John McCain warned during the presidential debate last week that ACORN, a group that he praised when he was its keynote speaker in 2006, was “on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history” and “may be destroying the fabric of democracy.” But columnist Bob Herbert argued that “when it comes to voting, the real threat to democracy is the nonstop campaign by the GOP and its supporters to disenfranchise American citizens who have every right to cast a ballot.”
Herbert wrote: “In one politically crucial state after another – in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, you name it – the GOP has unleashed foot soldiers whose insidious mission is to make the voting process as difficult as possible – or, better yet, impossible – for citizens who are believed to favor Democrats. For McCain to flip reality on its head and point to an overwhelmingly legitimate voter-registration effort as a threat to the ‘fabric of democracy’ is a breathtaking exercise in absurdity.”
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Yes!
There needs to be a Federal investigation, after Obama takes office. If he gets cheated out of office like Gore, there will be widespread protest. The margins going in are just too large.
Obama may be a socialist but Republicans are looking ,more and more like Communists/Nazis.
hmmm…France or Russia? I know which I would choose.
Absolutely, McWorse’s manager and former Rove staffer and current Rove Stooge, said as much himself. “We don’t have as much money as our opponents so we’ll have to use what we have wisely and on lawyers.” So, yeah, the only way McWorse can win will be to steal it. He’s unfit to serve. He’s a liar, just like his friend Bush.
At this point, McCain and the Republican party know they will lose. They are setting the stage for calling the election results into question.
McCain is making statements like that in a direct attempt to build a base of people that will question the validity of an Obama Presidency.
But columnist Bob Herbert argued that “when it comes to voting, the real threat to democracy is the nonstop campaign by the GOP and its supporters to disenfranchise American citizens who have every right to cast a ballot.”
Herbert wrote: “In one politically crucial state after another – in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, you name it – the GOP has unleashed foot soldiers whose insidious mission is to make the voting process as difficult as possible – or, better yet, impossible – for citizens who are believed to favor Democrats. For McCain to flip reality on its head and point to an overwhelmingly legitimate voter-registration effort as a threat to the ‘fabric of democracy’ is a breathtaking exercise in absurdity.”
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Sniff… snifff…
What a stinking load of manure.
Oh yes! Wonderful story! ROFL!
I had to read that twice, I loved it so much!
The writer means something like this is bad for Democracy
“Alice Palmer held the Illinois senate seat that Obama won in his first election in 1995. During her final year in office she decided to run for the U.S. Congress, but lost. She then hastily worked on qualifying for the ballot to retain her spot in the senate and some of her supporters even asked Obama to step aside in her favor. Obama pressed forward, however, and one if his tactics was to challenge hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions for Alice Palmer and three other candidates. The result was that none of them had enough qualifying signatures and Obama was alone on the ballot. Obama said he was operating by the rules and that if the candidates couldn’t get enough valid signatures, they might not be effective legislators. Critics, including some Democrats, criticized Obama for playing hardball in an election in which he had said he wanted to “empower disenfranchised citizens.”
“in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, you name it – the GOP has unleashed foot soldiers whose insidious mission is to make the voting process as difficult as possible – or, better yet, impossible – for citizens who are believed to favor Democrats.”
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Proof? Examples? Something?
Anti…this paper doesn’t need proof to bash Republicans. It has gotten disgustingly slanted with dozens of Palin put down threads, attacks on McCain, and now this. This paper has lost all credibility as a ‘news’ organization and is blantantly showing its bias.
damn typo…”blatantly”.
littlejohn posted October 23, 2008 at 1:23 pm
The writer means something like this is bad for Democracy
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You mean this part. . .
“Obama said he was operating by the rules and that if the candidates couldn’t get enough valid signatures, they might not be effective legislators.“
btw…is the FBI investigating these imaginary ‘foot soldier’ stories like they are investigating ACORN?
Obama is inelligible to be president of the U.S.:
http://www.restoretherepublic.com/elections/obama-dnc-admit-all-allegations-in-berg-v-obama
But, McCain is also not elligible:
http://www.weeklyworldinquisitor.com/McCain-Bush_lizard_alien.html
You can’t make this stuff up, many others already have…
Acorn in under investigation for registering those voters in many states that are not who they say they are. Just call me Micky Mouse.
Yes, the GOP is a bigger threat to democracy.
Right up there with religions.
” Pam and Rick Patterson have always followed teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and tried to live within their means.
He drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic to his job at Intel. She is a stay-at home mom who makes most of the family meals and bakes her own bread. The couple, who have five sons between the ages of 3 and 12, live in a comfortable but modest three-bedroom home in Folsom.
It’s a traditional lifestyle they believe is now at risk. That’s why the Pattersons recently made a huge financial sacrifice – they withdrew $50,000 from their savings and donated it to the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign, the ballot measure that seeks to ban same-sex marriage.
“It was a decision we made very prayerfully and carefully,” said Pam Patterson, 48. “Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children.”
Mormons such as the Pattersons have emerged as the leading financial contributors to the controversial Nov. 4 ballot measure. Church members have donated about 40 percent of the $22.8 million raised to pass the initiative since July, according to Frank Schubert, campaign manager for ProtectMarriage.com, the primary backer of the “yes” campaign.
Other religious groups have contributed, including a Catholic fraternal service organization – the Knights of Columbus – which donated more than $1 million. But no group has given more than the Mormons.”
Tell me again about the “secular” arguments regarding gay marriage?
Oh yeah. And the catholic church, through the KofC, was the largest funding agent of the hate amendment campaign in kansas.
terry, joe and phred were the mouthpieces.
The catholic church was the money.
This article sums up my opinion of the news media, and why I discount what is reported.
http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html
Geez, that wouldnt be an effort to BUY an election, would it?
If Inga Taylor gets out of state money, she’s buying an election.
If the catholics and mormons from out of state pour money into the california hate campaign, they are just acting on their beliefs?
woof
Steven, you are correct. No one can make this crazy stuff up!
So donate some money against them KFG.
Here is the real threat to democracy. Block the Vote!
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote
What makes you think I didnt?
My pockets, however, are not NEARLY as deep as the mormon church or the catholics.
Or the GOP… where buying an election is only a problem if obama is accused of doing it.
“Pam and Rick Patterson have always followed teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and tried to live within their means…It’s a traditional lifestyle they believe is now at risk.”
Where is the risk coming from? Which one, Pam or Rick, will be rushing out to get a divorce and enter a homosexual relationship if ‘gay marriage’ is allowed?
And with that let the anti-Eagle bias comment continue! LOL. It is only fair to link a party to corruption if it is the Democrats. The GOP is full of saints.
Phantom, I agree. If you can’t spell your own name and address, prove who you are, or can’t get your registration in on time, you SHOULD NOT be allowed to vote.
“Raptor
Posted October 23, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
btw…is the FBI investigating these imaginary ‘foot soldier’ stories like they are investigating ACORN?”
Probably not. I think the FBI answers to the executive branch which is controlled by the GOP.
“ANTI
Posted October 23, 2008 at 1:54 pm | Permalink
Phantom, I agree. If you can’t spell your own name and address, prove who you are, or can’t get your registration in on time, you SHOULD NOT be allowed to vote.”
I disagree. Mental capacity is not a determinant in who should or should not vote.
I think everyone that pays taxes should get to vote (I am pretty old-school though – tea party anyone?)
“bth
Posted October 23, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink
“Raptor
Posted October 23, 2008 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
btw…is the FBI investigating these imaginary ‘foot soldier’ stories like they are investigating ACORN?”
Probably not. I think the FBI answers to the executive branch which is controlled by the GOP.”
I think if an FBI officer tried to investigate they would be in the unemployment line next to the FBI officers who were ordered to investigate Democrats but did not to because there were no crimes.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 23, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
littlejohn posted October 23, 2008 at 1:23 pm
The writer means something like this is bad for Democracy
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You mean this part. . .
“Obama said he was operating by the rules and that if the candidates couldn’t get enough valid signatures, they might not be effective legislators.“
Okay. sure. ANd when Republicans demand that people actually LIVE at the residence they are registered to vote at (reported on and cstigated here) They are just following the rules.
I’ve got not problem with anyone following the rules. That’s the way it should be.
THere are many instances, on both sides, including some of the OBAMA associates, either breaking the rules, or bitching because the other side is insisitng on the rules.
mxyzptlk
Posted October 23, 2008 at 1:09 pm | Permalink
Obama may be a socialist but Republicans are looking ,more and more like Communists/Nazis.
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Try doing some research before you post. The Nazis weren’t communists… They were Socialists, just like the Democrats. They also pushed gun control, as well as abortion in the case of birth defects/eugenics (see Planned Parenthood).
I heard a news item (sorry no link) about the state elections board in WI putting their own names through the matching program. Most of them failed – mis-spellings etc.
Just how perfect do the matches have to be when minimum-wage clerks fill out these forms?
I believe the numbers were 4 of 6 had errors, in your example.
Ben, your mommy can’t hold your hand all of your life.
To any of you who believe this malarky then I challenge you to read the following from a southern Democrat reporter – let me know what you think.
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Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
By Orson Scott Card
Editor’s note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.
An open letter to the local daily paper — almost every local daily paper in America:
I remember reading All the President’s Men and thinking: That’s journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.
This housing crisis didn’t come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.
It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.
What is a risky loan? It’s a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.
The goal of this rule change was to help the poor — which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can’t repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can’t make the payments, they lose the house — along with their credit rating.
They end up worse off than before.
This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.
Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. It’s as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)
Isn’t there a story here? Doesn’t journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? Aren’t you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?
I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. “Housing-gate,” no doubt. Or “Fannie-gate.”
Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.
As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled “Do Facts Matter?” ( http://snipurl.com/457townhall_com ): “Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush’s Secretary of the Treasury.”
These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was … the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was … the Republican Party.
Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!
What? It’s not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?
Now let’s follow the money … right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.
And after Freddie Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate’s campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.
If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.
But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an “adviser” to the Obama campaign — because that campaign had sought his advice — you actually let Obama’s people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn’t listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.
You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.
If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.
If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.
There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension — so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)
If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.
Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That’s what you claim you do, when you accept people’s money to buy or subscribe to your paper.
But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie — that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad — even bad weather — on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.
If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth — even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.
Because that’s what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don’t like the probable consequences. That’s what honesty means . That’s how trust is earned.
Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time — and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.
Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter — while you ignored the story of John Edwards’s own adultery for many months.
So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means?
Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?
You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.
That’s where you are right now.
It’s not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.
If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.
Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation’s prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama’s door.
You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.
This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.
If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe — and vote as if — President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.
If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.
You’re just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it’s time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.
This article first appeared in The Rhinoceros Times of Greensboro, North Carolina, and is used here by permission.
I think it is rather humourous.
okobserver,
Please stop spamming the threads with the same long copy/past — post a link instead.
