At a panel discussion at the University of Kansas’ School of Journalism, Democratic media adviser Raymond Strother said that race could be a larger factor than people think in the presidential election. He said past elections show that voters are influenced by race more than they are willing to admit.
But political pundit Walter Shapiro of Salon.com said that youth turnout, which Barack Obama tapped in the primaries, could play the crucial role.
“Every day an Archie Bunker is leaving the planet and a new 18-year-old, who grew up in an America that preached the virtues of tolerance and is surrounded by tolerance, is able to vote,” he said.
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Will youth or race determine election?
Interesting, a question that proves the dems have no idea why they can’t win a national election.
Gore, too liberal for America. Kerry, more liberal that Gore. Little Barry, off the scale liberal.
In 2012 the dems might have a chance, there is no one to run that is to the left of Barry.
“Will youth or race determine this 2008 election?”
Neither … it will be middle class Ameericans, of all cultures, and all ages, who will go to the polls to vote for the candidates they think will preserve American institutions as much as possible without too much change.
The liberals are coming, Hank. Be very, very afraid.
hehehe
I ain’t sceered of no liberals!
Palin = pale one.
Whatever happened to issues and character, the whole substance of what a candidate stands for, how he/she lived their lives, what they did for our country such as their voting record in the past, what they intend to do for our country and what values they believe in and yes, even military experience when one exists.
When the MSM start telling us that WE the people are voting based on race, sex, age, etc. just know that they the MSM have stooped to the level of grade school when it was boys against the girls in voting for a classmate. Don’t let the MSM fool you into thinking that the average American votes based on such childish antics, believe it or not most of Americans are smarter than the MSM thinks we are.
Maybe the MSM will one day become as intelligent as the average American citizen and start realizing that we Americans know what we want and we don’t need them to tell us what it is. They still think they have the power to influence us even after they failed in 2000 and in 2004 and they are ready to fail again in 2008. We will vote the way WE want, not the way THEY want.
“Maybe the MSM will one day become as intelligent as the average American citizen and start realizing that we Americans know what we want and we don’t need them to tell us what it is. They still think they have the power to influence us even after they failed in 2000 and in 2004 and they are ready to fail again in 2008. We will vote the way WE want, not the way THEY want” — the wefu
And yet, the wefu is constantly crowing that Fox Cable News draws more viewers than all other cable news programs combined, and Rush has 20 million listeners.
It appears the majority of American working people are now anti-union. Just how stupid can you get? If Wal-mart took the urinals out of its restrooms and ordered its male employees to piss sitting down, they’d do it.
HLP
Posted September 10, 2008 at 6:43 am | Permalink
hehehe
I ain’t sceered of no liberals!
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You should be, we’re going to take some of your money (more correctly, your spouse’s money) and give it to poor people.
A whole generation has grown through their teen years in the misery that is george bush.
Vote young people! Take back your government from business and make it work for you!
Oh great. Davis thinks he’s Robin Hood.
Lose the tights, Steven.
Well, if you watched the republican convention, you would notice that the majority, 99 percent, of the people there were white. If you watched the democratic convention, about 50 percent were white and 50 percent were black. There is no doubt that race is playing a part in this election. Youth is somewhat of a factor, but, not as much.
“Every day an Archie Bunker is leaving the planet and a new 18-year-old, who grew up in a dumbed down America that preached to by liberal professors the virtues of self hate and is surrounded by white apologist, is able to vote,”.
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There,I fixed it.
peeper, why would a black woman vote for a black man?
The DimLibs unleashed a grotesquely lurid series of allegations, fantasies, half-truths and outright lies about Palin. What a tacky low in American politics — which has already caused a backlash that could damage Obama’s campaign.
Liberals show themselves to be childish, raving loonies again.
By Camille Paglia, a liberal writer that got it right for once:
“A feminism that cannot admire the bravura under high pressure of the first woman governor of a frontier state isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit.
I am still waiting for substantive evidence that Sarah Palin is a dangerous extremist. I don’t see her arrival as portending the end of civil liberties or life as we know it.”
Neither … it will be middle class Americans, of all cultures, and all ages, who will go to the polls to vote for the candidates they think will preserve American institutions as much as possible without too much change.
Yup.
Relying on the “youth vote” has been a problem for every candidate who does so. The problem is basic: on election day, the “youth” don’t show up.
beber – I don’t know what the “black penalty” will be; I don’t doubt that it exists. No one here revels in that; our history of racism is this country’s great shame. However, that penalty, whatever it is, will be offset to some degree, however, by the “black bonus;” blacks and some others who will vote for Obama because he’s black. Such a bonus for such reason is of course equally racist.
