Thomas Friedman has a simple test for choosing the next president: Which guy can tell people what they don’t want to hear — especially his own base?
Here is what he would like to hear McCain say: “My fellow Americans, I’ve decided for now not to continue the Bush tax cuts, because the most important thing for our country today is to get the government’s balance sheet in order. We can’t go on cutting taxes and not cutting spending. For too long, my party has indulged that nonsense. Second, I intend to have most U.S. troops out of Iraq in 24 months. We have done all we can to midwife democracy there. Iraqis need to take it from here. We need every dollar now for nation-building in America.”
Here is what he would like Obama to say: “The Big Three automakers and the United Auto Workers union want a Washington bailout. The only way they will get a dime out of my administration is if the automakers and unions come up with a joint plan to retool their fleets to get an average of 40 miles per gallon by 2015 — instead of the 35 mpg by 2020 that they’ve reluctantly accepted. I am not going to bail out Detroit with taxpayer money, but I will invest in Detroit’s transformation with taxpayer money, provided the management and unions agree to radical change.”
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Good luck on that one.
It would be nice if one of the candidates would stop pandering to their bases and make a statement like the ones mentioned here.
If either candidate could do that, they would get my vote.
Somehow Thomas Friedman and those of his ilk believe that the govt. has first crack at what we earn then counties, cities, special districts ect. and we get whats left.
I didn’t hear clearly what I wanted to hear on last nights debate. I wanted to hear loudly…No earmarks…loan with no grants and heavy involvement by the FBI and Justice Dept.
On the war I wanted to hear We will never forget 9/11 and we will hunt terrorists like the rabid dogs they are.
Yes, Thomas Friedman from the “tax America first” crowd has drizzled out his opinion.
Boring, time for Democraps to slowly back away from the government trough.
“time for Democraps to slowly back away from the government trough.”
That’s Regular’s dinner table. He’s not wanting to share.
“Terry_CA
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:55 am | Permalink
…On the war I wanted to hear We will never forget 9/11 and we will hunt terrorists like the rabid dogs they are.”
That sounds great.
Just who are the terrorists, though? I would like to begin hunting them yet this morning, so if you would describe them to me so I know if I see any that would be very helpful.
Tax and spenders are codified by a quote from Tip O’Neil the former Speaker of The House of Reps.”All politics is local” Did Wichita get a new bridge? Or did Sacramento Calif. where I live get a flood control project?
I think global lookers such as us bloggers look to far forward LOL
brian_nuevo you have a deal ….btw doesn’t pheasant season start in Kansas soon? I’ll flush them while you shoot that way we can stay in practice while I pick out Al Qaeda,Hamas and Hezbollah…I’ll bring lunch
This current Congress is the lowest rated in history. I’m glad taxes were lower, it’s my money. Too bad the stupid politicians want to take more of it and give it away. They can not past a bill without earmarks. We are war with terrorists(those who want to kill us and our way of life) and thanks to McCain’s help we were able to bring IRAQ under control. War on terrorists in the #1 issue for me. Wish I could say the same to the outrageous lib NYT, of course they are going broke like all the other lib news papers.
I agree George we have won in Iraq thanks to a few brave politicians who have stood up and insisted on winning McCain being one. There is still more to do
As far as the NYT look at their circulation over the past 5 years. All the news that’s fit to print is now all the news that we can afford to print. The Old Grey Lady she ain’t what she used to be.
I find it hilarious how coalition conservative bloggers here dismiss Thomas Friedman as a “tax America first” (although truth be told, I am not sure that Regular is so much a coalition conservative rather than a right leaning troll who enjoys pushing the buttons of “lefties”) or big government liberal, because it demonstrates just how extreme and shallowly reflexive they have become, and just how simplistic their view of the world is (”if someone tells us what we don’t want to hear, they are a librul”).
I would go further than Friedman. I would say that McCain and Obama both should say “No tax cuts, period”, and a presumptive across the board freeze on spending except for identified priority areas (McCain was close to getting it right, although Obama’s point that McCain’s proposal was a bit simplistic and that a more measured, scalpal based approach should be well taken).
But, no one has gotten elected saying that we are in a mess, and we all need to feel the pain, outside of wartime.
“Terry_CA
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:19 am | Permalink
brian_nuevo you have a deal ….btw doesn’t pheasant season start in Kansas soon? I’ll flush them while you shoot that way we can stay in practice while I pick out Al Qaeda,Hamas and Hezbollah…I’ll bring lunch”
Yeah, you, me, and Dick Cheney can get our scatterguns and go for a walk in the country.
“Terry_CA
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
I agree George we have won in Iraq thanks to a few brave politicians who have stood up and insisted on winning McCain being one. There is still more to do”
We have done nothing in the last 8 years to ensure the increase safety of US citizens in our own country, and probably made it more unsafe of Americans abroad.
I will know we have done something positive towards the safety of America when I no longer have to take my shoes off when I fly out of the airport in Wichita Kansas and I can carry my bottle of water through security and onto the plane.
And what is the cause of those security measures at airports? It wasn’t liberals,conserveties or even the Green party. Experience Europes airports like Amsterdam where you have to show up 3 hrs before your flight and sit in a room waiting to be interviewed. If you dislike security don’t visit Isreal.
Here’s the CNN poll, conducted among debate-watchers:
Regardless of which candidate you happen to support, who do you think did the best job in the debate — Barack Obama or John McCain?
Obama 51%
McCain 38%
Did _______ do a better or worse job than you expected?
