The nation saw Wednesday night what Republican presidential nominee John McCain saw in Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin — a fearless, plainspoken populist who can legitimately claim to be a party reformer while electrifying the party’s conservative base. In one short week, the McCain-Palin ticket has co-opted a campaign that had been all Barack Obama, all the time. Even Palin’s imperfect family story has riveted public attention. Most remarkably, the Republicans’ vice presidential nominee seemed as comfortable Wednesday night talking up her every-woman PTA credentials as she did tearing into Obama’s resume and policy prescriptions. The next few days will be telling, as Palin answers reporters’ questions and more details emerge about her record, positions and background. But as Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., said, McCain “may have pulled off the impossible by finding someone who fires up independents and Reagan Democrats while not turning off social conservatives.”
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She gave a good speech – at least to the core constituency. Whether she will be able to convince people that the ticket represents the change that even she says is needed will be something else.
Another speaker said McCain will enact cap-and-trade. Will he?
The teleprompter was not working!
Did you realize that?
Rudy had problems with the teleprompter too.
Can you imagine what would happen to Obama if the teleprompter broke down, or fell behind?
She plays directly to those targeted demographics the Republicans want to attract to strengthen their chances at winning in November. She will surely draw in some confused feminists, and many evangelicals.
However, the question remains – for those who are not confused feminists, evangelicals, or die-hard Republican ticket voters – is she the person we want second in command behind a 73 year-old working in one of the most stressful jobs in the world?
When I saw the teleprompter it was working. It did pause for the applause, is that what you mean?
What I’d like to know is if she’s ever spake in tongues?
brian
Obama is far more of a green-horn than Palin.
Obama is completely unqualified!
The teleprompter fell behind, for BOTH Rudy and Sarah.
It was scrolling, but got ahead of itself, because it did not adjust for applause.
“brian
Obama is far more of a green-horn than Palin.
Obama is completely unqualified!”
Let me save some time here and submit the next few posts all at once –
Brian: ‘No he’s not’
Franklin: ‘Yes he is’
Brian: ‘No he’s not’
Franklin: ‘Yes he is’
Brian: ‘No he is’
Franklin: ‘Yes he’s not’
Brian: ‘No he is’
Franklin: ‘Yes he’s not’
Brian: ‘No he is’
Franklin: ‘Damn liberals, yes he is not unqualified’
Brian: ‘Ok, you are right, he is not unqualified’
Obama is worried.
Obama is sending out a fundraising letter defending what a “community organizer” is.
(The letter is not honest. A “Community Oranizer” is pretty much like a precinct committee man or woman, only they do politics the dirty, Chicago, ward politics way. Obama was recruited to that ACORN, voter fraud organization by radical Marxists who could not get into Black churches.)
So brownback is saying she turns on social conservatives? I might agree with that.
I thought Palin was going to tell us about her awesome work experience, then she says it’s just like a community orgainzer with responsibility. Cop out.
I saw nothing of substance, just the standard Republican folksy/anti-intellectual screed.
Also, Sarah Palin needs to be reminded that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor
Don’t forget that McCain doesn’t know how many homes he owns! A truly important issue is falling off the radar. Stop talking about VP nominee Palin and focus on true issues defining the McCain presidency!
aaah….it’s dead.
Let’s see what about 100 years in Iraq?
That’s dead too.
No change McCain claim?
Dead.
anything else that might actually stick until November?
Community Organizer
He worked for Acorn. A left wing organization that has consistently been in trouble for fraudulent voter registration. He worked in the lowest part of the South side Chicago gutter politics.
If and when Obama’s association with Acorn, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezco ever gets examined by the media with the same level of interest that Palin’s daughter’s sex life we win.
Be afraid libs, be very afraid!
What is with the left and all of the religious comments today? I thought religion was off limits on the blog. She didn’t bring it up. Why can’t the left have an honest discussion about her qualifications or lack of them and the qualifications of Obama without dragging in religion?
“Also, Sarah Palin needs to be reminded that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor”
lol, good point
(unfortunately, one that will probably be lost on the those that would vote for her and McCain)
“Be afraid libs, be very afraid!”
What is there to be afraid of?
I was pleasantly surprised with her ablility to stay on target even when the teleprompter went awry even if Phantom thought he saw it working right.
She can shoot from the hip very well even when unscripted – something Obama has labored over doing. She rang true with the general population as far as being just like us. Family problems, household chores, being able to multitask – something women handle better than most men.
I think we were seeing the first woman POTUS.
“If and when Obama’s association with Acorn, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezco ever gets examined by the media with the same level of interest that Palin’s daughter’s sex life we win.”
Come on, do you expect anyone to believe that if there was really a story there it would not have been on Fox News yet? The KarlRovers in the Republican party are definitely digging full time for anything like that, and anything found would immediately be all over ‘the media’.
It is much more reasonable to conclude that there is nothing there (or it has not been found yet) than to conclude there is something there and the Repulicans know about it, but the media won’t cover it.
How intellectual is expecting the Government to bail us out of every problem?
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brian_nuevo
Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
“If and when Obama’s association with Acorn, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezco ever gets examined by the media with the same level of interest that Palin’s daughter’s sex life we win.”
Come on, do you expect anyone to believe that if there was really a story there it would not have been on Fox News yet? The KarlRovers in the Republican party are definitely digging full time for anything like that, and anything found would immediately be all over ‘the media’.
It is much more reasonable to conclude that there is nothing there (or it has not been found yet) than to conclude there is something there and the Repulicans know about it, but the media won’t cover it.
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I doubt anything will come of it either.
The Klintonistas pardoned him and I’m pretty sure there was some clever expunging of records that went along with that.
“She can shoot from the hip very well even when unscripted – something Obama has labored over doing. She rang true with the general population as far as being just like us. Family problems, household chores, being able to multitask – something women handle better than most men.
I think we were seeing the first woman POTUS.”
There are many millions of people that can do those things – men and women. That does not qualify one to be the leader (or second in command) of the most powerful nation in the world.
Ayers that is…
GOODNESS Rhonda did you wet yourself while writing that?
“Sarah Palin — a fearless, plainspoken populist”
Populist? Where? Sarah Palin scored big with her base; religious kooks and people with money.
She reached out and promised to be an advocate for the parents of special needs children. What she DIDN’T let out is that as Governor of Alaska this font of Christian love CUT the funding for special needs kids by 62%!
We just saw the tip of this iceberg last night. Soon enough she’ll melt from the top down and the bottom up.
“More than pulled” off–what?
-Giving a telepromted speech before an adoring crowd? Check
-Lying repeatedly about Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate record by claiming that he never worked with Senators Tom Coburn or Richard Lugar on bipartisan legislation in the Senate? Check.
-Lied repeatedly about Barack Obama’s record in the Illinois Senate by claiming that he never contributed to any “major law or reform?” Check
-Lied about keeping the money from the “Bridge to Nowhere” that she claimed not to support? Check.
But there’s just one more thing:
-Demonstrated her readiness to be the President of the United States of America?
Nope. Not by a longshot.
Oh, here’s a summary of some of Obama’s legislative accomplishments.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
“I’m pretty sure there was some clever expunging of records that went along with that.”
A candidate (regardless of their party) who does not do that will not make it far. I am sure there are clean-up crews hard at work in the Obama and McCain camps as we speak (it is surely a full-time job right about now).
But as Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., said, McCain “may have pulled off the impossible by finding someone who fires up independents and Reagan Democrats while not turning off social conservatives.”
I’ll believe that when I see it.
P.S. I think a lot of those aging “Reagan democrats” are becoming slowly aware of what a venal con-man and awful president their hero was.
Brian, Damage control for Obama was pretty intensive. Senate records disappeared. Stanek to her credit kept copies of all of the damning comments he made concerning the life of ‘damaged’ babies so he had to address that one.
We know he had to return $250,000 to Rezko because of his felony convictions. We know he announced his run for the Illinois senate at a BBQ at Ayers house.
We know who Obama is. We don’t need MSNBC to affirm what we have found out on our own. We don’t need their biased news reporting. The American people have been alerted that all is not as the MSM would have you believe.
I have faith in my fellow Americans.
Palin “pulled off” telling lies.
‘WHY YOUR PARTY LOSES! We won’t take it, the GOP said. Dems and libs constantly do:’
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh090408.shtml
PALIN DOES IT AGAIN: As a politician, Sarah Palin is profoundly talented, disturbingly so. But uh-oh–she clearly enjoys telling lies!”
More at link.
76.5% of Americans identify themselves as “Christians.”
That’s populist for starters.
CF2K
Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink
“More than pulled” off–what?
-Giving a telepromted speech before an adoring crowd? Check
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You know when liberals are critical of a speech for being teleprompted it was a home run.
What a joke! Keep ‘em coming.
76.5% of Americans identify themselves as “Christians.”
That’s populist for starters.
So? What sane relevance does that have?
“..here’s a summary of some of Obama’s legislative accomplishments.”
Short list.
CF2K
Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:58 pm | Permalink
“More than pulled” off–what?
-Giving a telepromted speech before an adoring crowd? Check
-Lying repeatedly about Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate record by claiming that he never worked with Senators Tom Coburn or Richard Lugar
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Key words: “Worked With” He had no self-initiative to get it started and had to rely on veteran Senators.
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-Lied repeatedly about Barack Obama’s record in the Illinois Senate by claiming that he never contributed to any “major law or reform?”
Obama had 160 “present” votes while in the Illinois Senate. The change candidate – more of the same for non-commitment.
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-Lied about keeping the money from the “Bridge to Nowhere” that she claimed not to support?
Doesn’t really matter now does it? Palin used her position as Governor to pressure Washington to kill it. Before that, she had no power and carefully watched where she tread.
There was nothing in the Palin speach attempting to reach out to “religions kooks”.
Besides the typical political mumbo jumbo like touting herself as more experienced than a community organizer and John McCain as the only man who has actually fought for this country,
She specifically reached out to:
She specifically reached out to the following:
1. Parents of special needs children
2. Business owners
3. Consumers of energy products (oil and gas being preeminent)
4. Parents of members in the Armed Services as well as the military men and women themselves.
Blue Jay which one of these groups do you consider to be “religious kooks”?
okobserver posted September 3, 2008 at 10:20 pm
“I say we should not let drunks have guns in Alaska if they live close to the pipeline. That will solve that problem.”
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okobserver,
Do you have solutions for mechanical failures of the pipeline, and bombs?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/republican-convention-thread-93/#comment-416905
I know there are “religious kooks” in all those groups.
Rage
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
76.5% of Americans identify themselves as “Christians.”
That’s populist for starters.
So? What sane relevance does that have?
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76.5% percent would be catergorized as religous kooks and an overwhelming majority based on who she appealed to according the referenced post by Blue Jay.
