Kansas remains ruby-red McCain country, with the Republican favored to win 53 to 41 percent over Barack Obama in the latest SurveyUSA poll co-sponsored by Wichita’s KWCH, Channel 12. But Obama led by 10 percent among the 15 percent of Kansans who said last week that they had voted early. McCain led by 15 percent among those yet to vote.
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News flash Republicans! Due to the expected turn out, voting has been postponed until November 5th, 2008! Please pass the word on to your friends…
Funny … I voted last Friday afternoon at the Historic downtown Wichita Courthouse. Nobody asked me how I voted. How does anyone know how the early vote breaks down?
So, EAGLE opinion editor Rhonda Holman, were you peeking over the election booth curtains to derive these early voting figures?
Now Steven, don’t do that, you know they’ll scream that you were seriously trying to skew the election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SFu7NUekwM
Poor Faux news chick meltdown. Betcha they don’t have HIM on again. Maybe O’Lielly will have him on so they can just cut his mic.
I found that exchange on Faux amusing. “Megan” tells guest not to interrupt her when in fact she is interrupting him and then complaining that he is interrupting her.
What a piece of work.
“Fair and Balanced”. Bah! When scientific polls show overwhelmingly that Obama won each debate, but the Faux call in polls from their audience show absurdly overwhelming McCain victories, it is clear where Faux’s bread is buttered. By people who want their biases confirmed (and yes, MSNBC’s prime time programming is now running the other way, and it is a sad commentary on this country that they are striking gold in doing so, the reflexive right, and yes it is the right, has succeeded in creating a counter movement and dividing this country, way to go!).
GOOD catch political mama!
Bill Burton helped little Megan melt down real well!
I think if the interview would have been face to face, she would have thrown a shoe at him.
Yeah but for melt downs she does not compare to D.E. Mires she rants and raves till someone finally has to point out. “D.E. the kid is five years old and spilling a glass of milk on the floor has nothing to do with foreign policy and is not causing the financial down turn in the U.S. economy!”. Damn it now you got me off topic LOL.
I would suspect that Obama will make a healthy showing in Kansas though he will not take Kansas.
There are many whom are not saying out loud that they plan on voting for him.
I plan to vote this evening. I would like to express appreciation to the many churches and other ‘public’ facilities who are graciously allowing citizens to use their locations for voting places.
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JWink
Posted October 28, 2008 at 6:48 am | Permalink
Funny … I voted last Friday afternoon at the Historic downtown Wichita Courthouse. Nobody asked me how I voted. How does anyone know how the early vote breaks down?
So, EAGLE opinion editor Rhonda Holman, were you peeking over the election booth curtains to derive these early voting figures?
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Ya, it’s peculiar JWink.
I see all these polls and wonder who they actually ask and where.
I’ve lived in several states as an adult and have yet to be asked in a poll on any political question.
I’m voting Thursday.
I found this interesting from the “click” in the thread header.
“In an election for President of the United States in Kansas today, Republican John McCain defeats Democrat Barack Obama 53% to 41%, according to this SurveyUSA pre-election poll conducted exclusively for KWCH-TV Wichita and KCTV-TV Kansas City. Compared to an identical poll released one month ago, the race is unchanged. Compared to an identical poll released two months ago, McCain is down 5 points; Obama is up 6 points.”
McCain is down since his choice of running mate. Republican Party split? We’re hearing the same kind of news nationally. Fiscal conservatives and social conservatives seem to be taking divergent paths.
Sure hope those 24 percenters continue their support of Palin! Palin for 2012! Divided they fall more easily.
Useful idiots are for Obama and will be used well…
“writerdog” –
I can’t believe Kansas can turn blue, but I’m seeing signs of what almost seems like a reverse-”Bradley Effect.”
My aunt in Winfield hasn’t voted for a Democrat in her life, but she’s the same age as John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) scared spitless about the Moose-Dresser rising to the Oval Office if McCancer takes the big dirt nap. She hasn’t gone so far as to admit she’ll vote for Obama, but she’s open about her disdain for the McPalin ticket.
Mostly, Republic Party stalwarts in my little corner of Kansas don’t want to talk about it. About the 15th time McCodger dragged out “Joe the Plumber” into last week’s debate, one of ‘em said “He’s spewing out the same talking points, not answering the questions! Did Palin coach him for the debate?!”
