“The over-the-moon reaction by conservative commentators and activists to Sarah Palin’s debate performance puzzled me – until I came up with a hypothesis to explain the phenomenon,” Eugene Robinson wrote in a Washington Post blog. “Tell me if you think I’m right or wrong: For ‘movement’ conservatives, the vice presidential debate was less about 2008 than about 2012 and beyond. . . . Under my scenario, for ideological conservatives it will be a pity if McCain loses to Barack Obama but not a disaster. If that happens, I can pretty much guarantee that Sarah Palin will be back four years from now. Somewhere, the ‘Palin 2012′ bumper stickers are probably already being printed.”
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Can Sarah Palin get insurance under McCain’s health care plan?
Doubtful. With a down syndrome child, which the insurance companies consider a pre-existing condition, such a child becomes untouchable in the insurance business unless you can fork over the dough. However, the McCain plan will tax your insurance as income and provide a measly $5,000 tax credit for you to find a health care plan.
Health care plan for under $5,000? Not likely when Sarah is dragging Twig, Twitter, Thumper of whatever the kid’s name is. According to the National Down Syndrome Congress:
http://www.ndsccenter.org/resources/position6.php
“For those people with Down syndrome who do have congential or other health conditions requiring medical intervention, insurance companies have denied them access because of their preexisting conditions.
The whole issue of access to health insurance places an extraordinary burden on families and persons with Down syndrome and other disabilities. Families and adults with Down syndrome are forced to consider issues of obtaining or maintaining health insurance coverage above career and other significant life decisions. Even when they are able to access health insurance coverage, the financial cost can be exorbitant.”
Can Palin get health care under McCain’s plan? No.
Using ideological and conservative in the same sentence is the ultimate oxymoron. Conservatives have no ideology; they have fanaticism. Like lemmings, they clump together, blindly following the likes of Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Coulter, and the rest of the neo-con spin machine.
Sarah Palin is a flash in the pan. She looks good, which is all the neo-cons can see anyway. I predict more blow up dolls of her than bumper stickers.
” I predict more blow up dolls of her than bumper stickers.” — J.M. Walker.
Please, please: I need the URL.
Phil Brownlee: Are you again trying to push running water up hill? Obviously, from all reports, the world is fascinated by Sarah Palin’s meteoric appearance on the world political scene.
Your title should be, “Is it all about Palin in 2008?”
I don’t think Palin can come back after showing how ridiculously ignorant she is. If they do run her again, they should be embarassed and ashamed.
Good point, “Maggotpunk” –
At a recent high school reunion a guy told me about how his marriage ended when his ex started pulling the train in biker bars.
It was the mid-90s and he was devastated. His family doctor prescribed anti-depressants. He retired early and tried to get private health insurance. Because of that long-ago prescription — he says he took three or four pills and didn’t like the effect they had and threw away the rest — Blue Cross denied coverage because he had “a history of Clinical Depression.”
IT is nothing so thoughtout and conspiratorial, Phill. It is just Sarah Impalin libs like you with commons sense and true American values.
She really is just a pretty hockey mom at the end of the day.
And libs like you are the puck.
It is the strangest of elections.
Obama is beating McCain. A leapin’ leftist with no resume but one from the twilight zone and call for CHANGE.
Palin is beating Biden with no resume but one from Monty Python and a cute face that is not Beltway material.
It is all about how sick we are of DC as usual. Americans have grown to hate, hate our political overlords.
Obama/Palin is the dream ticket. With yardsigns held up by pitchforks.
You idiots. It’s all about Palin becuase you stupid liberal media types keep TALKING about her. Nary a day goes by without you paying tribute to her.
It’s really all about pings. Palin excites the party and the media makes money on readership.
bjb – good points. And I would also ’sort of’ go along with dionysus that Palin is big “becuase you stupid CONSERVATIVE media types keep TALKING about her.”
Palin ‘rising from the ashes’ of a 2008 defeat of the ticket would be much more likely than someone like Hillery (or Biden) doing the same if Obama loses. In their case they are moch too old (in DC years, not chronological years) to pull that.
If Obama wins you can bet that the professional haters in the media will be after him even before inauguration – just as they were with Clinton.
“they clump together, blindly following the likes of Limbaugh…”
Morning Walker! There ya go again. You are more fixated on the likes of Rush and Palin than your “neocons” ever were. Let’s count posts by libs w/Rush in the content versus “neocons” (whomever and whatever they are, I guess you libs have a secret convention and vote on which of us are which – but more likely we are all LUMPED together. Like lumping blacks libs lump “neocons”).
Now, lets count posts by libs on Palin.
Whom is really idolizing whom?
(Psssst! Hey Editor! Can we have another Palin Thread?)
The libs will like another lump…..
“It’s really all about pings. ”
That’s it! You got it!
Every time a lib posts the word “Rush”, his popularity meter goes up. It matters not whether it is pro or con. It’s all about how many web sites, how many viewers, readers, and listeners are tuning in. Post a big negative, on another popular talk show, Rush gets a bonus. Get a congressman to bad mouth him – Rush gets another signing bonus.
The best thing you guys can do is keep talking about him. You aren’t convincing anyone to change their views or opinions. You are helping him roll in the money.
Not to mention the WEBLOG, Eagle, and the McClatchy Company get advertising dollars.
Ditto Palin.
American_Way
Posted October 4, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink
“they clump together, blindly following the likes of Limbaugh…”
Morning Walker! There ya go again. You are more fixated on the likes of Rush and Palin than your “neocons” ever were
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Like I said, I always wanted to be a fat 400 million dollar doper with three ex-wives and a penchant for both lying to and plagiarizing the public:-) . . . simply jealousy.
LOL
I have to admit that I’m looking forward to a “Where in the world is Sarah Palin?” thread, which has got to be forthcoming.
The VP traditionally gets a whole lot of access to the means of production when it comes to PR (ie, the media). A clever VP can turn that into a real advantage for the ticket: witness Dick Cheney in 2000. Why is Palin absent from this?
McCain’s backers have to be metaphorically kicking his *ss over the Palin pick.
All fluff and no substance = Palin = AWOL in October.
Under my scenario, for ideological conservatives it will be a pity if McCain loses to Barack Obama but not a disaster. If that happens, I can pretty much guarantee that Sarah Palin will be back four years from now. Somewhere, the ‘Palin 2012? bumper stickers are probably already being printed.”
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I don’t think so. If McCain doesn’t win, I do not see Palin as the nominee in 2012. She isn’t that great. But also nowhere near what the smug haters on the left paint her as.
I see that Kathleeen whats-her-face had a followup column today and related her misgivings about Palin to her misgivings about the savior Obama. Obama’s lack of readiness and extreme liberal positions are the real question.
Every time a lib posts the word “Rush”, a neocon gets his wings.
As much as it goes against my nature, I think that it is time to start ignoring the distraction the loony left has created with their unconscionable treatment of Sarah Palin. The normal response of real men is to defend the lady being attacked by in this case, leftist creeps. But in doing so, the spotlight leaves where it should be focused. On Obama, on his lack of experience, his radical associations, and his extreme left ideology.
Let’s get back on offense.
Outlander I agree. That’s the best defense.
outlander
Posted October 4, 2008 at 8:11 am | Permalink
I don’t think so. If McCain doesn’t win, I do not see Palin as the nominee in 2012. She isn’t that great. But also nowhere near what the smug haters on the left paint her as.
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I wouldn’t be so sure. After all, movement conservatives pulled if off in 2000. It’s a neat trick: given 8 years of wonk-heavy government, find a pretty face, package it correctly, sell sell sell.
Their problem is that 2008 is all about content, given that the first pretty boy has left a really nasty flavor on America’s collective tongue. After 4 years of more wonkiness, I’m sure they’ll measure their chances at pulling this trick off once more. Palin would be a natural.
Towards the end of (last night’s) Joe Biden/Sarah Palin debate, Joe Biden said this: “All you have to do is to go down Union Street with me in Wilmington and go to Katie’s restaurant…”
Biden was referring to the long-closed Katie’s Italian restaurant, which is actually two blocks away from Union Street. The establishment is now a Wings to Go.
Now lets’ see where that Home Depot is in Washington DC!!
Republicans have their pretty girl, and libs have their pretty boy saviour.
yin and yang
CHARGE 10 – “I am fluent in Indonesian.”
EVIDENCE – Not one teacher says that Senator Obama could speak the language at the time.
SOURCE 1 = http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/obama-girl-lose.htmL
(Kirsten Scharnberg and Kim Barker, “The Not-So-Simple Story Of Barack Obama’s Youth,” Chicago Tribune)
COUNTER CLAIM – What does it matter that Senator Obama can’t speak fluent Indonesian?
REBUTTAL – YET AGAIN, if it does not matter, what is the motivation for lying about it publicly? Apparently we are to infer, by Senator Obama’s supposed “fluency” in Indonesian, that he is very sophisticated and experienced in “foreign affairs”. Perhaps Senator Obama feels that grade school French and Spanish qualifies most U.S. students as UN diplomats.
VERDICT – SENATOR OBAMA, YOU ARE A LIAR
Palin in 2012, or Palin in 2016, either bumper sticker is surely being worked up on a PC leased by Grover Norquist as we speak.
2016 may be more likely, though.
See you guys jump the shark, totally, when you accuse Obama of lying, or of consorting with terrorists, or BEING a terrorist (some of youse are more immune to irony than others of youse), or take your pick of the other laughable charges being made against Obama.
If you want others to pay attention, start with stuff that might have a foothold in the world of reality.
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Political_mama
Posted October 4, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink
I don’t think Palin can come back after showing how ridiculously ignorant she is. If they do run her again, they should be embarassed and ashamed.
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P_mom, that’s exactly why the right is so enamored of Palin. She’s ignorant. Look what we have for president now. Conservatives want a president that’s as ignorant as they are.
There is no way Gov Palin’s experience as mayor of a tiny burg, and short time as Alaska’s Gov, compares with Sen Biden’s 36 long years in the US Congress.
The way to attack Gov Palin is with the experience difference. I am uncomfortable hearing democrats attacking Palin by portraying her as a “ditzy woman”. The comments about winks, sex, looks, and such are more indicative of what I would expect by the republican party.
Biden has been in government since Palin was in elementary school. That’s what counts. Not how she appears in the flesh.
Must be a Lib thing to wake up every morning with so much hate.
After the debate I switched to Fox to hear what they were saying, Palin appeal from listening to the talking head there is simple. They were talking about how attractive she is and cute with an overflowing of sexy and looks. She appeals to the head of some, but it is the smaller of the two heads. She generates to the “ a smile and a sensual wink will get you anything you want” factor.
But for those of us whom at least try to think with the head that you are intended to think with. She is Dan Quayle like. I had read that Quayle is far more intelligent then he seems but has trouble showing his intelligences. So many thoughts running through his head at the same time that his mouth can not express them in a intelligent manner.
Palin has appeal as a President but only because she would be more pleasurable to watch giving the State of the Union address than the old male Presidents. Men can watch her giving it the same way they watch porn.