Oh I give you, she raised the roof of the place.
I could have done that.
With considerably less verbiage.
Just stroll out to the stage and start tossing bibles, flags, and firearms into the crowd.
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
okobserver posted September 3, 2008 at 10:20 pm
“I say we should not let drunks have guns in Alaska if they live close to the pipeline. That will solve that problem.”
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okobserver,
Do you have solutions for mechanical failures of the pipeline, and bombs?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/republican-convention-thread-93/#comment-416905
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Okay cosmos,
You going to personally guard all the electrical transmission lines and all the gas lines in the country?
They are all over the place you know.
Ever see those unguarded switching and booster stations? They are unguarded and all over the place.
What a pathetic ploy, get a grip and a life.
“This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word “victory” except when he’s talking about his own campaign.”
Amen, Sarah.
“KSGolfnut
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
“This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word “victory” except when he’s talking about his own campaign.”
Amen, Sarah.”
Look, Palin has got some folks praying to her already
Pulled the wool over people’s eyes maybe, but not those paying attention. What I see is one very mean, diry, sleazy, fundy. I didn’t think that I could find someone I would be MORE fearful of in the White House than Shrub, but she solidifies it. It’d be like Pat Robertson in the White House.
She is every bit as dangerous as Bush- and the same people trying to distance themselves from Bush and his policies, are trying to sneak his duplicate in the backdoor.
You should be afraid PMom, cause it’s gonna happen.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 4, 2008 at 1:06 pm
“Palin used her position as Governor to pressure Washington to kill it. Before that, she had no power and carefully watched where she tread.”
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Post a link proving that. Or post some fiction, like you did with the New Orleans levees?
‘WHY YOUR PARTY LOSES! We won’t take it, the GOP said. Dems and libs constantly do:’
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh090408.shtml
In reality, the Congress told her: The depth of Palin’s repeated deception is truly a thing to behold. (Not that you’d know it from reading the press corps–or from listening to Democrats.) In fact, Palin never “told Congress” anything about this famous project; Congress killed the earmark, removing itself from the picture, thirteen months before she took office (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 9/1/08). But the state of Alaska was still considering building the bridge with its own money; Palin only killed this idea in September 2007, in her tenth month in office.”
More at link.
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080904/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street
McCain/Palin= SAME
NEW YORK – Wall Street tumbled Thursday, sending the Dow Jones industrials down more than 300 points on more disappointing economic news: Sluggish back-to-school sales and a jump in unemployment claims.
The stock market has been highly volatile lately, reflecting investors’ heightening anxiety about the overall state of the economy. They were further unsettled Thursday when many of the nation’s retailers said shoppers curtailed spending last month due to higher gas and food prices. Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world’s largest retailer, beat expectations, but many teen retailers and luxury chains did poorly.
That’s the world under Palin- most of us can buy from Walmart and throw money to the Chinese- while they shop Rodeo Drive.
That’s the world under Palin- most of us can buy from Walmart and throw money to the Chinese- while they shop Rodeo Drive.
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You may be shopping in dumpsters after Obama taxes the hell out of the company you work for and they fire you to save on cost.
cosmos_originally
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:17 pm
cosmos howls: Post a link proving that.
Governor Palin said it front of millions of people last night on national TV.
paraphrased:
“If Alaska wants a bridge, we will build it ourselves.”
Where’s your link saying she didn’t say this?
“She gave a good speech to a receptive audience”
Ummm, hello, what the hell do you think Obama’s been doing this whole time???
Mean is “Your recently born child is your Grandson.”
“When the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot” is hilarious.
ANTI
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:21 pm | Permalink
That’s the world under Palin- most of us can buy from Walmart and throw money to the Chinese- while they shop Rodeo Drive.
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You may be shopping in dumpsters after Obama taxes the hell out of the company you work for and they fire you to save on cost.
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But at least we’ll have health care to take care of the scurvy. :)
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Mr_Kia
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:23 pm | Permalink
Mean is “Your recently born child is your Grandson.”
“When the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot” is hilarious.
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Agreed, it’s shows the vain narcissism of Obama and his followers in techni-color. :D
The conventional wisdom is that folks don’t vote the VP slot. I think conventional wisdom just got thrown out on it’s ear.
Sarah Palin deserves and needs a national constituency so that she can be prepared to run to be the first female president of the United States. A compelling reason for folks impressed with the lady, whether conservative or moderate (libs are mostly a lost cause), to vote for McCain.
Your “conventional wisdom” was ALREADY out the window there outlander.
John McCain is 72 years old. HIS VP pick knows going in there’s a good chance old John will take the dirt nap or otherwise be unfit to serve.
The dirty little not so secret is you and a large part of your party are hoping for just that.
BlueJay believes that the party that nominated McCain to be the president secretly hopes that he dies in office.
Blue Jay continues to proudly show off his “kook” credentials.
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RFL
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink
BlueJay believes that the party that nominated McCain to be the president secretly hopes that he dies in office.
Blue Jay continues to proudly show off his “kook” credentials.
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Longevity appears to be in the McCain blood line.
McCain’s mother at 95 looked and moved around better than some 60 year old women I know.
I think this election is going to come down to the question : De-Bush or Re-bush?, and it’s no too hard to read the public’s continuing opinion regarding that question.
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gster
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink
I think this election is going to come down to the question : De-Bush or Re-bush?, and it’s no too hard to read the public’s continuing opinion regarding that question.
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Or,
Why vote for the two of the most Leftist Liberals in the Senate, Obama – who is rated #1 and Biden – who is rated #3.
The American Public does not like Leftist kooks.
Palin more than pulled it off
Yup. All the rest of the commentary is: will it make a difference?
That remains to be seen.
Remember, boys and girls, Obama is where he is on the basis of his 2004 speech at the Democratic National Convention. And his resume is thinner than hers.
Even if McCain loses this election, a rising star has been born.
This morning I heard it on C-Span also that the teleprompter quit working for both Palin and Guiliana. If that happened to Obama we would have heard a lot of “Uh Uhs” or you would have heard “due to technical difficulties we will need to go to commercial break”.
I think that the zombie walking democrats are so brain washed they can’t even see how ridiculous they and their precious media are coming off to the American citizens and those abroad.
“gster
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink
I think this election is going to come down to the question : De-Bush or Re-bush?, and it’s no too hard to read the public’s continuing opinion regarding that question.”
I for one have long been in favor of getting rid of the bush
“TheBorgHunter
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink
This morning I heard it on C-Span also that the teleprompter quit working for both Palin and Guiliana. If that happened to Obama we would have heard a lot of “Uh Uhs” or you would have heard “due to technical difficulties we will need to go to commercial break”.”
Well damn, I better vote for Palin then
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brian_nuevo
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:02 pm | Permalink
“gster
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:49 pm | Permalink
I think this election is going to come down to the question : De-Bush or Re-bush?, and it’s no too hard to read the public’s continuing opinion regarding that question.”
I for one have long been in favor of getting rid of the bush
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pssst…
Bush is not running for office.
Thank you WEBlog for adding Two More Palin Topics Today!
THREE IN ONE DAY!
YES!
(I don’t think Obama even had such ‘honors’. Not sure which topic to post Palin comments on now though! )
And WHO so foolishly said the Press was Piling on Palin?
“Regular
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink
…Bush is not running for office.”
Oh.
Were we talking about running for office?
In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.
And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.
winner….
Her speech lacked anything in the way of a new idea, but she’s already demonstrated her intellectual level when she posed in the tee shirt that said “I may be broke but I’m not flat busted.” And yes, she’s broke- her husband had to use spurs, but yes, she’s broke!
What’s really insulting though is the republican notion that just because she’s a former Miss Alaska and shucked out five kids, had no abortions that we know of (and neither will her daughter), all those women who gave their all for Hillary will now fall all over themselves to vote for Palin. Hey, if the only qualification the republicans need is that she can shake her tits and recite talking points, hell McCain does that almost as well!
“Also, Sarah Palin needs to be reminded that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor” — Daniel
beautiful line
For all of you out there who are afraid that Palin could be your President one day, I say watch out because it’s coming. Thank God.
However, if you are praying, I mean crossing your fingers because heaven forbid if you prayed, that Obama is going to become President, then you better start worrying. As a matter of fact, you might find yourself praying, if not to God, then Obama. Didn’t you get it? The man is a freakazoid who stands in front of a Greek Temple for his acceptance speech. What do you think he is saying to you? I mean come one, he even said “People of the Word, I am your new leader”. Get ready to either start bowing to God or bowing to Obama.
Jed-
Hello,
I’m a half black, bastard son of a kansan.
I went to private school.
I am a lawyer.
My wife is a lawyer.
I was a community organizer.
I spent 2 years in congress.
I’ll take something from someone else and give it to you.
Vote for me.
I’m qualified.
I am the One.
and the winner is…..
“biased1
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.
And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.”
So what you are saying is that McCain is a supporter of keeping the penny in our monetary options?
bebe, daniel- Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor…
Don’t forget Hitler was a great community organizer too! (helluva speech giver i’m told)
“TheBorgHunter
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink
For all of you out there who are afraid that Palin could be your President one day, I say watch out because it’s coming. Thank God.
However, if you are praying, I mean crossing your fingers because heaven forbid if you prayed, that Obama is going to become President, then you better start worrying. As a matter of fact, you might find yourself praying, if not to God, then Obama. Didn’t you get it? The man is a freakazoid who stands in front of a Greek Temple for his acceptance speech. What do you think he is saying to you? I mean come one, he even said “People of the Word, I am your new leader”. Get ready to either start bowing to God or bowing to Obama.”
Huh?
Try using a little
whitespace
to make your writing clearer.
“biased1
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink
bebe, daniel- Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor…
Don’t forget Hitler was a great community organizer too! (helluva speech giver i’m told)”
Like Palin, apparently, Hitler did not use a teleprompter. Hmmmm????
beber
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
“Also, Sarah Palin needs to be reminded that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor” — Daniel
beautiful line
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Again, comparing Obama to Jesus. Scary.
(Say, WWJD about abortions?)
Sarah Barracuda forgot to say Wednesday that Obamanation’s resume is thinner than Lewinsky’s kneepads.
“MaxGrobnik
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:23 pm
…(Say, WWJD about abortions?)”
Apparently nothin, at least according to what is written about them in the Bible.
Huh?
Try using a little
whitespace
to make your writing clearer.
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brian, try using a little less white space. Ha! it almost sounds racist, doesn’t it. Anyway, is that the best you could do? There has been many many posts with a lot less white space than mine. Get over it, your side lost BIG time last night.
” your side lost BIG time last night.”
