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Meat-eating Dinosaur From Argentina Had Bird-like Breathing System
ScienceDaily (Sep. 30, 2008) — The remains of a 30-foot-long predatory dinosaur discovered along the banks of Argentina’s Rio Colorado is helping to unravel how birds evolved their unusual breathing system.
University of Michigan paleontologist Jeffrey Wilson was part of the team that made the discovery, to be published Sept. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE and announced at a news conference in Mendoza, Argentina.
The discovery of this dinosaur builds on decades of paleontological research indicating that birds evolved from dinosaurs.
Birds have a breathing system that is unique among land animals. Instead of lungs that expand, birds have a system of bellows, or air sacs, which help pump air through the lungs. This novel feature is the reason birds can fly higher and faster than bats, which, like all mammals, expand their lungs in a less efficient breathing process.
More of real science at:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080929212931.htm
The Nonsense of Global Warming
By Paul Johnson, eminent British historian and author
August was one of the nastiest months I can remember: torrential rain; a hailstorm or two; cold, bitter winds; and mists. But we are accustomed to such weather in England. Lord Byron used to say that an English summer begins on July 31 and ends on Aug. 1. He called 1816 “the year without a summer.” He spent it gazing across Lake Geneva, watching the storms, with 18-year-old Mary Shelley. The lightening flickering across the lake inspired her Frankenstein, the tale of the man-made monster galvanized into life by electricity.
This summer’s atrocious weather tempted me to tease a Green whom I know. “Well, what about your weather theory now?” (One of the characteristics of Greens is that they know no history.) He replied: “Yes, this weather is unprecedented. England has never had such an August before. It’s global warming, of course.” That’s the Greens’ stock response to anything weather-related. Too much sun? “Global warming.” Too little sun? “Global warming.” Drought? “Global warming.” Floods? “Global warming.” Freezing cold? “Global warming.”
I wish the great philosopher Sir Karl Popper were alive to denounce the unscientific nature of global warming. He was a student when Albert Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity was first published and then successfully tested. Einstein said that for his theory to be valid it would have to pass three tests. “If,” Einstein wrote to British scientist Sir Arthur Eddington, “it were proved that this effect does not exist in nature, then the whole theory would have to be abandoned.”
To Popper, this was a true scientific approach. “What impressed me most,” he wrote, “was Einstein’s own clear statement that he would regard his theory as untenable if it should fail in certain tests.” In contrast, Popper pointed out, there were pseudo-scientists, such as Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud. Marx claimed to be constructing a theory of scientific materialism based on scientific history and economic science. “Science” and “scientific” were words Marx used constantly. Far from formulating his theory with a high degree of scientific content and encouraging empirical testing and refutation, Marx made it vague and general. When evidence turned up that appeared to refute his theory, the theory was modified to accommodate the new evidence. It’s no wonder that when communist regimes applied Marxism it proved a costly failure.
Freud’s theories were also nonspecific, and he, too, was willing to adjust them to take in new science. We now know that many of Freud’s central ideas have no basis in biology. They were formulated before Mendel’s Laws were widely known and accepted and before the chromosomal theory of inheritance, the recognition of inborn metabolic errors, the existence of hormones and the mechanism of nervous impulse were known. As the scientist Sir Peter Medawar put it, Freud’s psychoanalysis is akin to mesmerism and phrenology; it contains isolated nuggets of truth, but the general theory as a whole is false.
The idea that human beings have changed and are changing the basic climate system of the Earth through their industrial activities and burning of fossil fuels–the essence of the Greens’ theory of global warming–has about as much basis in science as Marxism and Freudianism. Global warming, like Marxism, is a political theory of actions, demanding compliance with its rules.
Those who buy in to global warming wish to drastically curb human economic and industrial activities, regardless of the consequences for people, especially the poor. If the theory’s conclusions are accepted and agreed upon, the destructive results will be felt most severely in those states that adhere to the rule of law and will observe restrictions most faithfully. The global warming activists’ target is the U.S. If America is driven to accept crippling restraints on its economy it will rapidly become unable to shoulder its burdens as the world’s sole superpower and ultimate defender of human freedoms. We shall all suffer, however, as progress falters and then ceases and living standards decline.
Out of Balance
When I’m driving to my country home in Somerset, I pass two examples of the damage Greens can cause when their views are accepted and applied. Thanks to heavy government subsidies, many farmers switched from growing food to biofuel crops–perhaps the most expensive form of energy ever devised. The result has been a world shortage of food, with near starvation in some places, and a rise in the cost of food for everyone. We’re now getting wise to this ridiculous experiment; shares in biofuels have fallen, and farmers are switching back to their proper work. But the cost has been enormous.
The other thing I pass is a new windmill, spinning slowly around. Windmills were the great invention of the early Middle Ages–man harnessing nature and using it to replace muscle power. When I was a boy more than 70 years ago there were still a few windmills, but nobody doubted they were on their way out. The thought of going back to wind power would have seemed preposterous. Nevertheless, under pressure from Greens this has happened. Wind power is a grotesquely expensive and inefficient form of energy, and the new windmills are hideous things, ruining the landscape and making an infernal noise.
Marxism, Freudianism, global warming. These are proof–of which history offers so many examples–that people can be suckers on a grand scale. To their fanatical followers they are a substitute for religion. Global warming, in particular, is a creed, a faith, a dogma that has little to do with science. If people are in need of religion, why don’t they just turn to the genuine article?
A Must See – Go to YouTube and look at:
Democrats Defend Fannie/Freddie from Regulation
You will then understand why they are in trouble. The taxpayers should not have to bail out irresponsilbe people.
Wall Street disaster, housing meltdowns… How did we get to where we are today?
Lots of people keep asking “how could this happen?”. To find the answer, you must look back to the 1970’s.
If you bought a home or business before 1977, you did it the old fashioned way. This means that you had to have a 20% down payment, and had to produce proof of earnings. Your loan amount was based on your net income. If your payment would exceed 25 to 30 % of your net income, you simply did not qualify. Time to look for a more modest home.
Banks were responsible for the depositors funds, and were not likely to lend you any money on a property that was not going to accrue value. You could not get a loan on a property or business that was not going to be worth more than the value of the loan in a few years. This was simply responsible protection of the depositors investments. If you put money in a savings account at 3%, they loaned money on properties at 6%. If the mortgage holder defaulted, the bank could recover the investment by selling the property.
In 1977, the federal government passed the “Community Reinvestment Act” or CRA. The practice of protecting investors and banks by not loaning money on risky property had been given a new name – “Red Lining”. The federal government had bowed to the wishes of the liberals, and forced the banks & thrifts to loan money on property that could (and did) cost them money. Banks were forced to comply with the wishes of others, rather than the good financial strategies that had governed their actions for the better part of a century.
The next big change happened in 1995. The Clinton administration asked for (and got) sweeping revisions to the CRA. These revisions took effect 1/31/1995, and substantially increased both the number and value of loans to low income borrowers. The growth of lenders like Countrywide exploded. Companies like Countrywide are considered “secondary market” sources for mortgage loans. They do not stabilize loan risk with savings deposits like an ordinary bank would.
The Clinton revisions also allowed the “Securitization” of CRA loans with subprime mortgages. The first securitization of CRA loans happened in 1997 – at Bear Stearns. The fox was finally loose in the hen house. Securitization is simply bundling & re-packaging cash flow producing assets into securities – which are then sold to investors. No longer backed by savings, subprime mortgages flowed like water. “Stated income” or “No-Qual” loans became common. By the end of 2005, there was more than 8 TRILLION dollars in “securitized” debit, with more flooding in every day.
The stock market has been called the “world’s largest dice game” by some. Trading big pools of home mortgages, some of them full of near failure debit certainly qualifies for that title. Debit that was once handled by conservative bankers is now being tossed around by the party boys on Wall Street. The same kind of people that brought you Enron are in the driver’s seat.
So who started this mess?
Jimmy Carter. The same man that was responsible for the Savings & Loan meltdown. Carter opened the door by lifting the caps on S&L lending, and extending the FSLIC coverage. When Carter left office 3,300 of the 3,800 S&L’s in this country were losing money. Between the S&L regulations, and the CRA, he had laid the groundwork for this mess.
But the real damage was done by Bill Clinton. The sweeping overhaul of Carter’s CRA insured an eventual failure. Irresponsible mortgage practices had already been seen to be a disaster – the 1990-1991 recession was the result of the tinkering with the S&L’s. The inadequate net worth regulation that caused the S&L failures was completely ignored. So called “Credit Enhancement” allowed the securitization of mortgages that no investor would ordinarily touch.
In 2005 the Bush administration tried to overhaul the regulatory processes of the two giants guaranteeing the subprime loans – FannieMae & FreddieMac. He wanted to move supervision of the two entities under a new division at the US Treasury Department. This was opposed by people like Barney Frank (D-MA) and Mel Watt (D-NC), and generally along party lines. It eventually failed to go forward. This plan was probably “too little, too late” but might have cushioned the blow somewhat.
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Are you delusional or what, Sun? How many times has McCain voted against regulation in his 26 year political career?
The “trickle down” theory doesn’t work when everyone at the top is a greedy SOB with a mutimillion dollar salary. McCain wants even more tax breaks for them. Both democrats AND republicans have played a part in this mess, you really can’t point the finger at just one of the parties. It’s about greed and irresponsibility..and it happened on Bush’s watch and he saw it coming, which just demonstrates what an ineffective prez he was that he did nothing to try and stop it.
SSitl..cut me a break, how can you buy into that BS? For every Democrat some con wants to point the finger at…there are probably 10 Republicans who are just as guilty of this mess.
CAN SOMEBODY SSAY “KEATING FIVE”
or is that keating six?? LOL
wow sunflower5, That is a great find.
This is a must see video. It shows the Democrats in a state of denial about Fannie Mae, when they were repeatedly warned!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL36nwCSYUM
regardless of blame I am very happy it was defeated. Why should we have to be responsible to save wall street and the banks that engaged in questionable lending practices? As Ron Paul has been saying for months, let them fail. Yes, it will cause some economic disruption for a while, but this ‘bailout’ will only postpone and aggravate that disruption. An artificial “correction” of the marketplace will only make things worse eventually.
A bailout is a short term, bandaid that will not solve anything. The marketplace and time will correct itself.
This after the fact pointing fingers and playing the “blame game” is a waste of time–both here and in Congress. It happened…blaming someone after the fact is not going to change that. Get over yourselves, people..there is no ‘who was right and wrong’ on this one at this point.
“Yes, it will cause some economic disruption for a while,”
Maybe a decade or so like we are Japan in the 80s… great plan….
Thank you Regular. It was apparently over Mary’s head. LOL
What is simply amazing to me his how the Dims can be shown this CSPAN actual video’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL36nwCSYUM ,
taken live, and deny they caused this financial meltdown with Freddie and Fannie.
What incredible liars, just incredible!!!
