Barack Obama will air a 30-minute program at 7 tonight, the first time since Ross Perot that a presidential candidate has aired a prolonged campaign commercial in prime time. Based on the trailer and Obama’s campaign speeches this week, the program will make a closing argument for his campaign and will highlight everyday voters, their everyday troubles and his plans to address them, the New York Times reported. The program will also include a live broadcast from an Obama rally in Florida.
Given that Obama has a lead in polls, is the program a risk? Could it come across as over the top? A “Saturday Night Live” skit had Obama playing it safe by turning the program into a variety show that included a singing Bill Clinton.
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The McCain campaign is PISSED that
1) They didn’t think of it first and
2) They cna’t afford to do the same.
Good move if you ask me. In Michigan on DishNetwork, Obama has leased a channel for the last month with a looping campaign ad. If you got the bucks, you get the air time.
Big Money Obama, he’s got the Change!
So what if it is over the top? So what if he does screw up? So what if Obama does say something stupid or dumb?
The liberal media will not report one bit of it or say one thing about it.
We can hope that maybe those watching will catch it, but who knows.
However, I doubt anything will happen. All he has to do is read the teleprompter and all will be well.
Is it a risk for Obama’s campaign to run a thirty minute prime time show before the World Series on practically every channel?
Hell, yeah!
It’s a risk like getting so many people to vote for your guy it might motivate the other side to work harder is a risk.
That’s a risk I think Obama is willing to take.
:roll:
SolDevVB
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink
The McCain campaign is PISSED that
2) They cna’t afford to do the same.
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Why isn’t Obama sharing his wealth?
Yada Yada. We’ve heard it all before.
The advantage of broken promises. Remember the promise to use public financing and to work with the Republican nominee to do the same, in order to reduce the influence of money in campaigns? Turns out promises are only kept if it is in Obama’s interest to keep them.
Shocked, I am. Oh well.
Just gives one time to do something important, like sort my underwear drawer, before the World Series comes on (weather permitting).
Yeah, but McLame is getting a whole hour on Larry King tonight.
“Why isn’t Obama sharing his wealth?”
Good question. Seems that doing so only applies to others . . . .
Why did Obama break his pledge to only accept public funds?
We have thread after thread where the liberals cry and whine and go on and on about how Tiahrt didn’t hold himself to term limits.
Yet Obama makes a pledge to only accept public funds and he breaks that pledge.
Of course the liberals don’t care, because they have more money now to get their candidate elected.
Principles though? Toss those right out the window.
GMC70
Posted October 29, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink
“Why isn’t Obama sharing his wealth?”
Good question. Seems that doing so only applies to others . . . .
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I’d love to see him or one of his minnions try and address that. Not gonna happen though….
GMC–
When Obama talks about “spreading the wealth around,” he’s not talking about taking money out of your pocket and giving it to poor people.
This is in marked contrast to Bush and the Republicans who DO take money out of your pocket and give it to rich people.
The prime example is the sales tax to build the new arena. Many hundreds of thousands of people in the area paid thousands of dollars in Sedgwick County (I myself paid 200 dollars for the arena simply by buying a new truck at Davis-Moore 3 years ago), when very few of them are wealthy enough to buy tickets for events there.
On the other hand, the billionaire Koch Bros. will get gov’t subsidized sky-boxes.
Obama isn’t talking about reversing the policies of you Republicans, which would start actually taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
What he’s talking about is programs to keep jobs here in America and fairer tax policy.
Don’t worry, GMC. He won’t do what you people do.
Obama is concerned about everyone’s well-being–even yours–not just the people at the top.
Correction:
Obama isn’t talking about reversing the policies of you Republicans, which would start actually taking from the RICH and giving to the POOR.
The top 1% of earners in this country pay 40% of the income taxes.
I wish I was among them but I’m not.
The Arena I think is a terrible example. For starters it was voted upon and approved by the citzens of the county. You chose to buy your truck at Davis Moore vs. driving to dealerships in Harper, Butler, Reno or another neighboring county. Not my problem.
Based on my income, a rollback of the Bush tax cuts is going to cost me $1,500 a year.
I have yet to see a proposal in how that is going to be re-distributed back to me.
Speaking of spreading the wealth around, imagine McCain or Palin doing this:
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=printpage;topic=84678.0
English translation of a Norwegian article:
Mary lacked money to fly home to Norway – he saved her love
ÅSGÅRDSTRAND (VG): Mary was a newlywed and ready to move to Norway, but was stopped at the airport because she didn’t have enough money for the trip. Then a stranger turned up and paid for her.
Mary Menth Andersen was 31 years old at the time and had just married Norwegian Dag Andersen. She was looking forward to starting a new life in Åsgårdstrand in Vestfold with him. But first she had to get all of her belongings across to Norway.
The date was November 2nd, 1988.
At the airport in Miami things were hectic as usual, with long lines at the check-in counters. When it was finally Mary’s turn and she had placed her luggage on the baggage line, she got the message that would crush her bubbling feeling of happiness.
“You’ll have to pay a 103 dollar surcharge if you want to take both those suitcases to Norway,” the man behind the counter said.
Mary had no money. Her new husband had travelled ahead of her to Norway, and she had no one else to call.
“I was completely desperate and tried to think which of my things I could manage without. But I had already made such a careful selection of my most prized possessions,” says Mary.
Although she explained the situation to the man behind the counter, he showed no signs of mercy.
“I started to cry, tears were pouring down my face and I had no idea what to do. Then I heard a gentle and friendly voice behind me saying, That’s OK, I’ll pay for her.”
Mary turned around to see a tall man whom she had never seen before. “He had a gentle and kind voice that was still firm and decisive. The first thing I thought was, Who is this man?”
Although this happened 20 years ago, Mary still remembers the authority that radiated from the man.
“He was nicely dressed, fashionably dressed with brown leather shoes, a cotton shirt open at the throat and khaki pants,” says Mary.
She was thrilled to be able to bring both her suitcases to Norway and assured the stranger that he would get his money back. The man wrote his name and address on a piece of paper that he gave to Mary. She thanked him repeatedly. When she finally walked off towards the security checkpoint, he waved goodbye to her.
The piece of paper said ‘Barack Obama’ and his address in Kansas, which is the state where his mother comes from. Mary carried the slip of paper around in her wallet for years, before it was thrown out.
“He was my knight in shining armor,” says Mary, smiling.
She paid the 103 dollars back to Obama the day after she arrived in Norway. At that time he had just finished his job as a poorly paid community worker in Chicago, and had started his law studies at prestigious Harvard university.
In the spring of 2006 Mary’s parents had heard that Obama was considering a run for president, but that he had still not decided. They chose to write a letter in which they told him that he would receive their votes. At the same time, they thanked Obama for helping their daughter 18 years earlier.
In a letter to Mary’s parents dated May 4th, 2006 and stamped ‘United States Senate, Washington DC’, Barack Obama writes**:
‘I want to thank you for the lovely things you wrote about me and for reminding me of what happened at Miami airport. I’m happy I could help back then, and I’m delighted to hear that your daughter is happy in Norway. Please send her my best wishes. Sincerely, Barack Obama, United States senator.’