1. This is not about us vs them. It is about choosing the best for America
2. You don’t have any idea which candidate(s) I support
“brian, try using a little less white space. Ha! it almost sounds racist, doesn’t it. Anyway, is that the best you could do? There has been many many posts with a lot less white space than mine.”
Hey, just offering some constructive criticism to help you become a better persuasive writer.
Just because there are many other bad writers on here does not mean you should do the same.
brian_nuevo
“However, the question remains….is she the person we want second in command behind a 73 year-old working in one of the most stressful jobs in the world?”
You damn better believe it, and then another 8 years in the Presidency.
She makes the Obama/Biden ticket look learning disabled, with no functional abilities.
That woman rocks!
Brian do you think there is any confusion over who you are voting for?
“Boxlock
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:34 pm
…That woman rocks!”
Comparatively, perhaps.
But again, I ask ‘is she the person we want second in command behind a 73 year-old working in one of the most stressful jobs in the world?’
I think there are much better people for the job than McCain, Palin, Obama, or Biden. How about some people we would really want as our leaders, and the face of America to the world?
“okobserver
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
Brian do you think there is any confusion over who you are voting for?”
I neither know, nor really care, whom you my faithful readers think I am voting for.
Truth be told, currently I am an undecided independant voter.
Brian good for you for keeping an open mind. You sounded a little liberal a few posts back.
All right, I’m officially sick of Palin. In a week, so will be the rest of the country. Unless someone uncovers some Dr. Laura-like nudes.
P.S. — They didn’t shave them in those days.
brains_never- Hitler did not use a teleprompter. Hmmmm????
No but he gave a speech or two in berlin….just like…
berlin…hmmmm…
Who else gave a speech in berlin…hmmmm…
don’t tell me…..
i think it was recently…hmmmm…
it’s gone…i’ll think of it later….hmmmm…
“okobserver
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:41 pm | Permalink
Brian good for you for keeping an open mind. You sounded a little liberal a few posts back.”
I am a little liberal :)
(a little conservative too)
Wow Mark – that was even dumber than your usual diatribes.
biaASSed1 – google ’spurious correlation’
brian_nuevo
Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
She plays directly to those targeted demographics the Republicans want to attract to strengthen their chances at winning in November. She will surely draw in some confused feminists, and many evangelicals.
However, the question remains – for those who are not confused feminists, evangelicals, or die-hard Republican ticket voters – is she the person we want second in command behind a 73 year-old working in one of the most stressful jobs in the world?
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Brian I take it you think the above post is from an independent voter? Sure….
Come on Borg, wouldn’t that fulfill your bible prophesy if Obama took office and we were ordered to pray to him? Wow you really are whacked out aren’t you.
What psycho church do you and Chris actually belong to?
Name ONE THING that Palin differs from Bush on.
See Brian I don’t see myself in any of those categories but I will vote the McCain ticket because it is the best we have to choose from. McCain could die in office but so could Obama. McCains family history says he will live to finish out 8 years. His mother is certainly in charge of all of her brain cells it appears when you listen to her.
The other side of that coin is that Obama is young enough that Biden probably will never be called on to run the nation.
When given a choice of McCain or Obama it is McCain. When a choice between Obama and Palin and I look at their experience I say Palin. So I say the McCain/Palin ticket is the best we have.
Good ole Kathleen
“Gov. Palin, I think, did a good job last night. … She mastered the words written by the Bush speechwriters and clearly delivered them well,” Sebelius said.
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Hey Kathleen, if you’d get off your ass and do HALF as much for kansas as Palin has done for Alaska, maybe YOU too would have been a VP pick.
Go back to sleep now…..
Name ONE THING that Palin differs from Bush on.
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She is a Conservative.
“Brian I take it you think the above post is from an independent voter? Sure…”
Well obviously it is since I posted it and I am politically independant.
I think you are confusing independant with unbiased. I am obviously not unbiased.
“Name ONE THING that Palin differs from Bush on.”
She doesn’t use the men’s room. She has altered the budget in Alaska so they are now returning excess money to the tax payers. She doesn’t stumble with words when she speaks.
To my knowledge Bush has never been in a beauty pageant.
Palin believes that reducing the size of government is in the best interest of her tax paying, freedom loving consitutency. Bush does not.
Brain_never- biaASSed1 – google ’spurious correlation’
Spurious correlation: n. the eerily similar movements of brain_nevers nose with those of “the ones” butt.
Palin’s firstborn is enlisted in the armed services.
brain_never- I am a little liberal
(a little conservative too)
read: I have no convictions, I can’t make or defend a stand, I love the fence and it depends on who is going to give me what….
Is there no Alaska Congress?
Are you all telling me that Sarah Palin thinks up all these bills on her own, writes them, signs them, and then *shazzam!*, they’re laws?
Wow! I AM impressed.
BJ
You sound like you feel left out.
Maybe you can’t belong to the group you call “religious kooks” —
But you ARE a “kook” in your own right.
Surely there is an organization that agrees with you, maybe half the time?
Perhaps not.
It is lonely at the bottom, isn’t it?
Palin’s firstborn is enlisted in the armed services.
And Biden’s son Beau going to Iraq doesn’t count, right?
ANTI
Name ONE THING that Palin differs from Bush on.
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She is a Conservative.
Excellent and so true.
pmom
So, you think Obama’s taxes will HELP the stock market?
Care to explain that one?
Those who depend on investments, in retirement, sure don’t want to see them decline further, due to higher taxes.
P.M. has no answers, Franklin.
Sarah Palin, decider
There’s an old saying that goes, “Never let the facts stand in the way of a good story.” A little wordy, maybe, but that might be a more appropriate motto for the McCain campaign than “Country First.”
John McCain and his surrogates have been making sure to mention that Sarah Palin, as governor of Alaska, is the commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard. But it turns out that such experience may not be worth as much as Republicans say it is — in fact, it seems that during her tenure as governor, she hasn’t personally issued a single order to the Guard.
Moreover, Palin does not have command over Alaska National Guard troops who are overseas. An article in Wednesday’s Anchorage Daily News cites Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, the service commander of the Alaska National Guard, as saying that “the governor has no command authority overseas or anywhere in the United States other than Alaska.” According to the article, Palin has direct authority over the 4,200-member unit only when they respond to in-state disasters. However, Palin has delegated the majority of those responsibilities to Maj. Gen. Campbell.
And if the McCain campaign needed any more reason not to focus on the Alaskan National Guard when talking up Palin’s leadership experience, the Associated Press has now documented personnel shortages in the state’s Guard “that make its aviation units the most poorly staffed in the nation.” The AP quotes Campbell as saying the situation “has reached a crisis level.”
? Vincent Rossmeier
You boys and girls need a lesson in history.
“The Alaska state constitution claims common heritage rights of ownership of oil and other minerals for the people of the state as a whole. Citizen dividend checks are distributed every year in Alaska out of the interest payments to an oil royalties deposit account called the Alaska Permanent Fund (APF) created in 1976 after oil was discovered on the North Slope. The APF is a public trust fund – a diversified stock, bond and real estate portfolio – into which are deposited the oil royalties received from the corporations which extract the oil from the lands of Alaska. The first citizen dividend check from the interest of the APF was issued in 1982 and was for $1000 per every person for everyone in Alaska who had resided in the state for at least one year. Annual citizen dividends have been issued every year since then, for a total of more than $23,000 per person.
1. In 2003, each of the nearly 600,000 Alaska US citizens (residents of Alaska for at least one year) received a check for $1,107 from the APF. The total amount dispersed was $663.2 million. The $25 billion investment fund’s core experienced stock market losses which led to the dividend’s decline this past year compared to the several previous years. The amount was $433 less, a 28 percent drop from the 2002 pay out of $1,540, and a 44 percent decrease from the all-time high of $1,964 in year 2000. The amount changes based on a five-year average of APF investment income derived from the bonds, stock dividends, real estate and other investments.
Alaska relies on oil for about 80 percent of its revenue and has no sales or income tax. Alaska state government is mandated to invest 25% of its oil revenue into the APF while the other 75% of oil royalty revenue is dispersed to other government funds to finance education, infrastructure and social services. If 100% of Alaska’s oil royalties had been deposited into the APF, it is conceivable that the CD this year could have been about $4,400 or $17,600 for a family of four. But then there would have been no funds for roads, education and other public services and no funds available to run the state legislature – a libertarian dream fulfillment or a social and economic disaster, which one we will never know. If state services were to have been maintained while 100% of oil royalties were deposited in the APF, there would of course have been the need for income, sales and other taxes on wages and production.”
http://www.progress.org/cg/cdann.htm
This is why almost every Alaskan is in favor of drilling. Of course they are; the more the take they more they make.
The only question that remains is: “Is Palin taking credit for a program enshrined in the Constitution, or is the $1,100 or so she claims to be returning to Alaskans an amount over and above the amount mandated by Alaska law?
Off I toodle to find out. I can’t believe no one has asked this question. Oh Yeah, I checked. The dividend was paid as late as 2006 for sure.
Kathleen tried to blame Kansas Guard shortages on the war.
By the way, Bill Clinton made the “commander of the Arkanasas National Guard” claim when Bill ran for President the first time.
EVERY National Guard unit in the country works the same way. State and Federal authority work the same way, for all Guard units.
BlueJay
Posted September 4, 2008 at 1:10 pm | Permalink
Oh I give you, she raised the roof of the place.
I could have done that.
With considerably less verbiage.
Just stroll out to the stage and start tossing bibles, flags, and firearms into the crowd.
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Yeah but Bluejay, she managed to raise the roof without any freebies and giveaways you and your fellow democrats are known for!
“ididit
Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:29 pm | Permalink
Yeah but Bluejay, she managed to raise the roof without any freebies and giveaways you and your fellow democrats are known for!”
Don’t worry though, the lobbyiest took care of the freebies at the afterparty
bth
Posted September 4, 2008 at 2:46 pm | Permalink
“Wow Mark – that was even dumber than your usual diatribes.”
bth,
When commenting on previous posts would you include the time of the post or some quotation so others know to what you are referring.
Nananana, HLP was wrong, Palin drew fewer viewers than Obama did, and hers is attributed to the ‘curiosity factor’.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080904/pl_nm/usa_politics_ratings_dc_4
Mccain will draw even fewer, everyone knows what he is.
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Predestined
Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink
Palin’s firstborn is enlisted in the armed services.
And Biden’s son Beau going to Iraq doesn’t count, right?
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Why wouldn’t it count EB? It counts as much as McCain’s son pulling his tours of duty in Iraq. Well, not really as much since he has already been there.
Phantom
Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:35 pm | Permalink
Nananana, HLP was wrong, Palin drew fewer viewers than Obama did, and hers is attributed to the ‘curiosity factor’.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080904/pl_nm/usa_politics_ratings_dc_4
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And his was attributed to….?