Obama: Better 57%, Worse 20%, Same 23%
McCain: Better 60%, Worse 20%, Same 18%
Next, regardless of which presidential candidate you support, please tell me if you think Barack Obama or John McCain would better handle each of the following issues:
• The war in Iraq: Obama 52%, McCain 47%
• Terrorism: McCain 49%, Obama 45%
• The economy: Obama 58%, McCain 37%
• The current financial crisis: Obama 54%, McCain 36%
Thinking about the following characteristics and qualities, please say whether you think each one better described Barack Obama or John McCain during tonight’s debate:
• Was more intelligent: Obama 55%, McCain 30%
• Expressed his views more clearly: Obama 53%, McCain 36%
• Spent more time attacking his opponent: McCain 60%, Obama 23%
• Was more sincere and authentic: Obama 46%, McCain 38%
• Seemed to be the stronger leader: Obama 49%, McCain 43%
• Was more likeable: Obama 61%, McCain 26%
• Was more in touch with the needs and problems of people like you: Obama 62%, McCain 32%
Based on what _______ said and did in tonight’s debate, do you think he would be able to handle the job of president if he is elected?
Obama 69%-29%
McCain 68%-30%
And the numbers released so far from the CBS poll of undecided debate-watchers: 39% said Obama won, 25% said McCain won, and 36% said it was a draw. Forty-six percent said their opinions of Obama went up, compared to only 31% who said the same about McCain. On the economy, 66% said Obama would make the right decisions, compared to 44% who said the same for McCain.
brian
You are a complete fraud.
You are voting for Obama no matter what McCain or Obama might say in the next few weeks!
“Terry_CA
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:51 am | Permalink
And what is the cause of those security measures at airports? It wasn’t liberals,conserveties or even the Green party. Experience Europes airports like Amsterdam where you have to show up 3 hrs before your flight and sit in a room waiting to be interviewed. If you dislike security don’t visit Isreal.”
I flew into and out of two airports in France over the course of the past two weeks. Didn’t take off my shoes once, got through security as fast as any here in the states.
My point is that this ‘war on terror’ is doing nothing to make the lives of Americans any better or safer.
“You are a complete fraud.”
Hey paulie? Write that down on a strip of paper and tape it to your bathroom mirror.
Federal Revenues are STILL at all time highs, even though we all expect revenues to decline somewhat, this year.
If Federal Revenues are HIGH, how can you say that tax rates are not at the most efficient level?
It is possible to reduce tax revenue by increasing tax rates.
Remember the old “luxury tax” that put some companies out of business, that build boats?
It is entirely possible to increase tax revenues by reduding tax rates. This has been proven time and time again.
Also, the “rich” pay a higher percentage of total tax revenues, today, than at any other time in history.
BJ
Immitation is the sincerest form of flatterty.
I take the compliment.
I do recall, more than a year ago, I told you to write, “I am looking at my worst enemy” on a piece of paper, and hang it on your mirror.
Wow, you remembered and were really fast on the response!
I flew into and out of two airports in France over the course of the past two weeks. Didn’t take off my shoes once, got through security as fast as any here in the states.
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That’s because France is a safe haven for terrorists and always has been. They are not going to blow up their own backyard.
“Franklin
Also, the “rich” pay a higher percentage of total tax revenues, today, than at any other time in history.”
If that is true, which i doubt, I could only be caused by the fact that the rich have a higher percentage of the country’s total taxable income that at any other time in history.
“Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink
Federal Revenues are STILL at all time highs, even though we all expect revenues to decline somewhat, this year.
If Federal Revenues are HIGH, how can you say that tax rates are not at the most efficient level?
It is possible to reduce tax revenue by increasing tax rates.
Remember the old “luxury tax” that put some companies out of business, that build boats?
It is entirely possible to increase tax revenues by reduding tax rates. This has been proven time and time again.
Also, the “rich” pay a higher percentage of total tax revenues, today, than at any other time in history.”
LMAO!
you are a nut
“Regular
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink
I flew into and out of two airports in France over the course of the past two weeks. Didn’t take off my shoes once, got through security as fast as any here in the states.
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That’s because France is a safe haven for terrorists and always has been. They are not going to blow up their own backyard.”
yeah, safe haven. France. Lots of terrorists hiding there. Sure.
Brilliant response, reflects your vast knowledge of world sociology.
“Also, the “rich” pay a higher percentage of total tax revenues, today, than at any other time in history.”
And they can afford to pay more.
Consider American life in the 50’s.
Isn’t that the time the cons long for? Oh I know, THEY’D like the women barefoot and pregnant again and minorities safely in “their place”. But that isn’t what I mean.
American life was pretty good in the days before the Kennedy and Reagan tax cuts. We can keep the social progress and take economics back to a better time.
brian
You do not know what you are talking about.
More to the point, you do not care that you do not know what you are talking about.
You are motivated by envy.
Some have more than you.
You do not like that.
You want to hurt them, and cut them down to size, with punitive tax rates, regardless of whether or not those tax rates produce more tax revenue, or not.
Your goal is to punish those you do not like.
Your goal is not to promote the American economy.
It is obvious from your posts.
You make wild claims, and present stupid ideas, and you do absolutely no research.
If your goal is to punish the rich, you will only hurt the poor.
The rich do not NEED income.
Punish income, and the rich can keep their money “in a mattress” for all practical purposes, to avoid taxation.
When the rich do not invest, the poor suffer.
I guess Franklin hasn’t kept his eye on Fox News close enough.
Last night, the Fox Focus Group on the debate, a group of completely undecided voters, chose Obama as the debate winner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A
“When the rich do not invest, the poor suffer.”
And when they DO invest?
SOME of them get over greedy, ruin their enterprise and then come begging a government bail out.
Don’t you watch the news Franklin?
By the way liberals:
Please present ONE person who believes that Obama’s economic “plan” is possible, would you?
It is NOT possible to enact all of the new spending programs that Obama supports, without killing the economy.