The parents sent the letter on to Mary.
This week VG met her and her husband in the café that she runs with her friend Lisbeth Tollefsrud in Åsgårdstrand.
“It’s amazing to think that the man who helped me 20 years ago may now become the next US president,” says Mary delightedly.
She has already voted for Obama. She recently donated 100 dollars to his campaign.
She often tells the story from Miami airport, both when race issues are raised and when the conversation turns to the presidential elections.
“I sincerely hope the Americans will see reason and understand that Obama means change,” says Mary.
“ANTI
Posted October 29, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Permalink
Big Money Obama, he’s got the Change!”
yeah, lots of small contributions by many, many, many people.
“Based on my income, a rollback of the Bush tax cuts is going to cost me $1,500 a year.”
Really!
You make 250,000 a year?
Then quit bitching and be glad you don’t live under Reagan when your taxes would have been way higher.
I make around $50,000 per year.
In my opinion not knowing simple facts like this…well forget it.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 29, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink
Speaking of spreading the wealth around, imagine McCain or Palin doing this:
http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=printpage;topic=84678.0
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Fairy tale.
Will we be hearing a longing for the ‘fairness doctrine’?
Obama-
the best campaign money can buy.
Hurray for him. Capitolism at it’s best. However, for all you spread the wealth types, he probably should have given some to McCain, who followed his promise and limits on accepting federal campaign funds. After all, it would have only been …….FAIR……
Why shouldn’t Obama spend the money on his campaign as his small donation donors contributed it for that purpose.
Or, do you think he should keep a cash hoard like Sen. Roberts?
KIA–
Where’s your proof?
This woman is on record. Her story checks out.
BTW, you didn’t answer the Yes/No question. Do you make more than a quarter million a year?
If yes, you will pay higher income taxes.
If no, then you will not pay more in income taxes.
So which is it?
Mccain raised more money for his campaign by taking the gov. money and the rnc bucks.
He’d really been underfunded if he’d had to count on contributions!
Mr_Kia
Posted October 29, 2008 at 2:29 pm | Permalink
I make around $50,000 per year.
In my opinion not knowing simple facts like this…well forget it.
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Reference.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/senator_obamas_four_tax_increa.html
These repubs always remind me of Saddam’s crowds in the streets chanting “Our hearts, our souls, our lives”.
McCain, who followed his promise and limits on accepting federal campaign funds . . .
Is McCain limiting his campaign only to the amount that the gov’t gives him under federal funding?
I don’t think so . . .
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-donorsoct29,0,1269595.story
Campaign donor’s giving raises questions
Little known about man who has sent thousands to GOP
By Andrew Zajac, Ray Gibson and Bob Secter | Tribune reporters
October 29, 2008
Big campaign donors typically come with deep pockets and influence. But in Illinois this election cycle, no one not running for office himself has given more to the nation’s federal campaigns than Shi Sheng Hao of Roselle, a virtual unknown in business and political circles.
Before September 2007, Hao’s name had never appeared in the 15-year-old federal database of campaign contributors. Since then, however, his donations have topped $120,000 — including $70,100 on a single June day to Republican presidential candidate John McCain.
Over the same time frame, a network of Hao relatives has kicked in more. The take from this group over the last 13 months exceeds $269,000, a small amount to Democrats but most of it to McCain and the Republican National Committee, records show.
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If he were following the rules for federal funding, he couldn’t be taking donations like this.
My household paid more tax after both of bush’s tax cuts.
So, I don’t mind seeing them phased out and getting a real tax cut.
Phantom
Posted October 29, 2008 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
Why shouldn’t Obama spend the money on his campaign as his small donation donors contributed it for that purpose.
Or, do you think he should keep a cash hoard like Sen. Roberts
NOpe, he should spend it, every fricking last dime.
After all, that’s what it was given for.
His “supporters” gave it for the campaign.
Mr_Kia, I understand that if the current law is not changed, and the “Bush tax cuts” expire as therein provided, it will cost you additional income taxes. Seems to me that much was clear from your original post.
If you, like I, do not like hypotheticals, I’m sure you haven’t looked at what your federal income tax burden would be under Sen. Obama’s proposal. Under Sen. McCain’s, as I understand it, it would not change from what it is currently.
“BTW, you didn’t answer the Yes/No question. Do you make more than a quarter million a year?
If yes, you will pay higher income taxes.
If no, then you will not pay more in income taxes.”
You people don’t get it. Why should they be taxed at all? It’s not the goverments job to decide to makes too much. When the employers get hit with higher taxes, the rest of us will pay with our jobs.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 29, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink
KIA–
Where’s your proof?
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I don’t have any at this time. Just an opinion as it has yet to be picked up by msm and he gives a Kansas address.
Capn, look at the date of the donation. I do not know whether Sen. McCain had elected to receive public financing prior to the general election campaign. If he hadn’t for the primary, there would be no violation of the campaign finance law by accepting that donation.
Why NO ABC for the One tonight.
Disney Owner Robert Allen Iger was born to a Jewish family Feb. 10, 1951.
Maybe the “Mainstream” honeymoon is just about over.
I hope the “tape” the LA Times has is released soon.
From KIA’s link…
For a married family, filing jointly and earning $75,000 a year, this increase will be $3,074. For those making just $50,000, this increase will be $1,512. Despite Senator Obama’s claim, even struggling American families making just $25,000 a year will see a tax increase — they’ll pay $715 more in 2010 than they did in 2007. Across the board, when the tax cuts lapse, working Americans will see significant increases in their taxes, even if their household income is as low as $25,000. See the tables at the end of this article.
Check this for yourself. Go to http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/ and pull up the 1040 instructions for 2000 and 2007 and go to the tax tables. Based on your 2007 income, check your taxes rates for 2000 and 2007, and apply them to your taxable income for 2007. In 2000 — Senator Obama’s benchmark year — you would have paid significantly more taxes for the income you earned in 2007. The Bush Tax Cuts, which Senator Obama has said he will allow to lapse, saved you money, and without those cuts, your taxes will go back up to the 2000 level. Senator Obama doesn’t call it a “tax increase,” but your taxes under “President” Obama will increase — significantly.
KIA–
A thought-provoking link, but I’m not buying it. A lot of people would be bringing up Obama’s letting Bush tax cuts expire and McCain’s extending them, not just some obscure blog.
I’ll de-bunk it later when I have time.
AVTolle–
So what’s the bottom line from your point of view?
The 50K a year worker will pay more taxes under Bush or McCain (according to their plans)?
You know how I know my taxes are going up under the Ones plan?
Cuz he’s a demorat.
If he’s not following the rules, where are the charges?
I say great. If he has violated the rules for government financed campaign, charge him with fraud, or whatever. THRow him in jail, make him pay the money given to his campaign back to the government.
So far, no charges. Maybe Obama will do that.
There’s a web site out there where you can plug in your numbers and get a projected tax under both mccain and obama’s plan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
This link shows Obama’s plan cutting taxes for a 50K employee by 2.4 percent. Assuming a 20 percent tax rate, that’s saving them 2,400 a year, which far outweighs the increase of 1,500 dollars of the expiring Bush tax cuts.