I’m voting the Alda/Farrell ticket.
MASH finale, highest TV ratings EVER.
Well Beber I can tell you that the people of Alaska think it is money she is giving them ‘back’. Try to tell the different.
Palin’s first born is going to Iraq, and she just prays he’s one of God’s fighters carrying out the divine plan as esposed by bush.
Kook!
Biden’s son’s going and he wants an end to the bloody blunder.
You decide.
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I know, I know!!!
Palin actually admits to her past drug use.
BTW….just to be clear, the JC/PP juxtaposition isn’t mine. I read it somewhere else earlier today.
Pred you do a very good job of showing what you think disqualified Palin for the VP slot. I have asked repeatedly for any lib to tell me what qualifies Obama for the prez slot. He is running for the big office not the VP slot.
The libs are really confused here.
Wow if this is the best you can do on the question on how Palin differs from Bush, then you perhaps need to re-evaluate where exactly you want this country to go.
But regardless, we need to support and honor ALL the young men and women in harms way in service of our country. The political affiliation of parents means nothing in that context.
She kind of lost me with mccain uses his career to make changes. Exactly what changes has Maverick Mccain made in 30 yrs. in his do nothing senate job, other than to insult a bunch of republicans?
So since the RW loves to call Obama a bastard, are they also calling Palin’s future grandchild a bastard?
Here are the figures for the 2006 and 2007 payments.
2006: $1,106.96.
2007: $$1,654.00
Is this the money Palin is taking credit for returning to the taxpayers?
Ok…Obama’s speech drew 38 million viewers and Palin drew 37 million.
I’m going to set the over/under on McCain’s speech at 23 million.
My guess is 25, and I’m probably a little to high.
I forgot to factor in the football game and Obama’s appearance on the O’Reilly Factor.
Over/under set at 18 million viewers for McCain’s acceptance speech.
Mccain’s vision of America looks just like bush’s vision of America, what’s to see?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/The_teleprompter_did_not_break.html wherein this blogger asserts that there were not teleprompter problems during either speech, notwithstanding the report on another blog. Note that Rudy added some non-scripted language to his speech, according to the linked piece, which caused his speech to run long.
So, the blogger on RedStates says there were teleprompter problems; the Politico blogger says there were not. As already admitted, I didn’t watch the RNC last night; any thoughts from those who did on the teleprompter issue?
Now then let us examine the pipeline.
First of all. Let us give credit where credit is due. “Construction of the long-hoped-for gas pipeline has been delayed for decades, even though a treaty between the United States and Canada during the Carter administration provided right of way for the line. Only after natural gas prices spiked in 2000 did the project appear to be commercially viable, although the big three producers continually cite enormous financial risks.” — http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=204822
My apologies, I should have researched this issue more thoroughly before I made my first post about the TV ratings. I just checked the TV Guide and it appears that there is a Matlock and Golden Girls Marathon on tonight, as well.
That’s going to knock the numbers down even more.
Final prediction: 11 million viewers for McCain’s acceptance speech.
Biassed,
“Jed-
Hello,
I’m a half black, bastard son of a kansan.
I went to private school.
I am a lawyer.
My wife is a lawyer.
I was a community organizer.
I spent 2 years in congress.
I’ll take something from someone else and give it to you.
Vote for me.
I’m qualified.
I am the One.
and the winner is…..”
Gee, nobody could accuse you of not being a true christian!
Now, then, let me point out a few more things. Number one: Palin governs a state which has no sales or income tax, and which derives 80 percent of its income from the oil industry. Now, just how does this kind of experience have anything to do with governing anywhere else in America, or anywhere in the world, except perhaps the Middle East?
And, since Palin has only been in office for 22 months, how can we judge anything about her tenure, as mistakes and good judgement can only be judged years from now. The pipeline may never be built.
And here is why it is called the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act.
“The license doesn’t guarantee pipeline construction. It simply calls for TransCanada to embark on a costly process of pursuing a federal certificate, but also with up to $500 million in state seed money.” — http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-07-23-4104671767_x.htm
So here is what we are talking about. We are talking about spending a half billion in state money to “induce” a foreign company to build a gas line on a right of way negotiated by Jimmy Carter.
Will the line be built, will it provide profit and prosperity. Well, the jury is really out on that one.
It’s not where the money comes from but how it’s spent in my opinion.
Personally I’d love no sales or income tax
(without any research I know Florida and Nevada don’t have state income taxes either).
Now I know all of this stuff is really hard for you, both on the right and left. Sorry for bothering you. Go back to discussing the paternity of Palin’s future grandchild.
If it had broken, we’d of seen the frozen deer in the headlights.
So Alaska’s budget is pretty much funded from pork and oil taxes. Sounds like a damn socialist state.
Correct, Phantom. In fact, I doubt if they have any public source of money. I believe Alaska has been the number one per capita recipient of federal money for DECADES.
If all it takes is a b.s. in communications and five classes in govt. to be mayor, gov. and then president, there must be literaly millions of more qualified people for the position. Bet being purdy had as much to do with her rapid rise as anything else.
O.K., I’ll do it for you.
If her economic plan is to raise taxes on oil companies to fund our fed. govt., hell, I might vote for her!
Franklin
Posted September 4, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
Kathleen tried to blame Kansas Guard shortages on the war.
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Sebelius asked George W. Bush to his face when the Kansas National Guard equipment would be replaced since the current equipment is in Iraq.
What’s wrong with that? That is what our governor is supposed to do – look after Kansas and this was after the Greensburg tornado and Kansas residents needed that equipment.
I’ve got a newsflash for little miss congeniality, no one says ‘newsflash’ anymore, went out with your hairdo.
Kia,
Of course it’s about where the money comes from. You don’t want to pay taxes, and I doubt you’re alone there, but the money for state services has to come from somewhere. When it comes from a single source or group of sources, as most of Alaska’s state funds do, you end up with a situation where for all practical purposes, the oil companies own the government of the state. Do you really want a corporation dictating where and how state funds are allocated? Do you want them dictating which laws get passed and how they’re enforced? What do you think would happen if the company you worked for ended up at loggerheads with the oil companies? You get what you pay for!
Now I know all of this stuff is really hard for you, both on the right and left. Sorry for bothering you. Go back to discussing the paternity of Palin’s future grandchild.
One the contrary: keep up the good work.
Not definitive proof, but “yep.”
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/state_expend/percapita.html
Alaska receives more federal help per capita than any other state.
Ms. Palin resides over what amounts to a welfare state, and harangues us with lessons on capitalism and freedom.
Pregnant daughter. Teleprompter. Hairdo.
Northern Accent.
Enlightening.
O.K., I’m done. It took an hour. Pass it on to every blog you can find, and take credit, by all means. It’s nothing less than I would do myself.
Wilki writeup said she forced a dairy company not to close because the price of its milk was higher than milk from the mainland. The company stayed with subsidizing from the State, went under anyway and had its assets liquidated to pay back on the state loan.
Wonder if she also sold their assets on E-bay?
We have enough of those kind of economic geniuses in govt. already, don’t need her.
To be fair, Alaska probably does have property tax.
Poof…
CBS Poll: McCain, Obama Tied
McCain Closes Eight-Point Gap From Poll Taken Last Weekend
Sept. 4, 2008
(CBS) The presidential race between Barack Obama and John McCain is now even at 42 percent, according to a new CBS News poll conducted Monday-Wednesday of this week. Twelve percent are undecided according to the poll, and one percent said they wouldn’t vote.
This is in contrast to a poll conducted last weekend, where the Obama-Biden ticket led McCain-Palin by eight points, 48 percent to 40 percent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml
Hmmm. Virginia is only $700 per capita behind Alaska, and Virginia doesn;t have vast portions of it;’s land deemed not open for development by the federal government. Virginia is a Democratic Party led state, or Republican? HMMMM????
Yep. Municipalites can levy tax, but there is no property tax outside those districts. In other words, you can farm for free boys.
Virginia is where both Democratic and Republican legislators live. Democrat state legislators do not distribute federal largess, littlejohn. Try thinking outside the box, for a change. To do that, burn the box, and think.
That’s weak Jed.
The state GSP is #5 in the nation. Petroleum industry, commercial fishing, tourism, lumber products, military are primary revenue sources for the state.
The population is 48th in the nation.
The state doesn’t need the income and sales tax revenues for a bunch of bureaucratic nanny state programs.
Sorry that #5 GSP in the nation should be per capita. At $43,000+ per citizen. Again, Alaska doesn’t need income tax.
Can you imagine the hash Biden will make out of Palin during their debate, especially given the above information. How the hell can he miss, or do the stupid Democrats even know what the key to undermining her with the conservatives is. She’s a damned welfare hockey mom.
She is in the ring. No knockout yet.
From an email I received:
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This is what’s wrong with our politics. At the Republican convention, speaker after speaker just flat-out lied, and our news media isn’t calling them on any of it. YOU CAN’T GET THE STORY FROM THE PUNDITS.
They smeared Barack Obama repeatedly and told lies big and small.
Here’s just a few of them:
- Sarah Palin and John McCain claim that Barack Obama wants to raise our taxes, but the vast majority of families are way better off under Barack Obama’s plan. JOHN MCCAIN ACTUALLY WANTS TO TAX OUR HEALTH BENEFITS!!! Barack Obama’s plan only raises taxes on people with individual incomes over a quarter-million dollars.
- Sarah Palin and John McCain lie and claim that their plan is better for people like us. They don’t cut taxes for us hardly at all, and wipe out that cut with their plan to tax our health benefits!!!! Barack Obama actually cuts middle class taxes to try to restore fairness that was lost under Bush.
- Sarah Palin lied when she said Barack Obama had authored “no major law, not even in the state senate.” This is just a bald-faced lie. In fact, just in the US Senate, Barack Obama passed the most sweeping reform package since Watergate, and reached across party lines to pass, with Senator Lugar, legislation to help keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists and, with Senator Coburn, legislation to create a revolutionary database that makes government more transparent and accountable.
- Sarah Palin and John McCain continue to lie about Barack Obama’s energy plans. They keep pushing more drilling as the main answer to our problems, when it won’t do anything to lower the price of gas. And then they claim Barack Obama, in the words of Palin, “is against producing [more energy]. Barack Obama is for producing more clean energy and ending our addiction to oil. He has the most comprehensive energy plan of any Presidential candidate in history.
- The Republicans keep attacking Barack Obama’s plans for Iraq, even though the Iraqi government AND THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION just signed an agreement that follows the plan Barack Obama has been advocating for months.
- It’s the same thing on negotiations and diplomacy. Sarah Palin attacked Barack Obama for holding the position that the Bush Administration has belatedly been forced to adopt: holding direct talks with Iran. We’re too strong a country to be afraid of talking to Iraq.
