It’s troubling how Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin went from welcoming an inquiry into her firing of the state’s public safety commissioner (“Hold me accountable. . . . I don’t have anything to hide,” she said just weeks ago) to stonewalling the probe as partisan. The legislative committee that authorized the inquiry consisted of four Democrats and 10 Republicans, and many Republicans still support the investigation into whether Palin abused her power to try to engineer the firing of her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper. Palin’s nomination as John McCain’s running mate does not give her a pass on the rule of law. The Alaska Legislature needs to enforce the subpoenas requiring her husband and executive aides to testify.
The more we hear about the supposedly populist Palin administration, by the way, the more it sounds like the secretive Bush White House squared.
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FLIP
FLOP
Yawn,
They ain’t got nothing.
If they did, it would already be out there.
If there was nothing, the investigation would proceed post haste.
What the committee investigating should do, is say you have the opportunity to present your side, if you decline we will move forward and make our decision on what is presented.
If you have a trial, and decide you don’t want to participate, that doesn’t put the trial on hold.
I suppose if Palin SUPPORTED tasering of 10-year-olds, then we’d have that investigated too.
Say Mr. Holman, when did you stop beating your wife?
(Didn’t she listen?)
This whole deal is again a ploy to take peoples minds off the fact that the DimLib candidate has no experience or preparation for the office he is running for and shift it to Palin.
Who’s got them peeing in their pants.
‘Palin’s Anti-Rape-Investigation Stance Raised by McCain Campaign. Will Reporters Question?‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/palins-anti-rape-investig_b_126763.html
Also read Mary Mapes post, link at above page.
‘Exclusive: New Doubts Over Palin’s Troopergate Claims
Internal Government Document Contradicts Sarah Palin, Campaign ‘
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5844710&page=1
Palin was a shooting star (literally), but she’s burned out.
She just doesn’t want to use her ” I fired him because he wanted to get money to prosecute/persue rape cases’ defense.
Can you blame her?
Gee…what a monumental surprise…an Eagle negative commentary on Palin. surprise, surprise, surprise.
You can’t post anything truthful about palin without it being a negative.
Unless you just printed her talking points, and we’ve all heard them repeatedly.
The truth has a palin negative bias.
Raptor posted September 22, 2008 at 1:34 pm
“Gee…what a monumental surprise…an Eagle negative commentary on Palin. surprise, surprise, surprise.”
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Raptor,
Post something “positive” about someone who says “Hold me accountable. . . . I don’t have anything to hide” — and then has everyone around her, and herself ignoring subpoenas and stonewalling.
The ‘crat are disappointed because now the investigation report won’t be coming out a week before the election like the Dem heading it up wanted.
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Palin Fired a Wife Beater in ‘Troopergate’
Democrats pushing “Troopergate” are getting closer and closer to defending the records of two abusive men who have threatened family members and on occasion taken violent action towards them.
Alaska’s former Public Safety Commisioner Walt Monegan and state trooper Mike Wooten both have a distrubing history of abuse. Monegan, of course, is the man who Democrats believe GOP vice presidential contender Sarah Palin improperly fired as Alaskan Governor and who is at the center of their controversial “Troopergate” inquiry. Wooten is Palin’s former brother-in-law who Democrats think Palin unethically pressured Monegan to terminate.
Via the San Francisco Chronicle Monegan admitted dislocating his wife’s shoulder “by accident” by “wrestling and tickling” her. His estranged wife, Georgene Moldovan, tells another story.
Moldovan sought a restraining order against him in 1994 after he threatened to kill her, waved a gun at her and knocked her shoulder out of socket, according to court papers. The court papers say: “he pulled out his gun and waved it at me outside my home and yelled he would kill me if I stopped him.”
Moldovan told the SF Chronicle that Monegan “would show up unannounced and break into my apartment and do threatening things. I was forced to get a restraining order because I was really fearful he was going to harm me.” She said he also threatened to throw her body into a cold, Alaskan river.
Monegan, for his part, said his ex-wife was telling “either half-truths or pure fabrications.”
Governor Palin fired Monegan earlier this year for insubordination. Democrats have accused Palin of “abusing her power” in firing Monegan, who was a political appointee. The Alaskan legislature is now leading an ethics investigation to determine if Palin improperly fired Monegan.
Palin’s foes say Palin really fired Monegan over his refusal to terminate trooper Wooten, not for his insubordination. Wooten recently ended a bitter marriage with Palin’s sister, Molly.
Like Monegan, Wooten has a violent history with family members. He’s admitted to “tasering” his stepson and has been accused of threatening to kill his former father-in-law, Palin’s dad.
http://townhall.com/blog/g/bcd9ee89-b16e-40ec-948f-d2dab47baf2e
What the committee investigating should do, is say you have the opportunity to present your side, if you decline we will move forward and make our decision on what is presented.
I’ve heard the committe does plan to move forward, using the testimonies they already have and the information. The announcement of the findings should be made sometime in mid to late October, before the U.S. general election.
McCain, Palin, and the Republican bigwigs haven’t silenced everyone. Many of the people in Alaska aren’t happy with the “Feds” in the form of the Republican party trying to take over their state. It’s still an Alaska State issue, and that’s how they want to keep it.
If she has nothing to hide … then why the flip-flop now?
outlander – IF what your rightie source claims is true then why does she refuse to back it up?