Sound off as it is not the words that they are finding sexy and alluring. She would be the most beloved President in any jail or prison in the country.
Sarah Palin is cut from the same cloth as George W Bush.
If you would describe Bush as vacuous (intellectually idle) — and I would — then I believe you can describe Palin as similarly vacuous.
Ditzy is a sexist term, surely.
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American_Way
Posted October 4, 2008 at 8:16 am | Permalink
Every time a lib posts the word “Rush”, a neocon gets his wings.
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. . . and every time a neo-con posts the word rush, a Liberal chuckles.
(chuckle)
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Regular
Posted October 4, 2008 at 8:40 am | Permalink
Must be a Lib thing to wake up every morning with so much hate.
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. . . and it must be a neo-con thing to wake up every morning with no clue:-)
“Conservatives want a president that’s as ignorant as they are.”
Heheheheh.
Boy, aint that the truth!
They’ve sure succeeded over the last eight years.
How’s that workin’ out for us?
Sarah Palin vs. Senator Hillary Clinton?
BRING IT ON!
Hillary is entitled to that battle after lil Sarah was given for free everything Clinton fought so hard for.
Ah but it will not be. Oh there will be a small and vocal movement for lil Sarah. Assuming of course she hasn’t been prosecuted by then for abuse of office. But Sarah Palin has no wide, staying appeal. She’s a fad.
“. . . and it must be a neo-con thing to wake up every morning with no clue:-)”
HA Walker!
Judging from the late night posts here, it seems it’s easy to wakeup clueless if you also go to bed clueless…
Somebody accused the left of anger. Heh.
I office with a handful of extremely conservative citizens, a couple of whom could be described as the ideal target audience for movement conservatives. I would hesitate to call them movement conservatives only because they aren’t wealthy enough (yet) to earn that sobriquet.
They are extremely smart, capable, quiet, thoughtful family men whose faces pinch up slightly whenever politics is mentioned. The most remarkable thing about them is how political discussion transforms that quiet, causes the pinch. These guys seethe with anger when it comes to Democrats. They are literally enraged by Obama. Their anger is shocking in its intensity.
Believe me the right wasn’t shortchanged when it came to distribution of anger.
I dont like that term “ditzy woman” either, although I know Pre and her friends have reclaimed it and given it a positive spin.
And that’s only funny because Pre is so NOT ditzy!
Sarah will probably be impeached in Alaska. And if not they’ll vote her out.
You libs are stupid and clueless. Haha.
Just trying to sink to the lib level of intelligent discourse.
dadman, franklin, reg, et al: Wash, rinse, repeat.
my my – how the liberal/socialist/democrat/Marxists/
Leninists/atheists show their jealousy – they like be enraged – spit-n-coffee-n-flakes – SAHAH PALIN – A REAL FEMENIST – A REAL WOMAN – REAL COURAGE – REAL VALUES – REAL VISION – John McCain made a great choice
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outlander
Posted October 4, 2008 at 8:53 am | Permalink
You libs are stupid and clueless. Haha.
Just trying to sink to the lib level of intelligent discourse.
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Being as you neo-cons have no clue as to what constitutes intelligent discourse (witness: Sarah Palin), us libs are not in the least bit worried.
And there you go, Robinson’s point is made.
Palin in 2012: it ain’t out of the question.
Re dadman and outlander.
BlueJay sings…
Smile though your heart is breaking…
Might depend on how she holds up over the next 4 yrs.
Oh go wake up on the other side of the bed, JM Walker. You are so dumb
Man, arguing the liberal way is really tough. You have to turn your brain way down.
Or four weeks Phantom.
As I said yesterday, John McCain is running out of time and running behind.
IF the race does not close soon, he has no choice but to go negative. And somehow? I don’t think John McCain is gonna have a big problem going negative. In fact? I think he will go negative to the point of scorched earth.
She didn’t win the debate, but she did win the ms. Congeniality crown. That should be good enough for the top of the ticket next time.
Agreed. Palin needs a Karl Rove, a connected movement conservative to see in her the perfect vehicle (ala George W Bush), and groom her.
Might not happen for her – she’s really a populist. She’s hardly a traditional conservative.
But judging by the packaging and her television skills she would certainly make a great vehicle.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 4, 2008 at 8:49 am | Permalink
“. . . and it must be a neo-con thing to wake up every morning with no clue:-)”
HA Walker!
Judging from the late night posts here, it seems it’s easy to wakeup clueless if you also go to bed clueless…
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Actually, I was doing some 3D modeling.
Made some mason jars with lids and put some goodies in them, preserves, pickles etc.
Today, I’ll add the cloth ribbons that tie around the neck of the jars like you see in state fairs. Then the labels, the table they set on, some state fair looking ground (dirt and straw :D)
It’s a good hobby and I used the time creatively, stopping by here in drive-by fashion to unleash a barrel or two from the shoot gun on a rambling liberal. :)
BlueJay sings…
He’s a real nowhere man…
Meanwhile, back in Alaska …
Alaska judge refuses to halt troopergate probe
An Anchorage judge today refused to halt the Legislature’s investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin and denied the state attorney general’s attempt to throw out legislative subpoenas.
Superior Court Judge Peter Michalski heard arguments from both sides Thursday morning and ruled just before 5 p.m. Alaska time.
“I think it’s great. It’s a big day for the state of Alaska,” said Peter Maassen, the lawyer representing the Legislative Council, which ordered the investigation.
Maassen said he expected the other side to attempt a last-minute appeal to the state Supreme Court.
It’s last-minute because the investigator hired by the Legislative Council, Steve Branchflower, is to present his report in a week. Branchflower is looking into Palin’s dismissal of her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, and whether she improperly pressured him to fire a state trooper divorced from her sister. There is intense national interest in the outcome now that Palin is the Republican nominee for vice president.
Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg said he didn’t know whether he’d appeal or if he’ll now advise the subpoenaed state officals to cooperate with the investigation. He said he needed to consult with them.
“I’m going to talk to the clients before I talk to you,” he said.
Five Republican state legislators sued to stop the investigation, and Colberg, a Palin appointee, asked the judge to throw out the legislative subpoenas. The governor’s husband, Todd, and nearly a dozen state officials have refused to honor the subpoeanas ordering them to testify, and they face the threat of possible jail time.
Thomas Van Flein, the Anchorage attorney representing both Todd and Sarah Palin, watched the court hearing today. He said in an interview afterward that, if the judge refused to throw out the subpoenas, he would expect Todd Palin to testify after all.
“Short of appeal to the Alaska Supreme Court, which no one has talked about, I don’t see why we wouldn’t just have Todd testify,” he said.
Anchorage Democratic Sen. Hollis French, who is overseeing the investigation, said he would let Branchflower decide how to deal with potential testimony from anyone who previously defied the subpoenas but now wants to cooperate.
The governor initially said she’d cooperate with the Legislature’s investigation but changed course after her nomination as vice president, saying it’s politicized and that the state Personnel Board has jurisdiction over whether she did anything wrong. The McCain-Palin campaign said the Palins are cooperating in the Personnel Board investigation, but it is out of public view and might not be done before the Nov. 4 election.
Today’s hearing in a small courtroom downtown was packed with reporters from around the nation, as well as state legislators and local lawyers fascinated with the case.
Maassen, the lawyer representing the Legislative Council, told the judge if the Alaska Legislature doesn’t have the power to investigate the governor, it’s the only one in the U.S. that doesn’t. He said it would have seismic consequences for the separation of powers between the branches of government if the judge were to shut down the investigation.
“Is there anybody in this courtroom who really wants to live in a state in which the executive (branch) is accountable only to the executive? I would think, I used to think, that the answer to that would be a resounding no,” Maassen said in his argument.
Kevin Clarkson, a lawyer for the five Republican state legislators who sued, argued that Alaska’s Constitution is unique in that it guarantees “fair and just” treatment of people who are under investigation by the Legislature.
“The manner in which the investigation is being conducted, the individuals by whom it is being conducted and the timing within which it is being conducted, violates the fundamental affirmative individual constitutional right to fair and just treatment,” he said.
The bipartisan Legislative Council voted unanimously in late July to order the investigation. But Clarkson argued the Democratic lawmakers leading the effort have shown, through actions and statements to the press, that they support Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and Monegan, the public safety commissioner who Palin dismissed in July. He also pointed to statements by French, who is overseeing the investigation, that impeachment is a possibility and that Palin could face a damaging “October Surprise” from the Branchflower report.
Maassen countered that state legislators are inherently partisan and that is no justification for taking away their power to investigate.
State assistant attorney general Jan Hart DeYoung challenged the Legislative Council’s authority to launch the investigation and for the Senate Judiciary Committee issue the subpoenas. The full Legislature, which is in recess until January, has never voted to approve the investigation, she said.
“As far as we can discern, the only reason the Judiciary Committee has been inserted into the process is that it is the committee that (French) chairs,” Hart DeYoung argued to the judge.
Maassen told the judge that the Legislature has the power to investigate, and has the right to do so through a council or committee.
“We’ve heard this term rogue investigators and rogue legislators and rogue committees. … If there were 40 legislators who really agreed this was a rogue process and needed to be brought to a screeching halt, those 40 legislators could convene a special session of the Legislature,” he said.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53405.html
02:10:31pm 10/03/2008fontaine
Send that trash back to Alaska and make her pay the consequences for her actions.
10:10:24am 10/03/2008watcher
Gov. Sarah Palin should be undergoing for investigation to clear her name that she is willing to before she is pick as republican vice presidential nominee.
08:10:07am 10/03/2008charliemack
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This situation along with running for VP and the VP debate is taking its toll on Palin. She needs to back off, mainly for her own physical and mental health. She is undergoing a lot of stress right now and as I watched her during the debate she looked stressed and unsure of herself.
If you really looked and listened to her when she made her acceptance speech you could tell she was not comfortable and covered it up with a lot of the “training” she got from entering beauty contests.
05:10:09am 10/03/2008akkhv
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Yay, McCain’s reviled “Palin Truth Squad” lost! Ed O’Callaghan can go back to New York to prosecute terrorists and the Liberty Legal Institute team can return to Texas with their far right righteousness. Alaskans have not appreciated your intrusive attempt to disrupt the balance of power within our State government. Gov. Palin, hubby Todd, and her staff need to cooperate fully with the investigator asap–no excuses! We deserved straight answers two months ago.
12:10:28am 10/03/2008Maggie
I do believe and pray Sarah will be safely back in Alaska, the day after
our National Election so she can attend to her Troopergate Mess.
Will McCain keep his A-Team lawyers up in Alaska for Sarah after
they lose the election?
Sarah Palin: George W. Bush of the North?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEfE48-A4vs
Kathleen Parker must be getting a truckload of mail from blind partisans on the right. That last sentence from today’s column can be seen as the conservative columnist’s attempt to throw her smarting readers a doggy bone. The comparison between Palin and Obama is a howler, and all but the, “I’m on the Republican team, no matter what,” crowd knew it the minute Palin started reciting neocon gibberish in the Gibson interview, never mind the iambic pentameter fragment moments in the Couric debacle.
