Open thread 9/28

152 Comments

  1. Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Did Palin lie again, this time about trade missions?

    From:
    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Did_Palin_lie_about_trade_missions_0927.html

    In a Thursday interview with Katie Couric, Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin cited “trade missions” with Russia as her one tangible piece of foreign policy experience.

    What trade missions?

    Research doesn’t show a single Alaska-Russia trade mission since former Democratic governor Tony Knowles visited Siberia in 1997, when Palin was running Wasilla, according to Salon.com.

  2. Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    McCain has a gambling problem.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1222603609-2DZoOQnkA6EUzQLLzcoNwQ

    No wonder the guy has no problem with gambling away our money by such schemes as privatizing social security and investing it in the stock market, deregulation of commodity trading and banks, or wanting to go to war with Iraq because of some anthrax attacks in America.

    But I suppose when you walk away to your 10 homes, 13 cars, three health care plans, and your $100 million bank account you don’t have to worry about much.

  3. JWink
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    For the next three days, the Moon will rise in the east, of course, approximately at the same time as the Sun, so the moon will be dark except for light reflected from the earth. This is the moon phase called the “new moon.” It’s the opposite of the “full moon.”

    If the moon would be exactly between the earth and sun during the next two or three days, which it isn’t this month, the moon’s shadow would fall on the earth causing an eclipse of the sun. So, no eclipse in September.

    Fortunately, because of the earth’s constant tilt of about 23 1/2 degrees away from the line between the earth and sun, we have seasons of fall, winter, spring and summer. We just had the fall equinox last week, so we are now heading into the winter months in the northern hemisphere.

    To observe how this works, use a friend’s nose as the sun. Then hold a globe at a constant tilt of 23 1/2 degrees and walk in a slow circle around your friend’s nose. Notice that on one side the upper hemisphere is closest to their nose. On the opposite side, the southern hemisphere is closest to the nose. And of course, at the two positions in between, your friend’s nose lines up with the equator … the spring and fall equinoxes.

    What if the earth had no tilt? No seasons.

    What if the earth was tilted at 90 degrees like the high school student’s favorite planet, Uranus? You figure that one out.

    The earth’s tilt, the water, the land, the combination of oxygen and nitrogen in the air, existence of some 110 elements which combine in enumerable combinations … all favoring life on earth … coincidence?

    Have a nice Sunday.

  4. outlander
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Placed exactly the right distance from the sun with an atmosphere that protects us from cosmic radiation. With natural mechanisms that help to maintain a livable temperature range. Spinning to as to expose all sides of the earth to the life giving energy of the sun. All this, and boundless beauty. A cradle for life.

    Definitely not a coincidence JWink

  5. Heckler
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    Warning: Don’t watch this if you are a Democrat and think that Republicans are to blame for the current financial crisis.

    Burning Down the House

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/

  6. Heckler
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    “If Barack Obama becomes President and takes over command of the Justice Department, it is reasonable to expect an assault on the First Amendment the like of which we haven’t seen since the Jefferson administration. Here’s the latest: in Missouri, Obama has enlisted his allies in public office, including St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, to threaten criminal prosecution of any Missouri television station that runs ads about Obama that are untrue. Since every politician sincerely believes that all ads run by his opponents are untrue, the field of potential criminal exposure is broad indeed.”

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/09/021628.php

  7. Heckler
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Chicago thug style politics coming to a Federal government near you courtesy of B H Obama.

    Change you can believe in?

  8. nightdemon
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    here is a thought — since the people in control of our goverment likes spending – they are extremly over paid as is,(for as presidents go – past – present and future ones – they can spend thier money. It wouldnt take no time to pay off that debt. Sports players – actors and oil tycoons(rip offs), and all the over paid senators and cabinet personel. Maybe they would have to finally limit thier dinner partys and vacations and 2 & three homes… HHHHmmmmmmmm why couldnt they see that ???

  9. Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    “Placed exactly the right distance from the sun with an atmosphere that protects us from cosmic radiation. With natural mechanisms that help to maintain a livable temperature range. Spinning to as to expose all sides of the earth to the life giving energy of the sun. All this, and boundless beauty. A cradle for life.”

    Please do your research. The early Earth was a thoroughly nasty place.

    Our planet is the winner in a very LONG game of cosmic chance and collision. Our species, and ALL species, are the result of billions of years of matter experimenting, evolving, and surviving.

    While I fail to understand the need of some to see some “divine” higher power in all of this, I am puzzled that some of the same such folks see our world and everything in it as the playgroud for mankind to do with what it likes.

    We must protect our Earth and be mindful stewards of it. It is our obligation as the highest rise of matter to know and work itself.

  10. Freebird1971
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Let’s say for a moment there is no God. Granted things have evolved over the years,but my question is who or what was the prime mover that got the whole thing going?

  11. Freebird1971
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Even if it was an “accident” something had to cause it

  12. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted September 27, 2008 at 11:33 pm | Permalink
    Max–

    Obama and Patrick are good buddies and Patrick told Obama he could borrow his speech.
    =====================================================

    If ya can’t think up your own words, then, JUST BORROW them.

    Course, when you borrow someone else’s words without giving that someone else credit for those words at the moment you use those words, what do you call that?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plagiarism

    pla·gia·rism /?ple?d???r?z?m, -d?i??r?z-/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun 1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one’s own original work.

  13. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    The Hollow Man, just borrowed words from another Hollow Man.

    No big deal.

  14. Pedant
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:08 am | Permalink
    “If Barack Obama becomes President and takes over command of the Justice Department, it is reasonable to expect an assault on the First Amendment … (powerline)

    Couple things about this.

    First, does anybody remember what American life was like before George W Bush politicized the US Justice Department?

    If Obama is elected prez then I think the odds are excellent that the US Justice Department will see a housecleaning on a grand scale. Out will go the Regent/Liberty University inquisitors and back in will come the Harvard/Yale/Dartmouth/Columbia people. I don’t think we’ll have to worry about people like Monica Goodling assaulting the US constitution in the name of GOP ideology.

    Second, I am having a really hard time finding out anything about Blunt’s “statement.” In fact, the only place you can read about are on websites that are pretty far out to the right. I am not a lawyer, so I need to find independent, non-partisan, lawyerly views on this topic in order to inform myself.

    I ain’t findin’ any of those, frankly. This has all the hallmarks of a Rove-style, College Republican dirty tricks election ploy at this point. Find a GOP officeholder, gin up some fake outrage using that officeholder, and run right up the middle hoping to catch the other side off guard. Yeah, been there, done that.

    Now if you find a Democrat governor who will release a statement like Blunt’s, or if lawsuits are filed, let’s talk again.

    Until then, you’ll just have to color me skeptical since I have been down the rabbit hole with Karl Rove way too many times, thanks.

  15. Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    3 Phases of a Financial Rescue with Strong Taxpayer Protections.

