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		<title>By: San Diego Hotel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-450199</link>
		<dc:creator>San Diego Hotel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We find snip and check in, just as Democrats kicks off. Not Both parties but the Hollywood of snip and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We find snip and check in, just as Democrats kicks off. Not Both parties but the Hollywood of snip and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431461</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>outlander posted September 24, 2008 at 6:29 am

Anthony Watts’ site is not a reliable source for data analysis.

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On the contrary, Watts’ site is a reliable site that will even admit when it makes a mistake. He is very interested in standards and reaching the truth.
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So you read these 2 links, and you &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; trust Watts&#039; data analysis?

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that 

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/how-not-to-analyze-data-part-3/ 

Well, whatever. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outlander posted September 24, 2008 at 6:29 am</p>
<p>Anthony Watts’ site is not a reliable source for data analysis.</p>
<p>—————-</p>
<p>On the contrary, Watts’ site is a reliable site that will even admit when it makes a mistake. He is very interested in standards and reaching the truth.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>So you read these 2 links, and you <i>still</i> trust Watts&#8217; data analysis?</p>
<p><a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/how-not-to-analyze-data-part-3/" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/how-not-to-analyze-data-part-3/</a> </p>
<p>Well, whatever. . .</p>
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		<title>By: MaxGrobnik</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431287</link>
		<dc:creator>MaxGrobnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Chas snuck back in late after hours.

Too embarassed to show up soon.

You really f&#039;cked up here Chas.  Go back to your corner now until dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Chas snuck back in late after hours.</p>
<p>Too embarassed to show up soon.</p>
<p>You really f&#8217;cked up here Chas.  Go back to your corner now until dark.</p>
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		<title>By: outlander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431127</link>
		<dc:creator>outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony Watts’ site is not a reliable source for data analysis.

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On the contrary, Watts&#039; site is a reliable site that will even admit when it makes a mistake. He is very interested in standards and reaching the truth. Watts has been visiting the various NOAA reporting stations finding some pretty incredible conditions that would make the data unreliable. 

Speaking of reliable sourcing Cosmos, I will remind you of your providing us links to dailykos and huffingtonpost. Seems reliability has little to do with your sourcing choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony Watts’ site is not a reliable source for data analysis.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>On the contrary, Watts&#8217; site is a reliable site that will even admit when it makes a mistake. He is very interested in standards and reaching the truth. Watts has been visiting the various NOAA reporting stations finding some pretty incredible conditions that would make the data unreliable. </p>
<p>Speaking of reliable sourcing Cosmos, I will remind you of your providing us links to dailykos and huffingtonpost. Seems reliability has little to do with your sourcing choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431110</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AmWay  ---  Looks  to  me  like  YOU  are  the  one  living  in  some  other  world....   seems  like  LOTS  of  folks  have heard  that  old  phrase  for  MANY  years....  

Read it  and  WEEP    Geeeenyus!!!   ROFL!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmWay  &#8212;  Looks  to  me  like  YOU  are  the  one  living  in  some  other  world&#8230;.   seems  like  LOTS  of  folks  have heard  that  old  phrase  for  MANY  years&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Read it  and  WEEP    Geeeenyus!!!   ROFL!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431108</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And   because  one of  the  Oldest  teams (Cubs)  won  their  Division  and  one of  the  Newer  teams  also  won  THEIR  Division...   ONE  MORE  TIME....   tv - radio  with  pictures....   Take  me out  to  the  Ball  Game   ---  New York World&#039;s  Fair  Style....  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  READ IT  GOOD  AMWAY!!!!