I don’t have anything to hide,” she said just weeks ago) to stonewalling the probe as partisan.
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Well, a little thing happened in the interim. She was named VP candidate.
Now with the ‘crat lie machine cranked and since truth has little to do with what is being alleged by the liberals, it would be stupid to go forward at this time. It could potentially unfairly affect the election. Let them eat silence.
Has the investigation been moved out of local (state)jurisdiction? Nothing has changed. Repubs. still hold the majority on the authorizing committee.
The only thing that has changed is more scrutinization, and national attention.
outlander
Posted September 22, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
Now with the ‘crat lie machine cranked and since truth has little to do with what is being alleged by the liberals, it would be stupid to go forward at this time. It could potentially unfairly affect the election. Let them eat silence.
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You mean kinda like the ‘publican lie machines have been turning out about Obama? Funny how what goes around, comes around, isn’t it?
Reminds me of bush, ‘if anyone in my administration had anything to do with the leak, I’ll fire them’, then “if anyone in my administration is convicted of a crime, I’ll fire them’, then ‘ today I’ve commuted Libby’s conviction’.
Same,same.
Yeah, all that lying is great Walker.
How’s your golf game?
outlander
Posted September 22, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink
Yeah, all that lying is great Walker.
How’s your golf game?
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Better than yours!
outlander posted September 22, 2008 at 1:43 pm
“Governor Palin fired Monegan earlier this year for insubordination.”
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Okay. . .
‘Palin’s Anti-Rape-Investigation Stance Raised by McCain Campaign. Will Reporters Question?‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/palins-anti-rape-investig_b_126763.html
And now, today, in an attempt to say that the firing of former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was not due to his refusing to fire Palin’s ex-brother-in-law, the McCain campaign actually tells the AP, “The last straw, the McCain campaign said, was in July, when Monegan planned to travel to Washington to seek federal money for a plan to assign troopers, judges and prosecutors who could exclusively handle sexual assault cases — one of the state’s most intractable crime problems.”
The McCain campaign paints this as a process story – that Monegan was going to DC to get money to prosecute rape, when the Governor didn’t OK that request. I’d say it raises a huge question. Why is it that the Governor of the state with the highest per capita rate of forcible rape, who requested hundreds of billions in earmarks, not want to fight for Federal dollars to help law enforcement in the state investigate and prosecute rape?
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Not to mention that Sarah Palin thinks it’s okay to charge rape victims to collect forensics evidence for their rape case.
Hmmm… sounds pretty confident. But odds are doubtful he is less than a five handicap.
Wanna try to prove it, big guy?
cosmos – didn’t you get the memo? They bring it on themselves!
/sarcasm off
Palin’s supposed Email Hack was staged…
If you saw the screen shots, there isn’t a single SPAM anywhere in there… Not a single email claiming to increase her size or offer for a fake Rolex.
The “Geek” community has set forth trying to show it… I think it would be extremely funny if we come to find out that the screen shots actually came from a campaign worker…
Palin has been treated so fairly by the MSM I am sure she just can’t wait to give them more fuel for their fire. Kay Bailey Hutchins (R-Tx)was called to court a few weeks before her first election. She won anyway. Guess what – the whole things was dropped right after the election.
It is a politically motivated sham. We have a wife beater and a rogue cop who tazed his stepson and threatened his father-in-law. The dems are the compassionates among us but they now want to get Palin so baddly they will embrace these stalwart examples of humanity.
And while we are on the subject. The SNL skit was undefenseable. Lets start a joke about Obama ‘doing his daughters’. Afterall it is just a joke.
You dems have sunk to a new low and I didn’t think it could be done.
Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1222112499-Dwc+BZ9j3f4C38A/ykPnOA
P.S. NYT details the extent to which the guv loves secrecy, cronyism, and political payback.
As Rachel Maddow pointed out, she would be the perfect replacement for Dick Cheney!
okobserver, it is your position that a state investigation begun in Alaska by a Republican controlled legislature some time before most of us in the rest of the country could recognize the name “Sarah Palin” is a politically motivated sham, with at least an inference that the national Democratic party is involved in the same?
“We have a wife beater and a rogue cop”
Any evidence for that? Or just Palin’s claim?
“We have a wife beater and a rogue cop”
Even if it was indisputably true, anyone of even normal intelligence know it’s irrelevant.
rage, I disagree. IF it can be proved that he was that THEN perhaps the firing would have been appropriate. BUT – why does McCain refuse to allow Palin to defend her actions?
outlander
Posted September 22, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
Now with the ‘crat lie machine cranked and since truth has little to do with what is being alleged by the liberals, it would be stupid to go forward at this time. It could potentially unfairly affect the election. Let them eat silence.
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You could say that about any investigation at any time. If McCain/Palin are elected, then by that argument there can be no investigation, no subpoenas, and no accountability for anything.
Yeah, SFreader, ask the late Spiro Agnew how that worked out for him.
They ain’t got nothing.
rage, I disagree. IF it can be proved that he was that THEN perhaps the firing would have been appropriate.
How so, Ben? Remember: the guy who got fired wasn’t even the trooper’s boss–he was the head of the agency. An investigated was concluded, the officer was disciplined, the matter was closed.
