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Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools
The Weather Underground terrorist was not just a guy in the ‘neighborhood.’
Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists
The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama’s first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers’s home.
The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and “not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis.” Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I’ve recently spent days looking through them.
The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago’s public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation’s other key body, the “Collaborative,” which shaped education policy.
The CAC’s basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.
One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama’s “recruitment” to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.
The CAC’s agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers’s educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland’s ghetto.
In works like “City Kids, City Teachers” and “Teaching the Personal and the Political,” Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? “I’m a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist,” Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk’s, “Sixties Radicals,” at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.
CAC translated Mr. Ayers’s radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with “external partners,” which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).
Mr. Obama once conducted “leadership training” seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama’s early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC’s in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.
CAC also funded programs designed to promote “leadership” among parents. Ostensibly this was to enable parents to advocate on behalf of their children’s education. In practice, it meant funding Mr. Obama’s alma mater, the Developing Communities Project, to recruit parents to its overall political agenda. CAC records show that board member Arnold Weber was concerned that parents “organized” by community groups might be viewed by school principals “as a political threat.” Mr. Obama arranged meetings with the Collaborative to smooth out Mr. Weber’s objections.
The Daley documents show that Mr. Ayers sat as an ex-officio member of the board Mr. Obama chaired through CAC’s first year. He also served on the board’s governance committee with Mr. Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws. Mr. Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Mr. Obama. Mr. Ayers spoke for the Collaborative before the board. Likewise, Mr. Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the Collaborative.
The Obama campaign notes that Mr. Ayers attended only six board meetings, and stresses that the Collaborative lost its “operational role” at CAC after the first year. Yet the Collaborative was demoted to a strictly advisory role largely because of ethical concerns, since the projects of Collaborative members were receiving grants. CAC’s own evaluators noted that project accountability was hampered by the board’s reluctance to break away from grant decisions made in 1995. So even after Mr. Ayers’s formal sway declined, the board largely adhered to the grant program he had put in place.
Mr. Ayers’s defenders claim that he has redeemed himself with public-spirited education work. That claim is hard to swallow if you understand that he views his education work as an effort to stoke resistance to an oppressive American system. He likes to stress that he learned of his first teaching job while in jail for a draft-board sit-in. For Mr. Ayers, teaching and his 1960s radicalism are two sides of the same coin.
Mr. Ayers is the founder of the “small schools” movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to “confront issues of inequity, war, and violence.” He believes teacher education programs should serve as “sites of resistance” to an oppressive system. (His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his “Teaching Toward Freedom,” is to “teach against oppression,” against America’s history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.
The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming “guilt by association.” Yet the issue here isn’t guilt by association; it’s guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkemPwvi_qY
FREE SARAH PALIN
Hank, I’ll just copy and paste this from another thread where I had already responded to this.
I sit on a board as well, and we collaborate with each other about once every three months, but that does not mean I know these people all that well. Some on the same board as me I’ve met a few times. And never did anything other than our group activities together. And yes we collaborate with outside groups as well. Perhaps you don’t understand how being on the board of something works. I’m guessing maybe that is it. Your sources also keep calling community organizing to stamp out racism as something radical. How exactly is helping inner city kids and overcoming racism a bad radical thing?
The basis behind this is good. I know you don’t see the big picture- but you have to address social issues and inequality before you can address the educational issues. Often it is the social issues hindering educational opportunity and ability. You want to ignore those things, but at least these people are trying to do something to address it. its more than what you’ve ever done for inner city disadvantaged kids.
I get it that you don’t feel this Ayers guy has any redeeming qualities. He’s done his time. He is working to make better life for himself and people around him. I won’t fault him for that. And no matter how you try- you still cannot draw more than a casual link between him and Obama.
Its sickening really how you are spinning.
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“Politics is like driving a car. If you want to move forward, put the transmission in D. If you want to move backwards, put the trans in R. And if you want to go nowhere, put it in ‘N’ader.” Anthony Hensley, D-Topeka.
The truth which punctures holes in Hanks lies:
http://stopthesmears.com/site/smear/200/
Too bad, you guys can’t stick to the truth in your attempts to defeat Obama.
Beware, though, Obama is coming after that tired old man who is your candidate this Friday in the debates. It will be a car wreck you won’t want to miss!
Dear P-Mom,
You might read the editorial from the WSJ by Stanly Kurtz. Read it carefully and you’ll realize that your response is the ’spin’.
Ayers and his wife have been intimately associated with Obama and his wife for twenty years. Ayer’s wife introduced little Barry to Michele in the beginning.
Ayers is an unapologetic, admitted, proud terrorist and he has never ‘done his time’. The WSJ editorial proves more than a ‘casual link’ between Obama and Ayers. To deny the twenty year association is more than ’sickening spin’, it is incredible biased stupidity.
I still love ya, you make conservatives look good!
Last Saturday, a group of local activists gathered to to make calls to St Paul, Minnesota voters as part of a national push by MoveOn.org.
It was a pleasant and productive couple of hours working with other local progressives to help effect real change in America. Nationally, the group made 490,000 calls. MoveOn is very organized. We were calling fellow activists, not making “cold calls”.
I’d like to suggest the progressives on the board sign up on http://www.moveon.org and participate in the next event. It is 100 times more effective than shouting at the nay-sayers and the embittered cynics we expose ourselves to here….
Again,
“Those that make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable”
-JFK
I don’t much care for Ayers’ politics (that much), but he never kilt anyone. And I appreciate the WU’s philosophy about “Bringing The War Home”.
All of the “tough”, chicken-hawk, Monday-morning quarterback’s cheering on a war that they know zero about (other than killin’ them some sand-ni..er’s that “want to kill us”). Yeah, they can sit down to dinner, turn on the tube and watch what happened in war today, turn it off and go to bed. Day in and day out.
I can understand the Weather Undergrounds’ frustrations. The communist side of things…not so much.
But like that matters, we’re socialist’s anyhow. We’ve got Nazis and Mao-men running the country now.
It proves exactly that there is nothing more than a casual link. Your best is bogus, and I suggest you keep trying to use it, makes us look good.
From Steven’s link.
The Truth:
Barack Obama has very little connection to William Ayers. Barack Obama served on the board of a non-profit in Chicago. This non-profit also asked Ayers, now a professor at the University of Chicago, to serve on the board. Obama had nothing to do with his inclusion on the board.
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Now, carefully read the WSJ editorial again. This rebuttal from the Obama kool-aid drinkers is the only rebuttal, and it is a lie.
Come on Steven, are you really that stupid? I’m losing the last of what little respect I had for you.
I just unlisted from Move-on. I’m not going back.
Steven: You just linked to an obama spin site to “punctures holes in Hanks lies”??
“Come on Steven, are you really that stupid? I’m losing the last of what little respect I had for you.”
Losing Hank and outlander’s respect?, how disturbing. NOT!
The truth on this Ayers thing is nothing that you guys would be interested in, and pretending otherwise just makes you look more disgusting than you already are. See you after the debate, chumps!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkclbvuc9w
Barack Obama and the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers have worked closely together on education reform since 1995, and possibly since 1987. Obama has obfuscated and minimized this association in his public statements and on his website. Why the cover-up? We don’t know, since we aren’t sure what is being concealed.
It’s becoming known as the Annenberg Challenge cover-up and it’s become big news since the McCain campaign highlighted it in a press release late Wednesday.
In the past few days, Stanley Kurtz of the National Review has been trying to get access to the archives of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education reform group co-founded by Bill Ayers in 1995 and chaired by Barack Obama from 1995 to 1999. After originally giving Mr. Kurtz permission, the library then told him that he could not proceed because they did not have proper authorization from the donor of the archives. They would not identify the donor, but the library assured Mr. Kurtz that they hoped to conclude an agreement and make the documents available soon. And why that cover-up?
This is what we know. Bill Ayers was a leader of the Weather Underground, a violent radical student group of the 1960s. His father, Thomas Ayers, was a prominent Chicago business and philanthropic leader who served as an adviser to Mayor Richard J. Daley, father of the current Chicago mayor. Although he is not apologetic about his terrorist past (and had the bad luck to be quoted as saying, in an interview that ran on Sept 11 2001, that “I don’t regret setting bombs. … I feel we didn’t do enough.”), Bill Ayers has been accepted back into the Chicago political community and has been an informal adviser to the current Mayor Daley on education reform.
But regardless of his cachet in the liberal circles of Chicago politics, presidential candidate Barack Obama has not been eager to explain his own relationship with Bill Ayers. Published reports from February 2008 gave a glimmer of their ties. In 1995 Ayers hosted a fund-raiser for Obama prior to Obama’s run for Alice Palmer’s seat in the state Senate; they both served on the board of the charitable Woods Fund of Chicago from 1999 to 2002; and Ayers donated $200 to Obama’s state Senate campaign. Other researchers and reporters (for example, Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun Times) noted a few joint panel appearances and a favorable review by Obama of a book by Bill Ayers.
But even this was more than Obama was willing to admit. Asked point blank by George Stephanopoulos in the Philadelphia debate preceding the Pennsylvania primary to “explain that relationship for the voters,” Obama prevaricated by pretending he scarcely knew Ayers:
This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
It was left to Hillary Clinton to remind Obama of his service with Ayers on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. The next day the Obama campaign posted at their website a “Fact Check” purporting to explain the relationship. Other reporters had been told that “Bill Ayers lives in his neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school.” They were left with the impression that Ayers and Obama had first met at the 1995 fundraiser.
And what was missing?
Blogger Steve Diamond pointed out a very close tie between Obama and Ayers through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. At a White House event with Bill Clinton, philanthropist Walter Annenberg announced that he was making a $500 million grant to cities across the nation to put towards public school reform. Bill Ayers led the group that brought $49.2 million to Chicago and formed the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The kick-off in January 1995 was attended by the governor of Illinois and the mayor of Chicago, as well as many other luminaries. The first chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was Barack Obama, a post he held until 1999 when he stepped down and remained on the board. Bill Ayers worked closely with the Challenge as a leader of the newly-formed Chicago School Reform Collaborative.
That is a relationship that goes well beyond “a guy who lives in my neighborhood.” And there is a possibility the relationship began long before 1995. In 1987 there was a push for school reform in Chicago. Thomas Ayers was a leader of the ABCs Coalition which was coordinated by his son, Bill Ayers. One member of the coalition was the Developing Communities Project, headed up by Barack Obama before he left for Harvard.
Obama has not been forthcoming about this. And the latest development in the news concerns the archives of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, currently housed at the Richard J. Daley Library of the University of Illinois at Chicago. Mr. Kurtz was originally granted permission to review the archives, which might shed a great deal of light on the extent of the interaction and working relationship between Messrs. Obama and Ayers. However, the donor, whose identity the library will not reveal, has not granted permission for the public to have access to these documents; the library claims to be negotiating their release post-haste.
The McCain campaign team has highlighted this puzzle in a recent press release, which should create some media attention.
Obama has been concealing and misleading the voters about his relationship with Ayers, and someone is keeping the lid on these documents. So again, why the cover-up?
Without knowing the extent of the relationship, it is impossible to be certain why Obama is concealing it. At a minimum, I would guess that he would prefer not to explain to middle America why he chose to have a longtime association with a domestic terrorist and hard left radical. It is also a probable source of embarrassment that the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was viewed as a failure. Obama does not have much executive experience on his resume and education reform is a topic near and dear to many voter’s hearts. Since Obama’s career in education reform amounts to hanging with a radical leftist terrorist and accomplishing nothing, he might well prefer to conceal this and discuss something else.
But it is possible there is more to hide. The tax returns of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge are available (1998, 1999) and include disbursements made by the group, so if Chairman Barack was funneling money to absurd left wing projects the public would soon find out. But what if Ayers advocated some now-embarrassing left-wing proposal supported by Obama but rejected by the full board? Since it was never funded, that moment of awkwardness would show up in the currently-concealed board minutes but not the tax returns. Steve Diamond noted that an early disbursement of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was to a group led by former student radical Mike Klonsky. Is No Radical Left Behind the sort of Hope and Change on which Obama wants to campaign?
More probably, the board minutes may simply detail a close relationship between Ayers and Obama. Steve Diamond obtained related records from Brown University and confirms that Ayers made presentations to the board while Barack chaired it, so we can be sure they worked together. And tagging Ayers as an unapologetic left-wing radical is easy. For example, his speech to Hugo Chavez of Venezuela in 2006 explained the importance of education reform: “We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution” or “La educacion es revolucion!”.
We will see whether Obama can keep these secrets through November.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-and-the-annenberg-challenge-cover-up/
I doubt if I even watch the “debate” Steven. All it is is candidates doing their best to remember canned answers. A stupid exercise to help pick a president. It reveals little about the candidate’s ability to govern.
Did you know that back in Lincoln’s day, there was no direct vote? It is an interesting story. He never campaigned. One day, he received word that he was the new president.
HLP posts;
“Come on Steven, are you really that stupid? I’m losing the last of what little respect I had for you.”
HLP,
YES YES YES HLP, he is that stupid!
Did you read some of his posts yesterday on the Palin thread.
Making accusations he couldn’t support with even one thread of evidence.
His post are scroll-over anymore.
I suspect he is getting desperate with fear, the little lady from Alaska has reduced him to peeing in his pants.
Stanley Kurtz IS a radical, and therefore he will project radicalism on others. Kurtz is little better than Franklin.
Now for some bulls*t free analysis of recent political ads:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/there_he_goes_again.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sparring_in_spanish.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/scaring_seniors.html
More bullsh*t free analysis of recent presidential ads:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_social_security_whopper.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/out_of_context_on_health_care.html
And finally:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/guilt_and_associations.html
Notice, by the way, that both candidates have tried the bullsh*t guilt by association card. And in neither case, do such strategies hold up well in reality. Oh, you know, like Kurtz’s nasty little piece of bullsh*t pollution Hank saw free to head this thread with.
“Mr. Ayers is the founder of the “small schools” movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to “confront issues of inequity, war, and violence.” He believes teacher education programs should serve as “sites of resistance” to an oppressive system. (His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his “Teaching Toward Freedom,” is to “teach against oppression,” against America’s history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.”
Well I cherry picked this.
Mr Ayers sounds wonderful to me. He advocates much of what I teach my own son.
After watching video of Obama claiming he never once heard anything radical at his church..followed by another video of Obama saying that yes he did hear radical things at his church I am absolutely convinced he cannot be trusted. He lies and has been caught lying on video.
I don’t care one whit about that stupid preacher, but for Obama to completely contradict himself in two different interviews proves he cannot be trusted.
Why should this Ayers business be any different?
“Mr Ayers sounds wonderful to me. He advocates much of what I teach my own son.”
HEHEHE
Maybe you son will hand you the gun some day. You know, save your dignity and all that.
Too late for yours.
Kept man.
I guess the open thread is the only way we can get a ‘get the truth about Obama’ thread. It’s time the truth about Obama’s shady friends comes out.
‘You are known by the company you keep’ my mom always said. Truer words were never spoken.
BJ I am off to work this morning. Why aren’t you? YOU have a family to support you know even if you are teaching your son to hate.
BlueJay posts:
“Mr Ayers sounds wonderful to me. He advocates much of what I teach my own son.”
You may want to consider letting your child have a childhood, free from the diseased values you are are trying to impart on him.
BlueJay, you may also want to consider what growing old completely alone will be like if your son begins to think on his own and rejects not only your values but you yourself.
Being insulted by HLP and Boxlock is indesputable evidence one is on the right track. I knew that already, so I guess their help is not really needed.
It must really suck to be you guys.
“indesputable” should have been “indisputable”
Want lies?
Check out this website….
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=obama+lies+to+america&hl=en&emb=0&aq=1&oq=Obama+Lies#
Go change your diapers Steven, you look ridiculous like that and that’s “indisputable”!
PM…your experience is not relevant here. Your experience of minimal contact on a with other board members does not prove or disprove any relationship between Obama and Ayers. I have also been on a community board, and we all interacted quite closely.
So, while your experience doesn’t have any bearing on a Chicago group, I would think that since the ayers/Obama relationship spans over 20 years, that would suggest something much more than a nodding acquaintence.
“Go change your diapers Steven, you look ridiculous like that and that’s “indisputable”!”
Boxylocks is such a mental giant. My last response to you ‘tard.
Illegal Immigration and the Mortgage Mess
Michelle Malkin
“t’s no coincidence that most of the areas hardest hit by the foreclosure wave — Loudoun County, Va., California’s Inland Empire, Stockton and San Joaquin Valley, and Las Vegas and Phoenix, for starters — also happen to be some of the nation’s largest illegal alien sanctuaries. Half of the mortgages to Hispanics are subprime (the accursed species of loan to borrowers with the shadiest credit histories). A quarter of all those subprime loans are in default and foreclosure….
The chickens are coming home to roost. And law-abiding, responsible taxpayers are going to pay for it.”
http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2008/09/24/illegal_immigration_and_the_mortgage_mess
We’ll see Steven….we’ll see, ha!
Hank, I know you are a dishonest fundy but I’ll point out to you Obama was born in 1961 so he wasn’t taking part in the Weather Underground. No doubt the reich-wing shills like Kurtz and the openly racist Fox News has to bring up Ayers because, otherwise, they might have to focus on the issues, which is McCain’s weak point.
“, free from the diseased values you are are trying to impart on him.”
Ya know box. a while back I promised you a roundhouse punch that would be a breath of fresh air to more reasoned posters.
Some time ago, I was at my son’s open house. As we walked and talked about his teachers and classes, we passed a young girl who appeared hurt that my son Nathan did not notice her.
It wasn’t his fault. He was busy talking to me.
In any case, the young girl eventually spoke up, “Nathan, hug?” And my son walked over and hugged her.
I asked him, “Who is that? She seems nice.”
My son answered: “She’s a friend of mine. She’s bi. Her and I and some other friends hug people. It’s kind of our thing.”
I was surprised to hear this term from my son. We haven’t talked about such things other than as to tolerance. CLEARLY, the schools and socialization with my guidance are doing a good job. Because I asked my son, “Well, that’s different. And it does not bother you?”
He looked at me curiously, “Well no, why would it?”
I told him that he was right and I was very proud of him.
So you see, boxy, a new generation is coming into their own.
They don’t know the intolerance and bigotry that you grew up on.
They look at you like something that fell out of a tree.
For some “Hee-Haw” laughs, check this out:
http://pod01.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=31&nav=messages&webtag=kr-kansastm&tid=32171
Is this what we and our children have to look forward to by electing a possible Muslim sympathizer to the White House?
