One of the more striking aspects of the GOP convention this week was how monotone the crowd scenes were — a sea of white Caucasian faces.
Yes, the networks picked out individual African-American or Hispanic faces here and there, but the broader crowd scans told the story: Diversity isn’t exactly a GOP value.
Contrast that with the Democratic convention crowd, which showed people of every hue and ethnicity. The visuals were telling about the parties’ very different base demographics.
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That’s because the Democratic party is that party of the big plantation. They still keep Blacks and Hispanics tied to the affirmative action, race quotas, welfare districts and special deal politics.
You know, the old “separate but equal policies of the “old south.”
The Democrats were wily enough to capture the “Black power” and “Black pride” movements and convince Black people to build their programs into movements within the Democratic party system.
The Democratic party has made racial institutionalization to a fine art and convinced minorities that maintaining power over their oppressed people is the wise thing to do. Dealing with Black and Hispanic leaders they promise the ‘chicken in every pot’ and end up only in reality delivering just the egg.
Ever notice that everyone of the largest metropolitan areas are primarily Democratic and primarily filled with minorities? This encapsulation of minorities into metropolitan plantation building has been built upon since the days of post Civil reconstruction racist policies.
Caucasian deal brokers made deals with Black and Hispanic leaders to promise them positions over their own people by encouraging their dissent and blaming ‘whitey’ on their problems. This occurred primarily during the Democratic power reign in Congress from the 1950s until 1992 when the Democrats lost control of Congress.
Forty plus years to build their plantations of collusion and conspiracy that the unnamed ‘whitey’ was out to get them. But who were the racist politicians during the times of turbulence?
The answer, they were all Democrats. The George Wallace’s and Maddox’s of the deep south. One can still sniff the stench of the KKK from a Democratic Senator in Congress today.
The minorities in this country have been hoodwinked.
Obama who admires the great Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and sings his accomplishments never mentions the fact, that Dr. King was a Republican.
Check out this photo at Malkins. Check out a photo of the Eagle staff, or the staff of any of the major networks that covered the conventions. What do you see? White people. You have a lot of nerve Randy.
They appear to be invisible Heckler. :D
Interesting.
In a city with a large black and Hispanic population, the editorial staff at the Eagle is conspicuously white.
The only one with any real sense is the ‘token’ female!
What bullshit, Reg. The democrats of the old South are hardly the Democrats of today. The RNC is a sea of white because Democrats are the racists? LOL!
I know too many Republicans who would have a stroke if their kid married anyone that didn’t look like them.
When is comes to “conservative” values, there isn’t much room for diversity and you know it.
“Diversity isn’t exactly a GOP value.”
Boy, that’s an understatement! I think it’s interesting to note that in this election, the GOP is firmly aligned with the KKK, Arian Nation, and Skin-heads. Way to go GOP! The racists have your back.
Mary_Caruso
Posted September 6, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink
What bullshit, Reg.
Mary, I totally agree. What a steaming pile Reg left on the page, as usual.
“I know too many Republicans who would have a stroke if their kid married anyone that didn’t look like them.”
I bet you do, Mary! Hell, I know a lot of republicans and their worse fear is that their children might be gay or end up with a black baby.
I’m sure the republicans you know are the same as the ones I know and they worry and talk about it all the time.
nitwit
Mary_Caruso
Posted September 6, 2008 at 8:32 am | Permalink
What bullshit, Reg. The democrats of the old South are hardly the Democrats of today. The RNC is a sea of white because Democrats are the racists? LOL!
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It’s hardly B.S. Mary, it’s the truth.
The Democrats have steered the church going, conservative Blacks and Hispanics towards of path of secularism. This no accountability for one’s personal actions has been to the detriment of minorities. However, there are groups such as Orientals who maintain their conservative roots and faiths, who do quite well in society.
Along with these secular values has come the break up of the family unit. Don’t need to be accountable for pregnancy anymore, one can just take their honey down to the local “rape and scrape” abortion shop and be done with it.
One doesn’t need to get a job and be responsible, they can latch onto the teat of Welfare for a ride, then when that’s over delve into the secret society of the “NO ID’ and cash for goods society (drugs, etc.)
Ever wonder why Democrats are so set against having Voter ID’s? It’s not the old, gray haired ladies they want to protect, it’s the millions who live the life of multiple unnamed identities as they don’t carry an ID as society would make them accountable for their actions.
As I said, the plantations have moved from the old south to the big cities where the Democratic party keep a strangle hold on minorities.
Don’t believe me? Look around – take a really close look. Look at the metropolitan areas where Democrats reign and also have the biggest poverty districts.
There can be no denying of the facts, that the new plantation bosses are the Democrats in metropolitan America.
Republican diversity is a white man dressed in a blue shirt, another white man dressed in a brown shirt and yet another white man dressed in a red shirt, with the token purdy woman in pick (the diverse men need something to look at when they tire of thinking about how they can get more money).
Randy….you are a damn racist agitator!!!
Nothing more.
“lindainks55″ notes –
“Republican diversity is a white man dressed in a blue shirt, another white man dressed in a brown shirt…”
A LOT of ‘em would feel comfortable in brown shirts.
I know I’ve asked this before, but just how many black republicans serve in the House? How many are there in the Senate?
Are there any conservatives out there bright enough to answer?
More proof this paper has a decided left leaning bias. 6 out of the 7 leads about Palin since 9/3 have been negative. Now this lead not so subtlely claiming that the GOP is racist. This paper is certainly showing its bias.
I read somewhere last week that out of all the people at the RNC, there were only 36 blacks.
Diversity my a$$!
Check out this photo at Malkins. Check out a photo of the Eagle staff
A picture’s worth a thousand words.
I wonder what part Negro BrownLib, Scholfield and Holman are? Does Crowson have any Black ancestry?
How about the Publisher of the Wichita Eagle? Does she have a Black Heritage?
Nuff said…
Perhaps the fact that all of these white republican guys are ignoring the issue as to why they can’t get diversity. They don’t care what those people think.
Little bit of history, from Wikipedia:
“From 1890 to 1908, starting with Mississippi, white Democrats passed new constitutions in ten Southern states with provisions that restricted voter registration by Literacy tests, poll taxes, and residency requirements that forced hundreds of thousands of people from registration rolls, and prevented most blacks and many poor whites from voting.”
Wikipedia goes on to show that during Reconstruction, there were 21 black congressmen..all were Republicans. Since then the trend has turned more to the Democratic side. Seems like a pedulum swing that slowly changes back and forth.
With this history, I fail to see how either party can congratulate themselves and call their party “superior” when it comes to “diversity”.
Good point, “Political_mama” –
Sometimes you just wish the Republic Party would show a bit of honesty and ‘fess up:
They don’t have many black or brown people because they don’t want any black or brown people.
It’s not what they’re for. It’s not what they’re about.
Since Goldwater, the Republic Party has shamelessly and steadfastly worked to become the Angry White People’s Party.
They’ve succeeded.
You’d think they’d be proud of their accomplishment.
If 90% of the blacks are going to vote for Obama where do you suppose the diverstity would come from?
In reality the head line should read Why are Blacks racists?
If whites voted 90% for their own race the homosexual liberal media would be going crazy.
When did they clap at the recent RNC? When they were angry. Did you see the same kinds of enthusiastic responses when bipartisanship was spoken of? They are angry and happiest when they’re ridiculing someone. Downright nasty — in the name of God.
The liberal Eagle wants to stir up trouble by putting whites in a negative light yet loves to hide the truth when a crime has been committed.
Every time a crime has been commited the Eagle won’t tell you the race of the criminal?
Why the fear of the truth?
It’s all about their anti white agenda.
“Kandisue” –
The “homosexual liberal media?”
I didn’t know that about Bill O’Reilly.
But it does explain Rush Limbaugh’s Viagra-fueled holiday with Dominican boys.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Randy, Randy, Randy, it is sad to think you could not come up with anything better than this to stir the pot.
Regular you are right on. The dimos keep the black vote because they promise so many handouts. You will notice they never solve the real problem because if they did the black vote would go away.
The dimos are the party of pro-abortion. Then they ask why there are so many blacks having abotions. The dimos should be so ashamed of themselves. But they aren’t because they are shameless.
The WE is no better. Coming up with such a racist blog is uncalled for.
I would prefer a color blind society. But today’s race hustlers in the Democrat party won’t allow that to happen. Their interest is only in maintaining a needy constituency that they can manipulate and deliver to the Dem bosses on election day.
As one Republican, I would welcome those of color who want to be treated as an equal and who despise being relegated to being part of that needy constituency.
I know, you think that not everyone would be so welcoming. Admittedly, there are still racists in our midst. But they grow fewer each day.
Come on over where you have a chance to make a difference. Because of who and what you are inside. As an individual.
“Check out this photo at Malkins. Check out a photo of the Eagle staff, or the staff of any of the major networks that covered the conventions. What do you see? White people. You have a lot of nerve Randy.”
Irrelevant red herring.
The homogenity at the Republican convention, and not just ethnicity, was striking in comparison with the Democratic convention. And that is reality.
What effect this may have on the electorate is too soon to say.
Raptor Posted September 6, 2008 at 9:08 am |
“More proof this paper has a decided left leaning bias. 6 out of the 7 leads about Palin since 9/3 have been negative. Now this lead not so subtlely claiming that the GOP is racist. This paper is certainly showing its bias.”
Well Raptor I just decided to show mine as well.
I called a few minutes and completely canceled my paper subscription to the Eagle and cited Randy Scholfield as the prime but not only reason.
I then went on line and donated another $100 to McCain/Palin.
There is an African/American lady running for the 29th State Senate District. She is well known in her community because she is involved in the concernes and issues of the district.
She would be a shoe in if it were not for one thing. She is running as a republican. So many of the African/American leaders and activists that she has worked with for years are telling her they believe in her and they know she would work hard for the district but they cannot support her because they do not want to be the ones to turn the district over to a republican. Tell me the blacks are not following as regular stated.
She would be with the majority party and at some point have an opportunity to chair a committee but her community does not care. They are more worried about the dimos than having the right person in the right position at the right time.
Her name is Kenya Cox and all of us need to be out there supporting her campaign. I have gone knocking on doors with her campaigning and she does a great job.
If you can send her money and if you can volunteer it would be wonderful. You will have a great time and be helping a great lady.
A lady that is being discriminated against because she is African/American and a Republican. She choose to be a real independent thinker.
GO KENYA COX!!!!!!!
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Kandisue
Posted September 6, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink
If 90% of the blacks are going to vote for Obama where do you suppose the diverstity would come from?
In reality the head line should read Why are Blacks racists?
If whites voted 90% for their own race the homosexual liberal media would be going crazy.
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Kandisue = Screwball
What one prominent black speaker has to say about the Democrats, Obama in particular, and the promotion of racism and the exclusion of many blacks from successfully participating in society.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=DePqURwttfM&feature=related
lindainks55
Posted September 6, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
When did they clap at the recent RNC? When they were angry. Did you see the same kinds of enthusiastic responses when bipartisanship was spoken of? They are angry and happiest when they’re ridiculing someone. Downright nasty — in the name of God.
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Linda I don’t expect a response from you as you find my posts demeaning to you and you don’t know how to handle them.
This isn’t at all what happened. I watched also as did others here. We were encouraged that the energy issues were being addressed, the job issues were looked at honestly and addressed by new training being available for the new jobs that are available.
As McCain has said twice now the jobs that have gone away won’t be coming back. Do we promise the out of work steel workers that their jobs will be back. How about the textile workers in the south. What about the customer service jobs.
We could lie to the out of work citizens or have a plan to train them for new jobs. This is what the GOP offers. Answers. Not a new messiah. Not a miracle worker. Not the One who will unite the world. But real answers for real hurting people.
Unfortunately the minorities have been fed a line by the dems and can’t let go of the hook or they think they will drown. Look at how the blacks attack their own when critized by the Bill Cosbys of their own race.
And lastly I will put my family album next to yours anyday. The diversity is widespread. And we are a big inclusive gop and dem family that welcomes them all.
Don’t be so nasty and for heavens sake will the dems on this blog get over this obsession they have with religion and faith.
The media ENCOURAGES racial division.
The media LIED about the “Jenna Six”
The media did very little to correct the “Tawana Brawley” lies of Al Sharpton.
The media has done very little to expose the race-baiting of Jesse Jackson.
“The facts indicate the Jenna Six were driven by hate and attacked not only white but black citizens of Jenna. Black victims had begged the police to arrest and detain the leader of this pack but police would not respond in a timely fashion. The football coach new of criminal charges against the juveniles but refused to punish them by kicking them off the football team. They were too valuable players. —
“This is not a good situation for America and people wonder why racism still exists in America. The elite can not control us unless they continue to divide us.