*****
Sure glad noone here told any of these whoppers. :)
“She is in the ring. No knockout yet.” — designlaw.
I wonder if Biden is cad enough to slap her bloody.
It’s funny watching people argue over whether candidates are “qualified”.
Look who’s in the White House. Lack of qualification didn’t seem to bother 49% of the people back in 2000….
Steven
YOUR candidate said he was going to lower taxes for MOST Americans.
That is not possible, since only about half of America pays income taxes, to begin with.
How about looking at the Obama lies?
Palin makes solo appearance reiterates lines from last night, concludes without taking questions.
Who could of guessed?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_88
Barbie’s empty behind the do.
I’ve seen Joe Biden debate. He is badly overmatched against Gov Palin.
Alaska is larger, geographically, than any other state.
Federal highways cost money.
Transportation, of Federal employees, to the lower 48 costs money.
Federal buildings cost more to heat, in Alaska.
Lots of federal regulators in Alaska, for many reasons.
Forests, fisheries, oil, land use issues.
Show us the WELFARE and FOODSTAMP numbers, per capita, why don’t you?
How much Federal Tax Revenue does Alaska PRODUCE???
Maybe if Kathleen Sebelius had supported “clean coal”????
:)
Doen’t the commentator(s) normally correct glaring misstatements made after the candidates speech? Didn’t see none of that although there were virtually all statements about Obama that consisted of extreme exageration or out right fabrication.
How many candidate don’t take questions from reporters?
Phantom posts;
Palin makes solo appearance reiterates lines from last night, concludes without taking questions.
Who could of guessed?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_88
Barbie’s empty behind the do.
Show me anywhere in the link you provide that points to your conclusion.
That gal could figuratively, or literally, dress you out, that is gut and quarter you, Phantom while you just wimper.
And she’ll do the same to the empty Obama and foot in his mouth Biden.
“How much Federal Tax Revenue does Alaska PRODUCE???” — Franklin
Pathetic. Look it up and tell us Franklin.
mom
That is bull.
The Guard had PLENTY of manpower, and equipment, to respond in Greensburg.
Also, Regular Army and Regular Air Force resources and manpower were available, if needed.
No such request was ever made, to my knowledge.
“Show us the WELFARE and FOODSTAMP numbers, per capita, why don’t you?” — Franklin
Look it up and tell us, but I forget, you don’t deal in facts. Look them up. Such info is easy enough to find.
But does phrasing a search require logic?
I would also point out that Palin’s Alaska pipeline iniative may have been first proposed by her Democratic opponent.
besides, Mom
Someone took a shot at Alaska’s guard, and I am saying that Palin has the same difficulties, with her Alaska Guard, as Sebelius has here, in Kansas.
Alaska is the LARGEST STATE in total land mass.
There are several areas in Alaska controlled by the Federal government.
There are huge coast lines, which also require Federal involvement.
Alaska is a huge source of tax revenue.
However, Alaska’s size requires a bit more management than most states.
More Troopergate. Was this in the Eagle yesterday or even today?
Palin files ethics complaint against self in ‘troopergate’
By Lisa Demer
McClatchy Newspapers
Wednesday, September 03, 2008
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin wants a state board to review the circumstances surrounding the dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan — taking the unusual step of making an ethics complaint against herself.
Her lawyer sent an “ethics disclosure” Monday night to Attorney General Talis Colberg. The governor asked that it go to the three-person Personnel Board as a complaint. While ethics complaints are usually confidential, Palin wants the matter open.
The lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, also asked the state legislature to drop its own investigation into the Monegan matter. He says the Personnel Board has jurisdiction over ethics.
A senator running the investigation immediately refused.
The 13-page document gives Palin’s view of a controversy that’s dogged her for weeks in Alaska. Questions about whether she or others in her family or administration pressured Monegan to fire her ex-brother-in-law, state Trooper Mike Wooten, are now getting intense national attention with her newfound prominence on the national stage. Republican Sen. John McCain announced Friday that she’s his pick to be vice president.
Under state law, the board must hire an independent counsel for complaints against the governor to determine whether evidence of a violation of the state ethics act exists.
“Governor Palin believes it will find no conceivable violation of the Ethics Act,” her complaint says. She wants the investigation “to put these matters to rest.”
The legislature plans to go forward with its investigation, said Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat and former state prosecutor who is project director for the case.
That investigation isn’t just examining potential abuse of power by the governor, but also others in her administration, French said.
“We’re going to proceed. If they want to proceed, that’s perfectly within their right but it doesn’t diminish our right to do so,” he said.
The legislature’s special counsel Steve Branchflower so far has not been able to depose either Palin or her husband, Todd. Van Flein indicated the governor likely will not agree to a deposition unless lawmakers turn the matter over to the Personnel Board.
“Assuming you agree to submit to proper jurisdictional process, we can check the governor’s schedule to see when she and the first gentleman are available for an interview,” Van Flein wrote.
He also warned that all communications need to go through the lawyers. He said he had recently learned that Branchflower tried to call Todd Palin directly “on a secure and confidential line. This represents a serious security breach that we may be obligated to report to the Secret Service.”
This isn’t the first time Palin has lodged a complaint that went before the state Personnel Board.
In late 2004, the former Wasilla mayor joined then state Rep. Eric Croft, an Anchorage Democrat, to seek an investigation into whether then Attorney General Gregg Renkes broke the law through his investments in an energy company that stood to benefit from a state trade deal.
In the days after he resigned in February 2005, Renkes settled with the board and the Palin-Croft complaint was dismissed.
Tom Daniel, an Anchorage labor and employment lawyer hired by the board in the Renkes case, took a quick look at Palin’s complaint Tuesday.
“It appears that the governor has filed an ethics complaint against herself. … This is very unusual because ethics complaints typically are filed against others,” Daniel wrote in an e-mail responding to a Anchorage Daily News query.
Asked whether the personnel board could take the investigation away from the legislature — as Palin wants to do — Daniel answered: “I’ve never looked at that issue, but I can’t see why filing a complaint with the personnel board would deprive the legislature of the right to conduct its own investigation.”
The ethics disclosure echoes points made in a four-page backgrounder on the Wooten matter released by the McCain/Palin campaign. Did Van Flein write the background paper on Wooten for the campaign? He didn’t answer that question when asked in an e-mail Tuesday evening.
Wooten was married to Palin’s sister, Molly McCann, and as recently as this summer, they were still struggling over child custody and visitation.
Among key claims in Palin’s complaint:
—Special Agent Bob Cockrell of the governor’s security detail told Todd Palin to let Monegan know about Wooten’s threats against Chuck Heath, who is Palin’s father and was Wooten’s father-in-law.
—Monegan never told the governor or Todd Palin that Wooten had been disciplined over complaints brought by the family that included tasering his stepson, illegally shooting a moose and telling others that Heath would “eat a f—-ing lead bullet” if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce. Wooten ultimately was suspended for five days by troopers but the family says they only learned that when the conflict spilled into public after Monegan’s firing. In her complaint, Palin calls the suspension “a slap on the wrist.”
—Recently, Wooten’s supervisor intervened when he wouldn’t return the children after a visit, the complaint says. Wooten warned his ex-wife he was going to get her and Palin, the complaint says. “There is evidence suggesting that Wooten was following the governor,” it says.
Palin is facing another ethics complaint, filed by a former state employee and political activist alleging her office used improper influence to award a state job.
Van Flein is a private lawyer with expertise in employment law hired by the Department of Law because of a potential conflict of interest by Attorney General Talis Colberg, who had contacted Monegan about Wooten. Van Flein is representing the governor’s office though some Palin staff have their own lawyers.
Van Flein donated to Palin’s campaign for governor in 2006, but he also donated to Democrats.
Well
The one Convention that I attended?
Speakers from the night before visited the various state “caucuses” during the day, to fire up the troops.
I am sure that Palin has lots of things to do.
Also, the story, today, should be McCain.
Palin should make the press beg to see her. She does not need them.
Libs
The trooper in question used a tazer on his own kid, and made death threats against the Palin family.
Do you really think this hurts Palin, to bring this up?
He admits the tazar use; the “allegedly” made the threats. There is no proof of that. In custody and divorce proceedings, things get said. I’m sure you know all about that.
The trooper in question used a tazer on his own kid, and made death
Allegedly requested by the kid, and the taser was on “test”. (Note the “allegedly”)
and made death threats against the Palin family.
Seems I’ve seen some death threats posted on here…
Best to wait out the outcome, rather than judging without all the facts, doncha think?
Biden has a temper. Tempers do not win debates.He will likely blunder into insulting Palin in some manner. She will likely be underestimated by many and will be cool and knowledgable.
A snippet of what she is like in a debate from 2006.
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_08_31-2008_09_06.shtml#1220476375
OK, fair enough —
STOP JUDGING PALIN!
Nananana, HLP was close!Only a million less than Obama!
Thirteen million more than hair plug Biden!
hehehehe
That was just curiosity, everyone looking to see the new girl on the block, after hearing she was a looker. Big Drop off tonight.
BIDEN has a temper?!
http://blog.case.edu/conservativemovement/2008/01/29/john_mccains_top_ten_temper_explosions
Googled ‘McCain temper’
Results 1 – 10 of about 868,000 for mccain temper.
Googled ‘Biden temper’
Results 91 – 100 of about 538,000 for biden temper.
The Surge is working at last.
“Obama: Surge Succeeded Beyond ‘Wildest Dreams’”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/maverick_misleads.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/hit_the_brakes.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html
You can now go back to the regular unending partisan bullsh*t.
This is worth a look too.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 4, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Okay cosmos,
You going to personally guard all the electrical transmission lines and all the gas lines in the country?
They are all over the place you know.
Ever see those unguarded switching and booster stations? They are unguarded and all over the place.
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Try to stay focused mutli-nic. . . the issue is the dependability of the 800-mile long Alaskan pipeline. That pipeline is supposed to be the big “solution” to our oil supply.
A drunk shut it down with a hunting rifle. okobserver says that we can fix that problem by confiscating guns from drunks near the pipeline.
okobserver posted September 3, 2008 at 10:20 pm
“I say we should not let drunks have guns in Alaska if they live close to the pipeline. That will solve that problem.”
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The other two problems are mechanical failures, and bombs. How do we fix those problems?
The U.S. Army said that the 800-mile pipeline is “indefensible”. Also, a mid-winter shutdown could congeal the heated oil, making a restart impossible until the next winter.
E01-04, Fool’s Gold in Alaska — annotated, Foreign Affairs (PDF-980k)
near bottom of page here,
http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid256.php
The future dependability of the 800-mile long Alaska is important, because it’s currently the only way to get North Slope oil to markets.