This is a short movie, approx. 17 minutes, produced and directed by a Dutch cinematographer. He is in hiding, as you will see there is jihad against him in the Nederlands. This movie is to be viewed at a serious time, with concentration, to understand the depth intended by the director. We have had plenty of warning…………….we must be alert to the threat.
THIS IS VERY GRAPHIC IN PLACES, SO SOME OF YOU MAY WANT TO BE READY TO TURN YOUR HEAD. IT IS, HOWEVER, THE SHOCKING TRUTH ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AROUND THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
THIS SCOURGE MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COST AND FURTHER DEMONSTRATES HOW IMPORTANT OUR DECISION IS IN NOVEMBER FOR AMERICA ’S FUTURE. PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS YOU WISH.
http://video.Google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410
This is the film that has the EU and the Muslim world VERY UPSET right now. Most websites have removed it, including You Tube. All bowing t o threats. Google still has it posted as of today but, will probably bow to pressure soon. Can be a little tough to watch in spots. But this is really what we are up against.
Tom Rezko = Just a guy I got money from.
Tony Rezko = Just a guy that I bought a house from
Jerimiah Wright = Just a Preacher at my church
William Ayres = Just a guy that threw me a party
Nothing to see here folks move along….
BlueJay posts;
“They look at you like something that fell out of a tree.”
And landed on his feet instead of his head.
JR, a couple of things struck me as I read your story. First, that girl is what, 14, and knows she is “bi”? How? Somebody needs to provide help for that poor confused little girl. She needs more than a hug.
“This is a short movie, approx. 17 minutes…”
WHY would I waste 17 minutes of my life (and considerably more waiting for it to buffer) being told that I should go about wetting my pants for fear all the time?
The “scary terrorists!” bit doesn’t work anymore. American conservatives are quite scary enough and are the main threat to me and mine and country.
“Somebody needs to provide help for that poor confused little girl.”
Yeah, aint it awful how she goes around HUGGING people!
BlueJay posts;
“WHY would I waste 17 minutes of my life (and considerably more waiting for it to buffer) ”
Because 17 minutes of your life is what many consider less than worthless. Maybe you could improve that by educating yourself a little.
By the way, my computer buffers quite quickly, what are you running anyway, an Apple II.
Boxlock
Posted September 24, 2008 at 8:09 am | Permalink
BlueJay posts;
“WHY would I waste 17 minutes of my life (and considerably more waiting for it to buffer) ”
Because 17 minutes of your life is what many consider less than worthless. Maybe you could improve that by educating yourself a little.
By the way, my computer buffers quite quickly, what are you running anyway, an Apple II.
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Read: I’m out of “big floppys” and this 386sx is a little slow……
Thanks no, Boxlock.
I get ample education, on this forum, everyday of who my REAL enemies are.
BeeJay- I was surprised to hear this term from my son.
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What a phony you are.
Conservatives are scared little children. Scared of Communists, scared of Jews, scared of Muslims. It’s no wonder they grip their crosses and sleep with a gun under the pillow. It’s all they have to keep from wetting themselves.
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Maggotpunk
Posted September 24, 2008 at 8:19 am | Permalink
Conservatives are scared little children. Scared of Communists, scared of Jews, scared of Muslims. It’s no wonder they grip their crosses and sleep with a gun under the pillow. It’s all they have to keep from wetting themselves.
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Chuckle… Maggie, you are a pretty good real life parody of a wacko.
Boxy, Muslims make up less than 1% of the U.S. population but you are running around scared shouting that the sky is falling. Grip your teddy bear a little tighter, there are Blacks and Mexicans for you to be scared about too.
Here’s another thing for conservatives to be scared about, football players. Apparently football players find sodomy with a broomstick a fun activity.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/23/national/a110946D99.DTL
Never mind, turns out with all the closeted gay Republicans they might actually enjoy it.
Are you folks still fighting over who is the least criminal between the two?
Lemmings.
Maggotpuke- “turns out with all the closeted gay Republicans”
At last maggotpuke Shows his bigotry and fear.
He is not afraid of Blacks
He is not afraid of Jews
He is not afraid of Communists
He is not afraid of Football players
He IS afraid of GAYS….
Strange….
Why are we wasting space on some nonsense about Obama being on the same board as a radical, who was never convicted and supposedly did what he did years before Obama was ever born? Are any of these board members under indictment for anything? Anybody killed? Maimed? Sent to prison? It’s a complete non-issue, just like Obama not being an American citizen, a Muslim, taxing everybody . . . yadda, yadda, yadda. It’s the silly season, and all this is doing is detracting from issues like Education, the financial meltdown, the war . . .
Both parties are guilty of it, but this election cycle has nothing but lies, damn lies and lack of statistics:
“McCain is making no effort to be truthful,” says Farhad Manjoo, author of True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society. “The lies aren’t routine political lies where they stretch the truth of what a candidate might have said, or take a candidate out of context.”
PolitiFact.com, a fact-check team from the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times and Congressional Quarterly, rates 22 statements and ads from McCain as barely true, 23 as false and six as “pants on fire” (absurdly, ridiculously false) out of 117 analyzed. For Obama, the score is 14 barely true, 18 false and one “pants on fire” out of 120 analyzed.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-22-ads_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
It is indeed the silly season, and all this crap is basically nonsense. Hank, take a chill-pill.
Ayers, Wright, Fannie Ceo, I love the smell of con desperation in the morning. Does Obama’s 9 point lead have anything to do with it?
It’s the Economy, Stupids!
Just for your(everyone) FYI- FactCheck.org is unreliable.
Tell me Maggotpuke, BeeJay, Phluffer, SteveBedwetta.
If libtards are so smart, and the demoratic platform is so great…..
Why are the Cities with the-
Highest violent crime rates.
Highest teen pregnancy rate.
Lowest test scores.
Highest school dropout rate.
Highest unemployment.
Highest drug use.
Most STDs.
ALL RAN BY LIBERAL DEMORATS?
Is THAT the ONES vision for America?
Maggotpunk Posted September 24, 2008 at 8:26 am |
“Boxy, Muslims make up less than 1% of the U.S. population but you are running around scared shouting that the sky is falling.”
Maggot,
But there are over 1.5 BILLION worldwide, at least from one source.
Those that have committed acts of terror usually did did not originate from the countries where they committed their acts, ie. 9/11.
The Bush administration has done an admirable job of preventing another in the U.S.
To not look for dangers coming from outside our own borders is irresponsible.
But what’s new with you.
JMPaste- “Farhad Manjoo?”
Well THERE is a name you can trust!
nit.
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Heckler
Posted September 24, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink
Just for your(everyone) FYI- FactCheck.org is unreliable.
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Really? Because they point out the bs coming from both candidates?
Then how about http://www.politifact.com
Are they unreliable as well? Or is it the fact you can’t handle the truth?
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biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink
Tell me Maggotpuke, BeeJay, Phluffer, SteveBedwetta.
If libtards are so smart, and the demoratic platform is so great…..
Why are the Cities with the-
Highest violent crime rates.
Highest teen pregnancy rate.
Lowest test scores.
Highest school dropout rate.
Highest unemployment.
Highest drug use.
Most STDs.
ALL RAN BY LIBERAL DEMORATS?
Is THAT the ONES vision for America?
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Gee, got a RELIABLE source for that, or did you get it from “Just for your(everyone) FYI- FactCheck.org is unreliable” source?
Whether or not Farhad Manjoo is reliable or not is not my concern. What he wrote is the truth. Feel free to peruse the article using the link provided. Most of it was researched by Politifact.com. I know you neo-cons have a problem with the truth, but it’s there for anyone to read.
Now, can we get serious and discuss the financial meltdown, and the socialist state being created by the Bush administration?
But John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) in a hat and you’ve got this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJKzDSsG0Q
JWPaster- Now, can we get serious and discuss the financial meltdown, and the socialist state being created by the Bush administration?
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Too late JW, Demorats already got that one.
Were you not here yesterday?
Do you think Dodd and Franks should lose their jobs and pension for gross neglegence and dereliction of duty?
JM
Havent checked politifact.com yet.
Another work of art by Richard Crowson in today’s Eagle.
Truly, our area is gifted to have such a brilliant artist and commentator.
JMlibtard- Whether or not Farhad Manjoo is reliable or not is not my concern.
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nor mine.
Fannie and Freddie together only count for a paltry 25 bil. in bailout money and in fact aren’t being counted in the 750 bil., Kind of shoots down the F&F arguement that they caused this mess.
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/105824/The-Wall-Street-Bailout-Plan-Explained
Americans aren’t fooled, they know this calamity is caused by the Republicans, hence, Obama’s 9 pt. lead.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080924/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_poll_economy10
I look for double digit lead after the debates, looks like Obama’s Closing the Deal.
He’ll just have to be careful that he doesn’t look like he’s beating up on dottering ol’ Gramps. If he pisses Mccain off, it’s over for the Repubs.
JM
Politifact.com is questionable. They gave a “pants on fire” badge to the NRA regarding a charge they made against Obama.
Of course when it comes down to rating Spin from 2 different sides in politics I can understand the difficulty. Most political adds have some basis in fact however tenuous it may be.
In my humble opinion a “pants on fire” badge would mean a flat out lie. In this particular case it was not a flat out lie. Was it a stretch, yes, a lot of political adds are. Lie? No.
Democrat run Cites lead the highest crime and murder rates
Dems vote with their emotions not their brains.
Why is it that every Democratic run city has the highest crime rates??
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2085615/posts
That must be a burden, keeping Sarah under wraps:
“In a sign of how concerned the McCain campaign is about having Palin exposed to unscripted moments with the news media, print reporters were barred from a picture-taking session at the beginning of the Palin-Karzai meeting in Karzai’s hotel suite.
After they protested, reporters were allowed to attend Palin’s photo sessions with Uribe and Kissinger.
So, all they did is get to watch the photo shoot.
Hey biased dipsh.t,
One more time, I’m no “lib”, I’m an American. You’re just a stupid and blatently ignorant piece of uninformed dog feces with a gift of coming up with simple and sophomoric names (I’m sure it’s taken you a week to come up with them) to people who disagree with your biased, one-way thoughts.
To put it in terms you’ll understand, you’re just a “tard”.
Why don’t you “enlighten” me with your immense knowlegde of why these “Democratically” controlled cities are the way they are?
What precise legislation is being enacted to cause this? Or are you only familiar with what Limbaugh or Hannity has to say about it?
Here’s an interesting factoid:
“The bailout, potentially the United States’ biggest ever, could cost every American man, woman and child $2,300.
At $700 billion it would eclipse the roughly $550 billion which the United States has spent on the Iraq war since 2003
Phantasy-
Posted September 24, 2008 at 9:28 am | Permalink
That must be a burden, keeping Sarah under wraps:
“In a sign of how concerned the McCain campaign is about having Palin exposed to unscripted moments with the news media, print reporters were barred from a picture-taking session at the beginning of the Palin-Karzai meeting in Karzai’s hotel suite.
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The “concern” is in the Ones camp.
How do they prove the One is MORE qualified than Palin?
Sick the media on her, send 30+ lawyers/investigators to Alaska, Attack her, Attack her family, invade her PRIVATE e-mail, lie about her, and, when all THAT fails…….
protest that she can’t be properly “exposed”
Yes, Palin IS quite a “burden” for SOMEONE….
Phluffer- Why don’t you “enlighten” me with your immense knowlegde of why these “Democratically” controlled cities are the way they are?
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liberal policies, and handouts.
You see Biass,
Throughout the late 90’s I listened to Limbaugh, Liddy and Savage. I voted for the Bushs’ and made fun of and hated Clinton like all of you folks. But since right after 9-11 and especially since 2003/2004, a light bulb went off and I did some research and a little studying. You have not the intellectual capacity to do any thinking for yourself.
I regret ever having liked a Bush family member and I’ll have to answer for it at sometime in my life, like you and all of the other lemmings.
Phluffer- Limbaugh or Hannity has to say about it?
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I know Limbaugh is an entertainer, (pretty much a SNL skit on AM radio, really pisses off the libtards), but who is Hannity?
Phluffer- a light bulb went off and I did some research and a little studying.
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Well if you think liberalism and a nanny state are the answers to the questions you seek……..
Change the lightbulb.
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” —Thomas Jefferson
I just love the smell of Republican desperation in the morning!
Dear BlueJay,
Thank you so much for the little personal anecdotes you bring to the BLOG now and then.
We’ll call this one “Nathan and the Bi-Girl”.
We’ll file it with “I’m too stupid to buy a fishing license at WalMart”; the “I’m too bitter to buy a Taco at a drive-through”; the “I’m too lazy to work and provide my boy health insurance” (something that might come in handy if he catches an STD from the Bi-Girl) and my personal all time favorite from the archives, “I’m too irresponsible to bring my son in out of the street when I know there is a Pit Bull on the loose.”
LOL
Liberal policies aren’t what I seek. I don’t even know what that means anymore. There is zero difference between the two parties at their highest levels. Now Joe Lib and Bob Con will fight all day long about sh.it that will NEVER be agreed to. Meanwhile, the people “that matter” watch and laugh and rake it in. Joe and Bob get fu.cke.d alike.
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Predestined
Posted September 24, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink
I just love the smell of Republican desperation in the morning!
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Use some feminine hygiene spray, that smell will go away.
And BS, you don’t know who Sean Hannity is.
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biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 9:11 am | Permalink
JMlibtard- Whether or not Farhad Manjoo is reliable or not is not my concern.
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nor mine.
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Than obviously, neither is the truth, huh? Or does your screen name imply your thought process as is? Are you and Franklin, like, twins?
I’m sure after Palin finishes her apprenticship, she’ll be let loose to wow the crowds, that should be sometime in late October, if I’m not mistaken.
Boxlock thanks for the link to the short movie. It should be required viewing for all voters. We don’t appreciate our freedoms until we lose them. Historians through the ages have recorded this. That is what happened in the Netherlands. They were one of the most ‘progressive – liberal’ societies until taken over by muslims.
Those who have eye will see and be warned. The blind are left to stumble along in their ignorance until they are no longer needed. That would be BJ, Maggot, Pred. and others that refuse to look at the real issues.
They vote because of their social values not realizing that this will ever be won or lost in a political arena. They stumble on thinking the ‘fundies’ are their real enemies while all the while being overran by our real enemies. The biggest enemy we all have is the breakdown in basic values which we are seeing and a weakened society is a beatable society.
Democrats to Let Offshore Drilling Ban Expire, Conceding Defeat in Battle With GOP
Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Democrats have decided to allow a quarter-century ban on drilling for oil off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts to expire next week, conceding defeat in a months-long battle with the White House and Republicans set off by $4 a gallon gasoline prices this summer.
House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey, D-Wis., told reporters Tuesday that a provision continuing the moratorium will be dropped this year from a stopgap spending bill to keep the government running after Congress recesses for the election.
Republicans have made lifting the ban a key campaign issue after gasoline prices spiked this summer and public opinion turned in favor of more drilling. President Bush lifted an executive ban on offshore drilling in July.
“If true, this capitulation by Democrats following months of Republican pressure is a big victory for Americans struggling with record gasoline prices,” said House GOP leader John Boehner of Ohio.
Democrats had clung to the hope of only a partial repeal of the drilling moratorium, but the White House had promised a veto, Obey said.
The House is expected to act on the spending bill Wednesday. The Senate is likely to go along with the House.
cont’d at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426764,00.html
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biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 9:09 am | Permalink
JWPaster- Now, can we get serious and discuss the financial meltdown, and the socialist state being created by the Bush administration?
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Too late JW, Demorats already got that one.
Were you not here yesterday?
Do you think Dodd and Franks should lose their jobs and pension for gross neglegence and dereliction of duty?
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Do you think McCain should be allowed to run for president with people like Phil Gramm, who helped in engineering this mess, on his staff?
You still haven’t provided a link to you absurd proclamation all cities run by LIBERAL DEMOCRATS are overrun with:
Highest violent crime rates.
Highest teen pregnancy rate.
Lowest test scores.
Highest school dropout rate.
Highest unemployment.
Highest drug use.
Most STDs.
I would like to read about that, or is it just another “biased1″ blast of bs?
Just because there was a thread yesterday on the financial mess does not make the problem go away.
Want to tell me why the Bush administration is so gung-ho to get this 700 billion dollar bill passed so quickly? Could it be because there would be NO accountability? Seems both sides want this to reflect the taxpayers stake in the bill, something the Bush administration conveniently forgot to put into it.
Want to tell me why a private citizen just put 5 billion into Paulson’s old company? Think he knows something we don’t, and Paulson doesn’t want us to know?
Want to tell my why McCain has an old lobbyist from Freddie, who soaked them for more than a quarter mil, as his front man, should he get elected, to run the treasury?
Hey, just asking. I do expect, however, an answer matching your screen name: I doubt you’re capable of anything else. So surprise me!
Phuffler- Liberal policies aren’t what I seek. I don’t even know what that means anymore.
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Liberals.
A group of educated, condecending, elitist whom in the name of fairness and equality take $$ from the hardworking individual and give it to the, shall we say “less educated” and motivated people of a society.
Recent history.(say 50 years. 44 of which demorats held the power in the house and senate)
$$$ billions for “war on poverty” result- more poverty.
$$$ billions for better “education” result- higher drop-out rate.
$$$ billions for “war on drugs”, “anti-gangs”, “sex education”, “illegal immigration” result-
More addicts, more convicts, more gang violence, more teen pregnancy, more STDs, more people on welfare, more taxes, more social programs.
Conclusion: Liberals do not care about people or freedom. They care about power and control. They are elitist.
Take the $700 billion bail-out Nancy and Harry JUMPED on like a duck on a junebug. Because they care about people? please……..
If it was about PEOPLE you would be hearing how all this money could be used for their social programs, ie. “universal healthcare”"social security.”
It is only about power and control.
Of you.
$700 billion + of our money grabbed by the demorats without a single vote. No wonder Dodd and Franks did nothing.
Awww I got under Hank’s skin.
At least MY Nathan isn’t AFRAID of girls.
Heh
Man Passes Gas, Charged with Battery on Officer
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) — As if getting a DUI wasn’t enough, a man arrested for driving under the influence got in a lot more trouble at the police station.
Police stopped Jose Cruz on Route 60 in South Charleston Monday night for driving with his headlights off.
Then, he failed sobriety tests and was arrested.
When police were trying to get fingerprints, police say Cruz moved closer to the officer and passed gas on him. The investigating officer remarked in the criminal complaint that the odor was very strong.
Cruz is now charged with battery on a police officer, as well as DUI and obstruction.
Did you get busted without a fishing licence BJ?
“At least MY Nathan isn’t AFRAID of girls.”
HEHEHE
You mean, like you seem to be? Got a problem with long term commitments?
