Sounds like self-described “dissident feminist” Camille Paglia, who supports Barack Obama and called for an Obama-Sebelius ticket, has had quite enough of the liberal assault on GOP running mate Sarah Palin: “A feminism that cannot admire the bravura under high pressure of the first woman governor of a frontier state isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit,” Paglia writes in Salon. She sees Palin as an “optimistic pragmatist like Ronald Reagan,” and says, “I don’t see her arrival as portending the end of civil liberties or life as we know it.”
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Very good. You beat me to it.
That would be lying bravura
Palin’s Ethics Scrapes May Undercut Pledge to End Old Politics Thu Sep 11, 12:01 AM ET
Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) — John McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate sent a signal that he would end business as usual and cronyism in government. Her record shows the Alaska governor engaged in some of the same practices she and McCain now condemn.
Palin’s office approved a state job for a friend and campaign aide with whom she shared a land investment, financial records and interviews over the past two weeks show. She hired a former lobbyist for a pipeline company to help oversee a multibillion-dollar deal with that same company.
She named a police chief accused of harassment to head the state police. And she sent campaign e-mails on her city hall account while serving as mayor of Wasilla — conduct for which she later turned in an oil commissioner on ethics charges.
These incidents raise “some serious questions about her judgment and serious questions about her standards of ethics in public service,” said James Thurber, director of American University’s Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies in Washington. Suggesting a real estate investment partner for a job “may be acceptable in Alaska; it would not be acceptable in Washington, D.C., a place whose norms she wants to change.”
Palin defeated an incumbent governor, a fellow Republican, in 2006 charging that her party’s old guard had committed ethical lapses and become too cozy with special interests, including oil companies. A central theme in this year’s presidential campaign has been that Palin’s record demonstrates the change a McCain administration would bring to Washington.
Recent statements by the governor may erode that claim. In her acceptance speech last week, she suggested that she opposed the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere,” a $223 million earmark for a bridge to an island where only 53 people lived.
For It, Against It
When Palin, 44, campaigned for governor, however, she said she was in favor of the bridge. In 2007, she canceled the project in the face of national outrage. The state never returned the money allocated by the federal government, with some of the funds going toward other state and local projects.
And as mayor of Wasilla, a job she held for six years until 2002, Palin hired lobbyists to get federal funding for local projects. Wasilla secured $27 million in earmarks for the town of about 9,000 that included a rail project and a youth center.
Shortly after she was elected governor, Palin’s office signed off on hiring Deborah Richter — who attended college for a year then worked in bookkeeping and finance jobs — as director of a division that distributes dividends to Alaskans from the state’s oil-wealth savings account.
Richter, who said she’s known Palin for 13 years, was Palin’s gubernatorial campaign treasurer and ran her inaugural committee.
Sharing an Investment
The Richters and Palins also shared an investment: 30 acres of rural property near a lake in Petersville, Alaska, worth $47,300, according to Matanuska-Susitna Borough data.
“It sounds like a patronage deal for someone who ran your campaign; that’s pretty normal,” said Bill Buzenberg, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity in Washington. “What’s not normal is that they have business dealings together.”
Deborah Richter gave up her share of the property last September in a divorce settlement that followed an affair with Palin’s legislative director, John Bitney. Bitney and Richter both acknowledged the affair in interviews. Bitney said Palin fired him over it; Richter is still on the job. They are now married.
Last month, Palin signed a law granting TransCanada Corp., Canada’s largest pipeline company, an exclusive state license and up to $500 million in subsidies to proceed with work on a $27 billion pipeline, which would carry natural gas from Alaska to other U.S. markets.
Once a Lobbyist
Marty Rutherford, the chief coordinator behind Palin’s pipeline effort, once worked as an Alaska lobbyist for a TransCanada pipeline subsidiary, according to state records. Rutherford, deputy commissioner at the Alaska Department of Natural Resources, earned $40,200 as a lobbyist for 10 months in 2003 working for Foothills, the subsidiary.
Rutherford said in an interview that she only did consulting work for the company, including reviewing natural gas legislation. She said the work had no bearing on her future job as coordinator of Palin’s pipeline team.
“I intended to leave state government when I went to Jade North, but as time went on I realized my heart was in government,” she said, referring to the firm she briefly worked for.
Palin told the Anchorage Daily News last December that Rutherford’s work with Foothills wasn’t a conflict because it had been five years earlier.
Trooper Investigation
The governor already has triggered an investigation by the Alaska legislature into whether she fired the state commissioner of public safety, Walt Monegan, for not removing a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce from Palin’s sister.