All of the incidents they reported where whites “students” got away with crimes they should not have, are lies. The boy that was hurt during the beating was hurt badly and is still getting treatment. He was hit in the back of the head by Bell with such force that it knocked him out. He was repeatedly kicked in the head and body and stomped on but the Jenna Six were treated as though this was a schoolyard fight not a beating.
The other incidents reported regarding three nooses were false. There were two. There was no white tree, both black and white students sit under the tree. Students of both races played with the nooses that were taken down before most students arrived at school. They were down by 7:15 am the same day they were put in the tree. Most students and parents did not know about the nooses until the Bell boy’s mother started raising a fuss about it at the school board meeting to get special consideration for her son who had already been convicted.
There was a party of mostly white people not all students at the Jenna Fair Barn. Blacks did attend. Then members of the Jenna Six tried to break into the part and were chased off. One white man 22 years old was arrested as a result of the altercation. No blacks were arrested.
The reported incident at the gasoline station involved members of the Jenna six, who tried to rob the white youth. It had nothing to do with the school incident. It was just another evening of participating in criminal activities knowing they could get away with it. Witnesses to the robbery confirmed the victim’s statements about being attacked by the black individuals.
Black residents complained about the Jenna Six and especially the ring leader Bell and their criminal involvement in their neighborhoods. Police were slow to respond to complaints of vandalism, property damage and criminal assaults. Bell had a history of assaults and criminal behavior.
There was never a connection made between the two nooses in the tree at school and the subsequent criminal rampage by the Jenna Six gang members. They were just doing what they had been getting away with for years. The mainstream media has taken the mothers of these criminals’ stories and published them without confirmation. The biased reporting is worse than the reporting that came out of the Duke Rape allegations.
Those who failed to wait until facts were revealed should immediately correct their positions taken. False or exaggerated reports benefit no one and especially not the black residents who are subjected to black on black crime because police fear to enforce the law.”
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/39199
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The Liberal Media is complicit in crime.
The Liberal Media IS RACIST!
The Liberal Media wants to keep the Black people oppressed, in the desire for Black voters to vote Democrat!
Chicago is FAR, FAR more dangerous than Bahgdad, yet, not even once, has the Eagle run a story about the gang violence in Chicago this year!
Chicago kids are BOYCOTTING the poor Chicago schools. What did Obama, the great “Community Organizer” do for Chicago, other than fire up racial tension and take dirty, Chicago political machine money?
The job of a “community organizer” is to “rub raw the resentments of the group” — as Saul Alinsky, the Marxist, taught Obama.
It is not NOT the job of a “community organizer” to actually solve anything!
Racial hostility is promoted by Obama, Farrakhan, Sharpton and Jackson and Pastor Wright.
Blacks who try to leave the plantation are treated like Clarence Thomas!
It is the liberal press that could actually help solve the racial divide, in this country, by exposing the race hustlers and racists on the Left.
But, you WANT division, so you NEVER tell the truth!
Franklin…don’t forget the field day the press had with the Duke LaCrosse team. How (what party affiliation? Oh yeah..Democrat)Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton condemned the lacrosse players and the media headlined it over and over.
Did Jackson/Sharpton ever apologize? Of course not. Yep…Democrats can be proud of those two..
WOW you’re telling me that all those blacks are poor and holding their hands out? Give me a damn break.
I know ya’ll make crap up all the time, but black people know exactly what the score is. They want a fair shake, and they won’t get it from the republicans.
“I’m sure the republicans you know are the same as the ones I know and they worry and talk about it all the time.
nitwit”
Maybe they don’t talk about it “all the time”, but they certainly don’t like the idea of diversity in their narrow little world…sometimes the truth hurts, huh? Nitwit.
To bad Democraps don’t have any diversity of thought to go along with the outside.
It’s easy to see how racism rears it’s ugly head in threads like these. According to the cons on this blog, all blacks and hispanics are nothing but criminals loooking for handouts provided courtesy of the Democrats. You all are truely pathetic.
“I read somewhere last week that out of all the people at the RNC, there were only 36 blacks.
Wouldn’t surprise me if those 36 were the mccain spokespeople. I’ve never seen so many black pundits, as I have for mccain. You’d think 90% of blacks supported mccain.
I know many more Republicans than the same ones you know, Hank. I spend more time outside of Waltanna than in it.
The thing I’m really struck by is how angry y’all are. Get a Republican talking about politics, he’ll almost start foaming at the mouth.
“I read somewhere last week that out of all the people at the RNC, there were only 36 blacks.”
Funny, wasn’t it…how the cameras made sure the world saw all 36 of them? LOL.
I also saw a few gay guys who keep voting for the evangelical republicans.
is it self hatred? What?
Regular
“Does Crowson have any Black ancestry?”
I don’t know but as much as he slams Christians I’m sure he is a homosexual.
I think Kadisue is Ian’s wife! LOL
Sorry, disregard that thought. I thought I’d gotten on DailyKos by mistake.
They’re the party of the past.
We’re the party of the future.
pmom
It is telling that you are supporting Obama, now, a man who began his political career by recruiting Black Churches into liberal causes— Even if the pastor of the Church was “anti-gay” as many of Obama’s friends happen to be!
What is the position of the Nation of Islam on “gay rights”?
LOL.
It is telling that you bash Religious Conservatives, yet you have not a bad word to say, now, about the Religious Liberals who BUILT Obama’s entire career!
We’re the party of the future.
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A dismal future.
KandiSue
I am pretty sure that you have good intentions.
However, in politics, we are dealing with MATH!
ADD to OUR side.
SUBTRACT from THEIR side.
I do not think you are helping the cause by repulsing people, from “our side” —
I am against Gay Marriage but I am otherwise “live and let live” —
When you start calling everyone “gay” or “homosexual” you come off looking like Fred Phelps and you push people away from the candidates that you claim to support.
A dismal future? What do you honestly think if we stay with 4 more years of the Republican agenda? I’ve never seen things so bad in my lifetime. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
Correct me…maybe she’s Fred’s wife!
I’ll bet Kandisue just LOVES Sara Palin!!!
I don’t think Kandi is anybody’s wife, husband or friend there Mary.
But I am enjoying keeping her? in play here until a friend of mine gets back from vacation!
Got any idea who I might be thinking about?
Heh heh.
The con vention looked more like a bowl of vanilla ice cream than a loaf of bread. Then when Squeaky Sarah took the podium, we saw that there was also a sameness of flavor in limited thought among the assembled wingbots.
“What is the position of the Nation of Islam on “gay rights”?”
What does that have to do with Obama? He’s a Christian.
Where’s frmgirl when we need her? LOL!!
“Mary_Caruso” notes –
“According to the cons on this blog, all blacks and hispanics are nothing but criminals loooking for handouts….”
And they’re oblivious to how racist that attitude is.
They are so blinded by their bigotry they — like their presidential candidate (remember him, CONs?) — just don’t get it.
Their ideology is so inbred they can’t imagine a nation that isn’t all white, all twice-born, all angry, and they’re so wrapped up in masturbatory rapture over their Vice-Presidential candidate. The top guy, not so much.
The RepublicCONs are so excited by the Moose-Dresser they’ve chosen to ignore that during the vetting “process,” the SnowBilly asked:
“What is it exactly that the VP does every day?”
Bill Maher bought her a clue:
“They start wars, they enrich their friends, they subvert the Constitution, and they shoot people in the face. That’s what the vice president does.”
LOL
“I’ll bet Kandisue just LOVES Sara Palin!!!”
Yup. She? was telling me over on another thread that her and a website where she hangs upside down agree that they can now stand McCain. She? didn’t openly say that she hopes old John takes the dirt nap after he wins.
But it sorta comes through.
Kandi dear? I’m setting you up. I’m even sparring with you a little to get you ready.
This won’t make any sense to you now. But remember later that I warned you.
Dig a bomb shelter. UNDER your bunker!
Have a good one…I’m going to go play with my grandkids!!1
Pretty damn funny watching the resident Republicans strain rhe rationalize away the obvious, and which has been painfully obvious since at least 1984.
Say what you will about 1868, or even 1968, but the modern Republican party is the home of the white, the affluent, the paranoid, the bigoted, and the apathetic.
Mary_Caruso
Posted September 6, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink
It’s easy to see how racism rears it’s ugly head in threads like these. According to the cons on this blog, all blacks and hispanics are nothing but criminals loooking for handouts provided courtesy of the Democrats. You all are truely pathetic
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Mary I guess you missed my post upthread. I told you there are several blacks in my family. They aren’t crooks nor are they looking for a handout. Fortunately they are motivated to get an education and provide a good living for themselves.
Before painting with your oh so broad brush you really should actually read some of the other posts. I still say that the democrat party tries to hold down minorities. Lets compare blacks appointed to high office under Bush to those other demo prezes.
I love when the blacks come out against their own if they have pride in their accomplishments. Look at how a white Ted Kennedy treated Clarence Thomas. Look at how Maxine Waters and the Black Caucus wouldn’t let JC Watts come in.
The real racists are cleverly disguised but deny the facts all you want this race will boil down to racism because the dems are pushing it that way.
What was the name of that one “special” young democrap pres. that refused to do anything about equal rights??
“Kandi dear? I’m setting you up. I’m even sparring with you a little to get you ready.”
Blue Jay do you get that most on this blog think less of you than you think of yourself. You are very important in your own eyes and throw around your little threats like the big bad wolf will return and help you out of the hole you are in.
I’m sure Kandi whoever he/she is is quacking in their shoes.
Mary
Obama is buddies with racist, Jew-hating Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.
In fact, Farrakhan lives in Obama’s former State Senate District.
Farrakhan and Pastor Wright are good friends.
Obama’s Pastor, Pastor Wright, gave an award to Farrakhan.
Obama helped organize and attend Farrakhan’s “million man march” on Washington DC.
Obama’s Church is very, very sympathetic to radical Islam.
seems like it was back in the 60s when the movement was really going strong….
biased1 when you start facing the dems with actual facts and shooting holes in their on ‘version’ of history they become MIA.
You will never see them go one on one in a real debate because they are like their party, herd animals.
The original speeple party. Democrats.
And what was that one little nasty guy from alabama george …something?
seems like it was back in the 60s when the movement was really going strong….
. .. and a coalition of liberal Democrats and liberal Republicans passed civil rights legislation in Washington. As more and more of the bigots jumped ship, the Republican party changed, and pushed the liberals out of its ranks, aided and abetted by Richard Nixon’s Southern strategy and Ronald Reagan’s similar thinly-veiled racism.
History lesson is over for today.
. . .I should clarify: jumped from D to R. No one denies the Dem’s segregationist wing existed.
“Mary_Caruso” says –
“I’ve never seen things so bad in my lifetime.”
And the damnedest thing, neither has John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term)!
Did none of the CONs even listen to McCoot’s speech Thursday night?! He said:
“We’re worse off than we were four years ago!”
“These are tough times!”
“We let Washington change us”
The poor old man who was a real conservative in 2000 now stands in the shadow of the Twice-Borns’ newfound “Blessed Mother.”
Talk about wag-the-dog.
And what was that one little nasty guy from alabama george …something?
George Wallace, who ran a third party campaign in 1968 based largely on ugly racism. After getting shot and paralyzed, Wallace had a change of heart, and spent the rest of his life condemning racism.
And you seem not to realize you’re making my points for me. Oh well.
Strom Thurmond and Phill Gramm were once Democrats, as was Ronald Reagan.
“I’m sure Kandi whoever he/she is is quacking in their shoes.”
HAHAHAHAHA Well if it looks like a duck?
What can I get you to do in your shoes there okie? Oh yeah, follow me around.
“okobserver” –
“I’m sure Kandi whoever he/she is is quacking in their shoes.”
It’s moments like this one I kinda like the CONs’ idea of establishing an English-only police force.
In 10-words-or-less, “okobserver” committed at least four Class-B grammar felonies.
KandiSue
“I am pretty sure that you have good intentions.
However, in politics, we are dealing with MATH!
ADD to OUR side.
SUBTRACT from THEIR side.
I do not think you are helping the cause by repulsing people, from “our side” —
I am against Gay Marriage but I am otherwise “live and let live” —”
If your side is ignorant it’s no reason for me to be politically correct.
I have nothing against homosexuals on an individual basis. However I truely believe that the entire liberal media is dominated by them either overtly or covertly. What is sad to me is the number of conservatives who are not aware of this. Since it is obvious that the liberal media is anti Christian anti American and pro homosexual it is not difficult to understand why. If you are under fairly young it is not hard for me to understand why you are blind when it comes to the biggest threat this country faces.
Fred Philps is a real “kook” or “screwball”.
If I am repulising people from your side then I really don’t think you are on my side.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=67887
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 6, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
“okobserver” –
“I’m sure Kandi whoever he/she is is quacking in their shoes.”