Our incredible world. A cradle for life in a incredibly harsh universe. So many unlikely factors had to come together to form a planet that could support life. It is folly to think it was by chance. Here are two more factors:
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The presence of an “impossibly” large moon
The earth has a huge moon orbiting around it, which scientists now know 1) did not bulge off due to the earth’s high rotational speed and 2) could not have been captured by the earth’s gravity, due to the moon’s large mass. For further explanations, see “The scientific legacy of Apollo” (2). The best explanation (other than outright miracle) for the moon’s existence is that a Mars-sized planet crashed into the earth around 4.25 billion years ago (the age of the Moon). As you can imagine, the probability of two planets colliding in the same solar system is extremely remote. Any “normal” collision would not have resulted in the formation of the moon, since the ejecta would not have been thrown far enough from the earth to form the moon. The small planet, before it collided with the earth, must have had an unusually elliptical orbit (unlike the orbit of any other planet in the Solar System), which resulted in a virtual head-on collision. The collision of the small planet with the earth would have resulted in the ejection of 5 billion cubic miles of the earth’s crust and mantle into orbit around the earth. This ring of material, the theory states, would have coalesced to form the moon. In addition, the moon is moving away from the earth (currently at 2 inches per year), as it has been since its creation. If we calculate backwards we discover that the moon must have formed just outside the Roche limit, the point at which an object would be torn apart by the earth’s gravity (7,300 miles above the earth’s surface). A collision which would have ejected material less than the Roche limit would have formed only rings around the earth. Computer models show that a collision of a small planet with the earth must have been very precise in order for any moon to have been formed at all (coincidence or design?). (see What If the Moon Didn’t Exist?, by Neil F. Comins, professor of Astronomy and Physics).
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Unusually thin atmosphere
Why is the moon important to life on earth? The collision of the small planet with the earth resulted in the ejection of the majority of the earth’s primordial atmosphere. If this collision had not occurred, we would have had an atmosphere similar to that of Venus, which is 80 times that of the earth (equivalent to being one mile beneath the ocean). Such a thick atmosphere on Venus resulted in a runaway greenhouse affect, leaving a dry planet with a surface temperature of 800°F. The earth would have suffered a similar fate if the majority of its primordial atmosphere had not been ejected into outer space. In fact, the Earth is 20% more massive than Venus and further away from the Sun, both factors of which should have lead to a terrestrial atmosphere much thicker than that of Venus. For some strange reason, we have a very thin atmosphere – just the right density to maintain the presence of liquid, solid and gaseous water necessary to life (coincidence or design?).
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/designss.html
Dungflower–
Did you or did you not accuse Walt Chappell of listing endorsements that he had not receive?
Why, yes you did, in a post on an Eagle blog in response to a Letter to the Editor.
But I suppose when a person supports a candidate (Dennis Hedke) who wants to put creationism into the science curriculum, but refuses to be honest about it, that’s the kind of thing one does.
SSTL lies, “Lots of people keep asking ‘how could this happen?’. To find the answer, you must look back to the 1970’s.”
Bullshizen.
This didn’t happen thirty years ago.
It happened three to four years ago.
Because derivatives based on mortgage securities were totally unregulated.
Here’s the best explanation I’ve seen so far:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/AreWeHeadedForAnEpicBearMarket.aspx?page=2
This article was written a FULL YEAR AGO, and so far is right on the money.
“Without a central governmental authority keeping tabs on these cross-border flows and ensuring a standard of record-keeping and quality, investors increasingly didn’t know what they were buying or what any given security was really worth.
A painful unwinding
“Now here is where the U.S. mortgage holder shows up again. As subprime loan default rates doubled, in contravention of what the models forecast, the CDOs those mortgages backed began to collapse. Because they were so hard to value, banks and funds started looking at all CDOs and other paper backed by mortgages with suspicion, and refused to accept them as collateral for the sort of short-term borrowing that underpins today’s money markets.
The killer line is this one “When you add it all up, according to Das’ research, a single dollar of ‘real’ capital supports $20 to $30 of loans. This spiral of borrowing on an increasingly thin base of real assets, writ large and in nearly infinite variety, ultimately created a world in which derivatives outstanding earlier this year stood at $485 trillion — or eight times total global gross domestic product of $60 trillion.”
LET THAT SINK IN . . . the amount of outstanding bad debt is EIGHT TIMES all the wealth 6 billion people on earth produce in a year.
That amount of bad debt cannot possibly be blamed on “greedy” homeowners who couldn’t manage their personal finance.
The CONs just have no idea of the monster they created with “deregulation.”
This is the S&L crisis, and the junk bond crisis, and the hedge fund crisis, and the Enron crisis rolled into one.
TIMES ONE THOUSAND.
TIAHRT: “This is a plan crafted by Washington insiders to give money we cannot afford to greedy people who live the lifestyle of the rich and famous.
“I cannot support a sell-out plan that throws our money at a problem without addressing the reasons our markets are in this situation. ”
Addressing the reasons like better regulation?”
Oh those greedy evil-doers!
What an juvenile explanation, Mr Tiahrt.
“Greedy people who live the lifestyle of the rich and famous.” HA!
Reaching out to the stupid are you?
The Republicans had a controlling majority when “in 2005 the Bush administration tried to overhaul the regulatory processes “
The deeper we get into this ‘financial crisis’ or ‘credit crisis’ the more I’m convinced it is little more than a democrat political ploy.
The democrats are responsible for this mess and it will go away after the election in November no matter what congress does.
Congress is out of town today and the DOW is up 200n points. The Asian markets never dropped like promised Sunday midnight. The European markets are coming back.
Congress should stay out of town until the markets recover.
Good post, David.
This is especially galling since Tiahrt has been part of the party that services the needs of the “rich and famous.”
See Dick Cheney, Jack Abramoff, Ken Lay, the Koch Bros., Richard Mellon Scaife, Rupert Murdoch, etc etc.
Boy . . . it sure got quiet from Dungflower5.
“This is especially galling since Tiahrt has been part of the party that services the needs of the “rich and famous.”
See Dick Cheney, Jack Abramoff, Ken Lay, the Koch Bros., Richard Mellon Scaife, Rupert Murdoch, etc etc.”
Wow. Should I list all the Democratic party rich and famous? Starting with Kerry?
gimme a break.
How many houses do McCain and his beer-baroness wife own?
gimme a break
Tanker Todd finally got the 777 yesterday, drop in the DOW, that is!
It would take “only” $100,000,000.00 to “bail out” everyone who has a mortgage right now. What’s the other $600 Billion for?
Mccain could say I feel the drop in home values, ten fold of the American people.
How is Obama going to get his tax money now to pay for all his hand-out programs?
To pay off all the gambling and derivatives maybe?
With values declining by the day, we’re in a downward spiral, with ever increasing speed.
True, LJ, there are rich Dems.
However, they usually don’t help the rich get richer at the expense of the rest of us.
They keep dragging out four and five year old videos and interviews and pretend the financial situation THEN was the same as is is now after 4 or 5 years of anti-regulation Bush appointees failing to do their duty…
sorry, one hundred billion…
Let those with ears, hear. Let those with eyes, see.
The loan/mortgage terms were set by the free markets ‘industry standards’, unregulated, gone wild. You reap what you sow.
Will Todd reinvent himself as a regulator maverick, maybe Roberts will do the same. But they have all that damn history!
Like I say, It’s a perfect Republican plan:
Bankrupt the country, then turn it over to the Democrats. They’ll spend 3 years just repairing the damage left behind.
No healthcare improvements.
No infrastructure rebuilding.
No rebuilding of military readiness.
No soup for you!
CapnAmerica
Posted September 30, 2008 at 9:26 am | Permalink
True, LJ, there are rich Dems.
However, they usually don’t help the rich get richer at the expense of the rest of us.
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I disagree. They are part and parcel of the same bunch. They could give one whit about you, or anybody else. You are simply a pawn to be played in the game of getting control. I am sure I could find plenty of examples. Not that the Republicans are any better. I just believe that We the People, in order to form a more perfect Union, have to quit looking with partisan eyes, take back our Congress and our country from both parties. As long as they can divide us with the Red/Blue Democrat/Repoublican bs, they continue to get away with the crap they do.
The repubs. used to use a similar ploy of spending all the money, or creating huge deficits in defense, then try and cut social spending. Same song different verse.
Phantom, check your prodigy email account, please.
WHO will have the intellectual honesty to agree with this article? Part I.
http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/09/30/featured-commentary-wheres-a-good-party/2247/
In a nutshell, the parties don’t stand for any clear-cut principles or practices.
The traditional wisdom, of course, is that Democrats hold the rich to their obligations to the little guy, oppose unnecessary war and want a sustainable, pleasant planet earth.
Republicans are supposed to believe in an independent mindset that thrives in a free marketplace unfettered by intrusive government. They are “fiscal conservatives,” advocates of a government run like a frugal household in which expenditures do not exceed income, and they believe in “family values” (a vague concept involving caring about one’s family).
It’s all bunk. Neither party represents any of those things.
How do we know what the Democrats believe?
They’re never in a position to pass anything.
WHO will have the intellectual honesty to agree with this article? Part II.
http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/09/30/featured-commentary-wheres-a-good-party/2247/
Let’s start with the saintly Democrats. I trace my own disillusionment with the Democratic Party, and the two-party system, to 1964, when I voted for Democrat Lyndon Johnson to keep out war-monger Republican Barry Goldwater, only to see Johnson bomb Hanoi for three years. Now, of course, it’s Bush the warmonger in Iraq, but, as many Americans have noticed, the Democratic controlled Congress did nothing to stop the war. After all, the prominent Democratic movers and shakers (including Joe Biden), voted in 2002 to empower Bush to start it. True, Obama did not vote for the Iraq War Resolution , but he didn’t vote against it either, not being in the Senate at the time, and he did next to nothing as a senator to stop the war. Are we to accept him as anti-Iraq war simply because he’s a Democrat and he says he’s anti-Iraq war?
As for Democrats caring about the little guy in his struggle against corporate bullies, give me a break! The Denver convention’s $55 million cost was covered by 60 big corporations, all of them seeking legislative favor, both tax and regulatory. Here’s the short list (per the Center for Responsive Politics and ABC News, which was barred from covering the lavish corporate parties for delegates): AT&T, Qwest, Comcast, Motorola, Medtronic, Lilly, Merc, United Health Group, Us Bank, Wells Fargo, State farm, Allstate, Visa, Coca-cola, Coors and Lockheed Martin. Did you hear anything in Obama’s acceptance speech about this? Did it seem to bother him that insurance companies underwrote his kickoff to a campaign promising universal health care?