Just because it’s our “own” oil does not mean that it’s a long-term dependable source.
‘Palin’s Speech at the Republican National Convention’
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080903_PALIN_SPEECH.html
“With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.
(APPLAUSE)
To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth of the world’s energy supplies, or that terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia, or that Venezuela might shut off its oil discoveries and its deliveries of that source, Americans, we need to produce more of our own oil and gas. And…
(APPLAUSE)
And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: We’ve got lots of both.
(APPLAUSE)”
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Also, Palin did not mention in her speech that the Badami field, 1/2 way between Prudhoe Bay and the western edge of the Refuge, has NOT produced as expected.
It was shutdown before oil prices rose a few years ago, restarted when prices rose, and still is a low producer.
‘BP and Savant looking at Badami restart’
http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/610780426.shtml
“Major and independent would drill two wells over the next two years to avoid losing lands at the unit, hopefully restart field.”
Pay attention cosmos,
Serendipity stories like the drunk hunter have surfaces ever since the Alaskan Oil pipeline.
As I said, get a grip and get a life, it’s going to be built, the contract is out. BTW, there was only one bidder and thus they got the contractor before another Lib gets a wild hair up their ass.
So calm down cosmos, it will be built and you can go play ‘Henny Penny’ – the sky is falling somewhere else.
I’m hardly alone Franklin paulie.
Your side just thinks you are having a good day.
Your VP is a fundamentalist wacko. That wing of the party has been dragging on the cons for years.
Palin may be the first Vice Presidential nominee indicted before the election. McCain’s non vetting of her makes her a continually evolving story.
But let the fundos have their day. It’s been so long SINCE they had one. They think Sarah Palin is gonna get the church back in the face of Americans again.
I am somewhat pleased to let them know that aside from a funeral, my son has never seen the inside of a church. And until such time as he decides to go to one himself, I aim to keep it that way.
Visions that Sarah Palin will make all the Christo fascist dreams come true are harmless. It will even be amusing to me when their new heroine crashes and burns.
Sounds like Palin’s speech was good for Obama’s campaign coffers.
Bloomberg is reporting that approximately 130,000 donors have contributed over ten million dollars to Obama’s campaign since the end of Palin’s speech last night.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aFxhGfVhHBtc
Daniel
Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink
Sounds like Palin’s speech was good for Obama’s campaign coffers.
Bloomberg is reporting that approximately 130,000 donors have contributed over ten million dollars to Obama’s campaign since the end of Palin’s speech last night.
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Wasn’t the latest email campaign supposed to be for Hurricane Relief?
Or was Obama ‘fer’ Hurricane relief then ‘agin’ it?
Bloomberg is reporting that approximately 130,000 donors have contributed over ten million dollars to Obama’s campaign since the end of Palin’s speech last night.
And more coming in tonight during/after McCain’s speech.
Predestined
Posted September 4, 2008 at 5:37 pm | Permalink
The trooper in question used a tazer on his own kid, and made death
Allegedly requested by the kid, and the taser was on “test”. (Note the “allegedly”)
and made death threats against the Palin family.
Seems I’ve seen some death threats posted on here
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I talked with a cop I know about the taser he carries. There is NO test mode for a taser. It shoots out the same amount of electrical current no matter how you use it.
He also told me policies for any department he knows of do not allow for taser’s to be used other than during use of force situations.
The officer told me cops in other agencies have been fired for using them on family or friends or others for ‘just the heck of it’ to show them what it feels like.
Biden has a temper? Have you heard of McCain?
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 4, 2008 at 6:40 pm
“Pay attention cosmos,
Serendipity stories like the drunk hunter have surfaces ever since the Alaskan Oil pipeline.
As I said, get a grip and get a life, it’s going to be built, the contract is out. BTW, there was only one bidder and thus they got the contractor before another Lib gets a wild hair up their ass.
So calm down cosmos, it will be built and you can go play ‘Henny Penny’ – the sky is falling somewhere else.”
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WHAT is your problem, multi-nic’d???
Are you very, very confused, and/or clueless? Or just trolling?
My posts above have all been about the decades-old, existing, 800-mile long Alaskan OIL pipeline.
I have posted NOTHING about any unbuilt, future pipelines.
And the shutdown of Alaska’s 800-mile long oil pipeline by a drunk, during heightened security in Oct. 2001, is NOT a “serendipity story”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1584553.stm
‘On Obama, Earmarks, Palin Less Than Honest
Palin’s RNC Speech Bent the Truth on Her Record and on the Opposition’
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5726571&page=1
Why are you bringing up ancient, irrelevant stories cosmos?
What a loser you are.
No one cares about what you write, but you.
You’re like the smeared chalk on the board.
Dusty, unreadable and something that once was.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
Regular
Posted September 4, 2008 at 6:55 pm | Permalink
Wasn’t the latest email campaign supposed to be for Hurricane Relief?
Or was Obama ‘fer’ Hurricane relief then ‘agin’ it?
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Ummmm… not the same email campaign!!
Cosmos — any two-bit actor/actress with even a hint of public speaking experience, can read a well-rehearsed speech off of cue cards… not a big trick…
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Chas
Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink
Cosmos — any two-bit actor/actress with even a hint of public speaking experience, can read a well-rehearsed speech off of cue cards… not a big trick…
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Kind of like Obama and his teleprompters eh?
I believe Obama actually wrote his speech, Regular.
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beber
Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink
I believe Obama actually wrote his speech, Regular.
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Source?
Trying to find something interesting here other than the fainting fundies.
What is that on lil Sarah’s lapel?
It’s not an American flag. Not that that is any kind of issue for me.
It looks vaguely like a Japanese flag.
Conservatives have disliked McCain for years. Someone gave him great advice when he picked Palin.
For those of you who don’t understand this, it is because she is a woman who embodies the meaning of the word pro-life.
Human rights begin with the right to life in the womb.
This is why for many of us the right to life is the main issue.
beber
Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink
I believe Obama actually wrote his speech, Regular.
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You can’t be serious?
Deb
Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:29 pm | Permalink
Conservatives have disliked McCain for years. Someone gave him great advice when he picked Palin.
For those of you who don’t understand this, it is because she is a woman who embodies the meaning of the word pro-life.
Human rights begin with the right to life in the womb.
This is why for many of us the right to life is the main issue.
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I agree Deb. Not only that she’s tough. She’s smart. Intelligent. And still all woman.
“Source?” — Regular
“Obama, the author of two best-selling memoirs, is a rarity among national political figures in that he has long been intimately involved in preparing the precise words to be used in his speeches.” –
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-26-obama-cover_N.htm
I heard the same thing on the radio; that Obama had holed up to write the speech and was unavailable for a time.
Looked it up; yep. Though I imagine it was vetted. He does have speech writers. I also believe he stopped using them for the most part after the New Hampshire loss. He lost that one in part because Clinton complemented him for poetic rhetoric, but followed with: “but you rule in prose.”
Palin come from an end-times congregation, we already have one of those for president, don’t need another.
“He preaches repeatedly about the “end times” or “last days,” an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, “I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them.”
Think I’d rather face end-times than live in Alaska!
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 4, 2008 at 7:47 pm
“Why are you bringing up ancient, irrelevant stories cosmos?”
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Multi-nic’d Regular seems to believe that,
1) October 2001 is “ancient”.
2) The past, and possibly future shutdown of “our” oil from Alaska’s North Slope is “irrelevant” to the United States of America’s energy policy.
“Human rights begin with the right to life in the womb.” — Mr. Kia.
What about habeas corpus?
Palin’s strategy is getting clearer, cause the end-times so Alaska can fulfill its destiny of Refuge state for the faithful.
She could make bush seem like a good guy.
Yeah I’d heard that Palin might be the first pentacostal or pentacostalish candidate.
THOSE folks are just plain crazy. Rolling around on the floor and speaking in tongues?
If the media doesn’t ask her about her affiliation with that nut pastor, they’ve failed America.
Wonder if Trig had to be born in Alaska to be one of the chosen?
“I agree Deb. Not only that she’s tough. She’s smart. Intelligent. And still all woman.”
Sorry…anyone who gets pregnant at the age of 43 knowing what the risks are, believes that God blessed the Iraqi war, and that creationism should be taught in public schools, can’t be too intelligent…all I observed last night was a good actress and lots of political drama..no substance whatsoever. She’s just one more right wing fundamentalist hypocrite Republican who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk…all arrogance and ignorance.
My mom had 5 kids, worked full time running a business, and like all women, she was a multi-tasker and a go getter…but that doesn’t mean she would have been any good at running the country. It takes common sense, intelligence, and diplomacy…and I haven’t seen any of those qualities from her yet, just more rhetoric and tough talk….it means nothing.
PS…so can you be more specific as to what being “all woman” means? Is that like looking sexy while you call yourself a pit bull?
Regular to cosmos:
“Why are you bringing up ancient, irrelevant stories cosmos?
“What a loser you are.
“No one cares about what you write, but you.
“You’re like the smeared chalk on the board.
“Dusty, unreadable and something that once was.”
Translation: I got nothing but ad hominem, but hey, I can get responses to it.
Proper response:
Re: Regular
DNFTT
Obama preps in solitude for speech
By CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN | 8/25/08 ST
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CHICAGO — For three days in a row, Barack Obama traded his Hyde Park home for a solitary Park Hyatt hotel room.
He needed space to think, on his own. With no aides and a small security detail, he put his pencil to his legal pad and worked on a nomination acceptance speech that pundits will inevitably compare to the 2004 Democratic National Convention address that catapulted him into political stardom.
Facing expectations much higher this time around, Obama was ensconced inside the downtown luxury hotel — alone, according to aides — preparing for the biggest speech of his career. He worked on it for 20 hours, until past midnight each day.
“I am still tooling around with my speech a little bit,” Obama said Sunday.
In an obvious attempt to lower the bar, he said “it may not be as good as the headliners of the other three nights, but hopefully it will make clear the choice that the American people are going to face in November.”
The Hyatt hideaway replicates the milieu of four years ago, when Obama composed a draft of his speech in a Springfield, Ill., hotel room, writing between state Senate duties. Obama wrote it longhand, with a pencil and a legal pad, similar to the methods aides say he is using to craft his acceptance speech.
On Friday, as the country buzzed about who would be chosen to run as his vice president, Obama sequestered himself inside the Hyatt, a five-star hotel owned by the family of his national finance chairman, Penny Pritzker. He worked through the afternoon, took a 90-minute break for dinner with his family and returned to the hotel.
After introducing Delaware Sen. Joe Biden as his running mate Saturday at a Springfield rally, Obama flew back to Chicago and headed to the Hyatt, again staying up past midnight.
By Sunday, it was routine. His wife and daughters had left for Denver earlier in the day, so the family’s Hyde Park house was empty.