It is also NOT possible to raise much revenue at all by increasing taxes on those who “make more than $250,000.00″. Besides, Obama is not telling the truth on this one, at all, since, during his short time in the Senate, Obama has promoted raising taxes on those making more than $42,000.00.
And, another look at Obama’s plan: The “Global Poverty Initiative” will take even money out of the American economy and send it to the United Nations.
How can Obama talk about “sending jobs overseas” and then promote sending our MONEY overseas? That money, if it STAYED here, in the USA, would create far more jobs.
Obama has never been asked any tough questions.
Terry–
You talk tough but we’re you in Iraq?
If not, why not?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/debate.poll/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
It’s official–Obama won the debate
Round 1 in debates goes to Obama, poll says
Fifty-one percent of those polled thought Obama did the better job in Friday night’s debate, while 38 percent said John McCain did better.
Men were nearly evenly split between the two candidates, with 46 percent giving the win to McCain and 43 percent to Obama. But women voters tended to give Obama higher marks, with 59 percent calling him the night’s winner, while just 31 percent said McCain won.
Pre
Ya right.
When Frank Luntz did one of those “focus group” deals, in the primary, someone pointed out that an “undecided” voter in one down was also an “undecided voter” in another town, in a different state.
Luntz is interesting sometimes, but “focus groups” by their very make up, are NOT scientific.
And Obama’s problem is with which group?
White men!
So, while I do not buy the CNN poll, I gotta tell you, Obama still sucks with the group that is giving him the most trouble, even with your biased poll.
“during his short time in the Senate, Obama has promoted raising taxes on those making more than $42,000.00.”
Obama specifically stated during the debate that this accusation is a lie. Not surprising that lying liars like Franklin would repeat it.
Keep spinnin’, Franklin.
BrianN–
Nobody takes Regular seriously around here.
Cheap-shotting and vulgar, xenophobic stereotypes are all he’s got.
You know the local bum with the lousy beard smelling of alcohol that hangs around the neighborhood?
Yeah, that’s the role Regular fills here on the WEBlog . . .
Once again, in response to the bullsh*t so freely spread around here and in political discussion, some Fact Check:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/keeping_quiet.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_trade_trickery.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html
I take Regular seriously.
When you liberals throw crap his way he simply gets a dump truck full of crap, runs you over, backs up and then dumps it right back on you.
Then you sit here crying about how Regular treats you.
“Pre
“Ya right.
“When Frank Luntz did one of those ‘focus group’ deals, in the primary, someone pointed out that an ‘undecided’ voter in one town was also an ‘undecided voter’ in another town, in a different state.
“Luntz is interesting sometimes, but ‘focus groups’ by their very make up, are NOT scientific.”
Spin spin spin. The response of a shill when reality in inconvenient to one’s political beliefs.
Note the logic here: Because “someone” once pointed out that an “undecided voter” had been moved from one town to another, that somehow contaminates all focus groups. Please.
Who wants to bet that Franklin would have been saying this about “focus groups” if the focus group had shown advantage McCain?
Right.
CapnAmerica,
I guess you didn’t get much farther than the title of the article did you?
“…and the audience included more Democrats than Republicans.”
…
“It can be reasonably concluded, especially after accounting for the slight Democratic bias in the survey, that we witnessed a tie in Mississippi tonight,” CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib said.”
Kissinger says that Obama was wrong in debate, about Kissinger’s own position on meeting with tyrants, like Obama wants to do:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2091690/posts
Franklin,
But Obama sounded good saying it though, and that is all that matters to the liberals.
Last night during the debate thread, okobserver posted, Why does he keep looking down? Did he sneak in a pocket size teleprompter?
The answer, if she had been paying attention, is that during the debates, the candidates are allowed to take notes. Apparently she didn’t see McCain with pen in hand doing just that. And apparently she didn’t see McCain ALSO looking down at his notes as he replied.
Capn
Obama calls EVERY statement against Obama a “lie” — Obama can not be trusted to define Obama’s own position.
Obama’s stated positions change all the time.
Remember the “sex ed” controversy? It turns out that Obama DID want to give AIDs and STD instruction to kindergartners. It is clear, in the legislation that Obama supported. Yet, Obama called that a “lie” — Obama is a weak source for Obama’s own positions.
We need to look at what Obama has really done, the few times he has not voted “present”!
Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says the United States should begin direct negotiations with Iran over its nuclear enrichment program. Kissinger, speaking Monday at George Washington University along with four other former U.S. State Department secretaries, said the next president should initiate high-level discussions with Iran “without conditions,” ABC News reported.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/16/Kissinger_Open_direct_Iran_talks/UPI-46971221579660/
Again, keep spinnin’, Franklin.
Initial polling on the debate does seem to favor Obama. We’ll see how it looks in a few days. Some commentators have mentioned McCain’s decision not to look at Obama. McCain has an edgy, simmering, sort of borderline agitated component to his personality, but it’s hard to say if that was manifested in his choice to look only at Lehrer. People have all kinds of hidden reasons for what they do in high pressure situations like that. Did McCain even realize it? Perhaps he was simply trying to focus, and the best way to maximize his level of concentration was in looking only at Lehrer. Still, since neither debater made any game changing mistakes, and since both displayed a command of the issues (agree or disagree on their point of view), it might be worth noting that McCain’s decision not to look at his opponent may have sent a negative message to the TV viewer. Obama generally comes across as a nicer, more relaxed guy. When McCain hit him with a point, Obama smiled as though he truly appreciated the humor in the situation. McCain, as I mentioned, seems edgy, borderline uptight, and it’s probably not helping that he’s behind in the polls, that economic news is not good, and that his choice of picking Palin is coming under so much criticism from people of his own political persuasion. It all adds up to a pressure cooker of a debate where he likely felt as though he needed to score a game changer. Or he could be an ego maniac with an inferiority complex running alongside. It’s just impossible to say for sure what was behind his debating posture.