Here’s what conservative columnist Krauthammer said of Obama in The Washington Post yesterday: “Like Palin, he’s a rookie, but in his 19 months on the national stage he has achieved fluency in areas in which he has no experience. In the foreign policy debate with McCain, as in his July news conference with French President Nicolos Sarkozy, Obama held his own — fluid, familiar and therefore plausibly presidential.” (McCain / Palin faithful are given permission to recite it together: “Ouch.”) Krauthammer later says of Obama: “He’s got both a first-class intellect and a first-class temperament. That will likely be enough to make him president.”
Meanwhile, McCain is falling behind and he’s clearly angry about it. He should probably set time aside each morning for Zen meditation. His cat on a hot tin roof antics and surly demeanor are not playing very well in a turbulent economic climate.
What’s it all mean for Palin? She will likely be given the three year interval to sit on the sidelines and study up on the world that we actually live in. At some point in 2010, she may come to the conclusion that being in close geographic proximity to Russia matters little when it comes to the ins and outs of foreign policy. In three years time, if she works, the Alaskan Governor could eventually form her own fluent approach to the world instead of merely reciting what McCain’s neocon handlers crammed her full of for the election. She’s not without gifts and I won’t be writing her off.
You can’t fix stupid….if Sara Palin is considered good presidential material, then America deserves whatever it gets.
I, for one, will be living elsewhere in a country I’m still amazed how many Americans and Europeans live in foreign countries now since Bush took office. It must be a good thing to be away from all the insanity that has taken over our country.
Can you see it? It’s so obvious.
The brief but strong and ill wind that was with Sarah Palin is just about blown out.
Oh there is a love letter here, a rearguard defense there. But there is no honest energy in them anymore.
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 4, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink
You can’t fix stupid….if Sara Palin is considered good presidential material, then America deserves whatever it gets.
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Governor Palin is running for President?
Actually, Obama has a greater chance of dieing than John McCain because of Obama’s history of smoking.
Being black, a past drug user and smoker, I bet Obama’s cholesterol is sky high and his arteries around his heart just packed with plaque.
Being black, a past drug user and smoker, I bet Obama’s cholesterol is sky high and his arteries around his heart just packed with plaque.
DAVID L. SCHEINER, M.D.
Hyde Park Associates in Medicine, Ltd.
1515 East 52nd Place, Chicago, IL 60615
To Whom It May Concern:
I am David L. Scheiner, a board certified general internist licensed to practice in the State of Illinois. I am on staff at the University of Chicago Hospitals and Rush University Medical Center. I have been Senator Barack Obama’s primary care physician since March 23, 1987. The following is a summary of his medical records for the past 21 years.
During that period of time, Senator Obama has been in excellent health. He has been seen regularly for medical checkups and various minor problems such as upper respiratory infections, skin rashes and minor injuries.
His family history is pertinent for his mother’s death from ovarian cancer and grandfather who died of prostate cancer. His own history included intermittent cigarette smoking. He has quit this practice on several occasions and is currently using Nicorette gum with success.
Senator Obama’s last medical checkup was on January 15, 2007; he had no complaints. He exercised regularly often jogging three miles. His diet was balanced with good intake of roughage and fluids. A complete review of systems was unremarkable. On physical examination, his blood pressure was 90/60 and pulse 60/minute. His build was lean and muscular with no excess body fat. His physical examination was completely normal.
Laboratory studies included triglycerides of 44(normal under 150), cholesterol 173 (normal under 200), HDL 68 (normal over 40), and LDL 96 (normal under 130). Chem 24, urinalysis and CBC were normal, PSA was 0.6, very good. An EKG was normal.
In short, his examination showed him to be in excellent health. Senator Barack Obama is in overall good physical and mental health needed to maintain the resiliency required in the Office of President.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10686.html
Granted, that’s not excruciating detail, but it ain’t bad.
Now let’s see McCain get a similar statement from this doctor.
Er, his doctor. . .
“Being black, a past drug user and smoker, I bet Obama’s cholesterol is sky high and his arteries around his heart just packed with plaque.”
The pictures of him energetically shooting baskets with people without getting winded say otherwise.
The pictures of him energetically shooting baskets with people without getting winded say otherwise.
Some of whom were probably half his age, too.
Interesting health check there Rage, too bad it didn’t include venous return and arterial flow checks.
Smoking and drug use damages the arteries and tissues and is often not discovered diagnostically until years later.
bth, I knew smokers that played basketball for hours and they appeared healthy.
I bet as they grew older, their health wasn’t so good.
Obama’s health is just like his politics.
It appears good, but the underlying rot and damaged underpinnings of his philosophy it will take years before the first symptoms show up as terminal illness to this country.
Again: Let’s see Mr. Melanoma release similar information.
I posted above as to the deflating enthusiasm of the cons.
As we see, it is not taking long for that to sink into angry despair.
Heh. Maybe the cons will make a commercial where Sarah Palin leads them in a plucky sing a long of High Hopes.
Thank you Dr. Regular for your expert diagnosis.
It’s interesting to see Krauthammer finally speaking of Obama in positive terms. I suspect doubts about Palin and the polls have resigned him to the possibility of McCain losing the election.
Though, it’s still only a possibility. As it’s been said, a month is a lifetime in presidential politics.
From Royall’s 9:18 pm post re: Krauthammer:
“…Part of reassurance is intellectual. Like Palin, he’s a rookie, but in his 19 months on the national stage he has achieved fluency in areas in which he has no experience. In the foreign policy debate with McCain, as in his July news conference with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Obama held his own — fluid, familiar and therefore plausibly presidential.”
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That’s the thing about Obama. More and more this “plausibly presidential” is, in my mind, becoming “this guy may be great.”
First class intellect and first class temperament: this can lead to greatness. It’s not necessary, and it’s not sufficient, but it certainly helps.
There were 3 really smart people running for prez (Clinton, Obama, Romney), plus a guy on the sidelines who’s no dummy (Bloomberg, NYC mayor). Now there is only one, Obama.
Believe me, after 8 years of dimming the lights at 9pm no matter what, plus 2 hours of bike-ridin’ every day, America will need every watt of the next president’s light bulb. The more watts the better.
“Actually, Obama has a greater chance of dieing than John McCain because of Obama’s history of smoking.”
Well, I’d rather have Joe Biden at the helm than Sara Palin. She’d have us in a war with Russia beofe it was all over..I can’t believe she’s that stupid that she would even say those things about Putin and Russia…diplomacy is obviously not a concept she embraces.
Obama’s the only candidate left standing who can work all day long AND still manage to process new information while he’s doing it.
This talent is crucial to success in these times. McCain doesn’t have it, apparently, and obviously Palin doesn’t either.
If Obama is elected, and if he and Biden develop a close working relationship, then Biden may be really good for Obama’s development.
The Obama/Biden ticket is beginning to look like pretty darn good news for the USA if you ask me.
Bush talked about the “evil” empire…and now she talks about Putin invading our air space..deja vu.
I agree Pendant…it’s time for intellect, common sense, and diplomacy to return to the White House. The “shoot from the hip” mentality and making decisions based on “gut instinct” doesn’t work, Bush was proof of that.
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bth
Posted October 4, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
Thank you Dr. Regular for your expert diagnosis.
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You’re quite welcome.
BTW, shooting baskets doesn’t indicate anything of being in shape, other than your arms still work.
Jogging three miles is nothing.
About five miles is when cardiovascular kicks in for long term benefits.
I did a little search engine math…
“Palin”+”debate”+”bounce”
All I find are stories from BEFORE the debate.
What coulda been?
On what is, I find nothing at all.
“First class intellect and first class temperament…” — Pedant
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Qualities I see and admire each time he speaks. Along with clear policies that will improve our country and her citizens.
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Posted October 4, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink
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bth
Posted October 4, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
Thank you Dr. Regular for your expert diagnosis.
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You’re quite welcome.
BTW, shooting baskets doesn’t indicate anything of being in shape, other than your arms still work.
Jogging three miles is nothing.
About five miles is when cardiovascular kicks in for long term benefits.
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When was the last time you jogged three miles or more? And when are you going to post McCain’s physical results?
While it may not matter to the totally committed, before there’s a Palin in 2012, there, ideally, has to be a Palin in 2010.
Things are looking are little dicey for the guv back in the frontier state, ya know.
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Posted October 4, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 4, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink
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bth
Posted October 4, 2008 at 9:46 am | Permalink
Thank you Dr. Regular for your expert diagnosis.
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You’re quite welcome.
BTW, shooting baskets doesn’t indicate anything of being in shape, other than your arms still work.
Jogging three miles is nothing.
About five miles is when cardiovascular kicks in for long term benefits.
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When was the last time you jogged three miles or more? And when are you going to post McCain’s physical results?
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Been awhile because of my injuries.
I ran five to six miles a day for about 20+ years though.
I really don’t care about McCain’s health results.
FDR had polio and appeared to do fine for almost four terms.
Appears you have a prejudiced towards people with physical disabilities and age discrimination.
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Regular
Posted October 4, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
Been awhile because of my injuries.
I ran five to six miles a day for about 20+ years though.
I really don’t care about McCain’s health results.
FDR had polio and appeared to do fine for almost four terms.
Appears you have a prejudiced towards people with physical disabilities and age discrimination.
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So why, exactly, are you concerned with Obama’s health? Am I detecting a bit of a hypocrites partisanship, or is it all my fault for calling you out on it.
Obviously ALL your fault, JMW! IOKIYAR.
Shrub wanted the bailout. John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) wanted the bailout. Boehner wanted the bailout.
But the typical Republic Party voter and most of the Kansas congressional delegation are against it.
So just who is the Republic Party leader these days?
See? That’s your problem, RepubliCONs.
Part of you are rabid right-wing-nuts and part of you are scum-sucking bottom-feeders. And the only way you can get Halliburton money is to pervert the whole concept of government of, by, and for the…y’know, “people.”
Don’thcha know, dad-gummit, the only-est Republic Party personality who seems to connect with “people” is the Bullwinkle-Assassin? (wink wink hair-flip)
“Palin in 2012?”
The Republic Party is destined to become the 21st Century Whig party.
But first! They’re the “Know-Nothings!”
From a comment posted yesterday…
I’m really wondering if Rich Lowry fell asleep during the debate and woke up at the beginning of the rerun of it.
And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing.
In his dreams, maybe. By the end, Palin’s smile had not only dimmed, it had disappeared. The stress of the hour and a half debate was clearly showing on her face. She had stopped smiling and the lines around her mouth deepened with each answer. She referred to her notecards more. Even her neck began to show signs of stress. I dare anyone to go back and watch the debate with the sound off and honestly say she was still her sparkling self during at least the last half hour. If she’d had to go another half hour, I honestly don’t think she could have done it, and only because I don’t think she’s accustomed to doing what she did for the long period of time she was required to do it. That does not mean that, in the future, she would do the same.
