John McCain’s campaign has begun a concentrated effort to undermine Barack Obama’s character, GOP strategists said. In addition to a television advertisement attacking Obama’s honesty, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has been accusing Obama of “palling around with terrorists.” She was referring to former Vietnam-era radical William Ayers, who hosted a fundraiser for Obama a decade ago (and whose views and past actions Obama already has denounced).
Meanwhile, Obama is fighting back against what he calls “Swift boat-style attacks” with a Web video about McCain’s membership in the Keating Five and involvement in the savings-and-loan scandals of 20 years ago (which McCain already has called “the worst mistake of my life”).
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I guess neither has much substance of current events to argue about.
I am glad things are going so well in the world today that neither McCain nor Obama needs to discuss actual issues of the here and now.
Essential viewing –
“Keating Economics”
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo
You’re right Brian but should Obama not respond to McCain and Palin’s accusations? Just like the Swiftboating of Kerry last time, all the negative stuff gets the front page news and the serious issues are lucky if they get on the back page.
I find it more revealing that Palin made the first shot last week in her debate. Obviously this is a McCain campaign’s strategy and if that is all McCain has to offer, then where is his call for reform?
McCain’s course correction reflects a growing case of nerves within his high command as the electoral map has shifted significantly in Obama’s favor in the past two weeks.
“It’s a dangerous road, but we have no choice,” a top McCain strategist told the Daily News. “If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we’re going to lose.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/05/2008-10-05_insults_fly_as_barack_obama__john_mccain.html
New Brian,
Senator Obama is speaking directly to address the substance of current economic meltdown, how it affects working people and exactly what he plans to do about it, if we vote the Obama/Biden ticket in.
“mom
Posted October 6, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
You’re right Brian but should Obama not respond to McCain and Palin’s accusations?”
Of course he should respond. His response should be:
Yes I did that. I am sorry. Here is how I learned from it and will prevent a similar mistake from beign made in the future.
Rather than his current response philosophy of “oh yeah, well you did something stupid too”
The amount of mud that McCain/Palin sling in the remaining days of this campaign is directly proportional to how badly they think they are going down the toilet.
Be sure and duck!
The amount of mud that McCain/Palin sling in the remaining days of this campaign is directly proportional to how badly they think they are going down the toilet.
Be sure and duck!
brian_nuevo posted October 6, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Of course he should respond. His response should be:
Yes I did that. I am sorry. Here is how I learned from it and will prevent a similar mistake from beign made in the future.
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And what did Obama do wrong? He was not “palling around with terrorists”. Is everybody who has contact with Ayers “palling around with terrorists”?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-strategist-if-we-k_n_132179.html
McCain Strategist: “If We Keep Talking About The Economic Crisis, We’re Going To Lose”
McCain’s course correction reflects a growing case of nerves within his high command as the electoral map has shifted significantly in Obama’s favor in the past two weeks.
“It’s a dangerous road, but we have no choice,” a top McCain strategist told the Daily News. “If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we’re going to lose.”
Read the whole story here.
brian_nuevo
Posted October 6, 2008 at 2:21 pm | Permalink
“mom
Posted October 6, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
You’re right Brian but should Obama not respond to McCain and Palin’s accusations?”
Of course he should respond. His response should be:
Yes I did that. I am sorry. Here is how I learned from it and will prevent a similar mistake from beign made in the future.
Rather than his current response philosophy of “oh yeah, well you did something stupid too”
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But if the accusations are false? Besides, you and I both know that the truth gets buried on the back page and McCain’s campaign is only pushing their old tactic of fear and scaring the voters. It might have worked for Bush for the last 8 years, but I don’t think that is going to work this time.
i do not know about nor care about the details of his involvement in something from 10 years ago.
My statement should have included something to the effect that, if what he is accused of is false, he should rebut it.
Kerry made a BIG mistake when he did not strike back. I don’t think Obama will repeat that mistake.
Here is a good website to have some fun with:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
Yeah, twenty years ago Osama Obama was still snorting coke, smoking crack and making allegiance with his college buddies who happened to be middle eastern terrorists and terrorist financiers.
He could say “In the future, should I sit on a board, I will have a bio run on all existing board members.”
How do we know he even knew Ayers past? I lived through the period, and his name wouldn’t have rang a bell with me.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-on-attack.html
Obama on Attacking Keating Attacks on McCain: ‘We Don’t Throw the First Punch, But We’ll Throw the Last’
October 06, 2008 2:10 PM
In Asheville, NC, this afternoon, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., made a statement about today’s bleak economic news, hammered Sen. John McCain’s campaign tactics, and refused to answer questions about McCain’s role in the Keating 5 Scandal — which his campaign is discussing quite a bit — before getting into his car and speeding off to get some barbecue at 12 Bones Smokehouse.
‘Before we go get some barbecue I want to make a statement on the economy,” Obama said.
“Obviously we woke up this morning and saw that the markets are still in turmoil. Not only are we seeing the stock market go down, but there is still great danger of the credit markets locking up and we have seen the contagion is spreading to all parts of the globe. Europe is having some of the problems that we are having here in the states. Asia is being affected
“It is a reminder that the rescue package that was passed last week is not the end of our efforts to deal with the economy. It is just the beginning.
“I think it is very important for Secretary Paulson and Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Bernanke to move swiftly and try to restore confidence as quickly as possible to effectuate the plans based on the authority given to them by congress. I think it is still critical for us to move forward on an economic stimulus package that can provide people some relief from high gas prices. Food prices. Help states and local governments maintain their payrolls. I think we have to extend unemployment insurance after the statistics showing that 159-thousand additional jobs were lost just last month.
“And we are going to have to then move on an aggressive plan to deal with some of the underlying structural problems in the economy including the continuing decline in the housing market.
“Now, Sen. McCain and I have a debate tomorrow. And obviously the American people are going to be anxious to hear from one of the two people who is going to be the next president and responsible for dealing with this economic mess and what their plans are. I was a little surprised over the last couple of days to hear Sen. McCain say – or Sen. McCain’s campaign say that we want to turn the page on discussions about the economy and campaign, a member of Sen. McCain’s campaign saying today that if we talk about the economic crisis we lose.
“I have got news for the McCain campaign: the American people are losing right now. They are losing their jobs. They are losing their health care. They are losing their homes and their savings. I cannot imagine anything more important to talk about than the economic crisis and the notion that we would want to brush that aside and engage in the usual political shenanigans and smear tactics that have come to characterize too many campaigns I think is not what the American people are looking for. So I am going to keep on talking about the economy. I am going to keep on talking about what we need to do to strengthen the middle class and get our credit markets settled down. I have confidence we are going to solve this problem but we are not going to solve it with business as usual. And we need fundamental change and that is why I am running as president. Alright. ”
Obama was twice asked by the press pool, “Why did you bring up the Keating Five?” but Obama ignored the questions and got in his car.
**
He wasn’t so reticent on the Tom Joyner Morning Show, when the host asked about the McCain-Palin campaign’s attack on him for “palling around with terrorists,” namely former Weather Underground member William Ayers, currently an education professor in Chicago.
“First of all, just the facts,” Obama told Joyner. “Mr. Ayres is somebody who lives in Chicago, he is a professor at the University of Chicago — University of Illinois, teaches education and he engaged in these despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. I served on a board with him and so now they are trying to use this as guilt by association. And as you’ve said they explicitly stated what they want to do is to change the topic, because they don’t want to talk about the economy and the failed policies of the last eight years. So, I think the American people deserve better. I think they deserve a last four weeks that talks about the economic crisis, about the 159 jobs that were lost –159,000 jobs that were lost just last week—last month.
“But if John McCain wants to have a character debate then I am happy to have that debate, because Mr. McCain’s record despite him calling himself a maverick actually shows that he is continually somebody who relies on lobbyists for big oil, big corporations and that he makes decisions oftentimes based on what these lobbyists tell him to do. And that I think is going to be a lot more relevant to the American people than what somebody who is tangentially related to me did when I was eight years old.”
Joyner noted that the Obama campaign launched a website keatingeconomics.com, going after McCain for his role in the S&L crisis of the late 1980s/early 1990s, and his role in the Keating Five scandal. “Of course Charles Keating was a savings and loan guy out of Arizona,” Joyner said. “Doesn’t this put you in the position of going negative, taking away your message of running a different kind of campaign?”
Said Obama: “One of the things we’ve done during this campaign: we don’t throw the first punch, but we’ll throw the last. Because if the American people don’t get the information that is relevant about these candidates and instead in the last four weeks all they are hearing about are smears and Swift Boat tactics that can have an impact on the election. We have seen it before, and this election is too important to be sitting on the sidelines. If Senator McCain wants to focus on the issues then that is what we focus on. But if Senator McCain wants to have a character debate that is one that we’re willing to have.”
**
The last gasp of the corrupt republican party. Thankfully the Bush years are at an end and Bush-McCain policies can be put behind us.
Charles Keating is still giving money to Keating 5 McCain. UNBELIEVABLE!!
Posted by: memyself | Oct 6, 2008 3:44:16 PM
brian_nuevo,
What did Obama do wrong, re Ayers?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/if-you-thought-the-campaign-was-negative-before/#comment-440907
“cosmos_originally
Posted October 6, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
brian_nuevo,
What did Obama do wrong, re Ayers?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/if-you-thought-the-campaign-was-negative-before/#comment-440907”
F if I know or care
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/if-you-thought-the-campaign-was-negative-before/#comment-440925
John McCain was CLEARED of any wrongdoing in the Keating 5 matter.
The other FOUR members? They were Democrats.
brian_nuevo posted October 6, 2008 at 2:50 pm
“F if I know or care”
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Okay, Brian believes that Obama should apologize re Ayers, because, “F if I know or care”.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/if-you-thought-the-campaign-was-negative-before/#comment-440899
Bill Ayers HIRED Obama.
Bill Ayers stood on a flag, to promote his book, “Fugitive Days” while Ayers and Obama were STILL working together.
Ayers appeared in the New York Times, on 9-11-01, promoting his book, and saying he “did not do enough” terrorism.
Obama sent money to radical groups, when Obama RAN the liberal trust fund that Ayers hired to run.
Ben
Did McCain’s relationship with Charles Keating, in ANY way, effect McCains votes or policy decisions?
NO! And this was the verdict of the Senate Ethics Commission.
However, Obama’s relationship with the corrupt ACORN DID affect Obama’s votes and policy decisions.
Obama’s HUGE financial support, from the mortgage business, DID seem to buy favor, from Obama.
Obama has lots of very strange friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNfRb87dtY4&feature=related
John McCain was CLEARED of any wrongdoing in the Keating 5 matter.
“Cleared” isn’t the right word to use. He wasn’t indicted, but he was certainly involved, otherwise why would he get a “slap on the wrist”? Cleared of impropriety but criticized for poor judgement, as was John Glenn.
Cranston was severely reprimanded. Riegle and DeConcini were criticized for acting improperly.
So obviously the Democratic Congress gave fellow Dems a pass on this, or at least in Franklin’s world.
Franklin has been pitching this crap for months.
Now Palin and McCain are gonna play in it?
They’ll end up just as well regarded as Franklin is.
A Democrat Congress found DEMOCRATS Far more at fault than anything McCain did.
Teflon John, Cindy gets adicted, has a Dr. write bogus Rx. telling him it’s so she can send the medicine overseas, Dr. loses his license, Cindy works in a soup kitchen (don’t think she even served all of that). Mccains big supporter asks for help, Mccain obliges, Supporter goes to prison, other participating senators convicted as well, Teflon John, gets a slap on the wrist for poor judgement.
Poor John.
Considering that McCain was a personal friend of Keating’s, I don’t know that Franklin or Palin and McCain should be talking about “friends”.
People who live in glass houses (even NINE glass houses) shouldn’t throw stones.
They probably gave mccain a slap on the wrist because of his ‘mad cow’, wouldn’t look good beating up on a big self proclaimed ‘hero’.
BJ
Nobody would ever use your name, as a character reference on a job application.
Your opinion does not count, in the least.
A Democrat Congress found DEMOCRATS Far more at fault than anything McCain did.
So what are you bitching about, Franklin? If they’d gone lightly on them, you’d have been ranting and raving about that.
You cons are unbelievable.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 6, 2008 at 2:56 pm | Permalink
Hey cosmos_o, you may want to check this link out:
http://www.geos-oceania.com/links/reading-comprehension-courses-and-software.htm
BoA going to raise 10 bil. in a stock sell, at these depressed prices that a pretty good dilution for shareholders.
“Franklin
Posted October 6, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
A Democrat Congress found DEMOCRATS Far more at fault than anything McCain did.”