“Predestined” –
And after she met with Kissinger, the Moose-Dresser said he was naive.
Now, Henry K is evil and a war criminal, but “naive?”
Being called “naive” by Palin is like being called “ugly” by a frog.
Pre
Obama said that HE, OBAMA would meet, FACE TO FACE without preconditions.
You are now spinning to get Obama off this hook, and it won’t work.
Obama would give tyrants stature and power by boosting their image on the world stage.
Obama is naive.
To send a dipolmat or middle man to speak with a tyrant is one thing —
But Presidents should NEVER meet an enemy head of state, face to face, WITHOUT preconditons.
Obama was wrong.
Obama knows he was wrong.
That is why Obama is not changing his position and not telling the truth about this latest change in position.
“Nathaniel
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink
I take Regular seriously.”
And with that, Nathan removes ANY doubt as to his relevance here. He has none.
In any nic.
Fact Check: Kissinger Defends McCain’s Iran Stance
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ABC News’ Kirit Radia Reports: Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger came to the defense of longtime friend Sen. John McCain following Friday’s presidential debate saying he “would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level.”
“Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality,” Kissinger said in statement issued by the McCain campaign.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/fact-check-kiss.html
The successful business man BJ is telling everyone how to succeed in life. Give everything you have away and follow me he says. I have heard that before from a much better and smarter man than BJ. This same man said to use your talents wisely. The man who buried his money was chastised.
Still checking out those janitorial services BJ?
Thanks for the Kissinger post. You won’t see that comment in the headlines anywhere. This wasn’t the only gaffe Obama had but was one of the more serious.
Predestined
Posted September 27, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink
Last night during the debate thread, okobserver posted, Why does he keep looking down? Did he sneak in a pocket size teleprompter
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Pred if he hand wasn’t moving he wasn’t taking notes. I know it is hard to see your candidate looking less than stellar. I called it a draw but think as more are looking at this performance they will see the weakness in his style.
Fox new which draws the largest percentage of viewers – more than CNN and MSNBC combined had an interesting poll which showed 84% of their watchers said McCain won handily. I haven’t looked at polls today. Don’t put that much stock in them.
BTW when I checked in last night I saw all of those one line zingers cutting McCain down and so threw in some of my own. Just having a little fun with you libs.
CapnAmerica
Posted September 27, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink
“during his short time in the Senate, Obama has promoted raising taxes on those making more than $42,000.00.”
Obama specifically stated during the debate that this accusation is a lie. Not surprising that lying liars like Franklin would repeat it.
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And Cap if Obama said it during the debate is is gospel isn’t it? Nevermind what he has said previously.
“BTW when I checked in last night I saw all of those one line zingers cutting McCain down and so threw in some of my own.”
Much like Sarah Palin, you’re outta your league.
The bit about miniature teleprompters would tend to suggest that you are also in the process of leaving your mind.
Obama:
“Senator McCain is absolutely right…”
“Senator McCain is right…”
“I agree, Senator McCain is right…”
Seems like Obama made a few good points last night.
Bj when you think you can best me in oneliners lets go for it. You got very tiresome last night. You are a ledgend in your own mind. A hanger on who is like a parasite living off the largress of the rest of us. You drive on our streets, call police and fire services when you have a problem, send you kid to public schools paid for by tax payers dollars and it still isn’t enough for you. You won’t work for ‘the man’ and pay your own taxes and so expect the rest of us to pay for you and in your mind this is noble.
You let me know you are trying to find out who I am and that scares me a little because you are a certifiable flake.
I left last night when you started running Chas Koch down because he didn’t give you any of his money. And oh by the way he inherited it. One of the most giving people in Wichita and YOU find fault. Pathetic.
BlueJay sings…
Rave on…
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Nathaniel
Posted September 27, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink
Obama:
“Senator McCain is absolutely right…”
“Senator McCain is right…”
“I agree, Senator McCain is right…”
Seems like Obama made a few good points last night.
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Of course he did, Nathan. There were many points they both agreed on. The problem was, McCain wouldn’t acknowledge any of them. He insisted Obama just didn’t get it, which he did, but disagreed with McCain. As I said earlier, that’s why we have two people in the running. Maybe some day you will be able to understand it.
McCain is so stuck in his own little closed box, he could never reach across the aisle to work out differences, as shown by his combative attitude. Obama, on the other hand, showed his willingness to work in a bipartisan manner, and that’s what we need in Washington after the Bush administration kept closing door after door, and thus garnering a 28% credibility rating and zero world credibility.
OkObersver,
BlueJay is a coward. What do cowards do? They act all tough when they can hide… like behind a computer.
He goes out and does a drive by looking at Regular rather than face him like a man.
Later he uses that against Regular to make fun of the way he looks.
If BlueJay ever did anything to you, it would be stabbing you in the back when you were not looking.
That is what cowards do.
I wouldn’t be too scared of the little man. Just watch your back.
Obama does not want us to SAY anything that does not agree with Obama.
Obama is a liberal Fascist with no respect for the 1st Amendment:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/obamatruthsquad/index
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Predestined
Posted September 27, 2008 at 11:10 am | Permalink
Again, keep spinnin’, Franklin.
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Oh, he will: Wash, rinse, repeat.
Copy of Obama campaign legal threat letter with threats to broadcastors who run FACTUAL NRA Advertising:
http://www.thebitchgirls.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/obama.pdf
Obama Campaign Threatens Legal Action Over NRA Ads
Friday, September 26, 2008
Campaign and DNC Launch Assault On First Amendment!
Earlier this week, NRA-PVF released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama’s longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama’s real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment.