Also, KIA’s link doesn’t say anything about McCain letting Bush tax cuts expire or not.
“If he’s not following the rules, where are the charges?”
What makes you think that McCain agreed to the rules of federal financing?
All I ever heard was that McCain would do it if Obama did it.
Since Obama is not doing it, then McCain needn’t either.
And of course it makes sense that McCain, who can’t get the money Obama can, would want federal financing.
Big deal.
He’s trying to turn a weakness into a strength.
Good luck with that.
That’s nice. I’d appreciate $900 a year.
My fear however really remains for my boss and my job.
I work for a very small busines (15 employees).
“Rich” don’t get “rich” by bad investments or taking it on the chin.
The additional costs to them are going to come from somewhere. Either me in increased costs. Or me in losing benefits or ultimately a job.
The average rich person has declared bankruptcy twice, KIA.
Well, since I don’t know the filing status of Mr_KIA, as well as other relevant details, the bottom line is for a single worker, no dependents, not itemizing, with W-2 income only, assuming an AGI = $50,000, as I understand the proposals, such an individual would have lower federal income tax burden under Sen. Obama’s plan than under Sen. McCain’s plan, some $450 or so less; and, under the current schedules, some $480 or so less than now. Under Sen. McCain’s proposal, said taxpayer would have about $40 lower federal income tax than under current law.
I roughed the above out from information I was able to find via the internet. The actual numbers might be a bit higher or lower, the end result as to whose plan reduces such taxpayer’s federal tax burden is accurate.
Are you better off today than you were four years ago?
Hell, I’m not.
My retirement funds have plunged 30 percent in the last month and that’s a direct result of RepubliCON de-regulation in the financial markets.
How many times do you have to get hit over the head before you see who’s hitting you? Harry Truman
For those interested, here’s a calculator that will give results under both candidates’ plans: http://alchemytoday.com/obamataxcut/
Regarding the above link of the airport story being a Fairy Tale.
Why would Obama give a Kansas address of relatives he’d never met?
Obama Visits Grandfather’s Kansas Town
By NEDRA PICKLER,
AP
Posted: 2008-01-29 14:48:25
EL DORADO, Kan. (AP) – For all the talk about Barack Obama’s quest to be the first black president, his visit to his grandfather’s hometown Tuesday was a reminder that it is only half the story.
Obama is the son of an African father and a white mother from this heartland state, which holds its presidential caucus Feb. 5. “We’re family!” Obama said as he took the stage in a packed community college gymnasium for an event that combined politics with a personal story that does not get a lot of attention in his campaign.
Obama told reporters on the flight from Washington that the stop in Kansas would remind voters about his roots and that he was not born into privilege.
It was his first visit ever to El Dorado, where his maternal grandfather, Stanley Dunham, grew up. Obama was raised by his mother and his grandparents in Hawaii; his father left the family when Obama was just 2 years old and then returned to his native Kenya.
Obama told the audience that his story “spans miles and generations, races and realities.”
“It is a varied and unlikely journey, but one that’s held together by the same simple dream,” he said. “And that is why it’s an American story. That’s why I can stand here and talk about how this country is more than a collection of red states and blue states because my story could only happen in the United States of America.”
Obama’s campaign feels confident about his chances to win the Democratic contest in Kansas – one of the smaller prizes among the 22 states holding Democratic nominating contests next Tuesday.
His staff has been organizing in Kansas for months without much activity from rival Hillary Rodham Clinton, and he picked up the endorsement of Gov. Kathleen Sebelius on the visit.
Sebelius, a Democrat who won election twice in solid GOP territory, told The Associated Press that Obama “brings the hope and optimism that we really need to restore our place in the world, as well as to bring this country together and really tackle the challenges that we have.”
Obama told reporters his grandfather was raised by grandparents and was a “wild child” who married his high school sweetheart from nearby Augusta, Kan., over objections from her more traditional family. He said his grandfather served in World War II and was educated on the GI Bill, while his grandmother stayed in Wichita with their baby – Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham – and worked on a bomber assembly line. The family eventually moved to Hawaii, where Obama was born and raised.
Obama’s upbringing in a white household contributed to some questioning early in his campaign about whether he is “black enough” to win over black voters. But that no longer is a prominent discussion around his historic bid that has won overwhelming support from blacks. Instead he has faced constant questions about whether a black candidate can be elected president in a country where racial divisions still exist.
Stanley Dunham died in 1992, Obama’s mother in 1995. But Obama said his grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, is “glued to CNN” and follows the campaign closely, even though severe osteoporosis keeps her from traveling from Hawaii.
Obama said he still has extended family in the area who have gotten involved in the campaign.
“It’s been fun actually meeting them,” Obama said of the distant white relatives. Then he added with a laugh, “You wouldn’t spot them out in a crowd as my cousins.”
Among Obama’s more distant cousins is Dick Cheney, according to genealogy research done by the vice president’s wife. Obama said, “It’s not a close relationship.”
Associated Press writer John Milburn in Topeka, Kan., contributed to this report.
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/obama-v…29144809990031
biased1 posted October 29, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Why NO ABC for the One tonight.
Disney Owner Robert Allen Iger was born to a Jewish family Feb. 10, 1951.
Maybe the “Mainstream” honeymoon is just about over.
I hope the “tape” the LA Times has is released soon.
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‘ABC out of Obama half-hour campaign ad buy’
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jKE7eUUmYAErFH0r1fEdVZexg2IQD943RP6G0
“Attempting to protect its struggling Wednesday lineup, ABC tried to reach an agreement with the Obama campaign to air the commercial on a different night, according to people familiar with the discussions who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly.
ABC had a change of heart, but by the time it decided to make the 8 p.m. EDT Wednesday slot available for the Democratic presidential candidate’s spot, his campaign had already finalized the ad buy, the people said.”
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and re Rashid Khalidi,
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1028/#comment-457904
Thanks, AVTolle.
We won’t hold you legally accountable to that (hehe), but it’s nice to have someone with your background making the estimates.
What you wrote sounds about right according to what I’ve been seeing too.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink
The average rich person has declared bankruptcy twice, KIA.
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Kind of proves my point in my opinion.
Loophole’s yes.
But also a protection of assets.
Mr_Kia
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
CapnAmerica
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink
The average rich person has declared bankruptcy twice, KIA.
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Kind of proves my point in my opinion.
Loophole’s yes.
But also a protection of assets.
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And I’ll add BS and unethical in my opinion.
Doesn’t change that I’ll pay more for goods and services and be lucky to keep a job.
Capn’s link also has a graph comparing the average tax changes for 9 income groups
‘Obama and McCain tax Proposals’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html
“Obama’s plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy”
It appears that Osama Obama wants the coronation ceremony before he gets the crown.
Fun drinking game for tonight:
Take a shot for the following words:
Change
Health Care
Third Term
Crisis
George W. Bush
Top 10-percent
Struggling
You’ll be passed out way before the first pitch. If you’re lucky you’ll come to in time to see the Rays take the game tonight :)
I want to see this commercial!
