Though a number of polls said that Barack Obama was the winner of Friday’s debate, John McCain’s campaign didn’t waste time announcing that McCain won. In fact, the campaign goofed and placed two Internet ads declaring McCain the winner hours before the debate even occurred. One ad featured a quote from McCain campaign manager Rick Davis declaring: “McCain won the debate — hands down.”
Registered?
Commenting on WE Blog now requires you to be a Kansas.com member. Use the links above to register, if you haven't already, or to log in.Contact us
Follow us
Daily Archives
-
Recent Comments
- cosmos_originally on Open thread 11/22
- Boxlock20 on Open thread 11/22
- Boxlock20 on Open thread 11/22
- mrbill on Health care reform would save state money
- cosmos_originally on Open thread 11/22
- cosmos_originally on Open thread 11/22
- Phantom on Open thread 11/22
- cosmos_originally on Open thread 11/22
- Phantom on Open thread 11/22
- Phantom on Open thread 11/22
18 Comments
No surprise, that’s how elections work these days too.
It was truthfull. Obama agreed with McCain at least 8 times on major issues. Obama is following McCains lead, which is the right path to follow.
(boy did he step into that one) Heh,heh,heh
This is starting to become a pattern for McCain.
He declared victory and started in with congratulating himself on the bailout bill too, only to have that detonate in his face.
I become increasingly convinced that McCain lives in a world of his own perception and construction that is not remotely connected to reality.
The debate was a dull knife.
It made no difference one way or the other to persuade voters.
The debate certainly didn’t persuade any voters to vote for McCain. His temper tantrum before and sudden announcement that “enough progress” was made for him to appear just emphasized how reactionary he is, how poor his judgment (gut reactions!) are.
We’ve had reactionary and gut reactions for nearly eight years now, and we know where that got us.
Backfire mccain, or if you prefer Boomerang mccain. Or as mccain must be saying, ‘you’re rubber I’m glue, what I say sticks to me after it bounces off of you!’
The clearest point made in the debate is that mccain believes Iraq is the be all and end all of the WOT. It shows he doesn’t understand how to fight terrorism.
I realize this thread is not on the financial issue but this information is worth seeing:
The History of a Financial Disaster
1997
Fannie Mae is a GSE (Govt. Sponsored Entity) regulated by Congress.
Fannie Mae buys mortgages from other companies.
It is backed by the taxpayers for all losses, but keeps all profits.
President Clinton loosens Home Loan Requirements.
1998
Banks begin making thousands of bad loans,0 down, no documentation, for 120%! (1998 – 2008).
Executives at Fannie receive huge bonuses if loan targets are met.
Franklin Raines and Jamie Garelick from the Clinton Administration are appointed to run Fannie Mae.
2003
President Bush proposes a new oversight committee to clean up Fannie Mae, but Democrats derail the effort.
Rep. Melvyn Watt, (D-NC) Committee on Financial Institutions & Consumer Credit. stated, “I don’t see much other than weakening the bargaining power poorer families to get affordable housing.”
1999 – 2004
Raines earns $100 million in bonuses.
Garelick earns $75 million in bonuses.
In 2004, Enron collapses, congress investigates, Executives Skilling & Lay go to jail, for fraudulent bookkeeping.
Congress responds with the Sorbanes-Oxley Act, more heavy regulation of corporations.
2004
An OMB investigation finds massive fraudulent bookkeeping at Fannie Mae.
False numbers triggered executive bonuses every year.
Congress holds no hearings, no one goes to jail, or is punished.
WHY NOT?
1999 -2005
Fannie Mae gives millions to Democratic causes, examples: Jesse Jackson & ACORN.
Fannie Mae pays millions to 354 congressmen and senators, from both parties.
Who got the most money?
Top 4 Recipients
#1 Sen. Christopher Dodd, (D-CT) Chairman of the Banking, Housing, & Urban Affairs Committee
#2 Sen. Barack Obama, (D-IL)
Federal Financial Management Committee
Top 4 Recipients
#3 Sen. Chuck Schumer, (D-NY)
Chairman of the Finance Committee
#4 Rep. Barney Frank, (D-MA)
Chairman of the House Financial Services Committe
2005
Franklin Raines & top execs are forced to resign from Fannie Mae.
They do not go to jail.
There is no media “perp. walk.”
They keeps all of their bonuses
They finally pay $31.4 million in civil fines.
2005
The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act is sponsored by:
#325 Sen. John McCain, (R-AZ)
Armed Services, & Commerce, Science, & Transportation
“If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.”
2005
None of the top 4 recipients support the legislation.