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-788635/When-TV-Came-to-the.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And   because  one of  the  Oldest  teams (Cubs)  won  their  Division  and  one of  the  Newer  teams  also  won  THEIR  Division&#8230;   ONE  MORE  TIME&#8230;.   tv &#8211; radio  with  pictures&#8230;.   Take  me out  to  the  Ball  Game   &#8212;  New York World&#8217;s  Fair  Style&#8230;.  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  READ IT  GOOD  AMWAY!!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-788635/When-TV-Came-to-the.html" rel="nofollow">http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-788635/When-TV-Came-to-the.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431105</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummmm   AmWay????   You  so  irrationally  attacked  my  statement  of  &quot;TV -- Radio with Pictures&quot;    Too  damned  bad  that  you  never  heard the  phrase...  As  I  said  much  earlier,  I heard it  a  LOT  growing  up  in  Wichita...  and  from  my  father&#039;s  relations  in  Pennsylvania...  and  from many other  adults....  After  all,  when I  was  born,  commercial  TV  was  still in  its  infancy....   not  even out of  diapers!!  WELL,  A$$Hole.....   READ  THIS,   GENIUS!!!!

http://prodnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=54&amp;Itemid=9

Totally  amazing  what  one  little  line  in  Google  will  do....   not  to mention  it  might  have  kept  you  from  continuing to be  the  ever LYING   BASTARD  you  normally  are!!!

I  know  you  wont  bother  with  an  apology....  HOWEVER,   I  do  think you  might have  lost  what  remnant of  credibility  you  MIGHT  have had  on  this  Blog....   I  suggest you   think  TWICE  before  you  come  attacking  me  again,   A$$HOLE!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmm   AmWay????   You  so  irrationally  attacked  my  statement  of  &#8220;TV &#8212; Radio with Pictures&#8221;    Too  damned  bad  that  you  never  heard the  phrase&#8230;  As  I  said  much  earlier,  I heard it  a  LOT  growing  up  in  Wichita&#8230;  and  from  my  father&#8217;s  relations  in  Pennsylvania&#8230;  and  from many other  adults&#8230;.  After  all,  when I  was  born,  commercial  TV  was  still in  its  infancy&#8230;.   not  even out of  diapers!!  WELL,  A$$Hole&#8230;..   READ  THIS,   GENIUS!!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://prodnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=54&amp;Itemid=9" rel="nofollow">http://prodnation.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=54&amp;Itemid=9</a></p>
<p>Totally  amazing  what  one  little  line  in  Google  will  do&#8230;.   not  to mention  it  might  have  kept  you  from  continuing to be  the  ever LYING   BASTARD  you  normally  are!!!</p>
<p>I  know  you  wont  bother  with  an  apology&#8230;.  HOWEVER,   I  do  think you  might have  lost  what  remnant of  credibility  you  MIGHT  have had  on  this  Blog&#8230;.   I  suggest you   think  TWICE  before  you  come  attacking  me  again,   A$$HOLE!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431099</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good  night;  Good luck;  God bless   ----
Whatever you conceive God to be!!

Blessings  ALL!!

Even to the  Blog  Mafia and Troll Brigade!!

So mote it be!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good  night;  Good luck;  God bless   &#8212;-<br />
Whatever you conceive God to be!!</p>
<p>Blessings  ALL!!</p>
<p>Even to the  Blog  Mafia and Troll Brigade!!</p>
<p>So mote it be!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431092</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wasilla Library Issue  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wasilla Library Issue  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431090</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Multi-nic&#039;d Regular&lt;/b&gt; posted September 24, 2008 at 12:02 am

&quot;N O 

O N E 

C A R E S&quot;
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Republicans, like mult-nic&#039;d &quot;Kansas Values&quot;(sic) Regular, DO NOT CARE if their VP candidate uses LIES to advocate (very flawed) policies.

WHY is that. . .?
WHY are Republicans unable to advocate their policies with facts?

http://thomas.loc.gov  Bill number S.2758

&quot;(e) Special Areas-

(1) DESIGNATION-

(A) IN GENERAL- The Secretary, after consultation with the State of Alaska, the North Slope Borough, Alaska, and the City of Kaktovik, Alaska, may designate &lt;b&gt;not more than 45,000 acres&lt;/b&gt; of the Coastal Plain as a special area if the Secretary determines that the special area would be of such unique character and interest as to require special management and regulatory protection.
...

SEC. 4. LEASE SALES.
(d) Acreage Minimum in First Sale- For the first lease sale under this Act, the Secretary shall offer for lease those tracts the Secretary considers to have the greatest potential for the discovery of hydrocarbons, taking into consideration nominations received pursuant to subsection (b)(1), but in no case less than &lt;b&gt;200,000 acres&lt;/b&gt;.
...