It’s moments like this one I kinda like the CONs’ idea of establishing an English-only police force.
In 10-words-or-less, “okobserver” committed at least four Class-B grammar felonies.
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Thanks for that critique and for making my point. When you can’t argue facts then change the subject. BTW I have never been fired from a job. Have you?
okobserver posted September 6, 2008 at 10:29 am
“We were encouraged that the energy issues were being addressed, . . .”
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‘Johnny-come-lying
McCain’s 10 energy lies top Palin’s four‘
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/5/82721/82943
See also
‘Lies, damned lies, and energy politics
In her big speech, Palin repeats the GOP’s big energy lie — plus three other energy lies‘
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/4/122931/0114
Kandi
You are by yourself, then.
You are hurting your own “cause” just like Fred Phelps.
Insults, especially unfounded insults, do not win political campaigns.
Try to pick apart policy positions of those that you do not like, would you please?
The knee-jerk “homosexual” smear sounds EXACTLY like Fred Phelps, who carried around signs that said “Fag Dole” when Bob Dole was nominated.
I assure you that I am AT LEAST as well informed, on the issues, as you claim to be.
I also assure you that your approach will only hurt your cause.
He should have said,
“We are worse off than TWO years ago— when the Dems took over Congress”
Oh please tell us more of what you truly believe Kandi!
Don’t mind Franklin. He posts what somebody else tells him to believe.
Pelosi promised to reduce gasoline prices, two years ago.
Was THAT an “energy lie”???
“okobserver” squirms –
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 6, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
“okobserver” –
“I’m sure Kandi whoever he/she is is quacking in their shoes.”
It’s moments like this one I kinda like the CONs’ idea of establishing an English-only police force.
In 10-words-or-less, “okobserver” committed at least four Class-B grammar felonies.
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Thanks for that critique and for making my point. When you can’t argue facts then change the subject. BTW I have never been fired from a job. Have you?
You know I have. For speaking truth to
stupiditypower.Have you?
Probably not. Since truth is pretty much out of your skill set.
“Kandisue
Posted September 6, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
…I have nothing against homosexuals on an individual basis. However I truely believe that the entire liberal media is dominated by them either overtly or covertly. What is sad to me is the number of conservatives who are not aware of this. Since it is obvious that the liberal media is anti Christian anti American and pro homosexual it is not difficult to understand why…”
LOL! Good one Kandi, you crack me up! Girl you so crazy! LOL
Monkey, get real.
You and “truth” have never even been introduced to one another.
You do not know what truth is.
And, more telling, you do not care.
The reason their are so few black people on the Eagle editorial staff is that few blacks are willing to work for reporters’ wages. They go into the health professions. Why don’t you check out the staffs at the Wichita hospitals?
okobserver posted September 6, 2008 at 10:29 am
“We were encouraged that the energy issues were being addressed, . . .”
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okobserver,
WHY do you trust McCain and Palin on “energy issues”?
Read parts of the U.S. Senate bill, and what the U.S. Geological Survey said about oil in the Arctic Refuge.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/sebelius-takes-on-hurricane-sarah/#comment-418386
Why did Palin incorrectly say that only 2,000 acres needed to be opened?
“Franklin,” on John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) –
“He SHOULD have said….”
Well, he didn’t.
And now, in a terrible breach of their obligations to the nation and the world, the Republic Party has nominated McCoot instead of “Franklin.”
Turns out, despite his name, McCain might be only 44% Scottish! (I suspect he might be a closet Presbyterian!)
Please look into that for us, “Franklin.” You’re so good at personally researching candidates’ ethnicity.
Hey Kandi –
if you like WorldNetDaily.com, you will love http://www.libertypresskansas.com
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 6, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink
okobserver posted September 6, 2008 at 10:29 am
“We were encouraged that the energy issues were being addressed, . . .”
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okobserver,
WHY do you trust McCain and Palin on “energy issues”?
Read parts of the U.S. Senate bill, and what the U.S. Geological Survey said about oil in the Arctic Refuge.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/sebelius-takes-on-hurricane-sarah/#comment-418386
Why did Palin incorrectly say that only 2,000 acres needed to be opened?
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Hey cosmos, if you need a medical opinion, do you go to Liberal Websites and read Senate bills too?
:D
The Democrats say they are patriotic.
The Democrats say they are for recycling.
Except?
When they are NOT:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/09/06/republican-recycling/
“Republican Recycling
by David Harsanyi on September 6, 2008
This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.
“What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,” a Republican official emailed. “We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.”
#
Mary_Caruso
Posted September 6, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink
It’s easy to see how racism rears it’s ugly head in threads like these. According to the cons on this blog, all blacks and hispanics are nothing but criminals loooking for handouts provided courtesy of the Democrats. You all are truely pathetic.
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And to think, at one time I thought Mary was a thoughtful, fair person.
Ohhhh pray for me Kandi! I’m dying!
“And now, in a terrible breach of their obligations to the nation and the world, the Republic Party has nominated McCoot instead of “Franklin.”
I cannot wait to meet you Monkeyhawk!
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outlander
Posted September 6, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
#
Mary_Caruso
Posted September 6, 2008 at 11:18 am | Permalink
It’s easy to see how racism rears it’s ugly head in threads like these. According to the cons on this blog, all blacks and hispanics are nothing but criminals loooking for handouts provided courtesy of the Democrats. You all are truely pathetic.
___________
And to think, at one time I thought Mary was a thoughtful, fair person.
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Only if it is something that makes herself look good or more holy.
That’s the Democratic Party way – secular based narcissism – growing day by day depending on the constant ego feeding by depriving others of a fair opinion through divisive and hateful comments.
Franklin,
Interesting article from the Denver Post. I think this comment posted after it sums it up quite well:
“What a ridiculous article. People fight to protect the symbol of freedom, not the little piece of cloth made in Taiwan.”
BTW, in the picture that accompanies this blog topic someone should explain to that guy what the flag code says about use of the flag on clothing…
I normally don’t bother with WE Blog sign-offs, but I’ve spent (or misspent) the morning toying with CONs and really have to attend to more important stuff.
See ya later, guys.
brian
Prior to the Demo Convention, in Denver, we heard stories about how “green” the Democrats were.
NO bottled water.
Recycled products everywhere.
Low “carbon footprints”
Yada Yada.
Then? The Democrats prove themselves a bunch of FRAUDS, and toss at least 12,000 perfectly good American flags, into the garbage?
“Then? The Democrats prove themselves a bunch of FRAUDS, and toss at least 12,000 perfectly good American flags, into the garbage?”
ooooo, those bastards, I had no idea people would throw unused things away.
I bet they threw away some unused plastic plates and forks too.
So much for voting for Obama
brian_nuevo
“Hey Kandi -
if you like WorldNetDaily.com, you will love http://www.libertypresskansas.com”
Good one.
I didn’t even know this existed. Im sure if Obama gets in this will be main stream no since hiding any more from the naive.
ooooo, those bastards, I had no idea people would throw unused things away.
I bet they threw away some unused plastic plates and forks too.
So much for voting for Obama.
Why isn’t there anyone rifling through the Republicans’ garbage?
Oh right. . .because it’s silly, and desperate.
Franklin
“Kandi
You are by yourself, then.”
If your last two posts are an example of you siding with me I don’t think I will lose much.
I’ve never been good at running from the truth and don’t feel the need to start now.
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Rage
Posted September 6, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink
ooooo, those bastards, I had no idea people would throw unused things away.
I bet they threw away some unused plastic plates and forks too.
So much for voting for Obama.
Why isn’t there anyone rifling through the Republicans’ garbage?
Oh right. . .because it’s silly, and desperate.
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Depends on what Denver’s policy on recycling is.
The Dem Convention organizers could be in violation of Denver City code for recycling plastic. :D
oddity: Franklin and Kandisue bantering
You really can’t make this stuff up!
The truth is, Kandi, a fetus isn’t a baby. Life doesn’t begin with conception. And Jesus was just a man.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 6, 2008 at 12:43 pm
“Hey cosmos, if you need a medical opinion, do you go to Liberal Websites and read Senate bills too?”
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Trolling again, multi-nic’d? Don’t you have anything better to do?
If I need to know what the U.S. Congress would allow in the Arctic Refuge, I read the legislation.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/sebelius-takes-on-hurricane-sarah/#comment-418386
If I need to know what impact drilling might have on the Arctic Refuge, I read this U.S. Fish & Wildlife report.
http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 6, 2008 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 6, 2008 at 12:43 pm
“Hey cosmos, if you need a medical opinion, do you go to Liberal Websites and read Senate bills too?”
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Trolling again, multi-nic’d? Don’t you have anything better to do?
If I need to know what the U.S. Congress would allow in the Arctic Refuge, I read the legislation.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/sebelius-takes-on-hurricane-sarah/#comment-418386
If I need to know what impact drilling might have on the Arctic Refuge, I read this U.S. Fish & Wildlife report.
http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4
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One day you will be outed and it will be back to your mossy hole. :D
Hey Pall,
I believe in flag recycling too! The U.S.flag I proudly fly on my front porch on holidays is the one presented to me personally by Dr. Tiller in appreciation for my volunteer efforts to preserve the law of the land from the religious dominionist nutcases.
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Jed
Posted September 6, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink
Hey Pall,
I believe in flag recycling too! The U.S.flag I proudly fly on my front porch on holidays is the one presented to me personally by Dr. Tiller in appreciation for my volunteer efforts to preserve the law of the land from the religious dominionist nutcases.
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No worries for you then.
Tiller has an incinerator on his business property.
Trolling again, multi-nic’d Regular?
Don’t you have anything better to do on a Saturday afternoon?
Reggie,
“Tiller has an incinerator on his business property.”
So? The ‘publican party has spent the last eight years trying to run the Constitution through their Chinese-made shredder. Fortunately, that “scrap of paper” is written on tough parchment!
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Jed
Posted September 6, 2008 at 1:57 pm | Permalink
Reggie,
“Tiller has an incinerator on his business property.”
So? The ‘publican party has spent the last eight years trying to run the Constitution through their Chinese-made shredder. Fortunately, that “scrap of paper” is written on tough parchment!
======================
What constitutional violation in the past eight years have you suffered as a result?
#
cosmos_originally
Posted September 6, 2008 at 1:36 pm | Permalink
Trolling again, multi-nic’d Regular?
Don’t you have anything better to do on a Saturday afternoon?
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It’s no trouble at all. I can pop in any time. :D
Reggie,
None yet, but not for your favorite president’s lack of of trying. Of course there may be a dossier with your name on it floating around somewhere, but that’s classified (for now).
Just found an interesting facttoid on the Drudge report;
” The Republican convention was the most-watched convention on television ever, beating a standard set by the Democrats a week earlier. ”
It seems as if the GOP has energized their base big time.
Ohh be still my soul…. a FACT on the Drudge Report?? gee, the world must be coming to an end!!
Franklin
Posted September 6, 2008 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
Kandi
You are by yourself, then.
You are hurting your own “cause” just like Fred Phelps.
Insults, especially unfounded insults, do not win political campaigns.
________________________________________________
Note to Self:
Of all people, Franklin had the sand to call down one of his own for going over the line.
Score one for the conservatives. Score one for Franklin.
Chas for you that must be exciting. You could find the same ‘fact’ on the ap page. But then you would have to face the fact that there are more people interested in the GOP that in ‘The One’ who has came to save the world.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 6, 2008 at 2:01 pm
“It’s no trouble at all. I can pop in any time.”
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Yes multi-nic’d Regular, you’re very good at making stupid troll posts.
But what you cannot do is explain why Palin is either very misinformed, or a LIAR re oil in the Arctic Refuge.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/sebelius-takes-on-hurricane-sarah/#comment-418386
cosmos_originally
Posted September 6, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 6, 2008 at 2:01 pm
“It’s no trouble at all. I can pop in any time.”
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Yes multi-nic’d Regular, you’re very good at making stupid troll posts.
But what you cannot do is explain why Palin is either very misinformed, or a LIAR re oil in the Arctic Refuge.
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Call her up and make an appointment to debate her on the issues.
I’ll even buy a ticket. :D
okobserver posted September 6, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“But then you would have to face the fact that there are more people interested in the GOP that in ‘The One’ who has came to save the world.”
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“Interest” does NOT mean that people will vote for McCain/Palin.
‘Johnny-come-lying
McCain’s 10 energy lies top Palin’s four’
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/5/82721/82943
‘Lies, damned lies, and energy politics
In her big speech, Palin repeats the GOP’s big energy lie — plus three other energy lies’
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/4/122931/0114
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 6, 2008 at 2:32 pm
“Call her up and make an appointment to debate her on the issues.”
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I don’t need to.