Is that a surprise?
Shouldn’t right and wrong always overshadow party affiliation?
Given that Cindy made 15 mil. off her Keating connection, even after the scandal, one would think John would thing twice ‘afore slingin mud. (oh, I just used a palin term!)
I’ve heard, in person, what your fellow bloggers think of you Franklinpaulie.
SOME of them even know you personally.
Let’s just say you are not well thought of or regarded with any credibility.
If McCain goes down your road his political career will be as over as yours is.
brian_nuevo,
You should read your own posts.
Obviously the just held dems to a higher standard than a repub.
Potential Theft of Billions by ACORN in the bailout bill
Obama to amend report on $800,000 in spending
By David M. Brown
Friday, August 22, 2008
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat’s campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports.
An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. — a subsidiary of ACORN — worked in “get-out-the-vote” projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.
The Ohio primary was March 4. According to FEC records, the Obama campaign paid Citizens Services Inc. $832,598.29, from Feb. 25 to May 17.
Citizens Services Inc. is headquartered at the same address as ACORN’s national headquarters in New Orleans.
Early in his career, Obama worked as an organizer for Project Vote, an ACORN offshoot, and represented ACORN in legal actions, according to various published reports, including Associated Press articles. ACORN’s political action committee endorsed Obama in the primary.
Under the bill, ACORN would have received 20 percent of asset sales.
““It’s more than 20% of the profits from all asset sales. It’s 20% of the profits from each profitable transaction. As the portfolio will likely have a significant number of loss transaction, the proportion of the profits allocatable to the “housing trust funds” will be much more than 20% of the aggregate profit.”
I noticed that language … AWFUL was my reaction. We could have $100 billion in gains on some assets, $200 billion in losses on other assets, and the bill language would force $100 billion loss on the taxpayer AND add on $20 billion bill diverting money to ACORN, for a wallet-grab of $120 billion to the taxpayer.”
Folks, Obama is dangerous and tried to rob the American people blind with this funding of ACORN by some slippery tactics.
Obama is in bed with ACORN.
“SOME of them even know you personally.”
Which makes us guilty by association.
ACORN’s Housing wing
http://www.acornhousing.org/index.php
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-hid-800k-payment-to-acorn
references for the post
Phillip,
100% pure EDITOR BIAS.
You portray the McCain campaign as unfairly attacking Obama and even defend Obama and then you say Obama is just “fighting back” with his own negative ads.
Nevermind the fact that McCain was never guilty of anything related to the Keating 5.
And you probably wonder why your paper is losing money.
It is because people no longer have to read your bias to get to the news.
““It’s more than 20% of the profits from all asset sales. It’s 20% of the profits from each profitable transaction. As the portfolio will likely have a significant number of loss transaction, the proportion of the profits allocatable to the “housing trust funds” will be much more than 20% of the aggregate profit.”
Where does it say ACORN?
Obviously the just held dems to a higher standard than a repub.
Sure looks that way, Phantom
McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating.[33][34] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[27] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[35] In addition, McCain’s wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating’s expense, sometimes aboard Keating’s jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][36] Because of these connections, Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick stated in 1989 that McCain was the “most reprehensible” of the five.[37]
(The above from Wikipedia–with references cited)
Where does it say ACORN?
========
Under the “Giving America the Shaft Part II” section.
McCain said, “I have done this kind of thing many, many times,” and said the Lincoln case was like “helping the little lady who didn’t get her Social Security.”
Many, many times, John?
“Nathaniel
Posted October 6, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink
Phillip,
100% pure EDITOR BIAS.
You portray the McCain campaign as unfairly attacking Obama and even defend Obama and then you say Obama is just “fighting back” with his own negative ads.
Nevermind the fact that McCain was never guilty of anything related to the Keating 5.”
So Nathaniel, are you saying that McCain’s attacks were not unfair because McCain was never guilty of anything related to the Keating 5, or that the Editors were biased because McCain was never found guilty of anything related to the Keating 5 but Obama was?
Obama should play this as Biden played Sarah Palin in the debate.
Afraid of coming off as mean, Biden used kid gloves with Palin.
The effect was that Palin condescended herself.
The perception was that Biden was standing back so lil’ Sarah could have her little say. Let her get it out.
John McCain is a very angry man. He is becoming an increasingly frustrated and desperate man. He’s due to blow apart. Will he do it before or after he sheds his last ounce of credibility and dignity is the race.
“housing trust funds”
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Which Funds are those, bth?
#
bth
Posted October 6, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink
““It’s more than 20% of the profits from all asset sales. It’s 20% of the profits from each profitable transaction. As the portfolio will likely have a significant number of loss transaction, the proportion of the profits allocatable to the “housing trust funds” will be much more than 20% of the aggregate profit.”
Where does it say ACORN?
================================
Gee Ben, I thought you had a PhD and could figure this out.
These funds distribute funds to local organizations to improve housing for the poor, elderly and disabled, sometimes including ACORN.
The amount could go to ACORN, because of ACORN’s housing arm and their assistance to the previously mentioned.
Notice I already pointed out that the infamous arm of ACORN called the Citizens Services Inc. is headquartered at the same address as ACORN’s national headquarters in New Orleans.
Funds from ACORN have been know to filter over to the Citizens Service Inc., which does voter fraud by making up names, putting in fake addresses, registering fictitious names, double entries on already registered voters and dead citizens.
Obama is in bed with ACORN’s subsidiary, Citizen Service Inc. As we speak, Citizen Service Inc. is using 800,000 dollars illegally forwarded to them by the Obama campaign.
Obama is a slick crook and cannot be trusted.
BTW, it was Pelosi that attached the ACORN provision in the bailout bill.
I think mccain made a big mistake going with the sleaze attack just before the debate, Obama’s the kind of cool cat that will focus his anger into makin mccain look like an old fool.
Mccain is an old fool that will let his anger get the best of him, I’m looking for a temper tantrum. Maybe, it’ll be he instead of Sarah that stomps off the stage (he’s made hasty exits before at hearings).
What ACORN IS:
ACORN FROM their Housing Wing Website
Parent company of Citizen Service Inc., the massive voter fraud organization.
Who We Are
National non-profit ACORN Housing has been providing free housing counseling to low and moderate income homebuyers since 1987. We have opened HUD-certified, Fannie Mae-approved housing counseling offices across the US, helping over 50,000 families to achieve homeownership.
ACORN Housing provides one-on-one mortgage loan counseling, first-time homebuyer classes, and helps clients obtain affordable mortgages through our unique lending partnerships.
We look at your savings and credit history to see if you qualify for a mortgage. We can help you with credit problems and to create a downpayment savings plan.
When you qualify, we can help arrange a mortgage with lower interest rates, lower down payments and lower settlement costs than what banks usually offer.
60s radical Bill Ayers was never prosecuted for a crime… and they ain’t even pals…
McCain hung out with Keating in the Bahamas.. lucky dog..
Man, it’s nice down there!
ACORN IV: Obama, ACORN, Citizen’s Services Inc: False FEC Filings
By NancyAgravatar
See Authors Posts (77) on August 15, 2008 at 11:55 AM in Acorn, Barack Obama, Campaign Financing, Crime, Current Affairs, Federal Elections Commission, Fund raising, Legal Challenge, Louisiana, Missouri, Obama, Ohio, Voter Fraud, Washington state, corruption
Irrefutable evidence indicates that Obama’s campaign has been doing business with CSI, which appears to have been operating fraudulently in the State of Maryland and Ohio, and ACORN, which has been associated with a laundry list of fraudulent business practices. The full nature of the relationship between ACORN and Citizens Services Inc is not known but this much is clear: both share the same address in
New Orleans and officials with CSI refer folks to ACORN for questions about “political consulting” and “Get-Out-The-Vote” activities. These are questions that mainstream media should examine.
According to Wikipedia, ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, was founded in 1970 as “a community organization of low- and moderate-income families that addresses housing, schools, neighborhood safety, health care, job conditions, and other social issues that affect its members.” Voter registration has been a major activity for the organization and ACORN has been working actively to register voters on behalf of the Obama campaign. According to the Milwaukee Journal Online,
The ACORN effort is part of a massive voter registration drive aimed at the fall presidential election, which is expected to pit Democratic Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois against Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
Although voter registration and Get Out the Vote drives seem like noble activities, in fact, not all of ACORNs dealings have been legal, and once again ACORN is facing investigation for illegal voter registration:
Criminal investigations could be launched against at least six voter registration workers who tried to add dead, imprisoned or imaginary people to the voter rolls, according to the Milwaukee Election Commission and the organization that employed them.
This is not the first time that ACORN has been under criminal investigation. I have already looked at Obama’s connections to ACORN and put into context ACORN’s fraudulent activities during the primary election season here, and here. In fact, the same Wiki entry list five earlier indictments:
False registrations by employees
In some locations, ACORN employees have submitted false registration forms rather than obtaining registrations from actual eligible voters.
* In Ohio in 2004, four ACORN employees were indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms.
* In January 2005 two Colorado ACORN workers were sentenced to community service for submitting false voter registrations. ACORN’s regional director said, “we find it abhorrent and do everything we can to prevent it from happening.”
* On November 1, 2006, four part time ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City, Missouri for voter registration fraud, after being caught, fired, and turned in by ACORN. Prosecutors said the
indictments are part of a national investigation.ACORN said in a press release that it is in large part responsible in these individuals being caught, and has cooperated and publicly supported efforts to look into the validity of the allegations.
* ACORN was investigated in 2006 for submitting false voter registrations in St. Louis, Missouri. 1,492 fraudulent voter registrations were identified.
* In 2007, five Washington state ACORN workers were sentenced to jail time. ACORN agreed to pay King County $25 000 for its investigative costs and acknowledged that the national organization could be subject to criminal prosecution if fraud occurs again. According to King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg, the misconduct was done “as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections.”
Indeed Obama has a long history of working with ACORN in his community organizing days in Chicago. A subsidiary of ACORN, Citizens Services Inc (CSI), is part of what John Fund of the Wall Street Journal calls “Obama’s Liberal Shock Troops”.
For example, a search for ACORN at the 1024 Elysian Fields Avenue address in New Orleans uncovers at least 70 different organizations operating out of that front. One of these, Citizens Services Inc, has received almost $1 million dollars from Barack Obama’s campaign in the last five months.
Citizens Services Inc seems to run under the radar and they do not advertise their services. In response to one of their board members, someone named Sunday Alibi, we were told that this work is done by ACORN, not Citizens Services. Citizens Services has worked on the Get-Out-The-Vote (GOTV) efforts for campaigns in at least two states, Maryland and Ohio.
First, they were involved in the Maryland Congressional race of 2006, which brought about an FCC complaint this year involving Representatives Al Wynn and challenger Donna Edwards, Wynn vs. Edwards. At the center of the complaint is Citizens’ Services Inc and several other ACORN entities. According to the Louisiana Secretary of State all three of these businesses work out of 1024 Elysian Fields Avenue, New Orleans, ACORN’s business address.
According Lori Sherwood, Wynn’s campaign manager, Edwards made three payments of $76,866.80 to Citizens Services Inc, for a door-to-door get-out-the-vote effort. It seems CSI listed as their business address, 11 Chase Street, Baltimore. When Ms. Sherwood checked the address she found no CSI/ACORN. Upon further examination by Ms. Sherwood, CSI was listed as a foreign company, which was false. Finally Ms. Wynn discovered that the company had forfeited their license to do business in Maryland two months after the 2006 primary race.
Secondly, I looked for CSI/ACORN “campaign consulting” fees in Ohio. I called the Secretary of State of Ohio to find out if they were listed as an active business and they were not. I did find the following businesses operating in Ohio, ACORN LLC, ZACORN (active fictitious name) and acorn.net. As there was no permit for CSI to do business in Ohio, clearly any GOTV activities were operating illegally in that state as well.After placing my call to the Secretary of State in Ohio, I found the following advertisement seeking workers for the Obama campaign, dated February 21, 2008. These are positions paid for by the Obama for America campaign. The full body of the help wanted ad can be found here: Obama Seeks Canvassers
GOTV for Obama! Ohio ACORN is doing a Get Out The Vote project with the OBAMA Campaign. Ohio ACORN is hiring canvassers to go door to door encouraging voters to vote for Barak Obama.
ACORN is hiring in Cleveland (216)431-3905 , Columbus (614)425-9491, Cincinnati (513)221-1737, for Dayton (call Cincinnati), and for Toledo call Cleveland. Or email polnatoh@acorn.org and your inquiry will be routed to the appropriate person in each of these cities. Intake and training will be held daily at local ACORN offices.
