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A terrorist attack in America, probably by people wanting to spread their love of Jesus.
“On Friday, September 26, the end of a week in which thousands of copies of Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West — the fear-mongering, anti-Muslim documentary being distributed by the millions in swing states via DVDs inserted in major newspapers and through the U.S. mail — were distributed by mail in Ohio, a “chemical irritant” was sprayed through a window of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton, where 300 people were gathered for a Ramadan prayer service. The room that the chemical was sprayed into was the room where babies and children were being kept while their mothers were engaged in prayers. This, apparently, is what the scare tactic political campaigning of John McCain’s supporters has led to — Americans perpetrating a terrorist attack against innocent children on American soil.”
More at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/28/203016/697/536/613742
Oh, but we have to ignore the news, since it is from the Kos, right?
Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX) reports from the floor of the House that the Republicans have been cut out of the process and called unpatriotic for not blindly supporting the fraudulent bailout. He says the only debate has been about what talking points to use on the American people. The most ominous revelation is when he claims the Speaker has declared martial law.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=4932
Is it time yet?
Speaking on the book, those are the same freaks that are devoted to that effed up show, “24″ and are ok with torture of any kind. Oh yeah, it’s just “fiction” and isn’t by any stretch, a barometer of their type of thinking.
I don’t want the bank robbery at all, but this is a good read.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/28/globaleconomy.creditcrunch
They barely keeping the economy afloat now, after they’ve (the banks) already borrowed more than the “bail out” package proposes last week. Don’t believe me? This “bailout” is nothing more than a pardon for these crimes and a blank check for future fraud against us. But hey, who cares?
Here’s the story of the terrorist attack from a local paper for those who think news from Daily Kos is biased because it is accurate.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/27/ddn092608evacweb.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=16
Naturally if it’s an attack by a fundy Christian it’s not a terrorist attack. But if there person is a Muslim then it must be a terrorist.
Pleefer, have you wondered why the Republicans aren’t shouting “class warfare” this time around? Maybe it has to do with their belief in a trickle down economics that falls upon pee-ons. Oh did I spell that wrong?
“They are”…
I see a lot of Republican House members fighting this, but the Senate just goes for it. But it doesn’t matter, it’s all theatre. They will pass this with or without The People’s consent. This “bail-out” is ALL of their retirement’s. They watch each other’s backs, not ours.
Ok the Weblog is going to suck now that some are gone, so this either needs to be made into an open format- so that bloggers can post a topic, or they need to get new editor bloggers to give us more options to talk about. The open thread can get too full if we have to discuss everything here.
OR Phillip can have us start submitting blogs, like he had said over a year ago.
I can hear Taps playing…solemnity for the PRIVATE Federal Reserve Note. Our Dollar is dead. And yeah, the sky is falling too.
And if you goof’s still think this was all brought about by the “evil” minorities buying homes they couldn’t afford, defaulted and screwed up our banking system…go back to school.
>Naturally if it’s an attack by a fundy Christian it’s not a terrorist attack. But if there person is a Muslim then it must be a terrorist.<
The article did not give any evidence that it was a Christian or a Muslim. Perhaps it was neither?
The point is.. it was WRONG, and I hope that whoever it was is caught and prosecuted!
OUTLAW DERIVATIVE’S! ALL DERIVATIVE’S.
Could it be that MaggotPunk and his lying friends at the Daily Kos are exaggerating the facts about the attack on the Mosque?
If you want to read the original source of the story and compare that to Maggot’s and the Daily Kos, you’ll find the liars all align in their proper place.
There were no babies mentioned in the Dayton Daily News story, no Christians, no identity of suspect and no so-called email from some mysterious Mosque member as reported on the Daily Kos.
The Daily Kos and MaggotPunk, where lying is a way of life.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/27/ddn092608evacweb.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=16
“Could it be that MaggotPunk and his lying friends at the Daily Kos are exaggerating the facts about the attack on the Mosque?”
And how many times in the past couple of years have we seen stunts like this pulled by members of the “target group” to make the “right wing” look guilty?
I’ve watched the movie ‘Obsession’ and highly recommend it. Also, if you can, I highly recommend that you donate a little to help distribute it.
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/
Or,. . .you can get your information freshly made up at the Daily Kos.
amazing how kos is the only source for this “NEWS”. WOHIO Television and WCRX television in Dayton have nothing about it at all. You would think a gas attack on 300 innocent victims would make at least a little blip in the legitimate news?
Obviously, it is a plot to keep the real news hidden, and only KOS has the inside story!
riiiight. this make believe thing is only believed by the really out there extremists.
Say something against Obama in St. Louis, get arrested.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/28/say-the-wrong-obama-thing-in-missouri-get-arrested-not-so-fast-says-governor/
Yet more consolidation:
http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na
Mr.Price,
I just read on kos the muslim hordes are heading for your house. They figured out your location from the microchip that the liberals secretly implanted in your forehead.Hope your locked and loaded!!!
Thousand rounds for every caliber.
An incredible amount of factors had to be just perfect to create this world, one that could sustain and nurture life. It is estimated that the chances for everything to come together by random chance is 1 in 10 to the 99th power. Here is the first of several point discussions:
Scientists now know that planets like the earth, with large amounts of both water and land, are virtually impossible to form. Large planets do not form continents because the increased gravity prevents significant mountain and continent formation. Earth-sized planets completely flood, and any land formed is eroded by the seas in a short period of time (in the absence of tectonic activity, which results only from the effects of the formation of the moon). Smaller planets lack tectonic activity, so would have no land masses, but would be completely covered with water. According to Dr. Nick Hoffman of La Trobe University, Melbourne Australia:
“Around countless stars in our galaxy, and innumerable galaxies through space there will surely be Terrestrial planets, yet they will not be Earth-like. They will not have glistening Silver Moons orbiting silently through space around them, but only small dull rocks whizzing in orbit. The worlds will be, almost without exception, waterworlds.” (Venus – What the Earth would have been like from spacedaily.com)
The universe, our galaxy, our Solar System and the Earth-Moon double planet system demonstrate some remarkable evidence of intelligent design. Taken separately, each characteristic is highly improbable by random chance. When taken together, the probability is so small as to be impossible – by random chance. The alternative explanation, design by an intelligent Creator is a more realistic explanation. Either way, one must admit that we are a product of a miracle – either a miracle of chance or a miracle of design.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/designss.html
new earthlike planet discovered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTjAmop688
Well Annie, they don’t even know if that planet in your youtube video has water on it. A prerequisite for life as we know it. So “earthlike” is a big stretch.
But regardless, the Bible does not state that there cannot be additional life in God’s universe. But science tells us that the earth is truly a unique wonder, almost impossible to replicate.
“I’ve watched the movie ‘Obsession’ and highly recommend it.”
Well with THAT recommendation.
I’ll make sure I don’t see it.
“Obsession” = Five Minutes of Hate. See 1984.
The universe is a big place outlander. To say the earth is unique maybe wishful thinking. Everyday we learn more.
Early next year the scientific community begins basic particule research with the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland. Things may become very exciting soon.
Did you people notice that $900 BILLION dollars were given away last week to the banks? Did you see it? Do you understand?
To the contrary, scientific models suggest that earth-like planets may be common, given the unfathomable extent of the entire universe and a new, better understanding of what they are calling the “Goldilocks zone” “Not too hot, not too cold…”
We only have a database of 300 discovered planets, so far in this new science. But one or two of those are likely to be very life-friendly.
Given that there are billions of stars and planetary systems in our own little galaxy, and that we have billions of galaxies in our own Local Group and that this represents a tiny fraction of the universe…
Well, Carl Sagan used to say it, “Billions and billions.”
Check out the Drake Equation that lets you plug in your guesses on figures.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/origins/drake.html
Drake himself estimated there are 10,000 other civilizations in our own Milky Way that are communicating with each other…
ummm, hello?…o…o…o
Must be an echo in here?
President Bush was always a lousy, failing businessman. I did not expect him to hit his stride running the U.S.A.
All the King’s horses.. all the King’s men….
“Stock futures sharply lower as financial crises takes a turn for worse overseas.”
“Stocks tumble at the open. Selling interest is driven by concerns related to the government’s financial rescue plan, new that another bank was forced to sell itself to avoid collapse, and the bailout of several European financial firms.”
OUCH!
Good post, MagPunk.
Just imagine the hue-and-cry if Muslims had done this to Jerry Falwell’s church.
But, since it was right-wing Christian terrorism directed at those perceived to be foreigners . . . move along, folks, nothing to see here.
When Hank said we should send money, it dawned on me what this was — the 2008 version of The Swift Boat LIARS!
We knew they’d trot out something really vile right before the election.
Well, here it is.
If there is a God in Heaven, she’s going to get you CONs for what you’ve done to her justice.
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CapnAmerica
Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:04 am | Permalink
Good post, MagPunk.
Just imagine the hue-and-cry if Muslims had done this to Jerry Falwell’s church.
But, since it was right-wing Christian terrorism directed at those perceived to be foreigners . . . move along, folks, nothing to see here.
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It turned out that the perp was the Muslim brother in law of one of the celebrants who was mad because his wife had tried to make him eat sushi.
You think that was ridiculous? It is supported exactly as much as MaggotPunk’s and CapnA’s allegation they drug form the sewer tha tis Dailykos.
In case you haven’t noticed, truth has never been a factor in Capn’s moral compass.
love it…the liar is calling other people liars. Hey capn..there is NO IGNORE feature on this blog. But, you persist in your little fantasy.
capn is a liar.
Mccain’s posturing in Washington has cost precious time to be lost. Roberts and Tiahrt, (haven’t checked on Brownbacks position) are just worried about their own future careers.
I agree, the thread topics will likely get pretty lame. Can’t blame the editors too much, who wants to be the next to go?
Using outlander’s logic, the 9-11 terrorists could have just been Hindus who wanted to fly a jet plane and made terrible mistakes.
Where is your evidence Brad?
Please do not paint the entire Islamic community with the actions of a minority of religious, radical extremists.
Mass murderer Timothy McVeigh would be sitting on the conservative side of the pew… you don’t paint yourself with his brush… do you?
“Scalpel, not a hatchet”
Cause and effect.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/
Wow.
Bush approval is below 20 percent again.
He truly is the
Worst.
President.
Ever.
Bread and Circuses…you people are busy fighting over evolution, “terrorism” and global warming. Meanwhile, the real terrorists/criminals are looting your futures right now. The banks are having a “run” on each other and we talk about religion?
Your real religion, the Almighty Dollar is dying.
heh…heh…heh…eh?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110740/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Moves-50-42-Lead.aspx
Looks like the debates may be helping Obama.
PRINCETON, NJ — Barack Obama leads John McCain, 50% to 42% among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday — just one point shy of his strongest showing of the year.
But don’t worry, CONs. You still have two more debates in which Obama will lengthen his lead.
“The major indices extend their opening declines in broad-based selling interest.”
As of Friday, Tiahrt was in the “No” column on the bailout…
Where did all that Bush political capital go?
LIQUID ASSETS
If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Delta Airlines one year ago, you would have $49.00 today.
If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG one year ago, you would have $33.00 today.
If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Lehman Brothers one year ago, you would have $0.00 today.
But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the aluminum cans for a recycling refund, you would have received $214.00.
Based on the above, the best current investment plan is to drink
heavily & recycle. It is called the 401-Keg.
A recent study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year.
Another study found that Americans drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year.
That means that, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon!
Makes you proud to be an American!
Pleefer,
What would you have us do? I do not agree with the bailout as I feel it will have no effect. I have e-mailed and called my gov. reps and expressed my concerns to that effect. What’s left?
The irony here IMHO is that in the end, the sovereign wealth funds controlled by Islamic governments may end up owning large swaths of US financial assets.
hehehehe
My, my, the liberals sure woke up this morning with their little panties in a wad!
Foreign wealth funds will wait for the collapse before buying up America, fire sale.
If somebody made a despicable lying video about right-wing religious wack-os and then someone threw tear gas through the window when Hank was at church, he would nod thoughtfully and say, “yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.”
With what patience and manly stoicism is Hank able to bear the pain . . . of others.
He’s like The Liar, AmWay in that regard.
So an anti-Obama group distributes thousands of free, inflammatory DVDs by mail in Ohio. (I’d be curious to learn how this was funded…)
A church service is then gassed in Dayton, as foreseen by a Dayton reporter:
Jaccii Farris, a reporter for WFMZ, said:
“‘Obsession, Radical Islam’s War against the West’ uses footage from Arab TV to illustrate the hatred brewing among Muslim extremists. The images are disturbing… bloody and violent. The video basically will trigger hate crimes against Muslims.
(I have not seen any updated news about sushi… maybe the poster made that up?)
(I have not seen any updated news about sushi… maybe the poster made that up?)
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Ol’ Davy is sharp as a bowling ball this morning!
annie,
spread the word to your friends, family, co-worker’s.
vote out anyone who votes for this.
and then…the ideal would be for everyone with a mortgage, to stop making payments. evict us all?
if we don’t make a stand now, we’re fuched.