They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they run NRA-PVF’s ads. They have sent intimidating cease and desist letters to cable operators and television stations, threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.
Obama and the DNC have been using strong-arm tactics reminiscent of Chicago machine politics to try and cover up the truth and silence NRA by forcing the stations to assist them in hiding Obama’s radical anti-gun record.
And now, Obama and the DNC have opened a new front in their assault on your First Amendment rights by calling on their followers to contact these station managers to demand that the stations not run NRA-PVF’s ads.
NRA stands behind the accuracy of these ads, and NRA attorneys have responded to the Obama campaign’s despicable and abusive attempt to trample on the First Amendment by sending a thorough rebuttal to station managers. This rebuttal clearly and conclusively refutes the Obama campaign’s fallacious claims that the ads are inaccurate. For more information, and to see the letter, please click here.
To learn the truth about Barack Obama’s anti-gun record, please visit http://www.GunBanObama.com. This website is loaded with features and information that you, as a gun owner, need to know. This is a must-see website that you will want to pass along to anyone you know who loves freedom and supports the Second Amendment. While you’re there, don’t forget to take the “OMatch,” compatibility quiz to see if you and Barack are a match.”
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=4192
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Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 12:08 pm | Permalink
To learn the truth about Barack Obama’s anti-gun record, please visit http://www.GunBanObama.com. This website is loaded with features and information that you, as a gun owner, need to know. This is a must-see website that you will want to pass along to anyone you know who loves freedom and supports the Second Amendment. While you’re there, don’t forget to take the “OMatch,” compatibility quiz to see if you and Barack are a match.”
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=4192
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For the truth about Franklin’s wing-nut commie brain, read any of his posts. The truth is not quite what it seems to be in Franklin’s warped brain cell, you know, the one he shares with biased1.
JM
Obama has no respect for the 1st Amendment.
Obama has no respect for the 2nd Amendment.
Those are the facts. You can not argue the facts, so you resort to insults, as usual.
“Prior Restraint” has ALWAYS been a huge First Amendment no-no.
Obama is trying to stop people from running legit, protected political advertising.
Obama is a NAZI.
Any Democrat prosecutors who would abuse their office by using corrupt, politically motivated threats like this should be removed from office.
Everything in the NRA advertising, against Obama, is TRUE! Even if it were not true, it is protected political speech. The remedy for bad speech is MORE speech, not a limit on our First Amendment rights!
Obama is un-American and not fit for office.
Obama is a thug.
Why not have McCain and Obama on the same ticket? They are both members of the Bankers Party of The World. Man, they could make some SERIOUS change together.
http://www.thebitchgirls.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/obama.pdf . . . thebitchgirls?
I got tears rolling down my cheeks from laughing so hard. Is this, like, the place where kandisue resides? Do you date these babes? Are they even worth dating? Are they, like, centerfolds in Wing-Nut Monthly? Does the “bitch” refer to the fact they look like dogs? Have they been properly neutered? I mean, chuckling minds want to know!
Heh. Clear sign here that McCain/Palin is tanking.
See Franklin’s 12:08pm post.
When Kansas GOP activists think they have to shore up their lock on NRA voters, that means they are running scared and running hard.
I would give my eyeteeth to be a fly on the wall above McCain and Schmidt when they go over the latest internal tracking polls. I bet that line could stand in a shower and not get wet, it’s pointing straight down.
NRA legal response to Obama campaign’s attack on the First and Second Amendments:
http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/wp_response_obamaads.pdf
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Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
JM
Obama has no respect for the 1st Amendment.
Obama has no respect for the 2nd Amendment.
Those are the facts. You can not argue the facts, so you resort to insults, as usual.
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Oh, hell ya, I insult braindead wing-nut morons, such as, well, yourself. Your take on things is so far out there as to make one wonder what color your sky is. Personally, I’m betting on black, as you obviously have no idea what constitutes light.
Thebitchgirls . . . hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
JM
I get my posts where I can find them.
The MSM won’t cover Obama’s outrageous behavior.
Obama is a threat to our liberty, and all you can do is deny that threat, without facts, without evidence and without any logical or rational response.
Obama is a tyrant.
Obama wants to CRUSH those who disagree with Obama!
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink
Obama is a thug
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Don’t you mean, Obama is a THUG? How can we possibly believe you if you don’t capitalize the poignant points?
Pedant
You wish.
The truth is, I care more about the 1st Amendment than the 2nd Amendment.
Anyone who knows me will tell you that.
However, Obama does not support EITHER the 1st or the 2nd Amendment.
This is very, very clear from Obama’s own behavior.
When is the last time you saw a candidate for any office bring legal threats against broadcastors?
Obama is a thug.
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Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink
JM
I get my posts where I can find them.
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That is, like, SO obvious . . . hahahahahahahahahaha
Surprise, surprise, surprise, another day, another thread based on a NY Times article. Hey PB. Why don’t you just go sell shoes for a living? An intern could do what you do, if all you are ever going to offer us is crap from the Times. As much as Randy Schofields articles pissed me off, at least he originated most of what he put out. No wonder the Eagle (and McClatchey) are going down the tubes. In case you haven’t noticed, people around these parts (left wing posters who frequent this site excepted) are not what you would call lefties and progressives. Do you think you are going to convert us by feeding us a daily helping of Thomas Friedman, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert, etc. Sorry it ain’t gonna happen. If anything it only helps to confirm what most of us believe already. And by the way, the left always speaks so glowingly of what a good thing “diversity” is. Why not practice a little bit of it on WEBlog and give us some other views.
There are several different sources for the Obama rape of the First Amendment:
“Washington, DC – September 26, 2008 – Barack Obama is now using local law enforcement officials to carry out his campaign of legal intimidation by assembling a group of high-ranking Missouri police officials and prosecutors – including St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCullough and City of St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce – to identify and target anyone the campaign determines is producing “misleading” political advertisements.