Are you going to come and pester me at WoofStock again this year?
According to Newsweek, who based the numbers on public vehicle registration records, John and Cindy McCain are the proud owners of 13 vehicles, which include:
2004 Caddy CTS
3 2000 NEV Gem electreic vehicles (these are very popular in retirement communities and look similar to a golfcart)
Vintage 1960 Willy’s Jeep
2008 Jeep Wrangler
2008 Volkswagon convertible
2007 1/2 ton Ford pickup
2001 Honda sedan
2000 Lincoln
2001 GMC SUV
and Meghan’s Toyota Prius
Maybe Gov. Palin can use those “golfcarts” to shoot bobcats in Arizona…
Do the McCains need more cars to fill the garages of the 7 (actually 9) houses? You decide.
CondeScending.
The War on Drugs is a failed NIXON program.
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biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink
Phuffler- Liberal policies aren’t what I seek. I don’t even know what that means anymore.
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Liberals.
A group of educated, condecending, elitist whom in the name of fairness and equality take $$ from the hardworking individual and give it to the, shall we say “less educated” and motivated people of a society.
Recent history.(say 50 years. 44 of which demorats held the power in the house and senate)
$$$ billions for “war on poverty” result- more poverty.
$$$ billions for better “education” result- higher drop-out rate.
$$$ billions for “war on drugs”, “anti-gangs”, “sex education”, “illegal immigration” result-
More addicts, more convicts, more gang violence, more teen pregnancy, more STDs, more people on welfare, more taxes, more social programs.
Conclusion: Liberals do not care about people or freedom. They care about power and control. They are elitist.
Take the $700 billion bail-out Nancy and Harry JUMPED on like a duck on a junebug. Because they care about people? please……..
If it was about PEOPLE you would be hearing how all this money could be used for their social programs, ie. “universal healthcare””social security.”
It is only about power and control.
Of you.
$700 billion + of our money grabbed by the demorats without a single vote. No wonder Dodd and Franks did nothing.
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Again (this is getting old): got a link? Make that up yourself? Rush call you and tell you to write that? Put on your tinfoil hat and receive instructions out of the ether? Inquiring (Liberal) minds want to know.
“Are you going to come and pester me at WoofStock again this year?”
I was walking by and stopped to talk to XXX, who happened to be there. You pestered me.
It was the same at the dog show.
And I am busy the morning of Woofstock at a meetup of more interesting people. Find something for YOUR Nathan to do that day so he does not cry about not being invited.
BJ are you ever going to work today. I am getting tired of you just hanging around the blog all day living off the fruits of others labor. You must be drawing a pension, disability payment or some other form of ‘welfare’ that you accuse so many on here of doing.
Living off the back of those hard workers that are paying their dollars so you can blog all day.
I challenge you to actually watch the link Boxlock posted. Very enlightening of intolerance at its best. You libs are all about tolerance you should enjoy it. But I know you won’t because your liberal mind would self distruct if faced with that much truth in such a short time.
Is this the same some son that read the bible in 5 minutes and judged all Christians as crazy. I don’t believe that or the drivel about the ‘hugger’ either. My sixteen year old granddaughter hugs everyone she sees. This is what teens do. I see it everyday.
You are just full of yourself and are probably raising your poor son to be just like you.
I am intrigued by the fishing licence story, BJ. Tell us about it. There must be a moral stand behind it, no doubt.
Remember when Scorsese directed “The Last Temptation of Christ?” The uproar from some churches — remember the preacher on TV demonstrating how to cut a movie screen with a pocket knife??
BJ as an avid fisherman, I would like your take on the regulations of the great state of Kansas.
An additional note to the above post re: McCain vehicles…
Barack and Michelle Obama own 1 vehicle, a Ford Escape hybrid.
Shall we talk “elitist” now?
JDuh-b- You still haven’t provided a link to you absurd proclamation all cities run by LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.
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Here is a list of the top “crime rate” cities. All are and have been for quite some time, ran by the demorats:
1. Detroit
2. Baltimore
3. New Orleans
Should I go on???
4. Newark
5. St Louis
6. Oakland
Seeing a pattern yet libtard?
7. Washington
8. Cincinatti
9. Philidelphia
There is the top 9
You want to know where New York falls?
You know Rudy (the REPUBLICAN) cleaned that place up.
Number 50.
Wichita, Ks?……..51
New York is 23 time larger than Wichita.
51
Keep on votin’ for them demorats.
DavidB
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:43 am | Permalink
Remember when Scorsese directed “The Last Temptation of Christ?” The uproar from some churches — remember the preacher on TV demonstrating how to cut a movie screen with a pocket knife??
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No.
HEHEHE
XXX and Mrs XXX and I were talking when you walked up, I included you in the conversation to be polite.
I’m a wonderful guy.
Republicans Gaining Ground in Congressional Ballot
USA Congress Election 2008 Video Reports Democrats currently hold a three-percentage point advantage over Republicans in elections for Congress, down from 15 points in February.
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This can’t be good news for the libs.
HLP
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink
HEHEHE
XXX and Mrs XXX and I were talking when you walked up, I included you in the conversation to be polite.
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Amazing to hear the real version of events of how things happened as opposed to the lying twisted version presented by Junior.
biased1: I think you might find thoses cities with very low incidents of the results you blamed on liberals in… socially liberal societies who have conservative fiscal policies. Think Western Europe, and the former British colonies like Australia New Zealand and Canada, Japan, etc. etc. Chicago has 600-800 hundred murders a year, Detroit 400-500, another city on the Great Lakes with about the same population, Toronto, has 40-70 murders a year. Guess which one has a more pronounced social society?
okobserver
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink
Republicans Gaining Ground in Congressional Ballot
USA Congress Election 2008 Video Reports Democrats currently hold a three-percentage point advantage over Republicans in elections for Congress, down from 15 points in February.
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Another HHUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEE defeat for the libtards…..
if this week is anything like last week, they should be jumping out the windows by saturday….
biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink
JDuh-b- You still haven’t provided a link to you absurd proclamation all cities run by LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.
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Here is a list of the top “crime rate” cities. All are and have been for quite some time, ran by the demorats:
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Yes, those bastions of Democratic Party strongholds, the inner city, blight, high crime and poverty. All exclusively purchased and owned by the Democratic Party and their policies.
Keep that trash out of my neighborhood, I don’t want Dem droppings on my lawn.
PreD the McCains have told many times that they provide housing for some aunts and other relatives. It wouldn’t be unusual for them to also provide vehicles for same.
You see in the conservative world we do things for others because we can. We don’t wait for the government to come in and takes dollars from us and provide cents to those in ‘need’ like the libs do.
servesomecrap- Toronto, has 40-70 murders a year. Guess which one has a more pronounced social society?
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The one that has a different definition of “murder?”
You’re a wonderful liar Hank.
XXX saw me first and spoke briefly with me and my family.
He went about the show and as my family stood there for a moment you called out something about barbecuing a goat? I didn’t respond.
biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:55 am | Permalink
servesomecrap- Toronto, has 40-70 murders a year. Guess which one has a more pronounced social society?
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The one that has a different definition of “murder?”
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“Stabbed 37 times in the back eh? Worse case of suicide I ever saw eh?”
BJ, I see you are shameful in regards to the fishing licence story and wish not to discuss it. It is OK, we all do embarrassing things from time to time…
83 Percent Of Americans Think The Country’s On The Wrong Track
More voters trust Obama to deal with the economy, and he currently has a big edge as the candidate who is more in tune with the economic problems Americans now face. He also has a double-digit advantage on handling the current problems on Wall Street, and as a result, there has been a rise in his overall support. The poll found that, among likely voters, Obama now leads McCain by 52 percent to 43 percent. Two weeks ago, in the days immediately following the Republican National Convention, the race was essentially even, with McCain at 49 percent and Obama at 47 percent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303667_pf.html
P.S. I am still trying to figure out what a “Muslim sympathizer” is…
EDITOR: What no Palin Thread today?
Better hurry up and put some more crap out here. Doesn’t matter if there is any truth to it, but hurry it up – the libs will be going through withdrawal.
Feeling shaky?
Palin will be fine, as long as she keep following the instructions to keep away from interviewers.
DavidB Rush is just talking about your poll and its makeup.
28% Republicans
A large percentage of blacks
I have looked at several polls today trying to find the pattern you showed in this one poll. Finally Rush cleared up the confusion.
You ‘the one’ worshipers will try anything.
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biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:44 am | Permalink
JDuh-b- You still haven’t provided a link to you absurd proclamation all cities run by LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.
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Here is a list of the top “crime rate” cities. All are and have been for quite some time, ran by the demorats:
1. Detroit
2. Baltimore
3. New Orleans
Should I go on???
4. Newark
5. St Louis
6. Oakland
Seeing a pattern yet libtard?
7. Washington
8. Cincinatti
9. Philidelphia
There is the top 9
You want to know where New York falls?
You know Rudy (the REPUBLICAN) cleaned that place up.
Number 50.
Wichita, Ks?……..51
New York is 23 time larger than Wichita.
51
Keep on votin’ for them demorats.
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(again . . . still) Link? Notice I haven’t had to resort to name calling . . . yet!!!
Haven’t answered my questions either.
Good morning Regular,
Yep, I was in a round pen at the time I supposedly ‘accosted’ our friend, junior. He walked up to me.
The infamous encounter at the dog show was similar. I’m the facilities director at the Coliseum for the April dog shows. I’m nice to people. It’s my job.
I’m a very wonderful person.
Actually, BJ, Hank is a great guy. Can’t stand his politics, and his son really needs to get laid, but he’s still a great guy. Treated me like family whenever I was at his home. His dogs, however, thought I must have had treats in my pocket. Didn’t have the heart to tell them is was just pieces of an old man falling off:-)
If you don’t like what’s happening to your economy and get mad, well there will be an attack on you and Al Qaeda will be the rascally culprit.
Current police and military, educate yourselves quickly. Pretty soon you’re going to have to do terrible things to Americans. Don’t do it, stand up for the Constitution.
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Pleefer
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:19 am | Permalink
Current police and military, educate yourselves quickly. Pretty soon you’re going to have to do terrible things to Americans. Don’t do it, stand up for the Constitution.
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I couldn’t agree more: kick them republicans out of office.
When your pension funds are gone, rest easy knowing Goldman Sachs is doing fine.
“Actually, BJ, Hank is a great guy.”
Thanks Walker! I couldn’t have said it better myself! I’m actually a very humble guy, just too modest to brag about it!
Seriously, you’re welcome any time, we need to go shooting again soon!
JMStalker- (again . . . still) Link? Notice I haven’t had to resort to name calling . . . yet!!!
Haven’t answered my questions either.
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There is no magic “link” my boy, you might try using “the google.” I’m not doing all the work for you lazy libtards that always seem to find a link link to some wacko website to support your aggenda.
Do the work yourself and see if it isn’t more rewarding to you.
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Do you think McCain should be allowed to run for president with people like Phil Gramm, who helped in engineering this mess, on his staff? YES.
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Want to tell me why the Bush administration is so gung-ho to get this 700 billion dollar bill passed so quickly? BECAUSE the bill doesn’t put a libtard in charge of the money.
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Want to tell me why a private citizen just put 5 billion into Paulson’s old company? BECAUSE he can.
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Want to tell my why McCain has an old lobbyist from Freddie, who soaked them for more than a quarter mil, as his front man, should he get elected, to run the treasury? WTF koolaid drinker.
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So surprise me! Hope that helps.
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So who is the ONE going to put in charge?
Sec of Treasury….Tom Rezko
Sec of Defense…..Louis Ferrakahn
Sec of Interior….Tony Rezko
Sec of Homeland security….Jeremiah Wright
Yeah, no worries mate.
bahhhhhhhhh……..
bahhhhhhhhh……..
fall in line sheeple….
Hank,
Not sure if I’ll make woofstock. Thats the same day as the memory walk for Alzheimers. Since my dad died my mom,sister and I paticipate every year in his memory and to help raise money to find a cure.
By a margin of 2 to 1, Americans blame the current financial crisis on republicans.
XXX
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink
By a margin of 2 to 1, Americans blame the current financial crisis on republicans.
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poor uneducated fools.
Yep, stupid Americans, huh? Eight years of neocon economics at work and they turn against the people who implemented them. Go figure.
DavidB
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:35 am | Permalink
Yep, stupid Americans, huh? Eight years of neocon economics at work and they turn against the people who implemented them. Go figure.
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Thanks for proving my point.
HLP
Posted September 24, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink
HEHEHE
XXX and Mrs XXX and I were talking when you walked up, I included you in the conversation to be polite.
I’m a wonderful guy.
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You guys have better memories for details that I do. I remember the incident but not the minor details.
And yes, Hank. You’re a wonderful guy (when you’re not being a knot-head, LOL).
If you looked up the term full of sh*t in the dictionary you would find little junor’s picture.
The person I feel sorry for is his son. Talk about not preparing a kid for life! Going into the world believing that anyone who doesnt see things like you do is your enemy is going to make it a rough go for him. And realizing that people who have more than you are not obligated to give some to you is going to be an awakeining. He will learn the hard way the world doesnt owe him squat
biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink
XXX
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink
By a margin of 2 to 1, Americans blame the current financial crisis on republicans.
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poor uneducated fools.
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Don’t you wish? Yours is the party of deregulation and no regulation. The GOP owns this failure.
oink oink! Like pigs to the trough these conservatives.
I don’t care who is to blame for the current financial crisis , they should not be bailed out. They should suffer the consequences of poor choices like the rest of us.
Sometimes I wonder if you really can sort out the pigs at the trough. They all look muddy to me.
Why, right now they are getting ready to eat 700 billion dollars for bankers, rich investors, and CEO’s.
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden routinely mocks his Republican counterpart, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, for her onetime support of the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere.” But Biden and his running mate, Barack Obama, voted twice to keep the project alive. “They had a chance to vote specifically against the Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska … and they chose not to,” said Bill Allison of the Sunlight Foundation
heard a guy on the radio tonight asking if it would be legal to freeze the assests including property of all these CEOs as some sort of collateral.
Freebird1971
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink
If you looked up the term full of sh*t in the dictionary you would find little junor’s picture.
The person I feel sorry for is his son. Talk about not preparing a kid for life!
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You’re one to be lecturing about how to prepare a kid for life. What kind of example did you set for your kids?
Hey Freebird,
I’ve got sheep, goats, dogs, horses and ducks. We’ll get together with your grandson some time and have our own mini ‘WoofStock’.
In fact, one of these fall days I might tryy and give some buggy rides to liberals if they bring their grandkids out.
I’m a very, very wonderful guy.
ANTI
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:45 am | Permalink
I don’t care who is to blame for the current financial crisis , they should not be bailed out. They should suffer the consequences of poor choices like the rest of us.
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That’s not the republican way.
Thanks XXX!
I’ll take that as a compliment. Being a knot-head is one of my endearing qualities.
I set the example that if you make bad judgements in life there are concsequeses that there is nothing wrong to admitting you have a problem,what is wrong is doing nothing about it.
Anything else you want to know?
By the way my kids are doing great and making their own way in life without waiting for someone else to do the work for them
That’s not the republican way.
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That is the right way.
XXX,
Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance
XXX, there are idiots, thieves, and frauds in every party.
Anti, I completely agree with your 11:45 post. So… in agreement… I’m gonna repost this from another thread. Mean ol’ biotch that I am. heheheh.
“Not only do I NOT favor bailing out the big guys, I’m not sure I favor helping the homeowners either. Hell, most of us would have liked to have owned a mcmansion, but we were smart enough to realize we couldnt pay for it even if we got the loan to buy it.
Make EVERYONE pay for being stupid.
And for those of you lamenting the loss in value of your 401k’s etc….
I’m sorry, but when the market was booming, you were more than happy to accept the growth in your retirement money. You were part of the problem. Having your retirement in a 401k does NOT absolve you of responsibility for managing your own money. And… some of you were also more than happy to imply that those of us with no money in the markets were… stupid.
Stupid is as stupid does. If you got the gain, you should be able to handle the pain. That goes for the big guys, the little guys, and everyone in between.
If the american people remain insulated and protected by their nanny state government, and if they do not face the consequenses of who they voted into office, they will never learn.
I say make it hurt, so business AND the voters NEVER forget what they get when they drink the kookaide.
And if they want four more years of this crap by voting for mcsame to carry on the republican deregulation mantra? They get what they deserve.
Make it hurt.”
Mean ol’ biotch that I am. heheheh.
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Mean? Nah.
‘Tuff’? Probably.
;)
A must see movie!
http://www.americancarol.com/
Heh Hank can’t even lie intelligently.
“Yep, I was in a round pen at the time I supposedly ‘accosted’ our friend, junior. He walked up to me.”
Just how DOES someone “walk up” to someone in the middle of a round pen?
Any reader of this forum for more than a few days knows I would not approach Hank unless I was carrying a torch.
Like I’ve said before, they are ALL owned by the same people…
From Crooks and Liars.
” The New York Times and Newsweek are reporting that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis was paid $15,000 a month by Freddie Mac as recently as last month, directly contradicting statements made by the entire campaign as late as Tuesday.
New York Times:
One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae.
Rachel sat down with Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff last night to talk about the revelations, including the fact that Davis appears to have been paid all this money for nothing other than his access to John McCain.
How are we supposed to believe McCain will root out corruption in Washington when his campaign is run by the people doing all the corrupting?
What’s even worse is that for the past two weeks, the McCain campaign has been trying to tie Obama to disgraced former Freddie Mac CEO Franklin Raines, arguing that their “relationship” (a single contact from an Obama campaign official that both parties deny amounted to anything) somehow taints Obama. Nevermind the fact that McCain’s most senior campaign official was on Freddie’s payroll as late as last month. The hypocrisy couldn’t be more glaring.
I’m with Anonymous Liberal when he says:
“If Guinness gave out world records for political hypocrisy, this particular line of attack would have to make the book. It really is incredible.”
KFG,
If column is going to be anything like your posts your liable to cause some heartattacks and strokes out there in the hinterlands
…and paulie, your own link on the bailout thread yesterday says that Raines left Freddie in 2004.
And HE’s the problem?
heheheh. HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA!
Damn Paul. You do make me laugh. Just keep posting that stuff. Obama needs the help…
“liable to cause some heartattacks and strokes out there in the hinterlands”
Uh, I think that’s why they hired me! :)
We need to grow up…sorry, you folks who want to blame “the other side” need to grow up. You vote for people with great hair and whatever personality traits that are the flavor of the times. You believe any lie that’s thrown at you, because they don’t lie, they are our loving government. We deserve all of this for not voting people in that may not have been the pretty people, but knew their sh.it, ie; Ron Paul and the like. He’s been the one for 30 years foretelling all of this and you just laughed at him and called him a kook. You laughed right along with McCain and the rest while they made fun of him during the debates.
