It was good that John McCain finally intervened at increasingly hostile GOP political rallies. McCain corrected a woman at one rally last week who said that Barack Obama was an Arab. At another rally McCain told a man who said he was “scared” of Obama that Obama is “a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared” of “as president of the United States” (to which the crowd booed).
The McCain campaign has been inciting crowds to be afraid of and be angry at Obama, who, according to vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, pals around with terrorists. The campaign is unlikely to end these attacks, but at least McCain may be recognizing the danger and dishonor of playing with fire.
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If he’s serious, let him condemn the Virginia GOP Chairman, who compared Obama to Osama bin Laden:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_declines_to_condemn_vir.php
May be the one good thing that can be said of mccain campaign.
That conservative plant best be careful, the crowds might mistake him for an Obama supporter.
McCain should condemn him for butchering a pretty good joke.
What do Barrack Obama and Osama Bin laden have in common?
Both personally know someone who bombed the Pentagon.
Chilling that you can truthfully say that about a potential president of United States.
The left really wants the McCain campaign to shut up about the fact that Obama launched his poltical career in the living room of an unrepentent domestic terrorist (Ayers) who is now training young people to embrace radicalism. Obama is Ayers’ protege to carry his vendeta against capitalism all the way to Oval Office.
McCain can’t stomach attacking Obama for what Obama deservedly needs to be attacked for. McCain in person has lost his fight and almost deserves to lose for this lack of resolve in uncompromisingly defending “country first”.
Just hurry up and sweep it under the rug, nothing to see here. Let’s get Obama in office before the American people have a chance to see that they are being duped.
Figures.
The only good thread on McCain would be one where he is defending Obama.
If anyone seems afraid in this it is McCain.
There is alot of garbage out there about Obama (the birth certificate issue).
There are plenty of issues to be against. There is no doubt in my mind he has a socialist agenda. Someone needs to spell out in black and white what that means. Why McCain isn’t doing that is beyond me.
Too little
Too late
Hey, the editors had to try real hard to come up with one positive thing to post about mccain, and you’all still whine. Why even try?
“There is no doubt in my mind he has a socialist agenda. Someone needs to spell out in black and white what that means. Why McCain isn’t doing that is beyond me.”
Treasury secretary Paulson a Republican effectively nationalized the financial sector. How can McCain talk about socialism.
Mr_Kia – perhaps McCain is an even worse Socialist? Checked out HIS proposals lately?
“The left really wants the McCain campaign to shut up about the fact that Obama launched his poltical career in the living room…”
Oh HELL no. We’re laughing our butts off everytime you post it. And apparently, so are the majority of the voters out there.
Come on. Post it again.
Pretty please? With sugar on it?
Post it again!
“The left really wants the McCain campaign to shut up about the fact that Obama launched his poltical career in the living room OF AN UNREPENTENT TERRORIST.”
Just for you farmgrrl, I’ll post as many times as you like per your request. Open wide!
(farmggrl left off the portion in caps giving credence to the claim itself).
“McCain in person has lost his fight and almost deserves to lose for this lack of resolve in uncompromisingly defending “country first”.”
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
The meltdown of McPalin is fun to watch.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/790/
Considering that the ‘publican leadership has spent the last 12 years doing its level best to incite a lynch mob, what McCain did last week was finally the honorable thing, and he gained my respect, if not my vote. His party may consider it treason though; they’ve read the polls and some hope the gop can, after eight years of looting America, rescue itself with a bullet. Note pall,RFL reggie and boxic above.
“His party may consider it treason though; they’ve read the polls and some hope the gop can, after eight years of looting America, rescue itself with a bullet.”
Apparently, Jed would prefer a bomb over a bullet to achieve political progress. big difference.
So caps give credence? hehehheh HAHAHAHAAHAHHA
Who knew, Chas was correct?
Ok, post it again. WITH caps!!!!!
It’s too late for this now. McCain will have to sleep in the bed he made by allowing this to go on until now. Seems a bit disingenious, and the polls show it.