SEC. 7. COASTAL PLAIN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
(3) ensure that the &lt;b&gt;maximum surface acreage covered&lt;/b&gt; in connection with the leasing program by &lt;b&gt;production and support facilities&lt;/b&gt;, including airstrips and any areas covered by gravel berms or piers for support of pipelines, does not exceed &lt;b&gt;2,000 acres&lt;/b&gt; on the Coastal Plain.&quot;
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Gravel roads and gravel mines are not included in the &quot;maximum surface acreage covered&quot;.

http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4 
&quot;According to the U.S. Geological Survey, possible oil reserves may be located in many small accumulations in complex geological formations, rather than in one giant field as was discovered at Prudhoe Bay. Consequently, development in the 1002 Area could likely require a &lt;b&gt;large number of small production sites spread across the Refuge landscape, connected by an infrastructure of roads, pipelines, power plants, processing facilities, loading docks, dormitories, airstrips, gravel pits, utility lines and landfills.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Multi-nic&#8217;d Regular</b> posted September 24, 2008 at 12:02 am</p>
<p>&#8220;N O </p>
<p>O N E </p>
<p>C A R E S&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Republicans, like mult-nic&#8217;d &#8220;Kansas Values&#8221;(sic) Regular, DO NOT CARE if their VP candidate uses LIES to advocate (very flawed) policies.</p>
<p>WHY is that. . .?<br />
WHY are Republicans unable to advocate their policies with facts?</p>
<p><a href="http://thomas.loc.gov" rel="nofollow">http://thomas.loc.gov</a>  Bill number S.2758</p>
<p>&#8220;(e) Special Areas-</p>
<p>(1) DESIGNATION-</p>
<p>(A) IN GENERAL- The Secretary, after consultation with the State of Alaska, the North Slope Borough, Alaska, and the City of Kaktovik, Alaska, may designate <b>not more than 45,000 acres</b> of the Coastal Plain as a special area if the Secretary determines that the special area would be of such unique character and interest as to require special management and regulatory protection.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>SEC. 4. LEASE SALES.<br />
(d) Acreage Minimum in First Sale- For the first lease sale under this Act, the Secretary shall offer for lease those tracts the Secretary considers to have the greatest potential for the discovery of hydrocarbons, taking into consideration nominations received pursuant to subsection (b)(1), but in no case less than <b>200,000 acres</b>.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>SEC. 7. COASTAL PLAIN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.<br />
(3) ensure that the <b>maximum surface acreage covered</b> in connection with the leasing program by <b>production and support facilities</b>, including airstrips and any areas covered by gravel berms or piers for support of pipelines, does not exceed <b>2,000 acres</b> on the Coastal Plain.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Gravel roads and gravel mines are not included in the &#8220;maximum surface acreage covered&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm#section4</a><br />
&#8220;According to the U.S. Geological Survey, possible oil reserves may be located in many small accumulations in complex geological formations, rather than in one giant field as was discovered at Prudhoe Bay. Consequently, development in the 1002 Area could likely require a <b>large number of small production sites spread across the Refuge landscape, connected by an infrastructure of roads, pipelines, power plants, processing facilities, loading docks, dormitories, airstrips, gravel pits, utility lines and landfills.</b>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431088</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cosmos = psychopath.

cosmos has posted this 2000 acre thing about 25 times now

and guess what?


N O   


O N E 


C A R E S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cosmos = psychopath.</p>
<p>cosmos has posted this 2000 acre thing about 25 times now</p>
<p>and guess what?</p>
<p>N O   </p>
<p>O N E </p>
<p>C A R E S</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431086</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas posted September 23, 2008 at 11:30 pm

&quot;Palin:

Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester

North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study

University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism

Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester

University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism&quot;
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You&#039;d think that someone with a &quot;journalism&quot; degree would be able to research how many acres Congress would open in the Arctic Refuge.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/427xjuoj.asp
“One of the pieces of a solution is allowing &lt;b&gt;exploration&lt;/b&gt; on that &lt;b&gt;little 2,000 acre plot&lt;/b&gt; of land out of the 20 million acres up there in the coastal plain.”
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&quot;plot&quot; = an area (contiguous, singular)