And if you want to learn about our dysfunctional corporate-owned media, read the archives at,
http://www.dailyhowler.com
Threats of criminal prosecution may scare some groups into closing voter registration drives, according to Schnapper. It could scare actual voters away from the polls as well, he said, “and that really does affect the outcomes of the election.”
A report from the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University Law School supports his claim. Researchers reviewed voter fraud claims across the country and found that most were caused by technical glitches, clerical errors or mistakes made by voters. One other finding: A person is more likely to be struck by lightning than to impersonate another voter at the polls.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/index.html
ANTI – since she is dead that is obvious. And I’m not asking her to.
And just what the Hell does that have to do with the topic at hand? Just because you need your mother to change your diapers …
okob:
I won’t read my own posts when they’re that long… let alone yours.
The past several elections I have advanced voted and found it very easy. I take a bit of a short-cut – instead of trying to spell my name etc I just hand them my DL. They look it up and then set the machine for my procinct. Quick and easy.
I suspect this year it will be a bit slower with the turnout but still anticipate it being easy. They have hours that go into the evening to facilitate after-work voting.
I think that Bill Gale is doing a pretty good job with the resources he has. He seems to be fair in his operations.
MrC – especially when she pasted the same thing all over the place.
Hey – is there going to be an election night watch?
bth
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:20 pm | Permalink
ANTI – since she is dead that is obvious. And I’m not asking her to.
And just what the Hell does that have to do with the topic at hand?
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If you can’t spell your own name and address, prove who you are, or can’t get your registration in on time, you SHOULD NOT be allowed to vote. These are not tough requirements Ben.
MrC that will be your loss. I hardly ever post long columns. This one is too important not to.
And Cosmos with the 20 link posts – at least mine is relevant. Of course you wouldn’t want to litter your brainwaves with truth. Carry on in your ignorance.
Ben did you read it either place? All over the place seems at little extreme but to the left two places might be ‘all over the place’ especially when you don’t read it. The truth comes up and slaps you in the face and you tell me your mind can’t wrap around it because it is too long.
What does that say about Ben?
If you can’t spell your own name and address, prove who you are, or can’t get your registration in on time, you SHOULD NOT be allowed to vote. These are not tough requirements Ben.
And are also indisputbly irrelevant.
What a moron.
P.S. Actually, the illiterate are allowed to vote, and should be–it’s called “democracy.”
But it’s still irrelevant, and you’re still a moron.
ANTI – if you knew how to read you would know that I specifically referred to the clerks filling out the information. Then when a voter comes in to vote they have the wrong spelling in their database.
Just like those election officials in WI found.
It has zero to do with my own abilities to spell etc.
“okobserver
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:28 pm | Permalink
Ben did you read it either place? All over the place seems at little extreme but to the left two places might be ‘all over the place’ especially when you don’t read it. The truth comes up and slaps you in the face and you tell me your mind can’t wrap around it because it is too long.
What does that say about Ben?”
What people are telling you is that it is inconsiderate to post such long things on here when a link to the place you are copying from will suffice.
It is not the validity or importance of the article, it is the length.
okob – I skimmed it and might try to read in entirety when I have time to digest it.
Agree, Ben. Bill Gale does great with the resources he has available.
“Just how perfect do the matches have to be when minimum-wage clerks fill out these forms?”
Note my refernce to clerks. So, the name entered into the database gets letters transposed and a voter shows up. His own CORRECT spelling does not agree with the government’s INCORRECT spelling. And ANTI tells us it is the voter’s fault.
A little more about Orson Scott Card:
He has described himself as a Moynihan Democrat, and later as a “Tony Blair” Democrat, saying he has to look outside the U.S. for someone representative for his views now that Moynihan has died and the Democrats oppose Bush. He has written columns condemning extremist liberals as being part of what’s wrong with America, and praises Zell Miller for trying to save the Democratic Party. During the 2004 election Card wrote many articles supporting the Bush/Cheney ticket, criticizing John Kerry, and lambasting his own state’s senator, John Edwards, as being absurd, insincere, and an opportunistic shill. Prior to the 2004 presidential race, Card had written that his state needed to regain control from people like Edwards and advocated running a strong primary opponent against Edwards should he run for reelection to the Senate.[13] He has also been a staunch defender of Fox News, stating that “It’s a good feeling to hear about our war from people who actually think it would be a good thing if we win.” [14] Card also publicly endorses children of illegal immigrants receiving in-state college tuition rates[15] and has stated there is a need for moderation in tax cuts.[16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Card#Political_identification
He’s a fairly decent SF writer, too.
Ben,
One problem with matching records is all the variations — “Road” vs “Rd”, “Avenue” vs “Av.”, “Sam” vs “Samuel”, etc.
Plus typos, misreading handwriting, etc.
‘Joe the faux plumber’s’ last name was entered wrong by a voter registration clerk, the “u” looked like, and was entered as an “o”.
Rage
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink
P.S. Actually, the illiterate are allowed to vote, and should be–it’s called “democracy.”
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Fine, on illiterate folks.
So how is proving who you are and getting your registration in on time, “indisputably irrelevant”?
thank you brian for your comment. Did you tell farmie that when she posted the column about the LDS couple that contributed $50,000.
Bet not. As in journalism only the left are right except when they are very wrong as this column points out.
Have you read it? There was actually a link to the same column after farmie comments on this. Did you click on it. Thought not.
wouldn’t want to mess up your equilibrium.
So Ben, Rage, what the hell is your solution? Just don’t keep records on who is voting?
So how is proving who you are and getting your registration in on time, “indisputably irrelevant”?
That was obvious before your original post, but Ben laid out the details above.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/is-gop-not-acorn-the-real-threat-to-democracy/#comment-453863
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/is-gop-not-acorn-the-real-threat-to-democracy/#comment-453859
Personally, I’d glad that we let low-functioning readers like ANTI vote.
okobserver posted October 23, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Of course you wouldn’t want to litter your brainwaves with truth. Carry on in your ignorance.
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okobserver, spend a few months reading the archives at DailyHowler, if you want to learn some truth about our media.
http://www.dailyhowler.com
Rage, Ben, I was referring to voters in general.
Rage, “I’d glad” to hear your solution to the problem since you know all about it.
Keep records. Possibly use provisional ballots when needed. ‘Cut some slack’ when Joe the plumber’s name has a letter out of order.
And, AS YOU KNOW, I favor IDs. Facilitate where needed getting IDs for non-drivers so we have a better mechanism. In fact, if we did that we could really speed things up. On the back of your DL is a 2-D barcode that contains your information. That can be scanned and then bring up the correct ballot. That way we could vote anywhere in the County and have our vote counted ‘at home’
“okobserver
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
thank you brian for your comment. Did you tell farmie that when she posted the column about the LDS couple that contributed $50,000.”
No, hers took one click of my mouse scroll wheel to go through, yours took 21.
“Have you read it? There was actually a link to the same column after farmie comments on this. Did you click on it. Thought not.”
Which ‘it’ do you refer to? The article by Mr. Card which you post the text of here? Yes I read it.
So Ben, Rage, what the hell is your solution? Just don’t keep records on who is voting?
You try to keep accurate records, and you don’t automatically presume minor discrepancies are indications are voter fraud. You use your head.
Seems simple enough, but obviously not to the liking of those who want fewer people to vote.
Always problems with Libs, never solutions…
And, AS YOU KNOW, I favor IDs. Facilitate where needed getting IDs for non-drivers so we have a better mechanism. In fact, if we did that we could really speed things up. On the back of your DL is a 2-D barcode that contains your information. That can be scanned and then bring up the correct ballot. That way we could vote anywhere in the County and have our vote counted ‘at home’-Ben
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I agree with that 100%
Well Brian what was you well thought out leftist opinion on it?
ANTI
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
Always problems with Libs, never solutions…
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Sorry, crossed post.
Twenty percent of minority voters do not have a government-issued photo ID.
Which is exactly why the RepubliCONs have made showing a government-issued photo ID mandatory in many states even though no clear need for photo ID’s has ever been proven.
Our dysfunctional, profit-driven, conglomerate-owned media is the real threat to our democracy.
For example,
‘JUST LIKE AL SAID! Russert pushed them RNC points. Somebody go wake Fred Barnes!’
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120202.shtml
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A strong democracy requires accurately informed citizens.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
Twenty percent of minority voters do not have a government-issued photo ID.
Which is exactly why the RepubliCONs have made showing a government-issued photo ID mandatory in many states even though no clear need for photo ID’s has ever been proven.
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It is simple to get one and ID should be mandatory.
The CONs forgot to consider that a lot of old folks in nursing homes also do not have photo ID’s.
And old timers were one of the CONs biggest voting blocs . . . at least, they WERE until McCain said he would cut Medicare.
Cosmos I fear you missed the salient point to my posting. This was a democrat writing this article. When demos and repubs write about their own you will always have some bias whether intentional or not. Not so when a democrat shows the flaws in newspaper reporting. We see newspapers becoming a thing of the past just as my subscription to Newsweek will become.
I want the truth. It may not be what I want to hear but I want to hear it anyway. That is my point. When did John Q Public stop expecting this and when did newspapers abdicate their responsibility to report it?
CapnAmerica
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
The CONs forgot to consider that a lot of old folks in nursing homes also do not have photo ID’s.
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If they can get to the polls, they can get an ID. Besides, a lot of nursing homes provide shuttles.
Three oclock and grandma duty kicks in. Think on it. I vote with showing ID. If a majority of points agree on an ID there should be no problem if a spelling is wrong. Name, address, picture, county, state, id# – you can get this without a drivers license.
okobserver:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/sarah-palins-economic-stimulus-plan/#comment-453852
“ANTI
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink…
It is simple to get one and ID should be mandatory.”
DL or implanted chip?
t is simple to get one and ID should be mandatory.
Why is that? Who are you afraid of voting who shouldn’t vote? Illegal immigrants? Cyborgs from the future?
I’d like to see this question posed to Gale and see his response.
Did someone say that getting an ID is easy?
Well, maybe it’s easy if you can drive. If you’re not connected to tubes in a hospital bed. If you can get time off from work to go stand in line somewhere.
In other words, it’s easy if you’re living like a Republican.
And if you’re not, hey, you don’t get to vote, according to the CONs.
Caring for others–unless they’re the richest of the rich–is not a CON strong suit . . .
Capn – that is why I included facilitating IDs in my list.
ACORN has been doing their ‘patriotic duty’ (sarcasm for you mentally challenged Dims) of registering dead people, fictitious names, multiple names multiple times, and the list goes on and on.
They are trying to defraud this election, they are no better than a bunch of primitive third world banana republic election criminals.
All the voter fraud complaints for the most part are all Democrat/ACORN people that I’ve read.
There was even a news line about a Democrat ‘care giver’ not allowing a care home resident to cast his ballot for McCain, and forcibly doing so for Obama.
These people are trash….like most of the DimLibs here in my opinion, and like Brownlee for putting in nothing but pro-Obama, anti-McCain threads.
What a crap rag for a paper, I delight in their financial problems.
In other words, it’s easy if you’re living like a Republican.