WHO will have the intellectual honesty to agree with this article? Part III.
http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/09/30/featured-commentary-wheres-a-good-party/2247/
Now to the Republicans. Upholders of the ideal of self-reliance and the free marketplace? Hardly. Republicans invented corporate welfare, exemplified in the obscene handouts to Dick Cheney’s friends at Haliburton. Nor does the Administration’s now unfolding bailout of troubled financial giants exemplify frugality. These firms got into trouble by bilking the public. Now, at a cost of staggering debt, the government will maintain the firms, give golden parachutes to the CEO’s who presided over the rip-offs, and lavish lip-service on a public that twists in the wind. It’s yet another indicator of the collapse of clear party lines that it’s the Republicans who are putting up the strongest resistance to the Republican administration’s bailout, not the Democrats or Obama
Adherents of “family values”? Although it’s unclear what the phrase means, we can guess it has something to do with fidelity, sexual orientation, divorce, pregnancy, and child rearing. Does one really need to list all the prominent Republicans who have nothing special to claim in these areas? At least the Democrats tend to leave the subject alone.
At the Republican convention there were attempts to tack on additional meaning to “Republicanism.” The convention theme was “Country First!” The obvious question is, what’s second? People? The concept needs fleshing out. There was also a hue and cry asserting that McCain and Sarah Palin will “shake up Washington” and “make America rich, not the special interests.” A paradoxical quest, though, when you consider that ABC’s Brian Ross had the same difficulty covering the “wild whirl of corporate and lobbyist-paid parties” at the Republican convention that he had at the Democratic. Which special interests are in for a shaking? Perhaps not the National Rifle Association, Lockheed Martin and the American Trucking Association, which, per Ross, treated Republican delegates to a “raucous six-hour party at a downtown bar featuring music by the band Hookers and Blow.”
One should add that both parties are bending over backwards to be first in breaching gender and race barriers and to claim the cachet of “Defender of Civil Rights.” For reasons detailed above I’m not rejoicing at Obama, and when you take a good look at Palin you suddenly forget how excited you were that she’s a woman. From her facile threat to go to war with Russia over Georgia to indications of a highly vindictive nature, she is unsettling. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that minority and female candidates who are tricky and unreliable do not count as civil rights breakthroughs.
With the Republicans and Democrats straying so much from their stated missions, it’s inevitable that many people will wonder why we don’t have a third (or should I say, second?) viable party. We’ve certainly got cause and a mission: to represent truth in labeling against false advertising. It’s clearly too late for ’08. Not too late, maybe, for ’12.
LJ–
“we need to take back our Congress and our country from both parties”
How in the hell are you going to do that?
We’ve got a two party system.
How many members of Congress don’t belong to the Dems or the Repubs? The only one I can think of is Bernie Sanders. Oh, and Joe Lieberman, but that’s just because he lost the Dem primary.
What you are talking about is as close to impossible as anything I can imagine.
CapnAmerica
Posted September 30, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink
How do we know what the Democrats believe?
They’re never in a position to pass anything.
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Ahhh, the partisan excuses start so soon!
It’s much more realistic to work at the local level for the party that represents you the most and try to transform it from the inside out.
Mr. Price says,
Congress is out of town today and the DOW is up 200n points
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That’s the rich oil Sheiks buying up distressed US assets for pennies on the dollar.
Just think soon we will be doing bizness according to Sharia law. Karma’s a b#tch ain’t it.
“Greedy people who live the lifestyle of the rich and famous.”
That’s Thiart for ya, always talking about himself.
What with Annie’s “Shiek’s buying up US assets for pennies on the dollar” and CapnA’s “A thousand times worse than the S&L crisis, and the junk bond crisis, and the hedge fund crisis, and the Enron crisis rolled into one”; I think we have our drama queen candidates.
No more entries please.
Quote from Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
just for you outie
“Just think soon we will be doing bizness according to Sharia law. Karma’s a b#tch ain’t it.”
hehehe
You’ll be the one in the burka, darling.
nitwit
CapnAmerica
Posted September 30, 2008 at 9:42 am | Permalink
How do we know what the Democrats believe?
They’re never in a position to pass anything.
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Cap you say the dims can’t do anything now that they have the majority because ‘_______________’. You said they couldn’t do anything when in the minority because ‘_______________’. Just fill in the blanks. They are ineffective in the minority and the majority. When will we stop making excuses for the politicans in both parties who go to Washington and do nothing but spend money?
If we don’t do anything, we will be worse than 1929.
Havent’ heard a single soul saying that if we do fork over $700 billion + that anything will change.
What is hysterical is everyone focuses on the $700 billion.
1) That is the most that can be out at any given time.
2) This is an endless feeding trough. Read it.
3) How many BILLIONS have already been handed out?
4) What effect has that had on the market?
“You’ll be the one in the burka, darling”
What do you think blue or black?
Might be a good time to increase the size of your goat herd
Peace be with you,Hank Abu Bakr Price
((((( The “trickle down” theory doesn’t work when everyone at the top is a greedy SOB with a mutimillion dollar salary. McCain wants even more tax breaks for them. Both democrats AND republicans have played a part in this mess, you really can’t point the finger at just one of the parties. It’s about greed and irresponsibility..and it happened on Bush’s watch and he saw it coming, which just demonstrates what an ineffective prez he was that he did nothing to try and stop it.)))))
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DANG !!!!! IF Mary_Caruso COULD GET ALL THAT ON A BUMPER STICKER, SHE’D BE A HAPPY GIRL – DELUSIONAL BUT HAPPY — LOL — IT’S NICE TO SEE THAT THE “NEW-DEMOCRATIC-CONGRESS” IS LIVING UP TO THEIR 10% APPROVAL RATING — ROTFL
” IT’S NICE TO SEE THAT THE “NEW-DEMOCRATIC-CONGRESS” IS LIVING UP TO THEIR 10% APPROVAL RATING ”
Hey we got the price of gas down
hehehe
“Might be a good time to increase the size of your goat herd”
I’ll have some of them at WoofStock on Saturday, doing demonstrations and herding instinct tests.
Unfortunately, My goat herd will have to stay the same size it is for the winter. It has the same problem the democrats in congress have. Not a set of nuts in the bunch.
The LA Times reports:
Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago — about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct — the teacher said.
“she saw the photos!”
Not a set of nuts in the bunch.
Gee I can think of two just off the top of my head….
Like this Democrat?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6943992
DavidB
Posted September 30, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink
Like this Democrat?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6943992
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This link says all you need to know about DavidB and his ilk.
See the anger and hate up close.
See the glaring lies – and note no sources were cited!
P U R E
P R O P A G A N D A
And the glaring idiots believe the crap they read on this web site.
Today’s Headline’s Show We Are All Screwed. Might as well just party until THE END.
http://www.foxnews.com
–Scientists: Climate-Change ‘Time Bomb’ About to Go Off Tuesday, September 30, 2008
–Mysterious Cargo Aboard Iranian Ship Seized by Pirates Raises WMD Concerns Tuesday, September 30, 2008
–Bush: Action — or Else
Clearly disappointed Bush warns of ‘painful, lasting’ damage if $700B bailout doesn’t pass, says ‘Congress must act’
–The End Is Near: U.S. Can’t Stop ‘Doomsday Machine’
–Pastor Chas Confesses: There Is No God
http://www.cagw.org/site/DocServer/Senate_-_alpha.pdf?docID=3023
2008 Earmarks and dollar amounts requested
Biden 70 $119.7
McCain 0 $0.0
Obama 53 $97.4
Good website with actual information. Make up your own minds.
Of course Palin didn’t ask for any earmarks either as some leftie up thread indicated she did.
Scuttlebutt has it that the Obama leftists are planning for an October and November surprise of the dirtiest kind.
Rumor has it that Soros and some Hollyfornians are behind the schemes.
Thanks okobserver. From my observations, you might want to post that link on a different blog. Not too much interest in factual information here.
Phantom
Posted September 30, 2008 at 9:30 am | Permalink
The loan/mortgage terms were set by the free markets ‘industry standards’, unregulated, gone wild. You reap what you sow.
Will Todd reinvent himself as a regulator maverick, maybe Roberts will do the same. But they have all that damn history!
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To call what we have a “Free Market” is absurd on the face of it.
You cannot have a central bank that controls our currency in a free market. They are incompatible.
If you’d like to say that our centrally planned economy needed regulation, that is fine, but do not insult our intelligence by calling America a free market.
It is pretty clear that yesterday proved beyond a doubt that we don’t have a free market. Did everyone notice the drop in commodities and the strengthening of our dollar this morning?
Prices will fall as long as we stop creating more FIAT money out of thin air.
Glaring lies? Is it not true the Earth is 6,000 years old?
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story
Does she or does she not believe it?
LA Times ain’t reference enough? Meet Google! Google is your information friend.
I just thought you should see one of the “Democrats with no ‘nuts’” which I guess the posters mean to include the war veterans who are Democrats… like Max Cleland..
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Cleland May he does not have any nuts, maybe he lost them with the 3 limbs…
I didn’t know I had an ilk!
Glaring lies? Is it not true the Earth is 6,000 years old?
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story
Does she or does she not believe it?
LA Times ain’t reference enough? Meet Google! Google is your information friend.
I just thought you should see one of the “Democrats with no ‘nuts’” which I guess the posters mean to include the war veterans who are Democrats… like Max Cleland..
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Cleland May he does not have any nuts, maybe he lost them with the 3 limbs…
I didn’t know I had an ilk!
I have read the comments on right wing blogs you guys read … and they ARE always filled with Christian love and respect for their political opponents to their left…
Never a personal insult or unkind word….
(HA!)
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers,’ he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. ‘Drinks
for the ten now cost just $80.The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about! the other six men – the paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33.
But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 ( 22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’ declared the sixth man.
He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10! ”Yea, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man.
‘I only saved a dollar, too.. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!
”That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man.
‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two?
The wealthy get all the breaks!
”Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!
‘The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man (the richest) didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between
all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax! system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
Equally appropropriate:
A young teenage girl was about to finish her first year of college. She considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat but her father was a rather staunch Republican.
One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to taxes and welfare programs. He stopped her and asked her how she was doing in school.
She answered that she had a 4.0 GPA but it was really tough. She had to study all the time, never had time to go out and party. She didn’t have time for a boyfriend and didn’t really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying.
He asked, “How is your friend Mary.” She replied that Mary was barely getting by. She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, but was very popular on campus, went to all the parties all the time. Why she often didn’t show up for classes because she was hung over.
Dad then asked his daughter why she didn’t go to the Dean’s office and ask why she couldn’t take 1.0 off her 4.0 and give it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a 3.0 GPA.
The daughter angrily fired back, “That wouldn’t be fair, I worked really hard for mine and Mary has done nothing”.
The father slowly smiled and said, “Welcome to the Republican Party”.
hmmmmmmmm…………..
ABC News reports:
In 2007, Wall Street’s five biggest firms — Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley — paid a record $39 billion in bonuses to themselves.
That’s $10 billion more than the $29 billion loan taxpayers are making to J.P. Morgan to save Bear Stearns.
Those 2007 bonuses were paid even though the shareholders in those firms last year collectively lost about $74 billion in stock declines — their worst year since 2002.