I don’t know where on the stage traditional Kansas Republic Party voters are along the Kubler-Ross Five Stage of Grief, but it’s palpable when looking at McCoot’s abysmal campaign. “If he governs the way he’s run for office we’re screwed anyway.”
Will it turn into them voting for a Democrat? I sincerely doubt it. But, recalling that Republic Party campaign button from last spring, they may refuse to hold their noses and vote for McPalin. They may not vote for the Democrat, but they won’t sully themselves with a vote for Shrub’s 3rd term.
There is a significant number of advocates of illegal abortion and anti-marriage-equality bigots to carry Tankerless Todd and Patsy Roberts to victory, probably. (Thomas Frank isn’t so much a prophet as he is the little boy who says the emperor has no clothes, after all.)
Cut me and I bleed Crimson and Blue, but I recognize that combination results in Purple (which is why, according to legend, K-State picked that school color). And we may be getting there starting in 2008.
Let me be first to coin “The Mccain Effect”, that’s where people in traditionally Red states such as Kansas will tell the pollsters “I’m voting for Mccain”, but in reality will not vote (because they want their party back), or when they’re alone in the booth will vote for a true change in direction!
You read it here first!
Damn, Monkey, you beat me to it!
Kansas:
McCain 52%
Obama 45%
other 3%
I’m just wondering how many others that aren’t on traditional poll calling lists will be showing up to vote.
Sorry ’bout that, “Phantom” –
Thing is, Barack’s speech was live in the background while I was writing.
And then MSNBC switched to Bible Spice cheerleading hate and contempt for common sense.
Maybe both are preaching to their respective choirs. But the McPalin campaign just ushered out some people in the crowd who protested to the Moose-Dresser’s talking points.
The difference between the crowd responses should open some ideas.
Just about every talking point (and they’re all talking points at this stage of any campaign) Obama presented was met with cheers. Just about every crowd response to the Moose-Dresser’s talking points result in “Boo!”
And I come back to my oft-repeated and long-standing question to cons: “Why vote for John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term)?”
No CON participant in this forum has stepped up and given us anything except trumped up attacks on Obama’s ethnicity and tenuous guilt-by-associations.
And now the little old man in the black suit is gonna speak….
MonkeyHawk,
I can hear some saying they won’t answer the question as you asked it.
However, I’ve seen others ask it differently, along the lines of, “Why are you voting for McCain?” and it still isn’t answered with positives.
Monkeyhawk I have described the kind of Republican I am several ways, “Moderate”, Fiscal Conservative” and “centrist”. At one time I was the usual “one issue voter” the Republicans were going to safe guard my 2nd amendment right and the Democrats were going to violate them plain and simple. I now realized that neither is the total truth in all this. I was not aware of just how far the party had went astray of it core ideals. I guess if I have to give any credit to President G.W. Bush is that he suddenly made me more politically aware.
Kansas will change I have not doubt and be more Purple at least in the next ten years. That is the effect that the Bush administration will have on this country and this state. I know I am not a Nazi and none of the Republican I know and associate with is either. But when I state I am a Republican in most circles I get a look like I just admitted to being a Nazi. Or it is assumed that I am as far right as they are, so times are changing. I can not vote for John McCain as he has adopted and surrounded himself with the same ideologists as G.W. Bush. These are not republicans by any stretch of the imagination they have the same mentality as a 12 y.o. Bully and a thought process to match.
I believe that more Kansas Republicans will be slapped in the face and wake up too. When the marriage amendment was adopted I realized that Kansans were no longer the people I thought we were. I had always been proud of the Kansas common sense I thought we had. Not subject to wild whims or faddish thinking.
For us it took time and thought to accept change and adopt some of the faddish influences of the East Coast or the West Coast. We were the solid thinkers of the nation and used sound reason to make our judgments.
You can accept there is a God and follow his laws in faith but that those laws are for the faithful and do not pertain to those outside of the faith. The fact that it was add to the supreme law of Kansas showed we no longer as the people of Kansas had such common sense reality. It was no more right than Bin Laden’s desire to have the Americans live by his warped concept of Islam.
The news media can just butt out on predicting who will win, where, when and how.
“bth” shares –
“Kansas:
McCain 52%
Obama 45%
other 3%”
Really!?
Which poll is that?