The reform act is blocked by Democrats, never even making it out of committee.
None of the politicians return any of the money, tainted by fraud.
2008
Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac go bankrupt and the govt. takes them over completely.
Lehman Brothers, goes bankrupt from investing in bad mortgages.
AIG get $85 million in loan guarantees, after insuring bad loans & projects.
Taxpayers will ultimately pay BILLIONS.
2008
Franklin Raines is now an advisor to the Obama Campaign which wants the govt. to take over more of the economy.
Did government involvement in the mortgage market work out?
How will even MORE government involvement make it better? Do you want to be Sweden?
McCain favors revising regulations & loan standards, selling off Fannie & Freddie.
SOURCES
Congressional Record, 5/25/06
“Hannity & Colmes,” Fox News, 9/16-9/17/08
Herald Tribune, 4/18/08
New York Times, 9/13/03
www. govtrack.com, 9/17/08
sunflower5
Posted September 30, 2008 at 6:09 am | Permalink
It was truthfull. Obama agreed with McCain at least 8 times on major issues. Obama is following McCains lead, which is the right path to follow
__
what you failed to state is that Obama does agree with John McCain on the issues but NOT the way we should resolve the issue. That is why the debate was important.
McCain made it very clear that he believes in not talking with our enemies and using diplomacy. But, rather, McCain would declare war on each one of them and force us to bear yet another burden of billions of dollars spent on war.
Just where is this money going to come from Sunflower? McCain does not want the wealhy to pay any taxes and the poor don’t pay taxes – that only leaves the middle class and Bush has pretty much destroyed the middle class with his last 8 years.
This current Wall Street crisis will look like peanuts compared to what McCain and his Gang will do to bankrupt us even further!
Hey Sunflower – where is the part about Rick Davis being paid by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac up until the month before going belly-up?
You remember Rick Davis – McCain’s campaign manager? Wouldn’t he also be involved in the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae mess?
And does McCain still consider Phil Gramm his economic adviser? You remember Phil Gramm – he is the one that champions deregulation – you know, those nasty regulations that McCain now states he wants to revise?
If you’re going to spout everything, then be sure to include EVERYBODY involved!
After all, like Fox News – you want to be fair and balanced – right?
mom – McCain did not say he would declare war on our enemies first. Obama tried to say that Kissinger said a US President should sit down to talk without conditions.
Kissinger actually said that no US President should sit down to talk without conditions. He did say just as McCain said the Secretary of State and other may do so but not the President.
PS: My sources are not the fox news
Let’s face it- the election will be won by the candidate offering the highest bid to Diebold Corp. I predict the likely winner to be T. Boone Pickens.
sunflower5 posted September 30, 2008 at 3:56 pm
“mom – McCain did not say he would declare war on our enemies first. Obama tried to say that Kissinger said a US President should sit down to talk without conditions.”
——–
Post a link and quote where Obama said “US President”.
“We” applies to anyone from the US, such as the US secretary of state.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/obama.transcript/
OBAMA: Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who’s one of his advisers, who, along with five recent secretaries of state, just said that we should meet with Iran — guess what — without precondition. This is one of your own advisers.
Now, understand what this means “without preconditions.” It doesn’t mean that you invite them over for tea one day. What it means is that we don’t do what we’ve been doing, which is to say, “Until you agree to do exactly what we say, we won’t have direct contacts with you.”
———–
And Kissinger did say without “conditions”, aka “preconditions”.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/20/se.01.html
KISSINGER: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. … And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we — we know we’re dealing with authentic…
(CROSSTALK)
SESNO: Put at a very high level right out of the box?
KISSINGER: Initially, yes. … But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations.
mom – Davis was a lobbyist that did not make the millions that Franklin Raines did. Was Davis wrong? Possibly. Was Franklin Raines not only wrong but walked away with millions of dollars.
Will Obama be taxing him as well?
“sunflower5″ –
The Raines lie was debunked nearly two weeks ago. Your accusation stinks like leftover kraut.
“…a statement by Raines on Thursday night insisting, “I am not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters.” Obama spokesman Bill Burton went a little further, saying in an e-mail that the campaign had “neither sought nor received” advice from Raines “on any matter.”
– Washington Post, September 18, 2008
sunflower5,
Are you going to post a link and quote where Obama said “US President”?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/wait-until-after-debate-to-declare-winner/#comment-436021
Nope!
Poor, poor moneyhawk. The divorce must have been painful. Good thing she got out before you lost it.
Wow, “sunflower5″ –
Talk about your non sequitur.
And posted twice?