These company executives are still fiercely fighting to protect their pay. Politico notes that the Bush Treasury Department is “resisting efforts” by House Democrats “to impose pay limits on Wall Street executives and bankers.
It is time to Abolish the Federal Reserve System.
If it has not been proven to you yet that they are the cause of the problem, I don’t know any other way to explain it to you.
Just look around you at the economy and other American’s. The blame falls squarely on their shoulders.
Support H.R. 2755. Now is the time when it is most vulnerable to deliver the final blow to them.
This explains a lot:
The History of a Financial Disaster
1997
Fannie Mae is a GSE (Govt. Sponsored Entity) regulated by Congress.
Fannie Mae buys mortgages from other companies.
It is backed by the taxpayers for all losses, but keeps all profits.
President Clinton loosens Home Loan Requirements.
1998
Banks begin making thousands of bad loans,0 down, no documentation, for 120%! (1998 – 2008).
Executives at Fannie receive huge bonuses if loan targets are met.
Franklin Raines and Jamie Garelick from the Clinton Administration are appointed to run Fannie Mae.
2003
President Bush proposes a new oversight committee to clean up Fannie Mae, but Democrats derail the effort.
Rep. Melvyn Watt, (D-NC) Committee on Financial Institutions & Consumer Credit. stated, “I don’t see much other than weakening the bargaining power poorer families to get affordable housing.”
1999 – 2004
Raines earns $100 million in bonuses.
Garelick earns $75 million in bonuses.
In 2004, Enron collapses, congress investigates, Executives Skilling & Lay go to jail, for fraudulent bookkeeping.
Congress responds with the Sorbanes-Oxley Act, more heavy regulation of corporations.
2004
An OMB investigation finds massive fraudulent bookkeeping at Fannie Mae.
False numbers triggered executive bonuses every year.
Congress holds no hearings, no one goes to jail, or is punished.
WHY NOT?
1999 -2005
Fannie Mae gives millions to Democratic causes, examples: Jesse Jackson & ACORN.
Fannie Mae pays millions to 354 congressmen and senators, from both parties.
Who got the most money?
Top 4 Recipients
#1 Sen. Christopher Dodd, (D-CT) Chairman of the Banking, Housing, & Urban Affairs Committee
#2 Sen. Barack Obama, (D-IL)
Federal Financial Management Committee
Top 4 Recipients
#3 Sen. Chuck Schumer, (D-NY)
Chairman of the Finance Committee
#4 Rep. Barney Frank, (D-MA)
Chairman of the House Financial Services Committe
2005
Franklin Raines & top execs are forced to resign from Fannie Mae.
They do not go to jail.
There is no media “perp. walk.”
They keeps all of their bonuses
They finally pay $31.4 million in civil fines.
2005
The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act is sponsored by:
#325 Sen. John McCain, (R-AZ)
Armed Services, & Commerce, Science, & Transportation
“If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.”
2005
None of the top 4 recipients support the legislation.
The reform act is blocked by Democrats, never even making it out of committee.
None of the politicians return any of the money, tainted by fraud.
2008
Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac go bankrupt and the govt. takes them over completely.
Lehman Brothers, goes bankrupt from investing in bad mortgages.
AIG get $85 million in loan guarantees, after insuring bad loans & projects.
Taxpayers will ultimately pay BILLIONS.
2008
Franklin Raines is now an advisor to the Obama Campaign which wants the govt. to take over more of the economy.
Did government involvement in the mortgage market work out?
How will even MORE government involvement make it better? Do you want to be Sweden?
McCain favors revising regulations & loan standards, selling off Fannie & Freddie.
SOURCES
Congressional Record, 5/25/06
“Hannity & Colmes,” Fox News, 9/16-9/17/08
Herald Tribune, 4/18/08
New York Times, 9/13/03
http://www. govtrack.com, 9/17/08
I don’t see how people think that Obama can solve this economic crisis when it was his friends at Fannie and Freddy that got us into this mess in the first place.
CapAss – I have not talked about his endorsements. I did talk about the lack of proof that he has done all of the things that he says he has done.
Some of the states were contacted and had no information on him helping them with anything at all.
He should probably supply data to support what he says he has done not just say it.
Perhaps his real problem is that he cannot keep a steady job? That would be the dimo way in your opinion.
CapAss – his endorsements are all lib dimos except one. What a surprise? All dimos get those so they are not big deal. Did notice that he does not say what local school board members.
His ENDORSEMENTS:
KSBOE CHAIRMAN – Dr. Bill Wagnon
KSBOE MEMBER – Ms. Janet Waugh
MEMBERS OF WICHITA USD259 SCHOOL BOARD
UNITED TEACHERS OF WICHITA
KANSAS NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION
WICHITA/HUTCHINSON LABOR FEDERATION
KANSAS ALLIANCE FOR EDUCATION
KANSAS FAMILIES FOR EDUCATION
MAINSTREAM COALITION
KANSAS DYSLEXIA COALITION
KANSAS SIERRA CLUB
If he has the Dyslexia Coalitions group they just don’t know how crazy he really is. Did he tell them how “all white people should be a slave for a year to know what it is like to be black” (Walt comment to the WPD)
The country is in the middle of a huge finacial crisis.
If we don’t get anything done immediately it will be a disaster for our country.
We can not do anything without republican support.
We will use this as a political opportunity to slam republicans.
We will stress again how critical it is this bill pass.
We will call for a vote knowing it will fail.
We will then blame the republicans.
We will take a couple of days off…….
Now THAT is TRUE leadership.
Thanks Nancy.
Thanks Barney.
Thanks Harry.
sunflower —-
WHICH party controlled Congress during each of the years you listed, except for 2008??
That 2005 bill that never made it out of Committee??? WHICH party had the Chair of that committee, and the majority of members??
HINT: It wasnt the Democrats…
THUS — If that 2005 bill that never made it out of committee, had a majority of Republicans, AND a Republican Chair… How the HELL can you possibly claim that the democrats derailed it?? Hmmmm???
The simplistic CRAP here is getting really OLD… really fast…
Since the majority of that 2005 committee was Republican, even if the Democrats ALL voted against it, it would have passed…
Conclusion: There were Republicans that voted NOT to send the bill forward… Which means it was REPUBLICANS that prevented that 2005 bill to the floor!!
Chas is a troll!!
Re: Chas,
DFTT!!!!
Interesting — Limbaugh is standing AGAINST all of the millions of people who called and emailed their representatives and said they were against the Bailout!!
And he claims, as always, HE is right… and all of those MILLIONS of Americans are WRONG!!!
Absolutely amazing the pompousity of this CLOWN….
–Pastor Chas Confesses: There Is No God
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He’s been doing that for years!
biased1 — Pelosi voted FOR the bailout!!
Chas, I don’t know WTF your talking about.
“For every person you hear saying this bailout is going to strengthen the market, it’s the exact opposite. The market’s not being allowed to work here because the losers haven’t been flushed out.”-Rush
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092908/content/01125100.guest.html
Maybe your just an idiot.
your=you’re
66% of Republicans voted AGAINST the Bailout
40% of Democrats voted AGAINST the Bailout
The Bailout was a travesty on the American people!!
Walt is such a great dimo:
— On Thu, 8/7/08, Walt Chappell wrote:
From: Walt Chappell
Subject: RE: Campaign & Gail Finney
To: “‘Kelly W. Johnston’”
Cc: “Gail Finney” , marge@vaughan1.net, “Cathy Wilheim” , “John Carmichael” , “Diane Britton” , oletha84th@aol.com, “Donald Betts”
Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:26 PM
Hello Kelly,
Thank you for your support and interest in my campaign. I am using the full month of August to raise $25,000, plus firm up endorsements. This includes phone calls, letters to key contributors, private meetings with various organizations and coalition building. Now that the Primary is over, more people are coming forward.
I am not clear about your question regarding “injecting” myself into “the dispute between Inga Taylor and Gail Finney. The voters made their choice on August 5th.
Gail forwarded the email she received on August 2nd to me and others with the simple 3 letter phrase “FYI”. It had very factual information which checked out. It should be concerning to anyone interested in fair, open and equal elections. That is why we have an Ethics Commission and the financial reporting deadlines –BEFORE the Primary and General Election—so people in Kansas know who is funding candidates and their opponents.
Gail then asked that I forwarded this information to other leaders who may also be concerned about the efforts of a single issue, out-of-state PAC trying to buy the election for their candidate. I did that.
Were you aware that Tom Witt is behind this effort to buy this election for his LGBT PAC? It has been reported that he started as Inga’s Campaign Manager. Here is the quote from their website to get out-of-state LGBT supporters to contribute.
‘This year, we have a good chance to replace several adversarial Democratic and Republican legislators with Democrats who support the Kansas LGBT community. Even more exciting is the fact that this may be the year that an open Lesbian is elected to the Kansas Legislature.’
Tom was replaced by the Victory Fund managers. They then paid John Smallwood from Birmingham, AL to come to Wichita to run her campaign. They also spent $5,000 with GMT Strategies in Lansing, MI for mailings, and paid The Chadderdon Group in Arlington, Virginia $1,800 for 2,000 printed brochures. The Pol Arts group in New Orleans spent $10,380.74 on GOTV calls, paid canvassers, and ground staff as of 7/29/08.
Who are these groups and why were they so interested in getting Inga elected to the Kansas Legislature? Do they even know where the 84th District is or what issues are important to the people who live there?
The Kansans for a Diverse Voice at the Table is actually in Washington, D.C. They are not IN KANSAS!!! They spent $6,610.60 on Inga’s campaign. Of that amount, $5,870 was spent by Mundy Katowitz Media, Inc. in Washington, DC on radio ads for Inga. This PAC calls this their “They won’t know what hit them” strategy.
The bottom line is that this PAC and their supporters dumped nearly $34,000 into Inga’s campaign. Of that amount, $18,000 was not reported on her financial report filed July 28th. Only $1,635 were contributed from Wichita and other Kansas residents. (See the attached finance reports submitted by Inga’s campaign and this outside PAC.)
It is not time to “shoot the messengers”. All that Gail, I or any other people who learned of this attempt to “buy” a seat in the Kansas Legislature did was share the facts. I realize that you have been very busy with other campaigns, but this tactic is similar to what Big Coal special interests did all during the last Legislative Session—use out-of-state money and their hired lobbyists to try to force their one issue on the people of Kansas.
The voters of the 84th District have chosen their Representative. The tactics used by Tom Witt and the Victory Fund did not work.
Now it is up to our Democratic Party to learn from this experience and move forward. We can not be taken over by such devious behavior by ANY special interest group.
The vicious attacks on Gail Finney, the threatening phone calls she received and election day disruptions at the polls by Inga’s paid staffers are appalling. Gail is to be applauded for running her campaign on the issues important to her constituents. She and everyone else who stood up for justice and open campaign finance disclosures are to be commended.