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Or like Capn’A who makes 6 figures.
okobserver posted October 23, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Cosmos I fear you missed the salient point to my posting. This was a democrat writing this article.
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okobserver, you seem to have missed the salient point. Truth is based on facts, not ideology.
And your Zell Miller supporter does not seem to be very factually based.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/is-gop-not-acorn-the-real-threat-to-democracy/#comment-453864
brian_nuevo
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
“ANTI
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink…
It is simple to get one and ID should be mandatory.”
DL or implanted chip?
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DL, State ID, or I suppose you could go to the Vet. to get a chip, but that probably wouldn’t help.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
Did someone say that getting an ID is easy?
Well, maybe it’s easy if you can drive. If you’re not connected to tubes in a hospital bed. If you can get time off from work to go stand in line somewhere.
In other words, it’s easy if you’re living like a Republican.
And if you’re not, hey, you don’t get to vote, according to the CONs.
Caring for others–unless they’re the richest of the rich–is not a CON strong suit . . .
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What a fukkin Drama Queen!
I work with internal controls a lot, and one of the decisions that needs to be made before a control is implemented is whether the risk to be controlled justifies the cost of the control.
In the case of voter fraud, I say that no, the risk of letting someone fraudulently vote does not outweigh the risk of preventing someone who should be allowed to vote from voting.
“ANTI
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:22 pm | Permalink
brian_nuevo
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
“ANTI
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink…
It is simple to get one and ID should be mandatory.”
DL or implanted chip?
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DL, State ID, or I suppose you could go to the Vet. to get a chip, but that probably wouldn’t help.”
If mandatory IDs are required for Americans, it will be a very very small step to implanted ID chips for Americans.
‘B’ CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN’S FACE… DEVELOPING…
SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
—Drudge Report
Is this the kind of stinking damn DimLibs you all are? It is if this is the kind of campaigning you believe in.
Many Obama supporters make me sick, they are sub-human, crazed animals that need to exterminated for acts like this.
If mandatory IDs are required for Americans, it will be a very very small step to implanted ID chips for Americans.
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I was referring to voting….But point taken, I don’t like it, however we are basically there already. Your Soc.# is used for damn near everything these days for ID to verify a vast number of account access and security purposes.
Acorn in trouble, but makes more excuses. The beat goes on.
http://www.nwi.com/articles/2008/10/23/news/top_news/doce273bd903d615e49862574ea00806d36.txt
“Boxlock
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink
‘B’ CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN’S FACE… DEVELOPING…
SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH
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Is this the kind of stinking damn DimLibs you all are? It is if this is the kind of campaigning you believe in.
Many Obama supporters make me sick, they are sub-human, crazed animals that need to exterminated for acts like this.”
This is no more a representation of the Democratic party or Liberal philosphies than the KKK and Palin supporters shouting racial slurs are representations of the Republican party and Conservative ideals.
If you think other wise you are more ignorant than most people think.
Box, they have already shot up houses and vandalized personal property of McCain supporters.
The story just came up.
PITTSBURGH — “A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.
Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.
Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim’s car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter “B” into her face, Richard said.
Richard said the woman refused medical treatment after the assault, which happened outside the view of the bank’s surveillance cameras.
The robber is described as a dark-skinned black man, 6 feet 4 inches tall, 200 pounds with a medium build, short black hair and brown eyes. The man was wearing dark colored jeans, a black undershirt and black shoes.”
Well, surprise surprise, imagine that a black Democrat thinking he has a right to someone else’s money and to carve his wishes into a 20 year old girls face.
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html
“Twenty percent of minority voters do not have a government-issued photo ID.
Which is exactly why the RepubliCONs have made showing a government-issued photo ID mandatory in many states ”
Please state your reference for the 20%. Please explain why it is not their responsibility to get a goernment issued photo id. Please state what the age categories of this 20% is, and how they are any different than any nonblack group.
“Well, maybe it’s easy if you can drive. If you’re not connected to tubes in a hospital bed. If you can get time off from work to go stand in line somewhere.
In other words, it’s easy if you’re living like a Republican”
In other words, if you are a Democrat, you can’;t drive and you are connected to tubes in a hospital bed.
“ANTI
I was referring to voting….But point taken, I don’t like it, however we are basically there already. Your Soc.# is used for damn near everything these days for ID to verify a vast number of account access and security purposes.”
Sometimes I think if we are going to have a national ID we should just go all the way and get an implanted one.
It would be kind of cool just to scan my arm going through the airport, not needing to carry a wallet, passport, or Dillon’s plus card. Maybe my employee badge and Visa card could be encoded as well so I would not need to carry anything in my wallet.
“Boxlock
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:32 pm | Permalink
Well, surprise surprise, imagine that a black Democrat thinking he has a right to someone else’s money and to carve his wishes into a 20 year old girls face.”
You are one ignorant racist aren’t you?
“Palin supporters shouting racial slurs are representations of the Republican party and Conservative ideals.”
How dare you equate your above statement with attacking a 20 year old girl minding her own business just because she has a McCain sticker on her car. What the hell has this country become.
All the fraud in this election is Democrat and now violence against innocent people.
You make me sick.
Sometimes I think if we are going to have a national ID we should just go all the way and get an implanted one.
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I’ll just carry a card, thank you.
Brian, a black man did commit this crime, how is that racist to point out? It’s a fact.
GOP last gasp.
Republican strategist Brad Blakeman, responding to a question about how John McCain could square his opposition to wasteful spending with the RNC shelling out over $150,000 on clothes and accessories for Sarah Palin, said that the real outrage is Barack Obama “taking a 767 campaign plane to go visit Grandma.”
This is the same grandmother who raised Obama and who is very seriously ill. Blakeman continued, “Forget about the energy that is wasted, what about the hundreds of thousands of dollars to take a private trip when this guy should be humping his bags on a commercial plane or taking a smaller plane. Taking a 767 of campaign money from people who could least afford it is more of an outrage in my opinion.”
Wow. Dumb attacker. While he was robbing this woman, he took the time to make a political statement? And nobody noticed a knife applied to a woman’s face?
And at the hospital, she “denies medical treatment?!” Not even a band aide?
Sounds like “babies getting thrown from their incubators.”
I always wondered why invading Iraqi troops wanted to steal incubators from hospitals.
Turns out, the story was completely bogus.
But not before everybody in America heard it over and over again . . .
brian_nuevo,
“You are one ignorant racist aren’t you?
Listen a$$hole, the news is the news. I don’t make it up. And you won’t face the facts.
And you’re the type that would make it illegal to give a description of that involved race….now that makes a lot of sense.
No you are the racist, and an idiot for not facing fact.
Yeah, Obama spent maybe, what 10,000 bucks, flying to Hawaii and back?
“ANTI
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink
Brian, a black man did commit this crime, how is that racist to point out? It’s a fact.”
Pointing out a fact is not racist.
Making a statement like “imagine that a black Democrat thinking he has a right to someone else’s money and to carve his wishes into a 20 year old girls face” is racist.
If you do not grasp the difference, I would be thrilled to give more examples.
Dem’s outsourcing calls?
Republicans, furious about negative campaign phone calls made by Democrats last week in Billings, did everything but label the tactic un-American.
Turns out, they could have.
The calls were made from Romania, according to phone records submitted this week to the state commissioner of political practices?
From Billings Montana
Jack Sands, a GOP candidate in Senate District 27 and the target of the Oct. 12 calls, filed the complaint alleging that the people making the calls didn’t identify who they were calling for. Senate District 27 includes parts of Billings and Yellowstone County. State law prohibits anonymous election material. ”
Doubtful, huh. Democrats outsourcing work? Yeah, right. Nobody cares, (Democrat or Republican) where crap comes from as long as the price is right.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
Yeah, Obama spent maybe, what 10,000 bucks, flying to Hawaii and back?
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I don’t think the douche has left yet….Some sick granny alright!
“Boxlock
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
brian_nuevo,
“You are one ignorant racist aren’t you?
Listen a$$hole, the news is the news. I don’t make it up. And you won’t face the facts.
And you’re the type that would make it illegal to give a description of that involved race….now that makes a lot of sense….”
When the news media gives a description of a crime suspect says they are black, that is not racist. That is called making a statement of fact.
If the new reporter said “as usual, we are looking for a black man for this crime” that would be a racist comment.
If the new reporter said “as usual, we are looking for a black man for this crime” that would be a racist comment.
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Not if it is a common occurrence.
“ANTI
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink
If the new reporter said “as usual, we are looking for a black man for this crime” that would be a racist comment.
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Not if it is a common occurrence.”
that is debatable, and depends on which ‘it’ you are referring to.
Eat some fiber Boxlock. jeeze.
Republican HQ Manager’s Home Shot Up Over McCain Signs
‘Democrats Far More Aggressive in Seminole County,’ Victim Says
“Coverely said he has taken about 300 calls concerning stolen or vandalized McCain signs in the area.”
http://www.local6.com/politics/17784129/detail.html
You’re RUNNING with that one Box?
NONE of the networks are irresponsible enough to air that story.
“…which happened outside the view of the bank’s surveillance cameras.”
Why how VERY convenient! And she was SO “mutilated” she refused treatment?
BS. And YOU fell for it.
Study: Coverage of McCain Much More Negative Than That of Obama
Media coverage of John McCain has been heavily unfavorable since the political conventions, more than three times as negative as the portrayal of Barack Obama, a new study says.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/22/study_coverage_of_mccain_much.html
“If the new reporter said “as usual, we are looking for a black man for this crime” that would be a racist comment.”
And in a inordinate (defined exceeding reasonable limits for you brian) percentage of the time this kind of stuff is a result of exactly that.
And that’s a fact! And the community, especially the black community, should unequivocally condemn, turn in, and punish this kind of behavior. But does that happen very often….
I’ll let you answer that question.
http://www.kansascity.com/449/story/854311.html
Election officials telling college students they can’t vote
Greg Gordon
McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — Colorado Democrats accused a Republican county clerk Wednesday of falsely informing Colorado College that students from outside the state could not register to vote if their parents claimed them as a dependent on their tax returns.
At a news conference in Colorado Springs, Democrats also criticized Robert Balink, the El Paso County clerk and recorder, who was a delegate to the Republican National Convention, for taking other steps they said would dampen voting by college students, who are expected to heavily favor Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
“When election officials spread false information about who is eligible to vote and remove, not add, polling places, we need to be concerned that eligible voters will be denied their right to vote,” said Pat Waak, chairwoman of the Colorado Democratic Party.
Balink issued a statement saying his office had misinterpreted state law and “mistakenly published information that was incorrect.”
Hannity fell for that crap too.
For a couple of minutes.
Box? I’m afraid we are going to have to mark you as “leaning Franklin”.
Fuel usage cost for Obama trip to Hawaii and back
Fuel usage 767 from one sourece
“The B767-300ER’s that fly with our company use approx. 2200-2500kgs/hr/engine….engines are PW4060.”
767 has two engines so about 5000 kgs per hour.
