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McCain – the liar exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related
Fundies! If you really want to vote for bible prophesy- vote Obama.
Heh.
Warmism and basic science
Every scientist, every science teacher, and possibly every gardener in the world knows that applying the terms `greenhouse effect’ and `greenhouse gases’ to the atmosphere, and to climate, is the most basic bunkum. Why then do we continue to propagate these two terms which are scientifically wrong and so misleading? Or, for some, does their propaganda value make the science irrelevant? It is no wonder that a physics teacher whom I met recently at one of our top schools was in despair: “How can we teach the kids real science if such nonsense is allowed into the curriculum?”
Wot No Convection!
So, back to basics. The atmosphere does not work like a garden greenhouse. In the simplest of terms, a greenhouse functions because the in-coming solar radiation – the sun – warms the soil, the tables, the plants, and the pathways inside it, which then, in turn, warm the air trapped within the closed greenhouse environment [remember that there is very little direct solar heating of the air]. The air then continues to remain warm because it is trapped within the closed greenhouse so that the heat cannot be lost through the process of convection, unlike in the air outside the greenhouse and in the atmosphere, where free convection is uninhibited. If you want to test this, or to cool your greenhouse, you must open the door, or, preferably, a window or two in the greenhouse roof, to permit convection to occur. Greenhouses work, first and foremost, because they prevent the normal processes of convection, not because of radiative forcing, precisely the opposite of what happens in the open atmosphere.
Our Radiative-Convective Atmosphere
Thus, the down-to-earth greenhouse effect does not, and can not, apply to the atmosphere, which experiences free convection. Indeed, so true is this fact that any complex model relating to climate must take it into account, so that we are not even dealing with a purely radiative effect, but with a much more complex, and still very little understood, set of radiative-convective effects. In essence, the `opacity’ of the atmosphere to outgoing infrared radiation determines the height from which most photons will be emitted into space. The more `opaque’ the atmosphere, the more the escaping photons will be emitted from higher in the atmosphere, and, because the emission of infrared radiation is a function of temperature, it is the temperature of the atmosphere, at this emission level, that will be determined by the requirement for the emitted flux to balance the absorbed solar flux.
We must further take into account the standard fact that the temperature of the atmosphere decreases with height at a rate of c. 6.5 øC per kilometer (on average), until the Stratosphere is attained (between 8 – 16 km above the surface) [we can assume for this purpose that the lapse rate is fixed by non-radiative energy fluxes]. If we then determine the temperature (and height) at the emission level of the infrared flux escaping into space, the surface temperature can be computed by increasing temperature at the rate of 6.5 øC per kilometer – the above-mentioned environmental lapse rate, reversed – until one reaches the surface. Thus, the more `opaque’ the atmosphere, the higher will be the emission level of the escaping infrared radiation, and, consequently, the warmer the surface, since the lapse rate will occupy a longer distance in the vertical.
But, all this is going much farther than I need. The point is ever so simple. The atmosphere – carbon dioxide, methane, whatever – does not function like a greenhouse in our gardens. I must thus return to my initial question: “Why do we continue to propagate the nonsense of the `greenhouse’ analogy?” Unfortunately, I think we know the answer all too well.
But, more worryingly, if such fundamental scientific bunkum is allowed to flourish in science itself, in public reports, and in the media, surely we must begin to wonder what other rubbish is being tolerated and employed for propaganda purposes? What else is being `trapped’ by the emissions of bad science? This is a Green gobbledygook too far.
http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Global_Warming_Politics/A_Hot_Topic_Blog/Entries/2008/9/2_Basic_Bunkum.html
Okay, this is just…well, the word “stupid” comes to mind.
From the Kansas.com Morning Headlines email…
Republicans honor Bob Dole in Minnesota
BY BRENT D. WISTROM, The Wichita Eagle
Bob Dole doesn’t talk about Bob Dole much anymore. In fact, some of his friends and associates who gathered at a tribute in a swank suburban hotel Wednesday say that whole Saturday Night Live bit pushed it a little far.
Uh, excuse me? Wasn’t “pushing it a little far” the whole point of SNL?
Bob Dole: [ interrupting ] No, no. You’re still not getting it. Now, listen carefully: “Live, from New York, it’s Saturday Night!”
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/96/96fdoles.phtml
Since Hank wants to turn this into a science thread here’s even more scientific evidence that the world is not 6,000 years old.