Canvass begins on Wednesday Feb. 27th and will work through election day. Please, only persons wishing to work all or most of these days (Saturday and Sunday included) should inquire.Please do not contact the Obama campaign directly regarding this post as they are not the organization doing the hiring and it will only distract their staff and volunteers from the other important work they are doing on behalf of Senator Obama. Good luck.
According to Ohio Citizen Action, payments of $590,526.10 were made to Citizens Services Inc (ACORN) for “campaign consulting”. I reviewed all the FEC filings from February until June for Obama for America (Obama’s campaign
title) and found payments to CSI/ACORN. In all Obama for America made payments
totaling, $832,598.29
Obama is in bed with ACORN and Citizen Action. Obama is a crook.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/15/obama-acorn-citizens-services-inc-false-fec-filings/
Regular,
What is the source of the 2 paragraphs begining with,
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Under the bill, ACORN would have…
I noticed that language … AWFUL was my reaction. …
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In your copy/paste at
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/if-you-thought-the-campaign-was-negative-before/#comment-440996
Did Regular just add some fictional garbage to your copy/paste, like he did with the New Orleans levee post?
The earlier paragraphs were from,
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html
but those other 2 paragraphs were NOT.
cosmos worrying about hyperlinks, the information is from bonafide websites and investigator bloggers and reporters.
Perhaps cosmos is mad he is not privy to some information. :)
“Housing provides one-on-one mortgage loan counseling, first-time homebuyer classes, and helps clients obtain affordable mortgages through our unique lending partnerships.
We look at your savings and credit history to see if you qualify for a mortgage. We can help you with credit problems and to create a downpayment savings plan.
When you qualify, we can help arrange a mortgage with lower interest rates, lower down payments and lower settlement costs than what banks usually offer.”
A lot of credit unions do that as well. I guess that makes them criminal enterprises.
Ben
The original bail out bill contained AUTHORIZING legislation.
It did NOT have to name ACORN, by name.
Instead, it named government agencies which have assisted ACORN in the past.
Democrats got caught.
ACORN was stripped from the final bill.
Sobering thought!
Much is made of McCain’s age. Has anyone brought up the fact that Obama smokes and both of his parents died at an early age.
Plus Biden has had two brain aneurysms which could have killed him.
If they both died while in office that would leave Nancy Pelosi as president.
I can’t think of a better reason to vote for McCain & Palin
Regular posted October 6, 2008 at 3:59 pm
cosmos worrying about hyperlinks, the information is from bonafide websites and investigator bloggers and reporters.
Perhaps cosmos is mad he is not privy to some information. :)
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Translation: It’s fiction, and Regular cannot post his source.
David
Bill Ayers got off, for his crimes, because the FBI screwed up.
Ayers wrote a book, BRAGGING about his crimes.
Ayers is guilty of domestic terrorism.
Even Ayers agrees, on that point.
You are ridiculous.
David
Ayers WAS prosecuted.
The case had to be dropped due to FBI mistakes.
Ayers and Obama have been very, very tight, often appearing together, working on several projects together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g&eurl=http://backyardconservative.blogspot.com/search?q=wright
Yeah, “Boxlock” –
We were all sure you were on the fence with your presidential choice.
I doubt if Barack Obama is likely to die of breast cancer. And his father was killed “at an early age” in a car wreck.
John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) has a feisty nonagenarian for a mom, but when his father was the Senator’s age he’d been dead two years.
I’ve posted links of twice-born CONs’ websites where they “pray John McCain accepts Jesus and dies soon.”
So now we have ‘could’ go to, ‘if’ there’s a profit, didn’t sound like too much of a sure thing to me.
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
Wall Street Journal
The Acorn Indictments
A union-backed outfit faces charges of election fraud. Friday, November 3, 2006 12:01 A.M. EST
So, less than a week before the midterm elections, four workers from Acorn, the liberal activist group that has registered millions of voters, have been indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms to the Kansas City, Missouri, election board. But hey, who needs voter ID laws?
We wish this were an aberration, but allegations of fraud have tainted Acorn voter drives across the country. Acorn workers have been convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and investigations are still under way in Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania.
The good news for anyone who cares about voter integrity is that the Justice Department finally seems poised to connect these dots instead of dismissing such revelations as the work of a few yahoos. After the federal indictments were handed up in Kansas City this week, the U.S. Attorney’s office said in a statement that “This national investigation is very much ongoing.”
Let’s hope so. Acorn officials bill themselves as nonpartisan community organizers merely interested in giving a voice to minorities and the poor. In reality, Acorn is a union-backed, multimillion-dollar outfit that uses intimidation and other tactics to push for higher minimum wage mandates and to trash Wal-Mart and other non-union companies.
Operating in at least 38 states (as well as Canada and Mexico), Acorn pushes a highly partisan agenda, and its organizers are best understood as shock troops for the AFL-CIO and even the Democratic Party. As part of the Fannie Mae reform bill, House Democrats pushed an “affordable housing trust fund” designed to use Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac profits to subsidize Acorn, among other groups. A version of this trust fund actually passed the Republican House and will surely be on the agenda again next year.
Acorn and its affiliates have pulled some real stunts in recent years. In Ohio in 2004, a worker for one affiliate was given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy and Jive Turkey. During a Congressional hearing in Ohio in the aftermath of the 2004 election, officials from several counties in the state explained Acorn’s practice of dumping thousands of registration forms in their lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms had been collected months earlier.
“You have to wonder what’s the point of that, if not to overwhelm the system and get phony registrations on the voter rolls,” says Thor Hearne of the American Center for Voting Rights, who also testified at the hearing. “These were Democratic officials saying that they felt their election system in Ohio was under assault by these kinds of efforts to game the system.”
Given this history, it’s not surprising that Acorn is so hostile to voter identification laws and other efforts to ensure fairness and accuracy at the polls. In Missouri last month, the state Supreme Court held that a photo ID requirement to vote was overly burdensome and a violation of the state constitution. Acorn was behind the original suit challenging the statute, and it has brought similar challenges in several other states, including Ohio.
A recent Pew Research Center survey found that blacks today are almost twice as likely as they were in 2004 to say they have little or no confidence in the voting system. Such a finding would seem like a powerful argument for voter ID laws, which consistently poll well among people of all races and incomes and would increase confidence in the voting process. Of course, voter ID laws would also cut down on fraud, which, judging from the latest indictments, would put a real crimp in Acorn’s style.
“Mccain is an old fool that will let his anger get the best of him, I’m looking for a temper tantrum.” — Phantom
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I agree on McCain’s temper and there is much evidence he needs lots of help in anger control, but the debate tomorrow night is a town hall format. It will be easier for McCain as he will be performing in his comfort zone and interacting with an audience who will be a constant reminder of his need to behave well. I don’t expect to see him “lose it” tomorrow, but will be surprised if he makes it to election day without having blown up.
Ben
If you defend ACORN you are truly clueless.
An actuarial firm calculated that there’s a 25% chance that mccain dies within 4 yrs., around 6% Obama does.
Actually, “Franklin” –
I have it on good authority that Ayers was only 44% terrorist.
Your obsession with fringe issues makes me wonder if there’s something like adult-onset autism.
You’re the Republic Party “Rain Man.”
And frankly, I’m grateful you’re not on my side.
Ben, from the post above:
“Operating in at least 38 states (as well as Canada and Mexico), Acorn pushes a highly partisan agenda, and its organizers are best understood as shock troops for the AFL-CIO and even the Democratic Party. As part of the Fannie Mae reform bill, House Democrats pushed an “affordable housing trust fund” designed to use Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac profits to subsidize Acorn, among other groups. A version of this trust fund actually passed the Republican House and will surely be on the agenda again next year.”
PaulTheShrillShill – show me where I defended ACORN.
In fact, if anything, REGULAR was defending them by posting something that appears to be good that they might be doing.
Depends on the questions asked, I guess. Fortunately, like with palin, there won’t be thorough follow up.
Given the format, I expect about the same outcome as with palin, mccain will come off more folksy, throw in a couple ‘mavericks(minus the winks), mention the name of his side kick a couple of times, but Obama will be out on substance.
Hope someone brings up his sleeze attack swiftboat campaign style.
Paul – so now we ahve heard the McCain campaign’s claims about ACORN’s involvement with unions and the Democratic Party.
How do you become a member? They kind of sound like progressives.
Some of us blogged here during the last debate and those watching coverage that showed an audience reaction graph all commented on negativity being just that — a negative. The graph always took a marked downward trend when the debate turned negative. This increased negativity will reflect more poorly on McCain than his intended target. America watched when these same tactics were used against McCain in 2000, we learned some things from the last two Rovian presidential campaigns. Too bad that McCain only seems to have learned how to use the same tactics used against him.
A strategic question:
Will all this mud-slinging convince people to abandon Obama? Or just piss them off enough to really make sure they vote?
Monkey
You keep bringing up the 44% issue.
I do not know how much Arab heritage, Obama has, for sure.
But, EACH of Obama’s 3 names is Arabic, not African.
I have made the point that Obama almost certainly had Arab slave-traders in his past, and that Obama has absolutely NO American slaves in his family tree.
I have also made the point that Obama will NOT be the first Black President of the United States, if elected.
There have been 5 other Presidents with Black heritage. They just kept it quiet!
linda – thanks for answering me – even before I got it posted!
I think Franklin could extort money from the party (Repub), by threatening to post! They’d probably pay Reg,and Ok too!
We don’t just multi-task, we do it quickly! ;-)
It might have a spillover, disgust factor, to Roberts’ campaign.
“Housing provides one-on-one mortgage loan counseling, first-time homebuyer classes, and helps clients obtain affordable mortgages through our unique lending partnerships.
We look at your savings and credit history to see if you qualify for a mortgage. We can help you with credit problems and to create a downpayment savings plan.
When you qualify, we can help arrange a mortgage with lower interest rates, lower down payments and lower settlement costs than what banks usually offer.”
There is a local agency here in Wichita that does much the same thing. One of their big requirements is the homeowners classes – they want to make sure people are well prepared to take on the responsibilities of homeownership. I will likely be helping a prospective first-time home buyer through that process.
I guess that makes ME a criminal now.
Yes, ACORN does pro union and pro Democrat work.
This is WRONG, if ACORN wishes to keep its tax exempt status.
This is WRONG, if ACORN wishes to receive government funding.
Obama seems to have a lot of snakes in the closet, sure don’t want him to get elected and find out he is not even a citizen.
Acorn sounds like the Menonites!
Damn Menonite housing program!
Pall,
” have made the point that Obama almost certainly had Arab slave-traders in his past, and that Obama has absolutely NO American slaves in his family tree.”
So? I’m quite sure that if we examined your family tree, we’d find a few horse thieves and insurance salesmen among them.
No wonder McCain fears talking about the economy:
Poll: 60% say depression ‘likely’
Poll finds 6 of 10 believe a depression is somewhat or very likely – seeing 25% unemployed and millions homeless and hungry.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/06/news/economy/depression_poll/index.htm?postversion=2008100616
Negative campaigning has its price ben.
The mud thrown has to do more damage than the dirt it leaves on the throwers hands.
The mud McCain has comes from people like Sean Hannity and Franklin. That says a lot.
My take is McCain comes off as looking desperate. SUDDENLY these things he is throwing are issues? They’ve only been floating in the toilet for months. SO McCain is either highly incurious or reaching for anything he can.
My suspicion is to the latter.
The “Town Hall” format raises McCoot’s expectations. It’s supposed to be his wheelhouse but all of his town halls so far have been campaign stunts with planted questions… and he still sang “Bomb! Bomb! Bomb! Bomb bomb Iran!” off the cuff.
McCodger is gonna show up in that drab black suit that looks like get got it at the “Dragnet” going-out-of-business sale. And a young, taller guy with more hair is likely to take off his jacket and go face-to-face with an audience member (he might even sit on the stage!) and the Fred Mertz look-alike will toddle around the place like he needs a walker.
(side note: does anyone actually play tennis anymore? Seems like the only tennis balls I see are cut up and on the bottom of old folks’ walkers.) But I digress…
“I’m quite sure that if we examined your family tree,”
On my father’s side they seem to be about half horse thieves (and/or lawyers) and half preachers!
:)
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bth
Posted October 6, 2008 at 4:22 pm | Permalink
“Housing provides one-on-one mortgage loan counseling, first-time homebuyer classes, and helps clients obtain affordable mortgages through our unique lending partnerships.
We look at your savings and credit history to see if you qualify for a mortgage. We can help you with credit problems and to create a downpayment savings plan.