Walt Monagan says he was pressured to find some way to get rid of the trooper anyway, and thinks that’s why he was fired. Palin denied the pressuring until proof to the contrary emerged, and maintains Monegan was fired for other reasons.
The only issues are whether Palin improperly used her office for a personal vendetta, and whether Monegan was fired for refusing to game the system to get rid of Wooten.
Whether Wooten is an angel or the spawn of Satan is irrelevant, unless one concludes that the end (i.e. pressuring an official to take an illegal action, and firing him when he didn’t) justifies the means.
Had Monegan played along he might very well have been subject to legal action himself.
Does the double negative “ain’t got nothing”, mean there is something – perhaps many somethings? Perhaps, you be the judge:
http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/moo/index.html?ref=opinion
Before anyone dismisses this as a blog, point out where the information presented is not factual. Thank you.
The NYT link I gave lays out the degree to which Ms. Palin viewed every office she’s held as her and Todd’s personal fiefdom (and the fact that Mr. Palin has never been a government employee seems not to matter).
Why does Sarah Palin love rapist, and want to protect them?
That would make a nice commercial. “She fired the head of the State troopers, because he wanted to get earmarks to prosecute rape cases, when higher priority earmarks were in process”
Here is my question to the Republicans in the crowd, do you actually think that Palin with her
credentials is qualified to be president? You scream
about Obama’s lack of experience and yet you support Palin. I watched the ABC interview and also
the Fox interview and she was very far from impressive. Reform, Reform, maverick maverick etc etc absolutely no substance away from her talking points, I also saw her at a town hall and when asked
about her foreign policy experience (lack of) she
didnt even come close to answering the question. I
really want to see the debates and she what see comes up with as far as answers. I mean I now hate to admit I voted for Bush twice and am discourgaged
by our choices we have but we certainly dont need
anyone who wants to GO down the path (WPE BUSH)WE wehave been on the last 4 years.
Phantom
Posted September 22, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink
Why does Sarah Palin love rapist, and want to protect them?
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Palin doesn’t love rapists, she just wants to protect their ability to pick out the mother of their progeny. An important distiction.
‘Palin’s Fetal Position’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-mapes/palins-fetal-position_b_126670.html
“Does she believe that giving a rape victim a “morning after” pill is committing murder? Does Palin believe that the taxpayers shouldn’t pay for this or that police shouldn’t offer this as a matter of course? Does she really believe that a woman should have to bear the child of her rapist?
We already know that’s what she would want for her daughter.”
Is SNL really going to say Obama does his daughters? Or maybe Obama does Barney Frank?
Be a great sequel to last Saturday’s show.
Did Michelle Obama really say this to Oprah?
“Candy is Dandy but Liquor is Quicker”
(While she eyeballed Oprah up and down, smiling ear to ear!)
Let them eat silence.
Kerry did that. How did that work out?
Maxi,
No, that’s an ancient Ogden Nash poem.
The following is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to get banned when she was mayor of Wasilla. This information is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla [AK] Library Board.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
Blubber by Judy Blume
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Carrie by Stephen King
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
Christine by Stephen King
Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Cujo by Stephen King
Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
Decameron by Boccaccio
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Forever by Judy Blume
Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
Have to Go by Robert Munsch
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
Impressions edited by Jack Booth
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
My House by Nikki Giovanni
My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
Night Chills by Dean Koontz
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
Prince of Tides byleberry Finn by Mark Twain
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
The Bastard by John Jakes
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
The Living Bible by William C. Bower
The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
The Shining by Stephen King
The Witches by Roald Dahl
The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff
Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth
And she said when she brought this up with the librarian that she was asking only about the *policy* on banning books….tsktsk
Sarah Palin herself stated her life is an open book so why is she now stonewalling?
The inquiry consists of four Democrats and 10 Republicans and she is crying foul? The Republicans have a majority of votes – so again, why is she stonewalling?
Perhaps because Palin knows she has lied about those emails and there are some incriminating ones?
Palin has sold herself as a true reformer out to shine the light on all those good old boys in politics. Maybe she needs to shine that light on herself and her husband and see exactly what the light shows?
Sarah Palin has had her 15 minutes of fame. It’s too bad McCain did not choose some other prominent Republican woman to run with him. But I suspect all the qualified Republican women turned him down because they don’t want to be with him.
Wow Jed, you truly are a mindless wonder! That has been proven false many times. Some of those books weren’t even published yet!
rage – I was just trying to give Palin the benefit of the doubt. So, IF the claims are true then probably the trooper should have been fired. HOWEVER – the evidence suggets that the whole thing was a family vendetta.
Jed, check it out-
http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp
But you already knew it was a false rumor, eh.
Baloney Jed. An internet myth.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp
More evidence as to why an investigation could never be fairly undertaken in this politically charged atmosphere where folks like Jed just post whatever crap they read without regard to truth.
In a lot of liberals minds, the end justifies the means.
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outlander
Posted September 22, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink
Hmmm… sounds pretty confident. But odds are doubtful he is less than a five handicap.
Wanna try to prove it, big guy?
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Prove it? probably not. Not too long ago, I was a strong six. Now, after two rotator cuff surgeries, I’m a weak 18. But I still have fun playing:-)
But she would have tried to get those books banned, had she been mayor at the time they were published. That’s a proven fact.
beber
Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
But she would have tried to get those books banned, had she been mayor at the time they were published. That’s a proven fact.