Oldest Gecko Fossil Ever Found, Entombed In Amber
ScienceDaily (Sep. 3, 2008) — Scientists from Oregon State University and the Natural History Museum in London have announced the discovery of the oldest known fossil of a gecko, with body parts that are forever preserved in life-like form after 100 million years of being entombed in amber.
Due to the remarkable preservative power of being embalmed in amber, the tiny foot of this ancient lizard still shows the tiny “lamellae,” or sticky toe hairs, that to this day give modern geckos their unusual ability to cling to surfaces or run across a ceiling. Research programs around the world have tried to mimic this bizarre adhesive capability, with limited success.
This gecko’s running days are over, however, as only the foot, toes and part of a tail are left in the stone. The rest might have become lunch for a small dinosaur or other predator during an ancient fight in the tropical forests of Myanmar during the Lower Cretaceous Period, from 97 million to 110 million years ago.
More at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080902163920.htm
Hey Indie, two can play that game. It doesn’t take much time or intelligence to do a search at youtube and find something.
Obama – liar exposed. Oh and by the way, Here’s Your Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yKJhB528
Yeah!!!!! The smoking ban takes effect today…I’m going to lunch at TJ’s!
Maggot..don’t you love anthropology? I watched a special on the discovery of the 18,000 year old human Hobbits found on an island in Indonesia the other night, so interesting!
Obama on O’Reily tonight. Should be good
I gotta watch that one…it’ll be fun to watch O’Reily make a fool of himself.
Obama needs to play that one cool.
O’Reilly is pretty easy to melt down. It doesn’t take much to get him ranting “But you wanna do it with MY money!”
I call that one could go either way. No points.
Just like you said…O’Reily will have a meltdown and make a fool out of himself. Obama will play like he always does…cool and classy.
O’Reilly did an exceptional job in the Clinton interview and Clinton responded quite intelligently.
I doubt the purpose of the interview is to be about O’Reilly, but revelations about Obama.
Count the number of times Obama says “Look” and “Well, let me say this.”
I just hope O’Reily nails down the questions and doesn’t allow Obama to sidestep them with fluff speech.
Same goes for Palin and McCain. The media needs to demand answers instead of canned rhetoric.
Hank – we are all well familiar with convection. The reason for the use of the term greenhouse is to try to simplify for the lay public. His article does not change in one bit the fact that ‘greenhouse gases’ are changing the earth’s energy balance.
By the way – very little convection gets past the tropopause.
Answers on issues, that is.
Good morning Ben!
“The reason for the use of the term greenhouse is to try to simplify for the lay public.”
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Maybe, Ben, just maybe, if we didn’t dumb down the science textbooks in the ‘government’ schools we wouldn’t have to try and ’simplify’ for the lay public.
Most of the time when the news is reporting on the latest ’science’ du jour I pay little attention unless they are reporting on something that I know a little about. I’m always amazed at how incredibly wrong they are or at how very little useful information is in their report.
Nuclear power, for instance, the reporters and the public are stupid. Military reporting, incredibly ignorant most of the time.
The schools are turning into little more than propaganda centers. When it comes to science education we should expect more. Schools should educate the ‘lay people’ better.
Hank, it seems to me that the reporters and public are ignorant, at best, on most if not all matters relating to energy, regardless of the source; same on military, economics, darned near everything.
We should expect more from all schools in all subjects.
Hurricane Ike was upgraded to an ‘extremely dangerous’ Category 4 storm by the National Hurricane Center late Wednesday as the system roared west across the central Atlantic.
Well this sucks.
Or does it blow?
I agree avtolle!
We have an educational system that is broken from the top down.
We do not have a system that allows us to utilize some of the best people as teachers. You don’t have a teacher’s certificate in Kansas. You would not be able to volunteer to teach a class on government or civics in a local high school.
I retired as a ETCS(SS) from the Navy. My education from the Navy is the equivilant of an associates degree in electronics. I taught nuclear physics, electronics and water chemistry to officer classes in Navy Nuclear power school. I don’t have a teacher’s certificate in Kansas. I am not able to teach a class in electronics in a classroom if I wished to volunteer my time.
We have teachers in science classes that have a BA in Education. They are barely two pages ahead of their students in class. They cannot bring any practical experience to the class. If it isn’t in their books they don’t know it.
“HLP” struts out his –
“…equivilant of an associates degree….”
You mean, you mean?! As good as Junior College!?