Palin has denied exerting any pressure on Monegan and said she dismissed him because she wanted to take the department in a new direction.
Since McCain picked Palin, seven Palin aides have declined to be interviewed on the matter by an investigator hired by the Alaska legislature, according to the House and Senate Judiciary committees.
Earlier this year, Palin found herself apologizing for her handling of Monegan’s replacement. About six weeks before she learned McCain wanted her to be his vice president, she named Kenai, Alaska, police chief Charles Kopp to replace Monegan.
On July 25, two weeks after being appointed, Kopp resigned amid scrutiny over a 2005 sexual-harassment complaint against him while he was chief in Kenai. The complaint resulted in a letter of reprimand from the city, which Palin told reporters she never knew about and had believed that the allegations were unsubstantiated, according to the Anchorage Daily News.
Not a Harasser
In a July press conference, Kopp denied any harassment. “I’ve always done every job I’ve ever done with honor and integrity,” he said. “There is one thing I am not. I am not a sex harasser.” Attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.
The moment that crystallized her image as a reformer came when she turned in state Republican chairman Randy Ruedrich after discovering he was using his state e-mail account to conduct party business.
Palin and Ruedrich were serving together as commissioners on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, a state regulatory agency, at the time. Ruedrich resigned from the commission in November 2003, and was later fined $12,000, according to a 2004 article in the Anchorage Daily News.
In 2006, Palin found herself asking forgiveness for a similar offense from her past, according to a July 28, 2006, article in the Anchorage Daily News. She had sent campaign e- mails from her Wasilla mayor’s office in 2002, when she made an unsuccessful run for lieutenant governor.
“For any mistakes like that (were) made, I apologize,” Palin said of the e-mail controversy in July 2006, according to the Anchorage Daily News.
For Related News: For news on the election: STNI ELEC2008 For news on McCain: BIO JOHN S MCCAIN For news on Palin: BIO SARAH LOUISE PALIN
Does anyone know what’s happened to Joe Biden?
Has anyone seen him lately?
Is he still in this campaign?
Obama spends all his time taking about Sarah Palin and not about Biden.
Has Obama replaced him yet?
The jackals are all over Alaska trying to find anybody that doesn’t like Palin and digging to try and find dirt but they are coming up instead with overwhelming approval.
Palin is NO feminist.
She is a proud man toy. She may even be so good at it that her husband was not enough to keep her fulfilled.
Her desire to thy husband not enough, well she may have felt the need, to fill the needs,
of her husband’s best friend.
Notice how the blog scum, that being BlueJay, makes these baseless accusations, and provides NO supporting anything.
BJ, you are ridiculous and getting worse.
I am becoming convinced you have some severe mental problem, other than just liberalism.
Regarding Camille Paglia I have not been much a fan of hers but I have to admire her honesty.
The feminist of this country have only been willing to stand up for the liberals. They talk the talk but do not walk the walk.
Camille showed class in truly standing up for women.
I posted the link to Camille Paglia’s full article on another thread yesterday but for those interested here it is again.
This liberal will at least think and reason
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/09/10/palin/index.html
How very ironic and sad that women who are for the progress of women would have to speak up for a woman who with her very fame would march women’s rights backward 50 years.
B.J.
“march women’s rights backward 50 years.”
explain please. How so?
would march women’s rights backward 50 years.
She is a proud man toy. She may even be so good at it that her husband was not enough to keep her fulfilled.
BlueJay
Can you back any of this up or are you just lying again?
Sol
It’s kind of pointless to talk to B.J. about lying. He, like several other of the kook left fringe on this blog, have a different definition for the word than most rational people.
Evidence and/or proof seem not to matter either.
Sol
” Evidence and/or proof seem not to matter either.”
That depends on who’s being accused of lying.
I have never lied here solie.
The same source that you so enjoyed watching take down John Edwards SAYS and maintains that Sarah Palin had an affair with her husband’s best friend.
As to marching womens’ rights backwards.
Sarah Palin is against the right to choice even in the case of rape.
lol.
Rodger that
…of course B.J.’s standard for “proof” and “evidence” are somewhat foggy as well…
Bush is pro-life too. Had a republican lead congress and conservative SCOTUS. Has abortion changed? Guess not. So you are lying.
The Edward’s story was true. He admitted it.
That paper also claims that Elvis is alive in Florida. That aliens impregnated Arkansas women.
So I am guessing you buy that too?
Of course not.
Lies number two. Going for three?
Whoops, you already did… I have never lied here solie.
B.J.
“Sarah Palin is against the right to choice even in the case of rape.”