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How so?
I know a few other golfers who have had rotator cuff surgery. It definitely limits them. But it doesn’t stop them either. That, or something else will eventually happen to all of us.
The important thing is having the game to love.
Did you watch the Ryder Cup matches? Great stuff!
In some ways, I think it was better not to have Tiger there because they knew they couldn’t rely on him.
outlander posted September 22, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I don’t have anything to hide,” she said just weeks ago) to stonewalling the probe as partisan.
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Well, a little thing happened in the interim. She was named VP candidate.
Now with the ‘crat lie machine cranked and since truth has little to do with what is being alleged by the liberals, it would be stupid to go forward at this time. It could potentially unfairly affect the election. Let them eat silence.
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Investigations are based on facts.
A more plausible explanation:
Before she was named VP candidate, she thought that the investigation would be local, friendly, low-key, and sloppy, allowing her to be cleared.
After being named VP candidate, she (and McCain) realized that the scrutiny would be intense.
After being named VP candidate, she (and McCain) realized that the evidence would be fabricated.
outlander posted September 22, 2008 at 4:34 pm
“In a lot of liberals minds, the end justifies the means.”
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You mean like Sarah Palin LYING about how only a little 2,000-acre “plot” would be opened to drilling in the Arctic Refuge?
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outlander
Posted September 22, 2008 at 4:43 pm | Permalink
I know a few other golfers who have had rotator cuff surgery. It definitely limits them. But it doesn’t stop them either. That, or something else will eventually happen to all of us.
The important thing is having the game to love.
Did you watch the Ryder Cup matches? Great stuff!
In some ways, I think it was better not to have Tiger there because they knew they couldn’t rely on him.
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Ya, greatest Ryder cup yet. BOO S A was awesome, as was Kim. How about the Kentucky duo? They all contributed. Real team play for a change. Azinger for next cap as well!!!
More evidence as to why an investigation could never be fairly undertaken in this politically charged atmosphere where folks like Jed just post whatever crap they read without regard to truth.
I somehow doubt the official investigator or legislative committee will be paying any attention to Internet chatter.
Bth what part of ‘they admitted to these things’ did you not get. Now of course Monnegan was just ‘wrestling and tickling’ his wife and just happened to dislocate her shoulder. She has a restraining order against him. He didn’t say she lied only that she told ‘half truths’. Most adult couples wrestle until one of them dislocate body parts, right?
As for Wooten he claimed that the stepson wanted to be tazed. Tasers are serious weapons and people have died from their use. You are telling me that even if he didn’t do this maliciously he should still be a policeman. He was also caught drinking on the job.
Do you hate Sarah Palin so much that you would want this man in office and this officer protecting you?
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VT it is my position that Alaska had a corrupt government and Sarah Palin came in to clean it up. She stepped on some toes in her own party and made some enemies. She has told us this. The people in Alaska believe her because they see the difference in their state. Over 80% of them gave her their vote of confidence. And so yes I do think it is political.
RFL posted September 22, 2008 at 4:50 pm
“After being named VP candidate, she (and McCain) realized that the evidence would be fabricated.”
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So people are going to give false testimony? Government documents have been altered, and/or forged? Your proof of that is. . . ?
From the NYT article I linked earlier:
The new mayor also tended carefully to her evangelical base. She appointed a pastor to the town planning board. And she began to eye the library. For years, social conservatives had pressed the library director to remove books they considered immoral.
“People would bring books back censored,” recalled former Mayor John Stein, Ms. Palin’s predecessor. “Pages would get marked up or torn out.”
Witnesses and contemporary news accounts say Ms. Palin asked the librarian about removing books from the shelves. The McCain-Palin presidential campaign says Ms. Palin never advocated censorship.
But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.
“Sarah said she didn’t need to read that stuff,” Ms. Chase said. “It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn’t even read it.”
“I’m still proud of Sarah,” she added, “but she scares the bejeebers out of me.”
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Presumably, there should be other witnesses who could confirm or refute that version of events. . .
Rage how many times and how many ways will this story be presented. It has been disproved over and over again. No books were removed. I have read articles quoting the librarian and she was never asked to remove books. So now we are reading minds saying Palin would have asked to have these books removed you say. Where is your proof. Her actions don’t show that anything wrong was done.
Does the left just think they can say anything and the other dims will say, me too, me too. Guys you are starting to look really needy. Show some backbone and buck the wave of viciousness that is defining the demos.
Monegan denounced the allegations as “either half-truths or pure fabrications.” He points out that Moldovan made her accusations in the midst of a bitter fight over who would get the couple’s daughters.
If any of the allegations had been documented, he said, he would have been fired from his Anchorage police job and never been hired by Palin as Alaska’s top cop in 2006.
From the SF Chronicle article ( townhall.com’s source).
Once again, Palin never mentioned any of these things as a reason to fire Monegan. This is simply more misdirection.
Where is your proof.
Of what?
The “proof” of what I posted above, as I stated as clearly as it could be stated, is the statements of Ms. Case and Mr. Stein, quoted in the New York Times. You may consider them liars if you wish, but they were there and you weren’t.
As I also previously stated, the other city council members from 1995 should be able to weigh in on the matter if they wish.