“This is an outrageous and shocking attempt by the Obama campaign to again employ Stalinist, police state tactics against those who dare to disagree with Barack Obama,” said Ed Martin, American Issues Projects president. “I am frankly stunned to see public officials like McCullough and Joyce abusing their official prosecutorial positions to serve as attack dogs for a national political campaign. I am quite certain Missourians elected these individuals to enforce the laws and arrest criminals, not to throw people in jail for daring to practicing free speech.
“The Obama campaign continues to provide a chilling preview of what would happen to political freedom in an Obama administration.”
This new effort is only the most recent attempt by the Obama campaign to crack down on free speech. Obama’s lawyers twice demanded the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute the American Issues Project, its officers, board of directors, and donors. The campaign also threatened stations running American Issues Project’s ad in an unsuccessful attempt to compel them to pull the spot, and ran its own ad in response.
Notably, this ad failed to dispute a single fact the American Issues Project has put forth.”
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmZmZDg3NjkzMTk3OGZiMjc0YjVhOWUyY2I5YjY1ZTE=
JM
When have you ever tried to make a point based on facts and evidence?
When have you ever tried to argue against a conservative point, with facts and evidence?
You don’t even try.
Chrisfrommactown
Posted September 27, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink
Surprise, surprise, surprise, another day, another thread based on a NY Times article. Hey PB. Why don’t you just go sell shoes for a living? An intern could do what you do, if all you are ever going to offer us is crap from the Times. As much as Randy Schofields articles pissed me off, at least he originated most of what he put out. No wonder the Eagle (and McClatchey) are going down the tubes. In case you haven’t noticed, people around these parts (left wing posters who frequent this site excepted) are not what you would call lefties and progressives. Do you think you are going to convert us by feeding us a daily helping of Thomas Friedman, Paul Krugman, Bob Herbert, etc. Sorry it ain’t gonna happen. If anything it only helps to confirm what most of us believe already. And by the way, the left always speaks so glowingly of what a good thing “diversity” is. Why not practice a little bit of it on WEBlog and give us some other views.
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Interesting view, your argument that those you argue are not “lefties and progressives” should get fail to find “some other views” in what you define as lefty and progressive news outlets like the NY Times. I would think that Phil is instead doing exactly what you asked of him.
I think what you meant to write is this.
Dear Phil, please make the WEBlog my echo chamber, ranging off powerline or little green footballs or NRO makes me angry and uncomfortable.
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Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
JM
When have you ever tried to make a point based on facts and evidence?
When have you ever tried to argue against a conservative point, with facts and evidence?
You don’t even try.
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Franklin, the reason I won’t argue or discuss anything you post with you is you are not close to a conservative. You are beyond far right so much as to be on another planet. You refuse to acknowledge anything Obama, or any Liberal for that matter, as being even close to your beliefs, whatever they may be. If there were a picture of anybody in the dictionary next to the word, wingnut, it would be yours.
You base your “facts” on wingnut websites (thebitchgirls), innuendo, and just plain bulls**t. You make no attempt to search for the truth if the actual truth disagrees with your version of the truth in any way. You’re a blog coward and charlatan, whose words carry more fodder for a cesspool than they do any truth.
So why would I want to discuss anything with you? Ya, I know, I’m an idiot, but in any intelligent circle, your calling me an idiot is considered a compliment.
Apparently the thing Franklin is ranting about has to do with enforcing Missouri’s own campaign ethics laws:
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1
Don’t like it? Take it up with the good people of Missouri. Someone could have mounted a legal challenge by now.
JM
You are a coward.
You need a reason to not argue with me, so you say that I am “too far right” —
The truth is, my beliefs are identical to the beliefs of a very large number of voters.
On most issues, my views are in the majority.
Again, you are a coward, without the intellectual ability to argue with facts.
So, you resort to put downs.
The Marxist Saul Alinsky, who’s tactics are used by Obama, explained YOU very well, JM.
Alinksy taught that, when facts and events are not on your side, personal attacks are the way to go.
Rage
Prior restraint of protected free speech is not allowed, under the 1st Amendment of the American Constitution.
There is nothing Obama, or his thugs, can do to revoke the 1st Amendment.
It does not matter what they think the Missouri law says.
This is wrong.
Do you think these law enforcement officials will lift a finger to examine any of the pro-Obama advertising?
That would not make it right, or Constitutional, but it would make it seem a bit less biased.
There is no excuse for any law enforcement official to behave like this, in an election.
Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink
JM
You are a coward.
You need a reason to not argue with me, so you say that I am “too far right” —
The truth is, my beliefs are identical to the beliefs of a very large number of voters.
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And look where that has taken us the last eight years. A bogus war that completely ignored the real war on terror, an economy on the verge of collapse, and so frickin much partisanship as to give congress a rating less than Bush’s.
If Clinton were still prez, you would be freaking out to the tune of needing major meds. You have offered absolutely nothing intelligent to this years Presidential race but vitriol and bulls**t. And I’m the coward? Punk, you couldn’t carry my jockstrap, bitchgirl.
God, that still makes me laugh . . . thebitchgirl . . . hahahahahah!!!
JM has trouble with staying on point.
First, he tells me that nobody agrees with me.
Then, he tells me that the majority that did agree with me, in previous elections, has “caused” all of our problems.
Hint: We are WINNING in Iraq, due to Republicans and our great military.
We are NOT in recession, we are in a credit crisis caused by DEMOCRATS at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and in Congress!
BTW
The “bitchgirls” Blog is a rather popular blog.
Laugh all you want, you can not argue with them, either.
You do not have the ability to argue with anyone but yourself, it seems.