Your leadership is needed to support Gail and make it clear that such campaign sneak attacks are not how Democrats in Sedgwick County are to get elected or serve the people they represent. Please read the attached files to verify the facts and then take appropriate action to keep this from happening again.
Respectfully yours,
Walt Chappell, Ph.D.–Candidate
Kansas State Board of Education
Box 776, Wichita, KS 67201
(316)838-7900(P) / (316)838-7779(F)
ChappellHQ@chappell4ksboe.com
http://www.chappell4ksboe.com
INTERESTING INFORMATION FROM Kansas Meadowlark dated Aug. 1, 2008:
D.C. LGBT group “buying” State Rep District 84 for Inga Taylor in Wichita
Gail Finney (left) will be facing an uphill battle against her opponent, Inga Taylor (below), to represent Kansans in State Rep District 84 in Wichita/Sedgwick County, which is currently represented by Oletha Faust-Goudeau.
On Tuesday a DC group called Kansans for a Diverse Voice at the Table formed a new PAC with a Washington, D.C. address. According to their Statement of Organization the group is affiliated with the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund in Washington, D.C.
Yesterday, in one of the new “last minute” reports of Kansas campaign money, Kansans for a Diverse Voice at the Table, reports independent expenditures of $12,180 to help Inga Taylor in defeating Gail Finney.
Saturday Update (8/2): Kansans for a Diverse Voice at the Table spends another $6,610 in helping Inga against Gail.
This Democratic Party intra-mural contest in State Rep 84 is a bit unusual. Finney is the Vice-Chair of the Sedgwick County Democratic Party, and serves on the Kansas African American Affairs Commission. Finney would seem to be the “mainstream” Democratic Party candidate, but apparently she is not far enough left for other Democrats.
Inga Taylor
Inga Taylor was the first to file for the State Rep 84 position, and reported a modest $375 in the bank in her Jan. 2008 report.
In her July 2008 report, Taylor reported a very respectable $16,443 in contributions, $12,953 in expenditures, with $3864 in the bank. Finney only showed $6451 in contributions, $5345 in expenditures, and only had $1195 in the bank. Taylor had a clear money lead based on her July report.
Why with a clear money lead by Taylor, is a D.C. LGBT group forming and dumping a huge amount of money into this race?
________________________________________
Statement of Organization
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Last Minute Report
Update (Saturday 8/2)
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Gail Finney’s July contributors mostly consisted of a number of PACs:
$500 PAC contributions to Finney:
• Pipefitters Local Union No. 533,
• Kansans for Lifesaving Cures PAC,
• Greater Kansas City Chamber’s Life Sciences Fund
$250 PAC contributions to Finney:
• KNEA’s Kansas Political Action Committee,
• Kansas Contractors Association,
• Kansas Association of Homes and Services for the Aging (KAHSA)
$200 PAC contributions to Finney:
• Anheuser-Busch Companies,
• Gaches, Braden, Barbee & Assoc (lobbyists)
None of Finney’s itemized contributors were from District 84.
Taylor reported eight contributors from District 84, but many more contributors from outside her district in Kansas. Taylor’s Kansas contributors were from a number of other State Rep Districts, including Districts 7, 21, 27, 53, 68, 75, 83(4), 85, 86(2), 87, 89(5), 90, 92, 95(2), 96, 97, 98, 100(4), 103(21), 105(2), 116.
Notable liberal Kansas contributors to Inga Taylor’s campaign included:
• Michael Bayouth, Wichita, Mainstream Coalition and ProKanDo Contributor
• Margaret Childs, Lawrence, Lawrence Chapter of Kansas Equality Coalition, MoveOn contributor
• Geraldine Flaharty, Wichita, former State Rep 98, ProKanDo contributor
• Charles Jenney, Wichita, former Democratic candidate for the State Rep 99
• Linda Joslin, Wichita, former Wichita NOW president, former ProKanDo treasurer and volunteer coordinator
• Kelly Parks, Valley Center, County Commissioner (Republican)
• Dee Stuart, Park City, Mayor of Park City
• Fern VanGieson, ProKanDo contributor
Taylor received contributions from a number of states, including: AL(2), AZ(4), CA(17), CO, DC(17), FL(5), GA(9), LA, MA(3), MD(2), MN(2), NJ(2), NY(8), OR, PA, SC, TN(2), TX(11), VA, VT
The Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund endorsed Taylor:
In anticipation of her Aug. 5 election, Victory endorsee Inga Taylor has been campaigning hard to win a seat in the Kansas House of Representatives. Her election would take Kansas off the list of states with no gay representation in the legislature.
Once elected, Inga would not only become the state’s only LGBT representation in the House of Representatives, she would become the only openly lesbian African American state legislator in the United States — an incredible milestone.
Over the years Inga has had an influential role on the Kansas community. She has served as a scribe for the Council of Elders and a court-appointed guardian for individuals with disabilities. In addition, she is a member of groups like N.O.W (National Organization for Women), N.A.A.C.P (National Organization for the Advancement of Colored People) and the Democratic Federation of Women. She also serves an active member on the Kansas Minority Advisory Committee, which focuses on HIV/AIDS in the African-American Community.
Inga has also served as a prominent voice for the LGBT community. She is extremely active in the statewide LGBT organization K.E.C (Kansas Equality Coalition). She also actively participated in the campaign to help defeat the same-sex marriage amendment in 2004. Inga attended the Gay & Lesbian Leadership Institute’s Candidate & Campaign Training in Portland, Oregon in 2007.
The Kansas LGBT Democratic Caucus also endorsed Taylor. From their endorsement:
‘This year, we have a good chance to replace several adversarial Democratic and Republican legislators with Democrats who support the Kansas LGBT community. Even more exciting is the fact that this may be the year that an open Lesbian is elected to the Kansas Legislature.’
The Kansas LGBT Democratic Caucus also endorsed Kelly Kultala over Mark Gilstrap in the Senate District 5. [See Meadowlark article: Kansas Democrats to spend another $22,000 to take out Democrat incumbent Senator Gilstrap.]
If elected mostly with D.C. LGBT money, whom will Taylor really represent in the Kansas legislature?
According to the Wichita Eagle:
With no Republican candidate in the race, whoever wins this contest will likely take the seat.
Update (Aug 6): Finney beats Taylor in 84th House District.
CapAss you must be so proud of little Walt. LOL
Chas
Posted September 30, 2008 at 1:37 pm | Permalink
66% of Republicans voted AGAINST the Bailout
40% of Democrats voted AGAINST the Bailout
Chas
Posted September 30, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
The Bailout was a travesty on the American people!!
Conclusion (according to Chas) Republicans save the day!!!
L J — in this case — RIGHT!!!
Dang Chas, you may not be as stupid as I once thought.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
The U.S. Geological Service issued a report in April (’08) that only scientists and oilmen knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn’t been updated since ‘95) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota; western South Dakota; and extreme eastern Montana … check THIS out:
The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska ’s Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable… at $107.00 a barrel, we’re looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.
How about paying off our NATIONAL DEBT !
‘When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.’ says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature’s financial analyst.
‘This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years,’ reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It’s a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the ‘Bakken.’ And it stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada . For years, U.S.oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the ‘Big Oil’ companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken’s massive reserves… and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!
That’s enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 41 years straight.
And if THAT didn’t throw you on the floor, then this next one should – because it’s from TWO YEARS AGO, people! U.S.Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World!
Stansberry Report Online – 4/20/2006 Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction.
They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than
all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official
estimates:
-8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
-18-times as much oil a s Iraq
-21-times as much oil as Kuwait
-22-times as much oil as Iran
-500-times as much oil as Yemen- and it’s all right here in the Western United States.
HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this!? Because the Democrats, environmentalists and left wing republicans have blocked all efforts to help America becomes independent of foreign oil.
James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we’ve got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels. Untapped. That’s more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.
Don’t think ‘OPEC’ will drop its price – even with this find? Think again! It’s all about the competitive marketplace, – it has to.
ANTI
Posted September 30, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
–Pastor Chas Confesses: There Is No God
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He’s been doing that for years!
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I suppose you think you have some PROOF of that gross LIE???
“I suppose you think you have some PROOF of that gross LIE???”-Chas
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WE Blog.
Boxlock, let’s drill the piss out of it!
ANTI = LYING SOB!!!
What, if any, effect does anyone think early voting will have on the upcoming election? I’ve been reading where as many as one-third of voters may “lock-in” their preference in the next couple of weeks. At least it puts a new slant on any “October surprise.” Maybe only those who made their choice long ago will vote early, leaving all these “undecided voters,” to make the decision on our next leaders. I personally don’t know even one of these “undecided voters,” and question whether they exist.
My dearest Chas,
I am writing you this fine afternoon to inquire about a term that you have used. What is this “SOB” you so kindly refer to? Does it stand for something and if so, what? I am used to your correspondences being in all caps, so you can understand my confusion as to the use of SOB. I beg you graciously to provide me with a definition of the word or an indication to its meaning.
Your Friend,
ANTI
lindainks55
Posted September 30, 2008 at 2:17 pm | Permalink
What, if any, effect does anyone think early voting will have on the upcoming election?
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Don’t have a fukin’ clue Linda. Hope that helps.
Hank posted September 30, 2008 at 6:03 am
“The Nonsense of Global Warming
By Paul Johnson, eminent British historian and author”
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Hank, do you not understand the difference between historians and scientists?
Do you not understand the difference between weather and climate?
Volcanic eruptions can cause global cooling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Anthropogenic GHG’s cause global warming.
So sorry for your ignorance, ANTI… Also, didnt mean to talk about your mother…
Chas
Posted September 30, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink
So sorry for your ignorance, ANTI… Also, didnt mean to talk about your mother…
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Shall I give you directions to the cemetery so you can stand on her grave and “talk about her”? Eh Chas?
ANTI posted September 30, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Boxlock, let’s drill the piss out of it!
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We are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_Formation
“While these numbers would appear to indicate a massive reserve, the percentage of this oil which might be extracted using current technology is another matter. Estimates of the Bakken’s technically recoverable oil have ranged from as low as 1% — because the Bakken shale has generally low porosity and low permeability, making the oil difficult to extract — to Leigh Price’s estimate of 50% recoverable.[10] Reports issued by both the USGS and the state of North Dakota in April 2008 seem to indicate the lower range of recoverable estimates are more realistic with current technology.”
Interesting Political Events in Austria.
The People are pissed-off at both ruling parties, AND they’ve voted minority powers into power!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/30/do3003.xml
Yet Austrians’ ability to express their worries about economic dislocation and the social stress caused by immigration via the political mainstream is constrained. The simple reason: the two main parties are in government together.
Imagine that Britain was governed by a Tory-Labour coalition: nothing would be more likely to give momentum to politicians whose unpleasantness would otherwise keep them on the margins.
It is the same story in Germany, where the big parties of Right and Left are in a “Grand Coalition”. This is having a similar, all-too predictable result: driving protest voters to the margins of politics.