But after campaigning in Wisconsin, Obama flew home, worked out and made the 20-minute trip from Hyde Park to the Hyatt. His motorcade disappeared into a private garage, as did Obama in the hotel for the next seven hours. He emerged at 2 a.m., sitting in the back seat of an SUV, his head either bowed in exhaustion or buried in materials on his lap.
“He can clear his thoughts and write without the distractions of home,” Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
He has collaborated with speechwriters and top aides, but with many of them in Denver already, Obama has worked alone at the hotel, Psaki said.
The late-night sessions shed light on the meticulous preparations that are going into the speech. Expectations will undoutedly build this week as the media revisits Obama’s 2004 convention performance and speculate about the impact of this year’s address.
“This speech requires more thought, more preparation,” Obama told the Chicago Tribune in an interview published Saturday. “I’m not focused on trying to match the soaring rhetoric or levels of excitement that we had four years ago. This is much more a yeoman-like task of making the case for my presidency.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12810.html
She’s looking more and more like a fruitcake instead of a cupcake.
“For those of you who don’t understand this, it is because she is a woman who embodies the meaning of the word pro-life.”
Well, maybe.
She clearly does not value life or quality of life much BEYOND birth.
As Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin cut the funding for special needs kids (like her own son) by 62%.
Now that is not trimming a little waste here and there. That is the slash and burn tactics of the Wrecking Crew.
Michelle also wrote her speech.
Being literate is a qualification for the presidency.
I bet nary a republican wrote their own speech, or for that matter even contributed much to it.
Or could.
“Conservatives have disliked McCain for years. Someone gave him great advice when he picked Palin.
“For those of you who don’t understand this, it is because she is a woman who embodies the meaning of the word pro-life.
“Human rights begin with the right to life in the womb.
“This is why for many of us the right to life is the main issue.”
Here’s the flip side of this Deb.
1) The flip side to “human rights being with the “right to life in the womb”, particularly when starting from conception, is a non-starter politically. The flip side of “right to life”, as policy, is that women should be legally compelled to carry pregnancies to term, or risk illegal abortions.
2) People who are obsessive compulsive on Christian/social conservative issues are a potent political force, at the level of organizing and in elections where people are not ticked off at the government. However, when those same obsessive compulsive on Christian/social conservative issues overplay their hand, and certainty leads to that sort of overplaying, then they arouse the ire of everyone else who can vote who are NOT obsessive compulsive on Christian/social conservative issues. That’s a fact. That’s why Phill Kline lost two consecutive elections. That’s why the religious conservatives have been voted off majorities of the State Board of Education, twice. As for having a running mate that appeals to this block, ask James Barnett how well having Wagle on his ticket worked for him.
I agree that the pick of Palin was smart, because she was not that well known, they could trumpet her as a maverick, and she was smart enough to stay away from those issues that, while popular with the audience she was speaking to, would have gone over like a deflated lead balloon with the public, including the foul weather swing voters who are factors in this election. It was a very smart speech, and the Republicans were very smart to move Guiliani into Brownback’s spot, and for that matter to nominate McCain in the first place.
Because believe you me, those conservatives you mentioned, those of you who are obsessed with Right to Life? You are liabilities in the 2008 election. The Republicans want your support, but they don’t want you to be the face of the party for this campaign. And that is a fact.
And just to be fair, secularist agnostics like me are not the people that the Democratic party wants to be the face of their campaign either.
Or would be allowed to. That’s what I keep telling you. It doesn’t matter to them that their candidates are not qualified, are too old, or are just plain nuts. They won’t be running the country. The collective does that.
Anyone who doesn’t care that thousands of Iraqi children have died in our quest for oil, power, and more control in the Middle east isn’t pro-life.
What pisses me off the most is the smug way the cons all smile, laugh, and mock, and make fun of anyone who disagrees with them. More than 4,000 of our soldiers and over a 100,000 Iraqis have died for no just reason…and they all act like it’s some big f**king picnic.
I wonder how Pitbull Palin will feel about things if her own son gets killed over there…it might make the tragedy of this whole fiasco a little more real for her. I HATE armchair warriors.
I knew this was coming (since Palin’s speech had some howlers that had been previously debunked). But, it really could have been worse.
Fact check weighs in on the Sarah Palin speech and other speeches from last night at the Republican Convention:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin_part_ii.html
And as a reminder, here is Fact Check’s analysis of the Obama speech from last Thursday.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html
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Mary_Caruso
Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:14 pm | Permalink
Anyone who doesn’t care that thousands of Iraqi children have died in our quest for oil, power, and more control in the Middle east isn’t pro-life.
What pisses me off the most is the smug way the cons all smile, laugh, and mock, and make fun of anyone who disagrees with them. More than 4,000 of our soldiers and over a 100,000 Iraqis have died for no just reason…and they all act like it’s some big f**king picnic.
I wonder how Pitbull Palin will feel about things if her own son gets killed over there…it might make the tragedy of this whole fiasco a little more real for her. I HATE armchair warriors.
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You waved that flag of selfish claim to superiority more than once Mary Caruso.
No one knows, better than soldier how children suffer in a war.
Quit using platitudes designed to put yourself on a pedestal of righteous indignation.
Not everyone puts their heart on a sleeve and we all have feelings about such things.
How about thinking just for yourself and quit assigning other people you’ve never met with your own judgment and values?
Going back to Reagan I’ve always thought Republcan presidents were little more than marinet puppets.
Just the fact that she was praying with her church that the war was God’s master plan, tells me she’d think her son was a martyr.
VP candidate Sarah Palin, 2008: “Thanks but no thanks (to the bridge to nowhere).”
Gubunatorial candidate Sarah Palin, 2006: “People across the nation struggle with the idea of building a bridge because they’ve been under these misperceptions about the bridge and the purpose,” said Palin, who described the link as the Ketchikan area’s potential for expansion and growth. … Palin said Alaska’s congressional delegation worked hard to obtain funding for the bridge as part of a package deal and that she “would not stand in the way of the progress toward that bridge.”
oooops!
I wonder how Pitbull Palin will feel about things if her own son gets killed over there
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Mary, generalize much?
Yes Mary, war is hell. But unfortunately it IS necessary at times. Because true evil does exist in this world. Where it does, it can not be ignored. If you don’t agree with that, fine. But I won’t just let you put words in the mouth and motives in the hearts of every one who calls themselves conservatives without taking you to task.
If you want to say I’m “rightously indigent”, that’s OK. I don’t believe in this war, I never did, and I resent anyone who feels as though the cost in human life was justified for what we gained from this war. If that makes me “superior” to you, than I guess I am.
BTW, what were you willing to sacrifice, Reg?
“Yes Mary, war is hell. But unfortunately it IS necessary at times. Because true evil does exist in this world. Where it does, it can not be ignored. If you don’t agree with that, fine. But I won’t just let you put words in the mouth and motives in the hearts of every one who calls themselves conservatives without taking you to task.”
This war wasn’t necessary. And evil exists all over the world..so who should we invade next? China, Russia, North Korea?
Our freedom was never threatened by Iraq.
So Out, what have YOU sacrificed for this war?
She’s a liar, liar pants on fire:
“PALIN STRETCHES THE TRUTH”
from the Anchorage Daily News 9/04/08:
PALIN: “I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history. And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence. That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.
THE FACTS: Palin implies that construction has begun on a major natural gas pipeline from the top of Alaska into Canada. That is not correct.
In fact, no building has begun and actual construction is years away, if it ever happens. This summer the Alaska Legislature, at Palin’s request, passed a bill under which the state will issue a “license” to a Canadian energy company, TransCanada Corp., and pay it up to $500 million as an incentive to someday build this enormous project, which Alaska politicians have long sought with little success. The license is not a construction contract, and federal energy regulators have not yet approved the project.
I hate hypocrites..and anyone who supports this useless war and then claims to be pro life is a hypocrite.
Agnatha,
The spineless fish posts;
“Fact check weighs in on the Sarah Palin speech and other speeches from last night at the Republican Convention”
Oh right, the Annenberg Public Policy Center the most left wing lying organization in America voices in….worthless information you jawless fish.
Hey Agnatha,
Are you shaking and sweating a little with this little lady Palin all over your worthless candidate?
Kinda funny to see you squirm.
No one knows, better than soldier how children suffer in a war.
Except for those who pick up the broken pieces and broken bodies of those children.
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Predestined
Posted September 4, 2008 at 11:14 pm | Permalink
No one knows, better than soldier how children suffer in a war.
Except for those who pick up the broken pieces and broken bodies of those children.
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That’s true as well.
There is no compensation for life.
And, there is no justified reason to condemn others in a general categorization about it either.
“The flip side of “right to life”, as policy, is that women should be legally compelled to carry pregnancies to term, or risk illegal abortions.”
Agnatha,
Are you to simple or selfish minded to understand that women are not ever compelled to bare children. They have a choice in creating life. But once a life is created they have no right to terminate that separate life simply for their own convenience.
And irregardless, no one is forcing an “illegal” abortion on them….they are solely responsible if they choose to go for an illegal abortion.
“But once a life is created they have no right to terminate that separate life simply for their own convenience.”
Interesting that Sarah Palin has made herself a hero over a choice she would deny to others.
She had the resources to care for a special needs baby.
Even while she slashed Alaska’s budget for those same special needs kids.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted September 4, 2008 at 9:40 pm | Permalink
I hate hypocrites..and anyone who supports this useless war and then claims to be pro life is a hypocrite.
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If you are talking about me, I’m reluctantly pro choice as it is the law. My faith tells me abortion is wrong, however, I don’t do the civil disobedience thing as I feel that is wrong as well.
I don’t support the war and that’s what your narrow vision thinks. I support the military and I support the Commander-in-Chief.
Anyone who has been in the military hates war and the shocking events it can bring.
My poem for Mary:
The innocent unknowingly received the fury.
I did not hear their cries or pleas.
My buddies around me screamed in horror and agony as they lay dieing from mortal wounds.
I did not see through their eyes, but my own.
I stood before the long rows of white grave markers and did not know those that came before.
I saw a mother weeping, a wife sobbing, each with common sorrow and abandonment of what they held dear.
I choked with sorrowful empathy, but could not cry, as I was holding the flag with my comrades and could not waiver from my stance.
The clouds passed over as they have on other days, but on this day I felt small and insignificant.
I was alone, I cried, but no one saw or heard.
The terror of war remains, the screams echo in my mind, the images of innocents burn deep into my soul.
On occasion I smell the sweet, sickening smell of blood others have left on the ground.
I try to put it back, but it eludes my grasp.
I can yet hear the massive explosions and the vibrations that startle me still.
I am afraid, no one shares my fear but my comrades.