When you qualify, we can help arrange a mortgage with lower interest rates, lower down payments and lower settlement costs than what banks usually offer.”
There is a local agency here in Wichita that does much the same thing. One of their big requirements is the homeowners classes – they want to make sure people are well prepared to take on the responsibilities of homeownership. I will likely be helping a prospective first-time home buyer through that process.
I guess that makes ME a criminal now.
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Yes, you would be a criminal if the Federal Government gave the Credit Union funds and that Credit Union in turn, funded a far left voter group to go out and only register Democratic Voters.
Talk about denial Ben, you hate the truth when you see it and can’t stand duh Dems have been caught red-handed and flat-footed on the biggest scandal in this nation’s history and using government funds to do it.
How many times will mccain refer to or allude to POW?
My guess is two.
Phantom
Posted October 6, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink
How many times will mccain refer to or allude to POW?
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Just as many times as Obama stutters or says, “This notion that….”
Ben
I hear that BTK was nice to dogs.
He was still BTK.
irregular – the second (and most important) part of your claim has not been established.
Churches sponsor voter registration drives – that does not automatically make them criminal.
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bth
Posted October 6, 2008 at 4:33 pm | Permalink
irregular – the second (and most important) part of your claim has not been established.
Churches sponsor voter registration drives – that does not automatically make them criminal.
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It would be if they received diverted government or campaign funds.
Having problems handling the ugly truth about Dems Ben?
Hey check your mailbox today Phantom.
Town hall could work against McCain. IF he gets the right question.
McCain has a thin skin if he thinks he is being insulted.
No problems at all with your allegations.
It would be if they received diverted government or campaign funds.
Having problems handling the ugly truth about Dems Ben?
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Ben, I would recommend hosing all the sh*t off of them(Dems) first, then you can get a superior grasp.
“McCain has a thin skin if he thinks he is being insulted.”
THAT could be fun!
Make fun of Obama’s ears and see what happens…
Linda – I agree that all this negativity will just backfire on McCain. Too many American people are hurting right now with the economy and to see where some old man, who married money and owns 7 or 8(?) houses has nothing else to do than smear Obama in the last 30 days, is not going to do McCain any favors.
I also agree with bth that all these smear attacks will likely just make people mad and be sure to register to vote and then be sure to get to the polls to vote. People are tired of being pushed around and they are fighting back. I would not be surprised if the young people come out in strong numbers for Obama. If this happens, McCain is toast.
Obama is going down. :D
And now we resort to making fun of ears? This really is a desperate bunch of Republicans.
Besides, I heard Obama on a talk show referring to his big ears and he showed no signs of a temper. Unlike McCain who is famous for his temper and nasty remarks to people he deems unworthy.
Obama is going down to get a new suit for Inauguration Day – is that what you meant Regular?
Did everyone see that editor meeting McCain was in?
They pointed out to him that some conservatives were having second thoughts about Palin and McCain just BARELY kept from erupting.
If there is no good news for McCain in the next 24 hours, he is set up for detonation. IF Obama or some audience member hits the right button.
mom
Posted October 6, 2008 at 4:41 pm | Permalink
And now we resort to making fun of ears? This really is a desperate bunch of Republicans.
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You mean like making fun of Palin as a hunter, a bad mother because she is running, making fun of her hair, and her voice? Like that mom?
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mom
Posted October 6, 2008 at 4:42 pm | Permalink
Obama is going down to get a new suit for Inauguration Day – is that what you meant Regular?
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Yeah, new clothes…
In fact, Sarah Palin may be just the button that could set McCain off.
“Senator McCain? There are many, even in your own party, who feel that your first important decision in picking Sarah Palin was a mistake. Are you at all defensive about that particularly in light of the fact that her performance in the debate gave your campaign no bounce?
“Franklin” enlightens the conversation with –
“There have been 5 other Presidents with Black heritage.”
I didn’t know that.
For that matter I don’t know any rational human being for whom that tidbit of information would consider relevant or significant. Unless you’re a practicing racist.
And your “44% Arab” rants are nothing but racism.
About the only way to deal with your posts down on your level would be a Tourette’s-on-acid series of rants that McCain is 44% Scottish and Scotsmen wear skirts with no underwear and who wants a President of the United States in a skirt and no underwear?!
Credibility is no longer a viable option when reading your stuff, “Franklin.” We’re down to questions of plausibility.
“Barack” is also a Jewish name, btw.
But his wife, “Michelle,” has a FRENCH-sounding name. Go at it, “Franklin.”
And forget that “John” means a toilet and/or a customer of a prostitute.
MonkeyHock means MonkeySpit or hacked up boogers
I see why your radio show failed, Monkeyhawk.
Peace out.
Proper credit to the poster who put this on the open.
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mxyzptlk
Posted October 6, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
NASHVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) — A new national poll suggests Barack Obama is widening his lead over John McCain in the race for the White House.
Sen. Barack Obama leads Sen. John McCain by 8 points, according to CNN’s latest poll.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out Monday afternoon suggests that the country’s financial crisis, record low approval ratings for President Bush and a drop in the public’s perception of McCain’s running mate could be contributing to Obama’s gains.
Fifty-three percent of likely voters questioned in the poll say they are backing Obama for president, with 45 percent supporting McCain.
That 8-point lead is double the 4-point lead Obama held in the last CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, taken in mid-September.
It never rains but it pours.
McCain is in a tough spot. His last chance is to go on the nasty. But he can’t do that in tomorrow’s debate unless someone asks a question that opens that door for him.
ANTI
Posted October 6, 2008 at 4:37 pm | Permalink
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Ben, I would recommend hosing all the sh*t off of them(Dems) first, then you can get a superior grasp.”
You mean all that stuff being hurled by McCain and his shills?
Do you have any idea how stupid this whole thing is? In a small town in Texas, during an election for city mayor, one running individual called the other running individual a damn heterosexual. Guess who won the election. It sure wasn’t that damn heterosexual.
What this whole smear campaign is all about is the McCain camp hoping the average American is too stupid to figure out the real truth. That’s what the Kerry swiftboating was all about. If you tell a lie enough times, people start believing it. Just ask a certain wash, rinse, repeater.
In Pennsylvania, Obama helped register 400,000 + new Democratic voters while the Republicans LOST 38,000 voters.
Hear that rumbling in the distance?
Mccain getting really desperate, trying to paint Obama as ‘the angry black man’ that’s getting preferential treatment! Desperately wanting to change the conversation from what’s ailing the country, oblivious to the fact that it’s his kind of politicking that led to where we currently are!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081006/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_19
I thought the rumbling was the thunder, but it might be Americans shouting in unison ‘we’re mad as hell…”
Monkey
My posts have never been racist.
I have a sincere desire to understand Obama, and what makes him tick, just as I do any political figure.
Obama was not “Black enough” in OBAMA’s Own eyes, and he overcompensated for this fact by hanging around with radical Blacks like Pastor Wright.
Obama talks far more, about race, than I do.
Read his darn books, Monkey.
Some think it is historic that Obama will the “first” American President with Black heritage.
This is FALSE. However, the other “Black Presidents” hid their heritage.
It was a Black Phd that did this study, is HE “racist”?:
http://www.computerhealth.org/ebook/5blkpres.htm
Well the ‘crats forfeited the high ground on the mudslinging with their Sarah Palin crapola.
Any complaints about Obama getting a little thrown his way is hypocritical.
Stay on offense McCain.
outlander,
And how does being Gov of Alaska enhance a persons foreign-policy credentials?
I warned about attacking Palin’s lacking of experience would backfire on the Obama campaign. I now warn about the increasing attacks on Obama about associations in his pass. This is far more dangerous to the McCain campaign, by shining on loose association of people that Obama has met through his political and personal life. McCain has far more to list then Obama simply because of his long career in politics.
Kenning is a good example, McCain had a far closer relationship with Kenning than Obama had with Ayres.
Palin had her own preacher that is out there as far as Wright in a different direction but just as damning as Wright. Does the McCain campaign really want to go tit for tat on that level?
Cosmos, do you wear a raincoat when you ride your little green moped with the front basket in the rain? How about goggles?
Cosmos, I think you must of busted Regular on the link issue, he has not come back to that point.
Because if this statement of his were true – “the information is from bonafide websites and investigator bloggers and reporters.” He could very easily link to it, but he doesn’t. What does that say? Come to your own conclusion…
Even if McCain was not convicted of any crimes, that does not mean that did commit any. This link provided by MH way up thread is worth repeating. It is thirteen + minutes, but it carefully points out that his judgement on financial matters related to those our country is currently facing is quite poor.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/keatingvideo
McCain even admitted the involvement with Keating was a mistake. That’s what I like about McCain, he admits his mistakes and then keeps repeating.
“Even Jesus cannot help a man who is unwilling to atone…” Angry Johnny
…repeating *them*.
Please quote something Obama or Biden said to “smear” Governor Palin.
I cannot think of one thing. They are not slinging the mud.
Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that families are off-limits in the campaign for president, reacting to news that GOP running mate Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.
“Let me be as clear as possible,” Obama said. “I think people’s families are off-limits, and people’s children are especially off-limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.”
outlander,
Thank your for your answer(sic) re being Gov of Alaska enhancing FP credentials.
We were betting that you’d post something stupid about a scooter again, and you did. We thank you for the LOL’s!.
Speaking to a group of factory workers at a hydropower equipment plant, Obama refused to address Gov. Sarah Palin’s mocking assessment of his background and political rise. When a member of the audience asked him to weigh in on the resume issue, Obama responded, “I’ll let Governor Palin talk about her experience, I’ll talk about mine.”
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has congratulated Alaska Governor Sarah Palin on her selection as John McCain’s running mate, while his campaign highlighted her “zero” foreign policy experience.
Senator Obama called Governor Palin from his campaign bus on Friday afternoon (local time) and spoke with her for “several minutes,” campaign spokesman Robert Gibbs said.
“He told her she would be a terrific candidate and that he looked forward to seeing her on the campaign trail. He also wished her good luck, but not too much luck,” Mr Gibbs said.
Make fun of Obama’s ears and see what happens…
Point out that McCain’s getting a little thin on top and see what happens…
Obama on the teen pregancy:
“You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics.”
On charges that his campaign has stoked the story via liberal blogs:
“I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us,” he said. “Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired.”
Barack Obama responded personally to Sarah Palin’s harsh speech at the Republican National Convention in York, Pennsylvania. “You’re hearing an awful lot about me, most of which is not true,” he said. “What you’re not hearing is a lot about you.” His full remarks:
“You wouldn’t know that this is such a critical election by watching the convention last night…. You’re hearing an awful lot about me, most of which is not true. What you’re not hearing is a lot about you.”
Actually it seems that Sarah Palin attacks herself. The more Americans learn about her, the less they think that she’s qualified.
The only way to fix that, is for McCain to not have selected her.
The scathing description of Sarah Palin, from Obama spokesman Bill Burton, comes as Democrats scramble to gather a response to a selection that nobody in the political world expected.
“Governor Palin shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush’s failed economic policies — that’s not the change we need, it’s just more of the same,” added Burton.
Nope. I am Google – ing “Obama on Palin” no smears found yet. -db
Steven,
Regular’s bogus post is pretty obvious.
He added a bogus headline (in bold) to 5 paragraphs from the Pitts. Tribune, then added 2 more fictional paragraphs, and some other false attacks.
In Pennsylvania, Obama helped register 400,000 + new Democratic voters while the Republicans LOST 38,000 voters.
As a supporter of Senator Clinton who helped keep the primary process going and people interested and registering…you’re welcome.
The news grows worse by the hour for team McCain.
Colorado may well be gone. Missouri is quite close and moving Obama.
North Carolina is dead even.
Senator Obama is able to outspend McCain 2 to 1 in all these places.
Nope.. I will not list the smears McCain and Palin have made. You will enough of them in the next two weeks.
Re: Regular’s bogus posts
The easiest solution is to just assume that ALL of Regular’s posts are bogus.
MCCain is using some of the lies he used in the debate, plus some new ones.
‘Drilling Down on the Facts in McCain’s Speech’
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/06/drilling-down-on-the-facts-in-mccains-speech/
Since Gov Palin is now quoting the New York Times.. ya think she will quote that, too?
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/06/drilling-down-on-the-facts-in-mccains-speech/
Sarah Palin seems to only quote headlines, and misquote coffee cups.
The Joyce Foundation years.
Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment
Talk about a smoking gun…
October 6, 2008 – by David T. Hardy
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As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he remains strangely silent about his eight years (1994-2002) as a director of the Joyce Foundation, a billion dollar tax-exempt organization. He has one obvious reason: during his time as director, Joyce Foundation spent millions creating and supporting anti-gun organizations.
There is another, less known, reason.
During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program targeting the Supreme Court. The work began five years into Obama’s directorship, when the Foundation had experience in turning its millions into anti-gun “grassroots” organizations, but none at converting cash into legal scholarship.
The plan’s objective was bold: the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment.
Joyce’s directors found a vulnerable point. When judges cannot rely upon past decisions, they sometimes turn to law review articles. Law reviews are impartial, and famed for meticulous cite-checking. They are also produced on a shoestring. Authors of articles receive no compensation; editors are law students who work for a tiny stipend.
In 1999, midway through Obama’s tenure, the Joyce board voted to grant the Chicago-Kent Law Review $84,000, a staggering sum by law review standards. The Review promptly published an issue in which all articles attacked the individual right view of the Second Amendment.
In a breach of law review custom, Chicago-Kent let an “outsider” serve as editor; he was Carl Bogus, a faculty member of a different law school. Bogus had a unique distinction: he had been a director of Handgun Control Inc. (today’s Brady Campaign), and was on the advisory board of the Joyce-funded Violence Policy Center.
Bogus solicited only articles hostile to the individual right view of the Second Amendment, offering authors $5,000 each. But word leaked out, and Prof. Randy Barnett of Boston University volunteered to write in defense of the individual right to arms. Bogus refused to allow him to write for the review, later explaining that “sometimes a more balanced debate is best served by an unbalanced symposium.” Prof. James Lindgren, a former Chicago-Kent faculty member, remembers that when Barnett sought an explanation he “was given conflicting reasons, but the opposition of the Joyce Foundation was one that surfaced at some time.” Joyce had bought a veto power over the review’s content.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-attempt-to-destroy-the-second-amendment/
Joyce Foundation apparently believed it held this power over the entire university. Glenn Reynolds later recalled that when he and two other professors were scheduled to discuss the Second Amendment on campus, Joyce’s staffers “objected strenuously” to their being allowed to speak, protesting that Joyce Foundation was being cheated by an “‘agenda of balance’ that was inconsistent with the Symposium’s purpose.” Joyce next bought up an issue of Fordham Law Review.
The plan worked smoothly. One court, in the course of ruling that there was no individual right to arms, cited the Chicago-Kent articles eight times. Then, in 2001, a federal Court of Appeals in Texas determined that the Second Amendment was an individual right.
The Joyce Foundation board (which still included Obama) responded by expanding its attack on the Second Amendment. Its next move came when Ohio State University announced it was establishing the “Second Amendment Research Center” as a thinktank headed by anti-individual-right historian Saul Cornell. Joyce put up no less than $400,000 to bankroll its creation. The grant was awarded at the board’s December 2002 meeting, Obama’s last function as a Joyce director. In reporting the grant, the OSU magazine Making History made clear that the purpose was to influence a future Supreme Court case:
“The effort is timely: a series of test cases – based on a new wave of scholarship, a recent decision by a federal Court of Appeals in Texas, and a revised Justice Department policy-are working their way through the courts. The litigants challenge the courts’ traditional reading of the Second Amendment as a protection of the states’ right to organize militia, asserting that the Amendment confers a much broader right for individuals to own guns. The United States Supreme Court is likely to resolve the debate within the next three to five years.”
(45:17-18; online link; slow).
The Center proceeded to generate articles denying the individual right to arms. The OSU connection also gave Joyce an academic money laundry. When it decided to buy an issue of the Stanford Law and Policy Review, it had a cover. Joyce handed OSU $125,000 for that purpose; all the law review editors knew was that OSU’s Foundation granted them that breathtaking sum, and a helpful Prof. Cornell volunteered to organize the issue. (The review was later sufficiently embarassed to publish an open letter on the affair).
The Joyce directorate’s plan almost succeeded. The individual rights view won out in the Heller Supreme Court appeal, but only by 5-4. The four dissenters were persuaded in part by Joyce-funded writings, down to relying on an article which misled them on critical historical documents.
Having lost that fight, Obama now claims he always held the individual rights view of the Second Amendment, and that he “respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms.” But as a Joyce director, Obama was involved in a wealthy foundation’s attempt to manipulate the Supreme Court, buy legal scholarship, and obliterate the individual right to arms.
Voters who value the Constitution should ask whether someone who was party to that plan should be nominating future Supreme Court justices.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-attempt-to-destroy-the-second-amendment/2/
So we’re back to guns again, are we?
Just post a link, Heckler.
The Relationship Between Barack Obama And Bill Ayers Is Much More Extensive Than Obama’s Campaign Is Willing To Admit
Obama’s Top Campaign Staff Have Attempted To Downplay The Relationship Between Obama And Bill Ayers:
Obama Spokesman Robert Gibbs Said That Obama And Ayers Weren’t Close And That Obama Was Only 8 Years Old When Ayers Was Bombing Buildings. Robert Gibbs: “If you read the article … it says these two men weren’t close, this man isn’t involved in our campaign. Bill Ayers is somebody that Barack Obama said his actions were despicable and these happened when Barack Obama was 8 years old.” (FOX News’ “FOX & Friends,” 10/6/08)
Gibbs Has Also Limited The Relationship Between Obama And Ayers To Serving On Two Boards Together. John Roberts: “Barack Obama knew Bill Ayers and had contact with him between 1995 and 2005. Exactly what was the nature of the relationship?” Robert Gibbs: “Well, John, as The New York Times reported this weekend, they served on two boards together during that time period.” (CNN’s “American Morning,” 10/6/08)
Even Obama Has Previously Referred To Ayers As “A Guy Who Lives In My Neighborhood” And Not Someone He Exchanges Ideas With “On A Regular Basis.” Obama: “George, but this is an example of what I’m talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George.” (Sen. Barack Obama, ABC Democrat Candidates Presidential Debate, Philadelphia, PA, 4/16/08)
But Obama’s Connections With Bill Ayers Are Much More Extensive Than He Or His Campaign Staff Is Willing To Admit:
In 1995, During Obama’s First State Senate Campaign, William Ayers And Wife Bernadine Dohrn Hosted A Meeting Of Chicago Liberals At Their Home For Obama, Which One Attendee Said Was Aimed At “Launching Him.” “In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement. … ‘I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,’ said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the info rmal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. ‘[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.’ … Dr. Young and another guest, Maria Warren, described it similarly: as an introduction to Hyde Park liberals of the handpicked successor to Palmer, a well-regarded figure on the left. ‘When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,’ Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. ‘They were launching him — introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.’” (Ben Smith, “Obama Once Visited ’60s Radicals,” The Politico, 1/22/08)
From March Of 1995 Until September Of 1997, Obama And Ayers Attended At Least Seven Meetings Together Relating To The Chicago Annenberg Challenge. (Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Board Of Directors Meeting, Minutes Of The Board, 3/15/95, 3/31/95, 4/13/95, 6/5/95, 9/30/97; National Annenberg Challenge Evaluation Meeting, List Of Participants, 5/24/95; Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Chicago School Reform Collaborative Meeting, Minutes, 10/23/96)
* NOTE: Bill Ayers Was Asked To Help Obama Formulate The Chicago Annenberg Challenge By-Laws. (Chicago Annenberg Challenge Board Of Directors Minutes, 3/15/95)
In 1997, Obama Praised Ayers’ Book On The Juvenile Justice System. “The two men were involved in efforts to reform the city’s education system. They appeared together on academic panels, including one organized by Michelle Obama to discuss the juvenile justice system, an area of mutual concern. Mr. Ayers’s book on the subject won a rave review in The Chicago Tribune by Mr. Obama, who called it ‘a searing and timely account.’” (Jo Becker and Christopher Drew, “Pragmatic Politics, Forged On The South Side,” The New York Times, 5/11/08)
* Obama On William Ayers’ “A Kind And Just Parent: The Children Of Juvenile Court”: “A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.” (Chicago Tribune, 12/21/97)
“[Obama And Ayers] Have Also Appeared Jointly On Two Academic Panels, One In 1997 And Another In 2001.” (Russell Berman, “Obama’s Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny,” The New York Sun, 2/19/08)
From 1999 To 2002, Obama Served With Ayers On The Board Of Directors For Woods Fund Of Chicago. “[Ayers] served with [Obama] from 1999 to 2002 on the board of the Woods Fund, an anti-poverty group.” (Timothy J. Burger, “Obama’s Chicago Ties Might Fuel ‘Republican Attack Machine’,” Bloomberg, 2/15/08)
* During The Time Obama And Ayers Served Together On The Woods Fund, Ayers Was Quoted Saying “I Don’t Regret Setting Bombs … I Feel We Didn’t Do Enough.” “‘I don’t regret setting bombs,’ Bill Ayers said. ‘I feel we didn’t do enough.’ Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970’s as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago.” (Dinitia Smith, “No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives,” The New York Times, 9/11/01)
* NOTE: Obama, Born August 14th, 1961, Was 40 Years Old When Ayers Was Quoted. (Obama For America Website, http://www.barackobama.com, Accessed 10/6/08; Dinitia Smith, “No Regrets For A Love Of Explosives,” The New York Times, 9/11/01)
* While Obama And Ayers Were Serving On The Woods Fund Together, Ayers Posed Standing On An American Flag For An Article In Chicago Magazine Entitled “No Regrets.” (Marcia Froelke Coburn, “No Regrets,” Chicago Magazine, 8/01)
Obama And Ayers Are Neighbors In Chicago’s Hyde Park Neighborhood. “Twenty-six years later, at a lunchtime meeting about school reform in a Chicago skyscraper, Barack Obama met Mr. Ayers, by then an education professor. Their paths have crossed sporadically since then, at a coffee Mr. Ayers hosted for Mr. Obama’s first run for office, on the schools project and a charitable board, and in casual encounters as Hyde Park neighbors.” (Scott Shane, “Obama And ’60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths,” The New York Times, 10/4/08)
* Obama Spokesman Ben LaBolt Told The New York Times That Last Year Obama And Ayers “Bumped Into Each Other On The Street In Hyde Park.” “[Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt] said they have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Mr. Obama began serving in the United States Senate in January 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they bumped into each other on the street in Hyde Park.” (Scott Shane, “Obama And ’60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths,” The New York Times, 10/4/08)
* Neighbors Have Said “It’s Only Natural” That Obama Would Know Ayers, Who Often Opens His Home For Gatherings, As Obama And His Wife “Are A Part Of Our Neighborhood And Part Of Our Social Circle.” “Since coming out of hiding in 1980, the couple have raised three boys in Chicago and become part of the fabric of their liberal South Side neighborhood. Neighbors said it’s only natural that Obama would know Ayers and Dohrn, who often open their homes for gatherings filled with lively discussions about politics, arts and social issues. Obama and his wife ‘are part of our neighborhood and part of our social circle,’ said Elizabeth Chandler, a neighbor of Ayers’.” (Trevor Jensen, Robert Mitchum and Mary Owen, “Bill Ayers’ Turbulent Past Contrasts With Quiet Academ ic Life,” Chicago Tribune, 4/17/08)
Ayers’ Organization, The Weather Underground, Was A “Violent Left-Wing Activist Group”:
“William Ayers … [Was] A Founding Member Of The Group That Bombed The U.S. Capitol And The Pentagon During The 1970s.” (Russell Berman, “Obama’s Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny,” The New York Sun, 2/19/08)
* Ayers’ Group, The Weather Underground, Is A “Violent Left-Wing Activist Group.” “Senator Obama’s ties to a former leader of the violent left-wing activist group the Weather Underground are drawing new scrutiny as he battles Senator Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.” (Russell Berman, “Obama’s Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny,” The New York Sun, 2/19/08)
The Weather Underground Produced A Manual Which Begins, “We Are A Guerrilla Organization. We Are Communist Women And Men, Underground In The United States For More Than Four Years.” “The coalition was said to be a violence-prone faction inspired by the Weather Underground’s ”Prairie Fire,” a guerrilla warfare manual published in 1974. The manual begins, ‘We are a guerrilla organization. We are Communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years.’” (Paul L. Montgomery, “2 Women In Brink’s Case Identified With Weathermen From Start In ‘69,” The New York Times, 10/ 22/81)
Obama is the annointed One. He is the second coming and he will finally put the black minority in the position of power they so rightfully deserve and have longed for.
When he is sitting on the right hand of God, he will change things. Change things. Change things.
