winne— oops, loser.
Nope, “Heckler” –
I believe everything “Franklin” posts.
The poor are responsible for the collapse of the world economy and derivative-traders and debt-swappers had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Wall Street investment bankers are the real victims. AIG execs almost missed out on their $500,000 spa weekend had the government not come to the rescue!
Oh, the humanity!
Do your part, “Heckler.” Go down to a barrio or the ‘hood and kick a poor person in the groin. The viability of a Bentley dealership is at stake!
Hey mccain and palin, the GOP just called, and they want their party back!
This is worth repeating:
Republicans have lost not only the support of the coastal elites, but the educated ones across the entire country. Entire professions of doctors, lawyers, tech executives and, get this, investment bankers, now donate by overwhelming margins to the Democratic Party. As Brooks says, it took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.
And now you know why Obama is raising 5 x’s the amount of money that McCain is.
“You might note; no one is refuting what Franklin is posting.”
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Franklin? What does he post? Does anyone read that stuff? Ya know, his nic is at the beginning and reading further is not necessary.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:51 pm | Permalink
Keep going econ. . . make your graph impressive.
Someone should plot a graph of the shrillness of econ’s (and similar ilk) posts, versus Obama’s rise in the polls and electoral estimates.
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It would be a ‘hockey stick” graph.
This coming 3 1/2 weeks will be wild.
The Republican Party is left with the gun nuts and the Bible thumpers. Bad for them great for Democrats.
econ,
Isn’t someone who encourages violence against other people a “terrorist”?
‘McCain’s attacks fuel dangerous hatred‘
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story
“John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as “not one of us,” I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.
At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, “Kill him!” At one of your rallies, someone called out, “Terrorist!” Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered. At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee – an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.
Shame!”
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Stop! Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs.
John McCain, you’re walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out “Terrorist” or “Kill him,” history will hold you responsible for all that follows.”
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More at link.
When you lose Peggy Noonan to Obama, you’ve lost period/game over.
Palin’s plan:
It is probably time for Rush Limbaugh to retire with his millions. Palin can then do her own right-wing radio talk show.
Ben,
LOL!
And a “hockey stick” is appropriate, re the “hockey mom”, and her denial of AGW.
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Heckler
Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
JM
You might note; no one is refuting what Franklin is posting.
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You don’t have to refute b**l s**t, all you have to do is flush it down.
Obama is responsible for Obama hanging around with terrorists.
Only Obama can apologize for his poor choice of friends.
Next time, mccain, when you want a running (or walking) mate, make sure she’s thoroughly vetted, and preferable spayeded, before you take her home to Arizona to meet the family.
It’ll save you a lot of grief!
Obama and Williams Ayers are joined at the hip.
Ayers helped make Obama’s political career possible.
Ayers is a terrorist.
Obama KNEW that Ayers was a terrorist, and Obama accepted political contributions from Ayers.
Obama KNEW that Ayers was a terrorist, and Obama accepted a job offer from Ayers.
We let Franklin’s comments speak for themselves! ROFL
cosmos_originally
Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink
Someone should plot a graph of the shrillness of econ’s (and similar ilk) posts, versus Obama’s rise in the polls and electoral estimates.
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Bingo!
I’ve been mulling this over all week, too.
I have a hunch that the correlation between the McCain/Palin ticket’s wild and irrational attacks on Obama’s character and the McCain/Palin ticket’s poll numbers approaches minus one.
Of course it assumes that the current banking crisis has produced a clarity in even the average voter’s that was totally absent in 2004, but I do have faith in the common American. But…would that be cool or what? To have the kinds of GOP shenanigans we’ve seen in this century finally begin to look like a petard rather than an elevator?
Yeah baby!
It will be interesting to see polling results in the next week or so!
Liberals
you are all hypocrites!