The 2,000-acre limit on &quot;production facilities&quot; is not contiguous.

http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas posted September 23, 2008 at 11:30 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Palin:</p>
<p>Hawaii Pacific University &#8211; 1 semester</p>
<p>North Idaho College &#8211; 2 semesters &#8211; general study</p>
<p>University of Idaho &#8211; 2 semesters &#8211; journalism</p>
<p>Matanuska-Susitna College &#8211; 1 semester</p>
<p>University of Idaho &#8211; 3 semesters &#8211; B.A. in journalism&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think that someone with a &#8220;journalism&#8221; degree would be able to research how many acres Congress would open in the Arctic Refuge.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/427xjuoj.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/427xjuoj.asp</a><br />
“One of the pieces of a solution is allowing <b>exploration</b> on that <b>little 2,000 acre plot</b> of land out of the 20 million acres up there in the coastal plain.”<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>&#8220;plot&#8221; = an area (contiguous, singular)</p>
<p>The 2,000-acre limit on &#8220;production facilities&#8221; is not contiguous.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.inforain.org/Northslope/anwr_3.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: American</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431083</link>
		<dc:creator>American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FBI Investigating Potential Fraud by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman, AIG

Tuesday, September 23, 2008

WASHINGTON —  The FBI is investigating four major U.S. financial institutions whose collapse helped trigger a $700 billion bailout plan by the Bush administration, The Associated Press has learned.

Two law enforcement officials said Tuesday the FBI is looking at potential fraud by mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and insurer American International Group Inc. Additionally, a senior law enforcement official said Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. also is under investigation.

The inquiries will focus on the financial institutions and the individuals that ran them, the senior law enforcement official said.

The law enforcement officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigations are ongoing and are in the very early stages.

Officials said the new inquiries bring to 26 the number of corporate lenders under investigation over the past year.

Spokesmen for AIG, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did not immediately return calls for comment Tuesday evening. A Lehman spokesman did not have an immediate comment.

Just last week, FBI Director Robert Mueller put the number of large financial firms under investigation at 24. He did not name any of the companies under investigation but said the FBI also was looking at whether any of them have misrepresented their assets.

Over the past year as the housing market cratered, the FBI has opened a wide-ranging probe of companies across the financial services industry, from mortgage lenders to investment banks that bundle home loans into securities sold to investors. Mueller has previously said the FBI&#039;s hunt for culprits in the nation&#039;s subprime mortgage crisis focused on accounting fraud, insider trading, and failure to disclose the value of mortgage-related securities and other investments.

The investigations revealed Tuesday come as lawmakers began considering whether to approve emergency legislation that would give the government broad power to buy up devalued assets from troubled financial firms.

The bailout proposed by the Bush administration is aimed at helping unlock credit and stabilize badly shaken markets in the United States and around the globe.

In the past two weeks, the government has taken over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the country&#039;s two biggest mortgage companies, with a bailout plan that could require the Treasury Department to put up as much as $100 billion for each of them over time if needed to keep them afloat as mortgage losses mount.

Last week, the Federal Reserve provided an emergency $85 billion loan to AIG, which teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. Lehman Brothers was forced to file for bankruptcy after attempts to engineer a private rescue fell apart. All the companies were laid low from bad bets on complex mortgage-related securities.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke made the joint decision last week that the only way to stop the carnage was to deal with the root cause of all the troubles, billions of dollars of bad mortgage debt sitting on the books of major financial companies. This debt has triggered the worst credit crisis in decades, causing credit markets to essentially freeze up despite the fact that the Fed joined with major central banks around the world to pump billions of dollars of reserves into the financial system.