Blacks will not make up the largest segment in our nations prisons. Blacks will no longer have more unwed mothers than all other races combined. Blacks will no longer murder blacks and their reputation for murder will be over. Blacks will no longer have the highest crime rate, lowest test scores, highest aids rates, and highest drop out rates. Blacks will no longer be held back by whitee and they will be able to afford the subprime loans and will not default on them in such great numbers. Blacks will move out of the urban areas of our nations largest cities and repopulate their rightful place in suburbia. The Black Entertainment Network, and Black History Month, and the Black Causus in Congress will no longer be required. And it is high time America pay the black Americans a special check for having kept the blacks as slaves.
It is time for the annoited One. The world will write special songs in His honor. Not since Lincoln has our nation seen such historic times.
The issues are secondary to the overall plan to have the first black man installed in office. Let’s focus on the good which will come from having our first black president, and not get caught up in the campaign issues.
Still no connection except for serving on a few public interest boards and attending a coffee… pfft!
Ayers is running for what office? He was convicted of what?
It’s not like they hung out in the Bahamas together.. .
Predestined
Back to guns? No, back to the Constitution and the efforts Obama has been involved in to subvert it.
Get used to it David.
They are gonna wallpaper that crap everywhere as McCain continues to sink. We’ll also get the race stuff like the aptly named roach posted.
The dirtiest elements of the Republican party will shed much glare and noise as they convulse in impending defeat.
Hank,
Your stupid, long copy/pastes are wearing out everybodys scroll wheel.
‘Thirty Lies Refuted About Ayers And Obama‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/30-lies-refuted-about-aye_b_132109.html
HLPs cut and paste is straight from http://www.gop.com
Notice the incriminating paragraph:
“Senator Obama’s ties to a former leader of the violent left-wing activist group the Weather Underground are drawing new scrutiny as he battles Senator Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.”
Oh under scrutiny!!!
and:
“[Obama And Ayers] Have Also Appeared Jointly On Two Academic Panels, One In 1997 And Another In 2001.”
Oh dear!! On a university PANEL together!!
Most all of the points are indicative of nothing except that Obama has been serving the public interest in the Chicago area for a long long time! Phony phony phony.
Would HLP please provide a link to show where William Ayers was ever convicted of ANY crime? .
Its quiet at the HLP household. Hear the crickets? Found that link HLP?
The Weather Underground feared they were marked for assassination after the Chicago police burst in and shot Black Panther leaders who were asleep bed.
Of course some in the Nixon White House were thinking about plans to kidnap and disappear anti-war leaders (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO )
It was an ugly time all around.
They claimed to have used home-made bombs to destroy government property after giving authorities time to clear the buildings.
Senator Obama was a little boy at the time.
mxyaptlk,
It is with the link to show where Bin Laden was convicted of a crime.
Predestined,
Everytime the liberals take control over a city, state, the Congress…etc… we are back to more gun rights being taken away.
If the liberals would stop trying to further restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights, we would stop talking about it so much.
Maybe Hank is busy looking for his ‘14 Lies’ copy/paste link?
LOL!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/bidens-fantasy-world/#comment-441169
Cosmos, how big a brick do you use in your toilet?
DavidB,
So what if Obama was a little boy at the time?
I was not even born when he started his killings, but you don’t see me going to prison hanging out with him on the weekends.
We do not know where bin Laden is. Ayers is in Hyde Park, Illinos
On 16 March 1998, Libya issued the first official international Interpol arrest warrant against Bin Laden and three other people for killing two German citizens in Libya on 10 March 1994, one of which is thought to have been a German counter-intelligence officer. Bin Laden is still wanted by the Libyan government.
On 8 June 1998, a United States grand jury indicted Osama bin Laden on charges of killing five Americans and two Indians in the 13 November 1995, truck bombing of a US-operated Saudi National Guard training center in Riyadh.
On 4 November 1998, Osama bin Laden was indicted by a Federal Grand Jury in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, on charges of Murder … for his alleged role in the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.
Should have said, was not even born when Charles Manson started his killings
Who is hanging out with whom? You see.. that is the lie they are telling. There is no “hanging out!” heehee There IS an economic meltdown threatening a world-wide depression.
“Mayor Daley vouched for William Ayers on Thursday, praising the educator–and former radical– for his work on Chicago public school reform programs and sending a strong message of reassurance to voters who may be worried about Ayers association with Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), which is a non-stop topic lately on Fox News.”
“There are a lot of reasons that Americans are angry about Washington politics. And one more example is the way Senator Obama’s opponents are playing guilt-by-association, tarring him because he happens to know Bill Ayers.
I also know Bill Ayers. He worked with me in shaping our now nationally-renowned school reform program. He is a nationally-recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois/Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.
I don’t condone what he did 40 years ago but I remember that period well. It was a difficult time, but those days are long over. I believe we have too many challenges in Chicago and our country to keep re-fighting 40 year old battles.”
blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/04/mayor_daley_defends_obama_vouc.html
In 1970 he “went underground” with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers’ close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers’ girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded. Kathy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson survived the blast. Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him.[2]Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and The Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days. Because of a water leak caused by the Pentagon bombing, aerial bombardments during the Vietnam War had to be halted for several days. Ayers writes:
Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy – weighing close to two pounds – it caused ‘tens of thousands of dollars’ of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt. [13]
While underground, he and fellow member Bernardine Dohrn married, and the two remained fugitives together, changing identities, jobs and locations. By 1976 or 1977, with federal charges against both fugitives dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct (see COINTELPRO), Ayers was ready to turn himself in to authorities, but Dohrn remained reluctant until after she gave birth to two sons, one born in 1977, the other in 1980. “He was sweet and patient, as he always is, to let me come to my senses on my own”, she later said.[2] The couple turned themselves in to authorities in 1980. Ayers and Dohrn later became legal guardians to the son of former Weathermen David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin after the boy’s parents were convicted and sent to prison for their part in the Brinks Robbery of 1981.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Fugitive_Days:_A_Memoir
I am just really disappointed to see McCain, who promised an honorable, elevated political campaign, has broken that promise and is trying to drag Senator Obama down into the mud.
Americans deserve better than that.
DavidB,
Yeah, those days where Charles Manson killed people are long over. I am so tired of rehashing what he did. Let the past be the past.
Lets move on, let him go, so that we can all be friends with him and hang out on the weekends.
Yep, all true about Bill Ayers. UNTRUE what the McCain campaign is implying..
DavidB,
No, McCain is pointing out that Obama hangs out with scum who are in the mud.
Of course you are disappointed, because the truth is being told about your radical left wing liberal cnadidate from Chicago.
No, I think Charles Manson is where he belongs… he was indicted, tried and convicted. Like McCain’s old buddy, Charles Keating!
…but that is very generous of you, though. If I ever pal around with Manson, I will send him your regards……
Sigh.. another water-carrier for the liars. End of conversation.
I’ve heard of some Marines abusing Iraqi citizens, everything from rape to murder…you’re a Marine, Nathan…so you must be like them.
“Everytime the liberals take control over a city, state, the Congress…etc… we are back to more gun rights being taken away.
If the liberals would stop trying to further restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights, we would stop talking about it so much.”
Oh CRY me a river….BOO HOO HOO
Nathaniel posted October 6, 2008 at 8:33 pm
No, McCain is pointing out that Obama hangs out with scum who are in the mud.
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Obama does not “hang out” with Ayers — but many other people, such as profs, students, etc. do.
Mary,
You can’t even get a good comparison right.
Now, if I was actually around those Marines after the fact and serving with them on a board and accepting donations from them and a get together hosted by them… well, now you have a comparison.
Mary,
The point is that there are liberals here who claim that no one wants to restrict our rights and then there are those liberals taht claim we are “obsessed” for talking about gun rights.
Then there are liberals like you who come along to prove them all wrong.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 6, 2008 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
I’ve heard of some Marines abusing Iraqi citizens, everything from rape to murder…you’re a Marine, Nathan…so you must be like them.
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Wow Mary, you’ll say anything for political ideology.
And your neighbors with his father.
When I find someone has no ears, I don’t talk to them any more. It is a waste of time and a spirit-depleting experience
DavidB,
I simply see bad logic and reply with equally bad logic in an effort to show the absurdity of the argument.
I don’t give a rat’s ass if you have a gun or not, Nathan. You’re OBSESSED with guns and you know it.
It’s been a strange ride, watching this once upon a time respected Senator conduct a series of botched fake punts and broken plays.
First, the fundamentals of our economy were sound. Then, two hours later, McCain must have had his shot of mocha.
Holy cow! Fix it! Call Gramm! Convene a committee! Call Letterman! Suspend my campaign!
Today? Ho hum.
In fact, screw the economy. Yeah, we know the markets tanked again, but see, the Governor had her moose chili and I had my pre-debate, before the pre-debate tranquilizer, so if you’ll just turn your attention to the chalkboard, I’d like to address the subject of character.
You see, my fellow Americans…it’s just that I’m the…well…veritable soul of stability.
I’m John McCain, and someone said that I approved these messages.
Wait! I’m a P.O.W.! Get Lieberman!
Okay, that settles it for me. Sure, this guy is intelligent, well-educated, eloquent, and cares passionately about issues like improving educationeliminating poverty. And I see no evidence that he’s done anything particularly radical or improper in recent years, but the evidence is clear: the man has a shady, radical, indefensible past, and I want to thank the resident conservatives for opening my eyes.
I am sorry, fellow liberals, but I cannot and will not support that man for president!
Oh wait. . .Bill Ayers isn’t running for president, is he? Sorry, I got confused for a moment.
Never mind! sarcasmOFF
All that McCain/Palin can do now is sling mud.
McCain failed on the issues.
McCain failed when he picked Palin for VP.
McCain failed when he tried to weasel out of the first debate.
Obama is increasing his lead over McCain — and McCain has nothing left but desperation, and false smears.
Mary,
If I am OBSESSED with guns then you are OBSESSED with restricting gun rights. And you know it.
The simple fact is that saying I am “obseesed” is nothing more than a characterization of me. Basically an ad hominem.
I enjoy collecting guns, fixing them, practicing marksmanship, and teaching about them to others.
Then some liberal like you tells me I am obsessed.
No Reg, I’m just illustrating how ridiculous it is to judge one person by another person’s behavior. We have no control over what others do or how they choose to behave..and people make all kinds of mistakes, especially when they’re young and stupid.
Don’t you think people can be redeemed? Or is it that once you screw up, there should never be forgiveness? How does that fit in with your and Nathan’s Christian values?
Idiots.
It’s been a strange ride, watching this once upon a time respected Senator conduct a series of botched fake punts and broken plays.
McCain should have realized he signed his political death-warrant when he joined forces with the same people who gave us George Bush. But maybe he saw that as the only way to win the nomination.
One pundit pointed out a weird irony: McCain stood up to Bush in 2000, when it turned out to be political suicide to do so. Then he embraced the man while his approval rating was dropping faster than the Dow.
I’m not OBSESSED with gun control, Nathan, otherwise I’d be doing something active to try and bring it about. I just think you’re being stupid when you vote for a candidate based on their views about guns. It has nothing to do with being an effective leader. Besides, Obama has made it clear that he has no interest in banning guns.
BTW, I know Democrats who enjoy hunting and target shooting…so your stupid sterotypes are just that…STUPID.
The McCain campaign is really getting desperate. . .
‘Lies, Half-Truths and Contradictions: McCain reheating Mitt’s old material‘
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=31173
“The McCain camp seems to have run out of LHC because they’re recycling old ones — ones that Mitt Romney used against Obama a year ago. Mitt’s seconds? Oh, senator.”
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 6, 2008 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
I’ve heard of some Marines abusing Iraqi citizens, everything from rape to murder…you’re a Marine, Nathan…so you must be like them.
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I think that you’ve probably gone over the line this time, Mary.
Obama has the right and freedom to pick his friends and associates. A Marine has no right nor freedom to pick his comrades in arms. He does have the duty and the responsibility to act when his comrades violate the rules of engagement in war.
Many of the atrocities and violations are brought to light because the men and women in the armed forces do a very credible job of policing themselves.
Nathan is an armorer in the Marine Corps. It is his job to repair and maintain all kinds of weapons. He has a few guns and he enjoys shooting them. He defends his right to carry arms. Doesn’t make him obsessed.
Obama is a product of the old boy Chicago democrat machine. He has participated in he worst kind of power politics. He has associated with known terrorists and felons knowingly and by choice to further his political career.
My boy is honorable and brave. To imply or insinuate any different to make a cheap political point is beneath you.
Mary,
Where have I made one sterotype let alone more than one here?
I vote for a candidate for several reasons, one of my big issues is gun control. Almost everyone has major issues that they will use to support or not support someone over.