What we do have, in this instance, is several independent witnesses (John Stein, Laura Chase, Ann Kilkenny, Paul Stuart and, apparently, Mary Ellen Baker) of whatever stripe, indicating at least that Ms. Palin might have expressed some discomfort with some of the books in the Wasilla Public Library. You are free to question their motives if you like. But considering some of the other revelations about her church and governing style, that’s not a particularly earth-shaking deduction.
Let me put this in perspective: It’s the silly season. All this nonsense concerning Palin, McCain, Biden and Obama means nada. The main issues are being pushed off stage by both parties in a blatant attempt to keep from discussing those same main issues.
For instance, the bit about Obama not being a US citizen. The man is running for the president of the United States. Does anyone think for one minute he has not been checked out by the FBI, CIA, PTA, PGA and any other initialed outfit? If he wasn’t a citizen, he would not be running for that very reason . . . silly season.
I believe this whole Palin nonsense amounts to the same thing. If I don’t like her, it won’t be because of any of that, but her stance on the important issues, her past record as a politician and her religious stance.
If it turns out there is something to her current predicament, it will come out. Until then, in this country, a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty.
How about we discuss something important, like her stance on the current financial mess.
How about we discuss something important, like her stance on the current financial mess.
I did my best to ignore this thread, but some of the surrealist takes did me in.
Obviously, I agree. Walt Monegan, Sarah Palin, and Mike Wooten all deserve to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
And I think the folks in Alaska have things well in hand now.
okobserver,
Try to keep up with current events.
Wooten is old news. The McCain campaign has said Palin fired Monegan for insubordination — like his wanting to get federal funds to help prosecute sexual assault cases.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/palin-administration-is-bush-squared/#comment-429891
Duh Libs don’t get it.
The more the attack Palin, the more attention she will get and the more the American Public will like her.
They will also see what’s on the other side, a bunch of mean-spirited attack scums on duh Dems side.
Keep it up Dems, you’ll guarantee a victory for McCain in November. :)
JM I can certainly agree with debating the issues. You need to look at the history of this mess and see what has allowed it to happen. It didn’t hit critical mass last week. It has been heading in that direction for years. I tried to predict this very thing many months ago when something could have actually been done.
People who didn’t qualify were allowed to buy homes with designer mortgages. Both parties were at fault. Homeownership was touted as everyones right. That just isn’t so. Some people just weren’t meant to be homeowners. Follow the money. Obama is the second largest recipent of money from Fannie and Freedie and this after only 3 years in the senate. He is second only to Dodd who has been there almost 30 years.
Palin has become a convenient target and I for one think that it has helped her. Her family has been targeted when they had nothing to do with the party ticket.
Lets more on to issues. I’m for that.
Bill Clinton speaking of Sarah Palin was quoted as saying:
“I come from Arkansas, I get why she’s hot out there,” Clinton said. “Why she’s doing well.”
Right Bill, but she is not going to be used as your little humidor. For your own welfare you might want to give that idea up.
PLAIN OLD PALIN HAS TURNED OUT TO BE A WANNABE PALLIDIN , WHAT A FREAK WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH
JMWalker,
Here’s Palin’s “stance” on oil exports.
‘Energy Expertise!’
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/09/energy-expertis.html
Today, the person who “knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America” let slip some pearls of wisdom:
“Of course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it’s Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It’s got to flow into our domestic markets first.”
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YouTube link and more at link.
I agree with Cosmos. Keep ANWR closed to drilling. Be selfish. Use other country’s oil , since we have so much money to spend. It’s not like we have a trade deficit, or a financial crisis or anything.
Of course, eventually, it will be extracted. It is inevitable. Cosmos just hates to see it happen now.
Hey Cosmos, good to see you using a source other than dailykos and huffingtonpost. We will remember your sourcing in future discussions, I’m sure.
Do you disagree with Palin’s comments? Or did it go right over your head?
If it lies like a RepubliCON, if it’s smug and arrogant like a RepubliCON, if it doesn’t know sh! t and revels in that fact, then it’s a RepubliCON.
Sarah Palin is a RepubliCON.
Everything else is just confirmation . . .
What I love about this is that since both she and Todd refuse to testify, we can be sure that it will a hot issue right through to the election . . .
Oh goody, our PDS thread O’the day.
McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis …was paid by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac several hundred thousand dollars early in this decade to head up an organization to lobby in their behalf called The Homeownership Alliance. …
I worked in government relations for Fannie Mae for more than 20 years, leading the group for most of those years. When I see photographs of Sen. McCain’s staff, it looks to me like the team of lobbyists who used to report to me.
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And what McCain did for de-regulation for Wall Street Investment Banks is what he wants to do to for health care. JOHN McCAIN, SEPTEMBER 2008: Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
If the Eagle is going to keep up with these Palin scare threads they ought to at least offer free Depends to the Lefties here. Or maybe offer some money for cleaning.
from beber
“That’s a proven fact.”
Followed by……..
nuthin.
When it comes to governing styles (ie, governing by gut instinct),
Sarah Palin = George W Bush SQUARED
Are you happy with the overall direction of the USA under the leadership of George W Bush? If so, then you’ll LOVE Sarah Palin!
A Palin presidency would be like Groundhog Day for the USA.