    • Reinvest in the troubled financial markets … to stabilize our economy and insulate Main Street from Wall Street

    • Reimburse the taxpayer … through ownership of shares and appreciation in the value of purchased assets

    • Reform business-as-usual on Wall Street … strong Congressional oversight and no golden parachutes

    CRITICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RESCUE PLAN.
    Democrats have insisted from day one on substantial changes to make the Bush-Paulson plan acceptable — protecting American taxpayers and Main Street — and these elements will be included in the legislation

    Protection for taxpayers, ensuring THEY share IN ANY profits

    • Cuts the payment of $700 billion in half and conditions future payments on Congressional review

    • Gives taxpayers an ownership stake and profit-making opportunities with participating companies

    • Puts taxpayers first in line to recover assets if participating company fails

    • Guarantees taxpayers are repaid in full — if other protections have not actually produced a profit

    • Allows the government to purchase troubled assets from pension plans, local governments, and small banks that serve low- and middle-income families

    Limits on excessive compensation for CEOs and executives

    New restrictions on CEO and executive compensation for participating companies:

    • No multi-million dollar golden parachutes

    • Limits CEO compensation that encourages unnecessary risk-taking

    • Recovers bonuses paid based on promised gains that later turn out to be false or inaccurate

    Strong independent oversight and transparency

    Four separate independent oversight entities or processes to protect the taxpayer

    • A strong oversight board appointed by bipartisan leaders of Congress

    • A GAO presence at Treasury to oversee the program and conduct audits to ensure strong internal controls, and to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse

    • An independent Inspector General to monitor the Treasury Secretary’s decisions

    • Transparency — requiring posting of transactions online — to help jumpstart private sector demand

    Meaningful judicial review of the Treasury Secretary’s actions

    Help to prevent home foreclosures crippling the American economy

    • The government can use its power as the owner of mortgages and mortgage backed securities to facilitate loan modifications (such as, reduced principal or interest rate, lengthened time to pay back the mortgage) to help reduce the 2 million projected foreclosures in the next year

    • Extends provision (passed earlier in this Congress) to stop tax liability on mortgage foreclosures

    • Helps save small businesses that need credit by aiding small community banks hurt by the mortgage crisis — allowing these banks to deduct losses from investments in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stocks

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429343,00.html

  16. MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    The Gov’t plan is pure BS.

    They are gonna shove this Government Bailout down our throats for our own good, so that Government can take over the banking industry.

    Auto manufacturing and Airlines are next.

    Say goodbye to your jobs folks. If you work, you will get paid whatever the Government thinks you should get paid. There Will Be No Negotiation. Do What You Are Told!

  17. Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Richard Crowson?

    The Eagle is foolish to let you go. Your whimsy was one of the last redeeming features in that increasingly ledger-like, pro business RAG.

    I invite you to continue to draw and post your work here. We will very much miss you if you don’t.

    The blog. (minus a few lower forms)

  18. Pedant
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    MaxGrobnik
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink
    The Gov’t plan is pure BS.

    They are gonna shove this Government Bailout down our throats for our own good, so that Government can take over the banking industry.

    I share part of your pain, but your outrage is partially misplaced. It’s also a day late and a dollar short.

    Where was your outrage when the Bush administration was dismantling or ignoring business regulation?

    Anybody remember Cold Creek Farms? Not only did Bush disdain business regulation as unworkable and unnecessary, he went out of his way to screw it up.

    Why weren’t you bellyaching then?

    “The last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work.”
    –Chris Cox, SEC IG

    Duh.

    GOP ca2008: demanding that the wheel be reinvented daily.

  19. Pedant
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    What?!?

    Crowson is leaving the WE?

    Where is he headed, anybody know?

  20. Pedant
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Hey Virginian Pilot, we have another great cartoonist here, Walt Taylor, but…pssst. Don’t tell anybody, but he don’t hold a candle to Crowson!

    I had no idea.

    Boy, that’s a shame for Wichita. Good luck, Mr. Crowson. Yours is a rare and much valued talent.

  21. lindainks55
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Pedant,

    Go to the front page of kansas.com and see Crowson’s farewell.

    In today’s paper he says “come see me at RICHARDCROWSON.com, visit my new blog and above all email at rcrowsn1@cox.net

    Also he mentions we can catch the Crowsons at Watermark Books the 3rd Saturday of each month.

  22. lindainks55
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    How serious is the “trouble” at The Eagle? Anyone know? Is a city our size in danger of losing our daily newspaper? Is it on the way to becoming competition for The Business Journal? Is Hutchinson the nearest daily newspaper? Maybe they need to prepare for an influx of new subscribers.

  23. RoaCH
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    In America, it used to be that a person had to work and save enough money to buy a starter home 20% of the home purchase price. It used to be, that you had to have earned a reputation for having good credit and paying bills on time. It used to be, that when you were threatened with losing your home, you might have to crimp and save, work overtime and maybe a second job to make the mortgage payment.

    Now, the government encouraged companies to give a mortgage to everyone and then get blamed for not providing the the home buyer a contract written in Dr Seuss nursey rhyme.

    Maybe we have the wrong federal agency on the hot seat regarding the failed subprime mortgages, and resulting financial crises.

    Maybe it’s public education which is to blame.

  24. RoaCH
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    (or lack thereof)

  25. Raptor
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    This paper is quite strange. More expensive than the LA Times for home delivery, a history of slanted, biased reporting, and now it ignored an event involving over 6,000 people yesterday. The Susan B. Komen Race for the Cure was held in Wichita on Saturday..and not one word about that event in today’s paper.

    No wonder people are leaving it.

  26. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    A rational explanation –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWxTQbfsEA8

  27. lindainks55
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Wichita Eagle
    Sunday, September 28, 2008

    Front page of local (1B):

    (Complete with color photo!)

    Thousands run, walk for cancer research

  28. Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    To the aptly named Roach–

    You’re wrong.

    Low cost loans backed by the Feds have been around since 1977, longer if you consider VA loans.

    They only blew up under George WorstPresidentEver Bush and the RepubliCONs in 2005.

    Why?

    People didn’t suddenly get more greedy. What happened was that Wall Street investment banks, under the “no regulation” mantra of the CONs, figured out a way to make profit while passing risk on to third parties.

    “Individual responsibility” doesn’t have a thing to do with it. It’s a systematic change brought on by “no regulation” RepubliCONs.

  29. Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    To protest the firing of RICHARD CROWSON from The Eagle, I will refrain from posting or even accessing the Kansas site for the week starting Oct. 1.

    I ask everyone who respects Crowson and his service to our community to join me in this protest.

    Thank you,

    Cap’nA

  30. Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Max refutes himself with his own definition. If plagiarism is “the unauthorized use,” what Obama did is not plagiarism.

    He was authorized to use the speech.

    Duh.

  31. Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    I agree with some form of protest Capn.

    But an entire week in an election season?

    And I don’t think they would DARE have fired Crowson. Probably they just budgeted him wanting to quit. He’s bigger than the incredibly shrinking business rag Eagle.

    It is too nice a day to blog today anyway.

    For the rest of daylight today, I encourage others to let the blog go silent.

  32. Raptor
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Man, I goofed on that one, thanks for the info, Linda. I was looking for it this morning and missed it entirely. Was a beautiful day and had LOTS of people!

  33. Posted September 28, 2008 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Important Stock Information

    Normally I avoid discussing any advice regarding buying or selling of stocks, but I felt this is important enough to share and warn you since this explosive situation might prove to be yet another ENRON. Please review any holdings you might have in the following stocks: American Can, Interstate Water, National Gas Company, Northern Tissue Company.

    Due to uncertain market conditions, I advise you to sit tight on your American Can, hold your Water, and let go of your Gas. You may be interested to know that Northern Tissue touched a new bottom today, and millions were wiped clean.

    It’s a tough market out there. Be careful!

    Yes, I know it’s an oldie, but it still rates a chuckle.

  34. Boxlock
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    With all due respect for the Capn’s request for people to protest the firing of Crowson by not posting to the blog….hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

    545 PEOPLE
    By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.

    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.

    The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gal of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.

    If the Marines are in IRAQ, it’s because they want them in IRAQ .

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

  35. cosmos_originally
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    ‘USA Today/Gallop Poll: Obama Did Better in First Debate’
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5902766&page=1
    “A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows 46% of people who watched Friday night’s presidential debate say Democrat Barack Obama did a better job than Republican John McCain; 34% said McCain did better.
    Obama scored even better — 52% – 35% — when debate-watchers were asked which candidate offered the best proposals for change to solve the country’s problems.”