Additionally, the FBI is investigating failed bank IndyMac Bancorp Inc. for possible fraud. Countrywide Financial Corp., formerly the nation&#039;s largest mortgage lender and now owned by Bank of America Corp., is also under scrutiny.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426783,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FBI Investigating Potential Fraud by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman, AIG</p>
<p>Tuesday, September 23, 2008</p>
<p>WASHINGTON —  The FBI is investigating four major U.S. financial institutions whose collapse helped trigger a $700 billion bailout plan by the Bush administration, The Associated Press has learned.</p>
<p>Two law enforcement officials said Tuesday the FBI is looking at potential fraud by mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and insurer American International Group Inc. Additionally, a senior law enforcement official said Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. also is under investigation.</p>
<p>The inquiries will focus on the financial institutions and the individuals that ran them, the senior law enforcement official said.</p>
<p>The law enforcement officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigations are ongoing and are in the very early stages.</p>
<p>Officials said the new inquiries bring to 26 the number of corporate lenders under investigation over the past year.</p>
<p>Spokesmen for AIG, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did not immediately return calls for comment Tuesday evening. A Lehman spokesman did not have an immediate comment.</p>
<p>Just last week, FBI Director Robert Mueller put the number of large financial firms under investigation at 24. He did not name any of the companies under investigation but said the FBI also was looking at whether any of them have misrepresented their assets.</p>
<p>Over the past year as the housing market cratered, the FBI has opened a wide-ranging probe of companies across the financial services industry, from mortgage lenders to investment banks that bundle home loans into securities sold to investors. Mueller has previously said the FBI&#8217;s hunt for culprits in the nation&#8217;s subprime mortgage crisis focused on accounting fraud, insider trading, and failure to disclose the value of mortgage-related securities and other investments.</p>
<p>The investigations revealed Tuesday come as lawmakers began considering whether to approve emergency legislation that would give the government broad power to buy up devalued assets from troubled financial firms.</p>
<p>The bailout proposed by the Bush administration is aimed at helping unlock credit and stabilize badly shaken markets in the United States and around the globe.</p>
<p>In the past two weeks, the government has taken over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the country&#8217;s two biggest mortgage companies, with a bailout plan that could require the Treasury Department to put up as much as $100 billion for each of them over time if needed to keep them afloat as mortgage losses mount.</p>
<p>Last week, the Federal Reserve provided an emergency $85 billion loan to AIG, which teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. Lehman Brothers was forced to file for bankruptcy after attempts to engineer a private rescue fell apart. All the companies were laid low from bad bets on complex mortgage-related securities.</p>
<p>Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke made the joint decision last week that the only way to stop the carnage was to deal with the root cause of all the troubles, billions of dollars of bad mortgage debt sitting on the books of major financial companies. This debt has triggered the worst credit crisis in decades, causing credit markets to essentially freeze up despite the fact that the Fed joined with major central banks around the world to pump billions of dollars of reserves into the financial system.</p>
<p>Additionally, the FBI is investigating failed bank IndyMac Bancorp Inc. for possible fraud. Countrywide Financial Corp., formerly the nation&#8217;s largest mortgage lender and now owned by Bank of America Corp., is also under scrutiny.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426783,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426783,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431082</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year.

Let&#039;s look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job:

Obama:

Occidental College - Two years.

Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.

Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Biden:

University of Delaware - B.A. in history and 

B.A. in political science.

Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)


vs.


McCain:

United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899!!  Meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class!!!

Palin:

Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester

North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study

University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism

Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester

University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job:</p>
<p>Obama:</p>
<p>Occidental College &#8211; Two years.</p>
<p>Columbia University &#8211; B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.</p>
<p>Harvard &#8211; Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude</p>
<p>Biden:</p>
<p>University of Delaware &#8211; B.A. in history and </p>
<p>B.A. in political science.</p>
<p>Syracuse University College of Law &#8211; Juris Doctor (J.D.)</p>
<p>vs.</p>
<p>McCain:</p>
<p>United States Naval Academy &#8211; Class rank 894 out of 899!!  Meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class!!!</p>
<p>Palin:</p>
<p>Hawaii Pacific University &#8211; 1 semester</p>
<p>North Idaho College &#8211; 2 semesters &#8211; general study</p>
<p>University of Idaho &#8211; 2 semesters &#8211; journalism</p>
<p>Matanuska-Susitna College &#8211; 1 semester</p>
<p>University of Idaho &#8211; 3 semesters &#8211; B.A. in journalism</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431080</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>outlander,

Anthony Watts&#039; site is not a reliable source for data analysis.

For example, Watts directly compared anomaly data sets that use DIFFERENT reference periods, WITHOUT adjusting for the differences.