I’ve already proven that Palin’s claim about the 2,000-acre “plot” is FALSE.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/sebelius-takes-on-hurricane-sarah/#comment-418386
Palin is either very misinformed on an important issue, or she is a LIAR.
Reg that is a very good idea. Maybe Cosmos doesn’t want to put his version of truth up against someone who lives in Alaska.
What she said was entirely factual. The footprint of a drilling site would be roughly the size of LAX – or less than 2000 acres.
You are a no-name blogger who deals with your own staff of ‘experts’ and only listens to those that you agree with.
Everyone is entitled to their own experts. So post on.
Race baiting.
No wonder this paper is going under.
“Call her up and make an appointment to debate her on the issues.
I’ll even buy a ticket”
Do you mean Sarah Palin? Oh I doubt cosmos could get a debate.
No one seems to know just where it is they keep Sarah Palin in between trotting her out to screech to assemble throngs of like minded knuckledraggers. She’s unable or unwilling to talk to the press.
RANDY YOU FREAKIN’ LIBERAL HYPOCRITE!!!
Take a look at the Eagle Editorial Board, you boob.
Maybe you should resign so a person of color can take your place.
(Red does not count, so Brownlee does not count)
okobserver posted September 6, 2008 at 2:43 pm
“What she said was entirely factual. The footprint of a drilling site would be roughly the size of LAX – or less than 2000 acres.”
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It will NOT be “a drilling site”. The oil is scattered in mostly small “accumulations”.
okobserver: “You are a no-name blogger who deals with your own staff of ‘experts’ and only listens to those that you agree with.”
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And my ‘experts’ are listed here
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/sebelius-takes-on-hurricane-sarah/#comment-418386
* The actual legislation in the U.S. Congress that would open Area 1002 to oil exploration.
* The U.S. Geological Survey, who analyzed the seismic data from Area 1002.
* The biologists and other scientists at the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service.
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okobserver . . . WHO are YOUR ‘experts’, besides Ms. Ad Hominem?
The Eagle worried about race?
Funny they stay pretty silent on race when a crime has been commited.
The Eagle is interested in “hits,” and the topics that generate them.
Democrats trash the US flag.
Why should this surprise anybody since they hate this country.
“This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.
“What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,” a Republican official emailed. “We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.”
I’m not sure what the DNC was supposed to do with unused hand-flags, frankly. But the Republicans are obviously questioning someone’s patriotism here.”
You can tell Facism when it comes… It comes wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross…. looks like this time, it is coming in from Alaska!! :roll:
Since Randy was at the GOP convention, perhaps he could tell us how many African-American and Hispanic delegates were in the Kansas delegation.
Or was Randy just making assumptions and passing them off as facts again?
Good grief, the Trolls are coming out of the woodwork!! And from the looks of the majority of posts here so far, it looks like the Thread Title is most appropriate!!
“The GOP White-bread Convention”
Good choice, Randy!!
Kandisue
Posted September 6, 2008 at 3:13 pm | Permalink
Democrats trash the US flag.
Why should this surprise anybody since they hate this country.
“This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage.
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OK super intellect, what should they have done with all of these little flags?
I’ll say it again >>>>
You can tell Facism when it comes… It comes wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross…. looks like this time, it is coming in from Alaska!! :roll:
Randy Scholfield!
I am so dissapointed in your blog article above!
It is not about what race or color you are!
That would be racist to make such an assumption, wouldn’t it?
It is about ideals and beliefs and who you are as a person inside.
It’s about what is right and wrong and what is best for America.
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XXX
Posted September 6, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink
________________________________________
OK super intellect, what should they have done with all of these little flags?
________________________________________________
Crickets chirping.
Something about this whole bags of flags thing doesn’t smell right.
First off, the story comes here first courtesy of “Franklin”. We are all familiar with his level of credibility.
On researching the matter just a bit, it seems John McCain was prepared to chastise the DNC about the flags in his speech. But I heard his speech and he said nothing about this.
This looks to me like some kind of stunt that they decided not to play.
In any case, with all the problems that this country has, it doesn’t say much positive about the GOP for making a big deal out of this.
They’re kinda desperate. Have you looked at the electoral maps — ANY of them? Looks like few options for the McCain / Palin ticket. And electoral votes is how a POTUS is elected.
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American
Posted September 6, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
Randy Scholfield!
I am so dissapointed in your blog article above!
It is not about what race or color you are!
That would be racist to make such an assumption, wouldn’t it?
It is about ideals and beliefs and who you are as a person inside.
It’s about what is right and wrong and what is best for America.
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What a steaming crock!
“It is about ideals and beliefs and who you are as a person inside.”
Not if you’re a republican.
“It is about ideals and beliefs and who you are as a person inside.”
No, it’s all about “I got mine, the hell with you”. It’s about “we don’t want THOSE people in our party”.
Leave it to the MSM to come up with that same old story of how Republicans are white fascist pigs who hate all people that are not white. The only people who believe that old wives tale is the lifelong die hard democrats who still think that the Democratic Party is “for the working man” and the lying mainstream media themselves.
They are so desperate to find something negative about Governor Palin that they have stooped to the race card once again. The irony is they would love to trash Sarah Palin but every time they do, they get called on it. Anyway, they are supposed to be above all of that caveman neandrathal biased prejudice stuff; I mean come on they are the progressive ones, right? In a pig’s eye.
This whole pick of Governor Palin is showing the true colors of the MSM and their Democratic Party. THEY ARE the pig-headed prejudice liars. They have been telling us all along, they are for women, for blacks, etc. But who can forget how they treated Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice and now the first woman VP pick. Admit, all you dem libs, you hate anyone who doesn’t value your socialistic(communistic) views.
BlueJay
Posted September 6, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Something about this whole bags of flags thing doesn’t smell right.
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BJ, it’s garbage. Of course it smells bad, LOL!
Repugs just don’t want to admit that they dig through other people’s garbage.
TheBorgHunter
Posted September 6, 2008 at 4:09 pm | Permalink
Leave it to the MSM to come up with that same old story of how Republicans are white fascist pigs who hate all people that are not white.
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Oh I’d say that pretty well sums it up.
OK wise guy, I’ll ask you “The Question”, the one no republican dares answer:
How many black republicans serve in the House and Senate?
Feel free to combine the numbers to make the total look bigger.
The Fundamentalist Christian Dominionists who have taken over the Republican Party, and who want to take over the whole country for God and Flag, are nothing more than the American Taliban… Look at the heart of their Platform (not the one from the convention, but the one they take on the road)… It is SO obvious…. And millions will not be any he wiser, until it beats them over the head with the Cross, and covers their dead corpses with a Flag!!
To be accurate, which I’m sure is important to you, Borg, you would need to say “first Republican woman VP pick.”
Yes Randy I agree,
The Democratic party is full of ignorant, stupid and gullible people, they thrive off of folks of lower mentalities like journalists.
Ya know, a quick check of history finds that this really isnt a FIRST with Sarh Palin… WAY back in 1964, the Republicans attempted to raise a WOMAN candidate for the Presidency… AGAINST Goldwater even…. Anybody remember Margaret Chase Smith??
And then, one year, the Democrats had a real firey black woman, try to make a run for the nomination…. Anybody remember Ms. Shirley Chisolm???
So, it isnt really “new” — It just hasnt even gotten this far before…
But the way people are acting, you would think McCain has parted the Red(Reed) Sea!!
Off topic, but since this thread seems to be where the action is, I have a question.
If a presidential candidate dies before the election, does the VP candidate move up, does the party choose a new candidate, or what?
Chas, my dear friend, how are you this fine day?
It seems you are still playing the same tired old song!
DNFTT
Democrats (Liberal mostly, and except for Lieberman)
Do
Not
Formulate
The
Truth
Radical Fascist Liberal Extremists
American…. your total arrogance AND ignorance is showing…. FACISTS are FAR from being Liberal…. Never have been… Always the right (reich) wingers….
What a nincompoop!!
Good question, PreD…. I believe they select a new candidate…. such as when Bobby Kennedy was slaughtered….
Yes he should have used Marxist. Or Communist.
BTW, Americcan, WHAT song would that be??
Or are you just out for your usual TROLL??
LOL
XXX posted September 6, 2008 at 4:10 pm
“BJ, it’s garbage. Of course it smells bad, LOL!”
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Exactly what “garbage” was in the bags?
All I see in the photo here is bundles of flag (no “garbage”), like people had collected them to reuse later.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/09/06/republican-recycling/
If a presidential candidate dies before the election, does the VP candidate move up, does the party choose a new candidate, or what?
My understanding of the process is that it’s completely up to them (the party). If McCain checked out before November, that would be chaos. Even the yi-ho-Palin theocratic wing might have second thoughts about whether she would be their best candidate. Others would say “c’mon now, November, there’s no time!”
The sympathy vote would be played for all it was worth.
Or they could pull a Mel Carnahan. The guy died shortly before the election–his wife stepped in, in black. John Ashcroft was screwed–Mel was still on the ballot. He couldn’t really campaign hard against his widow (hey, let’s see those tears, Sarah!).
He lost to a dead man.
And unlikely but very frightening scenario, Pre. Excuse me, but right now I’m praying to anyone for John McCain’s good health. <:-|
Mr_Kia
Posted September 6, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
Yes he should have used Marxist. Or Communist.
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Well, you should know Mr. Kia, since you would seem to be one of them… :-)
Thanks, Chas. That’s what I thought, but I’d forgotten about Bobby. I was just stuck on the question.
I agree 100% Cosmos…. no garbage… rather, Many Flags, nice, neatly rolled up, still on their sticks…. all ready to be used at other rallies, and gatherings…. Not disrespected the way our resident Troll Liar Franklin portrayed them earlier…
Franklin, YOU sir, are a JOKE… well, you would be if you were funny…. As it is, you are quite SAD!!
Well, PreD, it is certainly an appropriate question, given Mr. McCain’s poor health….
XXX
Posted September 6, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink
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American
Posted September 6, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
Randy Scholfield!
I am so dissapointed in your blog article above!
It is not about what race or color you are!
That would be racist to make such an assumption, wouldn’t it?
It is about ideals and beliefs and who you are as a person inside.
It’s about what is right and wrong and what is best for America.
___________________________________________
What a steaming crock!
“It is about ideals and beliefs and who you are as a person inside.”
Not if you’re a republican.
“It is about ideals and beliefs and who you are as a person inside.”
No, it’s all about “I got mine, the hell with you”. It’s about “we don’t want THOSE people in our party”.
I guess your tag (XXX) means you are obscene or something eh?
The truth of the matter is this.
The heart of a person comes first (their character), for this is how God sees them (according to scripture) and no Pastor Chas, I am not saying I know the mind of God.
A person’s skin color should not come into the picture, whether they hold the nomination for president or not.
Also, a person’s gender (male or female) should not come into the picture, whether they hold the nomination for vice-president or not.
As Americans, we have freedom and responsibility, but justice, tempered with mercy is there as well, with the hand up of charity to help those who need it and will accept it.
It is not the role of an overreaching bureaucracy to perform this role but your neighbor, your family, your coworker, your friends, your church.
Rage,
McCain was the first to come to mind. I started wondering when someone on a blog pointed out that McCain is looking a little worse with each appearance. But as I mulled it over, I did think of Obama, too.
PreD — I think of Obama along those lines, too… I know of many in the Party who are most concerned about that…
XXX,
What do you think the role of the government is?
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES
Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.
Full story here:
http://tinyurl.com/6zetn4
Is your tag XXX?
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 6, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink
“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
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I started to write an angry response to Monkeyhawk’s post. But how do you shame someone who has no standards or morals?
So, I’ll just let it stand as its own testament, just in case anyone would ever take this jerk seriously.
You win, Monkeyhawk, no one could possibly be as vile as you.
Apparently, Outlander failed to read the Link…. :roll:
Apparently it’s no better then the National Enquirer Gossip Rag.
The website does not have a credible source.
End of story.
And predictably, Tweedledumb (Chas) arrives on the scene with his own idiocy. I thought alleged ministers at least pretended to have morals.
I forgot about you.
XXX (And not Chas),
What do you think the purpose of the government is?
Chas
It is ENTIRELY possible for the left wing to be FASCIST.
There are Communist and Marxist and Socialist countries, in the world, that could easily be called “fascist” —
I’m not at all surprised to learn that Sarah Palin is a racist.
Good find Monkeyhawk.
Amazing how the CONS favorite mantra is how web sites arent credible when the articles dont agree with their opinions/views….
What a crock!!
So what is their source then???????????????
Monkey
Sarah Palin’s HUSBAND has Eskimo ancestry.
That, alone, is reason to doubt your BS link.
She is supposed to have said that Eskismos were “Arctic Arabs”???
Why, when her husband is part Eskimo?
XXX posted September 6, 2008 at 4:10 pm
“BJ, it’s garbage. Of course it smells bad, LOL!”