My, my, the liberals sure woke up this morning with their little panties in a wad!
Well you know Mr.Price after dodging IED’s set by Muslim teraists and herds of homosexuals trying to pressure us with the gay agenda, black helicopters every where, UN checkpoints and the gubermint confiscating my guns your panties would be in wad too.
chuckle…Now it’s tear gas.
I thought it relevant to point out that a regular poster would make up a story that cast blame on the targets of the attack… even if it was supposed to be some kind of a sick joke…
It is just as proven Davy, as any theory.
That mosque hadn’t been attacked since its inception many years ago.
Then right after a lying, fearmongering, racist, xenophobic DVD is circulated, it gets attacked.
Yeah.
In CON logic, that doesn’t mean a thing.
Just some guy eating sushi . . . or something.
Oh, the pain and agony and OUTRAGE from Hank and outlander!
If only it had been a Christian church instead of a mosque . . .
I am watching the debate in the House on C-Span. Could the House Republicans really scuttle the bailout?
“The S&P 500 is down about 3.3% after being down as much as 4.0%.
Weakness is broad-based. Not only are all ten economic sectors posting a loss, 126 of the 132 S&P 500 industry groups are in the red. The worst performing groups are coal & consumable fuel (-13.1%), asset management & custody banks (-10.8%) and steel (-10.6%).”
As any theory.. hmm, so a Flying Spaghetti Monster that created the universe ( http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter ), is as proven as the theory of gravity, for instance?
Well Capn, did you get with those other nine workers to see if they are willing to give up “a portion of their salary” to save your job?
You know the ones you said would be like the Eagle should be like – and not let their writers go?
And did you go back and inform your fellow employees that now they will have to give up a portion of the employee paid benefits too? Little things like FICA/Medicare, vacation/sick time, 401K contribution match, health insurance, death benefits, disability compensation, and the contributions your employer makes to the state for unemployment contributions? And overhead costs too? Did you explain to them that there is a lot more to running a business and hiring employees than just your SALARY?
And all nine of them agreed to all that?
I’m saying that where I work, that would be preferrable to lay offs.
In fact, we already have a system where people who don’t use their sick days can give them to somebody else who needs them.
This was used for an employee who had a stroke and was out for several months of rehab.
I don’t know why people helping each other is such a foreign idea for you to grasp, LiarAmWay.
I’ll be sorry that I say this, but, Outlander, your concept that all theories are equally relevant goes counter to the entire intellectual experience of civilization since the Dark Ages…
You can audit some science classes at most any university for free…
I don’t intend to be insulting, but your statement was unbelievably … well,I don’t even have word to describe it!
“Sophomoric?”
The CONs want to make their version of rapacious, cut-throat capitalism the “natural and inevitable” version.
So they have to ridicule and demean any alternative to that.
The sick day thing is a wash for your employer.
Good luck with all employees agreeing to give up what is THEIR earnings, salary, and benefits for “the common good”.
Either smoking something or dreaming. But then again, this is Oz.
We realize that we’re all in this together.
You want to use fear and division to keep people down and exploit them.
Once you got rid of the unions, it’s worked well for you, I have to admit.
Trouble is, as more and more wealth goes to the richest Americans, the economy gets more like Mexico.
Not a good thing.
“You can audit some science classes at most any university for free…”
Never seen that. There was always a fee for auditing when I was actually going to school. Please tell me more. Seriously. There might be something, if offered in the evening, I would like to just that with.
TAXI TO THE DARKSIDE
Winner of the 2008 Academy Award® for Best Documentary Feature as well as a 2008 Peabody Award
In the year following 9/11, the Bush Administration’s promise to root out terrorists abroad took a perverse, unsettling turn, with the U.S. military embarking on a policy of humiliation and deprivation designed to get political prisoners to talk. The appallingly inhumane tactics used by military prison guards in Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Guantanamo Bay flaunted the Geneva Conventions while killing untold numbers of prisoners – including innocents like Dilawar, a young Afghan taxi driver whose only “crime” was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is the story of how America lost its dignity in its zeal to win the War on Terrorism: Taxi to the Dark Side. Premieres Monday, September 29 at 9pm ET/PT on HBO.
(And you don’t have to donate to get it distributed.)
I’m voting for Jimmy John for prez. Very string on national defense. Hell his tag line is “Subs so fast you’ll freak.”
Any Questions as to who and which party is largely responsible for this financial meltdown we find our country and the world in?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&&scp=5&sq=fannie%20mae&st=cse
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999
In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders.
The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in 15 markets — including the New York metropolitan region — will encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans. Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.
”Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990’s by reducing down payment requirements,” said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chairman and chief executive officer (and current Obama advisor). ”Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market.”
Transferring sick days is not “a wash.”
People that don’t use them don’t cost the company anything. People that use them require temps to fill in.
So . . . giving sick days to someone who uses them costs the company money.
We can’t use sick days unless we’re actually sick. They’re not “personal days.”
Or maybe Obama operatives did it to try to create sympathy and blame the right wing. Ohio is a close state, you know. Just as proven, just as likely. In fact, the way dailykos put it out there to their mind numbed readers, it may have been in on it.
Davy, no offense, but to tie determination of probability of culprits to science is, well it’s dumb.
Whatever happened to, we will let the police investigate and see what they come up with? Sort of un-American of the dailykos and it’s minions.
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DavidB
Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:21 am | Permalink
Please do not paint the entire Islamic community with the actions of a minority of religious, radical extremists.
Mass murderer Timothy McVeigh would be sitting on the conservative side of the pew… you don’t paint yourself with his brush… do you?
“Scalpel, not a hatchet”
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McVeigh wasn’t a conservative. McVeigh was a freaked out nut case with paraonid induced radical ideas about the U.S. Government and revenge. Conservatives don’t plant bombs. They don’t because they are ummm…conservative.
Bomb planters belong to the left, you know like the Weather Underground and the UnaBomber – and of course whacked out nut cases.
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outlander
Posted September 29, 2008 at 9:12 am
It turned out that the perp was the Muslim brother in law of one of the celebrants who was mad because his wife had tried to make him eat sushi.
heh, Good catch outlander.
I wonder what the other conspiracy duh Libs will think of next to blame on Christians or anyone on the right.
Usually you can simply ask a professor if you can sit in…
Dang, WSU charges for auditing.
From their website:
“Auditing Course Fees
Tuition and fees per semester hour for courses and workshops audited are the same as for courses taken for credit. ”
I will have to look at Newman and Friends, but given that their are private schools, probably not.
I know other states have more liberal policies about education. Used to be that Jr colleges in California were without tuition costs for residents. Don;t know if that is still the case.
ANyway, hope someone else has better luck in their area. Auditing could be a good way to gain knowledge solely for your own benefit.
DavidB
Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink
Usually you can simply ask a professor if you can sit in…
Hmm. Never thought of that. Good idea!!!
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DavidB
Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink
Usually you can simply ask a professor if you can sit in…
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Never been that way at any university I’ve been to. One reason is liability laws and security.
Maybe for one class on one day or night session, but not for an entire session.
If you want to audit the class, that is usually on a space available basis and you have to pay for the course and the books and meet the minimum requirements for attendance and participation.
Boxlock,
You still trying to pass off that bs as gospel. Adolph would be proud.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/AreWeHeadedForAnEpicBearMarket.aspx?page=2
snip
Here’s how it worked: In olden days, like 10 years ago, banks wrote and funded their own loans. In the new game, Das points out, banks “originate” loans, “warehouse” them on their balance sheet for a brief time, then “distribute” them to investors by packaging them into derivatives called collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs, and similar instruments. In this scheme, banks don’t need to tie up as much capital, so they can put more money out on loan.
The more loans that were sold, the more they could use as collateral for more loans, so credit standards were lowered to get more paper out the door — a task that was accelerated in recent years via fly-by-night brokers now accused of predatory lending practices.
Buyers of these credit risks in CDO form were insurance companies, pension funds and hedge-fund managers from Bonn to Beijing. Because money was readily available at low interest rates in Japan and the United States, these managers leveraged up their bets by buying the CDOs with borrowed funds.
So if you follow the bouncing ball, borrowed money bought borrowed money. And then because they had the blessing of credit-ratings agencies relying on mathematical models suggesting that they would rarely default, these CDOs were in turn used as collateral to do more borrowing.
In this way, Das points out, credit risk moved from banks, where it was regulated and observable, to places where it was less regulated and difficult to identify.
Turning $1 into $20
The liquidity factory was self-perpetuating and seemingly unstoppable. As assets bought with borrowed money rose in value, players could borrow more money against them, and it thus seemed logical to borrow even more to increase returns. Bankers figured out how to strip money out of existing assets to do so, much as a homeowner might strip equity from his house to buy another house.
These triple-borrowed assets were then in turn increasingly used as collateral for commercial paper — the short-term borrowings of banks and corporations — which was purchased by supposedly low-risk money market funds.
“Once you got rid of the unions, it’s worked well for you, I have to admit.”
Hey it’s not me getting rid of the unions. Just 11% of working Americans belong to them (and some not by choice because they don’t live in a right to work state).
But they will never go away. The biggest and only growing unions are those representing public employees (Fed,State). You KNOW they will never go away. In fact, they are helping keep the tax bills high.
But since you mentioned the unions – your position of giving up salary to save other workers is not official union policy. In fact, the factory many times will close and all loose their jobs, rather than take a pay cut.
Yeah Anne_M, your post above does describe what happens when the folks giving out the loans don’t retain the risk but sell it off and those buying don’t know what they are getting.
And the Clinton administration and the heads of Fannie and Freddie started and perpetuated it but lowering credit requirements to people that had no business getting those loans. Now we are in a mess.
But the way those Freddie and Fannie culprits are now Obama economic advisers. Good Gawd!
“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts – not a free society.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/missouris_obama_truth_squads_2.html
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Interesting article about what is happening in Missouri. Obama is showing his warts. Where are our free speech advocates?
The ACORN bubble has been pricked also and Obama’s ties to this organization are quiet apparent.
The more I hear the more I know that we need to make sure this man is not elected whether or not McCain was my first choice.
Other than the assumptions by dailykos (which is about as reliable as rush as a source) there has been absolutely no factual connection between some DVD and this supposed gas attack. Active imaginations, much?
And..I see capn is still calling other people liars, when he lies on a regular basis..especially about having people he doesn’t agree with “on ignore”..which does not exist on this blog.
capn is a liar.
Ah, thanks for the explanation. “Bomb planters belong to the left.” Apparently, conservatives are, by definition, incapable of bombing, And if they were to plant a bomb, they are no longer conservatives.
And if they did that, you could blame the victims of the bombing using the sushi maneuver.
A nut-case, to be sure… but “Bomb planters belong to the left” seems like a theory unsupported by the facts…
From wikip…
“McVeigh’s only known affiliations were voter registration with the Republican Party when he lived in New York, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military.”
“McVeigh believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong.”
“he distributed pro-gun rights literature and bumper stickers such as “When guns are outlawed, I will become an outlaw.”
That doesn’t sound very lefty…
Yes boxlock Raines and Mudd, good friends of Obama are at the heart of the debacle. Raines made over $96 million dollars while with Frannie.
“As an executive at Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines illegally coerced his employees to falsify accounting facts so he’d get a maximum bonus. The government-backed firm used Enron-like fraud, in part at Raines’s orders, to create the largest bail-out in US history. Raines had the whistleblower fired. From the Heritage Foundation:”
http://hennessysview.com/2008/09/15/franklin-raines-criminal-enterprise-and-barack-obama-his-accomplice/
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Where are the dims on the outrage over this?
Just in case anyone missed this from above, it is certainly worth repeating…
“Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits”
Yeah…blame everything on the current administration. Typical tactic..even when it is WRONG.
Need more be said?
http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXqGMaj&style=Default+News+Style&tmpl=newsitem
And this little beauty:
http://www.nrapvf.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=11588&T=1
Yea, I know it’s an NRA site. Take off your blinders and read for a bit – keep an open mind. Since when have liberals had such fear of differences of opinion? Since when have good liberals had such disdain for the 1st amendment?
Of course, they’ve trampled on the 2nd Amendment for years. Perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised. . . .
Scratch a lefty, find a totalitarian. It never fails.
“okobserver” –
Raines and Obama have met once, for about six minutes. You used to be a much better liar.
Obama is already attacking the 1st Amendment, even before being elected to office….how much worse would it get if he is elected?
The Obama camp has been threatening television and radio stations to keep them from airing anti-Obama ads.
The latest target is the NRA and stations in Pennsylvania.
Earlier this week, the National Rifle Association’s Political Victory Fund released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama’s longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama’s real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment.
They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they run NRA-PVF’s ads.
The Obama camp is particularly angry with an NRA ad entitled “Hunter” which lays out Obama’s record on gun control.
You can see the “Hunter” ad — Go Here Now;
http://election.newsmax.com/nra_Hunter.html
Other NRA ads include “Way of Life” and another focusing on Joe Biden’s record, “Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama.”
This week, Obama’s campaign general counsel Bob Bauer wrote seeking to censor the ads at stations in Pennsylvania.