Way to go, “HLP!”
Not quite as impressive as chiropractic college, but it probably outranks cosmetology school
Welfare – rewarding failure and incompetance:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/04/news/economy/automakers_Congress/index.htm?postversion=2008090412
Big Three bailout may be around corner
Automakers seek $50 billion in low-interest loans to convert plants from trucks to fuel efficient cars; presidential election could help their chances.
Thanks MonkeyHawk!
Yep, I use to teach courses in the Navy to Navy Academy graduates. The equivilent of post graduate courses. I was an instructor for Admiral Hyman Richover. I know that doesn’t mean much to the average ‘layman’ but to anyone with any knowledge of the Navy Nuclear Power program it’s pretty impressive.
hehehe
Why only ONE Palin topic today???????
Hank – I agree about the science teachers who don’t know science. We have it backwards IMO.
Now that we have all of the resident WE Blogger “expert” opinions on the Palin speech, here are some other “expert” opinions:
How’d the media react?
CBS’s Bob Schieffer said, “I think she passed the first test. The people in this hall absolutely loved this speech. … Now we’ll see how it plays with the rest of the country.”
“Two things are clear after Sarah Palin made her do-or-die debut before 20-plus million people tonight,” explained Time Magazine’s Jay Carney. “She is amazingly self-confident. And she knows how to nail a speech.”
His colleague Joe Klein agreed calling it ‘brilliant.’
George Stephanopolous lauded the speech on Nightline. “She definitely gets an A,” he said. “It was appealing and funny and warn at times. Very, very tough at times as well. And she really did have an ability to bring these things down to earth, bring it down to earth.”
CNN’s Wolf Blitzer agreed. “She really did hit it out of the park tonight not only here but for millions of Americans watching across the country,” he said.
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on Palin’s role as attack dog? Effective. “She is a torpedo aimed directly at the ship of Barack and Michelle Obama,” he said.
The sourpuss of the group, not surprisingly, was Keith Olbermann. “People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like,” he said dourly.
Even the Obama campaign praised it’s delivery — but that’s where they stopped.
“The speech that Gov. Palin gave was well delivered, but it was written by George Bush’s speechwriter and sounds exactly like the same divisive, partisan attacks we’ve heard from George Bush for the last eight years, a campaign spokesman said.
Summing up the evening perhaps best is Tom Shales over at the Washington Post:
“If the Republicans win the presidential election in November, it may well be said that they won it last night — the night that John McCain’s brilliantly screwy choice for a running mate changed from laughingstock to national star,” he wrote.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/04/sarah-palin-how-do-you-like-me-now/
Can we get a Tiahrt Amendment Topic Please?
There hasn’t been a Tiahrt Amendment Topic this month yet.
More frequent and more severe hurricanes are consistent with the global warming model.
The last time the US was hit by three severe hurricanes was . . . uh . . . anyone? anyone?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry4413030.shtml
National Enquirer to announce that Palin had affair
Failin’ Palin . . . she couldn’t be worse.
I feel so bad for the Republic Party right now.
Hey, wait.
I don’t.
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CapnAmerica
Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry4413030.shtml
National Enquirer to announce that Palin had affair
Failin’ Palin . . . she couldn’t be worse.
I feel so bad for the Republic Party right now.
Hey, wait.
I don’t.
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That rumor was killed last night. Old and yet more pathetic news from the Left.
Better send some more anthrax-laced letters to the reporters.
MaxGrobnik posted August 18, 2008 at 11:56 am
“Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered
There’s something rotten north of Denmark
By Steven Goddard ? More by this author
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HLP (aka Hank) posted August 21, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered
Despite the best that the crooks at the National Snow and Ice Data Center could do
…
The Arctic melt season is nearly done for this year.”
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‘Arctic Ice melt media misinformation retracted’
http://www.desmogblog.com/arctic-ice-melt-media-misinformation-retracted
“25 Aug 08
The Register reporter Steve Goddard is admitting today that his article last week on melting Arctic Sea Ice (Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered) is incorrect.”
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And it’s still melting. . .
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
Don’t worry cosmos, it’s winter season in the Arctic now.
There won’t be any melting.
And it’s still melting. . .
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
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cosmos_originally
Posted September 4, 2008 at 12:43 pm | Permalink
And it’s still melting. . .
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
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Appears to me the thickness is increasing as it goes into September.