You DEMAND that McCain behave in a certain way, you DEMAND that McCain not use harsh words —
Yet you allow Obama to associate with people who hate America, bomb buildings, praise the Charlie Manson “family” and work to destroy America?
Again, you are hypocrites!
When has Obama ever told the Rev. Wright, Ayers, Dohrn or anyone else, on the left, to “tone down” THEIR rhetoric?
Labor warns McCain about crowds
The head of the nation’s biggest labor federation is joining the chorus of voices warning about the increasingly angry crowds coming to John McCain’s campaign events.
At rallies this week, McCain’s criticisms of Democrat Barack Obama have been met with shouts of “terrorist,” “liar,” and other harsh words.
“Sen. John McCain, Gov. Sarah Palin and the leadership of the Republican party have a fundamental moral responsibility to denounce the violent rhetoric that has pervaded recent McCain and Palin political rallies,” said John Sweeney, president of the AFL-CIO, which has endorsed Obama. “When rally attendees shout out such attacks as ‘terrorist’ or ‘kill him’ about Sen. Barack Obama, when they are cheered on by crowds incited by McCain-Palin rhetoric — it is chilling that McCain and Palin do nothing to object.
“In a world where unspeakable violence is too often promulgated by extremists, it is no small or trivial matter to call someone a terrorist — or to incite potentially dangerous individuals toward violence,” Sweeney said in a statement. “John McCain, Sarah Palin and Republican leaders are walking a very thin line in pretending not to hear the hateful invectives spewed at their rallies. McCain should end this line of attack in the strongest possible terms. Anything less puts McCain in the same camp as the racists and extremists who are bringing their angry rhetoric to his campaign events.”
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/labor_warns_mcc.html
Shame!
John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W. Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service. You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.
You have changed. You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.
‘Labor warns McCain about crowds‘
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/labor_warns_mcc.html
“The head of the nation’s biggest labor federation is joining the chorus of voices warning about the increasingly angry crowds coming to John McCain’s campaign events.
At rallies this week, McCain’s criticisms of Democrat Barack Obama have been met with shouts of “terrorist,” “liar,” and other harsh words.
“Sen. John McCain, Gov. Sarah Palin and the leadership of the Republican party have a fundamental moral responsibility to denounce the violent rhetoric that has pervaded recent McCain and Palin political rallies,” said John Sweeney, president of the AFL-CIO, which has endorsed Obama. “When rally attendees shout out such attacks as ‘terrorist’ or ‘kill him’ about Sen. Barack Obama, when they are cheered on by crowds incited by McCain-Palin rhetoric — it is chilling that McCain and Palin do nothing to object.
“In a world where unspeakable violence is too often promulgated by extremists, it is no small or trivial matter to call someone a terrorist — or to incite potentially dangerous individuals toward violence,” Sweeney said in a statement. “John McCain, Sarah Palin and Republican leaders are walking a very thin line in pretending not to hear the hateful invectives spewed at their rallies. McCain should end this line of attack in the strongest possible terms. Anything less puts McCain in the same camp as the racists and extremists who are bringing their angry rhetoric to his campaign events.” “
Paul – you are an idiot. McCain’s people are calling for “Kill him” TODAY! These are just like those I saw going into 1963.
Paul – you have to be the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen – bar none!
“Heckler
Posted October 10, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
JM
You might note; no one is refuting what Franklin is posting.”
If we tried to keep up with the paid shiils garbage we would be doing nothing but rebutting his nonsense.
econ posted October 10, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Liberals
you are all hypocrites!
You DEMAND that McCain behave in a certain way, you DEMAND that McCain not use harsh words —
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Actually, Obama has DARED McCain to continue the attacks.
It’s probably difficult to control the R skinheads in the crowd.
I hope McCain and Palin continue the mud-slinging. They seem to be digging themselves deeper into the slime with every throw. I hope they take the rest of the Pupublic Party down with them.
A reminder: In July, 2004, John Kerry had a 7 percentage point lead over George W. Bush. It is not time for complacency.