The last 8 years, repeated over and over again. The secrecy, the incompetence, the crony appointees, a secretive energy policy, inept regulation passed off as mere government failure, a president who’d never talk to US citizens (can you imagine at least 12 consecutive years of hand-picked audiences composed of US military servicepeople exclusively?), a part-time executive in a full-time+ job: you can see it in her, this promise of another Bush term if you look close.
Sarah Palin is so like George W Bush that it ain’t funny. I bet she hasn’t read an economics text ever, I bet she has no interest in learning about economics beyond what posturing can earn her politically, in fact I bet she NEVER reads and disdains learning. Just like George W Bush.
If there’s a god in heaven then we as a nation can move past the Bush administration and put the last sorry 8 years behind us once and for all.
Rhonda Holman give it your BEST shot! We cannot go more than a couple of days with out a I HATE PALIN thread – even one without any basis in fact.
Keep your propaganda coming there lefty!
How does it feel to be on a string?
I believe palin’s stated position on the economic crisis is ‘it needs a little shakin and fixin’, and of course that’s followed with ….GOBN….Thanks, No Thanks…
She might throw paulson out and give his job to her pta treasurer friend, or give it to the guy that does her taxes, the possibilities are unlimited.
Keep your propaganda coming there lefty!
Rhonda Holman is a lefty.
Uh huh.
Hope you got a good laugh out of that, Rhonda!
Pedant,
After your little diatribe above you really need to check your pants.
I’m betting there is a big wet spot in the front.
What are you so afraid of her for. Not for a second do I believe what you said, I think you are truly frightened of her that she is going to change this election you so thought was in the bag for your incompetent candidate.
Ops, Heckler….sorry. I didn’t read your post before mine. You already noticed Pedant’s as well as the other Lefties wet pants.
OMG, palin gave a speech today and didn’t even mention the infamous bridge to nowhere!
And, guess she’s going to wet nurse the economy!
“With thousands of supporters packing the streets and sidewalks of this massive retirement community, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin took the safe route Sunday and said she and John McCain would reform Washington, put America on the path to energy independence and nurse a struggling economy back to health.”
She may be qualified for mayor of Wasilla, but that woman is a disaster waiting to be inflicted on the USA IF McCain gets elected and croaks.
There’s a reason Fiorina singled Palin out as unfit to be even a modern American CEO. Not that McCain is fit either, or Biden.
The thing about Obama’s experience in law school, as a student and ESPECIALLY as a prof, is that his ability to read and absorb new information has been fully vetted.
After 8 years of George W Bush, I believe a little book learnin’ ability is just what the doctor ordered for the USA.
Those who are obsessed with drilling in the Arctic Wildlife National Refuge remind me of a famously clueless Reagan quote:
“A tree’s a tree. How many do you need to look at?”
Of course that was the same Reagan who about twenty years later blithely declared that most pollution comes from trees.
Perhaps if we work together we can defeat the leafy menace for once and all!
” thousands of supporters packing the streets ”
Guess that more than counters the (AP) report of “hundreds” of anti-Palin demonstrate in Alaska..
So much attention give to the VP. You must be very, very afraid.
I’m not sure about bush squared, I didn’t think it possible, but maybe bush ultra-light would be more accurate, for a little taste of issues on the campaign trail, see below.
“Greeted with cries of “We love you, Sarah,” the Alaska governor keeps her stump speech simple, starting by talking about her five children and her husband — “Alaska’s first dude, my husband Todd Palin.”
Then there are references to her much-publicized love of hunting, fishing and hockey. In Wisconsin on Thursday, she delighted the crowd by praising their state as a place “where people appreciate good hockey, good hunting, good fishing and great football.”
Palin moved her audience when speaking about her four-month-old son Trig, who has Down syndrome, calling for “an America where every child is cherished and given an opportunity.”
And she won yet more applause with a vow to back offshore oil drilling as a cure to rising gasoline prices. “Drill baby drill!” the crowd answers back.
Sporting designer glasses and dressed smartly in vivid colors, the former beauty queen presents a contrast to McCain’s somber suits and pale complexion.
You know if we read some of the posts on this thread especially Pedant, you would think that Obama is running against Palin. And losing.
Desperation has such a strong stench!
WORSE! Palin would be FAR worse than bush.
And until I got to know her, I didn’t think THAT was possible.
We need look no further than the ….people that have crawled out of the woodwork to shout her name.
This chick is the poster girl for the Christian version of the Taliban.
I don’t think I can remember the last thread which spoke negatively about Obama/Biden.
Anyone else?
Looks like the EDITORS have made their decision and will do their absolute best to be as biased as possible.
Sean Hannity was right when he said journalism died with this election.
You need not look much further than the Gibson/Obama interview compared to the Gibson/Palin interview and the Obama/View interciew vs the McCain/View interview.
The liberals in the media are not even hiding their bias anymore.
“Do you hate Sarah Palin so much that you would want this man in office and this officer protecting you?”
Of course not. And, if you read what I wrote you would kbow that. IF the charges against Wooten are (a) true and (b) justification for firing Monaghan then why is Palin afraid to come out and say so?
As for the restraining order: I don’t know about Alaska courts but I know for a fact that in Kansas nothing has to be proved – only alleged. The standard is “GUILTY until proven innocent – and maybe even after that”
Please.