“Unlike federal candidates, independent political organizations do not have a ‘right to command the use of broadcast facilities,’” Bauer writes. “Moreover, you have a duty ‘to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising.’”
“This advertising is false, misleading, and deceptive,” Bauer continued. “We request that you immediately cease airing this advertising.”
The NRA says Obama’s camp are sending out these “intimidating cease and desist letters” to cable operators and television stations, threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads.
The NRA charged that “Obama and the DNC have been using strong-arm tactics reminiscent of Chicago machine politics to try and cover up the truth and silence NRA by forcing the stations to assist them in hiding Obama’s radical anti-gun record.”
And now, Obama and the DNC have opened a new front in their assault on your First Amendment rights by calling on their followers to contact these station managers to demand that the stations not run NRA-PVF’s ads.
NRA stands behind the accuracy of these ads, and NRA attorneys have responded to the Obama campaign’s despicable and abusive attempt to trample on the First Amendment by sending a thorough rebuttal to station managers. This rebuttal clearly and conclusively refutes the Obama campaign’s fallacious claims that the ads are inaccurate.
The NRA has set up a Web site detailing its position on Obama at http://www.gunbanobama.com.
DavidB I agree with you that bombers aren’t from the left if you agree with me that they aren’t from the right either.
McVey was emotionally unstable. His father said he had been like this for years. He joined a militia group and was pushed over the top. This group wasn’t made up of dems or repubs. It was however made up of radicals with their own agenda.
To try to put the blame right or left is to ignore the problem just as saying this financial crisis is caused by either party.
As Barney Frank just pointed out on the House floor, for eleven years the Republican controlled Congress did not pass one bill to reign in the financiers. Congress passed one within four months of being improved with a Democratic majority..
golly gee whiz here’s a bomber
From wiki
Eric Robert Rudolph (born September 19, 1966), also known as the Olympic Park Bomber, is an American radical described by the FBI as a terrorist[2] who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States which killed two people and injured at least 150 others.
Rudolph declared that his bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion and what he describes as “the homosexual agenda.” He spent years as the FBI’s most wanted criminal fugitive, but was eventually caught. In 2005 Rudolph pleaded guilty to numerous federal and state homicide charges and accepted five consecutive life sentences in exchange for avoiding a trial and the death penalty. Rudolph was connected with the Christian Identity movement;[3] although he has denied that his crimes were religiously or racially motivated[4], Rudolph has also called himself a Roman Catholic at war over abortion[5].
“GMC70″ –
What “abuse?” I’m not getting from the article what he did or is doing to get your panties in a twist….
Some details and facts would be nice or be quiet.
Here you go David B.
In politics, left-wing, the political left, or the Left are positions that seek to reform or abolish the existing social order in favor of a more equal outcomes.[1] Left-wing movements tend to have their roots in Marxism.
Kommies are big time users of firearms and bombs. Radical intervention via violence is a specialty of the left with justification disguised as ’social change.’
The point is that if you fan the flames of hatred by distributing propaganda designed to inspire fear, you produce acts of violence by unstable fellow travelers.
This is not an endorsement of criminalizing free speech, it is a call for responsible behavior by people like the group distributing these DVDs in order to frighten people into supporting McCain.
Monkey the connection was there. It is documented. I don’t call you a liar and if that is the extent of your vocubulary then perhaps the radio wasn’t the right place for you.
http://vodpod.com/watch/1038839-dems-refuse-to-reform-freddie-fannie-in-2004-video?pod=mountainsage
DavidB
Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:15 am | Permalink
As Barney Frank just pointed out on the House floor, for eleven years the Republican controlled Congress did not pass one bill to reign in the financiers. Congress passed one within four months of being improved with a Democratic majority..
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Listen to the link I just posted above. Be sure to watch the whole thing because Bill Clinton is very clear at the end on who tried to clean it up years ago. If you don’t want the truth then don’t listen.
annie_moose
Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:16 am | Permalink
golly gee whiz here’s a bomber
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Annie you can blame Rudolph on the right as soon as the left steps up and takes ownership of Fred Phelps.
Of course the Weather Underground took great pains to avoid injuring people by giving good advance warning.
After the townhouse explosion which killed thier own, they realized they were on the path to murder… they met and abandoned the bombing of government property.
DavidB funny you should mention Barney Frank.
“Barney Frank’s Former Boyfriend Herb Moses A Fannie Mae Executive
“Media Mum on Barney Frank’s Fannie Mae Love Connection” reports that head of the House Banking Committee Barney Frank’s former significant other Herb Moses
Prominent Democrats ran Fannie Mae, the same government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) that donated campaign cash to top Democrats. And one of Fannie Mae’s main defenders in the House – Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., a recipient of more than $40,000 in campaign donations from Fannie since 1989 – was once romantically involved with a Fannie Mae executive.”
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
Many thanks to Richard Crowson for those thought provoking editorial cartoons over the years……you will be missed! And a great big bronx strawberry to the person who made that decsion…surely there was another choice….like Mark McCormick! Talk about a biased, racist reporter…..if you aint from his neighborhood, you ain’t jack!
My apologies, “okobserver” –
You’re probably just as good a liar as you ever were.
Davidb will you never stop making excuses for the left. I guess you could say the the 9/11 bombers repented and realized they were killing innocents after those bombing. None of them did it again.
You can’t argue with logic like that can you.
ok okie,
I personally take responsibility for Fred and his clan of devout fundy Christians, feel better now.
From your atheist friend,
Annie moose
Monkey an insult from you is worth more than the approval of my staunchest ally.
Thanks
Annie you define yourself by your faith or lack of it. Why do you have such a problem with what others believe. And BTW how did what you just posted have anything to do with what I said.
I’ll type slower this time. There are two major parties. The democrats and republicans. You were intimating that Rudolph was a republican. To my knowledge this has never been proven. He has stated to the contrary in fact.
Fred Phelps is a registered democrat in the state of Kansas. You know your party.
In no way shape or form did I bring up religion with you. Are you fixated on it? If so maybe you need couseling. If not then quit injecting it in every thread.
okobserver
Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink
Monkey an insult from you is worth more than the approval of my staunchest ally.
Thanks
*****
I used to wonder why it was so difficult to communicate with some people. There must have been a reason why some folks called me “naive”.
Never been that way at any university I’ve been to.
Back in the 70’s, I used occasionally to sit in at a couple of classes at WSU with a friend who was a student. Nobody ever said a word, and nobody was asked if it was okay.
geez…
I used to occasionally sit in..
“okobserver” flatters –
“Monkey an insult from you is worth more than the approval of my staunchest ally.
“Thanks”
Glad to brighten your days.
Perhaps I should do the same for John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term), considering how he has so few days left.
Take away Fred’s fundie nonsense and he’s not bothering anybody is he now?
Ideologically that puts him in your camp.
My camp is the one that at least tries to mind their own freaking bizness.
See the d i f f e r e n c e.
Difference is the contrary of equality, in particular of objects. Differences can only be stated on the basis of a comparison or categorization. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference
“I used to wonder why it was so difficult to communicate with some people. There must have been a reason why some folks called me “naive”.”
I don’t call you naive Steven, I call you intentionally ignorant of the facts and….well, a little stupid as well.
Sorry, that’s the way I see it.
AND NOW FOR OUR LISTENING PLEASURE – I PRESENT TO YOU – WHEN HOPE WAS BORN – BY BOB GEORGE
http://realanswers.net/radio/desc/002427.html
HE IS MY FAVORITE – I’VE LISTENED TO HIM FOR 25 YEARS – MAY GOD BE WITH AND BLESS ALL WHO POST HERE
Unless it’s a tiny, and usually upper-level course with participants more-or-less hand-picked by a distinguish professor, I can’t imagine auditing a class would ruffle anybody’s feathers.
Available space is an issue sometimes. But so many students cut so many classes, most college instructors I know appreciate the addition of someone who seems to be interested in what’s going on during their lectures.
If an auditor were to be disruptive, I suppose the auditing fees are there as a way to get ‘em out; if you pay to audit, why not go ahead and enroll in the course and pay for the credit?
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annie_moose
Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink
Take away Fred’s fundie nonsense and he’s not bothering anybody is he now?
Ideologically that puts him in your camp.
My camp is the one that at least tries to mind their own freaking bizness.
See the d i f f e r e n c e.
Difference is the contrary of equality, in particular of objects. Differences can only be stated on the basis of a comparison or categorization. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference
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With the exception of mathematical dissimilar(s), computer machine languages, the language spoken, non-verbal communication, sign language, semaphore, smoke signals, morse code, waves of all bandwidths, quatum particles…
Annie you only mind your own business in your own mind. Your side always personalized every issue. It can’t be a dimo problem so it must be a republican issue.
Annie I would encourage you to use your own mind. I think in most instances you can do this without having wiki back it up for you.
Please tell me where I have gotten in your ‘bizness’ today and I will avoid that in the future.
Steven I used to enjoy our discussion a lot and then you went to lunch with Reg and either were manipulated or your true character came out. I don’t know which. We aren’t adversaries – just people on different side of the aisle politically.
Neither of us will live or die on the results of this election.
How come the Eagle can’t get rid of anyone I want gone?
Like a couple of editors (in other departments)…
Other than curiosity and the willingness to learn, the primary reason to audit a course is for a refresher.
or
i.e., an undergraduate course that wasn’t taken, not a prerequisite for an upper or graduate level course, but is highly recommended by the professor teaching the course.
Example: Advanced Statistics utilizing software is not often taught in undergraduate basic statistics class, but software is often utilized in advanced courses that used statistics.
Plus, auditing a course, doesn’t affect your grade point average, which becomes important in academic measurement of standing for entry into graduate schools.
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mrcontroversy
Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
How come the Eagle can’t get rid of anyone I want gone?
Like a couple of editors (in other departments)…
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Are they subscribers to Cox Cable? :D
Regular:
The question is, do they pay for their subscriptions to Cox Cable, or… (okay, I’ll keep my big mouth shut and NOT say what I’m thinking for a change).
“mrcontroversy” –
In staff reductions of this sort I remember the delicate words of Lyndon Baines Johnson on why he didn’t fire J. Edgar Hoover:
“I’d rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.”
Such personnel matters invoke the “Ted Baxter Rule” from the last episode of “Mary Tyler Moore.” All the good ones got canned but Ted Baxter remained.
“The more loans that were sold, the more they could use as collateral for more loans, so credit standards were lowered to get more paper out the door — a task that was accelerated in recent years via fly-by-night brokers now accused of predatory lending practices.”
Really?
‘cuz I thought it was because libruls made bankers give loans to colored folks…
heheheh. I got that from Crooks and Liars!
So Acording to Regular the founding fathers were violent Commies?
I’d forgotten about MTM.
But there are still a lot of people at the Eagle I’ve been friends with for over 30 years.
So far, none of them have left… yet.
This is what happens when you let hedge funds run everything.
Here’s hoping we get a President and Congress who will give the Bruce Shermans of the world exactly what’s coming to them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080929/ap_on_re_as/as_cadbury_chocolate_recall
This is the SAME THING that was killing animals earlier. We have to stop imports from China on food NOW!
“Your side always personalized every issue. It can’t be a dimo problem so it must be a republican issue.”
Works for me okie
Just to clarify things on “MY” side I am only responsible for what I do. Every one else is an individual responsible to themselves, it’s hard work being a liberal.
tata
…and phil gramm, the author of the bill that ended Glass-Stegall, and the guy who is the VP of UBS, a SWISS BANK, is mcsame’s main economic advisor? And likely to replace Paulson if mcsame, by some miracle, gets elected!
Or mcsame’s guy, Rick Davis, has ties to a company he founded that was getting payment from Fannie and Freddie A MONTH AGO?
You repukes really dont want to start comparing advisors. Really. You dont.
On either side of the aisle, if they are “economic advisors”, uh, they are part.of.the.problem.
On both sides.
Jesus WEPT! Bring Ft. Hays’ Dan Rupp back! He could make sense of economics so even the prairiebillies in his classes could understand…
As John Prine says “It dont make no sense that common sense dont make no sense no more”.
Pmom, funny you should mention that. It’s the subject of my column this week. Are you on the email list?
““It dont make no sense that common sense dont make no sense no more”.
heheheh. And I think that’s going to be the hook for next week’s column!
Good to see the partisan arguments are still strong here today.
Free advice for those who care about protecting their wealth.
If this bailout passes the house and senate, all is not lost. Socialism wins this round, but it does buy you more time to get your money out of the American Dollar.
Please listen to me. I am not here to argue or belittle your beliefs. Get out of the dollar and buy foreign equities. Buy commodities with intrinsic vale too.
Other countries have a FIAT monetary system, but they are not destroying their currencies (Yet, anyways).
If you do not understand markets and investing, you can look at Euro-Pacific Capital. It is ran by Peter Schiff. He is author of, “Crash Proof” and has predicted every step of this mess for years.
He will save you money in the long run with his low fees and buy and hold strategies. There is no minimum amount to use their services, but I suggest 10,000 to start off with. You can roll over an IRA or 401K if you need to.