Time travelled, 11 hours each each (from Indianapolis) 22 hours total.
fuel burned 275000 kgs (137,500 pounds)
fuel weight 6 pound per gallon
fuel used 22,833 gals
cost per gallong (approx $5/gallon)
Trip cost 110,000
“BlueJay
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
You’re RUNNING with that one Box?
NONE of the networks are irresponsible enough to air that story.
“…which happened outside the view of the bank’s surveillance cameras.”
Why how VERY convenient! And she was SO “mutilated” she refused treatment?
BS. And YOU fell for it.”
and Boxlocks response sure told alot about her character too!
McCain coverage: Negative or Simply Accurate?
Box?
When Drudge or Hannity farts?
Doublecheck to make SURE you are hearing the London Symphony Orchestra.
“Boxlock
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
And in a inordinate (defined exceeding reasonable limits for you brian) percentage of the time this kind of stuff is a result of exactly that.
And that’s a fact! And the community, especially the black community, should unequivocally condemn, turn in, and punish this kind of behavior. But does that happen very often….
I’ll let you answer that question.”
You need to clarify your pronouns better.
When you wrote “this kind of stuff is a result of exactly that. And that’s a fact” what did the ‘this’ refer to? What about the first ‘that’, what did it refer to?
littlejohn,
Good work!
And aviation fuel is far at least that much.
That cost also does not count the hours that have to be added into the maintenance schedule.
His little trip cost well over that amount.
Then there is the Secret Service and other security expense.
I don’t take objection to him seeing his grandmother, I do to his campaign criticizing Palin for cloths when he does the same and more.
Hypocrites all.
Back to the topic…Thomas Jefferson once said something about for democracy to survive, both sides must respect the opinion of the other.
My point being that democracy is much more threatened by the intolerance and bigotry shown here than by any particular party. The myopic visions of “I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND YOU ARE ALWAYS WRONG” attitudes are what Jefferson warned about.
fNot, “And aviation fuel is far at least that much.”
Meant;
“And aviation fuel is far more expensive, at least that much.”
That story above is reminiscent of the Tawana Brawley (sp?) fiasco.
and little john, disappointingly I might add, slides toward the Franklin zone.
A man goes to see his sick grandmother and THAT is basis for an assault.
“Embarrassing. Embarrassing.”
“You need to clarify your pronouns better.”
brian again,
If you could follow the thread brian you wouldn’t need to ask.
But that’s too much to hope for obviously.
BlueJay
Posted October 23, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
and little john, disappointingly I might add, slides toward the Franklin zone.
A man goes to see his sick grandmother and THAT is basis for an assault.
“Embarrassing. Embarrassing.”
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Obama has been saying his Gma is urgently ill for 3 freaking days! It would have been responsible to leave right away! She must not be that sick.
littlejohn,
Obama’s campaign plane is a 757, not a 767 — and one of the smallest able to fly to Hawaii.
How long would it take the Secret Service to inspect a commercial plane, if Obama took a commercial flight? And check all of the passengers on that flight?
Cosmos-
Do you really want me to figure the operating costs for a 757? My response was singular in fuel usage, not total cost, in response to the CapnASmerica post
“CapnAmerica
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
Yeah, Obama spent maybe, what 10,000 bucks, flying to Hawaii and back?
I’ll take my numbers, you go ahead and take CapnAmericas. See if you can lease a plane for that.
“How long would it take the Secret Service to inspect a commercial plane, if Obama took a commercial flight? And check all of the passengers on that flight?”
I don;t know, you tell me.
“It would have been responsible to leave right away!”
Would it have been possible to do that? The logistics of it I mean?
This is one of two men who will be President. And the leading contender at that.
I’m not going to indulge second guessing a man going to see his sick grandmother. I only point out how very sad and desperate it is to see others do so.
cosmos – I do wonder if a Lear or something similar could have made the trip.
“BlueJay
Posted October 23, 2008 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
and little john, disappointingly I might add, slides toward the Franklin zone.
A man goes to see his sick grandmother and THAT is basis for an assault.
“Embarrassing. Embarrassing.””
Wrong, bucko. My response in in regards to CapnAmerica’s “maybe $10,000″ clearly wrong and uninformed post. It said nothing about the validity of his trip. Please read it again.
I’m not going to indulge second guessing a man going to see his sick grandmother. I only point out how very sad and desperate it is to see others do so.-BlueJay
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Bull sh*t! If it was McCain you would be on him like stink on sh*t!
Mccain will be visiting his grandmother soon enough, which is why Palin was such a poor choice!
Brian – Card gave you the facts as many on here have done repeatedly. The facts didn’t match the dems talking points so they must be wrong. What in the world are you talking about. He gave fact, after fact, after fact and you just pretend it didn’t happen.
Go figure!
Anyway, something could pop up like it did when he took his vacation. He needs to have his people and press corp with him.
Rage
Posted October 23, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
So Ben, Rage, what the hell is your solution? Just don’t keep records on who is voting?
You try to keep accurate records, and you don’t automatically presume minor discrepancies are indications are voter fraud. You use your head.
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Thank you for agreeing with the Republican stance that watchdogs on accurate records are maintained by the States.
Really? The GOP responsible for the death of democracy?
How could you even HINT that ACORN wasn’t perpetrating MASS voter fraud when upwards of 90% of some of their registrations have been junk!
There have been interviews from people who have said ACORN volunteers had them fill out seven, eight, ten cards with different names.
“Mickey Mouse” from Florida? COME ON!
The simple fact of the matter is the voter registration service completely broken and ACORN knows it. These bogus cards will work because all of these fake people will do EARLY, mail-in voting where they won’t have to show an ID.
It will be EPIC.
You also understand that it’s the media and their flagrant disregard for ACTUAL, true news that is allowing this to happen.
I’m not suggesting to you to vote any particular way, but let’s at least have a FAIR ELECTION.
If MCCAIN supporters were accused of voter fraud, you would never hear the end of it…and I mean NEVER.
…but no, the mainstream and liberal media wants their candidate to win. SO RATHER than true journalism, we are receiving absolute HORSE KA-KA like this little editorial nugget tht says that McCain is the bad guy for even bringing UP ACORN’s activities.
Obama’s presidency will divide this country more than ever. Nothing at all to do with his race, but because of the way he won the election and his insane policies.
He’ll be the best president money can buy.
This housing crisis didn’t come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.
It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.
What is a risky loan? It’s a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.
The goal of this rule change was to help the poor — which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can’t repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can’t make the payments, they lose the house — along with their credit rating.
They end up worse off than before.
Read more: http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html
Republican voter fraud/Democrat voter fraud . . . it’s all a load of cr*p. Voting is supposed to be easy, not difficult. It is the one thing we do where politics should intrude in no way whatsoever. It is the one thing we do that should be as pure as the driven snow.
Obviously, it isn’t. ACORN blew it, as they should have known, when they paid per registration. GI/GO: garbage in/garbage out.
But the Republicans certainly have dirty hands as well. An earlier post wanted stories and links to Republican shenanigans. Here it is:
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While John McCain has attacked the liberal US community group Acorn for alleged voter registration fraud, the Republican party continues to employ operatives facing fraud accusations including one who faces criminal perjury charges.
Democrats are accusing McCain of hypocrisy after the weekend arrest of Mark Jacoby, a California Republican operative. Jacoby has been accused of voter registration fraud after registering himself to vote at two homes where he did not live.
The arrest comes after McCain and running mate Sarah Palin attempted to tie Barack Obama’s campaign to Acorn, playing up a federal investigation of the group’s voter registration tactics in several states.
“Over the past few weeks we’ve heard John McCain denounce voter fraud on the campaign trail while the [Republican party] hurls false attacks, so the question is: where is the outrage now?” Democratic spokesman Karen Finney asked yesterday.
Jacoby is the second Republican operative revealed this week to possess a questionable record on voter registration. Nathan Sproul – who has been investigated by Congress for allegedly destroying voter registration forms and intimidating voters – got paid $175,000 by the McCain camp this year.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/22/uselections2008-republicans
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Say it ain’t so, Joe.
meverhart, who to believe you or Greenspan who warned of it in 05? Decisions, decisions.
Greenspan made the comment that loan terms were regulated at the state level, and as such the feds had no control over the loan terms.
Good luck Meverhart on getting the left here to read the truth. It just won’t happen. I have tried all day. They have heard it from us repeatedly, from Bill Clinton himself on one ocassion and now from the last honest reporter left in America who is also a democrat – and MrC says it is to long, BrianNuevo said it has no facts, Cosmos, well he never says anything actually he just disagrees with you if you post something right of his center.
The left have blinders firmly in place and we will go through some hard times because of it. Things won’t get better until we admit how we got here. Alan Greenspan said today that this was forcast by the republicans and ignored by news media. Too little too late I think.
Phantom I listened to his testimony and this wasn’t what I heard at all.
If Sen. Obama’s grandmother has a broken hip, as has been reported as being the medical issue, there is a certain urgency, given the number of older people who develop complications and die therefrom; but not a critical one, to be sure.
I’ve a feeling that the attack from the GOP will be viewed negatively, as one from the Democrats would be if Sen. McCain’s mother was in the same situation and he used his campaign plane to visit her.
The right has no blinders…you all are open-minded…sorry that is freakin funny.
“This housing crisis didn’t come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.
It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.”
That explains a portion of the mess but not all or even most of it. Not the over-priced McMansions. Not the speculators. Not the landlords who collect rent while not making payments.
Even in that segment where risky loans to low-income borrowers went sour it resulted from taking what had been a good idea and taking it TOO FAR. In effect, the “regulators” (sic) played ‘reducto ad adsurdum’ with the policy.
“okobserver
Posted October 23, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink
Brian – Card gave you the facts as many on here have done repeatedly. The facts didn’t match the dems talking points so they must be wrong. What in the world are you talking about. He gave fact, after fact, after fact and you just pretend it didn’t happen.”
OK, you are right, much of the things he posted were facts.
However, he is trying to use them to paste the ‘blame’ of the financial crisis on the Democrats, without putting any of the blame on the Republicans or on consumers themselves.
That is misleading and leaves out key details (the biggest of which is that there is no singular group, event, or ’cause’ of the financial crisis we are currently in.)
bth, it seems we were typing along the same lines a minute ago.
The former Fed chair said that a securitization system that stimulated appetite for loans made to borrowers with spotty credit histories, was at the heart of the breakdown of credit markets.
“Without the excess demand from securitizers, subprime mortgage originations — undeniably the original source of crisis — would have been far smaller and defaults, accordingly, far fewer,” he said.
A surge in demand for U.S. subprime securities, supported by unrealistically positive ratings by credit agencies, was the core of the problem, he added.
Greenspan proposed that that securitizers be required to retain “a meaningful part” of securities they issued. He said that regulatory reform will be necessary in the areas of fraud, settlement, and securitization to re-establish financial stability.
He did concede that he was partially wrong that cds’s didn’t need to be regulated.
subprime mortgage originations — undeniably the original source of crisis —
translation, those that make the original loans.