Here is something Democrats don’t want to hear:
DEMOCRATS CAUSED THE FINANCIAL CRISES:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/
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Franklin
Posted September 27, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
BTW
The “bitchgirls” Blog is a rather popular blog.
Laugh all you want, you can not argue with them, either.
You do not have the ability to argue with anyone but yourself, it seems.
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Franklin, Franklin . . . I can discuss anything with anybody, as I have proven over and over in the past. You on the other hand, consider anybody not agreeing with you as ignorant, stupid, coward, et al. I throw the same in your face and you can’t handle it. So why in the world would I want to discuss anything at all with a completely closed mind, such as yourself?
And that is the end of that, bitchgirl:-)
Democrats caused the finacial melt down, you can not argue with that, either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/
Prior restraint of protected free speech is not allowed, under the 1st Amendment of the American Constitution.
Prior restraint? What planet are you living on?
If you actually watched the video, it’s apparent that the members of the “Truth Squad” will respond–period.
Now, if you’re suggseting that some kind of official intimidation is going on, fine==that would be an issue. But you’ll have produce some proof of that.
No, I mean real proof, not what you call “proof.”
Democrats caused the finacial melt down, you can not argue with that, either:
Right, Paul. And John Assrocket is the most truthful, intelligent, credible source on the planet. He’s right next to God, maybe even a notch above.
Greed caused the financial melt down.
Greed is the province of the GOP or Republican party.
THAT party produces soulless little shill bots like Franklin.
Oh, “Franklin” –
60% of sub-prime foreclosures have been due to refinancing deals.
It used to be, when someone lent you money, s/she did it based on the expectation they’d get paid back.
Phil Gramm pushed through legislation that made the original lender able to lend money willy-nilly and sell the paper to people who were, to use the technical economics terminology, stupid and greedy.
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was Christmas-treed onto a non-veto-able bill during the last days of the Clinton Administration. So I guess that makes it the Democrats’ problem.
But that was nearly eight years ago. For six of those years a Republic Party majority in both houses of Congress and a Republic Party president thought “the fundamentals of the American economy are sound.”
You’ve admitted, “Franklin,” that your purpose on this forum is to sling mud and report back to Republic Party operatives which ones stick.
Apparently the “44% Arab” trope didn’t work, so you’ve moved on to other lies.
Keep ‘em coming, “Franklin.”
Your absurdities provide most of the entertainment here at WE Blog.
I see Franklin’s really going overboard today.
Bullsh*tting shill, pure and simple.
You’ve admitted, ‘Franklin’, that your purpose on this forum is to sling mud and report back to Republic Party operatives which ones stick.”
Really?
That explains a lot.
So does, when it comes to Franklin, Harry Frankfurt.
The Concord Coalition is good about saying what we “don’t want to hear”.
Their response to this mess:
http://www.concordcoalition.org/press-releases/2008/0926/concord-coalition-urges-policymakers-budget-bailout
“‘Given the uncertainty of the return on this $700 billion of new borrowing, and the daunting challenges already confronting the fiscal outlook, Congress should adjust budget policy either though phased-in spending cuts or tax increases to ensure against any permanent fiscal deterioration,’ said Concord Coalition executive director Robert L. Bixby.”
Full of good sense, but not much in the way of shallow talking points. Personally, I still think it is not a matter of either with regards to cuts versus tax increases, it’s a matter of both.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Saturday, September 27, 2008
Contact: Jessica Robinson, 573-751-0290
Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement
Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement
JEFFERSON CITY – Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.
“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.
“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.
“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.
“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts – not a free society.”
If this allegation is true, Barack Obama needs to do more than grow up. Governor Blunt said explicitly that “I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights.” The U.S. Code (Title 18, Crimes) has a specific name for this.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 241
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§ 241. Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
The “going in disguise on the highway” part probably refers to two or more night riders in sheets and hoods threatening Black people–the same constituency whom the Anointed One claims to represent–with repercussions for voting, exercising their right to free speech, and so on. In fact, a related section of the U.S. Code is known as the Ku Klux Klan Act for this exact reason.
In addition,
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§ 1985. Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights
(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy, whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.
Governor Blunt’s press release uses the specific words “using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights,” “intimidation,” and “silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.” We would like any attorneys who read this to weigh in on whether, assuming that Governor Blunt’s allegations are proven, this constitutes a violation of the U.S. Code as shown above.
Meanwhile, if these allegations are indeed true, then Barack Obama can be compared legitimately to Adolf Hitler. Godwin’s Law applies only when a comparison of a political opponent to Hitler or Nazis is a gross exaggeration, and “using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights” is exactly what Hitler and real Nazis once did to Germans.”
http://husaria.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/breaking-scandal-missouri-governor-accuses-obama-of-conspiring-to-violate-civil-rights/
Monkey, once again, you do not know what you are talking about.
The largest cause of this problem was the Community Development Act, pushed by Clinton and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and the Congressional Black Caucus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/
Monkey, you are pulling numbers out of your ass. Where do you come up with the “facts” you post? Show us, please, where “70% of the defaults” are from REFINANCING of older mortgages?
You made that up, admit it!
Democrats in Congress INVENTED the sub-prime market. Democrats in Congress encouraged Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to purchase sub-prime paper from Country-Wide and others. Democrats in Congress and in the Courts intimidated lenders into making these risky loans.
Monkey you don’t have a CLUE what you are talking about, do you?
Gramm-Leach-Bliley had NOTHING to do with subprime mortgages, per say.
The Law which actually opened the flood-gates on the sub-prime market, the law that virtually INVENTED the sub-prime mortgage, was the Community Reinvestment Act pushed by Bill Clinton.
I would add that Bill Clinton also signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley law that you mention.