‘Attack Blowback‘
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2008/10/attack-blowback.html
The McCain campaign’s more aggressive tone is prompting pushback from the public: Registered voters by a broad margin now believe John McCain is more focused on attacking his opponent than on addressing the issues in the 2008 presidential election.
Barack Obama, by contrast, is perceived even more widely as sticking to the issues, this new ABC News/Washington Post poll finds – a striking point of differentiation between the two.”
‘The Palins’ un-American activities’
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/
“My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.”
This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.
Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (“Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.”)
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Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.
That’s right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.”
“Apparently, Jed would prefer a bomb over a bullet to achieve political progress. big difference.”
Grow up child.
“Grow up child.”
?????
Make me.
Today, McCain was supposed to announce that he had broad new economic strategy. Then over the weekend they announced “no, we don’t have any such plan”.
Obama is painting McCain as impulsive, inconsistent and faltering. Then, after every such charge, McCain demonstrates the truth of that observation. The fix is in with this election? I wonder sometimes…
Heh Steven. I read something today speculating that Pelosi’s “impeachment is off the table” was part of a bargain the democrats made with bushco. They agreed to throw the next election, and the house democrats agreed not to impeach bush.
Seems to be working.
Big eye roll.
I posted this link yesterday about the woman who said Barack Obama was an Arab, and McCain took the mic from her. Nothing he said to her made a bit of difference. She was convinced that the U.S. would become a Muslim (her “Arab” had been corrected) nation, if Obama is elected. Puh-leez…
http://the-uptake.groups.theuptake.org/en/videogalleryView/id/933/
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
-Barack Obama, 10/13/2008
The next President of the USSA?
Where does that wealth come from and why do people who did not earn it deserve for it to be spread around to them? How long can such a economy last where those who are the best and brightest can be expected to work hard just to feed their earnings to a federal government who in turn spends it on social welfare programs in select locations?
Do I smell a prolonged recession at the hands of comrade Obama and his puppeteer Pelosi?
The poor only get poorer with socialism.
Vote all the free market Republicans out and let the Democrats handle things unfettered for just 4 years. For the directionally challenged who vote democrat in this country, You can’t go up before hitting rock bottom.
KFG,
I think it is more likely that McCain’s campaign is just one huge disaster. So disasterous that I have to wonder, ‘is this all just an accident’?
But, did you see those puffs of smoke from the grassy knoll?
Sorry, that is probably not anything to laugh about given the level of wingnut desperation this go-round. It gets more palpable here everyday.
“I think it is more likely that McCain’s campaign is just one huge disaster. So disasterous that I have to wonder, ‘is this all just an accident’?”
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I see what you’re saying, Steven, but it’s also possible McCain is just that poor at leadership. He has put people in places inside his campaign who haven’t gotten the job done. And maybe they haven’t been able to do the job because McCain himself is so erratic they can’t make progress or even keep ahead of his veering off in a different direction midstream. McCain may not have the ability to recognize talent so as to surround himself with the brightest, most skilled people. Maybe he is one of those who feels intimidated, thus passes up those most effective. Look at his choice for running mate!
If McCain loses in 08 it will go down as the biggest disaster of a campaign since….2004 when Kerry lost to Bush!
It is a Democrat candidate’s race to lose.
It’s Obama’s serious flaws that have even made this race close.
LOL! McCain is getting even more desperate.
‘McCain, out of bogeymen, blasts Bush‘
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/10/blasts-bush.html
“So today McCain unveiled his new “I’m a fighter” speech, hoping to resurrect his presidential campaign with a promise to be the kind of pugilistic, populist politician who battles against Big Mean Interests for his fellow citizens.”
Each new “tactic” reinforces how erratic he is. Most Americans don’t want someone that unstable in charge of ANYTHING, especially the launch codes!
I think it is more likely that McCain’s campaign is just one huge disaster. So disasterous that I have to wonder, ‘is this all just an accident’?
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So we have McCain is closing the gap. Yet his campaign is “disastrous”.
Remember when the libs misunderestimated Bush? Twice.
Anyone remember what happened then?