Our educations…all of us, have been to gear us for being slaves. That’s it, just slaves. Punch a clock and let those “smart, good looking folks” think for us. We ignore “politics as usual” and let them run amok. We let morality go by the way-side for a quick fix and a quick buck. ALL OF US. And when we’re faced with a crises like this, where NO ONE knows how to fix it and the administration won’t let anyone in Congress review the Treaury’s “fix”. The only thing they can do in regards to reviewing it, is to sign another blank check. Much like the do-nothing’s did when they signed the blank check for wars without end. This is treason, but we’re even okay with that just so long as we can keep our IPod’s.
Right now, you bet, we’re the EVIL EMPIRE.
God help us.
HLP
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink
Thanks XXX!
I’ll take that as a compliment. Being a knot-head is one of my endearing qualities.
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And I would heartly agree!
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
Dear Friends,
Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.
The events of the past week are no exception.
The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress’ throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! “This is welfare for the rich,” he said. “This is socialism for the rich. It’s bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters.”
That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we’re being told it’s unavoidable.
The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences – predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics – are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!
• The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.
• Financial institutions are “designated as financial agents of the Government.” This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.
• Then there’s this: “Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.” Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.
There goes your country.
Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this “sadly necessary.” Sad, yes. Necessary? Don’t make me laugh.
Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind – another example of the big choice we’re supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they’re not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.
Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we’ll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.
The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?
When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?
Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.
In liberty,
Ron Paul
Freebird1971
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink
I set the example that if you make bad judgements in life there are concsequeses that there is nothing wrong to admitting you have a problem,what is wrong is doing nothing about it.
Anything else you want to know?
By the way my kids are doing great and making their own way in life without waiting for someone else to do the work for them
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Thank God they turned out ok in spite of the dismal example you set.
Freebird1971
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:55 am | Permalink
XXX,
Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance
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Speak for yourself, loser. I’m not the one who’s lecturing.
In other news:
“- Iran is nearing the ability to arm a nuclear warhead even if it insists its atomic activities are peaceful, the European Union warned Wednesday.
In comments prepared for delivery to the International Atomic Energy Agency’s 35 board members, the EU also asserted that Iran appeared to have had a past nuclear arms program despite its denials.
The statement was made available to reporters as the meeting turned its attention on Iran’s nuclear defiance on its third day. The main international concerns focus on the country’s refusal to freeze uranium enrichment despite three U.N. Security Council sanctions and its blocking of IAEA attempts to follow up on intelligence suggesting it was developing a nuclear arms program until several years ago.”
Le the
Eu worry about it. If they want to play cop, let them. On their dime, and with their people. You;ll find their commitment to doing that……zero
Sol, you know I’m not much of a fan of RP, but that was a GREAT post. They ARE all owned by the same people.
CYNTHIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God bless Ron Paul.
ANTI
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:57 am | Permalink
XXX, there are idiots, thieves, and frauds in every party.
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Right-O
But the GOP still owns this current crisis.
But yeah, I’m sure I’ll be voting for McKinney or Baldwin. I want to…dammit, I want to vote for Dr. Paul, but at the very least, the other 3rd partiers are united on the points that matter to all of us.
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biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:29 am | Permalink
JMStalker- (again . . . still) Link? Notice I haven’t had to resort to name calling . . . yet!!!
Haven’t answered my questions either.
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There is no magic “link” my boy, you might try using “the google.” I’m not doing all the work for you lazy libtards that always seem to find a link link to some wacko website to support your aggenda.
Do the work yourself and see if it isn’t more rewarding to you.
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Do you think McCain should be allowed to run for president with people like Phil Gramm, who helped in engineering this mess, on his staff? YES.
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Want to tell me why the Bush administration is so gung-ho to get this 700 billion dollar bill passed so quickly? BECAUSE the bill doesn’t put a libtard in charge of the money.
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Want to tell me why a private citizen just put 5 billion into Paulson’s old company? BECAUSE he can.
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Want to tell my why McCain has an old lobbyist from Freddie, who soaked them for more than a quarter mil, as his front man, should he get elected, to run the treasury? WTF koolaid drinker.
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So surprise me! Hope that helps.
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So who is the ONE going to put in charge?
Sec of Treasury….Tom Rezko
Sec of Defense…..Louis Ferrakahn
Sec of Interior….Tony Rezko
Sec of Homeland security….Jeremiah Wright
Yeah, no worries mate.
bahhhhhhhhh……..
bahhhhhhhhh……..
fall in line sheeple….
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I rest my case: You really can’t fix stupid, and stupid’s name, in this case, is biased1!
But the GOP still owns this current crisis.
It is the shills with their party’s c0cks shoved up thier @ss that still want to place blame. BOTH parties are at fault.
Exactly what good will finger pointing do at this point? Did they promise you they’d use astro-glide next time?
I looked at Baldwin. He is a little too religious for my taste. Holding my nose and voting Barr.
The religion thing gets me too. I might have to go with Cynthia. When she ran Rumsfeld over the coals over DynCorp’s child sex-slave rings and the missing 4 trillion dollars from the Pentagon…I loved her. Of course, they didn’t like that and took her job away. She’s too anti-gun for me…but, that’s what the Constitution is for. She’s a tough broad, she’d probably kick my ass for calling her that too. I just made my mind up.
Great post, sol. There is trickle down, at what seems an unavoidable consequence of this madness. The big three automakers want the feds to bail them out of their respective messes now. Next, it will be farmers . . . wait, don’t we bail them out already? Maybe the aircraft industry . . . wait, aren’t we renegotiating the tanker deal because Boing-Boing cried too much? The oil companies . . . shoot, already subsidized. I Know: Barbers!!!
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SolDevVB
Posted September 24, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink
But the GOP still owns this current crisis.
It is the shills with their party’s c0cks shoved up thier @ss that still want to place blame. BOTH parties are at fault.
Exactly what good will finger pointing do at this point? Did they promise you they’d use astro-glide next time?
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I think KY jelly is the preferred method by both parties:-)
K-Y is an oil product brought to us by a soon-to-be bailed out Mega Corp…
We all ought to just start loving Fascism, if we can’t beat them, let’s serve them.
Hahahaha,
Faux News just said that Bush MAY take his “plan” to all of us. What? And let We The People decide? Nah, he’ll do it just how he and his pallies want.
The first time I read this quote, I thought it was dangerously true.
Then I really started pondering it and thought how would this apply to
our own
lives/careers? Let’s look at it again to see how absurd it is.
You couldn’t get a job at McDonalds and become district manager
after 143 days of experience.
You couldn’t become chief of surgery after 143 days of
experience of being a surgeon.
You couldn’t get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent
after 143 days of experience.
You couldn’t join the military and become a colonel after a 143
days of experience.
You couldn’t get a job as a reporter and become the nightly
news anchor after 143 days of experience.
BUT….
‘From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State
Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential
exploratory
committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.
That’s how many days the Senate was actually in session and
working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready
to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes
of
Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Teddy, JFK and Ronald Reagan. 143 days?
We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after
143 days, that’s all it is – a start.
AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public seems to feel
comfortable with this and campaigning for him.
We wouldn’t accept this in our own line of work, yet some are OK with
this for the President of the United States of America ?
Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American
Idol.
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Interesting thought.
We need another war, QUICK-like, we are just to consumed with this economy nonsense. Let’s go kill some more folks and take our minds off of it for a while. AWESOME!
SolDevVB
Posted September 24, 2008 at 12:15 pm | Permalink
But the GOP still owns this current crisis.
It is the shills with their party’s c0cks shoved up thier @ss that still want to place blame. BOTH parties are at fault.
Exactly what good will finger pointing do at this point? Did they promise you they’d use astro-glide next time?
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I repeat:
Americans blame republicans for the current crisis by a margin of 2 to 1.
What good will finger pointing do? It needs to be made clear who’s at fault so they can’t do it again.
They are ALL to blame. If any “law” enacted or bill introduced isn’t explicitly written in the Constitution and they voted yes. They are at fault.
It needs to be made clear who’s at fault so they can’t do it again.
OK, so then shoot all the politicians. BOTH parties are at fault.
And you are looking at polls? XXX, when did you stop beating your wife? You put any weight on a poll question? Did they call every voting American? Didn’t get my call.
So they can’t do it again? Look at Congress right now. They are getting ready to hike up your skirt and give it to you but GOOD !!!!
So lay blame all you want if it makes you feel better, the truth is both parties have dirty fingers.
“We need another war, QUICK-like”
Careful Pleef. Bushco will raise the terra alert to orange.
Or maybe we’ll get another bin laden video in October.
Or another attack?
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
From the Preacher:
Chas
Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:29 am | Permalink
Ummmm AmWay???? You so irrationally attacked my statement of “TV — Radio with Pictures” Too damned bad that you never heard the phrase… As I said much earlier, I heard it a LOT growing up in Wichita… and from my father’s relations in Pennsylvania… and from many other adults…. After all, when I was born, commercial TV was still in its infancy…. not even out of diapers!! WELL, A$$Hole….. READ THIS, GENIUS!!!!
http://prodnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=9
Totally amazing what one little line in Google will do…. not to mention it might have kept you from continuing to be the ever LYING BASTARD you normally are!!!
I know you wont bother with an apology…. HOWEVER, I do think you might have lost what remnant of credibility you MIGHT have had on this Blog…. I suggest you think TWICE before you come attacking me again, A$$HOLE!!!!
“terra alert”…are you making fun of Bushs’ authentic Texas accent?
Wow, BJ’s kid hugged a “bi”!
We’ve come a long way baby.
It’s nice that we clearly identify everyone by their sexual orientation. How bout race? Religion?
To be truly “progressive” BJ’s kid should have said, “Hey Dad, I hugged a white, bi, atheist”!
That would be truly something to celebrate.
(Making sure we label people helps ensure that we continue to discriminate against certain groups of people. And that’s a great thing!)
Problem-Reaction-Solution.
It would be wrong to simply say, “Hey Dad, I hugged farmgirl.”
It’s important that you put a label on her.
XXXrated, Ksfrmgrrlicker, Phluffer, Crapon, JMStalker, Sally, Beejay and Phantasy.
Life is a tragedy for those that of you that “feel”
and a comedy for those of us that “think”
Bahhhhhhhhh……..
bahhhhhhhh………
back in line you miserable sheeple!!
You’re laughing?
I’ll check on you in the next year or so.
MaxGrobnik
Posted September 24, 2008 at 12:59 pm | Permalink
It would be wrong to simply say, “Hey Dad, I hugged farmgirl.”
It’s important that you put a label on her.
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I hugged an Agriculturist person.
ksfarmgrrl
Posted September 24, 2008 at 12:46 pm | Permalink
“We need another war, QUICK-like”
Careful Pleef. Bushco will raise the terra alert to orange.
Or maybe we’ll get another bin laden video in October.
Or another attack?
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Maybe that Rosa Parks stamp will be out by then.
bahhhhhhhh……..
bahhhhhhhh……..
Let my sheeple go….
Youre damned right Max… and I am damned proud of what I do… especially when I knock some of your “boys” down a few notchess!!
Chas what were you going to do to me again? I want to keep on top of things.
“Just how DOES someone “walk up” to someone in the middle of a round pen?”
hehehe
I see that you’ve been to the good Reverand Chas. school of ‘How to LIE on the BLOG and never admit to it’!
Of course, for those interested in accuracy, I never said I was in the “. . .middle of a round pen. . .” I was at the edge of the round pen speaking with our mutual memory challenged friend, XXX and his lovely wife. The round pen was only 20 feet in diameter, so even if I was on the other side it would still be easy for you to walk up to me.
Next time you come over to talk to me, bring that torch you mentioned. I’ll show you a clever way of putting your flame out.
Source: New York Times
WASHINGTON– One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said.
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Looks like McSame has the same problem with the truth that Bush has.
THis is disturbing, but then, it’s PETA ,so there you go:
“People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals sent a letter to Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield, cofounders of Ben & Jerry’s Homemade Inc., urging them to replace cow’s milk they use in their ice cream products with human breast milk, according to a statement recently released by a PETA spokeswoman.
PETA officials say a move to human breast milk would lessen the suffering of dairy cows and their babies on factory farms and benefit human health.
“The fact that human adults consume huge quantities of dairy products made from milk that was meant for a baby cow just doesn’t make sense,” says PETA Executive Vice President Tracy Reiman. “Everyone knows that ‘the breast is best,’ so Ben & Jerry’s could do consumers and cows a big favor by making the switch to breast milk.”
So, then would you have women lined up at the milking stations, chewing their cud? WOuld they be called twice a day to the barn? WOuld they be forced to have a baby so often in order to be milked? Would the babies be sold to some sort of solyent green plant? How much would you pay for human beastmilk? Can you get that in 2%?
THe questions are endless. And really, without merit. Just wanted to add a little wierd human, sorry, humor today
In a statement Ben and Jerry’s said, “We applaud PETA’s novel approach to bringing attention to an issue, but we believe a mother’s milk is best used for her child.”
Pretty soon you’re going to have to do terrible things to Americans.
Huh. I’d completely forgotten about the FEMA camps. I used to have some great pics of them, but I wiped that computer drive and they’re gone.
I’m okay with them. After all, McConnell is close by, so I won’t be far from home. :)
‘NASA climate expert warns Kansans of dire consequences of global warming‘
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/sep/23/nasa_climate_expert_warns_dire_consequences_global/
“One day after a scientist told Kansas leaders not to worry about global warming, one of the leading experts on climate change stated Tuesday that if carbon dioxide emissions continue to increase it will eventually mean the end of life.
“If we don’t get this thing under control we are going to destroy the creation,” said James Hansen, who heads the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies and was one of the first scientists to raise the alarm about global warming in the 1980s.
Speaking to more than 500 people at the Kansas Wind and Renewable Energy Conference, Hansen called for policymakers to phase out coal-burning power plants by 2030. This will reduce carbon dioxide emissions that he said have already caused serious and possibly irreversible damage to Earth.
“We do have a planetary emergency,” Hansen said.
Hansen said some scientists claim global warming is part of a natural climate cycle by pointing to past eras of higher temperatures.
But Hansen said the CO2 increases over the past few decades have been caused by humans burning fossil fuels, such as coal, oil and natural gas. Along with the increase in CO2 have come dramatic temperature shifts and environmental distress signals, such as the melting of glaciers, rising sea levels and expansion of deserts, he said.
“Humans are now controlling the mechanisms for climate change,” he said.
He said many energy companies try to confuse the issue in the public’s mind and are successful because some of the environmental changes take decades to detect. He accused those fossil fuel companies of being guilty of “crimes against humanity and nature.”
Hansen said the increase of CO2 must and can be reversed. In addition to removing coal-burning electric plants, he called on increased use of renewable energy and nuclear energy.
On Monday, research scientist Roy Spencer, who wrote “Climate Confusion,” said at a Kansas Chamber of Commerce event that burning fossil fuels wasn’t the cause of climate change, and that even if it was, the environment would be able to absorb the changes.
But Lt. Gov. Mark Parkinson, who introduced Hansen at the renewable energy conference, said, “The overwhelming amount of scientific evidence is that climate change is real and we have reached a point that if we don’t do something about it, future generations will be adversely affected.”
Parkinson said businesses that deal with climate change will be the ones that thrive.
“Companies that will survive the next 10, 20, 30, 50 years are companies that recognize these changes are taking place and will take advantage of them,” he said.
Hansen called on the United States to take the lead in reducing CO2 emissions, noting that it has produced the most. He said at some point humans will have to do without fossil fuels because there is a finite supply.
“Why not do it a little sooner and save the planet in the meantime?” he said.
Hansen also praised Kansas politicians who earlier this year blocked the construction of two coal-fired power plants in western Kansas.
“At least you have leaders who are trying to do the right thing,” he said. “
Boxy trembles:
“Maggot,
But there are over 1.5 BILLION worldwide, at least from one source.”
Okay, let’s pretend your numbers are accurate, which they probably are, 1.5 billion and a few thousand, at the most, are terrorists. So maybe one in a hundred thousand goes out and commits the same sort of terrorist act that Christians in America do on a far regular basis (your Christian clinic bombers and doctor assassins).
Naturally your solution is to send others to fight in your holy war. You’d fight, but as I’ve said before, you are too cowardly. It’s safer if you just stay home and piss yourself.
On the other hand we could try a nicer route that doesn’t employ the genocide Christian fundies love so much. Isolate them economically by getting off of oil, end imperialism and withdraw our soldiers from their countries, use family planning and small economic loans to uplift the females in their oppressive societies, invade their countries with Western culture. But I suppose killing them is a way only dimwitted fools resort to, because that has “always” been successful over the past 1,500 years.
Why buy the lady when you can get the milk for free?
-New PETA Slogan
One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said.
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Looks like McSame has the same problem with the truth that Bush has.
sorry, where is the problem with the truth in the above statement? The company received the funds. Supposedly, Davis has had no involvement with the company. Those are not disingeneous to each other, without the light of further data
Why buy the lady when you can get the milk for free?
-New PETA Slogan
I like it!
littlejane
Posted September 24, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said.
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That was proven to be false about 10 minutes after it hit the stands…..
Typical “Say ANYTHING” liberal tactics….
Worked soooooooo well in the last two elections……
Cosmos,
Whit all due respect to your fervor on GW,be it true or not,dont’ you think this country has more important things to worry about? Frankly,I could give less than a rat’s ass about Artic ice when this country is so screwed up
Freebird1971,
You should read: “Why is Arctic sea ice so important?”
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2008_faq.html
“Because we don’t think about future generations, they will never forget us.” Henrik Tikkanen
Why haven’t any of the IPCC computer model predictions come true? Not even one? Why can no two models predict the same thing?
“Outsiders familiar with the proper workings of science have long known that modern Climate Science is dysfunctional. Now a prominent insider, MIT Meteorology Professor Richard S. Lindzen, confirms how Al Gore and his minions used Stalinist tactics to subvert, suborn and corrupt a whole branch of science, citing chapter and verse in his report entitled “Climate Science: Is it currently designed to answer questions?” His answer: A resounding “NO!”
biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
littlejane
Posted September 24, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
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Your point in choosing another nic for me in your cut and paste?
biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
littlejane
Posted September 24, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
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Your point in choosing another nic for me in your cut and paste?
Come on Sol!
Richard S Lindzen? Really!
Don’t you know that he has utilized the services, even depends on, BIG OIL to provide fuel for his automobile?
hehehehe
American_Way
Posted September 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted September 23, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink
Does anybody here remember some of our elders saying something like: “TV – Yea — Radio with pictures”… I heard that a LOT growing up….