Your problem is that instead of arguing for why it might be dumb to do so, you simply say someone is stupid.
Fine. You are stupid too. You are the one who routinely makes sterotypes about Christians.
You are nothing more than a hateful intolerant bigot.
The Republicans are getting desperate because Obama’s pulling ahead in the polls…so the character asassination is going full steam.
Face it, McCain is going to lose and all the “swiftboating” in the world isn’t going to save the election for McCain.
MCCAIN VS MCCAIN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHW-RO1_WN0
Hey, btw, I’m a pretty good shot with a handgun. I shoot holes in those paper circles at the Bullet Stop from time to time.
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 6, 2008 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
I’ve heard of some Marines abusing Iraqi citizens, everything from rape to murder…you’re a Marine, Nathan…so you must be like them.
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And Mary did you also see when these marines were cleared of all charges. Of course not. That didn’t fit the dims agenda.
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Congressman Discussed Killings Involving Serviceman’s Squad in Haditha, Iraq
By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 2, 2006; Page A05
A Marine Corps staff sergeant who led the squad accused of killing two dozen civilians in Haditha, Iraq, will file a lawsuit today in federal court in Washington claiming that Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) defamed him when the congressman made public comments about the incident earlier this year.
Attorneys for Frank D. Wuterich, 26, argue in court papers that Murtha tarnished the Marine’s reputation by telling news organizations in May that the Marine unit cracked after a roadside bomb killed one of its members and that the troops “killed innocent civilians in cold blood.” Murtha also said repeatedly that the incident was covered up.
Murtha argued that the questionable deaths of 24 civilians were indicative of the difficulties and overpowering stress that U.S. troops are facing. The congressman, a former Marine, has been a leading advocate for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq.
In the court filing, obtained by The Washington Post, the lawyers say that Murtha made the comments after being briefed by Defense Department officials who “deliberately provided him with inaccurate and false information.” Neal A. Puckett and Mark S. Zaid, suing for libel and invasion of privacy, also wrote that Murtha made the comments outside of his official scope as a congressman.
Telephone calls yesterday to Murtha’s office in Washington were referred to his district office in Pennsylvania, and calls there were not returned. A Marine Corps spokesman declined to comment yesterday on the Haditha investigation or the lawsuit.
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I am always at the depths the dims will stoop to to demean our troops.
always amazed
Monday evening’s CNN national Poll of Polls — incorporating our new CNN survey, as well as new tracking numbers from Gallup and Hotline taken October 3-5 — shows Obama leading McCain by 6 points — at 49 to 43 percent.
President Bush may be part of the reason why Obama’s making gains. Only 24 percent of those polled approve of Bush’s job as president, an all-time low for a CNN survey. See the latest polling
“Bush has now tied Richard Nixon’s worst rating ever, taken in a poll just before he resigned in 1974, and is only 2 points higher than the worst presidential approval rating in history, Harry Truman’s 22 percent mark in February 1952,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
I refrain from calling people names..until tonight when you stated calling people “idiots”
I’m sick of your condesending attitude, your arrogance, and your hypocrisy. You need to walk the talk…nitwit.
Mary if you are naive enough to think that there aren’t one issue dims on this blog you just must read with a closed mind.
Ask pmon if she would vote for someone she agreed with on everything about but – they were prolife.
How about KFG is she agreed on everything but same sex marriage.
And that’s bad news for McCain, because the poll suggests a growing number of Americans believe the Republican presidential nominee would have the same policies as the current Republican president. Fifty-six percent say McCain’s policies would be the same as Bush, up from 50 percent a month ago.
“I am always at the depths the dims will stoop to to demean our troops.”
I’m amazed at the gullibility of people like you who think American soldiers are incapable of war atrocities. You have your head in the sand, Madam.
Mary,
I believe you were the first one here to call anyone an idiot.
Idiot.
Hypocirsy?
Like posting studies about how much more dangerous homes are with guns in them… while having a gun in your home?
Like constantly saying how much you dislike guns and talk about how a gun killed someone close to you… while you still go out shooting one?
Like how you constantly belittle others for their wasteful spending while you build more and more on your home on the lake with an airplane hanger?
Like how you say you are sick of my attitude here while since I have known you here as Damoon you have been and continue to be one of the most hateful posters towards Christians and Christianity?
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 6, 2008 at 8:52 pm | Permalink
“Idiots.”
I don’t think the Ayers problem will cause Obama to sink or swim but I do think it needs to come out on something other that conservative talk shows. The NY Times finally printed something about it and listen to the whiners whine. Palin was even accused of rascism for mentioning it. Remember what Bill Clinton said. “He played the race card on me”. People who know me know I’m not rascist. Who is running scared?
A man who counts as his friends or ‘acquaintinces’ men like Rev Wright and William Ayers is either a very poor judge of character or is of the same character they are. Either doesn’t speak well for the person who wants to be our prez.
The point here is inappropriately assigned guilt by association. I saw the photos of the piles of dead babies William Calley and the Marines killed in My Lai.
And how another soldier landed his helicopter in the line of fire to stop the murdering Marines from killing more old ladies and babies.
Obama was in the same organization as some university professor.
Lt. Calley was in the same organization that our blogging friend is in.
Not so dissimilar and just as meaningless.
Mary, please stop beating up the Marine.
okobserver…Americans need to vote for a candidate based on where they stand on major issues affecting our country…not if a candidate supports abortion, gun control, gay marriage, or any other issue a president has little or no control over.
The future of our country is not going to be determined by those issues and distractions.
I couldn’t care less if a candidate wears a flag pin on his lapel or places his hand on his heart during the Star Spangeled Banner…but to some that’s enough to determine who they’ll vote for…again I’ll say it…IDIOTS!
Mary I never said any such thing and you madam are grasping at straws to cover your butt. Soldiers under stress might do something completely out of their nature and some soldiers are just plain nasty and mean. Going in the military doesn’t change their personalty. These are reported and disciplined. My son spent 10 years in the navy and he told of these times.
I feel sorry for the hard brittle person you have become in the last few months. You have hit a new low from the poster you used to be.
Apparently HLP can’t find that any conviction record of Ayers. I guess “innocent until proven guilty” is part of the new Constitution that Republicans feel is necessary. Good luck with that guys. I think you are traitors.
Hank posted October 6, 2008 at 9:11 pm
“He has associated with known terrorists and felons knowingly and by choice to further his political career.”
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Hank seems to believes everything from the gop site that he copy/pasted on three threads tonight.
Hank, did the McCain campaign return the money from the person who served on the same board as Obama and (GASP!) Ayers?
It keeps getting better. Palin is quoted as saying in San Francisco that Afghanistan is one of the US’s neighboring countries. No dim bulbs on the Republican team doncha know?
That’s exactly my point, David. You can’t assign guilt to one person for another’s behavior.
Nathan..I used the term “IDIOT” after you did…that’s why I did it..”idiot”.
What Obama has shown me by his history and association is that he is for tax increases on people making as little as $42,000 a year. He has no problem developing more welfare programs which I feel keep the masses down instead of helping them up. He has radical association with people who hate the country I love. He wants to control our national safety and take away our rights to defend ourselves. His past actions have shown us all of this.
Thanks, but no thanks. If he wins then I feel sorry for our country and wonder how much damage he can do in the next four years.
Nathaniel posted October 6, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Mary,
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You are stupid too.
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You are nothing more than a hateful intolerant bigot.
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Mary, you may not get a Christmas card from the Price family this year?
You may enjoy Bill Ayers personal blog and web sight here:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/biography-history/
Mary,
Tonight, where have I used the word idiot before you in this thread?
You call me obsessed, call me stupid, call me an idiot all before I said one thing about you.
You totally missed my point, okobserver….I’m not surprised.
“I feel sorry for the hard brittle person you have become in the last few months. You have hit a new low from the poster you used to be.”
Clean up your own back yard before you look into mine.
It’s so typical that nasty and rude right wing posters cry foul when someone uses their own tactics on them…I’m just mirroring you guys.
Where you on Bidens outright lies. Slips of the tongue happen. Our union has how many states? Can fallen soldiers be in Obamas audience? I could go on but it wouldn’t matter you guys are so stoved up with your hate the minds have shut down.
Mary_Caruso
Posted October 6, 2008 at 9:32 pm | Permalink
That’s exactly my point, David. You can’t assign guilt to one person for another’s behavior.
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Sure you can Mary, prosecutors do it all the time.
If you were a person who hung around the mafia and you engaged in activities that were legal, you might still be called in by the prosecutor for associated with an known crime figure.
If there was any collusion going on and it was proven, you could be charged with a crime.
“Mary, you may not get a Christmas card from the Price family this year?”
I don’t ever remember getting a Xmas card from the Price family, LOL.
Mary,
You have been rude, mean, and nasty towards Christianity since day one here.
Palin’s husband was in that group that wants Alaska to leave the USA and become an independent country…
Is that treason? Organizing to split up the USA?
hrmmm. Her husband! My my my. Food for thought, isn’t it?
Governor Palin’s husband wanted break up the United States of America.
That is a pretty radical association, don’t ya think. I betcha Senator Obama never slept with Bill Ayers.
Mary I hear that excuse a lot from the left but if you go back and look at my posts they are almost always on discussion and on point. I only sling mud at those who sling it first such as Chas and BJ. Even KFG who loves to dish but has a hard time taking it doesn’t get that much from me.
You people go to your little lunches and talk about the posters on the right and come back with vitriole in your throats ready to go for the jugulars. It isn’t a pretty attribute. You aren’t nearly the person you used to be.
And BTW I had you pegged as a poor home health care worker who was one paycheck away from losing her health insurance and wouldn’t be able to get any more because of your past cancer. What a story you did paint!
Is there any honesty on the left?
okobserver posted October 6, 2008 at 9:25 pm
“I don’t think the Ayers problem will cause Obama to sink or swim but I do think it needs to come out on something other that conservative talk shows.”
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So you missed it when Hillary brought it up during that debate?
And you missed all of the MSM coverage of the above?
Maybe it’ll be covered AGAIN in Tues nights debate.
And covered AGAIN by MSM.
DavidB why don’t you go to Hawaii and arrest all of the people there who want a soverign and separate Hawaii. That should clear the islands off.
What exactly have you contributed today other than insinuations that have no basis in fact. I forgot BJ’s rule – if a lib floats an idea 3 times then it becomes fact.
Libs you have to love them. Its good that they travel in packs. It protects the rest of us.
Heh HEH!
Witness the con meltdown!
Even within the party.
Republicans in Michigan are none too pleased that McCain/Palin pitched them under the bus.
It hurts there in down ticket races.
And McCain will hurt the Republican cause all across America.
Now Missouri is gone. Obama is up there by 3 points. Colorado gone too.
Cosmos yes I did hear it when Hillary said it and I also remember the silence that came from the MSM. It has never been aired and is finally out in the open. What are you whining about?
And you’ve been rude, mean, and nasty toward anyone who doesn’t agree with you, Nathan..whether they are Christian or not.
I just love it BJ. Maybe you will finally get insurance for your kid.
And here is okobserver who was going to IGNORE me attacking me without provocation.
Sweetness? Why don’t you catch me in ONE lie before you accuse me of several?
Answer is you can’t. You are just lashing out in anger and anguish.
BlueJay sings….
Lovin’ every minute of it
okobserver,
“A man who counts as his friends or ‘acquaintinces’ men like Rev Wright and William Ayers is either a very poor judge of character or is of the same character they are. Either doesn’t speak well for the person who wants to be our prez.”
Really. Well, a man who counts as his friend or ‘acquaintences’ convicted felongs like Charles Keating and G. Gordon Liddy, or a women who associates with a radial, anti-American secessionist political party, are either “very poor judges of character” or are of the same character as their associates.
I won’t ask, ksgrm, whether there’s any “honesty on the right,” since your complete hypocrisy provides sufficient answer.
Polls ah yes, they are so accurate (cough)
Guess no one remembers the exit polls incident. :)
okobserver,
I’m not “whining”, and MSM already covered Ayers.
There’s nothing there, unless you’re very desperate and trying to use “guilt by association”.
Guilt by association like John McCain and convicted criminal Charles Keating?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating
(Keating remains unrepentant, maintaining that it was not his mistakes or criminal deeds but regulators’ actions that were responsible for the losses.)