  36. StevenEDavis
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Crowson was laid off, not fired.

    Schofield likely would have been laid off, too, had he not obtained another job first.

    Pointing these facts out for the sake of clarity.

    Later.

  37. Boxlock
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    “Crowson was laid off, not fired. ”

    Result is just the same, they are both involuntary termination.

    Crowson has good talent, terribly confused politically, but a good talent.

  38. JWink
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    And Dave Knadler jumped a little earlier, a month or two ago, than Randy Scholfield and Eagle cartoonist, Richard Crowson.

    I suppose other familiar names will also leave the paper. I occasionally drop by the Beacon cafe for early morning coffee. On occasion, for example, last Friday, I have noticed raggedly clothed men asleep on the steel bench in front of the Eagle building. Are these departing EAGLE opinion writers and reporters? Is this a new tradition at the EAGLE … resigning, and then napping in front of the EAGLE building until the sun rises and coffee is served at the Beacon cafe?

    Actually, one option for Eagle employees and other Wichita citizens interested in keeping a daily newspaper in business … would be to buy the Wichita EAGLE and lease the building. This was done by employees of the Kansas City STAR newspaper back in the 1930’s or so when William Rockhill Nelson’s daughter died. The STAR newspaper was owned by its employees for probably 40 years.

    In the case of the EAGLE, perhaps 50% ownership by the employees and 50% ownership by a large insurance company lender or “angel” investor.

  39. cosmos_originally
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock posted September 28, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    “Crowson was laid off, not fired. ”

    Result is just the same, they are both involuntary termination.
    —————–

    The difference is what caused the employer to take action. Note Capn’s post at 11:34 am.

  40. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    All I want is to get my paper before 7am, I wish they’d lay off my carrier..today it didn’t arrive until after 8.

  41. Raptor
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Mary..you hit on the reason I cancelled my home delivery. I did not get a paper over 30% of the time over a 6 months span. When I did get it, it was either late or soaking wet and unreadable.

  42. Raptor
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    capn is not going to post for a whole week? Is he raising hit fist in protest again?

  43. Boxlock
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    cosmos posts,
    “The difference is what caused the employer to take action.”

    I of course realize that, but thank you if you were trying to be informative and helpful.
    What I was saying is that it may sound better to be laid off than fired, but the impact, the result, is the same other than semantics.
    I didn’t agree with Crowson, and in fact stopped taking the print edition of the paper a few weeks ago after many, many years, 30 or more, partially because of his consistent left leaning editorial cartoons, though more because of Randy Scholfield’s brain dead socialist writing. And, I was quite candid when they called me and ask why I would stop after so long.
    That being said, I don’t want anybody to lose their jobs and hope the best for both of them, but I decided to no longer suffer the frustration of reading their work and pay for it to boot.

  44. Boxlock
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Raptor posts;
    “capn is not going to post for a whole week? Is he raising hit fist in protest again?”

    I for one am quite happy with that prospect but don’t want to say too much that might make him decide to forgo his posting protest to spite me. Ha!

  45. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    The US 110th Congress for the second year in a row has failed to enact the appropriation acts which keep our government funded for Fiscal Year 2009.

    The Do Nothing Democrats have again passed a Continuing Resolution to fund the federal government this time through March 2009.

    This will allow them all to go on vacation until the reconvening of congress, rather than attend a lame duck session. Wish I had such a holiday.

    The entire group should be thrown out of office for failing to do their job.

    Remember: This is the same group of democrats who campaigned during the mid term elections: on the failure of the republican controlled congress to pass the nations vital legislation.

    Second year in a row. Worst Congress ever.

  46. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Raptor
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink
    capn is not going to post for a whole week? Is he raising hit fist in protest again?

    He will be posting but under the shared nic of “JM”.

    That’s what he did the last boycott.

  47. Boxlock
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Am_Way,
    I should have known Captn hasn’t the integrity to actually do what he says and tells others to do.

  48. Posted September 28, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    The Wichita Eagle benefits from this blog.

    If we boycott it, we take away some of that benefit.

    I am not naive enough to believe that it will have any effect on Richard Crowson’s . . . uh . . . layoff.

    But I’d rather do something than nothing.

    *****

    BTW, if nine people at The Eagle had voluntarily given up one-tenth of their pay, and Mr. Crowson had given up one-tenth of his pay, then they all could have stayed fully employed.

    That’s what we would have done where I work . . .

  49. Posted September 28, 2008 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Just to clarify, I have been part of a Blog boycott before and I did not blog under my regular nic or any under during that time.

    Boxlock and AmWay, I accept your sincere apology for lying about me.

  50. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Come on Capn! It was all in good fun, but we know it was you sharing the JM nic with JR and a few others.

    What was funny was the sudden appearance of other nics when you all stopped using your regulars. Sorta kept the count up despite the so called boycott.

    I find your “dumbing down” of salary, to reach the great equality maxim a total farse.

    Did the other employees also share in providing the other benefits all employees receive? Did you all take a cut in medical insurance premimum cuts, 401K contributions, FICA, and MEDICARE contributions paid by the employer? How about vacation and sick time paid off?

    Let me pull my pants up a little further while I await your response. These boots just are not high enough.

  51. Phantom
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Crowson, too, eh. Looks like the eagle is getting rid of anybody that bucked the coal plant polluters, are were in favor of preserving the kansas natural resources, or who pissed off conservative kansas leaders.
    Too bad, Wichita and Kansas loss.

  52. Posted September 28, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    AmWay–

    I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

    There’s only been one boycott that I know of–in March of 2007 ?

    Do a bone-dig if you want. You claim it, you prove it.

  53. Posted September 28, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    As for your smug, sarcastic questions, the issue has never arisen because we have enough turn-over not to have to . . . uh . . . layoff . . . good employees.

    But that’s what we’d do if we had to.

    Only a goddamned CON could make sacrifice to others into something to be ashamed of . . .

  54. Phantom
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    In college, the Pres. wanted to get rid of a prof. for ‘budgetary’ reasons. We organized a student protest, the other profs. offered to take a pay reduction to fund his pay, they still let him go. Wasn’t about the money. Just Politics.

  55. Posted September 28, 2008 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    farse . . . by the way, it’s “farce” genius boy . . .

  56. Phantom
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Palin was just a small town mayor taking the perks of her office, just like the ones before her, some maverick!
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_el_pr/palin_ethics_2

  57. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    So Capn you admit “That’s what we would have done where I work . . .”

    Is not a true statement. It’s what you “think” they would do.

    And again, you make a claim but cannot readily back it up with the details.

    That always makes me wonder about the poster.

    Did the other employees also share in providing the other benefits all employees receive? Did you all take a cut in medical insurance premimum cuts, 401K contributions, FICA, and MEDICARE contributions paid by the employer? How about vacation and sick time paid off?

    (but feel free to notice any typo’s and attack them.)

  58. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    and ignore the real issue.

  59. Boxlock
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Capn posts;
    “BTW, if nine people at The Eagle had voluntarily given up one-tenth of their pay, and Mr. Crowson had given up one-tenth of his pay, then they all could have stayed fully employed.
    That’s what we would have done where I work . . .”

    How can I put this delicately. . . Bullpuddy!

  60. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    “Palin was just a small town mayor taking the perks of her office, just like the ones before her”

    That is correct. Some would call it poor ethics in government.

    But since this happens all over America, even right here at home in Kansas – that does make her just as experienced as all the rest.