&#039;What’s Up With That?&#039;
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that/

Some more examples,

&#039;How Not to Analyze Data, part 3&#039;
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/how-not-to-analyze-data-part-3/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outlander,</p>
<p>Anthony Watts&#8217; site is not a reliable source for data analysis.</p>
<p>For example, Watts directly compared anomaly data sets that use DIFFERENT reference periods, WITHOUT adjusting for the differences.</p>
<p>&#8216;What’s Up With That?&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that/" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/whats-up-with-that/</a></p>
<p>Some more examples,</p>
<p>&#8216;How Not to Analyze Data, part 3&#8242;<br />
<a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/how-not-to-analyze-data-part-3/" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/how-not-to-analyze-data-part-3/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Freebird1971</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431076</link>
		<dc:creator>Freebird1971</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American_Way
Posted September 23, 2008 at 8:36 pm &#124; Permalink
And BJ/JR you also pointed out that you had your own Downs baby sucked out of the woman you knocked up, and went so far as to indicate the reason for that was your lack of commitment.

Sounds like a perfectly fine reason to commit murder to me. Your probably should have considered that with your son too. Had his skull smashed because you lack commitment. But it is the woman’s choice - not yours.

I assume the woman agreed,personally I don&#039;t agree with their choice but it was their&#039;s to make and their business,not yours or anybody elses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American_Way<br />
Posted September 23, 2008 at 8:36 pm | Permalink<br />
And BJ/JR you also pointed out that you had your own Downs baby sucked out of the woman you knocked up, and went so far as to indicate the reason for that was your lack of commitment.</p>
<p>Sounds like a perfectly fine reason to commit murder to me. Your probably should have considered that with your son too. Had his skull smashed because you lack commitment. But it is the woman’s choice &#8211; not yours.</p>
<p>I assume the woman agreed,personally I don&#8217;t agree with their choice but it was their&#8217;s to make and their business,not yours or anybody elses</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431075</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidB
Posted September 23, 2008 at 8:20 pm &#124; Permalink
And another bad report on Arctic ice coverage:

“It’s definitely a bad report. We did pick up little bit from last year, but this is over 30 percent below what used to be normal,” said Walt Meier, a research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado.”

“”It is the second lowest on record. … If anything, it is reinforcing the long-term trend. ”

“Less than 30 years ago, there would still be 7 million square kilometers or 2.5 million square miles of ice left at the end of an Arctic summer. That’s now dropped by almost 40 percent.”

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/23/arctic.ice/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidB<br />
Posted September 23, 2008 at 8:20 pm | Permalink<br />
And another bad report on Arctic ice coverage:</p>
<p>“It’s definitely a bad report. We did pick up little bit from last year, but this is over 30 percent below what used to be normal,” said Walt Meier, a research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado.”</p>
<p>“”It is the second lowest on record. … If anything, it is reinforcing the long-term trend. ”</p>
<p>“Less than 30 years ago, there would still be 7 million square kilometers or 2.5 million square miles of ice left at the end of an Arctic summer. That’s now dropped by almost 40 percent.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/23/arctic.ice/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/23/arctic.ice/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: outlander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431045</link>
		<dc:creator>outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news on artic ice coverage.  Up 9% this year.  (Cooler weather will do that) 

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/16/artic-sea-ice-melt-season-officially-over-up-over-9-from-last-year/#more-3085</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news on artic ice coverage.  Up 9% this year.  (Cooler weather will do that) </p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/16/artic-sea-ice-melt-season-officially-over-up-over-9-from-last-year/#more-3085" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/16/artic-sea-ice-melt-season-officially-over-up-over-9-from-last-year/#more-3085</a></p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431044</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, or &quot;American way&quot; could just argue with himself.


   &quot;Your probably should have considered that with your son too. Had his skull smashed because you lack commitment. But it is the woman’s choice - not yours.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, or &#8220;American way&#8221; could just argue with himself.</p>
<p>   &#8220;Your probably should have considered that with your son too. Had his skull smashed because you lack commitment. But it is the woman’s choice &#8211; not yours.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BlueJay</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431043</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post under your more familiar nic &quot;American way&quot; and I might entertain your spittle with a response.

   You are putting your own prejudice on the personal story of other human beings.