Or does an incremental rise on a chart not mean anything to you? :D
Another Alaskan boy comes forward and claims he’s the real father of Palin girl’s unborn baby.
It.
Just.
Won’t.
Stop.
Thank you WEBlog for adding Two More Palin Topics Today!
THREE IN ONE DAY!
YES!
(I don’t think Obama even had such ‘honors’. Not sure which topic to post Palin comments on now though! )
And WHO so foolishly said the Press was Piling on Palin?
But we STILL NEED a Tiahrt Amendment Topic!
“Well, let me say this.”
Was it Nixon who always said, “Let me say this about that”?
And one more.
The last time the US was hit by three severe hurricanes was . . . uh . . . anyone? anyone?
In one week? Never.
I bet Obama called Hillary last night after Palin’s speech and begged her to accept the VP spot on his ticket!
They can easily dump Biden. Biden can easily fake a heart attack or some other illness, and resign due to “health reasons”.
“The schools are turning into little more than propaganda centers. When it comes to science education we should expect more. Schools should educate the ‘lay people’ better.” — Hlpless.
You don’t have the slightest idea what is being taught in public schools. Have you ever downloaded a curriculum?
“The National Enquirer – Best Investigative reporting in the planet” -Men in Black :))
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, Im gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust
Another Democrat that is:
Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has pleaded guilty, ending a nearly eight-month drama that has transfixed the region, paralyzed much of city business and halted a political career that once held such promise.
After pleading guilty, he’ll leave office, serve 120 days in jail, repay $1 million, surrender law license
Go Obama!!!
Nearly 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer
Total Is About Double The Death Toll In Iraq
“The South Side’s Englewood District, which includes the Englewood and West Englewood neighborhoods on the city’s South Side, fared the worst over the summer. A total of 14 people were shot dead there, and 48 were shot and wounded.”
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html
In a courtroom this morning, Kilpatrick pleaded guilty to two felony counts of obstructing justice by committing perjury. He will spend four months in jail, pay up to $1 million in restitution, and serve five years’ probation. He also agreed not to run for office during that five-year span.
In addition, the mayor agreed to a no-contest plea to one count of felonious assault for shoving a sheriff’s deputy in July who had tried to serve a subpoena on Kilpatrick’s friend. He agreed to serve four months on that charge, too, but it will be served at the same time as his other sentence.
The deals also call for Kilpatrick to turn over his state pension to the City of Detroit, which paid $8.4 million to settle two whistle-blower lawsuits three former cops filed against the city. The mayor was charged with eight felony counts ranging from conspiracy to perjury to misconduct in office to obstruction of justice after the Free Press revealed in January that the mayor lied on the witness stand during a police whistle-blower trial and gave misleading testimony about whether he intended to fire a deputy police chief investigating allegations of wrongdoing by members of his inner circle.
Wow. I thought it was only the Republicans that didn;thave any morals, according to many here on this blog. Once again, they are proven wrong. Dirt covers both parties. Do not be deceived or so partisan that you cannot see.
anti: I’ve asked this before and never get an answer. Why is a city about the same size as Chicago sitting at a total of 40 murders so far this year? I’m talking about Toronto where concealed hand guns are outlawed…do we think that might have anything to do with it? Gotta figure your Obama crack ain’t straight shootin’.
“I don’t have a teacher’s certificate in Kansas. I am not able to teach a class in electronics in a classroom if I wished to volunteer my time.”
As one of the few posters with a kid in the school system, I regard that as good news.
Dittos, BlueJay.
HLP writes, “We have teachers in science classes that have a BA in Education. They are barely two pages ahead of their students in class. They cannot bring any practical experience to the class. If it isn’t in their books they don’t know it.”
Name one.
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CapnAmerica
Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:24 pm | Permalink
Dittos, BlueJay.
HLP writes, “We have teachers in science classes that have a BA in Education. They are barely two pages ahead of their students in class. They cannot bring any practical experience to the class. If it isn’t in their books they don’t know it.”
Name one.
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Since most fresh out of college B.A. in Education are probably in the age range of 21-23 years old, you could probably state that 80 percent of them have no practical experience.
It would be a very easy task.
When I was a substitute teacher, I saw some of these ‘kid’ teacher that barely looked older than the students.
In fact, one female teacher I thought was a student she looked so young.
Young teachers have a lot to learn about life and what is practical.
At least now we know why he was all up about carrying his gun in a school.