By “choice” I assume you mean abortion. Guess what Boy Jay, there are a lot of women in this country who don’t like abortion either, particularly in the third trimester.
What you should have said was this-
‘would march Left Wing women’s rights backward 50 years’
Well let’s just get you on record solie.
Are YOU in favor of forcing a raped woman to carry impregnation to term?
Just so we know where you are coming from.
You may answer the question also Heckler.
“there are a lot of women in this country who don’t like abortion either, particularly in the third trimester.”
Old distraction.
Abortions after 5 months account for less than 2 % of all instances. Third trimester instances are less than 2 tenths of 1%.
B.J.
“Are YOU in favor of forcing a raped woman to carry impregnation to term?”
No. Not as long as the rape is reported as such in an official police report. And not as long it is done prior to the third trimester.
B.J.
“Abortions after 5 months account for less than 2 % of all instances”
And what percentage of Tillers business consists of these?
“No. Not as long as the rape is reported as such in an official police report. And not as long it is done prior to the third trimester.”
Oh ok. A woman impregnated by violent personal assault can choose.
IF she meets hecklers guidelines.
Are YOU in favor of forcing a raped woman to carry impregnation to term?
I’m not running for office.
Here is a question for you BlueJay, do you support killing a baby after it has been born and taken its first breath?
“I’m not running for office. ”
Your dodge is noted. It is so much easier than answering isn’t it?
“do you support killing a baby after it has been born and taken its first breath?”
Of course not. When does this happen?
Paglia’s article, which was the supposed topic of this entry, is fascinating. First time I’ve ever seen a pro-choice advocate concede the moral and ethical high ground to pro-lifers. Paglia accepts that abortion, all abortion, is murder and she’s okay with that. Until pro-choicers accept this simple and undeniable truth, they will never have any basis for arguing their point on the issue. I disagree with Paglia on nearly 100% of her views, but in this article she was spot on. Just because Palin does not embrace the ideology of the Steinham-led feminist movement, does not mean her accomplishments, her meteoric rise, and the potential of her becoming the first female VP should not be seen as a huge, indeed monumental, moment for the women’s movement. Depending on how the next 5 weeks pan out, Palin has the chance to open the door for a whole new breed of feminists. That should be exciting to all women.
Palin to rape victime: “PAY UP!”
“Under Palin, Wasilla charged rape victims for exam
Eight years ago, complaints about charging rape victims for medical exams in Wasilla prompted the Alaska Legislature to pass a bill — signed into law by Knowles — that banned the practice statewide.
“There was one town in Alaska that was charging victims for this, and that was Wasilla,” Knowles said”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/52266.html
Bluejay,
Google Infanticide and see how many headers have Obama in them.
Here is the Wiki if you are confused.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
Have to give Palin credit for knowing the women really just wondered ‘where is that marvelous ape’, and weren’t really victimized.
If you’re female,is it feminist to ask for a pay cut when you get a man’s job?
Phantom,
Define “a man’s job”
Define why that remark is not sexist.
And no, it is physically responsible.
“Bluejay,
Google Infanticide ”
Yes, yes I am familiar with the latest right wing shock word.
You have asserted that babies born and having taken their first breath are being killed. That is the sort of thing you explain yourself rather than send me a link.
I’ll be back later to see your final take solie on whether a raped woman should be forced to carry a resulting impregnation to term. EXTRA points if you tell me just how it is that would be done.
Don’t need nor want your points bluejay. The topic is infanticide, Obama’s support of it, and McCain’s disdain of the practice.
Since the candidate of your party supports killing live babies, you resort to my personal opinion on the subject. This is moot as we are discussing the primary office of this country.
That is the sort of thing you explain yourself rather than send me a link.
You have asserted that babies born and having taken their first breath are being killed.
From the above it would seem you have a grasp on the concept. If the terms above (your own words) confuse you, let me know. Maybe we can find a picture book for you.
“Since the candidate of your party supports killing live babies,”
An absolute lie.
There is no instance that you can cite of “killing live babies”.
And I will not entertain your distraction further until you answer my original question.
Do you solie, believe that a raped woman should be forced to carry an impregnation result to term? If so, how would you enforce that?
My opinion is moot. It has zero impact on what the two possible leaders of our nation support. This is your little game bluejay. Not playing it.
Here is a link JR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW0uj8×8BJw
Bluejay,
The majority of the nation seems to agree…
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/21/hot-seat-infanticide-obama/
Gov. Palin read a speech , via TelePrompTer, presumedly written by a professional writer, in a controlled environment. How can anyone be surprised that it went over well; that was what it was scripted to do. And since then, she hasn’t said anything that wasn’t part of that pre-planned package; again, no surprise there.