I was alone, I cried. No one saw or heard.
The clouds passed over as they have on other days.
Today I felt small and insignificant.
The Bugler “Taps” for me is incomplete and I am left wanting.
I did not hear their cries or pleas.
I am haunted by the absence of sound, yet it remains in my mind.
When the time comes for me to be represented by the marker amongst the many, I shall whisper.
The clouds will pass over, as on any other day.
Sarah Palin is being hidden from the press.
SO it is up to bloggers to vet her.
Since John McCain didn’t?
As Mayor of that little Alaskan town, Sarah Palin wanted some books banned from the local library. She was steadfast enough that when the librarian resisted her, she threatened to fire that librarian.
The town fought back over this and other Palin power grabs and very nearly recalled Sarah Palin.
Palin survived that and here we are.
I was wondering what books it was that Sarah Palin thought she should keep people from reading and so I went looking. Maybe a reporter can do better and find out more.
IF Sarah Palin ever talks to reporters.
Information as to Sarah Palin is disappearing from the net by the hour. But this is what I found.
“Sarah Palin, Book Banner?
Just in time for ALA’s Banned Books Week later this month, Daily Kos just gave us a tip about the TIME magazine article on Presidential VP nominee Sarah Palin and how she tried to fire librarian Mary Ellen Baker for not banning questionable books.
Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. “She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving “full support” to the mayor.
Over at Librarian.net, one of the commenters listed the books Palin tried to ban from the library including such literary gems as:
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Anything by Stephen King
Everything by J.K. Rowling
Most of William Shakespeare’s work
and my personal favorite
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Maybe if she didn’t want to ban Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective her daughter Bristol wouldn’t be having a shotgun wedding.
An advice columnist offers her counsel to the Palin Family.
Margo Howard, The New Republic Published: Thursday, September 04, 2008
I have been asked what advice I might have for the Palin family. For the record, no Palin (nor Levi Johnston, for that matter) has written in. But the drama surrounding the family life of John McCain’s running mate, for whatever reason, has riveted the country. Maybe the fact that Sarah Palin is the first female Republican vice-presidential nominee is responsible for all this interest. Or it might be the fact that she is good-looking. Or that she was runner-up in the Miss Alaska contest. Or that she has five children, some of whom are the subject of gossip. Or that her husband is a part Eskimo, snowmobiling, professional fisherman. Or that she is under an ethics investigation. Or that her suitability for the office of vice-president is being questioned because of her limited experience in a state with the population of approximately two Cincinnatis.
Three days after Palin’s addition to the Republican ticket was announced, the McCain campaign revealed that Palin’s 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, is pregnant. To be solidly behind their daughter and reject any notion of shame, the Palins not only announced the young woman’s pregnancy, but they also said (1) she was going to have the baby and (2) she and the father-to-be would be married. I happen to think that 17- and 18-year-old people should not marry. I think the young man should be active in the baby’s life, but marriage should be put off until both parents are more mature. I say this because, often, the people we would choose to marry in high school are not the same ones we would pick in our 20s. When one or both young people feel robbed of their youth, it only contributes to feelings of resentment and, often, early divorce. This young man, particularly, might do well with a few more single years under his belt. I say this because, according to the New York Post, he has written on his MySpace page (since removed):
“I’m a f – - -in’ redneck” who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. “But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- – - and just f – - -in’ chillin’ I guess.”
“Ya f – - – with me I’ll kick [your] ass,” he adds.
He also claims to be “in a relationship,” but states, “I don’t want kids.”
Though he was all smiles when he joined the family tableau following Sarah Palin’s RNC speech, chewing gum the whole time (an activity, like belching, best done in private), his online self-evaluation would suggest that he may not be ready to settle down.
I find it admirable that Bristol’s parents took a positive, public approach to their future grandchild. They said they were proud of their daughter’s decision to have the baby. No one, of course, has any idea of what went on when young Bristol broke the news to her parents. I’m not sure “proud” would have been the word spoken in that fraught moment. But then again, you never know. From sleuthing around in Alaskan records, it appears that when Sarah and Todd married, they, too, may have already started a family. But as my mother used to say, “The baby wasn’t early, the wedding was late.”
Another issue much discussed is how a mother would manage the four children still at home. (Track, the son named for a favorite high school activity, is on his way to Iraq.) It just seems like a lot to be a mom to all those kids while being President McCain’s partner, going to funerals abroad, and being on deck to break tie votes in the Senate. The new baby being a special needs infant with Down syndrome might further complicate things. Time just seems to get gobbled up when you’re raising children–or, come to think of it, even when you’re not. I have a girlfriend who e-mailed me just today saying she had to get ready to leave the country, get a manicure and pedicure, have her hair cut, and she was, frankly, too busy to be vice president. I would probably say the same goes for me.
As any married woman knows, she also has to consider Todd Palin’s feelings, as the egos of our spouses are delicate things. One could easily surmise that moving into the Naval Observatory right after Dick Cheney, as the non-office-holding spouse, could put a certain strain on a marriage. And don’t forget that whatever fish the “first dude” might be able to catch in the Potomac River or in Rock Creek Park would certainly be inferior to the ones he’d snare on a big boat in Alaska.
Another problem is tied to “Troopergate,” the ethics investigation. I am not so concerned about Ms. Palin allegedly trying to have her ex-brother-in-law fired from his state trooper’s job as I am about her thought process. When child and spousal support are required, as the judge in the case has commented, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to try to get the man fired from his job. Those of us who have lived through this (I’m talking about being in the position of Sarah’s sister, not being a state trooper) may want the guy shot from a cannon, but we definitely want him employed.
In any case, I wish the Family Palin all the best, and should they need guidance, I am here for them.
Margo Howard writes “Dear Margo” for Yahoo! News and Creators Syndicate.
I just heard that Sarah is heading back to AK for a short “cram session”. This from Newsweek. Her return is expect possibly midweek next week.
Notice the resident lobotomized liberal BlueJay never once provides any references.
Because he gets this stuff off of left wing wacko sites that don’t know what truth is.
I did a great deal of honest searching to try and find the books that Sarah Palin wanted banned there Box.
I also acknowledged that information on Palin was being scrubbed from the web and that what I found was what I could find.
You are of course free to point out any error in what I have posted.
Or you could ask Sarah Palin. If you can find her.
” You are of course free to point out any error in what I have posted.
Or you could ask Sarah Palin. If you can find her.”
Okay BlueJay…..what you have posted is in compete error without references to support it. And like there is a big conspiracy going on to scrub the entire Internet of what you are looking for as if that were possible.
Don’t worry about finding Sarah, in her time, and no one else’s, she will carve out a piece of the DemsLibs butts.
“‘Agnatha,
‘The spineless fish posts;’
Actually, it’s jawless fish. Yes, hagfish are spineless but other agnathans were and are not.
Boxlock quoting me: “‘Fact check weighs in on the Sarah Palin speech and other speeches from last night at the Republican Convention’
“Oh right, the Annenberg Public Policy Center the most left wing lying organization in America voices in….worthless information you jawless fish.”
1) [FE]I am sure you got this claim from the same sort of reliable sources you usually consult[/FE]. Reality check:
http://www.annenbergfoundation.org/about/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annenberg_Foundation
Funny, I don’t see anything about being left wing liars. Considering that you routinely pass on discredited information without doing the most basic checking first, your evaluations are laughable. And I am being kind.
2) As I have said before, Factcheck is relentlessly non-partisan. It is obvious you didn’t check out the links I posted. The other was a critical analysis on the Obama speech. Really, Boxlock, what is it with you just reacting without checking anything out, or posting unsubstantiated nonsense without actually checking it out first. You, sir, are like the black knight from Monty Python, demanding that your cowardly opponent return to finish the fight after cutting off your limbs.
And finally, the lazy and empty ad hominems. You know, some of us have learned how to argue and debate since fighting over balls in the playground.
“Hey Agnatha,
“Are you shaking and sweating a little with this little lady Palin all over your worthless candidate?
“Kinda funny to see you squirm.”
Now we have projection. Listen child (no matter your chronological age, you have obviously not learned the art of adult discussion), you obviously didn’t read the links I posted, so why do you propose to know what I am thinking. Actually, I have indicated several times my belief that, politically at least, the selection of Sarah Palin was smart, and it will remain smart as long as she restrains her more coalition Christian conservative impulses (and I have seen no indication that she lacks the intelligence or self control to do this). Policy wise, I have a different opinion of McCain’s choice, and I will go into this another time. Suffice it to say, I do not see evidence of McCain putting “Country first” before his ambition in THIS choice.
As for how this election turns out, what happens is what happens.
You and people like you are still a liability to your declared side.
That is a fact.
Sarah Palin has not been at all forthcoming Boxlock.
My post as to the books she would ban was clearly announced as based on what I could find.
The candidate remains silent. But we DO now know that Sarah Palin asked a librarian if she would be ok removing books from a library. When the librarian resisted this she was threatened with termination from her job.
Actually, the open ended nature of her question to the librarian is MORE troubling than if there were a list of books to be banned.
Would Sarah Palin, as mayor of the town have made this an ongoing practice? Would any new book obtained by the library have been shelved or banned on her thumbs up or down? Perhaps the librarian would have been forced to go through Sarah Palin’s approval on ANY material to be placed in the library.
She was clearly eager to exercise literary choice for the library of an entire town. SURELY she will want to explain further.
BlueJay
Posted September 5, 2008 at 12:26 am | Permalink
Sarah Palin is being hidden from the press.
SO it is up to bloggers to vet her.
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Bloggers? Vet? Bwahahahahahahahah!
Oh, and screw the left wing piranha, no ethics press. They do not want to learn, only to destroy. Sort of like left wing bloggers, but with real influence.
Where is the pit bull with lipstick outlander?
Sarah Palin can defend herself and I certainly invite her to.
IF she won’t? I am sure there are folks who will help voters better know her.
She already HAS you outlander. But you of course know that your rather fringe vote and that of those like you is WAY outside the mainstream in this country.
Actually pit bulls attack. They don’t have to defend themselves as the aggressor.
The blogs only exist as they shoot first, ask questions later. They write editorials as fact. There is no research and they are not credible (on either side of the fence.).
‘Lies, damned lies, and energy politics
In her big speech, Palin repeats the GOP’s big energy lie — plus three other energy lies‘
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/4/122931/0114
“Actually pit bulls attack. They don’t have to defend themselves as the aggressor.”
From that confusing post I gather you refer to Sarah Palin?
Fine, let her attack. Hell let her come out of hiding at least.
It’s a shame that the liberal(sic) MSM does not give the facts below more widespread coverage.
Very well said!
‘Sarah Palin’s record on environment is abysmal‘
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/377955_palinenvir07.html
I completely loved bumping into your blog post…