Chas you must live in on a different planet than the rest of us. This latest stretch (along with the stuck CAP LOCKS, is almost as classic as your lying your way out of what STFU really means.
Do you have good dope in your world?
Nothing personal. I’m from Kansas too, but never heard such things.
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In Honor of one of the oldest teams in baseball, and one of the newer teams in baseball, both winning their respective Divisions over the weekend…. Here is another (yes ANOTHER) link to “TV – Radio With Pictures”
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-788635/When-TV-Came-to-the.html
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As I stated earlier, perhaps it is AmWay who is living in a different reality… And maybe Max lives there too!!
Have fun!!
Uh, so when is the roast Cosmos? I want to get some pork ribs and beans ready.
Excellant paper, by the way. I’ve saved it to my desk top until I can fully read it later.
Thanks
Oh, BTW, Google has about 289 hits on the phrase never heard of by AmWay — Aint FACTS amazing???
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22TV+–+Radio+with+pictures%22&aq=f&oq=
Hank,
SHort one but a good one…
http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/CO2-Dateien/CO2-no-climate-driver.pdf
Chas what were you going to do to me again? I want to keep on top of things…
ANTI
Posted September 24, 2008 at 2:23 pm | Permalink
Chas what were you going to do to me again? I want to keep on top of things…
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Memory problems onlhy get worse with AGE…
Dumbkopf….
You are an angry little man Chas.
Al Gore calls for civil disobedience
“If you’re a young person looking at the future of this planet and looking at what is being done right now, and not done, I believe we have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience to prevent the construction of new coal plants that do not have carbon capture and sequestration,”
So, ya think he will pay any attorneys fees for these young people charged with the crimes they may commit? I think his answer will be
“HEY HEY WE WONT PAY!”
Al Gore calls for civil disobedience
“If you’re a young person looking at the future of this planet and looking at what is being done right now, and not done, I believe we have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience to prevent the construction of new coal plants that do not have carbon capture and sequestration,”
So, ya think he will pay any attorneys fees for these young people charged with the crimes they may commit? I think his answer will be
“HEY HEY WE WONT PAY!”
Hank posted September 24, 2008 at 2:16 pm | Permalink
Come on Sol!
“Richard S Lindzen? Really!
Don’t you know that he has utilized the services, even depends on, BIG OIL to provide fuel for his automobile?
hehehehe”
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Actually Lindzen has been funded by Western Fuels, wrote a speech that was underwritten by OPEC, and works for groups funded by ExxonMobil.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=17
Lindzen also does not have any science to back up his claims.
…….Lindzen also does not have any science to back up his claims.
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Never stopped a libtard from arguing….
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biased1
Posted September 24, 2008 at 1:02 pm | Permalink
XXXrated, Ksfrmgrrlicker, Phluffer, Crapon, JMStalker, Sally, Beejay and Phantasy.
Life is a tragedy for those that of you that “feel”
and a comedy for those of us that “think”
Bahhhhhhhhh……..
bahhhhhhhh………
back in line you miserable sheeple!!
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Yep, you really can’t fix stupid, as the above perfectly proves.
SolDevVB posted September 24, 2008 at 2:21 pm
“Hank,
SHort one but a good one…”
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ROFL, some more Ernst-Georg Beck!
Thank you SolDevVB, for the laughs, and for showing how easily you’re deceived.
Beck: Fig 1, temperatures 1998 > 2008
“Climate” is long-term, as in 30 years. 1998 had a record warm El Nino, and we’re currently in a La Nina and solar minimum period.
Beck: Fig 2, temperature anomaly at Antarctica vs CO2 levels
“Antarctica” is NOT “global”
Beck: Fig 3, CO2 re past 600 million years.
Earth was very different 600 million years ago. Temperature vs CO2 during the past 800,000 years is what’s relevant.
Hank,
Ya, I’d like that. XXX bought my .457, but I’m seriously thinking about a sweet .357 I saw:-)
Opps . . . .454…
Obama effigy hung from tree at US Christian college
Officials at a US Christian college have launched an investigation after a cardboard effigy of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was hung from a tree, a statement said Wednesday.
George Fox University, in Newberg, Oregon, said in a statement on its website that the cutout of Obama was found hanging from a tree on campus early Tuesday morning before being removed by staff.
A sign reading “Act Six reject” was taped to the cutout. Act Six is a scholarship program run by the college granted to 10 student leaders from urban Portland. Most of the students currently benefiting from the program are ethnic minorities, the statement said.
George Fox University President Robin Baker was to address the college’s 1,800-strong undergraduate body later Wednesday.
“We will not tolerate such displays and condemn it in the strongest terms,” Baker said in a statement.
The people responsible for the incident have not been identified, the statement said, but authorities have urged anyone with information to come forward.
Nice. Christian college hangs Obama effigy. Not too Christian, one would think. It appears race is an issue after all. I’m shocked.
“We will not tolerate such displays and condemn it in the strongest terms,”
Sounds like they’re trying to take away free speech rights!
Maybe they should just stick to burning flags.
JMWALKER- Does the .454 come with a tripod and sandbags ?
cosmos snorts: “Lindzen also does not have any science to back up his claims”
Neither does cosmos, the non-scientist.
At least Lindzen is a PhD that professors at MIT.
cosmos, the non-scientist, on the other hand, posts “Op Ed pieces” and quotes from opinion blogs for his non-science.
JMWalker
Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink
Nice. Christian college hangs Obama effigy. Not too Christian, one would think.
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Yeah, almost as bad as taking out a full page ad in the New York Times that reads, “General Betrayus.”
“We will not tolerate such displays and condemn it in the strongest terms,
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Probably done by an operative for the One…..
SEE HOW EVIL THOSE RIGHT-WINGERS ARE!!!!
Bahhhhhhhhh……..
bahhhhhhhh………
back in line you miserable sheeple!!
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JMWalker
Posted September 24, 2008 at 2:56 pm | Permalink
Hank,
Ya, I’d like that. XXX bought my .457, but I’m seriously thinking about a sweet .357 I saw:-)
_________________________________________________
We got enough guns and ammo, just bring your good eye.
BIASED1 = ONE RACIST PIG — OINK OINK!!
Anybody notice/heard that McCain wants to suspend all electioneering and postpone the debate to “concentrate” on the current fiscal crisis?
sursum
Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink
Anybody notice/heard that McCain wants to suspend all electioneering and postpone the debate to “concentrate” on the current fiscal crisis?
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Amybody notice that Obama doesn;t want to? He prefers to seek a higher office, rather than fulfill the office he already has. TYpical politician.
Multi-nic’d Regular posted September 24, 2008 at 3:17 pm | Permalink
cosmos snorts: “Lindzen also does not have any science to back up his claims”
Neither does cosmos, the non-scientist.
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Thank you multi-nic’d, for admitting that Lindzen does not have any science to back up his claims.
Multi-nic’d Regular: “At least Lindzen is a PhD that professors at MIT.
cosmos, the non-scientist, on the other hand, posts “Op Ed pieces” and quotes from opinion blogs for his non-science.”
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Lindzen writes inaccurate “Op Ed pieces”, that even his past co-author disagrees with.
‘Lindzen: point by point’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/lindzen-point-by-point/
Daniel Kirk-Davidoff (U. Maryland and one-time Lindzen co-author) provided a more detailed rebuttal of Lindzen’s argument in the comments to our previous post. It deserves to be more widely seen, so here it is again.”
See link.
‘Lindzen in Newsweek’
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/lindzen-in-newsweek/
Oh, sorry. Obama is busy
WASHINGTON (AP) – Democrat Barack Obama studied and practiced privately with aides in a Florida hotel Tuesday in the first of three days of intense preparations for his upcoming foreign policy debate with GOP rival John McCain.
Not surprised by McCain… When you are losing an election race as bad as he is, it isnt surprising he would want to suspend all electioneering, and weasel out of a debate…
Bailout = ?Way Out? for McCain???
cosmos_originally
Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Neither does cosmos, the non-scientist.
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Thank you cosmos, for admitting that you do not have any science to back up his claims.
What is your PhD in cosmos?
Do you have any training in Climate Science cosmos?
When is the last time you taught Climate Science at a University or did research in Climate Science cosmos?
Odds are that cosmos will never answer these direct questions, because cosmos is a non-scientist and a political hack.
I dont like the idea of either candidate being given the “questions” in advance… It’s one thing to give them the “umbrella” topic, i.e., foreign policy… but NOT questions!!
Thank you cosmos, for admitting that you do not have any science to back up his claims
should read as:
Thank you cosmos, for admitting that you do not have any science to back up your claims (i.e., all cosmos ever posts are op ed pieces and blog articles, not scientific articles.
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Chas
Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:44 pm | Permalink
I dont like the idea of either candidate being given the “questions” in advance… It’s one thing to give them the “umbrella” topic, i.e., foreign policy… but NOT questions!!
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You were given the Roosevelt question in advance Chas, and you still failed.
Chas,
McCain has been offering to debate with Obama in public since they started this thing.
He wants to postpone, not get out of, this debate and you say he is the one trying to avoid a debate?
Idiot.
Chas, remember to eat a green thing everyday and change your nic link when switching to SquarePeg. You will feel better.
littlejohn posted September 24, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Amybody notice that Obama doesn;t want to? He prefers to seek a higher office, rather than fulfill the office he already has. TYpical politician.
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littlejohn posted September 24, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Oh, sorry. Obama is busy
WASHINGTON (AP) – Democrat Barack Obama studied and practiced privately with aides in a Florida hotel Tuesday in the first of three days of intense preparations for his upcoming foreign policy debate with GOP rival John McCain.
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‘McCain seeks to delay debate to focus on economy’
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE2JCSH5p9r2GBkQWS9TWAMzmuvQD93D9CP00
“Republican John McCain said Wednesday he wants to delay Friday’s debate with Democratic rival Barack Obama and temporarily put aside their partisan campaign to resolve the nation’s financial crisis.
McCain’s announcement came after the two candidates held private talks about joining forces to address the Wall Street meltdown. The Obama campaign said the Democrat initiated the talks, but McCain beat Obama to the punch with the first public statement calling for the two to rise above politics in a time of crisis.”
BlueJay,
My father and I have been nothing but nice to you in public.
You have even been to our neighborhood for a cook out.
Just because you are too mean and bitter to dare meet either of us anymore is not proof that you never would have in the past.
Idiot.
“Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain squabbled over a format for their first one-on-one debate in the U.S. presidential race, as both pushed their economic plans amid fresh reports of surging inflation and sagging wages.
Obama on Friday rejected McCain’s proposal for 10 joint town-hall appearances, question-and-answer gatherings before small audiences that the Republican senator tends to favor. The Democrat has performed best at massive, emotional rallies drawing tens of thousands of people.
Obama has offered to meet McCain in five joint appearances between now and the Nov. 4 election, but only one of those would be town hall-style and it would be on the July 4th Independence Day holiday, when few Americans would be watching. McCain called the offer “a very disappointing response.”
McCain had said the more intimate town-hall format would allow real interaction with voters and would be more revealing than formal televised debates. It also would give him free media attention alongside the better-funded Obama.”
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ANTI
Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
Chas, remember to eat a green thing everyday and change your nic link when switching to SquarePeg. You will feel better.
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Naw, Chas is too busy fantasizing he’s a multi-millionaire, flying out on jets and having limousines pick him up.
Sursum,
Thanks for pointing that out.
Dear Cons,
CF2K has REAL work to do today, so thanks to John McCain, this will be quick:
Does John McCain think that Putin will give him a “time out” whenever there’s some “crisis” or other? Or is that McCain can’t multitask? Or is it that his VP pick contradicted his statements on the bailout in an interview? Or is it that he’s lagging in all the polls? Or is it that his debate prep isn’t going well?
You Repuke trash like to bleat about Obama’s lack of “experience.”. I wonder how you all feel about the lack of Presidential TEMPERAMENT that McCain is waving in y’all’s face?
This meltdown would comical if it weren’t happening to a nominated Presidential candidate. It is as pitiful as it is potentially ruinous.
If Americans ever needed proof that John McCain lacks the temperament to be judged as Presidential timber, he just provided it–in spades.
And multi-nic’d Regular is back to posting his usual stupid, irrelevant ad hominems.
Obama supporter and chief debate negotiator Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., told MSNBC that “we can handle both,” when asked about his reaction to McCain’s call to postpone the first debate because of the administration’s bailout plan.
He believes they are making good progress on Capitol Hill on the bailout and his initial reaction is that the work on the Hill should not preclude the debate from taking place.
An Obama campaign official told ABC News the Democratic presidential candidate called McCain this morning to suggest a joint statement of principles.
McCain called back this afternoon and suggested returning to Washington.
Obama is willing to return to Washington “if it would be helpful.” But reiterated Obama intends to debate on Friday
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Big deal. Obama offered to issue a “joint statement of principles” McCain suggests they return to Washington. WHAT A SCANDAL!
Cripes.
CF2K
Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:51 pm
The Muppet poster CF2K honks:
“You Repuke trash like to bleat about Obama’s lack of “experience.”. I wonder how you all feel about the lack of Presidential TEMPERAMENT that McCain is waving in y’all’s face?”
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Sort of like another President we had that had an exceptionally bad temper.
FDR
Nathan snits >>>>
“He wants to postpone, not get out of, this debate and you say he is the one trying to avoid a debate?”
Ummm I didnt say that….
‘McCain seeks to delay debate to focus on economy’
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE2JCSH5p9r2GBkQWS9TWAMzmuvQD93D9CP00
“Republican John McCain said Wednesday he wants to delay Friday’s debate with Democratic rival Barack Obama and temporarily put aside their partisan campaign to resolve the nation’s financial crisis.”
I commented on whoever DID say this… IDIOT…
CF2K,
Seems like that has been all you liberals could offer for the past month. Questions and speculation. No facts.
The truth is that McCain has been trying to debate with Obama since day one. Obama has been the one to only limit himself to these few debates.
I am sure that McCain can do both the debate and work on this at the same time. Only, he is trying to show the importance of this issue and getting it resolved now instead of distracting from it with a debate dealing mainly with foriegn policy and not the economy.
“This meltdown would comical if it weren’t happening to a nominated Presidential candidate. It is as pitiful as it is potentially ruinous.”
Meltdown = returning to Washington to do his damn job as a Senator. That is indeed quite a meltdown.
Chas,
Well, your exact words were:
” it isnt surprising he would want to suspend all electioneering, and weasel out of a debate… ”
Idiot.
But then again, even when you are wrong and confronted with your own words you just do the typical Chas thing and deny it and change the issue and twist your way out of it.
Idiot.
cosmos snorts: “Lindzen also does not have any science to back up his claims”
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Author of over 200 books and scientific papers!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lindzen
The man’s whole life has been dedicated to science!
cosmos, you are an icredibly ignorant fool.
Right Nathan…. And, in case you cant scroll up from that comment, I was MAKING that comment about the previous item that stated McCain wants out of the debate, to “do other stuff” — not to mention McCain also wants to stop all electioneering….
Good grief, these guys are both Senators… they both fly in big airplanes… Go to DC, do their business, and then get on TV, and do the debate… Good lord, the debate is on FRIDAY…. The Senate doesnt meet on weekends very often…. and even if they did meet this weekend, there is plenty of time for both… UNLESS of course McCain cant be prepared to DO both!! LOL
So, where was it that I lied??? Answer: I DIDNT!! BOY!!
Oh yea, somebody should tell McCain that this entire financial boon doggle has a whole LOT to do with Foreign Policy!!!
Maybe he “forgot” about that…. LOL
Chas,
I didn’t call you a liar.
I called you an idiot.
Your characterization of McCain wanting to “weasel out” of the debate was wrong.
He simply wants to postpone it.
Perhaps you did lie about it. I simply think you are an idiot for saying what you did.
Feeling guilty?
Chas-
Obama plans on spending the next three days preparing for the debate. He doesn;t have time to go back to Washington.
Chas-
Obama plans on spending the next three days preparing for the debate. He doesn;t have time to go back to Washington.
Well, damn, L J, let him prepare for the debate on his big plane ride…. That’s what I would tell him…
Nathan…. “weasel” out, or postpone… one and the same…. McCain wants to NOT DO the debate… for whatever assinine reason…. Anything to stall reality for him, I guess….
YOU sir, are the IDIOT…. for trying time after time after time, to pick apart words… that are terribly obvious to a normal every day person…. And even worse, you FAIL miserably at the attempt!!
L J — If by this time in the campaign, neither one of these guys has their acts together re: foreign policy, then maybe both parties need new candidates…. hmmm???
Ah, the Forked Tongue of Chas strikes again! Eh, Chas what are you pulling down a year, for the good Lord?
Chas,
“Weasel out” is not “one and the same” as postpone.
And that is why you are an idiot.
Language is what alows people to communicate. When you are using words incorrectly like you do, how do you ever expect to convey to someone something and a way that they can easily understand?
You love to nitpick the meaning of things when we talk about the Bible.
So you don’t get to act ignorant on the meaning of words when you use them nor indignant when I point it out to you.
Chas-
I have said for some time that neither candidate gets my support. Old newss, son, old news.
I will likely vote for the write in candidate
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“none of the above”
Nathan whines >>>>
“But then again, even when you are wrong and confronted with your own words you just do the typical Chas thing and deny it and change the issue and twist your way out of it.”
Suppose you try showing where I was wrong on this issue…. hmmmm??? Do you project this much often??? Boy???
The “?” Trifecta…Nice Chas, nice.
Chas,
McCain said he wants to delay the debate on Friday.
You say he is trying to “weasel out” of it.
That is how you are wrong.
It is a complete mischaracterization of what McCain said and actually wants to do.
Chas,
A 2nd grader could tear you apart in a discussion.
Hell, at least they would probably understand that “weasel out” is not the same as delay.
Idiot.
Good lord man, you love to brag about how much education you have. Now why don’t you start acting like you are educated as much as you brag?
Now that the debate is actually nigh, McCain is a no-show. Which means that he’s breaking an agreement. And he’s behind in every poll. And his debacle of a VP pick just shot him in the face like she was Cheney.
Spin it however you like. But ask yourselves this, Wingnuts: on the eve of the Civil War, would either Lincoln or Douglas have pulled a stunt like this?
That should give some sense of what a small caliber man America faces in John McCain.
CF2K,
Spin it however we like???
Your entire post is nothing but spin!
Hypocrite.
That should give some sense of what a small caliber man America faces in John McCain.
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Obama: Concentrating on himself.