    Just think of how these “perks” multiply at higher levels of government. And it’s not just one party taking perks.

  61. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock that was too kind.

    But it does illustrate Capn’s total lack of knowledge of business from a manager or owners perspective.

    Employee total compensation is much more than flat salary.

  62. Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, yeah, yeah . . . there’s insurance and health insurance and sometimes (too rarely these days) pensions.

    But those are just quibbles. It could be worked out if enough people are willing to sacrifice for another.

    You CONs seem to enjoy seeing other people lose their jobs and get forced against the wall.

    F*ck you.

  63. Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    How’s that bone-dig coming along, AmWay?

    Got one iota of proof that I broke my word?

    No.

    Because I didn’t.

  64. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    “But those are just quibbles.”

    Capn, you made a statement you cannot support.

    I’m reminded of a saying someone much wiser once said:

    “My people are destroyed by a lack of knowledge.”

  65. Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    I can support it.

    Look Crowson made X amount of compensation (salary plus benefits). If his fellow employees reduced their compensation by a small amount, they could then save the company enough money to be able to continue to employ the fellow.

    Mein Gott, man. It’s not rocket science.

  66. Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    And speaking of not being able to support your position, how’s the “CapnA broke his boycott promise” working out for you?

    Got one shred of evidence of that, you g-d liar?

  67. Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    WHY does idiot values boy Brent Castillo remain employed by the Eagle? He should be writing for a church bulletin. Get rid of Castillo.

  68. Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    I think I heard somewhere that Castillo is “part-time,” BlueJ.

    That’s the trend these days–CEO’s can make a lot more money if they fire the full-timers and hire part-timers to replace them OR just ship the whole kit and caboodle overseas.

    And since the unions have been eviscerated by the Reagan RepubliCONs, there’s nobody to stop them.

  69. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    There is even more to be made by contracting out for services too. Temp hire or employment agencies are just a small part of it. But if you can get around paying those pesky benefits, which are a huge part of private or public business, you are a step ahead. This can be done using smaller companies composed of former union workers.

    Less than 12% of Americans belong to unions anyway. Outside the public sector, they are a dying breed. Certainly not representative of the American blue collar or white collar worker.

  70. Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    I pray to Almighty Justice that the next American laid off will be you, AmWay.

  71. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Paper newspapers are going to be a thing of the past. The trees will breath a sigh of relief, but the number of employees will also decline accordingly. The events at the nations third largest newspaper reflect the industry overall and are not reflective of a local event. Stockholders demand a return and the biggest cost savings will necessarily come from personnel.

    “McClatchy Reports August 2008 Revenues
    Released: 09/16/2008

    SACRAMENTO, Calif., Sept. 16 — The McClatchy Company (NYSE: MNI) today reported that consolidated revenues in August 2008 decreased 15.7% and advertising revenues were down 17.8% compared to revenues in August 2007. For the first eight months of the year, total revenues declined 15.0% and advertising revenues declined 16.7%.

    Separately McClatchy announced an additional cost restructuring to reduce its workforce by about 10%, or approximately 1,150 full-time equivalent employee positions (FTE’s) as the company manages through today’s difficult advertising downturn and positions itself for future success in an increasingly competitive environment. McClatchy said roughly half of the staff reductions are coming through voluntary programs and managed attrition. The company expects to achieve savings of $100 million over the next four quarters, excluding severance costs of approximately $20 million, from the staff reductions along with other savings initiatives. This represents a savings of more than 6% of total cash expenses based on cash expenses over the last 12 months.”

  72. outlander
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    It is sad, what is happening to newspapers. I have started almost every day since I was old enough to read with the daily newspaper. It is how I how I caught up with events and started my day. Features like Crowson’s cartoons, funnies, and movie reviews were nice little additions.

    I still read the paper today. Increasingly though, it will be stuff that I have already read online or saw on cable news. It is more habit than anything else. The real value of local newspapers is in the local and community news they provide. Maybe the Eagle needs to focus there. A lot of small town newspapers are doing fairly well.

    There are no easy answers or newspapers would be doing it.

  73. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    “will be you, AmWay.”

    How sad Capn that you think that way. I’m just stating the facts. The picture is going to get much uglier as we fall deep into depression. After a chaotic and perhaps violent realization when the markets take the final plunge, we will all settle down to a more meager lifestyle. After the run on the stores and gas stations, and suppliers refuse to provide more credit and the real layoffs begin, we will see bread and soup lines. Americans, will be in a state of shock. They will not believe it is happening here.

    Although my family has sufficient investments and savings to withstand a job change (I will always find work) and my spouse also is near the zenith of her career – when the dollar is worth a penny, no amount of savings will suffice. Only those having professions which are in demand despite a depression will have incomes (albeit the value of income will be much less). Since that includes my better half and me, I’m not worried about continued employment. The value of my earnings of paramount concern and with retirement creeping up, the value of the nest egg.

    I pity those living in cities and urban areas. It will be those of us who have rural homes with a few acres who will still eat well. Those who still have the skills of gardening, animal husbandry, cold water/pressure canning of preserves, using a crock pot, seed saving, guns for hunting (but the land even more importantly), and a big family will come out o.k..

    I resemble some of those remarks (I make a hell of a crock dill pickle w/jalapenos in the mason jar).

    I’m more worried for our nation. Will it survive?

  74. Regular
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    #
    CapnAmerica
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    F*ck you.
    ————————
    No doubt the words Crapn used in closing the prayer as a Sunday School teacher this morning.

  75. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    “It is sad, what is happening to newspapers.”

    Agreed. I was a paperboy from age ten, when I inherited an older brothers route. People laughed when the Sunday papers filled my front and rear bags so heavily, that they slipped down my narrow shoulders and tripped me.

    But it’s also a new and exciting time. We will be getting our news from many other sources. More information, more opinions, and more ideas than ever possible before. I’d say we are somewhere between “pong” on the television evolution of games, to the latest XBox. We are moving like from the Apple II/TRS80 computers through the fourth generation.

    Hand held, personal carried devices with information streaming at us 24-7 is here and the future promises to be as eventful and maybe unforeseen as the changes since Ping-pong.

    Newspapers are a terribly inefficient means of communication. And slow.

    Sentimental to times gone by? Yes. But the sooner we face them, the better prepared we will be.

  76. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    “No doubt the words Crapn used in closing the prayer as a Sunday School teacher this morning.”

    It’s sad some people have to sink so low when they cannot present an argument, or have no respect for others opinions. After name calling comes troll calling.

    I’m either you (Regular) or Hank. It’s confusing trying to keep up.

  77. Political_mama
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    I’m telling you I’d like a way to pay for a subscription without having to waste all that paper. Crowson leaving is just bogus, I’m so upset about him and Scholfield. Yet Brent ValueBoy Castillo is still here.

    Salina Journal has an online edition that is considerably cheaper, however their format always sucked.

    So come on Eagle, someone should have had this foresight long ago to create an online subscription. And there will always be those who insist that the paper print is the only way to read the news.

  78. Regular
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Newspapers are wonderful ‘napping aids.’ Especially after a nice lunch, lazy Sunday afternoon and you’ve just finished reading the last of circulars. Covering one’s self with a newspaper brings warmth and tranquility while napping; which also irks the furniture police because the printer’s ink rubs off on the upholstery. :)

  79. Political_mama
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    I want to know if any conservatives lost their jobs in the newspaper.

  80. outlander
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    “Hand held, personal carried devices with information streaming at us 24-7 is here and the future promises to be as eventful and maybe unforeseen as the changes since Ping-pong.

    Newspapers are a terribly inefficient means of communication. And slow.