In Bavaria, the Christian Social Union (CSU), once the unchallenged ruler of Germany’s most successful region, dropped below 50 per cent in elections on Sunday: the beneficiaries were the minor parties – Greens, Liberals and local populists.
“the two main parties are in government together.”
Sound familiar?
The Democrats & Republicans in Congress are in Government together.
NEITHER Party represents US anymore! Time to vote em all out!
(Only those who are intellectually honest can admit that here.)
Frustration With Dysfunctional Government, brought new political powers into power in Austria.
Change for Change sake, but NOT necessarily better, as you can see from the facist tendancies of the new parties.
O B A M A : BRING US CHANGE!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/world/europe/29austria.html?em
The election was not a referendum on immigration, according to Wolfgang Bachmayer, managing director of the OGM Institute, a political consulting firm. It was primarily frustration with the dysfunctional government that defined the results, he said.
Same thing in Germany, the Minor Parties are beating the 2 Major Parties!
CHANGE for the SAKE of CHANGE! But not better, and likely – WORSE.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/30/do3003.xml
It is the same story in Germany, where the big parties of Right and Left are in a “Grand Coalition”. This is having a similar, all-too predictable result: driving protest voters to the margins of politics.
In Bavaria, the Christian Social Union (CSU), once the unchallenged ruler of Germany’s most successful region, dropped below 50 per cent in elections on Sunday: the beneficiaries were the minor parties – Greens, Liberals and local populists.
sunflower5: Before you make any other demeaning remarks about Sweden in reference to the fiscal crisis, just look up how they solved their banking/market/real estate crisis in the early 90’s by using tough fiscal policies to stabilize themselves. Incidentally Sweden has lower corporate taxations than the US and in ratings for human development and standard of living Sweden is listed as 6th (the US is 12th) Darn socialists!
Sweden has lower corporate taxations than the US
hmmmm
Another greenhouse gas emissions crazy report. Ration meat and milk. Save the world from ourselves.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/30/food.ethicalliving
‘Arctic Eyewitness Says No Drilling for Oil‘
http://www.swnewsherald.com/online_content/2008/09/092908ov_ess_drilling.php
“The best way to get beyond politics is to see things with your own eyes. On June 12, a bush plane carrying my wife, Deb, and I landed near the Jago River. We were 220 miles north of the Arctic Circle, and the landscape was treeless. This was the heart of the famed “1002 Area,” the 100-mile stretch of Arctic Refuge coastal plain coveted by greedy oil executives and the politicians they control.
The Arctic coastal plain isn’t the wasteland oil drilling advocates would like you to believe it is. In fact, it’s amazingly beautiful. The stunning Brooks Mountain Range filled the southern horizon, and pale-blue braided rivers flowed north, framing the occasional butte. Covering the ground were mosses, grasses, herbs, and sedges, punctuated by tiny flowers. Never before had I visited a place where I could see and hear things so far in the distance.”
More at link.
More “solutions” brought to you by the AGW chicken littles:
Meat must be rationed to four portions a week, says report on climate change
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/30/food.ethicalliving
“People will have to be rationed to four modest portions of meat and one litre of milk a week if the world is to avoid run-away climate change, a major new report warns.”
Ok, so lets see you AGW believers line up and move forward with a ration on yourselves.
Mary?
BlueJay?
Ben?
Cosmos?
Chas?
Steven?
CapnAmerica?
Maggotpunk?
MonkeyHawk?
Any others I missed?
Are you going to limit yourselves to 4 “modest” portions of meat a weak and only one litre of milk?
…punctuated by tiny flowers…
How precious…
:D
Cosmos, your article forgot to mention the mosquitoes that are the size of pterodactyls!
Nathaniel posted September 30, 2008 at 4:11 pm
“Are you going to limit yourselves to 4 “modest” portions of meat a weak and only one litre of milk?”
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I already eat much less meat than that, and no milk. Rice, beans, vegs, etc are healthier.
For multi-nic’d,
http://www.oilonice.org/gallery/gallery.php?slide=98Buff-breastedSandpiper.htm
Cosmos,
Do you think that we should force everyone else to do the same?
How do you combat the gas cosmos?
Beano?
http://www.beanogas.com/
Nathaniel,
If you can’t understand climate science, and prefer to instead believe lies from people like Dennis Avery, I can’t force you to change.
anti,
Proportions of food, plus exercise, and a little yogurt once in a while.
“Are you going to limit yourselves to 4 ‘modest’ portions of meat a weak [Freud would be laughing] and only one litre of milk?”
Don’t believe I drink that much milk and limiting red meat especially would be better for one’s health.
I can’t recall every taking a position on the global warming question. So let me say that scientists who know a lot more than me on the subject think it is happening vs. a small collection of creationists – who believe also that the earth is less than 10K years old – who don’t — what to think… it is so difficult….
Why can’t this ever happen to me?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430783,00.html
Florida Man Claims He Was Robbed by Gang of Braless Thieves Tuesday, September 30, 2008
It may sound like something out of a Benny Hill comedy sketch, but a Florida man claimed he was robbed Saturday by five buxom women clad in overalls — with no shirts or bras underneath.
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA
I threw up in my mouth, just a little. Kim Jung Il would be proud, however.
I forgot about the yogurt cosmos….I like meat too much to give it up, although I balance it with many vegetables and fruits as well as exercise.
Florida Man Claims He Was Robbed by Gang of Braless Thieves Tuesday, September 30, 2008
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Feminist?
“Are you going to limit yourselves to 4 “modest” portions of meat a weak and only one litre of milk?
That is about three times what I eat in a week.
No burgers for BlueJay…..
I drink no milk at all.
Cosmos,
I didn’t ask you if you could force me to change.
I asked if you wanted to force others to only eat 4 “modest” portions of meat a weak and only one litre of milk?
Y’all have a listen >>>> McCain >>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
BlueJay
Posted September 30, 2008 at 4:48 pm | Permalink
I drink no milk at all.
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Neither do I…..I will do my part by continuing to not drink milk.
In March, whistleblower P. Victor Gonzalez, a former Planned Parenthood official, filed a lawsuit against its affiliates in Californicatia saying they overcharged the state hundreds of millions of dollars on birth control. Gonzalez says his own internal audit estimates that Planned Parenthood overcharged Californicatia taxpayers for purchasing birth control by at least $180 million. Gonzalez says the abortion business fired him because he raised concerns about the illegal practices.
Now Gerard Health Foundation has called for a federal probe of Planned Parenthood’s pervasive criminal, racist, greedy practices. Not even Californicatia taxpayers want to continue being ruthlessly bilked by these dangerous, criminal abortion mills, even though notorious, baby-hating former state Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson of Santa Barbara was suckered into sponsoring legislation allowing Planned Parenthood to charge more, based on concerns the abortion mills presented her warning of financial problems without overcharges for contraceptives, even though Planned Parenthood rakes in huge profits from abortions.
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“We have repeatedly begged the authorities in Kansas to hold Tiller accountable for the many women he had hurt just over the past few years. How many women must be maimed or killed before Tiller is brought to justice? We say it again: Tiller is a menace and we demand that he be held accountable for his dangerous, if not criminal, actions. This time, the public should not take ‘no’ for an answer.”
. . . Operation Rescue president Troy Newman, denouncing Tiller’s criminal late-term Wichita abortion mill for the illegal botched post-viable abortion on Tuesday and the follow-up illegal partial-birth abortion on Thursday that nearly killed the mother, who was revived after cardiac arrest and treated for 3 days at Wesley Medical Center, a “hospital” that shamelessly grants abortionist quack Tiller admitting privileges
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Dr. Alveda King, niece of the late civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., says Planned Parenthood gave her “bad advice, bad counsel, and lied” about her abortion, telling her that her baby was not human. Dr. King blames 2 abortions for a later miscarriage, and calls for cutting all federal funding of racist Planned Parenthood.
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“At this point the Democratic Party risks transforming itself definitely into a ‘party of death’ because of its choices on bioethical questions as Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in his book, ‘The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts and the Disregard for Human Life.’”
. . . U.S. Archbishop Raymond L. Burke, prefect of the Vatican’s highest court, perhaps not realizing that the Democrat Party has been the ruthless party of death for over 30 years, but is now blatant enough to discard the “safe, legal, and rare” abortion facade
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“Two teenagers were gunned down last week, now a 4-month-old baby is murdered while asleep. If we are not mad as hell about this, we have lost our humanity.”
. . . Detroit, MI city council head Monica Conyers, arguing for justice, after leftists long ago discarded Michigan’s death penalty, eliminating the possibility of justice under state law for such heinous murders
[Eliminating capital punishment is NOT humane, folks.]
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A Miami, FL janitor Monday night discovered a newborn boy in a garbage bin within several feet of Baptist Hospital, and summoned emergency rescue assistance. The infant was treated in good condition in Baptist Hospital.
Florida lawmakers have recently increased the safe surrender age for legal abandonment of unharmed newborns to 7 days. This does NOT include abandonment in garbage bins.
Also, the meat I do eat is relatively local. I am a pretty green SOB if I do say so myself.
Nathaniel posted September 30, 2008 at 4:48 pm
“I didn’t ask you if you could force me to change.
I asked if you wanted to force others to only eat 4 “modest” portions of meat a weak(sic) and only one litre of milk?”
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1) I don’t have that power.
2) I’d prefer that people learn about AGW, the impact of food production, and also the health issues.
If people understand the AGW issue (which Nathaniel does not) they often voluntarily cut back on meat, try to buy locally grown food, etc.
I’ll trade my 4 portions of meat for 1 litre of milk. Anybody interested?
GMC70
Posted September 30, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA
I threw up in my mouth, just a little. Kim Jung Il would be proud, however.
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SING COMMIE!
SING!
UNBELIEVABLE UNTIL YOU SEE IT!
Nathaniel
Posted September 30, 2008 at 4:11 pm | Permalink
More “solutions” brought to you by the AGW chicken littles:
Meat must be rationed to four portions a week, says report on climate change
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/30/food.ethicalliving
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Those receiving Food Stamps should now be given a weekly brown bag filled with Government selected and approved healthy foods.
Will make the poor healthier, and won’t cost nearly as much.
ANTI
Posted September 30, 2008 at 4:27 pm | Permalink
How do you combat the gas cosmos?
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Wouldn’t a diet of bean create more greenhouse gases?
ANTI
Posted September 30, 2008 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
Florida Man Claims He Was Robbed by Gang of Braless Thieves Tuesday, September 30, 2008
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Feminist?
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They were Pointing weapons at him.
5 women with 10 automatics.
Assault Weapons.
Capable of firing multiple rounds with one pull of the trigger.
With pistol grips too.
High capacity.
Fully loaded.
Cop Killer Bullets.
Ballistic Tips.
And Truncated Cones.
.50 Caliber, at least.
Two were 155 mm.
HARD to conceal though.
Oh let me guess.
GMC is all wound up about something.
Actually, I tend to think GMC is BOUND up with something.
Rush Limbaugh was riled up today too.