I agree with RFL, except for the part about Obama’s “serious flaws”. Democrats can jerk defeat from the jaws of victory in one of the most winnable elections in recent history.
McCain has just helped too much for the Democrats to screw this up, however.
The third debate should be rhetorically owned by McCain. I think McCain will find a way to screw it up… Mark my words. McCain has got the red meat positions on domestic issues – abortion, gay rights/marriage, etc. Obama has nuance. Red meat should beat nuance everytime, except when it is delivered by the bumbling fool, McCain.
Thanks for all your help, John. We owe ya one, dude.
If the seccessionist was sponsored by Iran, and Palin’s husband was a member in good standing of the secessionist party for years, it follows that palin is doing more than palling around with a terrorist.
Actually, McCain is not closing the gap. Wishful thinking, outlander???
This poll shows Obama’s lead widening:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/12/AR2008101202333.html?nav=hcmodule
There has been blowback from the negative campaign. Palin is hurting the cause. A perfect storm created by the genius, John McCain.
lindainks55 posted October 13, 2008 at 4:44 pm
And maybe they haven’t been able to do the job because McCain himself is so erratic they can’t make progress or even keep ahead of his veering off in a different direction midstream. McCain may not have the ability to recognize talent so as to surround himself with the brightest, most skilled people. Maybe he is one of those who feels intimidated, thus passes up those most effective. Look at his choice for running mate!
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Exactly.
Note McCain’s stupid stunt of trying to weasel out of the debate until Congress fixed the financial crisis.
He picked Palin, despite troopergate, and other obvious problems.
It was reported that his advisors told him before the debate to NOT use “my friends” very often. He said it 22 times in 90 minutes, often with his stupid grin.
“He has to make the case that he’s different than Bush and better than Obama on the economy. If he doesn’t win that case, it’s all over, and it’s going to be a very bad year for Republicans.”
– Newt Gingrich, quoted by the AP, on Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign. October 12, 2008
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1584
ttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Depends on which poll you prefer. McCain is closing in these. Near the margin or error. And the perfect storm I mentioned yesterday eases as folks enjoy the news of the stock market recovery.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Oh, let’s not limit ourselves to just One poll, unless it’s the poll of poll’s!
“An average of recent polls by realclearpolitics.com has Obama up 6.8 points”
6.8% is still vitrually Diebold proof.
Outlander you have that right. I listened to Scott Rasmussen today and McCain has gained 2 points on Obama. He also said the Ayers ads haven’t had a chance to affect the results yet.
That should be interesting when we see those numbers.
Oh good. The fun starts. Grmie’s here.
Actually I don’t put much stock in polls. We know how accurate they have been in the last two elections.
Hello Farmgrl. Hows the weather there? Pretty wet here.
‘McCain, out of bogeymen, blasts Bush‘
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/10/blasts-bush.html
McCain hugs Bush
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/McCain-Bush-Hug.htm
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StevenEDavis
Posted October 13, 2008 at 4:23 pm | Permalink
KFG,
I think it is more likely that McCain’s campaign is just one huge disaster. So disasterous that I have to wonder, ‘is this all just an accident’?
But, did you see those puffs of smoke from the grassy knoll?
Sorry, that is probably not anything to laugh about given the level of wingnut desperation this go-round. It gets more palpable here everyday.
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No, I think you lefties enjoy such a thing. In order to gain great political flavor to such an event, you lefties could probably get about twenty years of political mileage out of it.
quack quack
Three inches and counting. But we needed it!
Some of Hank’s ducks were seen floating by a minute ago.
outlander,
Thank you for the link
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
“Still, the data continues to suggest a very stable race with Obama as the clear frontrunner. This is the eighteenth straight day that Obama’s support has stayed in the narrow range from 50% to 52% while McCain has been at 44% of 45% (see trends). “
Just floated in from Ok. In time to see the markets rising on the tide. Great day. Looks like a great election in the making.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Obama 346 McCain 181 Ties 11
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Dem pickups (vs. 2004): CO FL IA NV NM ND OH VA WV
GOP pickups (vs. 2004): (None)
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Obama Continues to Lead in the National Polls
Here is today’s batch of national polls. Obama has an average lead nationally of 8%.