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Exactly what “garbage” was in the bags?
All I see in the photo here is bundles of flag (no “garbage”), like people had collected them to reuse later.
Nice litte try for some liberal spin but we all know different.
To democrats that flag is trash. Wonder if the Eagle will make this front page tomorrow?
“According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and who asked that her last name not be used,”
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Chuckle…. The “source” used to base the article Monkeyhawk posted.
Lies and Desperation of the left. There is an old saying along the lines of that it you get in with pigs, you are going to get dirty.
So, I am out of here before I get some on me. Gross.
She is married to Todd Palin, part Yupik Eskimo, who is a lifelong Alaskan, works at a non-management union job in the oil industry and also as a commercial salmon fisherman. He is a four-time champion of the Iron Dog, the world’s longest snowmobile race. ”
http://www.conservapedia.com/Sarah_Palin
Monkey, as always, you are full of crap.
Chas
But the way people are acting, you would think McCain has parted the Red(Reed) Sea!!
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No, that is where you’re wrong. It was Barack Obama who parted the sea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id1IKJGVkvg
“Franklin” strains –
“Sarah Palin’s HUSBAND has Eskimo ancestry.
That, alone, is reason to doubt your BS link.”
Yeah. And gangstah rappers never use the word “n*gger,” right?
Try again, “Franklin.” Maybe he’s only 44% Eskimo.
PreD — I think of Obama along those lines, too… I know of many in the Party who are most concerned about that…
Chas,
As well they and we should be.
Earlier today I watched a trailer for “Milk”, a new movie coming out. Because I didn’t know who Harvey Milk was, I check wiki for info. (KFG will smack me for that, I’m sure.) Here’s what it said:
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Harvey Bernard Milk (22 May 1930 – 27 November 1978) was the first openly gay city supervisor of San Francisco, California, and gay rights activist.[1] He was, according to Time magazine, “the first openly gay man elected to any substantial political office in the history of the planet.”[2]
As the “Mayor of Castro Street,” he was active during a time of substantial change in San Francisco politics and increasing visibility of gay and lesbian people in American society.[1] He was assassinated in 1978, along with Mayor George Moscone, by recently resigned city supervisor Dan White, making him a LGBT community “martyr”.[1] White’s relatively mild sentence for the murders led to the White Night Riots, and eventually the abolition of diminished capacity defense in California.
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There really are people STILL out there who are radical enough to do the stupid thing. I’m hoping all candidates stay safe and healthy.
Yeah, some phrase quote from some unknown waitress somewhere on some day and a guy who lives in Idaho that hasn’t lived in Alaska for two years.
Wink, yeah…sources…
It’s all the Democraps have folks, they have to make this up.
Pre
Actually, one of the sad things in the AFTERMATH of the Milk case?
An innocent man went to prison for defending himself against a sexual predator.
It is difficult to defend yourself against a sexual attack, in San Francisco, if you are attacked by a homosexual!
Pifarre DESERVED to die.
That is the risk you take, when you try to rape someone.
Instead?
The left wing in San Francisco sent an innocent man to prison, for defending against a homosexual sexual predator!
http://www.amicusveritas.org/AMPLP/freethesailor/index.htm
Franklin
Posted September 6, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink
Pifarre DESERVED to die.
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And yall wonder why self-professed Xians tend to get creamed around here?
Pedant
Pifarre was a well known sexual predator.
There is NO DOUBT about that fact.
However, Pifarre was also rich, and very well connected in the San Francisco political world.
While you wax romantic about the Harvey Milk case, you should see what the “mob rule” after that case, has done to the cause of justice, in San Francisco.
“Franklin” fantasizes –
“An innocent man went to prison for defending himself against a sexual predator.”
Funny how Dan White didn’t claim self-defense for assassinating Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone. Instead, he got off using the infamous “Twinkie Defense.”
From wiki (horrors!) –
On November 27, 1978, White went to San Francisco City Hall to meet with Moscone and make a final plea to get his job back. After Moscone turned down his request, White shot and killed Moscone, then reloaded and walked over to Milk’s office and shot Milk five times, resulting in his death, the final shot made at very close range. He then fled City Hall and turned himself in at a police station where he had been an officer.
If one were fair minded, one might tend to think that self-professed Christians would leave the judging to God.
(There’s probably a verse, but I ain’t no Bible expert, sorry.)
One would tend to think that right up to the point where the highly judgmental Franklin says somebody DESERVES to die. (I am fairly confident you will find another verse in the Bible to justify your judgement, however… yall always do :roll: )
Like I said, yall wonder why self-professed Xians like Franklin tend to get creamed around here?
http://www.stopthinkvote.com/whatsnew/palinjet.html
Here’s a TWOFER! John McCain caught in an error or an outright lie. Sarah Palin is standing next to him and does nothing to correct the record.
Cons think it is cool that Palin sold the Governor’s plane on Ebay. Except? She didn’t.
She did LIST the plane on Ebay and then…
Well, read it for yourself. The upshot is the Alaska voters took a bath on a plane so that Sarah Palin could have a talking point.
Oops, meant that for the Palin thread. It fits here anyway.
“BlueJay” –
I like this part of the story:
“…the jet did not sell on eBay. It was sold to a businessman from Valdez named Larry Reynolds, who paid $2.1 million for the plane — shy of the $2.7 million purchase price — according to news reports at the time. Reynolds contributed to Palin’s campaign in 2006.”
A sweetheart deal for a political crony? Who does she think she is? Cheney?!
(I thought the Vice-President was supposed to be shuffled off to “an undisclosed location” after the election, not before.)
Good on you Monkeyhawk.
I forgot to mention that while the state of Alaska was taking a bath on the plane, a political crony of Governor Palin got a sweet deal on it.
This woman has SO many instances of incompetence and bad management and shady dealing that it is hard to keep track.
There was also an amount paid to the agent who arranged the sale.
McCain calls this making a profit.
He will treat the economy of the U.S. with the same sort of disregard and lies.
If you are killed while sexually attacking another person?
Yes, I think you deserve what you get.
Even death.
Do you care to argue that point with me?
Seems to me that Michael Dukakis did just that, when asked what he would think about the death penalty, should someone rape his wife.
How did that work out?
BJ
Are you, somehow, an expert on the “Bluebook value” of USED aircraft?
No?
Well, I didn’t think so.
How many of you have ever sold your car for more than you paid for it?
Airplanes are DEPRECIATING assets.
Get a clue.
Kathleen Sebelius sold a huge fleet of state-owned automobiles.
She brags, frequently, about that decision.
Anyone care to figure out the purchase price, vs the price our Governor Sebelius sold them for?
Franklin, Before you tie your self in knots, remember McCain is the person who said she sold the plane for a profit. Now you’re telling us all how ridiculous that was of him to say such a thing. We already knew it was ridiculous AND a lie.
Franklin YOU should go lecture John McCain.
He is the one who said the plane was sold at a profit. Go school him.
Great minds think alike there linda.
Franklin
Posted September 6, 2008 at 7:06 pm | Permalink
If you are killed while sexually attacking another person?
Yes, I think you deserve what you get.
Even death.
Do you care to argue that point with me?
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No. I don’t disagree.
However, if you can’t see how such a statement, “…DESERVES to die” (the recepient of your judgement is irrelevant, as I read your Bible), causes posters on this website to ridicule both the opinons and the religion of self-professsed pro-life Christians, then I believe you’ve just made my point for me.
Thanks for that, but I gotta tell you it’s a hollow victory for me.
Pedant
The right to defend ones own person, as well as the right to defend the life of another person, are truly Christian values.
Deadly force is justified, to defend yourself, or anyone else, against sexual assault.
However, in San Francisco, mob rule prevailed, after the Harvey Milk case.
The mob rule of San Francisco was directly responsible for an innocent man going to prison, for the “crime” of defending himself against a sexual predator!
Franklin, it doesn’t make you any less of a man to apologize when you’re wrong, when you’ve said a bonehead thing.
There you go, I guess somebody had to say it.
(I thought the Vice-President was supposed to be shuffled off to “an undisclosed location” after the election, not before.)
Late Thursday night word was out that the Palin family was returning to AK for a short time. Apparently, that didn’t happen, or at least there was an appearance in Minnesota (I think) on Friday. I haven’t kept up on who has appeared where since then, but I did see something to the effect that Palin would be out on her own soon. Until then, she’ll be appearing with McCain.
I do not see the problem with what I have said.
No, you can not kill someone in spite, or in revenge.
However, if in the ACT of defending yourself, another person dies?
Tough breaks! We have every right to kill anyone who sexually assaults us, in order to protect ourselves.
That is the law.
It is also morally justified under most major religions.
The mob rule of San Francisco was directly responsible for an innocent man going to prison
How so, Franklin? What mob rule and when?
Someone brought up the Harvey Milk case, upthread.
I have made the point that, “post Harvey Milk” the “gay community” in San Francisco, was out for blood.
Steve Nary, a Navy Sailor, was picked up, in a bar, by a very wealthy sexual predator.
Steven Nary defended himself, killing his attacker.
Gay rights activists showed up in court, demanding Nary’s head on a platter.
The judge did very little to guarantee a fair trial.
It is a complete miscarriage of justice.
http://www.amicusveritas.org/AMPLP/chronology.htm
I was the one who brought up Harvey Milk. If I’d known you (Franklin) were going to go nutso over it…
There’s very little on the ‘net about Steven Nary, so, except for your right-wing gay-bashing link, it’s hard to tell what happened. Apparently the jury didn’t believe Nary’s story.
Harvey Milk was murdered in 1978. The Nary case was in 1996, 18 years later.
And I’m done on this subject.
Franklin
Posted September 6, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink
I do not see the problem with what I have said.
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As I’ve pointed out a handful of time now, the problem with what you’ve said is that it leads, directly, to the disparagement by some on this website of your religion.
Since you apparently need to see one, here’s the bottom line: your attitudes, as expressed in your writing (”DESERVES to die”) here contribute significantly to what others, including you, have characterized as anti-Christian sentiments posted here.
So in the future, please abstain from accusing others here of attacking Chirstianity without reason.
Because writing that someone “DESERVES to die” implies that your judgment is superior to that of God’s, and gives those posters justification for attacking “pro-life” Christians in particular.
I can’t believe I have to explain this to you. What are you, twelve?!?
Hey idiots, Franklin is right. I cannot believe the idiocy of your argument. When someone has to defend themselves they are the innocent ones. Sounds like a hate crime in reverse. You know, hate crimes go both ways and anytime you have a mob, the mob becomes the criminal.
If I were you crazy dems, I would be careful. For the day will come when you are the ones who are attacked, especially if you are white or white and a male.
Pedant
“If one were fair minded, one might tend to think that self-professed Christians would leave the judging to God.”
Pendant do you believe in God?
I mean the God of the Bible the one who said most people will go to hell.
TheBorgHunter
“If I were you crazy dems, I would be careful. For the day will come when you are the ones who are attacked, especially if you are white or white and a male.”
This is so true but what is really sad is the number of ignorant whites who can’t comprehend this.
Pre,
It seems Palin and McCain are campaigning together. They were in Colorado today. No interviews, although she did deliver the radio address today. She is only in situations that involve written speeches.
She is to go home early / mid week and I think Lieberman is planning to tutor her in foreign policy for awhile. She has to bone up on quite a lot to prepare for the VP debate in early October (less than a month I’m thinking). Then there are the legal problems in Alaska and her son leaving…
IF she does leave the campaign trail and McCain goes it alone will he go back to drawing smaller crowds? What will he think of that?
I don’t know if / when they ever intend to let her out on her own or face any interviews.
I heard it suggested that media should refuse coverage of campaigns events to those unwilling / unable to submit to questions.
Maybe she will only go home for the time McCain is in New York for the nine eleven memorials. Both Obama and McCain will attend those on Thursday.
Did you hear cheney let nine eleven slip up on him and he has needed to rush to get his shopping done? I;ll go find that article.
Cheney Waits Until Last Minute Again To Buy Sept. 11 Gifts
Busy dealing with important paperwork and other vice presidential duties in recent weeks, Dick Cheney was forced to put off until the last minute a cherished annual tradition: gift-shopping for his favorite holiday, 9/11.
“I looked at the calendar yesterday, and I couldn’t believe my eyes—9/11 is almost here!” a rosy-cheeked Cheney said upon returning to the White House Sunday with two giant bags overflowing with gift-wrapped boxes and big red bows. “It’s the most wonderful time of the year.”
While Cheney is known by many to be cold and taciturn for the other 11 months of the year, those close to the vice president say there is something about the 9/11 season that puts a smile on his face and a spring in his step. Each Sept. 11 morning since 2001, Cheney has come to work donning a fireman costume and handed out small, thoughtful gifts to all White House staffers. In addition, at his home on 9/11 Eve, Cheney lays out large piles of presents for his children and grandchildren underneath the colorfully lit, six-foot-tall 9/11 towers that he sets up by the fireplace.