He wants to be in there sharing his….wisdom.
And most likely his faith and politics as well.
Pass on that.
There MUST be something wrong or inadequate about the qualifications to substitute teach.
Cindy McCain’s outfit Tuesday night:
Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600
Total: around 300,000
Telling average Americans that she doesn’t have a f**king clue how they live?
Priceless.
BlueJay–
I don’t believe anything that a mumbling drunk who sleeps on a park bench would say.
Why would I believe anything Regular would say?
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CapnAmerica
Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:39 pm | Permalink
BlueJay–
I don’t believe anything that a mumbling drunk who sleeps on a park bench would say.
Why would I believe anything Regular would say?
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I’ve actually had recent teaching experience in our public schools.
And your experience Crapn in any Public school district in Kansas are?
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BlueJay
Posted September 4, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink
There MUST be something wrong or inadequate about the qualifications to substitute teach.
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Not at all.
Have recommendations from two Kansas High School Principals and five other people like I did, a couple of degrees, job experience and you can get into substitute teaching as well Junior.
After a background check of course. :)
Think, Aqualung.
Copy that Capn.
A Jethro Tull reference is the best you got Crapn?
BTW, I was actually of age when that was written.
What were you, like 10?
“Yep, I use to teach courses in the Navy to Navy Academy graduates. The equivilent of post graduate courses. I was an instructor for Admiral Hyman Richover. I know that doesn’t mean much to the average ‘layman’ but to anyone with any knowledge of the Navy Nuclear Power program it’s pretty impressive.”
Good for you Hank. Off topic, but who would name their son Hyman? That has to be worse than Sue.
And while I’m on this digression what is with Palin’s children’s names? “Track”? – why not name him “Road” or “sidewalk”? Trig? – how about “calculus” or “geometry”? Piper? – how about “Who-pays-the”? I am suspicious of people who name their children such weird names. I understand that they don’t get sunlight often enough, maybe that’s it.
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StevenEDavis
Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink
“Yep, I use to teach courses in the Navy to Navy Academy graduates. The equivilent of post graduate courses. I was an instructor for Admiral Hyman Richover. I know that doesn’t mean much to the average ‘layman’ but to anyone with any knowledge of the Navy Nuclear Power program it’s pretty impressive.”
Good for you Hank. Off topic, but who would name their son Hyman? That has to be worse than Sue.
And while I’m on this digression what is with Palin’s children’s names? “Track”? – why not name him “Road” or “sidewalk”? Trig? – how about “calculus” or “geometry”? Piper? – how about “Who-pays-the”? I am suspicious of people who name their children such weird names. I understand that they don’t get sunlight often enough, maybe that’s it.
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Mr. Palin is Native American.
I’m guessing that influenced the naming of his children.
Capn,
Mult-nic’d seems to be having more serious than usual “thinking” problems tonight, caused by his diabetes, or something?
I posted some of the problems with the decades-old oil pipeline in Alaska. He thought those posts were about a nonexistent, future pipeline.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/palin-more-than-pulled-it-off/#comment-417732
Aqualung was a good album – at its peak when I was a senior in high school. The group came to Wichita when I was in college. Favorite Tull album of all time is Songs From the Wood.
There was a pretty good 25 (or, maybe 30) year anniversary DVD on the band that was also good. My old guitar teacher loaned it to me – worth seeing I would say.
cosmos_originally
Posted September 4, 2008 at 8:11 pm
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cosmos,
You don’t get it.
No one cares about your ‘attention whore’ ideology.
Get it?
No one cares.
Mr. Palin is Native American.
I’m guessing that influenced the naming of his children.
*****
I am sure I remember hearing that. That may explain it. Thank you.
Full disclosure: I have a sister-in-law (sister of my spouse) who lives in Alaska. My sister-in-law is lesbian. They had a no-gay-marriage bill pass in Alaska a year ago, I think – the percentages were more like 51 to 49 percent for the bill vs. against. My sense is out on the frontier, people have more of a “live and let live” philosophy than Palin represents.
I believe that many Kansans have the same worldview. I also know that KFG (where are you by the way) won’t buy that.
Well, folks —-
Good night; Good luck; God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
So mote it be!!
“StevenEDavis” mentions –
“… KFG (where are you by the way) won’t buy that.”
All week there’s been no “ksfarmgrrl” nor “Nathaniel.”
Coincidence? I think
not… so.