Obama campaign takes direct aim at Palin.
The new ad mocks McCain, pointing to his three-year-old quotation that “I know a lot less about economics than I do about military or foreign policy issues.”
McCain’s words continue, he may have to “rely on a vice president” to help with economic issues.
“His choice?”
Then the ad wordlessly shows a smiling Palin at a speech, winking at the crowd.
Ha Ha Ha!
The spin is “despicable, outrageous” Obama can purchase that much time on nearly every TV network, not the waffling ABC.
Republicans can watch Pushing Daisies, whatever!
Millions of donors to Obama’s campaign have used anonymous pre-paid debit cards on the internet. Damn that capitalism.
Republicans are calling for regulations!
Networks are taking those mega millions gleefully during prime time, they are supporting voter fraud by doing so, allegedly.
Mr_KIA, the issue of the taxation of small businesses is not simple. For example, is the small business a sole proprietorship, an S Corporation, a LLC, a partnership, a C corporation? From what I’ve read, there isn’t much difference between the two candidates’ proposals on small business taxation. I am aware that Sen. Obama’s proposal eliminates capital gains for small businesses and start up businesses; but how that is to work, and for definitions of the terms, don’t know. There are also some credits to small businesses in the proposal of Sen. Obama for health insurance, and, IIRC a $500/employee credit.
Keep telling yourself that, Capn, if it makes you feel better. Whatever.
Mr. Kia –
I’m afraid I’ll pass. About the 12th time I hear “change” (I’d guess about 10 minutes in) I’ll get PO’d enough at the blather and throw the shot glass through the TV.
If you fools think Obama can do what he says and give “95% of Americans a tax cut” (a line we know is false, since 40% of Americans pay no taxes now), well, you deserve him.
It can’t be done. I know it. He knows it.
In your heart of hearts, you know it.
But you’ll fool yourselves anyway. And Obama’s pretty speachifying (of that he’s a master) will likely get him elected. There’s no experience, no substance, behind the pretty words, but that won’t matter.
And in 4 years you’ll be shocked – shocked! – to learn that it didn’t all work out hunky-dory.
I’ll do something useful, like alphabetize the CD collection, rather than listen to more blather.
‘Amazing Obama commmercial on McCain’s Economic Experience’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWnSyLKm_tM
And one of the links Steven posted on the ‘bumper-sticker’ thread.
‘John McCain: Economic Disaster’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egXbhSOhk
Kinda sad…if McCain pulled a stunt like this, the libs would be screaming about “buying an election”. But, since it is ‘the one’ doing it, they see nothing wrong with it.
I remember watching the half-hour long (complete with charts and graphs) “lessons” Ross Perot gave. This isn’t new. Good for Obama for wanting to talk issues to the American people. I look forward to hearing him.
GMC70
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
And in 4 years you’ll be shocked – shocked! – to learn that it didn’t all work out hunky-dory.
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I’m banking on a second “Republican Revolution” in 2010.
If not, we’re doomed.
Raptor –
Don’t you understand? IOKIYAD!
You don’t understand the narrative. Don’t worry; well get you re-educated soon enough. And it’ll all be for your own good.
“I’m banking on a second “Republican Revolution” in 2010.”
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Will that be long enough for the Republican Party to sort out what it stands for?
My hope is the Republican Party goes with Palin for 2010.
lindainks55
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink
“I’m banking on a second “Republican Revolution” in 2010.”
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Will that be long enough for the Republican Party to sort out what it stands for?
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“Change” will be enough. LOL
“Obama’s plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy”
This statment is useless without defining if the
“Biggest” and “largest” is in terms of dollar amount or percentage.
by the way, I don’t know about anybody else out there, but:
The “very wealthy” sells me groceries that I use to feed my family .
The “very wealthy” provides me with a job.
I’m so happy that America has the “very wealthy” to employ so many people and to provide goods and services that improve our quality of life.
lindainks55
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
My hope is the Republican Party goes with Palin for 2010.
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Is she gonna run for Congress or Senate?
Linda –
It’s not about issues. Americans don’t really understand the issues anyway; if they did, they’d throw all the SOB’s out. All they know is that he promises “change,” and promises to give them a bribe – er, tax cut – and stick it to “the man.”
That it makes no economic sense makes no difference; Obama at one point admitted as much, but that was OK, as long as it was “fair.” Whatever that is.
1/2 hour long balony is still balony.
It’s possible Stevens can win his Senate seat, have to go to jail or be relieved of his duties by the Senate. Then Governor Palin could appoint herself (though a prearrangement with the Lt. Gov.) and she could run for POTUS from her Senate seat in 2010. I think she is THE future of the Republican Party. ;-)
Linda, President’s terms are 4 years.
On this GMC, you have an opinion and I have a differing one. I have read at his website, listened when he speaks and heard the details. They’re there for you to study too, if you desired. Guess differences are why we each get one vote and there is more than one candidate.
Thanks, GM..must have lost my head there for a moment. I must remember the mantra: high taxes are patriotic…I must give up what I make….the poor deserve the fruits of my labor more than I do….
thanks, GM…the re-education program must continue…
You’re right, Mr. Kia. Sorry, I was wrong. The next race for POTUS will be 2012. It was an honest mistake and I;m sorry.
lindainks55
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:04 pm | Permalink
You’re right, Mr. Kia. Sorry, I was wrong. The next race for POTUS will be 2012. It was an honest mistake and I;m sorry.
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I knew you knew that. I was being a smart ass.
I’d rather have her run in 2012 with four additional years of Chief Executive experience.
Although wouldn’t a person wanting to be elected president in 2012 need to begin the campaign in 2010?
Boy, what a depressing thought that is!
Raptor posted October 29, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Thanks, GM..must have lost my head there for a moment. I must remember the mantra: high taxes are patriotic…I must give up what I make…
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Congratulations Raptor, on earning more than $200k (or $250k if married).
lindainks55
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink
Although wouldn’t a person wanting to be elected president in 2012 need to begin the campaign in 2010?
Boy, what a depressing thought that is!
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Depends.
I am hoping this cycle was unusal because we were guaranteed a new President.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink
Raptor posted October 29, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Congratulations Raptor, on earning more than $200k (or $250k if married).
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Keep drinking that kool-aid.
The next republican revolution will begin Nov. 5 th 2008.
Going to be some serious soul searching going on after the party gets handed its butt.
Doesn’t bode well for a palin run as I think the RW will be driven to the side lines.
“Mr_Kia
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink
lindainks55
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
My hope is the Republican Party goes with Palin for 2010.
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Is she gonna run for Congress or Senate?”
I hope she just runs away
All I have to say on the matter is GObama!
Run, Sarah, Run, back to Alaska. The shrinking oil revenue is going to ravage your state budget.
“Phantom
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink
The next republican revolution will begin Nov. 5 th 2008.
Going to be some serious soul searching going on after the party gets handed its butt.
Doesn’t bode well for a palin run as I think the RW will be driven to the side lines.”