    Sentimental to times gone by? Yes. But the sooner we face them, the better prepared we will be.”

    —————–

    That’s true American Way.

    Although you are giving me whiplash going from country boy will survive, to it’s a brave new world techie.

  81. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    The Leavenworth Times is available online. However, they haven’t figured out how to publish the letters to the editor in their on line edition (or decided not to). The KC Star is on line as well.

    Take a look at the KC Star on line. They still have many writers, but they seem to spend too much time on the Missouri news.

  82. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Actually newspapers are responsible for their own downfall.

    They gave the idea for the future in their comic section.

    Dick Tracy’s watch. Didn’t we ALL want one? Is it any wonder we are here?

  83. Raptor
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    You got that right, Reg…capn can’t handle anyone disagreeing with him without getting vulgar. He is also a liar…claiming he doesn’t see posts of people he has “on ignore”. there is no ignore function on this blog. capn is a liar and a vulgar little child.

  84. outlander
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    #
    outlander
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Placed exactly the right distance from the sun with an atmosphere that protects us from cosmic radiation. With natural mechanisms that help to maintain a livable temperature range. Spinning to as to expose all sides of the earth to the life giving energy of the sun. All this, and boundless beauty. A cradle for life.

    Definitely not a coincidence JWink
    —————–

    “Planet Earth” is on Discovery Channel now. It is just astounding, the beauty of this world. It is definitely worth watching.

  85. StevenEDavis
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    This is hysterical:

    http://www.236.com/video/2008/george_w_bush_the_lonliest_rep_9050.php

  86. fleettwood
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    “I want to know if any conservatives lost their jobs in the newspaper.”

    You would have to start by finding one.

    Another flaming Lib gone. It is a good day.

    Next!

  87. Boxlock
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    I stopped by the golf store yesterday to pick up some golf balls.
    I saw some with the Republican Party Logo brightly printed on them and thought they looked pretty cool. I ask if they had any with the Democratic Logo on them as I thought it disrespectful to hit the Republican Logo.
    The guy in the store said “What are you talking about….Democrats don’t have any balls”.

  88. StevenEDavis
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    This is funny:

    http://www.236.com/video/2008/swiftkids_hillarys_cookies_4597.php

  89. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    A teacher in Elmira, New York asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans.

    Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.

    The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different…again.

    Little Johnny said, “Because I’m not an Obama fan.”

    The teacher asked, “Why aren’t you an Obama fan?”

    Johnny said, “Because I’m a Republican.”

    The teacher asked him why he’s a Republican.

    Little Johnny answered, “Well, my Mom’s a Republican and my Dad’s a Republi can, so I’m a Republican.”

    Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, “If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?”

    With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, “That would make me an Obama fan.”

  90. Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    There are more different species of beetles than any other kind of animal.
    Coincidence? Or does it prove a creator has an inordinate fondness of beetles?

  91. lindainks55
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Steven, I can’t get the videos to play. I get to the site, I see the place where the video player should be, even the comments… What am I doing wrong? I wish I was technologically savvy. I wish I was savvy… ;-(

  92. lindainks55
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Never mind. I found them on YouTube with just the titles.

  93. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    To: John Hinckley
    From: Bill Clinton

    Dear John,

    Hillary and I wanted to drop you a short note to tell you how pleased we are with the great strides you are making in your recovery. In our country’s new spirit of understanding and forgiveness, we want you to know there is a bilateral consensus of compassion and forgiveness abroad throughout the land. Hillary and I want you to know that no grudge is borne against you for shooting President Reagan. We, above all, are aware of how the mental stress and pain could have driven you to such an act of desperation. Hillary and I are confident that you will soon make a complete recovery and return to your family to join the world again as a healthy and productive young man.

    Best wishes,

    Bill & Hillary Clinton
    PS:Barack Obama is banging Jodie Foster like a screen door in a hurricane.

  94. lindainks55
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t find any humor in the Swift Kids For Truth, but enjoyed bush the loneliest Republican.

  95. Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    I guess if my party’s economic philosophy had just gone down in flames.. I’d be making jokes to ease the pain, too.

  96. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    WOULD YOU….

    Go along ‘for the ride’ if an airline captain had 143 days of ground school ..?

    Sail with ship commander with 143 days of school …?

    Go to a doctor with 143 days of med school … ?

    Hire an attorney with 143 days of law school …?

    Go to a dentist with 143 days of dental school …..????

    Vote for a guy to be Commander In Chief of our Country with 143 days in the Senate…?

    After 143 days of work experience, Obama believes he is ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan. From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That’s how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. Where in the world is this country going … nuts? 143 days — I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer.

  97. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    A driver is stuck in a traffic jam going into downtown Chicago . Nothing Is Moving north or south. Suddenly a man knocks on his window.

    The driver rolls down his window and asks, ‘What happened, what’s the hold Up?’

    ‘Terrorists have kidnappedBarack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Oprah Winfrey,Rosie O’Donnell, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They are asking for a $10 Million ransom. Otherwise, they are going to douse them with gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, taking up a collection.’

    The driver asks, ‘On average, how much is everyone giving?’

    ‘About a gallon.’

  98. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    A woman married three times walked into a bridal shop one day and told the sales clerk that she was looking for a wedding gown for her fourth wedding. “Of course, madam,” replied the sales clerk, “exactly what type and color dress are you looking for?”

    The bride to be said: “A long frilly white dress with a veil.” The sales clerk hesitated a bit, then said, “Please don’t take this the wrong way, but gowns of that nature are considered more appropriate for brides who are being married the first time – for those who are a bit more innocent, if you know what I mean? Perhaps ivory or sky blue would be nice?”

    “Well,” replied the customer, a little peeved at the clerk’s directness, “I can assure you that a white gown would be quite appropriate. Believe it or not, despite all my marriages, I remain as innocent as any first-time bride. You see, my first husband was so excited about our wedding, he died as we were checking into our hotel.

    My second husband and I got into such a terrible fight in the Limo on our way to our honeymoon that we had that wedding annulled Immediately and never spoke to each other again.”

    “What about your third husband?” asked the sales clerk.

    “That one was a Democrat,” said the woman, “and every night for four years, he just sat on the edge of the bed and told me how good it was going to be.”

  99. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Monica Lweinski plans to vote republican this year.
    Democrats left a bad taste in her mouth.

  100. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    The Liberal Democrat Way

    Fifty thousand people go to a baseball game, but the game was rained out and a refund was due.

    The team was about to send out refunds when someone stopped them and suggested that they send out refund amounts based on the their interpretation of fairness. After all, if the refunds were made based on the price each person paid for the tickets, most of the money would go to the richest people.

    Their plan says:

    - People in the $10 seats will get back $15, because they had less money to spend.

    - People in the $15 seats will get back $15, because that’s only fair.

    - People in the $25 seats will get back $1, because they already make a lot of money and don’t need a refund.

    - People in the $50 luxury seats will have to pay another $50, because they already have way too much money to spend.

    - People driving by the stadium who couldn’t afford to watch the game will get $10 each, even though they didn’t pay anything in, just because they need the most help.

  101. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    StevenEDavis

    Were the jokes posted as good as the joke about Bush?

  102. Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    THIS is hysterical too!

    Katie, you bitch!

    http://www.236.com/video/2008/sarah_palin_gets_instructions_9171.php

  103. lindainks55
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    In case you missed last night’s Tina Fey performance. She is getting better each week. But then Sarah is cooperating by giving LOTS of material to work with!

    http://entertainment.msn.com/video/playern/?pid=7wQNBZW_S__8vFbBOvfUiF_IvLsuf4g5&GT1=42003

  104. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    OMG!!!! That is SO funny! Thanks for the laugh, JR!