McCain: Putting off his concerns for the concerns of the nation.
weasel out (of something)
to escape responsibility for something. He used all kinds of excuses to weasel out of paying his bills.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/weasel+out
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postpone
To delay until a future time; put off. See synonyms at defer1.
To place after in importance; subordinate.
[Latin postp?nere : post-, post- + p?nere, to put; see post2.]
postponable post·pon’a·ble adj.
postponement post·pone’ment n.
postponer post·pon’er n.
http://www.answers.com/topic/postpone
Like Barney Franks (currently on the bail out negotiating committee) said, that has to be a record for both foot ball and Hail Mary’s!
Chas,
Brilliant. You can post definitions.
Now, explain in a clear logical manner how “weasel out” is the same as postpone?
They don’t show up as synonyms.
“That should give some sense of what a small caliber man America faces in John McCain.
”
Yeah, he goes back and does his friggin job. Pretty damn small.
I knew it!
Chas would try to twist the definition of “weasal out” to cover up his lie.
He learned that from Bill, what does “is” mean?
Chas did that with Radio-TV, and remember the infamous STFU.
Chas ALSO HAD A PHONY EXCUSE FOR USING ALL CAPS TOO! SOMETHING ABOUT A STROKE OR SOME SIHT LIKE THAT!
Between Chas & Biden, there’s constant comedy around here.
Nathan, what can I say to you?? If you werent being so damned pathetic, it might be pitiful….
You are so damned ignorant of life, I guess, that you have gone to great lengths to “misdirect” this entire matter… and you dont even discuss the MAIN POINT I made upthread!!
Namely, that neiter one of these guys would need to worry about prep time, IF they wouldnt give them the damned questions before the debate!!
McCain is just trying to weasel out of an agreed upon event… he is using the flse pretense of his ohhh soooo much concern for the economic problem, that he cant possibly take time out for the agreed upon debate, on Foreign Policy….
Hmmm… probably because he hasnt figured out yet just how important this economic mess is TO foreign policy….
Now, just how EXACT of a match “weasel out” is with “delay” ??? I dont know if it IS an EXACT match…. BUT, if you try to dig out an “idiomatic” phrase for “postpone” or “delay” I think you will come close to seeing that I am not so wrong as your feeble brain wants me to be…. So there… AI’m not spending any more time on YOUR need for grammar lessons… Try a thesaurus???
Heckler: “Just for your(everyone) FYI- FactCheck.org is unreliable.”
Uh huh. I call bullsh*t, or to put it another way, put up or shut up. Everyone makes mistakes, and Factcheck has made a few (not many), and have corrected themselves. But to characterize them as unreliable? Totally unsupported nonsense.
And when I say put up or shut up? Right wing media analysts like Bozo Bozelle do not count as putting up.
“…not spending any more time on YOUR need for grammar lessons..”-Chas
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HA HA HA!! Seriously, I think I peed a little!
ANTI
Posted September 24, 2008 at 4:15 pm | Permalink
Ah, the Forked Tongue of Chas strikes again! Eh, Chas what are you pulling down a year, for the good Lord?
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Whatever it is he is overpaid.
Chas,
Calling someone a weasel is saying they are sneaky, cowardly or treacherous.
When you say someone is trying to “weasel out” of something that is implying that they are doing it in some sort of sneaky or cowardly manner.
That is why “weasel out” is not the same as simply saying postpone or delay.
It gives motives to the action beyond that which postpone or delay does.
This is just another classic example of Chas being Chas.
Deflect, deny, and never admit any wrong.
Chas,
And when you are the one who thinks that saying “weasel out” is the same as delay or postpone, you are the one who needs to look at the Thesaurus, not me.
Chas is a product of Public Education, and a perfect example of how the Government f*cks up everything it touches.
He loves the attention, but does not want to debate true issues.
I’m done feeding the SOB.
Here — FDR Governor of NY inn 1929… Not even Biden said he was President… However, this IS what happened… Biden is not so dumb as you think he is….
http://www.poliblogger.com/?p=14217
Now, argue it with THESE people… NOT with me!!
After the tongue lashing mccain got from biden today, it was a brilliant move to try and weasal out of the debate. Give the public time to forget, and distract attention to another issue.
But will it work. With his dismal standing in the polls, what does he have to lose.
Remember though, he’ll be pulling these same kind of cheap theatrics as CIC, taking Bold, Uncalculated Risk.
Nathan, I already proved both you and Max are swatting at air… Why ant either one of you bozos just leave it at that??
And GRANNY — You would know truth if it came up behind you and bit you on the ass!!
Why dont you back off too??? I dont give a damn if you idiots dont agree with my Theology one way or another…. HOWEVER, I have been way too nice to you, when all you do is a constant barrage and belittling me and my Profesion just because of the simple TRUTH that there is more to religious faith than your simplistic pomposity that you believe in… And if you REALLY believed in what you SAY you believe in… you would open your blinded eyes, and see who you REALLY ARE!!!
Chas,
When you stop making absurd comments, like saying that “weasel out” is the same thing as postpone and delay, I will stop pointing out such stupidity to you.
Deal?
“John McCain doesn’t understand that medical research benefiting millions shouldn’t be held hostage by the political views of a few.”
. . . from another lying Obamanation ad, denouncing Senator McCain for voting for taxpayer funding for successful, ethical adult stem cell research instead of useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research, which has never cured or successfully treated any human disease or injury, and likely never will, and will be banned entirely if this year’s Republican Party Platform is carried out
[Sounds like much more than just a few of us have become aware of the real truth, unlike Obamanation. In fact, embryonic stem cell research has remained too unstable and risky for human trials after years of taxpayer funding, and is becoming an obsolete, abandoned field.]
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The Senate approved a measure that requires doctors to give expectant mothers more comprehensive information if they receive a positive test for Down syndrome.
The bill is the product of an unusual partnership between pro-life Sen. Sam Brownback and pro-abortion Sen. Edward Kennedy.
[Never, never, never trust a pro-abortion Democrat. Watch what they will do with the taxpayers’ money on this one.]
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“The toughest part of a D&E [dilation and evacuation] abortion is extracting the baby’s head. If you have a really bad day, like I often did, a little face may come out and stare back at you.”
. . . former abortionist quack Anthony Levatino, who stopped committing abortions after his own daughter was killed in a car accident, describing a late-term abortion in Washington, DC last week
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Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
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JMWalker
Posted September 24, 2008 at 2:56 pm | Permalink
Hank,
Ya, I’d like that. XXX bought my .457, but I’m seriously thinking about a sweet .357 I saw:-)
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We got enough guns and ammo, just bring your good eye.
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Which good one . . . they’re both kinda bad:-)
Phantom — Thanks for your words… Now Nathan can attack you too… I need a break… LOL
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gster
Posted September 24, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink
JMWALKER- Does the .454 come with a tripod and sandbags ?
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After shooting 15 or twenty rounds, one would think it should:-) Actually, the lighter rounds kicked more than the heavier ones. Load maybe? Had this big ole boy shoot it. Handed it back and said way to much gun. So XXX picked it up and fired one handed. Me? Two handed, and three if I could find the other one. Can I borrow yours? I promise to give it back:-)
Nathan, if your brain cant function any better than that, you better give your big pop gun back to Daddy —-
What part of “idiomatic phrase” do you not grasp??
I have repeated that now at least twice, plus the definition upthread…. do try to keep up….
Chas,
What part of “weasel out” is not the same thing as delay or postpone do you not grasp?
I have repeated that now at least twice.
Do try to keep up.
Nathan, go pick on Phantom for a while… He just used the same phrase I used… I am tired of your stupid maniacal game that you so love to play… Deflect, deny, accuse, all of your other BS… Go take your meds… your bi-polar is showing….
Chass maybe it isn’t really a stroke. You are showing symptoms of tourettes. This could be serious.
As for making outlandish statements that you can’t back up and then injuring yourself with your wild arm swings – well maybe an antidepressant could calm you down.
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definitions/weasel%20out
weasel out
vb intr, adv
Informal
1 to go back on a commitment
2 to evade a responsibility, esp. in a despicable manner
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The question is which is more important,
1) The small amount of work McCain might accomplish before Friday night, re solving the massive financial crisis? (And note that there are a large # of other people already working on it)
or
2) Honor the commitment, and allow American voters see the candidates debate?
Also, how long will it take to resolve the financial bail-out? How long will the debate be postponed?
Chas,
It is not the mere fact that you used the term “weasele(d) out”
I simply think that is a complete mischaracterization of what he is doing.
It is that you claimed that “weasel out” is the same thing as postpone or delay.
You can’t possibly be this stupid.
Well, look mccain is just sitting around N.Y. waiting for palin to finish her photo shoots, he might as well suspend campaigning, and hope he can goad obama to do the same. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I really think the reason Obama said he is going even though McCain won’t be there is because McCain won’t be there. After all he has spent more days campaigning than he has spent in the senate. Maybe it is because he really doesn’t know what a senator does.
The One refused to do town hall meetings with McCain, The One refused to share the stage at Saddleback and now he wants to debate unopposed. I see a pattern developing here.
Well, Nathan, I cant say much more…. I mean, its not like I am the only one on this Blog who said the same thing I said… YOU challenged me… remember smart boy?? I dont see you backing up anying YOU said…
I stand by what I said… McCain is trying to weasel out of his committment… I am not going to say it again… and you STILL havent dealt with the MAIN POINT I attempted to make, when you started your tantrum!!
So, I dont think you WANT to do anyting except for ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!!! And you do it so poorly too!!!
Sorry, Mr. Putin.
Can you postpone your invasion of central Europe ’til I deal with the Easter Egg Roll and get these kids off my lawn?
They should postpone Friday’s debate just as long as it takes to read “My Pet Goat.”
Granny?? YOUR opinion or whatever you call that crap… is totally worthless as far as I am concerned… You can read upthread what my comment to YOU is… I am not going to waste any more space repeating it!!
And now we move to the stage of Chasisms where he pretends that he never made a claim and wants to move the conversation forward instead of simply admitting he was wrong.
Chas
Posted September 24, 2008 at 4:12 pm | Permalink
“Nathan…. “weasel” out, or postpone… one and the same”
Well said,
‘Lies, Half-Truths and Contradictions: The debate cancellation’
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=30698
“Because the more we learn about McCain’s debate shutdown idea, the more this is starting to smell like a steaming pile of LHC suggested by a dude who’s dropping in the latest polls. Like the poll which gives Sen. Barack Obama a double-digit lead in uh, trustworthiness.
To review: Obama called McCain first to suggest they issue a bi-partisan statement in support of a package to patch up the economy. McCain called back several hours later, agreed, and said he’d like to also suspend the debate and hold meetings in Washington. Obama said let’s just issue the statement first and take it from there.
“When I got back to the hotel, he had gone on television to announce what he was going to do,” Obama said.
That’s hardball, baby.
So now we’re in a political staredown. Some questions:
1. Why did McCain hijack the bi-partisan olive branch and go onto TV first so he could announce his plans to suspend the debate? In his cancel-the-debates statement Wednesday McCain said “Americans across our country lament the fact that partisan divisions in Washington have prevented us from addressing our national challenges.” Well, now we know why.”
More at link.
I had it pointed out to me just yesterday, that you reich wing nuts who keep calling Obama “the One” —- Whether you know it or not, that is an extremist right wing term for “head ni**er” — Argue it all you want… I was informed of that by a Black woman in NY… old friend of mine… Also clergy…
On tonight’s Letterman –
David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.
Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, “Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?”
Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, “You don’t suspend your campaign. This doesn’t smell right. This isn’t the way a tested hero behaves.” And he joked: “I think someone’s putting something in his metamucil.”
“He can’t run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sarah Palin. Where is she?”
“What are you going to do if you’re elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We’ve got a guy like that now!”
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definitions/weasel%20out
weasel out
vb intr, adv
Informal
1 to go back on a commitment
2 to evade a responsibility, esp. in a despicable manner
Chas,
Really? And 99% of the internet community would tell you that STFU means:
Shut the fuc* up.
But it doesn’t stop you from claiming otherwise.
Sigh…
Well, I don’t know why this is such a big issue for Hank.
He seems to feel the need to feel I have actively sought friendly social interaction with him. I guess I should be flattered in a creepy sorta way. Whether this be for his own ego or to defame me.
But I do want the record clear.
“” I was at the edge of the round pen speaking with our mutual memory challenged friend, XXX ”
Not when you called out to me you weren’t. You were in the center of the ring having your dog chase goats. You must have met X before I got there because I never saw him talking to you. I certainly was not seeking your attention.
“Next time you come over to talk to me”
With the possible exception of the first meetup, I never have. Anybody at the second Eagle meetup knows I made no effort to associate with you.
And I’ve got my own ideas for my torch, thanks.
I find it unlikely we will find ourselves in the same place at the same time again. And I’m perfectly happy with that. I’d go outta my way for it even. But if we do? The sign is out now.
That outta the way…
I bet McCain is trying to fudge the debate to save lil Sarah.
My guess is he wants to move the scheduled debate to the VP debate forum and spare lil Sarah the confrontation with Joe Biden. GOOD on Obama for not biting on this one. This could well finish McCain as it appears he is not ready for a debate he knew about weeks in advance.
Monkeyhawk posted September 24, 2008 at 6:02 pm
-On tonight’s Letterman –
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LOL! That’s a must see show.
My friend said that “the One” is a Code word for Obama, and what the far right is using it as a means of showing their hatred that a Black man could well be our next President… She also told me that “Obamanation” is another Code word, for Obama plantation… see above for “head ni**er”
I guess all of you using those terms are eiter ignorant of their significance, or, you are a part of that extremist right wing group of Code word Racists…
If the use of those derogatory terms persist, then I guess we will all know…
If they cease, then I guess we will all know that too…
I hope they cease….
“You have even been to our neighborhood for a cook out.
Just because you are too mean and bitter to dare meet either of us anymore is not proof that you never would have in the past.”
Uh yeah Nathan, there were other posters there I DID want to see. Especially Rage who was about to move out of town.
WTF, Nathan??? If I disagree with you, that makes me WRONG??? You need to grow up, Boy!!! The world and all its charms does not revolve around pretty boy Nathan!!
Get over it!!
Since McCain has “weaseled out” of the Friday debate, will he provide a detailed list of what he does the next 50+ hours?
Yeah I’ll have to catch Dave this evening.
This is some real screwy stuff McCain is doing. No matter how he spins it, it is not gonna look good because he played at working with Obama and then sandbagged him with the sudden announcement. Maybe he really is bonkers, like George Will says.
Oh and I’m not mean or bitter either.
That is why I don’t hang out with cons. I don’t wanna catch it from them!
Chas,
Besides your “friend” as a source, do you have anything else to show that “The one” is really a racist code word?
Because I have a “friend” who says that you are no Christian and that anyone with your attitude shouldn’t be in the ministry.
At least that is what my “friend” tells me. And since we are going with anecdotal evidence, my “friend” must be right.
Chas,
The mere act of being in disagreement doesn’t make you wrong.
Making the claim that “weasel out” is the same thing as postpone is what makes you wrong.
1. Why did McCain hijack the bi-partisan olive branch and go onto TV first so he could announce his plans to suspend the debate?
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For the simple reason it would then delay the vice-presidential debate, thus saving Palin from embarrassing herself on TV. The vice-presidential debate could then be held Nov. 5th.
‘McCain’s debate stunt‘
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/09/24/mccains_debate_stunt/
Look –
Neither Obama nor John S (for Senile) McCain the Third (for Shrub’s 3rd term) are the economic “experts.”
The economic “experts” are the people who got us into this mess, or who warned us this was gonna happen (and there have been plenty of ‘em).
What the Friday debate would show us is how a President Obama or a President McCoot would deal with advisors, staff, and consultants to create strategies and tactics to deal with the long-predicted consequences of the Republic Party’s gospel according to Ronnie Reagan: “Government is the problem.”
If McCodger had anything to bring to the table, he’d rush to the opportunity to sit down and face the guy he thinks isn’t qualified and tell Obama how the problem needs to be solved.
BTW, Nathan, how manyh times do you need to be told on this Blog, that YOU dont have any RIGHT to say who is and who is not a Christian….
I do think that would extend to your posting what your “friend” might think as well….
So, you might want to knock off your non christian BS before you dig in any deeper!!
Frankly, I am SICK of your attitudes… And something tells me, I am not alone!!
“If McCodger had anything to bring to the table, he’d rush to the opportunity to sit down and face the guy he thinks isn’t qualified and tell Obama how the problem needs to be solved.”
Yeah, you are right. He has been doing so for some time now:
New York Mayor, ABC News Invite Obama, McCain to Historic Town Hall
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5021604&page=1
“The McCain campaign released a letter they sent to Obama asking for 10 debates — one a week starting on June 12 — that will lead up to the Democratic National Convention at the end of August. “
McCain renews town-hall debate challenge to Obama
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usmcca135725219jun13,0,604895.story
“Republican presidential hopeful John McCain renewed his challenge for Democratic candidate Barack Obama to join him in a series of town-hall-style debates yesterday, then headed to Manhattan for the first of the events that Obama had declined to attend.”
McCain Challenges Obama to 10 Town Hall Meetings
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/04/mccain_challenges_obama_to_10.html?hpid=topnews
“Republican Sen. John McCain challenged his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama, to a series of 10 joint town hall meetings, starting next week in New York City, and said the American people deserve “a new tenor” in its presidential campaigns.”
Debates: Obama Agrees To Three, McCain Wants More
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/03/debates-obama-agrees-to-t_n_116601.html
“WASHINGTON — Democratic candidate Barack Obama on Saturday backed away from rival John McCain’s challenge for a series of joint appearances, agreeing only to the standard three debates in the fall.”
Nathaniel posted September 24, 2008 at 6:27 pm
“Besides your “friend” as a source, do you have anything else to show that “The one” is really a racist code word?”
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http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/westmoreland-calls-obama-uppity-2008-09-04.html
“Political consultant David Gergen, who has worked in both Republican and Democratic White Houses, said on ABC’s “This Week” that “As a native of the south, I can tell you, when you see this Charlton Heston ad, ‘The One,’ that’s code for, ‘He’s uppity, he ought to stay in his place.’ Everybody gets that who is from a Southern background.” “
I’ve seen a lot of political stunts AND blunders.
THIS one with McCain is…..bizarre.
Word from the debate commission is the debate goes on.
McCain almost HAS to play wounded would be hero and show up. But even that won’t reverse the perception that he is….acting strangely.
Chas,
Apparently you seem to think that what a “friend” says must be true and proof enough.
I was merely relaying the truth my “friend” told me.
I don’t want to start this stuff up with you. This is what my “friend” has told me and so it must be true. Just like how “The one” is a racist code word.
Right?