Maybe the right-wing social conservatives like Palin will start their own party and get out of the Republican one… call it the evangelical party or something
That would be great!
brian_nuevo
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:19 pm | Permalink
“Mr_Kia
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:58 pm | Permalink
lindainks55
Posted October 29, 2008 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
My hope is the Republican Party goes with Palin for 2010.
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Is she gonna run for Congress or Senate?”
I hope she just runs away
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2/3 of her constituency still seems to like her.
she’s the one that has made this race even as close as it is.
I don’t see that being a negative on her or the RW with regards to Phantom’s post.
IMHO Mitt Romney is the new face of the Republican Party after Nov 4, with Palin forming her own Nazi splinter group taking the violent skinheads and freaks with her..
mxyzptlk
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:25 pm | Permalink
IMHO Mitt Romney is the new face of the Republican Party after Nov 4, with Palin forming her own Nazi splinter group taking the violent skinheads and freaks with her..
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Romney stinks. If he was the candidate I would sit out. Or vote Libertarian, same difference.
“Violent skinheads and freaks” – Liberal translation from “gun owners”.
“Mr_Kia
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:23 pm |
2/3 of her constituency still seems to like her.
she’s the one that has made this race even as close as it is.
I don’t see that being a negative on her or the RW with regards to Phantom’s post.”
She has definitely drawn the Republican social conservatives tigher into the party and energized them.
She has also driven most less socially conservative voters toward Obama.
Palin has really had a polarizing effect for the Republican party – whether it is good or not will be known this time next week.
“IMHO Mitt Romney is the new face of the Republican Party after Nov 4, with Palin forming her own Nazi splinter group taking the violent skinheads and freaks with her..”
Does this mean you will moving to Alaska?
IF the GOP suffers the losses being “predicted”, there will be IMHO a quick self-examination of the state of the party by the folks that count. It will be very interesting to see the direction taken after that meeting (more likely, many meetings) to see whether the social conservatives become outcasts with the GOP moving to a more moderate stance, or if the party becomes more attached to the same. If the latter, I don’t know; that might be the beginning of a Democratic majority for a decade or more. Far be it for me to attempt to predict what will happen.
BTW, I still hold the opinion that regardless of who wins the Presidency, he will be a one-term President. There are what appears to me at the present time too many problems for solution in a four-year period, and the solutions to the problems which are resolved are going to be unpopular with a great many in the electorate.
Oh, lord…
Do I have to revive the “Grand Commissar of the People’s Republic of WE Blog” posts?
This supposed “share the wealth” and “Barack is a Marxist” blather from the CONs is about resuming a bump in the marginal income tax rate 4.5 points for the income some people earn after they first net $250,000.
I had no idea we had so many NBA and movie stars contributing to WE Blog.
Yeah, it’s likely to bump up Bill Orally and Rush Limpbaugh’s tax “burdon” 4.5 points before their first commercial break in the new year. But it kinda pales next to Mao Zedong’s “Long March.”
C’mon, CONs.
You don’t believe half the crap you
parrotpost. You know John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) doesn’t believe three-quarters of the stuff he’s saying. You salivate at the thought the Moose-Dresser might actually believe a third of the stuff she says.And you have good evidence to believe that. Near as I can tell, Bible Spice has been protected (so far) from witches.
“2/3 of her constituency still seems to like her.”
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If the Mccain / Palin ticket wins that number would increase. If they lose, how would 2/3 of a losing number be a good number?
I can’t even understand the point of that post thru the elementary nickname drivel.
“avtolle
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:36 pm
…There are what appears to me at the present time too many problems for solution in a four-year period, and the solutions to the problems which are resolved are going to be unpopular with a great many in the electorate.”
I definitely agree with your statement about the solutions. I think a politician doing what needs to be done to fix some of the major problems currently at hand (economy, security/terrorism, erosion of liberties, energy crisis, impending water crisis, etc, etc, etc) would make them extremely unpopular and be the death knoll of their future political career.
(unless a much wiser, more forward-thinking electorate rises up, bitch-slaps the short-sighted majority we have now, and takes our country in a new direction)
lindainks55
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
“2/3 of her constituency still seems to like her.”
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If the Mccain / Palin ticket wins that number would increase. If they lose, how would 2/3 of a losing number be a good number?
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I don’t understand your question.
Does anyone really believe that “magic limit” of 250K will never affect anyone else?
I love the ‘logic’ here…”it only affects those making over 250, so I don’t have to worry’.
Considering the number of multimillionairs in Congress, does anyone really, honestly believe they would pass a tax that is heavier on them? Never happen.
typo…”multimillionaire”
If the media is all Liberal as you Republicans claim then WHY are you fighting so hard to have the fairness doctrine abolished forever?
Pondunkville
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
If the media is all Liberal as you Republicans claim then WHY are you fighting so hard to have the fairness doctrine abolished forever?
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Because the liberal MSM are disguised as news organizations. News is supposedly balanced but has turned more into editorializing.
The Fairness Doctrine will effect legitimate commentators such as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Christian Radio, etc. and not the likes of Katie Couric, the AP and the New York Times.
“There are what appears to me at the present time too many problems for solution in a four-year period, and the solutions to the problems which are resolved are going to be unpopular with a great many in the electorate.”
Clinton inherited a mess and was angry when he realized what a stinking mess it was. He had to cut back on his promises, set about practicing fical discipline, raised taxes on the wealthy, and was still able to get re-elected a second term. Ross Perot was there to help the second time, too, and he did, but not as much as the first time.
I believe this mess is much worse than what Clinton found. I hope you are not correct Vaughn, but your forecast is reasonable, it would seem to me.
Raptor
Posted October 29, 2008 at 4:53 pm | Permalink
Does anyone really believe that “magic limit” of 250K will never affect anyone else?
…Considering the number of multimillionairs in Congress, does anyone really, honestly believe they would pass a tax that is heavier on them? Never happen.”
That is why you are not in marketing Raptor. True and false does not matter, it is how often and how convincingly something is said that matters.
Rove was an expert at this, now campaign managers from both sides have studied and learned his methods. The cigarette, cell phone, and fast food industries all do a great job at it as well.
“2/3 of her constituency still seems to like her.”
That’s around 400,000 people.
Oh yea,
A pre-recorded, scripted and canned, 30 minute Infomercial could be real harmful to Obama.
Now the edited out bloopers of the thing could be real special, but like the LA Times video, NOBODY will see those.
“Because the liberal MSM are disguised as news organizations.”
Bullsh*t (in the Harry Frankfurt sense). The “liberal media” bias is the favorite excuse of the right wing when things don’t go their way. If they win, people are seeing through the “liberal media”, if they lose, it’s the “liberal media’s” for deceiving the electorate. It is an expression of the false equation of “not conservative = liberal”. Nonsense.
“News is supposedly balanced but has turned more into editorializing.”
It’s more complicated than that. The news that brings attention/viewers/etc. is what leads. And sometimes, that includes having opinions. It is true that many “news” programs are editorials, but the fact of the matter is, pundits do NOT tend democratic or left. And again, skepticism of the conservative line does not equal liberalism.