It sounds pretty incredible for Kansas.
But Kansans, even Republic Party advocates in Kansas, have historically voted their common sense.
Nancy Kassebaum was a quintessential Kansas Republic Party official. Kassebaum Republicans don’t have a party anymore.
They know it.
Whether they’ll vote that way yet is another question.
Wow! Finally, a reasonable comment! Good job, george!
Republicans took enough rope to hang themselves, sad part is the entire country and global economy is swaying on the gallows with them!
Bawhahaha!
Bill Burton got his ass handed to him. Megan won the argument hands down.
Burton won’t (can’t) address this simple fact: How can you give a tax cut to 95% of workers when 40% of them pay no tax now?
Answer: it isn’t a tax cut. It’s welfare.
“george
Posted October 28, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink
The news media can just butt out on predicting who will win, where, when and how.”
“aldenrw
Posted October 28, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink
Wow! Finally, a reasonable comment! Good job, george!”
Somehow I always imagine ‘george’ is on here looking for The Man with The Yellow Hat
The question is no longer “Are you better off than 4 yrs. or even 8 yrs. ago?”, it has changed to “Can America and the world afford more of the same?”.
Bawhahaha!
Bill Burton got his ass handed to him. Megan won the argument hands down.
That must be some good acid you’re doing!
MH – those are just my guesses.
Hmmmm…
Can’t help but notice that Phantom also chose not to address the fact.
“How can you give a tax cut to 95% of workers when 40% of them pay no tax now?”
Answer: The 40% who “pay no tax now” do, in fact, pay taxes. They are paying payroll taxes; not income taxes. The whole idea behind EITC (by Nixon as I recall) was to ease the payroll tax burden on those at the bottom of the income scale.
Bth, you are correct. Those “taxes” are already refunded via the EITC.
However, the “payroll taxes” are payments INTO the social security system. That system is designed to be an investment. Most people will receive disbursements from that trust fund when they retire. (The merits of that system can be argued independent of this discussion.)
One can also note that they are paying other taxes: sales tax, property tax, non-federal income tax… All (save a few small excise taxes) are the mandates of the state – not the federal government.
I submit (again): Obama’s “tax cut” for those that pay no federal income tax is not a tax plan, it’s an expansion of welfare.
This lays out, in a nutshell, what these people are calling “welfare”:
Currently, lower-income workers can receive the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is paid to workers regardless of whether they make enough to pay income taxes. The credit has long had bipartisan support because it is viewed as encouraging people to go to work, but some conservatives have argued that Obama’s effort to expand the credit goes too far. Now, a family of four earning $24,000 a year gets a tax credit of $3,716. That would go up by $421 under Obama’s plan, said Roberton Williams of the Tax Policy Center.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/10/22/details_of_tax_credit_debate_can_get_lost_in_the_slogans/
The notion that people need “encouragment” to go to work is vintage Republican (most people have the “encouragements” of paying the rent, keeping the electric on, feeding their children, you know, trivial things like that). One might note in passing that the EITC typically is only available to families with children.
So you see, like so many of the complaints we’re seeing now, the argument is not really with Obama’s plan, but with generally aceepted underlying concepts, in this case, the earned income tax credit, just as the “socialist” objection is really just an objection to progressive taxation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit
Spin it any way you like. There is no denying: IT IS AN EXPANSION OF WELFARE.
“KSGolfnut
Posted October 28, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
Spin it any way you like. There is no denying: IT IS AN EXPANSION OF WELFARE.”
But it is nothing new and nothing that should drive a vote for or against Obama.
McCain is certainly not going to repeal the Earned income credit, nor are any Republicans in Congress.
If the earned income credit being part of the tax code is ‘welfare’ to you, we already live in a welfare nation, and there is nothing Obama or McCain can or will do about it.
Now, don’t think I am for or against the EITC or welfare (I am undecided)
I am not spinning, just pointing out that the things that you are decrying are already happening, already in place.
Whether we like it or not, it is what it is.
No, Brian, I’m not against the EIC.
I AM against expanding welfare, and that’s what Obama’s “tax plan” does.
How can you not be against the EIC? You said expanding EIC would be expanding welfare, thus you must feel that the EIC is welfare.
Or is it that you are OK with the current level of welfare, but against expanding it any.
Of course early voters vote for Obama.