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CapnAmerica
Posted October 23, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink
Wow. Dumb attacker. While he was robbing this woman, he took the time to make a political statement? And nobody noticed a knife applied to a woman’s face?
And at the hospital, she “denies medical treatment?!” Not even a band aide?
Sounds like “babies getting thrown from their incubators.”
I always wondered why invading Iraqi troops wanted to steal incubators from hospitals.
Turns out, the story was completely bogus.
But not before everybody in America heard it over and over again . . .
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And they will continue to hear about it, Capn”Bogus”. The story, complete with photo of injury and the “B” scratched into her face.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D940EL380&show_article=1
After reading his testimony I think I was getting an altogether different take on his testimony. He was finally called to account for what he didn’t do in the last 10 years he was in office. History won’t be kind to this man and that is what he is fishing for.
“That is misleading and leaves out key details (the biggest of which is that there is no singular group, event, or ’cause’ of the financial crisis we are currently in.)”
”
Without the excess demand from securitizers, subprime mortgage originations — undeniably the original source of crisis — would have been far smaller and defaults, accordingly, far fewer,” he said.”
hmmm
Boxic,
Maybe we ought to start identifying criminals as right-wing christian homophobes too. Those are characteristics that are fairly easy to spot!
okob – on that we agree. Ol’ Greenie will not be viewed well.
Ben,
Getting a charter plane would have security issues. Plus the plane would need to be large enough for his Secret Service group, and his campaign people (working during the trip).
“when it comes to voting, the real threat to democracy is the nonstop campaign by the GOP and its supporters to disenfranchise American citizens who have every right to cast a ballot.”
And it appears that ACORN’s answer to this perceived problem is to sign up every person they can…dead or alive. Shades of Illinois 1960.
when it comes to voting, the real threat to democracy is the nonstop campaign by the GOP and its supporters to disenfranchise American citizens who have every right to cast a ballot.”
Riiiight.
This is the narrative. Just repeat it long enough, and it begins to become “true.”
And so it goes.
McCain is making statements like that in a direct attempt to build a base of people that will question the validity of an Obama Presidency.
Hmmmmm. Sound familiar? It should . . .
Not sure, but doesn;t McCain use a Citation Excel as a campaign plane? Or maybe just personal travel?
Curious.
Personally, I am glad that Obama is or did go see his ailing grandmother. The decisions on how he would travel has many components, far too complex to figure out here. As you can look upthread, I never questioned the validity of his taking his campaign plane. I don;t give a damn. Not my money.
Same as RNC spending 150,000 on clothes for Palin. Don;t care. What I do care about is patently false and illinformed statements being used to justify it.
“Maybe $10,000″. More likely between 10and 200K total trip costs.
Not sure, but doesn;t McCain use a Citation Excel as a campaign plane? Or maybe just personal travel?
Curious.
Personally, I am glad that Obama is or did go see his ailing grandmother. The decisions on how he would travel has many components, far too complex to figure out here. As you can look upthread, I never questioned the validity of his taking his campaign plane. I don;t give a damn. Not my money.
Same as RNC spending 150,000 on clothes for Palin. Don;t care. What I do care about is patently false and illinformed statements being used to justify it.
“Maybe $10,000″. More likely between 150 and 250K total trip costs.
She needs Joe the Plastic Surgeon ….
JMWalker misses it again.
“Republican voter fraud/Democrat voter fraud . . . it’s all a load of cr*p. Voting is supposed to be easy, not difficult.”
It is NICE if it is easy, it is a MUST that is is honest and NOT full of voter fraud as ACORN is doing.
Off thread but important to see.
School holds surprise ‘Gay’ Day for kindergartners
Parents outraged at public elementary’s secretive ‘coming out’ event
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78829
“SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Some parents are shocked to find their children are learning to be homosexual allies and will participate in “Coming Out Day” at a public elementary school tomorrow – and they claim the school failed to notify parents.
One mother of a kindergartner who attends Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science, a K-8 charter school in Hayward, Calif., said she asked her 5-year-old daughter what she was learning at school.
The little girl replied, “We’re learning to be allies.”
The mother also said a Gay Straight Alliance club regularly meets in the kindergarten classroom during lunch.”
Who the hell is running the school system, oh…I believe I read it’s the liberal Dimocrats.
Seems to me if you take away the incentive for signing up voters, in return for $$$, that a lot of this nonsense would stop….
That is to say, either pay these “registration agents” by the hour, or by the week (temp workers no less) instead of paying them by the number of voters they register, then the temptation to sign up Mickey, or Minnie, or the Dallas Cowboys goes away….
Another means would be to simply negate the use of these “registration agents” and their “organizations” altogether, and require all persons to register to vote in the County of residence, or by an absentee process such as already exists for voting…. This too would eliminate registration fraud….
It is NICE if it is easy, it is a MUST that is is honest and NOT full of voter fraud as ACORN is doing.
Of course, you neglect to include the Republican registration agent who was arrested in California just last week. But that’s ok. I am sure you will correct the next time you re-post the last post… :-)
“…Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science, a K-8 charter school in Hayward, Calif….”
Would that be a Public, or Private School??
Just wondering….
Geez, bigotbox is spreading his world nut daily bigotry over two threads? more?
Heheheheheh. Because Worldnutdaily is SUCH an objective news source…
About as objective as terry, joe and fred!
What I do care about is patently false and illinformed statements being used to justify it.
“Maybe $10,000?.
I admit it was a wild guess on my part, and I’m glad to be corrected on a factual matter.
Since he still hasn’t actually gone to Hawaii and we don’t know how he’s going to go, McCain’s comments are out of line.
Wow. Not a single CON cares to discuss the KC Star story about college students getting lied to by GOP election officials.
Nothing to see here. Move along . . .
While I agree the GOP has certainly presented itself as a threat to democracy, this isn’t something that has just now materialized but has been a process at work over these last almost 8 years. Consider: Over the course of those years, this Republican president has treated the Constitution as if it were construction paper to be cut and pasted to fit his every desire. He has tried to squelch dissent. He has denied Congress its constitutionally mandated oversight role. He has ignored judicial rulings. He has unilaterally done away with or disemboweled treaties. He has made torture official US policy—an action that puts him of the same side of this issue as the Grand Inquisitors of the Spanish Inquisition and against 230 years of American principle and practice. He has spied on Americans without probable cause or warrant and held American citizens (not to mention thousands of non-US citizens) incommunicado for years, without access to attorneys and treated to extraordinary brutality without even being charged with a crime (even Scalia, THE most conservative member of the US Supreme Court scolded the administration for that one). And all of this, and much more, done with the blessings of a GOP dominated Legislature (until 2007). So, does the GOP represent a threat to democracy? The answer seems obvious. But it must be pointed out that the DEMOS offered little in the way of meaningful opposition along the way, too often giving their tacit approval of our chief executive’s excesses. Our Democracy is clearly under siege, but while the GOP would insist that this threat arises from the barren desserts of Iraq, and the mountains of Afghanistan, the real threat comes from within. As Lincoln so eloquently put it in his first major speech:
“Shall we expect some Transatlantic giant to step across the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Africa and Asia combined could not by force make a track on the Blue Ridge nor take a drink from the Ohio River, not in a trial of a thousand years. If destruction be our lot, then we ourselves must be its author, and its finisher. It cannot come from abroad. As a nation of free men, we must live forever — or die by suicide.”
That Breitbart photo looked really fake.
1. The woman was a McCain “operative.” Wow, what are the odds of that, eh?
2. The putative B was made backwards. I’m not even sure it is a B. Maybe she just fell on some wire.
3. The skin doesn’t appear to have been broken. How does one carve into someone’s skin without cutting it?
Babies and incubators . . .
BTW, four years ago, Bush “operatives” staged outrages like this too.
A guy had his 8 year old son on his shoulders carrying a Bush sign at an event when a big mean Kerry punk roughed the two up and stole the sign.
Turns out the “Kerry punk” was actually the man’s older son . . .
It was all staged.
I didn’t even bother to click on outlander’s sad link Capn. I prefer to remember outlander in better days.
You say the B is backward?
That sounds consistent with a wound self inflicted in front of a mirror doesn’t it?
THAT is what we are going to find out this is. A distraught young con in an act of desperation. That’s what I’m betting on.
One wonders what other hells we will see in the coming days.
“One wonders what other hells we will see in the coming days.”
Martial law?
Question for those getting all hysterical about voter fraud: why don’t you ever get paranoid about voter suppression? You think Democrats can’t do it, or just aren’t doing it?
That’s interesting all by itself.
Oh PITIFUL outlander!
Can’t you see how that B was done in front of a mirror?
That young woman needs psychiatric help.
Just as soon as she does her time for false report.
Come on, Rage!
IOKIYAAR
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Rage
Posted October 23, 2008 at 7:16 pm | Permalink
Question for those getting all hysterical about voter fraud: why don’t you ever get paranoid about voter suppression? You think Democrats can’t do it, or just aren’t doing it?
That’s interesting all by itself.
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You mean voter suppression like the Democrats did in the South with their literacy tests and threats of hanging or getting their house burned to the ground?
The answer to the question that heads the thread, at least in terms of truly anti-democratic voter fraud through disenfrachisement, is yes. And certainly, there are ham handed and just plain creepy attempts to take advantage of younger folks’ presumed naivite in making voting seem to be either illegal or dangerous.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/53024.html
http://drexeldems.org/sites/default/files/images/voterintimidation.jpg
getting their house = getting black’s house
blacks’s
Here’s the story behind the bullsh*t letter from “Anonymous”.
DO click on outlander’s link.
Tell me that backward B was scratched into the face of a struggling assault victim.
You cons WILL make sure you follow up on this story won’t you?
Nah, I’ll take care of it.
Oooops, forgot the linkie.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Vote2008/story?id=5963751&page=1
And from Virginia:
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/09/norfolk-officials-ease-rules-registering-student-voters
And Montana:
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/10/15/news/local/news03.txt
Oh and keep in mind?
When Hannity first started pushing this hoax, he didn’t even say whether the “victim” was alive or not.
The story was put out as “McCain supporter mutilated by Obama supporters!”
More about the Acorn antics from a Hillary Clinton Blog. Don’t take up for Acorn you will be sorry.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=37913
And now, some more bullsh*t puncturing from Factcheck. I noticed Capn America was relaying this nonsense:
“And old timers were one of the CONs biggest voting blocs . . . at least, they WERE until McCain said he would cut Medicare.”
McCain didn’t say that.
And I swear of Obama does win, I will be asking the spam troll with some regularity if Obama’s tried to take his guns yet.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_false_medicare_claim.html
Oooops! Forgot second linkie.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_rifle_associations_true_story.html
From TMZ
“Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face cut by a politically-motivated attacker.
We’re told there are several things about the alleged attack that don’t add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a “thorough investigation” and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or a hoax. But we’re told there is definitely a level of skepticism.