Bottom line, of course, is that all this is total speculation. We shall see.
“Well, if you watched the republican convention, you would notice that the majority, 99 percent, of the people there were white. If you watched the democratic convention, about 50 percent were white and 50 percent were black. There is no doubt that race is playing a part in this election. Youth is somewhat of a factor, but, not as much.” — rsmueller
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When you were looking at those people at the conventions did you notice the ages? Age was as evident as race — old people at one, all ages at the other.
My children and grandchildren (I have two grandsons voting for the first time), and the people they know are voting Obama. They see that McCain is more bush (maybe worse!). They also see through the Republican talking points to the truth.
Obama will not raise taxes on anyone but the most wealthy. In fact, McCain will raise taxes on more people than Obama, only giving any tax relief to those wealthiest. See charts at links below:
http://tinyurl.com/6yqqm3
http://tinyurl.com/5s4l7j
Obama has diplomatic skills, McCain wants a war or two of his very own. Our country and the world will be much safer under President Obama.
Affordable health care for every American should be a given.
Science should be respected.
Education should be a priority for all Americans not the privileged few.
Everyone deserves civil liberties no matter gender, race, age, sexual or religious persuasion…
Privatize social security and subject payroll deductions to a failing economy — NOPE! This isn’t an issue of older people, but younger ones who see what has happened to our economy under Republican leadership.
They are not hung up on the superiority of one religion / race / gender, and welcome the diversity of Americans — they are much more tolerant than the generations preceding them. In fact, the social issues so many Republicans want to make important in government motivate them AGAINST Republican candidates. These young people recognize religious theocracies and that’s not what they will allow America to become!
Poor Steven,
Has fallen for the rich-against-the-ain’t-rich meme of the democrat elite.
hehehe
They don’t know where I keep my wife’s money.
“The DimLibs unleashed a grotesquely lurid series of allegations, fantasies, half-truths and outright lies about Palin. What a tacky low in American politics — which has already caused a backlash that could damage Obama’s campaign.” — the wefu
While yesterday, the wefu published a long list of baseless attacks on Michell Obama. If the polls shift, you’ll be on the pickaninnies next. Your sixteen years of hysterical lies about Hillary leave you in a poor position from which to cast stones.
Obama will not raise taxes on anyone but the most wealthy.
Bullshit.
Simple math – Obama CANNOT pay for the programs he says he wants without taxing the middle class. Can’t be done. The “most wealthy” don’t have it -even if you confiscated their entire income. There just ain’t enough of the “most wealthy.”
No, to pay for “universal” health care, for expanded education subsidies, for energy research subsidies, etc. etc. etc., Obama must either 1) tax the middle class (that’s where the money is) or, 2) not do the programs he’s proposing.
He cannot do both.
PS. The same is true for McCain to a lesser extent.
“Will youth or race determine this 2008 election?”
Neither. It is whomever paid Diebold the most…
What is the plan to pay for the 8 year “Borrowing Fest” we have been experiencing? I don’t recall that being addressed.????
Oh. My. God.
Well, GMC, I admit I know people with superior ideas and thoughts who don’t accept any limits to their thinking, especially the “what has been.”
lindainks55
Posted September 10, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink
Well, GMC, I admit I know people with superior ideas and thoughts who don’t accept any limits to their thinking
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Her third grade class…….
The youth will show up as long as there are no parties, some HBO show isn’t on, they aren’t sleeping in and the lines are not long.
Substitute youth for new black voters in the above sentence.
Aside from that, there are already quite a few black voters that have stated Obama does not have enough experience.
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lindainks55
Posted September 10, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink
Well, GMC, I admit I know people with superior ideas and thoughts who don’t accept any limits to their thinking, especially the “what has been.”
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lmao
The “I can look down my nose” crowd no doubt.
The youth speak (or at least one representative. I would not consider him a representative of a large number of the youth whom I hold in high esteem. In any case, here it is:
“Alaska? Alaska? Alaska? Alaska. Ala—Come on, man. I don’t even know if there’s any black people in Alaska. What in the ****? Alaska? You’re bugging the **** out. Sarah Palin, you ain’t ready to be vice president. Alaska Motherf***er? What is the reality in Alas—? There’s not even no crackheads in Alaska! There’s not even no black people. There’s not even no like—crime or, uh, uh like—Foreign policies, you all may be versed on foreign—foreign policies. You all need to get versed on black policies and youth policies. We the future.” —Obama supporter, rapper and producer Sean “Diddy” Combs “
littlejohn
Posted September 10, 2008 at 9:38 am
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Maybe if they had a “community organizer” they could get some of those things…..you know, black people, crimes, crackheads, black policies…..
good point diddy….
lindainks55
Posted September 10, 2008 at 9:20 am | Permalink
Well, GMC, I admit I know people with superior ideas and thoughts who don’t accept any limits to their thinking, especially the “what has been.”