“The Fairness Doctrine will effect legitimate commentators such as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Christian Radio, etc. and not the likes of Katie Couric, the AP and the New York Times.”
Your implication here, of course, is that the AP Couric, etc. are just as biased in their reporting as your “legitimate commentators”. Again, in the Harry Frankfurt sense, this is a bullsh*t premise. There is no comparison. Now if you want to talk about Maddow or Olberman or even Jon Stewart nowadays, you would have a point, but you are not, and you don’t. You already learn about what the conservatives and liberals are saying from the AP and the NY Times (which is editorially liberal to be sure, but that should not be confused with their reporting any more than the Arizona Republic should be assumed to be conservative in their reporting because they are editorially conservative).
Note, this is in response to Kia’s oft repeated by conservative false complaints about the “liberal MSM”, and not about the Fairness Doctrine (I’m still not sure about how I feel about that now, the historical reason for the Fairness Doctrine has largely become mootin my estimation).
DANGER! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON!!!
B I G
R I S K !!!
Obama is going to broadcast a pre-Re-Re-corded Propoganda film.
Big danger and big risk there.
Ah, but Obama is such a Brave Man to take a risk like this!
I don’t mention the likes of Olberman and Maddow as they are commentators as well obviously. Stuart’s show is satire which my understanding would be an exception.
My problem with the Fairness Doctrine really doesn’t lay with conservative programs as much as it does religious based.
As far as my statements and opinions on the likes of Katie Couric, formally Dan Rather, I’ll let their interviews and records speak for themselves.
Raptor posted October 29, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Considering the number of multimillionairs in Congress, does anyone really, honestly believe they would pass a tax that is heavier on them? Never happen.
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Raptor,
Were John and Cindy McCain “wealthy” in 2000 – 2003?
Did McCain lie when he made these comments, and actually hope that Bush’s temporary tax cuts for the wealthy would pass, AND become permanent?
“There’s one big difference between me and the others – I won’t take every last dime of the surplus and spend it on tax cuts that mostly benefit the wealthy.” [McCain campaign commercial, January 2000]
“I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers.” [McCain Senate floor statement, May 21, 2001]
“But when you look at the percentage of the tax cuts that – as the previous tax cuts – that go to the wealthiest Americans, you will find that the bulk of it, again, goes to wealthiest Americans.” [NBC’s “Today,” Jan. 7, 2003]
Huge game changer in one hour.
SFreader
Posted October 29, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
“2/3 of her constituency still seems to like her.”
That’s around 400,000 people.
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At least you got what I meant.
And it’s irrelevant. The people she works for support her in greater numbers (percentage) than any current political figure.
They’re quoting Palin as saying when asked about the future, if she loses would she just go back to Alaska, she said This hasn’t all been for naught, and she plans to remain on the national stage!
I think she’s just had career ops open up for her that may not include politics. I’m thinking she’s more driven by greed than by quest for power, but would ideally love to have both.
I’m thinking Fox.
No, I will not watch the Praise the Messiah show, it would make me sick. I will watch a Chicago crime show or anything else on cable except Communist O.
As long as he makes sureit is over BEFORE the first pitch it might work out for him. However, in my view it is a bad idea. The reason: many people like their routines – CSI, Law&Order, etc. A half-hour ‘infomercial’ is not going to make them happy.
“Because the liberal MSM are disguised as news organizations.”
Is that like toe local liberal MSM newspaper that endorsed Tankerless Todd – AGAIN?
Steven…great editorial in the paper today!
He is somewhat flat so far.
He needs to give people hope. And he also needs to hit back at the forces that have so hurt our country.
He inspires me to try to be a better person. I just know with his inspirational leadership and working together, we can be what we as people and as a nation are capable of being!
That was money well spent.
Some observations I posted to the wrong topic:
Phantom
Posted October 29, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink
If that didn’t put a lump in your throat and moisten your eyes, you must be a Kansas Repub.
Phantom
Posted October 29, 2008 at 7:35 pm | Permalink
Obama understands the problems, and offers solutions.
“If the media is all Liberal as you Republicans claim then WHY are you fighting so hard to have the fairness doctrine abolished forever?” — Podunkville
I bow to the master. O-m-m-m-m-m-m-m.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021503639_pf.html
This article is saying basically that McCain is not part of the federal campaign funding program.
I agree, Linda. He has the potential to be a great leader. It’s wonderful to have such an inspirational person as our next president.
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/409/mccain-funds.html
McCain faces this predicament because last year, when his campaign was low on cash, he applied to participate in the taxpayer-funded public financing program. (Find out more about the public financing program for presidential candidates.) He never received any money from the public program, and after his fundraising picked up steam following victories in the early 2008 primaries, he decided to withdraw from the program.
LJ–
You’re welcome that I had to do your homework for you.
It’s like I always say, the reason CONs don’t “google”?
It’s too much like thinking . . .
Excellent post, Cosmos, on McCain basically doing a 180 for political expediency.
By the way, outlander, where’s the outrage when ReguLIAR calls Obama “Osama”?
McCain has started running robocalls in his homestate of Arizona!
Apparently he feels he is not going to carry his own state.
Sucks to be Republican.
As I recall from memory, Mccain was short of funds during the primary, had to pledge Fed. matching dollars as collateral to borrow some money. When he ended up winning the primary, saw an op to raise more funds if he didn’t take the fed. money, by had already obligated himself legally.
The country is facing not only a crisis in the financial area, nor just economically, but also psychological.
Repubs have nothing to offer except negativism, have proven you can’t take them at their word or at face value.
We need not only measures to combat the economic decline but to get us out of our built up pessimism. I think Obama can do that. The right person at the right time, a hurdle Mccain and Palin can’t overcome.
OK, I’ve got my popcorn, next up is Senator McCain.
Well, this is apples to oranges. Senator Obama had a well orchestrated message with only a couple of minutes at the end live. Of course, that well-oiled, orchestrated 30 minutes is also indicative of how Senator Obama has run his entire campaign. When you attempt a comparison to how Senator McCain has run his own campaign, that too, is apples to oranges it’s so different.
When I think about who would be best to run a country, and look at the way these two have run their campaigns it’s clear who has the advantage.
I’m happy that Senator Obama did his thirty minutes without mention of Senator McCain. I wish now on Larry King we could hear anything about McCain instead of his complaining and grumbling, finding fault with Senator Obama.
“I wish now on Larry King we could hear anything about McCain instead of his complaining and grumbling, finding fault with Senator Obama.”
It’s because McCain supporters have nothing to talk about concerning Mccain’s solutions to the pronblems…all they can do is bash Obama because Mccain brings NOTHING new to the table…just the same failed policies of favoring the rich over the needs of the average American people.
Gotta give Senator McCain this — he’s confident and optimistic! Some might say unrealistic, but it ain’t over ’till the fat lady sings!
Little personal story. My daughter and her hubby of twenty-two years dated for seven years before being married. Lots of time for everyone to get to know everyone in both families. So, one day my daughter and her future Mother-in-law were not seeing eye to eye about something and had been debating this disagreement. Future Mom in law looks at daughter and asks, “Is everyone in your family soooo, so (pregnant pause while searching for word) confident?”