What comes later will tell the tale. Personally, if it comes to confronting Vladimir Putin , I’d prefer Sen. Biden to Gov. Palin.
“Google Infanticide and see how many headers have Obama in them”
Sol - just because people have posted CLAIMS that Obama supports infanticide does not make it true.
More on infanticide bluejay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kdWN5WllGc&feature=related
But Obama’s record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion — a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called “too close to infanticide.” Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be “punished with a baby” because of a crisis pregnancy — hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html
I find it interesting that not only does Palin want to require rape victims to carry the rapist’s baby to term but she also wants them to pay for post-rape medical exams. I guess she is of the camp that believe rape victims ‘ask for it’
In this version, Obama finally acknowledges that the bill he shot down as committee chair had the neutrality clause, but now he voted against it because it would have had some deleterious effect on abortion law. As the NRLC points out to Berman, that’s flat-out untrue. The neutrality clause Obama now acknowledge existed in the law explicitly stated that the law had no intent on affecting abortions in which the fetus did not survive; that was the entire point of the neutrality clause. Even without it, in the language of the original bill, the law clearlt stated that it only applied to infants born alive.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/18/team-obama-acknowledges-infanticide-lie/
How about a job that hasn’t been held by a woman for a definition.
The event that forced the Obama camp’s hand was a new push by the National Right to Life Committee. Late last week, the group announced that it had obtained details of a 2003 committee vote that contradicted Obama’s past explanation for his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act while serving in the State Senate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/20/obama-infanticide-smear-g_n_120138.html
BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote and by an overwhelming majority in the House. President Bush signed the bill into law in 2002.
Stanek wrote that, “in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.”
“Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women’s rights or abortionists’ rights. Obama’s clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed.”
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=11799
You all would be screaming bloody murder if Sebelius had pulled down 43,000 in per diem/travel expenses.
There wasn’t any question about what was happening. The abortions were going wrong. The babies weren’t cooperating. They wouldn’t die as planned. Or, as Illinois state senator Barack Obama so touchingly put it, there was “movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just coming out limp and dead.”
No, Senator. They wouldn’t go along with the program. They wouldn’t just come out limp and dead.
They were coming out alive. Born alive. Babies. Vulnerable human beings Obama, in his detached pomposity, might otherwise include among “the least of my brothers.” But of course, an abortion extremist can’t very well be invoking Saint Matthew, can he? So, for Obama, the shunning of these least of our brothers and sisters — millions of them — is somehow not among America’s greatest moral failings.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzRhZTgzNmRlZWE0MTA1YTM4NWMxN2UxMjA5YjBkZTE=
Obama’s 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59702
How about a job that hasn’t been held by a woman for a definition.
Welcome back to the 1950’s Phantom. Be careful, bluejay will be on the attack.
It seems more than a bit cloying for the former Miss Congeniality, now that her bust has sagged under the weight of five kids, to have found that wiggling her ass doesn’t suffice anymore; she needs feminism to stay politically viable. The republican party had better watch out- saccharine is known to cause cancer in rats!
Well, let me see….
“NFL Quarterback” — Okay, no woman has ever held that job. (Joe Montana doesn’t count.) But even if you throw like a girl you might get a chance if you can get into the end zone.
I’ve known some female firefighters and, since I’m a scrawny guy, I’d bet any of ‘em could take me in a fight.
Frankly, I can’t think of any “man’s job” that a female could not do. Theoretically, anyway.
Perhaps you CONs can clue me in.
Perhaps you CONs can clue me in.
Isn’t the conservatives. It is Phantom. Have him help you out.
Phant,
Do keep in mind that Kansas isn’t Alaska (thank god) where it wouldn’t be at all difficult to go through $43K in travel expenses without even leaving the state.
I like it that John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) used to brag that he “…was never voted ‘Miss Congeniality’ in the Senate,” as part of his “maverick” image. Then he goes out and selects the Moose-Dresser (who was “Miss Congeniality” in that long-ago Miss Alaska contest.
I wonder what her “Talent” was in that pageant.
I think the answer would amuse.
;^)
And in his first post-convention campaign appearance without the Moose-Dresser, McCoot was shouted off the stage.
And the more we learn about the Republic Party’s Vice-Presidential candidate, the more she comes up lacking in the “presidential” area but seems to have been really good at “vice.”
Monk,
“Frankly, I can’t think of any “man’s job” that a female could not do. Theoretically, anyway.”
There are however some several “women’s jobs” that no man in his right mind would consider, or could handle, even theoretically.
but seems to have been really good at “vice.”