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That’s called “fantasy,” Linda. And it is what the Obama tax plan is, if he intends to pay for the programs he proposes.
I posted two links from among dozens I could have posted, GMC. You have any links or just your mantra of what has always been will always be. Moving beyond that limited thinking is Obama’s plan. What does McCain have, GMC? Overandover you slam Obama without once bringing anything to the table to show us why you support McCain. We understand you don’t support Obama, is that all you have? You support McCain because he isn’t Obama? Do you have anything other than criticisms?
Back to the topic introduced on this thread. Our youth are capable of thinking beyond what has always been. In fact, are motivated by Obama to movee beyond what Republicans have wrought.
Sure lindalinks,
I’ve posted this link several times for John McCain on where he stands on the issues.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Undecided/WhyMcCain.htm
Just trying to cut down the scroll factor on the blog.
Moving beyond that limited thinking is Obama’s plan.
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It’s apparant, however, that that “thinking” you tout does not include basic math and accounting.
Frankly, I’m not a fan of either candidate. Neither thinks outside the box much. Obama, probably more than McCain, but Obama’s box, despite the calls for ‘new ideas,’ is the usual leftist claptrap.
I evaluate a candidate on the basis of how much damage they are likely to do. And because McCain/Palin is much more experienced (hell, Palin alone has more relevant experience than Obama, and experience with the Joyce foundation – I know what they do – is a minus, not a plus), they are likely to do less damage.
From wiki:
Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in early 1993. He served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund Obama’s DCP, from 1993–2002, and served on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation from 1994–2002. Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999. He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.
That’s a lot of executive experience. While Palin was busy firing librarians and law enforcement in her Stalinist purges, Obama was being a real leader.
I doubt serving on a board counts as executive experience. It may have some executive functions, but one does not lead, but decide by majority vote of the board.
Mayors of a town have to meet and compromise with people of all kinds of political ideologies, work a budget, make decisions on employment, constructions issues, town resources and etc. etc. That is leading and executive experience.
Obama has zero in that category, he voted his way through life as a smaller part of a larger herd and that’s all he’s ever done.
Hank,
No need to worry- I’ve met thousands of people who are to the left of Obama, some so far to the left that they’re to the right of you! As liberals go, Obama is no more scary politically than Kennedy. Mostly he’s racially scary to the whitebread cons, who are beating the racial drum anyway they can.
Regular, a mayor is not a dictator but still has to work with many other people. Obama and Biden have led Senate committees, that is not a different position than a mayor if you are merely focusing on executive experience. No executive acts alone, Palin didn’t, nobody has.
Kennedy was a conservative in many ways. Kennedy also was more appealing to many people because he gave motivational speeches that appealed to Americans, not just liberals.
Obama has spent his entire adult life as a left leaning liberal and trying to mask his leftist background with flipping and flopping.
It ain’t working.
GMC,
“Can’t be done. The “most wealthy” don’t have it -even if you confiscated their entire income. There just ain’t enough of the “most wealthy.””
Actually, if you check the facts, 85% of the wealth of the country is owned by the top 1%. Confiscating that would pay for an awful lot of programs to benefit the other 99%.
“Obama has spent his entire adult life as a left leaning liberal and trying to mask his leftist background with flipping and flopping.”
In Republicanland caring for others and serving your country is considered liberal. I’m proud to be a liberal.
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Jed
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink
GMC,
“Can’t be done. The “most wealthy” don’t have it -even if you confiscated their entire income. There just ain’t enough of the “most wealthy.””
Actually, if you check the facts, 85% of the wealth of the country is owned by the top 1%. Confiscating that would pay for an awful lot of programs to benefit the other 99%.
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Class envy once again.
There is really nothing one can do about wealth distribution and who holds the wealth.
Start hammering the wealthy, they’ll hold back or go off shore accounts.
It must irk the Republicans to know that a person who wears $300,000 outfits and flies in private jets has the same voting power as someone who lives in a trailer and relies on food stamps.
It’s a shame some of the loyalist scum stayed in America after the Revolution. Is there still time to send them packing to Britain?
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Maggotpunk
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:03 am | Permalink
“Obama has spent his entire adult life as a left leaning liberal and trying to mask his leftist background with flipping and flopping.”