  105. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Are You A Democrat Or A Republican?

    1) What is your personal income level? Is it:
    - Too much!
    - Not enough money, but any more would make me evil.
    - Whatever the government lets me keep.
    - Money is a tool of the capitalistic overclass which etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
    - I have no income. I’ve rejected money and illegally inhabit a national park.

    2) Describe your family:
    - I’m married with three kids. Oh, and a live-in transsexual who joins us in our orgies.
    - The rules of the commune prohibit disclosing personal information.
    - I don’t believe in families.
    - I don’t believe in the word “describe.”

    3) What is the most politically incorrect thing about Scooby Doo?
    - Daphne never does anything but stand around and look pretty.
    - Scooby was never referred to as a Canine-American.
    - Velma is such a lesbian stereotype.
    - Shaggy never shares his marijuana.
    - “Scooby Snack” reward system encourages mass consumption.
    - Criminals are actually put in prison.

    4) There’s this weird drunk hanging out in front of your home. Do you:
    - Give him two bucks and think highly of
    - Direct him to a government agency that will help him.
    - Start a government agency that will help him.
    - Respect his personal choice.
    - Give Senator Kennedy a ride home.

    5) I’m against school vouchers because…
    - Bad teachers need jobs too!
    - The NEA is against it and a labor union certainly wouldn’t do anything in its own interest.
    - A monopoly always yields better results than competition.
    6) Bill Clinton’s Welfare Reform Policy is:
    - A document with “GOP” scribbled out & “Bill’s” written in with a fat purple magic marker.
    - “It’s a trap that discourages work & rewards illegitimacy and we’re keeping it.”
    - What would you like it to be?
    - What time is it?

    7) Bill Clinton’s Official Drug Policy is:
    - Whatever the Republicans are currently working on.
    - A new poster: “Don’t Be A Shaggy; Share Your Drugs!”
    - White House aides using drugs won’t be allowed to work unless they’re Democrats.
    - “Just say no to inhaling!”
    - What would you like it to be?
    - What time is it?

    8) Why do you admire Hillary Clinton?
    - Anyone who can make $100K without knowing cattle futures deserves admiring.
    - The only dead people I can conjure up are Paul Lynde and Redd Foxx.
    - If only I could lie so convincingly!
    - Hey! She puts up with Bill! Give her some credit.
    - We need more strong, intelligent women in prison.

    9) What would Bill Clinton have to do for you to not vote for him?
    - Develop a big ugly eyestalk in the middle of his forehead.
    - Appear in a remake of “Bedtime for Bonzo.”
    - Claim to be “more famous than JFK!”
    - Wear a t-shirt showing a bullet-riddled Snoopy.
    - Join the Republican party.

    10) If Bill and Hillary discovered _________ in Chelsea’s room, they would disown her. ONLY ONE ANSWER IS CORRECT.
    - Condoms.
    - Marijuana.
    - Cocaine.
    - A videotape with a note: “It was fun! Here’s a copy–Rob Lowe”
    - An antique German lampshade with a registration tattoo on it.
    - “The Way Things Oughta Be” by Rush Limbaugh.

    11) Al Gore’s dynamic speech pattern makes him an excellent choice for the position of:
    - Vice President.
    - President.
    - Governor.
    - Senator.
    - Environmental spokesman.
    - TalkieToy Robot recorded voice.
    - Kindergarten teacher.

    12) Bill Clinton strongly believes in:

    - Bill Clinton.
    - Bill Clinton.
    - Bill Clinton.
    - Bill Clinton.

    13) There is a logical, believable way that missing Whitewater documents showed up in the White House reading room that adjoins Hillary’s office after the administration claimed to have handed over all relevant documents:
    - They were being used to line Sock’s box.
    - Time-traveling KGB spies plotting to avenge the fall of communism.
    - They had been blank sheets of paper until Bill spilled lemon juice on them.
    - That rascally David Copperfield again!
    - Hillary had them.

    SCORING: None. IF you think this is a humor page, you’re a Republican. IF you had a hard time picking the best answer because they’re all so true, you’re a Democrat.

  106. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Dear Democrat Party,

    I am a senior citizen. During the Clinton Administration I had an extremely good and well paying job. I took numerous vacations and had several vacation homes. Since President Bush took office, I have watched my entire life change for the worse.

    I lost my job.
    I lost my two sons in that terrible Iraqi War.
    I lost my homes.
    I lost my health insurance.
    As a matter of fact I lost virtually everything and became homeless.

    Adding insult to injury, when the authorities found me living like an animal, instead of helping me, they arrested me.

    I will do anything that Senator Obama wants to insure that a Democrat is back in the White House come next year. Bush has to go.

    I just thought all Americans would like to know how one senior citizen views the Bush Administration.

    Thank you for taking time to read my letter.

    Sincerely,

    Saddam Hussein

  107. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Two rookie Congressmen, one democrat and one republican, were walking along the street in D.C. They came upon a homeless man asleep on the sidewalk. The Republican woke him up, gave him $20 for something to eat and gave him a lead on where he might get a job. The Democrat was very impressed.

    Later they came upon another homeless man. The democrat, not wanting to be outdone, reached into the republican’s pocket and took $50 and gave it to the homeless man and then told him where the welfare office was located.

  108. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    A man goes into the doctor with severe headaches and finds out that he has a terminal brain tumor. He asks the doctor if there is anything that they could do. He informs him of a radical new brain transplant procedure.

    “How much will a new brain cost?” The man asks.

    “Well, if you want to get the brain of a Democrat, it will cost you $100,000. But if you want the brain of a Republican, it will cost you $50,000″

    “Why is the Republican brain so much less than the Democrat brain?” the ill man asked.

    The doctor replied:” Well, since the Republican brain has been used, we can only sell it for half price.”

  109. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Any luck finding evidence that I broke my word by posting during a boycott, AmWay?

    From now on until you apologize, you will be known as “The Liar, AmWay.”

  110. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Good Lord, this turned into the The Liar, AmWay thread.

    Guy needs to get a room . . . with himself . . .

  111. cosmos_originally
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    U.S. DOCUMENTS SHOW EMBRACE OF SADDAM HUSSEIN IN EARLY 1980s DESPITE CHEMICAL WEAPONS, EXTERNAL AGGRESSION, HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm

    See also link to briefing book,
    Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein: The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984

  112. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    What’s the matter Capn? YOu get your feelings hurt tonight?

    Guess the nine other guys at your work are not willing to give up their benefits to keep you hired (snort, snort, chuckling)? Guess you can’t back that one up.

    Or better, haven’t had a chance to figure out the VAT tax you posted all about on the other thread?

    You might do better if you clicked on the Classmates link and found your old Susy Rottencrotch, than you are doing here.

  113. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    I LOVED it Linda!!!!!! Thanks…I could use a good laugh! :):):)

  114. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    “Thank you for taking time to read my letter.
    Sincerely,
    Saddam Hussein”

    Ha! Too bad it couldn’t have been bin Laden “writing” your letter, AM!!! But, Bush doesn’t think he’s worth worrying about.

  115. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    “EMBRACE OF SADDAM HUSSEIN IN EARLY 1980s DESPITE CHEMICAL WEAPONS”

    Despite Chemical weapons? Hell, we sold them to him.