    Oh wait, that&#039;s what cons do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post under your more familiar nic &#8220;American way&#8221; and I might entertain your spittle with a response.</p>
<p>   You are putting your own prejudice on the personal story of other human beings.</p>
<p>    Oh wait, that&#8217;s what cons do.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431042</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joke:

A  biker is riding by the zoo, when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion&#039;s cage.
  
Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents.

The biker jumps off his bike, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch.
  
Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly
  
A New York Times reporter has watched the whole event.  The reporter says, &#039;Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing  I saw a man do in my whole life.&#039;
  
The biker replies, &#039;Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars.   I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.&#039;
  
The reporter says, &#039;Well,  I&#039;m a journalist from the New York Times,  and tomorrow&#039;s paper will have this story on the front page... So, what do you do for a living and what political affiliation do you have? &#039;
  
The biker replies, &#039;I&#039;m a U.S. Marine and a Republican.&#039; 
  
The following morning the biker buys The New York Times to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on front page: 
  
U.S. MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT
AND STEALS HIS LUNCH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joke:</p>
<p>A  biker is riding by the zoo, when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion&#8217;s cage.</p>
<p>Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents.</p>
<p>The biker jumps off his bike, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch.</p>
<p>Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly</p>
<p>A New York Times reporter has watched the whole event.  The reporter says, &#8216;Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing  I saw a man do in my whole life.&#8217;</p>
<p>The biker replies, &#8216;Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars.   I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.&#8217;</p>
<p>The reporter says, &#8216;Well,  I&#8217;m a journalist from the New York Times,  and tomorrow&#8217;s paper will have this story on the front page&#8230; So, what do you do for a living and what political affiliation do you have? &#8216;</p>
<p>The biker replies, &#8216;I&#8217;m a U.S. Marine and a Republican.&#8217; </p>
<p>The following morning the biker buys The New York Times to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on front page: </p>
<p>U.S. MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT<br />
AND STEALS HIS LUNCH</p>
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		<title>By: American_Way</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431034</link>
		<dc:creator>American_Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And BJ/JR you also pointed out that you had your own Downs baby sucked out of the woman you knocked up, and went so far as to indicate the reason for that was your lack of commitment.

Sounds like a perfectly fine reason to commit murder to me. Your probably should have considered that with your son too. Had his skull smashed because you lack commitment. But it is the woman&#039;s choice - not yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And BJ/JR you also pointed out that you had your own Downs baby sucked out of the woman you knocked up, and went so far as to indicate the reason for that was your lack of commitment.</p>
<p>Sounds like a perfectly fine reason to commit murder to me. Your probably should have considered that with your son too. Had his skull smashed because you lack commitment. But it is the woman&#8217;s choice &#8211; not yours.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431033</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the stance that she believes raped women must carry the rapist&#039;s child to term. Even if death of the mother is likely or even certain, no abortion should be permitted.

AHHH, no wonder she is not allowed to talk to the press...

... the people might learn something about her radical beliefs....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the stance that she believes raped women must carry the rapist&#8217;s child to term. Even if death of the mother is likely or even certain, no abortion should be permitted.</p>
<p>AHHH, no wonder she is not allowed to talk to the press&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; the people might learn something about her radical beliefs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431031</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,  JR,   what you  just  said  is  very,  very  similar  to  what  I  responded...  :-)

This has  been  a  thread of  Lies, upon Lies,  upon  Lies...  nearly  all  day  long!!

Good  luck  with  the  Blog  Mafia  tonite...  I  will  be in  and  out...   got  a  stack of  paper work on  my  desk....   Later!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,  JR,   what you  just  said  is  very,  very  similar  to  what  I  responded&#8230;  :-)</p>
<p>This has  been  a  thread of  Lies, upon Lies,  upon  Lies&#8230;  nearly  all  day  long!!</p>
<p>Good  luck  with  the  Blog  Mafia  tonite&#8230;  I  will  be in  and  out&#8230;   got  a  stack of  paper work on  my  desk&#8230;.   Later!!</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/09/open-thread-923-2/#comment-431028</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To paraphrase Will, You Can&#039;t fix Stupid!</description>
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