In Republicanland caring for others and serving your country is considered liberal. I’m proud to be a liberal.
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Obama was a community organizer. I doubt he got his hands dirty to help the needy and they hungry.
That job falls to the conservatives who don’t mind doing the majority of the work, while the Libs whine and complain their Latte is getting cold.
Liberals drink lattes? McCain had a nine car motorcade in the drive through at Starbucks.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-campaign22-2008aug22,0,2543403.story
I suppose all the liberals were stuck behind his long line of cars.
Regular
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
Kennedy was a conservative in many ways. Kennedy also was more appealing to many people because he gave motivational speeches that appealed to Americans, not just liberals.
Obama has spent his entire adult life as a left leaning liberal and trying to mask his leftist background with flipping and flopping.
It ain’t working.
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I hope we are talking about President Kennedy, not the Senator!
“Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.” This is a conservative ideal and quite the opposite of a posting I read on another McClatchy blog
“Obama will give me something to live for.”
How PATHETIC a life is that?
Well I’m off to go serve my country by doing mundane tasks like stuffing envelopes.
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Mr_Kia
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:01 am | Permalink
Kennedy was a conservative in many ways. Kennedy also was more appealing to many people because he gave motivational speeches that appealed to Americans, not just liberals.
Obama has spent his entire adult life as a left leaning liberal and trying to mask his leftist background with flipping and flopping.
It ain’t working.
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I hope we are talking about President Kennedy, not the Senator!
“Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.” This is a conservative ideal and quite the opposite of a posting I read on another McClatchy blog
“Obama will give me something to live for.”
How PATHETIC a life is that?
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Bobby Kennedy was a dweeb.
Yes, I was referring to President John F. Kennedy.
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Maggotpunk
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:12 am | Permalink
Well I’m off to go serve my country by doing mundane tasks like stuffing envelopes.
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You didn’t say for what cause?
If it’s for a Lib ideology, then that’s all it’s for.
That’s not serving your country.
Serving your country benefits all, not some selected group.
Georgia Republican Rep. Lynn Westmoreland described Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as “uppity.”
“Just from what little I’ve seen of her and Mr. Obama, Sen. Obama, they’re a member of an elitist-class individual that thinks that they’re uppity,” Westmoreland said.
Asked to clarify that he used the word “uppity,” Westmoreland said, “Uppity, yeah.”
Regular sqwaks >>>
“Mayors of a town have to meet and compromise with people of all kinds of political ideologies, work a budget, make decisions on employment, constructions issues, town resources and etc. etc. That is leading and executive experience.”
Ummmm…. not the the kind of town that she was Mayor of, Regular… Do you remember when Wichita had a City Commission/City Manager form of government?? And the Mayor was elected from the City Commission??
Wasilla, AK, is similar…. The Mayoral position there is largely a figure-head position… public relations, that kind of thing… sort of a “community organizer” ROFL!!!
up·pi·ty (p-t)
adj. Informal
Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one’s station; presumptuous
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/uppity
So what’s the problem?
How about you use the FULL citation there, Sol?? We got enough half truths floating around…
up·pi·ty (p-t)
adj. Informal
Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one’s station; presumptuous: “was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down” New York Times.
Which “airs” and “station” has Obama moved beyond, that he should be called “uppity”??
I used to get extremely angry with my father when he would refer to The Hon. A. Price Woodard, as an “uppity” “N”
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Chas
Posted September 10, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink
Regular sqwaks >>>
“Mayors of a town have to meet and compromise with people of all kinds of political ideologies, work a budget, make decisions on employment, constructions issues, town resources and etc. etc. That is leading and executive experience.”
Ummmm…. not the the kind of town that she was Mayor of, Regular… Do you remember when Wichita had a City Commission/City Manager form of government?? And the Mayor was elected from the City Commission??
Wasilla, AK, is similar…. The Mayoral position there is largely a figure-head position… public relations, that kind of thing… sort of a “community organizer” ROFL!!!
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I don’t recall of reading about a City Manager in Wasilla.
Cite a source, prove your claim.
Chas,
The compete definition was given. Ever use a dictionary before?
Uhm, let’s see, not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem, bastardizing the presidential seal, painting over the American flag on his airplane to replace it with the Obama seal???
Here you go Chas, directly from the City of Wasilla. The Mayor’s duties.