This is not meant as a slam on Sarah Palin. It’s an honest observation, something Mr. Lowry didn’t attempt.
More meanwhile back in Alaska…
(From bth’s earlier post)Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg said he didn’t know whether he’d appeal or if he’ll now advise the subpoenaed state officals to cooperate with the investigation. He said he needed to consult with them.
Looks like the consultation didn’t last long. Desperate people do desperate things.
Supreme Court to hear Troopergate appeal
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/545140.html
Part of you are rabid right-wing-nuts and part of you are scum-sucking bottom-feeders.
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I won’t lower myself to discuss the idiotic points that Monkey makes with him, because he is a vile partisan creep.
But anyone that wants to get scummy crud all over yourself, feel free to do so.
Palin’s dead moose meat.
I predict after her failed campaign and impeachment in Alaska, she’ll end up a wealthy anchor on FOX (fur and balanced).
It’s magnificent in a way.
If Palin had failed badly in the debate, the RNC and McCain could have made the news and moved the news by dumping her for someone new. But Palin did just well enough to make any effort at that now a transparent stunt.
Ditzy is a sexist term, surely.
Not really, although it is used primarily for women.
From dictionary.com (American Heritage Dictionary) ditz – A scatterbrained or eccentric person.
I’ve seen a few scatterbrained men and quite a lot of eccentric ones.
I dont like that term “ditzy woman” either, although I know Pre and her friends have reclaimed it and given it a positive spin.
Yes, we have! Come visit http://ditzychix.com and see just how ditzy the Ditzy Chix are. There are ten of us. Nine of us are published authors, and that tenth one is coming on strong. (And the website was designed by one of the Ditzy Chix.)
And that’s only funny because Pre is so NOT ditzy!
Oh, she does have her moments. ::wink, wink:: They come in handy. Men are soooo gullible, evidenced by the response to Palin. And who doesn’t love watching Goldie Hawn?
Thanks, KFG. It’s nice that some people understand.
Credit for the name Ditzy Chix goes to the son of a cousin of my ex’s some years ago. At the time, he was referring to some of the girls he was in high school with. I asked if a few writer friends and I could borrow it. It was an outgrowth from the original three of us (The Ditz Sisters) who began the group.
If Palin manages to get through the legal turmoil that she’s facing in Alaska and she decides to prepare for 2012, then several matters will have to be addressed. One problem that she’s having on the national stage is the same problem that red state politicians tend to be confronted with when their unabashedly conservative talking points hit the airwaves and audio frequencies of the rest of America. Brownback had the same dilemma when he ascended the stage in the Republican primary. He sounded too far to the right. His heavily religious, political mindset plays in Kansas, but in a national setting, he comes across as being overly eager to set the tradition of separation of church and state aside. It’s just not a viewpoint that people around the country are as prone to accept as voters apparently are in Kansas.
While Palin has certain political gifts that could still be tapped, it remains to be seen if she has the intellect to develop a more sophisticated worldview and deliver it in consistently presidential sounding prose in a national election. For this cycle at any rate, she is simply too far behind and she has no time to get fluent with the dynamic. Currently, even when she is put in an arena where she can rely on her talking points, her delivery tends to decline into choppiness and it flattens out if she talks too much. In the format the other night where the moderator either couldn’t or wouldn’t ask follow-up questions, Palin nevertheless got herself into a couple of truly noteworthy tangents, as when she associated freely about flexibility in power for the VP slot that was supposedly put in place by the founders, which no one in the history of the country with the exception of Cheney ever heard about.
Palin wants to appeal to the populist idea that an average American ought to be put in the White House. If ever a job was created for an exceptional as opposed to an average person, however, it’s the presidency of the United States. This is not a job for unsophisticated “Joe six-pack;” it’s not a job for me, N.B.A. basketball coach Phil Jackson, Martin Sheen, journalists, most CEO’s, lawyers, artists, or accountants (make your own list).
Being generous, I’ll leave it on the table if Palin has the intellectual firepower to develop the necessary sophistication to handle the presidency down the road. She will have to make a lot of progress. It’s troubling that she has been exposed as possessing such a small understanding of the wider world for this cycle. It means that she has made it to the age of 44 without being inquisitive enough to undertake a serious study. Furthermore, it’s a significant knock against her judgment that she would put herself one step away when she’s obviously so unprepared.
Think of JFK in contrast. In her book, “Jack Kennedy: The Education of a Statesman,” Barbara Leaming makes the case that America’s thirty-fifth president had undergone a lifelong study of world history, and in particular, a detailed analysis of Churchill’s ideas, prior to taking the oath of office.
I agree, she did well enough to protect her position, but not well enough to move on to the position she wants. The one just under mccain.
She’ll probably be played by Fey as a gum smackin’ debater, with strong flirtatious qualities.
“when she associated freely about flexibility in power for the VP slot that was supposedly put in place by the founders, which no one in the history of the country with the exception of Cheney ever heard about.”
I think that in some ways the VP slot can have as much power as the occupant can create. By that I am looking at something similar to the mayor position here in Wichita. A dynamic leader can use that position as a sort of ‘bully pulpit’ to convince Senators to support a position. In fact, he’she might also be able to exert similar influentce over in the House.
“outlander” squirms –
“I won’t lower myself to discuss the idiotic points that Monkey makes with him, because he is a vile partisan creep.”
In other words, you’ve got nothin’.
Were that I could climb to that lofty throne of nonpartisan reason and wisdom the likes of “outlander” and “Regular” and “Boxlock” and “Franklin.” Untainted by political bias, unmoved by right-wing rhetoric, they sit high atop the mountain and channel the will of God.
And “Nathaniel” is the Queen of Bulgaria…
Palin didn’t make a complete fool of herself again. Doesn’t that minimal performance standard alone tell it all? She repeated the text they prepped her with, not being capable of adding anything more to the debate but the usual clichés about being Joe Six Pack, a Maverick, and a hockey mom although her financial statement says she is worth much more than $2 Million. People that support her because she is similarly uninformed must ask themselves if they are ready for the White House too. What an absurd measure of leadership. She never once offered any policy differences between McCain Palin and Bush. Biden , on the other hand, pressed the attack with clear policy statements, and facts – mostly correct.. The differences between candidates were stark, one seasoned and knowledgeable, the other a wind-up Pit Bull with Lipstick who hasn’t a clue about how poorly prepared she really is. In this regard, more than 2700 concerned medical doctors placed a full page add in the New York Times yesterday asking for McCain’s full medical report in light of his bout with highly lethal invasive melanoma. The unobstructed release of this report for expert review is more critical than ever.
‘No more. The revolution is over, the thrill is gone and the Republican brand under President Bush has, in [Rep. Tom] Davis’s view, been so tarnished that, as he likes to say, “if we were a dog food, they would take us off the shelf.” These will be Davis’s last few weeks in Congress. He decided against re-election, disaffected by the partisanship, by a process he calls broken, by a party he considers hijacked by social conservatives. “We’re just not getting much done,” he said.’
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/magazine/05Davis-t.html?pagewanted=1&hp
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Davis is Virginia’s 11th district Republic Congressman, representing northern Virginia including Fairfax and Prince William County (which matches up well demographically with KC, MO and far east and west Wichita, esp. wrt to income).
Yeah, good old George W Bush, he’s a guy who can wear out his welcome pretty quickly wherever he goes. Just as Sarah Palin is wearing out her welcome in Alaska, apparently.
Sarah Palin would be George W Bush redux, they are THAT much alike.
Palin in 2012? We better consider the possibility of Palin in 2009, after McCane is found dead of a coronary under a 15 yr-old peroxide hooker with a tramp-stamp, in a basement steam tunnel at the inaugural ball.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 4, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
“outlander” squirms –
“I won’t lower myself to discuss the idiotic points that Monkey makes with him, because he is a vile partisan creep.”
In other words, you’ve got nothin’.
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No, it means exactly what I said.
It’s a great day to stop by the Obama Headquarters and pick up yard signs, bumper stickers, lapel pins and literature.
Obama / Biden Election Headquarters
1725 Douglas
Wichita, KS
316.262.7534
Or at the Democratic Party HQ at
1064 N Waco
Multi-nic’d Regular posted October 4, 2008 at 10:00 am
BTW, shooting baskets doesn’t indicate anything of being in shape, other than your arms still work.
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Multi-nic’d keeps his arms in shape by flailing them wildly on the WE Blog.
“15 yr-old peroxide hooker” — jed
Would said hooker also be a transvestite?
War hero meets confusing end
McCane dies under tranny
He only wanted a hand job, hooker cries
Tragic accident in steam tunnel
Jed
Posted October 4, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
Palin in 2012? We better consider the possibility of Palin in 2009, after McCane is found dead of a coronary under a 15 yr-old peroxide hooker with a tramp-stamp, in a basement steam tunnel at the inaugural ball.
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Jed if you don’t watch it BJ will call you angry and disconnected with reality. This happens to libs a lot.
okobserver,
So you want reality?
‘The Power and The Story’
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,992801-8,00.html
GIBBS/DICKERSON (12/13/99): “A presidential candidate is not supposed to tell you about the rules he broke or the strippers he dated, or the time he arrived so drunk that he fell through the screen door of the young lady he was wooing.
The candor tells you more than the content, and reporters sometimes just decide to take McCain off the record because they don’t want to see him flame out and burn up a great story.”
Sarah “six-pack” didn’t pay federal taxes on the per diem payments.
‘Palin tax returns for 2006 and 2007 released’
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gp77q25DPCEibEdOBHWiKkz5EVWQD93JDD702
“Sarah Palin makes $125,000 a year as Alaska governor. Plus, since she took the job in December 2006, she hasn’t paid taxes on the more than $17,000 she received in controversial per diem payments for working out of the family’s lakeside home in Wasilla — some 575 miles from the capital of Juneau.
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Regarding the per diem dispute, Comella said Juneau is the governor’s home base and therefore whenever she works elsewhere, she is entitled to charge the state. Comella contended the per diem payments are not taxable.
Cohen said it was fine for the state of Alaska to determine it was okay to reimburse Palin to work out of her home, but the state’s decision didn’t mean those benefits were not taxable by the federal government. “One has nothing to do with the other,” said Cohen.”
Cosmos thinks that stuff from 50 years ago matters.
Cosmos, when you are driving your little green moped with the basket on the front against the wind, what kind of mileage does it get?
“Palin tax returns for 2006 and 2007 released’
“stuff from 50 years ago”
My how time flies …
Oh hi Ben. I guess you were just waking up from your nap. It’s OK. Read the post above it.
Cosmos per diem means just that. It is a reimbursement of the money you pay out on a pre-determined basis. When she works from her home she is using her electric, her water, her phone, her computer, etc… Have you never received a per diem?
You pay these bills out of your own pocket with already taxed dollars. Taxing them again would be double taxation. Never heard of taxing per diems.
As for McCain and his supposed dalliances they are so out of date it is really funny. Careful or BJ will start calling you angry and disconnected.
outlander,
I don’t have a moped — but I do enjoy getting a good workout riding my bike into a head-wind.
okobserver,
Reality has an expiration date?