Nathaniel posted September 24, 2008 at 6:52 pm
“WASHINGTON — Democratic candidate Barack Obama on Saturday backed away from rival John McCain’s challenge for a series of joint appearances, agreeing only to the standard three debates in the fall.”
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And McCain has weaseled out of the 1st of the standard three debates.
Yeah, MonkeyHawk! Obama is all about debating…
Obama refuses McCain debate challenge
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1215331173897
“Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Saturday backed away from rival John McCain’s challenge for a series of joint appearances, agreeing only to the standard three debates in the fall.”
Nathaniel posted September 24, 2008 at 6:56 pm
“This is what my “friend” has told me and so it must be true. Just like how “The one” is a racist code word.
Right?”
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http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/westmoreland-calls-obama-uppity-2008-09-04.html
“Political consultant David Gergen, who has worked in both Republican and Democratic White Houses, said on ABC’s “This Week” that “As a native of the south, I can tell you, when you see this Charlton Heston ad, ‘The One,’ that’s code for, ‘He’s uppity, he ought to stay in his place.’ Everybody gets that who is from a Southern background.” “
JM I think you are looking at this in the wrong way. I have seen Palin in action and she would frustrate Biden just as she did Charlie. He looked foolish in his attempt to trip her up.
Biden says dumb things everyday. What makes you think he would be different in a debate. I am looking forward to both debates.
Cosmos,
Why is Obama so scared to face McCain in more than the 3 standard debates?
When McCain has been trying to debate Obama MORE than the 3 standard debates, isn’t that obviously proof that he has not been nor is now trying to “weasel out” of a debate?
Really? And 99% of the internet community would tell you that STFU means:
Shut the fuc* up.
But it doesn’t stop you from claiming otherwise.
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If you are going to make allegaions, at leas get it right…. I never argued what STFU means on the internet, or in the rest of the world…. I DID say what it meant in my — MY — Pennsylvania Dutch family…
But, Nathan, that doesnt stop YOU and your LYING SOB friends here from twisting it to fit your own Warped little minds for whatever crazy reason…
You can dig all you want, and you wont find my ONE TIME disagreeing with the general meaning of STFU….
But, do try…. at least it will keep you busy with something…. LOL
“The Obama campaign, asked about the quote, did not note any racial context.”
HUH!?
“My lying SOB friends?”
Wait just one minute now. What a “friend” says is considered truth around here.
As long as a “friend” says something, it must be true.
“I can tell you however, why I am now experiencing the Wrath of the Obamanoids (a race that lives on a planet in the same star system as the Pelosians, themselves a rather repugnant lot).”
“February 21, 2007
Obamination
By Erik Rush
How many Americans would vote for a presidential candidate who was the member of a church that professed the following credo?
Commitment to God
Commitment to the White Community
Commitment to the White Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the White Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
The question is rhetorical, of course. The answer is that such a candidate wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected dog catcher (apologies to America’s animal rescue and public safety personnel) let alone President, because that candidate would be instantly branded a racist, among the most vile and frightening of white supremacists.
And those holding the branding irons would be 100% right.”
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The source of the word “Obomination”. For those not famillar with Erik Rush he is a black journalist and was the one to coin the word.
Chass you and your friend must have attended the same seminary. I would ask for a refund.
Chas,
So you knew that most everyone here, except for you, understood that STFU means:
shut the fuc* up
And you still used it anyway?
Only later, when someone pointed out that you, a Christian in the ministry, shouldn’t be using such language, did you try to say it meant “Stand the floor up.”
Why would you use a term like that and not explain yourself first when you are now claiming that you knew what most people would think it meant?
When McCain has been trying to debate Obama MORE than the 3 standard debates, isn’t that obviously proof that he has not been nor is now trying to “weasel out” of a debate?
Obama’s having a hard time to get mccain to the first one, never mind three!
I think this is the end for McCain Palin.
It’s probably a good thing. I saw McCain’s announcement. He kept looking off to the side while he was speaking.
A clear hint of lying.
I think this is a stunt. It is backfiring all over the place. It won’t stop even after the Letterman bit tonight!
I actually have relatives in the Penn. Dutch community and when I asked them what those initials meant. They didn’t have a clue. Never heard it before. Of course with the major influence of the Amish and Mennonite communities there those words wouldn’t be in there vernacular.
You must have been hanging out with a lower class of people.
Where’s Obama? McCain asks
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/14/america/mccain.php
“I’ve asked Senator Obama to join me in town halls across the nation,”
Bluejay if you write this often enough do you start to believe it. Of course Chass could use it to bolster one of his dumb statements.
I am sure you are related. You should do a family tree. Your minds run in the same channels.
WOW just 9 days ago the fundamentals of the American economy were in great shape according to McCain.
NOW it is SO bad he has to rush to DC to save the economy?
“Nathaniel” –
Just who is trying to avoid Friday night’s debate?
Whatever options were negotiated last spring, the agreement was for the first debate to take place Friday night.
I don’t expect either candidate to come up with a silver bullet that’ll solve the Wall Street meltdown off the cuff.
But I can’t imagine a downside for the American people observing the two candidates, across from each other at the same table, sharing their thought processes, their decision-making methodologies, their approaches to governing the nation through a crisis.
Tell me how that’s bad for the republic.
Chas,
How about this?
The other day I was talking to my friend.
He told me that in order to be saved one must have faith in Christ.
Must be true, right? My friend says so.
Heh
Keith Olberman will be filling in on the slot McCain bailed out of on Letterman’s show.
MonkeyHawk,
I don’t think a debate is bad at all.
Why is having a series of debates with the public involved bad for the country? Why are you not just as upset that Obama has refused to debate more than just the 3 standard debates?
“this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for.”
From a June speeck of Obama. He goes on to say he is the one America and the world have been waiting on.
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He earned the title Chass. Why would you take it away.
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My friends told me that when a person call you granny when you kindly asked them not to that it hints at mental derangement.
So Chass you just do what you need to do. We know you can’t help it.
BTW Chass I forgot to mention that I ran into SFReader last night. He was having dinner with Sugar and SquarePeg. They sent you their best and told me you were all very good friends.
Have you seen the movie Sybil?
Nathaniel posted September 24, 2008 at 7:00 pm
“Cosmos,
Why is Obama so scared to face McCain in more than the 3 standard debates?”
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Where is your proof that he was “scared”? From your own links, Obama’s campaign had multiple valid reasons not to take McCain’s offer.
Since Obama is now ahead in polls, they seem to have made the right choice.
Plus, the past does not change the fact that McCain weaseled out of the Friday debate.
BlueJay
Posted September 24, 2008 at 7:21 pm | Permalink
Heh
Keith Olberman will be filling in on the slot McCain bailed out of on Letterman’s show.
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After his demotion at MSNBC I’m sure he needed the gig.
Granny says >>>>
“From a June speeck of Obama. He goes on to say he is the one America and the world have been waiting on.”
Granny that is another LIE… I already called you out on that one last week… You even admitted Obama never said that…
WTF is WRONG with you, you old witch??? Got memory problems???
BTW, Obama said, “We are who We have been waiting for…” speaking to ALL Americans…. THAT is the quote that you are bastardizing…. So STOP LYING — GRANNY!!
Oh yea, Keith Olberman is a great American!!
heh HEH!
Oh this is the day that keeps on giving!
Olberman has found tape of Sarah Palin’s pastor laying hands on her.
To protect her from witches!
Cosmos,
I agree. Where is your proof that McCain “weaseled out” of Friday’s debate?
McCain has given multiple valid reasons for why he wants to postpone it, not have it at all.
Besides, if political advantages are reason for Obama not to do it then how can you liberals turn around and say that McCain is wrong even if he is doing this for purely political reasons?
HEH HEH
“In the name of Jesus bring her the wealth she needs.
In the name of Jesus! In the name of Jesus!”
Dang gotta find a link to that vid!
BlueJay,
The mere fact that she is a Christian is enough for you and others to mock her.
Lord forbid she is blessed by her minister…
The intolerance and stupidity of you liberals is too much.
Earlier you post a story about how accepting your son is of a bi-sexual kid he knows. Now you mock and make fun of others simply for what they believe?
What a two faced hypocrite you are.
So what BJ? You make fun of religion and religious observations by people of faith.
And that is adult humor?
“Lord forbid she is blessed by her minister”
You need to check out her minister…he makes Obama’s look like Billy Graham!
But, Mary, he exposed that witch!
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Posted September 24, 2008 at 7:00 pm | Permalink
JM I think you are looking at this in the wrong way. I have seen Palin in action and she would frustrate Biden just as she did Charlie. He looked foolish in his attempt to trip her up.
Biden says dumb things everyday. What makes you think he would be different in a debate. I am looking forward to both debates.
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She’s no dummy, but I think Biden, who can debate with anybody, regardless of his “gaffs”, would have her running for cover. It will be fun to watch either way.
If she’s as frustrating to the press as you say because she’s smart…then why is all her media exposure so scripted? I’d like to see her interviewed by real journalists. You know damn well she’s getting a crash course in what she can and can’t say to the media by McCain’s campaign managers as we speak.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/24/42457/9114/809/608384
YIKES! That pastors voice would MAKE people roll around on the floor.
Excuse me Nathan. But it is YOU who routinely attacks Chas in his faith. I am sure you weighed in heavily as well as to Obama’s pastor. So no free passes here.
Palin’s church is WAY over the line of separation of church and state. They should lose their tax exemption.
BlueJay,
I disagree with what Chas believes. I do not make fun of him or ridicule him, just because, like you do to others.
It is MonkeyHawk, Apophis, CapnAmerica, Chas, Maggotpunk, You, Mary, and others who simply make fun of and mock Christians for what they believe.
Mary,
After Bidens spree of gaffe’s I am sure he is having the same thing done to him as well.
Mary don’t you think Charles Gibson is a real journalist?
Not only did he expose that old lady “witch”, he gathered an angry mob to drive her out of her hometown…and he still brags about it in his sermons.
Well I for one had backed off of it Nathan.
But you and the cons made Obama’s pastor and Chas’s faith an issue.
Too, folks of your brand of faith want to make rules over the rest of us. These things make your faith a fair target.
Charles Gibson is very soft ball…not a serious journalist as he is a news show host.
I hate what the right wing fundamentalists have done to the image of Christianity and the hyprocrisy of it all. I don’t hate Christians, Nathan…I hate hypocrites…and unfortunately today it seems like there are more hypocritical Christians than Christians who actually live their faith.
I’m sick of watching fundamentalists use the Bible as a weapon of hatred, intolerance, and control.
Chass you are quick to call others liars but slow to admit when you are wrong. You and I have never had a conversation about this that I remember. Why don’t you show me where that happened.
What about the crap you said about Obomination. This was a word coined by a black journalist and you call us rascist for using it. Does this seem a little convuluted even for you?
Are you in therapy for the stroke after affects? That little finger is hitting the caps key alot.
Chas
“Posted April 24, 2008 at 6:00 pm | Permalink
Nathan, be certain, the contacts have been made. I have no more to do with the time line beyond that. The time line is in the hands of the Chief of Chaplains. Nuff said!!”
I must say, it has been a good long time, and Chas/Square Peg have yet to contact anyone.
So Chas is a nic switching liar just like his buddy JR/JR/BJ:
That’s where you’re wrong.
I confessed to the only two posts I did as JM.
I posted yesterday only a few times during the day and only was on for an hour or so last night.
I don’t play with identities. Sometime, I’ll tell you why.
Posted by: J R | November 07, 2007 at 09:51 PM
Would it even occur to a Christian fundamentalist to be kind and empathetic? Did Jesus spew personal put downs and call people demeaning names and when he ran up against someone who didn’t agree with his view of the world?
If it is your wish to live your life like Jesus…then why do you act the way you do?
And we all remember the wonderful post made trying to connect a dead persons obituary to being a Regular relative.
And you can ever forget: STFU!!!!! By Mr. Cap Locks himself Reverend Chasssssssssssssssss/Square Peg.
Never forget:
Save The Free Unicorns
Or did Chas say STFU means:
Smell The Fancy Uniforms?
Chas is a liar.
Just as Obama claims to be THE ONE,
so Chas claims to be a preacher.
Share The French Umbrella?
Shine The Fancy Urn?
Start To Feel Unfallible?
Sing To Free Us?
WOW you looked a long way for that one Hank.
As the post indicates, this was a strategy for dealing with the most problematic poster this forum has.
He was originally “JM”, not to be confused with J M Walker.
At that time, there was a strategy of using his own nic switching against him.
Next?
Mary these are good buzz words but where do you see Christians do the things you say you witness? I work with lots of Christians who are the most charitable I know. They work hard. Donate goods and money. Don’t sit in judgement over others. I never meet the ones you talk about.
Mary,
The problem is that no one is perfect. You don’t simply “hate” Christian hypocrites either.
You have routinely mocked what Christians believe, make fun of us, make fun of my beliefs, and you spare little opportunity to mock other Christians as well.
For you there is no such thing as a Christian who isn’t a hypocrite no matter how perfect they are.
this was a strategy,,,
BlueJay is a liar. A nic switcher no different than any other.
No, the ends do NOT justify the means.
In no case in no circumstance. If you rationalize that for yourself and your inappropriate actions, well you are no different than Bush.
Liar.
I saw a link claiming that Sara Palin has shot over 40 karabu in one day of hunting, she shot wolves from a helicopter, she had an affair with her husband’s business partner, her infant son is really her daughter’s, she tried to get the local librarian fird (oh wait, that’s true) blah, blah, blah….If I was stupid like many of the right wingers on this blog..I’d believe it all…hook, line and sinker.
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Mary_Caruso
Posted September 24, 2008 at 9:43 pm | Permalink
I saw a link claiming that Sara Palin has shot over 40 karabu in one day of hunting, she shot wolves from a helicopter, she had an affair with her husband’s business partner, her infant son is really her daughter’s, she tried to get the local librarian fird (oh wait, that’s true) blah, blah, blah….If I was stupid like many of the right wingers on this blog..I’d believe it all…hook, line and sinker.
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Actually you would be Political Mama, BlueJay, or Chas.
How have I ever made fun of what you believe, Nathan? That’s more your sytle, not mine.
I hate the arrogance, lack of humility, rigidity, and black and white thinking of today’s typical Christian fundamentalist. Your example is nothing that reflects the values that Jesus lived.
“BlueJay is a liar.”
Catch me in one Hank.
no matter how perfect they are.
Now wait just a dern minute here! I’m a pretty perfect person. Personally I think I’m probably as perfect a person as a pretty perfect person can be. But no perfecter.
I once met a man who thought he was more perfect than my pretty perfect person. Probably put perfect persons in a perfectly good place post haste.
“we deceive ourselves, the truth is not in us.”
Already done did that BlueJay. Now go save the world with your hand me down PC.
I’m reminded of an old television commercial.
Scene: upstairs bedroom 20 something year old man
“Son, what are you doing up there?”
“Nothin’ mom! Just getting some air!”
Scene closes as BlueJay opens a window and fans out the dope smell.
“For you there is no such thing as a Christian who isn’t a hypocrite no matter how perfect they are.”
I know what a good Christian is, Nathan…and it ain’t you.
Oh now I know who chaplain is. Duh. that should had been a given.
Unless (and until) Palin is allowed or able to answer questions like every other candidate, why shouldn’t rumors be believed? They’re all asking to be hired and every one of them except Palin expects to let the voters doing the hiring know who they are, what they think, what their opinion is. She applies for a job and doesn’t need to fill out the application or be interviewed by human resources and the manager of the department (at least!).
Guess we’ll need to go on hearsay.
A real Christian is someone who lives the values that Jesus taught…not someone who uses religion as a facade to feel smug, superior, and use their beliefs as a weapon to declare whether or not others are going to heaven or hell.
Good point, Linda….why is she staying (or being kept) away from the scrutiny of the press?
Good nite all.
Mary,
You don’t believe in Jesus.
You don’t believe what most Christians believe.
You don’t believe what the Bible says.
Yet you sit here professing to know what a good Christian is? Judge me as not being one? And Judge that my life is not a reflection of Jesus values?
How much more absurd can you possibly be?
And the sad irony is that as you make those pronouncements against me as you speak of arrogance?
Nathaniel posted September 24, 2008 at 7:55 pm
“Cosmos,
I agree. Where is your proof that McCain “weaseled out” of Friday’s debate?
McCain has given multiple valid reasons for why he wants to postpone it, not have it at all.
Besides, if political advantages are reason for Obama not to do it then how can you liberals turn around and say that McCain is wrong even if he is doing this for purely political reasons?”
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Nathaniel, you really can’t understand the differences?
You can’t “weasel out” of a commitment that you have NOT made.
Obama turned down some additional debates that McCain suggested. Obama did not weasel out of a debate that he had agreed to, and was planned long ago.
And what are McCain’s “multiple valid reasons”? McCain can’t multi-task? Will a big photo-op that interupts work on the bailout do anything useful?
Thank you Mary, the Christian hater and routine Christian basher, for telling me what a “real” Christian is.
While you denounce others for doing the same thing.
Idiot.
“I’m a pretty perfect person”
Well that sounds an awful lot like another take on, “I’m a wonderful guy!”
Repeated like 4 times by HLP aka Hank Price earlier today.
BlueJay sings…
Oh Lord it’s hard to be humble
When his wife is paying his way.
Linda,
We have been proving those rumors wrong as you liberals keep spewing them.
It is like a game of wack-a-mole.
And you sit here acting like no one has said a thing?
Something tells me you wouldn’t believe Palin even if she did answer the questions. Especially if you are too ignorant to see that they have already been answered and addressed.
Palin has given two interviews that I know of so far. Gibson and Hannity.
Exactly what questions do you want answered that she has not already?
Did you even listen to the Hannity interview?
“Did you even listen to the Hannity interview?”
I did. I watched it as well.
That was no interview. It was a love in.
“Exactly what questions do you want answered that she has not already?”
WHY did she ask several times about removing books from the library?
She just has another interview with Couric tonight too!
She was also interviewed by the perky Katie Couric. And you know how the perky Katie hates Republicans.
It played today on CBS News. I guess if you are busy whining about lack of Palin interviews, you miss them.
BlueJay,
That question has been asked and answered:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/mccain-camp-defends-palin-book-banning-inquiry/
“Taylor Griffin, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said Thursday that Palin asked the head librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, on three occasions how she would react to attempts at banning books. He said the questions, in the fall of 1996, were hypothetical and entirely appropriate. He said a patron had asked the library to remove a title the year before and the mayor wanted to understand how such disputes were handled.”
You liberals are so busy making up crap and spreading rumors that you don’t even stop to see that they have been addressed.