Hannity didn’t interview Palin.
He sat a across from her and drooled over her every word. After which he called her.
Get this.
“Authentic”
Getting called authentic by Sean Hannity aint saying much.
“Nathaniel” shares –
“I don’t think I can remember the last thread which spoke negatively about Obama/Biden.”
Oh yeah, boy. There’s been nothing negative that’s been posted on WE Blog ever.
Sometimes I’m astounded you can remember your name.
outlander posted September 22, 2008 at 6:57 pm
“Be selfish. Use other country’s oil , since we have so much money to spend. It’s not like we have a trade deficit, or a financial crisis or anything.”
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No. . . be smart. Use the cheaper solution, higher energy efficiency, to cut oil demand, and save money instead “burning” it.
outlander “Do you disagree with Palin’s comments? Or did it go right over your head?”
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“Of course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not.”
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Oil is not a completely “fungible commodity”, because some refineries are not able to process some crudes.
Refining capacity, transport costs, and other factors affect who oil is sold to.
For example, when there was more North Slope crude than the West Coast refiners could process, it was more profitable to sell the oil to Japan and China, than transport it to other U.S. refiners.
About 1.8 millon bbls of U.S. oil are being exported daily.
And her comment about flagging the “molecules” was stupid.
The truth about Palin:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/info/kilkenny.asp
okobserver
Posted September 22, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink
You know if we read some of the posts on this thread especially Pedant, you would think that Obama is running against Palin.
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Well, funny you should write that.
If I were Obama, I would run right AT Palin. I would ignore McCain as much as humanly possible. I would be DELIGHTED to talk over McCain, straight to her, whenever and wherever possible. I would offer to debate Palin…and leave McCain uninvited. I believe that doing so would tear that ticket in half, and I think it’s there for the taking.
Oh well. Maybe some day the Dems will finally take a page out of the GOP playbook and run right at/over what the conventional wisdom deems the opponent’s greatest strength.
“Sean Hannity was right when he said journalism died with this election”
No, it died with the last 2 elections when all the neo-conservatives allowed the lies and half truths of the right wing pundits to influence their choice for president. Keep drinking the koolaid “nitwits”, it’s really been good for our country.
ABOUT SARAH PALIN
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child’s favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because she is a “babe”.
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.
She is “pro-life”. She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is
fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.
Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She’s smart.
Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.
During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative.” During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later — to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today’s surplus, borrow for needs.
She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal — loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated” her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska’s top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit, exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.
As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects — which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance — but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork.”
She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah’s mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.
Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.
There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.
However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.
CLAIM VS FACT
o “Hockey mom”: true for a few years
o “PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
p “NRA supporter”: absolutely true
o social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
o pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
o “Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation.
o “Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
o political maverick: not at all
o gutsy: absolutely!
o open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
o has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
o “a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
o fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
o pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
o pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents.
o pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla’s history.
o pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.
WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.
Secondly, I’ve always operated in the belief that “Bad things happen when good people stay silent”. Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
Third, I am just a housewife. I don’t have a job she can bump me out of. I don’t belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that’s life.
Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah’s attempt at censorship.
Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can’t recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall — they are swamped. So I can’t verify my numbers.
You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my “about 5,000″, up to 9,000. The day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.
Anne Kilkenny
August 31, 2008
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okobserver
Posted September 22, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
JM I can certainly agree with debating the issues. You need to look at the history of this mess and see what has allowed it to happen. It didn’t hit critical mass last week. It has been heading in that direction for years. I tried to predict this very thing many months ago when something could have actually been done.
People who didn’t qualify were allowed to buy homes with designer mortgages. Both parties were at fault. Homeownership was touted as everyones right. That just isn’t so. Some people just weren’t meant to be homeowners. Follow the money. Obama is the second largest recipent of money from Fannie and Freedie and this after only 3 years in the senate. He is second only to Dodd who has been there almost 30 years.
Palin has become a convenient target and I for one think that it has helped her. Her family has been targeted when they had nothing to do with the party ticket.
Lets more on to issues. I’m for that.
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That is indeed the issue. And blame does need to be placed on heads, and actions taken. But you should take a look at McCain’s staff. Phil Gramm? Didn’t he write the overturning of laws in place since the great depression, that were put in place to avoid what’s happening now?
McCain’s own statement that opening up the health care industry, like he’s done for the banking industry, really makes me wonder if he’s really for gaining control over the financial industries failings. There’s a serious flip/flop going on there that should scare people. Whether one believes in McCain’s politics or not, that requires some serious consideration. It really makes me wonder if he isn’t losing it.
And what does “Sean” think of the fact that Palin’s husband was a card carrying member of the AIP for years?
Wanna bet it never came up in the interview?
Can you imagine if Obama had joined such an organization? OMG!!
Mary_Caruso Posted September 22, 2008 at 9:07 pm
“The truth about Palin:”
http://www.snopes.com/politics/info/kilkenny.asp
Now Mary, Snopes does NOT say that is legit. It says “Multiple”, meaning some is some isn’t, which basically makes it not true.
Here you look yourself.
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Anne+Kilkenny+%2C+Palin&getit=Go&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0
Pssst! Pass the popcorn, watching these libs fall all over themselves whining about Palin is great entertainment. Shhhhhh! I know it doesn’t amount to anything, and no one is listening to these piss ants in western Kansas. But it’s funny to see the turmoil just the VP candidate is putting them in.