As we reported, the alleged victim claims she went to an ATM and when she turned around, a large dark-skinned man took the money she withdrew. She says when he noticed she had a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on her car, he became enraged, knocked her down and cut a “B” in her face.”
Dyslexic, politically motivated mugger or disturbed young woman falsely reporting a crime?
Yeah I think we know how this ends up.
Obama Moves to Silence All ACORN Critics
Posted October 20th, 2008 at 4.01pm in Rule of Law.
Want a preview of what an Obama Department of Justice would look like? Look no further than Obama for America general counsel Bob Bauer’s letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey last Friday. Bauer wants the special prosecutor investigating the U.S. attorney firings to start investigating John McCain, Sarah Palin and other Republicans such as Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI). Their crime? Calling on our nation’s law enforcement officers to investigate widespread reports of vote fraud. Bauer writes:
“As Election Day approaches – just as in 2004 and 2006 – Republican Party officials and operatives nationwide, including the candidates themselves, are fomenting specious vote fraud allegations, and there are distorting indications of official involvement or collusion. …Accordingly, I call on you and Special Prosecutor Dannehy to expand her investigation to include these matters, all of them entirely consistent with the pattern of misconduct already within her charge.”
Heritage fellow Hans von Spakovsky replies:
“The Obama campaign’s Stalinist-style demand that a special prosecutor at the Department of Justice criminally prosecute any candidates, party officials or congressmen who discussed their concerns over voter fraud is an outrageous attempt to use the power of the federal government to intimidate and persecute political opponents. It is almost as if Senator Obama wants to reinstitute the Alien and Sedition Acts and it brings into sharp focus the issue of whether he understands the protections of the First Amendment and the importance of fair and secure elections.”
Obama of the muslim faith is nothing short of evil
The Jawless fish posts links in an attempt to justify criminal behavior and prevent private owner ship of guns.
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Agnatha
Posted October 23, 2008 at 7:37 pm | Permalink
Oooops! Forgot second linkie.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_rifle_associations_true_story.html
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The ad claims “it’s a true story,” but it isn’t quite. No woman was involved, for one thing. And the burglar didn’t violently smash the door frame, as shown, but entered using a stolen key.
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Well there it is, the criminal didn’t bust the door down, he used a ’stolen’ key.
Phew! Thank God we’re dealing with criminals who used more civilized devices to break into our homes!
The REAL story will hit the news tomorrow morning. This young woman has not done herself or her politics any favors. But she deserves ALL the attention she tried to bring on herself.
“Well there it is, the criminal didn’t bust the door down, he used a ’stolen’ key.
“Phew! Thank God we’re dealing with criminals who used more civilized devices to break into our homes!”
1) The point about the door and the gender of the individual who was attacked was that it was claimed to be based on a true story, but the particulars were false to manipulate outrage.
2) The main point of the distortion is that it made a false claim about Obama’s actions:
“It would be fair to characterize Obama as voting to uphold enforcement of local gun bans, even in cases where the banned weapons were used in self-defense. But the NRA goes too far when it claims that he voted ‘to deny citizens the right of self-protection’ generally. He did no such thing. The vote would have had no effect at all in places that didn’t have local gun bans in the first place. And even though DeMar was fined for possession of an illegal weapon, he was not charged with anything more serious, such as assault with a deadly weapon, because he was found to be acting in self-defense. Had the bill the NRA refers to not passed, nothing would have changed for DeMar or others like him. He would not have been subject to anything more than paying the penalty for violating the local handgun ban.”
As for the way Regular headed the post:
“The Jawless fish posts links in an attempt to justify criminal behavior and prevent private owner ship of guns.”
The proper response here is, as always, DNFTT. But the other snarky comment did merit at least a quick response.
“Obama of the muslim faith is nothing short of evil.”
Re: Kandisue
DNFTRT
The Wisconsin AG who is a Republican has done everything he can to throw out voter registrations, almost all which are from Democrats who recently moved, etc. I am one of them.
Fortunately, he has lost in court, twice, I believe. Here’s hoping he fails in his attempt to stop people from voting.
This Acorn deal is just a red herring to divert attention fromt he real efforts to control voting. I urge all Democrats to vote early so you won’t have troubles at the polls on election day
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neocon
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink
The Wisconsin AG who is a Republican has done everything he can to throw out voter registrations, almost all which are from Democrats who recently moved, etc. I am one of them.
Fortunately, he has lost in court, twice, I believe. Here’s hoping he fails in his attempt to stop people from voting.
This Acorn deal is just a red herring to divert attention fromt he real efforts to control voting. I urge all Democrats to vote early so you won’t have troubles at the polls on election day
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So you no longer live in Wisconsin and if you still live in Wisconsin, what the hell are you doing on a Kansas blog?
We Kansans could give a crap about your moving schedule.
BTW, I’ve moved many times in my life and never have had a problem getting my address corrected for voter registration.
Must be a dumb-o-crat thing…
Here’s the link
http://www.madison.com/tct/top5/310907
neocon?
Odd name. Don’t mind “Regular”. Nobody else does.
“Must be a dumb-o-crat thing…”
Once again.
Re: Regular
DNFTT
To Regular,
First of all, who appointed you to speak for Kansans?
You can STFU if you think you’re entitled to speak for anyone but yourself.
Dumb-o=crat? I am originally from Kansas, not that it is any of your business, you ignorant fool.
Some people actually expand their horizons beyond where they live. I know you can’t understand that, because you are obviously ignorant and of limited life experience and just plain pathetic.
Now if you want to talk facts, bring it on you braying donkeys butt.
Heh okaaaay
Now radio asylum inmate Michael Savage has picked up on Boxlock’s hoax.
I’m telling you, these people are becoming absolutely unhinged. They’ve enjoyed their power so long and are SO unhappy to lose it they may well not be safe to be let loose in polite society after the election.
The hatred and division they sell is toxic to the healing process this nation needs. Measures may need to be taken to address this. For their own and the collective good.
Tomorrow, when this hoax breaks, it will officially be the end of the beginning of the end for McCain/Palin and the Republican party.
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neocon
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink
To Regular,
First of all, who appointed you to speak for Kansans?
You can STFU if you think you’re entitled to speak for anyone but yourself.
Dumb-o=crat? I am originally from Kansas, not that it is any of your business, you ignorant fool.
Some people actually expand their horizons beyond where they live. I know you can’t understand that, because you are obviously ignorant and of limited life experience and just plain pathetic.
Now if you want to talk facts, bring it on you braying donkeys butt.
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You don’t live in Kansas do you ‘dairy state boy?”
You live in Wisconsin and therefore must abide by Wisconsin Voter Law as that’s one of the State’s power designated so by the Constitution.
I’ve traveled all over the world in my military career, I would hardly call my experience limited.
Stay in Wisconsin and try to get into an institution of higher learning.
It appears from your statements you need all the help you can get.
Interesting. I ask about voter suppression, and the only response is some crap from Regular about things that happened more than 40 years ago.
No Democratic voter suppression in 2008? Or perhaps you want to change the subject, as it makes the Republican voter suppression look not so good?
For that matter, what about Republican voter fraud? (tip o’ the hat to KFG for noticing the pattern)
Are you concerned with the integrity of democracy, or not?
To Regular,
I wouldn’t start comparing states. In general, the further north you go the better the school systems are and the better the scores on standardized tests, and on and on. If you think Kansas does better in educational levels than Wisconsin, well my friend, you probably think that Sara Palin is qualified to be president.
I knew a few petty folks like you who when I was in the military who also made personal attacks instead of arguing logically and presenting facts.
So, enough back and forth, I don’t want to disparage Kansans, except for a few like you, there are plenty of great people there.
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neocon
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:37 pm | Permalink
To Regular,
I wouldn’t start comparing states. In general, the further north you go the better the school systems are and the better the scores on standardized tests, and on and on. If you think Kansas does better in educational levels than Wisconsin, well my friend, you probably think that Sara Palin is qualified to be president.
I knew a few petty folks like you who when I was in the military who also made personal attacks instead of arguing logically and presenting facts.
So, enough back and forth, I don’t want to disparage Kansans, except for a few like you, there are plenty of great people there.
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As I said, put on your ‘big boy pants.’
You no longer live in Kansas, deal with the Wisconsin issues and keep them in Wisconsin.
When you come back to Kansas to live,you can whine with the rest of the ‘crats’ on this blog of how they are so mistreated.
In the mean time, go cry some cheese in Wisconsin.
P.S. This is decidedly off-topic, but I thought it might help those who might some of you to “think outside the box.”
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html
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Rage
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:33 pm | Permalink
Interesting. I ask about voter suppression, and the only response is some crap from Regular about things that happened more than 40 years ago.
No Democratic voter suppression in 2008? Or perhaps you want to change the subject, as it makes the Republican voter suppression look not so good?
For that matter, what about Republican voter fraud? (tip o’ the hat to KFG for noticing the pattern)
Are you concerned with the integrity of democracy, or not?
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You brought it up Aridzona boy…
McCain got your tongue?
:D
Let’s hear some convictions or prosecutions about voter suppression.
Or is it, all that you have is innuendo, maybe, could have been or “what if’s” in your bag of rotted carp?
neocon,
Regular appointed himself “Kansas values”(sic).
Regular does not have facts to back up his opinions.
Regular regularly LIES about various issues, posters, etc.
Regular adds false, fictional paragraphs to his copy/paste posts, to support(sic) his unsupportable opinions.
Regular posts stupid ad hominems, such as,
“I’m thinking ol’ Rod needs a hormone check. There’s definitely some shrinkage in the testes.”
In short, Regular is just a troll.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:45 pm | Permalink
neocon,
Regular appointed himself “Kansas values”(sic).
Regular does not have facts to back up his opinions.
Regular regularly LIES about various issues, posters, etc.
Regular adds false, fictional paragraphs to his copy/paste posts, to support(sic) his unsupportable opinions.
Regular posts stupid ad hominems, such as,
“I’m thinking ol’ Rod needs a hormone check. There’s definitely some shrinkage in the testes.”
In short, Regular is just a troll.
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neocon,
cosmos is a Theodore Kascynski clone. They think alike and have the same philosophy that modernization and technology must be halted in order for mother earth to survive.
cosmos is a 100 percent kook patterned after the ‘unabomber.’
Regular,
Now that I have my big boy paints on, let me explain something to you. This is a federal election. What happens here affects you there and visa versa.
We have had one president who might not have won fairly, and some of us would say we are paying the price now.
So, I’m doing my best to make sure everyone who is entitled can vote. If you find fault with that, then you probably think John McCain is running a clean campaign.
Or maybe that is the problem, you don’t think, because you are letting a drug addict, Rush Limbaugh and sexual abuser and pervert O’Reilly to do your thinking for you.
In the mean time, I’ll try and convince everyone to protect the vote.
BlueJay the butt-hole says, “Now radio asylum inmate Michael Savage has picked up on Boxlock’s hoax.”
BJ-butt-hole thinks this girl did this to herself?
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/10/23/developing-shock-mccain-volunteer-attacked-and-mutilated-in-pittsburgh/
Take a good look Butthole, and then come back with another of your asinine comments.