2.16.020 Power and duties of mayor.
A. The mayor is the chief administrator of the city, has the same powers and duties as those of a manager under AS 29.20.005, and shall:
1. Preside at council meetings. The mayor may take part in the discussion of matters before the council, but may not vote, except that the mayor may vote in the case of a tie;
2. Act as ceremonial head of the city;
3. Sign documents on behalf of the city;
4. Appoint, suspend or remove city employees and administrative officials, except as provided otherwise in AS Title 29 and the Wasilla Municipal Code;
5. Supervise the enforcement of city law and carry out the directives of the city council;
6. Prepare and submit an annual budget and capital improvement program for consideration by the council, and execute the budget and capital program as adopted;
7. Make monthly financial reports and other reports on city finances and operations as required by the council;
8. Exercise legal custody over all real and personal property of the city;
9. Perform other duties required by law or by the council; and
10. Serve as personnel officer, unless the council authorizes the mayor to appoint a personnel officer.
B. The mayor may appoint a person to the position of administrative assistant and deputy administrator. If appointed, the positions may not be eliminated during the mayor’s term of office without prior consent of the mayor. (Prior code § 2.16.010)
http://www.codepublishing.com/AK/Wasilla/Wasilla02/Wasilla0216.html#2.16.020
So, GMC, you present your case with no evidence and hope the jury doesn’t see that all you have is circumstantial. Well, Counselor, may work in your court rooms but I have a great deal more confidence in the jury deciding this election. They take their responsibilities seriously, they see who has plans and policies and who has talking points. Even you can’t bring evidence of McCain’s economic policies and who is effected by tax increases to the table. All you have is a circumstantial case based on your opinion.
Every opinion is as good and as useless as the next.
When it takes evidence, Obama is way ahead in the game and actually has a game plan! I think we’ve agreed in the past the ground game, maybe even the electoral college may play a big part in this election.
Off to have lunch at grade school with my youngest grandchild who is in fifth grade. Sad. I guess after this year I’ll be the Grandma at the programs who has no young grandchild. Maybe I can work a deal to sit in with a grandparentless grandchild for events such as today.
Sol –
Let’s not kid ourselves; there are idiots everywhere including, occasionally, Republicans. This was a Georgia representative, apparantly.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/westmoreland-calls-obama-uppity-2008-09-04.html
When the term “uppity” is used in the South, referring to a black man, it’s racist. A Georgia representative knows that. Using that term was, at best, and extremely bad choice of words. And hiding behind the dictionary doesn’t help.
I’m not above criticizing members of my own party when it’s called for. And it’s called for here. Rep. Westmoreland said something incredibly stupid. It sounds like he was given an opportunity to clarify and back away from what he said, and didn’t do so. He knows what that term connotes in the South, unless he’s a complete idiot (he denies he knew of the racial overtones of the term – apparantly he is an idiot). An incredibly dumb thing to say, and impossible to defend.
And Obama, to his credit, declined to ascribe any racial motives to Westmoreland. He ought to get credit where it’s due, and it’s due here.
So Sol, you can try to defend the statement; I won’t.
Linda –
Most cases are circumstantial – and they win. There is no qualitative difference between circumstantial evidence and direct evidence. Often, circumstantial evidence is the most damning.
While I’m not a math whiz, I’m not an idiot. And Obama’s tax plan vs. his program proposals simply do not add up; not even close. If you believe that Obama can fund his additional spending proposals and give 95% of Americans a tax cut, as he says, you’re an idiot.
And, as I said, to a lesser degree, the same is true for McCain. But then, campaigns always live in fantasyland, to a great extent, making promises the candidates know they cannot meet.
BTW – congrats on your g-kids. My oldest just married, I’m probably not too far away from my first g-child. I’m looking forward to guiltless spoiling of children!
outlander
Posted September 10, 2008 at 7:52 am | Permalink
Oh great. Davis thinks he’s Robin Hood
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Mike,
Just trying to reverse the trend of Hood Robin, AKA GWBush, who stole from the poor and gave to the rich. :)
Ummmm…. not the the kind of town that she was Mayor of, Regular… Do you remember when Wichita had a City Commission/City Manager form of government??
Palin hired a City Manager for Wasilla. So just how much work did she do? I’m not saying she did nothing, but I’d be interested to know specifics about her job. Until then, her mayorship duties are sketchy.
Linda,
Follow up on your idea to be the “Grandma without a grandchild” who might be able to sit with a child without a grandparent present. I believe there is a way to do so, and the building administration will even cooperate in making such an arrangement.
GMC,
Congratulations (belated) to your oldest. If your children are like ours, it may be a while before there are any g-children to spoil. :-)
That’s nice, Regular — I function in almost all of those categories, depending on how large, and which “brand” of denomination I am serving at the time…
IOW, I function as a CEO in many congregations… I wouldnt rank it as way UP there, as far as executive experience goes… I normally appoint committees to assist with those duties, so as NOT to act in a unilateral fashion…
I’ve served as Chair on several different non-profit corporate Boards… I find MUCH more executive experience on those, than I do in being a CEO for a congregation…
Others might have different experiences….