Heed the warnings people. Just weeks ago everyone told us the economy was fine. They lied to us then and now are trying to fix a problem they caused. Not to mention you can’t fix a flawed system.
Good luck to you all and I’ll see you in the trenches.
hee hee hee…
Someone shoulda made a movie.
“Dr. StrangeRupp, or how I came to love the free markets”
So AE, uh, how much is peter schiff paying you? Is he using koch to do it?
Or are you ol’ pete himself?
Are you on the email list?
I’m not. Can you add me? Still have my addy?
“This is the SAME THING that was killing animals earlier. We have to stop imports from China on food NOW!”
Agreed. Buy American. Better yet, buy local.
Free advertising.
I invest my own money, but it took a lot of time for me to learn. For those who don’t want to, I’m offering an alternative. I just read his book and it is spot on.
You may not agree with Ron Paul on a lot of things, but he has been dead on about the economy and money for years.
Why are all the networks going to him now? Shiff shares his philosophy.
It’s just like me telling you to go see a movie in theatres. It is free advertising for the movie industry. I am just suggesting a movie for everyone to go see.
Oh, well then….
“I just read his book and it is spot on.”
I take it you probably also stayed at a Holiday Inn last night?
(Big eye roll)
I don’t work at Koch by the way.
I just enjoyed his book and really like his philosophy on how to run a business.
Read, “The Science of Success” for a more in depth understanding.
I just read alot. I like to suggest good books for people to grow their minds.
No Sol, I dont have your email anymore, but if you send it to me, again, I will send you the column!
Ever notice that most of the posters in here during the day are liberals?
They’re churning the chum on the blog while the rest of us are off cranking the cogs of the economy.
Just an observation.
Please, Libs, continue with the hate.
I’ll bite Farmgirl.
I do not claim to know everything. How can I? I do know a little about a lot though.
We live in a controlled, centrally planned economy. It is very easy to learn to read the markets and invest once you get that. 80% of the money in the market is owned by a few institutions.
I wish you luck. Check out my recommendations if you have a chance.
It’s in your yahoo acct.
Nice work, “ksfarmgrrl” –
Is that a John Pryne line?
Here’s another wrinkle a friend of mine brought up over coffee this weekend.
Now that the Treasury Department’s got $700 Billion of bad mortgages to auction off and try to get some of our money back, they’re gonna have to hire analysts to determine what paper is worthless and what paper has value.
And who are the people with the resumes to fill such jobs? The same people who were working at Merril-Lynch, AIG, Lehman Brothers, WaMu, Wachovia… when they invested in that paper in the first place!
Whenever there’s a flood, there’s an inspiring story on television how good red-blooded American line up to stack sandbags along the riverside. And a couple of days later, inevitably, the sandbags give way and the little town of Grundy Center, Iowa loses its battle against the elements.
I fear the current bail-out is sandbagging. It’s not gonna do any good but we all came together to try to do something.
I saw a list of the “We gottas” and the “Nuh-uhs” this morning in Congress. All over the board as far as party affiliation, traditional conservatives or liberals. I guarantee there’s so much dancing in the House of Representatives this morning Arthur Murray would get a hernia.
I don’t know how you go about limiting the drunken-craps-player-in-a-casino mentality that’s run Wall Street since the Reagan era.
MH:
Any link to that list?
“I don’t know how you go about limiting the drunken-craps-player-in-a-casino mentality that’s run Wall Street since the Reagan era.”
Heh, Monkeyhawk, I think that attitude is a HUMAN attitude, and as long as humans run Wall Street… WE NEED REGULATION!
I dont have the answer either, but as usual, John Prine does…
“I said you must know the answer, she said no, but I’ll give it a try. And to this very day, we’ve been livin’ our way, and here is the reason why.
We blew up our tvs. Threw away our papers. Moved to the country, built us a home. Planted a little garden. Had a lot of children. Fed ‘em on peaches.
They all found Jesus on their own.”
heheheh!
Of course, Prine also wrote “Some Humans Aint Human”.
My puppy agrees.
It seems to me that there is as good a chance that the bailout/rescue proposal exacerbates the situation as it will stabilize things. Just a feeling, no hard facts or evidence to support either side of the argument.
How does the bailout/rescue plan help with the problems caused by the derivatives, most it seems put together and marketed in a unregulated way? So, the paper is purchased, yada yada, but how does this help the default problem? Renegotiation of the terms and conditions of the underlying mortgages allowing the same to be paid over time would help, but given any extension of time and change in interest rates, the value of the collateral (using that term advisedly) would decline, thus further causing the derivative value to decline.
Proper valuation of the paper is a must; but given who will be doing the valuing (and being paid a fee for the services) looks like good money after bad.
As I posted some time ago, freeing capital could occur without the purchase of the paper, by capital infusions in return for equity positions, and which, IMHO, would do more to add liquidity than what’s now being voted upon. You know, kinda how Citi is going to raise capital to finance the Wachovia asset acquisition.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 29, 2008 at 12:50 pm | Permalink
“I don’t know how you go about limiting the drunken-craps-player-in-a-casino mentality that’s run Wall Street since the Reagan era.”
Heh, Monkeyhawk, I think that attitude is a HUMAN attitude, and as long as humans run Wall Street… WE NEED REGULATION!
I dont have the answer either, but as usual, John Prine does…
“I said you must know the answer, she said no, but I’ll give it a try. And to this very day, we’ve been livin’ our way, and here is the reason why.
We blew up our tvs. Threw away our papers. Moved to the country, built us a home. Planted a little garden. Had a lot of children. Fed ‘em on peaches.
They all found Jesus on their own.”
heheheh!
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How about you get rid of the federal reserve system and watch the need to regulate businesses go down the drain?
You do need regulation if you are going to centrally plan an economy.
Why don’t you let me read your newsletter. I’d like to see what you are writing. Thanks.
Don’t know if MH can get a link, mrc, but that topic (valuation by those who got us here) was talked about quite a bit last week in some of the financial press blogs I saw, most of which were decidedly negative about it.
I was referring to a link for who’s for or agin the bailout thingy.
Sorry, mrc, misunderstood your request.
Meanwhile, CNN.com breaking news: Dow falls more than 600 on fears bailout will fail (or words to that effect). Wonder why? /sarcasm
“How does the bailout/rescue plan help with the problems caused by the derivatives, most it seems put together and marketed in a unregulated way?”
Uh, it doesnt, as you already know.
Smoke and mirrors. The decline in housing prices is not addressed in this bailout, and, short of buying up all those homes that are now worth more dead than alive, I dont know what to do about the housing market. The subprimes and other gyrations kept it on life support for a while, but there will be a correction.
In the mean time, wall street called. It wants its money by Friday, or it will shoot this kitten….
They didnt get the elevator, they got the bail out.
But we still got the shaft…
No bail out……yet.
Sure AE. Just send me your email…
“mrcontroversy” –
This’ll get a rise out of the CONs.
It’s on this morning’s DailyKos.
But they’re voting right now on C-SPAN.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 29, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
Sure AE. Just send me your email…
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I don’t know your email.
Looks like at the moment, the current bill is going down in flames in the House. And it aint just repukes rebelling. Lots of democrats bucking hard too.
The horses dont like this cold, hard, bit in their mouth.
DOW PLUNGE AS BAILOUT VOTE FAILS
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93GHC180&show_article=1
“And it burns, burns, burns, the ring of fire, the ring of fire”- J.C.
No bail out as of yet!
Awesome. They are actually listening to the people.
Find out who is voting for this bill and make sure they lose their next election.
“I don’t know your email”
Then you must not be a friend :) I guess we’re at a stand off, eh?
Right now it’s losing by 19 votes.
A lot of party disparity, but more Republic Party votes against it and more Democrats for it.
You know there’s arm-twisting and deal-making going on all over the place.
Ya know Anti, I tend to agree with your “let ‘m burn” philosophy, but I also think Barney Frank is right when he said the rich will be ok in the coming crash. It’s the little folks who will be hurt.
My understanding is the democrats, having been burned by the white house and the republicans on this, will walk away with no bill.
Then when the pain hits Main street, they’ll shrug their shoulder and say “we tried, but you blocked it”…
And the beat goes on.
I feel the price of eggs about to go up!
The Dow down 500 points.
Where do we go from here?
This is real biparstian legislation in action. I love to see it. The Dow is going up and down like one of those perpetual motion machines with the five silver balls you set on your desk.
CNN says the Dow is not something we should be over concerned about. A reaction to the the ‘on again and off again’ vote. Gavel dropped with the nays holding.
Central banks pump in $620bn as shares plummet-
Analysts said the developments switched attention back to the international nature of the banking and financial upheavals spawned by the credit crisis.
“I think there has been a very lax attitute over the last couple of weeks … [suggesting] it’s been seen as a purely US-centric problem,” Jeremy Stretch, of Rabobank, said.
“We’ve gone from a piecemeal response in the US to something more substantive with the bailout package. Whether it works or not is a different matter.”
The euro also fell heavily against the dollar amid concern over the eurozone’s banking strife and the adequacy of arrangements for bank rescues in the 15-nation bloc. The euro lost as much as 1.8 per cent against the dollar, falling to levels of about $1.4340 from a US close of $1.4613 on Friday.
Tokyo’s Nikkei 225 index was down 1.3 per cent at 11,743.61, and Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index shed 2.1 per cent to 18,286.90.
“They’re worried that another fire is starting in Europe,” said Castor Pang, an analyst at Sun Hung Kai Financial in Hong Kong.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/article4844255.ece
The gavel is down. Victory for the people.
Don’t let up though. This is just the beginning.
Find out who supported socialism and spit on the constitution and oust them.
Democrats and Republicans supported this bill.
No difference between the two major parties it seems.
“ksfarmgrrl” –
You’re gonna live like a sultan with your egg-manufacturing critters.
Need a limo-driver?
KFG- Can you put me on the list? I think you have my email from the PC.
Thanks
206 Aye
227 Nay
London bridge is falling down,
Falling down, falling down,
London bridge is falling down,
My fair lady.
Build it up with wood and clay,
Wood and clay, wood and clay,
Build it up with wood and clay,
My fair lady.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 29, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
Ya know Anti, I tend to agree with your “let ‘m burn” philosophy, but I also think Barney Frank is right when he said the rich will be ok in the coming crash. It’s the little folks who will be hurt.
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Well, maybe they will buy only one Ferrari instead of 3 this coming year….but yes, you are mostly right, the CEO’s will get out unscathed…
The socialism horse left the barn, IMO AE, when the AIG deal went down. The newly-failed proposal was just building on what the Department of the Treasury had already done.
That said, you are correct that this “isn’t over”. It will be most interesting to see what falls out, and my precious little money is on the side that holds it won’t be pretty.
Gster, I think you are on the list, but I’ll check and add you if not! Glad to see ya. Everytime there is a motorcycle accident in Wichita, I worry about you and Walker and the XXX’s.
“Need a limo-driver?”
Heh Monkey! No, but I do need a “compost” shoveler to clean out the coop?
I suspect, somehow, that is beneath your “pay grade”. hehehehehheh!
the House voted it down
Invest in Dirt!! It is what everything will be worth! HEE HAW!!!
Yeah Anti, they’ll have one less Ferrari, and the rest of us will have one less…
House.
Car.
Business.
Stocked refrigerator.
Oh yeah, and one less retirement plan.
But I guess we can still eat cake?
VT, you are correct about the socialism horse having left the barn long ago. And as much as paulie likes to lie, it was a republican secretary in a republican administration cabinet position who opened the barn door and whooped the horse on the ass to get him going!
Timing is everything –
http://www.whitehouse.gove just posted this release:
Bush confident bailout bill will stabilize economy
And when has he ever steered us wrong?
ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 29, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink
Yeah Anti, they’ll have one less Ferrari, and the rest of us will have one less…
House.
Car.
Business.
Stocked refrigerator.
Oh yeah, and one less retirement plan.
But I guess we can still eat cake?
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Pay off your debt quickly as possible.
Get your money into another currencies market.
Save your wealth instead of spending it. Saving is what should happen during a recession.
KFG-Thanks. I also worry about my butt when on my bike. I bought a new bigger one last week , and my rear is sore from all the riding to break it in!
But I guess we can still eat cake?
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No. Cake has grain meal in it, gain is devoted to ethanol….sorry, try Dirt….
Stocked refrigerator.
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I try to kill or grow my own food, when possible….going to have to fend off the neighbors!
“I bought a new bigger one last week , and my rear is sore”
heheheh. Oh, poor BABY!
‘McCain’s Lost Chance‘
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/28/AR2008092802233.html?referrer=emailarticle
“McCain, once the candidate of tested experience, must now battle the perception that he has become the riskier choice, a man too given to rash moves under pressure.
Obama, whose very newness promised change but also raised doubts, has emerged as the cool and unruffled candidate who moves calmly but steadily forward. However one judges the first debate, it did nothing to block Obama’s progress.”
“I try to kill or grow my own food, when possible….going to have to fend off the neighbors!” — the wefu
Why not kill two birds with one stone?