Ever since when one of us is being totally obstinate we always mention that person’s confidence! We all know we would like to use a bunch of not-so-nice descriptions, but now we don’t have to because confident says it!
The Khalidi Gambit: McCain Attacks Obama for Connection to Palestinian Activist Whose Work McCain Helped Fund
October 29, 2008 10:35 AM
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., did a live interview with Radio Mambi in Miami this morning in which he went after Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for his connections to a “PLO spokesman.”
McCain was referring to Rashid Khalidi, who, five years ago, Obama toasted at a going-away party before Khalidi headed off to New York City to become a professor at Columbia University.
In April, the Los Angeles Times’s Peter Wallsten wrote about the toast, saying a “special tribute came from Khalidi’s friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi’s wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.
“His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been ‘consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases…It’s for that reason that I’m hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation — a conversation that is necessary, not just around Mona and Rashid’s dinner table,’ but around ‘this entire world.’”
Wrote Wallsten: “In the 1970s, when Khalidi taught at a university in Beirut, he often spoke to reporters on behalf of Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization. In the early 1990s, he advised the Palestinian delegation during peace negotiations. Khalidi now occupies a prestigious professorship of Arab studies at Columbia.
“He is seen as a moderate in Palestinian circles, having decried suicide bombings against civilians as a ‘war crime’ and criticized the conduct of Hamas and other Palestinian leaders. Still, many of Khalidi’s opinions are troubling to pro-Israel activists, such as his defense of Palestinians’ right to resist Israeli occupation and his critique of U.S. policy as biased toward Israel.”
Wallsten had a videotape of the Khalidi party, which conservatives and, as of today Sen. McCain, are calling upon him to release.
“The Los Angeles Times did not publish the videotape because it was provided to us by a confidential source who did so on the condition that we not release it,” Russ Stanton, editor of the LA Times, has said. “The Times keeps its promises to sources.”
McCain today said, “The Los Angeles Times refuses to make that videotape public…I’m not in the business of talking about media bias…but what if there was a tape of John McCain with a neo-Nazi outfit…I think the treatment of the issue would be slightly different.”
But McCain has his own connection to Khalidi.
In 1993, McCain became chairman of the International Republican Institute. He still chairs that respected organization.
That same year, Khalidi helped found the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, self-described as “an independent academic research and policy analysis institution” created to meet “the need for active Palestinian scholarship on issues related to Palestine.” (Its archived Web site is HERE.)
Khalidi was on the board of trustees through 1999.
According to tax returns, the McCain-chaired IRI funded the organization Khalidi founded and served on to the tune of $448,873 in 1998 (click HERE to see the tax return)* as first reported by Seth Couter Walls at HuffPo.
The IRI continued to give money to the CPRS after Khalidi left the group as well.
Asked to respond to this seeming contradiction, McCain-Palin spokesman Michael Goldfarb writes, “It’s long been clear that Obama and Khalidi have a close relationship — that they were frequent dinner companions. It is another in a series of questionable associations, but it is not the focus of our request that the LA Times release this tape. It’s clear from the Times story that the evening featured speeches that were anti-Semitic in tone and anti-Israel in nature. As our initial statement said, ‘This campaign wants to know how Barack Obama responded to that hate-speech, whether he was mingling with Ayers, who he once described as ‘just a guy in my neighborhood,’ and anything else that might be of interest to voters now deciding who to support in this election.’”
(Goldfarb is referring to two speakers at Khalidi’s 2003 farewell party: “a young Palestinian American (who) recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, ‘then you will never see a day of peace,’” and another who “likened ‘Zionist settlers on the West Bank’ to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been ‘blinded by ideology.’”)
Continued Goldfarb: “Why would the media withhold information that might be damaging to a presidential candidate? It is certainly a luxury that you and your colleagues have never afforded this campaign.”
For his part, Obama was asked about his relationship with Khalidi in May at an event with Jewish voters in Boca Raton, Fla.
“I do know him because I taught at the University of Chicago,” Obama said. “And he is Palestinian. And I do know him and I have had conversations. He is not one of my advisors; he’s not one of my foreign policy people. His kids went to the Lab school where my kids go as well. He is a respected scholar, although he vehemently disagrees with a lot of Israel’s policy.
“To pluck out one person who I know and who I’ve had a conversation with who has very different views than 900 of my friends and then to suggest that somehow that shows that maybe I’m not sufficiently pro-Israel, I think, is a very problematic stand to take,” Obama said. “So, we gotta be careful about guilt by association.”
CapnAmerica
Posted October 29, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink
Excellent post, Cosmos, on McCain basically doing a 180 for political expediency.
By the way, outlander, where’s the outrage when ReguLIAR calls Obama “Osama”?
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Well, since you asked Capn, the same place, I suppose, that yours is when Monkeyhawk regularly refers to McCain as McC*unt, or McCoot, or Palin as GILFY, or Moose Dresser or any number of other slurs that fall so easily from the lips of the nutball left.
And then you whine and complain when Regular returned fire in some small measure.
Just an observation, since you asked.
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CapnAmerica
Posted October 29, 2008 at 7:48 pm | Permalink
Excellent post, Cosmos, on McCain basically doing a 180 for political expediency.
By the way, outlander, where’s the outrage when ReguLIAR calls Obama “Osama”?
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Just following Ted Kennedy’s lead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaRpx3LphI&feature=related
“Palin as GILFY,”
THIS is the first time I have seen that used. On this blog anyway.
And even where it IS used, it uh….is not meant as a shot.
Let me help outlander “G” irl (or God) “I” ‘d “L” ike ……..
Can you take it from there?
Actually the thought of….that….with her makes me physically ill.
John McCain gave half a million dollars to the Center for Palestine Research and Studies….that was headed by Rashid Khalidi!!!!!!!
What a frikin’ hypocrite!!!!!
NOW McCain is insinuating that Obama’s “infomercial” was paid for by corrupt money.
Geez…he’s so damn desperate!!
ONE tape of an event? How ridiculous is that assertion!? This is a world where everything that happens is on YouTube. There have been some stupid and highly exaggerated claims, but this one takes the cake!
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink
John McCain gave half a million dollars to the Center for Palestine Research and Studies….that was headed by Rashid Khalidi!!!!!!!
What a frikin’ hypocrite!!!!!
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Yes Mary, as previously explained several times for the promotion of Democratic principles in Palestine. You know, for things like voting and women’s rights.
On the other hand, Osama Obama directly consorted with specific members of the PLO, as in the former PLO director of finance Khalidi.
Paling around with terrorists and donating money to develop democratic principles on not even on the same footing.
The other day I posted about how history will record this election year and the efforts to win.
Yes in deed if the party wishes to regain the respect and trust of the people this is the way to do it!
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html
John McCain gave half a million dollars to an organization that was headed by Rashid Khalidi!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
“Paling around with terrorists and donating money to develop democratic principles on not even on the same footing.”
What a laugh….there were 3 Republicans that also served on the same board with Ayers along with Obama. Funny how the cons never mention that!
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 29, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink
“Paling around with terrorists and donating money to develop democratic principles on not even on the same footing.”