    And Bill Clinton was certain Saddam had nukes:
    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/01/10-years-young-another-clinton-speech.html

    Clinton first linked al Qaeda to Saddam
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | Published June 25, 2004 | By Rowan Scarborough

    Posted on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:22:16 PM by newbie2008

    The Clinton administration talked about firm evidence linking Saddam Hussein’s regime to Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda network years before President Bush made the same statements. The issue arose again this month after the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States reported there was no “collaborative relationship” between the old Iraqi regime and bin Laden. Democrats have cited the staff report to accuse Mr. Bush of making inaccurate statements about a linkage. Commission members, including a Democrat and two Republicans, quickly came to the administration’s defense by saying there had been such contacts. In fact, during President Clinton’s eight years in office, there were at least two official pronouncements of an alarming alliance between Baghdad and al Qaeda. One came from William S. Cohen, Mr. Clinton’s defense secretary. He cited an al Qaeda-Baghdad link to justify the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.

    Lot’s of history on Saddam. One party enabled him, the other party cried about him. Neither did anything to stop him. Until now.

  116. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Wow, you’re especially vile tonight, AM…what’s wrong, not getting any lately? Take a f**king chill pill would ya?

  117. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    It gives me great satisfaction that The Liar AmWay is one of those people who believe that our society is on the verge of total collapse and only “people like him with guns and gardens” are going to survive.

    Makes it a lot easier to ignore everything else he posts.

  118. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Mary–

    The Liar AmWay is not particularly vile.

    He’s just an ordinary CON, arrogant and fearful.

  119. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Mary I pray that whichever party makes it to the white house, they do find Bin Laden – and worth worrying about.

    Some may not like Obama, but the day he is sworn in, I promise to remind him every day, every way I can of his campaign rhetoric about capturing Bin Laden.

    I still feel the pain and anger.

    Every day.

  120. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Husband and wife are waiting at the bus stop with their nine children. A blind man joins them after a few minutes. When the bus arrives, they find it overloaded and only the wife and the nine kids are able to fit onto the bus.

    So the husband and the blind man decide to walk. After a while, the husband gets irritated by the ticking of the stick of the blind man as he taps it on the sidewalk, and says to him, “Why don’t you put a piece of rubber at the end of your stick? That ticking sound is driving me crazy.”

    The blind man replies, “If you had put a rubber at the end of YOUR stick, we’d be riding the bus, so shut up.

  121. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like they both had access to the same bogus info, AM. Bush was stupid enough to bite.

  122. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Yes ignore is one way of failing to justify two idiotic posts you made tonight.

    One on your fellow workers giving up “salary” to help keep you on the job.

    The other on the VAT tax.

    But that’s o.k., it’s typical of libs to resort to name calling and passing the koolaid on to your fellow posters. I understand.

    Your ego got hurt.

  123. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Obama seems like the only one who is cocerned about the resurgance of Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afganistan.
    Bush and McCain are looking the other way.

  124. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    excuse my spellin’….it’s time to say goodnite!

  125. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Nite Mary!!

  126. Mary_Caruso
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    PS..I like your stick joke….now I’ve got a good one to tell at work tomorrow!

  127. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    So, WHO was in the Oval Office, when we SOLD all those chemical weapons to Saddam??

  128. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    “Bush and McCain are looking the other way.”

    Mary let me ask you about this after Obama takes over in January.

    You going to help me make him get Bin Laden?

    Make sure Obama puts Osama in his sights?

  129. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    “American_Way” gives us –

    “Some may not like Obama, but the day he is sworn in, I promise to remind him every day, every way I can of his campaign rhetoric about capturing Bin Laden.”

    Gee.

    And I’ve never seen you post a tittle about how John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) has said “I know how to capture Osama bin Laden.”

    If he knows how, why hasn’t he shared that insight with George WMD Bush?

    Why aren’t you “reminding him every day, every way you can” that such clever insight and strategic information might turn out to be helpful for the American people? With his friend General Petraeus?

    I know why.

    Because you know McCoot is lying. It’s a rehash of Nixon’s “secret plan to end the Vietnam War” in 1968. A flat out lie and a campaign stunt.

    Obama’s “rhetoric” about capturing bin Laden has been that he thinks our efforts have been distracted and mislead in Iraq instead of going after al Qaeda’s core leadership.

    Remind President Obama all you want about that. He won’t need it, but you’ll feel like you’re doing something for your lost cause.

    McCodger struts around and says he has the answer, but he’s just not tellin’. Obama has said what his priorities will be as President of the United States and he’s on the record. Check out his position papers on the Obama website.

    There are some big words in there, so bring along an adult to help you read ‘em.

  130. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Mary!!

  131. American_Way
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    An apt example of a real CIA assassination campaign was the Phoenix Program in Vietnam. Tens of thousands of people where specifically targetted, tracked down and assassinated, many by snipers. Although Helms held the post of Director of the CIA during the height of this mass serial assassination program, none of the 98 recent stories on Helms, found with the google search engine, even mention Phoenix. Reliable estimates on the total number of people killed by the US in South East Asia during the Vietnam war range from three to five million people. But, of course, there is no mention of Helms culpability in any recent corporate media articles. they say it is taboo to speak ill of the dead, but what they don’t say is that it is even more taboo to speak ill of the CIA, or breath word that CIA directors are criminals for overseeing the deliberate murder of millions of innocent civilians.

    During Helms’ tenure as director of the CIA under President Johnson, he also oversaw the secret war against Laos. But, it was no secret for the people of Laos. Over two million tons of bombs were dropped on this small country. The word Laos is not mentioned in any of the 98 recent corporate media articles found by google in a search for Richard Helms. Tio much of the world, it’s still a secret war.

    Another very good example of a CIA-organized regime change was a coup in 1963 that employed political assassination, mass imprisonment, torture and murder. This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein’s beloved Ba’ath Party to power in Iraq.

  132. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    So much for the fairy-tale that Bill Clinton is not in Senator Obama’s corner – DB

    “Clinton, who successfully ran his own 1992 presidential campaign on the now commonly used phrase “it’s the economy, stupid,” said that he believed the current economic crisis “left [Obama] in a position of leadership that he’s now in.”

    “And I think that the rest of us should admire that. That’s a big part of leadership, being able to sense, as well as see the future,” he said.

    Clinton said he and Obama are developing a “really good relationship,” and the Democratic nominee has the potential for greatness.

    “When he becomes president, he’ll be doing things for the American people and for the world and he is-and the greatness will then become apparent because of the good he’ll do…That’s what I very much believe is going to happen.” Source: CNN

  133. Pleefer
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/09/28/marcy-kaptur-warns-there-are-domestic-enemies-to-the-republic/

  134. Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    After the war, Viet Cong leaders admitted that the Phoenix assassination program was the only US tactic that had them worried.

    You can use hatchet, or you can use a scalpel.

  135. Phantom
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Poor mccain, only the bushies think he did better.
    “Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) — Viewers of the first presidential debate said Barack Obama did the better job during the event two nights ago, with 48 percent choosing the Democratic candidate compared with 34 percent for his Republican rival John McCain, according to a USA Today/Gallup poll.

    ADVERTISEMENT

    The nationwide telephone poll, conducted Sept. 27, showed results similar to surveys by CNN/Opinion Research Corp. and CBS News/Knowledge Networks. The USA Today poll included 701 adults who said they watched the debate. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

  136. Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, but Phantom . . .

    You know as well as I do that polls only matter when they show a CON in the lead.

  137. Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Anybody remember that Presaidential Order BUSH signed in May, 2007, giving him unheralded powers, in event of a National Emergency, or Catastrophe???

    And we more or less figured he was talking about Katrina??? What about a Financial Storm of hurricane proportioins???

    Hmmmmm????

  138. Regular
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Anybody remember that Presaidential Order BUSH signed in May, 2007, giving him unheralded powers, in event of a National Emergency, or Catastrophe???
    ———————-
    Yes, this allows him to do circumcisions on Liberals.