Thanks for that input, PreD… :-)
Pre, it appears from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasilla,_Alaska#Government that Wasilla has a mayor-council form of city governance. The provisions of the Wasilla City Code posted by Regular support this as well.
Clearly, the Council is the governing body; the mayor is given certain responsibilities under the code, but it appears to me that the power lies within the City Council.
Linda – you want “evidence?”
Here ya go. Of course, your Google works as well as mine . . .
“Obama’s Trillion-Dollar Spending Plan”
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/2/14/obamas-trillion-dollar-spending-plan.html
“Obama’s Tx Plan Would Balloon Deficit”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/09/AR2008080901860_pf.html
Does anybody know off hand, what % of lands in Alaska are Fed owned?? Just curious…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska says 65%, Chas.
“Has fallen for the rich-against-the-ain’t-rich meme of the democrat elite.”
I like this: a Republican calling a middle class Democrat who works for a living “elitist”. “Priceful.”
Of course it is also a lie that Bush cut taxes on the rickest Americans – that really did not happen.
http://www.cbpp.org/9-19-05tax.htm :)
Lunch with Madeline was fun as always. We ate in the art room — grandparents overwhelmed the available space and we didn’t follow schedules as well as students do so we weren’t moving in and out as “scheduled.” They are studying portraits in art — currently working on proportion of facial features. Three fingers wide for each eye, with three fingers between… Famous works of Masters were being used as examples — Lady with a Fan, Mona Lisa… And the students art was fantastic! Boy, I love grade school — everything about it, the excitement, the enthusiasm, eagerness, happiness, innocence…
During our lunchtime visiting I asked if she was learning anything and of course she answered, “Yes.” So I asked what was the latest new knowledge. She answered, “Exponents,” with some braggadocio in her voice. My next question was asking her to define an exponent. She gave me a long look before saying, “I want to answer the first question differently. Powers.” I’m betting she has a good grasp of base and power and isn’t so confident about exponents.
The best part of the exchange is she didn’t know how easily she could have fooled the old Grandma!
Thanks Tolle!!
Maybe I can work a deal to sit in with a grandparentless grandchild for events such as today.
::waving wildly:: I’m not grandchildless, but I’m always happy to share grandparently duties. :)
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Chas
Posted September 10, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
That’s nice, Regular — I function in almost all of those categories, depending on how large, and which “brand” of denomination I am serving at the time…
IOW, I function as a CEO in many congregations… I wouldnt rank it as way UP there, as far as executive experience goes… I normally appoint committees to assist with those duties, so as NOT to act in a unilateral fashion…
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The simplest way to describe executive is to make a comparison to a military structure or for that matter, any management function.
Line and Staff:
Line are those who have direct responsibilities and duties when it comes to running the policies, implementing the policies, managing money, manpower and equipment.
Examples:
Officers in the Military that are in Line positions
Presidents, Governors, Mayors
CEO’s of Companies and etc.
Staff are those who have indirect responsibilities and duties when it comes to providing support, ancillary duties while important to the mission are not policy makers when it comes to the final outcome.
Examples:
Congressmen/women, Chaplains, Board Officers, Attorneys, and etc.
Your job as a Minister Chas, is a staff position. Obama’s jobs as community organizer and Senator are staff positions. They do not fall into the executive or line positions of management. If Obama was a University President, he would be an executive. Those serving under him arer in a staff position.
The Mayor of Wichita or any other Mayor is an executive position. The police, District Attorney’s office, Civil Engineers are all staff positions.
painting over the American flag on his airplane to replace it with the Obama seal???
Sol,
Do me a big favor and research this one. The American flag on the tail of the plane was part of the logo of the company of the former owners, not just an American flag.
Here is a You Tube of Obama giving Hillary the finger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOFp-RDpvM
Youth or race? Are you calling us “racists” again?
I am ready to vote for a Black person. Hell, I have RECRUITED Black candidates, for the Republican Party.
However, I am not for a radical liberal who was trained by terrorists and Marxists and who is very sympathetic to Islamic radicals.
America is not ready, either!
As far as “youth” is concerned? Palin is younger than Obama, while Palin is ALSO more experienced, than Obama.
Obama has obviously called Palin a “pig” — and now denies that point — even though his AUDIENCE made the connection, right away!
Obama must think that he must be juvenile and immature, in order to “win” the “youth vote”!
Youth or race, it won’t be the vote count.