They’re the ones that are smart enough not to stand in line for an hour and battle for parking spots.
In short, they plan ahead and take responsibility.
Republicans just bus them in from churches.
Good link, PMom.
I enjoyed that!
If I had been Bill Burton, I would have pretended to go to sleep when she started going off on her BS rants.
One more week until the Worst. President. Ever. is thrown on the dungheap of history forever . . .
The EIC is on a continum, and dependent on their income and other considerations the poor filers may not receive any or very little EIC.
Ya know what was hilarious, the Ann Coulter-type babe saying, “we don’t appreciate sarcasm around here.”
The entire RNC was nothing but sarcasm and ridicule.
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Mr_Kia
Posted October 28, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink
I’m voting Thursday.
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I registered through ACORN and voted 23 times!
I took a few minutes to time the amount of time Megan spoke and the Obama-dude spoke–
Omitting the part in which she rudely spoke right over her “guest,” she spoke for 3 and one-half minutes while the Obama spokesman only got in 2 minutes and 50 seconds.
So she spoke alone, 83 percent of the time.
That’s what Faux News calls “fair and balanced.”
FOX “news”
They report, you comply.
Heh O’Reilly has been getting his chops busted lately in ratings against Keith Olberman.
SO full of…whatever.. is O’Reilly, that he went on a rant about the Nielson ratings being manipulated by Barack Obama to make him look bad! He demands the FCC investigate.
I registered through ACORN and voted 23 times!
I voted in Kansas, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Guam–twice!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q9NSVUu8nk
Here’s a video of a WVA poll worker trying to explain that a vote switching electronic machine just needs to be “recalibrated.”
Strangely, after he “recalibrates” it, it keeps doing the same thing.
Yeah.
Weird, huh?
And then he sums it all up by saying, “well, you shouldn’t leave until you have verified your vote.”
Blame the voter for the f***ed up machine.
Real nice.
“Straight ticket Dem” votes for McCain.
Amazing, so did “straight ticket Republican!”
Nothing to see here . . .
Voted
Tax and spend liberal is a saying I’ve heard ten times today. Taxes and responsible government spending, what’s wrong with that?
The McCain campaign want to forever tax cuts, including those making 250,000 a year and corporations. That causes deficit spending in federal budgets. McCain advocates spending money the government doesn’t have.
In times of two wars tax increases are necessary, not the selling of American debt to China, Saudi Arabia and others. Bush has sold our soul for generations.
If anyone believes the price of gas wasn’t manipulated is a dumbass. Very telling, prior to news of Wall Street melting down gas was high for many months.
Now Americans can’t be gouged twice, loss of investments and high gas prices. Low gas prices close to the election, it’s whimsical.
Every politician has issues, Obama has Rezco and Wright.
McCain has corrupted Ted Stevens help in Ohio that will cause 10,000 job losses.
Biden’s flourishing comments about himself and Obama, flipping lips.
Palin abused her Governor’s office and shaky parenting with a teen daughter pregnant. The girl still doesn’t have a high school diploma and talks about marrying?
Good luck to Kansas, I hope it’s less a red state. Next Tuesday will be crazy!
Locally, Yes on the school bond.
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Rage
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
I registered through ACORN and voted 23 times!
I voted in Kansas, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Guam–twice!
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Damn, bro, I’m seriously jealous; Guam? I ain’t voted there since 1969. I had to bring a fruitbat to the polling site out at Talofofo Falls.
capnamerica……..lovely math…………is this why you are so out of touch?
CapnAmerica
Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:59 pm | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q9NSVUu8nk
Here’s a video of a WVA poll worker trying to explain that a vote switching electronic machine just needs to be “recalibrated.”
Strangely, after he “recalibrates” it, it keeps doing the same thing.
Yeah.
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That’s my new part-time job, re-calibrating voting machines in the swing states. I do this by having the election office managers put their key cards into my special ‘key card’ device remote monitoring station and (ouila!) the proper instancing of the vote is done.
(chortles)
Voted this evenng. Quite a crowd there – and they told me it was busy all day. Good turnout.
Political_mama
Posted October 28, 2008 at 7:07 am | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SFu7NUekwM
Poor Faux news chick meltdown. Betcha they don’t have HIM on again. Maybe O’Lielly will have him on so they can just cut his mic.