What a laugh….there were 3 Republicans that also served on the same board with Ayers along with Obama. Funny how the cons never mention that!
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Obama was co-chair. A much more influential position and he used it to give away 100million dollars that essentially went down the crapper as the education situation in Chicago has fallen way below standards.
I did something more intellegent, I watched Journey to the Center of the Earth..Good movie, I reccommend the movie to everyone.
Mr Kia, if you buy your car or truck in another county, you pay that county tax plus when you register that car or truck in Sedgwick you pay the tax again. I know it happen to me.
And how much have we wasted on a useless war that McCain has supported from the beginning? I’d say that did much more damage than trying to help people in the gettos of Chicago, Reg.
One BILLION dollars every three days! And McCain never wants to leave Iraq!
Fatal DUI involving McWorse? In 1964? True? How could that not be a matter of public record?
Was it covered up because his daddy was an admiral?
How long does this monkey business go on?
Why won’t McCain put that car accident business to rest? He seems to be afraid to deny it, which makes me wonder if he isn’t covering it up?
My prediction, he’ll deny it late Friday hoping the press will drop it over the weekend and then never mention it again.
John McCain gave half a million dollars to an organization that was headed by Rashid Khalidi!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Under bush law wouldn’t that make him a terrorist sympathizer and supporter? Off to Gitmo with him, no wonder he was against bush torture law.
Riiight, the money was for ballots not bullets (wink, wink), mccain is clearly a PLO financier.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_ge/fact_check_obama_ad
Something the left won’t want to read. The AP does a fact check on Obama’s infomercial.
Only those who seek the truth need look.
SO — Obama drops a few Million$$$ to air a campaign message (infomercial for those who insist)…. Not bad, when you got the donations to do it….
SO —- McCain gets a FREE HOUR on Larry King Live, on CNN….
Hmmmm… spreading the wealth, eh??? LOL
capnamerica.your math is killing me (still)…….2.4 percent of 10000 is 240 not 2400 as you posted. if your 1500 increase in taxes is correct when the tax cuts lapse you WILL recognize an increase in your taxes under obama i.e. a $1260 increase.
“On the other hand, Osama Obama directly consorted with specific members of the PLO, as in the former PLO director of finance Khalidi” — the wefu.
Wasn’t Yassir Arafat the head of the PLO for decades, and didn’t every single U.S. president during that time “consort” with him?
They ALL “pal around” with terrorists, by God…OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!
My thinking is the PLO is only a terrorist organization because bush so named it. Unfair to palistinians in America that want to see their country liberated.
But if they want Americans can freely financially support zionist.
Since Obama chose to LIE, then there sure was a risk of broadcasting a 1/2 Hour Car Salesman type of TV Commercial.
A Crest toothpaste AD was more honest, and more interesting.
AP FACT CHECK: Obama Ad Avoids Budget Realities
The Associated Press takes a look at the details in Obama’s prime-time ad
WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.
Obama’s assertion that “I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond” the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by “eliminating programs that don’t work” masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are — beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.
A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn’t tell them:
THE SPIN: “That’s why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year.”
THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it’s not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.
THE SPIN: “I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care.”
THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: “I want to start doing something about it.” He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.
THE SPIN: “I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost.”
THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama’s policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: “Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years.” The analysis goes on to say: “Neither candidate’s plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified.”
THE SPIN: “Here’s what I’ll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we’ll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. ”
THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial — that: “The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/29/ap-fact-check-obama-ad-avoids-budget-realities/
This is certainly a Radical Liberal view. What happened to the biggest Jew Hater on the blog? Did he change his name to Phantom?
Phantom
Posted October 30, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink
My thinking is the PLO is only a terrorist organization because bush so named it. Unfair to palistinians in America that want to see their country liberated.
But if they want Americans can freely financially support zionist.
Love the quotes from Fox news….please…at least try to find information to post from other sources…lol.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_ge/fact_check_obama_ad
Obama’s prime-time ad skips over budget realities
CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer Calvin Woodward, Associated Press Writer – Wed Oct 29, 9:18 pm ET
WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.
Obama’s assertion that “I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond” the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by “eliminating programs that don’t work” masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are — beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.
A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn’t tell them:
THE SPIN: “That’s why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year.”
THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it’s not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.
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THE SPIN: “I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care.”
THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: “I want to start doing something about it.” He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.
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THE SPIN: “I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost.”
THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama’s policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: “Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years.” The analysis goes on to say: “Neither candidate’s plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified.”
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THE SPIN: “Here’s what I’ll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we’ll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. ”
THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial — that: “The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals.”
(Not from Fox)
(Provided for those illegal aliens who cannot read English)
Source AP means the s o u r c e is:
Associated Press
“His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount.”
That would be TRUE… Because he never claimed that… He claimed that “health care costs” would be lowered by $2500 per year for the average family….
Damn, the least you could do is not MINCE WORDS….
Look — PREMIUMS are only one part of “health care costs” —
And Children??? Yea, like SCHIP only covers CHILDREN as well….
Get some caffeine, BM…. Put ON your reading, AND thinking hats…. Try again!!
All I know is, as soon as President McCain is introduced, I’m putting on my bumper sticker that says:
Don’t brick me, I voted for Obama.
Regarding Obama’s infomercial:
Best commentary yet, from those who know infomercials best:
“All Sham, no Wow”
http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/2008/10/all_sham_no_wow.html
Beautiful. And not a word wasted.
Snow blankets London for Global Warming debate
Track this topic Print story How Parliament passed the Climate Bill
By Andrew Orlowski
Posted in Government, 29th October 2008 12:35 GMT
Snow fell as the House of Commons debated Global Warming yesterday – the first October fall in the metropolis since 1922. The Mother of Parliaments was discussing the Mother of All Bills for the last time, in a marathon six hour session.
In order to combat a projected two degree centigrade rise in global temperature, the Climate Change Bill pledges the UK to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent by 2050. The bill was receiving a third reading, which means both the last chance for both democratic scrutiny and consent.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/29/commons_climate_change_bill/
Ooops.
Oh, BTW – Here’s the actual translation of the 2nd paragraph: “In order to combat a projected two degree centigrade rise in global temperature, the Climate Change Bill pledges the UK to gut it’s economy and move back to the Stone Age.
Well, either that, or they will promply ignore the “targets” they’ve just set.
Congratulations, Britons. You used to be a great nation.
Dat Obama commerical was the best TV show I ever did see.
I hope dey play it agin toonight!
Guess it was a risk worth taking as it pulled in 31 mil. viewers.
I thought it was a little schmaltzy, but not badly done.
Cheap Posted October 30, 2008 at 10:59 pm | Permalink
I thought it sucked.
That’s nice.
Phantom
Posted October 30, 2008 at 9:39 am | Permalink
My thinking is the PLO is only a terrorist organization because bush so named it. Unfair to palistinians in America that want to see their country liberated.
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The PLO have been known as terrorists, at least in my lifetime. The Olympics in Germany is where they became well known when they attacked Israelis there.