My experience with per diems is that they are intended to pay expenses while ‘in the field’ – not at home or at vacation home.
Ben as an accountant I have paid per diems when an employee for whatever reason was using their own facilities and not the office equipment.
We pay our employees per diems when they are out of town and eating expenses would be more than if they were at home and able to fix their own meals.
Either was I’m not sure how this would be considered taxable wages.
‘Palin’s Tax Return Missing Travel Reimbursements’
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95397464
“Critics insist the reimbursements are taxable income because the Anchorage office is just 45 miles away from her home. Under IRS rules, that could be considered just commuting.”
I got paid per diem for driving my own car while performing official duties while in the military when no government vehicles were available.
I also got paid per diem for meals and travel while assigned to another base, but drove home at night (about 50 miles)to stay in my own home, as it was cheaper than the local lodging, since I didn’t claim any lodging expense.
So, Obama consorts with and is mentored by former terrorists and we are worried about expense accounts.
Myopia.
..a former terrorist…
when they are out of town and eating expenses would be more than if they were at home and able to fix their own meals.
She was at home. And I know many people who commute 45 miles under much more severe travel conditions than she has.
Does not “consort with..” Another wild exaggeration to the point of being a lie, but that’s all you got to work with…
For more truthiness, see: http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/27300424.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:DiiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
Senator Obama and his running mate, Senator Joe Biden, are totally qualified to take office and set the country on a better course.
Maher’ comic take on Six-pack Sarah Palin’s performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZDX9599wXE
“Either was I’m not sure how this would be considered taxable wages.”
IRS Form 2106. Line 6 is total expenses. Line 7 is total reimbursements. Line 8 = subtract line 7 from line 6. That is the amiount you can deduct on Schedule A.
HOWEVER:
IF LINE 7 IS GREATER THAN LINE 6, REPORT THE EXCESS AS INCOME ON FORM 1040, LINE 7.
It would seem that Palin should have had reportable income.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 4, 2008 at 2:40 pm | Permalink
outlander,
okobserver,
Reality has an expiration date?
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Cosmos and of course you have been leading the push to remove Ted Kennedy from the senate because he killed a woman after drinking heavily at a party of married men and the female workers in their offices.
Ben was she called from home to do official duties. Was she on call 24 hours a day. When she was called out or went to meetings did she go the office first or leave from her home. When she was working out of her home was it because she was working outside the ‘40′ hour workweek.
So many questions, so few answers. She is running for VP why the fear?
McCain is running against Obama. Obama has a lot of questions to answer about Raines, Johnson, and lots more concerning fannie and freddie.
The per diem question would keep a good lawyer busy for the next 10 years.
Ben how was her per diem income reported. Was it on her W2 or did she get a 1099 for it? That would be interesting to find out.
The Obama campaign responded swiftly to Palin’s comments. “Governor Palin’s comments, while offensive, are not surprising, given the McCain campaign’s statement this morning that they would be launching Swiftboat-like attacks in hopes of deflecting attention from the nation’s economic ills.”
Obama-Biden spokesman Hari Sevugan said in a statement released by Obama’s campaign. “In fact, the very newspaper story Governor Palin cited in hurling her shameless attack made clear that Senator Obama is not close to Bill Ayers, much less ‘pals,’ and that he has strongly condemned the despicable acts Ayers committed 40 years ago, when Obama was eight.
What’s clear is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would rather spend their time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy,”
-CNN
No fear – simply wondering about her actions. I guess I’m just a bit more conservative in such things.
okobserver,
Reality check: If the citizens of Massachusetts did not want Ted Kennedy in the Senate after 1969, they shouldn’t have kept re-electing him.
Never had to worry about considering per diem separately as the taxes were taken out at the time the check was dispensed and it showed up on my earnings statement at the end of the month.
Perhaps Palin has the same arrangement?
Being Governor of Alaska is an 8-5 job with a 40 hour work week?
Who is Governor the rest of the time when she’s in her tanning bed??
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DavidB
Posted October 4, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink
Being Governor of Alaska is an 8-5 job with a 40 hour work week?
Who is Governor the rest of the time when she’s in her tanning bed??
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No one knows when Sebelius hours are, she’s too busy throwing parties for Tiller and his office staff in the Governor’s mansion.
“Perhaps Palin has the same arrangement?”
If that is the case then there is no issue – I should have noted that Line 7 is reimbursements NOT reported in box 1 of W-2.
A good column that explains Palin’s tactics.
‘Shooting From the Hip, With a Smile to Boot‘
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/style/features/2008/rhetoric/gallery.html?sid=ST2008093002732&s_pos=list
“But there’s a lot more at work. It starts with the way Palin’s delivery allows her to leap through the camera into your living room. Perhaps in part because of her background as a television reporter and beauty pageant competitor, she seems to understand how the camera works.
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And Palin in 2012? Many Alaskan’s don’t like the stalling of troopergate by outsiders (the McCain campaign). She may not even get re-elected as Gov of AK.
I thought palin received per diem for commuting to her duty station, not for working out of her home. Believe her ‘duty station’ was in Anchorage, her assigned station was in Juneau.
Wonder if she was also taking ‘home office’ deductions for staying at home eating and sleaping, and recreating.
Sounds like a sticky mess. I think for an employee the home office has to be required by the employee to be deductible.
Reality check Cosmos = if the people of Alaska don’t like the way per diem is paid they will change it. And if they don’t want her as gov they will vote her out. Unlikely since she is currently rated over 80% in polls there.
I wonder if the Weathermen terrorist group paid per diem? Maybe we could ask Bill Ayers to weigh in?
cosmos_originally
Posted October 4, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink
A good column that explains Palin’s tactics.
And Palin in 2012? Many Alaskan’s don’t like the stalling of troopergate by outsiders (the McCain campaign). She may not even get re-elected as Gov of AK.
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You can only hope cosmos.
Home office deductions – especially for a regular job – are BIG red flags.
But Ben home office deductions are very different from per diems. Tax wise not even close. Home office is a personal tax issues and per diems are paid by your employer.
“she is currently rated over 80% in polls there”
Not any more. She had been extremely popular since she could get all sorts if subsidies for the state. However, since her profile has increased her popularity has dropped.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/53299.html
Obama reported income in 2007 $4,139,965.00
And the Crats on this blog are complaining about the measely payments Palin get?
Obama is just another elitist snob Liberal millionaire bilking the average citizen and living off the backs of others.
Absolutely correct okob. I was simply adding that in response to another question about them.
Ben I can hardly believe that she has dropped below 70%. With all of the negative stories I have read about her I would think she would be in the 60s by now.
I would add that in her case a home office might make sense based on the 24/7 requirements.
68 percent.
Ivan Moore, a local pollster who works with both Democrats and Republicans, recently found that Palin’s support had slipped to 68 percent. The poll was conducted from Sept. 20 to 22 among 500 likely Alaska voters and has a margin of error of 4.4 percent.
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bth
Posted October 4, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink
68 percent.
Ivan Moore, a local pollster who works with both Democrats and Republicans, recently found that Palin’s support had slipped to 68 percent. The poll was conducted from Sept. 20 to 22 among 500 likely Alaska voters and has a margin of error of 4.4 percent.
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Yeah, once Democratic sympathizers get a hold of the polls, strange numbers just pop up out of nowhere.
Democrats like …
“Sondra Tompkins, a reliably Republican voter, found herself speaking out at the rally — upset, she said, because of Palin’s handling of the trooper issue and the example it sets for children in the state.
“They’re listening, they’re watching, and they’re asking questions,” Tompkins called out to the crowd. “Do we tell them it’s OK not to tell the truth? Do we tell them it’s OK to bend the truth? Do we tell them it’s OK to distort the truth if you have a gaggle of lawyers to defend you?
“It’s not OK, and I think Alaskans have had enough.”"
okobserver posted October 4, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Reality check Cosmos = if the people of Alaska don’t like the way per diem is paid they will change it.
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Hello? ? ? The issue is federal taxes.
Adios – out to what’s left of the sunshine!
We’re looking at America slowly turning into a third-world nation, and the McCain people want to talk about. . .William Ayers. As if that manufactured “issue” something anyone of even normal intelligence would care about.
Geez, talk about desperation.
Ben you know is some ways I do agree with you. She should address the trooper issue and I assume that she will do that as soon as this campaign is over. It would be really hard to effectively campaign and defend yourself from charges trumped up by political cronies to divide your attention during this critical time.
Truth telling is so important and that is why many are calling on Obama to be more forthright in talking about his relationships with an admitted and unrepentant terrorist. This line about ‘that all happened when Obama was 8 years old’ is wearing thin.
He has known and been associated with Ayers for many years in the Chicago political machine. Set on boards with him. A very powerfull board in education in Illinois.Ayers father is a very rich and powerful person in Illinois. Much of this just doesn’t pass the smell test.
Sorry if I am not more concerned about Palins problems than I am about a person who wants to be our prez.
I went back to see the post that “outlander” declared he wouldn’t respond to because I am so “vile.”
Here it is:
Shrub wanted the bailout. John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) wanted the bailout. Boehner wanted the bailout.
But the typical Republic Party voter and most of the Kansas congressional delegation are against it.
So just who is the Republic Party leader these days?
See? That’s your problem, RepubliCONs.
Part of you are rabid right-wing-nuts and part of you are scum-sucking bottom-feeders. And the only way you can get Halliburton money is to pervert the whole concept of government of, by, and for the…y’know, “people.”
Don’thcha know, dad-gummit, the only-est Republic Party personality who seems to connect with “people” is the Bullwinkle-Assassin? (wink wink hair-flip)
“Palin in 2012?”
The Republic Party is destined to become the 21st Century Whig party.
But first! They’re the “Know-N
The Republic Party is destined to become the 21st Century Whig party.
But first! They’re the “Know-Nothings!”
Now, really…
I’ve been a lot more “vile” and a bit more “partisan” in a lot of my posts. But just what of the above doesn’t seriously address issues at hand?
Sondra Tompkins, who describes herself as usually voting Republican, not “a reliably Republican voter” according to the Liberal Press.
Funny how words get twisted in reporting.
Sondra Tompkins appears to make all the local publishing news.
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/339576.html
Wouldn’t surprise me if Sondra Tompkins is a dyed in the wool voting Democrat 99 percent of the time and just goes around saying what reporters want to hear.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted October 4, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Obama reported income in 2007 $4,139,965.00
And the Crats on this blog are complaining about the measely payments Palin get?
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Please try to pay attention, multi-nic’d. The issue is whether she should have paid federal taxes on certain payments.
And much of Obama’s income was due to book sales, which consumers voluntarily bought.
Rage we are talking about the character of the man who wants to be our next leader. Quiet a different topic than what you make it out to be. I agree with you about one thing we need to be concerned with the two men who would be prez. Not spend all of our time over a vp choice.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 4, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d Regular posted October 4, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Obama reported income in 2007 $4,139,965.00
And the Crats on this blog are complaining about the measely payments Palin get?