The above from the free Michael Moore movie that is available on line. The title is “Slacker Uprising”.
I wonder what people around the world think about McCain’s campaign, and his supporters?
‘McCain-Palin Supporters Gone Wild‘
http://www.nytimes.com/external/gigaom/2008/10/10/10gigaom-mccain-palin-supporters-gone-wild-9806.html
“A video titled The McCain-Palin Mob is the No. 3 most-discussed video on YouTube today, with more than 675,000 views since it was posted Wednesday. In the clip, Ohio rally-goers tell blogger Tim Russo (who’s behind the camera) they have reason to believe Obama is a terrorist. Russo’s questioning is clearly aimed at putting his subjects on the defensive, but they take it to another level, in particular one woman who keeps pushing her way back on camera. “
No Franklin. McCain can continue to be irresponsible and erratic. He must also be willing to accept consequences for once in his life.
To continue the hateful and rascist attacks is his right but he must also accept the responsibility. Anyone can yell fire in a crowded theatre but if there are tragic consequences for doing so, one can be charged with a crime.
Franklin posted a blog which quotes Beradine Dohrn as relishing the Manson murders. The date of her remarks was 1969. Senator Obama, who is 46, was born in 1962. So I guess the 7 year old kid was a real violent member of the Weathermen at that time, huh!
Governor Palin supports Genocide in Darfur!!!
Informed by ABC News that she holds an investment in a mutual fund that owns shares in companies that human rights organizations say help the government of Sudan, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Friday said through a spokesman that she will divest from that mutual fund.
According to financial disclosure forms Palin released last week (read them HERE), Palin owns up to $15,000 in Legg Mason International Equities, which the McCain-Palin campaign specified is the Legg Mason International Equity Fund (LGIEX).*
That Fund owns shares in two companies the Genocide Intervention Network labels “highest offenders” because, in that organization’s judgment, they empower the government of Sudan at the expense of the country’s marginalized populations.
Palin – from someone who knows her:
far from being a fiscal conservative, Palin left Wasilla in debt, was intolerant of “divergent opinions” and “has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/52029.html
bth
What’s the difference between a paid shill and an unpaid shill?
If what they spill is a lie it should be easy to refute. Franklin makes simple fact based statement’s with little to no wiggle room. And all you have is to call him/her a paid shill.
weak
And “Franklin” supports domestic terrorist Shelly Shannon.
Heckler,
So is Sarah Palin a liar? Or econ(franklin)?
From link in header:
Palin: “… a former domestic terrorist …”
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Franklin posted October 10, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Ayers IS a terrorist.
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Heckler,
The problem is this: McCain sez Obama’s a terrorist, and it’s infinitely weaker.
This requires the reader to believe that the Democrat half of the USA is in bed with OBL. This is patently, obviously, on its face ridiculous. Prima facie. It robs half the nation of its patriotism, and right up front. Ridiculous as in “it is boomeranging” on McCain in the polls. As it should.
They are Americans, through and through, and just as loyal as you. Why in the world could you belive differently?!?
McCain’s accusation is the logical equivalent of the Democrats’ “Bush is a liar.” (Bush is a disconnected POTUS, for sure, and frequently mistaken…but a liar?!? I don’t think that’s EVER been proven, right?)
Can’t McCain or Palin — or you — see this, and do better?
And now, it’s the desperate, two-faced, flip-flop strategy!
Make some vicious attacks on Obama for days, let your supporters yell “kill him”, etc. . . and then claim that you admire and respect him.
‘McCain urges supporters to calm down‘
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5itVBHZWkVuZh7VopW_QPbsx7DoOQ
“Republican John McCain Friday urged his supporters to stop hurling abuse against Barack Obama at his rallies, saying he admired and respected his Democratic rival.”
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Did McCain get some poll numbers that showed the attacks were hurting him?