And you base this on…???
No matter who Palin is, and what her record is, she is being coached, trained, and packaged by the same people that got us 8 years of bush / cheney.
Remember bush / cheney who got us into a 10 trillion dollar war of choice, a housing collapse, near recession, corruption on a grand scale. (See the latest version at the Interior Dept.)
Has everyone completely forgotten who is running for POTUS? It’s John McCain. Does anyone think McCain is going to give Palin a second Oval Office down the hall, or the authority of the president? Once McCain has used Palin for his purposes we won’t be hearing much from or about her during his term in office. He wants this presidency badly and if he gets it, it will be his, not hers.
And it will be modeled after the exact same economic and foreign policies of the bush / cheney administration.
Solly,
“Here is a question for you BlueJay, do you support killing a baby after it has been born and taken its first breath?”
No, then it becomes the military’s responsibility.
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 11, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink
I like it that John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) used to brag that he “…was never voted ‘Miss Congeniality’ in the Senate,” as part of his “maverick” image. Then he goes out and selects the Moose-Dresser (who was “Miss Congeniality” in that long-ago Miss Alaska contest.
I wonder what her “Talent” was in that pageant.
I think the answer would amuse.
;^)
And in his first post-convention campaign appearance without the Moose-Dresser, McCoot was shouted off the stage.
And the more we learn about the Republic Party’s Vice-Presidential candidate, the more she comes up lacking in the “presidential” area but seems to have been really good at “vice.”
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Monkeyboy, you must have 5 kids and a really fat lazy wife laying around the trailer to be so jaelous of Sarah Palin.
or
You’re the wife………
either way, life must suck for you.
My question of you goes to YOUR character solie.
To better know where someone like you is coming from?
See, I just HOPE this country is smart enough not to FORCE a raped woman or any woman to carry a pregnancy to term. I’m reasonably sure Palin’s beliefs here will sink her when she is better known.
That you refuse to answer it gives me an answer.
That you are getting overly emotional tells me more.
And on your strange and dishonest point?
They took my gall bladder out. I am sure that it in some sense “lived” as and after it was being removed.
This does not equal they KILLED my gall bladder.
Not positive, but I think I read that her talent is flute playing.
I guess we shouldn’t bring up The Pied Piper of Hamelin?
BeeJay- They took my gall bladder out. I am sure that it in some sense “lived” as and after it was being removed.
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did it have a hearbeat?
My question of you goes to YOUR character solie.
Off topic. The topic is Obama supporting infanticide.
That you are getting overly emotional tells me more.
Laughing at you is overly emotional? Have you checked the labels on your prescriptions?
This does not equal they KILLED my gall bladder.
Your gall bladder is not an infant child, living and breathing, with a heartbeat. And you claim I dodge? You just compared an infant to a gall bladder.
No if you go look solie, you will see that the “topic” is that Sarah Palin wants to ban abortion even in cases of rape.
Derivative I give you. But still topical on a Palin thread.
I asked you if you believe a raped woman should be forced to carry the results of an impregnation from that rape.
And you do not have the courage to answer.
I can hardly blame you. You’d be admitting a VERY fringe position, further damaging pretense at objectivity.
Has Palin stated that raped women should be forced to carry to term? Have I?
Here is where it started.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/paglia-likes-palin%e2%80%99s-bravura/#comment-422364
Just as you won’t claim infanticide, but your party’s leader does.
Biassed,
“did it have a hearbeat?”
That bug we all suffered from last winter didn’t have a heartbeat, but I’m sure that anyone who had it would attest it was alive. Conversely, my dad’s old watch still ticks, but as far as I know, it doesn’t qualify for social security. Don’t get too hung up on heartbeats as proof of anything.
“Just as you won’t claim infanticide”
EXTREMELY rare incidents where the result of an abortion “lives” for a very short time do not equal “killing babies.
I’ve fought this fight from your side solie. I know all the tricks. That you people have invented a new shock word in the interim does not change the facts.
Now, do you, or do you not tell a rape victim that she must carry the result of that rape to term? And if you and Sarah Palin do?
How ya gonna make that happen?
I am not Palin. I am not in a positon to legislate whom does and does not carry a baby.
I have not seen proof that Palin would force anyone to carry a baby.
I have however seen that Obama supports infanticide.
jed……….are you really as stupid as you sound or were you dropped on your head?
That’s not an answer sol.
And I would expect we will get just such an evasive reply from Sarah Palin if we could ask her.
SO, it must be assumed that Sarah Palin would tell a woman who has been raped that she must carry any result to term. And we must NOT put her in the position to do so.