Gramm-Leach-Bliley allowed for Wall Street to finance mortgages.
That, by itself, would not have been this big of a problem.
However, taken TOGETHER with Clinton’s Community Reinvestment Act, and with the Democrats in Congress refusing at least 18 attempts, by the Bush Administration to REGULATE the sub-prime market, this is what CAUSED the problem.
And Monkey, scrolling back, I guess, this time you said “60% of the defaults” were in refinanced mortgages, and not 70%. It hardly matters, you can not prove your numbers, no matter what you were making up.
You claim that most of these defaults were from refinance deals — Which, of course, makes NO sense!
The entire idea of a “subprime” is that the person would not qualify for normal lending.
There is absolutley no evidence to support your claim that most of the defaults were from refinancing.
SPRINGFIELD, Mo. — Gov. Matt Blunt and Republicans are accusing Barack Obama’s campaign of assembling a “truth squad” with law enforcement officials to intimidate Obama critics from speaking out against the Democratic presidential candidate.
Yet a top Republican National Committee official admits the Democratic prosecutors from across Missouri “haven’t specifically said” they would use their prosecutorial powers on Obama’s behalf.
Using his taxpayer-funded press office to level a political attack, Blunt issued a statement Saturday to denounce the unproven allegations.
“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment,” Blunt said in a written statement.
On Wednesday, Obama’s Missouri campaign announced U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill would lead a group of Democratic lawmakers, prosecutors and one sheriff “who will be proactive in letting voters in the Show-Me State know the truth in the face of the distortions by the McCain campaign,” according to a news release.
The group includes prosecutors from St. Louis, Dunklin, Lafayette, Cass, Clay, Ripley, Audrain and Jackson counties volunteering to be surrogates for Obama on their own time.
The Missouri Truth Squad will “respond quickly, forcefully, and aggressively when John McCain or his allies launch inaccurate claims or character attacks about Barack Obama, or when they distort Barack Obama’s record or plans.”
In a conference call Saturday with reporters from battleground states, Obama national campaign manager David Plouffe said those who spread lies and mistruths about the Illinois senator have to be “held accountable,” but did not elaborate how.
Despite having law enforcement officials on the truth squad, none of them have publicly said they will invoke their official powers to enforce facts about Obama’s record.
The controversy was sparked by a KMOV televion report featuring St. Louis County Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Attorney Jennifer Joyce saying they would respond to paid advertising twisting Obama’s record (the story was picked up by influential right-wing blogger Matt Drudge).
They never said they would invoke their powers, but Republicans say just attaching their law enforcement titles to their names for political reasons gives off a perception of a police state.
“Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts – not a free society,” Blunt said in his 258-word statement.
Frank Donatelli, deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee, held a conference call with reporters Saturday morning while touring the state’s offices for GOP presidential candidate John McCain.
In a telephone interview with the News-Leader, Donatelli admitted the Democratic prosecutors “haven’t specifically said” they would use their prosecutorial powers on Obama’s behalf.
“I don’t think you have to use the power. I think if you just call out somebody and you have the power, you’ve made your point,” Donatelli told the News-Leader. “It’s not that you have to prosecute a guy, but people think you might.”
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080927/BLOGS09/80927018
This would read to me as Governor Blunt abusing his office.
What IS it with Republicans and abuse of office?
pedant said: Interesting view, your argument that those you argue are not “lefties and progressives” should get fail to find “some other views” in what you define as lefty and progressive news outlets like the NY Times. I would think that Phil is instead doing exactly what you asked of him.
I think what you meant to write is this.
Dear Phil, please make the WEBlog my echo chamber, ranging off powerline or little green footballs or NRO makes me angry and uncomfortable.
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Echo chamber? echo chamber? Just what do you call this Blog now if not an echo chamber for every Leftist, socialist point of view out there? And no the hard left position is not the center even if it seems to be from where you sit. All I’m asking for is some diversity of views. What makes Friedman, Herbert and their fellow travelers so special anyway? Most of what I post is more intelligent and makes more sense than anything they write.
You have choices in blogging Chris.
You clearly are not happy posting and reading here.
Helpful liberal that I am? I want to help.
I think you would be happier posting somewhere else.
For those who do not understand the roots of this economic crisis:
The Department of Housing and Urban Development has the mission of over-seeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
President Bush appointed the men who were supposed to see that was done.
They did not do their job. They allowed this to grow because of their anti-regulation gospel.
They allowed this train wreck. Bush and his appointees did it. They were driving the train.
Chrisfrommactown
Posted September 27, 2008 at 9:26 pm | Permalink
Echo chamber? echo chamber? Just what do you call this Blog now if not an echo chamber for every Leftist, socialist point of view out there? And no the hard left position is not the center even if it seems to be from where you sit. All I’m asking for is some diversity of views. What makes Friedman, Herbert and their fellow travelers so special anyway? Most of what I post is more intelligent and makes more sense than anything they write.
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No, what you ask for is diversity but when you get it what you demand is conservative viewpoints. Which are here, and in abundance.
Phil and Rhonda are mainstream Kansas, right of center writers. Phil is a CPA, which puts him squarely in the ultra-rational camp. Rhonda has written extensively here and on the WE OpEd page in support of mainstream culture in theatre, film, and I think music.
They never publish waay left wing stuff because waay left wing stuff is irresponsible. Proudly irresponsible, but irresponsible nevertheless.
What you want is waay RIGHT wing stuff posted here — stuff that in HLP’s terms starts out with a really RW premise that never holds up under close scrutiny — as a balance to their right of center stuff.
And what about the OP: who will tell us the stuff we need to hear?
If you had your way, you’d never hear it because it makes you too angry.
By the way, I grew up in McPherson and I lived in McPherson County for years. You ain’t a Mac native yourself, though.
Right?