So what that William Ayers was a “domestic terrorist” 40 years ago…obviously he has grown up, mended his ways, and been a contributing memeber of society for years. Obama was only 7 years old when he Ayers was making his life mistakes.
Where is the forgiveness that Jesus taught? So all you good Christians don’t believe that a person can be redeemed? Obviously you’ve forgiven McCain for leaving his wife (who waited years for him while he was a POW) to marry the rich “other woman”. Obviously you’ve forgiven McCain for his involvement in the savings and loan scandal.
No, You’d rather try to trash Obama’s character and break the 8th commandment by spreading lies about him.
So where are your Christian values that you wear on your sleeve for the world to see?
McCain is playing good cop, bad cop….he wants to look like the nice guy while he sics his wife and his pitbull on Obama.
How transparent.
“Republican John McCain Friday urged his supporters to stop hurling abuse against Barack Obama at his rallies, saying he admired and respected his Democratic rival.”
I just saw this on the news. WTF?!?!?
I’m going to hope that John McCain has realized that he’s whipped his supporters into such a frenzy that somebody is going to get killed. republicans are scared to death right now. There’s just no telling what they’ll do.
We don’t need another assassination.
There was a time when John McCain was a good man. Let’s hope that a good man did the right thing today, even though his supporters booed him. Maybe he’s a maverick after all.
“Maybe he’s a maverick after all.”
Oh please….the Republicans have turned into a bunch of rapid dogs foaming at the mouth because they’re losing this election. John McCain has done his share with all his character asassination and lies.
At some of these rallies and with some posters here, we are seeing the real ugly inside every Republican.
XXX
Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:36 pm | Permalink
There was a time when John McCain was a good man. Let’s hope that a good man did the right thing today, even though his supporters booed him. Maybe he’s a maverick after all.
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I guess we’ll see (all of us).
BTW, anybody else here hopin’ Dave Caruso (Mary’s husband) has an easily accessible safe room? :wink:
(just kiddin Mary…I think)
(Dave watch yer back ya lucky bastid!)
Dave knows my bark is worse than my bite. And for the first time we’re voting for the same person!
Sweet!
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 10, 2008 at 7:18 pm | Permalink
So what that William Ayers was a “domestic terrorist” 40 years ago…obviously he has grown up, mended his ways, and been a contributing memeber of society for years. Obama was only 7 years old when he Ayers was making his life mistakes.
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Mary are you willfully blind to the fact that what he did with Obama was eight isn’t the point. What he said on 9/11/01 was. He isn’t sorry he bombed the pentagon, the capital, the NY police dept., a federal judges house – he is just sorry he didn’t do more.
Dim is starting to look like a complement to some of you. You don’t even rise to that level.
When doing the right thing, McCain gets booed by his own supporters:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_angry_crowds
This is an Alaskan blogger’s “take” on the portion of the independent investigator’s report on Troopergate.
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The Legislative Council has voted unanimously to release the public portion of the report!
Findings:
Finding Number One:
For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides
“The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”
Finding Number Two:
I find that, although Walt Monegan’s refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin’s firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads.
Finding Number Three:
Harbor Adjustment Service of Anchorage, and its owner Ms. Murleen Wilkes, handled Trooper Michael Wooten’s workers’ compensation claim properly and in the normal course of business like any other claim processed by Harbor Adjustment Service and Ms. Wilkes. Further, Trooper Wooten received all the workers’ compensation benefits to which he was entitled.
Finding Number Four:
The Attorney General’s office has failed to substantially comply with my August 6, 2008 written request to Governor Sarah Palin for information about the case in the form of emails.
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
Cos,
“John McCain, you’re walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out “Terrorist” or “Kill him,” history will hold you responsible for all that follows.”
Now Cos, how could Sen. McCane possibly be held to account for the actions of some poor disturbed souls just because he incited them? After all, they weren’t forced to assassinate his opponent, merely encouraged to do so!