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Awesome video. What Burton pulled off is very, very difficult to do, takes enormous talent to go to the other team’s homefield and, in the face of rampant misconduct (her volume was louder than his, she interrupted multiple times while crying about being interrupted herself, for example) by the officials (Barbie), remain cool, calm, and walk away with a W.
Very impressive. If this is an indication of the talent employed by Obama, then I am even more pumped after seeing that video than I was an hour ago.
That guy is something. I’ll keep my eye on Bill Burton, that guy’s got a future.
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Pedant
Posted October 28, 2008 at 6:39 pm | Permalink
Political_mama
Posted October 28, 2008 at 7:07 am | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SFu7NUekwM
Poor Faux news chick meltdown. Betcha they don’t have HIM on again. Maybe O’Lielly will have him on so they can just cut his mic.
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Awesome video. What Burton pulled off is very, very difficult to do, takes enormous talent to go to the other team’s homefield and, in the face of rampant misconduct (her volume was louder than his, she interrupted multiple times while crying about being interrupted herself, for example) by the officials (Barbie), remain cool, calm, and walk away with a W.
Very impressive. If this is an indication of the talent employed by Obama, then I am even more pumped after seeing that video than I was an hour ago.
That guy is something. I’ll keep my eye on Bill Burton, that guy’s got a future.
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I didn’t see a meltdown. I saw a very capable journalist control the situation of a bloviating markist-head.
By the way, Obama is speaking at Harbor Park about 150 minutes from now. That’s about 3 miles from where I sit here writing this.
On the commute home this evening I drove over the traffic into the Harbor Park, and it was C R U S H I N G.
I just hope the home of the dang Norfolk Pilots doesn’t sink into the James River under the weight of what’s sure to be a raucous crowd.
didn’t see a meltdown. I saw a very capable journalist control the situation of a bloviating markist-head.
Hehehe, Christ, that’s hilarious!
Spending 90% of the “interview” defending Fox News is not “journalism,” and hysterically attacking a guy who calmly responds is not “controlling the situation.”
It’s full-blown panic.
P.S. In fact, it looked more like he was interviewing her. . .
More re the phony “redistribution” attack from Faux and McCain, from Bill Burton and others.
‘Obama Camp Pushes Back On Interpretation Of Radio Remarks’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/27/obama-camp-pushes-back-on_n_138157.html
“Obama spokesman Bill Burton had to shrug and point out the obvious: “In the interview, Obama went into extensive detail to explain why the courts should not get into that business of ‘redistributing’ wealth.
Obama’s point — and what he called a tragedy — was that legal victories in the Civil Rights led too many people to rely on the courts to change society for the better.” ”
‘Obama advisor pushes back on ‘redistribution’ ‘
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Obama_advisor_pushes_back_on_redistribution.html?showall
“What the critics are missing is that the term ‘redistribution’ didn’t mean in the Constitutional context equalized wealth or anything like that. It meant some positive rights, most prominently the right to education, and also the right to a lawyer…What he’s saying – this is the irony of it – he’s basically taking the side of the conservatives then and now against the liberals.”
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Rage
Posted October 28, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink
didn’t see a meltdown. I saw a very capable journalist control the situation of a bloviating markist-head.
Hehehe, Christ, that’s hilarious!
Spending 90% of the “interview” defending Fox News is not “journalism,” and hysterically attacking a guy who calmly responds is not “controlling the situation.”
It’s full-blown panic.
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I find myself an astute judge of character and the young woman journalist did just fine.
I heard something cool today:
Rosa sat so Martin could walk,
Martin walked so Obama could run,
Obama’s running so our youth can fly.
“I find myself an astute judge of character and the young woman journalist did just fine.”
Why is it that when someone is THAT angry and out of control…she’s seen as “doing fine” by the right wing mindset? Pathetic.
No offense Mary, but boy is that cheesy.
I think it’s cool!!!
BTW, I voted today…there was a real crowd there, so I did a paper ballot and got in and out in less than 15 minutes.
Heh
The only way little Megan could have embarrassed herself further would be if she had threatened to hold her breath.
I’m mailing my vote in.
I want to be free to monitor a polling place on election day.
I’m mailing mine in tomorrow. It is neat to be able to take the time to consider and research the choices.
And no, I didn’t vote a straight party ticket.
Mailed mine a week ago.