– Diageo tracking (Obama +8)
– Gallup Tracking (Obama +7)
– Rasmussen tracking (Obama +6)
– Research 2000 tracking (Obama +13)
– Washington Post/ABC (Obama +10)
– Zogby (Obama +4)
For those impressed with tracking polls, etc., I note that the RCP average showed Sen. Obama with a 7.4% lead when I looked at that some 15 minutes ago.
“It ain’t over until it’s over”. For those on both sides of the discussion, recall 1948; and, for late charges (but not winning) consider the closing done by Hubert Humphrey in 1968; and Gerald Ford in 1976. As I recall, both VP Humphrey and Pres. Ford made up almost all the deficit in the opinion polls by the election in both years (not all, however).
Thanks Cosmos for those poll numbers. I just saw an interesting piece on the Ohio investigation of ACORN. One young man said he was pressured to sign 73 cards. He said he was told they had quotas and would get fired if they didn’t get enough signatures.
VT the polls are interesting to watch and give some indication of what is happening. I think the info super highway can move news stories around so fast now that this might be a reason polls haven’t been as accurate in recent elections.
Rasmussen weights their polls with the advantage going to the Democratic Party.
This like stating numbers where Blue is weighted at 1.3 weighted average value and Red is weighted at 0.9 weighted average value
So, for every 100 people polled as Democrats, the resulsts would be 130.
The same number of people polled that are Republicans would be 90.
So the Poll would be reported as 130(D) to 90(R).
or 65 Percent (D) and
“Overall, Obama is leading 53 percent to 43 percent among likely voters, and for the first time in the general-election campaign, voters gave the Democrat a clear edge on tax policy and providing strong leadership.
McCain has made little headway in his attempts to convince voters that Obama is too “risky” or too “liberal.” Rather, recent strategic shifts may have hurt the Republican nominee, who now has higher negative ratings than his rival and is seen as mostly attacking his opponent rather than addressing the issues that voters care about. Even McCain’s supporters are now less enthusiastic about his candidacy, returning to levels not seen since before the Republican National Convention.
Conversely, Obama’s pitch to the middle class on taxes is beginning to sink in; nearly as many said they think their taxes would go up under a McCain administration as under an Obama presidency, and more see their burdens easing with the Democrat in the White House.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/12/AR2008101202333.html
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Also, I note that Ed Rollins has already called this for Obama. Rollins says that this election resembles 1980, Reagan v Carter, with McCain/Palin farmin’ peanuts this time.
Rollins’ point? In 1980, voters were so fed up with Carter that once Reagan passed the public consensus as an “acceptable” candidate, he was a landslide lock.
According to Ed Rollins — a longtime GOP activist and analyst — Obama’s standing in Reagan’s shoes here in 2008.
What was that about ACORN?
okobserver, I’m not a great believer in opinion polls being anything but an indicator of the feelings of those polled at the time they are polled. That said, the accuracy question is not so much to me the margin as the eventual outcome; and, as we should know by now, the real poll in a Presidential election is the vote for the electors ending on Nov. 4 (this year).
And, in the FWIW department, the RCP Electoral Count has added Florida to the “leaning Obama” column, which, in their calculations, would give Sen. Obama 304 EVs if the election were held today. Interesting, to be sure; but meaningless.
There should a law like Godwin’s, but re ACORN.
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted October 13, 2008 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
Some of Hank’s ducks were seen floating by a minute ago.
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Always had a hank-erin’ fer them Peking ducks.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 13, 2008 at 5:52 pm | Permalink
There should a law like Godwin’s, but re ACORN.
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I think there may be just such a law, actually.
In fact, I think the McCain/Palin supporters may have shown that its effects are not limited to online discussions and in fact extend to national elections.