  139. StevenEDavis
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    “Yes, this allows him to do circumcisions on Liberals.”

    He hoped to do the same operation on conservatives, but the government could not afford such high powered microscopes.

  140. StevenEDavis
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Junior high insults? Check this out:

    http://www.236.com/video/

  141. JoMarieM
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    Why I support John McCain. . .and why I do NOT support Barrack Obama

    I support John McCain because: I see a man who learned much through his life’s experiences and the choices that he has made. Yes, he is no spring chicken, but with age comes great wisdom, and he has seen and done many things, and been to many places, in his 72 years of life. And if something happens that he is no longer able to lead the country. . . he has an outstanding VP behind him who is quite capable of taking the reins.

    I do not support Barrack Obama because: although Obama is well-intentioned and can speak impressive words, he is inexperienced and to me, he doesn’t seem to have a clue as to what he is really getting into as far as the office of POTUS goes. Unlike Sarah Palin, neither Obama or Biden have ever governed anything. If they don’t even know what it’s like to manage a state or even a small city, how in the world will they be able to manage a huge country that is culturally and ethnically diverse?

    I support John McCain because: I see a man who has actually served in our military, and fought and suffered for it. He truly loves America and wants the best for it, and I believe he would lay down his life to defend it if need be. He is equipped to lead our armed forces because he understands how the military works, and he will be more respected by our military members because he has actually been in their shoes once.

    I do not support Barrack Obama because: he knows virtually NOTHING about how our military works – neither he nor Joe Biden have ever had any dealings with it. Obama wants to solve military conflicts with tact, reasoning and diplomacy, which history has proven does not always work with aggressive dictators. Obama also wants to completely nuke our nuclear program, which would leave us completely vulnerable to any enemy nations with savage intent. Hearing Obama talk about what he would do with the military if he were president is a little like hearing an obedience school instructor tell people how to train their dogs – but he has never owned one himself. Also, patriotism is not important to Obama. He doesn’t see saluting the flag or wearing a flag lapel pin as a big deal. And if some irate foreigner got insulted because Obama was flying an American flag on U.S. soil, Obama would probably go ahead and take it down so that the person wouldn’t get mad.

    I support John McCain because: he and Sarah Palin have already proven to me that they are capable of functioning under intense scrutiny. Few candidates could have stood up to the vicious attacks that Sarah Palin has had to endure for the past three weeks, and which McCain has endured throughout his political life. For a president and VP, I want two people who are independent thinkers, who will forge ahead with what they believe is right and not kowtow to people who are pressuring them to give up. They are also people who know how to make important decisions quickly if they need to. Together, McCain and Palin create an outstanding political duo, and their combined experience will be a huge service to our country.

    I do not support Barrack Obama because: I do not know how well this man can function under intense pressure. Let’s face it, we have never seen him in a “pressure-cooker” type of situation and he’s been treated almost like a rock star by the liberal media. You hardly ever hear them speak a negative word against him. Sure, he’s a good speaker – provided that he has a speech written out for him and a teleprompter handy. Otherwise, if asked to come up with a speech off the cuff, he stumbles and stutters around – and oddly enough, the media shows very few, if any, of these videos.

    This, dear readers, explains exactly who I want to see in the White House next year, and why.

  142. Posted September 29, 2008 at 1:26 am | Permalink

    Where does the Constitution in ANY way require, or even suggest, that a President need have military service?? I find that to be a total red herring….

    In Fact, if a person in the military WOULD run for President, like Ike… They have to GIVE UP military standing….

    Try some other red herrings… the ones you list above have mostly been debunked many times… try Google.com….

    All you have done so far, is spew out Republican talking points… many of which are so WRONG as to be laughable….

    You call 5+ years in a POW camp military experience??

    ALSO, how many Presidents or other candidates for any public office, do you know of that DO NOT use teleprompters, or other pre-prepared remarks?? It is all to obvious that McCain has difficulty without his prepared comments in front of him…

    So, again, what the hell is your point???

    Prepared remarks are a fact of LIFE… political asd well as other fields….

    Please try to do better!! OK???

  143. okobserver
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    A newly graduated young democrat was telling his mother all about his new first job. He told her he was going to get a 2 week paid vacation.

    He said ‘I can hardly wait to see where they are going to send me’.

  144. okobserver
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 1:47 am | Permalink

    JoMarieM a well thought out opinion piece on the merits of both candidates. Thanks for sharing it with us.

  145. Posted September 29, 2008 at 5:56 am | Permalink

    “And if something happens that he is no longer able to lead the country. . . he has an outstanding VP behind him who is quite capable of taking the reins.”

    I speak con.

    Jo says she wants McCain to win and then die because Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house.

    “They are also people who know how to make important decisions quickly if they need to. Together, McCain and Palin create an outstanding political duo, and their combined experience will be a huge service to our country.”

    I’m so glad McCain picked Palin without thinking about it very much. Now if John will just hurry up and die! I don’t care about experience. I want someone who believes like I do!

  146. beber
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    “the man is a genious” — a pro-Obama poster on the Topix network.

  147. American_Way
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 28, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink
    “American_Way” gives us –

    “Some may not like Obama, but the day he is sworn in, I promise to remind him every day, every way I can of his campaign rhetoric about capturing Bin Laden.”Gee. And I’ve never seen you post a tittle about how John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) has said “I know how to capture Osama bin Laden.”

    ============================================

    Darn Monkeyhawk – you beat me up when I was AGREEING with Mary? I am not aware of McClame ever stating he WILL get Bin Laden. If he did, I didn’t hear it. But that’s beside the point. I think Obama is going to win.

    So I am merely telling Mary that I ALSO think capturing Bin Laden is important and that I think we should immediately hold the new president accountable for his campaign promises.

    Do what he says he will do.

  148. Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    The Liar, AmWay didn’t hold George W. Bush accountable for his campaign promises–like reducing CO2, for instance.

    He’s only interested in holding liberals accountable, apparently.

  149. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    I thought I surely heard wrong last Friday night.

    But, indeed, John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) did say “horses#it” during the debate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y46k-1-tElY

    Cranky old coot.

  150. Monkeyhawk
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    “American_Way” –

    I found this from Reuters:

    “Wed Sep 3, 7:57 PM ET

    ST. PAUL (Reuters) – Republican candidate John McCain said on Wednesday that if elected president, he will capture al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

    “President Clinton had opportunities to get Osama bin Laden. President Bush had opportunities to get Osama bin Laden. I know how to do it and I’ll do it,” he told ABC’s “World News” in an interview.

    The disturbing thing is this: if he know how to do it, why isn’t he telling Shrub, or the generals? Would he rather have bin Laden alive through election day?

    Or is he just a doddering old braggart?

  151. American_Way
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    ” if he know how to do it, why isn’t he telling Shrub, or the generals?”

    Good point. I dunno. But I think it’s a mute point if Obama gets elected (which I commented on earlier).

    To satisfy everyone beating me up on this: We need to hold whomEVER gets elected accountable for their campaign promise to GET OSAMA BIN LADEN.

  152. American_Way
    Posted September 29, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    “AmWay didn’t hold George W. Bush accountable for his campaign promises…”

    How do you know that? When you get a burr up your hindside you must go blind because you start lumping posters into groups.

    I have posted many times on these pages my displeasure with Bush, as well as republicans conduct and actions (or lack thereof).

    But I am no so blind as to be critical of every action and condemn Sometimes they do things right (both parties).

    Does me repeating this give you some sick pleasure or something? I can see how for some of you die-hard extreme lefties that you might enjoy it.