And then he says, “The hatred and division they sell is toxic to the healing process this nation needs. Measures may need to be taken to address this. For their own and the collective good.”
Sounds like the Soviet Gulag doesn’t it.
Rotten socialist/communist!
The “B” is backwards, idiot. Like it WOULD be if she did it to HERSELF in front of a mirror. MORON.
Law enforcement seriously doubts her story. And if you DON’T? You need adult supervision.
Crash and burn with her Boxlock. You’re a close third behind Franklin, and Regular now.
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neocon
Posted October 23, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Now that I have my big boy paints on, let me explain something to you. This is a federal election. What happens here affects you there and visa versa.
We have had one president who might not have won fairly, and some of us would say we are paying the price now.
So, I’m doing my best to make sure everyone who is entitled can vote. If you find fault with that, then you probably think John McCain is running a clean campaign.
Or maybe that is the problem, you don’t think, because you are letting a drug addict, Rush Limbaugh and sexual abuser and pervert O’Reilly to do your thinking for you.
In the mean time, I’ll try and convince everyone to protect the vote.
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Like I said, attend some classes at an institution of higher learning, you evidently don’t understand basic Civics.
What happens in Wisconsin might be interesting and I can comment on it, but it has nothing to do with my participation in the voter-side portion of Kansas’s electoral college.
I don’t listen to Limbaugh, Hannity or any other radio host. I don’t like Bill O’Reilly.
So what else you got other than your status as an ‘auslander’from the ‘cheese-head’ state.
Pssssst!
Wichita Eagle your bias is showing.
Where in the course of the campaign have you even bothered to have one thread on the over one dozen states and FBI investigating ACORN fraud?
Where is your thread on the PA arrest of ACORN members actually charging them with fraud?
Where is your outrage at the many, many years of ACORN fraud – documented nationwide with convictions and plea agreements?
Where is your concern that EVERY VOTE counts, or none of them do, because of one fraudulent vote?
Where is your concern over the old adage, “every vote counts” and elections are one by one vote.
Which means NOTHING when fraud is tolerated AND not even condemned by leadership?
Where is your concern and common sense when ACORN is by coincidence under investigation TODAY, in the states which are going to be close in the election? Where the poll margins are less than 2-3% in Ohio (for example), but the number of questionable registrations of 200,000 is greater than that?
Where is your I.N.V.E.S.T.I.G.A.T.I.V.E newsreporter on the ground looking into the details on each allegation? (or are you truly just tabloid now?)
Can’t wait for you to go broke. When your only subscribers are liberals, you will all eventually get tired of listening to the same tape recording.
The majority of Americans believe that the November 4 presidential election will see widespread fraud, according to an opinion poll carried out for Fox News. The poll showed that 60% of respondents think that voter fraud is either “very” or “somewhat” likely. 35% said it was unlikely.
Of those respondents who said that they believed voter fraud would take place, 47% said it would favor the Democrat party, while 35% said the Republicans.
Five percent of respondents said fraud would favor both parties equally.
The poll was carried out by Opinion Dynamics for Fox News on October 20-21 and involved 1,100 registered voters, with an error margin of 3%.
The results come amid a row involving ACORN – the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
According to the Associated Press, the FBI is investigating possible evidence of an attempt by ACORN to commit voter registration fraud. While ACORN has endorsed the Democrat presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama, his campaign is not working with the organization in the run-up to the polls. It did however hire an Acorn affiliate to help with voter registration during the primaries.
Arizona Senator John McCain said during Wednesday’s presidential candidate debate: “We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama’s relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.”
The Union News
Good evening to you Boxlock, just stopping by for a moment, but I see you are holding your own in this small sea of blue in the great red republic.
I know you are being effective as I see the usual posters calling you names and generally posting derogatory insults.
Good work!
“…opinion poll carried out for Fox News. ”
I don’t need to read any further than that.
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Boxlock
Posted October 23, 2008 at 6:30 pm | Permalink
JMWalker misses it again.
“Republican voter fraud/Democrat voter fraud . . . it’s all a load of cr*p. Voting is supposed to be easy, not difficult.”
It is NICE if it is easy, it is a MUST that is is honest and NOT full of voter fraud as ACORN is doing.
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Obviously, boxboy, you failed to read the entire post. If you had, you would see this is a bipartisan failing to control their own people. But ya got yer blinders on again, don’tcha boy.
AW,
The Wichita Eagle doesn’t hire real journalists.
The WE hires Liberal monkeys that are trained to type word for word what their progress leftist lib Reichstag journalists tell them to write.
Oh and BlueJay,
Have you saved the world yet?
I didn’t know if that hand me down computer from triple X is helping you be productive or to find health insurance. A teenage child is a terrible thing to go to waste while the so-called “dad” is blogging away all day.
Parents it going on ten PM. Do you know where your children are?
Regular,
You really are stupid if you don’t understand what happens in one state can impact everyone.
If the Ohio AG keeps Republicans away from the polls and Obama wins Ohio and subsequently the election, then I would say what happens there affects what happens in Kansas and Wisconsin since our votes would be diminished by fraud, which is what we were talking about.
There’s nothing wrong with Wisconsin, I mean come on, beer, cheese, brats and ‘foreigners’ who speak not only German, but know some Polish as well. How about that you big dupa.
Hi Hank “American way”.
Got anything else?
You’re hardly the go to guy on parenting!
Bet I have grandkids before you too.
“The “B” is backwards, idiot. Like it WOULD be if she did it to HERSELF in front of a mirror. MORON.”
No the ‘B’ is backward in the picture because he cut her face from her head, from behind her, and not over her body facing her.
Like I said you are a butthole, and a stupid one at that.
And she gave herself the black eye and other bruises as well….uh?
Face it Butthole, DimLibs are crap and that means you.
As American_Way points out about all the voter fraud, it’s all ACORN, all fraud, all DimLibs.
Yeah, I think junior sleeps with his computer.
Bet Junior’s kid must be re-introduced to his sperm donor father just to remember what he looks like.
Real fathers don’t waste time on the Internet when they have children to raise.
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neocon
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
Regular,
You really are stupid if you don’t understand what happens in one state can impact everyone.
If the Ohio AG keeps Republicans away from the polls and Obama wins Ohio and subsequently the election, then I would say what happens there affects what happens in Kansas and Wisconsin since our votes would be diminished by fraud, which is what we were talking about.
There’s nothing wrong with Wisconsin, I mean come on, beer, cheese, brats and ‘foreigners’ who speak not only German, but know some Polish as well. How about that you big dupa.
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What happens in Wisconsin affects Wisconsin only as far as their electoral college votes are concerned.
The voting irregularities that happen in Wisconsin are Wisconsin’s issues, not Kansas issues.
I’ve already had the best ‘beer, cheese, brats’ in the world when I lived in Germany.
Regular,
I have to congratulate you again.
You really had the DimLib bastards spitting and panting up thread again.
I am tickled you can do that to them, it might cause them to blow a major gasket and things will quiet down.
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Regular
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
AW,
The Wichita Eagle doesn’t hire real journalists.
The WE hires Liberal monkeys that are trained to type word for word what their progress leftist lib Reichstag journalists tell them to write.
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. . . and just who are the first people exterminated by a conquering army? Journalists . . . then teachers. And just what political group do those two have in common? Liberal Democrats. So, using common, main street logic, Liberal Democrats must be the most potent people on this earth, as we are the first to go to the wall.
Which also means the Neo-Conservatives must be scared to death of us, which entertains me to no end.
“he cut her face from her head, from behind her,”
So, backhanded, and without being able to see what he was doing?
Gone Boxlock.. Your credibility on this forum is gone.
But something ELSE IS rising. I see it here as I hear it on talk radio.
The crescendo of con wailing and flailing is rising.
BlueJay sings…
Lovin’ every minute of it!
Isn’t it …cute? how Hank American way and Regular James are jealous of me and my son?
These next two weeks and beyond are going to be simply DIVINE!
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JMWalker
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:18 pm | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
AW,
The Wichita Eagle doesn’t hire real journalists.
The WE hires Liberal monkeys that are trained to type word for word what their progress leftist lib Reichstag journalists tell them to write.
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. . . and just who are the first people exterminated by a conquering army? Journalists . . . then teachers. And just what political group do those two have in common? Liberal Democrats. So, using common, main street logic, Liberal Democrats must be the most potent people on this earth, as we are the first to go to the wall.
Which also means the Neo-Conservatives must be scared to death of us, which entertains me to no end.
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Scared to death???
ummm no…
Remember, I was in the Air Force, we can take you out from 30, 100, 1000, 3000 miles away and then go to lunch with a grin on our faces.
“Journalists . . . then teachers”
I can only dream for a return to journalistic reporting and teachers who teach.
But I think you have elevated them too highly on the death list. There were so many other important victims to silence.
BJ, you are really an incredibly stupid a$$
Geez, does someone have to draw you a picture. I doubt that would get it through you incredibly dense skull anyway.
“The man became very angry, made comments to Todd about John McCain punched her in the back of the head, knocking her to the ground, police said. He continued to kick and punch her repeatedly and said he would teach her a lesson for supporting John McCain,” said police Chief Nate Harper.
The man then carved the “B” into Todd’s right cheek.”
She was on the ground dimwit, he was above her head. There is a 75 to 90+ percentage chance he was right handed and would have cut the B into the right cheek, which would have made it backward looking straight at her.
No wonder you sit at home all the time, you are incompetent.
Here it is ACORN tied to Subprime mess:
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21280809/acorn_revealed.htm?pageid=23003
ACORN=OBAMA
I’m gonna call you stretcho from now on Boxlock.
Stretcho?
As my earlier link says, the police HIGHLY suspect the account.
I’ll await the police report. BEFORE I believe such an incendiary hoax?
This is getting NO national media. NOT EVEN Fox news. There is a reason for that. It’s a hoax.
I still want to meet you Stretcho. But I think I’ll put it off til after the election so I can laugh at you MORE.
Invite “American way” and let him prove he isn’t Hank.
Hmmm. . .read the story.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08297/922320-100.stm
I’m just wondering: even assuming the account is accurate, what kind of seriously deranged person would conclude this anything to do with Barack Obama?
Ever hear of the Bloods?
Her skin isn’t even broken, looks like it was scratched on with a fingenail. Repubs will fall for anything.
A guy robs her, waits for her to start walking back to her car, then notices she has a mccain sticker on the car, so decides to stick around to do a little carving, apparently with something to dull to cut with.
Right.
“The man then carved the “B” into Todd’s right cheek.”
With WHAT, a spoon?
The skin is not even broken.
So, backhanded, with the “victim”’s face away from him, the attacker manages a very legible, backward, B without breaking the skin?
Own it tomorrow Stretcho (Boxlock).
Then she poses for pictures for you tube.
Yeah. it actually looks like a bruise. The backwards-B shape could be entirely coincidental.
Geez, talk about the “silly season.”