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cosmos_originally
Posted October 13, 2008 at 5:30 pm | Permalink
outlander,
Thank you for the link
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
“Still, the data continues to suggest a very stable race with Obama as the clear frontrunner. This is the eighteenth straight day that Obama’s support has stayed in the narrow range from 50% to 52% while McCain has been at 44% of 45% (see trends). “
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Why of course Cosmos. Unlike you, I post the good the bad and the ugly. And I will actually add my own comments, not just post links, again, unlike you.
Driving that moped sucks in this kind of weather, eh? I understand that you can get goggles that have little battery powered wipers.
Looks like the Good Florida Congressman is taking a cue from palin’s playbook, calling for his own ethics investigation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081013/ap_on_go_co/mahoney_investigation_3
Hillary Clinton’s rejoiner to McPalin’s “drill, baby, drill”.
“Jobs, baby, jobs!”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27166600/
“No, I think you lefties enjoy such a thing. In order to gain great political flavor to such an event, you lefties could probably get about twenty years of political mileage out of it.”
Translation, please. Anyone speak “James-speak”?
outlander,
Thank for responding to my comment by claiming that I don’t post comments.
And we (again) thank you for the stupid moped comment. We were betting that you would, and we enjoyed the laughs when you did.
If the investigation of the Florida congressman finds him guilty of ethics violataion, he can just LIE like Sarah Palin did, and claim that he was cleared.
“Well, I’m very very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing,” Palin said, “any hint of any kind of unethical activity there. Very pleased to be cleared of any of that.”
Cosmos, I can’t help it. You just invite those comments.
Anyway, no hard feelings. And more laughs coming your way for you, my friend, and that mouse in your pocket.
outlander,
You’re not my friend. But I, my family, and friends do enjoy laughing at your stupid, and predictable posts.
The Florida guy will most likely be releasing a 20 page report finding himself innocent.
The Democrats would have no hope of winning, were it not for the help of McCain/Palin. Maybe they were paid to throw this fight. What does that say about the Repulipukes?
Prediction: McCain will really suck in the debate Wednesday. What will it mean?
Steven – I disagree. With the horrible mess the Republics have created the Democrats should win – all the way from president to dog-catcher.
Barack Hussein Obama….the Post Turtle
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who’s hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our president.
The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘Post Turtle”.
Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.
The old rancher said, ‘When your driving down a country road on you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.
The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor’s face so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, and he doesn’t know what to do while he’s up there, and you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put him up there to begin with.
Old, but apropos.
Boxlock,
The “post turtle” is in the photo here, sitting next to Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/10/open-thread-1012/#comment-445773
Boxlock,
The “post turtle” is in the photo here, sitting next to Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html
Obama and the dems don’t like it when they are put on the spot.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/bams_speech_police_133448.htm
Jesus WEPT bigotbox. How many times are you going to post that? Do you think if you post it often enough, people will think it’s funny?
big eye roll
Even a one trick pony comes up with a new trick once in a while…
“Thou shalt not criticise the Obama-messiah-fuhrer”
Nancy 1:1
So they don’t have a sprinter this time. Republicans should just chill out and wait for the next race. Palin is only in her 40s, you know.
I sure hope all the polls are wrong but no matter what I have to vote McCain as I feel he is the lesser of two evils. I have a few facts to remind everyone of the first is that the democrats used the excuse two years ago that our country was going to hell because the Republicans held the House along with the President so we voted them into the majority of the house and I have only seen it get worse or am I wrong? I do think they were in control when Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac went under but the house did nothing to stop their main men in each organization get off with millions when they left so I feel as though the Democrats should be held to blame also. The Second reason is are we ready to forsake GODS word,( The Bible ) as he will want to be sworn into Office like he did for the Senate with his hand on the KORAN or has everyone forgot this? My last reason being I Have Not Forgot all those that Died Sept.11, Sorry but he hasn’t said anything about how he has stopped going to the MUSLIN house of worship and I am concerned he will help the Muslin Nations to Defeat us in war I Will not take that Chance when I don’t have to because I at least know John McCain didn’t deseart his country when being tortured so I know where he stands. And besides Democrats control the house so they can stop anything they don’t like anyway. HOPE THIS WAKES SOME UP