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Please try to pay attention, multi-nic’d. The issue is whether she should have paid federal taxes on certain payments.
And much of Obama’s income was due to book sales, which consumers voluntarily bought.
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Yeah fans…
I bet some of those fans, like his Fannie Mae executive buddies bought thousands of his books for distribution as political favors.
Now, really…
I’ve been a lot more “vile” and a bit more “partisan” in a lot of my posts.
He probably just checked his portfolio.
Cosmos please try to pay attention. She is a vp candidate. Obama is a Prez candidate and needs to be vetted over money he received from fannie and freddie. Also the company he keeps.
Rage we are talking about the character of the man who wants to be our next leader.
I care more about the character (or lack thereof) who engage in guilt-by-association smear tactics, particularly when the other person in question hasn’t done anything particularly questionable in, say, 35 years.
Tell me what Ayers and Obama agree upon that somehow disparages his character, and I will take that silly attack seriously.
Salaried income was $260,735, which included his $157,102 salary as a senator and hers of $103,633, as vice president of community and external affairs at the University of Chicago Medical Center.
The publisher paid $850,000, occupies a place of its own in the political-book spectrum: it is not a tell-all, not quite a memoir and not a straight polemic.
Total income: $4,238,165
Adjusted gross income: $4,139,965
Salaried income: $260,735
Net profit from books: $3,943,378
Federal taxes paid: $1,396,772
Total charitable contributions for 2007: $240,370
Posted by Mike Dorning at 6:05 am CST.
Here’s one way to boost book sales: Barack Obama’s Senate re-election campaign spent more than $24,000 on copies of the Democratic senator’s best-selling new memoir, “The Audacity of Hope.”
The campaign listed the purpose of the expense as “books for supporters” in a campaign finance disclosure report filed on Wednesday covering activities during the final three months of last year.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign purchased the books from Random House under a special arrangement in which the senator did not receive royalties for the sales.
Campaign funds to buy books…
$850,000 advance for a person no one has heard of before 2005, yeah right…
Lot of cheese going on here.
Shades of Rezko…
“I care more about the character (or lack thereof) who engage in guilt-by-association smear tactics, particularly when the other person in question hasn’t done anything particularly questionable in, say, 35 years.”
Ayres as recently as 9/11/01 said he wasn’t sorry for anything he did. He was only sorry he didn’t do more. He teaches kids in Illinois. Why aren’t the libs even upset about this man and his associations with Obama. A man who helped the One with his first political campaign. From whose home Obama met with many political cronies.
Rage maybe you should redirect your rage – in the right direction.
Do we want a VP (and possible president) who relies on headlines, and does NOT read the article? No!
‘Palin: Obama Is ‘Palling Around With Terrorists’
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/palin-obama-is-palling-around-with-terrorists
“Hari Sevugan, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, fired back almost immediately in a statement: “Governor Palin’s comments, while offensive, are not surprising, given the McCain campaign’s statement this morning that they would be launching Swiftboat-like attacks in hopes of deflecting attention from the nation’s economic ills.
In fact, the very newspaper story Governor Palin cited in hurling her shameless attack made clear that Senator Obama is not close to Bill Ayers, much less ‘pals,’ and that he has strongly condemned the despicable acts Ayers committed 40 years ago, when Obama was eight. What’s clear is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would rather spend their time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy.” ”
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Sarah Palin has said dinosaurs and humans lived on earth at the same time, apparently.
Maybe THEY used to pal around together. (wink)
Did lil Sarah read Ali-Oop in the funny papers and think it was science?
This does not give anyone confidence in her intellect, her comprehension or her reasoning ability.
Uh huh
I called it. I said McCain and his hangers on would now have no choice but to go nasty
Since lil’ Sarah didn’t get a dead cat bounce?
NOW we see okobserver and even more disappointingly outlander shilling the same tired old crap that blog shill Franklin has been peddling for months. I understand Palin is even getting in on the act.
We are witnessing the meltdown of the McCain campaign and the wailing and gnashing of teeth from folks who want desperately to hold off reality even as they know they can’t. SO they will say anything.
Word up? When you lose the election, you will still have your self respect. Unless you throw it away on a lost cause.
This thread is about Sarah Palin’s future in politics.
If she takes this tac?
She doesn’t have any future in politics.
A little hard for me to believe character assassination from a woman under an active investigation for improper use of executive power.
‘Obama’s New Book Is a Surprise Best Seller‘
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/09/books/09obam.html
“Glowing reviews for “The Audacity of Hope” have certainly helped drive sales. Writing in The New York Times, Michiko Kakutani called Mr. Obama, 45, “that rare politician who can actually write.” In The Washington Post, Michael Kazin praised Mr. Obama’s “knack for mixing stirring rhetoric about good and evil with practical policy ideas.”
Changing Hands, an independent bookstore in Tempe, Ariz., has sold “a tremendous number of copies,” said Gayle Shanks, the owner.
When Mr. Obama visited the store on Oct. 23 for a book-signing event, the 1,450-seat hall, a local theater, quickly sold out. He signed all 1,450-plus copies.
“I think we got in 500 copies initially,” Ms. Shanks said. “As soon as we knew we sold 500 tickets to his event in one day, we immediately ordered 1,000 more books.” She has since ordered 400 more copies.”
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1,900 books at one store, in Tempe, Ariz..
okobserver
Posted October 4, 2008 at 5:35 pm | Permalink
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/is-it-all-about-palin-in-2012/#comment-439749
The ugly and dishonorable attacks from the McCain side will only worsen as they continue to slide down in the polls.
Americans are tired of slime attacks.
DavidB posted October 4, 2008 at 5:48 pm
“Did lil Sarah read Ali-Oop in the funny papers and think it was science?”
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Maybe. . .
She believes the junk science from fossil-fuel funded AGW deniers, re the polar bear issue.
The desperate negative attacks from McCain/Palin will probably convince many undecided voters to vote for Obama.
“The ugly and dishonorable attacks from the McCain side will only worsen ”
I KNEW they were coming, they had to.
Going nasty is all McCain and his supporters have left.
That lil Sarah starts it is really ironic. SHE was supposed to keep the ticket from having to play nasty by winning voters and influencing voters.
But gosh darn it, she just couldn’t aww shucks and wink her way to credibility. I told you that wink was less charm and more snarl.
Video rolling around about Michelle Obama saying that ‘whitey’ is the problem of everything wrong in the U.S. Also saying ‘whitey’ can’t be trusted and should be subject to indifferent commitment.
These videos are from Obama’s former church.
Pathetic.
Beneath even YOUR sullied dignity there Regular.
Ya didn’t even post a link to that months ago busted lie.
It’s gonna be a pretty sorry show from the cons the next few days folks.
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Posted October 4, 2008 at 6:13 pm | Permalink
Video rolling around about Michelle Obama saying that ‘whitey’ is the problem of everything wrong in the U.S. Also saying ‘whitey’ can’t be trusted and should be subject to indifferent commitment.
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Not too many blacks screwing up wall street, or running high society, old money, failing financial institutions, so she has a point.
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Posted October 4, 2008 at 6:25 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 4, 2008 at 6:13 pm | Permalink
Video rolling around about Michelle Obama saying that ‘whitey’ is the problem of everything wrong in the U.S. Also saying ‘whitey’ can’t be trusted and should be subject to indifferent commitment.
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Not too many blacks screwing up wall street, or running high society, old money, failing financial institutions, so she has a point.————————————————————–
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Oh you mean Obama’s black Bro’ Franklin Raines, who made almost 90 million dollars while heading Fannie Mae at the same time Fannie Mae had billions in dollars unaccounted for?
The Franklin Raines that gives Obama advice on financial affairs or should I say ‘how to steal from whitey right underneath his nose.”
JM I do give your credit for thoughtful posts even though they aren’t always honest. That last post about Wall Street wasn’t thoughtful nor was it honest.
Look at the ethenticity of Johnson, Raines, Mudd, Moses – all major players in the fannie/freddie debacle. Don’t forget what led the way to this fall. Look it up. Research it. Find those to blame and realize that all races were there.
Obama’s Senate re-election campaign spent more than $24,000 on copies of the Democratic senator’s best-selling new memoir, “The Audacity of Hope.”
We’ve been over this before, Regular, when one of the Republicans did the same thing. It happens across the board for “hollywood” stars, political stars, sports stars, and anyone who sells a book on their name. It’s how many non-fiction books get on the NYT Bestseller List and others. Please pay attention.
Multi-nic’d resorts to desperate lies, just like the McCain/Palin campaign.
‘The Truth About a Non-Existent Michelle Tape‘
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/10/notape
‘Barack Obama does not take advice from Fannie Mae executives‘
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/21/fannierumor
Are you paid to post lies here, multi-nic’d “Kansas Values”?
Or do you just hate honesty, and enjoy lying?
bth:
Today’s NY Times has an editorial about Palin’s comments on the vice presidency, entitled, “Dick Cheney, Role Model.” I’ll quote below from the last three paragraphs:
“The Constitution does not state or imply any flexibility in the office of vice president. It gives the vice president no legislative responsibilities other than casting a tiebreaking vote in the Senate when needed and no executive powers at all. The vice president’s constitutional role is to be ready to serve if the president dies or becomes incapacitated.
Any president deserves a vice president who will be a sound adviser and trustworthy supporter. But the American people also deserve and need a vice president who understands and respects the balance of power — and the limits of his or her own power. That is fundamental to our democracy.
So far, Ms. Palin has it exactly, frighteningly wrong.”
NYT, Saturday, October 4.
“You look at Obama’s economic advisers, the guys he has counted on from day one and who have raised him a ton — and I mean a ton — of money: Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of them are waist to neck deep in the mortgage debacle.”
‘Both Raines and Johnson have served as CEO of Fannie Mae, with Raines taking over from Johnson. Both are key political and economic advisers to Obama.’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2083615/posts
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Predestined
Posted October 4, 2008 at 6:36 pm | Permalink
Obama’s Senate re-election campaign spent more than $24,000 on copies of the Democratic senator’s best-selling new memoir, “The Audacity of Hope.”
We’ve been over this before, Regular, when one of the Republicans did the same thing. It happens across the board for “hollywood” stars, political stars, sports stars, and anyone who sells a book on their name. It’s how many non-fiction books get on the NYT Bestseller List and others. Please pay attention.
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How many of those used ‘campaign funds’ to buy books that personally financially benefit Obama?
“Regular” tries to recycle the blatantly racist “whitey” smear.
That’s rich.
First of all, no one has come up with the actual video.
Got a link, “Regular?”
Multi-nic’d “Kansas Values”,
Do the freepers pay you to post their lies here?
‘Barack Obama does not take advice from Fannie Mae executives‘
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/21/fannierumor
“The non-partisan fact-check website Snopes.com looked into these smears, and their conclusions about Barack and the Fannie Mae executives shouldn’t be surprising: “None of them has (or apparently ever had) ongoing roles with the campaign as chief economic advisors.” ”
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/fanniemae.asp
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/is-it-all-about-palin-in-2012/#comment-439750
“Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign purchased the books from Random House under a special arrangement in which the senator did not receive royalties for the sales.”