Although Cheney himself has never received any Sept. 11 gifts, with the exception of a pair of silk pajamas from his wife and a second term in office, he insisted that he gets more joy from giving than receiving. According to Cheney, Sept. 11 is a time to reflect and give thanks for all the benefits and blessings 9/11 has given him in the past.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/cheney_waits_until_last_minute
In case you guys missed it, it seems the Republicans don’t exactly love the media. Enjoy this charming video, courtesy of The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank. It’ titled, “Washington Sketch: The Eastern Media Elite”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/09/05/VI2008090501238.html?hpid=artslot
“and I think Lieberman is planning to tutor her in foreign policy for awhile.”
— Ms. Inks
Jews good, Arabs bad.
“This is so true but what is really sad is the number of ignorant whites who can’t comprehend this.” — Kandipoo
Ask the Brazilians.
Race is just a complexion. Lips are what all people kiss their babies with.
lindainks55
Posted September 6, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink
Cheney Waits Until Last Minute Again To Buy Sept. 11 Gifts
…But amid all the decorating and gift-giving, Vice President Cheney is careful not to let all the 9/11 festivities distract him from the deeper significance the day holds.
“Sometimes, in all the hustle and bustle of the se
ason, it’s easy to forget the true meaning of Sept. 11,” Cheney said. “Sept. 11 is not about fancy 9/11 parades, or big 9/11 office parties. In fact, it’s not even just about two buildings crumbling to the ground and leaving thousands of innocent people dead.”
“No,” Cheney continued. “No, 9/11 is about the warm feeling you get when you help an elderly woman cross the street and then whisper to her that the terrorists can strike at any moment. 9/11 is about the satisfaction of telling people to do things and then them doing it—not because they want to, but because they are afraid to do otherwise. 9/11 is about removing Saddam Hussein from power. But most of all, 9/11 is about love.”
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/cheney_waits_until_last_minute
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:lol:
(the power of satire, clarifed by Jonathan Swift) (and youse all!)
Sarah Palin: lipstick pitbull
While the killer librarian got hard-right hearts racing, McCain could only flop over the line
So hi there. Welcome to Pig’s Eye, Minnesota. Funny old name. Funny old place. Minnesota. It’s Indian for “wrap up warm”. The Sioux used to say, “We’re going to Pig’s Eye” and their mother would say, “Minnesota”. And then, as so often happens, the religious right came along and spoilt everything. And changed Pig’s Eye to St Paul and told everybody to go to bed at 7pm and feel guilty.
St Paul is the state capital, although nobody knows that. Everyone thinks it’s Minneapolis next door. They call them the Twin Cities and St Paul suffers from sibling envy. Minneapolis is bigger, louder and picks up loose women. Minneapolis used to be called All Saints, but to stick it back to the Catholics they renamed it Minneapolis, which is Indian for “I’m not wearing any knickers”.
The Republicans chose St Paul for their convention because, like Colorado, Minnesota is a swing state. It doesn’t swing very far and it doesn’t swing very often and it doesn’t swing in a way that is exciting. This is where the Swedes and Norwegians came to try to whittle Scandinavia out of the hem of Canada. Back home they grew to be the most liberal nations in the world. Here they grew silent and maudlin. There’s a Minnesotan joke – only the one. It goes like this: there was an old Norwegian man who loved his wife so much he almost told her. That was so funny I almost laughed.
Minnesotans are hard, dour, diligent Calvinists with handmade virtues, genetic stoicism and long underwear. They boast a state characteristic called “Minnesotan nice”, and they are. They have an unrelenting, unwavering, unvarying and unquestioning niceness.
more…
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4690544.ece
American
Posted September 6, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
I guess your tag (XXX) means you are obscene or something eh?
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Come on American, let’s not be stupid. If the first thing that comes to your mind is obscenity when you see “XXX”, you have a very narrow view. If your next guess has any thing to do with booze, you’re irretrievably dense.
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American
Posted September 6, 2008 at 4:53 pm | Permalink
XXX,
What do you think the role of the government is?
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Establish Justice,
Insure domestic Tranquility,
Provide for the common defense,
Promote the general welfare,
Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
American,What do you think the role of the government is?
When it comes to governing styles (ie, governing by gut instinct),
Sarah Palin = George W Bush
Are you happy with the overall direction of the USA under the leadership of George W Bush? If so, then you’ll LOVE Sarah Palin!
How can it be that Obama is getting roughly 50% in the polls, across America, across ethnic, gender, and economic lines, but he receives 93% ! of the votes in black precincts? Are these people ALL democrats? Or are they voting on race alone? Methinks the latter. So if you want to point fingers at one party not being “diverse” enough for you, I suggest you ponder this.
Linda,
My friend’s pit bull is highly offended by the comparison with Sarah; “I’m better looking and better trained, even house-broken, and they try to say I’m vicious? tell her to bring her meaty ass to my kennel and say That!”
All the talk of more drilling at the convention has won the endorsement of the American Dental Association. “Here’s a platorm we dentists can get behind in a big way!” says Association President Doctor Orrin Scrivello,DDS.
Not everyone loves the vicious pit bull, even if the bitch has lipstick on.
Phant,
That’s not lipstick and it’s all over fangs too.
Borghunter:”If I were you crazy dems, I would be careful. For the day will come when you are the ones who are attacked, especially if you are white or white and a male.”
The nasty troll Kandisue responds to Borghunter: “This is so true but what is really sad is the number of ignorant whites who can’t comprehend this.”
And MartyG makes this Opinion linesque comment: “How can it be that Obama is getting roughly 50% in the polls, across America, across ethnic, gender, and economic lines, but he receives 93% ! of the votes in black precincts? Are these people ALL democrats? Or are they voting on race alone? Methinks the latter. So if you want to point fingers at one party not being ‘diverse’ enough for you, I suggest you ponder this.”
People really are ignorant of recent history regarding this country and people of recent apparent African ancestry. Marty’s whine about people who are black being largely of one mind about Barack Obama, implying that it is the blacks and Democrats who are non-diverse, is an incredibly silly fallacy of equivalence. The histories of treatment of people of different “races” in this country have left effects it will probably take a century or more to overcome. There is a reason why the income disparity is still so huge, why suburban neighborhoods tend to be ethnically non-diverse. Sundown towns were still in existence within most of our lifetimes. At the Democratic convention, there was a lot of people of all sorts in the audience. There was not in the Republican convention. That is an immediate visual measurement of diversity.
And Borghunter’s hint that “they” will come for YOU because you are white, or white and male, and Kandisue’s agreement, plus the reliably stupid comments that appear on Opinion Line, speak to a very real issue for the Republicans (hint: When people complain about the column of Leonard Pitts as being “racist”, they are telling you that they are truly, truly clueless about issues of rcae. Pitts is one of the most careful editorial writers in America, and those who whine about the slate of editorial writers in the Wichita Eagle truly seem to ignore what a gem this guy is.)
It should be noted that this is NOT a conservative issue (in spite of some of the left leaning posters here who try to make it one), there are actually a large number of even coalition conservatives who are likely to be very accepting of ethnic diversity, as long as it doesn’t involve diversity in religion and romantic/sexual orientation anyway. But, there are joined by their conservative bretheren who are not, and that comes largely because the coalition was forged with individuals who were frustrated with the federal government’s role in forcing civil rights reforms forward. You guys do grave harm to your own cause with your comments, and some of your bretheren are very worried about it. I have indicated that Bush Lite was the worst president, probably in the last century, because he largely did things impulsively for short term political gain without thought to long term consequences. Put another way, he followed the impulses of people like Rove. But Bush and Rove, and for that matter people like Brownback, are not thinking short term demographically. America is browning. It is inevitable (and it is still inevitable if “illegal” immigration were to be stopped cold turkey, now). People like Brownback and Rove see the personally social conservative tendencies in some populations of “brown” people and rightly see an opportunity, but other conservatives, whose rank and file voices are too often heard the loudest (very few office holders would dare say the sorts of garbage that Borghunter and Kandisue said here), shoot their own cause in the foot by expressing their own fears and ignorance (For example, they start off talking about illegal immigration, but then in their English only and generalizations about who illegals are, they make it clear that “illegal” in this case is simply an excuse to try to play their racism from the moral high ground. I am not saying that everyone who is concerned about illegal immigration is a racist, but racists are most certainly not above using concern about illegal immigration as a cover to express their own noxious views, and many people, includng those people who are here legally and indeed are citizens, can easily see the racists for who they are.) The makeup of the Republican convention IN PART reflects this problem, and for the long term prospects of the Republican party, it is a problem. There are Republicans who want to welcome ANYBODY sympathetic with their views (e.g., Franklin, who has his problems with bullsh*t, falls into this category), but they are short circuited by people who represent themselves as conservative Republicans and who call into Opinion Lines and post on blogs around the country.
And I can easily anticipate historically illiterate rants about the history of the Democratic party during the early years of the civil rights movement. Well, there’s truth in it, but no relevance to today’s political demographic picture. Why? Because guess what party the vast majority of the descendents of those Democrats now identify themselves as being? It’s not Democratic. Lyndon Johnson’s prediction has come true.
Why do blacks not support Palin?
Well the black Muslim Obama said he is in favor of repartitions – in other words blacks get something for nothing.
The Palin ticket believes that you should get what you work for.
Anybody see many blacks in favor of getting what they work for in the GOP?
Apparently the party who promises free stuff is the most diverse. Or is it party of the most corrupt?
Pedant
Sarah Palin = George W Bush
Are you happy with the overall direction of the USA under the leadership of George W Bush?
No but Obama the Muslim will be worse.
“Then you’ll LOVE Sarah Palin!”
Agree a lot of us are really exicted about her mainly for the reasons the liberals hate.
She is a conservative — Bush is a lot more liberal.
Bush is really alot more like Obama than he is Sarah.
From everything I’ve heard those who don’t support the McCain / Palin ticket (please note no one will vote for Palin alone) want real economic progress, alternative energy pursued aggressively, our troops brought home, individual freedoms protected, science respected, education made a priority, corporate welfare and tax cuts for the world’s wealthiest curtailed, affordable health care available for all Americans, our environment protected.
Since the Mccain / Palin ticket doesn’t offer Americans any of those desired policies people will vote the Obama / Biden ticket.
Oh, and it has nothing to do with the color of anyone’s skin.
“..Bush is a lot more liberal. Bush is really alot more like Obama than he is Sarah. ”
Especially with regard to spending.
McCain’s economic policy is to continue the bush economic policy.
African American working people just seem to have more common sense that their white counterparts.
This may be because they have a history that knows what exploitation means. Many, perhaps most white people, particularly men don’t get that they are just tools to make other people more money. That and a lot of them have “god” muddying up their thinking making them think they deserve their lot in life how ever bad it is.
Linda, if you were president, what would be your economic policy?
I’m not running. I’m voting. And, truth is I live in Kansas and my vote probably won’t count. The comfort I take is that the newly found excitement in the Republican ticket is in states where McCain was already going to take those electoral votes. Winning those states by a larger majority won’t get him additional electoral votes. ;-)
Here’s where you can find the Obama economic policy:
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
We already know the McCain policies, we’re (barely!) living through them. Eight years was eight too many, four more isn’t going o happen.
C’mon, Linda. You’re good at copy/pasting the opinions of the media pundits, surely you have some of your own.
What would help the economy? Raising taxes?
This article states my opinion better than I could. Why would I retype it when it’s already written down? Doesn’t seem efficient to me.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121867201724238901.html
Linda,
You’re quickly establishing yourself as a koolaid drinker. Think for yourself!
Tell me, how will raising taxes help the economy?
KSGolfnut, Your opinion of me isn’t important. I posted information about my opinions. If you want to know what I think, read the link. It’s all there. I’m not going to retype it, rehash it. You’ve asked a question, I’ve given an answer. If it isn’t the answer you want, you’ll need to go elsewhere for that info.
Kandisue
Posted September 7, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
Why do blacks not support Palin?
Well the black Muslim Obama said he is in favor of repartitions – in other words blacks get something for nothing.
The Palin ticket believes that you should get what you work for.
Anybody see many blacks in favor of getting what they work for in the GOP?
Apparently the party who promises free stuff is the most diverse. Or is it party of the most corrupt?
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Kandisue = Racist Bitch!!!
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Chas
Posted September 7, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
Kandisue
Posted September 7, 2008 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
Why do blacks not support Palin?
Well the black Muslim Obama said he is in favor of repartitions – in other words blacks get something for nothing.
The Palin ticket believes that you should get what you work for.
Anybody see many blacks in favor of getting what they work for in the GOP?