We must defend personal freedom. Sarah Palin is a threat to that.
Palin has already told the rape victim she must pay the exam costs. In view of that nothing would surprise me.
Jed Clampett.
Don’t get too hung up on heartbeats as proof of anything.
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There are many things that are alive that don’t have a heartbeat.
Can you tell me anything that has a heartbeat that is not alive?
Don’t get all hung up on denial.
Abortion is killing.
It is however legal.
But don’t get hung up on facts…..
Whatever gets you through the day there scooter.
The DemoRat FEAR of a woman is very clear in all the Palin posts on the WE Blog & ALL OVER THE INTERNET in the last 2 weeks.
You DemoRats are in a COMPLETE PANIC!
CHAOS!
And Obama is looking like the biggest WIMP of a Presidential candidate, since Dukakis.
Max- And Obama is looking like the biggest WIMP of a Presidential candidate, since Dukakis.
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Looks pretty good shootin’ jump shots, speaks well, but I just can’t imagine a “community organizer” with his finger on THE button.
if youknow what I mean.
BlueJay
Posted September 11, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink
That’s not an answer sol.
And I would expect we will get just such an evasive reply from Sarah Palin if we could ask her.
SO, it must be assumed that Sarah Palin would tell a woman who has been raped that she must carry any result to term. And we must NOT put her in the position to do so.
We must defend personal freedom. Sarah Palin is a threat to that.
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The left loves to make the idea of abortions becoming illegal an issue. It’s a smoke screen. It’s NEVER gonna happen.
Worst case scenario is an overtun of Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court which puts it in the hands of the states where it should be.
The Federal Governement does not belong in the reproductive business.
hick,
Nope, my head works just fine. And yours?
You need to be a bit more specific when you disagree with a post (like even which one you’re responding to?), and argue your point with some semblance of rationality. And remember that this blog is for people to express their own thoughts; we’ve all already heard the talking points, so no need to repeat them. Happy blogging!
“Worst case scenario is an overtun of Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court which puts it in the hands of the states where it should be.”
Even THAT is unacceptable. Some states would not allow women a right to choose.
And besides, remember, I was originally on the other side.
The goal of anyone who is against ANY abortion is to ban ALL abortion. Some are just more honest about it than others.
It is interesting to see. The reasonable exceptions to banning all abortion (rape, incest, life of the mother) are being flipped.
Because someone like Palin comes along, the reasonable exceptions now become the front line.
No.
The country is going to know just who she is. And she will not succeed.
Kia,
Actually we had just that scenario for a couple years before Roe. Abortion was in the hands of the states, and as the other Comstock laws were being done away with, some states began to allow abortions. It turned into a royal brouhaha when women who wanted an abortion simply crossed state lines to a more liberal state, and prosecutors in the conservative states were foaming at the mouth to prosecute them on their return. Roe simply made the rules the same for all women.
Honestly I did not know that Jed.
I have family members who actually went to foreign countries (Japan) to have abortions prior to Roe vs. Wade.
I think any pro-life supporter worth their salt should agree the only way for the evil of abortion to end is for the desire for them to no longer exist.
Do I like a candidate who shares the same view of abortion? Absolutely. For anyone to say that a simple ban is going to end it is a fool. I’d love to see that question asked of all the candidates.
Very interesting local perspective of Sarah Palin:
The lodge is owned by Butch and Kathy Wildman. The Wildmans spend their winters in Texas and their summers in Alaska . Kathy’s father and former husband served in the Alaskan legislature for around 30 years so Butch and Kathy know Alaska politics.
Eddie emailed Butch and asks Butch what the Wildmans think of Gov. Sarah Palin. Butch’s unedited email is attached below. Please read it and forward it to your friends. This is what the citizens of Alaska think of Sarah Palin!
Fishing is good here at Wildman and I rarely have time for politics, but many of our friends are asking us ‘Who is Sarah Palin?’ Of course, as Alaskans, Kathy and I are extremely proud of her. We just want to let you know that Sarah ‘Barracuda’ Palin is a straight shooting, hard charging, get it done gal. She knows when to listen, how to analyze the facts and how to make a decision, then implement the plan. She doesn’t do a poll before jumping in with both feet like too many of the Washington types. She has little legislative experience because she has always held the EXECUTIVE position; in private life, as mayor of Anchorage ’s largest bedroom community or more recently as Governor of our State. She is a smart, attractive home grown Alaska girl with excellent moral and family values. She can see what needs to be done and does not hesitate to get it done.