Why not kill two birds with one stone?-drooler
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Food has feathers or 4 legs, not two legs and no feathers.
KFG, for a lesbo, you sometimes think straight!
(a joking complement, hopefully taken well)
Very presidential. NOT!
McCain’s Irish joke falls flat
‘It was really an insult to a whole nationality to be stereotyped as drunks’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/2008/sep/26/uselections2008.johnmccain
cosmos_originally
Posted September 29, 2008 at 1:54 pm | Permalink
Very presidential. NOT!
McCain’s Irish joke falls flat
‘It was really an insult to a whole nationality to be stereotyped as drunks’
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Yeah, buuuut issss true…(hick up)
“Food has feathers or 4 legs”
Heheheh. And sometimes it has fins. Or… even though GOD HATES SHRIMP.. it has a shell or an exoskeleton too!
Heheheh. And sometimes it has fins.
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Good point KFG, even thought I fish often around here, remember I spent many years in the desert of SW KS and sometimes don’t relate fish to kill-able food! Ha HA
sand fish are very gritty..
Jack rabbit is the easiest “fish” to catch in the Arkansas River out west!
next to box turtle.
ANTI posted September 29, 2008 at 1:56 pm
McCain’s Irish joke falls flat
‘It was really an insult to a whole nationality to be stereotyped as drunks’
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Yeah, buuuut issss true…(hick up)
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So why did McCain PRAISE Ireland’s tax rate, a few days after making the Irish joke?
McCain’s Irish joke falls flat
‘It was really an insult to a whole nationality to be stereotyped as drunks’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/deadlineusa/2008/sep/26/uselections2008.johnmccain
“Tonight’s debate is technically about foreign policy — so John McCain had better hope he doesn’t get any Ireland questions.”
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/26/debate.mississippi.transcript/
MCCAIN: Right now, the United States of American business pays the second-highest business taxes in the world, 35 percent. Ireland pays 11 percent.
Chuck Norris was once in Huckleberry’s camp, now he’s supporting Ron Paul…sorta.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/65022
“Jack rabbit is the easiest “fish” to catch in the Arkansas River out west!”
Hee hee heeeeeee!
Only out here do we call a .22 shell BAIT!
Only out here do we call a .22 shell BAIT!
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HA! They go by the same name out there! However, some use a 4-wheeler tire to get a similar effect.
I asked someone at Tiahrt’s Wichita office if they would take an opinion from me.
The reply: “As long as you don’t yell at me.”
“I won’t yell at you,” I promised, in my deepest, friendliest voice.
(316) 262-8992 is the number at the Tiahrt office.
Please don’t yell.
HA!!!
My congressman ROCKS!!!!
U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers, (MI-08) released the following statement today regarding his vote opposing H.R. 3997, the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act:
“The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act does not focus on our real problems — a struggling economy, foreclosures and falling home values. Good alternatives are available to us; from sensible tax relief to assistance for struggling homeowners there are many bi-partisan plans Congress could have chosen.
“But despite days of negotiating, this is still the same bailout bill, written by a Wall Street guy with a Wall Street solution to a problem created on Wall Street. This bill was still a blank check to Henry Paulson. It still provided no serious help for homeowners struggling to pay their mortgages. It still could have cost us as much as $700 billion.
“My priority has always been working for Michigan families and I will continue to work to create jobs in Michigan, lower energy prices and keep families in their homes. This bill would only take more Michigan tax dollars and Michigan families will see nothing for it. Now that the false choice of the Paulson Plan or nothing is gone, Congress should immediately get back to work on a solution that Congress and the American people can support.”
Sol, I wish more Reps. thought that way.
And this is an (almost) BLUE state !!!! Cheesin big time. Congressman Rogers just got a supporter for his next run. CHEEEEEEEEEEEESE !!!!
And they are talking about the bailout. The bailout is an abomination. Now, I’m a guy who last week said you’ve got to stop the plane from flying into the side of the mountain, but this bailout, there’s no way I would have my — I can’t get through to my senator and congressman. I can’t even get an e-mail to them. Everything is full. Keep trying. You have to decide whether it’s right or wrong. This is the moment, and I do not say this lightly. I don’t think I’ve ever said this except on September 11th. This is the moment that we must become the greatest American generation. I do not say that I can’t — I don’t want my name anywhere attached to this bailout. I don’t say that lightly because what I know is coming on the other side is collapse and quite possibly — everybody now is saying 1929. I think it may be bigger than 1929. Our very survival may be at stake. So I don’t say it lightly because if it doesn’t pass, it’s coming and it’s coming like a load of bricks, but it’s coming anyway. And what do you have left after it is what matters at this point. Everybody is talking about the bailout. I think what everybody wants to know is, wait a minute, wait a minute, what does this mean? I’ve got a kid going into college. What does that mean for my job? What does this mean, how do I afford food? What do I do? I don’t have a broker. I’ve got a 401(k). I’ve got a few thousand dollars maybe in the bank, most likely I’ve got a few hundred dollars in the bank. What does all of this mean to me? I’m going to speak directly to you on that coming up at the top of next hour. I want you to know that you’re not alone. I want you to know that that’s where most people are, and the media and everybody else is talking macro, and you’re at micro, and is anybody paying attention to micro or is it all macro? We’re not living in a history book. There are real people that are affected. What is it going to mean to you and what’s the best way to protect yourself? I will help you through some of those answers coming up at the top of next hour.
But first, I do want to talk macro and I do want to talk about what’s in this bill because if you are going to be the greatest American generation, if you are going to be one of those Americans that finally stands up and says, wait a minute, and you take charge of your own life, you need to know the facts. A guy who has been there and who has been there this weekend, heard all of the inside dealings, knows about this bill and quite frankly I may disagree with him on a lot of things, but the economy is not one of them. He has called it right every step of the way. Ron Paul is with us now. Ron, this is your cup of tea. This is your ocean. How are you navigating? Where should we be going?
RON PAUL: Well, we’re going in the wrong direction. We’re in a problem for the precise reason, we spent too much, we borrowed too much and we inflated the currency too much and now we’re in trouble and the market is saying you have to make the corrections of all the mistakes. People, you know, have to liquidate bad debt and get rid of the bad investments. So everything we’re doing right now is to perpetuate all the mistakes.
GLENN: Right.
RON PAUL: Instead of admitting it and allowing us to get rid of the bad stuff and start all over again. So this just prolongs the agony and actually makes the long-term problems worse because everything that we do is done through more inflation of the money supply, which means that we will have runaway inflation if we continue to do this along with recession or depression and I think these scare tactics are going to backfire on everybody who ends up voting for this.
GLENN: Hold on just a second. What do you mean scare tactics? You told me last week or two weeks ago that you felt we could be headed for a 1989 Soviet style collapse.
RON PAUL: But the people who want us to vote for this are saying, you know, that if you don’t, you’re going to cause it. It is true that if we don’t vote for this, the markets are going to be, you know, in bad shape. There’s going to be a downturn. And if we do vote for it, the same thing is going to happen. The only thing is the choice is which one you want, the one that’s going to last 10 years or the one that’s going to last one year, and it’s a terrible choice. Politicians don’t like those kind of choices. So they are going to opt out by pretending that they can salvage things for one year and then a miracle’s going to come along and these worthless assets that the taxpayers are stuck with are all of a sudden going to have value, and there’s not much chance of that happening.
GLENN: What’s happening behind the scenes in Washington this weekend?
RON PAUL: Well, it’s really interesting. I think those of us who don’t get into the discussion and the negotiations, you know, we don’t know exactly what’s happening. But what I hear —
GLENN: Wait, wait, wait. Why are you not in the — this is, this is your issue. How are you not involved in this? How are you not inserting yourself?
RON PAUL: Well, for a long time there was one Republican or two Republicans that participated, especially from the House side and then later on when the Republicans were getting ready to rebel and not vote for it, then they incorporated them. But it would be just, you know, Bainer and Blount and a few others that would go in. I’m, you know, I’m not considered important enough to, you know, be involved in that. But I do talk to other members and quite frankly they might have bitten off more than they can chew because I sense that I don’t know where those votes are coming from. There’s so many Democrats opposed to it and so many Republicans. But usually they know how to count. I mean, they’re terrible with the math dealing with the people’s finance, but they usually can count these votes. But quite frankly I wouldn’t bet that this deal is locked up. But then again most of the time they get these things passed and the taxpayers suffer.
GLENN: What’s the worst part of this bill?
RON PAUL: Money, the money involved and the principle, the propping up of the same economic principles that brought us down, at the same time coming up with unlimited funds. They talk, we talk about 700 or 350 plus 1 and the congress has recourse and all that nonsense. This is a $700 billion commitment and if that doesn’t work, they will come back for more. They have already spent $700 billion, or at least used $700 billion of credit. So it’s open-ended. All of this has to make a difference on the dollar. The dollar value has to go down.
GLENN: Okay. Tell me — because I have had real — I mean, I’ve had people who have been in the room with Paulson and the people that are talking to me are all saying the same thing: The days of spending are over. There is no way to spend any more. Any politician that tells you that they can spend, they’re lying. Because it’s just not going to hold. The center will not hold any more spending and yet all of them — and the debates over the weekend, they were still going on and one was talking about a spending freeze and the other was still saying, “Well, we’ve got to help out.” You know that promises are going to be made. We are going to be seduced that we can — “if you vote for me, I will reduce your pain because the government can help out.” Can you explain it all to America what’s around the corner?
RON PAUL: It’s a system that we have. They’ve never had to be responsible. They figure if we spend and buy votes, that’s good; we’ll tax them. We can’t tax them anymore, we’ll keep borrowing and the Chinese will provide all these funds that we need. And we run out of steam there and they resort to the Federal Reserve to monetize that and just create the money out of thin air. So this is what’s going to happen. I don’t — I guess I disagree with you. I don’t think they are going to quit spending. Not that the middle class or Americans are going to say, hey, quit the spending. What makes them quit spending is the market. The market, you know —
GLENN: That’s what I’m saying.
RON PAUL: Oh, yeah, the marketplace finally objects and then that’s when they freeze up and dump securities and they want real value and they demand sound financing. But the politicians aren’t likely to do the right things.
GLENN: Can I be real frank with you? I’ve always been frank with you and it causes problems sometimes but let me be real frank with you. I honestly when I booked you, I honestly thought you would come out and you would be much more — you’d be much more passionate about what’s going on. I can’t tell honestly, I don’t think you’re voting for this, right?
RON PAUL: Oh, my goodness.
GLENN: And you have been much more frank with me before on what’s coming, and the reason why I bring this up is because I don’t think anybody in America would accept surgery from a doctor that said, “You need surgery, you need surgery, you’ve got to have surgery right now” without saying, “Well, wait a minute, what are my odds of survival? Am I dying?” No one will assess.
RON PAUL: Okay.
GLENN: — how bad things are and if this thing has a chance of working. And if it doesn’t work, if you don’t vote for it, what happens. If you do vote for it, what happens. And what does life look like a year from now.
RON PAUL: I think what you’re sensing is that the hysteria here is if we don’t vote for this, the end of the world’s going to come tomorrow and therefore you have to vote for this $700 billion. I don’t believe that’s true. I don’t believe tomorrow that’s going to happen. But I believe we have embarked on a course that I have been preaching about for 35 years that we’re going to destroy the dollar. The dollar system, the reserve currency of the world, I mean, when I get into that, it gets too pessimistic because really nobody wants to hear it because I don’t think it’s just going to be a collapse of Wall Street. I think it’s going to be the collapse of Western civilization. I think, Glenn, you might not want to hear this. Our empire has to end, too, and our empire has to come home because that’s what we do to ourselves. We destroy our ability to even promote ourselves overseas. We spend too much overseas. Our troops will be coming home. There will be a change, and the welfare state is going to end. But not tomorrow if we don’t pass this bill. That’s what I’m trying to say is —
GLENN: I want you to know —
RON PAUL: We don’t need to panic into voting for this.
GLENN: I want you to know, Ron, that I am against you on the empire thing but I don’t think we are that far apart actually. I have always gotten the impression that you’re just like, “I’m bringing them all home.” Well, you can’t reverse 200 and some years of moving in one direction overnight. You can’t do that. You’ve got to slowly bring it up. That’s why I’m for, get our own energy, start to slowly pull ourselves back in, and you can’t just leave a vacuum. However, I do think I agree with you that our empire is going to end because we’re not going to be able to afford anything.
RON PAUL: Right.
GLENN: Right?
RON PAUL: And it will end quickly, too.
GLENN: Yes.
RON PAUL: When the dollar goes, that will go quickly. I mean, the Soviet system ended rather quickly, you know. And that was an economic event. It wasn’t a political event or an invasion by the United States.
GLENN: Right.
RON PAUL: It ended for economic reasons.