Apparently the party who promises free stuff is the most diverse. Or is it party of the most corrupt?
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Kandisue = Racist Bitch!!!
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Isn’t it time to change your panties and kotex Chas?
Much was made of the columns set behind Senator Obama for his speech.
I’ve not heard the cons, or anyone else explain why it was THEIR convention stage was altered for John McCain.
They spent all day rearranging the stage so that McCain would appear as to be in more of a town hall forum. John’s good at that.
Except? It’s not really a town hall forum if you are just making a speech and not taking questions.
Why wasn’t the stage altered to put Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin in the same format? Do they not want Sarah too close to people, even if they are cons? Is Sarah Palin just a little play pretty they don’t want anyone to get too close to?
Why don’t people of either and or any color just admit that they are racist and get it over with. The people who talk about Palin’s gender should admit they are sexist. People never ask if a man with a family is going to be able to do right by his children. Both parties are corrupt and need to be dismantled and some real American patriots need to be installed. Just admit the hypocrisy of party lines and your own hypocrisy in the political lockstep.
The point being is that what ever you allow; you will have to endure. If your idea of voting is for a handout…you will get one from the IRS saying pay here, pay now… If your idea of color or gender bias is paramount that is a poor excuse. America is getting more and more racially mixed every year…true?
Who will be better for America and who will do right by all the legal citizens? What will bring back American prosperity, who will create jobs and who will give us a safe and secure future? Who will cut the pork and and needless spending in the Congress and Senate? Who will manage the deficit without putting an unfair burden on the taxpayers? Who is willing to think outside the box and use their vote for the people not the party?
If we the people do not reclaim our country from the career politicians who live like royalty and treat the taxpayers like work horses…we are going to see a heavier load and longer hours. We are the cash crop for a do nothing Congress, Senate and government. We pay and pay and they still figure out ways to get more and more of our money. Who will get us out of the UN and it’s corruption? They vote against us on every issue. Why are we paying them? Why are we spending all the tax money on foreign aid? They hate us too.
Why are we the taxpayers who paid for the roads and highways and infrastructure in this country now going to have to pay tolls to use the roads we built and paid for?
Why not use the foreign aid money and the UN dues to help the American people?
Why are we going along with the status quo? Why don’t we demand changes from the Congressmen and Senators we elect to represent us? For that matter the Governors, Mayors, DA’s and anyone in office? They serve by the will of the people. Why are we not raising the question from the career politicians about their retirement benefits, health care plan? Why are they getting 100% of their salaries when they retire and we get social security? They get free medical and we get Medicare. We need to change some laws and put them on SS and zMedicare….no more royalty perks. Do they work harder than you? Not really they have a very short schedule and most of it is spent arguing with each other. Ask the politicians ” What have you done for me lately?” I am sick of it all. The endless arguing from them and the trickle down to the people. That maybe the only thing we have seen trickle down from Washington. The nasty attitude and the “aha gotcha” politics….
Aren’t we tired of all of that? Let’s get something done that will change things for the betterment of the American citizens. Are we stupid?
Linda,
Your links don’t answer this question: how will raising taxes help grow the economy?
Think. For once.
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KSGolfnut
Posted September 7, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
Linda,
Your links don’t answer this question: how will raising taxes help grow the economy?
Think. For once.
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Perhaps we should rename her to lindaLinks.
Regular, she certainly likes to post them – without offering much intellectual commentary of her own.
LindaLinks. I like it.
“Why do blacks not support Palin?
“Well the black Muslim Obama said he is in favor of repartitions – in other words blacks get something for nothing.”
Knowing that this comes from an intentionally nasty troll, there are three blatant pieces of bullsh*t that I feel compelled to point out in this single statement alone (and since Kandisue is an evident troll, probably at least a couple are intentional lies):
1) The claim that Obama is a Muslim is untrue.
2) Being a muslim should not be relevant. Obvious religious bigotry.
3) Barack Obama has never made reparations a part of his platform. Being associated with people who have advocated for reparations does not count. You want to argue otherwise, please provide primary documentation to back up your bullsh*t claim.
4) Assumes that “blacks” would just support someone because they think he will give them reparations. This, folks, is classic racism. To directly paraphrase what Kandisue said, the majority of blacks are lazy and want free handouts, and that’s why you find them in the Democratic party.
Racial bigotry, religious bigotry, and outright untruths. Truly a trifecta for a troll. This response, of course, is soup for a troll like Kandisue.
But let’s be clear, at BEST Kandisue is trolling for responses, and finds taking a racist persona an amusing means to that end. Otherwise, he/she is a racial and religious bigot.
Either way, a clear loser.
KSGolfnut, given your uncritical regurgitations of supply side economic nonsense, you are hardly in the position to call anyone a KoolAid drinker.
But to answer your question for myself.
My preference for a candidate? No tax cuts for anyone, indeed, we should let all of Bush’s tax cuts lapse. Hold the line or cut on the total of discretionary spending. Any increases should be offset by decreases. Non-discretionary spending will be increased enough.
No presidential candidate will ever promise to do this, however, because it would be considered political suicide. That’s a pity, but that’s reality.
Aggie I just love how you and Junior like to paraphrase ‘what you really meant to say is’. Wow true clarivoiants. How blessed we are.
You are right that being a muslim is irrelevant and so is the fact that Palin is a Christian. That was what you were saying. Right.
Being associated with people who are in favor of repparations doesn’t make him in favor of it. True. Being friends with people who are in favor of special recognition of native Alaskans doesn’t make Palin want that same thing. That is what you meant to say. Right.
Making racists comments about a specific race undercover of ‘that is what Kandisue meant to say’ is just another way to get out your prejuidices masked as someone elses words.
Agnatha you sure nailed this one.
Kandi, Franklin is right: you’re hurting the conservative cause.
Keep up the good work!
The jawless fish writes: Being a muslim should not be relevant.
I’m sure this will come as a shock and a disappointing statement to Muslims around the world.
Agnatha,
“Letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire” is the same as raising taxes – on ALL TAX PAYERS.
How will that help stimulate the economy?
I’m sure this will come as a shock and a disappointing statement to Muslims around the world.
No doubt. And it’s self-evident that the liberals on this board would raising the alarm the loudest if some insane Wahabbi fundie was running a credible campaign for office.
But the election of Keith Ellison to represent Minnesota didn’t bring about the apocolypse.
There’s a difference between prejudging someone on the basis of their religion or lack thereof (gee, what that is?), and expressing legitimate concern about those who would run governmnent according to the dictates of their own religious dogmas, with indifference if not outright hostility to secular wisdom of such policies, or wishes of voters who do not pratice those particular beliefs.
Sarah Palin clearly falls in the latter category.
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Rage
Posted September 7, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink
I’m sure this will come as a shock and a disappointing statement to Muslims around the world.
No doubt. And it’s self-evident that the liberals on this board would raising the alarm the loudest if some insane Wahabbi fundie was running a credible campaign for office.
But the election of Keith Ellison to represent Minnesota didn’t bring about the apocolypse.
There’s a difference between prejudging someone on the basis of their religion or lack thereof (gee, what that is?), and expressing legitimate concern about those who would run governmnent according to the dictates of their own religious dogmas, with indifference if not outright hostility to secular wisdom of such policies, or wishes of voters who do not pratice those particular beliefs.
Sarah Palin clearly falls in the latter category.
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Yeah, moose hunting and getting windfall profits back to the Alaskan people found under which Church dogma?
Rage that was quite a statement of ‘fact’ you just make about Palin. Like most dim statements it had absolutely nothing to back it up.
Where is your proof that this has ever happened?
Oh I keep forgetting that if the dims say it three times it becomes fact because you saw it ’somewhere’ – nevermind that that was in a wacky left post.
Yeah, moose hunting and getting windfall profits back to the Alaskan people found under which Church dogma?
Chuckle, nice cherry-picking, though you know very much what I’m talking about.
I wasn’t aware the Governor instituted mandatory moose hunting.
Rage
Posted September 7, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink
Yeah, moose hunting and getting windfall profits back to the Alaskan people found under which Church dogma?
Chuckle, nice cherry-picking, though you know very much what I’m talking about.
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I have great fondness of the red fruit, especially when placed on ice cream, in pies and other desserts.
okobserver, given your evident difficulties in reading comprehension and projection, let me line it out for you.
1) Kandisue said this (verbatim):
“Why do blacks not support Palin?”
Kandisue asks a rhetorical question, and provides a rhetorical answer.
“Well the black Muslim Obama said he is in favor of repartitions”
Again, this is false. And there is no ambiguity here. Kandisue said “Obama said he is in favor of reparations”. And it doesn’t get any better:
” – in other words blacks get something for nothing.”
Blacks want to elect Obama so they can get something for nothing. This is a statement as to the intent and reasoning of “blacks”, and note the total lack of qualifiers here.
“The Palin ticket believes that you should get what you work for.”
Actually, of course, it’s the McCain ticket. I think this is simple trollish provocation, but it also creates a contrast (false by the way) between something he/she says Obama said (which he did not) and what the MCCAIN/Palin ticket stands for. The Republican ticket says you should work for what you get so…
“Anybody see many blacks in favor of getting what they work for in the GOP?”
Interesting rhetorical question. Why don’t you stop and think about it for a moment, okobserver.
“Apparently the party who promises free stuff is the most diverse. Or is it party of the most corrupt?”
Again, he answers his/her rhetorical question. “Anybody see many blacks in favor of getting what they work for in the GOP?”
No because “Apparently the party who promises free stuff is the most diverse.”
Must be something about those black folks and free stuff, eh?
In my paraphrase, I said:
“…the majority of blacks are lazy and want free handouts, and that’s why you find them in the Democratic party.”
I added no meaning to what Kandisue said. “They” want “free stuff” so “they” are not evident in the party that has a ticket that “…says you should work for what you get…”
As for the body of your post, classic straw man projection, probably based on the unjustified assumption that as “liberal”, you can presume that I hold views that you can then hold up to show my hypocrisy:
“You are right that being a muslim is irrelevant and so is the fact that Palin is a Christian. That was what you were saying. Right.”
I am sure that the “right” is a form of rhetorical sarcasm. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t think that Palin being a Christian by itself is relevant. If her beliefs translate into policy as a self identified Christian conservative, I would have a different opinion. As I have said several times in the past, however, I also have a different opinion in response to Islamism.
“Being associated with people who are in favor of repparations doesn’t make him in favor of it. True. Being friends with people who are in favor of special recognition of native Alaskans doesn’t make Palin want that same thing. That is what you meant to say. Right.”
This is a complete red herring, since I introduced the “associated with people” statement. Kandisue made a claim as to what Obama said regarding the topic of reparations. I’ve said nothing about Palin’s viewpoint regarding reparations for native Alaskans, and it isn’t even clear what you are talking about. And it doesn’t matter, it is an irrelevent introduction to this discussion.
Rage that was quite a statement of ‘fact’ you just make about Palin. Like most dim statements it had absolutely nothing to back it up.
Where is your proof that this has ever happened?
I’ll grant this much: she knows how to back off from a losing fight. She supports teaching religion as science, but didn’t push it as governor. She inquired about banning books at the Wasilla city library, but backed off when it threatened to hurt her politically.
She does, however, favor a U.S. constitutional amendment to nationally institute bigotry on marriage. She also wrote a two-sentence rant to the Juneau Empire declaring that San Franciso judges were trying to stop people from saying the Pledge of Allegiance (completely wrong, of course, as was her stated belief that it had something to do with Founding Fathers).
I am also disturbed by her willingless to promote government policy in terms of it being “God’s will” (implying that political opponents are somehow opposing God).
“‘Letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire’ is the same as raising taxes – on ALL TAX PAYERS.”
So?
“How will that help stimulate the economy?”
That’s your problem. You assume that “stimulating the economy” is the desired result. Short term thinking at its worst. But let me put it this way.
Our economy, regardless of the fantasies of free marketeers, is an inextricable mix of private and public sectors. Having a functioning government that can afford what it does makes for a more healthy economy. That’s reality.
“There’s a difference between prejudging someone on the basis of their religion or lack thereof (gee, what that is?), and expressing legitimate concern about those who would run governmnent according to the dictates of their own religious dogmas, with indifference if not outright hostility to secular wisdom of such policies, or wishes of voters who do not pratice those particular beliefs.
“Sarah Palin clearly falls in the latter category.”
Exactly. Nicely put Rage.
“The jawless fish writes: Being a muslim should not be relevant.
“I’m sure this will come as a shock and a disappointing statement to Muslims around the world.”
Re: Regular
DNFTT
Exactly. Nicely put Rage.
Thanks, Ag. I try to put all that time spent reading Jefferson to good use. :)
Agnatha,
The point of Linda’s post was that Obama is going to stimulate the economy via a tax increase. You jumped in to answer on her behalf and promptly contradicted her point.