Got a link?
LOL
Here you go:
Michelle Obama’s Whitey Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZi6U811hxE&feature=related
obama’s secret advisors and donors
by Penny Hess
African People’s Solidarity Committee Chairwoman
*Obama’s top 14 donors are from Wall Street, the gang of looters of Sub Prime Mortgages, targetting the African American Community, over 77,000 homes in default in Cleveland alone.
The same people who are being bailed out in the latest legislation
*One of Obama’s prime financial advisors is a former head of a failed Chicago Bank. Over 1400 investors lost everything, while the female Banker took home millions. She is one of the 400 richest people in the U.S. She also wrote most of the law content regarding sub prime loans.
*Obama declares there is no ‘Black America’ – that most of Black Americans have been pulled into the mainstream of society (quote from his book)
*More listed, listen to the speech at the URL below.
http://blip.tv/file/1101000
“Oh you mean all of your pathetic lies about Palin.”
A serious charge which I invite you to back up with proof. That or withdraw the charge as an error in identification or a momentary lapse in anger management.
I have posted that I understand that this is an emotional, even distraught time for you cons. That understanding is not license to lie.
Key phrase: “Not too many blacks . . . ”
You cons really need to learn to read. I suggest hooked on phonics:-)
Whitey video to come out this month as an “October surprise” featuring Michelle Obama.
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Posted October 4, 2008 at 7:08 pm | Permalink
Got a link?
LOL
Here you go:
Michelle Obama’s Whitey Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZi6U811hxE&feature=related
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hahahahahahahahahahahayhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
The Washington Post reported on July 16, in a Style-section article on Mr. Raines, that he had “taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.”
Maybe you mean this one, Nathan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBS2cFoS2sQ&feature=related
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Fact is, there is no tape because it never happened, except in itty bitty brain cells housed in neo-cons heads.
More from New York Times piece:
“Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee, was “silent,” Mr. McCain tells campaign audiences, and he blames Mr. Obama’s ties to Fannie Mae executives, particularly former chairmen James A. Johnson and Franklin D. Raines. Mr. Johnson has been a senior Obama adviser, but both Mr. Obama and Mr. Raines say they met once, for just minutes.
Femisex factcheck: Obama was silent. True. And Raines has contradicted his own accounts of phone calls between himself and Obama on the economy.
Nathan?
Just what does your link showing people dancing to “Never Gonna Give you up” supposed to prove?
THIS is why I don’t click con links.
Article mentions Franklin Raines, financial advisor to the Obama campaign:
1999 NY Times Article Revealed True Cause of Current Fannie Mae Crises
By P.J. Gladnick
September 25, 2008 – 16:25 ET
This is probably an article that the New York Times wishes it didn’t have in its archives because it reveals the true culprits behind the current Fannie Mae meltdown. You will find “uncomfortable” truths in this September 30, 1999 article by Steven A. Holmes starting with the title, “Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending,” that you won’t find in current editions of the New York Times (emphasis mine):
In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.
The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets — including the New York metropolitan region — will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.
Get that? Pressure by the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans by lowering its credit requirements.
”Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990’s by reducing down payment requirements,” said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chairman and chief executive officer. ”Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.”
That would be the same Franklin Raines whom the Washington Post identified as a mortgage and housing adviser for the Obama campaign until that newspaper told us not to rely on its own reporting. We return you now to the article that the New York Times wishes didn’t exist:
In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980’s.
Oops! And that is exactly what has happened nine years later. And who were the “killjoys” at the time warning against Fannie Mae easing the credit requirements? That answer is also provided in the NY Times article:
”From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,” said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ”If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.”
Yup. The conservative American Enterprise Institute was accurately warning about this impending financial disaster back in 1999. If you don’t believe me, then check out the New York Times archive.
Newsbusters
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Regular
Posted October 4, 2008 at 7:18 pm | Permalink
The Washington Post reported on July 16, in a Style-section article on Mr. Raines, that he had “taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.”
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Oooooo . . . that big bad Muslim terrorist no American Obama sought advice from another guy . . . before the meltdown. And just who was giving McCain advice? Why, none other than Phil Gramm. Silly season, a**ho*e. Keep up with yer Franklin imitation: Wash, rinse, repeat.
BlueJay,
I don’t think I was trying to prove anything.
I believe I did inadvertently prove that you have no sense of humor though.
JM Walker,
I don’t waste much of my time believing stupid things like there being some tape of Obama’s wife saying whiety.
These types of things only serve to detract from the policy differences which we should all be spending more time looking at.
While some on our side believe such things there are just as many liberal goof balls on your side who believe that Palin banned books and wants to ban books and tried to fire a librarian who wouldn’t.
Video on Democrats in their own words defending Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, saying there is nothing wrong.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=exxVZTKq1vA
We’re well past that now Nathan.
Palin is dead weight to McCain now. She can contribute no further to the ticket on her own merits. SO it is clear she will be used as a surrogate hit artist.
NOT the stuff of a promising future in the near or long term.
The last con link was a bust Regular.
What’s yours, kitten juggling?
Pass.
Kitten juggling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yje9yGEvrjU
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Regular
Posted October 4, 2008 at 7:37 pm | Permalink
Video on Democrats in their own words defending Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, saying there is nothing wrong.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=exxVZTKq1vA
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Let’s see: 2003 . . . Bush the President? Republicans in charge? Didn’t do anything? Democrats fault? Maybe Pelosi said something that hurt the Republicans feelings? Maybe both parties fault? Not to the neo-cons.
Kitten juggling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yje9yGEvrjU
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Now THAT’S funny:=)
JM Walker,
When that is your response to clear evidence of the liberals on tape, it only proves what a truly partisan hack you really are.
BlueJay
Posted October 4, 2008 at 7:14 pm | Permalink
“Oh you mean all of your pathetic lies about Palin.”
A serious charge which I invite you to back up with proof. That or withdraw the charge as an error in identification or a momentary lapse in anger management.
BlueJay
Posted October 4, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink
We’re well past that now Nathan.
Palin is dead weight to McCain now. She can contribute no further to the ticket on her own merits. SO it is clear she will be used as a surrogate hit artist.
NOT the stuff of a promising future in the near or long term.
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BJ you lie constantly about Palin. It has been shown to be the truth. You lie. We don’t need to prove it every day.
As for the ‘dead weight’ statement. Well why are you so worried about ‘dead weight’. My gosh you are quacking in your boots and Miss Sarah.
She has a bright future in politics because people identify with her.
Learn to say President Palin.
Speaking of Barney Frank and his doing his part to deny problems at Fannie Mae- Freddie Mac, I haven’t seen anything on the O’Reilly – Barney Frank blow up. It was pretty entertaining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAuOEdttjZQ
Sounds good but if obama of the muslim faith gets in the US will never have another President. Between him and the anti American liberal media America will be dead. It will be mad max to the max. Chaos and destruction. So long America RIP.
“BJ you lie constantly about Palin. ”
Well then proving it should be very easy. Why haven’t you ever done so?
“My gosh you are quacking in your boots and Miss Sarah.”
I’m a BlueJay, not a duck. I’m also not quaking in my boots. I AM putting them on.
SO, what will YOU be shoveling? That last tends toward denial.
And here you were gonna ignore me.
Heh
Upshot of Sarah Palin’s slow segue to irrelevance will be Kandisue and that sort crawling back into the woodwork.
Hey outlander? Link it.
I understand Billo dissolved into a ranting idiot.
As the meltdown continues….
Nathan —- Your video link upthread has nothing to do with Michelle Obama… It is a video made in LONDON in 1987!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX3ZdYbixiw&NR=1
Even YOU can do better than this horse hockey!!
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Nathaniel
Posted October 4, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink
JM Walker,
When that is your response to clear evidence of the liberals on tape, it only proves what a truly partisan hack you really are.
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. . . and you’re not? chuckle…
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Kandisue
Posted October 4, 2008 at 8:17 pm | Permalink
Sounds good but if obama of the muslim faith gets in the US will never have another President. Between him and the anti American liberal media America will be dead. It will be mad max to the max. Chaos and destruction. So long America RIP.
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Then you had better hide under your bed, huh? That big, bad, non-American Muslim terrorist, Obama, might just decide to have you for breakfast. Paranoia strikes deep . . . into each neo-con it will creep . . . starts when you’re always afraid . . . step out of line, Obama come and take you away . . .
Chas,
What are you talking about? Did you watch the video to the very end? That is where the tape is at.
Too funny JM —- but sadly, also true!!
Yea Nathan I watched it… There IS NO TAPE!!! I just linked to the story of the video, with a couple of fake pictures scattered in by some wacko anti-Obama idiots… SHOW me where Michelle Obama says ONE word on that British Rock Video, made in 1987!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX3ZdYbixiw&NR=1
Chas,
I just showed you. Obviously you didn’t watch the whole thing.
One more time, watch it again and pay attention. It was right there at the end.
Nathan is playing games Chas. Don’t waste your time.
Nathan, your not so closeted racism is showing big time… Got your white sheets all cleaned up?? Ready for your Whitey Parade?? What is your PROBLEM posting junk and claiming Michelle made some speech??
Now, stay out of my face with your trash!!
I know that Jay… That Youtube “link” is nothing but fake garbage…. Michelle doesnt say ONE WORD… just fake add-in pictures to a 1987 Video made in LONDON….
Here is an op-ed piece that has Palin as president in 2009!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/opinion/05rich.html
BlueJay,
You might just be smarter than I gave you credit for… or well… at least you are smarter than Chas, just no sense of humor.
BJ you lied about the librarian story and it has been proven several times.
You lied about her trying to get her brother-in-law fired and this has been shown several times.
You lied about her son being the daughters and this was proven.
You post stupid post with untrue allegations and then say ‘oh I didn’t say that I just read it’.
You are a liar, plain and simple.
And by the way I like the idea of a blue jay quacking and it sound like what you do daily. You and the Aflac duck sound just alike I just realized that.
Chas did you run into squarepeg today? He went to the dog show looking for you. ::, das, sugar, sfreader and northern neighbor were with him. They were angry and wanted to reconnect with you.
Have you seen the movie Sybil?
Chas,
My link is not fake! Rick Astley did indeed make a music video on the song “Never Gonna Give You Up”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Astley
A riddle: If I only had money enough to pay for two meals and wanted a whole crowd to come who should I invite?
Okobserver,
I am not sure about the answer to the riddle, but I would come regardless of you having enough food.
I would help out as well.
“You lied about her son being the daughters and this was proven.”
I don’t believe I posted much to that one at all.
If I am so many times so many ways a liar, SURELY you can go get an example?
And, if you can’t, this suggests that it is you who is the liar.
Anyways, it is not me that’s your problem.
Your darling Sarah Palin is a dud. John McCain’s first, most important decision was a bad one.
I don’t own that.
Though I DO seem to own you. Maybe I’ll use you for a doorstop or a paperweight.