Now I’m not gonna click his link. I don’t click links from cons unless they are supposed to prove something. Waste of time.
Rush was ranting about?
Some little children singing about hope.
Is that it GMC? Is that what has visions of torchlight parades dancing in your head?
I’m tempted to look. Because if Rush Limbaugh is frightened by singing little children, I’m not surprised. But if GMC came here to shill that same line?
He may have jumped the shark.
JR –
If I ever thought you had anything substantive to say, I’d worry.
As it is, I look at your last post and just ask- What? Is there a point there, somewhere? Or are you just here to wax poetically about your buddy Rush?
And you’re not clicking my link? Oh gosh, I’m shattered. Hurt. Broken. How will I ever be able to look in the mirror again?
Oh yea, well, it’s JR, with all the gravitas of, well, Obama. Heh. Now that’s damning with faint praise.
Guess I can live another day after all.
What I forgot to say about the Swedish meltdown in the 1990 is that the source was the same as now, bad mortgaages. The Swedes injected cash to buy out the afflicted institutions after writedowns and took more than a pound of flesh from the shareholders. That injection eventually steadied the housing market and afterwards the Swedish government sold the busineess/assets/papers they had acquired at firesale prices, and turned a neat profit for the taxpayer.They have been telling of their experiences to Wall St. and Washington recently. What may be impeding a solution here is the pound of flesh bit, writedowns and re-sale of the assest without a commission being made by someone. The NY Times has an article from which I gathered this synopsis published Sept.22/08 and that is how European banks are handling the current situation within their own economies. Buy low, sell high! Basic stuff I hear.
Cosmos,
I didn’t ask you if you had the power to do it.
I asked if you WANTED to force people to do it.
Your wanting to do something has nothing to do with your ability to do it.
If you could have the government force people to maintain that diet, would you? Or do you favor ONLY a voluntary system?
Cosmos,
What about Carbon emmisions?
Do you want to force people to do less things which create so-called greenhouse gases?
Force people to drive different cars or force companies to produce only economically friendly vehicles?
There are many ways of forcing someone to do something.
“Nathaniel” –
Part of your paranoia is that roving bands of “Libs” are just sitting back ready to force you to eat more vegetables, drive cleaner cars, prefer free-range chickens to factory-produced bird mutants.
Those might be good ideas. It might be worthwhile to encourage a less-fatty, less processed diet.
But we’re not gonna take away your spare ribs at gunpoint. Get real.
“wax poetically about your buddy Rush?”
Not my buddy. And my thoughts run more to axing him.
Say what you came to say GMC.
TELL people what is in that link. I’m gambling I’m right about what it is. You didn’t say I was wrong. And you would be all over me if I was.
I’m right aren’t I?
If I click that link that got you ranting about “commies” and dictators I’m going to find little children singing aren’t I? The littlest bit of reason that you have left won’t let you just out and outrage about it. Or explain your barely concealed damp fear over…
singing children? I guess it’s an attempt to hang onto…dignity? that you won’t out and own it?
Pretensions (and yours float you down the parade route on Thanksgiving) aside, you have just proved, albeit reluctantly, (dishonestly) that you are nothing more than a bobble headed ditto drone. Rush says, you react.
Nathaniel,
Do you have a reading and/or vision problem? I’ll try again,
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2) I’d ** PREFER ** that people learn about AGW, the impact of food production, and also the health issues.
If people understand the AGW issue (which Nathaniel does not) they often voluntarily cut back on meat, try to buy locally grown food, etc.
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Can you understand that Nathaniel?
I ** PREFER ** voluntary solutions, NOT forced solutions.
Cosmos,
Even when it comes to companies?
Even if we don’t act now it might be too late?
Limbaugh didn’t have any video GMC. At least I didn’t hear him claim to. Your link is Youtube so you do.
And I did not hear all of his vent about the singing child or children.
And it got you to the shouting of all caps?
What ARE these awful, dangerous singing children DOING besides singing in the video?
Are they uniformed? Under a gun armed goon?
“cosmos_originally” –
“Nathaniel’s” paranoia bubbled up to the surface with his little “Would you force us to…?” rant.
When I was a kid, one of my household chores was to empty all the trash baskets in the house and take it out back to the incinerator to burn. People got the idea we’d all be better off if trash were collected, compacted, and buried in sanitary landfills. That didn’t take away backyard barbecues.
I think CONs come up with their paranoid “what-ifs” because if they had the power the would force their philosophies on non-believers. Consider reproductive rights, for example. Their lies about prayer in school. Their homophobia. Their precious guns….
I’m sure “GMC70″ is just as upset by this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac&feature=related
Well, maybe, not so much.
EXACTLY MonkeyHawk.
You are spot on.
The cons sit and daydream about what THEY would inflict on others, given the power.
SO their nightmares are the stuff of what would those same others do to them,given the power.
Nathaniel,
Companies like Wal-Mart, which met with Al Gore, and is becoming more energy efficient and green?
Saving energy (which reduces GHGs) is profitable.
Wait a minute…
If you don’t want to use force then why do you want to force restrictions on drilling for more oil?
Why do you want to force comapanies to produce more efficient vehicles?
Why do you want to force our country to abide by treaties like the Kyoto treaty?
Like the typical liberals you are, you sit here saying one thing and doing another.
Cosmos, BlueJay, MonkeyHawk,
Do you want to force our country to meet certain emissions standards?
While I wait for GMC to come out of his bunker hiding from singing children or….whatever…
Nathan?
Do you believe the current American consumptive lifestyle, unchanged in any way, is sustainable?
And if so, do you see that SAME consumptive lifestyle sustainable if practiced by India and China?
Because we are what half the population of the planet is aspiring to be. Are we being the kind of front runner and example that can be emulated without TOTALLY outstripping the resources of this world to provide?
Do you want to force companies to be unable to produce more coal generated energy?
“Nathaniel” –
Grow up a little.
It’s called negotiation. It’s called mutual benefit.
American car manufacturers just got $50 Billion taxpayers’ dollars. Part of the conditions of that loan guarantee — and the benefits are cleaner air, more fuel efficiency, etc. — and nobody held a gun on GM and “forced” them to take the money.
Sheesh, boy. No wonder your dad thinks dogs are smart.
Do you want to force energy companies to not be able to produce more Nuclear Power?
What J R, you favor children singing? Guess you’ll have to turn in that RNC card now.
GMC vomiting in his mouth; now that is a manly reaction to children singing!
MonkeyHawk,
So you oppose forcing automotive companies to meet certain emmisions standards or forcing them to meet even more restricitve emmisions standards?
Was I right Steven?
Is that what is in GMC’s link?
Nathan?
Habitable worlds are in short supply.
As in one.
So, “Nathaniel” –
You’re in favor of allowing me to s#it in your water supply. I’d be happy to do it, since you obviously oppose regulations.
BlueJay,
So you believe in forcing people to do things to help save the environment then?
“So you believe in forcing people to do things to help save the environment then?”
You DON’T?
IF I back a truck of toxic sludge up to that pretty lake your dad lives by, you are ok with that?
We do things to “force” people to behave in their own and societies best interest every day Nathan.
What you’re an anarchist now?
MonkeyHawk,
I am all in favor of certain regulations.
You were the one who called me paranoid for simply asking if Cosmos wanted to force people to do things.
You are the one who mocked me for thinking that you liberals would force us to do things.
Typical liberal no-win argument style.
You will attack me for suggesting that you would force us to do something and then attack me for not supporting forcing people to do things.
So which is it?
Did you all see this nonsense from the Operation End Abortion crowd today? If Newman is so intent on going after any and all complications because he is so worried about women- why hasn’t he filed complaints against EVERY surgeon in America where ANY complication has occured? Because it happens. This is absurd.
Pass a law now that stops Newman from harassing Tiller.
BlueJay,
So do you support forcing people to meet a diet of only 4 modest servings of meat and 1 litre of milk a week?
You’re whining again, “Nathaniel.”
I have better things to do than waste my time with a simpering ex-marine naif.
Pray for me, boy.
I’ve no knowledge the very specific thing you ask about Nathan.
A better question to ask me would be, do I believe our society engages in inexcusably profligate waste?
My answer would be yes. Certainly, you are not defending waste or arguing it does not exist.
So lets review the MonkeyHawk school of debate:
-Mock your opponent for merely asking a question or suggesting that someone might support something.
-Then mock your opponent for not supporting the very thing you just mocked him for suggesting you supported.
-When this is pointed out to you then mock your opponent for “whining”
You need alot more than prayer MonkeyHawk. You need some basic argument and logic skills.
BleuJay,
The article I posted earlier said this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/30/food.ethicalliving
“People will have to be rationed to four modest portions of meat and one litre of milk a week if the world is to avoid run-away climate change, a major new report warns.”
Do you agree?
Nathaniel posted September 30, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Wait a minute…
If you don’t want to use force then why do you want to force restrictions on drilling for more oil?”
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* I didn’t write “restrictions”, like on the 1002 area, which is a unique, irreplaceable wildlife refuge.
* Our puny 2 or 3% of the worlds oil reserves cannot sustain our 1/4th of the world oil suppy consumption.
* Higher energy efficiency is much cheaper than more drilling, and is guaranteed to “produce” much more.
Nathaniel: “Why do you want to force comapanies to produce more efficient vehicles?
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I support feebates, federal loan guarantees for retooling, “carrots”, and other programs that would allow Detroit to become globally competitive again. None of those are “forcing”.
Nathaniel: “Why do you want to force our country to abide by treaties like the Kyoto treaty?
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I didn’t write Kyoto, and I don’t think it was very effective. I support market based solutions re higher efficiency and alternatives. I support reasonable carbon taxes, which help account for the hidden costs of CO2. None of those are “forcing”.
Nathaniel: “Like the typical liberals you are, you sit here saying one thing and doing another.
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No, Nathaniel sits there making FALSE claims about what I believe.
Like I say, I don’t click con links Nathan.
My limited exposure to what you cons call sources tells me that when I see “guardian” and “uk” in a link, I am not missing much.
I think it likely speaks to extremes. IF I must choose extreme conservation of the Earth’s resources versus extreme waste of them, I will err in the direction of conservation.
I already did the thrown away fried chicken story.
How about $20 a pound shrimp?
The other day, my grocery store had some $20 a pound shrimp. They did not sell. I don’t live in a neighborhood where people buy such extravagant food.
As they started to reach the end of their 4 day shelf life, they marked the shrimp down about 40%.
They still did not sell. SO they were thrown away.
Now you think on that. A boat out in the gulf used fuel catching shrimp. The shrimp were transported hundreds of miles by refrigerated truck.
And then they were thrown away.
Now to be fair, this was a very rare experience. My store does not carry these shrimp as standard stock.
But the store a few miles away does. Every day.
Now I suppose it is nice that people can go in there every now and again and pay $20 a pound for shrimp anytime they want to.