Try to stay on topic?
How is a tax increase going to stimulate the economy?
I agree that a balanced budget will also provide a growth element. Obama’s plan calls for billions in new spending. How does he plan to pay for it? Answer: a tax increase.
Back to the original question…
See: Tax tables circa early 1960’s
Compare: Average American standard of living, compensation, etc of early 1960’s vs. today.
The only who gets hurt in a tax increase to address that are people who won’t miss the money anyway.
Soak ‘em.
Being the considerate person I am the following is brought over to this thread for your enjoyment and opportunity to attack, ha….which I find comical.
Hey, I don’t make this stuff up…I look around the world for news and opinion. This is true, even if it chaps your butt, ha.
“How does Iran view the possibility that Barack Hussein Obama, a former Muslim, might win the U.S. presidential election? Menashe Amir, an Israeli expert on Iran, says not only Iran but also the rest of the Muslim world, will view it as victory for Islam. In an interview with IsraCast, Menashe Amir quoted an important Iranian personality who declared: ‘If Obama enters the White House, Islam will have conquered the heart of American society!’ However, President Ahmadinejad has said that he did not believe the U.S. establishment would let Obama win.
‘If Barack Hussein Obama wins the U.S presidential election, Muslims will view it as a victory and forget that he converted from Islam to Christianity’ – that’s the view of Israeli analyst Menashe Amir. In fact one leading Iranian personality recently said: ‘If Obama enters the White House, Islam will have conquered the heart of American society’. However, President Ahmadinejad expressed concern that the U.S. establishment would not allow the Democratic frontrunner to win the presidential election.”
http://www.isracast.com/article.aspx?ID=356&t=Iran-Prefers-Obama
Rage and Aggie if what you write is what you do that might work but you are prejudicial when it comes to ‘people of faith’. I’m not going to bother to go back and pull your posts. Just the ones you have put out today prove my point.
Do I believe what my lying eyes have actually seen in your posts or do I believe the crap you two just agreed was what you have said. I think I will go with the former.
I am an avid reader of Jefferson also. I find that most dims have a real problem with ‘or free exercise thereof’. You can see a spook behind every bush if that is what you are looking for. You couldn’t even justify your latest statement about Palin. Using your favorite dodge that she knew to back away before going over the line. What a crock typical dimocrat logic.
“..Soak ‘em.”
Exactly the kind of thinking that increases unemployment.
Agnatha for the record I agree with almost none of what Kandisue says. Her extreme views are harmful to both sides of an argument. She puts me in mind the the poster Red, white and blue or something to that effect. A poster so far over the top they were unbelievable. I stated my views on this before I left for vacation. I thought this was a dim using satire or an attempt at it to put conservatites in a bad light.
When I came back that person was gone. Maybe Kandi will follow his/her lead and wander off the reservation.
“Agnatha,
“The point of Linda’s post was that Obama is going to stimulate the economy via a tax increase. You jumped in to answer on her behalf and promptly contradicted her point.
“Try to stay on topic?”
I’m not obligated to defend her point. As I said at the beginning of my response to you:
“But to answer your question for myself.” emphasis now added.
For your information, I believe both Obama’s and McCain’s economic proposals are bad. McCain’s are worse, but they are both bad.
“Rage and Aggie if what you write is what you do that might work but you are prejudicial when it comes to ‘people of faith’. I’m not going to bother to go back and pull your posts. Just the ones you have put out today prove my point.”
Why don’t you go ahead and pull up the ones from today that you think make your point, becuase I really don’t think they do. The prejudice against “people of faith” is in the eye of the beholder, and the actual posts that you believe are are self evident really aren’t.
But I am willing for you to try to prove me wrong.
Chas
“Kandisue = Racist Bitch!!!”
Wow another liberal who can’t handle the truth.
Agnatha
Posted September 7, 2008 at 5:22 pm | Permalink
But I am willing for you to try to prove me wrong.
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He’s a jawless fish. You can take him.
Agnatha,
You chose not to answer the question.
I’ll answer for you: a tax increase will not stimulate the economy. In fact, it will have a negative effect.
The answer: tax AND budget cuts.
The answer is massive infrastructure improvement and upgrade and NOT done by contractors but by government employed labor.
Boxlock
“says not only Iran but also the rest of the Muslim world, will view it as victory for Islam.
‘If Obama enters the White House, Islam will have conquered the heart of American society!’
Spoken from the lips of our enemy.
Yet the liberals can’t see anything but the hope that Obama will destroy the US.
What the liberal idiots can’t comprehend is that when the US is destroyed their families will suffer as well.
Why our enemies love Obama -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE
Maybe if were lucky Agnatha will draw us a straw woman of Obama the Muslim’s speach.
Come on give us eight paragraphs of meaningless drivel that adds up to no influence on the post.
Maybe you can throw in “radical” or “troll” in the post. That always impresses liberals when they are frustrated by the truth.
Obama screwed up and told the truth –
“Slip of the tongue or momentary confusion? In a television interview today discussing his religion,
Sen. Barack Obama stated, “My Muslim faith.”
Obama, speaking to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on “This Week,” was talking about what he described as “smears” that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Christian.
“Let’s not play games,” Obama stated. “What I was suggesting – you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come.”
Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, “Christian faith.”
“My Christian faith,” Obama quickly said. “Well, what I’m saying is that he (McCain) hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim. And I think that his campaign’s upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not who I say I am when it comes to my faith – something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time.”
The statements came amid an exchange in which Obama accused Republicans of spreading “lies” that he is a Muslim. McCain, though, has strongly condemned such accusations.
“These guys love to throw a rock and hide their hand,” Obama said.
But Stephanopoulos corrected the Illinois senator, stating, “The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections.”
Obama replied: “I don’t think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let’s say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks.”
“But John McCain said that’s wrong,” Stephanopoulos shot back.
Obama’s momentary slip was immediately picked up by scores of Internet blogs.
Obama ‘quote religious in Islam’
Obama has long denied he was ever a Muslim. His campaign site states: “Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.”
But as WND reported, public records in Indonesia listed Obama as a Muslim during his early years, and a number of childhood friends claimed to the media Obama was once a mosque-attending Muslim.
Obama’s campaign several times has wavered in response to reporters queries regarding the senator’s childhood faith.
Commenting on a recent Los Angeles Times report quoting a childhood friend stating Obama prayed in a mosque – something the presidential candidate said he never did – Obama’s campaign released a statement explaining the senator “has never been a practicing Muslim.”
Widely distributed reports have noted that in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as “L Soetoro Ma,” worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.
Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students but exempt them from studying religion. Obama’s school documents, though, wrongly list him as being Indonesian.
After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled – also as a Muslim, according to documents – in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.
The Loatze blog, run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who visited the Besuki school, noted: “All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school, and a young ‘Barry Soetoro,’ being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.”
Indeed, in Obama’s autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” he acknowledged studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.”
“In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies,” wrote Obama.
The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama’s childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim.
Speaking to the country’s Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama’s school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.
“At that time, I was not Barry’s teacher, but he is still in my memory” claimed Tine, who is 80 years old.
The Kaltim Post said Obama’s teacher, named Hendri, died.
“I remember that he studied ‘mengaji (recitation of the Quran),” Tine said, according to an English translation by Loatze.
Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not known as a secular study.
Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post interviewed Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who described Obama as “previously quite religious in Islam.”
“We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for religious or casual occasions) he looked funny,” Amir said.
The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin Adi, who identified himself as among Obama’s closest childhood friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque, something Obama’s campaign claimed he never did.
“We prayed, but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played,” said Adi.
Friday prayers
Aside from a new website to fight purported smears, Obama’s official campaign site has a page titled “Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian.” The page states, “Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ.”
But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a “practicing Muslim” clarification to the Los Angeles Times.
An article in March by the Chicago Tribune apparently disputes Adi’s statements to the L.A. paper. The Tribune caught up with Obama’s declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing Obama for a few months in 1970 when his family moved to the neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of Obama.
But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque.
“Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia,” states the Tribune article.
It quotes the presidential candidate’s former neighbors and third-grade teacher recalling Obama “occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers.”
Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune article – cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim – actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice confirms Obama attended mosque services.
In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
The Times’ Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent,” the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.
The first few lines of the call to prayer state:
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet …
Some attention also has been paid to Obama’s paternal side of the family, including his father and his brother, Roy.
Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, the presidential candidate stated: “The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”
Still, Obama says he was raised by his Christian mother and repeatedly has labeled as “smears” several reports attempting to paint him as a Muslim.
“Let’s make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and lead the Pledge of Allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I’m presiding,” he told the Times of London earlier this year.”
Here is OBAMA saying “My Muslim Faith” on TAPE!
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/spreading_the_smear_that_obama.html
BJ
I doubt that you could get more than 12 members of Congress to support your idea.
Franklin
Posted September 7, 2008 at 9:00 pm | Permalink
Here is OBAMA saying “My Muslim Faith” on TAPE
You know Paul – you’re really starting to sound like a little boy on the playground in his ruffled shirt, patent leather shoes and long curly hair trying to get attention anyway he can.
Watch the entire interview and then put it into context. But you already knew that,didn’t you? You just like to throw in any racist remark, no matter how wrong you are.
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Franklin
Posted September 7, 2008 at 9:00 pm | Permalink
Here is OBAMA saying “My Muslim Faith” on TAPE!
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/spreading_the_smear_that_obama.html
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OOPSIE!
hahaha!
I’m more interested in knowing about Sarah Palin’s church.
Why is it that they have pulled the video of her speaking there?
It’s a Pentecostal church. Is there video of Sarah Palin rolling around on the floor and speaking tongues?
And this little slip of Obama’s comes from him CONSTANTLY exposed to interview.
WHEN will Sarah Palin be interviewed?
Paul and Kandisue must be the same person – Oh know, I remember Paul talking down to Kandisue about her driving people away from her views by the tactics she uses in her posts.
But I still have to wonder if the pot was not calling the kettle black in that scenario.
WHEN will Sarah Palin be interviewed?
Try the 12th of Never Blue Jay!
But she might be forced to take interviews when all her past affairs come to light.
Speaking to the country’s Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama’s school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.
Kandisue -
“At that time, I was not Barry’s teacher, but he is still in my memory” claimed Tine, who is 80 years old.
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You’re quoting an 80-yr-old woman that simply said Obama studied the Quran in Arabic when he was a child?
You people really do need to get a life outside this blog.
Do yourself a favor and go outside and get a breath of fresh air.
“Agnatha,
You chose not to answer the question.
“I’ll answer for you: a tax increase will not stimulate the economy. In fact, it will have a negative effect.”
1) You are not the quiz master here.
2) You also simply quote an (empircally unsupported) article of faith among fiscal conservatives who wrongly think that they are better educated on economic matters than those who don’t agree with them. Do tax cuts “stimulate” the economy? Sometimes, particularly spikes in retail spending, but that is not the only way an economy is measured, and such a simplistic view misses a great deal. Like I said above, our economy is a mixture of private and public areas. This is necessary because, particularly in a modern country with a huge economy and an population of 300 million people, there are substantial activities that are necessary for our economy and society to function that do not offer short term profits, and trying to privatize such activities will not work (in fact, much of what is called “privatization” is simply having private entities contract with the government, on the government dime, to do work previously done by government. This is done based on the myth (and it is a pernicious myth) that private is always “more efficient” than public. Creating more than one entity to do a job, (public paying private rather than public doing it itself) is by itself more complicating, which hardly lends itself to efficiency. Bottom line is, from everything to creating and maintaining the transportation infrastructure for moving goods to dealing with government subsidized vendors and industries from other countries to human services to areas of law enforcement and defense to areas of maintaining a legal infrastructure for business so that our economy is not a chaotic patchwork of vastly different rules from one area to another, public sources undergird economic activity in this country as in every other. And these activities can not be done on the cheap.
So, to answer your rhetorical question and answer regarding a tax INCREASE. First of all, the prediction that letting tax cuts that never should have been made lapse is going to have a negative effect is evident as you think it is. Tax increases, even sales tax increases, do not necessarily result in a measurable downturn of the sort of economic activity that is sometimes simplistically used to measure a “healthy economy”. Secondly, making sure that government is adequately funded for the jobs it needs to do to play its roles in our economy is better than not adequately funding government. People who are paid by the public sector are many of those people who participate in the economy.
“The answer: tax AND budget cuts.”
Wrong answer (IMVSO, I’m not the quiz master either). Maintain revenues and don’t increase spending, and in very bad times in terms of deficits, raise revenues and cut spending. Tax cuts offset budget cuts. Besides which, not nearly as much of the budget is as discretionary as some would like to pretend.
Ag,
After a sacrifice of chicken blood, a bottle of Haitian run and a few local cigars, Baron Samoday taught you everything he knew about reaganonomics?