Perhaps even more damaging, America’s financial nightmare conjured images of the savings and loan scandal 20 years ago, one in which McCain’s close ties to political sugar daddy Charles Keating almost ended his career. And to be sure, flashing back to McCain’s 1989 temper tantrum in response to his Keating Five charges can only remind American voters that John McCain is dangerously unfit for the nation’s highest office. – greenleegazette.blogspot.com/2008/09/did-you-know-john-mccain-was-one-of.html
okobserver…you know nothing about me…so don’t even try. The same goes for Nathan.
The only thing you people are interested in is tearing other people down…and look how you act when the tables are turned. Mean, nasty, judgemental, defensive…so predictable!
BJ I just said I hope your son finally get insurance. How do you turn that into an attack. Only in loony lib land.
Yes you have lied on many ocassions.
CF I am just so proud of you that you remember me from my first nic. You are so clever. I bet your momma thought you were a talented child. Were you ignored when you were in kindergarten? Therapy, it might help.
“I just love it BJ. Maybe you will finally get insurance for your kid.”
My point exactly…how “Christian” of you, oko!
Pay no attention to the world-wide economic meltdown behind the curtain. Shout “Ayers” . . . “Ayers”
Mary I have no doubt that this is the only way BJ’s son will get health insurance. Where is that unChristian?
“CF I am just so proud of you that you remember me from my first nic. You are so clever. I bet your momma thought you were a talented child. Were you ignored when you were in kindergarten? Therapy, it might help.”
There you go again…and I’ll bet you sit in the front pew on Sunday morning!
“Mary I have no doubt that this is the only way BJ’s son will get health insurance. Where is that unChristian?”
Now who’s trying to cover their butt?
Yes Mary that was sarcastic. I get tired of the little zingers the left throws so well at the right. How many nics have you had I have had two. I know of six chas has used where is the condemnation for him?
And pray tell what does that have to do with Christianity or lack thereof?
I will leave the left to their discussion. I have a life and need to get back to it.
“Yes you have lied on many ocassions.”
Then it should be very easy for you to find ONE okie.
I don’t accuse you of lying. You’re just a mean, ill mannered, self centered crone.
But in calling me a liar, you make yourself one.
It’s ok. I don’t seek reflection in your eyes. And my reputation is a little bigger than your smallness. Being a liberal and kind hearted, I’ll take your venting.
But I will ask you ma’am to stand behind what you post here. Your political despair notwithstanding.
Yeah Mary…
We are such horrible Christians because we don’t just sit here and take your crap.
BlueJay,
Last night you kept insisting that I was trying to exclude Regular or that I was part of planning some exclusive meeting where he was not invited.
Lie.
“Yes Mary that was sarcastic. I get tired of the little zingers the left throws so well at the right. How many nics have you had I have had two. I know of six chas has used where is the condemnation for him?
And pray tell what does that have to do with Christianity or lack thereof?”
I don’t know oko, why don’t YOU tell me?
BTW, I use my real name…I don’t use a nic. I don’t know it that matters how many “nics” a person has had or why they should be “condemed” for it.
“We are such horrible Christians because we don’t just sit here and take your crap.”
Really..what ever happened to turning the other cheek? Jesus would be so disappointed in you.
ksgrm,
No answer to my pointing out of your double standard as regards guilt by association. Not that anyone is surprised.
Nathaniel posted October 6, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Last night you kept insisting that I was trying to exclude Regular or that I was part of planning some exclusive meeting where he was not invited.
Lie.
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Link please, where Regular was included in the “meetup” that okobserver was trying to arrange.
Feel sorry for old man Caruso tonight.
I bet he’s sleeping on the couch with a Playboy magazine and a beer.
Observation Nathan.
I saw you and okobserver planning a meetup.
Regular was about. But I didn’t see him invited.
Hey it is not for ME to mess much with con social events. It just bugs me that you use that poor person and then kick him to the curb. He’s good enough to stand for your ideas but not desirable to meet? Perhaps in my pointing it out, I have helped you be a better person.
That okobserver? She’s a real hero.
She makes her living on prison labor and bags on a self employed single dad. THEN when I show up, she bails.
BlueJay,
That makes you a liar. You asked for a lie, you have one.
“I’ve heard of some Marines abusing Iraqi citizens, everything from rape to murder…you’re a Marine, Nathan…so you must be like them.
I think that you’ve probably gone over the line this time, Mary.”
Don’t get your bowels in an uproar, Hank…my point was the same as yours…maybe you need to quit taking my posts out of context so you’ll know what I was really saying.
okobserver: “Lets name a night and have a weblog meeting and do our good deed for the week.
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Get back to me about the meetup. I’m game.
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Looks like she was asking Nathaniel to “name a night” — and there’s no mention of Regular.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1005/#comment-440314
IF that is the best you have for lies on me Nathan?
I mean “Regular” is right here.
Tell ya what. If Regular will tell us that you and okobserver invited him to your meetup? I will admit I was wrong.
Calling me a liar is a stretch.
We will see much more of these petty personal distractions as the cons refuse to accept reality.
“Feel sorry for old man Caruso tonight.
I bet he’s sleeping on the couch with a Playboy magazine and a beer.”
LOL….he’s actually out of town because his mother died this week.
Why are duh Libs so worried about me being invited to a meetup?
At least on the conservative side, we’re all adults here – if I wanted to go, I would just simply ask or state I would drop by.
I saw the post and thought it was just something thought about, but not planned.
Bunch of maroons…
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Mary_Caruso
Posted October 6, 2008 at 10:24 pm | Permalink
“Feel sorry for old man Caruso tonight.
I bet he’s sleeping on the couch with a Playboy magazine and a beer.”
LOL….he’s actually out of town because his mother died this week.
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Sorry to hear about the loss of his mother.
Peace
So long as we’re dealing in shallow guilt-by-association:
This morning the McCain campaign helpfully circulated a column Oliver North had penned in the Washington Times, extolling the senator’s virtues, under the heading “In Case You Missed It: Oliver North on John McCain.” The e-mail made a point of pulling out the key laudatory quote and placing it in bold, making it even easier for reporters to read: “Neither John McCain, nor anyone in his campaign asked me to write this column. But I cannot sit silently while my fellow conservatives do to John McCain what GOP ‘moderates’ did to me. Today, the stakes for our country are far higher, the implications for the future far greater than who sits in one of 100 U.S. Senate seats. Now, our nation is at war against a vicious foe. We need a president who has proven how to win it.”
That prompted The Trail to ponder a simple question: Is McCain pleased to receive North’s endorsement, given the fact that the failed GOP senatorial candidate was convicted in 1989 of shredding documents, accepting an illegal gratuity and aiding and abetting in the obstruction of Congress? Of course, a three-judge panel vacated North’s conviction the following year on a technicality, calling for proceedings to determine whether North’s immunized testimony influenced witnesses in his trial. And after the Supreme Court declined to review the case, U.S. District Judge Gerhard A. Gesell — who had earlier sentenced North to a three-year suspended prison term, two years’ probation, $150,000 in fines and 1,200 hours’ community service — dismissed it. Still, McCain was serving in Congress when North was conducting the activities in question, so it seemed like a reasonable question to ask.
The McCain campaign’s response? “We’ll let the comments in the release stand,” wrote spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker in an e-mail. “Thanks.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/12/mccain_camp_touts_ollie_north.html
The article goes on to point out McCain’s not-so-enthusiastic previous view of North. Hey, selling your soul’s a bitch.
P.S. Unlike Ayers, actual deaths of human beings and actual terrorism can be directly linked to North’s activities.
LOL….he’s actually out of town because his mother died this week.
Sorry to hear that, Mary. Hope both he and you are okay.
Thanks, Reg..she was our last parent to go. Next it’ll me and ‘ole man Caruso’s turn! Hopefully that won’t be for awhile :)
We’re fine, Rage. She’d been sick a very long time and it wasn’t unexpected. She was 88..so she had a long, full life. We should all be so lucky to live that long.
A major problem with McCain’s desperate mud-slinging strategy — the key to making lies stick is lots of ads, which takes lots of money.
Obama probably has more funds than McCain, and McCain’s lies will increase donations to Obama.
If Obama debunks McCain’s attacks, which is likely, McCain’s strategy backfires on him.
Plus McCain is supposed to be the so-called “Straight Talk Express”. . .
I am sorry for your husband’s loss Mary.
Old Regular must feel about 2 inches tall right now.
And I guess he is comfortable being treated that way.
Nathan? I believe I have proved you wrong in calling me a liar.
Make sure you share that with okobserver next time she shoots at me while I am not around.
We’ve gotten off topic. Just as the cons wanted.
It’s going into day 4 of McCain/Palin going nasty. Still, McCain continues to slide.
MOST electoral polls now are close to or calling the race for Obama.
WHAT do McCain and Palin do next?
And the whole on with the heels off with the gloves bit? ANOTHER blunder and dis on women.
McCain is descending into the realm of a political joke.
Good night all. I’ll try to work on my anger and nasty attitude…I don’t want to be mistaken for a right wing conservative Republican.
BlueJay,
When you make accusations about me with no proof, which are wrong, which even after I said were wrong and you continued to make them, that is a lie.
BlueJay,
I have no meetup. No meetup has been planned. There is nothing to not invite Regular to.
Then I will stand corrected Nathan.
“When you make accusations about me with no proof, which are wrong, which even after I said were wrong and you continued to make them, that is a lie.”
And you have often done this to me and other posters Nathan.
Your particular “gift” is that you make your lies so vile that in refuting them they only get further air. Which is of course, your intention.
I will not do the same to you Nathan. But I will say that I find you without honor. I predict you will make yourself and your party even less respectable in the coming days.
BlueJay,
Stand corrected? Is that your chicken way of saying you did lie and take it back or apologize?
I realize, Nathan, that your intention here is to distract and deflect from informed posts as to the absolute tailspin that the Republican party is in.
I’m not biting. If you and okobserver want to call me a liar you go right ahead on. I’ll take it. I know you on the right need to lash out to feel better.
BlueJay,
You asked for someone to point out where you lied.
It is past 10pm and this thread is going to die. Nothing after 10pm is hardly ever on topic and goes downhill. Now all of a sudden you care?
LOL
And I know as well as you Nathan that in the registered forum that YOUR father asked for AND got that killed readership of his forum that it IS pretty much you and me except for those who will go back to look.
I’m comfortable with my posts here for those who care to look.
“I have no meetup. No meetup has been planned. There is nothing to not invite Regular to.”
I can pull posts that say otherwise as cosmos refers to.
I understand. You bailed on poor old Regular before.
And you whine that you are not invited to social events?
No wonder McCain is losing. He leads a party of social misfits.
It’s obvious that Junior doesn’t work. He could never stand to be away fromt he WEblog that long.
Mccain’s contra ties:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_iran_contra_4
Sounds a little more concrete than Obama/ayers.
“DavidB,
“No, McCain is pointing out that Obama hangs out with scum who are in the mud.
“Of course you are disappointed, because the truth is being told about your radical left wing liberal cnadidate from Chicago.”
Translation: We’re going after this Ayers thing because we really have nothing else. And by the way, your first sentence, factual bullsh*t. Ayers is not a wanted fugitive, and he worked with Barack Obama in an entirely different capacity. Obama had nothing to do with the Weathermen, the Weathermen have nothing to do with the work that Ayers and Obama did together.
Oh, as for how well this bullsh*t is working?
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/poll-shows-obamas-lead-widening/202548?icid=100214839×1210842308x1200636690
Ayers is a red herring. With times being tough, voters do not have the patience with them that they had in 2004.
And that probably also goes for Obama’s ads on Keating, by the way.
This must be read by Independents, Democrats, and Conservatives!!
Link: http://colony14.net/id41.html
This is a detailed and informative chronological overview of Obama’s life; informative because each point contains references provided at the end of the essay [over 200 footnotes]. Sad the media has not/will not fully investigate the following events to prove/disprove their accuracy. Hopefully we will be hearing more about Obama’s character traits and past history in coming weeks.
This is a time line look at the life and times of Barack Obama… a year-by-year look at a guy we don’t know much about at this point. It’s lengthy, but worth the read. To our democrat friends, it’s not the party… it’s the person. Is this the guy you want leading the ‘change’?
Are you for the country, or simply against one party and blindly for another in spite of their candidate.
The Obama Timeline: 1961-2008
The following is an attempt to present relevant aspects of Barack Obama’s life from birth to the present. Every attempt has been made to present accurate names, information, and dates along with references.
Link: http://colony14.net/id41.html
Nathan,
Sorry, but the tenuous “association” of Obama with Biil Ayers doesn’t begin to match the record of conservative pols who hang out with, are advised by and financially and ideologically backed by the Klan in it’s various incarnations. Now that’s a terrorist organization! Oh, I forgot; to you it’s just a christian social club.