GLENN: The banks around the world, I mean, I love how this is the failed Bush policies. I don’t believe it’s the failed Bush policies. I mean, I think he was part of it. I think Chris Dodd was part of it. I think Barney Frank is an abomination when it comes to what’s been going on. But it’s more than that because it’s happened all over the world. The Netherlands, what did they nationalize 49% of their banks over the weekend? Another bank bombed in England over the weekend. This is not us necessarily spreading it overseas. These kinds of things have been happening, the same kind of behavior here has been happening globally. True or false?
RON PAUL: Well, that’s true. But we have to understand why. This has been building since 1971 when we gave up on the last link to the gold standard under Bretton Woods, we devised a dollar standard. We were the most powerful economic group as well as a military power and therefore they accepted the dollar and they had more trust in the dollar than it deserved. So we were privileged to print the gold and spend the money and the people accepted it around the world. So we are responsible in the sense that we had license to spend and borrow and inflate and we lived beyond our means and that is why it’s worldwide because essentially all central banks hold a lot of dollars and that’s why they inflated in their economy as well. So there’s a lot of malinvestment and debt worldwide. But it’s the dollar phenomenon. It is the international monetary system. Already there’s an article out. They accept this whole idea that I’m talking about and they say, well, we need a worldwide central bank that will take over. And, of course, that would be the worst thing in the world because we would have one single bank issuing and try to substitute, you know, substitute the dollar for something under the IMF or whomever. So we do need a new currency but it can’t be another worldwide currency run by the bank.
GLENN: We’re talking again. I mean, the calls for global control of the financial system and global control of the currency is drop dead frightening. And the way we are weeding out the small, and they’re all too — these are too big to fail, but all you small guys, you can go out of business. All you mom and pop and everything else, you can go out of business, but these ones are too big to fail. And what’s happening is the big are getting even bigger. How do you stop, how do you stop global control of financing at this point?
RON PAUL: Well, it’s getting tougher all the time. I mean, that’s something that I try to alert the people to but, you know, a few years back we had a President say that this was a new world order. It used to be said in private and it was said to be a conspiracy, but our President seemed to talk about a new world order, and they talk about globalism and they talk about international government and that’s — we’re marching on in that direction, and I just disapprove of it all. I want local sovereignty, as local as possible, back to the individual, community, the state or at least our own country. But this international stuff is doomed to destroy the individual and we’re all going to suffer. We could move into a dark age if we don’t wake up to what is really happening.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/15773/
I TOLD YOU SO:
MaxGrobnik
Posted September 27, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
If Congress doesn’t reach a deal by Tuesday, I predict that either National City or Wachovia will be the next VICTIMS of a Fed takeover.
The Feds are working very hard to rapidly shove this bailout down the throats of taxpayers, and sometimes Government has to play hardball in order to Control the People, using Fear tactics when it is convenient to do so.
I TOLD YOU SO, BUT I WAS ONE DAY OFF ON MY FORECAST. I THOUGHT THE FEDS WOULD WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY TO TAKE WACHOVIA:
http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/544914.html
Citigroup to buy Wachovia banking operations
By SARA LEPRO
AP Business Writer
A Wachovia sign is shown near the company’s headquarters, background, in Charlotte, N.C., Monday, Sept. 29, 2008. Citigroup Inc. will acquire the banking operations of Wachovia Corp., one of the nation’s largest banks, in a deal facilitated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
Citigroup to buy Wachovia banking operations
NEW YORK – Citigroup agreed Monday to purchase Wachovia’s banking operations for $2.1 billion in a deal arranged by federal regulators, making the Charlotte-based bank the latest casualty of the widening global financial crisis.
PREDICTION:
The Feds will take National City by Thursday, IF Congress doesn’t agree to give away $700 Billion.
Can you say: E X T O R T I O N ?
The Feds want your taxpayer dollars, OR ELSE!
OR ELSE THEY TAKE ANOTHER BANK!
Max the bank was bought by Citi, the Feds didn’t take it!
You IDIOT.
Chas it clearly says:
“a deal arranged by federal regulators”
Citi would not have bought Wachovia if it wasn’t for FDIC covering losses beyond $42 billion.
(See below)
“In addition to assuming $53 billion worth of debt, Citigroup will absorb up to $42 billion of losses from Wachovia’s $312 billion loan portfolio, with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. agreeing to cover any remaining losses. “
That’s right Chas, that’s what I was saying all along.
Say Sol, I heard that interview with Ron Paul.
Paul sounds like a Hero now, but too bad nobody listened to him before.
And too bad not many are listening to him now.
Chas is a troll!
Re: Chas
DFTT
Max, you are a liar AND a thief… I just got homel… and I look here, and what do I see??? I see some lying THIEF posting under MY nic… THIS is not acceptable AT ALL!!!
Friggin TROLLS!!!!
Our nation is in real trouble. I am upset with my parties choice of Obama as president. We NEED Hillary at this point more than ANYTHING.
Our nation needs leadership, not blameship,. We need someone to get congress together to vote for some bill to shore up our economy – NOT BLAME the other party.
Obama and Pelosi are apparently NOT interested in our nation. They want to blame republicans for this entire mess! Would any of YOU vote for a plan after the speaker unloads with diareha of the mouth blaming ME for the problem?
Our nation is at stake, and my party of preference is too busy blaming the other party, while my investments all crash.
We need solutions!
Sen. Chris Dodd, head of the committee that killed McCain’s Fannie/Freddie oversight bill, has included a payback of up to $100 million dollars to Obama’s friends at ACORN.
Section 5 of the Dodd counter-proposal to the Paulson Plan, promises a minimum 20% of the ‘profits’ from the Treasury’s sale of assets to The Housing Trust Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund.
ACORN is still busy at work corrupting our election system. From the Miami Herald:
Two suspicious Seminole County voter registration cards became a flash point Wednesday in the Republican effort to suggest the community group ACORN is committing fraud in its historic Florida get-out-the vote efforts.
An ACORN spokesman said the group spotted what appeared to be forged registration cards weeks ago and fired a worker over them. Seminole’s election chief, Mike Ertel, said he was still “tremendously concerned,” but stopped well short of calling the incident “fraud.” The Republican National Committee, though, levelled the accusation and blasted the housing and wage advocacy group in a nationwide conference call with reporters, saying this wasn’t an isolated incident.
In Orange County, ACORN staffers submitted multiple, duplicate registrations on behalf of six separate voters this summer. One individual had 21 duplicate applications. Election Supervisor Bill Cowles and his staff protested, noting in a June memo that ACORN had been submitting sloppy forms as well.
ACORN, or the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, changed procedures, disciplined some staffers and improved relations with Orange. ACORN has signed up 135,000 new Florida voters since January in just three counties: Orange, Broward and Miami-Dade.
That’s a fifth of all new voters. More than 58 percent are Democrats, who now outnumber Republicans by almost 500,000 voters — providing Barack Obama a potentially crucial edge in the neck-and-neck race in Florida.
The more we find out about this bailout, the more House Republicans should dig in their heels. The involvement of the likes of Dodd and Barney Frank should kill any credibility that the Democrats hope to have in this process.
Awww, the fundies are upset because some of their own are not just satisfied with bombing clinics and shooting doctors but have moved back to attacking Muslims. As expected they merely attacked the source (failing to notice I followed up with a second link). Then they moved onto denying that children were gassed. As usual the pro-terrorism fundies are wrong.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/27/ddn092708islamicweb.html
But pointing out the fact that fundies are liars is like pointing out the fact the sun is really bright.
Maggot, WTF are you jabbering about? From your link-
“So far there is no indication that the incident was the result of a hate crime, according to Dayton police.”
And if you want to blame someone for the Bailout Crisis, blame the Democrats. This post from Amway sums it up nicely:
American_Way
Posted September 27, 2008 at 8:47 am | Permalink
It was not government DEregulation which got us into the financial mess – it was government REgulation. It was liberals trying their social experiment on the nation. It was liberals talking as if “home ownership” was a fundamental RIGHT under the constitution.
“The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, a Carter-era law that purported to prevent “redlining” – denying mortgages to black borrowers – by pressuring banks to make home loans in “low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.” Under the act, banks were to be graded on their attentiveness to the “credit needs” of “predominantly minority neighborhoods.” The higher a bank’s rating, the more likely that regulators would say yes when the bank sought to open a new branch or undertake a merger or acquisition.
1995: The Clinton Administration’s regulatory revisions with an effective starting date of January 31, 1995 were credited with substantially increasing the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. Part of the increase in home loans was due to increased efficiency and the genesis of lenders, like Countrywide, that do not mitigate loan risk with savings deposits as do traditional banks using the new subprime authorization. This is known as the secondary market for mortgage loans.
2003: the Bush Administration recommended what the NY Times called “the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.” This change was to move governmental supervision of two of the primary agents guaranteeing subprime loans, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under a new agency created within the Department of the Treasury. However, it did not alter the implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they run into financial difficulty; that perception enabled them to issue debt at significantly lower rates than their competitors. The changes were generally opposed along Party lines and eventually failed to happen. Representative Barney Frank(D-MA) claimed of the thrifts “These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.” Representative Mel Watt (D-NC) added “I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing.”
‘’These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,’’ said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ‘’The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.’’
Of course it isn’t a hate crime Anti, that only happens to Christians.
Seems to be much Lib Dumbspeak today.
You are a bigot Maggot, nothing more.
Chas you ignorant sult.
WTF are you talking about?
Thanks Anti, because the Christians aren’t bigots even though they are the ones tossing bombs in mosques where little children are gathered. Only non-Christians are bigots.
Please explain where this:
DAYTON — Officials from the Dayton fire department and HAZMAT have not determined what type of chemical was released during a Friday night service at the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton center, 26 Josie St., according to Dayton Fire Lt. John Strukamp.
The Society held the service to recognize and celebrate Ramadan, but the service was disrupted by a suspected chemical irritant that forced members out of the church and into the streets.
Dayton fire emergency personnel were dispatched to the Society’s center at 26 Josie St., near downtown, about 9:45 p.m. on a report of a chemical irritant in the basement. When firefighters and HAZMAT personnel arrived, they noticed a bad odor, Strukamp said Saturday, Sept. 27.
HAZMAT officials reported to the fire department that “they had checked the structure for pepper spray, but nothing was detected,” Strukamp said.
So far there is no indication that the incident was the result of a hate crime, according to Dayton police.
Society officials could not be reached for comment Saturday.
On Friday night, emergency medical personnel set up triage stations in at least two places — along South Keowee Street and at Josie and McLain streets — to treat those who complained of burning eyes and labored breathing.
On Friday night, Ismail Gula, ISGD secretary, said people were praying during the weekly service when some in the audience began to cough and experience breathing troubles, then left the building.
Once outside, one of them called 911, Gula said.
According to fire dispatch communications, a child reported seeing two men with a white can spraying something into a window.
Fire dispatch communications also revealed that one adult and one child were taken to area hospitals for treatment related to the irritant.
Emergency personnel used towels and saline to wipe the eyes of several of the people who had been in the building.
Ramadan is the ninth month of the Muslim calendar. During the month, Muslims fast (do not eat) from sunrise to sunset. In the evening and in the morning before the sun comes up, they eat small meals. During this month, they take extra time for family, inner reflection, and spiritual growth.
Lends credence to this:
A terrorist attack in America, probably by people wanting to spread their love of Jesus.
“On Friday, September 26, the end of a week in which thousands of copies of Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West — the fear-mongering, anti-Muslim documentary being distributed by the millions in swing states via DVDs inserted in major newspapers and through the U.S. mail — were distributed by mail in Ohio, a “chemical irritant” was sprayed through a window of the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton, where 300 people were gathered for a Ramadan prayer service. The room that the chemical was sprayed into was the room where babies and children were being kept while their mothers were engaged in prayers. This, apparently, is what the scare tactic political campaigning of John McCain’s supporters has led to — Americans perpetrating a terrorist attack against innocent children on American soil.”
It doesn’t mention “a room where children babies and children were being kept” It doesn’t mention anything about “christian” terrorists, and on and on.
Perhaps you left off a news link?
If your account was hacked, a federal crime may have been committed. I suggest you report it.
“Thanks Anti, because the Christians aren’t bigots even though they are the ones tossing bombs in mosques where little children are gathered”
Please provide a link
Christians aren’t bigots even though they are the ones tossing bombs in mosques where little children are gathered.
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Maggot,
Where was this in your article, bigot?
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Chas
Posted September 29, 2008 at 4:14 pm | Permalink
Max, you are a liar AND a thief… I just got homel… and I look here, and what do I see??? I see some lying THIEF posting under MY nic… THIS is not acceptable AT ALL!!!
Friggin TROLLS!!!!
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heh heh heh
Littlejohn, I recommend you read your own story that you post.
“According to fire dispatch communications, a child reported seeing two men with a white can spraying something into a window.”
But I suppose it was probably just a huge coincidence that the town received a bunch of “Muslims are terrorists” videos, the Mosque was celebrating Ramadan, and people were seen spraying something into the building. The natural fundy conclusion is to say that all the people were experiencing a mass delusion.
But it was in the name of Jesus and done to devil worshipping Muslims so it isn’t really a crime.