Not if the demorats have anything to say about it!
“He said past elections show that voters are influenced by race more than they are willing to admit.”
True. But the folks who have such issues are all Republicans and would not vote for Obama anyway.
BlueJay says
“True. But the folks who have such issues are all Republicans and would not vote for Obama anyway.”
Apparently some are not on the same page, unless P Daddy is really a Republican
“There’s not even no black people. There’s not even no like—crime or, uh, uh like—Foreign policies, you all may be versed on foreign—foreign policies. You all need to get versed on black policies and youth policies. We the future.”” —Obama supporter, rapper and producer Sean “Diddy” Combs “
Oh BLue Jay, here’s another one for race based voting
“It’s OK to vote for Obama because he’s black
I’m voting for Obama because he’s qualified, charismatic and progressive — but his blackness seals the deal.
By Gary Kamiya
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Feb. 26, 2008 | I admit it: I’m voting for Barack Obama because he’s black. Yes, I’m voting for him because he’s qualified, intelligent, charismatic and competent — and because unlike Hillary Clinton, he opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. But if he weren’t black, and Hillary had opposed the war, I’d probably vote for her because of her greater experience. In any case, it’s a moot point, because if Obama weren’t black, he would not be the Democratic front-runner.
I believe that most of Obama’s supporters are voting for him for the same reason. Like me, they’re drawn to his idealism, his youthful energy, his progressive politics. But it’s his blackness that seals the deal.
And that’s OK. In fact, it’s wonderful.”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/02/26/obama/
Guess Republicans aren;t the only one who care about race. Huh.
More about racebased voting
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22859978/
Ummm Regular??? Your statement here???
“Your job as a Minister Chas, is a staff position.”
That statement is pure BS…. AS I STATED, depending on the denomination I am serving in at the time, sometimes I AM the CEO…. Sorry, dude, thats the way the By-Laws read..
And when I serve as Chair of a Corporate Board for a non-profit corp., THAT too is an executive position…. And the same would be true of Obama….
Sorry, man, but YOU dont get to define what “executive” means in any job but your own…. SOME of us here KNOW what the title CEO means….
I also know what a Staff Position is… In some groups, my contract defines me as Chief of Staff…. which puts me in the executive role, since the Staff are UNDER my little box on the flow chart…
“Obama has obviously called Palin a “pig” — and now denies that point — even though his AUDIENCE made the connection, right away!”
Where in your little racist mind did Obama call the anti-Semitic Palin a pig? Sure she is the Queen of Pork getting $27 million in federal earmarks for her city by hiring a lobbyist with connections to Jack Abramoff, but if you read the actual quote Obama wasn’t calling Palin a pig.
“Obama has obviously called Palin a “pig” — and now denies that point — even though his AUDIENCE made the connection, right away!” [Franklin]
FRANKLIN —- STOP LYING!!!
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/both-campaigns-used-lipstick-quip/167931?icid=200100397×1208964077x1200518340
Obama does NOT call Palin a PIG at any point in this thing…. Good God, man, get your ears cleaned out!! Get your brain shampooed…. do something!! I cant STAND your friggin LIES anymore!!!
Chas, I think Paul gets paid per lie.
Maggot, it would certainly appear that way…
Every pro-abortion candidate is racist, because Planned Parenthood and other abortion mills have been targeting the black race for population reduction through abortion for decades. Now Obamanation thinks he will be their Judas Goat.
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Criminal, racist Wichita, KS abortionist quack George Tiller is flagrantly continuing to schedule illegal post-viable abortions. Last Monday, a 17-year-old New Mexico Hispanic girl, who would have been permanently scarred physically, emotionally, and spiritually by a post-viable 3-day contract killing at 27 weeks gestation, was diverted and persuaded at the pro-life Choices Medical Clinic next door to Tiller’s abortion mill to keep her baby. She was persuaded, in part, by the ultrasound pictures of her fully formed baby that would likely have been denied her viewing in Tiller’s abortion mill, notorious for violating medical standards of informed consent, since most mothers cancel an abortion after an ultrasound viewing. Or possibly, Tiller might offer the ultrasound for the usual up-front fee of $400 in addition to the $7000 cost of the post-viable abortion, if he were confident his intended victim would know of no other available option besides legalized infanticide.
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“Whenever the victim is a child, we’re the only voice that child has. As a mother, it was heartbreaking to see this little baby left behind to possibly die. I was looking for an explanation.”
