It’s exactly what so many people feared. The National Security Agency’s secret surveillance program didn’t just listen in on phone calls of terrorists, as President Bush assured. It also monitored phone conversations by American military personnel and U.S. aid workers who have nothing to do with terrorism, two military whistle-blowers claim. Not only that, intercept officers passed around recordings of intimate phone conversations. What fun.
The eavesdropping law has changed, and the government is now required to get a court order before listening in on Americans conversations. But is that happening?
“When they say trust us, ‘we’re not listening in on Americans’ – this shows that they are,” said Jennifer Granick of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a group that has been trying to stop warrantless eavesdropping programs. “This should be of concern to everybody.”
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How’s that war on terra coming along Republicans? Glad to know that the billions and billions of dollars being spent are wasted on things like listening to phone sex calls. It’s time to move over and let the responsible adults take over.
Get a grip BrowLib, the military has been listening in on military phone calls for decades.
What part of ’search and seizure’ on DOD facilities, including communications do you not understand?
As far as U.S. Aid workers, if you go into a declared hostile fire zones, you fall under the same ’search and seizure’ procedures as anyone else.
Stop whining, it’s been this way since wireless and electronic communication existed.
The Red Cross isn’t part of the military Regular.
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Maggotpunk
Posted October 12, 2008 at 6:49 am | Permalink
The Red Cross isn’t part of the military Regular.
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If you go on a military installation or in a military controlled zone, everyone is subject to ’search and seizure’ as governed by the military.
Comsec (Communications security) and Opsec (Operations Security) are tantamount for any military operation.
It has always been this way, deal with it.
The U.S. Military isn’t a terrorist organization Regular. I know you’re a big government Republican (redundant) who doesn’t care about legality but spying on Americans requires a court order. Once again the Bush regime racks up another crime.
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Maggotpunk
Posted October 12, 2008 at 7:05 am | Permalink
The U.S. Military isn’t a terrorist organization Regular. I know you’re a big government Republican (redundant) who doesn’t care about legality but spying on Americans requires a court order. Once again the Bush regime racks up another crime.
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Wrong!
Once you go into a Military zone or on a military installation, you are subject to search and seizure.
You still retain your rights, but search and seizure laws as it applies to the previously mentioned are enacted and it has always been this way.
From the article which you clearly haven’t read:
“The recently adopted eavesdropping law requires the government to get court permission to listen in on American phone and computer communications anywhere in the world.”
Don’t you have some Jews to gas anti-Semite?
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Maggotpunk
Posted October 12, 2008 at 7:11 am | Permalink
From the article which you clearly haven’t read:
“The recently adopted eavesdropping law requires the government to get court permission to listen in on American phone and computer communications anywhere in the world.”
Don’t you have some Jews to gas anti-Semite?
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There have been ‘electronic listening posts’ before I was in the military and will continue to be.
This is a known fact, nothing new.
The NSA isn’t an electronic listening post. Do you even know what you are talking about? Lay off the Jack Daniels this early in the morning.
From the Electronic Frontier Foundation article
A Senate panel is probing claims top secret government workers eavesdropped on communications from American service members, journalists and aid workers overseas.
Communications that goes on in, around and through Military zones are monitored, deal with it.
It has always been that way.
And yes, they use listening posts, on land, sea and air.
Or did you think they just sort of float around listening in?
Now who didn’t see this coming? Once again this republican administration has abused it’s power.
Typical response from a big government Republican who has no problem with secret police, “deal with it.” That’s probably what your Nazi buddies told the Jews you were happy to see die in the Holocaust, anti-Semite.
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Maggotpunk
Posted October 12, 2008 at 7:26 am | Permalink
Typical response from a big government Republican who has no problem with secret police, “deal with it.” That’s probably what your Nazi buddies told the Jews you were happy to see die in the Holocaust, anti-Semite.
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Yeah, anti-semite – that’s the second time you’ve written that. Where does that come from and what does it have to do with the topic? I’m not anti-semite btw.
The accusations are from overseas locations, all around military installations and military controlled zones.
If anyone and I do mean anyone goes into those said military zones or installations, they will be monitored.
It
has
always
been
that
way.
“As feared, government has listened in on Americans”
I wonder why Mr. Brownlee would write that headline statement when there are only allegations, which have been denied. As a lefty though, Mr. Brownlee is solid on the principle that the ends justify the means.
Very irresponsible ahem… “journalism”.
Interesting, the NSA was recording audio sex tapes and passing them around the office for titilation and humor. Have to break up the monotonomy some way. Your tax dollars at work.
Yeah, my son called me the other day from Argentina. No doubt the NSA is at this moment desperately trying to decipher the hidden code in “Happy Bithday.”
“Bush assured. It also monitored phone conversations by American military personnel”
A good way to make sure that such personnel only say nice thing about their masters. Better not say anything bad about the CiC since “Big Brother is Listening”
Maggotpunk
Posted October 12, 2008 at 6:07 am | Permalink
How’s that war on terra coming along Republicans? Glad to know that the billions and billions of dollars being spent are wasted on things like listening to phone sex calls. It’s time to move over and let the responsible adults take over
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Not really convinced there are any reposible adults running for office. Oh well,no matter who wins it will be more of SOS just a different day
The eavesdropping law has changed, and the government is now required to get a court order before listening in on Americans conversations.
If only that were so, Phillip. It’s not true.
In fact, the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 substitutes a general “certification” in place of a court order. All the NSA has to do is tell the judge that the target of the surveillance is likely to be outside of the US. The law in fact even has specific language mandating that no information about the specific communications systems or their location(s) need to be disclosed.
The judge’s rule is reduced to a rubber stamp, but if the judge still refuses to approve the surveillance, provisions in the act allow it to continue during appeals for up to one year.
The law that was passed earlier this year pretty much retroactively legalized the practices you are reading about today.
Reguliar is a friggin’ Nazi apologist. Jeez. Brainwashed, mindless zombies everywhere. We need a cleansing.
“The camel’s nose under the tent” I believe that was brought up before and this is not a surprise to me.
Unless the country is over run by the terrorists, listening into all communications is not only a waste of time and money. But literally a violation of the very concepts of the Constitution but this is old news and as it is noted. No one wants to hear the news anymore its just too depressing.
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Pleefer
Posted October 12, 2008 at 11:25 am | Permalink
Reguliar is a friggin’ Nazi apologist. Jeez. Brainwashed, mindless zombies everywhere. We need a cleansing.
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Nope, just telling the facts as they are in overseas military locations and zones.
Of course this problem too, will go away once Obama/Biden take office.
The democrat president and the democrats running congress will once again restore our constitutional rights to privacy.
Right? RIGHT!!?!!!