Patient S. was the victim of a botched, illegal post-viable abortion committed by Shelly Sella on Tuesday, September 23, in Tiller’s criminal late-term Wichita abortion mill. Sella “misdiagnosed” the gestation of the baby at 19 weeks, which was actually at a post-viable 23 weeks, and the injection intended to kill the baby in the womb gave Patient S. sepsis, a life-threatening systemic infection. (19-year-old Christin Gilbert died of sepsis caused by a botched abortion in Tiller’s abortion mill in January, 2005.) When the woman returned to the abortion mill with a high fever on Thursday, she was first locked in a room for 4 hours and ignored. She was then threatened with the withholding of treatment and then the completion of the abortion after an unwanted trip to Kansas City. Tiller committed a partial-birth abortion, which is illegal, unless the baby was first killed. But the lethal injection had missed its mark, and the baby was moving – until the brains were sucked out. Patient S. suffered an asthma attack and cardiac arrest during the illegal botched abortion, but was revived.
Tiller then drove Patient S. to Wesley Medical Center in his personal Jeep. (Ambulances attract too much attention.) She feared for her safety since Tiller apparently could not see very clearly (from drugs or booze, perhaps?), and was verbally directed though traffic by a female employee who was with them. Patient S. was treated for 3 days and discharged at Wesley Medical Center on Saturday.
Patient S., and the rest of her race, are being targeted by Tiller and other racist abortionist quacks for population reduction through an abortion rate 3 times higher than the rest of the population. Sometimes, both mother and baby are reduced out of the black population, as very nearly happened in this tragic case.
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“If a candidate supports something that is evil and wicked from a biblical perspective, then I have the right to call out the wickedness, and I have the right to say this is what this person stands for — this is wrong. . . . The issue is not ‘Are we legislating morality?’ This issue is ‘Whose morality are we legislating?’”
. . . Rev. Ron Johnson, Jr., senior associate pastor at Living Stones Church in Crown Point, IN, joining the Pulpit Freedom Sunday campaign in endorsing Sen. McCain over pro-abortion Obamanation, claiming moral issues as church territory
(Matthew 14:3-4; Mark 6:18; Luke 3:19-20)
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School officials at Winston Churchill High School in Ptomac, MD ran a pro-life demonstrator off a public sidewalk near the school and forced her to move across the street, lest too many schoolchildren get hold of the pro-life handouts.
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A 4-month-old baby boy was fatally shot in the head early Sunday as he lay sleeping in a Detroit, MI apartment with his 25-year-old mother. About 10 shots were fired from at least 2 guns.
Michigan has no death penalty.
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Juan Avilez, 42, of Palmview, TX faces one count of murder, and one count of aggravated assault, for kicking his girlfriend Leticia Rizo, 28, so that her unborn baby of 18 weeks gestation died. Rizo was asking for money for diapers for their other child at the time of the assault and murder.
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A newborn girl was illegally abandoned at Steel Lake Presbyterian Church in Federal Way, WA early Sunday. The infant survived being left alone outside the church door for over 5 hours in 49-degree weather, and was hospitalized in fair condition. Police are looking for the mother in a felony investigation.
Anti, it’s not my fault you are illiterate. I’ve already posted links to three different articles which all say the same thing. Is it the fundamentalism that makes you blind or was it a pre-existing condition?
“But it was in the name of Jesus and done to devil worshipping Muslims so it isn’t really a crime.”
Really? Where does it say that?
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“According to fire dispatch communications, a child reported seeing two men with a white can spraying something into a window”
And the men were magically devined to be a Christian? Yeah, sure. ANd where does it say that it was sprayed into a room where babies and children were being kept? Did I miss a link? Or was it just bs?
“But it was in the name of Jesus and done to devil worshipping Muslims so it isn’t really a crime.”
Really? Where does it say that?
”
“According to fire dispatch communications, a child reported seeing two men with a white can spraying something into a window”
And the men were magically devined to be a Christian? Yeah, sure. ANd where does it say that it was sprayed into a room where babies and children were being kept? Did I miss a link? Or was it just bs?
I don;t give a damn who did this. I hope the find them, prosecute them, and punish them.
“Really? Where does it say that?”
In my post, you quoted it. Sheesh, the fundies are extra dense today. Are you guys seriously working this hard to look this stupid?
“But I suppose it was probably just a huge coincidence that the town received a bunch of “Muslims are terrorists” videos, the Mosque was celebrating Ramadan, and people were seen spraying something into the building. ”
I doubt it. BUt I suppose that you can suppose anything you like about who did it, as can I.
DavidB
Posted September 29, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
If your account was hacked, a federal crime may have been committed. I suggest you report it.
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Ummmm —- To whom are you speaking??
Obama’s “Police State Tactics”
“Governor Blunt said the action has “attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign. What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.”
The Obama campaign is using similar hardball tactics to get NRA ads pulled off the air in Ohio and Pennsylvania. The Obama campaign’s top attorney has reportedly sent “cease and desist” letters to stations airing the ads warning them that the Federal Communication Commission may revoke their broadcasting licenses.
If candidate Obama is this aggressive in targeting his critics before an election, how do you think “President Obama” will act in the Oval Office? If Democrats win control of all three branches of government on November 4th, the “Fairness Doctrine” will shut down conservative talk radio and “hate crimes” laws will silence conservative pastors. “
‘Blunt, GOP say Obama ‘truth squad’ seeks to squash free speech with police power
Democrats: It’s a manufactured controversy‘
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080927/BLOGS09/80927018
“…
Donatelli said prosecutors don’t normally join campaign truth squads because their mere presence as a campaign attack dog “has a chilling affect on people’s rights of free speech.”
But a review of McCain’s own truth squads shows he has a district attorney from New Mexico and the South Carolina attorney general ready to respond to misleading ads from Obama and Democrats in their respective states.
Democrats maintain the GOP has twisted the context of a news report to manufacture this controversy.
“It is the height of absurdity that Governor Blunt would try to deceive voters about the role of respected Missourians across the state who want to see this election be about the truth, not false attacks like the ones we’ve seen today,” said Justin Hamilton, spokesman for Obama’s Missouri campaign. “It’s clear why Missouri voters are rejecting the kind of campaign that they’re running.” “
Interesting video link on Obama and his advisors:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3118880&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/
Has everyone heard, the Justice Department is moving ahead with an investigation on the firing of the 9 DOJ attorneys. Gonzales was described as not carrying out his duties as the head of the DOJ. Since this investigation will be considering criminal charges, maybe Miers and Rove will have to testify now.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95187253
Always enjoy seeing Republican rats scurrying away in fear.
StevenEDavis
Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:30 pm | Permalink
Has everyone heard, the Justice Department is moving ahead with an investigation on the firing of the 9 DOJ attorneys. Gonzales was described as not carrying out his duties as the head of the DOJ. Since this investigation will be considering criminal charges, maybe Miers and Rove will have to testify now.
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They ain’t got nothing.
heh heh HEH!
The Republicans CHICKENS have come home to roost!
Looks like rove may be forced to testify in the political firing case.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080929/pl_nm/us_usa_crime_gonzales_2
You beat me to it!
Maybe they’re trying to get it far enough so bush can pardon on his way out.
Phantom
Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:38 pm | Permalink
You beat me to it!
Maybe they’re trying to get it far enough so bush can pardon on his way out.
*****
Bush may have to pardon himself on the way out.
“They ain’t got nothing.”
*****
Their “nothing” is detailed in a scathing nearly 400 page report. See above link.
Hey Phantom, if you have a throw away email, I know people interested in reaching you.
A copy of the 392 page DOJ report:
http://www.usdoj.gov/opr/us-att-firings-rpt092308.pdf
Sure wasted a lot of paper and time for “nothing”.
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StevenEDavis
Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:50 pm | Permalink
“They ain’t got nothing.”
*****
Their “nothing” is detailed in a scathing nearly 400 page report. See above link.
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Oh noes!
Attorneys who served at the pleasure of the President were fired for political reasons!
Let’s call up Bill Clinton to be prosecuted – he fired most all of the Justice Department attorneys when he was in office, because he wanted all that favored his political views.
Presidents routinely change DOJ attorneys, in the same manner as they change Cabinet members… Seems that Bush didnt do it quite the same way!!
However, some will just keep on with their seemingly ignorant posting of Clinton doing WHAT ALL PRESIDENTS DO at the beginning of their terms…
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Chas
Posted September 29, 2008 at 7:19 pm | Permalink
Presidents routinely change DOJ attorneys, in the same manner as they change Cabinet members… Seems that Bush didnt do it quite the same way!!
However, some will just keep on with their seemingly ignorant posting of Clinton doing WHAT ALL PRESIDENTS DO at the beginning of their terms…
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There’s nothing in the law that says “what time frame” Presidents can hire and fire Justice Department attorneys.
American
Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:18 pm | Permalink
Interesting video link on Obama and his advisors:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3118880&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/
That is a scathing report on Obama having deeper ties to the people responsible for and working for the mortgage meltdown. Millions went to Obama’s associates and supporters. 120,000 to Obama from Fanny and Freddy too.
This bailout needs to be investigated fully before knee jerk reaction voting.
Firing A.G.s is not the issue, it was the admitted to political litmus tests.
What incredible political j?jutsu! Bushies under criminal investigation and someone cries “Clinton!”
It is not the Clinton Justice Department which is now under a criminal investigation.
The investigators could have more, except possible criminals are being shielded by executive privilege and refuse to cooperate.
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DavidB
Posted September 29, 2008 at 7:24 pm | Permalink
Firing A.G.s is not the issue, it was the admitted to political litmus tests.
What incredible political j?jutsu! Bushies under criminal investigation and someone cries “Clinton!”
It is not the Clinton Justice Department which is now under a criminal investigation.
The investigators could have more, except possible criminals are being shielded by executive privilege and refuse to cooperate.
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Naw, it’s an attempt to ‘hang’ someone after the fact by using statements they may have made after there was a controversy.
This has nothing to do with the actual firing of the attorneys.
This is a case of word smithing the word smiths and prosecution based on speech.
Of course we all know, that the Demoncrats are against free speech of any kind.
Just look how Obama is attempting to violate the constitutional rights of the people of Missouri by prosecuting them for their free speech rights.
Sure wasted a lot of paper and time for “nothing”.
DOJ report.
Ya got nothing. The bum leaves office in less than four months, the country is going to hell financially, and all you got to worry about is the lame duck prez firing his staff?
Better start working the priorities facing our nations future. Forget the crap. Do like we all do every day and flush it down the toilet, get up leaving the lid up and move on.
First cry “Clinton!”, then cry “Obama!”, then say something outrageously untrue, then readers may forget that more Bush administration officials are under a criminal investigation.
Hell, maybe someone should be investigating all the congressional investing the democrats leading congress have been doing.
Start with the fact that since the democrats took over last fiscal year – for the second year in a row THE DEMOCRATS HAVE FAILED TO PASS THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.
Cannot handle the normal affairs of our nation, but they can cram through a 700+ bazillion dollar bailout for the RICH – in two weeks.
Now that’s what needs investigating!
This democrat congress has even LOWER ratings by the citizens than Bush!!!
All they do is blame. They do NOTHING themselves for our nation.
I thought possible crimes were supposed to be investigated and prosecuted if the facts so warrant… Law and order and all that?
Yes, we are on the edge of incredible pain: my retirement fund was down 18% today. People with great credit are being refused new car loans already
Are there any other crimes we turn a blind eye toward?
Congress is leaderless. They cannot take a crap without someone showing them how. They cannot vote on taking a crapper break.
THROW ALL THE RASCALS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For many decades Justice Department built a firewall between politics and justice.
Bush administration policy was to deliberately destroy that firewall, according to all indications. We’d know more but many principles are untouchable by investigators.
Some think the independence of the Justice Department is essential.
The Justice Department does. Congress does. That is why there were laws on the books.
Too many Republicans in Congress.
Dems can’t get anything done for Republican obstruction.
The solution is obvious. We need MORE Democrats in Congress.
FIRE Tiahrt. He is part and parcel of the cronyism and shady dealing that has brought us to this place.
American Posted September 29, 2008 at 6:18 pm |
“Interesting video link on Obama and his advisors:”
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3118880&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/
Great post American….it tells it like it is!!!
“Cannot handle the normal affairs of our nation, but they can cram through a 700+ bazillion dollar bailout for the RICH – in two weeks.” [RoaCH]
WTF??? You dont listen to the news, or READ well??? That bailout was DEFEATED!!!
And even so, the Reich Wing bitches!!!
Fox News is very very good for you guys. Good thing they are fair and balanced . . .
I am thoroughly convinced that junior is a racist and a sexist, like most liberals.
In 2006 junior had his panties in a wad over the fact that Tiahrt would not debate Garth James McGinn. However, there was another viable candidate in 2006 4th Congressional District race, a woman. . .do you remember her name? Junior never seemed to care that Tiahrt wouldn’t debate her. Sexist? I believe so.