I’m fine with the rumors. She can hide as long as she or her handlers feel is best. If she can’t take the impromptu questions of Americans and the media she should be protected. A person asking for a job either answers all questions asked by anyone and everyone doing the hiring or they don’t. All is well.
“That question has been asked and answered:”
Oh I agree it has been many times asked.
It has also been many ways answered.
THIS is their latest best effort?
“He said a patron had asked the library to remove a title the year before and the mayor wanted to understand how such disputes were handled.”
She asked the librarian three times about removing books.
She is an extreeeeemely slow learner maybe?
““Taylor Griffin, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, ”
I don’t want an answer from a spin meister.
I want Sarah Palin to answer.
WHY would she ask about removing books from the library?
‘McCain Camp Lawyer Illegally Advising In Alaska; Palin Attorney General In Hiding‘
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donald-craig-mitchell/mccain-camp-lawyer-illega_b_128663.html
“The pickle O’Callaghan’s wagging tongue has gotten its owner into is that, pursuant to Alaska Statute 8.08.230, a person who is not a member of the Alaska Bar who while physically present in Alaska “engages in the practice of law” is guilty of a class A misdemeanor. And in Alaska the “practice of law” includes “rendering legal consultation or advice.”
It would be interesting to know what John McCain thinks about having a criminal serving on his legal team. It also would be interesting to know whether Talis Colberg, Sarah Palin’s attorney general, intends to prosecute O’Callaghan. And if he doesn’t, why not?”
Lets see…
An interview with Gibson, Hannity, and now Couric.
How the hell is that hiding?
Of course you are fine with the rumors Linda. Why would you bother yourself with the truth?
BlueJay,
The question was answered. Besides, what does it matter?
All the crap that is going on and you are worried about why as Mayor Palin asked the librarian about banning books?
Only the most left wing idiots like you are concerned about such stupidity.
Ok I am sitting here watching the news on Channel 12 and almost laughed myself silly. Those people that live out West are complaining about the flooding. They want to know what Wichita is gonna do about it. LOL Sorry I don’t feel sorry for people that don’t do a little bit of research. It would have helped if you hadn’t bought out there. It’s a freaking flood plane. If you had done your research BEFORE you bought anything out there you might have used more common sense and NOT bought a home that is built out there. Accept responsibility for your actions and either build up around your home or MOVE but stop expecting everyone to help you when you made the decision to buy or move out there.
You can even go to factcheck and snopes to see the answers to these rumors.
My goodness, the answers are there.
Oh I wouldn’t embrace the waving away of books so willingly if I were you Nathan.
Progressive liberals like me have MANY books.
Cons like you and Sarah Palin embrace few books. Maybe even only one.
Now, if Sarah Palin can attempt executive power at making some books SHE does not like go away?
Where does that leave her, and YOU if my side of things exercises that same sort of power?
HANNITY: Let me ask you this, because there have been a number of controversies. I’ll let you give a quick reaction to them. That have as the 30 mini army of reporters and op research people in the Obama campaign. Did you ban books in the Alaska library? Did you try to ban books in the Alaska library? In the Wasilla Library?
PALIN: No. But I got a kick out of that one also. Yes, no. No banned books. No desire to ban a book. That list of banned books, though, that we saw there that included “Harry Potter,” which, of course, had not even been written or published before I was in there. To be accused of banning books, no.
HANNITY: It’s false.
PALIN: False.
BlueJay,
You said you wanted to hear Palin and you said you watched the interview.
Did you miss that part?
Nathaniel posted September 24, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Lets see…
An interview with Gibson, Hannity, and now Couric.
How the hell is that hiding?
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How about Palin answering questions from the usual groups of reporters, instead of smiling and leaving.
“WHY did she ask several times about removing books from the library?”
-We have an official response from the McCain/Palin campaign.
-Both snopes and factcheck address the issue.
-Hannity asked her about the subject in his interview.
How many different sources of information do you need before you will stop believing a bunch of dumb rumors?
Hey, it’s her (or her handlers) strategy. We’re still doing the hiring. We still look at each of those applying. All the rest of the applicants are willing to answer all questions. In fact, they know that is FREE time to get themselves, their opinions, their platforms, plans in front of those doing the hiring vs paying through the wazoo.
What would Barr and Nader give to be asked (ANYTHING BY ANYONE!) and have the opportunity to answer on national television?
Nathan I am not stupid.
I KNOW Sarah Palin banned no books. That dodge does not work with me.
She DID ask the librarian SEVERAL times about removing books from the library.
Why?
MY take is the only reason Sarah Palin did NOT ban books is because the librarian stood up to her. This is consistent with real life.
A bully stood up to can usually be defeated.
BlueJay,
And there is nothing to substantiate that conclusion except your own twisted mind.
“No desire to ban a book.”
She has answered your question.
You can say you don’t believe her, but why?
Why don’t you believe her? What is it that goes on in that mind of yours that wants to create something that doesn’t exist?
Linda why should Palin be questioned about her family, her kids, her affairs or lack of them. She is running for vp. Why will it help you know her qualifications to ask these questions. Just buy a national enquirer. They have all of those answers.
She should answer questions pertaining to the job and her qualifications.
She has interviewed with Gibson and Hannity. Who has Biden interviewed with. Does anyone here see a double standard?
Just think. IF Palin were capable of campaigning on her own McCain could have been senatorial and his campaign could have gone on. All that it would take is her stepping up to the plate. Obama and his running mate are both Senators. Luckily, they are both capable of doing more than one thing at a time.
But Nathan?
Pretty boy shill for Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes Sean Hannity did NOT ask lil Sarah the real question.
WHY did she ask about banning books on multiple occasions?
Palin didn’t ban any books because the librarian stood up to her.
Is she incapable of saying something on the line of, “That question has nothing to do with my qualifications for the office.” Or whatever her words would be on whatever she thought wasn’t a question that deserved an answer. Every other candidate takes ALL questions.
Linda,
So it is not that you don’t have answers to your questions that bothers you. It is that she is not talking to reporters.
Ok, I agree. I don’t understand why they don’t let her run around and talk either.
I highly doubt that it is her choice or her strategy. You have not seen this from her during her time in Alaskan politics.
I am pretty sure it will change, hopefully soon.
Just don’t pretend like these stupid rumors you liberals are pushing have not been addressed and answered when they have been though.
“Palin didn’t ban any books because the librarian stood up to her.”
And your proof of this is?
That is not what the librarian has said.
That is not what Palin has said.
Besides pulling that statement out of your ass, do you have any proof?
“No desire to ban a book.”
Then WHY did she ask about it Nathan?
“WHY did she ask about banning books on multiple occasions?”
“Taylor Griffin, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said Thursday that Palin asked the head librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, on three occasions how she would react to attempts at banning books. He said the questions, in the fall of 1996, were hypothetical and entirely appropriate. He said a patron had asked the library to remove a title the year before and the mayor wanted to understand how such disputes were handled.”
Nathan?
Is it ok with you if I take your wallet?
No.
However,
I would love to see you try. Please.
Second and third call Nathan.
Would you be ok with me taking your wallet?
I mean should I feel the need to do so?
A rumor without a leg to stand on will get around some other way. ~John Tudor
There are a terrible lot of lies going about the world, and the worst of it is that half of them are true. ~Winston Churchill
This one, who I don’t know who deserves the credit, fits the Sarah Palin phenom best:
“I’ve discovered that the less I say, the more rumors I start.”
No. I am perfectly ok with you trying to though.
With your sttitude towards my family and I, I figured you already felt the need to do so.
PS The sad thing is that in the end, this line of reasoning you are using will only prove you wrong, even though in some wierd way I think you actually think you are proving something…
NOW you know Nathan, where that librarian who stood down Sarah Palin was coming from.
Except? I don’t think that librarian would like the invite to shoot Palin as you would welcome the chance to kill me.
“I’ve discovered that the less I say, the more rumors I start.”
I can only say that small minded people like BJ who has beaten that library rumor into the ground will find something to start rumors about. It is a personalty flaw I think. Rumors are started. They are proven false. They are started again. Disproved again and still BJ treats them as if they came out today and no one has heard anything about them before.
That is a sign of a small mind.
BlueJay,
I don’t know anything.
We do not know what questions were asked, how they were asked, or what was exactly said.
There are several possiblities and the facts we do have do not point to the questions being anywhere near as basic or aggressive as yours.
Nice try though.
And I don’t want to kill you. I would welcome the opportunity to use some manipulations though.
Dif is Nathan?
YOU would only be protecting your money.
That librarian that stood up to Palin was protecting free and uncensored speech.
BlueJay
Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:07 pm | Permalink
NOW you know Nathan, where that librarian who stood down Sarah Palin was coming from.
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BJ I have read ad nauseam the librarians statement over and over. No where does she say she ’stood Sarah Palin down’. She says the question was asked and answered. No harm no foul. You always make these absurd statements that only make you look foolish.
Just like that statement you attributed to your son this morning. It made him look stupid if he indeed said it. What kind of child are you raising that feels the need to label people. Your small mindedness is playing with his mind.
BlueJay,
Protecting my money? No. Enjoying watching you flop around as you tried to take my wallet.
Again, where is your proof that the librarian “stood up to Palin?”
Where is your proof that the librarian was “protecting free and uncensored speech?”
Well okie is calling me names.
Again.
And Nathaniel is unintentionally honest.
“BlueJay,
I don’t know anything.”
Of course you don’t. Because your VP candidate is not talking.
SHE is letting YOU do the talking for her.
Don’t you feel a little used?
“And I don’t want to kill you. I would welcome the opportunity to use some manipulations though.”
Well that’s rather chilling. And I think it explains why no one I know wants to meet you or see you again.
Michael is a patriot who acts:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccain-camp-whacks-and-mi_n_128856.html
“What kind of child are you raising that feels the need to label people.”
My son does not label people.
Well except cons. I am doing my best to make him see the enemy.
My post that you reference okie, referenced a young woman who is my son’s friend and proud to share who she is. I am very proud that my son has such a friend.
And Nathan asks….
“Where is your proof that the librarian was “protecting free and uncensored speech?”
The librarian resisted Sarah Palin. Even to the point of losing her job.
Sheesh it pains me that I share a country with such limited thinking idiots.
BlueJay,
She has answered this already. The campaign has addressed it. The facts of the matter are on both factcheck and snopes.
And still you choose to speculate and promote things you can’t prove and which are not true.
You are an idiot.
Don’t try to take my wallet. I won’t do anything to you. It was a Hypothetical exercise was it not?
Or were you seriously wanting to take my wallet?
BlueJay,
It has already been addressed that the librarian being fired had nothing to do with banning books. It was because of her support for Palins opponent in the election.
After the public showed outrage and the librarian assured Palin that she would support her, Palin changed her mind.
Had nothing to do with banning books. Yet here you are still pushing that lie.
Media Advisory
Date: September 23, 2008
Contact: Angela Cato, Water Utilities
E-mail: ACato@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 268-4506
The City of Wichita is asking media outlets to help alert homeowners about benefits and possible criminal activity related to an ongoing project to install new high-tech water meters.
The benefits are that the new high-tech water meters – or Automatic Meter Reading (AMR) – reduce the need to access customers’ yards and improve meter reading accuracy. The new meters, which are being phased in, also reduce Water Utilities’ operational costs, particularly related to staffing and vehicles. The new meters use low-power radio frequency to transmit customers’ monthly water-usage information to mobile collection devices operated by meter readers from City vehicles. Since 1996, Water Utilities crews have been replacing existing meters with AMR meters.
The possible criminal activity stems from increased instances of apparent tampering. Tampering with a water meter is a criminal offense, which could result in up to a $100 fine or termination of service.
“People have cut the AMR cable that connects the meter lid to the water meter, possibly thinking that it will disable the meter,” said Kristi Vestweber, Customer Service Manager. “Cutting the cable or damaging the meter does not prevent it from being read.”
Reporters are invited to accompany crews that are installing new water meters. Please contact Angela Cato to schedule day and time.
About 55,000 of Wichita’s 140,000 water customers will have AMR meters by the end of 2008. The City plans to install 15,000 new meters each year, primarily through meter replacements and new home construction. There is no additional charge for AMR meters. For more information, visit AMR meters and Frequently Asked Questions.
http://www.wichita.gov/CityOffices/WaterAndSewer/AMRFAQ.htm
BlueJay,
You don’t want to be my enemy.
For someone who gets his panties in a wad when I make comments to you about using manipulations, you shouldn’t then be making such proclomations of me being your enemy.
Bj I called you no name. I did have several in mind. You are only a hero in your own mind. I am around teenagers all of the time and they don’t make the remarks you tell us your son makes.
‘Hi will you still be my friend if you know I am bi?’
Idiot. There I did call you a name.
I’m sorry Nathan, but I cannot take you seriously.
If I’m wrong, you go ahead and correct me.
That is the difference between such as you and me. I will ask before I assign as fact.
My understanding of you is that your mother raised you while your dad was away at sea.
Then, dad came back, married well, and you have a new mom. Who you have lately taken to calling mom.
Even though earlier you called her by her first name.
You can get on to me all you like Nathan as to abortion or whatever.
But my take, at least in reading here, is that you yourself believe in disposable people.
As meets your ends.
Now I don’t like taking this personal attack direction. But I give back what I am given.
You are ashamed of your own mother?
Palin and Librarian >>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAXaJ-SHo8
I am your enemy Nathan.
Have some fun and tell me what you are going to do about it.
BlueJay,
What does any of that have to do with your continued ignorance on what actually happened between Palin as Mayor and the librarian?
I must have missed where I have given you anything here other than the facts regarding what actually happened and has been said.
If you are really interested in talking about my family and upbringing, then be man enough to meet me in person to do so.
BlueJay,
You are not my enemy. Simply because in your wierd mind you think I am yours doesn’t mean that thoughts are reciprocated.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccains-5000-makeup-will_n_128973.html
Will John’s $5K make-up make Germ think any the less of him? Of course not. She/It doesn’t think; such is against her/it’s principles.
But, let’s not forget that Germ’s education came from us tax payers who work for a living… It is so funny how people who suck off of the tit of the government, so easily forget that… If Germ’s business fails, let’s bail her out, she would never want that – yeah, right!
“Your small mindedness ”
Your words okobserver.
Pit them against….
“Bj I called you no name.”
“BJ” is me to you am I correct?
I’ll hit back.
By definition, conservative thinking is limited thinking.
AMPLY demonstrated by con posters here.
“BlueJay,
You are not my enemy. Simply because in your wierd mind you think I am yours doesn’t mean that thoughts are reciprocated.”
I’ll take you at your actions on this forum Nathan.
Steven,
The sad thing is that you liberals don’t seem to get the difference.
Edwards was making a big deal out of being a man of the people and playing down his wealth.
Republicans don’t care. We could care less if Edwards is paying a million dollars for a haircut.
You just don’t get to act like you are all modest and just a man of the people when you do.
I don’t care that McCain pays 5500 dollars for a make up job.
Now if McCain starts acting like he isn’t well off and he is just a working class kind of man of the people guy like Edwards did… well, come back and talk then.
BlueJay,
As clearly made evident here, facts don’t seem to mean much to you.
Whatever sick twisted little thought you have in your mind is stuck there no matter how wrong it might be.
Good night.
When you feel like you are man enough to talk to me in person, let me know.
“If you are really interested in talking about my family and upbringing, then be man enough to meet me in person to do so.’
You’d bring your gun and your eager desire to use it Nathan.
And I will be honest. I find you scary. As many posters here do.
I am content to take you on here. It is too bad for you that the facts and your own posts work against you.
Good night.
Looks like somebody hauled Granny away from her puter…. She must have forgotten what time it is LOL
Just like she FORGETS conveniently having to admit that Obama never said HE was “the one America is waiting for….”
Dumb wench!! Alzheimers, look out!!
Nathan, you should check out You Tube link above… Then, SHUT UP about it, since you have been lying about it before….
GRANNY —- Here’s your PROOF!!! From Super Tuesday speech in Chicago — I think even YOUR attention span is long enough for this >>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=molWTfv8TYw
NOW, do you still want to keep up with your LIES???
He DID say “WE are the ones we have been waiting for”
Here ya go Granny…. AND — I was wrong… the conversation was between me and Nathan…. YOU sort of jumped in the middle of it…. However, I proved that statement wrong NOW — nathan linked to the super Tuesday speech THEN….. And had to have SEEN it, since you were injecting your sorry butt into an ongoing conversaion….
And yet, tonite, you REPEAT the LIE??? Yea, you DO need some memory work….
And IF I thought you were really having memory problems, I might feel some sense of pity… I am not convinced of that yet… So, I still call BS on your CRAP!!
Oh yea, here’s a copy/paste of where you jumped into the middle of an ongoing conversation…. Sorta like a mommy would do to break up a fight her little boy got into….
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okobserver
Posted September 13, 2008 at 10:46 pm | Permalink
Chas I have never agreed with Cosmos. Do I get a prize or is this a one man contest?
Chas
Posted September 13, 2008 at 10:50 pm | Permalink
So, THIS is an authentic news item?? Looks like political diatribe from RUSH’S Brother!!
He is a bigger idiot that Brother Rush!!
“Palin’s authenticity vs. Obama’s fleeting charisma
Posted: September 12, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008
“Many Democrats, including Joe Biden himself, are second-guessing Barack Obama’s selection of Biden, but I have to wonder how many are having even greater misgivings about Obama leading the ticket.”
This would be funny, if it wasnt such a LIE on the part of the Reich wing Propagandists >>>>
“When you look at Palin, you don’t get the idea that she believes she is superior to other human beings or “the one we’ve been waiting for.””
CAN ANYBODY ON THE RIGHT LINK TO WHERE OBAMA SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THIS LIE OF A LINE THAT HE IS “the one we’ve been waiting for.” ???
Now, I said I was WRONG…. about that item from Sept. 13…. But I am NOT wrong about what you tried to pull upthread… Your apology is not necessary…
But, sometimes garlic helps out on that wild taste of CROW meat!!! ROFL
ONE MORE TIME — Just for Nathan, who has NEVER heard anything about this librarian issue… or so he says LOL >>>>
Palin and Librarian >>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAXaJ-SHo8
And now,
Good night; good luck, and God bless —-
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Even the Liars and the Lies they spin here daily!!
So mote it be!!
Jesus was a liberal.
Jesus was a liberal?
hehehehe
Please enlighten us more with your understanding of Jesus.
Do you believe in God? Are you an agnostic, atheist or deist? I’m just wondering how much credibiity to give to your statements concerning Jesus.
We know you think he was a liberal, do you think he is the resurrected son of God? Do you believe Him to be our Savior, or merely a prophet? Or neither?
I think you use His name merely to poke at the fundies. I think you don’t have any rational thoughts concerning Christianity one way or another.