. . . Chicago Police Detective Jennifer Ryle, on the investigation of a newborn abandoned in July
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Chicago police have identified a 15-year-old girl as the mother of an abandoned newborn boy found in a grocery bag under a bush in July. Wilson, named after the street where he was rescued, was rushed to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center in serious condition. The mother had left the injured infant to die alone because, having concealed her pregnancy, she was afraid her parents would be angered by the birth, and was ignorant of the 2001 Illinois safe haven law which allows legal abandonment of unharmed newborns up to 7 days old at police and fire stations and hospitals and clinics. Wilson, however, had suffered a skull fracture, cut lip, and bruising, likely from a beating prior to the abandonment. The mother is charged with 2 counts of attempted murder and 1 count of aggravated battery, but will likely get off with a few years detention if tried as a juvenile. Prosecution as an adult would be much more appropriate, considering the heinous, brutal, and selfish nature of the crime.
Police are yet attempting to identify and investigate the father, likely a sexual predator.
This is perhaps evidence of the stability and improved humanitarian conditions that Chicago community organizers have wrought through their political machinations.
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The Montgomery County, PA District Attorney’s Office is deciding whether to file charges against the 29-year-old mother who illegally abandoned her newborn boy Sunday at a fire station flagpole in Plymouth, PA and anonymously called police. Baby Jack is in custody of Montgomery County Children and Youth.
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An abandoned newborn girl was found in the bushes near a North Bay Village, FL apartment building Tuesday morning after a woman went to Jackson-Memorial Hospital with heavy bleeding usually associated with giving birth. Lorena Godinez Perez, 19, likely an illegal alien from Guatemala, denied to police giving birth, and denied being pregnant, or having sexual activities. Doctors had notified police to conduct a search, which turned up the abandoned baby at 2 a.m. The full-term infant girl was treated in serious condition at Jackson-Memorial Hospital, and a part of a plant stuck in her throat was removed. The mother faces attempted murder charges and deportation following a prison term.
“An abandoned newborn girl was found in the bushes near a North Bay Village, FL apartment building”
OBVIOUSLY “evidence of the stability and improved humanitarian conditions that Jeb Bush has wrought through his political machinations”
Jeb isn’t the gov, bth.
Parkay should be happy newborns are being abandoned since they aren’t being aborted. Expect a lot more of babies being left in dumpsters or buried alive with more restrictions on abortion and contraception.
If they think they are going to stop contraception, they will have to outlaw condoms as well…
Can somebody say: NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!
All 50 states have a form of the Safe Haven law.
If you abandon a baby in a dumpster you are either a criminal, insane, retarded, a poor citizen, or a plant by the Democratic Party (tongue in cheek on that last one).
Chas,
Condoms were illegal to sell or possess in Kansas until 1948. Sure it could happen again!
yeah. right.
Lindainks55: Powers and exponents of numbers are essentially the same thing. For example, the third power of the number two would be 2X 2X 2 equals 8. Or the number two with an exponent of 3 would be the same thing 2 to the power of 3 or 2X 2X 2 equals 8. Semantically, the words “power” and “exponents” might be used a little differently but the end result is the same.
Everybody agree?
To Charles or Regular or whoever said the mayor of Wichita is an executive. I respectfully disagree. The Wichita mayor is equivalent of the chairman of the board of the Wichita city council.
But Wichita’s mayor has very little executive power. The Wichita mayor can’t hire anybody, not even his own secretary of administrative assistant. The Wichita mayor has to go “hat in hand” to the city manager to ask for a secretary or whatever.
Under the old Wichita city manager plan dating back to about 1917, and even after changing from a commission to the city council governing body in the 1980’s??, Wichita’s city manager retains most of the executive/administrative powers.
That’s why the mayor’s office is on the first floor of city hall. And the city manager’s office is the entire top floor of city hall with stunning views looking out all four directions of the compass. If you haven’t been up there, you should go … however, the public and taxpayers who theoretically “own” city hall are barred from entry.
Wichita has one of the most conservative city manager governments in the nation. Many people in Wichita feel this should change to give the mayor more powers to put him more on equal footing with the city manager like the general public thinks he already has. But this would take a major overhaul of city and county government to bring them both in line with modern philosophy of local governments across the nation.
Probably not going to happen.
Also to whomever commented on Sarah Palin’s position as mayor in Alaska on either this or the other Sarah Palin thread. I believe she ran her City as chief executive … with NO city manager. Apparently she did have an administrative assistant which is basically the equivalent of the old executive secretary. Even there, as I understand it, she had some disagreement with the incumbent.
If a blogger has better information, I would be interested in your comments.
Chas, Most churches I’ve come in contact with the minister serves at the pleasure of the congregation. Forgive my ignorance but are there churches where the minister can overide the wishes of the congregation?