If my grandmother was on a blog insulting people all of the time – calling them “Dims”, etc., I would be mortified. I feel sorry for grandchildren, germ.
Mary,
“So all you good Christians don’t believe that a person can be redeemed?”
Of course a soul can always be redeemed; all that is required is that he simply and mindlessly support the approved candidates and issues. Absolution is for sale at your nearest polling place.
Chicago Magazine reported that “just before the September 11th attacks,” Richard Elrod, a city lawyer injured in the Weathermen’s Chicago “Days of Rage,” received an apology from Ayers and Dohrn for their part in the violence. “[T]hey were remorseful,” Elrod says. “They said, ‘We’re sorry that things turned out this way.’”[18] In the months before Ayers’ memoir was published on September 10, 2001, the author gave numerous interviews with newspaper and magazine writers in which he defended his overall history of radical words and actions. Some of the resulting articles were written just before the September 11 terrorist attacks and appeared immediately after, including one often-noted article in The New York Times, and another in the Chicago Tribune. Numerous observations were made in the media comparing the statements Ayers was making about his own past just as a dramatic new terrorist incident shocked the public.
Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir’s publication.[19] The reporter quoted him as saying “I don’t regret setting bombs” and “I feel we didn’t do enough”, and, when asked if he would “do it all again” as saying “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”[14] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer’s characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: “This is not a question of being misunderstood or ‘taken out of context’, but of deliberate distortion.”[20]
In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had “no regrets” and that “we didn’t do enough” he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as “. . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade.”[21] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.[21][22]
The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers’ own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio’s 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: “[Ayers] was ‘embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.’ “[14] “We weren’t terrorists,” Ayers told an interviewer for the Chicago Tribune in 2001. “The reason we weren’t terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States.”[2]
In a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune, Ayers wrote, “I condemn all forms of terrorism — individual, group and official”. He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. “Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response.”[23]
“Dim is starting to look like a complement to some of you. You don’t even rise to that level.”
Once again, okobserver is displaying her Christian values.
What do we complement? Would we go well with blue? Or did she mean compliment? Who knows, who cares.
Have you noticed that most of the right wing bloggers can’t even make an intelligent argument at this point in the election? Like McCain/Palin, they just stoop to insults and character asassination…it’s all they have left. Sad.
Mostly I want to NOT be over confident! It is 3 weeks and 3 days until the election. It ain’t over until the fat lady sings and I haven’t even found the key yet. ;-)
If I get to sing I promise I’ll do it as quietly as possible.
Jed,
You answered your own question.
Isnt Franklin friends with people in Operation Rescue? Lots of them are America hating terrorists themselves. So Franklin is a terrorist?
‘McCain booed after trying to calm anti-Obama crowd‘
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i4OpiwXT-cn2aMmpTpiUVElig0FgD93NULBO1
“Palin, at a fundraiser in Ohio on Friday, told supporters “it’s not negative and it’s not mean-spirited” to scrutinize Obama’s iffy associations.
But Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania an author of 15 books on politics, says the vitriol has been encouraged by inflammatory words from the stage.
“Red-meat rhetoric elicits emotional responses in those already disposed by ads using words such as ‘dangerous’ ‘dishonorable’ and ‘risky’ to believe that the country would be endangered by election of the opposing candidate,” she said. “
Jesus wept. What a day…
The Dow swings 1000 points, and paulie is STILL blaming it all on “libruls made us loan money to colored people”.
Poor people control the stock market, according to paulie. Funny, but I’ve YET to see him post the language in the CRA that FORCED lenders to make “risky” loans. But I know better than to even ask him for proof. He has none, and ignores all such requests.
Then McCoot admits Obama is not an “A-Rab” or a terrorist. But NONE of the cons, like paulie and Reg, who CONSTANTLY insists Obama IS a Muslim and an A-rab, are willing to acknowlege that.