One of our State’s major problems is that its Capital is in Juneau , 500 miles from the nearest road and 800 air miles from the population base which is Anchorage , Wasilla and Fairbanks . Our legislature and most of the State government is in Juneau and they ALL behave like a bunch of freshmen in a college town. It has been this way since Statehood in 1959. When Sarah moved to Juneau , so did accountability and responsibility When the oil revenue started flowing and a barrel of North Slope Crude hit $23.00, these people began spending money like drunken sailors. You can only imagine what was happenings when oil hit $100.00 a barrel, about the time Sarah took command. My wife Kathy has first-hand experience with this fiasco, as her father and also her ex-husband were Alaska Legislators who served in Juneau as Senators, Senate President, or members of the State House for a combined period spanning nearly three decades.
About the time Sarah took the HELM as Governor of Alaska, about half of the State legislature was in the pocket of big oil companies or contractors doing big projects for Native Corporations around Alaska, all funded by State oil revenue. Alaska government was nothing but a good old boys club riding the perpetual wave of prosperity. This filtered down from the legislature, through the Department of Natural Resources, Department of Labor and even spilled in to the Public Safety who are supposed to ‘preserve and protect’.
When Sarah walked into the Governor’s Mansion, she promptly dismissed the State Trooper detachment as signed to Governor and had her and her husband’s gun case brought in from Wasilla. Then, she got rid of the former Governor’s STATE Jet and told legislators that there were no more free rides, they would have to fly Alaska Airlines, just like her and her family if they wanted to travel. Next came the nut cutting (the Barracuda part) the heads that rolled were too numerous to name, but when Sarah finished cleaning house, a number of our legislators ended up in jail for on corruption charges, or tendered their resignations along with numerous department heads and those who have been riding the gravy train for way too long, AND THEN SHE HAD LUNCH. By the end of the day, Sarah Palin had saved the people of Alaska millions and has not yet slowed down.
She has truly brought CHANGE to Juneau . I personally know several persons in the private sector in Alaska , that hold her in high est eem. She surrounds herself with smart people, many from my hometown of Anchorage , she listens to them but makes her own decisions. Sarah Palin is a no B.S. politician. It is refreshing that there is such a thing anymore. You want to talk about CHANGE? You should see a before and after picture of the State government in Alaska . That’s CHANGE! Sarah will bring a number of things to the election. I am sure she will appeal many voters who may otherwise could have gone the other direction on election day. The conservative block will not be for Barack. We have their vote. We need what Sarah will bring, first to the election and second, what she will bring to Washington D.C. McCain has been advised well, Let’s just hope the American people can get the straight scoop on her in the weeks ahead.
This is just the opinion of one Alaska Bush Pilot and Guide, who pays attention to national politics, watches the news and is deathly afraid of the direction our nation is headed. I guarantee that if Sarah gets a chance to dig her spurs into the flanks of the liberal Washington types, they will know that she is in the saddle.
Butch King
Pilot/Guide
Butch & Kathy King
She is awesome. More qualified than the democrats presidential candidate, and much more interesting than McClame.
Switch em.
Oh gosh….I just hate to read stuff like this, he he he!!!
Democrats on Capitol Hill fear Obama fallout
By Andrew Ward in Washington
Published: September 11 2008 23:30 | Last updated: September 11 2008 23:30
Democratic jitters about the US presidential race have spread to Capitol Hill, where some members of Congress are worried that Barack Obama’s faltering campaign could hurt their chances of re-election.
Party leaders have been hoping to strengthen Democratic control of the House and Senate in November, but John McCain’s jump in the polls has stoked fears of a Republican resurgence.
A Democratic fundraiser for Congressional candidates said some planned to distance themselves from Mr Obama and not attack Mr McCain.
“If people are voting for McCain it could help Republicans all the way down the ticket, even in a year when the Democrats should be sweeping all before us,” said the fundraiser, a former Hillary Clinton supporter.
“There is a growing sense of doom among Democrats I have spoken to?.?.?.?People are going crazy, telling the campaign ‘you’ve got to do something’.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c2f69ce-8031-11dd-99a9-000077b07658.html
Just another non-feminist claiming to be a feminist-trying to redefine the meaning. She should like Palin.
Hmm, I wonder.
For a feminist to be considered a REAL feminist, does she have to be a liberal?
Obama does NOT support infacide. That is a lie. Obama supports a family’s right to choose comfort measures for their dying loved ones. Whether they be 1 minute old or 99 years old.
Yes, Obama does support infanticide.
He voted for the purposeful neglect of a live born baby, post abortion attempt, to result in their DEATH!
He is evil.
“For a feminist to be considered a REAL feminist, does she have to be a liberal?”
