While viewers surveyed said overwhelmingly that Barack Obama “won” the final debate, John McCain’s campaign argues that the debate was a critical turning point for its candidate, the Washington Post’s The Fix blog reported. The campaign points to several opinion polls showing that McCain has cut into Obama’s lead by gaining support among white men.
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The MSM would not let McCain win a debate. Many of us knew that from the get go.
Easy explanation. Apparently some of the skooshy undecided voters realized that the person that you would vote for for president might not be same one that you would vote in as captain of the debate team.
Anybody that hasn’t made up his or her mind by now is probably stupid enough to go for McCain.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 20, 2008 at 1:54 pm | Permalink
Anybody that hasn’t made up his or her mind by now is probably stupid enough to go for McCain.
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I’ve made up my mind that I’m not voting for either one of them.
What would you expect the McCain campaign to say? I doubt you’re going to hear much negativity when they’re speaking publicly. Why would they? Chin up and all that…
It’s kind of cruel editors, giving false hope to the sheep before the slaughter.
Too bad we can’t have some more debates.
Check out McCain’s “favorable” graphs for the 3 debates.
‘Obama Viewed as Winner of Third Debate
Completes “sweep” of three debates for Obama’
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111256/Obama-Viewed-Winner-Third-Debate.aspx
“McCain has cut into Obama’s lead by gaining support among white men.”
mainly white men in northern Arkansas, who held a ‘rally’ of their own.
“george
Posted October 20, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
The MSM would not let McCain win a debate. Many of us knew that from the get go.” so they drugged him before the final debate and used post-hypnotic suggestion to implant stupid sounding Republican sound bites into his brain so he would be sure to lose.
Damn that MSM!
I suspected something was up when mccain kept making those goofy faces, and when he couldn’t decide which way to go around the table. Damn the MSM, Damn them to hell!
McCain lost debate but won voters?
Maybe he’ll pull a bush, and lose the election, but win the presidency.
You make an excellent point, brian. Where McCain’s support is strong (ie, Kansas) it may be strengthening. However, those SIX electoral votes he would have gotten anyway won’t add more to his total just because more Kansans support him.
Look at any electoral projection map and figure out how few (if any) options McCain has for reaching that magic number of 270.
But ALL those polls could be wrong!
“lindainks55
Posted October 20, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink
Look at any electoral projection map and figure out how few (if any) options McCain has for reaching that magic number of 270.
But ALL those polls could be wrong!”
He may still pull out a win…I think he is still owed some favors by Diebold…
The only people who would have been swayed by the debate are those as angry as he is….there is something about the sarcasim, sneers, divisiveness, and anger that energizes a certain base. They can identify with him.
What a surprise to hear the McCain campaign bragging about getting more white male voters. But for every white man, there are alot more women of all colors who will wipe that one white man’s vote away. It will be an interesting election, that’s for sure.
If only you knew how stupid the heading of your thread reads.
Question your own judgement? Could it be, you were just freaking WRONG? yes.
Mary, sad to say this but I think that sarcasm, sneers, anger and divisiveness is what energizes the so-called Religious Right the most.
Of course, this is the group that uses their God as a weapon. In my opinion, there is nothing more hate-filled than a self-righteous church person.
In my opinion, there is nothing more hate-filled than a self-righteous church person.
Sure there is, a self-righteous atheist or a self-righteous liberal. Notice, I did not say that they were the same.
I disagree, littlejohn. I know lots of people in both camps, and the “atheist liberals” you speak of are much calmer people who can usually discuss issues without their veins popping out on their necks. I’ve had one too many discussions with right wing McCain supporters, and for the most part they just want to shout you down and have no interest at all in listening to anything you have to say. If you don’t believe me, just watch the difference in the crowds around Obama and McCain.
gaining support among white men.
The “Joe the plumber” effect no doubt.
ThereIS a base of such stupid white men prone to vote Republican against their own best interest. Were it not so, Republicans would never win anything.
“ThereIS a base of such stupid white men prone to vote Republican against their own best interest. Were it not so, Republicans would never win anything.”
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On the contrary BJ, most Democrat guys I know are the ones who never competed growing up. As such, they never learned how to win or lose gracefully.
I think that explains why so many are so nasty and personal about politics. I doubt many of the Dem guys here will be ever be accused of being humble winners and/or graceful losers.
Yeah that about says it about you and yours.
Always with the competition.
(ass kissing, back stabbing, selling out, etc)
Never a thought to much MORE worthy cooperation.
Cons, especially working class cons, are three year olds who never grew up. SO they hold on to what little they have and cry Mine! Mine! Mine!
Again, on the contrary BJ, there is not a better teacher of cooperation in pursuit of a goal than team sports. Another very good reason to support the bond issue to improve the athletic facilities at Wichita schools.
I don’t think sinking even more money into school sports is a good use of money with the present economic crisis.
Sorry, Out…but your analogy reminds me more of Republicans than Democrats.
BTW, both my boys were involved in all sports in high school, and they are both very liberal now. They are also kind, intelligent, and can discuss politics with anyone without turning blue in the face.
I completely agree about the value of sports and music and art. I’m not as sold on the thought that each school needs to be huge and that each school needs the latest state-of-the-art phys ed, music, art facilities. Our school population hasn’t grown but where the population exists has shifted. If we had smaller schools with shared PE facilities we could address our needs better.
Plus, this bond issue (like the last) had a committee headed up by the architect who has MUCH to gain in its passing draw up the list of “needs.” Most of the time we would refer to this setup as a conflict of interest.
Martin Libhart, the current acting superintendent has been in charge of facilities in 259 for 20 years. Why are the facilities in such disrepair? What kind of ongoing budget and repairs have been done – or not done? Planning and forecasting enrollments along with maintaining current facilities appears to have been left up to bond issues alone. Why is someone that has been doing this job so poorly for so many years been promoted to act as superintendent??
Why are our schools in need of safe rooms just now? How have we been ensuring safety up to now?
There are well over 200 people employed throughout the district with teaching contracts that DO NOT teach in the classroom. Every Friday morning from 9-12 these “teachers” all meet downtown in the Joyce Focht building on the second floor for a three hour staff meeting! These people are assigned jobs as instructional coaches, campus support, data leaders, etc. They are supposed to be “helping” teaching in the classroom with instructional strategies that benefit kids. In reality they take time away from classroom teachers’ schedules that has been reserved for lesson planning, grading, and communication with parents/students. If the money spent on these salaries were spent on facilities we’d probably have everything on the bond list taken care of.
USD 259 has an online school but current students of a brick and mortar building within the districts are not encouraged to enroll or participate. Why? Because the online school was created as a way to recover tax dollars lost to the district by students living within the 259 district making a choice to home-school. Hundreds of parents that live within the district boundaries choose to home-school their children but need support in doing so. 259 started an online school to support home-schooled children in an effort to reclaim lost tax dollars. All online students are required to show up in person on the day in Sept. called “seat day” when the district counts enrolled students to report to the state for allotment of tax dollars. Why can’t we really use the on-line school?
Only a few comments. I need to stop, I could go on forever…
The election is close! We need another thread on the school bond issue, please Editors. Although I realize the few you’ve offered haven’t drawn poster attention, so maybe a dedicated thread isn’t warranted.
Maybe I can make my points on an Open thread. I’ll do a better job of organizing my thoughts, not get so carried away. This is a big, expensive question voters will be deciding. Everyone should want to discuss this issue, maybe a few will.