Is McCoot just wrong, and all you kookaide drinkers are right? Or.. could it be… you are wrong and Mcsame is right?
THEN McCoot gets BOOED for god’s sake by his own crowds when he says Obama is a decent man?
I mean… Ya just cant make this stuff UP!!!!
Then, Bible Spice is nailed, by a… wait for it…a bi-partisan investigation, for abusing her power and allowing her husband to use the resources of the governor’s office for a personal matter, violating a statute.
And the wingnuts say it’s no big deal? hehhehehe.
And Heckie wonders why no one is refuting paulie’s scroll overs?
Hell, there’s so much to post about today, why bother with him or his insane postings?
And like Linda, I think most of us just see his nic and scroll right over. Kinda like all the ACORN cut and pastes. Or the Ayers cut and pastes, or the “obama is an A-rab” cut and pastes.
And besides, every time I read paulie’s posts from the fringe… I am usually LAUGHING so hard when I reach the end…I have NO ENERGY to point out the insanity.
Besides, his posts are kinda like a good joke. If you have to explain it, it’s kinda not as funny….
Heheheheheheheh. I think Monkeyhawk is right. Paulie was better off posting that obama was a Mason, er Manson supporter. It has more credibility than the Ayers and A-rab stuff.
I do think there is a danger for Obama’s folks to be overconfident in the next three weeks. I expect a HUGE Bradley effect. And if McCoot appears contrite enough, he may get a few “undecided” er, sympathy votes.
And in all the insanity, as the buschco nightmare comes to a close, everyone seems to have forgotten that DIEBOLD is still lurking out there…
I think paulie associates with cheryl sullenger too, doesnt he?
Those who are guilty by association should not call attention to anyone else’s associations.
And let me remind everyone, this same hatred and frenzy that the GOP has worked up about A-rabs, Muslims and colord folks is EXACTLY the same hatred spark they nurtured and blew into a FLAME about gay people in 2004.
Welcome to the second act in the play of fear, loathing, and scape goat politics.
Oh, and on the FLAME thing? heheheh No pun intended regarding gay folks and the spike in hatred we’ve had thrown at us since KKKarl Rove realized it was ok to trash the queers.
Welcome to our world….
“(Obama)’s a decent, family man, [a] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign is all about.”
“If you want a fight, we will fight. But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments.” “I just mean to say you have to be respectful” -John McCain
Man, the Eagle sure knows how to get the number of hits on the weblog up.
Just post another Palin Thread, it’s like candy to the libs! It is so obvious that the libs really love her and cannot stand to think a republican woman beat out the Hillary to the election.
If Sarah was wearing blue, and had been introduced by Obama, they’d be salviating over her.
Thomas Frank edifies us:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122342526024513543.html?mod=rss_The_Tilting_Yard
I am grateful.
ACORN and Obama pushed risky loans:
http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/acorn1.htm
ACORN was behind all the speculation, flipping, and McMansions!
NOT!
ACORN invented credit default swaps.
NOT
ACORN invented CDOs.
NOT
ACORN forced Palin to abuse power in Alaska
NOT
Note McCain’s nice big smile in the photo of him and William Daley.
‘GOP ad attacks pol McCain praised‘
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14455.html
Sarah Palin is the best thing that has ever happened to the Republican party and she’s been very courageous to stand up to all the hard knocks she’s been getting lately. I’d like to see just how long Obama would last if he was getting the same treatment. I think she’ll make an awesome VP, or even a prez, if need be. All these hostile liberals who call themselves open-minded can’t even see Sarah’s great qualities just because she doesn’t fit their mold of the ideal female politician (i.e, a liberal feminist). She’s got more class and dignity, and smarts too, than the other three candidates put together! I can’t wait to see her and McCain win in November!
BM,
“If Sarah was wearing blue, and had been introduced by Obama, they’d be salviating over her.”
Obama was smart enough to not introduce Palin!