Now we have Tiahrt locked in a race with a black candidate for the Fourth District seat. Not a chirp from junior concerning the debates that are not happening. Why? I think that he is racist. Only reason. He’s against Obama, the black presidential candidate. Why? I believe it’s for the same reason that 30% of the democrat base is against him. Little Barry is black and junior is a racist.
http://votekansas.no-ip.org/reform/f/joy.holt
Banks are already denying car loans to people with good credit. There goes Detroit and dealerships..
If mortgages are becoming unavailable, there goes homebuilding and real estate brokers.
Businesses are having a harder time borrowing short time funds to purchase equipment.
The problems that this plan was intended to fix have not even BEGUN yet.
Do not rejoice this plan’s defeat, even McCain gave it his best to get it passed…
Please review your history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression
A Reform Party candidate is “viable?
“racist and a sexist, like most liberals.” Heeheehee – you comedian!!!!
“racist and a sexist, like most liberals.” Heeheehee – you comedian!!!!
Oh, THIS Joy Holt. She lives in Kansas City and wants to run for Congress in the 4th District. It is legal, yes, but would she be representative of the 4th District?
There are MAYBE a dozen people who know who HLP Hank Price means when he speaks of “junior”.
He would be referencing me.
After posting opposite me for almost two years and failing to come up with this little immature twist on my nic J R on his own, he borrowed it from a poster popularly voted the blogs dumbest poster.
So usually, when Hank or some of the lower forms on this blog speak of “junior”, I ignore it.
Almost no one knows who they are talking about.
Too, these ankle bites tend to come out of the blue.
Just as that last one did. This has been a pattern on Hank’s part in his entire time posting here. He also seems to have a compulsion to establish that he and I have interacted socially in a friendly way. Even when we have not.
I digress. For benefit of those who DO know who Hank is talking about, I’ll waste time on Hank’s latest, tasteless, shot.
“I am thoroughly convinced that junior is a racist and a sexist, like most liberals. ”
This is from a KNOWN racist and sexist who has referred to Senator Obama as the “mulatto messiah” and who once posted that women should not be allowed to vote.
“Now we have Tiahrt locked in a race with a black candidate for the Fourth District seat. (Let me help here. Betts) Not a chirp from junior concerning the debates that are not happening. Why? I think that he is racist.”
Yeah I’m a racist. That is why I have a Betts sign in my yard. Betts does not seem to be making much a fight of it. And in this presumably lost district, I have better things to do.
I have done what I can to support any candidate that opposes Todd Tiahrt. BUT Todd Tiahrt is the candidate of people like Hank, who have lots of money. (Well, Hank’s wife has lots of money anyway.) Hank also seems to have undue sway with the Wichita Eagle. This MAY explain why more than 30 requests on my part in 2006 for a Tiahrt connections to Mark Foley thread were ignored.
“He’s against Obama, the black presidential candidate.”
I was. PRIMARILY because he thinks that Republicans can somehow be worked with. I happen to feel otherwise. I have posted that I might vote for Cynthia McKinney.
So much for Hank’s charge of racism or sexism.
Now? I probably will vote for Obama. The selection of a bumbling moron like Sarah Palin to be a heart attack away from the Presidency positively INVIGORATED people like Hank. I must take that into consideration.
Hey BlueJay. I’m pretty new here. Why does anyone care who you are and who you are voting for?
You do live in Kansas, right? States gonna be red regardless of which other candidate you support.
It sounds like this Hank fella has gotten the best of you once too many times. You certainly show that he has made a serious impression upon yourself. Maybe not in a good way, but that’s what happens when people get to you.
I take it Junior is not a form of endearment?
But I wouldn’t let it get to you so badly.
I am so looking forward to the Palin/Biden debate.
“I think she has pretty thoroughly — and probably irretrievably — proven that she is not up to the job of being president of the United States,” David Frum, a former speechwriter for President Bush who is now a conservative columnist, said in an interview. “If she doesn’t perform well, then people see it.
A number of conservative columnists and thinkers have publicly turned against her, or criticized Mr. McCain for choosing her, including George Will, David Brooks and Kathleen Parker, who wrote a column entitled “She’s Out of Her League” for the National Review Online.
Several Republicans said that all of this could ultimately play to Ms. Palin’s benefit, lowering expectations for her so much that a mediocre performance in the debate could be hailed as a success.”
-http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/us/politics/30palin.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
“It sounds like this Hank fella has gotten the best of you once too many times. ”
“Hey BlueJay. I’m pretty new here.”
Nuff said.
Hey man don’t take it personal. Thats whats gotten you into this mood. Go smoke a nice joint, put on some Steppenwolf, and read a few lines from the Hobbit.
Everythings cool.
DavidB? The invite is out for you too.
If you have an email you can post here and dispose of if necessary, we want you on board.
Dear BlueJay,
I’m not Hank. I’m AmericanWay.
“Everythings cool.”
A laid back con is gonna be a tough sell here RoaCH.
A recently laid con might be a better tack. Two birds one stone ya know.
Recent departures from The Eagle should not surprise anyone.
When the company’s Operating Expenses are twice as much as the Operating Revenues, ummmm, that’s usually not very good news.
Hint to anyone still working at The Eagle – UPDATE YOUR RESUME!
Hank, I thought I was you?
That was Sunday
But you can be me tonight, I’m AmericanWay
More loving words from our local Christian minister:
“And even so, the Reich Wing bitches!!!”
Fine Hank, but 1st Monday of every month, I get to be AmericanWay.
I wonder what the Left Wing Bitches look like?
Barney Frank?
That’s cool, every Monday AmericanWay is me.
Dat’s Bawney Fwank to you.
There’s no parking in the red zone.
Drop-off parking is in the blue zone.
And the sock puppet ballet makes a nightly appearance!! Such intellect!!
Chas,
For clarification purposes, what exactly did you mean by:
“WTF???”
Because 99% of us on the internet would understand that to mean:
What the Fuc*???
I just want to be sure before I say how unbecoming it is for a Christian minister to use such vulgarity on a public forum.
Way
To
Fun
Ayup the Reich Wing bitches… just like always!!! tsk… tsk… tsk…
And so it goes… Bitch… Bitch… Bitch!!
tsk… tsk… tsk…
Chas
Posted June 30, 2008 at 3:01 am | Permalink
“You are one of the biggest liars here!! I do not swear at posters — Just another one of your lies”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/06/open-thread-629-2/#comment-376050
I guess you (Chas) should modify that statment to, I used to lie about not swearing at posters, but don’t care anymore and just swear away.
http://www.wtfgroup.com/
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And in the midst of the Bolshevik Revolution, the Russian Orthodox Priesthood, sat all huddled together inside of St. Basil’s, and argued over the color and designed of newly proposed vestments… tsk… tsk… tsk…
When you look at a WTF building, you look up and say WTF!
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Don’t get drawn into the Price family dysfunction Chas.
It is so much more fun to just sit back and watch it unfold.
You could contact me at Zenmaster@prodigy.net, but would have to let me know to check it.
Nathaniel,
STILL no “valid reasons”? And no change of “valid reasons”?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/mccain-obama-on-science/#comment-434545
Thank you Nathaniel, for seeming to admit that McCain tried to pull a very stupid “hail Mary” stunt, to weasel out of last Fridays debate.
Or in short, the “Straight Talk Express” = McCain’s Zig-Zag!
Cosmos,
If you spent as much time trying to have a real discussion with me as you did following me around… well, I might just engage you in a conversation.
Cosmos,
I guess it must be a sign that you don’t have much AGW crap anymore since things are cooling down and all you have left is following me around with this stupidity instead.
I suppose that is progress for you.
Good Job.
Check it Phantom.
Here’s one place JR can go where he might win 1st place!
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BlueJay
Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink
Don’t get drawn into the Price family dysfunction Chas.
It is so much more fun to just sit back and watch it unfold.
*****
A little less entertaining than this family drama:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.R._Ewing
Nathaniel posted September 29, 2008 at 10:52 pm
“Cosmos,
If you spent as much time trying to have a real discussion with me as you did following me around… well, I might just engage you in a conversation.”
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Nathaniel posted September 29, 2008 at 10:55 pm
“Cosmos,
I guess it must be a sign that you don’t have much AGW crap anymore since things are cooling down and all you have left is following me around with this stupidity instead.
I suppose that is progress for you.
Good Job.”
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So Nathaniel STILL has no “valid reasons”? And no change of “valid reasons”?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/mccain-obama-on-science/#comment-434545
THANK you Nathaniel, for admitting that McCain tried to pull a very stupid “hail Mary” stunt, to weasel out of last Fridays debate.
And that the “Straight Talk Express” = McCain’s Zig-Zag!
“weaseled out”
“hail mary”
“McCain’s zig-zag”
Cosmos,
Have you ever had an original thought of your own?
cosmos,
email me at WilhelmWundt54@gmail.com .
L8ter dude,
Steven
Nathaniel,
Thank you very much, for yet again proving that you ONLY have ad hominems and lies to support your unsupportable opinions.
Nathaniel, are you going to post the “valid reasons”, and “changes to those valid reasons”?
Or. . . just more ad hominems, and lies?
The invite is there cosmos.
Write to Steven, get in touch, and Nathan will pull his hair out when I post as to it here!
We will respect your privacy, cosmos. We can discuss this some more. Let me know…
Nathaniel,
Have you ever wondered WHY you use ad hominems, lies, ignoring, and topic switching to defend your unsupportable claims?
Probably not.
And it’s probably better for you Nathaniel, if you do not. . .
good night; good luck; god bless —-
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings ALL!!
especially blessings to the financial
catstrophe that has befallen our nation!!
so mote it be!!
If you really care about what happens to the United States of America, do NOT vote in the Obama/Biden team. It’s a recipe for disaster.
First of all, Obama does NOT have enough experience to be president of the Unite States. There are things about him that, when considering him to be in a position of leadership authority, make chills run down my spine.
Obama has never governed anything – not even a small town, let alone a state. He’s never gone out and tackled corruption and tough issues, and except for the earliest years of his life, has never dwelt among average, blue-collar working class Americans. Sarah Palin has done all these things and more. On that basis alone, I would feel much safer having her at the helm in White House. I believe she is capable and qualified in leadership. And if she really is all that inexperienced – well, if it comes down to that, I would much rather have an inexperienced VP than an inexperienced president.
So Obama’s been a senator – big deal. Just about anybody can sign and introduce legislations, and veto bills. I want someone in office who has actually gone out and dealt with PEOPLE.
So he’s written two memoirs? Lots of famous people have.
So he’s been a community organizer? That in itself is a great thing to do, but that alone does not immediately qualifiy somebody to be the president of the United States.
So Obama’s a great orator – or at least he is, until he has to come up with a speech right off the cuff. Then he stumbles around and is at a total loss. And being a great speaker does not necessarily mean that somebody will be a great leader. How do you think Adolf Hitler got elected? Because he managed to woo the masses with powerful words while the country’s economy was in the tank.
Consider this: unlike John McCain, Obama knows virtually nothing about how our military works. Like many democrats, Obama believes that military conflicts can be solved entirely upon tact, reasoning and diplomacy – which history has proven otherwise. He also wants to completely eradicate our nuclear weapons program – which would leave us extremely vulnerable to any enemy country with sadistic intents. And this I heard directly from his own lips.
John McCain is not only familiar with how our military works, he has served in it and suffered greatly for love of our country. This is the man I want to be in charge if our country should ever get into another major military conflict. No, war isn’t pretty, but sometimes it IS necessary.
And if the pro-life issue is very important to you, you definitely do not want the Obama-Biden team in office. I personally do not want someone in office who supports abortion (even indirectly under the guise of “a woman’s right to choose”).
And if you want people who will put wildlife and the environment over the needs of humans, Obama and Biden are your men. They will stop oil drilling in the arctic and anything else that could possibly help solve our energy crisis, so that all the birds and bears and bunnies can be safe.
If you want to see America get ahead, vote republican. But if you want to see it go downhill in a hurry, elect Obama and Biden, and it will happen.
GOOD GRIEF!!! can somebody say SHILL?? how much does JoMarie get paid to copy paste republican talking points??
WHO set a requirement of military service in order to be president??
WHO doesnt use prepared addresses…. and speeches??? Answer: NOBODY!!
JoMarie… you sound like just another anti-obama, racist hag… shilling for the RNC!!
one could feel pity for you… but i realize it is a paid job, so go for it!!
Actually, I’m not getting paid at all to do this. . .although I wish I were. I’m campaigning on my own because I really want to see McCain and Palin win this election. And I do NOT hate Obama -some of you hostile democrats apparently think that just because somebody doesn’t want to vote for Obama, they’re racists. Sorry, I’m not falling for that pressure tactic. I don’t want Obama for president because I am a conservative republican and he’s a far-left, very liberal democratic candidate with too little experience to really be a qualified POTUS. Yes, Obama may have a nice smile and be able to speak fine-sounding words, but it takes a lot more than that to make a good leader. I still believe that McCain and Palin are the best people to lead our country and I’m backing them 100% all the way to the White House!
JoMarieM,
Great posts, glad to see you on the blog.
They say it’s a great life if you don’t weaken, and the DimLibs will certainly try to do that to you.
So….don’t let the bastards weaken you!!!