They are scared because the numbers are showing Obama in poor light. Acceptance of Palin will grow with the constant bombardment. The public hates the media. Heck, the media hates the media.
Just plant a few more lies, a few more half-truths, and a few more stretches, and watch which way the public polls.
Hey! Pass the soda too.
Download the “Platform of the American People” as a PDF
http://www.americansolutions.com/media/4CDF1CEC-779C-4699-A123-A8992F4D9219/a7655bbb-c71f-44d4-9743-5ca3e6b0cf37.pdf
This is worth the read!
Truth hurts, huh box?
This isn’t the only source saying these things. Why is she so scared of being investigated? What could she POSSIBLY have to hide? Things that make you go….ummmmmm.
If someone was making the same claims about Obama, you’d all be gulping it down.
crickets chirping…..AW must have choked to death on his popcorn :(
“And what does “Sean” think of the fact that Palin’s husband was a card carrying member of the AIP for years?
Wanna bet it never came up in the interview?”
Hannity did a nice dodge with that one.
He asked SARAH if SHE was part of the Alaska secessionist movement.
He did NOT ask about her husband.
I heard Palin had an affair with her husband’s business partner, has shot and killed 40 karabu in one hunt alone, hunted wolves by helicoptor, and even admits to smoking pot…sounds just like your typical Christian fundamentalist to me.
Obama cut ties with his pastor…maybe Sara will divorce her husband.
JMWalker I do think there are those with dirty hands on both side of the aisle. Boxlocks link upthread says it best. We really arent’ that far apart. Social issues are the big divide I think and no amount or arguing will change anyones mind here.
The government has to stop thinking it can be all things to all people. It can’t. If you can’t afford a house then you should be turned down. If you can’t afford a new car then make the old one last. If your family needs something make sacrifices in somethings so you can pay for it yourself instead of depending on the government.
That said I realize that there will always be people that need government or private party help. They are simply incapable of taking care of themselves. We should be encouraging the young among us to get the education or training they need to be useful contributors to society. If this means more help with tuition then so be it. At least make it something they will pay back with service or money when they have graduated. Long term student loans are prohibitive to someone that sees themselves making the big bucks right away not realizing that layoffs or medical conditions could make them unemployed.
Not all students are cut out to go to college but can become apprentices to plumbers, pipe fitters, welders, electricians, carpenters, etc…. After 4 years in the trade they can take a test and become a journeyman. The starting pay for a journeyman is over $20 an hour in most instances.
We all need to work together to encourage this in our youth and then we need to let our politicans know that ineptness just doesn’t cut it anymore.
Mary_Caruso Posted September 22, 2008 at 9:56 pm |
“I heard Palin had an affair with her husband’s business partner, has shot and killed 40 karabu in one hunt alone, hunted wolves by helicoptor, and even admits to smoking pot…sounds just like your typical Christian fundamentalist to me.”
Mary,
If you believe a tenth of what you hear from the places you are are getting that crap from you are an even bigger imbecile than I thought and I wasn’t giving you very much credit as it was.
Mccain is no more favored by the women voters than he was before naming palin. Biden will dress palin down in their debates (should be something to see!)
If I were Mccain I’d be embarrassed to be outstaged by my 2nd (I bet he secretely despises her).
Mary I don’t always agree with you but I am surprised that you continue to push these baseless accusations. Why do the dems feel that Palin is their enemy. McCain is the head of the ticket. Biden is no where to be seen. Where is he? Why is the media not covering him.
I usually look at your comments and at least admire your honestly kept beliefs even if I disagree vehemently. So I wonder why you feel you have to gig fundamentalist Christians all of the time.
“Why do the dems feel that Palin is their enemy.”
Because she is? That’s where I’m at.
She makes life choices that she would deny to others.
Sarah Palin wants to ban books for goodness sake.
That picture they have with the blog almost looks like she is giving the Nazi salute.
No – if you want to see Nazi satutes – look to HAMAS – they approve of Hussein-Obama-Bin-Biden – just as they did for Gore & Kerry
“Mary,
If you believe a tenth of what you hear from the places you are are getting that crap from you are an even bigger imbecile than I thought and I wasn’t giving you very much credit as it was.”
Just showing you how “swiftbaoting” can swing both ways….how does it feel?
Amazing how the cons can dish it out, but cry foul when it comes back to them.
“So I wonder why you feel you have to gig fundamentalist Christians all of the time.”
Because I HATE hypocrites and there are no bigger hypocrites than the Christian fundamentalists…the right wing has hijacked true Christianity and made a mockery of it. The Christian Religion I knew and loved growing up is nothing like the Christian Religion I see now..it’s mostly used as a weapon of hatred and intolerance today. All you have to do is read read this blog for examples of what I’m talking about.
Mary, you are too smart a lady to get caught up in the stupid generalizations that you have been throwing out lately.
The Christian religion that “knew and loved” (but still abandoned) is still there. It is easy to find. You have apparently chosen to put your blinders on, your fingers in your ears and shout blub blub blub blub!
People are imperfect. But they cannot change fundamental truths.
Sorry Out….but the face of Christianity has changed..it’s been hijacked and bastardized by the fundamentalists.