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BlueJay
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:45 pm | Permalink
“The man then carved the “B” into Todd’s right cheek.”
With WHAT, a spoon?
The skin is not even broken.
So, backhanded, with the “victim”’s face away from him, the attacker manages a very legible, backward, B without breaking the skin?
Own it tomorrow Stretcho (Boxlock).
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Or, the attacker is very clever and sadistic.
Knowing that each time the victim looks in the mirror, the carved in “B” will appear.
P.S. Noticed how this story popped up right after the report of the Obama canvasser getting punched?
“I still want to meet you Stretcho. But I think I’ll put it off til after the election so I can laugh at you MORE.”
No….it’s because you are nothing but a lousy coward, plain and simply. And a rather stupid one at that.
Wouldn’t it be fair to say that random nuts who do violent things don’t represent either campaign?
“Knowing that each time the victim looks in the mirror, the carved in “B” will appear.”
For what? The next 3 days maybe?
Shudder. The FIEND!
Far from punking out, I’ll up the ante there Stetcho.
I’ll meet you, “American way” AND anyone else you choose.
But the time and place is still my choice. Per your own terms.
Wait for the police report on this “assault”.
Why did the “victim” say her attacker was “dark skinned”?
And NO video. How convenient.
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BlueJay
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink
“Knowing that each time the victim looks in the mirror, the carved in “B” will appear.”
For what? The next 3 days maybe?
Shudder. The FIEND!
Far from punking out, I’ll up the ante there Stetcho.
I’ll meet you, “American way” AND anyone else you choose.
But the time and place is still my choice. Per your own terms.
Wait for the police report on this “assault”.
Why did the “victim” say her attacker was “dark skinned”?
And NO video. How convenient.
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The attacker was probably familiar with ‘prison’ tattoos.
The usage is some kind of semi-sharp instrument to make the skin swell but not break it, then apply ink to it. Crude, but makes a statement and in prison, identification is sometimes crucial in staying ‘healthy.’
Branding traitors or ’snitches’ is often done with gang members as well.
Just a casual observer here, guys. Here’s Ashley Todd’s Myspace link and I’ll let it speak for itself.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8513159
It almost gets to be entertainment after a while, watching the G.O.P. float this voter fraud stuff. And from sea to shining sea, rest assured that this is one humdinger of a widespread epidemic. Here in the sunflower state a couple years ago, the story came out while the legislature was in session that Republicans wanted to require a birth certificate to register. The public faces of this little endeavor were hard-pressed to provide a solitary, concrete example of voter fraud, but citizens were nevertheless advised that the earnest officials in the G.O.P. “just knew that it was going on.”
In essence, you had to have faith that the party leadership in Topeka, by virtue of being Kansas Republicans, were not only all-powerful, but all-knowing as well, sort of omniscient, not unlike God.
So you looked at the story in the paper, and then you read it as you drank your coffee, and then you ate your doughnut and had another cup (only this time with maybe three or four heaping teaspoons of sugar), and you thought, Geez, if these guys can do this, if they can really see what’s happening, even when they can’t actually see it happening or prove it’s happening, then what else do they know and how do they know it?
I mean, predicting the future and so forth would come in handy in life. And if Republicans are as clairvoyant as they annually claim to be on voter fraud (pssst! Just trust us! We can see it!), then they should have been applying these special gifts in a few other areas of governing.
Who knows? Maybe the financial crisis could have been averted if only the clairvoyant types in the G.O.P. had managed to get word to everyone else when policies were being written.
At any rate, those who are new to the state and needing to register to vote should start saving for that birth certificate straightaway: the reformers will be back come January. (And who’s to say you have a valid birth certificate? “Hey! This guy registered a Democrat! Look! His doctor signed it and everything! Pssst….check him out…I heard something fishy about that quack.”)
You have punked out BJ, and everyone knows it and in fact knew you would. Except for the lesie farmer they all know you are putrid societal dregs.
Semi sharp breaks the skin when applied with any pressure there Jimmuh Regular.
SO, let’s review.
From behind the victim, with her face away from him, the attacker surgically manages a backward attempt at a “B”?
And “B” for…what? An O would be easier given the increasingly impossible conditions of the “assault”.
I’m sorry for you outlander. You got pwned by Stretcho “Boxlock”.
Look at the width of the letter, that was no knife unless it had the tip broken off, and was used to scrape the mark.
If she’s smart, she didn’t file a police report, or she may be up for charges.
Also, does look like the loops for the b begin and end on the vertical line, that dude was good!
I upped the ante Box.
I’ll enjoy it more after the election. But I’ll meet you under the terms above before if you like.
PLEASE make sure you invite “American way”.
BlueJay is so incredibly dumb he can not even visualize that she was on the ground, he over her head from behind, and used his right hand to carve a normal ‘B’ into her face from the top of her head.
I right hand used from that position relative to her body would of course be ‘backward’ looking face on.
But, as I said Butthole is DUMB!
As I’ve said before Butthole, you name it for next week, in Wichita.
I’m waiting……chirp, chirp, chirp…..
Let’s remember.
As I posted above, the original story was a McCain supporter had been “mutilated”. At first, there was no confirmation the “victim” was even alive.
Now, the exaggeration has been reduced to “carved”.
Through the night, I guess it will go to “gouged”.
And then maybe the “attacker” will be said to have “scored”…
then “scratched”…
then maybe, oh I don’t know, “marred”?
Done. McCain is done with this hoax by one of his disturbed supporters.
In case you can’t figure that out B.H. that’s a ‘CALL’. Your “ante” means nothing now.
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BlueJay
Posted October 23, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink
Let’s remember.
As I posted above, the original story was a McCain supporter had been “mutilated”. At first, there was no confirmation the “victim” was even alive.
Now, the exaggeration has been reduced to “carved”.
Through the night, I guess it will go to “gouged”.
And then maybe the “attacker” will be said to have “scored”…
then “scratched”…
then maybe, oh I don’t know, “marred”?
Done. McCain is done with this hoax by one of his disturbed supporters.
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The ‘crim’ would have to carve “GB” on Juniors face – “Girly Boy”
You put your apparently free self to my schedule there Stretchbox.
I’ll hold you to that. DO invite “American way”.
Heh, truth funnier than fiction?
From wmd4jesus’s link, the MySpace page for “Italian Pajamas”:
“Lying is the most fun a girl can have without taking her cloths off, but its better if you do.”
Female
23 years old
College Station, Texas
United States
Last Login: 10/23/2008
Let’s have some REAL fun Stretchbox.
I happen to know that “Regular”, like you, is available pretty much anytime.
So, when I call our meeting, you can invite “American way” and “Regular” too.
In the interest of getting “Regular” some sunlight and social contact?
Remember B.H. I said from the first thread “next week”, as I am out of town on business for the next several….something you would have no conceptual idea of, work I mean.
Now you are going to use that to squirm like a coward away from any meeting.
You don’t do anything but blog and sit and complain so you have no reason to make excuses except that you are a liar and a coward.
And everyone here is about to see that you are for the umpteenth time.
That’s a HEALING shiner she’s sportin’, not a new one. No swelling, no burst blood vessels in on her sclera — her eyes are white and clear.
Something smells decidedly rotten in Denmark. I believe this girl may have some personal problems.
Yeah, I think McCain/Palin — and their supporters — are going to have another bad Friday tomorrow.
I saw that too Rage.
But this one is the right’s stretch.
That girl needs fair treatment and a fair hearing.
My guess is, this is a hoax by a disturbed young female supporter of McCain/Palin. But I will not run with that as the right has.
The young woman in question deserves justice and tender care. Her story is another matter. She invited attention. She should get it.
Oh, and Bigotbox? Michelle Malkin thinks the mutilation story is a hoax.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/23/why-that-mccain-volunteers-mutilation-story-smells-awfully-weird/
How does it feel, Bigotbox, to have less intellectual honesty than Michelle Malkin?
“Ashley Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas” Per Drudge
Not 23, pay attention Rage.
Let’s get this clear “Boxlock”
Define “next week”. Dates please.
Con radio whack job Mark Levin was on this too.
O’Reilly mentions it but won’t embrace or pursue it.
The “assault”?
I make a guess here. Cons cut their own loose when no longer useful.
In 24 hours, the cons will be saying that they were only a victim of this poor sick young woman’s delusion.
There are multiple girls with that name on Facebook.
Think you got the wrong one?
$5 says she picked up the shiners last Saturday night.
$500 says the shiners were not inflicted within 24 hours of that photo.
Not 23, pay attention Rage.
Actually, I’m not even sure that’s her MySpace page. I’m reserving judgment (hence the use of a question mark).
YOU ran with the story Stretchbox. Don’t blame Rage for better trying to flesh it out.
Flog away, Bigotbox, the fool who rushes in where Malkin fears to tread.
Did someone post a Facebook link?
“Define “next week”.”
Next week, like in not this week, and not the week after next week.
Defined as:
“and that “next week” said on Sunday means “the week beginning tomorrow”.
http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:dyjtmbixtqAJ:www.answers.com/topic/week+next+week,+define&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
The 27th through the 31st, which is NEXT WEEK, numskull.
B.H., what are you, a Clinton understudy?
Rage Posted October 23, 2008 at 10:45 pm
“Actually, I’m not even sure that’s her MySpace page. I’m reserving judgment (hence the use of a question mark).”
No problem.
Got it “Box”
My call. That was your choice.
“I believe this girl may have some personal problems.”
No doubt that. But she has invited the attention on herself. That she chose to add a racial component is unfortunate.
By the way? Before it starts?
It is not the Obama campaigns job to apologize or reach out to this woman. It is McCain who must choose to embrace or distance her. Since SHE claims the “assault” was political?
SURELY, McCain/Palin will want to embrace this woman just as they have Joe the “plumber”?
“This profile is set to private. This user must add you as a friend to see his/her profile.”
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8513159
(From Ashley Todd’s MySpce page.) [referenced above at a 10:15 p.m. post]
So, which one of you all is added as Ashley Todd’s Friend??? Hmmmm????
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Regular
Posted October 23, 2008 at 9:23 pm | Permalink
Scared to death???
ummm no…
Remember, I was in the Air Force, we can take you out from 30, 100, 1000, 3000 miles away and then go to lunch with a grin on our faces.
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Being as I was in the Air Force as well, I know you couldn’t take anybody out from 3 feet, let alone 3000 miles. The Air Force could, but you? Hahahahahahahaha!!!
““I believe this girl may have some personal problems.””
That may well be BlueJay, we don’t know yet.
At 20 yrs of age she probably has little more sense than you exhibit, though she has a better excuse for immaturity being so young.
It is unfortunate whichever way it goes.
Before this thread is relegated to history, I want the record to show that the attack on a McCain supporter mentioned upthread was in the end(less than 24 hours later) proved to be a total and complete hoax, the details of which are not know fully as of this post.
Amen to that.
The fact remains that the story was run by the local news, from the police report, and picked up on by several other news organizations WITHOUT ONE MENTION OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT’S VALIDITY.