Well that sounds like an idea. Name the time and place. I really enjoyed your dad and so did my grandson. I am working down at Tiahrts office one night next week. They always feed pizza to the volunteers. Lets name a night and have a weblog meeting and do our good deed for the week.
Todd will be at the Wichita Area Builders Association office on Oct. 16. Social hour at 6:30pm. I plan to be there too. This could be the opportunity for us all to meet.
As for the riddle I was referring to Chas’ multiple personalties. Guess he didn’t get it.
Get back to me about the meetup. I’m game.
BJ just keep quacking. If it makes you feel big I have broad shoulders. I think you do need an ego boost and I am happy to accomodate.
Make sure and watch Saturday Night live tonight there okie.
Tina Fey is giving your VP choice a better revealing.
Since lil’ Sarah seems to not do so well with the media ya know.
BlueJay please tell me you don’t make political decisions based on STL. I at least gave you more credit than that.
Have you seen the movie An American Carol? I plan to. It looks really funny.
Okobserver,
Did you make it out to woofstock today and see my dad?
I really wanted to be there, my drill weekend is always on the woofstock/gunshow weekend.
I was out there last night helping him set up though. Seems like it would have been a blast. The weather seemed perfect as well, just a bit windy.
I would take a day off, but my job(s) is/are kind of important and not something just anyone could jump in and do.
Do you know Josh? I was in the College Republicans with him back in the day. He still works for Tiahrt now.
I have not been very involved lately, but used to be.
I will see what I am doing on the 16th and really think about going. Can anyone go? What is the attire? (I hate being under or over dressed)
Nathan it is the October meeting of the Sedgwick County Republican Party. Doesn’t mention dress so I am assuming casual. I have met a Josh at the Tiahrt office. Not sure if it is the one you know. I am impressed with all of the young volunteers.
I intended to get to Woofstock but worked with my son instead. They are building a home and it is time to move in and there was lots to do. His son is the one your dad met.
If the Party night thing doesn’t work out then lets do a lunch sometime for anyone who would like to come. Look forward to meeting you.
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okobserver
Posted October 4, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
A riddle: If I only had money enough to pay for two meals and wanted a whole crowd to come who should I invite?
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What are we eatin’?
Haven’t planned the menu yet. My best meal is takeout my husband says. I know lots of good restaurants. The Golden Corral on east Kellogg is one of my favorites.
Looks like they’re going to pull out ol’ John Mcnasty, getting desperate.
“McCain’s advisers say the Arizona senator will ramp up his attacks in the coming days with a tougher, more focused message describing “who Obama is,” including questioning his character, “liberal” record and “too risky” proposals in advertising and appearances.
Phantom It had to happen. He has had it pretty easy up to now. One month ahead of the election. I expect both sides to start firing real bullets now.
“Phantom It had to happen.”
No, it didn’t. IF McCain had made his first, most important decision in a running mate competently, he might not be in this fix.
But Palin was a bad choice and reflects badly on John McCain’s judgment. SO now McCain will have to snarl, lie, and smear. And he can go WAY nasty since his political life is tied to what little rest of his life remains. He is at the point of nothing left to lose.
Hell, he gave up his dignity after he forgave the same sort of tactics used against him by george bush in 2000. His party does not respect him. SOME openly hope for his death so the badly qualified Sarah Palin can take over.
Maverick? No, not anymore. John McCain has become a cornered, wounded animal. And he has done that to himself.
Maybe I will greet Tiahrt there on the 16th too, with a few well chosen words of criticism. Anybody up for it?
GOP spokesman Roger Stone conceded on June 2nd that he hasn’t met anyone who has seen the tape and that it therefore may be a hoax.
It has happened: Palin brought up the Ayres/Obama connection during a stop. I expect the Muslim connection next. McCain’s running scared, and he’ll stop at nothing to lie about Obama. Can’t beat em with facts, attack em with BS.
Mccain did get a little bumb when he went neg., then he went to far and got humiliated by the press, figuring he has nothing to lose, he’s ready to bring it on again.
Obama just needs to keep on keeping on, and denounce every new smear.
Palin will soon be seen as the vengeful bitch she is, wearing lipstick, and mascara.
And wearing what seems to be tattooed-on “lipstick”…
Palin COULD have a political future. She does reach a certain fringe constituency.
Now I owe her and that constituency no favors for sure. But I don’t like seeing anyone badly used.
McCain has no political future. This is his last throw. Palin might think carefully (if she can) before she reduces herself to the role of tool for a fading candidate’s last stand.
Tina Fey just nailed the Moose-Dresser.
There were shots at Biden, tool
But Bible Spice just got pwned.
Nathaniel
Posted October 4, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink
Chas,
My link is not fake! Rick Astley did indeed make a music video on the song “Never Gonna Give You Up”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Astley
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Your link was titled with reference to comments “supposedly” made by Michele Obama… It wasnt even close…
THEREFORE, oh ye of small mental capacity, the LINK is FAKE!!
And, ummmm, I already posted earlier about the song, and where it was recorded, and when…. Or did you miss that???
Damn mental midgets….
SNL skit was great, may be the best one! Had me laughing. Bet Sarah’s ratings are going down some more tonight, and SNL’s is going up.
Hey Monkey, when they put it on You Tube, please post a link??
Phantom, its about time, dont ya think???
Next mccain ad will be claiming Obama’s paying SNL, and Tina Fey is an Operative!
Cheer up fellow Libs…. It could be worse… We could be in the Deep South
Give Tina Fey an Emmy AND a Pulitzer.
She outPalin’s Palin.
Yes, I do think Palin is destined to become a verb.
From the deep South >>>>
http://www.newsherald.com/news/marianna_68566___article.html/racial_slur.html
Heh
SNL’s take on lowered expectations.
“Unless Governor Palin faints, cries, runs from the stage, or vomits, she will be seen as having achieved a tie in this debate.”
Too true!
If Palin and her unstable sidekick of a running mate truly want to get smart and push the issue with Obama’s associations, then the Alaska Governor can plan on getting more than a few opportunities to string a series of incomplete sentences together about her husband’s membership in the Alaska Independence Party. That little stint in political activisim reportedly lasted, with an interval or two, from 1995 to 2002. Patriotism? Well, not exactly. This crew of frontier folk apparently want to chuck membership in the good old U. S. of A. altogether. Another way of stating it is that they’d actually like to secede from the union. Yeah, just your basic get together over beer and moose chili. So the second Palin and McCain start flinging the Chicago talk around, rest assured that a whole posse of us are going to be out here filling in the gaps on the vice presidential nominee’s rendezvous with the anti-America crowd from the upper northwest. Black is white, up is down, and we will see who’s smart.
JMWalker posted October 4, 2008 at 10:12 pm
It has happened: Palin brought up the Ayres/Obama connection during a stop.
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What’s pathetic is that the U.S. has a VP candidate (and possible president) who uses a headline, and does NOT even read the article.
Or else Sarah Palin read the article, and then LIED about it?
‘Palin: Obama Is ‘Palling Around With Terrorists’
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/palin-obama-is-palling-around-with-terrorists
“Hari Sevugan, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, fired back almost immediately in a statement: “Governor Palin’s comments, while offensive, are not surprising, given the McCain campaign’s statement this morning that they would be launching Swiftboat-like attacks in hopes of deflecting attention from the nation’s economic ills.
In fact, the very newspaper story Governor Palin cited in hurling her shameless attack made clear that Senator Obama is not close to Bill Ayers, much less ‘pals,’ and that he has strongly condemned the despicable acts Ayers committed 40 years ago, when Obama was eight. What’s clear is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would rather spend their time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy.” ”
From Saturday’s NY Times article about Ayers:
“I saw no evidence of a radical streak, either overt or covert, when we were together at Harvard Law School,” said Bradford A. Berenson, who worked on the Harvard Law Review with Mr. Obama and who served as associate White House counsel under President Bush. Mr. Berenson, who is backing Mr. McCain, described his fellow student as “a pragmatic liberal” whose moderation frustrated others at the law review whose views were much farther to the left.
(From page A14, under the subtitle, “Little Influence Seen.”)
From header:
“The over-the-moon reaction by conservative commentators and activists to Sarah Palin’s debate performance puzzled me – until I came up with a hypothesis to explain the phenomenon,” Eugene Robinson wrote in a Washington Post blog.”
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Occam’s razor is “often paraphrased as, “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.” “(Wikipedia)
McCain is dropping in the polls, quitting Michigan, etc.
Palin helped the ticket for a short time, until voters realized that she wasn’t qualified, and her polls #’s started to drop.
The “over-the-moon reaction[s]” were most likely just a futile attempt to help the flailing McCain/Palin ticket.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 5, 2008 at 12:33 am | Permalink
From header:
“The over-the-moon reaction by conservative commentators and activists to Sarah Palin’s debate performance puzzled me – until I came up with a hypothesis to explain the phenomenon,” Eugene Robinson wrote in a Washington Post blog.”
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Occam’s razor is “often paraphrased as, “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.” “(Wikipedia)
McCain is dropping in the polls, quitting Michigan, etc.
Palin helped the ticket for a short time, until voters realized that she wasn’t qualified, and her polls #’s started to drop.
The “over-the-moon reaction[s]” were most likely just a futile attempt to help the flailing McCain/Palin ticket.
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Palin isn’t qualified to do what?
Preside over the Senate like all Vice Presidents do in case of a tie?
“Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign purchased the books from Random House under a special arrangement in which the senator did not receive royalties for the sales.”
This type of thing is done, too, and would be the same as when an author is usually offered a discounted price on books bought directly from the publisher. There are no royalty payments made for the purchase of those books. As the author, I am offered my book for 1/2 of the cover price. I am not allowed to re-sell those books. They are “promotional material” and therefore are considered a business deduction. It would work the same way if an agreement was reached between the publisher and the campaign. It’s promotional material, no matter who does the promoting and is a legitimate deduction.
“Regular” tries –
“Palin isn’t qualified to do what?
Preside over the Senate like all Vice Presidents do in case of a tie?”
Talk about lowering the bar.
You know, and everyone knows, John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) is likely gonna die in the next couple of years.
That puts the Moose-Dresser in the Oval Office.
Think about that.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 5, 2008 at 4:23 am | Permalink
“Regular” tries –
“Palin isn’t qualified to do what?
Preside over the Senate like all Vice Presidents do in case of a tie?”
Talk about lowering the bar.
You know, and everyone knows, John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) is likely gonna die in the next couple of years.
That puts the Moose-Dresser in the Oval Office.
Think about that.
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You know this how?
He has longevity in his family. His mother was at the Republican National Convention, lucid and alert.
Kandipoo,
“Sounds good but if obama of the muslim faith gets in the US will never have another President. Between him and the anti American liberal media America will be dead. It will be mad max to the max. Chaos and destruction. So long America RIP.”
Translation: He isn’t pure white and he isn’t KKK.
Question!
How many vice presidents have become president?
14
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/junkie/archive/table080798.htm
The point is not how many VPs became president in the past.
The point is whether someone campaigning for VP is qualified to be the president, if it’s required.