Yes, and they must produce the burnt wire remains of their t backed sports bra validating initiation fulfillment.
True Feminists must also be…
B U T T
U G L Y
Obama supports a family’s right to choose killing unborn babies, sucking them from their mothers womb, cracking their skulls with hammers, and vacuming the remains into the trash. To control senior citizens cost on the social system, Obama supports a senile seniors right to blow their brains out, or have assisted murders of our parents.
Proven facts. Sad. Very sad.
Max, do you think Palin appeals to feminists?
Can she be supportive of womens rights - without the label?
Palin won’t appeal to feminists, but she does appeal to real women.
Palin is an example for all women who want to work and have a career too.
That is what Feminism was supposed to be about. Feminism is all about Hateful Ugly Women who want to act like men.
Palin shows how a woman can be smart, strong, have a successful career, and a family, while still being an attractive woman.
A truly strong woman, does not have to act like a man to be successful.
I’d do her. In a heartbeat.
Kia,
We had an absolute ban on abortions passed under pressure of a minister, a Rev. Anthony Comstock (Jerry Falwell in a previous life) in 1869, along with a whole list of things he wanted banned, like anything but church on Sunday, porn, booze, betting, anything he thought was uhchristian, etc. they were known a Comstock Laws or blue laws.
Until then, abortion was considered strictly a woman’s choice until quickening, when the soul was assumed to enter the fetus.
After the Comstock Laws were passed, the illegal abortionists simply set up shop just slightly below line-of-sight and kept on going. There has always been plenty of demand. Doctors who did them often did them after hours or on weekends, calling it a prophilactic dialation and curettage to regulate her feminine cycle, and “had seen no evidence the poor woman was pregnant!”
Other methods such as drugs were marketed as womens regulating tonics.
Here in Wichita, we had four chiropractors who pretty much devoted their practices to supplying the demnd for abortions from about 1949 until they were put out of business by Roe. When I asked one of them if they were afraid of getting arrested, he replied that if he were arrested, the cops, judges and court officers would have nowhere to take their wives, daughters and girlfriends.
There were also a few RNs who performed them part-time, as well as a few out-and-out butchers in back alleys. Where a woman went usually depended on her economic position and the need for secrecy. When complications arose, as they sometimes did, too many women refused to go to the local ER for fear of arrest until it was too late to save them. A ghastly result of this law!
No Matter how draconian the laws became, the demand for abortion was steadily high, and was just about as plentiful as street drugs are now.
Starting in the early 1960’s, the pill gradually brcame available, and the demand for abortions has dropped sharply and steadily as the pill and other birth-control drugs and devices began to make it to the market.
While records the rate of illegal abortions before Roefor all practical purposes were never kept, and the few we have are for obvious reasons quite suspect, the very rough estimates I have been able to pull together suggest that in the 1940’s to the mid ’60’s, abortions in Wichita, and I imagine in most cities, was about 4-5 times the current figures. Given the vast increase in population, abortion rates now are probably the lowest they’ve been in this counry since colonial times. You can thank the scientists, not the preachers for this drop. Human behavior doesn’t change anywhere near that fast.
Amway,
I wouldn’t- we’d never make it into bed. I prefer to have at least one conversation with who I sleep with before doing the deed, and she would’ve been tossed out the highest window available sometime during that conversation.
Maxie,
I’ve spent my life with feminists of all stripes, and very few would have even the least desire to act like a man. Feminists are simply rejecting the role that’s been imposed on them by the society from time immemorial, and want a hand in writing the script for their own lives. I met Gloria Steinem many years ago, and served her coffee and cookies in my own quite humble home as she interviewed my wife for an article in Ms Magazine. I have never met a kinder, more caring and gracious true woman in my life (except my wife). I suspect even you would like her- a lot!
Palin is no feminist; she is waving the banner of feminism to hide her attack on all the issues vital to women. In other words, she’s a hypocrite of the first water. I’m quite sure more examples of her true personality will reveal themselve as the banner ravels away, and they’ll be anything but pretty!
All you usually need to do is register online to play, hand over term, and jump into abortion. Play abortion and see how easy it is to win. In abortion, you are likely to beat the bridge and feel exhilarating unlike abortions.
Jed’s post says a lot, about himself.
Served cookies to Gloria Steinhem years ago, and THAT is a highlight of his life.
Can you say, “Radical Leftist Socialist Lib”?
I met Fred Thompson and spent an hour talking to his wife before Fred arrived.
Now THAT was an interesting hour!
Maxie,
The highlight of my life? hardly! Just an unsuccessful attempt to educate what’s turned out to be a stump.