But? How much do you suppose is wasted and thrown away to avail people this likely little used commodity? I’m gonna guess the waste rate at likely 70% based just on observation.
That’s just one example. There are many more.
I guess it could be argued that I argue against high life because I don’t live it. That’s fair I suppose. But is such as I have described defensible? Is it sustainable?
May I offer that limiting meat consumption as suggested will lower rates of heart disease and the rampant obesity, and spiraling medical costs.
AND EAT YOUR VEGGIES, OR ELSE!!!!
Nathaniel posted September 30, 2008 at 6:54 pm
“Do you want to force energy companies to not be able to produce more Nuclear Power?”
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Do you want higher utility bills for everyone?
Do you want to spend more money than you need to?
Do you want the financial cost (and wasted $’s) if those plants are forced to shutdown in the future because they’re not price competitive?
25: What about nuclear power?
Page 258 (PDF pg 282)
http://www.oilendgame.com/ReadTheBook.html
“Regardless, nuclear power948 has no prospects in market-driven energy systems, for a simple reason: new nuclear plants949 cost too much to build.
In round numbers, electricity from new light-water reactors will cost
twice as much as from new windfarms,
five to ten times as much as distributed gas-fired cogeneration or trigeneration in buildings and factories (net of the credit for their recovered heat),and
three to thirty times as much as end-use efficiency that can save most of the electricity now used.95
Any one of these three abundant and widely available competitors alone could knock nuclear power out of the market, and there are three, with more on the way (ultimately including cheap fuel cells).”
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BTW: Warming and water shortages recently caused cooling problems at nuclear plants, forcing shutdowns, or power reductions.
StevenEDavis
Posted September 30, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink
“Steven when Clinton fired the entire justice department did you think that was political?”
Yes it was. What Clinton did was not illegal. But it is a matter of law that selection and retention of DOJ attorneys is to not be partisan based. Strange, how the law is so inconvenient for Republicans. That era is soon coming to an end.
I also predict that we will yet see Rove frog-marched into prison. It can’t happen soon enough.
So Steven if the appointment of federal judges is not political and Rove should go to prison for the firing of 3 federal judges how can you line up that position with saying ‘What Clinton did was legal.’?
The purple chicken network is very proud to welcome Phantom to the list of folks in the know and on the go. Welcome Phantom! And check your mailbox.
Court denies GOP appeal on Ohio early voting
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The Ohio GOP suffered another legal defeat Tuesday, as a federal appeals court ruled against the party’s appeal involving a disputed early voting window that allows Ohio voters to register and cast a ballot on the same day.
A three-judge panel of the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati denied the Ohio GOP’s request that, at the very least, ballots cast during the weeklong period be segregated from other ballots cast for the Nov. 4 presidential election.
A federal district judge in Columbus declined to rule on the matter Monday. The Ohio Supreme Court upheld the early voting window in a 4-3 decision the same day, while a federal judge in Cleveland also sided with Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.
The appeals court noted that the lower district court did not rule on the matter of the voting window, and said the argument involves facts about how election officials handle absentee ballots that must first be presented to a lower court.
Bill Todd, a lead attorney for the Ohio GOP, said the party was discussing its options Tuesday night. It wasn’t known whether they planned to further appeal.
The appeals court also gave Brunner a second victory, rejecting a GOP challenge to her advisory that county boards of elections weren’t required to allow poll observers during early voting.
A federal judge in Columbus issued a temporary restraining order against Brunner’s instructions Monday. But the appeals court overturned that ruling, saying the district court had abused its discretion in granting the order.
Thousands of Ohioans went to the polls Tuesday for the first day of early voting. Ohio’s largest counties had several hundred voters each, and a small portion of them also registered Tuesday.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmJpgsrR27lwSUQ24_WSSrU0W-JwD93HBGS80
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Dammit BJ,
Jst as I was convinced you were souless you do something like that although I half expected it to be some anti con thing. Only wish I had room and time a dog like that would require.
Are they still crying about Clinton?
It is the BUSHIES under investigation -by the Bush appointed top cop.
Cosmos,
If the free market wants to build a Nuclear Power plant then why not let them?
If they can’t compete then they will fail.
Why does it take the government forcing companies to not be able to build any Nuclear Power?
Other countries use Nuclear Power and continue to build more and use more.
This article doesn’t address the subject of where the new voters in Dallas County originateed, but I’ve read before that many displaced by Katrina settled in Texas cities. Wouldn’t it just be karma if Katrina causes all that jerry rigging done to ensure Republican victories was for naught!? Gives me have a good laugh!
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Gromer Jeffers: Influx of new voters in Dallas County could sway tight races
Dallas County election officials expect about 125,000 new voters will be added to the rolls this presidential year, with a net increase of 25,000 from the 2004 presidential elections.
The influx of new voters could sway several county races, particularly those in swing districts that could tilt either way.
The increase in total registered votes is good news to local Democrats.
For the March primaries, Democrats outvoted Republicans by 10-1.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/local/stories/100108dnpoljefferscolumn.df9685.html
Nathaniel posted September 30, 2008 at 8:45 pm
“Why does it take the government forcing companies to not be able to build any Nuclear Power?”
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Which government is doing that?
The U.S. is giving subsidies to help build new U.S. reactors. The U.S. extended the Price Anderson Act, so taxpayers will pay damages if there’s nuclear contamination.
How Racism Works:
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said ‘I do’ to? What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
More…
What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5? What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.
You are The Boss… which team would you hire?
With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc.
Educational Background:
Obama:
Columbia University – B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware – B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain: United States Naval Academy – Class rank: 894 of 899
Palin: Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester
North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study
University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester
University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in Journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire ?
[Hat tip to the attorney who forwarded this to me)
I like that one MonkeyHawk. I hope neither you nor your attorney friend mind if I also share it. ;-)
Go viral with it, “lindainks55!”
One for tomorrow’s Break Room >>>>
This one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this. It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible! They put in a correction the next day.
Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
Here are some more!
Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No, really?
Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers
Now that’s taking things a bit far!
Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over
What a guy!
Miners Refuse to Work after Death
No-good-for-nothing’ lazy so-and-so’s!
Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant
See if that works any better than a fair trial!
War Dims Hope for Peace
I can see where it might have that effect!
If Strike Isn’t Settled Quickly,
It May Last Awhile
Ya think?!
Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures
Who would have thought!
Enfield (London) Couple Slain;
Police Suspect Homicide
They may be on to something!
Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
You mean there’s something
stronger than duct tape?!
Man Struck By Lightning: Faces Battery Charge
He probably IS the battery charge
New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group
Weren’t they fat enough?!
Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Spacecraft
That’s what he gets for eating those beans!
Kids Make Nutritious Snacks
Do they taste like chicken?
Local High School Dropouts Cut in Half
Chainsaw Massacre all over again!
Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
Boy, are they tall!
And the winner is….
Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead
Did I read that right?
And Palin is still lying about drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
‘Transcript: Palin And McCain Interview’
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490788.shtml
Palin: And, remember ANWR is a 2,000-acre plot that’s in the midst of 21 million acres.
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It is NOT a 2,000-acre “plot”,
http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html
Palin also claims that the U.S. EIA is wrong about the # of years to (hypothetically) reach peak oil production in the Refuge.
GMC70
Posted September 30, 2008 at 4:44 pm | Permalink
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA
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Obviously some kind of a youth group… And even MORE obvious…. NOT ONE WORD of GERMAN!!
Methinks GMC doth protest too much…. We all know GMC doesnt like Obama… But this supposed objection is a bit much….
How about some Libs objecting to “McCain Sings Streissand??” LOL And yes, that one is available too…
I really dont see what is objectionable about a group of parents with their children, enjoying an afternoon of music!!
You can do better than that, GMC…
BTW, the music in the video doesnt even have he concept of “ein Reich” —- “One Kingdom”
Nathaniel posted September 30, 2008 at 8:45 pm
“If the free market wants to build a Nuclear Power plant then why not let them?
If they can’t compete then they will fail.”
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The failure(s) would cause financial problems for the investors. And the general public, if it was tax, and/or ratepayer funded.
GMC didn’t come back.
No doubt he is hiding under his bed afraid of singing children.
SO, I did what I never do, since he wouldn’t tell about it and so own it?
I clicked his link. And it was just as I thought it would be. Why was GMC so livid and yet so ashamed?
NOW I see why Rush was upset. Now I know why Rushbot GMC came crazing through here shilling his master’s voice.
Children wearing shirts that said “Imagine hope”, were singing about the same.
How awful. For folks like Rush and GMC. It is no wonder they are so emotional.
Rush Limbaugh makes his living on exploiting selfishness and stupidity. GMC makes HIS living prosecuting victims who act out against the selfishness and social and economic injustice in our society.
To such folk, the word “hope” is cancer. They live on the death of hope. Their life’s blood is sustained on suffering.
I am no great fan of Senator Obama or his supporters as my posts here well show. But since WHEN is a message of hope something to be afraid of? Hell I haven’t had hope for me or my family in some long time now.
Why are people like Rush Limbaugh and GMC so afraid of such a message? Is it because they know that some will not look up but look around for solution and justice?
You don’t want to know Rush or GMC what I teach my kid about such as you. You might lay comfortably, but I do not think you would sleep well.
Old King Cole was a merry old soul,
And a merry old soul was he;
And he called for his pipe,
And he called for his bowl,
And he called for his fiddlers three.
And every fiddler had a very fine fiddle,
And a very fine fiddle had he;
Oh, there’s none so rare as can compare
With King Cole and his fiddlers three.
Old King Cole was a merry old soul,
And a merry old soul was he;
And he called for his pipe,
And he called for his bowl,
And he called for his fiddlers three.
And every fiddler had a very fine fiddle,
And a very fine fiddle had he;
Oh, there’s none so rare as can compare
With King Cole and his fiddlers three.
Oh and also as we likely consign this thread to history?
I asked Nathan to defend the gratuitously consumptive and wasteful American society.
He didn’t or couldn’t.
Addendum as I go to bed.
Con wall banger Sean Hannity had GMC’s video on his show just now.
He would not comment beyond calling it scary.
Of course it is scary to Sean Hannity and GMC and Rush Limbaugh for little kids to sing about hope. If those kids have hope and work with it, Hannity, Rush, and GMC are out of a job.
Goodnight and another day closer to a better America.
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
blessings to the singing children of hope!!
so mote it be!!
Poor, poor Moneyhawk. The divorce must have been painful. Good thing she got out.
Sunflower — That is a totally pointless, and useless post… IDIOT!!
My son knew he needed to stop smoking. He’d just seen his father die at 38 from lung cancer. That was the spark that made him realize that smoking could literally kill him. Unfortunately, every time he tried to stop, he would yield to temptation within a few days. I looked at using a nicotine patch and nicotine gum, but didn’t want him to use either. For me, it seemed silly to take the same substance that causes the addiction – nicotine.
I searched for a natural and safe method to quit smoking: http://freshnewsday.com/stop-smoking.html
How it works?